WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.000 Step into the heart of Florida, where communities are coming together not just to 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:09.560 defy state imposed educational constraints, but to honor and elevate Black history. From 3 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:13.800 the vibrant streets of Miami to the cultural hubs of Orlando, a groundswell of 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:19.440 grassroots activism is reshaping the narrative of education. In the face of legislative hurdles 5 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:24.320 and political maneuvers, Floridians are forging new paths to ensure that the rich tapestry 6 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:28.600 of Black heritage is not just preserved, but celebrate. Join us as we 7 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:34.200 explore how these diverse communities are turning adversity into opportunity, rewriting the script of 8 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:38.399 education in the Sunshine State. This is a little bit of a nice twist 9 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.799 on our last segment from this week, Helen, have anything good to say 10 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:46.000 the time, I'm sorry Cross, We'll start with you. Actually, I'm 11 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:53.359 sorry. Okay, Yeah, So this story is about how because the Florida 12 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:58.000 has a bunch of bands on teaching black history and all sorts of you know, 13 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:03.920 controversial issues like facts that Florida churches are picking up the slack on teaching 14 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.920 black history. Right. So, when I first read this, all I 15 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:12.480 could think of was I am so tired, I am so exhausted, I'm 16 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:17.359 so sick, and I don't know how, but I am still so surprised 17 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:22.359 by Florida. Forgive me, Helen, of course you live there. I 18 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.239 feel embarrassed, quite frankly, prior to Obama being elect for me, do 19 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:33.000 you feel embarrassed for me? For our country? Because prior to Obama being 20 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:37.239 elected, I was so naive. I, like a lot of my friends, 21 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:42.319 felt we were making good progress towards trying to become a post racial society. 22 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.159 And then Obama happened, and then the backlash that is MAGA and the 23 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.920 Trump administration happened, and then we get things like DeSantis in Florida, and 24 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:57.159 all this gave Tacit permission to all of the Nazis who had been hiding as 25 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.640 our neighbors around the country to start speaking their mind. And developments like this 26 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:05.640 story are the end result. The Nazis, where they have a majority, 27 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.039 have driven our friends and neighbors, whether they be black, or Asian, 28 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:13.360 or gay or trans are different in any way, They've driven them underground. 29 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.599 Right, this is like the old underground railroad that ran through churches. They've 30 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:21.159 driven them out of the public square that is public schools, and forced them 31 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:28.840 to resort to community institutions like churches. So they're getting their basic education on 32 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:32.800 their own history, not from their community, their tax dollars, their schools, 33 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.599 but from their churches. We should be ashamed as a nation. This 34 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.560 should not be a one off story. This should be a national disgrace, 35 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:44.800 and I do feel like it will be a disgrace generations. Hence people will 36 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:46.919 look back and think, how did they not learn from World War Two? 37 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:52.319 At least the citizens who supported Hitler were kept ignorant by the fact that there 38 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.560 was no Internet. They relied on a national press to feed them the images 39 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:59.879 and the stories that the government wanted. But the Maga crowd had access to 40 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:04.360 every single piece of human knowledge right in their pockets on their phones, and 41 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.919 they woke up and chose racism instead of facts. And I think that's what 42 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.479 my grandchildren going to think. They're going to look back at this time and 43 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:14.960 not understand, because I don't even understand it now and I'm living through it. 44 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:17.000 Out of all the stories we covered, this is the one that makes 45 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.879 me the saddest. In some respects. It means that at least for now, 46 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.680 the Nazis are winning. I don't know, Kelly, is there a 47 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:28.439 way for us to beat the Nazis? I hope it's not by taking it 48 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:32.520 to the churches, to be honest. That was the first thing that that 49 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:37.800 I thought of when I read this story was this is a freaking problem. 50 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:42.919 We are leaving what should be a secular education. We're pushing it out of 51 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.039 the schools, like you said, and literally forcing it to be taught in 52 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:52.319 religious settings from a religious point of view. And this is happening because these 53 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:58.919 pseudo religious Christian nationalists have been passing laws in Florida that are driving away any 54 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.840 point of view, but they're own and just just like you said, it's 55 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:05.800 like it's almost like we were reading each other's notes for this episode Crossing, 56 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:13.319 and I thought it was pretty interesting that both sides of this debate are sheltered 57 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.279 again, both sides of the debate are sheltering under a religious umbrella, just 58 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:19.800 like one of our earlier the first story we did this week. And with 59 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.319 all my heart, I want to say good things about these churches. I 60 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:28.720 am so happy that at least somebody stepped up to fill this gap. But 61 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:34.279 at the very least they're teaching something that the laws of Florida, that the 62 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:39.680 Laws of Florida have the schools afraid to teach because of the wording. The 63 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:43.519 wording of the laws again are overly broad. They're confusing. But I just 64 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:49.720 have trepidations that a secular topic is being taught by a church. And can 65 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:55.560 you imagine if this happened to other topics at school? Did I don't want 66 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.839 to go to Sunday School get drust on otherwise God won't be able to teach 67 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:06.759 you how to find a common denominator. So, like, I did find 68 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:14.040 one particular thing about this particular article, like very touching that the presenter, 69 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:18.360 Levon Bracy, had gone to Africa and collected soil and brought it back to 70 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:26.000 people that were attending her talk and was giving members of the congregation that came 71 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:30.600 to listen to her talk files of soil from you know, from Africa, 72 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:35.199 which I thought was beautiful. But it is a church, and I hate 73 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:39.639 to say it, and yeah, like I have problems with this because, 74 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.279 as you were saying, like, this is this is just education, This 75 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:48.439 is just giving people information about their history, their heritage, which should be 76 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:58.360 taught in a secular organization like a school, weird, but I live in 77 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.399 the stay with meat. While Ron I really love that name name. I'm 78 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:05.319 sorry, like I really do, and he just basically like, well, 79 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:11.000 I like racism and being a bigot is really working for me, So I'm 80 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:15.240 just going to lean in. And it just gets very frustrating because I because 81 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.600 like this is such like reading this article, I had so many mixed feelings 82 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:28.120 because there's this wonderful story about an activist you know, that was passionate about 83 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.439 you know, where her people came from, wanting to present that give people 84 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:35.680 that education. But it's still done in a church. And and that's the 85 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.920 thing that's so frustrating because even as a white person like I would love to 86 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:45.800 like hear someone's experience. I love learning about something that about people that are 87 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.439 not me, you know, are outside of myself. And that's that's how 88 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:55.680 you break down. Stop people from being bigoti, stop people from being assholes, 89 00:06:55.800 --> 00:07:00.000 is to hear other people's experiences, their journeys, to connect with them 90 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:04.040 as human beings. And because Ron is like pushing everybody you know into the 91 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:11.240 churches, those conversations can't are not happening as much you know, and it's 92 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.160 not just you know, it's not just happening here. This is happening in 93 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:18.519 podcast throughout the country of people being forced back into their churches to even get 94 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:25.920 a basic education of their own culture. And it's just I have a lot 95 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:29.199 of mixed feelings like great, okay, like this is a really beautiful story 96 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:33.079 but also kind of shitty. So it's Florida secass Week. Everybody this week 97 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:39.439 and they're non profits. Everybody yay for me? Well I limited it to 98 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:44.079 one week. Yeah, yeah, there's going to be more Florida sex stories 99 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.839 because that's what we do on the show. It would go ahead, you 100 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:51.319 like, I'm basically we're all on the same page. It seems like I 101 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.920 couldn't have said what I'm going to say better than any of you said it. 102 00:07:54.920 --> 00:08:00.839 But I the idea of churches being involved in education was that was like 103 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.959 my first sort of like oh, hold on, and then you start realizing, 104 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.959 okay, no, like the state of Florida is actually making it really 105 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.000 difficult for schools to do this appropriately properly, and not just the state of 106 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:16.959 but like I like your nickname there, this meatball ron bandis is really making 107 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.199 it difficult for people to do things the way that they ought to done. 108 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.079 I clicked on a couple of the other articles linked in this article, and 109 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.800 it talked about how like he's already like he has already made it clear that 110 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:37.519 he's not on board with teaching anything except basically white heteronormativity in Florida schools. 111 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.759 He even went so far as to push new teaching standards. I think they 112 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:48.840 said this was from twenty twenty two new teaching standards that suggested that enslaved Africans 113 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.360 benefited from the America like the slave trade in the United States, And that 114 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.399 is the thing that he suggested, or that the teaching standards that he wanted 115 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.799 to implement, And I just can't help but think what an absolute piece of 116 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.919 trash. And I going beyond that, I did start to think, like, 117 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:09.039 okay, we know how like faith based charity works. Right, where 118 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.919 people receiving this charity, receiving this service from the church, they are more 119 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:18.759 often than not required to hear a religious message or be proselytized too in order 120 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.039 to receive that service. And I would hate to know that that is also 121 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:28.960 true for these black history lessons. So I did actually find the faith in 122 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.799 Florida toolkit that was linked in the article, and I went to look at 123 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.399 it and I didn't see anything there was, like, other than the name 124 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:43.399 of the organization Faith in Florida, there is no proselytizing, there's no scripture, 125 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:48.679 there's no you know, I was really concerned that these messages they were 126 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.600 going to teach were going to be more focused on the religious journey of these 127 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.679 you know, particular individuals, these significant individuals in American history, more focused 128 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.480 on their religious journey than their actual signific can contributions to society and the world. 129 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.840 And it just doesn't seem to be the case. So that for me, 130 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.559 I felt like a little bit of a silver lining, But it is, 131 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.879 I I gotta agree with a cross examinar. It just really when you 132 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.320 start to think like, oh, okay, now we have to like hide 133 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.519 in the churches, so to speak to to learn not just it's it's not 134 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:26.279 only back history, it's American history as well, And that just doesn't sit 135 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:31.879 right. That feels little just kind of Jim Crowry, Yeah, Jim Crowe, 136 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.639 Yeah, I agree. I you know, being a student of history 137 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.080 to some degree, I know that this pendulum will swing swing at some point 138 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.440 in our country it will inevitably swing to an enlightened country. It just takes 139 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.440 time. But it's time that I may not see to live or I don't 140 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.320 know about my kids, Probably they'll see it. So while I do have 141 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.679 hope, I'm just sad that I won't have that. I have to walk 142 00:10:54.759 --> 00:11:00.960 the earth when the Nazis feel comfortable in their racism and entitle in their bigotry. 143 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.879 Really is what I'm I'm and I did have that side point that everybody 144 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:05.840 else had. I didn't. I didn't get to it first, But I 145 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.320 do want to follow up where everybody was sort of like being taught in a 146 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.399 church. I had the same exact reaction as everybody. It's I get it. 147 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:18.159 I understand that churches are community centers in much of our country. While 148 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.600 I don't really want to harp on that aspect, I do feel compelled to 149 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:26.080 mention you know things like you guys do. It worries me that if not 150 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:31.120 in this particular case, ELI did the research to say what's being taught here, 151 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:35.399 then in the next case right that where where we have to revert because 152 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:41.159 our schools are not meeting our community's needs, because our politicians are not legislating 153 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:46.919 for their entire constituency, only the people who agree with them. The people 154 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.159 who are in the minority, are left to go to their churches for these 155 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.720 solutions because that's the only community that they have left. I worry that it 156 00:11:54.879 --> 00:12:00.399 might the history might be taught through a mystical lens. I worry that God 157 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.679 might get mentioned and mixed up along with the facts, so the kids can't 158 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.320 distinguish between the God and the facts. And I worry that the church will 159 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:15.720 potentially whitewash the role of Christianity in slavery. Right right, christ watch very 160 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:20.440 good. Now. I'm a middle aged white atheist cis male, so I 161 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.840 get nervous opining on, hey, how should black people to learn their own 162 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:30.240 history? But I will quote Chris Rock who said, quote a black Christian 163 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.559 is a black person with no fucking memory. And I think that that's one 164 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.360 of the deepest things that he has said that can really do a lot to 165 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:43.200 help that community or any other community that was sort of subjugated by Christianity. 166 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:46.440 Why is Christianity so popular around the world. As the Catholics usually like to 167 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.000 quote, it was done by the edge of a sword, just like slavery. 168 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.840 So in the end, I want to say I'm sad. I want 169 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.000 to say I'm glad that they're doing it, but yeah, it's it's going 170 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:03.320 to take time to to defeat the forces. Yeah it is. I agree, 171 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.679 it's complicated, and that's the thing that's so frustrating about this. Yeah, 172 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.600 I agree. That was what I feared the most too, was history 173 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.840 being taught through a mystical lens. You know. I could see something like, 174 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.360 you know, God enlightened George Washington Carver to go to the peanut that 175 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.919 the Lord had provided to him. You know, yeah, I could see 176 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.519 something like that being taught, and that's bullshit. I mean, we're taking 177 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:31.639 something that's historical and potentially turning it into religion, and that that's definitely a 178 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.799 problem I think. Yeah, I was turning around and looking for my textbook. 179 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.080 I have one I was going to pull off my shelf from a Christian 180 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:43.960 school. It was a science textbook for elementary kids. And the very first 181 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.720 chapter is the Moon and the first thing. The first sentence in this science 182 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.639 book is God gave us the moon and blah blah blah blah blah blah. 183 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.639 You know, that's what I'm worried about Oh yes, right, exactly right. 184 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.039 Personally, I think we should pass a lot to make every Floridian plant 185 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.480 two trees a year to make up for all the oxygen in that that status 186 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.960 as a resident of Floridian. I do apologize for all the air all the 187 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:15.159 options sucking that has happened. Helen. I guess I kind of understand. 188 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.240 I'm getting old too, And I know you and Todd arm You want to 189 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:24.440 stay in the largest retirement home in the United States, want to move out 190 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:31.519 money everywhere. You should think about moving away though, and joining us, 191 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.080 Like listen, if if, if, if, if anyone wants to give 192 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.960 me all the atheist money to move out of Florida, I'll go. But 193 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.799 there's something I do want to point out about we did, like the last 194 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.080 last time was on the show, we did a we did it on atheist 195 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:52.240 churches and that they're sprouting up throughout the country. And I would love like 196 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.639 if we're okay, like okay, but like we're going to take you back 197 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.559 to the churches, okay, whatever, Like if we're going to do these 198 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.320 educational sort of talking points, can we do it in like the secular part 199 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.759 of like you know, churches that are propping up, like, let's not 200 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.240 do it in like a Christian church, Let's do it with like there's someone 201 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:16.720 that's actual historian that knows facts like presentation. I would love that. Do 202 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.480 you think Floridians would have a problem with Black History Month being taught at the 203 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:26.120 Satanic Church? I think they just don't like us, like and there's it's 204 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.519 just going on with the TST right now. So that's that. That could 205 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:33.320 be another conversation on the nonprofits. But but it would be a problem because 206 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:39.759 we're not we're considered we're still considered less than because we don't believe in the 207 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.519 true God. You know, we are atheists and we're and we're you know, 208 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:48.879 liberal and you know, and we're trying to brainwash everybody. That's the 209 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.600 goal at this whole show. Everybody's to brainwash you and to be a free 210 00:15:52.679 --> 00:16:00.720 singer. So silly. Really, the problem is that we have one extreme 211 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:07.320 side of our political spectrum that that's creating a government that's not serving the benefits 212 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.440 of all of the country or in this case, the state's citizens strictly because 213 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:18.320 of extreme political or religious, or or even historical reasons. Then when it's 214 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.799 doing that that government isn't serving the people, it's only serving some of the 215 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:27.799 people. And I really find it entirely ironic that the very people who are 216 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:33.279 pushing this kind of thing are also the same people screaming about upholding the constitution. 217 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.360 Yeah, constitution though. That's why I'm always like, have you read 218 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.879 have you read that document? Have you? Cause the way you're talking about 219 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:48.759 it tells me you haven't read this. I I like most of it. 220 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.200 I'm going to say that I do. I mean, we had problems, 221 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:55.679 problems with some of its outdated, but for the most part, I think 222 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:57.440 it was a pretty good, pretty good thing. I think it should be 223 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.840 a little bit easier to change it. But other than that, Okay, 224 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.279 I've been feeling around that for Eli because we're very viny people like I want 225 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:08.359 I want to get more of Eli's thoughts because we are we're very like talking 226 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:12.759 talkie. Yeah. Well, no, I just I thought that my closing 227 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.079 thought was just that I there's no reason Florida residences shouldn't be allowed to learn 228 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:23.319 blackest and we've covered that earlier this week as well. My aversion to church 229 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:27.839 based education aside, I'm actually on board with with this particular instance, and 230 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.839 I think Cross was right to specify this time. It seems like it's being 231 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.279 done appropriately, at least based on the toolkit online. Who knows what's going 232 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:40.519 on in the actual buildings. If it was just the church's volunteering their buildings 233 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:45.960 to be used to conduct seminars or presentations, that's one thing entirely. Like 234 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.519 I said, there's no reason Florida residents shouldn't be allowed to learn about black 235 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.079 history. And if Meat Baldasantis is going to do his level best to prevent 236 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:57.000 that, then I'm glad someone is picking up the baverbial torch. And I'm 237 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:03.440 glad to see religious institutions actually fighting a good fight for once across you see 238 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:10.960 that. I agree with you. I do agree, I just want I 239 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:17.160 did find my my let's say, Science for Christian Schools textbook that I bought 240 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.440 on eBay and was written by the Bob Jones University if you're familiar with them. 241 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:27.440 Very first page is history of the Moon, and it starts any God 242 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.559 and God made two great lights, the greater light to rule to day and 243 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.599 the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars. Also Genesis 244 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:38.440 one sixteen. That's the start of a Christian science class book, and it 245 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.440 goes on to say science can be defined as information gained using our senses. 246 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:45.400 Faith means holding beliefs without seeing, hearing, tasting, blah blah, blah 247 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.119 blah. When the moon came into being, were there any people there to 248 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:49.920 get the facts through their senses? And then it goes on to talk about 249 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:56.880 science is faith. It's the classic Young Earth creationist bullshit that says you weren't 250 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:00.920 there to see evolution, You weren't there to see the moon how it was 251 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.720 created, which is important to them because when you date the moon and how 252 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.480 it's been receding from the Earth, you come up with a universe or an 253 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.920 earth it's four billion years and they don't like that. So right off the 254 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.920 bat, this quote unquote science book is teaching the religious kids that science is 255 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.119 faith. They're sort of dragging science down to their level to say, oh, 256 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.079 well, if it's all faith, then you should go with us. 257 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:25.680 And that's my concern when you say the community has to turn to churches, 258 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.720 then even if it's in small ways, it could be it could be history 259 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:33.480 history, history, history, and oh, by the way, don't let 260 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.440 gays get married, or history history, history, abortion should be illegal, 261 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:38.799 like all of these things that get sort of plugged into class, which a 262 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:45.680 trained public school teacher knows to avoid. Right. That's the other question is 263 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.240 at the churches, what sort of training they have on educating kids and handling 264 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:55.400 disruptive kids and all that sort of stuff. So that's my rant Kelly foul 265 00:19:55.480 --> 00:20:00.160 thoughts opinions. I think I've pretty much said everything I have to say. 266 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.680 Again, I really think we got to be careful about I think it's really 267 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.920 great somebody's stepping up to teach this. I just think we have to be 268 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.440 careful about who we're letting teach it and make sure that they're teaching it in 269 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:15.359 the correct way and not with religious overtones. That's but we live. But 270 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.279 we live in a country where they're allowed to do this, and that's the 271 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.720 opposite of what the conservatives want, right. They want this to be the 272 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:25.200 rule and nobody else can do it, where we're like, well, I 273 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:27.160 hope they're not, but they're allowed to because it's their life.