This is Later with Lee Matthews, The Lee Matthews Podcast more what you Hear
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know her from her great work as a journalist, speaker, author, philanthropist,
award winning documentarian as well and acclaimed director of some of those popular and
influential motion pictures. His work ranges from satire and this is spinal tap to
one of my favorites, stand by Me Misery If you good men goes to
Mississippi. Rob Bryner joining us. Sola Dad O'Brien and Rob Briner have teamed
up for a podcast that can be heard on the iHeartRadio appen everywhere you get
podcasts. Who Killed JFK? Good morning, guys, and thanks for joining
us. Thanks for having us. Rob, I want to start with you.
Have you been a JFK enthusiast for a while since the day had happened.
I was sixteen years old. I remember exactly where I was when I
heard the news. Everybody who was conscious and alive at that time remembers and
it's never left me. I mean, the teacher turned to us in class
and said, I have some terrible news and sent us all home from school
and we watched NonStop. It was a collective trauma for the entire nation,
I imagine it was, and Sola Dad. Since then, I must say,
some of our journalists have taken some of the facts and blurred them a
little. Maybe it's complicated, you know. One of the things that is
a real luxury of having a ten part podcast series within two extra episodes is
you have a lot of time, right and you can constantly jump off and
give context and explain and get lots of interviews in it. Over the last
sixty years, people have changed their stories, We've gotten more and more evidence
coming out in drips and drabs. It's super complicated to piece it all together.
So I do think this podcast is a real opportunity to both understand and
what happened. Whether you're someone like me who kind of learned about it in
high school and you know, here's the facts, this is what happened with
no challenges to it at all, or someone like Rob who lived in experience
it has been in a lot of ways haunted by it for a long time.
Like people can get an end no matter where they are on that and
I think that was important for us in this podcast to help everybody really understand
by deconstructing all the details, all the facts, and all the context historically
of what was happening at the time. Rob Riyaner, along with Soludad O'Brien
who killed JFK the podcast on the iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts.
Rob, I'm an enthusiast, a bit of a ballistics nerd myself and understand
what goes on in the science of firing a gun. And with all the
questions that were posed toward Lee Harvey Oswald and his abilities, I'm afraid that
was what sent up a red flag for me right away. Well, there's
yes, and there's a ton of forensic evidence regarding ballistics and where shots came
from and where they struck the President and Governor Connolly. The next episode,
which drops on Wednesday, we drop a new episode every Wednesday, is focused
on the forensics. It's all about those forensics and what happened and when you
study them. And I've talked to many forensics experts who've done this for decades.
Every one of them they all say, this is the idea that all
these shots came from the book depository of the sixth floor and Daily Positive.
It doesn't make any sense at all, and particularly the famous single bullet theory,
which we get into and we'll describe what happened and what the single bullet
was supposed to have done. It's beyond preposterous. Rob Ryner, along with
Solodad O'Brien who killed JFK, also a lot of Enigma's solodad in regards to
who who is the most, who had the most to gain from all of
this, And the idea that Lee Harvey Oswald did he work alone or did
he have somebody feeding him some cash? Yeah, you know that I think
was the most interesting to me at the beginning. Right, these things that
just made no sense. And the guy running the autopsy who burns the copy
of the autopsy, people who were who were there, who are witnesses,
who are never interviewed by the police, I mean, it makes no sense.
And there are so many illustrations of that happening that I think, as
someone who's not particularly conspiracy minded, I just start thinking, like, how
does this make sense? People with completely contradictory testimonies, people who never ask
obviously overtly important questions that they just never get to. So I do think
that for me those were red flags in terms of just saying this makes no
sense. We need to dig in more. And you do Solo Dad O'Brien
and Rob Briner and Who Killed JFK? The podcast available right here on our
website and the iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts. Rob, you are
a story, Taylor. Primarily, I don't know that you or any of
your fellow professional writers in Hollywood could have come up with a more enigmatic and
bizarre story than this assassination. Yes, but when you put it all together,
it's not so bizarre. It seems bizarre when you look at it from
the outside. But over sixty years, revelations have come in drips and drabs,
and with many years in between. And so unless you're following this,
unless you really have a good take on what's been going on, it's hard
to put those pieces together. And what's what we tried to do in this
ten episodes. We put all those pieces together to make a clear picture.
We approach it like as if it was a murder mystery, which it is.
We talk about it saying it was the greatest murder mystery in American history,
and we look at the evidence. We say, Okay, who had
the motive? Like you say, who has the motive? Who are the
suspects, what are the forensics? And we start to put it all together,
and like I say, it's taken this sixty years and new stuff is
still coming out sixty years later. We interviewed one of the Secret Service guys
just a couple of months ago who was in the trail car behind Kennedy during
the during the assassination. He was never interviewed, and he talks for the
first time about what he saw and what he found. And so there's new
things coming out all the time, and what we try to do is aggregate
all the information and put it in one place for people to understand. I'm
glad you mentioned that. I think I spoke to the same agent, Paul
Landis Soledad O'Brien. I wanted to know because after speaking with him, I
had a lot of questions as to the efficiency of the war and report.
Did Jry journalism go that far? Yeah? And we know the Warren Report
right, it was contradicted by the Church Commission later, so I think that
we have seen sort of official versions that then are not so official, are
compromise that contradict each other, that don't make any sense. So yeah,
there's no question about it that tracking it down. I mean, imagine sixty
years later, a person who is there for the first time is talking about
what that's insane, that is absolutely crazy, and really dipping into some of
this craziness while also helping people unwind the things that happen and also give them
a context of what's happening in the world. I think for us that was
our strategy to explain it to people who knew the story well and wanted to
know more, and people like you didn't know much about the story at all.
And Rob, have you been to Dealy Plaza to kind of see the
scene many times? I've been there many, many times. And it's interesting
because if you haven't been there, you think of it it's got to be
this big place because such a big event occurred there. But it's small.
It's tiny, and when you walk around it, and like I said,
walked around it many times, you can see how things unfold it. You
can start putting together where the angles of gunshots and where bullets entered and so
on. And when you look at deally positive, and you study it,
and you've read all the books and talk to the forensic experts, and you
read the Warrant Commission, the warret Commission makes absolutely no sense. It's just
it's crazy, how how confusing, and clearly they had a goal they wanted
to reach was to pin it all on Lee Rvy Oswald, and that's what
they set up to do. They they back you know, they back engineered
it in order to make it work for Oswald. But when you look at
the reality, it just doesn't make any sense. Rob Reyner, Soldadad O'Brien,
I could talk to you all day about this. Who Killed JFK's the
podcast? You can hear it on the iHeartRadio Appen Everywhere podcast. Thank you
for joining me today and for joining us on the podcast. Thanks for having
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