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Tiger Woods was in the stump,
and he decided that because his father was

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a Green Beret, he signed up
for military training. Green Bereys don't accept

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that kind of stuff, no civilians. So he went for three days to

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seal training. Okay, because he's
a celebrity, sorry, went through the

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Playboy course of seal training. You
know, give me great and came out

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with his steely gaze and evidently was
really intimidating for several years with that military

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background. Three days of seal training. First of all, there's nothing like

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green Berets. Green Berays at the
top. I went through that. I've

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got wounds to show for it,
but you don't go through that three days.

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It's a mental attitude that I convey
to people, and I do it

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through stuff like adversity training. If
it's ran out, go play three balls

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in a fairway, kick it into
the left and get tough. This is

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William Murkhark from Puna Gorda, Florida, and I say out at Twin Aisles

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golfin Country Club. Also on put
of go to Florida. This is golf

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Smarter number ninety nine. The best
players in the world also make unforced metal

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mistakes if doctor Don Green. This
is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips

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and insights from great golf minds to
help you lower your score and raise your

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golf IQ. Here's your host,
Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter

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podcast, Doctor Green. Hello Fred, it is I've had other friends on

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the show, but this is the
first time with a Green with three e's

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kindred spirits. But okay, now
that we've we've put in doctor Green,

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we'll call you Don from here on
out. But we want everyone to know

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that you came highly recommended. I
was so flattered that Rick Cessinghouse wrote to

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me and said, you've got to
have Don Green on your show. I

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have great respect for Rick, so
that's nice to hear, as do we.

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He is a very great guy and
a great teacher. Yes. So

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my research shows that you didn't really
start with sports on this it was a

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lot of performers. Am I going
in the right direction here? Oh?

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Actually I did start with sports,
and then you did start. Then I

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got into working with performing artists after
that. Oh yeah. And the similarities

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Where did you find the similarities between
the two? There are mets Because I

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come out of a competitive background.
I was a springboard diver. Wow.

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And then I was with the Olympic
diving team and then an Olympic swimming team.

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The of the Olympic teams is how
I got into golf, because I

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didn't start out in golf. But
after that I started working with performing artists

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who auditioning for big, big roles
in orchestras or opera roles, and I

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found out that they were very talented
musicians. They were loving, kind people,

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but they didn't have a competitive background. So when they got into a

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competitive situation, namely an audition of
going against a number of other talented train

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musicians, they tended to fold choked
like big dogs. And when I started

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teaching them competitive skills, they started
winning everything. Wow. The first example

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was when I was working with a
lot of athletes in Northern California, track

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and field, football, swimming,
diving, all the competitive sports. Contacted

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by a music teacher in New York
who wanted to work with four or her

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students. There was a big audition
coming up for french horn and it was

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one position with the Metropolitan Opera,
which is the top paid orchestra world,

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and they had one position opening and
two hundred and fifty people sending recordings to

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the Met. Wow, very established
recordings, laid down with the repertoire and

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all the challenging songs. And of
those people, the Met accepted fifty nine

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people to come to New York to
play for the audition. This teacher contacted

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me about working with four or her
students. I knew nothing about the French

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one. I didn't know the diff
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than it's a very challenging instrument that
I came to know. Well. I

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worked with these four women. I
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of my assessments that I used with
competitive athletes about how they perform under pressure,

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and they made it work for them. I met with them and I

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designed a program for each of them, separate program preparing for this, like

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was the Olympics. Oh, they
had the audition and those four women of

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the fifty nine came in first,
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that's when the president Julliard wanted to
meet with me to see if his students

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had to be competitive. Sure,
and that's when I switched over and started

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teaking at Juliod, but teaching the
same strategies that I touch to competitive athletes,

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but since very few musicians came out
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won everything. And that's that's what
I did for many years. Oh,

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that's so fascinating. So I'm okay, I'll admit it. My wife and

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I are junkies for American Idol and
we have been for a number of years.

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Okay, I've admitted it. It's
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fascinating to me is these kids come
in an audition for this and it's doing

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what they've always done, which is
they sing their song. Now, granted,

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they're singing it in front of three
very prominent profile musicians who you know

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who they they shudder at when they
see when they walk in the room.

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But when it gets to the next
level, then they're actually competing against other

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singers, right, and they're not
prepared for that. It's clear that they're

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like, oh, no, I'm
a singer, I'm not a competitor,

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and they keep saying no, no, yes, this is a competition,

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right, This is a competition.
So you've got to be prepared to bring

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your best game at all times,
and they haven't been trained to do that

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at all, and a lot of
them haven't been trained to sing. I

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mean it's as well, ayright,
But when you're getting to Julia and you

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can't get away with anything, I
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That's totally different. And that's why
why I love opera. I can't do

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that. Oh wow, it's hanging
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it's it's going for a home run
every time, and that's stuff.

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So what's interesting about golf is that
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you're just competing against yourself exactly.
It's not it's not a one on one

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mono and mono type of situation.
You just got to play your best game,

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that's it, and and let everything
else just go where it goes.

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Which is the difference between boxing and
golf. Okay, the other guy and

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let you want to get hurt.
But yeah, golf in the bubble and

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and that's something players but a lot
of players, even golf, their approach

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to competition is not idea. Yeah, I bounce all over the place,

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and I just want to know.
You were a competitive diver, yes,

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springboard, springboard platform too. Yeah, I was division one. Yeah.

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Oh so you were at three meter
right, yeah? Yeah, ten meter

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boards? Yeah, and at what
level did you get to my My brother

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did that in high school, so
we were always I was in the top

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five nationally all four years high school. Well where was that where Brooklyn I

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went? I grew up in Brooklyn. Yeah, oh, well, there's

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not a lot of swimming going on
at diving school. All four years in

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the city Catholic high schools. And
then I and then I got an athletic

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appointment to West Point based on my
diving. That's how Yeah, and I

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deal with West Point? And how
did you get involved with the PGA.

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Yeah, that's a good question.
I had. I had played some golf

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with my uncles in college, but
nothing to talk of. I enjoyed it.

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I was with the Olympic diving team
in Southern California, and after our

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team won the Olympics, a real
estate developer in Florida, Southern Florida said,

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bring the team out here. I
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swimming that what year was this?
This is eighty four, eighty five,

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the eighty four Olympics in Los Angeles
exactly. I went to the diving competition

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there, saw Greg Lugana. That
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was with. Okay, I thought
we would look familiar, but I mean

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we we dominated. But but he
was inspired by that and contacted Ron O'Brien,

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the diving coach, and the swimming
coach said if you come here,

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I'll build the pool for you.
I'll build the pool. Okay, wow,

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And he did ditch. So we
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Florida okay, and we had nothing
to do, et cetera. And somebody

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said, uh, you need to
meet Peter Costas. He's he's a big

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fan of the Olympics. So Peter
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divers flatform and he basically said,
you teach me sports psychology. I'll teach

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you though. Wow, that's quite
an exchange. Yeah, And I didn't

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realize who he was at the time, but he would, you're like,

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you teach you got okay, And
I was a bachelor. I knew nobody

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in South Florida. So he would
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Our two lessons. Oh as soon
as I met him, soon as she

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said I'll teach you, go you
teach me sports psychology. He measured me

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that day for pink irons. He
gave me a fairway with, gave me

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a wedge, gave me a cutter, started giving me lessons. He give

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me a lesson on Monday, Monday
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Tuesday night, go to Wednesday,
I go back from I say, ready

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for the next lesson, and then
my ping clubs came in. And that's

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all I did. That's all I
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some of his players. Okay,
So, so I'm a big fan of

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assessments. I come up with my
own questionnaires, assessments I had for athletes,

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I converted them performing artists, converted
them for golfers. Okay, assessments.

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So I had him take one of
my assessments, which measure focus,

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distractability, energy levels, concentration,
confidence, mental toughness. He was fascinated

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by Peter's an engineer. Peter's a
left brain, very analytical, so he

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was fascinated by the science behind it. So I gave him in a profile

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comes out like this comes out as
a graph anyway, So he's fascinated by

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it, and he says, you
know, I want my players to take

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this. Okay, Well it was
a week before draft. Okay, and

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always come always players go to Saint
Andrews for lesson with Peter tune up.

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Okay, so all of these top
players he's working with, and he says,

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these guys sit down and take the
fucking test. Okay, otherwise some

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new guy, you know, Olympic
sports psychologists young knew nothing about golf.

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They would have given me the time
of day. Peter says, sit down

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and take the damn test. The
guys are Freddy Couples, Tom Kite,

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Bernhard Langer, Davis love Lannie Watkins, Tom Pertzer, twelve one. And

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then he has me sit down over
the next three days with each guy and

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go over their profile. Oh my
gosh, that was my introduction into golf.

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Okay, oh my gosh. All
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on that right after this. We
need to take a break. We'll be

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right back. Well, what was
it that got you hooked on golf?

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Was it going to the driving range
those first couple of days, or was

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it meeting this like some of the
biggest names in the sport a week later

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that week? Here, I was
working with the last several years with amateur

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athletes, and there's a lot of
volunteer work and I realized that there was

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only one guy in golf at the
time, Bob Rutella, and he was

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having a lot of success. And
I saw all these guys a millionaires and

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yeah, yeah. So Peter says
to me, okay, I want you

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to work with some of my women, okay. And they were struggling.

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They had both been an All American
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on tour for nine years and never
won, another one had only won once

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in nine years. He asked me
to work with and I worked intensely with

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them. I didn't work intensely with
the twelve guys they were they were off

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to do owt. But Peter gave
me these two women and they both won.

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Laurie Garbacy won Tucson Open, first
tournament ever. Lori Rinker won the

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Corning Open. And then Peter started
giving me more guys and then introduced me

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to Golf Bija schools and I started
teaching at Golf Digest schools and writing for

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the magazine. And that's that's what
I did for six years. That's all

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I did. Incredible. Yeah,
So I'm curious that when you're working and

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you were new to the sport,
but it was performance. It was it

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was competitive element of it. Where
where did you find the common thread between

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all these high level players when you're
just being introduced to the sungar. It's

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all the same. To me,
It's all about focus and mental toughness and

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staying in the moment and all that. Not many people teach focus. I've

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got my own approach to it with
an athletic background, a martial arts background,

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and my whole approach to mental toughness
because to me, golf, this

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game of mental toughness is not easy. You know, wins howling, you

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know you're three over, you're in
a bunker. Yeah, and I'm a

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former Green Beret. I apply that
to golf. There's no training in the

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Green Berets is a game of golf
toughness. So here's the thing. Tiger

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Woods years ago was in the stump
and he decided that because his father was

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a Green Beret, he sign up
for military training. Well, green Berets

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don't accept that kind of stuff,
no civilians. So he went into seal

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training. He got accepted for three
days of seal training. Okay, because

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he's a celebrity, Okay, sorry, We went through the Playboy course of

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seal training, you know, give
me great and came out with the steely

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gaze and evidently was really intimidating for
several years with that military background. Okay,

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with the seal three days of sealed
training, give me right seal,

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say, first of all the seals, there's nothing like green Berets, green

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Brays at the top. You ask
anybody in the world who's the top Special

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Forces Green brey. I went through
that. I've got wounds to show for

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it. Okay, but you don't
go through that three days. It's a

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it's a it's a mental attitude that
I convey to people, and I do

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it through stuff like adversity training.
Namely, if it's right out, go

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play people. Also a fairway kick
it into the rouff. Yeah, and

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get tough because it's a game of
mental toughness. And on Monday, on

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Sunday, on the Final nine,
it's gonna show. Every Sunday it's shows.

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I call it the Sunday Shadow Show
because their shadows shows up and it's

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like they're an alien playing the last
nine holes. No, they've been you

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know they're eight over eight under all
of a sudden, you know they're five

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over in the last nine holes,
and it's mental weakness because they're not trained

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to be mentally tough. They're not
They're not military, dude. They went

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to college at regular college. It
came out had a good life, not

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me. Well, green Beret is
life and death on golf is a game,

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and some people like it, but
it comes down to it, it's

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it's I created like it is their
life and death. You lose enough cuts,

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you're off the tour. Maybe selling
real estate, yeah, as their

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wife, but as their wife from
its life and death. I could see

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that point. And do we as
golfers take ourselves far too seriously. Yes,

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it's a game, yeah, and
it is serious, but nobody's bleeding,

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I mean hopefully. Yeah, Yeah
it is. It can be too

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serious of trying too hard forcing it
and you lose flow. And that's where

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Rick comes in say, you gotta
be slow, right and now I'm in

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the flow is perstrictive of seeing the
big picture. Namely, it is just

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again, I just can imagine you
dealing with these athletes and they're talking about

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how tough and blah blah blah it
is, and they you know, they're

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getting in the way and your roll. I could just hear your eyes rolling

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going. You don't know tough,
you don't know challenge. You're just in

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a little ball here. You're just
jumping off of a plank into the water.

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You're I was in Fort Lauderdale with
the Olympic timing team and we were

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at a practice with a ten me
to practice one day, and you know,

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there's nothing like standing on a pool
deck and looking up. It's right

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away until you're up there, and
then he looked down, it's oh my

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god. So so an opera coach
from the Miami Opera asked me if he

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could bring out two of his studio
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Okay, and I'd never been I'd
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okay before I started with opera singer. In fact, there's a green

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bray. You don't catch green bree
they don't drive together, so okay,

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bring them out. So it brings
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of this practice, and both of
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looked like they're afraid of their own
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They were afraid of me and everything
else, and they say they're afraid

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of singing these arias, these pieces. I'm thinking, these women are up

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there with just bathing suitsan and you
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Don't talk to you, you know. So he says, well, you

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got to come to a practice session
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been to an opera, never been, And here I am in a studio

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with these two singers and he's playing
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and that intent power who that came
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no amplifier. It's like that I'm
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I got fascinated with the power of
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then I saw that there on this
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they push it a little bit,
crack. If it cracks, it's like

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dropping the football. It's black white. And I saw that they had reason

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to have fear and anxiety just as
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And once I understood that and how
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really started clicking yet fascinated and enjoyed
working with them as much as I worked

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with I worked with Alympic shot put
it the number two guy in the world.

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When you stand next to him shot, it's like talk about an explosion,

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and it was just like opera and
I got fascinated by it. Wow,

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and started working with the LA Young
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Program because they're struggling with the same
thing that athletes struggled with it, which

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is no injury involved. It's all
about ego, loss, embarrassment. Nobody

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likes to crack an oat you for
you're up there basically naked. But so

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how are you on the first team? You're naked there, you shank this

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ball into the you can't hide from
that. The sun didn't get your eyes,

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not where you tripped you. You
did that to yourself. Oh we're

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going to pick that up right after
this. You did that to yourself.

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I mean, you know, you
talk about the first t you're exposed,

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you're naked, but you just got
to go play that shot and you just

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go to the next one, and
you got to get over yourself. As

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we've already said, you just get
over yourself. Well, but the question

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is what couse that were the barriers? Okay, yeah, well twenty years

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ago I stopped doing what I was
doing. I kept on, but I

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wanted. I wrote a couple of
books about this, but I still had

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a question I couldn't solve. Why
did talented, trained, experienced individuals us

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the range of music, sports,
you name it, make unforced errors that

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they can't explain? And that's the
question I went looking for, and it

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took me twenty years to figure out, but I figured it out. And

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please don't make us read the book, which is called Train. You're right

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here, doctor don Green the threes
absolutely, So what did you figure out?

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How do they make unforced airror is
at that level? Well, it

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comes what causes the unforced airors?
Okay? Well I'm a psychologist and i'm

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training and I apply that, okay, but most of it's Freudian psychology,

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freud it, egos, super ego, okay, and that doesn't that doesn't

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explain unforced carreras. Okay. You've
got ego, which is sensitive in reputation,

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that's concerned about that, and you've
got the it, but it doesn't

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explain on forced James. Okay.
So I went looking out side of that

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to call young j U Nji,
a Swiss psychotherapist round a time of Freud,

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and he was agreed with Freud for
a while until he realized that Freud

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was upseessed with sex and over the
top and some of the ego defense mechanisms.

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Yeah, to block out reality and
rationalization and denial all, but it

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really doesn't help me with golfers missing
shots, okay, missing fairways. You

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know, you just hit one hundred
balls on the range before you went out.

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Everyone is pure. You shy?
You pull the left foot left into

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the woods. What happened? I
was distracted? Yeah, but yeah I

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choke? Yeah, but what caused
it? And Carl Young came up with

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the answer? Okay, and yeah, and people don't necessarily want to hear

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it, so I had to swallow. But it has to do with his

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concept of the personality. Okay.
Now, Carl Young was brilliant. He

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predicted World War One at World War
two. He's the man who came up

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with the term synchronicity. Namely,
things are connected beyond the level of that

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world. Okay, So his model
of the personality has a persona. Now,

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persona is our outward mask that we
show to the world, our happy

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face. How are you doing?
Everything's fine? Okay, Beyond that the

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deeper part of our personality or dark
side. Okay, that's not as pleasant

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to look at, not as happy
kind of okay, Shakespeare said this darkness

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in me, I must acknowledge as
mine. Billy Joel As Singer wrote a

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song called The Stranger, same concept, the shadow on a dark side of

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a personality that comes out of early
childhood trauma, unresolved things. Nobody perfectly,

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No, we're all grow up with
this. So so we keep this

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shadow veried because it's not pleasant,
but it's but it's there. And I

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give the example to musicians. Okay, they go into a job where they're

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playing with an orchestra and the new
conductor comes in. Now, conductors could

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be tricky things, they could be
brilliant. We're idiots, okay. The

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musicians know, okay, but they
have they have to be nice to keep

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their job, you know, because
conductors have power. So you go into

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the orchestra and you need to conduct. Hey, how you doing. It's

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nice to see you, good to
have you back. Fucking moron? When

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to learn how to conduct that shadow? That shadow? Okay, and the

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shadow is not necessarily happy because it's
got a lot of unresolved trauma, things

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that happened to it. It's unresolved
and causes conflict, and it isn't necessary.

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It wants attention, It wants people
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most of us just go await and
den I ignore it. So like a

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kid that wants to be sane,
it wants your attention and to meet me

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pe like me peel, but people
don't. So it waits for opportunities to

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get your attention, like the first
team, like what the hell was that?

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Me? Me? Me, go
ahead, go it. With musicians,

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it happens that the finals had auditions, that they make mistakes. Pay

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attention. Let's resolve this. Confidence
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Once you do stop making unforced air. It's not perc nobody's broke, and

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god, there's too many variables to
win. But but hitting the hitting the

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ball this much up the center of
the club face on a drive is not

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the wind. It's the shadows you
causing a mistake making. And that to

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me is what I watch every Sunday
on golf. Two channels may live in

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PGA, and all I see is
unforced hairs on Sunday that they are shaking

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their head like they go to the
teacher who says, what was that I

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do right in this spot? There's
no other explanation than that they actually meant

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mistake that. It's a mind blowing
but nobody else addresses it. I've read

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all the books on choke and you
name it. Nobody else is really solid

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for golf. Is it solvable?
Yeah, that's what I do. You

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solve it? Yeah? Do you
get resistance? Do you get people like

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your pointing this out, You're showing
them where it is and what's going on.

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Take some coaxing, yes, and
they have to do just to use

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your green beret coaxing. No,
No, they've had enough for that.

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I've I've been basically in a closet
for the last nine years. First I

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wrote the book, and I thought
I could do it in a year.

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It took me five years. It's
hard, it's complicated and hard to convince

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people. Okay. Then people said, you know, you need a journal

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to go with the book, because
it's work. You've got to write this

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stuff out. So I took six
months and wrote a journal. Okay.

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Then people said, you know,
people don't read books anymore. You got

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to do it audiobook. Okay,
so I converted my dining room into a

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sound studio, professional sound studio,
and I became a recording artist nine months.

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The hardest thing I've ever done.
I couldn't use my lecture voice.

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It blows out the speakers. So
I had to convert my voice to my

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bedroom voice. Okay, folks,
take a nice deep breath. And I

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finished it. And then I took
me two months to recover from it because

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I blew out my voice. I
couldn't talk for two months. And then

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I started teaching more musicians and they
were winning everything, and then I thought,

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you know, I got to get
back into golf. I left golf

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on good terms. I had great
relationships with a lot of good teachers,

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so many wonderful teachers, and some
of the teachers that I taught with early

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that were junior teachers at golf I, just like Todd Anderson, is now

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a senior teacher in Florida at a
learning center. One of the writers I

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wrote with was a young writer at
Golf. I is now editor in chief

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of Golf Digest, and I don't
want to get in touch with him again.

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And basically and hiding working only with
performing artists and nothing has changed in

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golf. In most every other sports, the records are falling, like the

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world's shot put record just fell over
the weekend. Okay. Track records are

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being broken all the time, swimming
records, divers are diving doing new dives.

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People are not shooting in the fifty
five wage. The equipment is better,

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golfers are stronger, doing better shape, golf courses are better, greens

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are better, caddies are better.
Everything's better. Nothing's changing. The scorees

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stay the same. Why unforced errors
people are making more eagles because they're hitting

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it landing on part five is because
the distance and all that. But they're

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probably three putting, probably more than
ever. I'm writing a series now.

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I've got I've got four articles right
here that I'm writing first time for Golf

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Digester whoever, some wit'st not,
and one's on free putting. Okay,

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the world's top player greens and regulation
fairways hit every stat other than putting two

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years in a row is one hundred
and forty first in putting. I'm writing

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an article on it. I'm writing
it. I'm writing an article on I

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call Caddy Talk. Caddy Talk.
We have time to explain us. You

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want to take a break. That's
what we're gonna do. We'll take a

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break and then let's explore it.
We'll be right back, all right,

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let's continue, all right. So
caddy caddy plays a very important role,

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and caddies are more sophisticated, tend
to be better players. There are some

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tend to be famous, you know, they common on TV, and they

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play an important role with club selection
when all of that, okay, However,

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some of them tend to overdo it. Okay, maybe to keep their

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jobs, okay, But to me, the job of a caddies is to

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give the right information before that player
steps into the ball. And I think

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of it as like a nine foot
circle around the ball. That's the zone

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for the player, okay, and
the job of the caddy is to enable

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the player to step in there with
a clear idea, the right club,

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the right information, and then people
blunt. Okay. So we have two

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parts of our brain, a left
brain and a right brain. Okay.

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The left brain is analytical, making
well numbers and words okay, like one

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hundred and sixty three yards to the
pin, but it's back five yars,

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but the wind's going left to right. The words, but the practice found

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the dead need you need all these
words, which are really important words,

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right, okay. So and then
the player is filled with these words,

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but he's got convert these from left
brain to right in other words, to

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picture of the shot, the image
of the shot, the feel of the

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shot. Does it feel like one
hundred and thirty three hundred and thirty five?

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The feel? How does it feel
in his hands? All the right

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brain stuff, no words, mental
quiet because in there they need one idea

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and mental quiet and no words,
no numbers. So they're ready at the

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shot. Okay, got it?
Say hey, the wind just picked up.

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You know, it's playing more like
one hundred and fifty six and one

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hundred and fifty eight, so maybe
it's not. Maybe it's a sectory.

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Now he got back again, so
okay, okay. Oh, and don't

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pull it left in the water like
you didn't practice, because the mind does

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not understand the word don't, only
what comes after the words don't. So

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don't pull in the left and waterer. The image is there. That's it.

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And then easton order Cady says,
I told you not to hit in

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the water, but you said put
it in the water. So I'm going

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to write this artuple. I'm gonna
fend some caddies, and I don't I

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love talking to caddies. Well,
I love having them on the show.

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I'd write, and I've said this
before, I loved I'd rather talk to

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caddies than than tour players because tour
players are a little bit protected. I

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mean, professional athletes. They've been
burned, so they know how and what

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to say. Caddies don't get it. They'll tell stories. They love telling

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stories. And I have caddy.
I'm caddy at Q School. I've caddied

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at the Open. Yeah, yeah, and I know the game. Uh.

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And again, I've been away from
it doing this other stuff, professional

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performers, and nothing's changed in golf, and nobody's approaching it from my point

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of view. And I'm just so
glad to be delighted with Rick, who

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understands it. Rick understands this.
He's the only brow I know in golf

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that understands now my approach to it. And he's totally on board. That's

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why I was sinking up so well. Yeah, and that's why I wrote

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to us. He wanted to get
you on golf smarter. So you have

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three books? Is that correct?
Train your own hero fight your fear and

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win. And performance success and audition
success an audition success, right, are

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those two different? Performance success and
audition success are two different ones. Okay,

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But again the one for golfers is
trained your ound here, and it's

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got an example in there of Parker
McLaughlin, who when I first worked with

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him, had never won in college
at U c l A. He had

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this surgery. When I first met
him, couldn't hit a ball, and

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he wanted to rent out Tahoe Open
and now he's a short game teacher in

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Phoenix. Awesome. So what about
us the amateur golfer. We're not at

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that level. We'll never get at
that level. Even the best of us,

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you know, guy who wins a
club championship still could not compete at

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that level on the PGA tour.
So let's just talk about the middle handicappers.

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You know, some guys single digit
most everybody else is you know,

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hovering around the rest of that.
And it's as we talked about earlier,

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we're competing against ourselves, our own
worst enemy, especially on the golf course,

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and we give ourselves a whole lot
more blame than we do credit.

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I love how you're nodding with things
that I'm saying here. Help us,

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please give us some give us some
advice, give us some tips of what

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it is that we can do to
remove not just fear, but doubt or

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do those go hand in hand?
They do, but they're different quantities.

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Fear is more an emotional, doubt
is more a thought. Oh oh like

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it, yeah, explain that?
Please? Well again, the left brain

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thought is can I hit the shot? You know? I need more collaborate

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all of the thoughts, questioning yourself, distrusting yourself. That's different than the

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emotion of fear of fear of embarrassment, fear of loss, fear of losing

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this two dollar esso. It's a
different emotion. People tiy to lump them

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together, and that's the problem.
So it's discriminating those two and putting that

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into your preshot routine, namely,
switching from left brain noise or words or

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doubt into right brain see the shot, feel the shot, hit the shots.

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It's as simple as that. But
simple, it's good. That's the

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beauty of golf. There's no time
limit on it, which can be a

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problem, you know, standing over
the ball too long or taking too many

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looks at the whole or the target, which is no good. Uh.

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And it's getting this routine and flow. And that's again where Rick comes in.

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A routine that keeps you in flow, which is movement. See the

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problem with golf is you get stuck
over the ball forever. But it's a

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movement activity. So I believe you
know something moving, then slight pause and

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go because if you're stuck too long, your brains can engage it again to

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start thinking. That's why I see
it, feel it, hit it and

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getting a float. And are you
a big advocate of a preshot routine?

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Oh? Yes, I spend massive
amount of time on pre shot tea.

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Yes. Absolutely. Oh and what
about post shot routine? Is there a

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value in that? Yeah, there's
a value in that, in getting value

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out of the shot, hit it
right or wrong, not judgment, just

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discriminating, you know, slightly off
the faces likeness okay, and then the

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club goes in the bag and so
does your thought about it. Okay.

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And you do not carry any emotional
forward. I hate to see a head

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go down now. No, do
not manifest your emotions. Nobody should be

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able to feel what you're experiencing.
I'm a believer, green brain, absolutely

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cold, stone cold facial expression.
You're not going to see unless you see

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a smile or smile or appreciate it
out of me. You may think that

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I'm fuming with anger, but you'll
never see me slammer club. That's that's

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right, that's a mistake, especially
fat, it's not. Come on,

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it's not. Yeah. The beauty
of golf is once you step in that

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circle, okay, it's your show, and whether you hit a good shot

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or a bad shot, that's up
to you. And at the end of

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the day, you need to take
value in that, in yourself, in

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winning over yourself. And that three
is an example that golf can do,

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whether you're playing a PGA or just
with a bunch of buddies with your reputation

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or online. When I started working
on Wall Street years ago, because I

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started working with senior traders at Merrill
Lynch this is in my book, and

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the senior trader, the highest paid
trader in the world. His only question

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to me was can you help me
break eat? And when I said but,

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he kept you a look, I
said yeah. And he has since

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shot and shot in programs A seventy
three and a seventy five. Nice.

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Yeah, but how's his work ethic? I mean, did you help him

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anywhere at all? That he just
wanted to talk about golf? But was

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he vulnerable enough to He gave me
his senior traders to work with before nine

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to eleven, they were in a
slow Okay, I knew nothing about Wall

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Street. I know nothing about trading. I know nothing. I worked with

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his twelve senior traders, teaching the
same stuff. Their P and L went

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up twenty one. Wow. That's
when he invited me to work with another

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group of people and another group of
people, which is what I did until

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nine to eleven. And I would
have been there my last day off after

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the summer. I would have been
there. But I spent the next two

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months repairing the damage, getting people
back on track. And then I moved

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to Hawaii and I started playing golf
again, and that's when somebody introduced me.

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They had pro at Wylin, who
introduced me to Parker mcglocka and who

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the kid I worked with. Okay, tell us how to find you online

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and how to work with you.
Sure, it's train Yourround hero dot com

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00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.639
and you can contact me through that. I have an assessment that people can

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00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:22.000
take and feedback and sign up the
sessions that they want. It works for

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00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.880
everything. In my book are examples
of people I work with, like people

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that never passed the bar exam,
passed the bar exam, competitive dancers.

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It works across the board. I
just loved golf. It works really well

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00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.719
with golfers. You got hooked,
huh. Yeah, Coss has got you

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00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.079
in. Yeah he sucked you all
right, you just got suck. I

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was such good. I traveled on
the road with Bob Cosky and Jim Flick

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00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:59.599
Chuck Cook. They took me in. Yea, and but that would be

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in Tim, I'm a dating for
a beginner, wouldn't it. I'm not

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00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.480
in. You're green beret. Yeah, you're a green Berett. What do

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00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:15.719
you care? Fascinating stories, easily
relatable. Thank you so much, Don,

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00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:20.920
I really enjoyed having this conversation with
you today. My pleasure. Thank

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you. This is fun. Okay, I've held off long enough. It's

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time to bring back the best of
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are just no longer available on any
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April of twenty nineteen, when I
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have disappeared from the cloud, but
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days is that because these conversations are
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