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Hello, everyone, Welcome to That's
not what you said, Kerry King,

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That's not what you said. It
feels like it's been a minute since we've

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had a big TNN, but we
are here today. We are here with

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the February reviews Bag. January we
had some pretty funny stuff, but I

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have to say February the excitement really
has begun in terms of the first really

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big magnitude records. Today in our
reviews bag, we are going to be

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talking about the records from Chelsea Wolf, Alkaline Trio, Isan Job for a

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Cowboy, Darkest Hour, Spectral voice
Holder, and Slope. My name is

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Perenheish, Diligent as ever, Sam
Dignoon and Elliott Paisley are here with me.

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We have, as well as reviews, some of the most absolutely crackers

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news we may get all year,
so we've got to dive into that fairly

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swiftly, but very quickly. I
feel like this week's live reports is very

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encapsulating of the T and M dynamic
because I last night I went to see

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under Dark, whose last album we
reviewed in I think was the last reviews

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bag of last year. I still
think it's one of the best heavy records

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to come out of at least the
UK last year. Really strong, really

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intense show, like emotionally intense with
those songs. Physically in the sense that

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it was one of those shows where
it's like a tiny venue and there's one

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of those sort of like windows of
space at the very front sort of like

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around the stage, so Abby the
vocalist kept like jumping down and using that

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space, except I was at basically
the very front center of where people were

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actually stood, so multiple occasions it
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looking at me in the eye,
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That was intense, but you know, really strong. I know it's a

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more underground record, but I do
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stuff like Svalbard or whatever, like
you know, which looking into our album

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of the year results a lot of
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this as well. This particular record
was actually you know, it was closer

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to getting in my twenty last year
than you know, the latest Svalbard.

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Was not to pick the two bands
against each other. We love them both,

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but you know, under Dark are
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think something like a Damnation slot would
go a long way in terms of giving

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them like the bit of the showcase
they need Sam. Meanwhile, you went

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and saw the brit Rock fuckers,
didn't you. Oh no, No,

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that's that's next week and then next
week it's tomorrow. Tomorrow is my my

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little run of britt Rock really like
twenty tens brit Rock celebrations, Okay,

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right, with an actually really good, credible gig on the end of it.

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We'll get on to that next week. Okay, So more on that

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later. Then that means we can
move I've just been hiding from metal cord

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Twitter. That's what I've been doing, the upsetting people. But the news

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we can steam roll into. Then
we had, you know, some pretty

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meaty stuff to talk about anyway,
But obviously we are starting with something that

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dropped yesterday. That was fully one
of the moments where like I I dropped

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what I was supposed to be doing, you know, whatever work I was

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supposed to be doing, and I
just sort of sat bamboosled to like an

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hour just looking trying to make sense
of the updates that we were getting.

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Only Bloody Slayer uh announcing festival shows? What after that? Kerry King in

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after everything? Like I was just
like someone posted it at first, and

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I thought it was a prank,
it was a hoax. The person who

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posts in I thought, oh,
you know, some knucklehead has fallen for

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a hoax. How embarrassing. And
it was then me googling it and me

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like, and I still don't really
believe it. Yees the details they are

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going to be the first one that
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Than Life festival next summer. Then
also fairly swiftly came out that they were

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also going to be headlining riot Fest
the ASA, which actually takes place before

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the Louder Than Life when and that
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Those are, I believe, the
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but it wouldn't surprise me if at
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popped up that kind of thing.
I believe one of these has like the

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it's like Midwest exclusive for Slayers,
so you know they'll pop up in other

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bits of at least that country.
This is crazy, and there are many

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reasons why, but I don't think
I've ever been so flummocked by a reunion,

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Like the last time it happened was
Panterra. Maybe a little bit the

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current Dillinger thing. But with Panterra, that was a different feeling because that

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was based more in like a sort
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of being done. We were speaking
about the sort of you know, moral

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hold up with going on with something
like that whatever this was, you know,

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more so like for a half hour
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lineup who was in the band confirmed, I was like, I don't even

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know how to begin unpacking this without
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The thing that threw me is the
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it because that there is no word
and if Kerry King is currently involved,

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and that that quickly got you know, shut down. But I was given

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as like, right, cool,
So who is in Slayer? Imagine Slayer

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would come back with like like Tom
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on guitar, Like what the fuck? As I do? For a split

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second was like, so I'm just
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in Slayer right now, And that
really that was what made this whole thing

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feel even more insane to me.
It's when I thought Kerry King wasn't in

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it. I thought that's completely insane, and then it's oh no, no,

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don't why he's in the band.
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well questions. Yeah, and you
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you you marks, you shouldn't be
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or every band will always reunite when
the money is there. Yeah, all

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right, we know. Not really
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idea that Slayer would one day reunite. It's not something that like, even

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if you didn't expect it, that
you would ever completely write off, right,

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you know, for those reasons.
But I think I speak for everyone

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that you did not expect Slayer to
reunite in February of twenty twenty four.

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Like the timing of this is one
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seen. And like we said before, I think with the second announcement,

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when they were announcedly doing riot Fest
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lineup is exactly the same as it
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you know Tom Kerry, Poor bos
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But before that it was like,
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this? Like Tom and maybe Dave, like what the fuck is going on?

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Because it seems just unthinkable that Kerry
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career and doing that interview piece that
we spoke about, would reunite Slayer like

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that. And you know, I
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and look over the information we have, there are clear, you know,

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distinguishing features that make this, at
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would you know, make sense,
and you can see why he's kind of

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done that. But going back to
that Kerry King interview that wasn't months ago,

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that was like two weeks ago.
I think it was the episode before

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last of this show that we spoke
about that Kerry King interview piece, and

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we were speaking about like the headlines
of him, you know, talking about

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other members of the band, and
it seemed like one of those very likely

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you don't wish him dead right now, Yeah, but you know, it

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seemed like one of those you know, even if the door was left open

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for Slayer, it did seel like
it was happening right that fucking moment,

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did it? And this obviously opens
up this whole thing of like, okay,

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like how much did he know in
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to get the logistics of this going. You know, they won't have fucking

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offered Slayer this money last week,
right, Like you have to imagine this

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was on the cards unless that interview
itself was conducted like a while before it

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was published. I don't know,
but just the purely the timeline of this

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just sent my head reeling. I'm
like, I need to know exactly what

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point Danny Wimmer whipped his wallet out
to get this happening. I need to

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know exactly at what point in relation
to that that Kerry King in did he

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was done? How much did he
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that was just completely fucking what absolute
jokester this man is. Which particularly it's

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kind of funny because when that interview
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it's refreshingly honest, being that upfront
about how they feel. And then maybe

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he's keeping a Slayer union from us
in the interview, and it's like it's

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it's the weirdest time because we've been
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to start, and then two weeks
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it's like oh well, you know, obviously I'm still doing that, but

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oh yeah, sorry, Slayer's back. The reason I'm doing it's true,

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like I said, remove the any
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Oh yeah, you shouldn't be surprised
that they've reunited whatever, everyone always

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will, just purely the manner in
which this has happened completely insane. Like

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I feel giddy, I feel high
talking about the manner in which this fucking

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slayery has happened. It's so strange. What do you think about all this?

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What's your reaction? I mean,
I'm not gonna like be like,

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oh, Slayer back. I don't
want to see Slayer again, Like of

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course I want to see Slayer again. I am a little bit like am

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I going to Slay knowing that they
all all like currently not talking to each

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other and like hating each other on
stage? Is gonna be one of those

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ones. But Slayer, like you
know, we talked about like, oh,

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you'd love to see some of the
great metal songs ever played live again?

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So does it come to the UK? I don't know if it does,

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like I will probably try and go
like yeah, like maybe this detracts

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from how special that final run was
I didn't go to that, so that's

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one thing. Yeah, yeah,
But for me, like, I can't

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pretend I'm not happy Slayer in the
world. They might be, they might

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be my favorite metal band. I
just can't be mad that they're around.

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Like, even though you might go, oh, it's a bit lame them

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coming back and again doing like these
you know, but rock festivals and coming

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back in that fashion, is that
ideal? No, but I would go

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like, I can't say that I
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guess the kind of you know,
because the talk has been about, you

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know, that last Slayer run,
it has been. I guess it was

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the very it was almost like the
dying months of twenty nineteen that they properly

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played their like last show, didn't
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been you know, if we say
that this show is going to happen in

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I think it's like June. That's
four and a half years that Slayer were

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completely off the touring map. People
asking, you know, is that long

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enough? You made such a big
deal you never expected them to come back?

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Kind of you know what changed in
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again, if I were to remove
the cynical hat. Obviously we all know

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money plays into it. We all
know this, but to you know,

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to accept that more than one thing
can be true at once, which I

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know is a complicated thing for people
in the world, but to entertain that

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idea for a moment genuinely, Tom
Araya has clearly had a big sleep and

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he feels better after his Big four
and holt of year NAP. I would

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say, is what has changed here? And I know I say that flippantly,

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but I think that's clearly a major
factor in terms of You've got to

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think prior to the end of twenty
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about thirty five years, and come
the end, we all know who exactly

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wanted Slayer to stop. Tom needs
a rest. He's had five years,

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and for the first time in his
like adult life, I guess he has

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had far five years at home,
not touring, no banned responsibilities. And

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you know, some people are like, oh, the kind of pandemic has

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taken some years away or whatever,
so it's only been like a couple I

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feel like Tom Araya is one of
the people who that would have had the

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least relevance for at least in terms
of his plans and his kind of international

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activity. Right like Kerry in a
solo band. Yeah, like the Pandemic,

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you can factor in that shit got
delayed. Tom Pandemic got no pandemic.

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He was not going anywhere for the
first time in his life since started

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Slayer. He got that half a
decade of break. That is clearly just

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what he needed in order to at
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Just I needed to get the fuck
off the touring grid. I have

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had half a decade of rest.
Maybe I miss playing a little bit,

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if not dedicating solely to that lifestyle. Again. This is the thing,

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is I everyone st of saying,
Oh, it's a cash grab, that's

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all it is. You know,
there's two people in the band who have

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the decision to reform Slayer, and
we know one of them never wanted to

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go away, and like you said, we know Tom is the one that

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didn't want it to go away.
And you know they've got enough money to

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live comfortably for the rest of their
lives. I don't think it's that the

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money run out. I have no
idea. That's not my suspicion, Like

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you say, I can understand someone
being that drained but then wanting to go

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out and play Slayer songs and the
point of oh, we know they don't

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like each other. Now. Maybe
this is just me, but the appeal

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of Slayer has never been that it's
a band of best friends like brothers.

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If Bruce Springsteen did an interview and
he was like, I fucking hate the

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E Street Band, I love that. That'd be so funny. But like

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you know, Tom and Kerry,
it's not like they were interacting all that

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much on stage anyway. Yeah,
So that to me as a factor,

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isn't like that I wouldn't be up
there. I'm like, oh, come

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on, guys, hug it out, be friends. Yeah, but it's

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I think if I was in the
moment, it wouldn't bother me on that

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point. I considered that as well. And I think that, you know,

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like Kerry and Dave obviously hate each
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involved, right, Kerry and Tom, I think is more like a kind

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of coworker relationship. Like I don't
think Kerry was pulling any punches ultimately in

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terms of his relationship with Tom in
that interview piece. But again in his

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defense, he never said I have
any animosity towards Tom. You may remember

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he specifically said he doesn't wish Tom
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is the passive aggressiveness of that remark
makes me there's still something like yeah.

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But also that's kind of Kerry King, you know, That's that's how he

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is, that's his persona. I
think that you know, they are two

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guys who landed together on this special
thing, and no, they're probably not

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close friends. But does that matter
when they're up there on stage together in

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Slayer's case, I don't know if
it does. You know, it didn't

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stop them for the last decade plus, however long it was of them doing

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Slayer the first time, you know, by the sounds of it, not

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being the best of buddies in the
world. So like, you know,

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obviously, yeah, there is something
a little mercenary about it, but it's

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not a band based on a close
bond. If you like you need to

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get all romantic about that. I
don't think that really matters a great deal.

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It's more like, you know,
these people again, they come together

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and they contribute to the larger entity
that is Slayer. Some bands are like

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that, and you know, people
are totally capable of getting great results together

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without having to go to each other's
birthday parties and you know, each other's

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children's christenings or whatever. So,
like I Tom and Kerry are clearly not

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best friends. I don't think they
necessarily actively dislike each other, and I

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don't think that really has to play
into again the stage dynamic or whatever that

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much. I mean, no,
I agree, I mean it could all

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blow up on stage, is the
sort of thing. I'm like, there

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is that like in there. I'd
be very shocked. I would be shocking

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with him, but you know,
there's the possibility for me though, I'm

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like, because it's the fact that
that like, this isn't Slayer coming back

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as a full touring entity. This
is Slayer coming back in a way that

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suits Tom in his and how he
wants to do it now, and then

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like Kerry gets to come and do
the big Slayer shows and then obviously do

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his other stuff. It feels almost
like a kind of ideal scenario for them

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to get Slayer back. That's why
I'm kind of like not too like,

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oh, this is winning the magic
of it because it just feels like it

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just it just seems like a sort
of lodgs go away for them if they

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want to do Slayer, but Kerry
wants to tour and Tom doesn't want to

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do there you go, they both
kind of win. Well, I'm sort

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of curious now these Slayer shows being
a sporadic thing, where like you say,

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they're not on a touring cycle,
we can't guarantee Slayer are going to

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show up anywhere or again, I
wonder how popular that makes them now as

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a live entity. How big a
venue could you said they could be download

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headlined as if they were to come
over here, like well, I wonder

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like something like that, if it's
Slayer coming back, it might be the

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last time. Like it's not even
a guarantee that it's the last time,

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but it's just who knows. Is
a reformation more alowering than a Farewell?

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I think it plays more into the
because again, again, if you I

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hadn't considered the whole download thing,
but you know the Farewell show, which

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was explicitly build of that only headlined
the second stage at download, I would

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consider it more in the terms of
the exclusivity in that Slayer, you know,

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their entire existence basically had been a
regular thing, right, Like you

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could reliably c Slayer maybe even a
couple of time, yeah, like throughout

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their kind of peak. But if
they are only doing you know, if

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they turn up and go, yeah, this is our one fucking like European

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show in this particular window of however
many years they're going to be doing this

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for, like you know, the
exclusivity factor might play into a little bit,

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but again it's just the timing.
I need someone to go back to

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Kerry after that interview and go,
okay, let's go over everything you said

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again with a forensic comb you about
that just when he says I haven't spoken

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to him in years, I guess
maybe that could be true. This could

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be entirely done through you know,
agents and managers whatever. They haven't actually

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got into the room together. Yet
part of me was just like, how

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incredible would it be if everything in
that Kerry interview was just trolling lying through

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his teeth, like and we even
end up with like, hey, Dave

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Lombardo isn't dead to me after all? Try and get the buzz for the

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solo album, Yeah, trying to
pass all this information. I actually I

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don't think he has lied in that
interview. I think he's been selective with

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the truth. But I don't think
anything in what he said would be contradicted

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by what you've seen trying to part
all this information and figuring out in what

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capacity are Slayer about, because I
think that majorly factors into the kind of

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excitement level is immediate assessment I have
is Kerry King will release albums and do

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like more extensive, you know,
months long tours for example the Lamb of

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God and mastered on one that he
was announced as being in support on,

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you know, along with that album
announcement. Slayer will act purely as a

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legacy venture and will only perform these
very limited festival appearances because maybe again Tom

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maybe wants to play after having his
like five years off, But I don't

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think Tom has ever want to go
back to Tory. That's the thing that

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he completely left behind. And we've
seen similar things said about you know,

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the likes of Black Sabbath or whatever, where they were like, oh,

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yeah, you should never rule out
turning up for like one day at a

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festival or something. Kerry King obviously
still wants to write music and release music.

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Tom probably doesn't. He probably not
got that desire in him anymore.

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The best comparison that I could come
up with a couple other people mentioned as

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well, is the original Misfits shows, because the Misfits reunited with Glenn Danzig

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and Jerry Only and everyone, and
it was billed as, you know,

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the original Misfits, And that's that's
be going for what like five six years

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now at this point, and it's
still only done big US festival dates or

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like big you know, Madison Square
Garden, whatever type kind of headline shows.

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You could probably it's probably gone over
single digits at this point, but

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I would imagine they probably still played
less than like twenty shows total with that

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original Misfits kind of thing. And
I think when you see are the Misfits

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are back, we all instinctively know
that's not a creative entity, right,

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And I think that's part of a
thing that it's a bit of a misnomer.

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If you go, oh, Slayer
of reunited, Slayer are back,

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they're playing shows, They're not really
an active band, right, They're the

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original miss Fits. Like Emperor is
the other one that I thought of,

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who Emperor do exist in a live
capacity? You can see them. But

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Emperor, the artistic entity we all
know, stopped in two thousand and one

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and there hasn't been any attempt to
revive that. And you know, there

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are people out there clamoring for an
Emperor reunion, where an Emperor reunion is

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already a thing that exists that you
can go and see right now, But

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we all know what those people mean
because an Emperor creative reunion has not happened.

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And again, if the Misfits released
music right now, you'll probably instinctive

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reaction will be like, oh yeah, we'll just be Jerry only again,

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because he's the Kerry King in the
scenario. He's the guy who kind of

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kept that particular element. So again
there's I got a quote from Kerry King's

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interview that he did where he says, will Slay a tour again? I'm

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pretty sure that's not going to happen. Could Slayer play a show again?

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I'm sure there's a scenario. Now, there's obviously a wink in that statement

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now, but there is nothing in
there that is a lie, right He

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Yeah, he was sure there was
a scenario because it was coming up in

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the twenty twenty four festival calendar.
But a Slayer becoming a full scale touring

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operation right now. I think you'd
have to take his word and say no,

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and again when you look at Tom
and what he wants, and again

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what Gary Holt what he wants in
terms of like, you know, he

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committed to Slagh for a certain amount
of years, but he's I don't think

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he'd put extras on hold again for
that many. He'll happily do it like

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Tom part time right select dates.
I think that you can say, yeah,

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Slayer will exist in a very exclusive, limited handful of shows a year,

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and certainly they are not back to
being active releasing albums and touring them

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the whole time Slayer. So I
think Slayer as we knew them did stop

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in twenty nineteen. This is a
different thing. Yeah, I wo'd agree

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with all that. I think that's
fair. Like I I don't expect Slayer

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to even maybe do their own shows. I don't expect there to be Slayer

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dates outside of First and it's possible, but it would yeaheah. I mean,

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if Kerry's writing all the music,
which I think he did on You're

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pretty Smure, everything w repentless anyway, Well, the records we're going to

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get from Kerry King, are basically
going to be what the Slayer records would

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have exactly was it, except obviously
he did different things whereas Kerry displayed Slayer

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songs, but you know the analogy
world, Yeah, it's what they did.

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Yeah, And I think if they
can pull that off, like the

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Misfits reunion has been really frustrating as
a fan in the UK, but if

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loving it, well, that's it. And they have managed to keep up

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that kind of aura of oh my
god, the missing eight years now that

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that union has been going, they
and they've kept that going. Twenty sixty

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was the first miss original shows.
Yeah, whereas you know, even things

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like guns and Roses. When that
was initially announced, it was like,

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oh, you're fucking joking. He
guns and Roses are back, and now

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people seem a bit tired of or
Black Sabbath. When they brought Aussie back

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within four years, people are like, oh, you know, it's sort

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of it's done. It's like people
can get really used to things really quickly.

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And I think for Slayer emulating that
Misfits model, it's not a bad

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idea. Yeah. I think the
only question mark would be, like Kerry

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King basically sort of pulling the carpet
out from under his own feet, you

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know, in terms of getting his
solo career running, and then within two

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weeks of the first single going oh
yeah, Slayer back, and I know

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again for him it's different things.
I can understand it being a different thing.

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I will treat it as a different
thing in terms of like, oh

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yeah, Kerry King, We're actually
going to get new music, right,

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He's actually going to again be that
touring throughout the year kind of guy.

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I just think in terms of,
again, outside perception, it's a bit

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mad in terms of timing it like
that. In terms of how I feel

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about it, you know, considering
like one of my top five favorite bands

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of all time of just ann outs
their coming back, I'm shockingly neutral on

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this whole thing. Like, I
don't really know if it affects anything apart

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from like a few people this summer, maybe a couple of summers after are

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going to get to see a legacy
version of Slayer because going back to again,

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how much does a band return if
they are returning in this capacity rather

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than the full creative, you know, proper comeback. For me, I

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sometimes think we put a little too
much stock in terms of like, oh,

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you're ruining your legacy by existing and
those type of things, Because recording

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is one thing. If if Slayer
came back and released more records, that

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maybe would have diminishing returns the way
you know, a lot of people already

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do think that their two thousands work
had and people would rather a Slayer of

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stopped, you know, whether it
be after Seasons and the abyss, after

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God Hates Us or whatever. Yeah, I guess I would rather that didn't

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happen and Slayer returned to just being
exactly the way they were in twenty fifteen.

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I will happily lap up Kerry stuff
without kind of tampering with that,

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you know, lineage or whatever.
But I don't need Slayer to make albums

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until they're literally dead. But this
kind of reunion we've seen plenty of in

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recent years in terms of like we
seem to live in an era when it's

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kind of become the norm that like
bands can you know, in a the

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commas reunites and we all immediately know
that what that means is a like a

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legacy appearance version of what that is, as opposed to maybe what a band

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come back might have meant twenty years
ago, where you go, okay,

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cool, when's the new album?
And even the bands which come back and

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do do new records, it's not
the first time or the first time they

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come back that they'll come back,
do a couple of years of shows,

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go away again, then come back
with a record like the Gates. No,

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I don't think this is gonna that's
gonna happen, and then say it's

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all right, No, we actually
are really back now, guys, we're

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going to do a record. I
do think, and I agree that we

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put too much stock in you're playing
shows again. Therefore it's not completely perfect

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and that's shit. Like, I
don't think it makes much of a difference

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at all to the legacy And you
know, do I want the norm to

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be bands coming back and not making
records. Not really. I wouldn't have

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seen Slayer making more records if they
broken up in the first place. That's

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what I sort of think as well. I think if Slayer had got to

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says, they would have just written
out as a legacy band at that point,

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whether they broke up or not.
So it's almost like they're just carrying

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on as they were, just with
a five year gap to let certain members

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get some interest in playing live again. Yeah, I think for me it

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almost it creates a bit of a
divide, like a kind of split in

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the road in terms of like where
you would judge, you know, a

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band's legacy, because it's not the
full thing anymore. It's it becomes a

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museum piece, doesn't it. Like
it's a thing that you can visit to

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see what it was all about,
really, and you you can have like

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the most moving, important, earth
shattering experience is witnessing that kind of thing.

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You know, I've had that with
Emperor. I fucking wish I could

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have that with the Misfits, you
know, more easily. But it's something

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preserved in stasis more than it is
like the continuing evolution of that band,

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because the story stopped. And you
know that there are cases where that sort

407
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,039
of museum piece approach can fuck with
things a bit. I think you would

408
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:59,519
point at a system of a down
as the band where what you were saying

409
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,720
sad about, oh do they hate
each other is most prominent. I would

410
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:04,559
say that, you know, System
actually do seem to have kind of you

411
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,720
know, they bump off each other
more in the way that I don't think

412
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,599
certainly, Tom and Kerry, like
I said, seems more like that kind

413
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,519
of just sort of like coworker type
relationship. But if these shows go well

414
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,920
and the people have fun at them, I don't think that really means anything

415
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,160
for Slayer in the history. But
it's kind of positive or negative, you

416
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,279
know, like when all said and
done, when Slayer's place is judged,

417
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,559
They're not going to be judged on
twenty twenty four reunion shows that produce no

418
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,079
music. You know, Rain and
Blood is going to overshadow all of that

419
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,359
by itself, and people who discover
Slayer in twenty years time are not going

420
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,079
to be thinking about these fucking shows. Bolt Thrower existed for like ten years

421
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:41,920
past their final record that they refuse
to release follow up to, and nowadays

422
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,640
they're viewed as having this kind of
like perfect legacy. You know. Personally,

423
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,720
my Slayer experience was perfect, Like
I saw them. I think it

424
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:56,079
was four times between the release of
Repentless and the very final New K show.

425
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,039
Some of those are like in my
you know, Hall of Fame favorite

426
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:03,920
ever shows and again that Farewell that
download last show was perfect. I don't

427
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:08,000
feel I need to see Slayer and
kind of add more onto the end of

428
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,319
that, like, if this never
leave the US the way the Misfits one

429
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,759
hasn't, I personally won't be sad. Like if it did and they come

430
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,920
to a festival, I think again, even I don't think I would even

431
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:25,039
specifically buy a ticket to a festival
to see this returning Slayer show the way

432
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:29,200
I made sure I got to that
download twenty nineteen last show. But if

433
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,680
they were at a festival, was
already at you know, a Bloodstog or

434
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,200
whatever, of course you go see
and obviously watch them, and I'd probably

435
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,680
lose my fucking voice again, Like
it would be an amazing, unreal hour

436
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,160
and a half the way they always
were for me. I just feel in

437
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,279
terms of my personal Slayer narrative,
it's sort of neither here nor there,

438
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:49,039
And when that is the case,
I don't really see the need to get

439
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,240
kind of in any kind of twist
about it. Yeah, I think,

440
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,319
like you say, there's loads of
bands who have gone away and come back

441
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:03,039
and well birds are active now who
people don't seem to care one way or

442
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:07,359
the other and it's not really affecting
their legacy. So if Slayer came back

443
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,440
and they were playing a festival.
I struggled to think of really any bands

444
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,160
I'd go and see instead of them. I can't imagine a clash. Well,

445
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,000
like the last Slayer show clashed with
Tall until of a band I still

446
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,240
haven't seen and wanted to see for
about a decade, and it was like,

447
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,079
well, not up against Slayer.
It's that sort of thing for me.

448
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:30,200
But I mean, now that you're
saying it, my experience that I've

449
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,839
seen the last, not the very
last one of Slayer shows for the last

450
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:37,279
few years all amazing, and particularly
the last one is really close to my

451
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:42,200
eye in terms of the best gigs
I ever went to. And as much

452
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,559
as I want to preserve that,
like either know, I'm sort of being

453
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,680
pulled in opposite directions. I would
love to see it. I can't imagine

454
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,599
missing it, but I do kind
of want to preserve that that perfect memory.

455
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,279
Yeah, I think ultimately you've got
to judge this on what it is,

456
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,119
you know, And I think you've
got to remember Slayer not coming back

457
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,759
in terms of a return to exactly
what they were prior to that last show

458
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,400
in twenty nineteen. They are not
going back to becoming a full touring entity.

459
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Which is the thing that Tom wanted
to stop in the first place.

460
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,799
They are not releasing new music,
which is what Kerry is continuing to do,

461
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:17,839
and that's what you go to that
project for. These are just things

462
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:19,839
that exist that you can see and
if you want to do that, then

463
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,960
go along. I guess why not. So that's our judgment of immediate judgment

464
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:32,799
on the fucking mental timing of fucking
Slayer being back. All Right, this

465
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,799
was going to be I suppose it
still is pretty live big live music news,

466
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,160
perhaps more so in the UK because
that's where it is happening. Trivium

467
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:45,720
and bullet My Valentine all week have
been teasing a date that you know,

468
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,640
we knew what it was. There
was never any mystery is what this could

469
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,119
be? Yeah, it is of
course the twentieth anniversary combined tours for the

470
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:59,839
Poison and Ascendency, which both turned
twenty in twenty twenty five. That is

471
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,039
actually happening over here, as opposed
to the Master is a world tour.

472
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,200
It is going to be a world
I watched the whole press event. They

473
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,000
have said world tour is happening,
but it starts in the UK because the

474
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,200
UK's wear Trivium and Bullet like had
to their first moment. That's entirely fair

475
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,480
enough. That is obviously going to
be happening in twenty twenty five. It's

476
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,839
starts in January here carries over into
February. It is co headlining arenas between

477
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,200
the two of them. They're playing
the O two in London for example,

478
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,599
and yeah, Ascendency and The Poison
in full. I think this is always

479
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,240
going to be a big event for
you know, certain persuasions of people out

480
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640
there. How exciting are you for
this? Because myself I kind of you

481
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,519
know, I love both of these
records. In terms of like an event,

482
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:48,039
this maybe means slightly less to me
than some other similar things I see.

483
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,759
For me, I'm like, I
know, we've talked so much about

484
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,240
nostalgia and excessive album in fall shows
and all of that sort of stuff.

485
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,960
But I see these two bands on
a co headline of play these two albums,

486
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,799
and I just like the the me
discovering metal through The Poison and Ascendency

487
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,640
and then these sort of albums,
and like I go, well, yeah,

488
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,559
that's just going to be an amazing
time. And again, like true,

489
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,279
it's like Trivin play most of acendency
life anyway, So they like,

490
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,720
yeah, it's not got that as
the kind of thing. But I'm also

491
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,839
just like I think it's as one
of those you can just get caught up

492
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,680
in the moment of these two bands
kind of having their big mom like they're

493
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,480
going to take a big swing and
play their biggest shows ever, Like let's

494
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,359
just get quite up in the moment. They've been treated as a really big

495
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:36,400
deal, Like you said, you
just watched a press confer a press conference

496
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,799
thing for it, like you know, they're they're treating this like a actual

497
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:45,440
moment in history. They talked about
like the bands like excuse their ascendency,

498
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,799
where like they had two thousand and
five where they were going from like tiny

499
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,720
venues the tent download game moved to
the main stage, going from like five

500
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,000
hundred venues to bricks and academy in
their first on like that first year.

501
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,519
They really are trying to sell this
as like these are two bands with history

502
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,519
coming together to play a shows together
for the first time and they've never done

503
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,279
it in a way like this,
and yeah, it's really being sold as

504
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,799
a major event. It's interesting to
me because they you know, they ascended

505
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,440
these two bands and got to sort
of a state of public consciousness in the

506
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,359
same scene at the same time.
But they've seen what they're in such different

507
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,440
places in twenty at least in twenty
twenty four, who knows the next year,

508
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:30,119
But like Bullet for My Valentine are
maybe the bigger band, but they

509
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,720
feel kind of like that feels way
more like a nostalgia thing, even though

510
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:37,400
even though they're both playing their older
records in full, Trivium are kind of

511
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,680
as popular as they've ever been and
as critically acclaimed on the run of their

512
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,799
career. Yeah, I think that
we we all knew that certainly Ascendency was

513
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:51,880
coming because Matt literally said so the
last time they were in the UK.

514
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,400
They were right, because they said
that this year twenty twenty four, they

515
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,839
would largely be sort of taking a
year after kind of recharge. But they

516
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,400
always said, but twenty twenty five, you know exactly what record is.

517
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,079
Turning twenty you know exactly what we're
going to do for that. There was

518
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:09,039
never any fucking anticipation or mystery about
that. You could have told me in

519
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:13,679
twenty twenty that Trivia were going to
do a twenty year Ascendency tour. In

520
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,599
twenty twenty five and fair enough celebrate
that album. Yeah, give that album.

521
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,440
It's Flowers and they because they always
do make such a big deal of

522
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,239
it. I think for me that's
why I'm like, if I was at

523
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,840
this show and may well be,
I don't know, it will be amazing.

524
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,559
Again, It's another one of those
things. It's another of those things

525
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,079
where that it's clearly an amazing time, I just don't know if it necessarily

526
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,599
like is the most exciting thing to
me in terms of like the Poison.

527
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,000
I have literally seen them do that
record in full before. Icly, I've

528
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,679
never seen that. I didn't go, yeah, well there you go.

529
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,639
That's where your own personal prison will
come into. How excited you are for

530
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,239
this The Poison I have seen them
do before and Ascendency, as you say.

531
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,880
For me, that's my second favorite
Trivia record. It's obviously an absolute

532
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,199
ten out of ten Hall of Famer, but it is the Trivian record that

533
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,639
they play the most from all the
time. Anyway, and going to see

534
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,280
Trivium, you know, nearly every
touring cycle for the last ten years or

535
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:06,079
so, I have seen, like
I would imagine got to be almost every

536
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,960
single track on there's maybe like one
or two songs on the album you had

537
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,480
the real deep cuts you haven't.
That's it. So like So for example,

538
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,239
last year when they did that little
tour and there was the sort of

539
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,800
like themed Shogun mini celebration where they
were playing a bunch of deep cuts from

540
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,360
Shogun, that to me was more
exciting and more exclusive for me in terms

541
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,840
of something I have to see than
this is because this is them touring a

542
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,599
record that they always fucking you know
again the last UK tour properly when they

543
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,199
did they're doing the dead Men's Dragon
stuff. They were still opening with rain

544
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:40,559
rather than any of the new ones
or anything. So there's there's little to

545
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:45,880
me this is a clearly great night
that isn't really considering it's a twenty year

546
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,760
anniversary thing, it's not that exclusive
in terms of seeing the material. I

547
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,599
think what is almost the biggest story
of the fact that they are together pushing

548
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,480
into you know, arenas and doing
something like the O two, which neither

549
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,880
band is able to do on their
own, and I guess, you know,

550
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,920
and seeing something like particularly for me, is trivia in an arena is

551
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920
like, oh shit, yeah,
that's where you should belong. In a

552
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,079
just world. It's sort of thing
where you can say that both bands could

553
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:12,199
reliably shift five thousand tickets and then
they could sell out bricks and academy reliably.

554
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,880
So you go two together, that's
Wembley, you'd say they could reliably

555
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,679
do Wembley. They're going, but
they're going double that since you with the

556
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:21,960
O two. They're they're really swinging
big with it, and like through this

557
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,679
film was like a sort of like
as our last this gambit to kind of

558
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:28,400
go like, right, if we
can have this tourk go, well take

559
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,280
us seriously as like potential down the
headline the sort of style bands at this

560
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,800
point and fair enough if you want
to, you know, just do that,

561
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,519
hell Mary, like, let's go
for it. Let's go one last

562
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:42,840
big hurrah with it. Yeah,
and I think i' mean too honest,

563
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,440
I'm pretty staggered that they've gone for
the O two, and I admire the

564
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,679
boldness as well for them. Yeah, I mean, it'd be great to

565
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:53,960
see it sell out, But I
don't have either of these bands headlined Wembley.

566
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,119
The headlined Wembley twice, but that
that's not been since like twenty fourteen.

567
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,039
They like, right, Marst a
Reena bulleted was Ali Pally in twenty

568
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:07,480
eighteen. Yeah yeah, I mean, like if the nostalgia dollar has never

569
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:08,960
been worth more so, if they're
building it as a sort of it's the

570
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,840
two thousand and five again, then
that's the thing, isn't that the baby

571
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,239
seals right now? Yeah? So
for me, not the most like exciting

572
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,719
anniversary tour, even though again at
least one of these records I would call

573
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,039
an absolute ten out of ten Hall
of Famer. But it is a clearly

574
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:29,760
big old night that I hope you
again goes well for everyone involved. Considering

575
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,639
we've been talking for a while already, this is actually, you know,

576
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:35,159
the next thing we're getting into.
Not many, I guess, individual pieces

577
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,159
of news, but a few really
massive ones. This week. Power Trip

578
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:44,280
have essentially confirmed that they are going
to be carrying forward. They you may

579
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,800
remember, played a little secret show
supporting was It Fugitive? Was officially quite

580
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Fugitive, and you know, obviously
a lot of members in that band involved.

581
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,079
Power Trip turned up did a secret
set and the footage of that,

582
00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:59,559
you know, went out, Oh
my god, fucking power Trip aer back.

583
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:02,480
They had seth the vocalist Fugitive filling
in, you know, for Riyling

584
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,719
Gale doing the vocals on that,
and I think from that point, from

585
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,119
the moment they did that secret set, I guess it's almost been I've almost

586
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,000
felt like it would be a kind
of like, Okay, you're doing it.

587
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,719
You know, like if you've made
the effort to do that, you've

588
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,880
got Seth to fucking you know,
come in and fill that role and everything.

589
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,039
It seemed like it would be,
you know, an eventuality, maybe

590
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:29,000
sooner rather than later. But they
have announce here that they are going to

591
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,519
be again no creative plans or anything
right now, and I would certainly continue

592
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:35,480
to not rush them in that regard, but they are, you know,

593
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,960
they're following the Slayer route here and
saying that they're going to be playing some

594
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,719
festival shows across twenty twenty four.
The first of those is happening at a

595
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,440
place called No Values Festival in California, which if anyone wants to pay you

596
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,880
to fly me out to this particular
event. They speaking of a few original

597
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,639
Misfits they're there. This is a
fucking punk bill, isn't it. This

598
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,480
is this is a cool like it's
a little bit when we were young for

599
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:00,880
Dad punk. It is a little
bit bit at EC's hardcore. But there's

600
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:05,800
a few new names in there,
mad like like like you'd expect, like

601
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,679
you got when they Peppering though those
odd Coore new bands. You've got the

602
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:15,199
obligatory scal Soul Glow MS Paint all
in their life, The Agraa boys are

603
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:19,760
there. It's mad seeing Power Trip
and Dillander Escape Plan logos next to which

604
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,639
other on the side by side,
like it is twenty seventeen again, you

605
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,960
know. I mean it's like Turnstile
being in that top bracket beneath your two

606
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:30,039
headliners, like again, like they
are just like legit massive. Now it's

607
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,000
I look at this like I'd have
a lovely time at that. But yeah,

608
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,880
but obviously the big news there is
that Power Trip are you know,

609
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:38,679
committing to doing you know a little
bit more. And I feel like,

610
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,719
you know, we've kind of said
everything there is to say about the kind

611
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,800
of the current states of the Power
Trip reunion. We just sort of wish

612
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,679
them the best of luck and hope
that things are all, you know,

613
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,920
grand. If they get to anything
more than that, than great, But

614
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,119
we at least have news that there
is more Power Trip in the world.

615
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:59,719
Than there was prior to this.
Vogue announced this week that he is stepping

616
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,760
down from Machinehead, the band that
who he has played a role in since

617
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,960
twenty nineteen. I believe that was
when he joined the band. Obviously,

618
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:09,480
when he joined that band, he
did not expect what then happened. So,

619
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,199
you know, the kind of the
COVID you know, like on and

620
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,800
off. How many years were really
kind of able to be sort of you

621
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,360
know, taking advantage of, I
guess is a question for another day,

622
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,840
but this is I don't know.
I feel like there are sort of mixed

623
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,000
feelings on both, you know,
Voge's tenure in machine Head and the news

624
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:37,360
that it is now come to an
end. What's your, I guess assessment

625
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,519
of the kind of you know,
this era machine Head experiment in terms of

626
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:46,280
their you know, lineup. I
guess I never expected him to be a

627
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:52,760
permanent fixture because obviously there's a whole
overloaded bagage comes into capitel. But if

628
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,519
the cabinet are going to be you
know, back, that's probably always going

629
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:59,280
to be his first kind of priority. And it's hard to juggle that with

630
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,159
being in machine Head, you know, one of the biggest like metal bands.

631
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,280
Around, so like he never felt
like this was a he was going

632
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,639
to be with machine Head the entire
time. And again, like I quite

633
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:13,679
liked that last Machine in An album. I think he did it. He

634
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,719
was a good fit to kind of
step in and sort of steady the ship

635
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,599
for them, But it never felt
like this is what you know is going

636
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,760
to be going forward all the time. Yeah, I'm kind of I think

637
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,840
it's a bit of a shame because
his tenure feels like a bit of a

638
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:31,159
wasted opportunity. Like since Phil and
Dave left, it's kind of been hard

639
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:35,920
to not see Machinehead as the Rob
Flynn show. But Vog being a member

640
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,559
who himself has had already such a
credible, respectable career in an extreme metal

641
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,400
he seemed like a sort of legitimate
contender, a sort of person who would

642
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,800
have enough, even if like widespread
fame, enough experience to kind of contend

643
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:52,960
with Rob. And he was such
a good riff writer, and I was

644
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,440
really excited to hear what he could
do in that band. Maybe that was

645
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,559
me, you know, expecting too
much, but I kind of wanted to

646
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:05,400
know what hit there the way Robin
Phil Demol had such an amazing dynamic I

647
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,320
wanted to know what it would be
like with Vog and looking back at the

648
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,719
credits of that last album, which
you know, I thought was pretty good

649
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,519
too, I think he only co
wrote one song and it's on Hallowed,

650
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:20,840
which doesn't really sound anything like what
Vog's done before. So I mean,

651
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,239
maybe he expects to have more of
a role and hasn't been able to see

652
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,519
that. So just thought, well, I can either be in this band

653
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,440
and sort of be a session player
or go back to Decapitated. The thing

654
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,320
that the thing that did strike me
as honestly, I'm saying it had to

655
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,079
happen sooner or later. I don't
really know why you would join a band

656
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:38,960
like Machine as a full time member
if you kind of go, ah,

657
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,880
well, you know it's a this
is only temporary. That's the bit I

658
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,840
actually have the no sympathy for,
because again considering you know, when he

659
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,719
joined, he did not expect COVID
then knockout, you know, a couple

660
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,400
of years fully of Tory and everything. I think the answer to that is

661
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,039
because I've seen people voice a similar, you know question, like why would

662
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,840
you even bother joining if you knew
you were going to back to Decapitated.

663
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:05,320
You know that that quickly is it's
just experiences. You know. It's like

664
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,760
he got to join a band who
he's presumably a big fan of, who

665
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,599
are much bigger than his own band. He got to do, you know,

666
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,840
play with a different bunch of musicians, play with fucking Rob Flynn and

667
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,719
tour and just have fun playing those
songs. And even if he then goes

668
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:24,920
back to Decapitated on a personal level, does that invalidate the great experiences that

669
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,880
he had being on the road with
them, playing with them or whatever.

670
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:30,800
I don't know if it does,
you know, like you know, when

671
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:34,239
this is very existential, but you
know when whenever Vog dies and he looks

672
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,320
back over his life, is he
going to go, I really wasted a

673
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,599
few their use their own machine head
when I should just be in to Capito,

674
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:42,000
I know, go like, oh
yeah, that was a cool thing

675
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,360
that I did, you know.
And so that's a bit I have sympathy

676
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,000
for in terms of like, yeah, I sort of felt similarly, and

677
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,400
that, like, you know,
as long as he said, like,

678
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,559
yeah, I'm going to be doing
Decapitated as well, Decapitate is not going

679
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:53,440
anywhere I was. That's that's his
baby, that's always going to be what

680
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,880
he prioritized in the same sense as
you know, Gary Holt with Exus,

681
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,559
like we were saying earlier, but
he got those experiences of playing and being

682
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,599
a member of machine there for a
while, So why the fuck not?

683
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,920
In that regard, my concern is
more with like you were saying, the

684
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:15,440
kind of machine Head and the last
you know, the post Philan Davis.

685
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:21,719
The problem was always that it never
quite felt like there actually was like a

686
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,159
solidified this is machine Head kind of
identity of players. Like even the way

687
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:29,239
that they made that last record I
believe, you know, was it like

688
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,000
Rob made most of it with like
another drummer in the studio rather than the

689
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,159
guy they're playing live with. Something
along these lines, And would I have

690
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,559
liked to have seen, you know, full on this is like the four

691
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:45,840
fucking guys in machine Head really coming
together and making something, maybe with more

692
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,480
visible input from someone like Vague who
has his very own distinctive writing style and

693
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,760
everything. Yeah, that I think
would have been cool to see. In

694
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,559
regards to you know, Vague having
any regrets or whatever, I don't think

695
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,440
majorly he will. I hope he
and Rob are on good terms like,

696
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,920
I haven't seen a statement or anything
from Rob's side, but I hope that

697
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,079
he gives them, you know,
the old kind of salute and cheers for

698
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,599
everything you've done for the last few
years. But you know, I agree

699
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:15,400
that, Like I'm glad that they
had fun, but I wish a little

700
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,639
more I'd come out of it,
certainly, And I do hope that,

701
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,360
you know, machine Head are able
to actually properly get a fucking lineup like

702
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:25,119
a proper This is machine Head gang
mentality type wine up the way that they

703
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:29,920
did for so many years prior to
that. One piece of new music this

704
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,119
week, it is a new single
from Gate Creeper. It's called Court in

705
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:36,840
the Treads. Presumably this will be
from an upcoming album. This song,

706
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,440
I remember them playing this live at
Bloodstock last year. They've been playing this

707
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,519
one live for a while, and
it's always a good sign from that that,

708
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,880
like main hook of kind of the
tanks roll on one by one has

709
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,199
been in my head and I've remembered
that song from them playing them live,

710
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,960
which from a band debuting a new
song live you don't always do. And

711
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,519
Gate Creeper, like they aren't,
I like them a lot. They aren't

712
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:00,639
one of my very favorite go to
current death metal bands, But this song

713
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,840
is fucking sick. It's massive.
This like it's got a real like meanness

714
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,880
whilst being kind of anthemic by like, I don't melow death to say,

715
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,239
from the kind of like version that
I heard, there's a lot of melody

716
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,119
in the back end of it where
it really gets quite like grand in that

717
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:20,320
sort of sound, while still just
sound like a tank rolling over everything in

718
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,559
its path. But I'm I think
this is wicked. Yeah, Gate Creeper

719
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,960
would I mean like youpa and they
were never one of my absolute favorites of

720
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,239
the new death metal bands, but
that like foam, the bell tolls,

721
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:32,679
stomp and that mellow death rift like, I mean, if it didn't sound

722
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,480
so scuzy, that could be a
kill switch riff. And hearing them go

723
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,519
at that pace with a riff like
that, I mean, you wouldn't want

724
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:42,679
it to go any faster. You
just want to luxuriate in it. This

725
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,079
I mean, like I've always liked
Gate Creeper. I like this as much

726
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:50,519
as any song I've ever heard.
From that this They've I've gone from kind

727
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:54,159
of vaguely exciting for the next record
so I think this is really promising.

728
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,320
Yeah, I would agree. You'd
have to put this up there. We're

729
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,639
currently the best songs they've they've released, and yeah, that's very bodes very

730
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:06,159
well for upcoming Gate Creeper material and
the last piece of news we have before

731
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:07,119
we finally get into the album review
show, which is what this is meant

732
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:10,519
to be. But this is quite
a sobering piece of news, I guess,

733
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,079
along with all the other big mad
headline grabbing stuff that we've spoken about

734
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,719
so far. But Jamie Lemmon a
couple of days ago took to his social

735
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,360
media to post a little video in
which he announced that he is essentially retiring

736
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:29,320
from music that you know, the
last ten years of him kind of doing

737
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,360
solo, you know, coming out
with that Muscle Memory record, and then

738
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,920
all of the years of touring and
shows and records that have come since that,

739
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,119
that is basically something that he now
wants to put behind him. You

740
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:42,719
know, are very much like I've
enjoyed this, but also he talks about

741
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,960
there being stresses involved in things like
that that kind of make him want to

742
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,480
move on to different things. And
this is I don't know, it's a

743
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,760
bit like I know, that Jamie
Lemmon, particularly sort of the like you

744
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,920
know, sort of twenty seventeen Devolver
time or whatever, was like a real

745
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,320
sort of T and M fan favor. I know that he obviously would caninue

746
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,320
to be that for many people up
to this point. I'd say personally,

747
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,000
I kind of I always enjoyed what
he put out, but not a lot

748
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,760
of it. I guess post that
particular time really stuck with me. And

749
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,920
it has been like some years since
I've seen a Jamie Lemmon show, but

750
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,280
it was always was. He was
a reassuring presence, you know. It

751
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,119
was nice to have around, and
he did a lot of cool stuff and

752
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:27,000
doing things like len Mania, putting
on a bunch of other bands and doing

753
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:29,920
like I remember he put out that
song with Justine Jones, who was probably

754
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,719
like, you know, not as
recognizable a figure as he was at that

755
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,880
point in time. And that's a
cool thing to do. And yeah,

756
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,320
it feels like, you know,
it would not be right for T and

757
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,760
M to not kind of take a
major moment to off the cap here to

758
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,119
Jamie Lemmon, if he does indeed
intend on retiring from from being a part

759
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:51,119
of our world. Yeah, I
think he was always like a really again,

760
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,360
I've not cared as much for the
last couple of like release he's done,

761
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,639
but that sort of stuff muscle memory, I still think is like a

762
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:04,920
genuine like twenty tenth class incredible.
But I think him just as a presence

763
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,800
as a figurehead for what he kind
of how he would lift bands up and

764
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:12,039
being a really just sort of like
one of a kind character do like a

765
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,840
lot of really cool, interesting stuff
that to me kind of made up for

766
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,000
even if I wasn't always completely sold
on the music. And I think like

767
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,280
his presence just made this music scene
particularly sort of niche of it of like

768
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:28,159
that kind of like hardcore two thousand
Trees, he kind of adjacent sort of

769
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,719
space of like that sort of thing. He was always grateful to have there.

770
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,119
And I think if he is going
to step back, I hope maybe

771
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,800
at some point he fighting again.
He just needs the time away to sort

772
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,320
of rekindle that. But yeah,
just like all the best to him.

773
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,159
Yeah, I think, like you
say, of that two thousand Trees sort

774
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:50,119
of scene. Alway thought he's one
of the most distinctive and inventive songwriters absolutely

775
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,880
to emerge from that world in the
last ten to fifteen years, like Ruben

776
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,440
whenever a band I particularly clicked with. I really liked all the solo records.

777
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,440
And I don't know if he wants
anything to do with music at this

778
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,719
moment, and it might be a
bit early to start, you know,

779
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,280
guessing about that, but he is
one of those people who I think could

780
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,320
kind of reinvent himself as maybe a
pundit the way Justin Hawkins has. Because

781
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,360
in terms of people who I've heard
talk about music who are in music,

782
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,079
He's got one of the most.
He always has his fresh, interesting perspectives

783
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,960
and I think that bled into his
art. So if he's I mean,

784
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:28,119
maybe doesn't want to, but I
think it's something he could do if he

785
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:31,760
wanted to, and if not,
then he'll just be just he'll be one

786
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,840
of the really fantastic figureheads of the
last ten years of British rock. Yeah,

787
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,199
I mean he in his little announcement
he speaks about wanting to basically pursue

788
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:44,679
things like voice acting and he writes
children's books and stuff like that, So

789
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,639
he's basically he wants to do other
things that aren't music based creative endeavors.

790
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,920
Yeah, And I think in that
regard, like I I don't listen to

791
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,360
them like an awful lot, I
guess, but Ruben I do really like,

792
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,239
and I think Ruben both all three
Ruben records for the you know,

793
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,599
the sphere of rocky that they exist
in, are fantastic, and my favorite

794
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,360
of them is very Fast, very
dangerous, and the best song on it

795
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,880
is the closing track on that record, Return of the Jedi, which is

796
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,679
this huge, you know, epic, fucking seven minute, you know,

797
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:20,480
everything going on inside Jamie Lemon's head
kind of odyssey and it ends and the

798
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:22,440
kind of reason is that is it
ends up being this really fucking tragic song

799
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:28,760
written by a guy who kind of
feels like the industry and the world is

800
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,480
ignoring him, and it ends on
in repeating this, I won't bothered to

801
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:32,800
sing, you know, to play
my music. I won't bothered to sing

802
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,719
my songs. And it's fucking heartbreaking. And I think when Reuben went away

803
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,719
that was sort of the feeling and
the people who were into Ruben at that

804
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,679
time were like, this, that
was our fucking guy, right, This

805
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,960
was you know, some of the
best songwriting in this scene that we have,

806
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:52,360
and no one cared and it sank
and it led to him kind of

807
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,119
you know, those five years or
whatever between Ruben breaking up and Ulso maybe

808
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,519
coming out Jamie Lemon I think was
a bit of like a ghost of like,

809
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,760
you know, he was not present
at all, and I think that's

810
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,199
what made his solo you know,
renaissance, so like one of the major

811
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,199
like heartwarming stories of like the twenty
tens for the people who were into you

812
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,320
know, his music prior to that
point, seeing him kind of get his

813
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,159
views the way he did at that
time, and this to me, you

814
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,440
know, you might get a sort
of a flashback at that moment, but

815
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,960
at the very least, you watch
his video and everything, and it's going

816
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,519
away for different reasons, and he
does seem kind of at peace with things,

817
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,800
and he seems kind of happy,
and so while it is again you

818
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,159
might be very disappointed to see Jamie
Leman go if you're a huge fan of

819
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,559
his you know, continuing records,
But at the very least, I think,

820
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:46,119
you know, someone going getting the
renaissance he's had and then going away

821
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:49,639
on his own terms, rather than
feeling like he did at the end of

822
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,679
Ruben of like, oh I didn't
make it and no one cares. What's

823
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:54,960
The fucking point is, you know
that the last ten years of music has

824
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,760
certainly mattered in that sense, and
it's absolutely you know, fed into that.

825
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,559
And yeah, we wish Jamie Lemmon
or all the best with whatever he

826
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,079
decides to do creatively, and if
he ever does make a record again,

827
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,079
then you know there'll be many,
many people who are absolutely welcoming back with

828
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:16,480
open arms. Okay, the rest
of this podcast is going to be the

829
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:22,320
reviews show for February of twenty twenty
four. Already a big episode so far,

830
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,039
but we've got some big records to
talk about. To slightly little plug

831
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:30,280
before we get to that Patreon this
week, the latest mega thing that we

832
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,199
have over there is the Alexus on
Fire Band special that we've started. You

833
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,639
know, if you only listen to
the review shows, if you've not tuned

834
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,679
into the Hyperblast and you've not heard
us hype this up, yeah I'll do

835
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,760
so. Right now. We are
conducting our full epic band special treatment as

836
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,920
we always do, going into so
much detail on one of the greatest kind

837
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:54,599
of post hardcore two thousand's rock bands, and I feel we are, really

838
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:59,079
we're digging into some really great stuff
with that band. Again. Might not

839
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,480
always kind of be aired in terms
of like what makes them who they are.

840
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:07,199
The first part we did went up
to the Crisis record. We are

841
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,559
going to be continuing that in a
couple weeks time, with everything after that

842
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,119
point going to all the side projects
and all that business. So really good

843
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:17,840
stuff going on there. However,
next week, as always follows the reviews

844
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,440
show, we have album club pack. I've got albums to announce to you

845
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:29,400
that are going to be in that
pack. First up, Sam tweeted a

846
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,280
little while ago that they were getting
more into Rush after watching the wrestling movie

847
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,280
The Iron Claw. I saw that
tweet and went right cracking the knuckles.

848
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,639
It's fucking time that we once again
return to doing a Rush album club.

849
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,159
But we're not doing you know,
we've done moving pictures long ago in the

850
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:49,519
past. We're not doing one of
the really obvious ones. We're going to

851
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,320
something that's a little maybe a little
bit more kind of understudied. We are

852
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:59,599
talking about what are their greatest but
most underrated records, Power Windows, get

853
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,960
your key boards out. We are
going full mid eighties rush here and I

854
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,360
cannot wait. The next album is
one that behind the scenes here I told

855
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,880
the other guys, what the other
rams are. I kept this one until

856
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,760
this moment because I wanted to say
so it might have fed into something from

857
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,360
earlier Sam that is now going to
be spoken about next week, The Blackout.

858
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,239
There is a record that Sam has
raised to me, which I am

859
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,800
only putting in here because I have
been told it is one of these rock

860
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:35,440
bands turning to shit and absolutely one
of the most disastrous out Like, I

861
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,360
don't hate this album, but it
is a creative disaster, and I cannot

862
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,679
wait to have this discussion. And
that's why, Yes, that's why I'm

863
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,400
allowing you to putting it in here. We are starting the party with the

864
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,960
Blackout that's coming very very soon.
Then after that I did I sort of

865
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,199
alluded to this one last week outbreak
headliners this year, the one that was

866
00:55:54,199 --> 00:56:00,199
announced before the latest one, American
Football's LP one one of the most significant

867
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,480
and influential records in EMO, but
one that I sort of know exceedingly little

868
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,760
about musically. So we're going to
get into that. I hope that some

869
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,800
other people, maybe you know,
have more of experience with that. Maybe

870
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,960
we have voiags for discovery for all
of us. I don't know. And

871
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,719
then in the kind of extreme slot. Weirdly, we'll actually be sort of

872
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,440
keeping it kind of soft after American
football. But another band who are returning,

873
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:22,480
you know, currently I'm praying that
one day we get a UK dight

874
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:27,599
Agalock are a band who currently exist, and we are going to be talking

875
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:35,760
about one of the most sumptuous,
monumental, soothing, even black metal records,

876
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,599
if you could even call it that, I guess we'll debate that ever

877
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:43,039
made. It's called the Mantle.
It's got a lovely fucking antler, you

878
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,880
know, deer on the front,
which works very well with something that we

879
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,199
have coming up later. But those
are the four records that we have got

880
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,840
an album club that have becoming Next
week start that party, we will get

881
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:58,480
ready to start, we will.
So let's finally do it. Reviews for

882
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:05,559
February. We are kicking off with
Chelsea Wolf her record. I believe it's

883
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:09,079
her seventh record in terms of which
one's technically her counter to studio albums under

884
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:13,920
her solo name. She reaches out
to, She reaches out to. She

885
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,559
one of our favorite artists working today, someone who I think has done a

886
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:23,360
great job more than most of kind
of defining a certain strand and an attitude

887
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,440
within heavy music over the past fifteen
years, you know, when you were

888
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,039
looking at artists who have like really
marked out that period in history and given

889
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,280
it a stamp. Chelsea Wolf I
think is undeniably one of them. I

890
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,719
think now she is really you know, maybe it'd be hyperbole to say legend

891
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,800
status, but she's absolutely at a
stage in her career where she is widely

892
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,360
recognized and it's basically expected that she's
going to produce really great work. If

893
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,000
we go back to the eras of
you know, something like Abyss, she

894
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,039
was really breaking out at that time
and kind of establishing that reputation. Now

895
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,239
several albums down that line. A
new Chelsea Wolf album to me, it's

896
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,519
it's almost like a death Tones album
or something where it's like, all right,

897
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:00,199
show us what you've got. We
all kind of know that we're expecting

898
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:05,119
something here. This feels like a
slightly different era as well, because she's

899
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,920
made herself a little bit rarer in
the last few years. Chelsea Wolf album

900
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,800
through the twenty tens turned up once
every two years like clockwork, but it

901
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,119
has been five years since the last
official Chelsea Wolf album, Birth of Violence.

902
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,039
That time in between, she's been
working on Converge with their Blood Moon

903
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:24,360
project. It's seen her like scuzzy
little side project, Bad Missus Piss.

904
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:30,719
It's seen her heavily work in soundtrack
project scoring movies like X and the like.

905
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:35,159
So she has been busy. But
I certainly felt a yearning for a

906
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:37,679
Chelsea Wolf album in a way that
hadn't quite been given the opportunity to build

907
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:43,239
up before that point. Elliott,
I would make the guess of you holding

908
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,519
Chelsea Wolf in as high esteem as
this podcast historically does. Do you have

909
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:53,719
favorite albums of hers? Ooh,
I think the run from Apocalypsis to Hisspun.

910
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:59,000
It's amazing. Those four in particular
are basically all perfect. Out of

911
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:04,559
them, maybe Abyss is the number
one, but it's variations on nines and

912
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,239
tens. I will say, I
really like pretty much everything, but I

913
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:14,559
haven't loved something since his span.
Okay, when you say there's any one

914
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,079
album in that time, does that
include things like the Blood Project for example?

915
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:21,519
So yeah, no, it includes
Blood Moved, which yeah, I

916
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:27,280
think, yeah, I don't know. Like I thought it was very good,

917
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,760
but I didn't go back to that
one Aton and Birth of Violence maybe

918
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,119
a slightly middling record by her standards, which drove me nuts because I'm an

919
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:39,000
Americana. Chelsea Wolf record has so
much appealed to me, but for some

920
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:44,039
reason I never quite clicked with it. That being said, those records are

921
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:47,880
both still great, it's just that
echelon of like the run of twenty event

922
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,960
exactly from twenty eleven to twenty seventeen, it was basically all perfect. Yeah,

923
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:57,000
I love that record, And I
would say for me similarly in terms

924
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,760
of like from Apocalypsis onwards to the
present day, I would say pretty much

925
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,159
everything she's touched and turned to gold. And I find that she has one

926
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:09,679
of the most kind of fascinating,
fluid and more thing discographies of any artists

927
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:15,079
that we talk about. Because if
you say what kind of music does Chelsea

928
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:19,360
Wolf make, I guess most people
would say something like kind of goth folk.

929
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,000
But you know that last abba Birth
of Violence was acoustic based. That

930
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,480
was the first time she'd actually done
that in several years, so I guess

931
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:28,519
that kind of speaks for itself.
You know, she makes goth music that

932
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:34,400
isn't obviously just indebted to like lifting
and recreating certain sounds from the eighties heyday.

933
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,960
You never really know whether these things
are going to be metallic electronic.

934
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,199
I think one of the few real
progenitors in that regard is someone like nine

935
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:44,079
Inch Nails, who you know,
may in particularly come up once or try

936
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,079
throughout this album, but really it's
an extremely you know, individualistic voice.

937
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:49,639
And I think this record, if
you're going to look at, you know,

938
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,159
after Birth of Violence and then the
subsequent kind of varying projects and work

939
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:58,360
she's done for a few years as
that certain era, this record doesn't sound

940
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,800
like any of those things. I
was going to think about this, like

941
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,559
when I had I was like,
so, what Chelsea Wolf album? Because

942
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,119
I talk Chelsea Wolf from Abyss onwards
and then worked my way back a little

943
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:10,920
bit. But this mean I was
going to work out where this sort of

944
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,360
sits in what Chelsea Wolf does.
And it's kind of like it kind of

945
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:21,360
sounds like none of her records but
also has bits of several of them altogether.

946
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:24,920
It's kind of like this weird like
amalgamation of, like I all these

947
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,280
different ideas she's had coming together a
bit of way that again sounds one of

948
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,920
her kind in her discography. How
I kind of got from this one.

949
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,400
First listen. Yeah, I you
know, she's kind of dabbled in the

950
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,199
electronic thing before, like Pain is
Beauty as like kind of dreamy electronic element

951
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,440
sort of to it. But this
is this feels like to me, her

952
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:52,159
realizing something which she always had the
ability to do and would kind of flavor

953
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,800
things within the past, but kind
of jumping in at the deep end in

954
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:02,239
that haunted, sleepy synth pop style
that seems that's such a natural fit for

955
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:07,280
her that it's baffling that it hadn't
come before in its kind of final form.

956
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,800
Oh yeah, I guess it's been
several years since I last did with

957
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,159
the Chelsea Wolf record, because you
know, for me, it was like,

958
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,199
first lesson get to grips with a
particular sound and like the world,

959
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:21,800
and then like gel with the songs
afterwards and the melodies. Once I have

960
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,679
that understanding of what terrain we're operating
in, and I think, undoubtedly,

961
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:28,880
even by Chelsea Wolf's usual standards,
I think this is a record that rewards

962
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,519
patients. But immediately I was struck
by you know, this is a return

963
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:37,719
to industrial electronic Chelsea Wolf. For
me, I think it's we haven't seen

964
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:42,159
that in about a decade, right, because you know, there are key

965
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:45,400
differences sonically and there are key differences
thematically too that stop it being like,

966
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:50,480
you know, it's not a sequel
album or anything. But Abyss from twenty

967
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,360
fifteen is the record of hers prior
to the last several which I think,

968
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:58,880
you know, like we said,
she kind of span off into more rock

969
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:05,039
based or acoustic based here now we're
returning to heavily electronic and particular. I

970
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:09,000
think what that nails is that completely
like nocturnal feel where Chelsea will fight.

971
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:12,280
You know, she never makes daytime
music to kind of play in the middle

972
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,440
of a festival field or something,
but the feel of that can be different.

973
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,320
Birth of Violence is dusty. You
know, Hiss Spun and the Missus

974
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,760
Piss record they're both like kind of
grotty, you know, they're like unpleasant.

975
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,119
They're like you're in a dirty venue
or like a room from Silent Hill

976
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:29,320
or something like that. What this
record brings back is that total sense of

977
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:35,400
like deep, rich, dark liquid. Arguably that's the most immersive sound in

978
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,480
which she kind of works. It's
like really cushy, like intimate, maybe

979
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,360
beyond even the acoustic material because it's
like you're actually being transported inside her brain

980
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,079
or something. It's crazy. This
record is produced by Dave Sitek from the

981
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:52,320
band TV on the Radio. Wolfe's
usual collaborators like benchers On and the like

982
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:58,199
in the mix again as well.
I think part of the reason this record

983
01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:01,519
maybe did take a bit longer to
you know, arrive is and I think

984
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:04,679
this is where particularly some of those
unique, you know, deviations from something

985
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:08,519
like Abyss really show up as well. Is a lot of the record is

986
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:13,159
inspired by Chelsea's new frown Sobriety,
which she kind of began in early twenty

987
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:15,679
twenty one. But she said about
how kind of writing these songs dealing with

988
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:20,079
that kind of new path in life
and taking on a new identity almost she

989
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,280
kind of felt like she had to
live up to that first and kind of

990
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,440
see if it sticks before like diving
into an artistic kind of project about it.

991
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,320
You know, I was thinking that
you know, she reaches out to,

992
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,920
she reaches out to. She titles
about kind of women helping each other

993
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,280
presumably and kind of sisterhood, which
maybe is a part of it as well.

994
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,119
But I think there's a big idea
about kind of communicating with yourself and

995
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:45,559
different like past and present versions of
yourself, which really kind of begins to

996
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:47,400
pay off when you get inside this
record. Abyss is like, it's my

997
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:51,599
favorite Chelsea Wolf record, and part
of that is the kind of industrial feel.

998
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,920
It's like such a pitch black record. It's a record that's clearly in

999
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:00,719
the throes of something, It's locked
in something. This album there is so

1000
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,400
much more space in what it does, and it is a record that you

1001
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,280
know, while it is in a
similar electronic space, and it has that

1002
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,760
incredibly like kind of nighttime nocturnal feel, it's more like it's coming through something,

1003
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,760
and sonically it's like there's kind of
like starlight shining through this one.

1004
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,960
In comparison, it's really again,
I don't know if you even intended to

1005
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,519
compare them, but putting those two
records side by side, it's a fascinating

1006
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:30,960
kind of comparison in terms of what
they do similarly and majorly differently. Yeah,

1007
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,800
do you agree that the sort of
the spacious feel of this album where

1008
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:38,559
like this time you need to immerse
yourself in and kind of pick up every

1009
01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:42,239
little detail of because at times when
it can feel really minimalist, but it

1010
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,360
doesn't feel there's a lot going on, but the moment you kind of just

1011
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,880
start to let all of those other
intricacies pick up you, they're they're just

1012
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,760
doing so much with it. And
it is this dark, sort of deep

1013
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:56,119
blue like not like I said,
it's not like pitch black like Abysses,

1014
01:05:56,239 --> 01:06:00,000
like well that is like a really
oppressively dark album. There's there's a bit

1015
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:05,639
more luxurious even if this is still
a dark like Nocturnal album, but it

1016
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:12,760
is one that like is so just
full of little details. I'll catch you

1017
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,639
here and just immerse off in it
and it's so and it is again,

1018
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:19,320
I think I've each listen, I've
gained more and more from with songs that

1019
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:24,400
I've just really caught my ear and
it's there's like a pop Santi belated to

1020
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:29,599
this album, even if it is
very stark and minimalist. Yes, a

1021
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:33,119
real sort of collection of paradoxes this
record, because I think it's one of

1022
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:39,719
the best sounding Chelsea Wolf records.
It's so lush, crisp and you know,

1023
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,079
that sort of crystal water clear,
but it manages to be all those

1024
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:49,599
things and it houses sort of genuinely
unflattering instrumentation at times of like borderline atonal

1025
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:55,360
harmonies and this kind of harsh static
quality that seems to permere random points in

1026
01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:00,280
the record. And the way those
those two things are balanced is as like

1027
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:05,400
the whole appeal of Chelsea Wolf,
where it's this artist capable of great beauty

1028
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:16,599
and like real simple songwriting and also
completely enveloping, frightening world building. Yeah,

1029
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:19,880
I think that the darkest and most
suffocating it gets sonically is probably the

1030
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,639
opening track and whispers in the Echo
Chamber, which I think that does start

1031
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:29,360
the record off similar to how something
like Carrying Flowers might in that it's maybe

1032
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,079
the place of heaviness that the record
has to start off and kind of recognize

1033
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,840
before you know, kind of going
beyond that. And like, my god,

1034
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,079
the sounds that play in that track
and the construction of it, you

1035
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:43,039
just immediately remember that Chelsea Wolf and
her collaborators are just on like another plane

1036
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:47,679
with this shit. Like that is
the bass, there's that slow worring almost

1037
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:51,440
like Texas chains or Massacre camera sound
or something, just some kind of mechanical

1038
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:58,480
parts the way the real drums kind
of slowly become more prominent, grappling with

1039
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:02,320
the electronic beat, the repeating of
the kind of the undone hook, it

1040
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:09,440
is just so fucking swamping you that
song is the way it like builds on

1041
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,599
these ideas, like so it's doing
that like ASMR vocal is that that's when

1042
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:16,439
that sort of entices you in.
But then you're getting those like that throbbing

1043
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,880
synth and that bass, the sort
of grinding industrial beats that hit where it

1044
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:26,239
can sound really nasty even if it's
really minimist. Other times when it builds

1045
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,720
to that rift right at the end, which again is just kind of used

1046
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,199
for like the last like ten seconds
or so of this song, and it's

1047
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:35,560
like really crushing, but it is
like just this big, powerful moment that

1048
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,399
again just hits really hard. It's
what it is, like a really oppressive

1049
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,159
intro to the record. Yeah,
it's really callous and the way it stutters

1050
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:49,479
is so disorienting. And for a
record that what you say, something has

1051
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:56,239
some of her most straightforward, poppy
moments or like catchiest songs, I kind

1052
01:08:56,239 --> 01:09:00,279
of admire that it could open with
one of them, but she's brave enough

1053
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:05,600
to allow the slow build and it
makes for so much more rewarding listening experience

1054
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,119
When it all kicks off, it
kind of reminds me of the way that

1055
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:13,119
last Code Orange record opened, where
you know, for the first song or

1056
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,079
song and a half, even it
barely feels like a song. It kind

1057
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:19,640
of just about hangs together. But
it means that when we do sort of

1058
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:26,279
slip into the mode of you know, instantly recognizable songs, it's all the

1059
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:30,840
more satisfying. Yeah, i'mdoing drops
basically, and this is this first track

1060
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,119
has again to me the kind of
the undone your repeating part. It's become

1061
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:36,760
one of the most like weirdly catchy
songs on it. It just kind of

1062
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,920
again, it kind of takes a
moment to sink in in that regard.

1063
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,680
She does this like spoken word part
in this song, and it's like right

1064
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,239
in your ear, you know,
like it's possible to not be hooked onto

1065
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:50,960
what she's saying because she's whispering it
right fucking there. And then again that

1066
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:55,239
guitar riff that comes out in our
thirty seconds. This is not a guitar

1067
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:59,239
heavy album at all, but just
having that ripper of a riff in there,

1068
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,479
like it's it's not even loud in
the mix, but it just it

1069
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,920
feels like a kind of monster or
something emerging out of the darkness, the

1070
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:09,720
different sounds that she plays with across
I think particularly opening few tracks when you

1071
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,159
look at them next to each other. How's her Self on doing again?

1072
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:15,680
A bit kind of nine its nails, but we're jumping into stuff like bad

1073
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,600
Witch or whatever from like the Damward
Spiral in terms of just like bustling drum

1074
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,720
and bass style beat, that beat
hitting and just like full on like nine

1075
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,600
like like I say, industrial goth
parties. Yeah, but I like that

1076
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,359
it's clearly again performed on a real
drum kit, but kind of integrated into

1077
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:32,279
this more kind of industrial space,
you know, kind of grappling between the

1078
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:38,359
organic and the mechanical. And it's
such a hypnotic basis for Chelsea to kind

1079
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:44,319
of weave her way over melodically,
you know, how house of self I'm

1080
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:47,359
doing. It's it's like that bit
in Possession when she's stumbling around in the

1081
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:53,239
tunnel if she was if she was
shuffling the whole time, Like it's otherworldly

1082
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:59,199
and kind of frightening, but that
that rhythm is so insistent and infectious that

1083
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:02,319
the first time you listen to it, you almost don't take into account just

1084
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:06,560
how mental A lot of the sort
of decoration on the song is Yeah.

1085
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,439
But then a contender for my favorite
track on this maybe is is Everything Turns

1086
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,760
Blue right after that because she's vocally
I suppose this is where this sort of

1087
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,720
it's citterating. You've mentioned the words
like pop and even synthpop at times,

1088
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:23,600
which I can't necessarily deny. But
I also think that like there's an it's

1089
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,640
weird how she can be that while
also being so like not pop. And

1090
01:11:28,119 --> 01:11:31,119
here's an example of such a paradise
yeah in terms of like vocally quite high

1091
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:33,600
in the mix on this compared to
some other ones where she's a bit more

1092
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,039
drowned in reverb or whatever. And
Everything Turns Blue I think is maybe the

1093
01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:41,840
best example, because it feels like
you are like locked alone in a room

1094
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,720
with her just directly hearing, Like
so you're sat on a chair opposite her

1095
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,279
while she just says all this stuff
like directly at you. It's no getting

1096
01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:51,960
away from any of it. And
the lyrics in that as well, and

1097
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:56,199
whispers in the echo chamber as well, has that bathing in the blood of

1098
01:11:56,199 --> 01:11:59,680
who I used to be offering up
on my imperfect offering become my own fantasy

1099
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,399
twist the old self into poetry and
that kind of you know, that sort

1100
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,840
of transition and becoming a different person. Everything Turns Blue is like she's talking

1101
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:11,439
directly to that thing that she is
cutting away. Like it's just so again

1102
01:12:12,039 --> 01:12:17,000
direct or menacing isn't usually a word
I used to describe Chelsea Wolf the singer,

1103
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,039
but there are parts this where you
feel like you wouldn't want to cross

1104
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:28,479
her. You know, it's really
bizarrely intense. It's so soft, it's

1105
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:33,760
so her vocals are whispers and like, but there is like a weird intensity

1106
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,439
that you can't quite put your finger
on how it's hitting on that when she

1107
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:42,479
isn't raising her voice. But there's
in the delivery and again again the chorus

1108
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,000
on Everythington's Blue, the whole Smoke
to Dance White, that's like a pop

1109
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:48,880
chorus to me, that's just being
delivered in a way that is anti pop,

1110
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:54,079
but that chorus is still catchy.
Yeah. I think it's so fascinating

1111
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:57,079
that how it all clicks together.
I think with that song, the verses

1112
01:12:57,159 --> 01:13:00,760
that they almost feel like kind of
confessional or something. When the way it

1113
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,079
gets to it's just kind of like
unloading everything. And then the way you

1114
01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:06,319
kind of interact with the production moving
into then that chorus when it becomes she

1115
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:10,800
almost like multiplies and you got like
that kind of choir of voices and it

1116
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,520
becomes the more like sort of primal
urge type of stuff you're talking about there.

1117
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:16,560
Fascinating, Like you say, how
that kind of dichotomy plays off,

1118
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:21,520
Yeah, and the whole synthpop element. For me, it's not you know,

1119
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:30,079
I'm not thinking this sounds like Rio, but it's got that sort of

1120
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:35,279
thing like The Knife and Fever eight, where it's a synthpop song. In

1121
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:38,840
many cases, you go, this
is a synthpop song, but it's like

1122
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,680
it's haunted, like something like The
Liminal, which is maybe my favorite song

1123
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:47,319
on the record. It's a pop
ballad with huge lifts and like thick synthy

1124
01:13:47,359 --> 01:13:54,520
textures which are just aar candy,
but the way it spirals is so unorthodox

1125
01:13:55,119 --> 01:14:01,439
and unnatural that you know, it
doesn't feel like an Amy Winehouse ballad where

1126
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:04,079
you know, it's just pleasant on
the ears. It's the kind of song

1127
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:08,239
where the sheer sound of it,
you go, if this wasn't Chelsea Wolf,

1128
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,159
the sort of avant garde underground icon, and this was in the soundtracks

1129
01:14:12,199 --> 01:14:15,840
of a big movie. People could
get on with it, but it's the

1130
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,399
songwriting itself that makes it kind of
twisted and strange. Yeah, I think

1131
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:25,800
for me, more so than like
again synthpop or obviously the heavy kind of

1132
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:30,119
industrial rock that Chelsea will have done
the past, there's a lot more in

1133
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:31,439
the way a trip Hoop influence on
this that comes out, you know,

1134
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,279
things like massive attack, the kind
of subtle glitchiness of the rhythms, And

1135
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:38,920
I guess that's what I'm talking about
when I say the record has more kind

1136
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:44,439
of breatheability and space while being as
moody as something like Abyss. I think

1137
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,840
maybe the busiest it gets with that
element is eyes like Nightshade, which in

1138
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,880
terms of like having your like,
you know, hearing the beat come together

1139
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,680
in your ears is incredible. That's
again that sort of anti pop sensibility of

1140
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,399
someone like Billie Eilish, you know
what, She's taking a kind of mainstream

1141
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,760
level that Again, it it feels
a bit cliched called it ASMR, but

1142
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,800
then I found out Chelsea Wolf has
actually made ASMR videos, so maybe not.

1143
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:09,479
But the kind of like this is
the way I kind of her vocals

1144
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,479
to like these ways to say,
but like the different punching bass beats and

1145
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,359
stuff in that particular rhythm, it's
like your ear drums popping, you know.

1146
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:17,319
It's like they're at war with each
other. It's fucking crazy, but

1147
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:21,520
they're kept under the thumb of Chelsea
as that kind of overriding the rata.

1148
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:26,960
But the two songs prior to that
is where the full on, like spacious

1149
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,079
trip hop thing really kind of comes
out. To me. The pairing of

1150
01:15:29,079 --> 01:15:33,039
tunnel lights and the liminal are tunnel
lights using that kind of like strange,

1151
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:39,119
chopped up kind of piano chord that
feels like it it's like reverberating tunnel lights

1152
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:43,399
was like a jazz song that's kind
of been ripped apart reassembled. Like that's

1153
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:46,039
how I kind of it. Where
you getting these like occasional piano notes hitting,

1154
01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:49,720
but it's glitched out, and it
kind of like as we get that

1155
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,439
and then it gets overpowered by like
this industrial noise. It's like you're taking

1156
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,680
the basis of like a kind of
a smooth like jazz piano track. Whatever

1157
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,520
gone, Let's let's rip it apart
and reassemble it in this weird sort of

1158
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,800
dark journey and again, it's that
that's the kind of fascinating approach on this

1159
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:09,039
album that I think is so constantly
rewarded. Yeah, that to me,

1160
01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:13,239
that particular element of what you're talking
about there is really akin to records like

1161
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:15,960
Perdition City by Ulva, who have
that kind of like really like that rainy

1162
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,640
city ambience to kind of strange sound
manipulation. It's like the song itself is

1163
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,359
breathing, and I love when people
can get that right, and that song

1164
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,560
is just lusciously melancholy while doing it. And then the Liminal, which Elliott

1165
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,119
mentioned is perfectly named. You know, it's the exact center of the record,

1166
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:32,600
and it's it's almost muffled. It's
like you're in the center of this

1167
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,319
kind of space with all of the
kind of noisy world that sort of trapped

1168
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:43,159
around outside it. It's just got
this like tiny like plunking like piano is

1169
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:49,119
so like quiet and subtle and desperate
somehow, It's that pairing of two songs

1170
01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:53,720
is so like it's as immersive as
this record gets. I mean, the

1171
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,560
Liminal has one of the most disarmingly
catchy choruses. Again, all you was

1172
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,920
the Liminal, just like that repeated
line and the melody of it has been

1173
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,680
stuck with me. But it's like, but it's not a big sing along

1174
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:09,520
moment. It is really quite dark
and depressive and like haunted, and again

1175
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,560
I'm just like, it kind of
tells me that it's so catchy, but

1176
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,479
it they just is the way that
she kind of defies any conventional approach to

1177
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,279
songwriting. Here well, at Place
in the Sun sounds like an Adele ballad

1178
01:17:20,319 --> 01:17:27,279
with Daryu and Sandstorm Bitch, which
you know she does not want that on

1179
01:17:27,319 --> 01:17:30,319
the press release, like that makes
it sound fucking shit. But to me

1180
01:17:31,399 --> 01:17:34,439
that song is a complete triumph because
it's not really got a central hook,

1181
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:41,000
but you can put Chelsea Wolf at
the center of it and change the canvas

1182
01:17:41,039 --> 01:17:45,479
around her to your heart's content,
And she's such a commanding presence that you

1183
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,960
almost don't miss or you almost miss
how much is going on in the background,

1184
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:50,960
and it never feels like a mess. There's so many songs on this

1185
01:17:51,039 --> 01:17:56,840
record where you just think, in
the hands of a lesser person, it

1186
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,479
might be a bit of a cacophony
or a bit of an in because it

1187
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,840
might seem like a mess. The
way it goes from lush soft soundscapes to

1188
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,760
like you're saying about eyes like nightshade, feeling like your ear drums are being

1189
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:12,319
sort of peppered tickled. Yeah,
like jangling keys going on in that one.

1190
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:15,600
Like yeah, it's just like having
ideas like that and making them work.

1191
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:19,119
To me, they just they just
the work of a sort of better

1192
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:23,199
artist. Yeah, Place in the
Sun is really like there's that sort of

1193
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:26,520
the back end of the record before
the last track is a bit more sort

1194
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,600
of subdued maybe, but the kind
of it, it's that song is really

1195
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:35,359
like delicate and sensitive and beautiful,
and I think, you know, the

1196
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:39,640
in comparison to some of her more
acclaimed records in the kind of heavy world,

1197
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,319
you know, Like I think a
lot of people will turned on to

1198
01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:45,960
her with like Abyss because it kind
of she began to interact with metal a

1199
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:51,119
bit more. Maybe this one there's
not like those big heavy walls crashing down

1200
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:57,119
releases. It's more again, the
kind of doesn't have those moments that maybe

1201
01:18:57,159 --> 01:18:59,600
kind of like fully makes your fucking
hair stand on the back of your neck

1202
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,479
because it's so quiet, but she
is able to achieve really subtle mood shifts.

1203
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,439
The bit in the liminal when she
does that I'm the Storm and the

1204
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:10,079
center part about the three minute mark, and the melody changes feels like fucking

1205
01:19:10,119 --> 01:19:14,399
momentous in that regard. And then
dusk she does the thing that I've said

1206
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,680
I love a few times where a
single that I liked perfectly well upon release

1207
01:19:17,399 --> 01:19:21,680
arrives at the very back of the
record. Yeah, and just fucking blossoms

1208
01:19:23,079 --> 01:19:27,000
before your eyes. The warm tones
on that. Some of this record really

1209
01:19:27,039 --> 01:19:30,039
feels like it's again it's facing down
some really like dark parts of the self,

1210
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,039
and that arrives at the end,
and there's this blissfulness to it,

1211
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,359
you know, with Place in the
Sun as well. It's like the record

1212
01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:40,079
takes you from that kind of like
recognition of shit being wrong at the beginning

1213
01:19:40,119 --> 01:19:45,600
of it and reaches this incredible place
of fulfillment with that and the way again

1214
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,279
the organic and the electronic kind of
interact, it feels like there's a kind

1215
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:51,159
of harmony to it rather than the
sort of struggle at other point, and

1216
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:57,279
it's like this beautiful, vampiric nocturnal
love song and it's so soothing and reassuring

1217
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,319
and you get a big, like
triumphant guitar. So Yeah, and again

1218
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:05,720
and that's when it feels like you're
coming out of the other side of the

1219
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:12,079
darkness on this album, like I
loved because again that really mesmerizing synth hook

1220
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:15,439
that comes out of it. And
how again there's this one of the moment

1221
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,199
where it almost feels like she's the
mostly bare vocally, where it's not going

1222
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:23,000
to like hidden behind a whisper or
something. She's actually like it kind of

1223
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:27,720
has that slightly folky American touch of
Birth of Violence, but with like the

1224
01:20:28,079 --> 01:20:32,199
eerie industrial stuff peppered into it as
well, and it just feels like it's

1225
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,760
like building up to you hit that
guitar so and I'm like, oh,

1226
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,439
this is such a huge way to
end this album, and it feels the

1227
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,960
right way to do it for me. That is one of those songs where

1228
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,119
as exciting as it was hearing it
in the first place, it's so much

1229
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:49,159
more exciting having at the end of
the record, and it's more exciting for

1230
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:51,920
having heard it before the record came
out, because when it came out as

1231
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,399
a single, you know, we
all really liked it. It was a

1232
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,479
sound that seemed like an obvious fit
for her, and it was a big

1233
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,399
catchy song at the end of the
record, it feels like dessert. It's

1234
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:05,720
like such a reward for a record
that you know has loads of great pop

1235
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:11,399
moments, but for it to kind
of have that the Sun's coming up kind

1236
01:21:11,399 --> 01:21:14,399
of you know, you mentioned death
Tones earlier, but when omes came out

1237
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,359
and that came out as a single
and it's this the title track that there's

1238
01:21:16,359 --> 01:21:19,800
this bright, sort of chios rift
and then when the record came out and

1239
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:27,319
it's this dark, shadowy, slightly
discordant Deathtones record, and then that song

1240
01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:30,199
comes at the end, it's so
much more of a lift. Yeah,

1241
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:34,479
I think particularly when the guitar comes
back. That first song it was that

1242
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:39,439
like snarling riff, you know,
and this it's like mean again the Deathoe,

1243
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,039
the comparrasy it's like when Jerry Cantrell
turns up on Phantom Bride or something,

1244
01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:44,880
and it's just like this incredible,
like ah fuck, yeah we made

1245
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,520
it kind of lead guitar part,
and you know, she's made some really

1246
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,680
oppressive music. But you actively feel
better by the time you finish this record

1247
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,359
because that moment has happened, and
you know, it's been really gratifying these

1248
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,680
last you know, couple of weeks
becoming just locked in the grip of this.

1249
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,439
It's maybe not so mediately dramatic as
some other other record, and again

1250
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,920
it's not got like a deranged for
rock and roll or immediate hit song or

1251
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,239
anything on it, but like it's
this record entices you back in and it's

1252
01:22:09,319 --> 01:22:13,960
it's fucking marvelous. It's the first
kind of like real like, oh holy

1253
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,840
shit, this is a big deal
record of the year for me that I'm

1254
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,640
like, I'm going to be coming
back to this one a lot over the

1255
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,680
year as the ear goes on,
because it's just I've been working. It's

1256
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,920
been one of those I've been working
early since I've been getting up like half

1257
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,640
five to go to work, and
so in the dark I would just stick

1258
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,680
this album on and just like lett
it just be my journey to work.

1259
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,720
And it's been the perfect time just
be like yep, im in the darkness

1260
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:38,000
with this album, and it's made
just completely fall so in love with it.

1261
01:22:39,079 --> 01:22:42,239
Yeah, i haven't liked a Chelsea
Wolf record this much since his,

1262
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,840
but I'm completely head over heels for
it. And it feels like we've kind

1263
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,600
of undersold it, at least to
me. But it's like, because she's

1264
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,800
one of those artist you kind of
have to because it's so subtle as an

1265
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,960
album, I think, like yeah, but also you know, like death

1266
01:22:56,039 --> 01:23:00,720
Zones, like Converge, like Mastered
on whoever you want to name. They

1267
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,760
released brilliant records with such regularity that
them doing another one, it's like,

1268
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:09,319
oh, you know, old reliable. She's on one of my favorite creative

1269
01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:14,640
streets of the kind of like modern
alternative music from ABYSS fulutely like from Abyss,

1270
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,279
including Blood win thing I've not.
There's been nothing something that I haven't

1271
01:23:17,279 --> 01:23:20,399
completely loved like She's. She's one
of the artists that I look to,

1272
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,199
is going to be like this is
going to be one of the big deal

1273
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,720
albums for me, Like I said, for me, it's from Apocalypso.

1274
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,000
So it's like a thirteen year run
of just like fucking knockouts and she's just

1275
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:32,800
the absolute best of what she does, genuinely in a league of one.

1276
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,600
The new record she reaches out to, she reaches out to. She We

1277
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,840
thoroughly recommend you go and listen to
it if you have not already. Our

1278
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:44,119
second review comes from Alkaline Trio.
This is the one hangover from January that

1279
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:45,479
we have included here, but it
felt like we should, you know,

1280
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:49,760
come and come and celebrate again.
One of our favorite bands of this particular

1281
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:54,239
kind of school of punk bands that
came out of the two thousands their new

1282
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:58,760
record. It's called Blood, Hair
and Eyeballs. It's the tenth album from

1283
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,199
one of the very greatest lodic punk
bands of their generation. Maybe not the

1284
01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:04,600
biggest, but certainly one who have
a feverish cult fan base. It is

1285
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,640
their first in six years, which
is why I suppose it feels significant.

1286
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:13,680
It is their first since Matt Skiber
left Blink twenty two, putting his full

1287
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,399
focus on this band again. It
is their final album with Derek Grant on

1288
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,199
drums, who has left the band. I was wondering listening to it,

1289
01:24:19,319 --> 01:24:23,840
you know, is this the first
performance from Asam Willard following the Against Me

1290
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,960
who has now joined the band.
But Derek Grant did record this prior to

1291
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,359
his departure. Sam, you love
Alkali and Trio? Yes? Yes,

1292
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,840
I do like Alcalin Trio a lot. There are many bands of this ilk

1293
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:39,079
who you love right into their recent
albums, maybe past their sort of perceived

1294
01:24:39,079 --> 01:24:42,319
classic gears, you know, Rise
Against Against Me. You could even find

1295
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:45,560
the mensings in there. What is
your relation with the last decade plus of

1296
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:53,119
Alkaline Trio material? I dipped out
in the early twenty tens a bit and

1297
01:24:53,159 --> 01:24:58,199
then came back in with the is
this encouraged? The last one? That

1298
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,119
was the one where I kind of
went, oh, fuck me again,

1299
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:04,720
Alkaline Trio are like serious business again? That one that felt like a real

1300
01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:09,760
return to form album, and then
I could of just came back to some

1301
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,520
of those other ones I like,
but it's felt like that was them sort

1302
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,239
of really re establishing themselves as a
band that we can celebrate. Yeah,

1303
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,399
I don't know if it's really been
recognized and such kind of en mass,

1304
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:23,560
but I think if this thing Cursed
from twenty eighteen, it felt like a

1305
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,319
cult thing of like people who were
in the know were like, no,

1306
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,000
this is as good as you'd want
from modern day Alkaline Trio comfortably the late

1307
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:31,520
career high of this band, And
I think their records pretty much always have

1308
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,640
great songs on them, like this
addiction My shame is true. They've got

1309
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,600
a couple of backup bangers on,
yeah, but is I think Curse is

1310
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:43,279
like a truly strong record that was
filled with the best Alkaline Trio tracks in

1311
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,399
nearly fifteen years at the point that
it had come out. You know,

1312
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,520
plenty of them album tracks that I
still remember fondly now, you know,

1313
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,279
not just black Bird, which was
a great single, but you know,

1314
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:53,840
Goodbye Fire Island, throw Me to
the Lions, really great songs, and

1315
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,680
considering Matt was in Blink at the
time and the band weren't the most active,

1316
01:25:58,119 --> 01:26:01,399
it was a very convincing affirmation Alcali
and Trio could still mean business.

1317
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,079
That was now six years ago.
Elliott I seem to remember you saying when

1318
01:26:05,079 --> 01:26:08,720
we spoke up the single that you
had not really actually checked out kind of

1319
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,000
classic Alcalan Tria records all that much. We also, this is my first

1320
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,279
time listening to an alkalo One Trio
album in full. Wow. I kind

1321
01:26:16,279 --> 01:26:20,359
of couldn't be going into this,
Yeah, like Crimson from Here to in

1322
01:26:20,399 --> 01:26:26,680
firmly any of those, I couldn't
really be going into this with less context,

1323
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,039
And to be honest, that's kind
of nice because for a band of

1324
01:26:30,079 --> 01:26:36,159
their stature and their scene, the
context can often sour it. For me.

1325
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,880
Yeah, So I mean I suppose
me and Sam can compare this to

1326
01:26:41,119 --> 01:26:43,880
like, you know, previous works
or whatever and have the fans perspective.

1327
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,439
But I guess you want to ask
you first of all, then, you

1328
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:46,880
know, first time liten to an
Alkaline Trio album, what did you make

1329
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,520
of it? I thought it was
very good. I'm not in a position

1330
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,439
to say, like what it reminds
me of or oh it sounds like this

1331
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,720
record, it's better than this when
it's a better version of a worse version

1332
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,880
of that. When I have this
on, I have a very nice time,

1333
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,600
very good this As a review,
I think there isn't apart from you

1334
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,760
know, maybe Elliott's kind of again
first time hearing it, which is nice

1335
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,880
to have, but there isn't much
truly groundbreaking to be said. I think

1336
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:14,600
this is as comfortable an Alkaline Trio
album as they've ever made. I think

1337
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,760
it's like there was that period when
you say you were sort of dropping off

1338
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,359
Sam where they were maybe experimenting a
bit, you know, records like Agony

1339
01:27:19,399 --> 01:27:26,159
and Irony kind of the most I
guess, like trying on some different suits

1340
01:27:26,399 --> 01:27:29,439
they've done, that seems to be
gone, Like is this thing cursed?

1341
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,079
Was just a real return to this
is what classic Alkaline Trio sounds like.

1342
01:27:32,119 --> 01:27:35,279
But now we're just a bit older. This carries that on I think.

1343
01:27:35,359 --> 01:27:41,359
Yeah, like I said, this
is more older but classic, and I

1344
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:45,000
welcome it with open arms. Yeah. I think for me again, it's

1345
01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:47,359
worth checking in on as a kind
of follow up to such a strong album.

1346
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,039
I think this one is not as
high a bar as is the Thing

1347
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:56,159
Cursed was. I think that was
a real standout moment, but this one

1348
01:27:56,399 --> 01:27:58,920
is, you know, fairly good
at what they do, and there are

1349
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,840
a few standouts on in that regard. Is that's fair to say in regards

1350
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,319
to you know where we're coming at
this, Yeah, I would say not

1351
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:08,439
as good consistently. But when this
album was a hot for Preacher, which

1352
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,079
I think is just like that's what
I want an alkalinetro song to be.

1353
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:17,640
It's like gloomy, just like charged
up melodic punk rock and that like that

1354
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:23,560
brilliant balance of like just catchy pop
punk hooks but with that dark, brooding,

1355
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,640
kind of slightly gothic touch. It's
what it's what I want to hear

1356
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,720
when I when I hit on Alkaline
Trio. Yeah, this record just sounds

1357
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,800
great from the off. It's just
a really charming noise and I mean,

1358
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,680
for me, it's a nice of
a record from a band of their scene

1359
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:44,039
and of their time releasing records that
actually sound good. That's a major point.

1360
01:28:44,119 --> 01:28:46,319
Yes, yeah, because I mean
last year when we did the Foo

1361
01:28:46,359 --> 01:28:50,319
Fighters record, who sort of different
thing and whenever the worst offenders for any

1362
01:28:50,319 --> 01:28:54,760
way, but I thought it was
so refreshing to have like an organic,

1363
01:28:55,039 --> 01:28:59,119
crisp, robust sounding and the Blink
album was fucking you know, better than

1364
01:28:59,119 --> 01:29:02,239
the last one. But it's like
shit, which was the problem. And

1365
01:29:02,279 --> 01:29:08,000
even bands that are sort of lesser
offenders Rise Against have great records. I've

1366
01:29:08,039 --> 01:29:12,039
not liked the way the last few
have sounded. They're slightly too sort of

1367
01:29:12,039 --> 01:29:14,720
wishy washy, and you want it
to sound kind of wet, like I

1368
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,439
don't need to sound like negative approach. I would like them. Yeah,

1369
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,760
And when this starts, it's like, ah, that's the sound of an

1370
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:28,159
alternative rock band in my ears right
now, Like these easily decipherable riffs,

1371
01:29:28,199 --> 01:29:33,520
like good guitar tone, robust basslines, drums that sound like drums, and

1372
01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:36,920
riffs that you know. I'm sure
I've heard these riffs one hundred times,

1373
01:29:38,079 --> 01:29:41,800
but I'm happy to hear them again. It's just it kind of bypasses the

1374
01:29:42,319 --> 01:29:45,119
critical faculties in a way, it's
like, ah, that's just like a

1375
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:48,680
nice bowler soup. It's I'm not
going to get the scoreboard out for it,

1376
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,239
It's just nice. Yeah. I
think for me the kind of the

1377
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,640
standouts, chief amongst them is the
title track, which we had as the

1378
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,159
leadoff single. That track is the
one that gives me absolutely everything I want

1379
01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:01,720
an Alkaline Tree as on to do, driving, uplifting, main rift,

1380
01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:06,800
delicate, sort of like poppy airy
versus somehow, and then just a fantastic

1381
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:12,600
chorus that mixes the warm and the
beautiful with the morbid. In terms of

1382
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,920
like if you measure these sort of
later career punk albums with like are you

1383
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,680
giving us one wicked single for the
zetlist, they've absolutely succeeded there. Again,

1384
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:23,399
I find this album to be very
relaxing in a like, you know,

1385
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:27,159
they're not mucking them out, and
there's a very easy Alkaline Trio spot

1386
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:30,279
to slip into compared to some of
their other ones. Again, it's not

1387
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:36,640
the most consistently rousing or energizing,
but I, as somebody who has a

1388
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:41,439
soft spot for this band, that
super comparison you are making their I guess

1389
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:45,079
particularly kind of applies half a Preacher. I think I like it. I

1390
01:30:45,159 --> 01:30:47,760
wish the song called Hot for Preacher
was a little bit more of a slam

1391
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,479
dug in terms of it's got a
cool riff, it's got a really big

1392
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:56,159
woe. I was waiting for an
actual stronger like main chorus from that,

1393
01:30:56,359 --> 01:31:00,199
but it's still nice. I've really
liked that chorus, like the whole uh

1394
01:31:00,359 --> 01:31:03,279
hot on Lights in Chryina townhook,
because that's one again it's like the end

1395
01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:06,159
of the chorus bit. But I
think Hot for Preacher, like it's one

1396
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,960
of those there's like four, four
or five songs this summer. I'm like,

1397
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,760
I would happily see those slot into
the cells and have a great time

1398
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,960
with them. I think Hot Preachers
it is that riff and that kind of

1399
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,000
whoa that like really like has stuck
with me. Yeah, I think again

1400
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,960
it's that quite like every version of
the Bulls will be pus all that sort

1401
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:28,039
of stuff like, but it just
it hits the spot of like dark,

1402
01:31:28,079 --> 01:31:31,439
brilliant and again I think there's sort
of the gothic touches help age Alkaline show

1403
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:35,640
really nicely certainly, and that's that
that that that blended with the punk means

1404
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:40,560
it doesn't sound like a bunch of
trying to be like down with the kids

1405
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,520
in regard, aren't they in the
way that like Villa Varlow can kind of

1406
01:31:44,279 --> 01:31:47,560
you know, he can sing his
songs and there's no concern of them becoming

1407
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,760
like, you know, a really
like kind of you know, an older

1408
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,720
They have that velvet quality to them
that he's able to really kind of age

1409
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,199
into. I think similarly Matt Gieber
or something going on like that. Yeah,

1410
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,439
And I think I think they lean
into that on this, which is

1411
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,239
why I think it works even if
it's not as immediately like oh, these

1412
01:32:03,239 --> 01:32:06,359
are just great songs as the previous
one, because they lead into that side

1413
01:32:06,399 --> 01:32:12,039
of things on something like meet Me, which again has that like melodic lift

1414
01:32:12,039 --> 01:32:14,359
on the whole as the sky's falling
off, fall into your arm. Yes,

1415
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,960
like that all just works for me, even if it's not as immediately

1416
01:32:17,319 --> 01:32:19,680
exhilarated. No, I think I'm
hot for Preacher. I feel like the

1417
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:23,960
opening seconds of it are the catchiest
part, and I was wishing for more

1418
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:27,319
of like a big lift from that, but like it, it's a solid

1419
01:32:27,319 --> 01:32:30,000
opener. I think, you know, there's the balancing act of like the

1420
01:32:30,039 --> 01:32:32,760
reason I love particularly Matt's melodies so
much, as they have this kind of

1421
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:36,359
solemn melancholy to them, and there's
a few points where that sort of downcast

1422
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:42,359
vibe translates into a chorus more sort
of like languidly slipping by sort of registering

1423
01:32:42,359 --> 01:32:45,520
it like a pre chorus. The
thing that you know is this thing Curve

1424
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,279
did incredibly well with the melody's really
lifted out. I think bad Time is

1425
01:32:48,279 --> 01:32:51,000
my example here of one that kind
of feels like it's drags its feet a

1426
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,399
bit to really get there. I'm
not quite sure why that one was a

1427
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,239
single that they released seemingly but Meet
Me, I agree. I think is

1428
01:32:57,279 --> 01:33:01,479
a really strong track and it's not
as obvious instantaneous a banger as like the

1429
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,479
title track, but the way it
builds up and that chorus you just mentioned,

1430
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,399
and he delivers it with that kind
of gloomy love lawn quality that you

1431
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,960
want from him is really fucking good. Yeah. I mean, we're kind

1432
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,720
of naming all the songs that stood
out to me as well, like a

1433
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,479
hot for Preacher, Meet Me.
I really like this sort of do wop

1434
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,920
a lot of sensibility to that,
so I don't know if that's the thing

1435
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,319
they do normally, but can be. I really like that they've got that.

1436
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:24,319
They like to have that kind of
fifties touch every now and then yeah,

1437
01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:26,960
yeah, I think break is the
one that takes about thirty seconds to

1438
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,600
mention the Brider Frankenstein which and then
I mean bad Time, you know,

1439
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:38,640
the evil twin of a classic Halloween
tune, like real fun swagger, And

1440
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,359
again, I don't know if that's
something they do a lot, but it's

1441
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:43,279
the thing that suits the men.
Again, I think it is that fifties

1442
01:33:43,359 --> 01:33:45,960
rock and roll thing that helps them
sell it. And I mean, for

1443
01:33:46,039 --> 01:33:48,359
me, if I do have a
criticism of this record, it's that about

1444
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,920
seventy percent of the songs are kind
of at the same tempo, and by

1445
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:56,520
the end of the record, I
kind of feel like they blur together.

1446
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,600
And I don't know, maybe that's
not an issue for somebody's like a really

1447
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,159
big client tree find Like if ac
DC put out record, I'm not gonna

1448
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:06,960
go stop going for four. But
I think this maybe could have been a

1449
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,960
really excellent thirty minute record, or
maybe even a better longer record if they

1450
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,720
threw in some variety on that end. But I mean, that's not a

1451
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,039
bad, you know, complaint to
have, because I don't think there's any

1452
01:34:18,079 --> 01:34:21,199
songs in here where I go,
you know that's subpart. Yeah, Well,

1453
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:25,920
I think that they're you know,
they're not the most like driving energized

1454
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,520
versions of what they do, and
I think they're at the stage now where

1455
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,319
they're letting the melodies do the talking
more than like the punk perhaps. But

1456
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:32,479
I think, you know, Dan
gets some really great moments to shine as

1457
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,079
well, because they're always a great
refresher in the album, because I think

1458
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:39,159
Matt's Gieber is kind of much more
visible publicly, but then he comes in

1459
01:34:39,319 --> 01:34:43,760
and Versions of You is. It's
really weird. This album came out the

1460
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,319
same day as the Lucifer album that
we reviewed in the last episode, and

1461
01:34:46,359 --> 01:34:50,520
it threw me. There's a song
on that that has like an extremely similar

1462
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:56,199
chorus melody too. It's a coffin
has no silver lining from that record has

1463
01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:59,039
almost the exact same chorus as Versions
of You, the kind of but who

1464
01:34:59,039 --> 01:35:03,119
will where you round this? They're
really weird and obviously extremely uncanny coincidence.

1465
01:35:03,159 --> 01:35:05,600
They came out literally the same day, but you know, I like Dan

1466
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:10,720
delivering that melody just as much as
I like Johannah delivering it. And Scars

1467
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,119
is another of my absolute favorite songs
on this record, even though it's like

1468
01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:15,319
always like a scar riff or something, isn't it, But like it's kind

1469
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:17,319
of like folk punk on that little
bit scar and how do they make that

1470
01:35:17,359 --> 01:35:23,840
sound moody? Fair play? But
dan melody in that one is genuinely gorgeous

1471
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,840
and there's really great little embellishment from
the lead guitar as well. And at

1472
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,079
this best, at their best,
they have this kind of feeling of just

1473
01:35:30,119 --> 01:35:32,920
making your heart kind of flutter and
implode a little bit again heimsk perhaps,

1474
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:38,640
and that really really works. I
mean, teenage heart is one with that

1475
01:35:39,039 --> 01:35:45,119
kind of saying that's where they now
that or that whole again morbid lyricism.

1476
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:48,279
Allas is an ar fifty the most
alkaline triosh you've ever heard in your life.

1477
01:35:48,359 --> 01:35:50,520
Literally, you could not get more
that. That is like an alkaline

1478
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:56,279
show cliche right there, but god, it really fucking worked. Of that

1479
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:00,800
just that kind of like dark look
at the sort of the the candy coated

1480
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,680
over it like sheen and the darker
underside of like American teenage life and all

1481
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,960
that. Yeah, it's it's it's
it's it's classic trio for me. But

1482
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,439
it works. It hits the spot
so perfectly, Elliott as your thirsd Alcaline

1483
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:14,880
trio album experience, that kind of
you know thing that we've just pointed out.

1484
01:36:15,079 --> 01:36:16,840
Oh, that's just like the most
trio shit you've ever heard in your

1485
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,159
life. How has that hit your
ears? I mean, I don't know

1486
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:23,399
how I felt. I kind of
felt that when I heard it. I

1487
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,319
just felt like, I'm sure this
is a thing they do a lot.

1488
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,479
It doesn't seem like that sort of
thing they'd pick up this far in And

1489
01:36:30,039 --> 01:36:31,840
do you know what, if this
is a more middle of the pack Alkaline

1490
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,640
trio record, I'm definitely going to
go back to the ones that people bang

1491
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:41,720
banging about. Because now this is
way better than the last few records by

1492
01:36:44,279 --> 01:36:47,640
Record that we reviewed last month.
This shit's all over it, yeah,

1493
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,680
or like the last couple of No
Effects records, or you know, some

1494
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:55,479
of the more recent Rancid records.
I think this is like really strong,

1495
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,119
like for what it is. I
mean, like I said, I have

1496
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:00,079
my complaints about it, but I
think it's very good. And if this

1497
01:37:00,119 --> 01:37:06,600
is a sort of middling Alkaline Trio
record that's maybe slightly low energy that boones

1498
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:10,079
well at least for me. Yeah, I think Derek puts in a really

1499
01:37:10,119 --> 01:37:13,920
good last performance to kind of you
know, sail the Ship on Woods.

1500
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,039
You know, they're much more interesting
songs for what he's kind of doing rhythmically.

1501
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,279
Alkaline Trio they have that kind of
Smith's e quality of just like kind

1502
01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:24,039
of you know, of their generation
of what you call pop punk bands.

1503
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:30,479
They just have this really like melancholy
but cumfinus of sound. The guitars have

1504
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,720
a gritty edge, but they're you
know, expressive, the basses in the

1505
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:36,439
next to these little sad melodies,
they have that edge, still a feeling

1506
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:41,359
slightly more kind of like gravelly and
more adult, but in a kind of

1507
01:37:41,359 --> 01:37:45,680
a carb way against those sort of
bands that you just mentioned. And I

1508
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:49,079
think the last two songs really strong
as well, like Wonderful Melody from Dan

1509
01:37:49,319 --> 01:37:54,760
in broken Down in the Time Machine, and then and then we've mentioned Teenage

1510
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,640
Heart, which I agree as another
of the stronger songs on it, and

1511
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,560
no one else is writing that chorus
just take me back some of that kind

1512
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:05,119
of good morning, you know,
murderous smoothness. I think there are less

1513
01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:10,079
of the real like stick around songs
on this than I think there were on

1514
01:38:10,319 --> 01:38:13,239
the latest record. But you know, in the same way I've said that

1515
01:38:13,279 --> 01:38:16,760
they're you know, like records like
them American what was that cool fucking Io've

1516
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,880
just said it's got the American scream
on it. The twenty ten one this

1517
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,840
addiction, that's what it's called.
Yeah, Like records like that have a

1518
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,119
couple of really amazing songs on them. This as you know a fair view

1519
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:29,960
as well, title track is brilliant. I Love Scars, Meet Me Teenage

1520
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,119
Heart. I think it's more like
a kind of seven out of ten,

1521
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:36,159
you know, sixty to seventy percent
of them are really really strong Alkaline Triotype

1522
01:38:36,199 --> 01:38:39,960
record rather than the big standup I
thought the last one was. But in

1523
01:38:40,039 --> 01:38:44,760
terms of carrying on that return to
just kind of like classic sound, they're

1524
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,640
doing that admirably and there is still
a lot to like here. Yeah.

1525
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:53,920
I think it's you know, a
like legacy so veteran of that area punk

1526
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:57,600
band who are still like showing that
they're still at it. At least they're

1527
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,600
not like sailing off into like all
their new stuff's a bit embarrassing. Just

1528
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:03,039
play the old stuff. Now I'm
like, there's enough here that I'm like,

1529
01:39:03,159 --> 01:39:05,279
no, you know what, if
I go to True I want to

1530
01:39:05,279 --> 01:39:09,359
hear some of these new songs in
the set list, which when you compared

1531
01:39:09,399 --> 01:39:12,319
to a lot of their peers,
they're in a much better healthier position.

1532
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,039
Yeah, and if you have never
heard from Here to Infirmary, good Morning

1533
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:16,640
or Crimson, then you should absolutely
go listen to them. Go and do

1534
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:23,720
that. Let's move back to Big
unpack a lot of stuff records because our

1535
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:29,560
next album comes from Isan. It
is a self titled album, and I

1536
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,439
think I've lost count of how many
solo records this actually is from Esan.

1537
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,000
I think it might technically be the
eighth album, but even though the last

1538
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:39,479
one of those was in twenty eighteen, never feels like Esan's really gone away.

1539
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:43,079
Similarly to Chelsea Wolf, I guess, but in terms of productivity maybe

1540
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:46,000
even more so. Because in twenty
twenty we had a pairing of EPs that

1541
01:39:46,119 --> 01:39:49,399
was the one that everyone said Taylor
Swift ripped off for the focal or cover.

1542
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:54,640
We had another like tiny little bonus
EP last year. They completely flew

1543
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,039
under the radar. He's obviously done
work on things like the Ibaraki record,

1544
01:39:58,039 --> 01:40:00,600
with Matt Hafei, which was fucking
great, and his contentutions very essential to

1545
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:04,960
I don't think his work has necessarily
grabbed the headline as much because of the

1546
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:10,239
little releases like that. But Esan
is so firmly established now as a solo

1547
01:40:10,319 --> 01:40:15,039
artist, as someone who is to
be continually refreshing himself, exploring different sides

1548
01:40:15,039 --> 01:40:19,479
of what you can do. Going
into this self titled record feels like there's

1549
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:23,520
been a bit of a reset after
that period of experimentation. I guess in

1550
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,920
terms of if he'd been playing about
a bit with some of these different kind

1551
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,600
of short form releases, different styles. Certainly feels like with this record,

1552
01:40:31,239 --> 01:40:35,000
it's like a new line drawn under
things. This record feels like a bigger

1553
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:40,520
deal than anything released by Esan in
a while, just in terms of like

1554
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:45,960
how it's being approached and positioned.
Would you agree, Yeah, I would

1555
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:47,760
think so. I think in the
sort of twenty tens, there was so

1556
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:53,159
much high quality material coming out,
you know, within such a short span,

1557
01:40:54,279 --> 01:40:58,319
and him kind of moving over to
either collaborations and short form stuff,

1558
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:03,680
returning with a self titled record that
comes out accompanied with a classical music interpretation

1559
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:10,640
of it. I think it says
a lot about how he feels about this

1560
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:15,600
record, and for me that intrigues
me because he's someone who has never really

1561
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:19,840
let the standard slip from the first
Emperor record today, So for him to

1562
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:26,399
go this is the self titled one
after all this time, it kind of

1563
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:29,720
helps create a kind of aura surrounding
it. Isan is, of course,

1564
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,840
one of metal's great geniuses, the
front man of the greatest band in my

1565
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,800
opinion, from the greatest scene.
You know, naineties Black Metal Emperor.

1566
01:41:36,359 --> 01:41:41,039
His solo career has taken him too
many places beyond that, there are things

1567
01:41:41,039 --> 01:41:45,039
in that past that this record harkens
back to and draws upon. But there's

1568
01:41:45,039 --> 01:41:47,800
a couple of records in this reviews
bag that feel like, again, some

1569
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:53,560
quite large undertakings before even gauging I
guess how much you personally resonate with them,

1570
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:56,359
but they just feel like these sort
of mammoth pieces of work with so

1571
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,720
many layers to unpack and pull apart, and they have this degree of kind

1572
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:01,760
of may and you know, awe
to them before you even really approached them.

1573
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:05,479
Chelsea Wolf is one. There's a
couple to come, perhaps this record

1574
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,560
I've been hearing about for a while
in terms of like Esan is gearing up

1575
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,000
to release a fucking whopper kind of
way. There are two discs of this

1576
01:42:13,079 --> 01:42:16,319
album. The second is an orchestral
version of the first metal album. I

1577
01:42:16,319 --> 01:42:19,279
imagine again a huge amount of efforts
gone into both. I believe that he

1578
01:42:19,319 --> 01:42:24,039
wrote it originally as like a piano
score and then kind of arranged the music

1579
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:26,760
for two different you know, variants. That's the kind of the seed of

1580
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:29,560
it. But our review is going
to mostly focus on, you know,

1581
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:33,760
the full band metal versions of the
songs. When you listen to that first

1582
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:38,159
disc, you are certainly not feeling
short changed in terms of getting a complete

1583
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:42,439
experience. It is a lot to
get into your teeth. And this record

1584
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:46,000
again as advertised, two discs nearly
one hours forty minutes long. The first

1585
01:42:46,119 --> 01:42:50,479
disc of it already there are a
lot of different sizes to Esan. This

1586
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:57,640
is the craziest, most maximalist thing
he is released in a decade. Yeah,

1587
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:03,079
this is a lot. This is
a mental genius going. You're getting

1588
01:43:03,079 --> 01:43:05,800
it all, like, not holding
back for a second. We are.

1589
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:11,640
This is the full sort of mad
cinematic black metal experience. I kind of

1590
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:15,079
love it asked because I know that
there are you know, the the out

1591
01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:19,479
there mavericks of progressive experimental black metal. Sometimes you enjoy it. Sometimes we

1592
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:23,800
get DoD teims guard. I hope
that you would like there's a bit more.

1593
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:30,760
I like the Emperor records, like
even what's the last one I've got

1594
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:33,720
that record on vinyl? Album having
album is mental? And the hip planner

1595
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,119
was like, what the fuck is
going on here? Because I really liked

1596
01:43:36,119 --> 01:43:38,960
everyone, I was like, you
get this one as well, so I

1597
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,560
was like, yeah, cool,
okay, and then was like, this

1598
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:45,079
is fucking mental, even by EMPRA
standards, but I'm willing to go Vi

1599
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:49,920
Shan's insanity. And I kind of
away expecting now one hit play on this,

1600
01:43:50,319 --> 01:43:55,319
and I just sort of strapped in. And the thing is, it's

1601
01:43:55,439 --> 01:44:00,760
still really like engaging and rewarding this
album, even if it is full of

1602
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,199
mental left turns that can sometimes leave
me a bit cold, that this record

1603
01:44:03,319 --> 01:44:09,119
it excites the senses in just a
really lively, vivid way. You don't

1604
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:12,520
have to wait around for anything.
It's a record that, again probably playing

1605
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,760
it to it being self titled.
I think this is if you imagine what

1606
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,560
kind of music does Esan make ye
at its most sort of cartoonish form,

1607
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:24,159
this is kind of the record you
visualize. It's wild, it's progressive,

1608
01:44:24,279 --> 01:44:28,840
it's beautiful, and it's scary.
It's kitted up in orchestral instruments up to

1609
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:30,600
its eyes, like if he's been
trying out some of the things on recent

1610
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,760
releases. This is like, Okay, what is my trademark? What am

1611
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:38,279
I known for? I am going
to take that thing to a next level.

1612
01:44:38,359 --> 01:44:42,319
It's like distilled and then expanded,
if that makes any sense. And

1613
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,880
I feel like it's the record that
proves what we were saying earlier about,

1614
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,560
you know, sort of what Esan
has alway said about Emperor in terms of

1615
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:53,079
like a reunion in the studio,
why it will never happen, because particularly

1616
01:44:53,079 --> 01:44:55,119
at the end of Emperor, with
the record you're mentioning, he was writing

1617
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:58,600
all the music, and this record
is absolutely what you can draw a line

1618
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:01,239
from, going, Okay, that
guy the very end of Emperor, what

1619
01:45:01,279 --> 01:45:05,119
would he be writing in twenty years
Like this is that same? This is

1620
01:45:05,159 --> 01:45:09,960
him doing that, but with the
budget and the scope and all of that

1621
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,800
that he maybe could have done it
as much with Emperor at that time.

1622
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,239
Yeah, and there are very key
differences that come from you know, twenty

1623
01:45:15,319 --> 01:45:19,520
years either side, But you know
you mentioned it. The first time I

1624
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:23,439
heard this record, and I was
just so bombarded by thing inside it.

1625
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:26,159
It did make me think about Prometheus, which is the final Emperor album,

1626
01:45:26,199 --> 01:45:28,920
and it's the most divisive Emperor album. There are some people who are only

1627
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:34,520
into the early stuff who absolutely hate
that record. It's those insane albums ever

1628
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:40,399
Rental Like again, I was.
I bought on Final because I'm like the

1629
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:42,439
first few Ever records, and I
was like, okay, I'll get this

1630
01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:44,920
one as well, and then I
was like, fuck me, this is

1631
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,840
not what I expected. But I
again just kind of went along for the

1632
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,039
ride. Yeah, I'd love to
talk about it one day more in depth,

1633
01:45:50,079 --> 01:45:54,560
but it's truly it's the most avant
garde Emperor album. It's everything that

1634
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:59,239
is extreme and intense and dizzying about
Emperor turned up to most mental degree.

1635
01:45:59,279 --> 01:46:01,680
It's so fucked up, and it's
often said that it's basically the first Esan

1636
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:06,039
solo album, but it's more blisteringly
extreme than anything Esan has done solo,

1637
01:46:06,079 --> 01:46:09,960
I guess. But this record it's
easier to get on with than that,

1638
01:46:10,039 --> 01:46:13,479
for sure. It's got the kind
of the grace and the stateliness and the

1639
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,159
more kind of coherent songwriting touch that
comes from the more measured, mature isan,

1640
01:46:16,399 --> 01:46:21,279
But it does feel like that more
seasoned artist going, what if I

1641
01:46:21,359 --> 01:46:26,399
let a bit of that carnage and
that mania back into what I do now

1642
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,119
and so exactly that that kind of
easily traceable lineage, what would that guy

1643
01:46:30,119 --> 01:46:34,119
who wrote Prometheus be writing like twenty
years down that path. It's more measured,

1644
01:46:34,319 --> 01:46:39,000
it's got more care for things like
space and dynamics and hooks, and

1645
01:46:39,039 --> 01:46:42,000
it's not going to be shrieking your
head off the whole way through. But

1646
01:46:42,119 --> 01:46:45,119
it roars something fucking proper, I
mean, like the Promethean spark. Just

1647
01:46:45,159 --> 01:46:48,640
feels like that kind of picking up
media from there with that song is goes

1648
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:57,640
immediately weird opening rift. The song
is jaunty but weirdly menacing blends black metal,

1649
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:02,439
sort of screeches with a really big, powerful clean vocals like it's it's

1650
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,760
so excess or castle plaster overplace.
But it feels like, again, just

1651
01:47:06,359 --> 01:47:11,840
that picking up of that idea and
just expanding it into the biggest thing possible.

1652
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:15,920
But it even kicks into that from
the least likely place because the intro

1653
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:19,800
I mean, Ishan like he's been
doing it for the Trivian Records recently.

1654
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:24,720
He's he's like an overture. Yeah, he loves his overtues and he's not

1655
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,159
afraid of a bit of grand journey. If there's one of the things that

1656
01:47:27,159 --> 01:47:30,359
marks us out. I think from
something like Prometheus, which is just a

1657
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:35,359
sort of unwell, frightening extreme metal
record which I didn't get for years.

1658
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:40,199
I was. I agree that Emperor
are probably the best black metal band of

1659
01:47:40,199 --> 01:47:42,720
that time, and it's'll be a
long time to get into the stuff after

1660
01:47:43,159 --> 01:47:47,680
Anthems to the Welk and at Dusk, but this record has again with the

1661
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,279
grace and I don't know if you'd
call it humor. There's gotta be some

1662
01:47:51,359 --> 01:47:56,520
kind of glints in the eye because
that intro sounds like somewhere between an old

1663
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:00,199
like nineteen forties Disney movie and a
classic Bond film. It's like layers theme

1664
01:48:00,279 --> 01:48:04,680
from Star Wars or something like its
film score is what it is. Yeah,

1665
01:48:05,079 --> 01:48:09,399
so much cinematics or film score yet
all over this and it's not the

1666
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:12,960
only time that he does that on
the record. But it's building and building

1667
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:15,920
and building, and you think it's
going to be something explosive and dramatic and

1668
01:48:15,359 --> 01:48:19,960
euphoric, and then the Promethean spark
kind of slumps into life. And that

1669
01:48:20,039 --> 01:48:24,880
sounds like a criticism, but it's
just the first of many ways this record

1670
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,439
throws you off balance. It can't
even I can't read the name of the

1671
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:30,399
song. Now, there's a song
on Alphaville where it just feels like you're

1672
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:34,920
sinking into the earth when it starts, and it's so unsettling and weird.

1673
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:39,319
But it's been stuck in my head
since the moment I heard it. And

1674
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:43,960
Ishan's got that real signature squall in
his voice and hearing that over a staccato

1675
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:48,520
jazz rhythm, but then these moments
of light with clean vocals and flourishing strings.

1676
01:48:49,399 --> 01:48:54,239
It's on one hand it's a bold
choice, but with is Shan,

1677
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:58,319
you're kind of prying to expect the
unexpected. But even for him, this

1678
01:48:58,399 --> 01:49:00,800
is this feels like a mad way
to start your record. That riff is

1679
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:03,319
one of the things that really got
me excited about this project as a whole

1680
01:49:03,319 --> 01:49:06,880
when I press play on it,
because it's not a stock isan riff that,

1681
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,000
if that could even be a thing, exists, but like that kind

1682
01:49:11,039 --> 01:49:13,840
of like icy, symphonic, black
metal sound that you might associate with him.

1683
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:15,279
This isn't that in terms of riffing. What reminded me of is that

1684
01:49:15,359 --> 01:49:18,680
kind of that sort of quirky,
off stepping feel you're talking about. To

1685
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,720
me, it reminds me of band
who have mixed black metal with things like

1686
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:26,560
post punk bands like Virus and stuff
like that, and mixing that with like

1687
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:30,920
full blown symphonic metal then is fucking
wild. And that song hops around,

1688
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,800
it's so alive. The percussion in
that that sounds like fintroll, that kind

1689
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:40,479
of like Nightmare Underworld carnival sense.
There is that that circus made. Yeah,

1690
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:45,520
sometimes annoy me a little bit,
but it never tips over too fine

1691
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:49,319
into ridiculous territory. For me.
I love it in this k that it

1692
01:49:49,399 --> 01:49:54,880
keeps coming back to all of this
madness just alongside, you know, lavish

1693
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:58,720
again, film score type melody or
whatever. So exciting. And then Pilgrimage

1694
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:04,840
to Oblivion is that full insane,
blasting whirlwind of like power that excited me

1695
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,960
a lot as a single to hear
him doing that again. And one of

1696
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,239
the great things about Esan is that
you know, when these extreme metal guys

1697
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:15,680
get older and they have these tasteful
solo careers and they start dressing in nice

1698
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,319
jumpers like Esan does. You might
assume they would tone down the extremity,

1699
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,960
But listen to this fucking song go. It's one of the most furiously like

1700
01:50:23,159 --> 01:50:28,039
blustery things. It's films were living
like. It has this brilliant blend of

1701
01:50:28,119 --> 01:50:32,119
like that full on black metal blast, but because it's got a level of

1702
01:50:32,279 --> 01:50:35,720
sheen and polished to it that you
don't often kind of get with black mel

1703
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:41,159
it feels classy at the same time. And again we'll keep going back to

1704
01:50:41,159 --> 01:50:45,840
it, but it's so cinematic.
You're getting like these like really like low

1705
01:50:45,039 --> 01:50:49,000
chugging riffs are points in it with
like strings dancing all over the top of

1706
01:50:49,039 --> 01:50:55,000
it, and it feels like just
really grand and like something that you can

1707
01:50:55,039 --> 01:50:58,359
be in awe of the actual sound
of the orchestration in terms of those strings,

1708
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:02,800
it's fucking amazing. Like he's one
a you know, extremely select group

1709
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:06,279
of artists who can make an orchestra
in metal sound this good. Like one

1710
01:51:06,319 --> 01:51:11,000
of the only other ones I could
think of is the guitarist in Septic Flesh,

1711
01:51:11,279 --> 01:51:15,560
who literally like composes classical music and
worked with all these like great historic

1712
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:19,560
European orchestras. He sounds doing that. This is like samples of like fucking

1713
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,079
you know, the British Philharmonic or
whatever, and he's just kind of weaving

1714
01:51:23,079 --> 01:51:26,479
it all in there. And there's
a there's an orchestral beatdown riff in that

1715
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:32,319
song if that exists, part with
just and the orchestra is just like smashing

1716
01:51:32,319 --> 01:51:36,600
you over the head on that same
rhythm. It's like bruising well that the

1717
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:40,800
way the song closes. To me, it sounds like Dimon Borgear in their

1718
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:44,279
Pomp. But people always threw the
label of that band said it's a Disney

1719
01:51:44,319 --> 01:51:47,439
blackmail. Yeah, this is kind
of that, but it's more like Looney

1720
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:54,880
Tunes. It's more wild, it's
more strange. And again you say it's

1721
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:59,399
samples and stuff. It sounds so
good, like the Timpany. You can

1722
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:01,079
feel it sort of wabbling in your
ears. It's like you're lying underneath it.

1723
01:52:01,079 --> 01:52:05,319
It's the most mental sensation. And
then for that the rest spite is

1724
01:52:05,319 --> 01:52:11,039
then twice Born, which is like
a surf rock panic attack. It's Danny

1725
01:52:11,079 --> 01:52:15,600
Elfman black metal is twice born,
like that is full on madness. That

1726
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:20,159
one it's like stabbing an insistent,
and it's just I mean, I love

1727
01:52:20,359 --> 01:52:25,079
Ishan solo material, but it was
around this point it was, oh,

1728
01:52:25,079 --> 01:52:29,960
we might have one of his all
time great records here. It just he's

1729
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,520
got a knack for like insanity in
extreme metal that I don't know if anyone

1730
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:40,119
else quite matches. Yeah, And
I remember when Trivian released In the Court

1731
01:52:40,119 --> 01:52:42,760
of the Dragon, which you know, again an amazing album for reasons largely

1732
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,319
different to this one, but it
had those tiny bits like Ysan orchestration,

1733
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:49,079
and we were like, I wish
Trivia would just push that bit harder and

1734
01:52:49,119 --> 01:52:53,399
make their full on, like symphonic, epic heavy metal album. And this

1735
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:59,319
album is the kind of shit that
we want right It's it's so absolutely untethered,

1736
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:02,239
which is a thrill to listen to
the chorus on Twice Born, when

1737
01:53:02,319 --> 01:53:06,800
Isan is just roaring from the bottom
of the diaphragm and the orchestra is like

1738
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:10,880
announcing him like a monster or something. It's brilliant. If you want to

1739
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:15,880
hear an example of how like metal
band and orchestra can compliment each other and

1740
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:17,000
not just kind of play second fiddle, you know, one to the other.

1741
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:23,399
That's an incredible example. The start
of Hubris and Blue Devils just makes

1742
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:28,239
me piss. It's so like insanely
gaudy in a creepy way. It's like

1743
01:53:28,279 --> 01:53:31,960
a symphonic black metal version of the
Twilight Zone intro or something. And that's

1744
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,560
when, like, that's the where
it feels like the album completely loses its

1745
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:41,399
mind. Yeah, and again film
and it's the first time I heard that,

1746
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,720
you know, the whole the blasting
part that that intro then moves into

1747
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:48,159
and the riff it spirals into.
It's genuinely alarming in the way that like

1748
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:54,399
great symphonic metal can be when it
uses all of those elements for like maximalist

1749
01:53:54,600 --> 01:54:00,560
overwhelming your senses. It's just fucking
absolutely crazy. And there's like a fee

1750
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:03,640
grinding eight string rifts in there as
well to kind of smashing that piece of

1751
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:08,159
prog to fucking pieces. The outro
of the song, when it falls apart,

1752
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:12,800
is horrid. Elliot you were talking
about. Like vocally, Isan has

1753
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:15,319
always and still does have this like
genuinely unsettling voice that kind of makes your

1754
01:54:15,319 --> 01:54:19,680
skin crawl, one of those voices
that like hurts your vocal cares just listening

1755
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:25,439
to it. And he is eyebell
popping all over that and twice born that

1756
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:28,359
that song has like the main rift
to it sounds like the drowning music in

1757
01:54:28,399 --> 01:54:30,680
Somening the Hedgehog two, which like
sets panic attacks as me as a child,

1758
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:33,439
where I'm like shit times running out, I'm about to die and it's

1759
01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:39,000
got that kind of like intense like
you are about to die from like some

1760
01:54:39,039 --> 01:54:43,680
horrible fate like insanity to it.
And again like this something where I'm like,

1761
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:45,520
I can wrangle old prop for being
indulgent and all that, but I

1762
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,720
never got that feeling from this,
even though he probably is being like super

1763
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:54,880
indulgent because it's always throwing fun,
crazy new ideas to me that I actually

1764
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,880
get caught up in. I never
found myself going like, ah, Ishan,

1765
01:54:58,199 --> 01:55:00,319
you didn't need to do that,
like wind it in a bit there.

1766
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:02,920
Yeah, it's it's it is indulgent
and it's a nonlinear. But like

1767
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:08,199
you said, because it's so much
fun to listen to, I can't imagine

1768
01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:10,800
someone holding it against it like for
me. The best song on the record

1769
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:15,039
is a Taste of the Ambrosia,
which might be one of the best solo

1770
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:20,159
songs. Again that starts off with
that Bond theme ballad thing were it not

1771
01:55:20,199 --> 01:55:25,439
for the shrieks, and but then
when that kicks off again, not to

1772
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:29,880
keep employing out the Disney references.
It's the sort of old hallucination sequences that

1773
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,439
used to get Alice in Wonderland and
Dumbo and that kind of Elephants on Parade.

1774
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:36,039
Yeah, Yeah, that so bombastic
and outrageous, and it's the sort

1775
01:55:36,079 --> 01:55:41,840
of thing that if it was done
with any less sort of quality, it

1776
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,279
would sound like Diablo swing orchestra.
But in the hands of someone like,

1777
01:55:45,279 --> 01:55:50,039
like you say, one of Messl's
geniuses, it's just wild abandon and it's

1778
01:55:50,079 --> 01:55:55,319
so infectious. Yeah, that song, that expressive League guitar at the start,

1779
01:55:55,359 --> 01:55:58,239
you know, genuinely kind of soulful
in a way that Isan, particularly

1780
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:01,039
in his solo career, has become
really kind a deptat. But the contrast

1781
01:56:01,079 --> 01:56:06,319
of that like glorious melody and him
vocally crawling around like a slimy, slithery

1782
01:56:06,359 --> 01:56:10,760
beast is like one of those exarms
of Like that's a contrast that we kind

1783
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:14,079
of take for granted at this point
in metal's history, but there it really

1784
01:56:14,119 --> 01:56:17,640
works, and he excels in those
kinds of contrasts. That's why he is

1785
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:21,520
the master of like you know,
the guy here you get for classy high

1786
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:26,560
end orchestration and also the guy you
will get for the most fucked up guest

1787
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:30,359
vocal slots that you can get,
you know, the kind of creepy monster

1788
01:56:30,479 --> 01:56:34,039
under the bed way. He delivers
like actual legible words in like the beginning

1789
01:56:34,079 --> 01:56:38,119
of Blood Trails to Love. Absolutely
no one sounds like it, and he

1790
01:56:38,199 --> 01:56:41,600
can deliver a hell of a slick, clean melody as well. They're like

1791
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,960
there are records in the past where
he delivers genuine pop songs like stuff like

1792
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,800
Pulse and Blood Trails to Love.
I'm air grabbing the fuck out of that

1793
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:54,119
chorus and sandwich between those like amazing
you know choruses, there's a bridge part

1794
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:58,359
that throws back to that kind of
like mad sort of devil swing of the

1795
01:56:58,399 --> 01:57:02,520
Promethean spark, but kind of ordervillion
toms, the snap in going on there,

1796
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:06,039
like sometimes this record is like if
SI also featured a soul crooner,

1797
01:57:06,399 --> 01:57:13,000
Like it's just so the eye of
the storm moment amidst or the madness,

1798
01:57:13,439 --> 01:57:16,239
like again Huberts and Blue Devils we
mentioned being just like fucking off its rocker,

1799
01:57:16,359 --> 01:57:21,479
but the chorus in that that that
the notame for dissolution, just glide

1800
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:27,720
in and it feels so cool.
Yeah yeah, blood choice to love like

1801
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:31,800
that's anchored by a chorus that wouldn't
sound out of place on Eurovision. And

1802
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:40,000
that's not to say it's like super
poppy, but it's got that particular Yeah

1803
01:57:40,319 --> 01:57:44,840
like it and it's the sort of
thing that you think could oh does that

1804
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:49,039
how crazy it is? Does?
It doesn't seem tacky, but it's kind

1805
01:57:49,039 --> 01:57:53,520
of like that Dodams God record we
talked about it at length last year that

1806
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:58,399
has mental choices, but it never
felt like it was reaching for those mental

1807
01:57:58,479 --> 01:58:00,399
choices. It was just no,
no, The natural thing for this song

1808
01:58:00,439 --> 01:58:03,560
to do now is to be a
funk song, and now it's going to

1809
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:11,000
be a black metal song. And
listening to this this record all the moments

1810
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:15,600
that the first time I listened to
it I found funny, now feel completely

1811
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:18,239
at home, like yeah, Hubres
Blue Devils opening with that I Will Survive

1812
01:58:18,279 --> 01:58:21,319
piano sweep the first one was like, there's no way that's not a joke.

1813
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:25,760
But now I don't want to hear
that song open any other way.

1814
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:29,800
It's what you go from Cubans to
be like the Distance between Us, which

1815
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:33,319
is really romantic, Like in comparison
to the best of this album, it's

1816
01:58:33,359 --> 01:58:38,880
like one of the more kind of
like patient sweeping songs is it is a

1817
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:43,840
bit prettier and there is like a
yearning romance to it that again could feel

1818
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:45,199
out of place, giving just how
all over the place Alm goes, but

1819
01:58:45,359 --> 01:58:49,399
it feels so ripe for that moment. Yeah, And the closing track at

1820
01:58:49,439 --> 01:58:54,319
the heart of All Things Broken is
like if Hubert and Blue Devils is this

1821
01:58:54,359 --> 01:58:57,840
thing at its most kind of like
dizzying and upsetting. This is the you

1822
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:01,359
know, delicately building nine minute painting
of a song, which to me,

1823
01:59:01,479 --> 01:59:04,439
it reminds me of a kind of
condensed Esan version of like when Iron Maiden

1824
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:08,239
do things like Empire of the Clouds, and it's like their most kind of

1825
01:59:08,279 --> 01:59:12,720
like cinematic linear storytelling, like he
is scoring something in your head, like

1826
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:16,159
the drama in that the kind of
sumptuous early minutes and then into that middle

1827
01:59:16,199 --> 01:59:18,800
part when it really starts to fucking
ramp up and you're in like a tiny

1828
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:23,920
boat heading towards a waterfall or something. It's really amazing and like that there

1829
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:27,199
are loads of people who just listen
to kind of film scores in their free

1830
01:59:27,239 --> 01:59:29,880
time, like it helps them,
you know, focus or relax or whatever.

1831
01:59:30,039 --> 01:59:31,840
The second disc of this, which
is just the orchestration, is like

1832
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,119
of that caliber of that kind of
thing that you want to be listening to.

1833
01:59:34,439 --> 01:59:38,319
The first disc is, oh yeah, that guy who composed all that

1834
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:44,159
also a fucking maniac. Like it's
a ludicrously high effoot release. If you've

1835
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:46,319
ever wanted to get into Esan solo
but not known where to start, it's

1836
01:59:46,359 --> 01:59:48,479
you know, it's a lot to
take in, but this, certainly it

1837
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:53,239
does feel pretty definitive, which I
think is a success in that regarding terms

1838
01:59:53,239 --> 01:59:57,079
of the whole sell title record,
all that thing, I would say it's

1839
01:59:57,079 --> 02:00:00,399
the best thing he's done since twenty
sixteen, which I've said before that kind

1840
02:00:00,439 --> 02:00:04,840
of twenty ten to twenty sixteen run
of those four albums is like peak is

1841
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:09,359
San solo when he was the most
kind of acclaimed in that regard, and

1842
02:00:09,399 --> 02:00:12,319
the following album and the Partner and
EPs are also of a very high quality.

1843
02:00:12,359 --> 02:00:15,359
This just feels like the most sort
of defined statement since that kind of

1844
02:00:15,399 --> 02:00:18,359
insane Midas touch run he had at
that point in time. And you know,

1845
02:00:18,399 --> 02:00:21,600
we were talking about Chelsea Wuff being
on like a thirteen year run of

1846
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:27,560
just absolute gold. He sounds on
thirty years of absolute fucking gold. And

1847
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:30,000
I don't I've not listened to all
of it, but I can. I

1848
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,800
can imagine it's the standards. Yeah, really he strikes me as one of

1849
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:36,239
those creative figures. Maybe he's got
a couple of other projects that you don't

1850
02:00:36,239 --> 02:00:40,840
listen to as much as Emperor Records
or whatever, but like, wow,

1851
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:43,159
and one of the barmby things that
hit me doing this. He's not even

1852
02:00:43,239 --> 02:00:46,119
fifty yet, Like he's Fuck.
I'm not saying it's like you should be

1853
02:00:46,119 --> 02:00:48,439
some old man or something, but
what do you think about this guy having

1854
02:00:48,479 --> 02:00:53,920
an over thirty year career and he's
been like one of the figureheads of like

1855
02:00:54,079 --> 02:00:57,560
artistically challenging it stream uses the whole
time. He's only in his late forties.

1856
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:00,960
Still, he's younger than most people
in Lamb of God. Yeah,

1857
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:04,000
you do viewers like the real elder
Statesman, don't you? Are you gonna

1858
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:08,399
go like, oh shit, No, he's not like fair play like Dude

1859
02:01:08,479 --> 02:01:11,960
Rocks. Yeah, the's on record
is fucking amazing. You should absolutely go

1860
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:15,960
and hear it. Staying progressive and
heavy and mind frazzling job for a cowboy,

1861
02:01:16,079 --> 02:01:19,520
Job for a Cowboy, A back
everybody, moon healer, Job for

1862
02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:23,399
a cowboy. Have not released a
record in ten years, isn't that?

1863
02:01:23,399 --> 02:01:29,199
Bamieh? That's really upsetting. It
does feel weird that's been that long.

1864
02:01:29,359 --> 02:01:31,279
Like, yeah, yeah, it's
a bit of a It's a homecoming in

1865
02:01:31,319 --> 02:01:33,680
a way, because like when I
was getting into extreme metal, I'm sure

1866
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:36,640
you feel the same. Eliott joh
for a Cowboy were just like a very

1867
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:41,279
immediate presence, like if you were
if you got into death metal at any

1868
02:01:41,279 --> 02:01:44,560
point between two thousand and six and
twenty twelve, you couldn't get away from

1869
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:47,119
them really, like they're kind of
they were as synonymous for that particular generation

1870
02:01:47,159 --> 02:01:50,279
of death metal bands as the Black
Dahlia Murder were, or you know,

1871
02:01:50,319 --> 02:01:55,640
Cattle Capitation became for a lot of
people who maybe got into kind of more

1872
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:59,840
metal or crossover stuff like Suicide Silence
or whatever. Jos for a Cowboy might

1873
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:03,159
have been a first entry point into
more technical death metal. Fair it cannot

1874
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:08,159
be understated how important a band they
were for many people who got into this

1875
02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:11,600
kind of music at that point in
time. Part of that is obviously the

1876
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:15,239
thing they are most I guess regularly
referenced in is you know, one of

1877
02:02:15,279 --> 02:02:18,199
the fathers of death core with the
Doom EP. They are not the first

1878
02:02:18,199 --> 02:02:20,840
death core band, but I think
they are the one who kind of embodied

1879
02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:27,119
the sort of generational transition point where
death core became an active movement that had

1880
02:02:27,159 --> 02:02:30,920
loads of young people into it and
loads of traditionalists turning away and discussed.

1881
02:02:30,439 --> 02:02:33,399
But that's not what Job for a
Cowboy are overall, it's not what they

1882
02:02:33,439 --> 02:02:39,199
became. It's certainly not what this
record is. Yeah, it's It's funny

1883
02:02:39,239 --> 02:02:42,960
because we sort of spoke about so
what is announced this records coming out that

1884
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:46,319
John for Akel, we are coming
back at point where death core is as

1885
02:02:46,319 --> 02:02:50,960
big as it had been in well
since they've gone away. But their brand

1886
02:02:51,039 --> 02:02:56,399
of death metal seems so removed from
the kind of thing that was popular,

1887
02:02:56,640 --> 02:02:59,199
or at least their type of death
care that they did in the first place

1888
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:02,720
seems like quite an old school thing
compared to the likes of you know,

1889
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:06,920
Laurna Shore and all the other big
bands. But then you know, I

1890
02:03:08,039 --> 02:03:10,520
kind of realized that, well,
they're not coming back as a death core

1891
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:14,000
band in all likehood, and particular
when the announce it's called Moon Healer as

1892
02:03:14,039 --> 02:03:15,600
the follow up to Sun Eater,
because by the time Job for a Cowboy

1893
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:20,720
split up, they were pretty far
removed already. They were a sort of

1894
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:28,720
lavish, ambitious, technical death metal
band that on their last record started to

1895
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:32,119
flirt with the likes of like prog. Yeah. I think Joffre a Cowboy

1896
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:36,399
have one of the weirdest legacies of
any extreme metal band, like their peers

1897
02:03:36,399 --> 02:03:40,439
are thinks like the Black Dahley Murder
who. Yeah. Maybe a few old

1898
02:03:40,439 --> 02:03:42,960
heads saw the logo and who they
toured with and thought they were a death

1899
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,560
core band, but they mainly epitomized
one kind of thing, don't they.

1900
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:48,439
Jofro Cowboy had this weird thing of
being like one of the most scoffed at

1901
02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:53,560
and at other times deeply respected death
metal bands of all time, because,

1902
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:56,359
like Yeah, in one sense,
they are the fathers of MySpace death Corps.

1903
02:03:56,439 --> 02:03:59,800
On the other hand, the record
they left off with sun Eater over

1904
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:01,680
the a of their like actual studio
albums, they rapidly took on this more

1905
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:05,800
technical death metal direction. By Sonny
Eater, they had gone full on progressive

1906
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:09,640
and their peers were now things like
Cynic, you know, like full on

1907
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:14,359
prog death bands, and you know, that record pretty well acclaimed when it

1908
02:04:14,399 --> 02:04:18,960
came out, but considering Job for
a Cowboy then immediately vanished afterwards. Elliott,

1909
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:23,600
do you feel like the legend of
that album kind of grew in the

1910
02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:27,800
years while they were away? Yeah, because for me, like at least

1911
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:30,279
of the circles I was operating and
the press things that I was seeing,

1912
02:04:31,079 --> 02:04:36,600
that felt like the point where the
acceptance of Job for a Cowboy not really

1913
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:42,319
as a deathical band anymore, but
as a credible, interesting death metal band.

1914
02:04:43,159 --> 02:04:45,359
That's when it finally arrived. And
I think that's unfair because the records

1915
02:04:45,399 --> 02:04:48,960
before that were flirting with the same
ideas, but a lot of places that,

1916
02:04:49,159 --> 02:04:51,199
like you say, would have been
snobby towards someone like John for a

1917
02:04:51,239 --> 02:04:57,479
Cowboy before were like, holy shit, Sonny's is actually fucking great. And

1918
02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:00,239
it was like, oh, this
we're entering a new phase now, Like,

1919
02:05:00,279 --> 02:05:01,359
what's the next thing Job for a
Cowboy We're gonna do? Are they

1920
02:05:01,359 --> 02:05:04,319
gonna, like you say, go
down the Black Diary? Are they going

1921
02:05:04,399 --> 02:05:09,000
to do this? They're gonna be
more like Gorguts whatever, And then for

1922
02:05:09,039 --> 02:05:14,319
them to disappear in the weirdest circumstances
where Hiatus wasn't it just like a photo

1923
02:05:14,359 --> 02:05:17,720
of all their kit had been burnt. They just put that out the lines.

1924
02:05:18,079 --> 02:05:23,079
I think that there was a bus
incident or something. It was.

1925
02:05:23,239 --> 02:05:26,760
It was so weird what happened because
it was just like the way they tell

1926
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:29,439
it is that John for a Cowboy
just stopped being a priority for them in

1927
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:31,560
terms of like they had to deal
with things like family, getting degrees,

1928
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:34,560
life stuff whatever. But from the
fans point of view, Job for a

1929
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:39,279
Cowboy released this really bold album and
then immediately fell off the face of the

1930
02:05:39,319 --> 02:05:42,039
earth. Like they didn't tour in
support of it. They just blipped out

1931
02:05:42,039 --> 02:05:44,720
of existence, man like, no
big announcements about anything. We were just

1932
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:47,319
looking around, like what the fuck
happened to John for a Cowboy. That's

1933
02:05:47,359 --> 02:05:50,319
how I remember it is they were
there and then they weren't. There was

1934
02:05:50,319 --> 02:05:53,119
no kind of like, yeah,
we're done. It was just it was

1935
02:05:53,159 --> 02:05:56,199
just they were there and the next
moment blipped out. Yeah until now,

1936
02:05:56,279 --> 02:05:59,000
And the way they have decided to
kind of treat this creatively is, as

1937
02:05:59,039 --> 02:06:01,199
you say, Elliott, they kind
of bridging that gap connecting this one to

1938
02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:04,640
the last one, Sunny to Moonhealer, and I guess they're treating it in

1939
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:08,319
that sense, like they never went
away with that said, you know,

1940
02:06:08,399 --> 02:06:11,479
I like sounn Eater an awful lot. It's not my favorite job for a

1941
02:06:11,479 --> 02:06:15,079
Cowboy album. It was hard not
to be impressed with it when it came

1942
02:06:15,159 --> 02:06:17,159
out that they'd gone there, you
know, for a band as popular and

1943
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:23,800
borderline mainstream within death metal as they
were getting kind of like the sequel record

1944
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:27,199
to that one and having to dial
back into that headspace. God, these

1945
02:06:27,239 --> 02:06:30,640
albums are insanely fucking dense and like
these are demanding to unpack. I find.

1946
02:06:32,039 --> 02:06:34,560
Yeah, I mean, this is
basically what I want a job for

1947
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:38,000
a Cowboy to do. When they
came out again, I don't know if

1948
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,039
Sunny's is my favorite, but I
think it's probably the record that impresses me

1949
02:06:41,079 --> 02:06:43,960
the most, and it's the sort
of thing that I think, you know,

1950
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:45,560
I didn't want them to go and
copy Laura Shure. I wanted them

1951
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:51,079
to do a job for a Cowboy
record. And you would be forgiven for

1952
02:06:51,159 --> 02:06:57,119
thinking they'd worked on this record the
whole time, because, while not necessarily

1953
02:06:57,119 --> 02:07:03,039
the most ambitious leap into the unknown. There is no space at any point

1954
02:07:03,239 --> 02:07:09,840
on this record, Like it is
in completely different ways that you shown record,

1955
02:07:10,479 --> 02:07:17,479
totally maximalist, dense, technical death
MeTL. Yeah. So this is

1956
02:07:17,479 --> 02:07:20,680
why I come because the little bit
of the philosopic because like my job of

1957
02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:25,039
coboy is you know, the doo
BP I am the Death could days with

1958
02:07:25,079 --> 02:07:30,439
them. I'm not a big fan
of this sort of hyper polished progressive technical

1959
02:07:30,479 --> 02:07:33,399
death mail. A lot of these
sort of bands when I'm listening for they

1960
02:07:33,399 --> 02:07:34,920
don't have me. So this is
what I kind of have to look and

1961
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:41,600
kind of go, like I can
really appreciate what they are doing here because

1962
02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:45,479
I think this is like super impressive. I'm not like this is the one

1963
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:46,680
where I'm going to try to like
I don't think this is good album.

1964
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:50,680
I mean, there's so much about
this you've really got admire. This did

1965
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:55,359
leave me feeling a little bit cold. Yeah, And I have sympathy for

1966
02:07:55,399 --> 02:07:59,199
that because like, I haven't fallen
in love with this record yet, Like

1967
02:07:59,560 --> 02:08:03,720
it is again considering there are so
many times when I've kind of roasted you

1968
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:07,000
a bit being like, oh you
don't get it. This record genius,

1969
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:11,239
And you know, I will go
for those things this record. Considering they

1970
02:08:11,239 --> 02:08:15,680
are like a band who most people
who are into death metal will have heard

1971
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:18,159
of and will have listened to their
records, It's one of the most dense

1972
02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:22,520
challenging to actually get your head around
these songs records. I think we'll cover

1973
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:26,239
all year, and I'm not fully
there yet. I'll be completely transparent about

1974
02:08:26,279 --> 02:08:28,880
that. One of the things that
I admire about the kind of sunny to

1975
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:33,680
moon Healer directions they are. They're
still tech death but they've kind of put

1976
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:37,479
this focus on atmosphere that is like
a rare thing to achieve in technical death

1977
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:41,359
metal. Like the records, they're
definitely nudely, but they're definitely trying to

1978
02:08:41,399 --> 02:08:46,680
create texture and mood with that,
and it's kind of gradually immersing you in

1979
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:50,119
something rather than kind of just like
you know, fucking rings are sat in

1980
02:08:50,119 --> 02:08:52,880
the style louly but kind of you
know, they don't sound the same,

1981
02:08:52,920 --> 02:08:56,439
but that's the kind of rare territory
of the band's like Ulceraate and so on,

1982
02:08:56,479 --> 02:09:00,319
and you mentioned Gorguts and kind of
you know, operate in in a

1983
02:09:00,359 --> 02:09:01,560
similar way, you know, job
for a cowboy. I think are too

1984
02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:07,279
like cleaner, more visible death metal
kind of what those bands are now,

1985
02:09:07,279 --> 02:09:11,640
it's really strange and it means that, you know, deceptively at this stage,

1986
02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:16,359
their records are really fucking slippery and
really difficult to grasp on early listens,

1987
02:09:16,399 --> 02:09:22,960
and you know they are uh that
they unfurl with a very slow and

1988
02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:28,960
deliberate sort of level of kind of
grace, and there's a gradual metering out

1989
02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:31,760
of what they do rather than being
like a full rush of blood in the

1990
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:35,920
way you might associate with a you
know, really full on to death metal

1991
02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:39,640
record. Yeah, I mean I
agree with I agree with all that.

1992
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:43,840
I don't like. Like you guys, I don't particularly love this record.

1993
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:46,079
Yeah, I think it's good.
I think it's really good. I'm kind

1994
02:09:46,079 --> 02:09:52,039
of waiting to get to that next
stage, but I will say all of

1995
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:58,359
this are saying, it's really intense
and difficult and confusing and slippery. That

1996
02:09:58,479 --> 02:10:03,000
sort of thing evokes images of long, like winding songs and loads of self

1997
02:10:03,039 --> 02:10:05,800
indulgence. This record's pretty short,
yeah, Like most of the songs are

1998
02:10:05,800 --> 02:10:09,800
between three and four minutes. And
I think that's why I can kind of

1999
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:13,880
like say I can appreciate this because
it doesn't like doesn't actually like grind.

2000
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:18,600
It's seventy minutes long, you would
hate it. I no, no,

2001
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:22,000
no, genuinely yeah, I can. I can take this dense, concise

2002
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:24,640
version of it, even if some
of the songs can be quite long and

2003
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:28,279
unfurling as a package. It doesn't
like drain me in the way that some

2004
02:10:28,319 --> 02:10:31,760
of these, like a long version
of this could do. Yeah, and

2005
02:10:33,039 --> 02:10:37,199
this again, it's evocate of that
twenty fourteen technical death metal sand which I

2006
02:10:37,319 --> 02:10:39,680
it was the kind of death metal
that was really trendy when I was getting

2007
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:43,600
into death metal. And it's never
been my favorite thing, that really hyper

2008
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:48,520
precise, hyper clean take on the
style, So you know, it's never

2009
02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:50,720
gonna be my favorite thing. Ever. I always appreciated the job for a

2010
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:56,840
cowboy, didn't feel like it never
they turned it into some kind of warm

2011
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:01,880
up or exercise. It's like they
wrote really intense, ferocious death motal songs.

2012
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:07,399
They just produced it as well as
they could and played it as technically

2013
02:11:07,439 --> 02:11:09,279
as they could. And I think
when there's eight songs like that three or

2014
02:11:09,319 --> 02:11:13,720
four minutes, there isn't a lot
of variation, but they managed to keep

2015
02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:18,119
it sort of short, sharpened to
the point, and that I think works.

2016
02:11:18,479 --> 02:11:20,640
Yeah, I think when you're talking
about their kind of you know,

2017
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:22,119
existing within that kind of sound,
I think it's because they sort of brought

2018
02:11:22,159 --> 02:11:26,920
their own version of that and this. You know, obviously it's tapping back

2019
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:31,319
into what Sunnita was. It's a
revival of like, oh shit, yeah,

2020
02:11:31,319 --> 02:11:35,079
that was the sound that John for
a Cowboy kind of managed to find

2021
02:11:35,159 --> 02:11:39,359
and evolve into. That is completely
themselves. The record is. Again,

2022
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:43,000
why it's kind of not so immediate
in a death metal sense, is it's

2023
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:45,920
not really a record about like rifts
and grooves the way you might expect death

2024
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:48,840
metal to be. Like I think
the Sun gave me ashes, so I

2025
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:52,319
sort out the Moon is maybe the
most immediate thing on it in terms of

2026
02:11:52,319 --> 02:11:56,079
like that kind of nasty, churning
tech riff at the start and does make

2027
02:11:56,119 --> 02:11:58,800
you want to kind of nod your
head straight away, grinding wheels of often

2028
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:01,920
in is also quite pasty and quite
blasty. But like if you are a

2029
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:07,239
prog nerd, this record compositionally it's
just like out there and from from purely

2030
02:12:07,239 --> 02:12:11,640
memory. Again, maybe even more
prog than than Sunnya it was, but

2031
02:12:11,680 --> 02:12:15,640
in terms of like tapping into like
oh yeah, hearing Johnny again, like

2032
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:20,119
he has such a distinctive voice.
He has this insane way of like curling

2033
02:12:20,119 --> 02:12:22,560
his syllables and moving his tongue around
his mouth. It's not pig squeals,

2034
02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:26,560
but he does sound to me kind
of like some livestock animal learned how to

2035
02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:30,520
sing death metal in the avatar,
you know, like I've always loved that

2036
02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:35,119
particular kind of grotty tone to his
voice, and hearing him similar record that

2037
02:12:35,239 --> 02:12:37,000
to me was like the nostalgia thing, like, oh, there's that guy

2038
02:12:37,279 --> 02:12:41,039
who I used to love. I
do. That's one thing I would say,

2039
02:12:41,079 --> 02:12:43,800
like that jets a bit more personality
into what You've got a vocalist who

2040
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:48,479
is doing stuff where like it's not
necessarily like big Cross, but there are

2041
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:54,399
like little vocal hooks and touches on
grinding wars of a thin I can't that

2042
02:12:54,399 --> 02:12:56,239
one, but there's like there's like, eh, a really good riff,

2043
02:12:56,760 --> 02:13:01,039
Like there's one of those bits and
I'm like that that that those like that's

2044
02:13:01,079 --> 02:13:05,319
kind of like the stupid, like
brainless dec or fan in me kind of

2045
02:13:05,399 --> 02:13:07,800
can still go for bits like that, even if that's mixed in with the

2046
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:13,800
really hyper technical, like impressive guitar
work. I think he does a great

2047
02:13:13,880 --> 02:13:16,880
job of kind of keeping the dirt
under the fingernails. Yeah, this record,

2048
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:20,319
well, a lot of their peers, especially at the time, just

2049
02:13:20,359 --> 02:13:24,640
didn't bother too but like something like
the Sun gave me ashes. If you

2050
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:28,720
took the vocals away, it could
maybe be like a Chimp span of song

2051
02:13:28,840 --> 02:13:31,640
or like one of those basic records
bands that were so popular around this time.

2052
02:13:33,239 --> 02:13:39,399
But you just have that gurning,
grinding death metal vocal style and it

2053
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:43,680
keeps the intensity up, which this
record isn't lacking in intensity pursue, but

2054
02:13:43,680 --> 02:13:48,119
it means on something like grinding wheels
of often in which has a really super

2055
02:13:48,159 --> 02:13:52,720
pleasant melodic death metal rif that keeps
appearing, but it's nicely balanced with that,

2056
02:13:54,359 --> 02:13:56,159
like you say, squealing pig in
the abbatoir. Yeah, And I

2057
02:13:56,199 --> 02:14:03,119
think this record conceptually it's kind of
this like psychedelic hallucinatory, pseudo kind of

2058
02:14:03,479 --> 02:14:07,479
alchemical sort of odyssey. It's about
a guy they knew who got really into

2059
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:11,079
kind of brewing his own hallucinogenic drugs
to try and find some kind of like

2060
02:14:11,439 --> 02:14:15,800
higher understanding of consciousness and within this
kind of like you, yeah, within

2061
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:18,640
this kind of highly polished world they
operate, and they do achieve that through

2062
02:14:18,680 --> 02:14:20,439
the density of music. You know, you are in this kind of weird

2063
02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:24,960
extra dimension, Like the songs are
full of alien chords and sounds that kind

2064
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:28,520
of just ring out and fill your
peripheral vision. It's like trying to kind

2065
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:31,920
of unpack an alien language at points, like the bass is going ape shit.

2066
02:14:31,439 --> 02:14:35,119
The guy is like a full funk
player. He's not just doing jazzy

2067
02:14:35,159 --> 02:14:39,000
death metal playing. He's doing full
on slap base on this record. Like

2068
02:14:39,079 --> 02:14:43,199
there's a big isolated moment in the
single Agony Seeping Storm, but look closer

2069
02:14:43,199 --> 02:14:46,039
and it's all over the record.
He's become like the flea of death metal

2070
02:14:46,399 --> 02:14:50,399
or something. So that's all in
there. And the songs they do,

2071
02:14:50,439 --> 02:14:54,399
you know, I like because again
I'm not really fully grasping them as like

2072
02:14:54,439 --> 02:14:58,680
instantaneous songs per se. So when
they have like a turner pace, but

2073
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:01,720
the last thirty seconds or so,
I was like etching oblivion, that does

2074
02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:05,680
become quite an exciting little moment.
And they just drop in these little things,

2075
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:09,079
like there's a riff in the middle
of grinding wheels offen him under the

2076
02:15:09,079 --> 02:15:13,960
solo. That's a full like seven
string style, fucking like drop riff that

2077
02:15:13,079 --> 02:15:16,319
some metalcore bands would make the main
riff of their song. And that's just

2078
02:15:16,319 --> 02:15:20,159
this weird little bit under the solo. But the overall sensation of the record

2079
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:26,399
is it's really it's less about violence
or brutality or particularly recognizable heavy metal structures.

2080
02:15:26,439 --> 02:15:30,479
I'm sure, yeah, it'd be
considering we don't really review a lot

2081
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:31,239
of the kind of We've given up
on a lot of the kind of gent

2082
02:15:31,279 --> 02:15:35,640
stuff. It's gonna be one of
the most like out there, technical wizardary

2083
02:15:35,640 --> 02:15:39,479
type albums that we will talking about
all year, I imagine. Yeah,

2084
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:43,399
I think that's cool. From the
you know, the doomy Pea lads doing

2085
02:15:43,600 --> 02:15:46,000
knee Deep and certain sumers of machine
and that sort of thing. I think

2086
02:15:46,039 --> 02:15:50,239
it's a really impressive leave for them
to take it was back in twenty fourteen

2087
02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:54,720
and picking up where they left off. You know, I don't I've only

2088
02:15:54,720 --> 02:15:58,079
had this for a few weeks.
I don't feel the same way I do

2089
02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:01,600
about this I do about Sunny To
Yeah. Maybe it's because this is I

2090
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:05,760
might find that this is maybe a
bridge too far into the completely batshit mental,

2091
02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:11,119
psychedelic hallucinogenic realm maybe once I kind
of get more of a grip on

2092
02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:15,640
it, which you know, might
come, might need some hallucinogenics to get

2093
02:16:15,640 --> 02:16:18,640
there. Yes, mate, Fuck
can you imagine listen to like a death

2094
02:16:18,680 --> 02:16:22,279
metal record after that. That's a
frightening prospect. But I think overall,

2095
02:16:24,039 --> 02:16:26,279
I think this is a successful comeback, and like you say, in a

2096
02:16:26,319 --> 02:16:31,920
style something like gent which just seems
so bareft of fresh, exciting ideas,

2097
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:37,680
something playing with those tools at this
level of intensity, I think is quite

2098
02:16:37,680 --> 02:16:41,319
welcome. Yeah, And my favorite
Jobs for a Cowboys song is the closer

2099
02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:43,559
on Demonocracy, which is called Tarnish
Gluttony. I think it's kind of one

2100
02:16:43,559 --> 02:16:48,360
of the unsung great twenty first century
death metal songs because it's this point on

2101
02:16:48,360 --> 02:16:52,959
that album where Josh for a Cowboy
really leant to kind of profound atmosphere and

2102
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:54,920
a kind of like existential sorrow for
the first time. It's one of those

2103
02:16:54,959 --> 02:17:01,040
like slightly Wyse accomplished beyond their years
type tracks that is amazing horror music video

2104
02:17:01,079 --> 02:17:03,879
as well, And since then they've
made a point of kind of doing a

2105
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:07,040
similar thing ending their records. The
Forever Rot feels like a particularly kind of

2106
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:13,399
alien sci Fi version of that closer. They've been doing like really slow death

2107
02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:15,920
metal groove, which is nice for
a change, kind of makes it a

2108
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:18,000
bit hot, hit a bit harder. It's almost like a really regimented slow

2109
02:17:18,079 --> 02:17:22,879
cannibal corpse or something. But then
it gets overtaken by all these weird sounds

2110
02:17:22,920 --> 02:17:26,879
and effects, just like full Extraterrestrial
Planet. I don't even have the words

2111
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:31,040
to pinpoint what those sounds are or
what they're coming from. Sonically, it's

2112
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:35,360
very immersive. I think around you
know, you say, kind of doom

2113
02:17:35,360 --> 02:17:39,280
EP is your jeoff for Cowboy Sam. For me, it's like around the

2114
02:17:39,319 --> 02:17:46,120
kind of ruination gloom EP and Demonocracy
eras when they had kind of embraced technicality

2115
02:17:46,159 --> 02:17:50,200
and a bit of atmosphere, but
it was still very direct and violent,

2116
02:17:50,239 --> 02:17:52,719
and that like that for me is
kind of the sweet spot. I think

2117
02:17:52,719 --> 02:17:56,879
that's when they were writing their best
songs and they were just my band the

2118
02:17:56,879 --> 02:18:01,559
most sun eater. I admire a
lot own healer coming back and picking that

2119
02:18:01,639 --> 02:18:05,600
up again also I do. And
but you know, putting these songs together,

2120
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:07,879
it's one of the times where I
am like completely at a loss for

2121
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:11,799
words, as where you would even
begin writing this music, you know,

2122
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:13,799
like I don't know how they did
it, like how you lay down the

2123
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:18,840
kind of skeletal structures upon which to
base this, Like where the fuck do

2124
02:18:18,879 --> 02:18:20,719
you start? I have no idea
how they made this record. It's it's

2125
02:18:20,760 --> 02:18:24,120
baffling. Is it one of the
death metal records I think I'm likely to

2126
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:28,280
keep like coming back to and spinning
the most this year? Probably not.

2127
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:33,000
They have gone so intensely cerebral at
this point that I think the record keeps

2128
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:35,760
me at arm's length a little bit. But it is a record that no

2129
02:18:35,799 --> 02:18:39,319
one else could have made, and
there hasn't been a record that sounded like

2130
02:18:39,360 --> 02:18:43,600
this in the ten years since they
last made one. So in that sense,

2131
02:18:43,719 --> 02:18:46,559
it is good to have job for
a cowboy back and particularly insane,

2132
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:50,760
Like you're saying that this is a
record made by the band who are once

2133
02:18:50,799 --> 02:18:52,000
sort of seen as oh, yeah, they're the the death metal band for

2134
02:18:52,040 --> 02:18:56,600
teenagers. Yeah, and I think, you know, ten years away,

2135
02:18:58,239 --> 02:19:00,639
they could have come back and gone, oh it was in death core,

2136
02:19:00,799 --> 02:19:05,280
Like they kind of left that whole
scene at its commercial peak, which is

2137
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:07,719
almost the strangest bit. They helped
to birth it and then right when it

2138
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:11,159
was sort of getting in Billboard charts
and stuff. They disappeared them coming back

2139
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:16,319
with a record that I say,
it's so cerebral it keeps your arm's length.

2140
02:19:18,319 --> 02:19:20,760
Maybe if they do another record,
it'd be cool to hear them go

2141
02:19:20,879 --> 02:19:24,719
back to that sort of ruination,
the demnocracy thing, But I find it

2142
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:30,440
kind of impossible not to admire coming
back with a statement like this. Yeah.

2143
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:33,520
Also, the cover is the first
one that does not have their kind

2144
02:19:33,520 --> 02:19:39,440
of like Mascot's ramshead figure as the
central focus on the album cover. Longtime

2145
02:19:39,479 --> 02:19:43,479
fans may be wondering where that has
gone. I have been told in an

2146
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:46,680
interview that it is actually there,
but it's hidden in like a Where's Wally

2147
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:50,479
fashion on the cover. I think
I have spotted where it is. But

2148
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:54,159
if you want to entertain yourself for
ten minutes, go and look for that.

2149
02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:58,120
It is kind of imprinted in there
somewhere. Okay. Next up is

2150
02:19:58,559 --> 02:20:03,520
Darkest Hour Perpetual Terminal. We're keeping
it metal as we go through into I

2151
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:05,920
guess one of the closest things to
sort of like mainstream metalc court we're talking

2152
02:20:05,959 --> 02:20:09,760
about in this particular episode. This
record it feels like a slightly bigger deal

2153
02:20:09,799 --> 02:20:13,600
than it might have been in a
different decade, because when we are looking

2154
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:16,959
at a you know, a straight
up metal release this month, a lot

2155
02:20:16,959 --> 02:20:20,399
of it is kind of more progressive
like we've just been speaking about, or

2156
02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:22,600
more extreme like people to Come.
But for something that's just really like crowd

2157
02:20:22,680 --> 02:20:26,959
pleasing, Darkest Hour at a point
in their career where they've actually got a

2158
02:20:26,959 --> 02:20:31,120
bit more expectation around them for a
metalcore band now entering their third decade of

2159
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:35,239
doing this. I don't think you
necessarily say they have been one of the

2160
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:41,120
most like consistently brilliant, always at
the real top end standard where kind of

2161
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:46,399
like every album is an event.
Bands of that ilk their two thousand stuff

2162
02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:48,440
is very respected. But I first
heard them in the early twenty tens and

2163
02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:52,280
records like the self titled album,
which is the one that I've seen album,

2164
02:20:52,440 --> 02:20:54,079
the one album I've seen them on. I think you would say far

2165
02:20:54,159 --> 02:20:58,600
from essential. But Elliott, you
have expressed a couple of times that they're

2166
02:20:58,600 --> 02:21:01,440
amongst your kind of favorite bands of
of this type. What's your assessment,

2167
02:21:01,440 --> 02:21:05,000
I guess of sort of Darkest Hours, like were saying sort of the point

2168
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:07,440
they're at in terms of a level
of expectation or anything like that compared to

2169
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:11,600
in the past. I think they
sit in a really weird spot because they

2170
02:21:11,639 --> 02:21:15,639
have a lot of name recognition.
They're always name dropped, and some of

2171
02:21:15,639 --> 02:21:22,799
their songs are probably ranked among the
most well known melodic death metal medical songs

2172
02:21:24,079 --> 02:21:28,680
maybe ever, things like Demons or
Coalescence. That Convalescence that sort of thing

2173
02:21:28,280 --> 02:21:33,239
really recognizable. I think Demons was
in on rock band. I think that's

2174
02:21:33,239 --> 02:21:39,040
why I first discovered them. Yeah, likewise, and I think they've got

2175
02:21:39,079 --> 02:21:41,360
a string of excellent records, but
I think the thing that holds them back

2176
02:21:41,399 --> 02:21:48,200
from being considered like a true classic
band is they've never had a real classic

2177
02:21:48,559 --> 02:21:52,079
classic records. So someone like Bleeding
Through, who we all would agree are

2178
02:21:52,159 --> 02:21:58,000
very underrated and somewhere overlooked, they've
at least got one. They've got at

2179
02:21:58,079 --> 02:22:01,799
least one record that people would sort
of en Mass Caller classic and Darkest Hour

2180
02:22:03,319 --> 02:22:09,799
in lieu of having a classic have
an almost unbroken track record of really high

2181
02:22:09,879 --> 02:22:13,559
quality records. I think the self
titled is the one which it saw them

2182
02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:18,040
go a bit to kind of modern
metalcore and it wasn't a disaster, but

2183
02:22:18,360 --> 02:22:22,559
it's kind of fine. Yeah,
A bit flavorless certainly, yeah, And

2184
02:22:22,639 --> 02:22:26,879
I think you know their stock rose
dramatically in that sense when their last album,

2185
02:22:26,879 --> 02:22:31,000
Godless Prophets and the Migrant Flora,
which was released all the way back

2186
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:35,479
in February of twenty seventeen. I
wasn't even on this podcast. That's how

2187
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:39,120
long ago it was. Seven years
ago. That being a period I guess

2188
02:22:39,159 --> 02:22:41,840
when a lot of the metical bands
of the early two thousands were not releasing

2189
02:22:41,879 --> 02:22:45,680
essential work. I think that one
just gave a fucking rocket up the ass

2190
02:22:45,719 --> 02:22:48,520
to people, like they'd mean.
I was said, I don't think a

2191
02:22:48,559 --> 02:22:50,760
lot of medical bands were releasing essential
work in twenty seventeen. At that point,

2192
02:22:50,799 --> 02:22:54,040
we were on the downturn then,
Like that's what I'm saying. And

2193
02:22:54,079 --> 02:22:56,959
you know they recorded it with Kurt
Balou. It's way fucking harder than the

2194
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:00,680
band who had just made that self
titled record had any right to be.

2195
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:05,000
And I think you know, of
their particular level of metalcore band, I

2196
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:09,000
can't remember many albums of that time
that hit like that one did that Maybe

2197
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:11,479
Only Love Will Kill All from Bleeding
Through, which was that their comeback album.

2198
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:13,479
This one didn't have the narrative so
much it was just like, oh

2199
02:23:13,559 --> 02:23:18,159
shit, fucking Darkest Hour of released
a ripper, and I love that that

2200
02:23:18,239 --> 02:23:22,000
record does that kind of classic two
thousands metal cores album, but with the

2201
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:26,760
aggression and explosiveness of that, like
early twenty ten's Death Wish Southern Lord type

2202
02:23:26,959 --> 02:23:31,399
hardcore just fucking riping. So the
follow up to that would have had more

2203
02:23:31,440 --> 02:23:35,559
expectation on it than your average Darkest
Hour release perhaps, and then they took

2204
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:39,879
seven years to make it, but
now we have it. Yeah, And

2205
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:45,479
for me, the comparisons with Godless
Prophets that I always went to was the

2206
02:23:45,559 --> 02:23:48,040
sort of boom around that was kind
of like night Bringers, the way after

2207
02:23:48,079 --> 02:23:50,799
a couple of Black Dahlia Murder record
went felt like people are overlooking them,

2208
02:23:50,840 --> 02:23:56,680
people in oh fucking hell, that's
amazing. And they followed that with Verminus,

2209
02:23:56,719 --> 02:24:01,280
which is another great record, but
it's kind of suffer slightly for following

2210
02:24:01,360 --> 02:24:03,879
up what's now seen as one of
their classics. I think what we have

2211
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:13,040
here is another really very good Darkest
Hour album that maybe suffers ever so slightly

2212
02:24:13,840 --> 02:24:16,840
for having to follow up one of
their best after such a long period of

2213
02:24:16,879 --> 02:24:22,319
time. Yeah, I sort of
agree. I still really love this record.

2214
02:24:22,639 --> 02:24:26,479
This is this has such a like
sweet spot for me of again just

2215
02:24:26,520 --> 02:24:31,200
hearing play on this, getting that
title track and it just being like,

2216
02:24:31,239 --> 02:24:35,479
oh these are again these are all
just sounds I like hitting me like it's

2217
02:24:35,559 --> 02:24:39,559
just good feelings music to me.
This this kind of like melodic death,

2218
02:24:39,639 --> 02:24:43,000
metal tinge metalcore, anthemic, hard
hitting. It is not quite as good

2219
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:46,879
as the People record because I think
that album came out of nowhere. There

2220
02:24:46,920 --> 02:24:50,760
was no expectations on it. There's
the expectation this time of that, like

2221
02:24:50,399 --> 02:24:54,479
you want Darkstou to come back,
because again I think they've been a really

2222
02:24:54,559 --> 02:24:58,920
consistent, good at what they do
band. Yeah, who like not because

2223
02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:03,319
the like I have the oncoming storm
and I say bleating for this is love,

2224
02:25:03,360 --> 02:25:05,680
this is murder us. I did
think dark Side I've really had that

2225
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:11,360
until you could probably maybe say the
last album might be their definitive classic album

2226
02:25:11,360 --> 02:25:16,680
at this point, and this is
maybe not as definitive classic album material,

2227
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:20,120
but he's just darkest Our do what
they do really well. Yeah. I

2228
02:25:20,159 --> 02:25:22,959
agree with what Elliott was saying,
and to weirdly similar to the Alkaline Trio

2229
02:25:24,040 --> 02:25:26,760
narrative in that regard, I think
so yeah, I think of us.

2230
02:25:26,799 --> 02:25:33,440
I'd probably maybe have the maybe the
largest sort of gulf between like the last

2231
02:25:33,479 --> 02:25:37,239
album and this one. For me, it's that like again that production job

2232
02:25:37,239 --> 02:25:41,040
and everything with the approach they went
for sonically on that one, that multiple

2233
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:45,639
car pile up fucking wrecking hard to
achieve that a second time, especially when

2234
02:25:45,639 --> 02:25:50,559
you're not then working with Kurt blu
So this hasn't recaptured that for me in

2235
02:25:50,600 --> 02:25:54,520
that sense. But I do think, you know, especially when they've taken

2236
02:25:54,520 --> 02:25:56,000
so long term records, it is
nice to have them turn up and just

2237
02:25:56,879 --> 02:26:00,680
this kind of thing. It's nice
to have bands remind you of why you

2238
02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:03,040
liked that thing, you know,
So like here's a classic sound, good

2239
02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:07,879
level of quality, not unpleasant to
hear. That first single is the opening

2240
02:26:07,879 --> 02:26:13,399
titled track, and that intro guitar
harmony is full like a monomath deceiver of

2241
02:26:13,399 --> 02:26:16,399
the Gods horned in the sky.
And then just like a wicked, thrashing,

2242
02:26:16,639 --> 02:26:20,399
highly melodic melodeth metal core type riff. They've got a bit of that

2243
02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:24,200
lead guitar color that I associate with
like an earth kind of zombie autope pilot

2244
02:26:24,239 --> 02:26:30,000
type flair in there. I think
this record is it's a little bit more

2245
02:26:30,040 --> 02:26:33,799
sort of standard metal corse, shall
we say, than that previous album was,

2246
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:35,680
which had that sort of Southern lord
flavor in there. There's a bit

2247
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:39,079
more vocal melody back in the mix
as well. Whatever, but it is

2248
02:26:39,159 --> 02:26:41,760
a happy medium, you know,
It's not as wet, for example,

2249
02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:46,159
as the self titled record kind of
was. I was really happy when Societal

2250
02:26:46,200 --> 02:26:50,440
Bile hit at track two and that
signal to me, Okay, we're not

2251
02:26:50,520 --> 02:26:54,159
just doing a complete two thousand and
four nostalgia lap. I want a tiny

2252
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:58,239
bit of my Darkest Hour album.
I want to sound like a Nails album.

2253
02:26:58,360 --> 02:27:01,760
And you've got the five bombs and
like, yeah, bringing a bit

2254
02:27:01,760 --> 02:27:07,000
of chaos, the drums actually going
ham all over the place. Like even

2255
02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:11,399
then after a minute you do get
that groove it locks into and like big

2256
02:27:11,399 --> 02:27:15,520
breaks on the end. But yeah, like when you've got that track one

2257
02:27:15,559 --> 02:27:16,799
too, for me, I was
like, oh cool, you've covered things.

2258
02:27:16,840 --> 02:27:20,360
I want this out. I want
this some to do. I'm happy.

2259
02:27:20,360 --> 02:27:22,360
I'll just take more of this.
I mean omittedly again Nails with like

2260
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:26,559
loads of like wailing heavy metal league
guitars, but like that's a that's grind,

2261
02:27:26,840 --> 02:27:30,600
that that starts that riff, you
know, like the abuse of the

2262
02:27:30,600 --> 02:27:33,040
guitar, and that is like a
worm rock riff, the pace on the

2263
02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:35,360
drums, and I think just that
is the thing that Darkest Hour are going

2264
02:27:35,399 --> 02:27:39,079
to throw in that the likes of, you know, as I lay dying,

2265
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:43,479
never were and it's nice, yeah, And I think that's one of

2266
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:46,600
the things that people overlook about Darkest
Hour is that they have so much more

2267
02:27:46,680 --> 02:27:52,760
conviction and sort of enthusiasm for being
heavy than a lot of their peers do.

2268
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:56,040
Some August Burn's Bread, who I
don't think are a terrible band,

2269
02:27:56,639 --> 02:28:01,799
but they never snarl the way Darkest
Hour, with the exception that self titled

2270
02:28:01,799 --> 02:28:05,639
record kind of always have. And
for me, this is just eleven tracks

2271
02:28:05,079 --> 02:28:07,639
and for the most part they don't
deve it from the central idea, with

2272
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:13,079
the exception of maybe one song which
you might get to. But it's like,

2273
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:16,639
yeah, dive bombs, beat downs, twin lead riffs, ferocious vocals,

2274
02:28:18,479 --> 02:28:22,680
but a genuine kind of punk energy
and explosively powerful performance that I agree

2275
02:28:22,719 --> 02:28:28,319
the production job doesn't do the best
job of upholding it kind of you know,

2276
02:28:28,879 --> 02:28:31,639
it drops the ball on that front. I think it's fine only comparing

2277
02:28:31,639 --> 02:28:35,639
it to the preview one, which
is just explosive. Yeah, but no.

2278
02:28:35,879 --> 02:28:37,799
Yeah, That's why I don't think
it's a bad production job by any

2279
02:28:37,799 --> 02:28:43,479
means. But I think it's a
hard record to review this in a way

2280
02:28:43,559 --> 02:28:46,440
because they've done loads of records in
a similar vein to this. This is

2281
02:28:46,440 --> 02:28:50,079
maybe a bit more lead heavy than
some of the other ones, more enthemic,

2282
02:28:50,120 --> 02:28:52,479
I think at times I get I
think the title track that I gave

2283
02:28:52,520 --> 02:28:56,639
everything to the night chorus, even
if it's not the clean vocals, it

2284
02:28:56,760 --> 02:29:01,319
is browsing sor fist pumping and femic
metal corn yeah chorus. It's certainly more

2285
02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:05,239
melodic than the previous one, and
I guess there's a nice balance of that

2286
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:07,920
with the again, the slightly more
extreme parts. I think, you know,

2287
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:13,760
love is fear. There's an almost
Swede death kind of buzz saw rift,

2288
02:29:13,879 --> 02:29:16,479
like a blood bath song. I
was expecting Nick Holmes to croak in

2289
02:29:16,639 --> 02:29:18,879
on that particular track. It's pretty
mean. I like it, the nihilist

2290
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:22,479
undone, you know, vocally quite
brutal. You can hear the kind of

2291
02:29:22,479 --> 02:29:26,559
tear in the voice on that,
like really pacy melodeth riff. The choruses

2292
02:29:26,600 --> 02:29:28,879
on it, like on that one
as well. Sometimes there's a bit like

2293
02:29:28,959 --> 02:29:33,440
kind of the twenty first century in
flames choruses that work like things like take

2294
02:29:33,479 --> 02:29:35,760
this Life and stuff like that,
you know, not the kind of really

2295
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:39,680
lib grating ones, but kind of
where the wretch carries a bit of melody

2296
02:29:39,719 --> 02:29:45,719
and anthemicness to it. New Utopian
Dream is kind of ugly and wretched,

2297
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:48,840
but still catchy. There are you
know, I don't know what one you

2298
02:29:48,879 --> 02:29:54,040
were alluding to, Elliott. There's
the cleans On one with the void get

2299
02:29:54,040 --> 02:29:58,639
a little Matt Tuck doing his mean
voice for me. The one I was

2300
02:29:58,680 --> 02:30:07,799
thinking of Mausleum Mausoleum, which I've
written Matt Tuck down, which well,

2301
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:09,879
that to me sounds that they're trying
to do kind of like alis in chainsy

2302
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:16,799
kind of grunge almost, and it's
it doesn't suit them the most. Yeah,

2303
02:30:16,920 --> 02:30:20,440
I mean, I would never accuse
him of trying to do Matt Tuck

2304
02:30:20,520 --> 02:30:24,959
and Bullet for my Valentine. But
yeah, that's song like it's it's frustrating.

2305
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:28,600
So I really admire it and I
want to like it because on a

2306
02:30:28,639 --> 02:30:35,319
record which for the most part focuses
on one central idea for them to do

2307
02:30:35,360 --> 02:30:39,760
this exertion that starts folk and ends
as a medical song in four minutes.

2308
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:46,639
I think it's really impressive. But
yeah, it's just it's not flattering.

2309
02:30:46,719 --> 02:30:50,680
It's just it's not something's in their
comfort zone. And it's frustrating to say

2310
02:30:50,680 --> 02:30:54,079
that because I think Darkest Hour will
have loads of really great a lot of

2311
02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:56,879
courses, like you said, like
in Flames and bands like that will kill

2312
02:30:56,879 --> 02:31:01,799
switch when that they're based when they're
really exciting, rousing, melodic chorus.

2313
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:09,920
I think Darkest Hour are frequently capable
of that, and it's a bit bit

2314
02:31:09,959 --> 02:31:13,000
of a shitter that on this record, the bit where they really let that

2315
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:18,040
aspect fly, it's one of my
least favorite songs of this Yeah I did.

2316
02:31:18,079 --> 02:31:20,040
I was maybe thinking during this record
overall, like is part of the

2317
02:31:20,040 --> 02:31:24,479
reason that Darkest Hour are not as
big as some of the others, the

2318
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:28,360
fact that they don't have as much
of a really stand out vocal personality.

2319
02:31:28,680 --> 02:31:31,159
Like there's a couple of different kind
of clean vocal tones that are a bit

2320
02:31:31,440 --> 02:31:35,680
sort of like who is this guy? You know? When you're like listening

2321
02:31:35,719 --> 02:31:39,920
to this The vocals are maybe the
most identic element about this band, and

2322
02:31:41,360 --> 02:31:43,280
I wonder whether that sort of stops
them having that real figure to kind of

2323
02:31:43,319 --> 02:31:48,360
hang again the personality of the band, of the way that the bands he

2324
02:31:48,440 --> 02:31:50,840
broke really big, you know do
But you know, if you're a guitar

2325
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:54,559
love where they got Shredders. The
solo in a more fatty which is just

2326
02:31:54,600 --> 02:31:58,360
literally just the song of solo is
a you know, it's worthy of these

2327
02:31:58,399 --> 02:32:01,840
last couple of albums that we've been
speaking about. And uh, you know

2328
02:32:01,159 --> 02:32:05,360
again in terms of pure melod death, maybe it suffers slightly coming after that

2329
02:32:05,399 --> 02:32:09,360
upon Stone record last month, which
is kind of rawer and more excitable,

2330
02:32:09,399 --> 02:32:13,719
but it can at least, you
know, hang with you know, if

2331
02:32:13,760 --> 02:32:18,079
you like dying wish, something like
a prayer to the Holy Death can hang

2332
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:22,040
with that in the kind of melodic
riffing department. And I was having to

2333
02:32:22,040 --> 02:32:22,959
it when you're talking about Wazoleim there. I was having to check the track

2334
02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:26,239
list to make sure you weren't talking
about the last song because the epic moment

2335
02:32:26,280 --> 02:32:30,879
at the end where yeah, it's
not esan okay, but it's pretty grand

2336
02:32:31,079 --> 02:32:33,040
and it's pretty explosive with melody,
and I did that. I think that

2337
02:32:33,879 --> 02:32:37,120
the Goddess of War give me Something
to Die For is one of the best

2338
02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:39,959
vocal moments on the album. That's
things I think that they show they can

2339
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:43,879
do that, they can do that
kind of cleaner, more Granti and they

2340
02:32:43,879 --> 02:32:46,000
do Gotts give Me to his Diffault. I think Wazoleum is just that the

2341
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:50,600
one moment where it falters that that
you then get mind you get coming out

2342
02:32:50,600 --> 02:32:54,479
of Wazolium, which is just this
like stomping blast of hardcore, which I

2343
02:32:54,479 --> 02:32:58,239
think is a really fun like shift. Again, like this album does.

2344
02:32:58,280 --> 02:33:01,239
Actually, there is a variety this
album. It's not just doing the one

2345
02:33:01,799 --> 02:33:05,239
mellow deaf thing over and over again. And that's why I like, I

2346
02:33:05,239 --> 02:33:07,639
do. I do respect that they
they are trying to mix up, and

2347
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:13,280
I think some of some of those
deviations are more drastic than others, some

2348
02:33:13,319 --> 02:33:15,799
of them work better than others.
But it does feel at least there is

2349
02:33:16,559 --> 02:33:20,159
some effort to not just have this
be the same old We're just doing two

2350
02:33:20,159 --> 02:33:26,360
thousand and four melow death metalcore.
Yeah, I don't think this is like

2351
02:33:26,760 --> 02:33:31,680
one of the absolute standout darkest hour
records, at least for like vocal lines

2352
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:35,200
like you're saying parent, I mean, I hear what you're saying about him

2353
02:33:35,360 --> 02:33:39,879
being maybe a slightly faceless vocalist,
but I think that's no less true for

2354
02:33:39,079 --> 02:33:45,840
August Burn's Red or I mean until
well, we know what, until as

2355
02:33:45,879 --> 02:33:48,280
I lay dying, like, can
you pick his voice out of a lineup?

2356
02:33:48,639 --> 02:33:52,120
Sure? Maybe I don't know,
But for me, Darkow have been

2357
02:33:52,159 --> 02:33:54,520
stronger in that department and other records, and maybe that's the reason this was

2358
02:33:54,639 --> 02:33:58,719
a slightly middling record in their cannon. But on the flip side of that,

2359
02:34:00,440 --> 02:34:05,120
it's another record that doesn't really affects
my assessment to the band one way

2360
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:09,000
or the other. Like it's I
wasn't really surprised by this record, but

2361
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:13,159
it's me going yeah, Darkest Hour. The thing that's impressed for about them

2362
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:16,719
for me is that they have this
wealth of really strong records and now it's

2363
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:20,360
one longer. Yeah, I would
agree with that. I think, you

2364
02:34:20,360 --> 02:34:22,280
know, the most aggressive stuff on
it, like Love is Fear and the

2365
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:26,399
grindcore song that for me is what
brings the real kind of like a fuck

2366
02:34:26,479 --> 02:34:28,479
yeah Darkest Hour kind of factor.
The stuff that they do the other bands

2367
02:34:28,479 --> 02:34:33,559
and their sphere don't so much.
This isn't all that, but there is

2368
02:34:33,719 --> 02:34:37,680
enough of it to kind of still
stand out to me again, you know,

2369
02:34:37,079 --> 02:34:41,280
it reminds me a bit of something
like the two thousands of metal core

2370
02:34:41,319 --> 02:34:45,760
equivalent of something like the Halo Effect
album for the kind of nineties generation before

2371
02:34:45,799 --> 02:34:48,760
that. You know, it's not
the most it's not the most like vital,

2372
02:34:48,159 --> 02:34:52,479
gritty revival of that sound. If
you are saying that again, we

2373
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:54,360
have things like the apon Stone record, for example, to kind of counterrap

2374
02:34:54,399 --> 02:34:58,120
that it's not quite accurate, but
it is people very seasoned in the style

2375
02:34:58,600 --> 02:35:03,239
of Void, some of the pitfalls
of other bands their vintage doing a really

2376
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:07,959
respectable rendition of it, even if
I think they're kind of like it lacks

2377
02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:11,760
the proper blood pumping factor of the
previous record. That now seems like maybe

2378
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:15,200
a bit of a standalone kind of
like whoa kind of peak moment. But

2379
02:35:15,280 --> 02:35:18,159
it does go back to, as
you're saying, very consistent, very reliable

2380
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:22,200
darkest Hour records in that regard.
We now have a couple here of the

2381
02:35:22,200 --> 02:35:28,280
most anticipated significant records in the underground
this year. We are going much more

2382
02:35:28,600 --> 02:35:33,159
dingy fair after you know, more
mainstream fair and jetting out into outer space

2383
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:37,319
in all of that business. First
off, on that kind of level they

2384
02:35:37,319 --> 02:35:41,239
don't get too much more anticipated than
Spectral Voice. Spiagmos is the name of

2385
02:35:41,239 --> 02:35:46,200
their second record. This band is
part of the Colorado school of extreme metal

2386
02:35:46,200 --> 02:35:50,879
bands that have taken over so much. They share three out of their four

2387
02:35:50,920 --> 02:35:54,239
members with blood Incantation, and they
are perhaps the Blooding Cantation spinoff band who

2388
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:58,959
have maybe earned the most kind of
hallowed reputation in their own right. I

2389
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:01,959
think wayfair of knock up in recent
years with a really string of great albums.

2390
02:36:03,079 --> 02:36:07,120
But Spectral Voice released an album in
twenty seventeen titled Eroded Corridors of Unbeing

2391
02:36:07,440 --> 02:36:13,680
that, compared to the like progressive
space death of Blooding Cantation, Spectral Voice

2392
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:20,280
is all about musty tombs and caverns
and playing an extreme kind of death doom.

2393
02:36:20,520 --> 02:36:24,120
Like Blooding Cantation has flashes of color
with the kind of progressive, mind

2394
02:36:24,159 --> 02:36:30,719
expanding leanings. This is about as
bleak and dark and soul crushing as death

2395
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:37,079
metal gets, and I bloody love
it. Yeah, this is just hilariously

2396
02:36:37,399 --> 02:36:46,200
means spirited. It's like four tracks
of ugly, contorted, unwelcoming disease death

2397
02:36:46,239 --> 02:36:54,559
doom and somehow by a margin less
palatable than most bands in that genre.

2398
02:36:54,799 --> 02:37:00,559
Like in a genre which is almost
like the poster child for unwelcoming and appealing,

2399
02:37:01,319 --> 02:37:05,120
this manages to be among the most
unwelcoming and unappealing. It's horror.

2400
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:09,479
I love it. This kind of
death metal. We've not really spoken about

2401
02:37:09,479 --> 02:37:11,680
them on the show because they are
more underground and kind of cult, but

2402
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:15,600
there's a couple of really big classics
that kind of inform like the tricks of

2403
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:18,760
most things to have come since a
record like Transcendence into the Peripheral by Disembowment

2404
02:37:20,120 --> 02:37:22,840
is a really big example, massively
influential kind of cult death doom record.

2405
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:26,000
I think you could argue that a
Roader Corridors of m Being is kind of

2406
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:28,600
to the twenty tens what that record
was to like the nineties, like just

2407
02:37:28,600 --> 02:37:33,719
this Monster. That represents a congealing
of those kind of approaches. And they

2408
02:37:33,719 --> 02:37:37,680
were one of the kind of the
extended Blooding Cantation house of bands that who

2409
02:37:37,719 --> 02:37:41,760
looked like they might not come back
for a minute. You know. Since

2410
02:37:41,799 --> 02:37:45,440
the debut album in twenty seventeen,
we have had one Blooding Cantation album and

2411
02:37:45,479 --> 02:37:48,760
two EPs, three Way for Herr
albums, one Storm Keep album, one

2412
02:37:48,799 --> 02:37:52,559
Black Curse album one like a Tone
In album. I'd heard rumors that maybe

2413
02:37:52,559 --> 02:37:56,280
they weren't actually going to continue doing
this band, you know, whether that

2414
02:37:56,319 --> 02:37:58,920
was kind of disconnecting the ranks,
or it was in fact suggested by Paul

2415
02:38:00,319 --> 02:38:03,799
at one point that maybe it would
just be cooler for them to do one

2416
02:38:03,959 --> 02:38:05,920
revered album and then just leave it
and let that kind of stand for the

2417
02:38:05,959 --> 02:38:09,879
test of time by itself. The
fact that you know, a second Spectral

2418
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:15,040
Voice album has actually materialized did not
feel like it was a certain conclusion at

2419
02:38:15,079 --> 02:38:18,159
any point. And this feels like
a really obvious thing to say, but

2420
02:38:18,920 --> 02:38:22,120
bear with me a minute. Death
metal, to me is often at its

2421
02:38:22,159 --> 02:38:26,920
best when it has an element of
death to it. Like I do love

2422
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:30,159
death metal. That is fun,
and I like big, catchy grooves,

2423
02:38:30,440 --> 02:38:33,000
but the kind of thing I've said
before about, like the recent wave of

2424
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:35,200
really popular death metal coming out of
the more hardcore end and stuff, this

2425
02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:37,479
is the kind of thing I need
to balance it out, you know,

2426
02:38:37,680 --> 02:38:41,280
Like I like them, but it
can't all be Frozen Soul and two hundred

2427
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:46,159
stab wounds, because I need some
genuine sense of kind of death worship that

2428
02:38:46,200 --> 02:38:52,000
this has. Like I like the
music to have a scary aura that transports

2429
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:56,920
you somewhere, and that there's a
believability in what Spectral Voice kind of how

2430
02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:01,239
they how entrenched in suffocating darkness.
It is like it feels like an exercise

2431
02:39:01,399 --> 02:39:07,040
in evoking the sounds of death and
the tomb. It's like some kind of

2432
02:39:07,079 --> 02:39:09,639
funeral rite in a record or something, as much as it is a collection

2433
02:39:09,719 --> 02:39:13,079
of death metal songs. And you
know, there have been good underground sort

2434
02:39:13,079 --> 02:39:16,639
of death doom records since you know, Multiferum, Undergang, whatever, but

2435
02:39:16,920 --> 02:39:22,079
I don't think many of them have
the genuine sense of deathliness for want of

2436
02:39:22,079 --> 02:39:24,360
a better word, that Spectral Voice
have managed to tap into. Like they

2437
02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:31,079
are not just disgusting, but tapping
through to some kind of like other plane

2438
02:39:31,079 --> 02:39:37,040
of you know, beyond Spectral Voice
achieving that through just like heavy heavy death

2439
02:39:37,079 --> 02:39:39,879
metal. And you know, I've
mentioned before that I'm a bit cursed with

2440
02:39:39,920 --> 02:39:43,399
missing blood caantation life, but I
have seen Spectral Voice and they are one

2441
02:39:43,399 --> 02:39:48,280
of the heaviest, most crushing,
literally pitch black experiences. They play with

2442
02:39:48,360 --> 02:39:52,879
most of the house lights off because
it's just trying to just again have that

2443
02:39:52,079 --> 02:39:56,639
smell of death and darkness. This
album is four songs long. Like you

2444
02:39:56,680 --> 02:39:58,440
say, it's one less than the
last album. Yeah, it's about thirty

2445
02:39:58,479 --> 02:40:03,920
seconds long. This is a death
metal arm you have to immerse yourself in.

2446
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:09,360
It is a punishing, suffocating ordeal. I mean I could echo everything

2447
02:40:09,440 --> 02:40:15,319
you were saying about death in death
metal being weirdly and an ingredient that kind

2448
02:40:15,360 --> 02:40:18,120
of gets overlooked, Like if I
it was a list a lot of my

2449
02:40:18,159 --> 02:40:20,559
favorite death metal bands, they don't
necessarily evoke death. It might be war

2450
02:40:20,920 --> 02:40:26,559
and violence and that sort of thing. But there's a reason why. When

2451
02:40:26,600 --> 02:40:31,920
Suicide Euphoria came out in twenty fifteen, it was just this, like eyes

2452
02:40:31,959 --> 02:40:37,920
widening, it was like the fucking
hell, Like this is death metal that

2453
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:45,280
feels genuinely dangerous and you know,
I say grotesque and like it's dying.

2454
02:40:45,799 --> 02:40:52,959
But Spectral Voice almost take that principle
further because pis grave do at least still

2455
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:58,159
sound like a band who might rehearse
their songs. This record the thing you

2456
02:40:58,200 --> 02:41:01,600
say about job for a we're not
knowing how they wrote their songs. That's

2457
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:03,479
how I listen to this. I
just think, how do you even know

2458
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:07,600
when this is over? How do
you decide the songs done, there's a

2459
02:41:07,840 --> 02:41:09,040
like, we'll get to it,
but the song that closes this thing,

2460
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:16,000
it feels like it ends for eleven
minutes. It's like it moves at a

2461
02:41:16,079 --> 02:41:20,399
snail pace. And then you'll get
these random flourishes of super fast drums that

2462
02:41:20,440 --> 02:41:24,360
will make any sense, riffs which, as soon as they become decipherable,

2463
02:41:24,920 --> 02:41:30,840
will just keel over and die.
But it makes for one hell of a

2464
02:41:30,959 --> 02:41:35,760
ride. Like being that at the
mercy of a record is a kind of

2465
02:41:35,799 --> 02:41:41,520
magical thing, and if you do
it to this standard, I can't help

2466
02:41:41,559 --> 02:41:46,319
but absolutely love it. Yeah,
I really value a death metal record that

2467
02:41:46,559 --> 02:41:50,079
puts me in a kind of trance
and it feels like, you know,

2468
02:41:50,159 --> 02:41:52,959
it's like I'm being put on ice, Like my pulse is being lowered to

2469
02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:56,440
such a point where I can hibernate, you know, in this kind of

2470
02:41:56,520 --> 02:42:01,479
death state. And in that sense
I imagined to we were probable to lose

2471
02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:05,280
Sam because it comes very close in
spirits of funeral Doom at times. Am

2472
02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:09,079
I correct here? I mean,
just you know, two years of like

2473
02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:11,799
doing this, two plus years of
this for now, four songs, forty

2474
02:42:11,879 --> 02:42:18,280
five minute death Doom album should fill
me with dread and I was genuinely just

2475
02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:20,639
like, are we doing this?
This is the most I've liked one of

2476
02:42:20,680 --> 02:42:24,200
these albums. Oh thank god.
I mean it's fucking brutal as well,

2477
02:42:24,280 --> 02:42:28,280
but it is. It is like
again, I'm still figuring out this album,

2478
02:42:30,239 --> 02:42:37,600
but in terms of just selling you
on totally just bleak, oppressive atmosphere,

2479
02:42:39,239 --> 02:42:43,520
riding out like a note for so
long, just a riff. The

2480
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:48,559
drums on Bee Cadaver are like so
cavinous. They are like, it's the

2481
02:42:48,600 --> 02:42:54,600
sound of this band is stupid at
times in how like what they do,

2482
02:42:54,719 --> 02:42:58,879
like the way they'll bend a note, and it just sounds so ominous.

2483
02:42:58,959 --> 02:43:05,360
The vocals they have that sickly,
definitely like decaying quality to it, Like

2484
02:43:05,600 --> 02:43:09,239
you are right about this album,
Like Reeking of Death. It is fully

2485
02:43:09,319 --> 02:43:13,520
you're in the crypt with it,
and I think like that that does add

2486
02:43:13,559 --> 02:43:16,680
lot to appeal to it. But
what it is is because it is drawn

2487
02:43:16,719 --> 02:43:22,319
out and slow, the moments where
they do then blast or like rip out

2488
02:43:22,360 --> 02:43:26,719
a rip or something like that,
and and the intensity they're so startling and

2489
02:43:26,840 --> 02:43:33,840
so uncompromisingly punishing that it's really exciting
when they hit be Kadava is one of

2490
02:43:33,879 --> 02:43:37,680
the best song titles. Yeah,
ever, I've got a story on that.

2491
02:43:39,639 --> 02:43:45,360
So Bekerdaver again. This is this
is so in the in the depth

2492
02:43:45,399 --> 02:43:48,760
of death metal internet, right.
But there's there's a guy who I vaguely

2493
02:43:48,799 --> 02:43:52,000
know through the Internet. I've met
them a couple of times, and in

2494
02:43:52,040 --> 02:43:54,479
terms of like his presence online,
he's one of the most like hilariously committed,

2495
02:43:54,520 --> 02:44:00,360
just like I live and breathe death
metal maniac people. Years ago his

2496
02:44:00,600 --> 02:44:03,760
like Instagram bio. I lost my
mind over it because it was just all

2497
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:09,079
caps be cadaver. Like. It
was like it was like a motto or

2498
02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:11,680
a mission statement or something like that, this is how you should be in

2499
02:44:11,719 --> 02:44:15,840
life. How do you become maximum
death metal? Be cadaver? And I

2500
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:20,319
just fucking loved that as a phrase. Fast forward about seven years, seeing

2501
02:44:20,360 --> 02:44:24,799
the first track of this album is
called be Cadaver, I lost my goddamn

2502
02:44:24,799 --> 02:44:26,920
mind. I was like, is
this a reference to that? Like one

2503
02:44:28,040 --> 02:44:31,000
death metal guy on Instagram who I'm
sure that they would know. Whatever did

2504
02:44:31,040 --> 02:44:33,959
he like get it from? Is
it like a thing on an old demo

2505
02:44:35,079 --> 02:44:37,399
or something that he got it from
and they brought it back here whatever.

2506
02:44:37,680 --> 02:44:45,559
Turns out that guy wrote the lyrics
to that song. He's committed to that

2507
02:44:45,639 --> 02:44:50,200
motto so hard that approaching a decade
later, when he got given his shot

2508
02:44:50,479 --> 02:44:54,799
to spread his message to the world, he did it be cadaver And that

2509
02:44:54,959 --> 02:45:01,000
is the level of cadaverousness. I
think we can all for sucking aspire to

2510
02:45:01,399 --> 02:45:03,719
the mission statement. So that has
brought me a lot of personal joy.

2511
02:45:03,799 --> 02:45:09,840
But you are quite correct, it's
a wonderful two word phrase. Oh my.

2512
02:45:11,520 --> 02:45:15,920
And then the song itself, it's
like mental funeral played at one rpm,

2513
02:45:18,719 --> 02:45:24,600
unfathomably grueling, like it goes slower
then you think a band could play

2514
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:28,799
at what point are you even performing? Like and that's it is. When

2515
02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:35,040
it goes slow, it is so
like just creaking and just like moving out

2516
02:45:35,040 --> 02:45:39,799
of place, like someone snapping one
of your bones, and slowly literally like

2517
02:45:39,520 --> 02:45:43,840
and then but then, I mean
it is those like short like sudden bursts

2518
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:48,840
of pace that do just kind of
like like you get a bit like we

2519
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:52,959
will go fast, and they all
just collapse back into doom again and it's

2520
02:45:52,040 --> 02:45:56,280
like it can't. It tries to
go fast and it can't, and it's

2521
02:45:56,319 --> 02:46:03,360
just back to just wretching and rotten
in its in its crypt like really immersive

2522
02:46:03,360 --> 02:46:07,239
as an opening track, and it
is disgustingly heavy but evolving enough that I

2523
02:46:07,280 --> 02:46:11,760
didn't get bored. Yeah, I
feel I feel like Bee could ever,

2524
02:46:11,959 --> 02:46:16,840
like genuinely could be the kind of
spectral voice mission statement as a song in

2525
02:46:16,920 --> 02:46:22,559
terms of like the first six minutes
of this twelve minute song essentially just kind

2526
02:46:22,600 --> 02:46:26,040
of like oscillate on these like couple
of chords just ringing out over and over

2527
02:46:26,399 --> 02:46:31,559
while more shit piles on the top
of it, and its harrowing the drums

2528
02:46:31,920 --> 02:46:37,479
like between each chord, and the
way they make every stroke of the guitar

2529
02:46:37,559 --> 02:46:41,000
is just kind of shudder with this
like ominous anticipation. That's the key to

2530
02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:46,520
making it so hypnotic. They bring
in again these cleaner guitars that are like

2531
02:46:46,680 --> 02:46:50,079
more upsetting and more skin crawling than
the heavy ones. That's that kind of

2532
02:46:50,079 --> 02:46:56,719
disembowelment trick the vocals are. It's
just like ungodly exhalation of dying breaths.

2533
02:46:56,079 --> 02:47:03,319
The fucking moment on the album,
all of that bill up crushing weight transitioned

2534
02:47:03,360 --> 02:47:07,079
into that like at that six minute
mark, this more discernible mid paced death

2535
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:13,760
metal rift part, and after that
build it just smacks you like that is

2536
02:47:13,799 --> 02:47:16,000
the business man, Like, that's
the kind of hellish evil I want in

2537
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:18,920
my death metal. Parts of this
record are just like being tied to a

2538
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:24,440
post and it's now being played alive. The roars and screams and kind of

2539
02:47:24,280 --> 02:47:30,559
they're as much like pure horror and
atmospheric effect as they are traditional vocal lines.

2540
02:47:30,680 --> 02:47:33,879
Sometimes the vocals on this they've become
just some of these like layered over

2541
02:47:33,959 --> 02:47:37,840
each other whispers, like they don't
even have like a central material source.

2542
02:47:37,920 --> 02:47:41,319
It's like hearing these voices echo around
a cave or something like. Sonically,

2543
02:47:41,680 --> 02:47:48,000
it's so attuned and experienced that kind
of like subterranean void of light feel.

2544
02:47:48,120 --> 02:47:52,600
And then there is this moment in
the latter quarter of Bekadaver when it actually

2545
02:47:52,639 --> 02:47:58,639
takes on melody and it becomes like
a really a legit mournful funeral doing part

2546
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:03,440
and it has this really like haunting
melodic based tone, kind of airy chanted

2547
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:07,000
vocals. It basically sounds like Belwich
just for that one moment. There's like

2548
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:09,440
a two minute Belwich part in the
song, and that's it's two minutes long

2549
02:48:11,079 --> 02:48:13,239
exactly, you know, And that
is new to them for this record as

2550
02:48:13,239 --> 02:48:16,799
far as I'm aware, But it's
not an original sound that they've invented.

2551
02:48:16,799 --> 02:48:20,200
But it's a hell of a fucking
moment in the record to like open up

2552
02:48:20,280 --> 02:48:24,120
that sort of depressive grandeur at that
point in the song. Yeah, And

2553
02:48:24,159 --> 02:48:31,719
I think that as a dimension therees
so much for this record because kind of

2554
02:48:31,719 --> 02:48:37,079
as a reward, but it's still
unfathomably heavy and slow and grueling. Again,

2555
02:48:37,120 --> 02:48:41,280
it's just one of those things where
a lesser band might not have had

2556
02:48:41,319 --> 02:48:48,719
that idea or might have thought,
are we sacrificing? Are we perhaps giving

2557
02:48:48,760 --> 02:48:54,120
away some of the you know,
real mean spiritedness that makes the majority of

2558
02:48:54,120 --> 02:48:58,280
this record so overwhelming? Yeah?
Are we kind of putting that up for

2559
02:48:58,360 --> 02:49:03,040
sale if we go melodic? But
no, you just you're you're adding more

2560
02:49:03,079 --> 02:49:09,639
dementia, You're adding color, even
if it's sort of a subterranean Who's green?

2561
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:11,120
Yeah, And what you were saying
about kind of them playing together,

2562
02:49:11,280 --> 02:49:13,719
you know at that kind of pace, it's like, you know, what

2563
02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:16,840
is the metronome for that kind of
pace? You know, like it that

2564
02:49:16,040 --> 02:49:22,440
is fucking a fluid thing you are
hearing kind of unfold in front of you

2565
02:49:22,479 --> 02:49:26,680
when they are paying playing that slowly
weirdly and again with that added horror element

2566
02:49:26,680 --> 02:49:30,280
of death metal on top of that
kind of trance. Like you know,

2567
02:49:30,360 --> 02:49:33,559
if if you found something that looks
like this record sounds like that thing on

2568
02:49:33,559 --> 02:49:37,000
the cover, you would run the
fuck away from it, Like you're entering

2569
02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:39,440
some kind of like blair Witch territory. You know, the tom's in the

2570
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:43,879
drum kit, they feel like they're
almost in the mix themselves, the kind

2571
02:49:43,920 --> 02:49:46,920
of like ghostly sounds like you're like
a rickety mind shaft or something. The

2572
02:49:46,959 --> 02:49:52,959
final seconds of beakerd Aver do these
like repeated roles like they're teasing you or

2573
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:56,399
like taunting you, like they're about
to lead into something, and then when

2574
02:49:56,440 --> 02:50:00,959
it finally does, the real one
that leads into red Feet condensed into one

2575
02:50:01,719 --> 02:50:07,760
goes fucking insane, like absolute cacophony
at that point, the most like ferocious,

2576
02:50:07,959 --> 02:50:13,239
ripping, tearing death metal phenomenally violent
in that moment. Yeah, I

2577
02:50:13,280 --> 02:50:16,680
feel like I've kind of blown the
pis Grave comparison early, because when that

2578
02:50:16,680 --> 02:50:18,120
opens, it's like the first one
heard suicide you for it, and the

2579
02:50:18,159 --> 02:50:24,159
first tense that might be the most
intense ten seconds of a death moraic I've

2580
02:50:24,159 --> 02:50:28,520
ever heard on that album, and
I haven't felt that way since until Red

2581
02:50:28,520 --> 02:50:35,040
Feast Condensed into One opens like that, and you know, I'm aware of

2582
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:37,200
spectral voices work before, but I
kind of thought, oh, we're going

2583
02:50:37,239 --> 02:50:39,600
to be in a sort of different
zone here. Well maybe, but only

2584
02:50:39,639 --> 02:50:43,000
last for about a minute, and
then you're back in the most labyrinthine,

2585
02:50:43,319 --> 02:50:48,360
confusing, upturning death doom song you've
ever heard. And we've talked a bit

2586
02:50:48,399 --> 02:50:54,159
about the sort of sound manipulation,
but unless I'm hearing that wrong with there's

2587
02:50:54,200 --> 02:50:58,680
like jangling chains and sort of fleeting
phones on that song. It's just like

2588
02:50:58,680 --> 02:51:03,200
it's fucking frightly. It's like the
kind of like Iraq Pazuzi intro to The

2589
02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:07,239
Exorcist or something, just like these
haunting blasts of weird instruments. That's why

2590
02:51:07,239 --> 02:51:11,959
you get real sense of like the
ancient you know, that makes this record

2591
02:51:11,120 --> 02:51:16,639
authentically kind of atmospheric and scary.
I mean, the first forty seconds of

2592
02:51:16,680 --> 02:51:20,239
Red Feast Condensed One is kind of
what sold this album to me, was

2593
02:51:20,280 --> 02:51:24,799
when you could have that within there
and I'm just like, oh, holy

2594
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:30,760
shit, like that is completely inhuman
like chaotic death metal. And again,

2595
02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:35,440
not suit doesn't last for super long, but it's such a like fucking hell

2596
02:51:35,520 --> 02:51:37,040
that that's gonna grab you moment.
And so then when you go back into

2597
02:51:37,079 --> 02:51:41,959
that slow doing it and then you're
back in the immersive part of it,

2598
02:51:41,959 --> 02:51:46,920
it kind of then never lets you
settle to like even if then those bits

2599
02:51:46,959 --> 02:51:50,239
will go on for several minutes,
I never felt like I was just kind

2600
02:51:50,239 --> 02:51:54,520
of like sitting there like just going
yep, cool, same old slow doing

2601
02:51:54,559 --> 02:51:56,520
me because I was like, at
any second, this this feels like it

2602
02:51:56,559 --> 02:52:03,079
could go completely off the rows and
it's like weird manic evilness to the record.

2603
02:52:03,120 --> 02:52:05,520
Yeah, I mean there's a real
tension where you don't know exactly what's

2604
02:52:05,559 --> 02:52:07,399
going to jump out of you at
any moment, which I think is what

2605
02:52:07,879 --> 02:52:11,239
Again in terms of how the keeps
engaging to me, Yeah, that very

2606
02:52:11,239 --> 02:52:16,639
authentic again trance like kind of way
that they've approached even building the record.

2607
02:52:16,200 --> 02:52:22,280
It's not formulaic, and it does
rattle your fucking skull with how fast it

2608
02:52:22,319 --> 02:52:26,879
can go when it wants to.
I love sign you sensor. When it

2609
02:52:26,920 --> 02:52:30,920
has those really like kind of like
the clean riff in, it almost feels

2610
02:52:30,920 --> 02:52:33,120
like it's being broken apart. In
terms of like how big the intervals between

2611
02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:37,440
the notes are and having that to
kind of like over that like Death Machine

2612
02:52:37,479 --> 02:52:39,399
double bass roll on the main riff
really brilliant, and they do have like

2613
02:52:39,440 --> 02:52:45,159
the slow repeating lead parts that kind
of drill their way into your head.

2614
02:52:45,360 --> 02:52:48,200
The slow parts in that song with
that kneedling little guitar line and then death

2615
02:52:48,239 --> 02:52:52,920
knell rings an Eternity is like a
bully of a death doom song, Like

2616
02:52:52,959 --> 02:52:56,399
it just crunches together on that like
slow four four beat. They made me

2617
02:52:56,440 --> 02:53:00,159
think about Antichristes Machine at that moment
in terms of like how explosive just of

2618
02:53:00,159 --> 02:53:03,040
this crack of the po is,
but at like a fraction of the tempo,

2619
02:53:03,280 --> 02:53:09,120
Like it's so harsh, it's you
know, the guitar tone is how

2620
02:53:09,159 --> 02:53:13,520
I want death metal guitar to sound, just like dripping in malice and darkness,

2621
02:53:13,639 --> 02:53:18,040
just this rumble that sounds like your
sinus is getting infected. And then

2622
02:53:18,239 --> 02:53:22,920
right it does turn into pisk Grave
because that vocal moment happens and I was

2623
02:53:22,920 --> 02:53:26,639
like, what the what is this
pisk grave vibe? I'm getting it's Tim

2624
02:53:26,639 --> 02:53:28,440
Mellon doing a guest vocal on it, because of course it is wonder yet

2625
02:53:28,479 --> 02:53:31,959
and no one else could sound like
that, and again, I'm probably sure

2626
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:35,799
you feel similarly. It's been about
five years since the last piss Grave album

2627
02:53:35,840 --> 02:53:37,399
now, and so hearing a new
death metal song with him on it was

2628
02:53:37,440 --> 02:53:43,000
a really nice surprise. And his
vocal style, outside of like the overwhelming

2629
02:53:43,040 --> 02:53:48,639
production approach of pisk Grave insane now
it slots into this and it uses the

2630
02:53:48,680 --> 02:53:52,000
space more to become this kind of
like hellish demon lurking in that sound.

2631
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:56,559
It's like one of the most insane
vocal moments on any record this year,

2632
02:53:56,600 --> 02:54:00,719
I guarantee it. It's like one
of those it's almost a years behind you

2633
02:54:01,079 --> 02:54:03,360
and says something that makes you jump, But I always expecting him to come

2634
02:54:03,360 --> 02:54:09,159
in, and I'm just I'm adjusted
to spectral voices sound by this point.

2635
02:54:09,639 --> 02:54:13,079
And then when he comes in like
a guttle a whisper over your shoulder,

2636
02:54:13,440 --> 02:54:16,120
I just felt like the hairs on
the back of my next start. I

2637
02:54:16,120 --> 02:54:18,840
didn't even know it was him,
But now that you're saying it, it

2638
02:54:18,879 --> 02:54:24,440
makes us because that was the reference
that meally came to mind, and this

2639
02:54:24,600 --> 02:54:28,040
song is I mean, I could
pick any of them to be my favorite,

2640
02:54:28,079 --> 02:54:33,319
to be honest, but the way
this changes tempo is again more so

2641
02:54:33,360 --> 02:54:37,680
than any of the others, Like
how do you write this because it changes

2642
02:54:37,719 --> 02:54:41,799
tempo, but not in this exciting
runaway train way where it's loads of dips

2643
02:54:41,799 --> 02:54:43,959
and dives. They were gonna have
a beat down and then it's gonna go

2644
02:54:43,079 --> 02:54:48,239
really fast in a thrash break.
It's like it's kind of rising into life

2645
02:54:48,719 --> 02:54:52,239
and then collapsing and then coming back
to life, and then collapsing again and

2646
02:54:52,280 --> 02:54:54,719
then rotting and then coming back to
life. It's not sort of dancing for

2647
02:54:54,760 --> 02:55:01,319
your attention it, but it's impossible
to not be taken in by it.

2648
02:55:01,159 --> 02:55:05,760
Yeah, this is nightmare death metal, one of the heaviest records of the

2649
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:07,959
year. Not for the faint heart, but I admire spectral voice a lot

2650
02:55:09,040 --> 02:55:13,120
for kind of like this is like
as explorative of the far reaches of what

2651
02:55:13,159 --> 02:55:16,479
death metal can be used for as
an art form as say that two old

2652
02:55:16,559 --> 02:55:18,399
record from last year. It's just
that's a lot more kind of colorful and

2653
02:55:18,559 --> 02:55:22,440
expressive. But yeah, this is
no less spiritual. It's just kind of

2654
02:55:22,479 --> 02:55:28,239
like tuning that to like the fucking
blackest it can go, and I love

2655
02:55:28,280 --> 02:55:31,479
it. It's called Sparagmos, which
I believe is a term for the ritual

2656
02:55:31,520 --> 02:55:35,440
dismemberment or tearing apart of someone.
So that's that's the vibe. Baby.

2657
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:41,559
Next up, keeping it scummy,
We have got our underground black metal record

2658
02:55:41,680 --> 02:55:45,280
or of the month. It comes
from Holder. The record is called Verses

2659
02:55:45,319 --> 02:55:48,440
in Oath Holder. Maybe we're overdue
talking about this one in the shower.

2660
02:55:48,440 --> 02:55:50,079
I'm not sure, but this is
one of the acts next to you,

2661
02:55:50,200 --> 02:55:54,920
perhaps Lamp of Murma that if you
are someone with their ear to the ground,

2662
02:55:54,120 --> 02:55:58,920
who are the current, like really
buzz acts in like you know,

2663
02:55:58,120 --> 02:56:01,760
actually underground black metal, they would
be very quick to come to their lips.

2664
02:56:03,040 --> 02:56:05,920
It is a primarily one woman black
metal project. She has originally Belgian,

2665
02:56:05,959 --> 02:56:09,120
but the band is now based in
the US. I came across her

2666
02:56:09,239 --> 02:56:15,000
when her kind of like first album
and earlier demos and stuff. There was

2667
02:56:15,079 --> 02:56:20,719
quite a striking asthetic of this woman
in like full medieval garb taking photos with

2668
02:56:20,799 --> 02:56:24,559
swords and her guitars in the woods. If you have my stupid brain,

2669
02:56:24,639 --> 02:56:26,920
you then want to know who that
person is. But you know, that

2670
02:56:28,040 --> 02:56:31,239
album and then subsequent EP got quite
a lot of praise in the black metal

2671
02:56:31,319 --> 02:56:37,200
world. They saw her signing to
probably the most generally seen as on form

2672
02:56:37,319 --> 02:56:39,479
record label in the underground right now, which is twenty Bucks Spin, and

2673
02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:45,280
so we now have a second bigger
studio album. She's also headlining this year's

2674
02:56:45,319 --> 02:56:48,399
Decibel Tour on a bill that includes
Devil Master and Worm. A bit weird

2675
02:56:48,440 --> 02:56:52,319
in itself because the Decibel Tour is
normally much bigger than it is this year,

2676
02:56:52,360 --> 02:56:56,440
Like you will normally expected like a
cannibal corpse or a Catady capitation or

2677
02:56:56,440 --> 02:56:58,600
someone on there, but this time
they've downscaled it and they've gone for like

2678
02:56:58,760 --> 02:57:03,440
real underground acts and much smaller venues, which I guess that particular experiment,

2679
02:57:03,680 --> 02:57:07,239
you know, Holder as the band
they've got kind of leading the charge,

2680
02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:11,600
I guess says something about her current
position in the underground. I think maybe

2681
02:57:11,639 --> 02:57:15,399
the reason I haven't brought up Holder
too heavily on the show before is there

2682
02:57:15,479 --> 02:57:18,239
is a bit less of a spin
on this kind of music then, like

2683
02:57:18,399 --> 02:57:22,600
band who I've made a really like
an effort champion, like Lamp of Murmur

2684
02:57:22,680 --> 02:57:26,719
or Devil Master for example, really
have like their fucking slant. This is

2685
02:57:26,159 --> 02:57:31,920
a like a twenty first century channeling
of very fundamental tenets of nineties black metal,

2686
02:57:33,159 --> 02:57:37,319
you know, listening before going in
really whether that thing appeals to you

2687
02:57:37,440 --> 02:57:41,319
or not. But putting this record
on, I was struck by Fuck me,

2688
02:57:41,799 --> 02:57:46,159
that is a particularly ferocious version of
that thing, and I think it's

2689
02:57:46,399 --> 02:57:50,520
one of an example of one of
the more popular things in underground metal at

2690
02:57:50,520 --> 02:57:52,959
the moment. It's worth checking in
on. But for me, like I

2691
02:57:52,959 --> 02:57:56,040
had quite you know, fairly passively
enjoyed Holder's work up to this point,

2692
02:57:56,079 --> 02:58:01,040
but this record I have had,
you know, whirling around my head for

2693
02:58:01,079 --> 02:58:03,920
a couple of weeks. Now I
think it's great. You know, when

2694
02:58:05,000 --> 02:58:09,360
like we've discussed off certain hardcore records
and you've got like it's hardcore record,

2695
02:58:09,479 --> 02:58:13,920
it's kind of this is that For
me, I listened to go this is

2696
02:58:13,920 --> 02:58:18,040
an Atmosphere black metal record. I
have so little that really I can I

2697
02:58:18,040 --> 02:58:22,680
can say about this again. I
don't think this is necessarily bad, but

2698
02:58:22,239 --> 02:58:26,239
I was just like, yep,
that's you know, the stuff I expect

2699
02:58:26,280 --> 02:58:31,719
to hear from Atmosphere black Male that
you made me listen to. It's fine,

2700
02:58:31,920 --> 02:58:33,680
but this is the one. This
is the one record this this month

2701
02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:39,200
that I've really I didn't I nothing
hooked me even like I say, like

2702
02:58:39,600 --> 02:58:43,680
Special Voice had that like really just
suppressive dnswers, like John Cowboy had like

2703
02:58:43,680 --> 02:58:48,000
the crazy technical stuff, ish ant
mental. This was the one where I

2704
02:58:48,079 --> 02:58:50,559
was kind of like, it's doing
its thing, It's doing it to our

2705
02:58:50,639 --> 02:58:54,719
high standard, I'm sure, and
it is. It is quite ferocious,

2706
02:58:54,840 --> 02:58:58,719
but it never grabbed me and stood
out to me. Yeah, fair enough.

2707
02:58:58,680 --> 02:59:01,600
I expected Spectral Voice to be the
record that we'd have trouble on this

2708
02:59:01,639 --> 02:59:05,760
time. But I think you know, you've used the word there, which

2709
02:59:05,760 --> 02:59:07,440
is atmospheric black metal, which yes, it is atmospheric. I think this

2710
02:59:07,479 --> 02:59:13,680
record is a lot more brutal and
a lot more like raging like than I

2711
02:59:13,680 --> 02:59:16,639
think what some people might think of
in that regard. And I think,

2712
02:59:16,680 --> 02:59:20,760
you know, Spectral Voice is one
of the heaviest josph Cowboy, the most

2713
02:59:20,799 --> 02:59:24,920
sort of technical nudely, I think
this might be one of the grimmest records

2714
02:59:24,040 --> 02:59:28,680
we review this year. It starts
with a crow choring like we're right there

2715
02:59:28,680 --> 02:59:33,559
in blash it she plays a kind
of self described kind of dark medieval black

2716
02:59:33,600 --> 02:59:35,440
metal, which is you know,
very natury, very boast in folklore.

2717
02:59:35,559 --> 02:59:39,040
There's a lot of the medieval leaning
of kind of early satiric con but mixed

2718
02:59:39,040 --> 02:59:45,559
in with the kind of barbarity of
Dark Throne Elliott. If Sam listens to

2719
02:59:45,559 --> 02:59:48,239
this one and goes, oh,
that's not for me, those reference points

2720
02:59:48,239 --> 02:59:50,760
I've just mentioned maybe are a little
more you Are you with me on enjoying

2721
02:59:50,799 --> 02:59:56,639
this Holder record? I am somewhere
between the two of you, okay,

2722
02:59:56,680 --> 03:00:01,520
because I really like the last record, and you know, it's not revolutionizing

2723
03:00:01,559 --> 03:00:05,280
anything. It's just trying to evoke
that ninety sound, and a lot of

2724
03:00:05,319 --> 03:00:07,399
bands get close to that, but
I think Holder really nail it. They

2725
03:00:07,440 --> 03:00:13,600
seems to have a really good understanding
of what makes that sound tick, and

2726
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:16,680
everything about that record felt vintage,
and I think black Meilt is at its

2727
03:00:16,680 --> 03:00:18,920
most exciting when it feels like it
comes from another kind of time and place.

2728
03:00:20,040 --> 03:00:22,079
And you know, luckily for me, like all those nineties records are

2729
03:00:22,079 --> 03:00:26,600
from another time and place. But
even at the time, I imagine something

2730
03:00:26,719 --> 03:00:30,000
like, you know, a dark
medieval times when the night side of Clips

2731
03:00:30,040 --> 03:00:33,600
feels otherworldly, and you know that
is not a modern classic. But I

2732
03:00:33,680 --> 03:00:39,280
really enjoyed it and had a lot
of potential. I think this record is

2733
03:00:39,360 --> 03:00:43,680
very good, but I have a
couple of quibbles with it that might be

2734
03:00:43,760 --> 03:00:48,879
very particular to me that what I
just said. So last summer when we

2735
03:00:48,000 --> 03:00:52,120
reviewed that Son's Journey through the Night
record, and that was a band that

2736
03:00:54,120 --> 03:00:58,639
prior to that record, I they've
released stuff the I absolutely loved and with

2737
03:00:58,760 --> 03:01:03,680
that record, And this is a
totally subjective thing, and some people are

2738
03:01:03,680 --> 03:01:07,399
going to listen to this and thing, I'm mental that record was kind of

2739
03:01:07,399 --> 03:01:13,840
too clean and precise, the fidelity
was too much. This record feels like

2740
03:01:13,920 --> 03:01:20,000
a slightly more kind of polished and
honed thing, which I can totally see

2741
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:24,719
why people see that as a step
forward. For me, it slightly plays

2742
03:01:24,719 --> 03:01:28,360
against my tastes, so I don't
like it quite as much as the last

2743
03:01:28,360 --> 03:01:33,280
one. But again, like Sam
said, as a black metal record,

2744
03:01:33,159 --> 03:01:37,559
it's referencing loads of stuff that I
like. You say, it's a tyracon

2745
03:01:37,319 --> 03:01:41,520
dark throne, even some summoning in
there. Maybe that's the more atmospheric bent

2746
03:01:41,559 --> 03:01:46,639
to it. So yeah, I
think this record is very good. I'm

2747
03:01:46,680 --> 03:01:50,840
not quite in that zone of thinking
this is great, Okay, it's literally

2748
03:01:52,040 --> 03:01:54,719
for me, this is it's almost
like she's made I really liked hold her,

2749
03:01:54,920 --> 03:01:58,120
and then with this the changes that
are made are always what's kind of

2750
03:01:58,159 --> 03:02:01,120
like unlocked, it entering like really
great territory for me, and I think,

2751
03:02:01,159 --> 03:02:03,159
you know, clean is not the
word I would you for me.

2752
03:02:03,280 --> 03:02:11,000
It's ramped up the intensity of the
production where it's really aggressive and borderline death

2753
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:13,879
metal in terms of how violent and
heavy it is, where for me,

2754
03:02:15,000 --> 03:02:18,600
it's like kind of mid nineties immortal
like Battles in the North when they started

2755
03:02:18,639 --> 03:02:22,360
to sound like really harsh and caustic, but in with like nasty, destructive

2756
03:02:22,399 --> 03:02:28,079
death metal, and purely the sound
on this record I find so satisfying.

2757
03:02:28,159 --> 03:02:31,000
It's like nineties black metal but beefed
up and carved up with a chainsaw,

2758
03:02:31,319 --> 03:02:37,959
and it has that kind of you
know, it's like a medieval atmosphere but

2759
03:02:37,040 --> 03:02:41,479
really fucking violent. And that's a
mixture of two things there that are really

2760
03:02:41,559 --> 03:02:46,920
working for me in terms of the
combination. Like they use synth elements that

2761
03:02:46,920 --> 03:02:50,239
you would kind of expect, but
it doesn't you know, if you are

2762
03:02:50,239 --> 03:02:54,360
someone who doesn't like Cradle of Filth
or Demi Borgear or whatever because you think

2763
03:02:54,399 --> 03:02:56,799
the anthism keyboard is like too cheesy
or whatever, this never leans in that

2764
03:02:56,840 --> 03:03:01,000
direction. It just goes you know, I am certainly of the like,

2765
03:03:01,079 --> 03:03:05,639
give me all the overblown medieval castle
vibes in my black metal that I can

2766
03:03:05,680 --> 03:03:09,000
get, But when the two collide
in terms of like how just explosive it

2767
03:03:09,079 --> 03:03:13,120
is, hark In the End has
got this really beautiful epic piano melody that's

2768
03:03:13,159 --> 03:03:15,319
kind of the lead on it that's
been stuck in my head for two weeks,

2769
03:03:15,360 --> 03:03:18,280
Like legit, like that kind of
do do do do do do do

2770
03:03:18,280 --> 03:03:22,200
do do do do, But like
the guitar is so like thick and crushing

2771
03:03:22,479 --> 03:03:26,120
alongside that, and I think it's
a really wonderful sound. Hark and the

2772
03:03:26,239 --> 03:03:28,159
End is one of the ones where
I can kind of see what they're going

2773
03:03:28,200 --> 03:03:33,639
for. But that's where the keys
where that that it sounds a touch cheap,

2774
03:03:33,680 --> 03:03:35,920
and I guess that's part of,
you know, some of this black

2775
03:03:35,959 --> 03:03:37,799
metal stuff where it can be something
that's maybe the style of it. But

2776
03:03:37,840 --> 03:03:43,520
that song feels like it should be
a bit grand of all those elements.

2777
03:03:43,959 --> 03:03:46,280
But like though those in these you
know, add some kind of color to

2778
03:03:46,319 --> 03:03:50,799
the track, which I think is
all right. Actually I love the cheap

2779
03:03:50,840 --> 03:03:54,520
SyncE sound. I actually prefer that. I mean, I know it's probably

2780
03:03:54,520 --> 03:03:58,440
a stylistic choice to have that,
but to be out of it a little

2781
03:03:58,440 --> 03:04:03,000
bit. Yeah, But on that
song, like you said, there's that

2782
03:04:03,040 --> 03:04:05,799
sort of cheap element to it,
but it kind of reminds me of some

2783
03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:11,159
of the stuff Enslaved were doing in
the two thousands or even the early twenty

2784
03:04:11,200 --> 03:04:15,079
tens. That's the kind of clean
vocals on it so reminds me of axiom

2785
03:04:15,159 --> 03:04:20,079
Ethico o'dini, which is my favorite
Enslave record. I think it juxtaposed against

2786
03:04:20,120 --> 03:04:24,959
that rumbling, beefy black metal,
it sounds great. And on Bowser Blaze,

2787
03:04:24,200 --> 03:04:30,680
which again is another one of my
highlight songs on it, the sinse

2788
03:04:30,680 --> 03:04:35,680
are just such a cool juxtaposition to
that, that kind of Viking rowboat swing.

2789
03:04:35,000 --> 03:04:39,399
That to have something so it's delicate. The word I don't know how

2790
03:04:39,440 --> 03:04:41,479
you explain it, because I know
what you mean. Where it's not.

2791
03:04:43,000 --> 03:04:46,239
It's kind of less evocative because you
can tell it's cheap, but it's evocative

2792
03:04:46,399 --> 03:04:50,799
of stuff like summoning. I think
for me, the really like fucking beefed

2793
03:04:50,879 --> 03:04:54,280
up violent guitars, I never had
that like this never gave me that like

2794
03:04:54,360 --> 03:04:58,799
arcassio keyboard type thing, because the
overall sound is so thick and oppressive.

2795
03:04:58,920 --> 03:05:00,479
You know, it's like it becomes
part and I think, you know,

2796
03:05:00,559 --> 03:05:03,360
something like the title track where it
works the best for me, that's my

2797
03:05:03,399 --> 03:05:07,879
favorite song here. Something is really
fiery, that sounds incredible. It's just

2798
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:09,799
thundered. It's so stormy and viscera, and that for me has that thing

2799
03:05:09,840 --> 03:05:13,399
of like, you know, yeah, the keyboards and Old Emperor were cheap,

2800
03:05:13,520 --> 03:05:16,840
but they added into that overall like
just kind of a rush of like

2801
03:05:16,879 --> 03:05:20,639
holy shit, and that's kind of
what happens here. And the just the

2802
03:05:20,719 --> 03:05:26,239
triumphant quality in like Tremolo black metal
riffs. You know, we spoke about

2803
03:05:26,239 --> 03:05:28,360
stuff like Vehemonts and stuff like that
has kind of like real like victorious on

2804
03:05:28,399 --> 03:05:31,680
the battlefield type feel, and like
the second half of Park and the end

2805
03:05:31,719 --> 03:05:35,280
has a lot of that in there. But there's a couple songs as well,

2806
03:05:35,319 --> 03:05:39,920
which I know where I maybe wonder
whether this might appeal to you is

2807
03:05:39,760 --> 03:05:43,840
the couple of songs that are just
so low and evil, like the death

2808
03:05:43,840 --> 03:05:48,879
metal quality is what genuinely took me
aback. Vessel of Suffering is one so

2809
03:05:48,040 --> 03:05:52,120
heavy and it's like it's laid over
with those keys and sense to kind of

2810
03:05:52,159 --> 03:05:56,399
give it that kind of embellishment,
but it's just like so hard and enchanted.

2811
03:05:56,440 --> 03:06:01,079
Steel is like dead congregation levels are
brutal, just like an absolutely fucking

2812
03:06:01,520 --> 03:06:05,399
demolishment, and particularly that the vocals
as well have kind of changed in the

2813
03:06:05,440 --> 03:06:09,399
same way where they've gotten lower and
more bestial, and they just really like

2814
03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:11,879
they stand out in the mix,
which can be a difficult thing to do,

2815
03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:15,639
but they're really feral and animalistic.
Yeah, I mean, you know,

2816
03:06:15,639 --> 03:06:16,680
it's all down to taste. I
guess you know how these things kind

2817
03:06:16,680 --> 03:06:20,360
of hit you. But I think
for me this has one of the best

2818
03:06:20,520 --> 03:06:24,159
sounds of a black metal record in
recent memory because it doesn't feel cleaned up

2819
03:06:24,200 --> 03:06:26,399
at all. It's fierce and raw, like this black metal should do.

2820
03:06:26,639 --> 03:06:31,479
But it's using kind of twenty first
century mixes and so on to achieve that

2821
03:06:31,559 --> 03:06:35,120
like thickness and that violence as opposed
to just going for like a straight out

2822
03:06:35,159 --> 03:06:41,600
in nineteen ninety four production sound.
Yeah, I think there's moments where I

2823
03:06:41,719 --> 03:06:45,200
might my quibbles with the production,
but there's there are definitely moments where the

2824
03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:48,239
album is better for it, Like
maybe my favorite song was cast into the

2825
03:06:48,239 --> 03:06:56,440
Well of Remembrance, which those layered
vocals are really demonic and again something that

2826
03:06:56,440 --> 03:07:01,920
the really cashio keyboard stuff wouldn't be
able to implement. And having these kind

2827
03:07:01,959 --> 03:07:07,760
of muscular, beefed up riffs and
then putting that on it, it's all

2828
03:07:07,760 --> 03:07:11,040
the more intense, I think.
And then one of my favorite moments is

2829
03:07:11,600 --> 03:07:18,319
lamentation, which sits somewhere between and
insaluting a full song and that's lifted straight

2830
03:07:18,360 --> 03:07:20,799
off of it sounds like it could
be on a current ninety three record,

2831
03:07:22,120 --> 03:07:28,799
which is among the most disconcerting haunting
music I think I've ever heard like that

2832
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:35,479
band, and just taking that flavor
and putting on it it's so inventive and

2833
03:07:35,559 --> 03:07:39,920
so great, like really haunting stuff
and just adds another dimension to it.

2834
03:07:41,000 --> 03:07:46,920
So there's definitely moments where I can
hear what you're saying about, like it's

2835
03:07:46,959 --> 03:07:50,360
not a big budget black mel record, but just having that kind of flexibility

2836
03:07:50,440 --> 03:07:54,520
in the sort of sounds they can
play with the end in a way that

2837
03:07:54,600 --> 03:07:56,680
like, yeah, some people might
be turned off on black met that doesn't

2838
03:07:56,680 --> 03:08:01,520
really have that low end. Yeah, you know, there's seven like actual

2839
03:08:01,559 --> 03:08:05,399
songs on this. Every one of
those seven I found really gripping, and

2840
03:08:05,440 --> 03:08:07,559
you know, I'm a sucker for
that big, just epic blizzard feel,

2841
03:08:07,840 --> 03:08:11,680
and like the last three tracks just
gets so sounds at the end of it.

2842
03:08:11,000 --> 03:08:13,920
Yeah, in the last three tracks
get so nasty and heavy with the

2843
03:08:15,000 --> 03:08:18,479
riffing. You know, it speaks
to my rotten cork painted heart. I

2844
03:08:18,479 --> 03:08:20,000
think if you liked, you know, the Dawn Raid album that we prose

2845
03:08:20,040 --> 03:08:22,959
so much of this this year.
They're not similar in content, but they

2846
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:28,159
have these sort of like quite simplistic, legible black metal riffs with a folk

2847
03:08:28,200 --> 03:08:31,200
emphasis in the melodies. This is
another good step into black metal that is

2848
03:08:31,239 --> 03:08:37,639
heavier and more demonic than that.
It's like a really just battlready armor clad

2849
03:08:37,159 --> 03:08:41,479
record. It feels like it's in
case in about six layers of spikes and

2850
03:08:41,959 --> 03:08:43,920
chain mail. I think the track
was really really good, like really fucking

2851
03:08:43,920 --> 03:08:46,319
good. I think it's it's easily
the best thing she's done to date for

2852
03:08:46,719 --> 03:08:50,600
me, beginning to really sort of
live up to the hype that kind of

2853
03:08:50,920 --> 03:08:54,479
is around her in the underground and
you know, this month in general,

2854
03:08:54,520 --> 03:08:58,319
obviously we've been talking about fair few
of them really delivered on like properly kickstarting

2855
03:08:58,360 --> 03:09:01,200
the great stuff in like extreme music, which is why we've got a lot

2856
03:09:01,239 --> 03:09:05,319
of it this particular time. If
you are an American, see if that

2857
03:09:05,360 --> 03:09:07,879
Decibel tours coming near you, it's
starting like this week. These and Devil

2858
03:09:07,879 --> 03:09:11,760
Master. That's a wicked combo.
Also, the bassist on this, who

2859
03:09:11,799 --> 03:09:16,559
is married to Holder, is Buzz
Osborne's nephew. Some Seattle, Washington facts

2860
03:09:16,559 --> 03:09:20,000
for you. Okay As said that
was a fair bit of extreme metally type

2861
03:09:20,000 --> 03:09:24,440
stuff, because there's a lot of
like noteworthy stuff this time. But last

2862
03:09:24,479 --> 03:09:28,479
album, we're leaving all that behind. We're going for the rest of you

2863
03:09:28,520 --> 03:09:31,120
guys who don't want any to do
with that. What you want is the

2864
03:09:31,159 --> 03:09:35,200
new album from Slope. It's is
it called Slope, No, it's not

2865
03:09:35,319 --> 03:09:41,760
called Yes. It is a fix
of hardcore, but maybe kind of not

2866
03:09:41,920 --> 03:09:46,600
in some ways. I remember this
band. They played the first outbreak I

2867
03:09:46,639 --> 03:09:50,719
went to in twenty eighteen. I
don't even remember if I saw them or

2868
03:09:50,760 --> 03:09:54,399
not, but I remember them being
around. My memory might be betraying me.

2869
03:09:54,479 --> 03:10:00,959
I don't remember them sounding quite like
this again. This is this one.

2870
03:10:01,000 --> 03:10:03,799
I'd heard the name before, but
I've never really gone in and I

2871
03:10:03,879 --> 03:10:07,520
kind of when they're like the old
rock cleaning kind of hardcore adjacent band,

2872
03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:15,399
Like, I mean, like the
lazy way to sum up this album is

2873
03:10:15,600 --> 03:10:20,319
do you like non stop feeling by
Turnstile and particularly non stop feeling like like,

2874
03:10:20,639 --> 03:10:22,479
because I've seen a lot of people
have thrown like turns on comparison to

2875
03:10:22,559 --> 03:10:26,520
this band, I'm like, sort
of, but it's only that one album

2876
03:10:26,559 --> 03:10:31,680
because turn like, because this is
funk hardcore, isn't it. Yeah,

2877
03:10:31,840 --> 03:10:35,559
there's a major fucking I could see
the turns like comparison and it would not

2878
03:10:35,600 --> 03:10:39,719
be misplaced. But to say there's
a major elements being missed there because the

2879
03:10:41,079 --> 03:10:43,239
worst stuff Again, what you just
kind of expressed about the Wholder record,

2880
03:10:43,239 --> 03:10:46,360
which again I don't agree with,
but that it's your right to say that

2881
03:10:46,079 --> 03:10:50,200
the worst stuff to review for me
when we're talking about kind of hardcore or

2882
03:10:50,239 --> 03:10:54,239
like alternative or whatever, is the
stuff that's basic and sounds interchangeable, right,

2883
03:10:54,520 --> 03:10:56,120
and that that that is a little
bit of what I've got hold of

2884
03:10:56,120 --> 03:10:58,959
the record. Even if you don't
agree, I completely see where you're coming

2885
03:10:58,959 --> 03:11:03,200
from with those hardcore bands, This
right is not interchangeable. And like,

2886
03:11:03,440 --> 03:11:07,319
if we didn't review this, it
would be missing an opportunity to talk about

2887
03:11:07,360 --> 03:11:11,719
something that sounds like this because Slope
are I believe German if you can believe

2888
03:11:11,719 --> 03:11:18,040
it from how this sounds bad that
made me laugh so much. Were German?

2889
03:11:18,120 --> 03:11:22,479
I was, like so many find
out lou Bager's German. They obviously

2890
03:11:22,520 --> 03:11:26,399
they come from the school of hardcore
that has obviously been peppered with the impact

2891
03:11:26,479 --> 03:11:28,799
of bands like Turnstile, you know, taking influence from other forms of alternative

2892
03:11:28,879 --> 03:11:33,399
music. But what Slope have done
is bring something that I haven't heard quite

2893
03:11:33,399 --> 03:11:39,079
this blatantly in god knows how long
this is funk metal to a degree,

2894
03:11:39,520 --> 03:11:43,559
Like I thought this would be an
interesting experiment in terms of like, you

2895
03:11:43,559 --> 03:11:46,840
know, when we talk about the
Red Hot Chili Peppers, usually it's derogatory,

2896
03:11:46,959 --> 03:11:50,760
but at least some of us agree
that there are times in their history

2897
03:11:52,040 --> 03:11:54,639
when they have been exceedingly good at
what they do, Like it was really

2898
03:11:54,719 --> 03:11:56,399
nice when we did that album Relect
with James from Hell Ripper talk about Blood

2899
03:11:56,399 --> 03:11:58,479
Sugar Sex Magic. When we're like, oh yeah, that is a good

2900
03:11:58,520 --> 03:12:03,319
album, This can hit a spot. The experiment here is can a newer

2901
03:12:03,360 --> 03:12:09,479
band from the hardcore realm taking such
obvious direct influence from the Chili Peppers,

2902
03:12:09,520 --> 03:12:15,520
Like what side of Lame will It
Land. I was so taken aback when

2903
03:12:15,559 --> 03:12:16,719
I heard this on. I was
like, this is not the combination of

2904
03:12:16,799 --> 03:12:20,040
albums I was expecting. I mean, I think I was one over almost

2905
03:12:20,040 --> 03:12:24,799
immediately with this Slope Gang like that
shot. I was like, I was

2906
03:12:24,840 --> 03:12:26,479
like, yeah, cool, okay, you're doing that thing. But the

2907
03:12:26,479 --> 03:12:30,239
thing is is like chili Peppers are
an obvious one, but I don't think

2908
03:12:30,280 --> 03:12:33,760
it's just chili Peppers in the hardcore. I think there's Beastie Boys. Yeah,

2909
03:12:33,799 --> 03:12:37,079
there is some of the weird like
Mister Bungle and Faith No More kind

2910
03:12:37,079 --> 03:12:41,639
of elements, and it is it
is that whole which again just does condroup

2911
03:12:41,719 --> 03:12:46,639
like particular moments of Turnstile before they
really blew up and became the big deal

2912
03:12:46,680 --> 03:12:50,879
where they had a bit more fun
to them. But this is like had

2913
03:12:50,920 --> 03:12:54,639
like a little bit of funk in
the hardcore. This is oh, we

2914
03:12:54,719 --> 03:13:01,399
are slapping all the funk over this. It is silly at times, but

2915
03:13:01,680 --> 03:13:03,719
man, did I just have so
much fun with this album. Yeah,

2916
03:13:05,280 --> 03:13:09,520
it's definitely a little daft, but
it's maybe as fun a like funk rock

2917
03:13:09,680 --> 03:13:13,799
integration into contemporary hardcore that we've heard. Not there's been that many, but

2918
03:13:13,879 --> 03:13:18,079
like, is this maybe the best
Red Hot Chili Pepper's album in twenty five

2919
03:13:18,200 --> 03:13:20,079
years? Like, I don't know, it might be. I think that

2920
03:13:20,239 --> 03:13:22,760
is an argument for it. I
mean it's got hurts that again, like

2921
03:13:22,840 --> 03:13:26,719
you you could see don't make it
mad, don't make it mad, like

2922
03:13:28,319 --> 03:13:31,559
you can hear Chili Peppers doing that
sort of stuff and getting Cooper in it

2923
03:13:31,639 --> 03:13:35,000
and that but with a bit more
of like a hardcore gang vocal thing just

2924
03:13:35,040 --> 03:13:37,799
maybe makes it a bit more like
something I can really have fun with.

2925
03:13:39,159 --> 03:13:43,239
Funk is such a volatile ingredient,
Like once it's in something, it's impossible

2926
03:13:43,280 --> 03:13:46,959
not to notice. So like that, like non stop feeling, Funk's a

2927
03:13:48,040 --> 03:13:52,840
flavor, but it's not that far
in the mix, and yet it feels

2928
03:13:52,840 --> 03:13:56,920
like it kind of dominates the way
that record moves. It just feels like

2929
03:13:56,000 --> 03:14:01,399
funk. And when it's done well, it's brilliant. And when it's done

2930
03:14:01,399 --> 03:14:05,319
badly, again, like I said, you can get the full range in

2931
03:14:05,360 --> 03:14:07,399
the Red On Chili Peppers, because
for me, my favorite record of theirs

2932
03:14:07,520 --> 03:14:11,959
is the Uplift Mofo Party Plan by
quite some distance, and that is almost

2933
03:14:13,000 --> 03:14:18,840
too funky. But when Funk being
implemented is bad it like you said,

2934
03:14:18,879 --> 03:14:22,680
it's just it can fall so far
into lamee. I had such a good

2935
03:14:22,719 --> 03:14:26,559
time with this record, and I
like it even more now that I know

2936
03:14:26,600 --> 03:14:33,079
that they're German. It's just it's
kind of mad enough. Like like you

2937
03:14:33,120 --> 03:14:35,479
said, it's not a turnstile.
Have a bit of that kind of funk

2938
03:14:35,559 --> 03:14:39,559
smooth flavor, but it's not a
particularly popular thing. This funk sound and

2939
03:14:39,680 --> 03:14:46,239
just the balls to go too footed
into it. Yeah, it's not like

2940
03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:50,040
there's a bit of slap base over
there. It's like it's full like a

2941
03:14:50,079 --> 03:14:58,440
tribe coal quest are like the hardcore
guitar riffs, Yeah, like there are

2942
03:14:58,639 --> 03:15:01,719
similar rifts that we've heard in recent
years. I can't remember hearing a band

2943
03:15:01,879 --> 03:15:07,000
in this realm doing the film.
Do do you kind of like the way

2944
03:15:07,840 --> 03:15:11,559
the funk like clean guitar riff in
Talk Big lights up? I just can't

2945
03:15:11,600 --> 03:15:16,440
help but smile. It's like more
out and out funk guitar and big fat

2946
03:15:16,479 --> 03:15:18,079
bass lines that we have reviewed,
you know, for a record on this

2947
03:15:18,159 --> 03:15:22,479
show in years, Like the bass
line in Chasing High's just becoming full fucking

2948
03:15:22,760 --> 03:15:28,959
so elastic, like full toejamm and
Earl. Yeah, the rhythm section,

2949
03:15:30,399 --> 03:15:33,360
like matching the bounce of hardcore with
the bounce of funk. The funny thing

2950
03:15:33,440 --> 03:15:37,879
is is like it's not the drums
an'swer much that kind of like Chad Smith

2951
03:15:39,000 --> 03:15:41,840
style kind of ghost notes whatever.
It's like hardcore smacking the whole time,

2952
03:15:43,680 --> 03:15:48,440
like clean, funky guitar riffs.
I think that's it is it is.

2953
03:15:48,559 --> 03:15:52,959
There's a constant fusion of the funk
and the hardcore like it like they've always

2954
03:15:52,040 --> 03:15:56,280
kind of playing out each other and
it just makes it actually like quite a

2955
03:15:56,360 --> 03:16:01,159
dynamic record, even if it is
always on those funk guitars at times,

2956
03:16:01,520 --> 03:16:03,639
it never feels like it losing stuff
too much that because there's always that punk

2957
03:16:05,200 --> 03:16:09,760
kind of slam to it. Yeah, And I for me, funky bassed

2958
03:16:09,760 --> 03:16:13,799
stuff lives and dies on the rhythm
section, Like you can't really have a

2959
03:16:13,840 --> 03:16:18,440
good funk band or a good funk
song with our great bass lines and a

2960
03:16:18,479 --> 03:16:24,239
great drummer. And they I think
they steal the show on this record.

2961
03:16:24,239 --> 03:16:28,239
There's so many standout moments from those
two players. Out of the Black Blue

2962
03:16:28,280 --> 03:16:33,760
and into the black sounds, like
Dave Lombardo playing on Primus's kit and the

2963
03:16:33,760 --> 03:16:37,959
title track. The groove on it, it's a bit it's kind of like

2964
03:16:37,079 --> 03:16:43,559
Helmet with that bass, but the
drums are just like pure fishbone nosedive,

2965
03:16:43,879 --> 03:16:48,159
open sounding like life is peachy.
But the lead guitar that comes in after

2966
03:16:48,159 --> 03:16:52,600
it's so soft it sounds like wings
or something. It's just it's it's weird.

2967
03:16:52,600 --> 03:16:56,079
It's not like it's a hardcore record
that plays with funk. It is

2968
03:16:56,120 --> 03:17:03,879
like a funk rock record that's played
with so much aggression and exuberance it falls

2969
03:17:03,879 --> 03:17:07,600
into hardcore. Yeah, I think
you know, the vocals are like maybe

2970
03:17:07,600 --> 03:17:11,040
a potential sticking point if you are
like not susceptible for this kind of thing.

2971
03:17:11,200 --> 03:17:13,319
He's doing this kind of like well, I think there's two of them,

2972
03:17:13,360 --> 03:17:15,920
the vocalists, all right, Well
the main one he's more prominent is

2973
03:17:15,959 --> 03:17:20,040
he's doing this kind of like semi
wrapped kedis sort of cadence, but with

2974
03:17:20,239 --> 03:17:24,719
like a yelpier hardcore voice. Those
vocal flows can be so entertaining the chorus

2975
03:17:24,719 --> 03:17:31,559
in times ticking it's tricky like if
they're doing that, like but again,

2976
03:17:31,559 --> 03:17:33,719
like that's why I get that kind
of Beastie boys thing from that. With

2977
03:17:33,799 --> 03:17:39,559
that just the exuberant, fun,
silly rapping through a punk sort filter.

2978
03:17:39,799 --> 03:17:45,840
I definitely got that as well,
like stuff like Nosedive and hectic Life.

2979
03:17:45,559 --> 03:17:48,319
They start to get that like grabbing
the mic, shouting over each other,

2980
03:17:48,479 --> 03:17:52,760
kind of you know, beastie Boys
hardcore gang vibe, which is really cool.

2981
03:17:52,840 --> 03:17:56,799
There's a line in this which is
that's why this slope Gang three sixty

2982
03:17:56,840 --> 03:18:01,520
funk vision hits different, which is
a line cannot pull off in my accent.

2983
03:18:01,719 --> 03:18:05,719
I'm staggered that a German can that. That was it. I was

2984
03:18:05,719 --> 03:18:07,559
like, I can't. I can't
hate your band when you when you're when

2985
03:18:07,559 --> 03:18:11,559
you're firing off that lyric as you're
kind of like chorus thing on the title

2986
03:18:11,600 --> 03:18:16,600
track, like that title truck was
weird. Just they really let the freak

2987
03:18:16,639 --> 03:18:20,639
flag like that's what they really like
to say. We are going to be

2988
03:18:20,680 --> 03:18:24,840
weird and we're gonna say completely nonsensical
lines like that, but it's gonna work.

2989
03:18:24,959 --> 03:18:28,040
Yeah. There's the chorus in True
Blue with it you gotta be thinking,

2990
03:18:28,120 --> 03:18:31,520
baby, I got you on my
mind is so catchy. The chorus

2991
03:18:31,520 --> 03:18:33,920
in Talk Big, the first song, it's a cooler response with whatever the

2992
03:18:33,959 --> 03:18:41,200
fuck that instrumental. It's so I
don't know, it's so silly and catchy

2993
03:18:41,239 --> 03:18:45,520
and boisterous, and then they put
bongos in it. Yeah, there's ridiculous

2994
03:18:45,559 --> 03:18:50,159
percussion breakdown at the end. There's
all stuff that could sound like really really

2995
03:18:50,239 --> 03:18:56,239
tacky. But I'm kind of in
awe of the production job on this record,

2996
03:18:56,360 --> 03:19:01,520
like for a small band kind of
I've not heard their past. I

2997
03:19:01,520 --> 03:19:05,159
don't know if they've played with this
stuff before, but they've completely nailed the

2998
03:19:05,239 --> 03:19:11,120
balance, just sort of sonically the
first time around, like the drums and

2999
03:19:11,200 --> 03:19:20,959
the bass and bongos and that Nile
Rodgers guitar thing. It's just the ability

3000
03:19:20,000 --> 03:19:24,399
to mix all those things together even
before you get to the songs which are

3001
03:19:24,440 --> 03:19:30,040
which are really catchy, that alone
is a pretty staggering achievement. Yeah,

3002
03:19:30,079 --> 03:19:33,200
And like balancing that funk with the
meathead mosh parts, like it's ticking one

3003
03:19:33,239 --> 03:19:37,399
of the stupidest, stompiest rifts,
like it's just egging you on to just

3004
03:19:37,440 --> 03:19:41,360
stamp your feet. It's like as
instantaneous, no bullshit a riff as you

3005
03:19:41,360 --> 03:19:46,040
can imagine, and like nose Dive, the transition between those kind of like

3006
03:19:46,040 --> 03:19:50,719
freshanti style verses and they just got
cross over frash, Yeah, like chuggy

3007
03:19:50,840 --> 03:19:54,319
chorus. It's it's more fluid than
you might expect. There's a little bit

3008
03:19:54,360 --> 03:19:58,639
more like metal as well, in
like Hectic Life and MBq. Sometimes the

3009
03:19:58,719 --> 03:20:03,760
record so bone headed it makes me
cackle, Like the last riff in Hectic

3010
03:20:03,360 --> 03:20:09,399
Life, I think it is yeah, which is just like so obnoxious.

3011
03:20:09,879 --> 03:20:15,159
There is maybe the single least essential
interlude track I've ever heard in my life.

3012
03:20:15,440 --> 03:20:20,319
It is twenty three seconds long and
is barely audible. What makes you

3013
03:20:20,360 --> 03:20:26,440
go, yeah, that's essential to
the record. Drugs probably and the fact

3014
03:20:26,479 --> 03:20:31,680
there's just a song in all caps
called why Sad and that The thing is

3015
03:20:31,840 --> 03:20:37,200
that songs just all bounced it like
coils up that that riff hits yeah,

3016
03:20:35,879 --> 03:20:41,840
but so far down that like Ambitie
affliction just let me be sad path it

3017
03:20:41,959 --> 03:20:46,000
just becomes like a joke, like
a I think this record is shockingly fun,

3018
03:20:46,360 --> 03:20:48,879
like more than I was expecting when
I put it on. Occasionally it

3019
03:20:48,920 --> 03:20:52,399
sounds like a record the hell would
write if they were German funk metals.

3020
03:20:54,239 --> 03:20:56,799
You know, I think you put
it in with things in hardcore that are

3021
03:20:56,799 --> 03:21:00,719
like trying to get a different type
of fun out of it, you know,

3022
03:21:00,760 --> 03:21:03,920
like Angel Dust. Yeah, but
you know, one of the things

3023
03:21:03,920 --> 03:21:07,120
I haven't really got with angel Dust
is like, you know, this works

3024
03:21:07,120 --> 03:21:13,399
because it's still crunchy as shit and
it's still bounces. If you've been clinging

3025
03:21:13,399 --> 03:21:16,280
to those last Chili Peppers records,
please for the love of God listen to

3026
03:21:16,319 --> 03:21:18,120
this, or if you like the
Beastie Boys. You know, I think

3027
03:21:18,360 --> 03:21:24,159
a lot of people like this is
a big bounce riff summer record. Absolutely,

3028
03:21:24,200 --> 03:21:26,600
I think a lot of people will
gain a lot of pleasure from hearing

3029
03:21:26,639 --> 03:21:31,200
this. Yeah, it's it's a
California summer funk metal record. Released in

3030
03:21:31,360 --> 03:21:35,959
February by Germans. Absolutely wonderful.
A great month for slap bass, it

3031
03:21:35,040 --> 03:21:41,200
turns out. So that is it. Wow, what a whop episodes and

3032
03:21:41,200 --> 03:21:45,760
wopp a fucking records in that one. Let me tell you serious stuff going

3033
03:21:45,799 --> 03:21:48,319
on there. Thank you everybody for
listening. Tell us what your favorites are

3034
03:21:48,319 --> 03:21:52,399
of these something for everyone, I
think, even though that again some really

3035
03:21:52,840 --> 03:21:56,520
mammoth intense stuff on there, but
put fucking slope on afterwards. You'll have

3036
03:21:56,520 --> 03:22:05,799
a lovely time. Yeah, that
is it from us. Next week we

3037
03:22:05,840 --> 03:22:09,799
will be back with the normal hyperblast
stuff here, but we will also be

3038
03:22:09,879 --> 03:22:13,360
back on the Patreon with the album
Club Pack. With those albums I revealed

3039
03:22:13,399 --> 03:22:18,600
earlier in which we will be going
from something as just exquisite and sumptuous and

3040
03:22:18,879 --> 03:22:26,399
beautifully crafted as the Mantle by Agaloque
to starting the party with the Blackout.

3041
03:22:26,440 --> 03:22:28,079
We'll be going for some fucking rush
as well. Get involved with that.

3042
03:22:28,520 --> 03:22:33,239
We will have the conclusion of the
Elexa on Fire special shortly on the heels

3043
03:22:33,239 --> 03:22:35,239
of that so patron dot com slash
That's Not Metal is the place to go

3044
03:22:35,479 --> 03:22:39,799
for all of that beersiness. Thank
you everybody for being here. We will

3045
03:22:39,799 --> 03:22:41,520
see you for all of that.
We'll see you next time. Wa