WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:08.240 The following is a presentation of Playfly Sports Properties in Michigan State Sports Properties. 2 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:23.440 Well, Hello and good evening. It's Thursday, December fourteenth, twenty and 3 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:28.920 twenty three. Welcome to the only show about Spartan Dogs hosted by Spartan Dogs. 4 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:32.719 This is Sparta MSU. I'm your host, Jason Strayhorn, along with 5 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:39.880 my co hosts. The boss otis Wiley's jay You couldn't make it today. 6 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:42.960 He's busy doing what JAYU does. But that's okay. If this is your 7 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.719 first time watching the show, we want to welcome you to the show. 8 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:49.520 If this is not your first time, we honor you and thank you for 9 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:54.119 your loyalty. It means an incredible amount to all of us here at this 10 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:58.759 is part of MSU. Please click the like and subscribe buttons and let us 11 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:00.000 know where you're watching from, and don't forget to follow us on all of 12 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:06.840 our social medias at This is Sparta MSU. Oh, we're gonna get into 13 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:08.120 a little bit of basketball today. We have to do that. We have 14 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:15.319 a special guest for the show that former Hooper understands the game inside. Now 15 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.359 the guard understands this thing. So MSU basketball Now says at four and five. 16 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:26.239 After a loss this past weekend on Sunday to Nebraska. The next game 17 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:32.879 against number six Baylor in LCA, it's gonna be on Fox on Saturday. 18 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:36.959 That's the Little seasons greening for those who are listening downtown Detroit. Yeah, 19 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:42.239 this is a good opportunity. We did, obviously have our football game, 20 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:47.359 our last home game in Detroit. We're showing the MSU strong ties in Detroit 21 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:53.000 and the brand right so to have basketball tip off at two o'clock at LCA 22 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.640 and then have the Lions play after for Saturday night. I mean it's gonna 23 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.879 be a great, jam packed, eventful night for anybody going downtown and going 24 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:07.919 to Detroit. I'm still thinking of going more so to enjoy the festivities and 25 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:14.479 Christmas that downtown Detroit has to offer. Ye, but taking the family there. 26 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.719 But we'll see. But I can't wait to kind of deep dive on, 27 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.919 you know, lay it down on the show with one of our former 28 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.479 guys, you know, baller out there out of Flint Town. Can't wait 29 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:29.759 to dive in on that baller out of Flint Town. Gotta love that. 30 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:34.639 You gotta go break it down the matchup with Baylor. I know that that's 31 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.280 gonna be one heck of a matchup. You're talking about a top ten program 32 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:43.800 in the NCAA, but also looking at where Michigan State sits in basketball, 33 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.439 because everybody knows about the streak, the postseason streak, and at four and 34 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:51.680 five right now, it's go time. So we're definitely gonna get into that 35 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:57.479 as we continue throughout the show. Jonathan Smith on the football side, let's 36 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:02.560 get back to the grid Iron Lands. His first commitment with running back three 37 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:09.400 star running back Macki Frasier, Rebel commit out of Texas. We already know 38 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:15.439 getting commits out of Texas to come here to East Lanson's not a it's not 39 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:19.719 a huge feat like it's tough to get him out of that a lot of 40 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.479 schools down there, down south in Texas for them to select and choose from. 41 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:29.879 I looked at this guy's film and we talked about this offline two nights 42 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:36.000 ago. You know, we talked about this guy shows elite talent on both 43 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.199 sides of the ball. I'm more I'm more like, look, I'm more 44 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:45.439 looking at his ability to play on the outside linebacker standpoint, because what he 45 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.960 looks like in coverage for us as we saw this past season. You know, 46 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:54.479 we didn't have the most astute or most talented past coverage from a standpoint 47 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:58.840 from the linebacker mid level. And for him to come in, I mean 48 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.159 he's covering will outs. He knows obviously the offensive because he's a running back, 49 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:06.719 but he also impresses me of going north south on his runs, going 50 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:12.360 to running, you know, being a running back. So Coach Smith like, 51 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:17.120 he's making noise, like he's only been here, not even ten business 52 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:19.600 days. Really if you think about, it's been so quick. So turn 53 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:24.560 around that he's making noise and you see some of the other stuff that he's 54 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.639 getting guys, the official visits, which I know will cover as well. 55 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.279 But this is a huge get to have a commitment. Now you're not you 56 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:34.000 already know he's not science steal delivery yet. Uh he may stop, still 57 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:38.720 climb, but this is a huge gift for Coach Smith and the new staff 58 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.879 without a question. Mackay, that that's your name, Mackay. I believe 59 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.639 so. Mister Fraser originally committed to Oregon State. So this is you know, 60 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:50.079 to be you know, committed as the staff has now taking the commitments 61 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:54.720 that they had in Oregon and moving them over. He committed back May ninth 62 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.879 of this past year this year, but he decommitted on December first, when 63 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:04.680 Smith took the job at Michigan State. He's a guy who has committed to 64 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:11.959 the MSU over the likes of Arkansas, Missou, Minnesota, in Boise State, 65 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.000 along with the Oregon State obviously. So this is a talented individual and 66 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.240 you're talking about the state of Texas and you just put o this. I 67 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:23.399 mean, there's so much talent in the state of Texas. So look forward 68 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:27.920 to talking more about him in depth as signing day approaches just a week from 69 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:33.759 now. Now, this is a huge testament to players are committing and selecting 70 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:39.439 their schools with the coaching staff that they trust clearly. And this is a 71 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:44.879 huge testament to our running backs new running backs coach coming over and saying, 72 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:48.040 hey, I'm going to the Green and White. You know you can keep 73 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:53.439 your commitment or do you want to come and start a new foundation and started 74 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:57.680 to you know, start uplifting a program that's big ten country. I think 75 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.000 that's a huge testament to the loyalty but also the relationship that our new running 76 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.720 bass coach has built and in order to have him flip and come over to 77 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:09.279 Green and White. So that's good, that's a good testament spartanation knowing that 78 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:13.560 these coaches have great relationships with these young players to make that flip. So 79 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:21.240 absolutely, Speaking of guys who still have ties to Oregon State and their position, 80 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:28.199 coach has now moved on to Michigan State. Tight end Wyatt Hook three 81 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:31.360 star, who was originally also committed to Oregon State, has now committed to 82 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:38.079 the Spartans tight end out of California, three star, a big get for 83 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:42.560 the Spartans. Yeah, when you say he was like recruiting class ranked what 84 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:48.720 eighty fourth, that's the current class as it's the current class. Yeah, 85 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:57.240 So I mean, for this is a huge task at hand of taking over 86 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:02.399 a program this late I think right, it's with recruiting nowadays, it's late. 87 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:06.480 So for us to put together a class with all the things that has 88 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:12.040 happened and all the people that have hit the transferport currently in the roster we 89 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:15.759 are. We have Malik Carr in the portal, So you have to bring 90 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.680 in, like you said, this fresh talent. And I mean from the 91 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:24.439 looks he looks the part from a tiny end standpoint, and you just got 92 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.120 to see like, hey, he's gonna come over and transition very well. 93 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:33.399 I'm looking to see more great things and more names added to this quickly because 94 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.839 they are on the hunt aggressively right now. Can you imagine going right now 95 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:42.639 in people's rooms and living rooms right now, like you got to come in 96 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.399 with your best, like your best at this state of recruiting, at this 97 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.560 time, You've got to come in with your best offer or you're gonna get 98 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.560 appreciate you coming and spending time with us. We'll think about it, get 99 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.199 back to you and what you know that offer was weak or this is a 100 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.759 strong offer. So you know you gotta go win the hearts and minds with 101 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.839 one visit and a call. You know it's literally closing time. It's time 102 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:13.399 for that right right now. So in living rooms all across the United States, 103 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.800 you know this coaching staff is making those home visits right now. Obviously, 104 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.839 wyat Hook is one of those guys from Homestead High School out of Coopertino, 105 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.480 California, now number seventy second tight end in the country right now. 106 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.560 Rank But I'm gonna tell you one thing about the rankings. This staff has 107 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.720 a knack for finding diamonds in the rough, something that Michigan State is used 108 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:41.080 to in years past. Okay, talking about a brick by brick, were 109 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.440 talking about blue collar state getting back to the DNA, Like they are guys 110 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.799 that are hungry. Like there's I'm not saying there's entitlement with the star, 111 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:56.320 like there comes entire Yeah, there is, there comes entitlement. Now you 112 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:01.279 got a guy who's hungry, maybe overlooked in these three ours, but has 113 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.919 the talent with development and coaching to come and be great outstanding players for the 114 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:07.600 Green and White. I love it. I love it to the point of 115 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.320 like this is going to be embraced. This is the philosophy. There are 116 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:16.519 great talent out there that get overlooked because of these stars mostly right, and 117 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.240 then it's like this is where I'm loving it. Right now, I'm loving 118 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:26.399 it. I'm loving it. You love that it. I mean you're talking 119 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:31.440 about a guy he's six six and thirty five pounds, three star, you 120 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.120 know. I mean, so he has the measurables, you know, seeing 121 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.399 his official visit pictures and he was hanging out with the a lot of the 122 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:43.200 other commits from Michigan State on their official visit this past weekend. He looks 123 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.200 the part. I mean, he passes what we call the eye test. 124 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.039 So I'm excited to see him get on campus, get him signed, then 125 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:52.720 see if he gets in here early and so we can take a look at 126 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.879 him and get him developed man, and then retain him, you know, 127 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.639 because all the portal stuff that's going on in the world to you know, 128 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.039 looking at the current classes you brought a minute ago, Otis, Michigan State 129 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.159 ranks eighty fourth in the nation right now with early signing they coming up on 130 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.759 the twentieth of this month. The former classes for mel Tucker for MSU the 131 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.559 last four seasons in twenty twenty he was ranked forty eighth, twenty one, 132 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:24.279 forty fifth, twenty two, twenty six, and then peeking out in last 133 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:31.240 year's class at twenty second overall. Is something that Michigan State can kind of 134 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.559 gauge the ranking. But again, when you're looking for diamonds in the rough 135 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.879 and you have the ability to develop, maybe that doesn't matter all that much. 136 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:46.720 Otis. There's a lot of flips happening this weekend. There's a commitments 137 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:52.759 going on, and there's also new official visits. There's obviously a lot of 138 00:10:52.799 --> 00:11:01.559 noise nationally about the Georgia commit Dylan Rayola, who has been pegg He was 139 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.320 at Ohio State originally and then he's at Georgia. Now he's committed to Georgia, 140 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.759 but over the last forty eight hours, there's been a lot of talk 141 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:16.200 of him flipping his commitment to Nebraska, where his father and his uncle actually 142 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.080 coaches there. Now his father played there. Dominic Rayola of the Detroit Lions 143 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.600 offensive lineman. He's got quarterbacks, you know, the down at Buford, 144 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.200 Georgia right now. So everyone in Georgia's up in rear, in an uproar 145 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.720 right now because of this flip. But because of this, it's a chain 146 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:39.559 reaction that's happening. There is a Nebraska quarterback commit, Daniel Kaylin, that 147 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.320 is now set to come to MSU for an official visit on Friday. So 148 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:50.000 there's a little bit of a musical chair situation happening with the quarterbacks. Yeah, 149 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.480 like, all right, I can't keep up. I'm be honest with 150 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.799 you, I can't keep up. What is that? You know, obviously 151 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:00.759 is influencing us of you know, him seeing Michigan State as an opportunity of 152 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:05.600 value to Hey, since they're gonna go out and get someone and commit in 153 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.840 my place like I should be. If I'm the quarterback in this class, 154 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.000 I should be the only one. If that's maybe his his viewpoint, But 155 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:18.159 I don't know anything really about this kid coming, but for him to set 156 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:24.679 his official visit already be committed to Matt Rule and team kind of shows like, 157 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.559 hey, I feel like disrespected, So I'm gonna see in test the 158 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.200 waters and see if there's an opportunity for me. But I feel like there's 159 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.519 still gonna be some more developments on our side that needs to be shored up. 160 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:43.600 But we also have no scholarship quarterbacks coming back, so we are depleted 161 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.519 and we need to go ahead and get some guys in here. So I'll 162 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.279 look forward to get a little bit more deep dive on his his talent, 163 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.879 what he brings to the table for our next show to kind of say, 164 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.679 hey, you know, hopefully it's a great visit this weekend. Yeah, 165 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.799 and so we'll see. I think that's a big point right there, that 166 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.600 you know, making sure that he's feeling welcomed into east Lands and on an 167 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.360 official visit, because when you look at the news of the flips and things 168 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:13.080 that are happening to transfer portals also a topic of discussion with Nebraska at the 169 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:18.240 position of quarterback. When you have Kyle McCord, the quarterback from Ohio State 170 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.039 who's been crystal ball to go to Nebraska, and so Nebraska is looking at 171 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.080 bringing on a starter in the Ohio State starter and the number one quarterback in 172 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:31.960 the twenty twenty four class. At the same time the nil over there, 173 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:39.320 I mean, you're you're talking ridiculous numbers for Matt Rule and company to be 174 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.840 able to pull this off. But hey, one man's trash is another's treasure 175 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.240 when it comes to what Michigan State may be able to do to benefit from 176 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:54.480 that kind of high dollar fallout with a guy like Daniel Kaylin maybe falling into 177 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:00.879 the lap of Michigan State here along with Aidan childs out about you Aiden. 178 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.080 You know, that's the one that everybody's waiting on that announcement. So we're 179 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.919 all sitting here with baited breath, everybody yeah, waiting on, Yeah, 180 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.919 what's going to happen with the quarterback room Michigan State. It's crazy how quickly 181 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.120 the quarterbacks have answered the call when Matt Rule goes on the press conference and 182 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.120 talks about, you know, to get a top quarterback, it's going to 183 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:24.799 cost one to two million dollars. And then all of a sudden, you 184 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.039 getting getting the number one quarterback from oh stay starter, and then Rayola like 185 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.919 clearly strategic for him to get the investments of that donor base of the corner 186 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.960 Husker fun So now I know we try to do that. And then I 187 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.639 don't know if Backfighter just didn't hit, but we just haven't done it yet. 188 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:43.840 We get, yeah, get there, getting there, We get we 189 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.559 had the people. 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I know that I hop 207 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:22.879 sponsorship. This is he throw me a couple of Hey, we got you 208 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.200 right down the street. It's a trigger trigger promotion. Man. Remember the 209 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.960 tacos I hit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, seventy points tacos 210 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:34.679 Now, seventy points gets you three stacked free stacks. So I did see 211 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.799 that at the game, I think at the last game I went to. 212 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.120 So yeah, So go ahead and get to the nffay, breakfast is fire, 213 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:47.159 you know you yes, absolutely mean we're meaning yep, it's on me. 214 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.240 Man. I appreciate you Tim Bow coming. Man, it's been it's 215 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:55.120 been a long time. Obviously, I've seen you since I've been back in 216 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:59.559 East Lanson working here. But uh, you know, we wanted to obviously 217 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.759 bring a former former player on that has lived it, breathed it under coach 218 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:07.880 and and you know, talking about this year's team of all the you know, 219 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:14.440 the expectations were very high. I know you've been through some some some 220 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.119 dog years and like working in some successful years as a player, and so 221 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.480 who not best to come in give us, give us an inside look of 222 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.799 just from a former mindset. Obviously, you know we're former football players, 223 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.519 so we could talk football day in that day out, and you know we 224 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.839 always think football. We were always hoopers and then you always think out football 225 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.160 players. So let's bring somebody in that can hoop. You know that can 226 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:41.119 who So I did? I did do a practice in football pad, so 227 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:42.680 I was I was one of the lucky ones who got to do that. 228 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:45.880 Yeah, so let's let's touch on that. And that's a good transition. 229 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:52.480 So before the Northwestern game, coach goes up, you know, and talks 230 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.839 and as you know, has the little statement quote about you know, I'm 231 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.960 going to get back to the roots and I'm not gonna you know, stop 232 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.960 listen to everybody and lawyers and all that. What what what does that mean? 233 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.920 Knowing coaches, knowing the relationship you've built and had with him. What 234 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.599 does that mean with this team where they're going through the pains right now? 235 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.720 What does that mean? Well? I think I think it probably is a 236 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.559 little different than it was when we when I played, but it means I 237 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.759 mean, he I think he's going to try to get back to what kind 238 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.240 of the core of what the program was built on a on a practice standpoint, 239 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:33.359 right, and that's kind of creating a competitive, physical, high intense 240 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.359 practice environment because that's what the Big ten. I mean, you guys think 241 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:42.119 that's what the Big ten is is. And when your practices are hard and 242 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:47.279 intense and they become harder than what the games are, you normally translates into 243 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.880 better basketball. So I'm assuming there was a lot of defensive drills, uh, 244 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:53.920 you know, and seeing that we've you know, we've been up late 245 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.079 in games and haven't been able to close them. Out right, there's a 246 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:02.039 skill to being able to win the last four minutes of a game and put 247 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.160 it away that you know, you have to learn to win games. I 248 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.880 don't think people realize that, like it's it's being all the things, managing 249 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:17.039 your emotions and the stress and the environment. But there's a there is a 250 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:22.200 skill to learning to put games away down the stretch and sometimes, yeah, 251 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.240 that you got to do it in practice, so it can translate over and 252 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.440 talk about that. I mean when you're saying how practices were in your day, 253 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:36.960 so describe what those physical practices work. Yeah, And then don't get 254 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:40.319 me wrong, there's still there's still physical I don't see as many I see 255 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:41.440 a couple of practices of the year. I'll take my son over there and 256 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:45.880 we'll watch practice just so he can he can see it. But it is, 257 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:51.240 I mean, it is. When you step between the white lines on 258 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:56.480 the court, you are just really trying to destroy the person across from you 259 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:02.519 in a fashion of uh, you're either trying to score on them every time 260 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:03.519 you get it, you're trying to stop them. You need to get every 261 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:08.279 rebound, and you know it's gonna be a dog fight, and and you 262 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.599 know we've I've probably, like you guys, I've seen you know, there's 263 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.440 there's fights in practice. I've seen coach fight, you know, nose to 264 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.920 nose with people. I've seen players fight. It's that he loves that stuff, 265 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.240 like he relishes it. But it's you know, it was really that 266 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:26.519 was kind of how things were built prior to even me getting into Michigan State. 267 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.119 Was like, you know, this is how practices are. We have 268 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.559 to we have to make it harder than the games so then when when the 269 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:37.119 tough times come to the season, we can rely back on it because it's 270 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:40.160 hard to be It's hard to find toughness if you don't practice being tough. 271 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:42.759 Like it's not everyone's not inherently tough, right, Like, you know, 272 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:48.920 there's not always got to be tough, right. We've all had teammates who 273 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:53.759 aren't tough guys, but they can learn to be tough in those scenarios in 274 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:57.680 their own way. But it's got to be. It's gotta be an everyday 275 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:03.400 thing. Yeah. Ever seen the movie three hundred? Yeah, I just 276 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:04.839 tried to get I just took my wife, my wife you love. She 277 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.440 just told my son, like, I think you're at the age you need 278 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:12.720 to watch three hundred. So he's twelve. A spartan wife right there. 279 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.920 Yeah, yeah, she was a better athlete than I was. Yeah, 280 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.880 and I look, jes look, I know Jesse. Y'all both are y'all. 281 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.359 Both are competitive and so for Mo for Mama Bear to say just to 282 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.839 be like, hey, I'm seeing I'm seeing some signs. You know, 283 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:32.079 it's fun though with him, you know with kids that he's uh, he's 284 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:36.839 just figuring out himself because he's not an inherently like tough kid, but he's 285 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:40.599 a competitive kind of and he's getting more physical. So now he's starting to 286 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:45.160 learn how to be tough and to manage that like emotions and like in games 287 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.240 and you know, people are talking trash to him and uh so it's fun 288 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.480 to see it happen. Uh and kind of that growth as a he's a 289 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.519 sixth grader now, so I'm just kind of sitting back and watching watching it 290 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:59.359 happen. Yeah, that's the perfect age right there. Yeah. Yeah, 291 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.559 man like to talk about like you watching the games too, Like, yeah, 292 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:08.039 I've seen a lot of our former players friends of the basketball program, 293 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:14.759 and some are some have different perspectives of like what's happening. Some have different 294 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.039 like it's it's give or take here. This it's kind of fifty to fifty 295 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:22.599 from you experiencing and seeing basketball for a lot of lot of years. Like 296 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.640 what you already mentioned about closing games, But what are some other elements of 297 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:33.240 the game that we have to get back to to that winning culture of Like 298 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.519 what are you seeing in games other than closing the you know the deal and 299 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:40.359 what are you seeing? Yeah? And I think, I mean, I 300 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:44.880 think we're close. I just think there's you know, like being able to 301 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:49.759 close games is a big one. I think it. I think it's there's 302 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:53.960 a to me, like there's a little lack of cohesion on the court and 303 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:56.799 sometimes it looks like there's just five guys playing there trying to get it to 304 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:02.319 Tyson and hopefully he makes a tough shot to score. So I'll be you 305 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.799 know, I'd like to get some you know, some early easy buckets for 306 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:07.599 him, you know, for him so he's not working so hard. It's 307 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.759 kind of like it's kind of like getting your cornerback to throw a five yard 308 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:14.640 out right to get him find a rhythm. Like we got to get these 309 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.839 guys shots that help them find rhythm. You know, when I played, 310 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:23.440 we we scripted the first five or six plays for certain guys to get them 311 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:29.200 into positions to score baskets they and they were comfortable with. And so I 312 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.640 think it's it's kind of like finding easy buckets for guys to get them going. 313 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.880 I mean, if you'd told me we were scored seventy points and we 314 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:37.519 wouldn't win against Nebraska the other night, I would have told you you were 315 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.079 crazy, right, But there's you know, and we didn't play too bad, 316 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.480 there's just you know, there's it's just a one or two possessions that 317 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.519 were either not finishing it with a rebound or you know, we're missing, 318 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.920 you know, missing some shots. And so I think it's it's ads getting 319 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.759 into a rhythm earlier and then uh, you know, putting more guys in 320 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:59.720 positions for a little easier buckets to start games. And then you know, 321 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.839 I agree with is like we've got to get I think when Cohler comes back 322 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.759 and we get a little bit more production maybe out of the center position, 323 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.880 because that that that's hard on the guards when you know, if Tyson's getting 324 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.039 a pick and roll and the defense is looking at you know, Cooper Maddie 325 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:18.319 and they're saying, well, I know he's not throwing it to that guy. 326 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.960 You know, there's just two guys that are guarding him. So it's 327 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.079 it's that kind of stuff. I don't think we're I mean, we're not 328 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:26.440 far off. It's just we're just, you know, we're not used to 329 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.240 be a four and five. I was on the last team I think they 330 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:32.160 went four and five, so I know what they're I know kind of what 331 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:41.759 they're going through. So it's a result of that that we we barely snuck 332 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:47.440 into the tournament. We weren't as good as this team though, uh we 333 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:49.240 were. We were a lot of young guys. There were a lot of 334 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:55.720 like freshmen, sophomore. We were a short bench, young team that kind 335 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:57.599 of grinded our way into the tournament that year. I think we got enough 336 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.920 wins to qualify and then the time is all effect helped and they were like, 337 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:03.039 yeah, we can't leave them out of the tournament, right. So 338 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.519 it's but I mean, this weekend is gonna be a tough game. You 339 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.400 know, you're playing a top ten Baylor team who's they beat everybody by double 340 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:17.599 digits. They score a lot of points or good defensively, and then you 341 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:18.880 know, I think we got a stretch of games coming up where a lot 342 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.920 of them are winnable. We're just we're just we'll figure it out. Just 343 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.359 it's just not as pretty as we were as we had expected right now because 344 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.160 we were in the top five to start the season. Mhm. Was that 345 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.960 the team that you were on that went on a fifteen game win streak? 346 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.240 Is that? You don't think so, I don't think that, you know, 347 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.119 I don't think there's there's a lot of talk about that too. Now 348 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:45.319 when you you brought it up, you touched on it the front court play, 349 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.759 You talk about the center position and how you Cooper and Madia you know, 350 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.680 are they're not going to throw it to them on the pick and roll? 351 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:55.519 What is the issue going on from your perspective as a as a guard? 352 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.680 And you have those two guys who seem to kind of plateau from last 353 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.519 year development wise, and then you have people on the bench that people are, 354 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.319 you know, fans are just like, why why aren't we just making 355 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.799 moves and changing up the rotation right now? What's your thought on that? 356 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:11.839 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so I get I mean, you know, 357 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.880 you're represented. Why is it Booker playing more? Right, there we go, 358 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.759 Right, that's the elephant in the room with everybody's why is it Booker 359 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.640 playing more? And I, you know, with with Coop and Maddie, 360 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.960 I mean, I think they're playing within the system right now, the way 361 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:30.359 that they're being asked to play. I just, I mean, it's just 362 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.039 not comfortable for really either one of them to get down on the post and 363 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.440 to get a ball and take two dribbles very often and make a move and 364 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.880 some of the they're they're you know, it might be a confidencing with them 365 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.480 maybe uh you know, they're not you know, they're catching the ball in 366 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.559 weird situations or scenarios on the you know, they're not going to stop and 367 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.720 shoot a fifteen footer. So it's you know, I just I think it's 368 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.920 probably a little bit of a confidence issue. I would imagine coaches, though 369 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.359 I was writing, writing them pretty hard about their play right now, and 370 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.720 so that can that can have an effect. And then you know, the 371 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:04.880 Booker thing, I would love to see him play too, But I also 372 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:11.160 without seeing practices, you never know how the transition for him has been to 373 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:15.680 college because the game is a lot quicker, uh, there's a lot more 374 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:19.440 to think about when you're in a Big ten play versus in high school. 375 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.240 You know, there's there's reads, there's you know, there's coverages, there's 376 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:27.640 defense, there's offensive sets, there's there's all this thing and and I you 377 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.200 know, I read it. You know, I've heard he's working hard in 378 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.559 practice, he's coming along and you know he is said, we're going to 379 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.759 play him going forward, but he's still going to go out there and make 380 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.079 fresh mistakes and he's going to miss some coverages and do some things. So 381 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.440 I mean, it's not like Booker is not going to step on the court 382 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.200 and all of a sudden be the big man savior I think we're looking for. 383 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.480 But I would, you know, I'm excited about watching him play and 384 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.920 in his development. You know, in the games I've been to, you 385 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.839 know, he does good things. He does bad things, but that's to 386 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.200 everybody at this point, right and there there's no one's playing flawless yet he's 387 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.759 gonna need someone to be able to cover cover up some of his mistakes for 388 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:08.440 him though. So that's where line I think lineups will will will make a 389 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:14.960 difference for for when how books playing guard's gonna have to probably cover up and 390 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.039 it'll be it'll be interesting to see if I'm excited. It sounds a lot 391 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.440 like you know Otis. You know in football when you have a hot shot 392 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.759 like running back that just doesn't do well in past protection, right, so 393 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.319 you know, everybody's like, wow, he why isn't he out on the 394 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.720 field more often it's like, well, you know, you'll get your Quarterbai, 395 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Book's gonna have to Booker's gonna 396 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:42.599 he's gonna have to ball screen coverages, help side defense picking. You know, 397 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.200 it's all that stuff. It's like Oti is trying to play man and 398 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:56.160 man, oh let's go, let's go right now. No, let's like 399 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.759 let's go back to your roost though, like okay, like playing it out 400 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:07.039 and Flint, like people don't realize like growing up like basketball and Flint was 401 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.519 like I mean the gym it was a hey standing room only you may not 402 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.519 get in and playing watching these games and you grew up. You're in the 403 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.240 heart, like you're in the heart, like talk about just growing up and 404 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.720 you know your pops. Honestly, mister bogratis tires heavy tires in Michigan State, 405 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:29.480 but just talk about selected Michigan State where you came out to come play 406 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:33.200 at the collegiate level. Yeah, I got I got lucky because my my 407 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.680 grandfather was athletic director at my high school when I was young, when I 408 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.720 was two three, So I grew up in the gym at Flint Central watching 409 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.720 these games just as I kind of went through it like I you know, 410 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.839 I watched you know, Antonio Smith and Matinos, I watched them all in 411 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:52.440 high school. Uh, so I was I got to experience it and and 412 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.519 the excitement that they built and and there's so many players that that people have 413 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:02.400 never even heard of at work. Un believable and uh there were so many 414 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.680 guys that were unbelievable that just weren't eligible to play. It was. It 415 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.799 was just a fun experience to be a part of. And I think it 416 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.279 really helped kind of build that that you know, you had to show up 417 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.559 every day and and you know, tie them up tight and get ready to 418 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.039 go because you weren't sure you know who was who on the court, but 419 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.119 you knew it was going to be tough. And that was that was if 420 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:23.400 you're wining a high school game, if you were at the park, if 421 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.839 you were at the y. If you were anywhere there, you knew there 422 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.359 was a tough game. And so I think, you know, just being 423 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.480 being a part of that and a part of Flint, it's, you know, 424 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.160 that's the foundational piece for me. Was kind of gave me that grit, 425 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.640 that and that kind of gravel in my gut a little bit to to 426 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.519 to know how to just compete and go after it and win or win lose 427 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.160 your draw and then you know, coming out of high school, I actually 428 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:51.920 didn't actually didn't have any offers at all. Coming out of high school. 429 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.319 I had a couple of walk on offers, uh in basketball. One was 430 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.039 at Kent State and then Michigan State. And then I actually I toyter around. 431 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.400 I met with Bobby Williams about walking off for football, me and Sean 432 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.720 Pool. You know, Sean came and played tackle for US. Sean was 433 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.240 my best friend, right, so we were high school teammates. We came 434 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.599 on our we came official visits together for football, and so I met with 435 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.119 Bobby on that and then but when back I probably would have done that unless 436 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.279 but then basketball the opportunity came up, and so I decided to go the 437 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.640 basketball route. Instead of being a walk on and getting my head blasted in 438 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.119 every day by eating football guys I practice, I'd have been like number one 439 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:36.400 hundred and seventeen and there you guys would have just been tearing my helmet off 440 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:41.920 every day. Yeah, scout team. Yeah. So so I started, 441 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.119 actually my senior year in high school, I started to drive down with my 442 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.279 high school basketball coach, Stan Gooch and I would come play open gym two 443 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.759 three times a week whenever they were playing. And that's kind of how it 444 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.319 turned into my opportunity. He knew is real well and just said, hey, 445 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.839 I think he can help you, you know, whether it's just practice 446 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.519 player or not. And so I got They said, yeah, come on 447 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.559 down as preferred walk on, and the rest is history. And I red 448 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.519 shirted a year my first after my freshman year. We had seven guys league. 449 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.480 We had five seniors and two guys go pro, so we just had 450 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.440 to play. We had a short bench. I had to put me in 451 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.079 and so I got to play, and then I kind of found my my 452 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:22.880 role, and uh it never looked back. Interesting background. You know you 453 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.240 talk about your days at Flint Central. Yeah, and so you you saw 454 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.359 matteen and all the Flint Stones that were they count somebody idolized as a youngster. 455 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.599 Oh absolutely, I love it. I was you gotta get straight, 456 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.759 get straight education. Man, Like, well, let me know, I'm 457 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:43.799 not a Flint You both you got Flint, Northern, you got Flint, 458 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.839 you got Southwestern, and like three, I mean either you go to one 459 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.200 of those three. And so Northern was our big rival, right Central and 460 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:58.440 Northern rival, so I would There was a guy at Central named Max Scott 461 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.079 who was a guard who he could play but though and he would always battle 462 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.759 with Marteen. So I was more of a I was a Max Scott guy 463 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.359 because of Flint Central. But I loved Mateen, I mean Mattina and Tone 464 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.680 of those guys. And then I played against Charlie one year in high school. 465 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.359 But we were all part of the same AAU organization too. So like 466 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.319 when I was like ten or eleven, Charlie baby baby, all our parents 467 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.319 let Charlie baby sit us in a hotel in Florida one year. So yeah, 468 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.880 yeah, yeah, all the parents they went out, they let Charlie 469 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:34.680 watching Carlos. Yeah Charlie yeah yeah. He was maybe fifteen, yeah, 470 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.440 maybe fifteen, yes, yeah, yeah yeah. So that's how far it 471 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.000 kind of goes back. But I did. I would you know. I 472 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.680 showed up to campus and they used to sell Flintstone T shirts with all the 473 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.680 guys on it. My freshman year, I had one of those. I 474 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.880 wore it to like in the weight room one day, and they made fun 475 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:52.640 of me so bad because they're like, Charlie's on the T shirt, He's 476 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:58.720 still on the team. You can't win that shirt. Yeah. Now you 477 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:06.240 go to the graduate everywhere. I know, no look spartanation. I know, 478 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.719 like in the chat they are probably gonna be they're asking, you know, 479 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:15.840 talk about the shot, like talk about the shot, the six option 480 00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:21.719 on the floor. Shure, Okay, now tim like you know Timbo, 481 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.000 like Timbo knew like confidence is not a lacking skill set for my man. 482 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.880 It's like you talking about it. It's like a fishing story too. It 483 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.119 gets better every year. Every time I someone asked me about I guess, 484 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.079 uh, yeah, no, it was awesome. I'll be honest. Uh. 485 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:43.519 The funny thing is I wouldn't have been on the court except Calvin Torbert 486 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.199 got a concussion that game. Early in that game, he took an elbow 487 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:51.079 to the head and he got hurt, and so I had I ended up 488 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.639 playing like twenty five minutes that game or something like that, and I would 489 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:58.559 guarantee you I wouldn't have been on the court if he was healthy. Yeah, 490 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.519 And I just happened to like he he got hit early, and I 491 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.320 came on and I played well, uh, you know, defensively and doing 492 00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.960 my thing. I had a tip in basket early in that game, and 493 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.840 so I have no I to this day, I guarantee I wouldn't have been 494 00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.480 on the court if he was healthy. Uh. And even like Maurice Ager 495 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.400 was on the team, and he was just coming back from a stretch fracture, 496 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.920 so he was limited then too, so he probably I don't think he 497 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.840 was on the court for that play either. So it's just it's just dumb 498 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:29.280 luck. And I mean, you know, standing in the corner and you 499 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.519 know Chris Hills up on top of me and at a balancer. I mean, 500 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.960 so they run, they run to those shooters obviously, and he just 501 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:37.199 slid me open. And I could see this shot clock. I can hear 502 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.800 a bench counting it down, and I figured I'll get a shot up and 503 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.079 if I missed, would get time for a rebound right this time for offensive 504 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:50.119 rebound. Maybe get another set and just caught it and you know, caught 505 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.280 it in rhythm. Good shot knocked it down? Is oh, you know 506 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:59.119 dogs me in the in the in the press conference. But he that's funny. 507 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.320 I think people probably thought he was like joking like that was he was. 508 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:06.119 That was an honest answer for him, like if he had a camera 509 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.119 on him, he was he I'm sure he was like, do not shoot 510 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:15.239 this fall? And then he yeah, in his head he was going no, 511 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:20.599 yeah, I still tell him I made his like, I made him 512 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.920 what he is today because of that shot. He never I said, you 513 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.280 never beat them until I showed up. This is true, Max, he 514 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.719 said he he has a couple of things to say back to me about that. 515 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.840 But I mean, so this is against Kentucky down in rupp Arena. 516 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.639 Yeah, you were able to knock down the three to knock down Kentucky, 517 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.800 who was dominant at that time. We got somebody backstage and wants to join 518 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:51.039 in with this discussion. I think choose available bring him on up. I 519 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.159 had to say, what's up to my guy? I couldn't let Timbo on 520 00:36:53.199 --> 00:37:01.400 the with drop it in and rearranged him stuff. But you know, I'm 521 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:06.159 glad, I'm glad you could make it for the last like four minutes. 522 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:13.800 Had to rearrange them, so you didn't rearrange anything. He came from the 523 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:22.280 football talk. He's so busy. I'm busy, man, busy like you. 524 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.000 Yeah, what's up now much? Man? How you doing? Just 525 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.079 you know, telling lies and stories. That's what we all do. That's 526 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:36.400 what we all do. Yeah. We were actually we lived right next to 527 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:40.239 you for like a hot minute there. Uh in that in that little townhouse 528 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:44.639 area. I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a few years 529 00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.440 ago. Yeah, we had you know, Tim and he was one of 530 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:57.960 those partiers and we had to get going to Yeah you were calling could play. 531 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:05.360 Yeah, he's such a rule follower and uh noise complaints like I'm a 532 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:12.400 good Catholic. Yeah yeah, I would never do that. No, this 533 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.039 is awesome, man. So that story right there, like talk about your 534 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:19.760 experience with tom Izzo and that team and how it prepared you for life after 535 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:24.440 basketball. Yeah, I think, I mean, coaches is so good at 536 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.599 kind of taking that long term view of like, hey, you guys aren't 537 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.519 you know, most of you guys aren't going pro right, so like what, 538 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.960 you know, one of these lessons we can learn and kind of instill 539 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.760 in you that that you can carry on with you and and you know share 540 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.360 now, like I share some of this stuff with with my son as he's 541 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:44.679 as he's coming up with my daughter, and you know, just the work 542 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:49.559 ethic and the understanding of you know, setting the standard and then and then 543 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.000 living up to that standard, uh and not sacrificing you know, the work 544 00:38:53.280 --> 00:39:00.000 or your your involvement, uh beyond that. So it's he's been unbelieved. 545 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:02.159 He's been a great kind of person to bounce ideas off of and talk to 546 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:07.239 throughout my life if there's questions I have or just life things to talk about. 547 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.400 You know, he's not he doesn't have short conversations. So if I 548 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.880 have like an extra couple of hours, I can sit down with him. 549 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.400 Uh, It'll turn into a long conversation. But you know I've done. 550 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.559 My wife, who she coached softball, Michi can stay for a while. 551 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.320 She was thinking about whether she wanted to be a head coach, and I 552 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.480 said, let's go talk to and you know he sat with her for you 553 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:31.199 know, two and a half hours, talking about pros and cons of you 554 00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.440 know what the head coaching will look like, what does she really want to 555 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.960 do and helping her kind of figure that out. So, you know, 556 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.159 he's kind of been that constant, the concept we always you know, I 557 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.400 don't talk to him all the time, but I know when I see him 558 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.639 or if I need him, he's a phone call away as well. And 559 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.920 the family. It's serious, man, He's built one heck of a culture, 560 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:57.239 and you're one of those guys that just kind of embodies the grit, 561 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.519 determination and overcoming all adversity. I mean, hey, we're still talking about 562 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.840 the shot. I don't know, twenty something years later, we keep talking 563 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:08.079 about it. It's almost it might be we're very close to twenty years today. 564 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:13.800 It might it was pretty close. It might we're pretty close. But 565 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.039 uh yeah, you yeah, I feel great. I feel great. I 566 00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.480 feel better than I feel better than Jay. You notice, dude, for 567 00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:27.760 sure, because they got a lot. You're looking good though. Hey, 568 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.639 I feel good. Yeah, you know, I told him. I told 569 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.599 us like for the longest, Timbo, I didn't know you grew hair like 570 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:37.960 you always had the buzz, right, I didn't know about He was like, 571 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.199 yeah I didn't. I was like, no, I can't go back. 572 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.599 I can't go back. Yeah, that was about I said that's a 573 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.280 mair back then. And then one year I just decided I was going to 574 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.159 shave my head, like in the middle of the season. I don't know 575 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.760 why. It was a group of us. Is that because what night two 576 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.400 came, I was shaved in my head before Drew. I was shaving my 577 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.960 head before he even got there. It was we It was me and Jason 578 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.960 Andreas were sitting in our apartment one night and we were like, hey, 579 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.400 let's save our heads, and we just did it, like for no, 580 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.880 we had no good reason to do it. It was like, I mean, 581 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.920 it was in the summer, like we just got but I don't even 582 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.280 where you got clippers for. We just first cut right down the middle, 583 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:25.880 like no turning back. It was it was a college decision, man, 584 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.480 you know, like, you know, let's let's shave. It's the middle 585 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.039 of the summer. We were probably you know, we're probably in between workouts 586 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.119 or something. You never you never got to go home, so it was 587 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:45.199 like I was always in the campus at the trailer crossing pool parties. Yeah, 588 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.320 yeah, yeah, it was a capstone I think capstone was yeah, 589 00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.000 yeah, I do got to say though, something that we both have in 590 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.280 common that Michigan said we both had the number thirty, so you know, 591 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.719 you know, big shout out to you that you know the number thirty there. 592 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.159 I I was so happy that you called me to see if you were 593 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:07.119 allowed to wear it before you got I never told you this. I was 594 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:14.360 so honored that you wore it in honor of me, you know, your 595 00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:19.880 celebration, like it was like Timbo. Yeah, everyone thought it was too 596 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:25.000 too like, No, it was tim You know. It means a lot. 597 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.679 Yeah, it's a little. Yeah, it's something you don't They just 598 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:31.400 haven't heard that story. But you know, we go, we go so 599 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.760 far. It's gonna catch. I love it. It's gonna be like because 600 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:37.880 I can't wait. I hope, I hope it does catch somehow in some 601 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:45.760 chat room somewhere that that's the rumor. Bob Knickerbocker called you and you if 602 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.360 it was okay. I don't know about you. I didn't even get to 603 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.800 pick my number. They just handed me a jersey and you was the only 604 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.119 one. Yeah, they didn't even know it was coming. Prud was like, 605 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.079 who are you? He did? That's what I he said, who 606 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.320 are you? I said, I then you walk on. He was like, 607 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.280 he's like and it was almost like he was mad at me. He 608 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.840 rolled his eyes, like, all right, here, here's your stuff. 609 00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.000 There's another one here. You're fine. I didn't have a jersey. I 610 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:22.800 didn't have a name on my jersey. My whole first season I had under 611 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:23.559 my warm up. He was like, you're never going to take that thing 612 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:25.960 off, so don't worry about it. I was like, really, yeah, 613 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.239 he said, I had to earn my name on my jersey. Don't 614 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.039 even worry about it. Don't worry about it. Yeah. That was like 615 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:36.239 that until like two thousand and three, and then we had another walk on 616 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.159 who had to play in like we played Stanford. We had another walk on, 617 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.800 Brian Westrick, who had to play, and then he took it. 618 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.039 I was like, why is his name on his jersey? It never happened 619 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:52.760 to get out of that run. In his own operation, He'll tell you 620 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.519 nothing. I have that jersey somewhere. It's it's here somewhere. I have 621 00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.920 no name on them. Actually, my mom might have it somewhere. She 622 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:06.840 might have gotten my name, so on it. You gotta jump to more 623 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.199 time. So so as a former player. You know we talk we always 624 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.840 talk about name, image of likeness in IO. Right, Yeah, the 625 00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.519 game of it is, you know, if you don't got the best, 626 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.559 you know you ain't gonna get the best recruits. And you know it doesn't 627 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.239 affect the locker room. There's a lot of questions, but like, what's 628 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.199 your take on in IO? And we always ask a really important question if 629 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.519 we had it back then, what would be your first deal? Oh great, 630 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:34.760 what would have been? Uh? What's my thoughts on it? You 631 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:43.840 know it's I I wish I understood it more than I do. Outside of 632 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.360 there's a lot of people that seem to be making a lot of money, 633 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:54.400 right and so uh, I like I like the fact that people can benefit 634 00:44:54.440 --> 00:45:00.960 from their name, image and likeness. I don't like the fact that I'm 635 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:06.039 not certain that all the athletes are set up to handle it the best possible 636 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.679 way. Like if you were at eighteen years old, if someone gave you 637 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:15.280 one hundred thousand dollars, you are screwing all that money up, Like it's 638 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.960 gone right, Like I just like I and I don't know enough about the 639 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.639 back end. But like, I think the educational piece is important. I 640 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.519 think there's at some point they're gonna I don't know if they can rein it 641 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.880 back in because that horse is already out of the barn. Right, So 642 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.599 you got you got athletes that are you know so and so is an eye 643 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.840 value is six million dollars. I don't know how you. I don't know 644 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.840 how you reel it back in. But I don't think there's no slowing it 645 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.639 down, and there's no stopping you know, a player from being a free 646 00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:51.000 agent every year when there's that much cash involved. I mean, and my 647 00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:52.519 first deal, I don't know if I would have gotten a deal Rick's all 648 00:45:52.559 --> 00:46:04.679 American cafe. Oh well that's the award. Yeah. Uh, you know 649 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:06.960 what I might have tried to I might have tried to get a deal in 650 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.119 a golf course or something like that, like Hollow or something something like that. 651 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:19.159 But America. Yeah, you go, you visit herm at Ricks with 652 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.159 your Ni L card. Yeah, when you're done, you go right to 653 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.199 Ponchero's. Yeah. Card. I would have been it right there. I 654 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:31.199 would have been thinking so small scale, the big daddy taxi. I forgot 655 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:37.199 about it because there was no uber that would have been that would have been 656 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.880 like a four hundred dollars nil deal and it covered you for the whole year 657 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:47.400 of two dollars taxi rides around these lands. Exactly. Yeah, the ni 658 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.000 L stuff. You have the n c A president now trying to put some 659 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:57.559 guardrails. He's introduced new legislation, not legislation, but ideas of trying to 660 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.039 limit, you know, get all the schools to put money in themselves, 661 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.159 because right now it's it's kind of a wild wild West look at it. 662 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.280 There is no school involvement so to speak. Uh, so you have outside 663 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.519 collectives and you know agents that are you know, shopping kids around. I 664 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.039 mean, that's what it is. It's free agency, and it's supposed to 665 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.719 be. They only get the one move for free, right. You get 666 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:21.440 that you can go into the portal once. But once you do that and 667 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.039 you transfer, you're supposed to be stuck until you graduate again. But I 668 00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.400 don't know, it doesn't seem like a lot of guys are doing that either. 669 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.000 So guys are girls. So there's a lot of loopholes and things that 670 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:35.199 people can do to get waivers from the NCAA. I know that we can 671 00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.159 go deep on that, but it is a wild wild West show that's going 672 00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:44.519 on right now. In regards to that, the transfer portal nil everything, 673 00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:49.599 So transfer portals, I think it's I think the transfer porter portal is a 674 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.679 first hand, real world experience for people to understand where they where they sit 675 00:47:52.719 --> 00:48:00.000 in the pecking order of sports. Right you and your you have a flat 676 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.679 a sense of how good you really are until you put your name in that 677 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:07.920 portal and realize, oh, there's seven hundred people in this portal and there's 678 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.880 maybe a hundred spots available. And then once you're in the portal, like 679 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.760 you can't go back to the same school, really, I mean can you 680 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:17.679 can? But it's like your teammates looking at you like, hey, you 681 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.239 know, you didn't really want to be here until you realize really, this 682 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.400 is the only So I don't know. That's one thing is, you know, 683 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:28.719 I give him a lot of credit on a lot of this stuff. 684 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.280 He's he didn't like any of it, and he's been vocal about it. 685 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.960 But and he's right on a lot of that stuff. I don't know. 686 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.079 You know, if if schools have to put the money in, you know, 687 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:45.960 that's not ship Georgia and Alabama and they're gonna they got plenty of money. 688 00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.719 They got plenty of money. It's probably easier for them. It's like 689 00:48:50.800 --> 00:49:00.679 Nebraska's got the moment. Then there's nothing in Lincoln. From Lincoln to Omaha, 690 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:07.880 there's nothing but the University of Nebraska. That's true. And then you 691 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.840 know, if I've all the Nile stuff too. Is like, if you're 692 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.320 a donor, do you want to you know, you could give your money 693 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.599 to the school and get some value that way as a donor, or do 694 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.280 you give it to this collective where I don't know what the value is to 695 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.920 me giving my money to a collective all the time, like, you know, 696 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:29.480 unless I know the people facilitating it, or how they're negotiating these deals, 697 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.639 who's writing these contracts? You know, how is this stuff all happening? 698 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:37.280 Like I just I don't know. There's it was like they they let 699 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.360 it go and then they kind of thought, oh man, I think we 700 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.119 should have thought about this some more. And now it's like, well, 701 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.440 you got kids getting paid by Gatorade. There it's not you know, good 702 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:53.039 luck getting doctor Pepper to stop there in al program right by the way, 703 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:59.400 They're wonderful except for the one kid DJ. What's the kid that actually transferred, 704 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:07.400 you know, from Clemson djild We just got his coach from Yeah, 705 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.119 he was at somewhere and then he got the doctor Pepper Dealer. Worst year 706 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:13.800 of his career. I had to transfer. M hm, this is true. 707 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.519 They gave it to Bryce Young. I mean, it's it's just yeah, 708 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.679 it's a lot of pressure that goes along with the money that comes with 709 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.320 uh N I l obviously now, you know we've talked about this on a 710 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:28.280 couple of shows ago, where quarterbacks are getting pressure from the stand you know, 711 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.400 from from fan basis, and then you're not necessarily good enough. This 712 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:35.679 is why you're seeing Kyle McCord goes eleven and one at Ohio State in the 713 00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:39.920 portal about to go to Nebraska. You know, Hey, it's it's gonna 714 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.760 be one of those have and have not scenarios. But it's gonna be a 715 00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:47.320 while for this to level out. You know, the market's going to eventually 716 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:51.719 level out, but it's you know, we're getting there probably three or four 717 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:55.719 years away. Yeah. Man, hey, listen, we really got before 718 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:02.000 let him go. Uh what what's now too? Yes? What are you 719 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:07.039 doing now? Company? Update? Tell us what you're doing. Yeah. 720 00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:08.880 So I'm still in the East Lanton area, live in Oaklan. It's worked 721 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.320 for a company in Lansing, Maynard Castarras, and it's actually an accounting firm, 722 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.360 and I do all their sales and business development for the firm. So 723 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:19.480 uh, you know, never thought I'd worked for an accounting firm, but 724 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.639 it's been. It's been great. Company has been in the Lansing area for 725 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.920 one hundred and twenty years now and the Lancing Grand Rapids and so I've been 726 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.960 here for about five years. And other than that, manches. You know, 727 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.679 I got a twelve year old and a seven year old. So I'm 728 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.039 in gym's or a gymnastics place. Yeah, see it's swim class like, 729 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.440 I'm in all that stuff. I'm in all the fun stuff. So I'm 730 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.800 you know, helping coach things with them and driving the games and tournaments and 731 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.599 you know, trying to catch some Michigan State stuff here and there. That's 732 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:55.840 awesome. Yeah, man, I appreciate you. Sp spartans Man. My 733 00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.159 son is Tyler, and my daughter's Olivia, So okay and Olivia practice. 734 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.679 I'm gonna tell him. I'm going to tell him you you said that legacy 735 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:09.840 legacy. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. Around here, I appreciate 736 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:14.199 you guys having me on it's you know, it's always fun to catch up 737 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:20.400 with guys that have gone through it and are still protecting that the brand and 738 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.880 the and that Spartan logo. So and you did a great job protecting the 739 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:29.480 brand. So that was that the OKG are kind of guy. Okay, 740 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:37.199 Okay, I didn't know where you're I thought, I that's sure. Yeah, 741 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.960 I appreciate definitely are that. Yeah, So hey, we appreciate you 742 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.199 joining the show Man. Love to have you back because the season is going 743 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.360 to be, uh, you know, a season that you may help us 744 00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.559 navigate through with basketball we're talking about here, so it's going to get through 745 00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:54.519 this signing day for football. Would definitely love to have you back. Thanks 746 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:57.760 for joining us. Let me know, let me I appreciate it. Just 747 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:04.320 tell otus. Don't text me at ten forty five, I was sleeping, 748 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:09.079 You were sleeping. We were just getting off the podcast. That's the difference. 749 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:17.199 That's the difference, all right. I appreciate Michigan State basketball faces Baylor. 750 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.920 Let's hope that they can pull off a big This will be a huge 751 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.400 win for Michigan State basketball guys. So look, until we get to next 752 00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:30.000 week, for Otis Wiley, Jay You Call, Come Jason Strayhorn. This 753 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.239 is part of the ms You have a good night, God, bless and 754 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:39.079 go greet. This is part by MSU is a combined presentation of Play Black 755 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:45.760 Sports Properties and Michigan State Sports Properties. The show is produced by Tony Le 756 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:52.159 Barbara Tony Gstella and Process Driven Consulting. Additional supports provided by Brendan Duravage on 757 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:58.119 location. Technical support provided by Good Fruit Video. Be sure to follow our 758 00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.519 host, Jason Strayhorn, Jay You Called, and Otis Wiley on social media 759 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:05.719 to stay up to date with all the latest. 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