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This is Later with Lee Matthews,
The Lee Matthews Podcast more what you Hear

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weekday afternoons on the Drive. We've
had Solo dad O'Brien on before. You

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know her from her great work as
a journalist, speaker, author, philanthropist,

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award winning documentarian as well and acclaimed
director of some of those popular and

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influential motion pictures. His work ranges
from satire and this is spinal tap to

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one of my favorites, stand by
Me Misery If you good men goes to

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Mississippi. Rob Bryner joining us.
Sola Dad O'Brien and Rob Briner have teamed

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up for a podcast that can be
heard on the iHeartRadio appen everywhere you get

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podcasts. Who Killed JFK? Good
morning, guys, and thanks for joining

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us. Thanks for having us.
Rob, I want to start with you.

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Have you been a JFK enthusiast for
a while since the day had happened.

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I was sixteen years old. I
remember exactly where I was when I

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heard the news. Everybody who was
conscious and alive at that time remembers and

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it's never left me. I mean, the teacher turned to us in class

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and said, I have some terrible
news and sent us all home from school

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and we watched NonStop. It was
a collective trauma for the entire nation,

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I imagine it was, and Sola
Dad. Since then, I must say,

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some of our journalists have taken some
of the facts and blurred them a

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little. Maybe it's complicated, you
know. One of the things that is

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a real luxury of having a ten
part podcast series within two extra episodes is

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you have a lot of time,
right and you can constantly jump off and

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give context and explain and get lots
of interviews in it. Over the last

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sixty years, people have changed their
stories, We've gotten more and more evidence

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coming out in drips and drabs.
It's super complicated to piece it all together.

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So I do think this podcast is
a real opportunity to both understand and

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what happened. Whether you're someone like
me who kind of learned about it in

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high school and you know, here's
the facts, this is what happened with

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no challenges to it at all,
or someone like Rob who lived in experience

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it has been in a lot of
ways haunted by it for a long time.

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Like people can get an end no
matter where they are on that and

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I think that was important for us
in this podcast to help everybody really understand

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by deconstructing all the details, all
the facts, and all the context historically

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of what was happening at the time. Rob Riyaner, along with Soludad O'Brien

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who killed JFK the podcast on the
iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts.

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Rob, I'm an enthusiast, a
bit of a ballistics nerd myself and understand

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what goes on in the science of
firing a gun. And with all the

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questions that were posed toward Lee Harvey
Oswald and his abilities, I'm afraid that

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was what sent up a red flag
for me right away. Well, there's

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yes, and there's a ton of
forensic evidence regarding ballistics and where shots came

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from and where they struck the President
and Governor Connolly. The next episode,

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which drops on Wednesday, we drop
a new episode every Wednesday, is focused

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on the forensics. It's all about
those forensics and what happened and when you

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study them. And I've talked to
many forensics experts who've done this for decades.

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Every one of them they all say, this is the idea that all

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these shots came from the book depository
of the sixth floor and Daily Positive.

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It doesn't make any sense at all, and particularly the famous single bullet theory,

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which we get into and we'll describe
what happened and what the single bullet

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was supposed to have done. It's
beyond preposterous. Rob Ryner, along with

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Solodad O'Brien who killed JFK, also
a lot of Enigma's solodad in regards to

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who who is the most, who
had the most to gain from all of

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this, And the idea that Lee
Harvey Oswald did he work alone or did

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he have somebody feeding him some cash? Yeah, you know that I think

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was the most interesting to me at
the beginning. Right, these things that

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just made no sense. And the
guy running the autopsy who burns the copy

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of the autopsy, people who were
who were there, who are witnesses,

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who are never interviewed by the police, I mean, it makes no sense.

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And there are so many illustrations of
that happening that I think, as

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someone who's not particularly conspiracy minded,
I just start thinking, like, how

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does this make sense? People with
completely contradictory testimonies, people who never ask

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obviously overtly important questions that they just
never get to. So I do think

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that for me those were red flags
in terms of just saying this makes no

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sense. We need to dig in
more. And you do Solo Dad O'Brien

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and Rob Briner and Who Killed JFK? The podcast available right here on our

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website and the iHeartRadio app and everywhere
you get podcasts. Rob, you are

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a story, Taylor. Primarily,
I don't know that you or any of

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your fellow professional writers in Hollywood could
have come up with a more enigmatic and

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bizarre story than this assassination. Yes, but when you put it all together,

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it's not so bizarre. It seems
bizarre when you look at it from

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the outside. But over sixty years, revelations have come in drips and drabs,

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and with many years in between.
And so unless you're following this,

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unless you really have a good take
on what's been going on, it's hard

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to put those pieces together. And
what's what we tried to do in this

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ten episodes. We put all those
pieces together to make a clear picture.

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We approach it like as if it
was a murder mystery, which it is.

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We talk about it saying it was
the greatest murder mystery in American history,

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and we look at the evidence.
We say, Okay, who had

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the motive? Like you say,
who has the motive? Who are the

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suspects, what are the forensics?
And we start to put it all together,

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and like I say, it's taken
this sixty years and new stuff is

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still coming out sixty years later.
We interviewed one of the Secret Service guys

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just a couple of months ago who
was in the trail car behind Kennedy during

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the during the assassination. He was
never interviewed, and he talks for the

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first time about what he saw and
what he found. And so there's new

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things coming out all the time,
and what we try to do is aggregate

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all the information and put it in
one place for people to understand. I'm

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glad you mentioned that. I think
I spoke to the same agent, Paul

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Landis Soledad O'Brien. I wanted to
know because after speaking with him, I

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had a lot of questions as to
the efficiency of the war and report.

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Did Jry journalism go that far?
Yeah? And we know the Warren Report

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right, it was contradicted by the
Church Commission later, so I think that

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we have seen sort of official versions
that then are not so official, are

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compromise that contradict each other, that
don't make any sense. So yeah,

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there's no question about it that tracking
it down. I mean, imagine sixty

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years later, a person who is
there for the first time is talking about

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what that's insane, that is absolutely
crazy, and really dipping into some of

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this craziness while also helping people unwind
the things that happen and also give them

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a context of what's happening in the
world. I think for us that was

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our strategy to explain it to people
who knew the story well and wanted to

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know more, and people like you
didn't know much about the story at all.

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And Rob, have you been to
Dealy Plaza to kind of see the

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scene many times? I've been there
many, many times. And it's interesting

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because if you haven't been there,
you think of it it's got to be

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this big place because such a big
event occurred there. But it's small.

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It's tiny, and when you walk
around it, and like I said,

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walked around it many times, you
can see how things unfold it. You

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can start putting together where the angles
of gunshots and where bullets entered and so

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on. And when you look at
deally positive, and you study it,

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and you've read all the books and
talk to the forensic experts, and you

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read the Warrant Commission, the warret
Commission makes absolutely no sense. It's just

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it's crazy, how how confusing,
and clearly they had a goal they wanted

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to reach was to pin it all
on Lee Rvy Oswald, and that's what

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they set up to do. They
they back you know, they back engineered

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it in order to make it work
for Oswald. But when you look at

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the reality, it just doesn't make
any sense. Rob Reyner, Soldadad O'Brien,

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I could talk to you all day
about this. Who Killed JFK's the

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