1 00:00:02,319 --> 00:00:06,839 What is krack Alakin hardware Knockulist. There's I am Damn Valley Community without my 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,679 fantabulous co host Adam frommel i Am. However, and as always since this 3 00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:17,359 is a reoccurring guest, now super excited to be joined by Andrew Claudio, 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,679 who is from Nick's film school, but he is also the co host, 5 00:00:20,719 --> 00:00:26,320 and I need to get this right of final review you can do on Twitter 6 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:31,239 at Final Review pod spelled exactly as it sounds. It is a podcast, 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,920 and I'm reading this from their Twitter bio covering a different all time great film 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:41,560 every week and seeing just how great it actually is. Follow Andrew on Twitter 9 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:46,520 at Andrew Jay Claudio underscore that's also spelled exactly as it sounds. I like 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,200 when I don't have to spell out the Twitter handles. Again, that's the 11 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:55,399 that's final review. That is the podcast. I'm dead set on getting that 12 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:58,759 right now. We are going to talk Nick's today. Obviously, this is 13 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:00,840 the first season you that we're doing the Knicks. We have to start there. 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,920 They're my knicks. They got rid of Frankie Lookino, so they're irrelevant, 15 00:01:03,959 --> 00:01:11,079 obviously, but let's start with this podcast. So NBA Twitter at large. 16 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:15,239 I think fancies itself, particularly during the off season. Cinephiles in general, 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,120 at least whenever a movie, a Marvel movie comes out. NBA Twitter 18 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:25,560 doesn't large. What was the impetus for you to start Final Review? There 19 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:27,879 you go, and first of all, Dan at First of all, Dan 20 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,840 as always thank you for having me, and I'm looking forward to doing something 21 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:36,599 I do every day, talk about the Knicks, but final Review. I 22 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:40,799 used to do a podcast for Overtime Media, the old company that the old 23 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,280 network that John and I were at before we moved over to Blue Wire, 24 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:48,200 called Final Score, and it was just my generic podcast. Anything I wanted 25 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:52,239 to talk about I talked about. And one of John's law school buddies I 26 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:55,519 should clarify John mac Ory, the host of the Knicks Film School podcast. 27 00:01:55,799 --> 00:02:00,319 One of his law school buddies, Bernard Ozrowski, is you talked about fake 28 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:09,159 centerphiles on NBA Twitter. I will say, fine, fancied centerphiles on NBA 29 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:15,479 Twitter. Oz actually is, he's like, as we speak, watching seven 30 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,759 hundred movies at the Toronto International Film Festival. In a month, he'll be 31 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:23,479 at New York, New York's Film Festival. He'll be a tell your ede. 32 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:27,319 He watches close to four hundred movies a year, and I would have 33 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:32,080 oz On once a month just talk about movies. And we thought about potentially 34 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,000 teaming up when I was eventually going to end my old show, and we 35 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,000 thought about coming up with a movie concept that was more than just Hey, 36 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,000 another movie podcast. So we looked at the different niche movie pods that are 37 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,759 out there and the formats that are seemed to be successful, and a lot 38 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,000 of it is about going back and looking about movies that we enjoy, explaining 39 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,719 why and critically talking about why these movies are can you're great? And look, 40 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,439 you know this from having a Twitter account and you know, dipping your 41 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:08,960 toe in the world of social media, like the top five thing works, 42 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,280 So we came up with a format that forces us to do a bunch of 43 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:20,639 top fives that factors into how great a movie actually is. Now, I'll 44 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,919 now pitch this back to you because this has been my elevator pitch to people. 45 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,000 Dan, tell me one of your favorite movies, just any movie that 46 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,039 you think is really great. Not the all all time rig because that gets 47 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:35,520 a big difficult for people to narrow it down. But one of your favorite 48 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:42,319 movies Eddie. Okay, I don't know if that would qualify for a review, 49 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,719 but Eddie, my actual favorite movie of all time is probably Interstellar Interstellar. 50 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:54,400 Interesting, you're judging me only because I'm not judging only because of how 51 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:59,280 we I'm surprised you had me on after the way we dismissed Interstellar on The 52 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,960 Dark Knightpie. But it's actually good that you mentioned two movies. So how 53 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,599 in the world would we ever compare Interstellar to Eddie? Right, these are 54 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:11,680 two different movies. You might think Eddie is better than an Interstellar. Somebody 55 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,479 else might think that Eddie's better than an Interstellar. So what we've decided to 56 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:19,839 come up with is a ranking system of ten different top five categories. So 57 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,360 let's start with Eddie. Is Eddie a top five Whoopi gold Whoopi Goldberg film? 58 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:29,360 Is it a top five basketball movie? Is it a top five New 59 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:32,680 York movie? Is it a top five Frank Glangella movie? Is it a 60 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,720 top five John Sally movie? You know, Like the list goes on, 61 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,759 We go through ten different categories, and if it's like the number one in 62 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,120 a category, it gets five points. If it's number four, then it 63 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,480 gets two points. If it's off the list, obviously get zero. And 64 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:54,759 your score at the end of all ten categories is the percentile in which it 65 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,399 ends up in the film pantheon. So, for example, Interstellar is obviously 66 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:01,759 gonna have a high. I'm gonna guess if in my pantheon would have a 67 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:06,120 higher score than Eddie. So if Eddie has like twenty two out of fifty 68 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:12,120 and Interstellar has like thirty six out of fifty, interstellars in the seventy second 69 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,360 percentile, which you could say, okay, it's in like the top seventy 70 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,680 two percent of all time great movies. There's only twenty eight great movies better 71 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,079 potentially if you told me it's the twenty eighth greatest movie of all time. 72 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,959 That's the formula, and it's proof of concept that we've seen so far that 73 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,879 we did a movie in the Social Network that I love and it's in my 74 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:38,040 top twenty all time, And when we went through the concept, it had 75 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,079 eighty percent of the on the pantheon scale, and so on and so forth. 76 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:46,199 It does not like The Dark Night and it's much lower on his score. 77 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,560 And then when we went to the scale, it proved like okay, 78 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,959 yeah, This is in the bottom twenty two percent of the all time great 79 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,160 movies. And it's not necessarily ranking all the movies. It's ranking all of 80 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:00,839 the Hall of Fame movies. It's like we went to the basketball Hall of 81 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:05,000 Fame and we're ranking the Hall of Famers as such. So that's the concept. 82 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:10,040 We've done three movies so far. We have one hundred and fifty already 83 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:14,600 planned out into the next couple of years. And you know, we give 84 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:16,800 you guys a hint. On the end of every episode, we play the 85 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,480 score of what the next week's episode will be. And it's it's a labor 86 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:25,480 of love. As somebody who does love movies, and I'm paired with somebody 87 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:29,360 who covers movies for a living, and I think I think your listeners would 88 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,839 really enjoy it. And you tease any things that are planned into the distant 89 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:38,639 future. So I will say in October we have a couple of horror movies 90 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:44,279 plans, which makes sense Halloween, when West Side Story comes out, we 91 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,120 might be doing a couple of Spielberg movies. The problem is that we literally 92 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:51,439 just did a Steven Spielberg movie. He's done a lot of great movies. 93 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:55,759 Dan Steven Spielberg ever heard of all? Yeah? I know, right? 94 00:06:56,199 --> 00:07:00,279 Is that I know that guy, little known indie act, indie director enough, 95 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:02,839 so we might do a Spielberg month. We might do a rom com 96 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:08,759 month during the Oscars. Next year, we're gonna do just Best Picture winners 97 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,959 in for the entire month of the Oscars, and then the night of the 98 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,600 Oscars after it wins, you will then start a week of the Best Picture 99 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:23,360 winner is what will cover that week. See we have some themed months, 100 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:27,839 but I mean, look, we're talking about one hundred and fifty of movies 101 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:31,480 that qualify, which I should say the qualifications are threefold. So you have 102 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:38,480 to hit two of three checkpoints that I believe actually mattered towards evaluating a movie. 103 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,240 So you have to be successful commercially, so at the box office, 104 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:47,079 you had to gross at least one hundred million dollars. Critically, so you 105 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,959 had to be at least certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, which I think is 106 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,959 like a seventy five eighty percent and up. And then acclaim prestige, so 107 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,120 the industry has to think you're gate. So you have to be nominated for 108 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,800 at least one Academy Award so you hit two of those three checkpoints, you're 109 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,519 eligible for our podcast. That was actually gonna be My next question is how 110 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:11,600 you determine, like what movies you're actually going to look at before going into 111 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,759 those those details. How are you going to handle new movies? New movies? 112 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:22,319 So we wanna thankfully we're set for a while, you know, and 113 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,920 like of the recent movies that have come out, we want to objectively not 114 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,519 have a recency bias. So I will say this week, we're doing Quentin 115 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:39,120 Tarantino's pulp fiction on the pod, and he had a really good movie come 116 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,960 out in twenty nineteen, and I think it's gonna be in my top five 117 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,799 for Quentin Tarantino Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Rather than do pulp Once 118 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:52,279 upon a Time in Hollywood on the podcast, will do pulp fiction, which 119 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,759 will give us an excuse to say some thoughts about a new movie. So 120 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,559 it's actually interesting that you also mentioned new movies. That leads to why we 121 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:09,120 picked each movie each week. So Shang Chi the most recent MCU film. 122 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,919 That week, we did The Dark Night because it's a superhero movie. So 123 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,679 when Top Gun Colin Maverick, the sequel to Top Gun, comes out eventually 124 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,840 that week, will do Top Gun. When the Ghostbusters sequel the I guess 125 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,879 it's technically a remake, although it's technically also a sequel, I guess because 126 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:31,559 there's been three Ghostbuster sequels, that sounds about right for that franchise. But 127 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:35,399 when the new Ghostbusters comes out, we will do the original Ghostbusters. Every 128 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,159 movie each week will coincide with an upcoming release, at least, like we 129 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,840 were gonna do a Clint Eastwood movie, but we already had the schedule planned 130 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:48,879 out for cry Macho, So when he does another ninety minute movie next year, 131 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,519 we'll obviously pick a pick a movie then, but like fourth of July 132 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:58,360 next year, we'll do either Independence Day or Jaws from May the fourth, 133 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,919 whatever date at episode is close to me. The fourth we will do a 134 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:07,679 Star Wars episode. So yeah, that's how we decide the new movies. 135 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,000 If anything, help us decide which movie we're gonna talk about each week, 136 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:16,279 and if something is clear and it catches the zeitgeist, like I will say, 137 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,559 the most recent movie we are doing pretty soon, Avengers Endgame is on 138 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:26,279 the list. It's the most successful movie ever, so it felt important to 139 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:30,799 at least address what the MCU has done to the industry, whether that be 140 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,799 positive or negative. So yeah, that's at least how we're gonna handle new 141 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,440 movies. Does there have to be a threshold of time to pass before your 142 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,919 end game? As an example that's been out, was that twenty nineteen? 143 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,799 Is that when that Yeah, two thousand nineteen, are you waiting two years? 144 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:46,919 Is it a year? Like? If it's like, what is the 145 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:54,440 necessarily? Not necessarily? So like Moonlight is on our list, there's some 146 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,960 movies. So there's some movies from the twenty tens, I should say that 147 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,200 are on our list. We we have a happy balance of movies in the 148 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,799 twenty tens, movies that go back to the nineteen fifties, potentially part of 149 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:11,120 the Criterion collection. We did want to stick to like movies we know people 150 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:15,559 have seen. So right now we're sticking with like one best picture or we're 151 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,960 critically acclaimed that the box office, as well as as at the oscars before 152 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:24,799 we go to like the hidden gems that a lot of people might not have 153 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:31,159 seen. You know, yeah, we have no gap on whether or not 154 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,399 people we have no you don't have to. It's not like the Hall of 155 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,039 Fame where you have to wait five years to want to be elisible for our 156 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,720 podcast again, like the obvious ones like Endgame, we're gonna put on the 157 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,320 pod, But Parasite, the Best Picture winner from that year, we might 158 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,039 wait. You know, it's not on the schedule just yet. Yeah, 159 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,039 that's how we're handling that. The three episodes you've done so far as of 160 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,039 this recording are the Social Network, the Dark Night one, which is the 161 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,639 one I listened to that was that was fantastic, The Raiders of the Lost 162 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,759 Raiders of the Lost art excuse me? Was your third episode. I have 163 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,840 seen all of those movies. Yeah, you could tell how you're catering to 164 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,799 the mainstream right now. I guarantee you I've seen pulp fiction I've not seen 165 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,960 once upon a time in Hollywood. Do you there in me? I'm the 166 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,519 worst with movies. I'm just the absolute worst. So I look forward to 167 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:22,399 learning about movies that I probably won't see and then listening to your podcast. 168 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:28,120 Is there anything you've run the gamut of these guest spots, anything that no 169 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,440 one has asked you about this podcast or that you haven't talked about this podcast 170 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,440 that you'd like to get off to your chest. And to the thousands of 171 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:39,159 people that are in rapture right now. This is the moment I want to 172 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,039 add on to what you just said. First of all, that like you, 173 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:46,039 there's movies you haven't seen, and there are gonna be a lot of 174 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,919 movies we mentioned throughout the episodes that people might not have seen, and a 175 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:54,279 part of it is that the movies we might discuss they like. So for 176 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,519 the social network, when we talked about are This Dark Night, we talked 177 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:03,200 about the Christopher Nolan movies. My number one Christopher Nolan movie isn't eligible for 178 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,039 this show. It's called The Prestige Huge. There you go, Huge Jackman. 179 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,399 Well, so a lot of people haven't and a lot of people don't 180 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:15,200 know the ending to that movie. Huge Jackman. Christian Baiale their magicians and 181 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,399 they're competing to in like early nineteen hundreds to figure to find out who can 182 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:26,399 have the best magic trick. And it's a wild Christopher Nolan type movie with 183 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:33,000 a ridiculously great ending with a pretty cool message as well. People might not 184 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,879 have seen that, And so we have a letterbox account that each week we 185 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,279 update with all the movies that were mentioned throughout the pod, which then will 186 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,039 show you where you can find all these movies. So that's at least what 187 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,120 I would say to people. Don't be intimidated if you hear thirty movies throughout 188 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:54,320 an episode and have no idea like what we're talking about will cover. We'll 189 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:00,279 mention something about the movie that might not be seen and where you can find 190 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,600 it, and then you know, go to our letterbox. You can find 191 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:07,279 it there. The only thing I would add, as far as haven't been 192 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:13,480 asked yet, like the whole spirit of the podcast is not like we're the 193 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,519 authority on what belongs in the Hall of fame, what belongs, what should 194 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:24,639 be considered great over what isn't. This is all about like subjectivity, like 195 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:30,159 I'd like other people or objectivity, excuse me. We would like people to 196 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:35,480 come up with their own scores based off of the concept. So, like 197 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,919 I'll be honest with you, Dan, Interstellar not one of my all time 198 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:43,519 favorite movies, but like that doesn't mean like it's bad. It just means 199 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,799 that you like a movie more than I do. We want people to come 200 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:50,639 up with their own panteons, which I think, as in Twitter, hot 201 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:54,200 take culture has kind of been lost when it comes to movies. It's either 202 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:58,639 this was great, this was bad, and there's no like. Some people 203 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,200 might like it and sometimes some people don't. I won't share movie opinions, 204 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,799 and just and Interstellar would be a perfe examples. I know people it seems 205 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:07,360 like a movie you either love or hate. But I think with me, 206 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:11,399 I'm a sucker. If you throw space or time travel. I'm fascinated with 207 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,759 that stuff. I don't care how many plot holes are in it. That's 208 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,639 just gonna that's going to speak to me on a very profound level. So 209 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:20,039 best case, best example of this, there was a movie that came out 210 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:26,600 two years ago called Cats. Have you heard of It's Cats Like it's the 211 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:31,360 Broadway play. They had the digital They did a CGI version of Cats. 212 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,080 It came out on Christmas in twenty nineteen. It's one of the biggest box 213 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 office flops ever. Had a budget of over two hundred million, made like 214 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:41,960 sixty million at the box office. It was my worst movie of twenty nineteen 215 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,039 when I did my rankings that year. My mom loves that movie. I 216 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,279 was able to like. The easiest Birthday present ever was to get her Cats 217 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:56,000 on Blu ray and DVD. Like there are very few movies on Rotten Tomatoes 218 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,240 that have a zero, there's something for somebody, and even not even well 219 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,600 okay, I think, I mean, I have to check. I don't 220 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:06,120 think that has a zero, though, to be honest, Cocktail might have 221 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,360 a zero. And now that I'm thinking about it, the point is there's 222 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:14,519 an audience for pretty much every movie. Like there's very few movies that have 223 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,759 made zero dollars because nobody liked it. It's probably because it hasn't been seen 224 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:22,799 and nobody distributed it. And as a result, like I would like it 225 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:30,279 this podcast to be a portion of the movement that let's just get back to, 226 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,480 Like if you liked it, good for you. I'm glad you enjoyed 227 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,200 it. Like something I learned during the pandemic was like, let people enjoy 228 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:41,879 things. So when Zack Snyder releases a four hour cut of a movie that 229 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,799 wasn't good and made it still not just like not bad, you know, 230 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:51,000 I don't have to just rush to hate on the four hour Batman, Superman, 231 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,799 Dawn of whatever, the Snyder cut. I don't have to rush to 232 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,000 go hate on that. I can let people enjoy that movie and be like, 233 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:00,480 Okay, I'm glad you have that for you and I will never watch 234 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:07,680 it again. Are you really quickly? Are you rewatching these movies right before 235 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:14,720 you record? To an extent? So we record every either Tuesday or Wednesday 236 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:18,519 before pod comes out on Thursday. I watched, so I've already watched pulp 237 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:22,160 Fiction for next week's pod, and then it sets me up for like a 238 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,960 week of rewatching Tarantino movies. So yes, we rewatched the movies before we 239 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:30,279 record, but it's one of many movies I'll watch in preparation for the show. 240 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,599 In the vein of hoop idea, here's a podcast idea as someone who 241 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,960 would actually pay for this, there should be a Patreon where based off maybe 242 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,359 I score movies and have my all time great you should be able to pay 243 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:48,480 to have a Patreon podcast about maybe my top five of all time for you 244 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:52,559 guys to discuss it. I think people would be okay, might not show 245 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,200 up in your feed. They're not your rankings, they don't go with the 246 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:57,160 motif and what you guys are running. I'm just saying down the line, 247 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,480 as some I would pay for that. Oh so what all ad Dan is 248 00:18:02,519 --> 00:18:07,359 that every week after we announced the movies, we put our categories up like 249 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,599 obviously not like to in reference to us, but we put during the week 250 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,640 this past week, what are your top five Harrison Ford performances? What are 251 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,960 your top five Steven Spielberg movies? What were your top five movies of the 252 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,200 eighties? You know during Nolan, we could do the same thing for Christopher 253 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,039 Nolan in superhero movies, in Christian Bale and so on and so forth. 254 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:33,640 So there is participation a loud if you go Final Follow Review, Follow Review, 255 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,319 Final Review Pod, which, by the way, thank you for dropping 256 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,880 the like the Justin Simberlake says in the Social Network, it's not the final 257 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,839 review Todd I said it once before we recording. He yelled at me because 258 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,680 you mentioned I've gone through the gambit of these guest spots. You know how 259 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,519 many people have introduced it as he's the host of the Final Review podcast. 260 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:56,759 It's just Final Review cleaner. Like the Social Network could be fair, they 261 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,599 might not be attaching the two final review in that scenario, but it's the 262 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,920 final review. That is the name of the podcast. It's Final Review. 263 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,359 You're on Twitter at Final Review pods spelled yeah, exactly as it sounds. 264 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,839 I really enjoyed it. As someone who really only listens to sports podcasts and 265 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,559 you know, choppers in for different ones every once in a while. I 266 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:23,519 really enjoyed the Dark Night episode. I don't even remember the interstellar comments that 267 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:26,720 you made. I listen to podcasts on two time speed. For anyone that 268 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:30,880 that wonders because I'm one point five, so you're not alone. You're good. 269 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:33,960 I do some on one point five where if someone talks as fast as 270 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,079 I do it, don't even put me on. If anyone listens to me 271 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,440 on one point five speed, you're you're a fucking superhero. But it's a 272 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,160 great podcast, and it's called Final Review. That is the name of the 273 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,319 podcast. I've just gotten it right. I think I have a one hundred 274 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,160 percent hit rate so far on this podcast. I'm going to tell people from 275 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:56,960 now on, this is the this is Hardwood Knocks. This isn't the Are 276 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,960 you ready to talk some Are you ready to talk about Knicks basketball, not 277 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:06,240 v Knicks, not Knicks basketball. Yes, let's do it. So we 278 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,240 just did our report cards. I'm full disclosure, not that you care about 279 00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:11,559 this. I was waiting. We normally do them earlier in the off season, 280 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,920 but I was just like between the ship that's going on with Dame and 281 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,759 Ben Simmons. I'm like, these are gonna get so outdated if we put 282 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:21,519 them out now. Sure enough, we waited too long because nothing's gonna happen 283 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:22,759 with those guys. But so we did do a deep dive into the Knicks. 284 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,160 Doesn't necessarily want to rehash their off season too much, Which is what 285 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:33,000 were your general impressions or biggest takeaway, anything that surprised you, disappointed you 286 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:37,680 about how they they carried themselves, what they did during the off season, 287 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,000 the night of free agency, seeing that this was headed toward like we're running 288 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 it back, We're bringing the olans awhile back, Derek Rose is coming back, 289 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:51,440 Alec Burks is coming back, and the only casualty is gonna be Reggie 290 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,920 Bullock. For Evan Fournier, I was a little concerned. I think the 291 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,079 extensions that have been given out show that they were right to not even play 292 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:07,200 the let's hoard our cap space in case something comes down the road like we're 293 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,720 the summer twenty nineteen might be the last year like that where all of these 294 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,440 stars are gonna be available and you were gonna everybody attack all at once. 295 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,400 I was a little concerned that, like, okay, maybe they kind of 296 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,759 peaked last season when a lot of things broke right for them, And then 297 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,559 the next day Kemba Walker came and everything kind of fit into place. When 298 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:33,319 we ended our free agency episode O our live stream, consistently around the panel, 299 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,599 it was like, if we want them to do one more thing, 300 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,359 It's like there's still a gap at point guard. Dark Rose can't play eighty 301 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:47,160 two games, and Kemba comes in and it obviously the injury concern is there, 302 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,960 but like now he doesn't dark Rose doesn't have to play eighty two games. 303 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,039 Kemma Walker doesn't have to play eighty two games. I everything kind of 304 00:21:55,079 --> 00:21:57,960 falls into place, and like a Douce McBride can now come in and play 305 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,000 a little bit, and Manuel quickly can run point if one of these guys 306 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,400 needs to take some knights off a load management. I'm very satisfied with what 307 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,160 they did this offseason, and in this Eastern Conference where a lot of people 308 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,160 got better, you have to include the Knicks there. It's it's not even 309 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,119 biased to say that it's objectively true. Yeah, I am with you that 310 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,640 they got better. I don't think there are two things that I took issue 311 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,599 with, and the Kemba addition just changes all of it for me because it's 312 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,000 it's zero risk. I don't care that his two years are guaranteed for that 313 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:36,400 money. We're not far removed from Kemba Walker being in like the top three 314 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,960 point guard in the East. Conversation his knee could be fucked up, which 315 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 I think there and everyone I've asked about this, no one really has an 316 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:47,279 idea. Did Oklahoma City buy him out because they thought they couldn't do the 317 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:51,920 Al Horford Chris Paul rout with him and reboot his stock because of his knee, 318 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,640 or were they just honestly got afraid he would help them win too many 319 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,079 games. I think there's a there's a school of thought, and no one's 320 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:00,839 told me for sure that that's not what happened, that it wasn't just about 321 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,359 the knee, and everyone I've asked just doesn't have a concrete answer. So 322 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,319 that's on the table regardless. That's a swing you make ten times out of 323 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,000 ten. I also think the fact that he wanted to come to New York 324 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:14,079 this time around. I don't care what he said about Kevin Durant and him 325 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:17,960 in twenty nineteen, the Knicks were not really on Kemba Walker's radar. Then 326 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,680 that shows progress with how they're being perceived around the league. I think that 327 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:25,799 was big. The two things I actually took issue with I was, I 328 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,240 know Derrick Rose was important to this team. I know he doesn't. You 329 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,119 don't have to rely on him to play that much this year. I'm not 330 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,720 a fan of that contract. It's short term enough where it's not damaging. 331 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,680 I just can't picture Derek or Was having the same type of impact moving forward. 332 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,880 I also want to know the leverage Evan Fourney had to get a third 333 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:47,359 guaranteed season. That's mostly small stuff. The Derrick Rose move I still oppose, 334 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,680 even when you look at how important you look at the on off splits 335 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:55,400 last year. They needed Derick Rose. I get it. People said not 336 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,640 the Knicks Film School podcast, which I do listen to, and you can 337 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,079 vouch for that because I texted you once for not liking a trade idea that 338 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,799 I came up with enough one of your listeners acts about remember that. Yeah. 339 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,519 Yeah. People perceived this as like the Knicks playing chess while everyone's playing 340 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:15,079 check playing checkers. When it came to acquiring that next star, where it's 341 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:19,160 like, oh, these contracts, these middle ladder contracts are going to help 342 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,000 them acquire that next star in a trade. Okay, No. What the 343 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:26,119 Knicks did, and they rightly did, which I actually think was the shrewd 344 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,519 move. They decided that the star they get is more likely to come via 345 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,839 trade than free agency. When you look at how this year's class ship shook 346 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:40,000 out, how next year's class is shaping up, that was the right decision. 347 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:45,759 None of these contracts actually make it easier for them to acquire that star 348 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:49,039 because you can use cat space in a blockbuster trade. There are also teams 349 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:53,240 that if you're if you're the Blazers, let's just say, because the Knicks 350 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:59,279 have Evan Fournier's salary or Derek Rose's salary or Alec Burk's salary, they don't 351 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,880 have a leg up on anyone. Because a Portland team getting rid of Damian 352 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,559 Lillard, those players aren't necessarily going to matter to them. And I thought 353 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,359 too many people were just saying, like, the Knicks are just well set 354 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,799 up for this more than any other team. I think what the Knicks actually 355 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:15,839 did and they probably I don't know if they're a step ahead of other teams 356 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,880 in doing this. They just they have an idea of how that next star 357 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,119 is going to come, and that matters. And by signing these contracts two 358 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,960 players that can help you, you're not punting on the intern. You've run 359 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,559 it back, You've invested in what you did last season. You're still kind 360 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,400 of planning for the big picture. But unlike years past where you put all 361 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:41,200 your chips into Kyrie and Kadi coming that you've hedged, or rather you've innoculated 362 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,359 yourself against coming up completely empty handed. And I feel like that's where the 363 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:52,079 discrepancy was in how some people interpreted or viewed or evaluated their offseason. I 364 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,839 I own, well, I think that Derrick Ross context is a little better 365 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,480 than you think it is. It's two years at market value and it is 366 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:04,839 super tradeable. Derk Rose getting forty billion dollars a year after what he did 367 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,759 last year is like, that's market value for what NBA standards are today. 368 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,640 For a perenny what a guy that's gonna be TIBs his motor on a six 369 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,119 man off the bench? Why is that a bad contract? Fifty games in 370 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,240 a seventy two games season, so playing two thirds of the season basically like 371 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,240 that, but he didn't miss because of like a Derrick Rose type injury he 372 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,839 got COVID. You know, didn't have shoulder stuff going on to last year. 373 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,839 Not with the Knicks. He didn't. With he might have missed a 374 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,519 game or two with like a nagging injury, which you're gonna expect that with 375 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:44,640 Derrick Rose, his bad injury where he missed significant time is like anybody could 376 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,920 catch that, So any contract you could apply that type of risk too well. 377 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,920 I think as like when they originally signed it, I was like, 378 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,359 it's a good value, but like I don't want him to be the starter 379 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,640 now, like you're not putting as many my on Derrick Rose, which is 380 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:06,880 why you set it to start. The KEMBA piece of this changed everything about 381 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,559 this off season. Now I'm not as worried about, like Evan Fournier being 382 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,640 the only big pickup. I'm not as worried about running it back and peaking 383 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,079 as a four seed. Like they might still win the same amount of games 384 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,559 next year or close to the same win percentage and be a six seed, 385 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,160 but it still might be the Knicks got better, which I think will matter 386 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,880 when they go star hunting. And try to make that sign and trade or 387 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,039 that mid season trade, because you're not doing it from the lottery, you're 388 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,240 doing it from the bottom of the playoffs. Yeah, I think. I 389 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,559 mean, we'll get into this. We're talking about the yard players. Growth 390 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,599 isn't linear, especially in the East, and especially for the Knicks. They 391 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,200 can win. They you could tell me they're a playing team and lose, 392 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,559 but that they still show in progress depending on how much they emphasize youth, 393 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,880 Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett all that. But so Kemba specifically, let's just 394 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,000 assume he's healthy. Do you view him as a seamless fit or do you 395 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:03,880 think there could be some onset awkward just due to how it displaces Julius Rayndold 396 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,839 from the ball after he had by necessity, of course, like Carte Blanc 397 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,720 in their offense because they needed him too, Like they needed Julius Raynold hit 398 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:14,319 every single one of those difficult jumpers that he hit last season. Not oh 399 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,839 this is cool, They absolutely needed him to hit those shots. You're not 400 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,759 wrong, and it came back to bite him in the ass in the playoffs, 401 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:26,599 which is where Kembo is your seamless fit And look like I've talked about 402 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,119 this guy entirely too much for my own good and probably for his own good. 403 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:37,119 But the Knicks upgrading from Alfred Peyton is so significant, and going from 404 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,839 Alfred Peyton to Kemba Walker. Dude, if they went from Alfred Payton to 405 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:45,440 me, I don't think it would be that bad of a drop off, 406 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,920 which, like I get it, I'm a podcast I'm not an NBA player. 407 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,960 I also was not as detrimental to the Knicks last year as Alfred Payton 408 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,240 was. Also, I've seen you would have hit more three point wide open 409 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:57,920 thing. That is fair. You see me on the on the you've seen 410 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,039 me in pickup. I can shoot better from three than Alford faith Although, 411 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,400 again a podcaster not an NBA player, I get it. The point being 412 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,599 he was so bad to what the Knicks were trying to do with like Randall 413 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,559 had to run the offense the way he did. RJ. Barrett became such 414 00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:21,640 a good offball threat last year, and his point guard wasn't finding him when 415 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,359 he's wide open in the corner, after he's driving, after he's drawing the 416 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:27,119 double team, and it was only when the Emmanuel quicklies or the Derrick roses 417 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,559 were on the court and honor making your the defense, like be faithful to 418 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,680 the point guard that he might pitch, he might drive. There's options here, 419 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,960 which is what Kemba will be able to do well if he's healthy, 420 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,559 obviously, And yeah, seamless fit is the thing. I don't think if 421 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,920 he does the Alfred Peyton thing and just takes some pressure off of Julius Randall 422 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,039 and look like Evan Fourny is gonna come up on this pott, I'm assuming. 423 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:57,039 But what they're gonna be able to do now that it's not just Reggie 424 00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:02,160 Bullocks shooting, it's not just him as a jump shooter, and you have 425 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,079 a guy that can create his own shot will take some of those miles off 426 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:11,680 of off of Julius. I'm expecting them to not need like sixty five great 427 00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,799 Julius Randall games, but forty five great Julius Randall's games and a couple of 428 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,960 Kemba games and a couple of Derrick Rows games. And I'm assuming we're gonna 429 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,000 talk about the potential of an RJ. Barrett game here and there. So 430 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:29,240 yes, Kemba, I think it literally shifted everything down into its proper place. 431 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,559 Similar to like you a baseball fan at all, Dan, God, 432 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,400 No, God, No, Okay, just real quick example. A couple 433 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,240 of years, six years ago, the Mets were decent. I'm a Mets 434 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,319 fan. They were clearly missing that one big bat in their lineup, and 435 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,480 they had like a guy that should be hitting third hitting second, a guy 436 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:49,400 that's hitting sixth hitting fourth. Then they traded for a guy named Joanna Cespitus, 437 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,839 and everything fell in line. Now the guy that's hitting fifth can hit 438 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,319 fifth. Now the guy that's hitting seventh can hit seventh, and so on 439 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,759 and so forth. Kembas shifted everything down. Now Derek Rose can be the 440 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:07,400 backup. Now Julius doesn't have to be the only person that can create offense 441 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,640 in the starting lineup. And I really think it's gonna work out for them. 442 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,680 And I had written about this not to plug myself when they first got 443 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:18,680 Kemba, about the importance of him nudging the pecking order down what he's also 444 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,920 shown. But I actually don't think people have talked enough about is even in 445 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,319 Charlotte when he never had the ability to, but more so in Boston, 446 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:30,319 which is why when he was healthy he emerged as a better fit than Kyrie. 447 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:34,119 It was within the ecosystem where Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown their development, 448 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,079 Their success felt more organic, like it wasn't happening in spite of Kyrie or 449 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,920 against the grain of a Kyrie Erivan game. He is going to you. 450 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,880 He doesn't need to be in isolation, and he can hit spot up threes 451 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,599 like he is fine, and teams have to respect him because he's hit a 452 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,720 high clip of his spot up threes over the last half decade. And like 453 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,039 you said, just nudging the pecking order down is absolutely huge for them. 454 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,920 What I still do think is big and of everything they did to me, 455 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,359 and you're you're a free to obviously say if you disagree or if I'm flat 456 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,759 out wrong. The biggest double down that they made on this roster was the 457 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:14,640 Julius Randall extension, because if Julius Randall pans out, if what you said 458 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,359 is, Julius Randall is more second team All MBA than the guy in twenty 459 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,920 nineteen who could didn't even have the leverage to get three guarantee years from the 460 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,920 Knicks, which is a fine gamble to make. It's happened after one season, 461 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,559 and if he does pan out, if you're right on that, not 462 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,960 only do you have him for the foreseeable future, you have him on an 463 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,400 extension that even if all the incentives hit, it's a bargain relative to the 464 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,200 player that he is. What do you want, How do you see his 465 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:45,720 offensive game fitting within a broader ecosystem where there's more guys who can operate with 466 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,119 the ball, and to what gives you confidence? Because I know how you 467 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:54,240 feel about him, that last year was not closer to an anomaly than not. 468 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,680 You can quibble over whether he should have been second Team All MBA, 469 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,680 third Team All MBA, or missed. If the way I framed it was 470 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,119 if there was a fourth All NBA team and Julius Randall was left off of 471 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,200 it, that would have been a monster snub based off the season yp I 472 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,160 think a lot of spots at All NBA can be interchangeable. The fact that 473 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,079 positions are still involved this is so fucking stupid. So but just to play 474 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:19,599 the groundwork around coming from there, what gives you confidence that last year was 475 00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:23,759 more so a glimpse of what's to come or the player he's actually developed into. 476 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,799 Well, because there was I hate to go back to twenty nineteen twenty 477 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,599 twenty, the first year of Julius Randall. There were glimpses that he did 478 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:39,279 look good when he was going downhill, that when you got him in situations 479 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:43,640 where he wasn't just getting the ball on the wing, and you got him 480 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,640 in movements like there's a productive player. If you go look at his game 481 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,039 stats, his box scores. After they fired Fitzdale and went to Mike Miller, 482 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,200 there's like this six games stretch we were scoring thirty three a game, 483 00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:59,359 and it was like, this could be a thing if Julius Randall learns how 484 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,359 to do this instantly. I will say this because Nick Fan seemed to be 485 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:09,239 afraid to say it. I have concerns about the three point shooting, But 486 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,760 then you look at how hard he works and the like mini press tour he 487 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,960 did in the middle of the season where he went on JJ Reddick's pod and 488 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,039 Woag's pod and was on like the Jump, and all of a sudden, 489 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:24,400 Julius Randall's like a guy that is campaigning for how hard he likes to work 490 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,440 out in the off season. This is a guy that has transformed his body. 491 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:36,119 He went and complained to his agent and his college coach that he didn't 492 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:38,800 like his situation with the Knicks, and then his agent and his college coach 493 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:45,360 went and ran the Knicks. So this is now a situation where they've uprooted 494 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,320 their lives from CIA in Kentucky and built it around Julius Randall, and he 495 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,760 seems determined to now like pay it forward, to pay it back. You've 496 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,800 put this trust in me, I'm gonna now return the favor. There's a 497 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,639 leadership quality I don't even mentioned, like the stats part of it, where 498 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,559 he, yeah, had one of the best seasons in NBA, his like 499 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,320 arguably one of the best seasons for his position. Like Simmons, I know, 500 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,559 went down the whole thing of how close to Barkley he was. Like 501 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,159 the splits, the twenty four, ten and six splits that he had last 502 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,159 year. Only two people have ever done that, and it with on forty 503 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:23,159 percent three point shooting, and it's Larry Bird and Nikolayokits. Yeah, I'm 504 00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:28,880 I'm a big believer in the fact that what we saw last year was always 505 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,800 there. He just needed the right people around him, the right coach to 506 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,519 pull it out of him. And now that he doesn't have to play every 507 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,159 minute of every game, they're gonna be like, I can't say this enough, 508 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,639 Like they're gonna have games where they're not like stressed down the stretch. 509 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,400 They it's a close game. We have to put Julius Randall back in up 510 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,320 by twenty because Obie topping camp play no, Like there are other guys that 511 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,920 can run the offense for ten minutes at a time, and Julius can not 512 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,920 necessarily coast, but doesn't have to have so much tension on on whether he 513 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,679 had a good game or not. And we won't be dissecting these five games 514 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,400 that happened in the playoffs like it's any type of a sample size. Yeah, 515 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,039 And I actually think my larger concern with him probably before least seasons because 516 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,280 you saw New Orleans too. If you put the ball in his hands and 517 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,840 you give him real agency, he can make plays pass to others that like 518 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,599 you said, the three point shooting was new, he did shoot the three 519 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:30,000 point number that I'd been most concerned about, and it wasn't a huge percentage 520 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:32,239 of his threes. He shot forty one point five percent on step back threes 521 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,920 last year. He hit more step back threes than he did in all of 522 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,320 his previous seasons combined. That being said, that's a common shot now and 523 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,679 it's not far fetched to believe that he worked on that. I've actually always 524 00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:45,880 been more interested in, well, how can he be as part of a 525 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,039 larger or broader dynamic where there are other people that are going to have the 526 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,320 ball a lot, And I was encouraged he hit a higher percentage. And 527 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,440 most most players do do this, but there are guys who are hardwired differently, 528 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,880 and I think before last season he was one of them. They shoot 529 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,639 better on off the dribble threes than they do on catch and shoot threes. 530 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,480 Julius Randold did not he shot. I think it was like forty two percent 531 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,920 on spot up threes, and that there's other stuff involved. We're playing off 532 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,719 others, but that shot is huge if you're playing next to a Derrick Rose, 533 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,320 a Kemba Walker, even you know Alec Burke's Evan Fournier. That gives 534 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:23,719 me encouragement that he can actually still be really impactful despite not maybe having as 535 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,519 high of a let's say, a true usage like where it's not where he 536 00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:32,719 had if his touch time is impacted by the players around him, and so 537 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,719 I think he's more likely to fit into that type of a mold than he 538 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,400 was before. And then you talk about all he did on the ball last 539 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,679 year, Okay, that's great. They all some don't need him to do 540 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,239 that. So it's like it doesn't even matter if there's some regression there because 541 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,800 they have all these contingencies or maybe even players. If Kemba Walker's healthy, 542 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,559 I'm gonna want the ball and Kemba Walker's hands down the stretch of a game 543 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,719 more so than a Juliet if it's if it's Kemba of Old, which it 544 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,760 probably is not, but if it is. But to that point, they 545 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,519 had this nine game winning streak in April which got a lot of us a 546 00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,159 little delusional about maybe we could beat the Bucks, you know, and like 547 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:15,000 what you saw down the stretch was options down, Like in the fourth quarter 548 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,679 was okay, r J can take over for a little bit, Julius can 549 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,440 take over for a little bit, Derek Rose can break down the defense and 550 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:25,920 find Alc Burks Alc Burks or Reggie. Alc Burks said these heat checks where 551 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,559 it's like, Okay, I'm going for twenty seven tonight, and it's all 552 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,199 gonna be in the second half. You know. Statistically speaking, I wrote 553 00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:36,840 something where I was looking at the level of difficulty on players crunch time shots 554 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,880 versus efficiency. He graded out as one of the ten most efficient efficient crunch 555 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,119 time players in basketball this year. ALC Birks, that's just absolutely why but 556 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,559 please continue. If there was anything else you had to finish, No, 557 00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,679 it's just like there you saw when you had other options that it made things 558 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,480 easier for Julius. I really think the way last season, which if the 559 00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:00,239 Nicks losing seven and Julius has a great series against the Hawks, were not 560 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,320 even talking about any concerns about Julius Randall duplicating what he did last year. 561 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,800 It's literally just that they ran out of steam, because you do that when 562 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,440 you're playing every second of every game and it's close and you don't have other 563 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,159 options. You're the only primary creator on your team. And now they've added 564 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,119 multiple ones, and not to mention the other younger players that could get better 565 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:28,679 to take some of that pressure off. Yeah, I've I'm on board with 566 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,400 many Knicks fans obviously to believe that what we saw with Julius Randall was more 567 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,840 the beginning rather than a flash in the pan. And it's certainly fair to 568 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,599 be worried about his playoff performance, But I tend to think that we read 569 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:43,320 too much into those tiny samples, and that when it's over this extended period 570 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960 of time, if he's your best player and you're hitting a wall, that's 571 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,119 where you have to start asking yourself the more difficult questions. And it's Look, 572 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,920 it's with Evan Fournier, who I think has largely I mean, you 573 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,159 look at his numbers in the playoffs, Like, I just think he's been 574 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,280 unspectacular in the postseason and he's played It's only been nineteen postseason game games, 575 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,599 but it says a lot that a lot of the teams that relied on him 576 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,679 a ton have just been bounced in the first round. And so like this 577 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,519 was the first year of Julius Randall being this Julius Randall and then in the 578 00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:14,280 postseason and like you said, there were other factors being gassed the town around 579 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,440 him. I'm just not inclined to, Yes, the Hawks were the better 580 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,840 team in that series. I just can't take anything too sweeping away from that 581 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,360 five game sample size of his stingo. Yeah, I mean we talked about 582 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,360 the last time I'm here. I hate using small sample sizes to make general 583 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,840 conclusions, like the Ben Simmons arguing that we don't have to talk about on 584 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,519 this pod, but like there's a good regular season player there. I what 585 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,519 happened in the playoffs is alarming if you're trying to win a championship, But 586 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,519 a team that just wants to be a good regular season team should take a 587 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:49,960 shot at him. With Randall, like it wasn't even just that he had 588 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,440 a bad series, like RJ Barrett had a bad series, Reggie Bullock had 589 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,719 a bad series, Alec Burks had one good game and then had a bad 590 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,199 series. Like collectively, everybody was bad. So even when Julius like made 591 00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:09,000 a good pass ran everybody was missing too. I it's like you mentioned Devin 592 00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:14,519 forty in his bad playoff performances, Like yes, he was getting bounced because 593 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,239 they were the seventh of the eighth seed every year. I think now that 594 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,239 they're going to be coming at it from potentially a five or a sixth seed, 595 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:23,440 you might see this team maker run. You never know the middle class 596 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,519 of the East, like there's Brooklyn, Milwaukee, and then I don't know 597 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,760 that there's a team that's going to distinguish themselves like from that, there's like 598 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,599 an eight to eleven team pack that could be talked into. There was a 599 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,599 twenty seventeen twenty sixteen where all from three through six they all finished forty eight 600 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,519 and thirty four. Yeah, it was like all they all had the saint. 601 00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,199 It was like Charlotte, Indiana, Toronto, and Miami all finished with 602 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,519 the same record, right. I think that was twenty seventeen, maybe twenty 603 00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:52,719 eighteen. I think it was two thousand and seventeen. Though, one of 604 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,559 a podcast mid season, you and John decided to slum it. I went 605 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,440 on there and I said, I still think that RJ. Barrett is the 606 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,360 Knicks' most important player long term. There's probably more of an argument than before 607 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,800 for Julius Randall after giving him the extension. I am still of the mind 608 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,239 that RJ. Barrett is this team's most important player long term because of all 609 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,280 that he either represents as either a co star or do you think he might 610 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,880 have a higher ceiling than what Julius Randall is going to have at his and 611 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,079 what he's doing regardless, do you think there's a chance that we saw him 612 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:25,559 hit a bunch of set three pointers last year, which was phenomenal development for 613 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:30,320 him. There were times and it felt like there's no science based from this 614 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,840 my perspective. When he attacked early in games, he could really put pressure 615 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,559 on defenses, they would react, He'd make good decisions. He's shown that 616 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,079 he can kind of finish in those instances. You'd like to see him. 617 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:44,760 I think the biggest thing among others, though, will he develop an off 618 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,800 the dribble jumper. My twofold question is do you have faith based off what 619 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,199 you've seen, whether it's shots he's taken, the cadence of his game, 620 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,400 that he can get there. And this might be the more important effect of 621 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,960 this question. Do you think he even gets the opportunity to augment his offensive 622 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,199 game given the way that this team is now built because there are so many 623 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,960 players Derrick Rose, Kemba Walker, Julius Randold, Evan Fournier, even Alec 624 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,280 Burks and Manuel Quickly though I would put them on a boar tier of importance 625 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,199 clearly then or j Barretley offense. I think you could make a case that 626 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,559 the Knicks might opt to not feature him on the ball all that much, 627 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:28,320 just based off the personnel they've surrounded him with. So it's interesting you bring 628 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,039 that up, because I think RJ. Barrett's gonna turn into the New franc 629 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,119 where he's just so polarizing amongst the fan base where you can't just you have 630 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:42,960 to either project that he's gonna be a future Hall of Famer and gonna make 631 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,519 the All NBA team this year, or you have to say he sucks. 632 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,599 We blew it at number three, why didn't we get jaw And you can't 633 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:57,679 just have like a reasonable but like balanced take of I think you could be 634 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,719 the second or third best team on a team that goes to the best player 635 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,559 on a team that goes like deep in the playoffs, and this year, 636 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,440 like you could argue at points of last year, I should say that he 637 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,119 was their third best player behind Julius and Derrick Rose, that RJ at at 638 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,360 Spurts was like a reliable jump shooter, but with some issues that he had 639 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,639 a finishing at the rim and creating his own shot, you turn to guys 640 00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:24,079 that were better at it to do. So what I will say is if 641 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:30,559 he just has like the same season he had last year, but finishes better 642 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,920 at the rim like five percent, and it's just like four points better a 643 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,159 game, you're looking at a guy that's averaging twenty one a game, and 644 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,719 that's just like again five percent, like hit two more of these layups because 645 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,920 he gets to the rim. Fine, he's not getting contact yet because he's 646 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,480 twenty years old and he's not going to get the respectrum officials that you get 647 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,480 when you're older. But like, he is getting to the rim with ease. 648 00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:59,800 It's the fact that he's not finishing that's the problem. That's might be 649 00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,360 they need him to do next year because like you said, they have Kenda, 650 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,320 they have Derek Ross, they brought in Fourny. They might need not 651 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,239 need RJ to carry the load as much as the second or third best player. 652 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,079 I will say, though, like if those absolutist Knicks fans are right 653 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,599 and he does show up and like he's creating his own shot and this is 654 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,280 twenty seventeen Jimmy Butler, then maybe like this is a thing where RJ. 655 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,159 Barrett is being considered for All Star teams and is the favorite for most improved 656 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,440 player, and it's a good problem to have. If RJ. Barrett shows 657 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,159 up and has more tricks in his bag, which I think as of right 658 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:40,440 now, if he's just the same player as last year, but finishes at 659 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,960 the rim better. That's fine, and I can talk myself into him even 660 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:51,760 taking a few steps up like he did last year. I guess the thing 661 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,800 for me is I would be more concerned with I actually think there's a really 662 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,960 I think there's going to be a very good sort of point wing in there, 663 00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,440 watching the cadence of his game, looking at table setting for others. 664 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,079 I'm more concerned with the opportunity where you mentioned, oh, if he's finishing 665 00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,239 at the rim better, that's a twenty plus point per game score or the 666 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,159 same level of shot opportunity is going to be there. I'm just so fascinated 667 00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:15,239 to see how they use him within the offense there worthy I fell in love 668 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,639 with very small sample size, but like the RJ. Barrett plus non starters 669 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,840 units just destroyed so and I thought that was Yeah, Derek Ross is on 670 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,960 the court for some of those, but you also had like Taj Gibson and 671 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,599 frank Nie Lachena in some of those minutes, and so RJ. Barrett had 672 00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:35,800 more responsibility there, and so I think that's encouraging. But I do come 673 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,199 back to a sub thirty five effective field goal percentage on pull up jumpers. 674 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:45,800 I want him to be able to work through the volume on that because I 675 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,960 do think off the dribble jumpers are probably the most important shot in basketball right 676 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,360 now. And if you want him to be you know, Jimmy Butler's not 677 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,800 shooting will on pull ups right now. But if you want him to be 678 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:58,320 this upper echelon all NBA candidate long term, I think it's a shot that 679 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,039 he's really gonna have to hit. And I don't know one way or the 680 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:04,039 other. I just don't have a if I had to pick, I wouldn't 681 00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,079 be able to tell you whether I think he gets there. I'm more concerned 682 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,920 with is the opportunity for him to even try and develop that shot going to 683 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,039 be there? As the Knicks are presently constituted. Well, so we open 684 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:20,719 this pot somewhat, We'll open the Knicks discussion of like the health aspect is 685 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,159 there. I mean, the bigger question I have is the opportunity might come 686 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,960 in those load management games. And I wonder if the Knicks are if Tips 687 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:34,480 is gonna let them have load management games, you know, is he gonna 688 00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,559 be like, Okay, we need to watch. I think we know the 689 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,639 answer to that question. I know the answer. I'm hopeful that somebody's in 690 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:45,320 his ear, like you don't need to. We were doing we do this 691 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,840 game now called I Know the Knicks because it's the off season and we're just 692 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,880 coming up with content ideas. And when we were doing trivia, we were 693 00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:57,159 talking about games the Knicks one by fifteen. Can you name all the games 694 00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:00,679 the Knicks one by fifteen? Who the opponents were? And there's this Pistons 695 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,519 game last year where they're up by thirty six and the fourth quarter and Julius 696 00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,119 Randall's in playing minutes thirty six and thirty seven, and it's like, what 697 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,960 are you doing? And it's it's it's why. I hope that there's somebody 698 00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:17,760 above him that is like, hey, we've now given you some reinforcements, 699 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,119 Like we're now gonna like spread the ball a bit a little bit more, 700 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,000 spread the spread the wealth a little bit more. I think r J if 701 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,639 he takes the step that people think you a which look, imagine having this 702 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:35,119 conversation like a year and a half ago, and how much work we thought 703 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,079 he needed to do, how broken of a jump shot he seemed to have. 704 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,920 Now, look at what we're talking about can he like, can he 705 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,760 have the opportunity to flourish because what's around him has gotten better and he still 706 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:52,360 has shown signs to be a productive NBA starter. It's a good problem to 707 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,800 have, is what I'll say. I like the idea that they're going to 708 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,400 be multiple options rather than it. We're kind of fucked if RJ. Barrett 709 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,320 isn't good next year. And I mean, look, they needed they really 710 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,519 leaned into shock. Creation was sort of segue to my next topic. I 711 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,000 don't know that you could have leaned too far into it, but I look 712 00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:14,639 back at their off season. They were fourth in points allowed per possession defensively 713 00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:19,880 outside of garbage time. Last year they had basically not basically they had the 714 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,559 best three point defense in the NBA. There is nick fense. We've gotten 715 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,239 mad at me when I said this, there's always luck kicked into that. 716 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,639 I actually do think there was a rhyme or reason to how they were covering 717 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,400 three point shooters who they were letting or I don't want to say letting, 718 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,719 but coaxing into three point shooters. I think RT Barrett was actually a big 719 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,960 part of that because of how well his off ball defense improved. You did 720 00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:43,519 lose your most important wing defender from last season in Reggie Bullock. I find 721 00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:47,320 myself wondering based off the amount of cap space they had left. It felt 722 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,199 like the Kenvas stuff was in the ether, and so I'm like, did 723 00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:54,119 you need Alec Burks instead of Bullock or couldn't you? And I mathematically I 724 00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:58,480 didn't think too deeply into this, like couldn't you have just dumped Kevin Knox 725 00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:02,000 to hold Reggie blocks happold and pay him because he's I don't think he's the 726 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,079 difference between the Nicks winning the title, but he was your most important perimeter 727 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:10,840 defender. Now that shifts to is it RJ? Barrett? And that's my 728 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,679 question for him. Is he? And I think you and I've actually talked 729 00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:19,079 about this. He made strides defensively last year and especially off the ball. 730 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,519 He was just active. My concern would lie with because he's not a point 731 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,239 guard, so you're just not by virtue of not being a point guard, 732 00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:29,599 you're not guarding these number one options a ton, and then you had Reggie 733 00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:31,519 Bullock, who they would be more apt to throw on the number one option. 734 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,880 He didn't spend a ton of time guarding on ball against these really lethal 735 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,400 threats, and I think he's going to have to Now if you disagree, 736 00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:47,719 that's totally fine. But is he suddenly their most important perimeter defender on this 737 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,679 team? And is that a shaky proposition for the team that finished fourth and 738 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,559 points per possession last year? Allow, So what I'll say is that, 739 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,599 well, obviously he's When you go from Regie Book to Evan Fournier, you're 740 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:06,280 clearly conceding some defense. And I think, do you think you know? 741 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,440 I think what we saw is like the Knicks saw. I'm sure you're gonna 742 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:19,800 make me preview the eulogy of Frank Nilkina at one point, and it's frustrating 743 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,679 that Frank didn't get options, get get a chance to play under tips as 744 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,920 much as we thought he could in a Tips system. But what the Knicks 745 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,480 problem was the biggest problem they had last year while holding teams under one hundred 746 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:37,519 points was their specialty. They also didn't score one hundred points that much at 747 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:42,360 all. So I think even if r J is their primary like defender going 748 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,159 forward and shows the ability to do so, which is like again progress toward 749 00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:50,280 how hard he works and how much he works on that aspect of his game, 750 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,280 Like, I'm okay with them conceding being the fourth best defense and being 751 00:51:54,639 --> 00:52:00,679 like the seventh or eighth best defense, so that they're not the twenty fifth 752 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,800 best offense instead, you know that it's more of a balance. And look, 753 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,559 I I don't want to give TIBs like magic powers, but I'm also 754 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,719 like what we saw from not just r J and Reggie Bullock, but like 755 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,480 the whole team defended at a at a level and in a way that I've 756 00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:23,679 never seen them, any of them watching them. Watched Julius Randall a year 757 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,400 or two years ago, watched Julius Randall last year, and you'll see the 758 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,960 if there's a Tibbs, that's the evidence. Yeah, Like I didn't even 759 00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,400 argue like they lost their best defensive player midway through the year like twice, 760 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,039 like Mitchell Robinson and what he can do with his rim protection I thought was 761 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:45,239 important. And then going to Newland's Noel which a lot of nice block shots, 762 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,719 but like we saw him exposed a bit during the playoffs where it's like 763 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,800 if you just have a guy that he was so good defensively during the regular 764 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,840 season, he was ground, he was covering and picking rolls, However, 765 00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,400 what Mitch can cover I think is even better. And then with miss Hugable, 766 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,079 he is Huggable. Anarchy is how I've referred to him on defense. 767 00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:08,159 I love I love watching Mitchell Robinson because it's wonder if anarchy is as accomplished 768 00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:13,519 as a compliment or not. But Huggle was preceded so because he's not always 769 00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,039 going to make the right decision. There's stuff that's gonna turn out poorly, 770 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,079 but the amount of ground he can cover, it just almost doesn't matter. 771 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,519 Do you think r J has that in him? Though? To be that? 772 00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,519 I don't even want to come a point of attack defender because I just 773 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,079 don't think they use him as that. I mean, maybe they have to 774 00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,920 because Derrick Rose and Kimbo and Emmanuel something. I think we're gonna find out, 775 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,480 I'll tell you that much, you know, do you think he has 776 00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:44,159 that in him based off what you've seen? To be honest, I'm not 777 00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:49,599 sure. What we saw from the team last year was way more team effort 778 00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:52,440 on defense. It's a collective effort to hold the other team to eighty five 779 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:58,360 ninety points a night. And whether r J, like I'm more confident in 780 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,559 him defensively than I was a year ago, than anything else, I hope, 781 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:04,159 Which is like the biggest thing I could say about r J. If 782 00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:06,840 there's any confidence you have in him being able to do it, it's that 783 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,199 he seems to be that type of gin rat workhorse that if they're asking him 784 00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:13,039 to do it, he's going to figure out a way to do it. 785 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,079 You know, we'll see. I mean, he's shown I'm more confident in 786 00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:21,880 him being able to do it than I am and him not being able to 787 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,440 do it. Is that a cop out of an answer? No, I 788 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,320 think it's I honestly just don't have a feel my guests would be next season 789 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,360 specifically would just be no. But the improvement that he made from year one 790 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,760 to year two, and I just don't even know how much of that is. 791 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,239 Oh, David Fizdale is no longer in the building type deal, But 792 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,480 jeez, is it was I that was? I think? I know Julius 793 00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:45,840 Rando was so great, but the RJ. Barrett defensive development was like a 794 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,079 revelation for me. And so I wouldn't rule it out. And I would 795 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,480 never have said that. You wouldn't have said that with him coming out of 796 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,079 Duke You wouldn't have said it at any point during his rookie season, So 797 00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,719 there's a compliment. There's one other factor to this because I I mentioned Tim 798 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,199 Murretty, but we were campaigned all throughout last season about number six that Alfred 799 00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:09,559 Payton is their best on ball defender. My favorite game of last season, 800 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:14,480 which tells you, as we love Clyde and all the Clyde isms and the 801 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:17,800 posting and toasting and the social and dissing. He opens up the Knicks game 802 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,679 against the Nets saying, I don't get why Alfred Payton has all of this 803 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,519 slander against him. He's their best on ball defender and he's got Kyrie as 804 00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:29,320 an assignment tonight and Gyri goes out and scores thirty seven points in three quarters 805 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,480 like there was nothing, if anything. The Knicks were surviving despite how bad 806 00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:38,920 Alfred Peyton was defensively. So even if Kemba is just as bad as Alfred 807 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:44,239 defensively, then maybe they can survive with r J taking a step up, 808 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,719 like you're suggesting the one thing I'm gonna say, and maybe maybe this is 809 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:54,280 common knowledge or not. Kema Walker tries so goddamn hard on defense, Maybe 810 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,440 not so much last season when he was playing. But there's a chance he's 811 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,679 an upgrade over Alfred. But like that's the bar is. He doesn't need 812 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,440 to be in as awesome. But like the bar is there, if the 813 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,039 bars Alfred Peyton, he's already surpassed it by not being Elfred Peyton. He's 814 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:14,840 already just just blown it away. Yeah, the the RJ Barrett. I 815 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,159 got to talk about RJ Barrett for days because I think he's one of the 816 00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:20,440 most just polarizing players in the NBA. He might be when you're looking at 817 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,760 sort of the the sub twenty five non superstars, he might be just be 818 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,280 one of the most important prospects in the NBA when you look at what the 819 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,079 Knixer are trying to do. All I ask is I want to see RJ 820 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,880 Barrett lineups independent of I want to see RJ plus very heavy bench units because 821 00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:39,960 I want him to get that opportunity. So how much do you think Amnue 822 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,000 will quickly's role? This would be another player is going to be impacted by 823 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,519 what they've done. This it's like a it's a repetitive question, but we're 824 00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:51,239 talking about RJ. Barrett being nudged down in the pecking order Emmanuel Quickly is 825 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,159 playing time definitely for rookie under tips was steady, but they were just like 826 00:56:55,039 --> 00:57:00,119 moments where it was maybe Manuel Quickly should play more. What do you what 827 00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:01,360 he based off what he's showed in summer league. I don't want to read 828 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,639 too much into summer league. I'm like, no, just play Emmanuel Quickly 829 00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,119 all the time now. But yeah, how do you think his role is 830 00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,519 impacted by the off season additions that they've made. So there's two ways. 831 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,920 One is that I think they've made it clear they don't think he's the point 832 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:22,280 guard of the future whatever that means, like whether which that's how you know 833 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,480 what took it out of my mouth, like it's whether that's because Dame is 834 00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:29,320 the point guard of the future or not. They don't see Emmanuel Quickly as 835 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,719 a guy that's gonna like run your offense. It might be a scoring point 836 00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:36,239 guard like the new version of like a Kyrie or a Dame, or a 837 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,079 guy that's not necessarily a pass And obviously I'm not saying Emmanuel Quickly is Kyrir 838 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:44,000 Dame. But look at what Brooklyn's done with Kyrie. They turned him into 839 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,719 a two guard that can also like be your primarily ballhand primary ballhand, and 840 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,119 Cleveland did that too when Lebron was there, So like that's like it's evidently 841 00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:55,199 doable. Yeah, even if you want to say, like Sexton Garland is 842 00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:59,920 a better comp for that, where those are two guys that could technically be 843 00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:05,800 considered point guards and they could also be considered two guards because of how dynamic 844 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,239 they can be Offensively, I look at Quickly and I see him way more 845 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,119 as like a two guard that can run your offense from time to time or 846 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:20,119 create for other people from time to time, rather than like your typical like 847 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,760 I'm running point and running the offense and calling plays and running sets through me. 848 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:29,480 And look what we saw in Summer League was we want to see if 849 00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:31,360 you can do it, and there were spurts where he could and then there 850 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:37,320 were a couple two for fourteen games. I am way more of the four 851 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:44,360 now. Emmaneo. Quickly's best role is like being the sixth Man of the 852 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,800 Year candidate right behind Derrick Rose, Like if you're gonna be on the court 853 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,880 with Derek because we saw it work so well last year, where you're playing 854 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,599 off Derrick Rose, and then they defenses have to honor both of you, 855 00:58:55,679 --> 00:59:00,880 both your three point shot and your ability to penetrate. That makes the second 856 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,840 unit so much better and the weapon that the Knicks had last year. And 857 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,400 I'm not going to mention number six again, but like when the second unit 858 00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:13,320 came in in the second quarter, the Knicks were building these leads and then 859 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:19,280 they disappear once a third quarter started. I see that now being even stronger 860 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,079 of a weapon next season because Emmanuel Quickly is gonna have more opportunity. Look, 861 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:29,239 the load management thing, even if it is didn't like they tips finds 862 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,920 religion and thinks, oh, playing players this much is in a good thing, 863 00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,039 Say Derrick Rose and Kem Walker do miss time. You now have Emmanuel 864 00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:40,519 Quickly to step up and play a couple of games. Is your backup point 865 00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,920 guard play a couple of games as your starting point guard? And it's not 866 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,360 too much of a drop book because he did show a lot last year. 867 00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:52,079 You know. Yeah, the Knicks were a plus sixteen point five points per 868 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,960 one hundred possessions outside of a garbage time Whenmmanuel Quickly and Derrick Rose played together 869 00:59:55,079 --> 01:00:00,000 in those second that I hope still remains a staple where they don't try out 870 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:01,639 think it like, you know what, we're gonna use Evan Fournier as the 871 01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:05,199 amount. It's gonna be Derek Rose and Evan Fournier, and we're still gonna 872 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,320 use alc. Berks instead of Quickly, just because Quickly as a sophomore. 873 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,440 By the way, when you insert RJ. Barrett into that little dynamic, 874 01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,719 they were just annihilating opponents. Sample size is smaller. They were annihilating opponents, 875 01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:19,440 that's the thing. How many minutes was it? It was I think 876 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,360 it was like three hundred possessions or something like that, so not huge. 877 01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:25,000 But the Quickly Rose has a real sample, it's like nine hundred possessions. 878 01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:29,920 Derek Ros availability because of COVID sort of eaked into that. But I'm hoping 879 01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:32,159 that partnership or at least that dynamic. Maybe it's not there. If you 880 01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:36,440 want it to be Kemba and Manuel Quickly, fine, but that dynamic seems 881 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:42,440 like it's best for him. When you look at the the Obi toppin now, 882 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,079 is he gonna get more consistent run this year? And there's an argument 883 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:49,800 for it because during the latter portion of the season he looked like an NBA 884 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,760 player, which was a dramatic improvement from what he looked like during the first 885 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,840 portion of the season. However, you go into Nolan's Noel is back, 886 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,000 Mitchell Robinson is healthy, they brought Tash Gibson. Do you think he's gonna 887 01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:07,599 be sort of shoehorned into this call him a depth piece type role where he's 888 01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:12,480 just not guaranteed playing time, or if he's getting it, how are they 889 01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:15,159 doing it? Is it because they've decided, you know what, we've leaned 890 01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:19,159 so much into offense, we're gonna play like Obi Topping and Julius Randall together 891 01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,800 in the front court. I wanted them to do that, but because you 892 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,039 brought back Taj and Noel, it's clear that you're not. What is the 893 01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:29,119 path to him actually getting playing time? Is it just an injury to somebody's 894 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:30,960 you said, Julius Randall gets hurt and it's unfortunate, Because this is the 895 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:37,400 biggest argument John and I have consistently is that he thinks that he was very 896 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,880 against any Obie Topping trade for com Sexton. When that that one week when 897 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,760 there was a rumor that I think it was more floated out by Tom Sexton's 898 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:52,039 agent or by the Calves just to see what the reaction would be if Town 899 01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:57,199 sexons for Obie Kevin Knox nineteen and twenty one was the package, and it's 900 01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,320 like, yeah, if we're trading our backup for behind the guy that just 901 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,880 signed, it's gonna sign a four year extension Kevin Knox, who is the 902 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,639 fourteenth man on the roster right now, and then the nineteenth and twenty first 903 01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:10,480 pick, which I mean, I like what they ended up doing, went 904 01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:15,440 to draft, but if you get a proven guy, that what That's where 905 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:19,840 I guess we're gonna disagree on that. I was finally just not, please 906 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,960 carry on with what you're saying, so well, come back to that in 907 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,880 a second. I I thought that trading Obie. I think Obie Topping is 908 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:36,760 tradeable, especially if Julius Randall replicates the stamina that he had last year, 909 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,360 Like he can play thirty five minutes a game if he doesn't have to find 910 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,440 but that doesn't mean will be Topp and then gets to play twenty minutes a 911 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,760 game next year. The path to Obi toppin playing next year is Julius Randall 912 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,239 gets hurt, and then if he gets hurt, I don't know how much 913 01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:53,840 that hurts the team. I don't think Albie Topping steps in and then like, 914 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,599 oh, we're good. We have Obie Topping. I think he's a 915 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,880 solid backup four. And if he was on a good team, if he 916 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,880 was on another team being a starter like on, if he was on the 917 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,840 Calves and we saw what it looked like and they didn't draft Evan mobile Man, 918 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:13,119 maybe that would be different. But I don't TIB's really values rim protection, 919 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,519 and that's why there's three centers in the way of Obi playing the five 920 01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:21,800 or even Randall playing the five in those small ball lineups. I don't see 921 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,800 the Knicks going to an under Tom Thibodeau, which I want to clarify, 922 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:30,320 I don't see the Knicks while Tom Thibodeaux is the head coach ever, consistently 923 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,719 going to a lineup or Obie Topping and Julius Randall are playing at the same 924 01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:39,480 time, which as a result criminal And that's the thing. I'm with you. 925 01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:43,840 I'm with John. I'm like, I hear the argument. I'd love 926 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,960 to see it. I'm just here in the real world where Tom Thibodeau is 927 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:52,400 the head coach, like he will go call Joe Kim Noah and see if 928 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,239 he's willing to play if Mitchell Robinson, Newland's Noel and Todd Gibson get hurt. 929 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,400 Like he was like, listen, I need somebody that's a center, 930 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,880 not someone that we can shoehorn into a center. And look, the rim 931 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,719 protection is important because of what has happened to the perimeter defensive packing winner this 932 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,199 offseason. So I get that. But before they had resigned Tosh Gibson, 933 01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:13,400 I was like, you know, maybe they're actually gonna play Obie Toppin as 934 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,519 the as a backup pig, like maybe he will be the fourth big, 935 01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:19,480 which is there's a path two minutes if you're the fourth big on the team. 936 01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:23,239 He's not. He's the fifth now. And so I would agree with 937 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,719 everything you said there. I that's where it gets tough with the Knicks, 938 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,679 given what they've done. I in all thought their offseason was like B plus 939 01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:35,840 A minus territory if we were throwing a grade to it. But you lose 940 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,079 some of the focus on development with the decisions that they made, which we 941 01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:43,000 were talking about maybe a quickly or an Obi Toppin, and you still to 942 01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,559 me, whether it's for a future trade package, there is a building block 943 01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:50,480 you need to know what Obi Toppin is, and that's you can't argue against 944 01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:53,760 what the Knicks did this offseason. I don't think there's anything they did that 945 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,639 was actually bad that you can say, no, they shouldn't have done it. 946 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,880 But there's that disappointing element of I want to see more of Obi Toppin 947 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,679 to just get a feel for the player that he could be in the NBA, 948 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,000 and it doesn't feel like we're gonna get that chance, at least not 949 01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:10,840 right now. So what I'll say is that, look, if the superstar 950 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,519 trade is gonna happen, the way they happen is like the superstar says, 951 01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:18,480 I want to go to that team, and it doesn't matter if the Knicks 952 01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:23,199 play at Obi Topping minutes or not, like Obie Topping will be in said 953 01:05:23,239 --> 01:05:27,599 trade, like his development has very little to do with whether one of those 954 01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:33,840 big trades will happen as far as development is concerned. I really think this 955 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,719 is gonna sound like a knock on Obie, but I think it's more of 956 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,039 it's more of my confidence in his ability to be the backup and the lineup 957 01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:45,840 that he played in against the second units down the stretch last year showed his 958 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,239 growth and ability. I think the less less is more for him. I 959 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:54,320 think if you see him in that sixteen to eighteen minute role, which look 960 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,000 I'd like to see Julius Randall play. It's weird to say this this way, 961 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,440 but like not be forced to play thirty five thirty seven minutes a night, 962 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,599 so oh we can play more. But I don't. I just I'm 963 01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:10,960 realistic about what we saw last year. I think they know that Obi, 964 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,920 I don't. I don't think they would believe that Obi wasn't the right picket 965 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:21,119 eighth. I think Julius Randall becoming what he became changed everything and as a 966 01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:25,199 result, they're always going to focus on the better option at the four. 967 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,599 But look, maybe maybe there's here's your case for him playing at the five. 968 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,239 Timms was always much maligned for like his teams don't shoot threes, his 969 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:40,960 teams are like offensively challenged, and then last year the Knicks suddenly we're like, 970 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,400 hey, we're gonna start shooting more threes, and Timbs was talking about 971 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,679 like, yeah, I've got these guys given me charts and stats and all 972 01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:49,760 these other cute things, and like dismissing all the brock Alers out there, 973 01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,880 and like all of a sudden, the Knicks became a very efficient three point 974 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,400 shooting team. Maybe somebody says to him, hey, like we need to 975 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,920 try like going small, or when teams have like a center that isn't gonna 976 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,960 be as it's going to be more of a perimeter threat. Maybe we should 977 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:11,159 try it some time to time. Maybe that person that got tips to get 978 01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:14,400 the team to shoot more threes can convince Tips to go small. I just 979 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,960 don't see it. I don't know either, and that would be the case 980 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,639 because I don't think they took enough three pointers. They were twenty ninth and 981 01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:24,320 above the break three point frequency and they're like twenty second overall, which for 982 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,639 a team that was shooting so well on threes and you were twenty fifth in 983 01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:30,639 offense. That's how you bridge some of those gaps is it doesn't always work. 984 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,960 But if you up your three point volume, there's a higher variance in 985 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,199 the misses, but there's probably there's a higher variance in your makes. And 986 01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:45,000 so I will say the volume is the volume is what it is because of 987 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,119 the pace though, right, because they were just like the slowest team so 988 01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:49,760 as it was, it's not even so much that they weren't taking as many 989 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:54,199 threes. It's like they were so slow that they took as many as they 990 01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:56,800 could at a certain point. Right, well, I'm looking at it. 991 01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,000 They were twenty ninth and above the bray threes as a percentage of their shots. 992 01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:02,039 Okay, so it's not even a pasting. It's like, so do 993 01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:05,599 you want to know what's funny? I would probably guess they were thirtieth before 994 01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:10,760 a certain point, So before Tim's got handed that piece of paper and then 995 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,320 he was like, oh all right, sure looks like hitting war threes and 996 01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:16,760 for that much. You know, look, he couldn't have if they would 997 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,000 have been Washington was thirtieth and they had Russell Westbrook on their team and like 998 01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:23,600 that. It's a lot of that. So yeah, if they would have 999 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,600 been thirtieth, but yeah, that would be the path. I don't think 1000 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,079 it's gonna happen. I agree with everything you said on that and the jewel. 1001 01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,439 The thing that I agree with and I've thought about, but you voiced 1002 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,880 it was they clearly you don't take Obie topping. If you thought Julius Randall 1003 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,840 was gonna do what he was gonna do this year, bro, nobody wanted 1004 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,520 Julius Randall a year ago. That's the craziest part about Randall's last season. 1005 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:47,319 It's not just like a complete change from who he was on the court. 1006 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:53,359 It's like he was Alfred Peyton a year ago. To Nick's fans, we 1007 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:58,119 wanted him traded for like Nick Batum and a protected second so that way we 1008 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:02,000 could see Obi talking during his season where we're tanking. He showed up as 1009 01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:05,119 like one of the ten best players in the NBA according to the All NBA 1010 01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:11,560 team last year, and it changed everything, which is why I'm I'm not 1011 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,399 as hard on Obie about what's happened since he got drafted. I'm way more 1012 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,279 like congratulatory about Julius in what happened, right, And that has to be 1013 01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:25,000 calculus on this where you can't even fault the Knicks because it's Julius Randold did 1014 01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:28,560 what he did. He has to be like a part of that, like 1015 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,119 you. There's just I still even in the moment, and I'm wrong all 1016 01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:34,680 the time about the draft, the two players most recently that i've really or 1017 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,960 three, because I'll tell him myself here, but I'm not actually sorry. 1018 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:43,000 I desperately wanted them to draft Frankie Lakina, and I also desperately wanted them 1019 01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:48,279 to draft Shakil Alexander and Tyrese Haliburton. That Alibert and I get the SGA 1020 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:54,239 thing like, I'm not gonna be able to explain anything that happened while Steve 1021 01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:56,720 Mills was in charge. So that's fair. I'm just saying, and it's 1022 01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,680 not. It's just neither of those guys were the clear. There are a 1023 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,279 lot of people that love the Obe topping pick. I was so in love 1024 01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:05,439 with Tyrese Haliberton that one stung. And I also wanted him on the Suns 1025 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,319 too, because I thought that'd be the best fit. But that has nothing 1026 01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:13,079 to do with this. So they're looking at their rookies. Which of the 1027 01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,960 rookies, if any, do you think is going to get the most minutes. 1028 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,159 I would have without seeing anything in Summer League, I think you would 1029 01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:23,479 have looked at the roster what they did in free agency, saw the size 1030 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,920 of Quentin Grimes versus duce McBride. Seeing what the next already have in the 1031 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:31,000 guard department, I would assume it's Grimes. Then I watched duce McBride in 1032 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,640 Summer League, and I'm like, he's six two, but he looks like 1033 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:40,119 he actually defends bigger than Grimes, and he just he's more by because of 1034 01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,600 who he is, he's more dynamic offensively. Is there a chance it's him 1035 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,479 or am I just splitting hairs here, because let's face it, it's Tibbs. 1036 01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:51,319 The fact that Commnuel quickly look, come on, people say you're right. 1037 01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:55,520 Yeah. But the fact that Immanuel quickly played as much as he did 1038 01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,560 last season to play enough minutes to where people were mentioning him in the All 1039 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,439 Rookie discussion at the end of the year, where he was like top ten 1040 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,000 on the Knicks and minutes played, that was the legitimate shock. It was, 1041 01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:13,920 according to Tims's reputation, like Chris Chris Dunn was the guy that everybody 1042 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,319 kept warning us in Wolves Nation, like, yeah, maokle is gonna be 1043 01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:20,119 your Chris Dunn, a young guard at the start of Jimmy Butler's Oh yeah, 1044 01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:25,119 yeah, it's consistent, that's the thing. And I I think you 1045 01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,960 add in what the knicks like, let me just pump the brakes on Douce 1046 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,760 mc bride because I'm with you. He looked great in Summer League. He 1047 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,760 was like the reason people watch Summer League when it came at least, Knicks 1048 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:39,439 fans watch Summer League because it's Deuced Nite the Douce man come, I we 1049 01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:44,560 can't wait to watch the Deuce and like third times when John says that by 1050 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,079 the way, and that gets stuck in my head for like hours, believe 1051 01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:51,159 me every time if Deuce McBride does make it into the rotation at certain points, 1052 01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,520 anytime he does it, that video will be posted from the Knicks Film 1053 01:11:55,560 --> 01:12:00,680 School account. Don't worry thirty six pick in the draft, Like he's not 1054 01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:08,079 supposed to get significant minutes on a team that is contending. If opportunity presents 1055 01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:12,039 itself because of who their two point guards are, then that's a thing. 1056 01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:15,680 Like I've I've made the case for quickly potentially jumping in, But who's gonna 1057 01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:24,039 like fill the rotation spot is is Deuce McBride, Especially from a defensive point, 1058 01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:30,560 he's gonna be And I've apologize to you and the rest of Frank Nation. 1059 01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:34,119 I really think he can be what Frank wasn't, like an actual like 1060 01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:42,039 difference maker on offense that can be a significant difference maker on defense if given 1061 01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:45,439 the opportunity. I'm just gonna sidestep the Frankiela Keenness. I know, I 1062 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,279 know the and so we did. And I don't want to get too deep 1063 01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:51,319 into this because we've already recorded for so long. I didn't have an issue 1064 01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:54,520 with what they did in the draft. They were like the what they did 1065 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,520 in twenty twenty with the shrewd moves. There was more of that, like 1066 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,520 swapping thirty two for thirty four and thirty six, often with two extra picks. 1067 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,439 Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to see them and I knew they weren't 1068 01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,279 going to do this because of what they were trying to do in the off 1069 01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:09,680 season. I wanted there to be a bigger swing. I would have been 1070 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,319 the team that just kept Keyan Johnson. I would have been the team I 1071 01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:15,560 going into the draft. I didn't think he was gonna fall this far. 1072 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:23,439 I'm in love with Husman Garuba. That guy is gonna swallow souls on defense 1073 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,920 at like basically every single position. I don't hate what they did because I 1074 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,680 don't think that they were I didn't expect them to do it. That was 1075 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,840 my issue with the draft. Is it was just it wasn't uninspiring, it 1076 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:39,800 was less than spectacular. Is what I would say, which is which is 1077 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,840 the best way to phrase it, is it was good business. I don't 1078 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:50,399 think anything potentially high end or fortunes turning came out of it. But how 1079 01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:55,520 many fortune turning things happened in the nineteenth and twenty first pick in the draft. 1080 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,319 But if I'm this team and this is just my mindset, and I 1081 01:13:59,359 --> 01:14:02,520 know whatever about the front office, but when Tims is your head coach, 1082 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,880 are clearly not thinking in this vein because of what they did last season, 1083 01:14:06,039 --> 01:14:10,800 because of the cap space they had, because of what they free agency unfolds, 1084 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,720 basically before the draft anyway, behind the scenes, because of the players 1085 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,560 you knew that were coming back, that were coming in, it felt like 1086 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,600 you had the room to just take a huge swing because you don't need these 1087 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,199 guys right away, would have been my point. And a lot of teams 1088 01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:27,880 were afraid that Gruba wasn't going to come over, which is why he was. 1089 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,760 He fell so low. It turns out he is coming over. But 1090 01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,119 that's besides. I just and they had other selections, like they could have. 1091 01:14:33,359 --> 01:14:35,800 They still could have done what they did with number thirty two, like 1092 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,600 I would have, you know, for what they got from Charlotte two with 1093 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,319 the protections on that pick. I just I wanted to see them take at 1094 01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:46,359 least one really big swing. I don't think they did, and I don't 1095 01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:50,199 think that's unforgivable. I don't think that's the wrong decision. That's a personal 1096 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:54,840 preference that I recognize. But that's where and they didn't lose me. Look, 1097 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,800 I'm gonna be the nerve right. You turned thirty two into thirty four 1098 01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:02,800 and thirty six awesome, But that's just that's where I was disappointed for them. 1099 01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:08,079 So what if I told you going into the draft they did They did 1100 01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:12,760 none of these moves, and they walked away at nineteen with Deuce McBride, 1101 01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:18,680 at twenty one with Quentin Grimes, and at thirty two with Jericho Sims. 1102 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,279 I don't. I mean, it's tough because you're I know who's still on 1103 01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:27,439 the board now at that point, I wouldn't have said. But if there 1104 01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,760 if a trade up, which we look, I argue, if they there 1105 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,800 was the trade the swing to be made, I think they would have took 1106 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,279 it. I don't think the trade was there to be made like Cleveland, 1107 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:42,319 clearly, if wasn't going to trade context and the Dame stuff clearly hasn't even 1108 01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:45,680 been sorted out. So the big swings that were out there, I don't 1109 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:49,880 think existed. I know they were trying to trade up to get the like 1110 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,560 the thirty year old that the Warriors took. Who what's his name? You 1111 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,960 see the thirty year old? Yeah, he's like twenty five years old. 1112 01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,680 I forget his movie. No he might maybe I don't doesn't sound familiar. 1113 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,720 I'm not great with the draft names. I just know that who are you 1114 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,159 actually talking? Are you talking about? Who am I thinking of? No, 1115 01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:10,840 there's like a twenty four year old that. No, he's not. 1116 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,960 He's the guy who played in the Rim. Hold On, now, I'm 1117 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,159 gonna go back and look. I'm I'm genuinely proplasing. He's like twenty four 1118 01:16:16,199 --> 01:16:18,720 and everybody's joking around that him and Obe Topping, we're gonna be the oldest 1119 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,800 people on the team. Hold on, now, I have to look it 1120 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:30,359 up. Twenty twenty would NBA Drafty Murphy might be? No, Murphy's not 1121 01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:32,760 the guy. Hold On, once I see it, I'm gonna know exactly 1122 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,239 Corey Kissbert. There you go. Oh, No, Dwarte, that's what 1123 01:16:35,359 --> 01:16:39,760 it is. Dwarte got the Pacers took. Okay, I know that the 1124 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:44,479 Knicks were interested in Dwarte and it was like he's gonna be ready right now, 1125 01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,720 and they were trying to trade up and the trade wasn't there. And 1126 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:53,640 if the thing I respect about what they clearly are operating with with with brock 1127 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:59,119 Galler's influence at the draft, if your big board is gone, if like 1128 01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:01,439 the guys you want are gone, you aren't forced to make a pick, 1129 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,800 trade down, get an asset, even if it's an asset that doesn't matter 1130 01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:09,640 in the future. You now have to gauge, like they did the same 1131 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:14,720 thing with the manual quickly and like it turned into Derrick Rose. So as 1132 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,479 a result, I can't fault them for at that late in the draft just 1133 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:25,399 looking at what's there and saying from their own evaluation, not a lie here, 1134 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:30,079 like lights us on fire. We're not like getting that crazy about like 1135 01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:34,039 Jalen Johnson or Trey Man. We're way more interested in collecting some assets here. 1136 01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:40,279 Let's trade down, get get Quentin Grimes at twenty five, then we 1137 01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,880 like have a chance to get our the guy we always wanted, Deuce McBride, 1138 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,439 which from what you hear that's the direction they wanted to go, and 1139 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,039 like, that's that's enough of a haul to walk away with. And then 1140 01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:55,000 you even go down like fifty seven and you get a guy like Jericho Sims, 1141 01:17:55,079 --> 01:17:59,840 where I think, in the right rotation he could be fine. I 1142 01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,600 guess there were players that I was just so much higher on and like like 1143 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,720 a key on Johnson or really I'm in love with Bones Highland. Some people 1144 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,520 thought that would have been too high for him. I thought he would have 1145 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,840 been great for the next two and like I said, usmag Ruba, just 1146 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,800 because he was there, I don't. I think everything you're saying it is 1147 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,039 totally valid. I just and look, some people love Quentin Grimes a lot 1148 01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:21,439 more than I do. And I think that's also. You know, when 1149 01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,960 we haven't seen prospects playing NBA game, I eat crow all the time on 1150 01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:29,159 my NBA draft takes, So we'll have to see what happens there. And 1151 01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:32,399 again it's they're off season one. It was a winning offseason. There's no 1152 01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:38,800 argument against really what they did. So I guess we didn't really answer the 1153 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,520 question do you expect any of these rookies to play? No, Well, 1154 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:46,479 Duce McBride is the best chance if they're two injury played point guards get hurt. 1155 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:50,359 Then if one of them gets hurt, then McBride jumps right into the 1156 01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:57,159 rotation. This isn't gonna be like last year where during that brief preseason Emmanuel 1157 01:18:57,239 --> 01:19:00,399 quickly stepped in and was like, you're gonna have to play me this year, 1158 01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:05,079 Dennis Smith Junior, You've lost your rotation spot. Gotcha? This is 1159 01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:08,960 I think I'm I have a feeling what you're answer is going to be here, 1160 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,800 and I have a feeling it's going to disappoint a lot of people, 1161 01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,600 whimsical Knicks fans. Who's the player on this team most likely to be traded 1162 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,399 this coming season before the trade deadline? So you can go if you want 1163 01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,560 to pick someone they just signed for the I mean, it's the obvious. 1164 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:25,920 It's Kevin Knox like and it's just a dump. I don't know if I 1165 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,680 think people are going to be upset because that's not my next topic because it's 1166 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,000 not this big star trade. And so here's my argument, and I wanted 1167 01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:36,279 to throw it to you, is the deals that they signed. What is 1168 01:19:36,319 --> 01:19:42,279 convenient about them is they are for the following season with that team option except 1169 01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:46,159 for which obviously the three year and two years plus the team option is you're 1170 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:49,600 not impacted, but not if a star doesn't become available, like that star 1171 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,119 doesn't become available this sea, and there's a chance that you know, it's 1172 01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:57,000 not for the Knicks anyway, it's not Ben Simmons, and beyond him, 1173 01:19:57,039 --> 01:20:00,439 it's there's always someone who's next. Dame has been billed as the guy who's 1174 01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,880 next. I don't expect that to happen midstream. I would just be floored 1175 01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:09,000 if he agitated that way for the Knicks. I actually think it's beneficial if 1176 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,680 they if that, if Damian Lillard, that stuff doesn't crop up, let's 1177 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,880 say for some reason, and it won't be but if it was Karl Anthony 1178 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,039 Towns, if it was name whatever star, basically you would the Knicks would 1179 01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:26,039 want that to happen. I still feel like they need to go through more 1180 01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:30,600 self discovery here to understand why what are we mortgaging all of our future for? 1181 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:35,079 Because whatever star they trade for, and especially now, if I would 1182 01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:39,680 argue they're probably not going to trade RJ. Barrett in that star trade just 1183 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,800 because teams, if they're giving up a star after next season, they're going 1184 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,439 to be looking at his upcoming extension you want to rebuild. Doesn't make sense 1185 01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,359 to pay him at any rate You're going to be giving up a ton of 1186 01:20:49,399 --> 01:20:55,560 picks, Emanuel everything. You need to know what else you have in place 1187 01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,039 then, because it's okay, we have this guy, whether Damian Lillard, 1188 01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:02,239 whoever is Julius Randall's the number two on a title team? Is RJ Barrett 1189 01:21:02,279 --> 01:21:06,560 headed down that path? Did the Kemba Walker gamble pan out? What you 1190 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,520 know? And what are we having some of these other younger guys who might 1191 01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:15,359 not be included. So I think it behooves the Knicks for nothing like that 1192 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,079 to arise mid season because they still really need to gain a better sense of 1193 01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:24,319 self is how I frame. But they've already committed longer term to Julius Randall, 1194 01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:28,720 like whatever, But like you need to know that your unless you think 1195 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,079 that two stars are coming, that you have the ammo to get two of 1196 01:21:30,119 --> 01:21:33,920 them, you need to know what you have in place in addition to that 1197 01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:40,319 star that would be coming over in any blockbuster trade. And the thing that 1198 01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:44,960 I'll just add on top of that is like I think the Knicks are set 1199 01:21:45,039 --> 01:21:48,720 up like they have all these assets of the cap space that they've now turned 1200 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:55,079 into actual people. All these contracts are tradeable in a trade like that, 1201 01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,880 as far as matching salary is concerned. They're set up to make the big 1202 01:22:00,079 --> 01:22:02,199 move. I just I don't know if the big move is going to be 1203 01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:08,840 available anytime soon, the franchise altering move that makes you a contender, especially 1204 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:12,960 in a conference and a time with Brooklyn and Milwaukee, And I don't know 1205 01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:15,039 if the deal it's going to get them to that level. So yeah, 1206 01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:23,920 I it your your listeners might not get this because they've been fans of competent 1207 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,920 teams. This is new for us as Knicks fans. We're just enjoying that, 1208 01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:30,359 Like, oh, the season is not going to be over before baseball 1209 01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:33,319 season awesome, Like I might be able to be able to watch the team 1210 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:40,199 into into March and into April and into May. So like we're very okay 1211 01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:44,159 with just enjoying the ride with what's here and who we have. This is 1212 01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:47,039 always matchup based, but I love this question. What do you think is 1213 01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:50,720 gonna end up being their most used or most effective closing lineup next year? 1214 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:59,760 In those you know, those punchtime games. Closing lineup? Wow, Mitchell 1215 01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:04,600 ride been seen Julius Randall, Evan Fournier, r J, Barry, Derrick 1216 01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:13,079 Rose, Oh, Kemba on the bench. I just tips trust Derrick Rose 1217 01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:17,960 more. I that's my only like. Listen, it's you've said it on 1218 01:23:18,039 --> 01:23:23,479 matchups, Like there's a world where I could see it being where I could 1219 01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,760 see it being Kemba as the centers, as the point guard. There's a 1220 01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,680 world where I see neurms in the well being the center. I will say 1221 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,680 Tim's had this annoying habit of sitting RJ on nights where he didn't have it. 1222 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:41,760 So there's a world where we see like maybe they go two point guards. 1223 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,359 Manuel Quickly is hot, we need to play him. Alec Burks is 1224 01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:48,119 having one of those knights where he doesn't miss. We'll play him. The 1225 01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:51,560 one thing I'll say with confidence is Obtoppin will not be closing game next year. 1226 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,279 That's literally the one thing I'll say with confidence. You can't even say 1227 01:23:55,279 --> 01:24:00,279 like Kevin Knox will be closing games next year. I okay, fair and 1228 01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:04,279 wanted to make of that far I'm saying of the regular rotation players. Yes, 1229 01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:08,399 I will also say that the Kevin Knox will not close a single game 1230 01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,319 that matters next season, I am, and you can always say the caveat 1231 01:24:12,319 --> 01:24:14,239 of healthier. I would be in agreement with you, except I would have 1232 01:24:14,279 --> 01:24:16,880 Kemba in place of Derek Rose. If r J and Randall are shooting from 1233 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,880 three like they were last year, it wouldn't shock me if they went two 1234 01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:24,600 point guards and Evan Fournier is the guy on the bench and it's Kemba and 1235 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,119 d Rose in that situation. Maybe like maybe you said it's even r Jay, 1236 01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:30,079 but I think just knowing, I know he trusts Rose, but Kemba, 1237 01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,960 if he's healthy, I would have the same line up plus Kemba. 1238 01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:36,239 What is this is actually my favorite question that I ask every single person that 1239 01:24:36,279 --> 01:24:42,000 comes on for each team. What is the quirkiest offbeat not talked about way 1240 01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,720 out their lineup that this team needs to try. You want them to try 1241 01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,880 it. Maybe they won't try it. It could be just weve already you 1242 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,800 want to say, we already said it. I'd like to see ob at 1243 01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,399 the five. I'm with you guys that want to see it. I just 1244 01:24:55,439 --> 01:25:00,319 don't trust tips to ever do it consistently. I would line up where r 1245 01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:06,520 J and Obie and Randall and let's stew Derek Rose in, Emmanuel Quickly in 1246 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,159 there, and it's like, at certain points last year, that's what I 1247 01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:13,720 wanted the starting lineup to be, you know, I guess that's the starting 1248 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,720 lineup with like when we saw signs from Obie, it's like, let's just 1249 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:20,119 see what this looks like, because like you're literally just putting neurals Noel out 1250 01:25:20,119 --> 01:25:25,279 there to not shoot. You know, now we can actually get experimental. 1251 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,560 If they ever were gonna track quirky lineup, that's unconventional. It's it's putting 1252 01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,199 Obie at the five. Unfortunately, I don't think they're going too I don't 1253 01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:35,880 have Obie in mind, and I don't think they're If you gave me like 1254 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:40,000 an over under on minutes played, I would take the under for this lineup 1255 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,199 every single time. I would have Randall at the five, and I want 1256 01:25:43,239 --> 01:25:45,560 to see him with I guess r J is technically the four in this situation, 1257 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:51,880 but for Day Quickly Kemba and then Randall at the five get really freaking 1258 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:56,880 weird. I would just the offensive firepower on that, and I'm just you 1259 01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,640 know, you don't you lose the rim protection element of your defense there. 1260 01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:00,880 But then I'm also kind of like, I don't know, with the way 1261 01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,279 Julius Ryanold defended last year, maybe they just score enough to where they can 1262 01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:10,319 at least outscore their opponents. I'm a sucker for those dynamic lineups where everyone 1263 01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:15,199 on the floor can basically handle the ball, everyone can shoot everyone. Yeah. 1264 01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,479 So, and I think there's if you throw Derek Rose in there, 1265 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:24,159 that gets iffy, and if you throw obviously Mitchell Robinson in there, nural's 1266 01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:27,000 the well or to you can't do. I mean todsh Gibson, does I 1267 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,880 guess fire away those random corner three sometimes Let's not call him a shooter though 1268 01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:33,680 with you so, I would argue they'll never try that, but that would 1269 01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:38,520 be mine for them. So as of this recording, they're over under and 1270 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:43,800 it's so fun not having to convert these anymore. Forty one point five on 1271 01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,600 next season? Are you taking the over or under on their way over? 1272 01:26:47,039 --> 01:26:49,159 And what is your if you have to pick a record, how many wins 1273 01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:54,880 are they getting? I've been saying forty five is the number this this so 1274 01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,319 far, this off season, there's a world I can even say if it's 1275 01:26:57,399 --> 01:27:00,920 if the over under was forty five, it actually struggled. Is I could 1276 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,720 see forty four, I could see forty six next year. Yes, the 1277 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,760 East got better, but like so did the Knicks. I can't stress that 1278 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:11,840 partner them. I think they're in that four team clusterfuck, like the twenty 1279 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:16,279 sixteen season where you had four clearly inferior to the top two. You had 1280 01:27:16,319 --> 01:27:20,840 four teams. They're gonna battle it out to be the three through six seeds. 1281 01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:24,479 And look, I could even see if it ends up being the three 1282 01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,920 through seven seeds because you know, the Celtics are could be better because Tatum 1283 01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:33,279 becomes an MVP candidate. Yeah, I'm all, there's even the Pacers that 1284 01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:36,840 got better. Maybe it's at three through eight. The point being, I 1285 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:42,039 don't think there's gonna be much of a difference in record, maybe in quality 1286 01:27:42,039 --> 01:27:45,920 and talent between the three seed and like the six or seventeen. So even 1287 01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,600 if the Knicks aren't the four seed again, they were on a forty eight 1288 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,960 forty nine win paced last year. They did they got better, Like, 1289 01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:57,680 I don't see how just because their competition also got better doesn't mean that the 1290 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,479 Knicks don't also play up to that level of petition. I have the over 1291 01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,920 two. I think they're gonna end up being a forty two or forty three 1292 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,359 win team, and I have them I think it's right now. I have 1293 01:28:06,399 --> 01:28:09,760 them as a sixth best team in the East. It might even be seventh. 1294 01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,359 I can't I haven't finished my record projections. Where do you sort of 1295 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,399 them in that? Do the Celtics ahead of them as of right now? 1296 01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,479 Yeah? That defense is gonna be really scary in Boston, I think. 1297 01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:25,359 Okay, to your point, though, it does feel like I think Milwaukee 1298 01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:29,800 and Brooklyn can clearly separate themselves. I'm gonna say there's a Miami might have 1299 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,720 a chance to do it. I don't trust their offense right now. Four 1300 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:39,039 through ten eleven I think could end up being very interchangeable, which makes this 1301 01:28:39,359 --> 01:28:43,479 situation so tough. But I think I'm not as optimistic on them being I 1302 01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,800 think they'll be better. I think they can show progress. I don't know 1303 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:50,000 that I trust them too as much, in part because there needs to be 1304 01:28:50,039 --> 01:28:53,760 an element of flexibility to the way Tips is coaching. I think for them 1305 01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,039 to show that without it coming up in the wind total, I'm not sure 1306 01:28:57,039 --> 01:28:59,520 if that's in him, because I would view we need to see more from 1307 01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,800 r J quickly at minimum as part of that progress if we're not focusing solely 1308 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:08,159 on wins. That win total was one of the tougher ones for me. 1309 01:29:08,199 --> 01:29:12,239 I haven't settled on it. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they got to forty 1310 01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:17,159 five forty six win territory though this season. I okay, that's the number. 1311 01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:21,199 I think forty five is like the comfy spot for me is like I 1312 01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:26,600 think they'll be like a forty five win team, and like if that's the 1313 01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,760 sixth seed and they're playing Miami, great, bring on the late nineties games 1314 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,520 again, you know, like I'm all for it. I will say to 1315 01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:39,399 your thing about Tims's flexibility regular season tips, like that's a thing. Like 1316 01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:43,960 what happened in Chicago. They were a regular season powerhouse. His issue with 1317 01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,760 being so stubborn that like what got me here worked, I'm not changing like 1318 01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,000 that was an issue in the playoffs. The move to be made that everybody 1319 01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:55,359 was saying was like ben Jelfred Peyton, you need to get Alfred Peyton out. 1320 01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:57,920 Then he did and it didn't change anything. The move to be made 1321 01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,039 was going from Reggie Bull starting to Alec Burke starting because then it actually makes 1322 01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:05,920 Trey young defender guy that created his own shot, And TIBs was never gonna 1323 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:10,640 get that radical with his lineup changes. It was always gonna be like, 1324 01:30:11,159 --> 01:30:15,399 okay, like we got here with what works, and if something doesn't work, 1325 01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:18,119 oh well. I think that playoffs is where I'm more concerned with Tibbs 1326 01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:23,159 than the regular seam you've encapsulated. My main issue with TIBs is that playing 1327 01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:29,520 to optimize your team for the matchup is considered radical thinking. The fact that 1328 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,600 that's radical thinking melts my mind. It bends my brain. But like the 1329 01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:38,359 other part that I think you got a factor in, there's not gonna be 1330 01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:42,079 a regular season game where Tibbs is like, this doesn't matter. They're going 1331 01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:45,159 to be eighty two must win games next year, and if they win forty 1332 01:30:45,159 --> 01:30:48,880 five of them, he will be upset about the thirty seven of them. 1333 01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:56,319 So that like that type of intensity mattered this season, and I think it 1334 01:30:56,399 --> 01:31:02,600 could play into next season when teams that might factor in more load management and 1335 01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:09,520 caring about players pub rest for the playoffs, that that will matter more. 1336 01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:14,039 And you're asking me if they're gonna win forty two games, and I'm saying 1337 01:31:14,119 --> 01:31:16,159 yes, I'm also saying I don't think they get past the first round next 1338 01:31:16,199 --> 01:31:18,960 year. I would agree with you there, And I'm saying they'll win at 1339 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:24,159 least forty two. If you told me Kemma plays, if Kemma misses fewer 1340 01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:27,880 than twenty games next year, I'm gonna be so more. I'm so high 1341 01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:30,920 on the idea of Kema Walker, I think as everybody is. If you 1342 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,840 told me he misses fewer than fifteen twenty games, I'd probably be more optimistic 1343 01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:39,239 about they're gonna clear this over. They could get to forty five four four 1344 01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:43,640 win territory, but just with welcoming in sort of a new dynamic on offense. 1345 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,319 And then, as you mentioned, it's not that anyone in the East 1346 01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:50,279 really dramatically improved. It's just deeper by virtue of Kyle Owry's in Miami. 1347 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:56,479 The Pacers are healthy, the Hornets have a year older LaMelo ball. Things 1348 01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:00,000 could just Chicago is better and it's still a wild card. Like Shart have 1349 01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:03,720 more talent, They're more talented than they were last year. They they fucked 1350 01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,680 up their off season. I don't like, I don't even want to get 1351 01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:10,680 into that. We agree, so you're not wrong. I loved it. 1352 01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:13,760 They had Alex Caruso, they had Lonzo Ball, and then it was just 1353 01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,359 to do that. After that it was oh okay. I hated the rose 1354 01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:19,319 and contracts so much. I'm so glad that Knicks didn't do that good for 1355 01:32:19,399 --> 01:32:25,159 him though for him, anybody had got money this offseason. I just I 1356 01:32:25,239 --> 01:32:28,279 hear a lot of like the Bulls are the three seed now? It's like, 1357 01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,600 no, they are like probably the they're a playing team is what they've 1358 01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,920 now become, which you know gives Zach Lavine some decisions to make. There's 1359 01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:41,600 was so much to talk about this team. We I invariably skipped over things, 1360 01:32:42,119 --> 01:32:44,640 asking you, was there anything that we didn't discuss that you think needs 1361 01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:48,319 to be talked about heading into the twenty one twenty two New York Knicks season. 1362 01:32:48,319 --> 01:32:55,840 What's your trade package if they do make the damn trade? So? 1363 01:32:56,199 --> 01:32:59,079 And I know you when John have talked about this a lot at length. 1364 01:33:00,199 --> 01:33:04,279 I'm not including RJ. Barrett in it because I can be specific because it's 1365 01:33:04,319 --> 01:33:10,399 not whether or not I know where. If you think they can, I 1366 01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,000 think they can because of how Portland's line of thinking needs to be. Yes, 1367 01:33:14,039 --> 01:33:17,039 if you're the Blazers. You go in asking for everything in the kitchen 1368 01:33:17,039 --> 01:33:20,399 sink, and you have some of that luxury because Dame, if he's traded 1369 01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:24,000 this year, we'll have three and a half years left on his deal. 1370 01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:26,880 So you do have that type of leverage. But you also have to be 1371 01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:31,000 realistic about what you're doing when you trade Damian Lillard, and that is consigning 1372 01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:36,439 your franchise to starting over. If you don't even if you think RJ. 1373 01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:41,920 Barrett might be a long term pillar, do you want to max out RJ 1374 01:33:42,079 --> 01:33:45,520 Barrett and he you know, when he's extension eligible and have him only one 1375 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,680 more year on his rookie scale. I'm not saying you don't want RJ. 1376 01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:54,439 Barrett. I'm saying the Knicks can include enough. Let's call it alternative equity, 1377 01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,439 because maybe it's in the form of some of their players, maybe it's 1378 01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,680 in the it's probably more likely in the form of draft compensation. We saw 1379 01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,560 it. Look, we saw it with Houston and James Harden. They opted 1380 01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:09,279 for draft equity over Jared Allen, Like they had all these picks coming and 1381 01:34:09,319 --> 01:34:12,560 they still opted for more draft equity. It would be a similar situation. 1382 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,439 I think RJ. Barrett's gonna be a lot better than Jared Allen just looking 1383 01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,960 at the contract structure. So I think yes, Portland should ask for RJ. 1384 01:34:19,079 --> 01:34:25,359 Barrett. I think there is a way around offering him and still getting 1385 01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:29,479 game based off the other teams that will be in the running, because Dame 1386 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:30,920 is going to have, regardless of how much how many years he has left 1387 01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,960 on his deal, he will have some saying where he's going. And unless 1388 01:34:35,319 --> 01:34:39,039 if he doesn't want If he says he doesn't want to go to New Orleans, 1389 01:34:39,079 --> 01:34:43,840 guess what New Orleans isn't throwing the kitchen sink at him. They I 1390 01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,239 think New Orleans could offer a better package than the Knicks. They're not going 1391 01:34:46,279 --> 01:34:50,239 to and so I think there's a pathway to it. Now, if you're 1392 01:34:50,279 --> 01:34:55,520 telling me that the Blazers won't do the deal unless r J. Barrett's included, 1393 01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:00,760 you need that half season to inform whether you draw the line at RJ 1394 01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,359 Barrett because as of right now, and this is sort of muddied by the 1395 01:35:04,359 --> 01:35:08,079 fact that Kemba Walker is in New York now, and there's there's a chance 1396 01:35:08,079 --> 01:35:11,920 that Nicks have an all star point guard. There's a chance, but in 1397 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,439 a vacuum, if they if this was the trade now and we know legally 1398 01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,199 it can't be, I'm not doing it because I need to know that Damian 1399 01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:23,439 Lillard is coming to a team that either A has a viable number two on 1400 01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,319 a title contender. I would guess that Julius Randall is close to that. 1401 01:35:27,319 --> 01:35:30,359 That is my guest, So I'm not shipping all over him saying last year 1402 01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:33,159 was an admiration, but I need to see a little bit more or you 1403 01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:39,920 need to have the concept of what RJ. Barrett could become on that team 1404 01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,760 as another swing piece, because you can't guarantee that another star in addition to 1405 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,720 Dame is going to come from the outside. You're not going to have the 1406 01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,840 equity necessarily to trade for them, and you're not gonna have a cap space 1407 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,800 at least for there's always ways of getting cap space. So I if you 1408 01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,640 told me it costs RJ. Barrett right now, the answer isn't them. 1409 01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,159 But if it's mid season Julius Randall is back in the all NBA discussion, 1410 01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,359 then I think that gives you more flexibility to say yes. And that's ultimately 1411 01:36:03,399 --> 01:36:06,119 where I end up on it. And it's not just Dame, It's there 1412 01:36:06,119 --> 01:36:11,439 could be another star that we're not talking about that becomes available. So two 1413 01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:15,640 things to be clear, I don't see a Dame trade happening before next summer 1414 01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:21,680 fast, right, So I'm I'm factoring in that r J will be like 1415 01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:28,760 extension eligible and teams will have to make that decision. I wonder if, 1416 01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,600 like just for this, so you brought up Houston. I wonder if for 1417 01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:36,199 the sake of like having just a body that you can show your fan base 1418 01:36:36,319 --> 01:36:39,720 like, hey, we're building around RJ Barrett. This is a piece. 1419 01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:44,680 And even if it's to then flip RJ Barrett from more draft compensation. I 1420 01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:49,399 just you mentioned Houston. They were maligned for that trade. Everybody was like, 1421 01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:54,239 you gotta at least get something back. They gave up nothing, but 1422 01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:59,319 they were able to fall back on. They needed to tank and be at 1423 01:36:59,399 --> 01:37:03,079 least for eligible, for like having this close to the fourth worst record in 1424 01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:10,279 the NBA because Oksey had their pick, if they did want to have factor 1425 01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:14,159 in Jared Allen to their plans or factor in carras Lavert to their plans because 1426 01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:17,239 they had an unprotected pick, maybe it's different in this new flattened lottery. 1427 01:37:17,279 --> 01:37:21,760 They needed to be as bad as possible. So anything resembling talent's why, 1428 01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:26,000 Like Kevin Porter Junior got called up, and it's like, sure, shoot 1429 01:37:26,039 --> 01:37:29,680 forty shots a game, John Wall, Sure shoot thirty shots a game. 1430 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,960 We're trying to lose every game. This is the best way to do it. 1431 01:37:32,359 --> 01:37:36,199 So it changed what they were looking looking for in return for James Harden. 1432 01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:44,279 I think if you're trading for Dame, the much more likely scenario was 1433 01:37:44,319 --> 01:37:47,239 like, okay, so it's r J and he's bumped his stock up so 1434 01:37:47,359 --> 01:37:50,800 much that you don't have to include quickly. You don't have to include Ovie, 1435 01:37:51,279 --> 01:37:57,479 give us the salary filler, and like the roster isn't a shell like 1436 01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:00,880 it was when the Mellow trade happened, or the Anthony Day this trade happened, 1437 01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:03,600 or you know these other big blockbuster trades happen. That's the only thought 1438 01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:09,279 I have, And I'm look, I'm in agreement with you because I don't 1439 01:38:09,319 --> 01:38:14,960 see like the next move after Dame yet that makes them a contender. I 1440 01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:15,920 don't want to trade r J. Bart. I want to see what this 1441 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,319 looks like. Let me give me a year to see if he actually does 1442 01:38:18,359 --> 01:38:24,720 turn into what the RJ stands believe he can be and look, maybe they 1443 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,239 maybe, like you said, Kimba Walker, Pops, Derrick Rose wins sixth 1444 01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:30,880 Man of the Year, r J, and Julius make the All Star team 1445 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,520 with Kimball, the diis gonna have four All Stars this year. That's God. 1446 01:38:36,279 --> 01:38:42,439 Maybe the better case scenario does happen and you're in much more of the 1447 01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:46,880 stronger position where you're not trading for Dame because you're desperate, and you're trading 1448 01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:51,880 for Dame because you're trying to see if you can build a contender with what 1449 01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:56,119 you already have. Yeah, that makes sense. I guess. I just 1450 01:38:56,119 --> 01:38:59,680 don't see a scenario where they're not throwing the kitchens, think in Portland because 1451 01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:05,000 they don't don't have the the Shay Gildes Alexander like the Clippers had when they 1452 01:39:05,039 --> 01:39:08,800 got Paul George and they were trading for Paul George and Kwai. That's when 1453 01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:12,560 people wonder why they had so many picks and swaps, including that deal they 1454 01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:15,079 were getting. They were trading and this is the best way I've heard a 1455 01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:16,680 phrase I can't remember who said it. Oklahoma said he found a way to 1456 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:21,479 trade Kawhi Leonard without ever having Kawhi Leonard and so they don't have as of 1457 01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:26,960 right now. RJ. Barrett isn't on that same level of blue chip cornerstone 1458 01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:31,520 as Shay, and if he is, then I would agree with you because 1459 01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:35,560 you're sort of mitigating the other collateral damage if you're giving up, that would 1460 01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:40,720 be an easier hard line to draw. I'm just in a mindset where it's 1461 01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:44,640 gonna cost so much based off how the Micks are right now to get inequity 1462 01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:49,800 in prospects and future picks to get that next guy. You need to protect 1463 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:57,840 your highest end prospect at all costs to me right now. But as you 1464 01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,359 said, I think that's why it's more ideal for something like that to arise 1465 01:40:01,039 --> 01:40:04,840 after this season. And the benefit of that is we're talking specifically about Dame. 1466 01:40:05,239 --> 01:40:09,239 It could be another player that no one's even thought about yet. A 1467 01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:12,800 lot of people think that Zion's gonna try and agitate his way out of news. 1468 01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:16,560 That's different if it's Zion's. So here's the funny part about Zion, 1469 01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:21,279 right like he could afford, he could try to force his way out, 1470 01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:26,720 But like I am, my immediate thought would be, yeah, of course 1471 01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:30,840 you'd have to include RJ. But r j is the recruiting piece because of 1472 01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,920 their relationship in college. Now make of it what you will. I know 1473 01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,880 some people would have said, like, they weren't actually that close in college. 1474 01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:39,640 They were there for six months and then went and started training for the 1475 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:45,680 NBA. I like, if Zion's on the table, that's difference, which 1476 01:40:45,159 --> 01:40:48,560 is weird because they just extended Julius Randalls. How different it actually is. 1477 01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:53,680 I'm just saying it could be. I don't think some people actually legitimately do 1478 01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:57,039 think that Zion is going to try and force his way out of New Orleans 1479 01:40:57,079 --> 01:41:01,159 before he signs his rookie extension. I am of the mind regardless, I 1480 01:41:01,159 --> 01:41:08,520 do think there's smoke to his unhappiness. Until someone does it turns down that 1481 01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:14,000 money is willing to threaten to play on the qualifying offer, I won't believe 1482 01:41:14,079 --> 01:41:16,640 it. I've just we've never The closest we've come is Christops Porzingis, and 1483 01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,359 he didn't so much leverage his way out of New York is New York didn't 1484 01:41:20,399 --> 01:41:27,960 want him anymore. There's a mutual week we're good before both leaving you, 1485 01:41:28,359 --> 01:41:30,119 and so we just we haven't seen it. But I'm just saying it could 1486 01:41:30,119 --> 01:41:33,560 be another player and if Kemma Walker is so good for you, and I 1487 01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:39,600 wouldn't let Derek Rose factor into this equation because he's more injury riddled where it's 1488 01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:43,560 even if it's not necessarily like Kema Walker is a chronic injury. With Derek 1489 01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:47,159 Rose, he had previously in Chicago, it was always basically the same thing 1490 01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:50,319 around his knees. Now it always just seems like stuff is happening. It's 1491 01:41:50,399 --> 01:41:56,199 it's like the Kyrie Irving there's always it's nothing, it's stuff. Maybe kem 1492 01:41:56,319 --> 01:42:00,960 was so good that a point guard superstars who you're trying to target, where 1493 01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,880 it's the upgrade from Kemba to Damian Lillard will be significant, want to tech 1494 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,439 La. Damian Lillard's the top ten, top twelve player in the NBA right 1495 01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:11,159 now, But if Kemba Walker is still a top twenty five player in the 1496 01:42:11,239 --> 01:42:14,960 NBA right now, there's so you're looking at it. That's why I think 1497 01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:19,159 there's a big benefit to the Knicks going through next season without even having to 1498 01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:25,520 think about that decision until the summer, which let's you you know, factor 1499 01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:28,680 in what they did with the with their cap space and be thankful that they 1500 01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:32,680 did exactly that you know that it's not it's not just like we kept our 1501 01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:38,039 cap Like I get what you're saying, Like it's I just every single trade 1502 01:42:38,039 --> 01:42:40,560 that came up, it was like, well, if the Knicks, like 1503 01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,279 they're this guy wants out, maybe the Knicks of the team that makes that 1504 01:42:44,399 --> 01:42:46,880 pounces. And I'm just speaking as a Knicks fan, it was annoying. 1505 01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,800 It's like they're actually kind of like fine, right now, they're not as 1506 01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:56,159 desperate for competence as people made them out to me for so many years. 1507 01:42:56,199 --> 01:43:00,960 They're building something and now there's a core that they can act actually build around 1508 01:43:00,079 --> 01:43:03,720 or potentially build up the value of before making a trade for a star, 1509 01:43:04,119 --> 01:43:08,119 right And I think because you wanted to be good, they did the right 1510 01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:12,000 thing or at least not suck. You couldn't make an argument that cap space 1511 01:43:12,079 --> 01:43:16,239 is a way to conserve draft equity in those trades, just because teams won't 1512 01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:18,760 be able to ask for as much if you're saving them a ton of even 1513 01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:23,560 if it's star money. A team like Portland when they have Norman Powell on 1514 01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,359 the books, CJ. McCollum on the like, you have a if you're 1515 01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:29,079 if they were able to just send dame into the Knicks cap Space and get 1516 01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:33,039 cost control prospects and all these picks. The Knicks have leverage in the sense 1517 01:43:33,079 --> 01:43:36,840 that we just did like cap space as an asset, So I don't think 1518 01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:40,359 that wasn't the route to go. I agree with what they did. Like 1519 01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:44,680 I said, they're just just little nooks and crannies of a couple of deals 1520 01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:48,359 that made me a little uncomfortable. But Andrew, this was great. This 1521 01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:51,640 was long. Thank you, Thank you for having me on Buddy. Thank 1522 01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:57,039 you so much for giving us your time. 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