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What is krack alak in hardwareknocks listeners. I am Dan Favalley coming at you

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with the ever fantabulous Brian Taporek,
quality editor for Bleacher Report, co host

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of the NBA Podcast, and a
writer for the NBA at Large and also

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the Sixers over at Forbes. He
does a lot, he does it well.

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We I have tapped him. I
begged him to come on for the

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Atlantic Division look Ahead and he was
kind enough to oblige. So before we

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dive into that, we have to
ask the most important question of the session,

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Brian, how are you doing?
I am doing well, Dan.

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I appreciate you having me on as
always. I guess you knew. I'm

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the person who spent more thinking about
James Harden's contract option more than like anyone

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else not named Darryl Morey on the
planet, probably over the last month.

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So thank you, and I am
excited to dive in. It would look

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it was I had to subject you
to the torture of the Sixers. We've

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been talking about the Knicks back and
forth for forever, and then you're also

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kind of grandfathered into the Kyrie stuff
just because you traded your team the Sixers.

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Traded for James Harden, So it
was just like three of the five

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teams. The boxes were checked in
there like it had to be the Atlantic

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Division, right, Yeah, And
I will just hold my nose and talk

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about the Celtics that I will suffer
through that so as a quick refresher for

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everyone. The reason we're not going
fifty minutes on each team is because one

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free agency is almost here and this
is gonna be data as fuck. We

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will be longer, extensive deep guys
into each team after free agency. We

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just want to get a feel for
what's going on for every team, So

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these will be aim to be ten
minutes or less on each squad, just

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like we've done in the previous look
heads. I will go into alphabetical order,

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which is always a risky proposition because
I am known to get the alphabet

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wrong. And the first team up
in the Atlantic Division alphabetically is the New

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York I'm just kidding, it is
Boston Celtics, Brian told Porrex, favorite

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team I go through there. As
for anyone who's doing this first time,

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I'll run through their vitals really quickly. Notable non guarantees. There's Al Horford

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at nineteen point five million of his
twenty six point five millions guaranteed. I

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imagine they're going to guaranteed that.
That'd be shocking. That's really the only

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one that matters. There's Jawan Morgan
has a team option, and then Nick

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stowskis notable extension candidates, Jayalen Brown
is extension eligible and notable trade exceptions.

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They have that Evan Fourier one,
it's seventeen point one million, it expires

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on July eighteenth. They have a
one Hunt and Gomes one at six point

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nine million, which expires January nineteenth, and then the Dennis Shrewder won at

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five point nine million, which expires
s February tenth. They also have a

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Romeo Langford one for three point eight
million that expires Sebruary tenth. So they

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have a lot of like options with
their trade exceptions. Their best spending tool,

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if they choose to use it,
will be the miniml E. It'll

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take too much for them to ducks
to ducks to duck the luxury tax Apron

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and so Brian just heading in for
Boston, like, what are the general

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things you're thinking about needs, questions, priorities or whatever, and how they

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should approach. Yeah, I mean, you know, the conversation after they

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run to the finals was do they
need a point guard? Even though they

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got two wins away from winning the
finals with Marcus Smart as their point guard.

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But I guess that will be one
area of need in mind. Otherwise,

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like they're of any team in this
division, they're feeling pretty good about

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themselves, Like they don't have a
ton of major decisions to make this offseason.

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It's like who do we spend the
taxpayer men level on? And then

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otherwise we're just gonna basically run it
back with this same core. Most of

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our guys are young enough that you
can reasonably expect internal improvement to carry them

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even further. Like I think that
the biggest question is, like does Jalen

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Brown develop more of a ball handling
this summer? Or does Jason Tatum caninue

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to refine his shot selection this summer? Can Robert Williams stay healthy and rehab

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that knee this summer so he can
make it, you know, unscathed through

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a playoff run next year? Like
those are all far more important than like

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who do they spend six million dollars
on? For sure? And I think

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I thought I saw people say the
point guard criticism was overblown. I actually

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didn't think it was overblown. I
think the interpretation of it was exaggerated.

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No, anyone who's thinking they need
to go out and try to trade for

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like Chris Paul, like, no, that's not what they need. And

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as people pointed out, like I
mentioned, this name is too ambitious given

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the market, like at Tias Jones. They need someone on that level,

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and it doesn't matter if he wouldn't
play in crunch time, because the first

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like forty three to forty six minutes
of the game matter anyway, and you

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put yourself in a position where if
you can take care of your possessions in

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a more efficient fashion, let's just
say, where you're not letting the shakalk

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run all the time, where you're
not committing all these turnovers, someone who's

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just more of a game manager.
I think Marcus Martin Jason Tatum are fantastic

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passers, especially Tatum now at this
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a game manager and it's not something
you don't even need to go nuclear,

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although, like you know, they
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to get up one of your core
guys for it. But I do think

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even a point guard you could play
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would go a long way for them
if they can help just deliney eight touches

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the other thing that stands out,
and like their shooting percentages are okay,

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they need someone who feels like a
knockdown shooter that's not a star, Like

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it's not Jason Tatum's off the dribble
three's or Jalen Brown's spot of attempts like

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they need and you can't bank on
Marcus mart to like get super hot and

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he's improved, you shooting a lot
over the past two to three seasons,

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it just felt like over and you
want to be able to play that player

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in higher leverage moments where some people
might say, well that could be Peyton

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Pritchard or maybe we're still hoping for
Aroni Smith to be that She's like,

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well, those guys probably aren't playing
when it matters. And I think just

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in general, they just need an
eighth guy. Like they're top seven,

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it's like they're really good. So
if you find an eighth guy, again,

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maybe he's not playing in the high
leverage moments, but if you're just

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extending your rotation that much, especially
to the point when you get in the

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playoffs where there's just eight guys you
could rely on. Do I think that's

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out there for the miniml e.
They're appealing enough to where if the money's

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equal, I would assume teams would
choose them. But I'm looking at these

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trade exceptions, man, Like the
N fourtyday one is massive, and they

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have like a bunch of medium sized
ones, So it's not outside the realm

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of possibility that they could make an
impact move without trading one of their core

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guys, like a you know,
Derek White is sort of my cutoff,

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Like you're not trading. I'm sure
you would trade Horford in the right deal.

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I don't think you know Tatum and
Tatum's as untouchables it gets, but

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like you'll need to move a Smart
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White, right, Yeah, I
mean you look at the market outside of

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the top few guys, especially a
guard is just pretty barren unless I mean,

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who knows Kyrie Irving, who will
talk about shortly? Maybe he wants

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a Boston thirty million dollars discounted,
a point guard and a high leverage shooter.

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Can't do much better than Kyrie on
the market, assuming that is off

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the table. Tayas Jones a great
shout. I mean, like Ricky Rubio

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would be that table setting point guard, but he's not the shooter that you

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want. I guess if Patty Mills
opts out, that's a possibi. Like

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if that's just completely crater, my
guess is he's not like Thyash Jones.

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I don't know if he gets as
much as Tyas Jones, my guess he's

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he'll be too expensive. But Delon
Wright, Yeah, yeah, I mean

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I wonder if like smart, right
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or EXPI that's a word. Yeah, Like Dante DiVincenzo. I don't think

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you're gonna pry out of Sacramento for
six million because he's restricted, like they

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would hopefully. I like it.
Rubio feels like the right answer because I

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imagine he'll go. He's not going
for more than the MINIMLI when he's probably

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not playing for at least half season. Doesn't give you the shooting. But

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again, someone who can be the
I don't want to I'm not trying to

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be condescending when I put it this
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on offense, like when you look
in the half court, like, that's

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just it feels like that's what they
need. And if you're banking on Tatum

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and Smart to just make leaps and
maybe even Brown there a little bit,

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that's fine, maybe even White a
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see them trying to address it.
Do any like other free agent targets or

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even trade targets bring to mind to
you for that would be good fits for

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this team. Yeah, you mentioned
knockdown shooter, so I immediately think Malik

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Monk if he's willing to settle for
because I mean, he went ring chasing

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last year for a minimum. So
if he can get even some portion of

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the tax payment level or the whole
thing, that wouldn't help really with the

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ball handling, but he would be
that, you know, come flying around

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the screens type of shooter. Trade
target nuggets. Fans are gonna hate me

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because they're living fear. Yeah,
but Monte Morris, if they are really

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serious about just trimming salary, trying
to duck the tax, like, the

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problem is, I don't know what
Boston sends back, like is a future

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first enough for Monte Morris or do
you have to send like Pritchard Ernie Smith

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back. But I mean that that's
probably the best fit slash target they could

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acquire. I would do I would
do that in a heartbeat too, And

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I don't think the Nuggets should do
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to be like him or Will Barton
because they're dead set on ducking attacks and

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it probably makes more sense to be
Will Barton just because Monte is more valuable

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to them at this point, but
also his salary is Biggers were like you

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basically have to dump Monte Morris just
to duct the tacks as of this moment,

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and so there's like more wiggle room
with Barton salary if you wanted to

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take back a player like pretty sure
or somebody. But yeah, Monte Morris

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on the Celtics would be spectacular.
Yeah. I mean again, like the

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Boston right now, if they aren't
v team to be in the East looking

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across the landscape, like Milwaukee will
be back next year, Miami will be

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back, who knows about Brooklyn,
But like they can feel pretty good about

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where they are, so they don't
need to make any drastic moves this offseason,

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I would say, but yeah,
if they could, if they wiggle

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their way into Monte Morris, I'm
just gonna be miserable for a week.

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What DeVante Graham helped his team at
all? Oh that's interesting. I mean

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you can say know because I look
on your face and senuation. No,

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I mean, like, yes,
I don't know how much he moves there

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ceiling higher, but adding another good
rotation players certainly wouldn't hurt. And if

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you're not giving up a ton to
do it or anything of real value,

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like you've got the trade exception,
he fits in there. You know again,

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are you are you giving up Nie
Smith or Pritchard? Are you giving

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up a future? First? Like, I don't think New Orleans can realistically

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off ask for you know, like
a huge return on him. So that's

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an interesting call. I like that
I have at least one more name for

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you, and I'm less excited about
it. And it also just I don't

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know why it just vacated my mind
too. Oh here it is he would

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have to not be what he was
this past season. But Cameron Payne ah,

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yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's the question,

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right, And I guess we'll see
what happens with Phoenix, Like if they

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let eight and go, and you
know, some of those guys start to

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get a little nervous and they're looking
around and they're like, oh, this

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is not the situation we signed up
for here. We thought we were resigning

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with the title favorite. So I
figured would more be like they have to

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he might camera pay bten. He's
like, ask for a trade because again,

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you're not probably not getting a ton
back for him. No, I

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mean I would think that you would
just offload him if the Celtics were willing

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to use a trade exception would be
at this point, Yeah, yeah,

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because I mean, well, who
knows who's going to even own the team

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in three months, but the current
owner is certainly notoriously cheap. I have

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two names from the same team.
Okay, they're looking we know they have

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to dump other salary, and we'll
get to that in a second. But

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Derek Rose feels like he might.
I don't I'm talking about knockdown shooting.

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I'm just naming all these point guards
that aren't knocked down shooting. Sure,

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and then he's this kind of better, right, this guy's not a point

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guard and he's coming off foot surgery. Now, but Alec Burks, Yeah,

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it's like someone else who fit,
Like I mean, so many players

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fitting in their trade exceptions at this
point, let's be right. I mean

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that's the luxury. Like, I
don't know if they're going to end up

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using it or using the whole thing, because they're already over the tax line.

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And like I always say, like
the line of demarcation is like fifteen

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to twenty million over like, if
you're under that, the bill isn't like

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exorbitantly expensive, but once you get
into like the fifteen to twenty range,

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it starts piling up pretty quickly.
So I would be surprised if they take

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like a full seventeen million dollars salary
back. But neither of the guys you

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mentioned. I guess Derrick Rose is
close, but like Burke's as well,

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like ten to eleven million somewhere run
there. Yeah, he's in there.

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So I had thought too. It
turns out he makes too much. I

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thought I didn't realize he was getting
paid this much next season, But if

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they were trying to pay Brunson and
didn't want to pay Brunson and Spencer Dinwoody,

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I thought he's into the oven.
Four day trade exception. I can't

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confirm that he makes two and a
half million dollars more than the oven four

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trade exception. Oo wow, how
much of that is in bitcoin? I

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mean I would imagine all of it
at this point, right, So maybe

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does it? Does it count?
Like because it last fifty percent of value?

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So maybe he's only only ten million? Now? Yeah, I don't

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have this team, is I guess
I would say decidedly on interesting because they

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are so good and we don't think
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Do you see them offering an extension
or would you offer an extension to Jaylen

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Brown this summer? Yes? I
mean do you think I don't think he

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takes it? Right? I kind
of thought though, like once you get

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into the like the twenty percent raise
from where he's at, it's not that

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agregious for him to take it.
I guess if the thought is if he

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went on the market tomorrow, he
would just get or the whatever year,

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he's just gonna get the full boat, like it'll be a fullmat So they

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should absolutely offer it on the offense. So these signs it though, Yeah.

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I mean, if I'm if I'm
any agent right now, I'm telling

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my clients do not take an extension
before the new CBA kicks in, because

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we want to see what happens there
in case they make any changes, especially

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to the Supermax, like you know, because the current supermacs just didn't work

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as intended. And then also like
the new team V deals kicking in twenty

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five twenty six, so I would
he would try to agency the year before

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kicked in like one plus one,
right, It's just is he the type

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like would you say? I mean, that's so far down the line,

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but he was the only real like
extension candidate on the team that matters?

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Do I say that? And Grant
Williams is extension eligible as well too,

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Yeah, and he was pretty important
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not so much the finals, but
yeah, Martin, I were trying to

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figure out, like what a reasonable
extension is for him, and I think

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we landed at like twelve to fourteen
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I feel like that's right, And
fourteen might even be on the higher

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end because he doesn't feel like a
I'll say in every series player, I

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think you can get it. You
can play him all the time the regular

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season, but he doesn't feel like
in every series player, right. Yeah.

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Our whole thing was like, what
do they project him as long term?

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Like is he going to take over
as their starting power forward once Horford

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ages out slash leaves and play next
to Robert Williams? Or do you see

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him as this like energy guy off
the bench all the time, in which

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case you're probably less willing to pay
him eight figures annually. No, I'd

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agree with you there, So I
don't actually expect him or Jaylon Brown to

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get an extension. Yeah, I
think they'll. They will certainly try to

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offer it to jail In, and
I think he will, hopefully with the

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guidance of his agent, he will
look at the wider picture and say,

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no, thank you, I would
like my full amount of money because he

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took less than the max on his
current deal. So it's time to get

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Jayalen paid for real. Final question
on them, very very quickly. What's

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more likely they use one of their
trade exceptions that are worth more than the

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mini Emilie or they don't use their
minimli just like maybe their tax conscious and

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it's like, oh, we're not
No, they decided to be the Nuggets

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East, Like we're not going to
spend our tax bearer MLI God, for

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their sake, I mean, I
hate them, so I hope that's the

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case. But for their sake,
I hope they use it because they again,

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we're too wins away from the finals. This is not the time or

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two wins away from winning the finals, right, This is not the time

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to get cheap So I think it
is more likely that they use their trade

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exception and really just go all in
on this thing than cheap out, which

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is also just what I would do
if I was Brett. The next team

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the should be fun Brooklyn Nets.
Their key free agents include Kyrie I player

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option, Bruth Brown free agent,
they have full bird rights on him,

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Nick Claxton restricted full bird, Patty
Mills as a player option, he would

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be non bird, and then Marcus
Aldridge sneakily. I almost forgot that he

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played for them in the previous season, so he's an early bird. And

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then they have Blake Griffin, drag
Andre Drummond. Those guys were all non

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bird free agents. They have Kesseler
Edwards has a team option. I assume

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they will exercise that. If they
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a bow on top of what's already
been a ridiculous off season. Their most

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notable trade exceptions they have three point
two million left over from Spencer Dinwoody seven

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on July seventh, the DeAndre Jordan's
trade six point three million that expires August

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nineteenth. And then they have a
trade a TP from the James Harden trade.

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It's worth eleven point three million and
that expires on February tenth. Their

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best spending tool is a mini is
the miniml E. And look, we

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could go through their needs, which
I think needs to be like wings and

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two way players in general, but
like the Kyrie Irving situation, like what

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is the what is the most likely
outcome to this? And I will say

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I think it was. Kevin O'Connor
was on a podcast with Logan Murdoch and

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I'm summarizing here. He said that
Katie's frustrated with the front office because they

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haven't gone to enough length to understand
Kyrie. Now, I think the nets

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are very culpable and everything that's happened, I think then personally trying to grow

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a backbone all of a sudden is
hysterical because you handed your franchise over in

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twenty nineteen and why, Like,
it's too late if you get if you

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let Kyrie go, you're losing Kevin
Durant. But like, what else are

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they supposed to do? They've literally
given the keys to you and Kyrie.

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It's all just hilarious to me because
there's been like a weird rivalry between Nets

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folks and six Ers folks ever since
the hard and Trade went down, and

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I think we're like rooting for each
other's respective demise. And frankly, it's

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probably gonna happen to both teams,
but I figured it would happen to Philly

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before Brooklyn, not the other way
around. Like I can't blame Brooklyn for

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not wanting to go like five year
fully guaranteed max on Kyrie, given just

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everything surrounding him. I also can't
blame Kyrie for not wanting to take a

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short term prove a deal or like
if they're trying to get him to pick

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up his option and say, like, all right, prove we can rely

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on you this year, and we'll
give you the full amount of money next

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year. Because all it takes is
one injury and he just loses, you

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know, could be hundreds of millions
of dollars, Like it felt like bluffing

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for a while. I don't think
it's bluffing anymore, Like it does not.

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I don't know. I mean,
I would think if cooler heads would

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prevail, they'll do something like what's
probably gonna happen with James Harden, where

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you just I mean Harden's sake,
he's going to opt in and take a

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short term extension because him opting in, he can actually earn more money than

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he could as a free agent.
I think Kyrie, it makes sense for

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him financially to opt out and then
take maybe like a two plus one deal

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that would get him I was going
to mention that gets him into free agency.

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Won the TV money supposed to hit
again, right right, and he's

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young enough still that he could.
I mean, I don't know if he's

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gonna max at that age, but
like every I mean, like the starting

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contract is going to be like forty
million dollars for anyone with us, right

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yeah, at this point, But
I don't know. Man, Like,

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the more we hear this, and
like I feel like WOJ and Shams don't

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report stuff unless there's some real smoke
behind it, and for both of them

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to be like hinting at well,
now Kevin Durant's thinking about his future too.

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You know, you wrote a great
at br when all of this started,

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like a month ago, I think
when it was Christian Winfield of the

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New York Daily News who first reported, Like with people, by the way,

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shout out to Christian because people are
like, oh, why do you

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think that you know all this?
There's no way Kevin Durrett hasn't talked to

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the front office. And now other
people are coming out and saying the same

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thing. So shout out to Christian
Winfield, the New York Daily News.

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Yeah, and you know you were
writing like if they do this with Kyrie,

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they're at risk of losing KD as
well, which now seems to be

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the reality. So like, I
don't I still don't buy the whole,

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Like Kyrie is gonna opt out and
take thirty million less and play for the

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Lakers on the mini emil E like
that. I never say never fifteen plus

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million in salary this past year,
I know, I know, but like

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that they wouldn't have non Bird on
him next year either. I guess RUSS

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will be coming off their books when
I've gone on shows and they've asked me

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about it or I've seen people talk
about it like, oh, they'll just

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sign him, and it's like,
no, this if if he wants the

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actual deal, they'll be flexible in
summer. Technically, if Lebron doesn't sign

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anything, like, you have to
pay Lebron. So it's like, if

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you really want to be able to
pay Kyrie, like this is a three

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year thing that he's agreeing to so
that you can gain his full bird rights,

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unless again, you're he's opting in
and being traded, right, Yeah,

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So I think that's I'm gonna write
a column about it. I'm like,

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in the midst of writing a column. I think that the most logical

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option if Kyrie really does want out, pick up the option, you know,

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as a condition of like work with
me on an opt in and trade,

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and if the NTS say no,
you walk in thirty seven million dollars.

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You can make their wives hell for
a year and then you can bounce

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next summer. That's a good point. I expect it to be like a

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two plus one outcome. If not. If you're ask me to pick who

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who breaks first, I think it
will be the Nets because this isn't This

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is almost like the Clipper situation where
it's like you're not trading. It's the

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inverse of it. You're not trading
for Paul George. You're trading for Paul

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George and Kauai. Right, You're
not just getting rid of Kyrie. You'd

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be getting rid of Kyrie and Kiddy. I'd be fascinated by the Kyrie.

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Excuse me the Katie trade talks the
I find it funny that Dame is tweeting

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out a picture when players do this, I have no by the way,

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people were mad at me because they
made a joke about it on Twitter.

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I am all for this. I
do wonder how like that player's teammates feel

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that, no, they would probably
be involved in such a Kevin Durant like

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Shaden Sharp after Dave apparently wanted to
do. And more interestingly, though,

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like the people mentioned the Suns the
team that I was wondering if they could

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get involved in it, and I
think my answer is no. But if

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you're the Nets, you're rebuilding,
if you're trading Kevin Durant. At that

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point, can the Bucks use as
a primary anchor like Chris Middleton to suss

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in or attract other teams that might
send stuff back to the Nets. And

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look, if I'm Kevin Durant,
I want to play Milwaukee because Johannest attend

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to Coopo's fucking spectacular. But then
NETS also don't have to trade Kevin.

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I've like, at that point,
your reputations already damage enough, Like send

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Kevin Durant wherever the hell you want
at that point. But I don't know

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if Milwaukee could fee it would take
a team really wanting Chris Middleton of course.

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Yeah, I have not put too
much thought until like Kevin Durant trade

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scenarios, and I'm sure someone will
at BR at some point this week,

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So God blessed whoever has to write
that article. Like, I've seen people

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talk about Toronto as a bad at
least trappled together. An interesting offer Toronto

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would be Toronto and Phoenix or like
in Milwaukee were like my three favorites.

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Actually, i'd love him in Denver
two. Imagine, Yeah, you get

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like man, but you're right,
Like, is Brooklyn taking back Michael Porter

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Junior given the back issues as the
main return for Kevin Freak and Durant,

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No, I think you'd probably you
probably to give Jamal Murray might be the

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more likely and he's coming off in
it'd be Jamal Murray and Bones Highland and

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then every single pick that you can
offer, which is not many because you

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flipped a I think they can only
trade a twenty twenty nine pick because then't

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they just trade twenty seven one?
Yeah? So yeah, and that's gonna

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be the problem with a lot of
these contents that, like a lot of

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teams are now very restricted in which
picks they can offer. I get New

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Orleans would be interesting because they have
some of the Lakers picks left still and

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pick swaps, Like if things go
south with Zion Williams. I know he's

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like supposed to sign a max extension, but if he does not, or

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if things go south in those negotiations, can you trade? Would you trade

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Zion for Kevin Durant for the Pelicans
right now? Yes? You would?

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Yes, I don't know that I
would do it. Really. Let me

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pretend that Kevin Durant has hasn't had
his own health issues the past three years.

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Sure, but oh no, I
would do it. I would absolutely

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do it, all right, But
Zion Williamson and stuff though, like that's

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what we're talking about. Yeah,
I mean, it would have to be

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whatever filler So if it's like Zion
and Bi and like six picks, no,

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but if it's like Zion and DeVante
Graham and whatever else, I don't

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know. I guess they would have
to thrun all and tune is probably.

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I feel like this is gonna be
a few tile exercise because, like we

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said, we both expect Kyrie back. What are your biggest needs for the

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like, assuming Kyrie irving were let's
just assume Kyrie's back, because the whole

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tooculate, then that's future changes.
If he's not, what are you looking

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at for this team to do?
Yeah, I mean I think they need

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to to hell with the luxury tax. You've got to bring back ideally both

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Brown and Klaxon, because I think
both are super important both for their short

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and long term futures. Like if
you are concerned with things going south,

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like even if you could resign Kyrie
and you get them out of two plus

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one, like, there's no guarantee
this all doesn't come to a head next

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summer, so I think you need
to be planning ahead as well and trying

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to keep your good young players.
I mean, they've only got what,

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like, assuming Kyrie comes back,
they have eight players under contract right now,

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so they just need to like fill
out their roster with warm bodies.

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I agree with you. Wings are
going to be super important, just like

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for every other team. Do they
have like a wing? Right? Okay,

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there's the candidates are Kevin Durant,
which, okay, fine if you

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like Kevin Durant the wing, if
you want to say he's more of like

404
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,640
a combo foward like however you want
to find it. There's Kevin Durant.

405
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:22,279
Then there's Joe Harris, Bruce Brown. I know Rhodo World's death chart has

406
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:25,240
Ben Simmons listened at the three.
It's like that's what this team is.

407
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:29,720
Kyrie's there obviously, but like Ben
Simmons isn't a wing. Bruce Bound's not.

408
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:30,799
You can defend them, but he's
not a wing, like you know,

409
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,240
he's not used like a wing on
offense. They just they need that

410
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,160
like a you know, I don't
and those are available and scant supply to

411
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,119
again with and during this offseason,
but with a mini mL that's gonna be

412
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,759
tough to get. But they need
they just need wings. Yeah, I

413
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:51,240
mean what's wild about them is that
if if they smooth things out with Kyrie,

414
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,359
which is a big iff at this
point. You try it out Kevin

415
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,599
Durant, Kyrie Ben Simmons, and
any combination of Joe Harris, Seth Curry,

416
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,559
Patty Mills, Bruce Brown next season, that those lineups are gonna cook.

417
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,759
Like, I get why the Nets
are one of the title favorites right

418
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:10,039
now, but I would not in
my wildest dreams bet on them, especially

419
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,559
given what's happened over the last week, because I just feel like something is

420
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,000
going to go wrong. I don't
know what, I don't know when,

421
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:21,599
but I like, I just can't
see this sticking together through next June enough

422
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,039
for them to win a title.
Some of the names that sprung to mind

423
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,920
for me that I think they could
afford and would fit, and look,

424
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,480
they could also use some like let's
assume they bring back Claxton, they still

425
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,799
sort of mean like front Line Certainty
where it's easy Claxton and Dayron Sharp and

426
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:40,759
please don't let it be Blake driven
and the Marcus Haldred again. I don't

427
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,519
know if they do. Think they
can even bring back Andre Drummond, like

428
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:48,079
beyond he said, I remember you
got traded there and it was like you

429
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:51,279
know, I'm here. It's just
a rental they can't afford. Me.

430
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,559
I mean, do you do you
think he's getting more than the Mini mL

431
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:57,960
E but no problems. I don't
think the next told be the one team

432
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,680
that's spending that though, that makes
sense, yeah, Like, I don't

433
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,799
know. I mean, they have
to just round out their roster, and

434
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,519
I think the competition for wings is
going to be more competitive than for bigs.

435
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,640
Like I think you can find a
reasonable big on a min deal.

436
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,839
So I think they probably you know, whether they if they lose Drummond,

437
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,799
maybe they maybe they're the next stop
on the Dwight Howard Redemption Tour, like

438
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,400
JaVale McGee, Hassan white Side,
Dwayne Deadman, Like none of these names

439
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,759
are super sexy, but I mean
Dwayne Dedman would be great. Yeah,

440
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,160
yeah, So I think they probably
spend the MLI on a wing and just

441
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,519
go cheap with the third veteran big. Some of the names that's bring to

442
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,559
mind for me, and I think
most of these I would consider below Mini

443
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,440
MLI, except for the first one, which is Gary Harris. I don't

444
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640
know what he commands, but he
would be great for them. Looking at

445
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:45,839
God, they could use either of
the Martin brothers. I've said this for

446
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,200
a few teams now, and I'm
not looping them together, but they both

447
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,240
have the same sort of positional flexibility
on defense. Daniel House would be good.

448
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,599
And look, they need multiple wings
and so you probably need to hit

449
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:57,920
on some minimum. So it's like, are they a team that needs to

450
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:03,680
enter odney Hood territory? Abdel Nader? Those are names that they probably need

451
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,440
look at. Someone should take a
look at p J Dojer, depending on

452
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:11,440
how healthy he is coming off of
that ACL injury. I understand any nets

453
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,680
fans we're listening to, these are
not sexy names, and I wouldn't spend,

454
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:15,720
like I said, the Mini Emily
on both of them. But you

455
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,680
have to also look beyond the mini
mL E. If you could get Gary

456
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,559
Harris or even what is TJ.
Warren gonna get. I assume if it

457
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,440
only takes the mini mL E,
like Indiana will just resign him. And

458
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,160
I assume he would probably want as
much money as he could get. But

459
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,319
but who knows he would play like
a wing who can defend one on one

460
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,640
in Brooklyn like they will play a
lot. Yeah, yeah, I have

461
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:45,160
been running through I put non taxpayer
up on Saturday and I'm doing taxpayers tomorrows.

462
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,759
These are Sixers specific targets, but
you named a lot of the guys

463
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,079
that I had in mind, because
I you know, I think the Sixer's

464
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,319
biggest needed is wing. So if
for talking wings, Otto Porter Junior is

465
00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:00,480
another one, I would assume because
if like the Warriors are willing to give

466
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,960
him the mini Emily, he's probably
just staying there. But if not,

467
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:08,039
like if their tax bill is just
like, okay, we can only go

468
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,759
so far before we're just like we
cannot spend as much money and they have

469
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:18,119
to resign Looney and Karry Payton as
well, He's I think he probably does

470
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,799
get a full at least full mini
Emili. Yeah, I mean, I

471
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:27,119
love the Martin brothers. Gary Harris
is a good one. House is the

472
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:32,160
one. Like, he's probably my
number one guy. We'll get into Philly

473
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,160
later. But like, I would
think that he might not even get the

474
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,759
full Emily, but I think he
probably should. I don't know what Torrian

475
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,680
Prince gets because he's coming off a
bigger contract, so maybe he gets more

476
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,519
than the mini Emilly. But like
he's he sometimes feels like the idea of

477
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:52,319
Torrian Prince on defense is better than
Tory and Prince in practice like the shooting.

478
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,759
Sure, Like if you've got Bruce
Brown, Ben Simmons and Claxton,

479
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,400
that's know that you need like that
Ben Simmons. Part of this is tough

480
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,440
because it's like I kind of forget
he's there because we haven't seen playing so

481
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,279
long and so, yeah, you
have more defense than you did last season

482
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,079
noticeably, So right, yeah,
well I think do you have Ben Simmons.

483
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,319
It's a fair point. Uh the
I thought, I don't think they'll

484
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,359
use like they're better trade exceptions,
but like the Nicks, if they're really

485
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,079
looking at dump Cam reddish, why
not take a flyer on him. He

486
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:27,559
fits into I think two of their
trade exceptions. He fits into the DeAndre

487
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,319
one exactly. Maybe I can't remember
where he just worked there, and they

488
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,720
of course have the James Harden won
if he's more expensive. I know that

489
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,759
contenders don't normally think in those terms, but like I'm just getting I want

490
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,480
I want wings, like I don't
can't be like young old as long as

491
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,440
they can play, and there's like
some either untapped upside to them or they've

492
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,200
proven something. Just give Brooklyn all
the wings. Yeah, Cam reddish should

493
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,559
be. I mean again, like, I think the Nets really need to

494
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:56,519
be mindful of the future here because
they owe their next five picks either like

495
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,839
fully unprotected just going to Houston or
pick swaps to Houston. So if this

496
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,599
thing really goes south, they could
be sending some premium picks to Houston.

497
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,119
And like the mid twenty twenties,
I wonder, and I guess the first

498
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,680
round equity that they could actually give
up. Maybe he's too expensive for this,

499
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,880
but like ken Rich Williams, someone's
got to get him out of Okacy.

500
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:16,880
Well not, they don't have to. I don't make that clear.

501
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:21,880
He's thrived in Okacy. He also
said he wanted to retire there. He's

502
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,920
someone My point is everyone should be
looking to trade for Kendrick Williams. So

503
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,920
if I don't mention him for a
team, just assume that he's a tradetographer

504
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,319
that team. I feel the same
about Blue Dort too, do you.

505
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,519
I'm like so much lower on Blue
Dort than everybody else. Interesting, Yeah,

506
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:44,160
there's something there's like infrequent rim pressure
and like spotty shooting, and he's

507
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,200
a defensive monster. The best I
think it was Brandon and or David Brandon

508
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:53,200
on Twitter described Lue dort once as
a big mactruck made up of other miniature

509
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:59,559
Mac trucks, Like that is perfect. Yeah, I want that guy,

510
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,039
might do We went over on the
nets because of course we're going to the

511
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,799
New York Knicks now, not any
less dramatic key free agents include Mitchell Robinson.

512
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,480
He's unrestricted, but they have full
bird rights and for anyone who cares,

513
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:14,960
Ryan Archie dak and I was also
a free agent. The notable non

514
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,039
guarantees TOAJ Gibson. His salary doesn't
become guaranteed until January seven to twenty twenty

515
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:23,559
three, but they're gonna waive him
because we already know what they're doing at

516
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:29,480
this point. They're notable extension in
candidate. They're notable extension candidates include RJ.

517
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,599
Barrett and Cam Reddish. They have
no notable trade exceptions. They're best

518
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:37,359
spending tool as of now. As
of now, I'm just assuming they wave

519
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,519
TOAJ Gibson. They're gonna be in
that eighteen million dollars cap space range if

520
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,599
they want more. That's where the
Cam Reddish salary dumps come in. So

521
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,359
their best spending tools going to be
cap space. They made that clear on

522
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,200
draft night. I have listed as
their biggest needs slash priorities, and this

523
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,920
is to jump start the larger conversation. Is a fucking direction. Is what

524
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,720
I literally have before I throw it
to you. I would just like to

525
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,440
say I received a lot of criticism
for what I wrote and what I said

526
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:07,199
after the Knicks trade stuff. I
don't if you like the idea of what

527
00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:14,679
they did in a vacuum getting three
conditional first for that one first, fine

528
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,559
like I still would have. I
liked hushmont Jag. I actually would have

529
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,280
picked him. I also liked Doc
Basha. I thought he would been a

530
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,559
good fit. Fine, That's actually
not what I'm criticizing. I'm not even

531
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:29,039
technically criticizing that they definitely overpaid to
salary dumb Kember Walker. And some people

532
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:30,599
will say, well, if that's
what it cost to salary dumb Kember Walker,

533
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:35,559
they didn't overpay that fine wave him. It was one season, and

534
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,000
you're clearly not planning to app operate
like a salary cap team again anytime soon.

535
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:42,159
If you're making run at John Brunson, that three million dollars a year

536
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:46,079
work around, it is where I
would have been with that my larger issue

537
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,960
and has nothing to do with Jalen
Brunson. I have I promised everyone I've

538
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,960
watched Jon Brunson. I'm excited for
the Knicks to go too and oh against

539
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,920
the Utah Jazz every single season.
But this is like, he's not the

540
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:04,280
player you pay twenty five million million
dollars when you don't have another star in

541
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,199
place already, and that star probably
needs to be on the higher end of

542
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,920
stardom because I don't know that you
could feel comfortable saying, oh, Drew

543
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,159
Holiday's my best player. Jon Brunson
can be my second best player, like

544
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,760
it can't be someone on It has
to be a top ten guy like Luca.

545
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,000
And that's where the criticism is is
they are consigning themselves to the middle

546
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,239
again. I don't care how good
Jail Brunson ends up being, but awesome

547
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,199
that you guys want to pay forty
million dollars combined to Derrick Rose and Jalon

548
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,440
Brunson next season. That's a hell
of a smart thing to do. That's

549
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,519
where my criticism is. Though I
think Jon Brunson is fantastic. I think

550
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:38,480
there's something to be said for Yes, he will streamline the development of RJ.

551
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,400
Barrett on offense and yes, you
know what, maybe he'll force Julius

552
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,800
Randall to act more like a big
and a spot up guy rather than someone

553
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,880
who has carte blaunched over the offense. My issue is just that you're not

554
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,519
at a point, especially after paying
Randall and Fournier, where this is what

555
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,440
you need to be doing, and
then jumping through so many hoops to do

556
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,320
so. And the final thing,
I'll say, you can look at it

557
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,960
what they've casted to dump salary and
create space so far, they are not

558
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,679
done. If you dump cam Reddish
like a lot of people think they will,

559
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,119
and they haven't yet to their credit, you will have turned the number

560
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:15,559
nineteen pick in the twenty twenty one
draft into another Charlotte pick that you turned

561
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:19,639
into cam Reddish, who you then
used to create six million dollars in cap

562
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,559
space. That is poor asset allocation
no matter how you look at it,

563
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:27,320
And it'd be different if the player
at the end of this shit stained rainbow

564
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,280
was an actual star. It's not
Jalon Brunson, who is BT Is Jalen

565
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:40,840
Brunson a top forty player. I
haven't thought exact. These are not the

566
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,039
hoops you jump through to get something
like that, unless he is he the

567
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:49,440
Knicks's finishing piece. No, no, no, no, exactly, and

568
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,679
you know what if they don't get
him, now this somehow it looks even

569
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,599
worse, but it's funnier. So
that's I just wanted to clarify. That's

570
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:59,039
what I'm meaning by a fucking direction. I'm not actually if that's the trade

571
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,199
they made with the pick, and
I actually think the pick they gave up

572
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,559
it was at the Denver pick to
get off Kemba, but you still got

573
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:07,679
the Milwaukee pick. I'd rather have
the Milwaukee twenty twenty five pick. It's

574
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,000
top four protected. Denver was protected
until Kingdom come. There was a lot

575
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,199
of infected, So that's I wouldn't
have done it because I think there's a

576
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,920
chance Washington pick doesn't convey I think
there's less of a chance now that Detroit's

577
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,280
pick doesn't convey that team looks fun
in the years to come. I can't

578
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,280
even come up with free agent targets
for this team outside of Jawn Brunson because

579
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,679
I have no idea what the fuck
they're doing. What about Kyrie? Is

580
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:37,039
that? Like? Are you if? I will give the same criticism hitching

581
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:38,800
your wagon to Kyrie Irving is just
like playing with dynamite. Now. Now,

582
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,079
people were in our YouTube comments saying, well, you probably were against

583
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,400
them getting Kyrie in the first place
and looked how well that turned out.

584
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,119
You don't get the backtrack if they
go ahead and get Kyrie. Do you

585
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,960
know what the actual contingency plan is
in place? If they don't get Brunson,

586
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:55,400
it's Malcolm fucking brogged in? There
is It's not a likelyhood, but

587
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,440
there is a percentage chance whatever it
is, that this all ends with them

588
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,840
just getting Malcolm rocked in from the
India Pacers. Yeah. Yeah, I

589
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,360
mean, like, I'm keeping my
eye just if if things go south with

590
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:14,440
Kyrie and he opts out, Like
the team's on his sign and trade list

591
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,239
are all well over the tax,
so most of them are over the apron

592
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,960
already or will be, so they
can't receive a player in a sign and

593
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,360
trade unless they get under Miami's the
one exception there, but I think would

594
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,280
reported their interest isn't minimal And like, did you see what Mickey Harrison tweeted

595
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,840
out the other day? No,
it was I can't This is me summarizing

596
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,000
again, but he tweeted out an
article where it says proof that the unvaccinated

597
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:46,639
or killing people. So this is
like Kyrie was like he saw the Ruvers

598
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:51,760
that he was like, no,
it's the one place in Florida with the

599
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,360
unvaccinated are not welcome. Interesting.
Yeah, So if he opts out,

600
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,239
like, the Knicks are his only
realistic option other than resigning with Brooklyn.

601
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:06,320
So it's just something that I'm gonna
like, you know, the deadline is

602
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,360
Wednesday for that, the opt in
opt out decision, Like, if he

603
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,519
opts out, I'm thinking like,
oh, okay, now now the Knicks

604
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,679
are in here, But otherwise I
completely agree with you, Like, I'm

605
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,440
still not sure. I mean,
I think Barrett is the closest thing to

606
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:25,760
it, but I still don't know
if the Knicks have like anything resembling a

607
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,400
star on a championship team. They
don't have a they don't have a pull

608
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,119
star cornerstone. Right now, I
think it's not Julius Randall. I know,

609
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,599
I thought the Julius Randall contract year
will, extension year, whatever you

610
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:42,400
want to call it. I bought
into it. I still think he can

611
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,360
be better than he was for most
of last season. It's not him maybe

612
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,360
I'm not willing to rule out RJ. Barrett, but I do think at

613
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,480
this point, like it's not fifty
fifty that R. J. Barrett is

614
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,440
the top ten players, Like it's
not right, right, yeah, Like

615
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:58,320
he could be a co star or
like a number a strong number three on

616
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,679
a title team, but yeah,
I would be surprised if he is,

617
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,360
which is important, yeah, of
course, right, Like, don't get

618
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,800
me wrong, it's important to have
good players and especially good young players.

619
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:14,880
But like I almost feels like if
they get Brunson, and I mean,

620
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,679
this is what it felt like for
the last couple of seasons with them,

621
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:21,320
They're like signing all of these guys
to mid tier deals, so it's like,

622
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,800
okay, well if we need you
know, some start out there wants

623
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,280
a trade, Like, oh,
we've got all these mid sized contracts,

624
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,079
we can easily cobble together something.
And I guess now they added these three

625
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,960
first round picks, So like if
Donovan Mitchell, if things go to Hell

626
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,440
and Utah and he wants out,
maybe maybe they're in on him. But

627
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:43,039
otherwise, like, yeah, I
guess what what is the plan here?

628
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,519
Like, are you gonna cobble these
together? For? As you said,

629
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,199
Malcolm Brogden is like the backup plant, or like Mike Conley is the backup

630
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,199
plant. I don't know like it
this the plant sounds good in theory,

631
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,639
but they have yet to execute on
it, like three years into this now.

632
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:01,800
Yeah, and I think a stuff
that I would like to see them

633
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,719
do. Some people said, well, like you lined out, what if

634
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,599
those picks they're planning and run another
star if they go ahead and turn around

635
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,519
trade for de Jontay Murray or Mitchell
becomes available, I'll eat my words,

636
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,280
like that's I'm willing to do that, and I would love to do that.

637
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,920
I just don't think I will.
They aren't a position where they could

638
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,840
get creative with what they're doing in
free agencies. Is they have capspace And

639
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,639
if Jalen Brunson does go back to
Dallas, you know, do you start

640
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,719
shopping around the restricted free agent?
Well, I don't think, Like there's

641
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,239
just there's no one in this market
that I think is worth them burning most

642
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,079
of their cap space on at once. But can you look at like they're

643
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,000
a team that could still use wings
Like I would love for them to take

644
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,119
a flyer on like in a mere
coffee. I think they're a good landing

645
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,679
spot for a Caleb Bero Cody Martin. I think they also need shooting in

646
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,480
general to just open things up if
you want to play Mitchell Robinson and Julius

647
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,960
Rynolds together at the same time,
So can you go on the market and

648
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,159
find some of that, because now
you have more money than you know,

649
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,360
more than two thirds of the league
to spend. At this point, they

650
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,440
aren't a ton of good shooters on
the open market. But at the same

651
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,719
time, like if Garry Harris wanted
to complete for the Knicks, like yeah,

652
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,760
like that's someone who shot well enough
from three this year, and so

653
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,199
that's what I'd be looking to do, is like kind of finding those glue

654
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:12,920
guys to where that could just space
the floor. And I'd love to see

655
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,400
them do that at the five.
But I think to wrap up the discussion

656
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,159
here, they're gonna wind up resigning
Mitchell Robinson. You have Jericho Sims there,

657
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:22,679
You're gonna you want to see what
you have and will be topping.

658
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,239
I'm just sort of resigned to Tims
probably wouldn't play a floor spacing big if

659
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,840
it's at his disposal anyway, And
maybe it's more likely that he's forced to

660
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,440
try out Randall and top In,
which I know will be a defensive disaster.

661
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:36,400
But they need to open up the
floor. And by the way,

662
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,360
they need to do that even if
Jalen Brunson comes to town, because like

663
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,840
he's used to operating with a lot
more space in Dallas, and then Nicks

664
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,360
are gonna give him next season if
he's higns there. Yeah, no,

665
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,519
that's a good point. I mean, like Taias Jones, You've mentioned him

666
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:51,760
earlier for Boston, Like if he
is not willing to sell for the mini

667
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,639
mid level and isn't even willing to
sell for the non taxpayer like he wants

668
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:01,239
twelve fourteen million, he would be
someone of interest for me. I don't

669
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:07,239
get why Mo Bamba is like not
generating any free agent interests at least in

670
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,159
terms of like the lead offa is
or are they more likely like they still

671
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,199
drafted Paolo ban Caro, so like
I don't like, I don't think that

672
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:16,800
makes them more or less likely to
get rid of them. I just thought

673
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,440
they were going to get rid of
them when they ended up with the top

674
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,880
three pick, right right, and
like I would Yeah, I mean,

675
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,320
it seemed to be a lot of
people are like expecting them not even to

676
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:30,159
if who I'm a qualifying offer,
which I mean like cool, I get

677
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:34,480
it, Like you've got Wendell Carter
and now Paolo like those are your and

678
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,599
you've got Jonathan Isaac coming back in
theory at some point. But Bamba's good,

679
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,639
Like I feel like he's gonna wind
up being signing for less than he

680
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:46,639
should and being a huge stealing free
agency. So if if they lose Mitchell

681
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:52,400
Robinson somehow, that would be another
guy I'd be certainly after because like he's

682
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,440
still raw. But the skill set
in the upside is really intriguing, especially

683
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,960
for a team that needs to be
taking some mome when swings on town.

684
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:04,440
And look, if they don't use
their cap space on like a big free

685
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,960
agent, like they should absolutely be
what teams within a dumb contracts If we're

686
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,880
not getting they're not getting Bruns in
what are they attaching to it? And

687
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,840
then yeah, you are reloading your
deck again. I still wouldn't love the

688
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,159
order of operations because why did you
if you miss on Bruns and it means

689
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:21,800
that you dumped Kemba and I assume
they're waiting for the other moves before to

690
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,639
know that they have them. So
yeah, that's the I don't it's tough

691
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:29,800
to look ahead to the nixt offseason
because if you assume they get Bruns and

692
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,239
like that's the move, right,
and then they could use the room exception

693
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:38,000
after that and it's awesome. Like
I don't know what I think their biggest

694
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,880
position of need. While I would
like to see some sort of shape shifting

695
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,840
up front, I really think it's
like, can you get some actual properly

696
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,079
sized wings in there? And men
Cam Reddish adds to that, if you're

697
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,559
gonna keep them, we just it
doesn't sound like they're going to keep them,

698
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:52,320
or we don't know if they're gonna
keep them more. If Tis even

699
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,840
fucking likes him at this point,
right, will Tidds play him at any

700
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,880
point next year? That was the
other point about this trade too. It's

701
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,559
like, well, Tims wasn't gonna
play a lottery prospect anyway, and it's

702
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,920
like Tom Thibodeau was not a good
enough coach for you to think that way,

703
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,000
right, Just fire your coach.
If if your coach is not willing

704
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,400
to play a lottery pick, that
he shouldn't be your coach. And that's

705
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,440
that was really my fundamental issue was
like the moves in a vacuum. You

706
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,039
can evaluate different ways the picks that
they got versus the ones they gave up,

707
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:23,400
but like the line of thinking,
like the overarching thought process that went

708
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,639
behind this or what you're trying to
do. It's not even like, oh,

709
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:30,039
we're planning for a Nicole yogis pursued
six years down the line or something

710
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:36,360
ridiculous like that. It's like,
I'm like, it's just it's Jalen Bruns.

711
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,280
Like a jale Brun's a really good
player. He's not someone that should

712
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:44,119
dictate like this much of about your
team operating. Yeah, I mean,

713
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,360
especially like if the costs to get
eleven, like to you know, okay,

714
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,920
see gave up three for future first
for the eleven pick. Couldn't they

715
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:59,800
have gotten more for thirteen than just
dumping Kembo's contract and getting up Milwaukee pick

716
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,480
that's probably gonna be in the twenties. Yeah, so the value is off

717
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,760
they two. So that's so weird. Not a detriment to move on its

718
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,800
face, but more of I do
think it was not great value. And

719
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,039
look, if that was the cost
to dump Kemba Walker, I'm just not

720
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:19,280
dumping Kimber Walker. That's a lot
of the refrains here. It's like,

721
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,559
well, if they gave that up, do you really think they just took

722
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,760
the worst deal and one it happened
on draft night under pressure, Like there's

723
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,039
a chance there could have been other
moves out there, like the Warriors of

724
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,360
Andre Goadala, where that felt like
a very like impulsive decision to send him

725
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,400
to Memphis with that twenty twenty four
big I mean, if there weren't like,

726
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,320
hey, here's a novel concept,
you didn't need to dump Kemba Walker

727
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,920
then right, I mean, like, okay, CE has twenty million cap

728
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,480
space burning Hall in their pockets.
They expires on June thirtieth, Like you're

729
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,559
telling me if you have some good
antel, like on June twenty nine,

730
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,880
that you're in line for Brunson at
that point or Kyrie God forbid, like

731
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,440
you wouldn't be able to attach the
future first to Alec Burks or Rylands now

732
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,199
weel or I mean probably not kept
up because there because they wouldn't be able

733
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,320
to reacquire him for but it would
be well within the window. Yeah you're

734
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:15,159
right, so well yoh yeah for
sure. Uh the next team. No,

735
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,719
boy, do you just want to
We'll go to the Toronto Raptors.

736
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,760
But the first yeah, the Philadelphia
seventy six ers key free agents for them.

737
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,199
Not sure if you've heard of this
guy, James Harden. There's also

738
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:32,480
he has a player option. Paul
Mill's happened Doctor Jordan the key uh Shake

739
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:37,159
Milan also has a one point nine
million dollars team option Isaiah Joe and Paul

740
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:42,639
Reader on non guaranteed deals, and
Charles Bassi is a seventy four K guarantee.

741
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,159
Notable extension candidates. I threw this
one in there for you, Tobias

742
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,239
Harris. It is the third anniversary
of his five year deal, so he

743
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,119
used extension aledgeable BT just in case
you needed to know. No notable trade

744
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:57,719
exceptions their best spending tool. And
this is like the topic that I think

745
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,679
tates everything I have it as the
mini mL E. You've written extensively about

746
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:05,559
how they could try to open up
the non taxpayer mL E and the bi

747
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:09,280
annual, but it looks like after
that trade for Melton, they decided we'll

748
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,440
use the miniml and he's probably better
than any player that we would have gotten

749
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,280
with the bi annual or the non
taxpayer to begin with it. Maybe they

750
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,280
just didn't want to hard tap themselves. Yeah yeah, I mean they've sent

751
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,000
some pretty clear messaging out over the
past week that they are not going to

752
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:28,199
salary dump just to get access to
the MLI. So they're not going to

753
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,599
like give him a tistavole away for
free. The Melton trade makes it more

754
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:39,000
likely that they're going to have the
mini one, the only two realistic pathways

755
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:43,639
they can see that for them to
get the full one one, James Harden

756
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,079
opts out and resigns for less money, but it would have to be like

757
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:50,360
substantially less money. Now I think
you said, what was the number of

758
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,760
thirty six? Yeah, it's like
if if they want to do a minimum

759
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,199
deal for the fifteenth roster spot,
like so as assuming they're gonna, you

760
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:07,039
know, use the full non taxpayer
on someone and then use the minimum exception

761
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,239
for the fifteen spot. Yeah,
it's like he has to take a ten

762
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,760
ish million dollar pay cut. Yeah. Yeah, Like before all of this,

763
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,320
he could have, like heading into
draft night, he could have taken

764
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,559
forty two point seven and they would
have added access. Now it's just a

765
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:31,239
tougher cell I think the other way
is trading to Buias Harris for someone who

766
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,639
earns slightly less money. So Gordon
Hayward's the guy I've got circled, especially

767
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:42,320
if they if the Hornets lose Miles
Bridges in restricted free agency, do they

768
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,199
just do to Bias for Hayward?
And like, I honestly don't know which

769
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:52,840
team would have to include anything else
or if either team would like I think

770
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,599
both teams would want the other one
to send something else and they would ultimately

771
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,920
realize, like, actually, this
is a pretty fair value trade as is,

772
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,360
so we'll just pull it off.
Yeah, And look, there's as

773
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,679
we talked about this the other or
the night before we recorded this, there's

774
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:13,239
probably just more value in not having
to be so beholden to the hardcap to

775
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,199
where you're literally just working like with
such finite room under it. If you

776
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,639
were trying to use that non tax
payer and who are you getting for it?

777
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,280
You know, like, do you
have they met probably better than anyone

778
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,920
you're actually going to sign at this
point with the non tax payramid level.

779
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,599
Yeah, Like if they do this
Harris for Hayward trade, and you know

780
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,760
they've been linked with PJ. Tucker
a lot, Like, is Hayward and

781
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,519
PJ. Tucker better than Harris and
whoever they get with the tax payramid level.

782
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:42,159
Impossible to say now without knowing who
they get, but I would I

783
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,960
would think no, because Harris is
like the one two way wing on their

784
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:50,480
roster, and that is really stretching
the definition of the gay wing, which

785
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,440
is I was gonna ask you,
so, like, what are the needs

786
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,519
of this team, and it feels
like they have like more than a team

787
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:59,079
in this position probably should do you
have? They? Melton definitely helps for

788
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,079
sure. Yeah, that was pick
up. Yeah, Yeah, I mean

789
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:06,400
I think I've been saying all all
offseason wing wing, wing, wing wing,

790
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,840
that's the number one need by far, especially if you're going against Tatum

791
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,599
and Jimmy Butler and maybe Kevin Durant
in the playoffs. And I mean Giannis

792
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,440
is his own beast, but Chris
Middleton in the playoffs as well. So

793
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,400
ideally a two way wing, I
think, because like, assuming they don't

794
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,800
make any major trades like you have
Maxi, Harden, Harris and Beat,

795
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,920
all of whom can go off for
twenty or Embat and Harden's case and even

796
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,639
Maxie's no'll go off for thirty on
any given nights. You don't need another

797
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:44,039
high volume score like I would really
just look for like a low usage three

798
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,760
and D guy. So Daniel House
is one of the main main guys,

799
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,280
main realistic targets that I had in
mind for them. We went over a

800
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:57,239
bunch of the other candidates. We're
talking about Boston, but like either of

801
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,360
the Martins, Gary Harris would be
interesting, Otto Port, it would be

802
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,880
interesting Torre and Prince if he's willing
to go for the mini one. T

803
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,800
J. Warren's probably the one where
like that's the highest risk but also the

804
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:15,960
highest upside of anyone in that conversation. And I do wonder, you know,

805
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:19,880
the Sixers, because Danny Green got
hurt and then they traded him for

806
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,400
Melton, Like right now you're penciling
in Matisse thybole as they're starting three.

807
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:29,320
But I don't think that spot is
set in stone by any means. So,

808
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,000
like, you know, because so
many contenders are limited to the mini

809
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:36,519
mL, the Sixers can at least
say, hey, like we have a

810
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:40,280
real chance for playing time here,
Like you have the opportunity to start here

811
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,079
where it's like you're not getting that
in Boston or Denver. Or wherever so

812
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,920
that that might help them, or
Michael Rubin can just ship some fanatics Monday

813
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:54,480
under the table now, I guess, Yeah, it's such a would you

814
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:59,119
do? I don't know if he's
like he's I don't know if he's three

815
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,519
enough, and then I also don't
know if he's a big enough But like

816
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:04,320
what if Bruce Brown was willing to
take the many? Yeah, yeah,

817
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,519
I had him on my non taxpayer
I know he shot the three well last

818
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:14,400
year, but Booken almost uniquely able
to use him on offense, where like

819
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,199
he was doing other stuff too,
hanging around the dunker spot and whatever.

820
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,519
Yeah, I mean, I thought, especially given his relationship playing with Harden

821
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,639
before, he'd be a really interesting
candidate and just weakening Brooklyn. You know,

822
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,280
that's certainly something that can help because
you're going to be competing with them

823
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,719
in theory for a playoff spot next
year. Kyle Anderson was another one,

824
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,119
but I think he's probably too expensive
and like the fit is just so weird

825
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:45,599
and I don't trust Doc to figure
it out at all. But it could

826
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:51,000
work. I think, I mean, he would help them defensively a lot,

827
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,280
and he gives them like a different
type of playmaker and rebounding. I

828
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,440
think he would help too, Like
their rebounding was garbage last year, which

829
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,199
is also why they need to Well
this isn't also why because they did hit

830
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,039
on their backup five signing. Now
that you hit on it again at the

831
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,559
minimum, and that's that's like another
need. Like I would love you don't

832
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:12,199
spend one, he'll cost more,
but like you can't. I don't think

833
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,039
you could justify. Like if Chris
Bouchet said, hey, I'll take the

834
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:16,800
mini Emily to come there. I
mean, I might do it anyway because

835
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,880
he could play with it me technically, but like that that would be a

836
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,440
hole, mom. But you also
want to use your best spending tool on

837
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:29,320
a position that your best player man, right right, Yeah, it sounds

838
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,519
like they're I mean again, this
is coming from Darryl, So I don't

839
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:37,719
know Doc it's gonna buy into it. But Darryl on draft night made it

840
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,840
sound like Doc was impressed with what
Paul Reid gave them late in the season.

841
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,280
He's optimistic about Charles Bassie, who
was a rookie last year, a

842
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,880
second round pick, So it sounds
like they might just let those two guys

843
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,920
battle it out for the backup five
job, and he said, there's gonna

844
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,039
be like a pretty high bar if
they do get a minimum center, because

845
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,800
like roster spots are also a problem, and they've got assuming Hard knops in

846
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,559
or whatever happens with Hard he comes
back, which I think you will.

847
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,480
They're at thirteen already, so like
if you spend one, you know you've

848
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:15,559
got Read and Vassie. Like if
you signed another min guy, you've got

849
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,559
four centers, or if you consider
Read a four, he could probably play

850
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,400
either spot, but like you know
that least room for one wing and you've

851
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:30,400
got then your wing rotation or wing
slash forward rotation is Harris fible quark mas.

852
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,920
I guess like Isaiah Joe was not
going to play George and Yang was

853
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:38,360
you know, good in the regular
season, struggled in the playoffs. Like

854
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:45,480
I would personally advocate using those two
final roster spots on two wings. And

855
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:49,679
I wonder, like House I have
circled as you know, my the guy

856
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,199
who I think they might be able
to get for cheaper than other teams because

857
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,320
he played with Harden and Houston more
he's got a relationship with him as well,

858
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,440
so maybe they can get him in
on a min deal, or maybe

859
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,920
they can split the mini emili between
him and one other guy. I don't

860
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,280
know that that would be That's how
I would do it, if I,

861
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:13,639
you know, without knowing like who
is willing to take what? That would

862
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,920
be my mindset going in the off
season. I was wondering, and I

863
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,280
don't I'm not wondering as much anymore. And he but he said he wanted

864
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,840
to play with dwell embiid if Nick
but Toom well, yeah, yeah,

865
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,119
because the Clippers have so many wings. I was like, maybe they don't

866
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:28,280
want to pay him, but it
kind of seems like they don't care about

867
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,079
the tax, which if that's true, he always are quick to give to

868
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,239
there for not caring until they all
of a sudden start to care, right.

869
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:37,079
But Tom would be fantastic if they
could get Tucker that is a like

870
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:40,880
he opts out with the intention of
getting the full mL the bigger mL E

871
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,199
like that, or the one hundred
twenty percent race from Miami, which comes

872
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,559
pretty close to that, Like you're
not taking six point four million from the

873
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:52,480
Sixers. Another name I thought about, and they could move him around a

874
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,559
lot. Want just Connal Anderson would
be really good. Here. Oh that's

875
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,480
interesting. I actually had not thought
about him, but Tom was on my

876
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:04,159
list of tax payer and a mere
coffee as well for this. I think

877
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,960
this will be the fourteenth team that
we've done as recording this, I have

878
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,920
suggested a mere coffee for no fewer
than ten of those teams. Good.

879
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:16,320
Yeah, yeah, I mean he
just again like they don't need another high

880
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,039
volume score. They need someone to
stand in the corner, knock down threes,

881
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,280
be switchable on defense. I think
he can do all of those things.

882
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,719
And if we're gonna pillage the Warriors, Damian Lee would make I know

883
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,199
he wasn't playing for them, but
he'd probably play for the Sixers. Yeah.

884
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,280
I mean, looking at teams that
are already well over the tax line

885
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:37,760
and have a number of notable free
agents is a safe bet. Like if

886
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,960
they do go for a backup center, Isaiah Hartenstein would be one of the

887
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,599
guys I'd go after. But yeah, I didn't name him in my targets

888
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:50,519
because I don't want them to spend
money on a backup center, but if

889
00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:53,719
they did, that would probably be
the guy I'd try to get. So,

890
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,320
how do you think the Well?
Before I get to James Harden.

891
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,880
Yeah, do you think the d
DN Tamail trade now, it felt like

892
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,760
they could have been. I know
they were linked to like Windhorse sort of

893
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,159
mentioned that, like, oh they're
dreaming of getting a third star. The

894
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,599
heat religion isn't set up to make
a big trade. No, So I

895
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:14,760
don't think Melton is like the biggest
move that they make this summer, right,

896
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,880
Like that ends up being like the
biggest get for them. James Harden

897
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,719
notwithstanding, right, I don't want
to like rule out anything because I'm sure

898
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,800
Darryl is coming up with the I
just can't imagine trading Kyrie's Maxie on his

899
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,880
rookie scale. I just I can't. Yeah, I wouldn't be thrilled about

900
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:37,239
it. It would have to be
for an absolute surefire superstar. And I'm

901
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,320
not putting like you know, Kyrie
named the Sixers as one of his teams

902
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,000
of interest. I do not think
they reciprocate like you have. That was

903
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:52,159
hysterical James Harden's right, James Harton
literally requested a trade to get away from

904
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:57,760
You don't think they're gonna want to? Yeah, So I think Melton and

905
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,599
then whoever they signed with the MLA
will probably be there two big splashes.

906
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:06,840
How do you expect what would be
your guess on how the James Harden contracted

907
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,519
because they'll be back in Philly,
but it doesn't feel like there's still a

908
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:13,639
bunch of different scenarios still in play
and that there's not this huge feel for

909
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:15,840
what he's necessarily going to do.
Yeah, I mean, you know,

910
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:21,960
our colleague Jake Fisher has reported he
is likely to opt in and take a

911
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,679
short term extension, and then I
think either Wood or Windhorst has since echoed

912
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:30,199
that reporting, So they are more
plugg give than I am, so I

913
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:37,079
will absolutely believe them. I think
Harden would probably like a full max extension

914
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:38,719
for you know, he would,
I'm sure we would like all five years.

915
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:43,039
That's not going to happen. I'm
sure he is going to be pushing

916
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:47,000
for a max extension of two years. I'm sure the Sixers are going to

917
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:51,440
be trying to get a little bit
less than that. None of that impacts

918
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,880
what they can do this offseason,
So Wednesday, we're gonna know either way

919
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:58,760
what they're able to do. I
you know, like a couple of weeks

920
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,320
ago, I wrote that him opting
out and resigning for less would be their

921
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,960
best play because at that point it
was easier to get access to the non

922
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:13,880
TAXAMN level and the biennial exception.
Now because he would have to take such

923
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,960
a big discount to get there,
I don't think it's going to happen.

924
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:20,840
And frankly, I mean Derek Bodner
of the Daily six newsletter, I think

925
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,920
was the first to point this out. It's a really smart point. Again,

926
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:27,519
Summer twenty twenty five is coming,
so if he signs a three year

927
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,599
extension, he comes off the books
right then. The only guy they currently

928
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:36,119
have signed through then is Joel Embiid
you know, knock on would Tyree Smith.

929
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:44,639
But you know, like if if
Maxie, I'm assuming he's going to

930
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:49,000
get a MAX extension next offseason or
something close to it, but they could

931
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,760
have I mean, we'll see what
they do in the ensuing three years.

932
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,760
It's you know, it's two early
to be saying like, oh, I've

933
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,639
got like ninety billion dollars in cap
space, But like they they could set

934
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:05,079
themselves up to have a third MAX
slot right when that summer happens. If

935
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,119
Harden does do this three year deal, so I would rather him, I'd

936
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:14,960
rather pay him more over three years
than slightly less over four unless he really

937
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,559
did take a big enough discount to
go full non tax mid level and full

938
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:22,800
by annual exceptions. Yeah, and
look, there might be some the fact

939
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,239
that they're not set up to make
a big trade anymore. If you could

940
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:30,840
cut salary another way to open up
both, like if it's the exchanging tobias

941
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,920
for a cheaper player or players or
that works out. The more that I

942
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,239
think about, the more it might
go that route. I guess you,

943
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:39,880
especially more of all people, doesn't
want to go to never say never direction

944
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:44,280
to where some opportunity opens up the
middle of the season. And I know

945
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,480
that you might want to make some
like like middle of the season like signings

946
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:50,400
or ten days or whatever. But
I'm also just sort of like you're not

947
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,039
set up to like make this meg
or blockbuster anyway. Do you really need

948
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:58,280
to care about having such a thin
line of breathing room beneath the hardcat Yeah,

949
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,880
I mean, if anything, it
would be like to convert one of

950
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:06,039
their two way guys to arrest of
season contract. But I'm with you,

951
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:09,840
like they're pretty locked into this core, like they just do not have They've

952
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,400
got these three gigantic salaries, and
then Melton is right now their fourth highest

953
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,039
BADE player at eight point two five
billions. So like, unlike the Knicks

954
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:22,760
who have a ton of these mid
tier tradeable salaries, the Sixers have nothing.

955
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,360
Like you, It's very difficult to
cobble together a trade. Danny Green

956
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,920
was their one trade chip, and
you know they made good on it.

957
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,840
But now it's like, even if
you cobble together Quark, Moss and Thible,

958
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,880
that's still like nine point four million
dollars in salary, so you can't

959
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,000
even get You know, they were
linked to Eric Gordon leading up to the

960
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:45,119
draft, it's like, good luck
figuring out and Eric Gordon trade. Right

961
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,360
now, that doesn't involve to Buias
Harris, you'd have to include basically everyone

962
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:53,440
else on the roster. What would
you do if James Horn's hand like a

963
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:59,239
five year, one hundred and seventy
five million dollars deal. I mean,

964
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:01,719
it wouldn't be the worst thing in
the world because at that point you probably

965
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:07,039
do have but you just have James
Horton for five years at like thirty five

966
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,239
million of pop. Basically, yeah, yeah, you would hope if he

967
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:15,480
does that, you would at least
try to structure it in a way you

968
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:20,519
get the full non text and bi
annual this year. You probably have it

969
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:25,239
go up and at least the next
year and then have it decline after that,

970
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:30,880
so you're at least gonna have,
you know, hopefully the salary is

971
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,400
in line with his production, and
also it'll be cheaper as this cap boom

972
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,639
happens in twenty five and if you're
trying to get off of him at his

973
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:43,920
body isn't totally broken by then,
maybe you'll be able to do that.

974
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,400
That about rats us up on the
Sister Sixers, which brings us to our

975
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:52,119
last team, Toronto Raptors. Key
free agents include Chris Bouche unrestricted full bird.

976
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,480
You to want an Abby who would
actually be a good fit for the

977
01:03:55,519 --> 01:04:00,000
Sixers. They probably want someone who's
like played more aren't though I'm assuming that

978
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:03,960
Is Young is also a free agent
as his essak Banga, he's a non

979
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:10,239
guaranteed deal. Other notable non guarantees
Delano Banton. He has one hundred and

980
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,039
fifty K guaranteed on his one point
six million dollars salary until July fourth.

981
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,840
Armani Brooks is fifty K guaranteed if
his one point eight million dollars salary and

982
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,960
then two hundred and fifty k will
guarantee on August first. Notable extension candidates.

983
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,599
Both Siakam and Fred van Fleet are
extension knowledgeable this summer. That is

984
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,599
that's interesting and notable trade exceptions.
They have three point one leftover from the

985
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,920
Kyle Lowry trade that expires on July
sixth, and they have five point three

986
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:39,639
million from the gore On Dragas trade
which expires February tenth. Their best spending

987
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:43,639
tool should be the non tax player
mid level exception unless they do something to

988
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,199
the clear space, which they can. They're also you know, they're a

989
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:53,599
thoroughly uninteresting trade team just because it
has to be a mega star because of

990
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:56,719
who they would need to trade and
then like it would have like even the

991
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,000
Rudy Gobert structure is like unless it's
literally he had an Obi and the rest

992
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,199
of your roster that isn't Gary Trench
in your Pascal Siakam, Scottie Barnes and

993
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:06,360
Fred van Fleet like you, you
would have to trade Gary Trench and your

994
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,000
og had an Noobi almost in the
same trade. So what do you have

995
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:14,199
as just their biggest needs? What
are you like looking to see from them

996
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:17,719
going into the free agency. I
think they don't have enough six nine players.

997
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,280
That's really I think. I mean, way we were talking to me,

998
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,519
they don't think that they do.
I know, it is awesome.

999
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,239
I'm like saying that half facetiously,
but I also think they genuinely might just

1000
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,840
want to go full a full team
of guys between six seven and six nine

1001
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:39,159
who could dribble, shoot and pass
and defense, and that maybe that's just

1002
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:43,400
the vision, you know. I
think when they ran into Mbid in the

1003
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,760
playoffs and they didn't have anyone who
could guard him unless they broke his face

1004
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:53,039
with an elbow in garbage time,
that at least suggested that they could use

1005
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:58,199
a traditional center or at least someone
who could soak up minutes against bigger guys.

1006
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,599
But at the same time, like, how many of the other teams

1007
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:04,800
that you're going to go against in
the East other than Philly has that like

1008
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:10,320
low post to behemoth like Brooklyn.
Even if they bring back Nick Claxton,

1009
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,840
you're not worried about that. Robert
Williams, sure, but that's not the

1010
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,760
way he's going to score baskets.
You know, he's gonna be a lib

1011
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,280
threat and he'll be a like offensive, rebound, put back type of guy,

1012
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,000
but he's not going to create his
own off of post ups. Brook

1013
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:28,679
Lopez is just gonna bomb away from
three. He's not going to post up

1014
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:31,960
a ton bam at a Bio.
Same deal. So, like, I

1015
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:35,800
agree, they could use one,
but I feel like their need for one

1016
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,800
is overblown. And so with thank
you, I just felt like I was

1017
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,599
on my own a little bit.
I don't really know how Raptors frans feel

1018
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:46,840
about it, but I hate Rudy
Gobert's fit there. Yeah, that level

1019
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,480
of center, right, Yeah,
I completely agree with that, and especially

1020
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,880
as you said, given the caliber
of talent they would have to give up,

1021
01:06:56,199 --> 01:07:00,800
Like if they're giving up Og and
Trent, I wouldn't like I don't

1022
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,039
almost be asking Utah to send more
back or at least send the pick back,

1023
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:09,039
and like Utah would definitely go tell
you the f yourself. But like

1024
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,679
Rudy on that contract, I get
I get the value that he brings.

1025
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,039
And I'm not saying that he is
a bad player or that he is overpaid.

1026
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:23,719
It's just it is tough to build
around someone on that type of a

1027
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,480
contract in general, unless they are
a top five NBA player, and even

1028
01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:33,440
the most ardent Utah Javits fan I
hope would not argue that he is that

1029
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:38,880
caliber over player. So the Utah
Jazz fans in our discord and listen to

1030
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,920
this podcast and comment on YouTube or
whatever, they seem pretty like I think

1031
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,559
some of them want to trade Donovan
Mitchell instead of Rudy. Look, that's

1032
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:49,599
fine too, Rugo Beart is probably
the more certainly in the regular season,

1033
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,480
you can make the case he's the
more valuable player. It's just Donovan Mitchell

1034
01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:56,719
is the prototype of player you would
rebuild around, not just because of his

1035
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,960
point of attack offense, He's also
just he's younger, right, I think

1036
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,000
that is coming more from like we
know who the source of this, all

1037
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:09,800
of this discord is coming from.
And even if they trade Gobert, are

1038
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,719
we just like bibing time and told
was shocked to hear that Quinn Slider was

1039
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:19,119
fired. I said it was Grant
or Adam on podcast, like, I'm

1040
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:24,479
not plugged in, and we all
just knew based off were plugged in.

1041
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,680
Just hearing it in the ether that
he was leaving. Probably knew a little

1042
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,680
bit more than we did. You
would think yeah, yeah, Like I

1043
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,359
have a feeling even if they trade
Gobert in this offseason, like he asked

1044
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,560
out in the next year or two
anyway, So I think they just might

1045
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,680
want to rip the band aid off. You're definitely getting more from Mitchell and

1046
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:46,119
trade this summer anyway than you are
for Gobert, So that is all beside

1047
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:49,279
the point. But yeah, I
would not, like I'm cool with like

1048
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:54,960
precious that Chua showed something interesting this
year in Toronto, and like, if

1049
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,399
you've got again, if you've got
all these six nine guys, you're Siako

1050
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,199
Barnes Chua. If you resign Chris
Bouche and you showed Chris Bouche forever,

1051
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,760
every team should sign Chris Bouche.
Yeah, hopefully Nick Nurse will stop hating

1052
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:11,359
him at some point. Uh,
they've gotten OG's six seven's got a huge

1053
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,359
wingspan, like, they've got plenty
of length. It's you know, you

1054
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:20,039
don't need to break the bag.
And maybe would you be okay man,

1055
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:24,039
I mean you finally got the practice
with Joel e and by now he's gonna

1056
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:27,000
be on the receiving end of like
Joel and yeah, yeah, I had

1057
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,159
thought about like and these don't fit. First of all, the list of

1058
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:34,760
biggs who might give you a shot
against Joel and be it's just so tiny,

1059
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:40,520
right, like, yeah, biggs
would be I would ultimately be okay

1060
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,279
with the big nounbound to name for
the most part. If they went and

1061
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,560
spent their non taxpayers been level on
that big I didn't want to see them

1062
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,279
make it actual trade. For one, when you have, like you know,

1063
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:53,159
Pascal siafam's not incapable of playing the
five like you when you have your

1064
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:57,079
lineups that are positionless or you had
og defend certain centers, maybe that's where

1065
01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:00,439
you're looking to get away from.
I Saiah harten Sign would be great here.

1066
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,399
Maybe not as mobiles they're used to, but he's a really good rim

1067
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:08,439
protector. I also would really like
I don't know if this gets him out

1068
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,960
of Brooklyn, but Nick Laxton here
he fits like there, he's all over

1069
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,680
the place. Maybe he wants someone
with a little bit more girth to them.

1070
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,279
And the other name. I'm sure
it's been thrown out there, but

1071
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:21,640
Kavan Looney would make a lot of
sense for them too. If you have,

1072
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,960
like if you trust Siakaman and assuming
Bouchet comes back to sort of space

1073
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,600
the floor as his other front court
partner. I saw. I can't remember,

1074
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,239
but I was seeing someone talking about
like, well, Cavan Mooney's not

1075
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:34,239
switchable enough, and I was like, a lot, there are a lot

1076
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:38,000
of things that Cavan Looney is not
not switchable enough. Not one of them.

1077
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:43,199
So same right, So those would
be like centers. I would be

1078
01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:45,199
okay with them. I don't want
to say burning, but using the I

1079
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,399
don't know why. I'm like,
they're not setting money on fire. Those

1080
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:53,880
are really good part spending spending.
But I would also really like to see

1081
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,119
them get just like I mean,
if they if they can create in the

1082
01:10:57,119 --> 01:10:59,920
half court, that's a bonus because
their their bench is kind of thing.

1083
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:03,239
They ran their starters around this year. I'd like to see another half court

1084
01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:06,600
creator. I thought there should be
a sneaky good Victor Oladipo team if he's

1085
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:12,079
a non taxpayer m l E guy, that would be yeah. Yeah,

1086
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:15,920
I mean for Looney because I think
the Warriors have bird rights on him.

1087
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:18,680
Yeah, they correctly, right,
This is like the we're about to see

1088
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:24,239
how much the Warriors don't care about
the tax if they haven't really bird rights

1089
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:27,039
on GP two, So they could
pay him basically more than anyone as well.

1090
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,640
Yeah, and then just used the
taxpayer on auto because like I would

1091
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,039
think ten point three million, I
don't with their current luxury tax bill,

1092
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:38,840
it's not just ten point three million. But like I it's not like yeah,

1093
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,920
but yeah, right, But you
know, it's not like the Raptors

1094
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,960
are gonna pay him like twenty five
million. If that were the case,

1095
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:45,239
or if like the Knicks are going
to swoop in and pay him twenty five

1096
01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:48,439
million, it could be a matter
of he's gonna wind up having the non

1097
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:53,600
taxpayer mid level market and are they
willing to He has never been paid paid,

1098
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:57,119
so can you give him something like
there should be no hope down discounts

1099
01:11:57,119 --> 01:11:59,760
on cob on Looney's part, right, right, right, that's fair.

1100
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:03,800
I mean I wonder again I'm gonna
bring up Mobamba, but like that seems

1101
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,479
like it could be a pretty interesting
fit in Toronto. That was gonna be

1102
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,479
my next thing was I really thought
they just need shooting, Like they just

1103
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:15,039
needed Mobamba shot the ball. Well, there aren't a lot of the more

1104
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:16,399
you look like, there are not
a lot of pure shooters on the market,

1105
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,640
and then some of the ones that
you kind of where I was looking

1106
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,000
at, either shooting or someone who
could give you point guard reps, like

1107
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:29,239
they just don't fit the Raptors mold, like a Gary Harris at Taias Jones

1108
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:31,920
not the best shooter, but like
as another sort of guy to manager offense

1109
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,359
like those are not Those don't seem
like Toronto Raptors players. They have it.

1110
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,920
They very much admitted that they have
a type, and so I could

1111
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,159
see this going in a bunch of
different directions. I could see them not

1112
01:12:42,199 --> 01:12:45,159
signing the center at all. You
know, you have Daddie is young,

1113
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,600
you have Chris Bouche. Roll it
back that way. I suppose, like

1114
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,000
maybe they'll make a minimum signing.
But I could see their non taxpayersman level

1115
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:56,520
going to something other than a big
for sure. Yeah I could too,

1116
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,000
I mean, because they could take
a cheap fire on like Derek Jones junior

1117
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:04,960
maybe or that's a good one.
I mean Mantra's Harold, Well, now

1118
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:11,560
maybe he goes for lesque because he's
facing some legal issues, Thomas, he

1119
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,119
should not be like it was three
pounds. Three pounds is a lot.

1120
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,079
Look, you can go to b
Ja's and buy all this stuff in bulk

1121
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:26,399
for he's cannabis whatever. It wasn't
actively hurting anybody at the time. I

1122
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,520
mean, we don't need to litigate
the Monts. No, no, no,

1123
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:34,199
no, I'm just saying that,
but yeah, that isn't Look unless

1124
01:13:34,199 --> 01:13:38,319
you were buying it for your whole
block. Look, if he needs to

1125
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:41,039
sell it because he didn't get like
the max contract he was looking for,

1126
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:46,079
like you gotta just does his side
hustle. Yeah, I mean, like,

1127
01:13:46,119 --> 01:13:50,199
I don't know what Thomas Bryant gets
if there's a huge market for him,

1128
01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:54,359
but like maybe you can get him
on a men deal or like to

1129
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:57,560
that point. They are a team
that can't afford to go offense first and

1130
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,319
basically whatever they do. Yeah,
yeah, I mean they are the good

1131
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:04,439
thing for them is that they are
one of the few teams where wing is

1132
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,720
not a huge need for them,
So while everyone else is fighting over the

1133
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,239
same like six mid level targets,
they might be able to swoop in and

1134
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:20,760
steal someone like a Brent Forbes.
Maybe Oh okay, there I thought about

1135
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,680
what was the other So one of
the things I thought about, I don't

1136
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,479
know if the non text players level
is enough to get him out of San

1137
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:30,359
Antonio. Balanie Walker Walker, Yeah, would be interesting here, like someone

1138
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,479
they could talk all right, he's
like big enough to where we can move

1139
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,159
him around, but like he is
someone who is comfortable like getting shots up

1140
01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:42,039
and putting a ball on the floor, right, yeah, yeah, Mali

1141
01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:45,560
Brunk too. I'll name him as
like if you're looking for just a pure

1142
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,479
shooter again, I want like would
they have the stomach and how much does

1143
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:53,520
he cost? Like Joe Ingles,
when's he coming back next year? He

1144
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,880
could slow it down for them a
little bit on offense, and he shoots

1145
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,800
well. Obviously didn't have the greatest
season this past year, but still right,

1146
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,399
yeah, I mean I think well, I mean, I guess all

1147
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,119
their their biggest concern will be the
playoffs, Like, so as long as

1148
01:15:06,119 --> 01:15:11,000
he's back by then. But you
mentioned the bench is pretty thin, so

1149
01:15:11,079 --> 01:15:14,560
I think the point one of the
like, you know, you want to

1150
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,960
round out the roster and like make
sure you're not playing Fred van Fleet thirty

1151
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,800
eight minutes in late November, so
they get to the playoffs and aren't totally

1152
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:25,039
gas already. Who do you think
to rap up here? Is more likely

1153
01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:31,520
assign an extension Fred van Fleet or
Pascal siakam ooh uh, Siakam is eligible

1154
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:35,319
for a much bigger extension than van
Fleet, right, Yeah, because he

1155
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:41,600
makes a lot more money. It's
off his number. I actually think it

1156
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,920
is probably fair market value for Fred
van Fleet. But he's got to be

1157
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,039
looking at like he has his player
option next year, and there will be

1158
01:15:49,079 --> 01:15:53,239
teams that there will be a team
that would probably max Fred van Fleet next

1159
01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:57,079
year. So I guess is that
he of the two would be less likely

1160
01:15:57,159 --> 01:15:59,840
to accept an extension. But if
you're going to extend Siakam off of his

1161
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:02,199
what is he making. He's at
thirty five point four next year, in

1162
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:05,600
thirty seven point nine in twenty twenty
three, twenty twenty four. Yeah,

1163
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,439
so that's probably I mean, it
might not be his full max, but

1164
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:15,079
that will be close enough that there
actually might be some And again frankly like

1165
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,039
not knowing what the new CBA is
gonna bring and not knowing just how high

1166
01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:23,439
the CAAP is gonna spike at twenty
five, Like, I think if you've

1167
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,560
got guys who you feel comfortable building
around for the next four or five years,

1168
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,680
you should try to lock them in
as soon as humanly possible, Because

1169
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,079
I think most agents are going to
say, like let's wait a year or

1170
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:35,359
two, like we've got a big
pay day coming around the corner. Yeah,

1171
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:39,720
And that's why I'm almost positive,
because van Fleet's probably in for more

1172
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,319
money even before that windfall. Sakham
is the one I would look at and

1173
01:16:43,319 --> 01:16:46,279
he I'd be comfortable extending him if
I'm Toronto and I think feel like the

1174
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:50,199
number he could wind up at from
here is probably actually one that might be

1175
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:55,640
sort of mutually okay, like that
middle ground, right right, yeah,

1176
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,800
because I mean again, like it's
going to kick in in twenty four,

1177
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,880
twenty five, so most of the
extension will be under the new TV deal

1178
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:08,079
cap numbers, so whatever, you
know, whatever the cap rises to.

1179
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:13,760
Like even if Sam is making forty
plus million, if the CAP's one hundred

1180
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,039
and seventy, yeah, he's he's
all of a sudden making like less than

1181
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:21,079
twenty five percent of the cap,
even though he'd be Is he a thirty

1182
01:17:21,119 --> 01:17:27,199
five percent guy after or is he
still thirty? Uh? He might?

1183
01:17:27,319 --> 01:17:29,239
I think he might still be thirty. I know he's been No, he's

1184
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:30,720
got to still be thirty, I'll
check, really right, yeah, because

1185
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,880
he was twenty sixty yeah, yeah, so he'd be Oh so maybe m

1186
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:41,039
does he wait two years to become
a thirty five percent guy? Is the

1187
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:43,720
other question? Well, but he
would have to sign up. You could

1188
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,840
do a shorter extension. Yeah,
that's true. Maybe that's way. Yeah,

1189
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:50,640
and that would work out for both
sides then too, because if he's

1190
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:55,800
worth if he's in a position to
get the full boat when his contracts up,

1191
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,920
then great. That means he's played
like fantastically for you, right right,

1192
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:03,039
right right, Yeah. I mean
again, like, I'm gonna write

1193
01:18:03,039 --> 01:18:06,640
about this at some point because I
think it is a point worth hammering home,

1194
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,760
like over our heads for the next
three years. Yeah, extensions normally

1195
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,039
aren't worth it to begin with,
based off the races you could get,

1196
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:15,560
but there are still a few.
I think Siakam's is one, even with

1197
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,920
the TV money coming around. That's
one that I just find interesting. And

1198
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,279
if he was willing to sign out
for longer, it works out better for

1199
01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:25,880
Toronto. Anything else on this team, anyone else that you thought of for

1200
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,520
them as a free agent, I
one of the free agents I didn't want

1201
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:30,960
to mention. I was afraid to
kick around his idea. I deleted it

1202
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,760
from my note. Oh I thought
about Jon Smith for this team. Too.

1203
01:18:34,119 --> 01:18:36,880
I was like, they want a
shot well in Indiana, Like,

1204
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,680
let's just let's give it a go. They like developmental project, they dance

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to be of their own drum.
But yeah, because Indiana's limited, they

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can only offer him like not a
ton of money, right. I just

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don't he would be back there anyway, because I don't know who's downing down

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the door to sign Jon Smith.
But I feel like I shouldn't be allowed

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talk about the Raptors because I just
assume that they'll try anything. Is basically

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where I'm at this point. I
know it's imagine having a coach and executive,

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well executive a lot of teams have, but a coach who is willing

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to play young players and experiment during
the regular season. It's a novel concept

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for you and I especially Brian.
Are you able to tell everybody where they

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can find you in the great work
that you do? Yes, Well,

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thank you again for having me.
You can find me on Twitter at b

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to pork that's t O p O
r e K. You can find my

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stuff on Forbes Sports. Gonna have
a lot about the Sixers. Have written

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a ton about James Harden's contract and
blah blah, blah. I've got non

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taxpayer targets, not have taxpayer targets
for them, and they'll have some like

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general once we hit a loll I've
got some general new CBA thoughts to unload

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in August, so stay tuned there. I would be caring you to come

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on and talk about those. I'm
excited for that. Yeah, I mean

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because again, like the Supermax is
got a change. I think I wonder

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if some of these extension rules change. I'm just curious how all this plays

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out over the next year or two. And you can find my podcast,

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the NBA podcast Wherever podcasts about Yes
check that out. Him and more are

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great. Thank you so much for
coming on, especially because we've been staying

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to about ten to twelve minutes a
team, and you and I did naturally.

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01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,319
I think it was twenty minutes the
team at this point. But this

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was great. Thank you so much, and we will talk to you so

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and BT until next time. We
leave everyone with the shout out to the

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one, the only, the legendary, the conference finalist. It could be

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a free agent, but he won't
be because his team is going to be

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smart enough to guarantee a salary.
Frank Rochino,