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Hello everybody. Welcome back to Desk
George, your favorite board game design and

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creation podcast, as always brought to
you. Bye you eving. I'm Riley,

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not here, just a figment of
your imagination along with I'm Kyle.

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I'm having a weird hallucination because I
felt all of that. That's crazy.

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I'm Graham. I thought the shrimp
women were gonna be the weirdest thing in

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this episode, and I was wrong. So I'm really sorry. Side,

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how dare you apologize? Let's start
this episode. Let's start this episode because

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because Riley, Riley is still here
from us, um stuffing one hundred copies

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of Fear Within to go out everybody. If you're watching this episode, um,

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they're all stuffed. There will be
shipping out with over the course of

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the next month. Yeah, over
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Riley is like, I have a
hot ten minutes from the time that your

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podcast starts, Uh, be here. So we wanted to be here for

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the intro. That was That was
it. So I mean I understand why

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you were pushing me because he was
literally hiding under your desk, like sweaty

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and like the desk forgive me.
I I walked right into that one.

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Oh man, thank you for being
a good sport about that grab. Yes,

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I just wanted to join say hello
and let you guys know that the

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best PlayStation of game of all time
is, of course Glover for the PlayStation

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well, the PlayStation one. Yes, God, nobody believes we're not.

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Unfortunately we're not talking about the PSX, the PlayStation extreme. We were talking

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about the PlayStation three. Oh,
which is why it doesn't matter, because

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it didn't have Glover on. And
with that, ladies and gentlemen, that's

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a fair point. I can see
why our brand integrity is so high.

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It's very I look forward to seeing
my little big planet ranks. A little

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big planet. I like a little
big planet. Phenomenal game's I didn't play

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it enough, so unfortunately on the
one hundred twenty seven list, they're all

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bunched together in one like I guess
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it's somewhere nebulously in the middle,
the bottom. I mean, unless we're

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gonna talk about Jananga ratings, I
don't understand how we're gonna get more engagement

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through pure hatred. That's true.
That's true. Number one twenty eight,

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that's true. Yanga rating twenty eight
on h on a one twenty seven list

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of PS three three sixty games.
All right, books, we all enjoy

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your podcast. Thank you for letting
me stay boggy, my friend, stay

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boggy, my friend. All right, folks, UM give me just two

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seconds here? Oh there we go. Um wow, now you're coming in

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loud and strong. Yeah yeah,
I was gonna say I had to keep

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the microphone off of that. Riley
could hear. We're back. Thank you

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for that prolonged intro. It's been
nine years since Riley's last episode. Um,

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but yeah, we're going to continue
on with our PlayStation rankings. Graham

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has ranked one hundred and twenty seven
um not counting an anga um games from

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games for the PS three era,
and I am going to try to surprise

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him, stump him with numbers.
You all seem to really like this episode

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for I'm checking our metrics. This
was one of the most widely watched episodes

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on YouTube of ours. That's awesome, it's great. Uh so we're just

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we're gonna just kind of jump right
back into it now that Riley's gone.

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I just thank you again grab for
being a good sport about that. Literally

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he's under the team was under the
table the entire conversation I'm listening to us.

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I would have wanted it. It's
for him to be under the table.

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Yeah, and it was. He
was. He truly was. Um

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let's just start off nice Crisp and
Queen with a number fifty. Who was

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number five of PlayStation games from one
twenty seven? Uh? My number fifty?

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Uh is the tomb Raider remake.
UM. I so so you like,

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I charted a lot I do,
I do, I do not,

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which is hilarious to me because you
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and everybody loved it. Um.
I beat the first one, was fine

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with it. Um tried to play
the second one because it was getting ten

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out of tens, ten out of
tens, ten out of tens, losing

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their minds. Yeah. And I
played a little bit of the original tomb

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Raider like everybody else did, where
you struggle with the controls and you get

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devoured by animals. UM. And
I liked quite a bit of what the

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new tomb Raider remake was trying to
do. UM. It was trying to

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give a realistic protagonist. UM.
It was trying to be kind of gre

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I mean overly, so um my
favorite beats or when it was a horror

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game, and I know it was
initially pitched to be that less of an

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action game. Yeah, there's bits
where you're going through crouch to these like

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bone ridden underground tunnels with your flaming
torch. That's my that's my brand.

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Is this like want to be Indiana
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Um. I loved. The reason
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loved it up to the point in
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I loved how hard it was on
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struggling. I loved like, what
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you killed somebody, and then immediately
it like didn't matter anymore. You were

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just wrecking people. So yeah,
yeah, what is your experience with this,

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because there's two maybe three now,
so this is an interesting thing.

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So I came up in an age
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or you had the PlayStation. So
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bit later actually, and there was
my parents were very strict. A love

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my parents dearly, but we were
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that were like we were not allowed
to have a lot of games that had

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like human on human violence, and
so we were not allowed to have two

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rater. So I didn't play a
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which is interesting. And I it's
interesting that, like, as you're

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giving your like review of it,
right, I'm sitting here thinking about my

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experience with it, and I'm like, well, crap, I think you're

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honestly because I had forgotten the game
existed. Sure, And as you're talking

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about it, and I remember thinking
two things. One, I loved the

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atmosphere, especially like you said in
the beginning of the game, where it

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is this like weird island and you're
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be cursed. There's like an eternal
empress, like you're like, what is

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going what is happening? Right?
And as I'm recalling my experiences of that

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game, the moments I can remember
are the moments that felt like a horror

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game. Yeah, um, now
I do. Now Here's the thing.

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I loved the gun play. I
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But as I'm thinking about it,
I can't recall what the gun play

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blade if there's a gun blade and
tumb rater I missed. Is that how

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we saved the franchise? We just
give Laura Croft a gun blade? This

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is uh yeah, this is Hell
Drivers all over again. When you thought

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I was talking about completely different game, yes, straight out, you're talking

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about Final Fantasy eight. I mean
the squall Laura Croft crossover is not one

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I was ever prepared for it.
Um whatever, I'm so cool. I'm

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gonna be busy. Eric gorning in
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Gorner, the ultimate Eric. But
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but again, there's other than one
level which I distinctly remember, which

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was like this like anti town like
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That was just like I had a
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felt like a horror game too,
just a horror game cranked up to eleven

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because I'm like, everyone's there,
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from the walls. Like that was
cool, but like, yeah, I

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think the horror parts were the parts
of that game that stuck out the most.

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And again, and I missed a
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nostalgia, So I think a lot
of it, like trying to go back

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to it now, I'm like,
like I've tried. Yeah. And I

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also didn't have a PlayStation. I
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played Tumwriter on PC okay and was
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control. And I was not particularly
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time. I had to slowly train
myself, Like first person shooters were terrifying

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to me as a kid. Any
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through. Like I played turn based
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a little bit of the like pause, pause and play like Balder's Gate.

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So so yeah, I for me, I think the legacy of tomb Raider

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was the bizarre, gross, weird, sexy nineties stuff where she became this

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like pin up icon because all of
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was like pandering and weird and sexist
um and an attempt to like reclaim this

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character because all this is ripped off
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the thing, and then Uncharted was
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then they remake came out after Uncharted, and everyone's like, what's this Uncharted

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rip off? Like, yeah,
it's a weird, bizarre cycle. It's

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a weird cycle. I was saying, it's so strange because like, yeah,

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Laura Craft was super sexy. But
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an age where I didn't really understand
that aspect of it. I remembering,

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like, the girl's awesome, she's
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I remember her in like pixelated bikinis
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It was. It was everywhere.
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I was vers and gross. I
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like I mean, but again I
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I didn't I don't think I get
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Mining Granger. I think from the
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have been the movies. Did you
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had human on human violence? We
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yeah, And then again by the
time I loved Kemberlake. Is that Pink

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Ranger? Oh hell yeah, yeah, there's a gym miss she was awesome.

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Yeah, you know, listen apparently
she's still a babe by the way.

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I've seen her around. She's on
Twitter and stuff and grams. Like

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I said, we we hang out
every so often. Oh yeah, she

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hits me up occass does she do
the Oh no, that's the Green Ranger

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that has the sword that's also a
flute. Oh yeah, but doesn't rest

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in peace unfortunately. Yeah. Oh
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there was a Power Rangers Greedy reboot
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that one? It was like ten
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was great. I loved it.
It was like, oh my god.

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And it was directed by the guy
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Taylor Swift, which I think is
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in. More recently than that,
on Netflix, there's like a I don't

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know, ninety minute seventy minute Mighty
morphin quote unquote movie that has the Return.

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tone with the original show, so
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But the Yellow Ranger tragically died in
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twenty years old, and so the
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lore where she gets like destroyed by
a robot repulsa, and then they spend

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forty minutes dealing with the death of
this real care and now her spoilers because

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that's so important. Her daughter like
reclaims the mantle. Um. So it's

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it's so bizarre because it's in the
tone of mighty morphins. So it's like

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four or five year olds. But
then they're talking about the death of this

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like real woman and then fighting a
robot rita Repulsa is free. So it's

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weird. What the one tomb raider
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raider? What a what a weird
rabbit ale was gone on? All right,

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Well that was a good one for
fifty were starting off like that was

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a good one. I'm the quick
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like gave men anxiety to that first
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death sequences and her death noises were
like deeply unsettling and like sexual, you

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know, in a really weird way. There's a lot of stuff where she's

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getting like tree branches shoved through her
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that. Ah No, just stare
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background your mind. Thank you shrimp
woman for being this. Also Manny in

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the background here, that's uh for
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Manny Fresh. That is our That
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just man shrimp man. Um okay, uh number thirteen thirteen Gee Gali whiz.

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All right, So we're zooming up
at the top here. Yes,

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uh and um this is uh like
the rebranded remake, although I liked the

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original very much. Um. Again, this was one of those weird indie

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titles that it kind of changed the
name and kind of got some notoriety.

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Um. All of a sudden,
people were saying, oh, maybe license

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games can be good. Did you
ever play the Chronicles of Riddick, either

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the original or the remake? Assault
on Darkthina. I know what both of

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them are, and I like that. I don't know if I'm in a

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minority here. I actually enjoyed the
movies. I did too. I everyone

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likes the original and it's very gritty
and low. And then Chronicles of Riddick

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is way more interesting than it has
an any right to be. It's a

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dopey, schlock sci fi film that
deeply cares about its lore. Um a

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previous episodes, you and I talked
about like what is you know, what

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is something missing the mark and I've
talked about unified tone but also like a

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good like mash up like an Evil
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like ridiculous is perfection done correctly right? So good specifically Evil Dead too.

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It's my example here because it unches
to have these disparate tones and then do

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it so well. And Chronicles of
Riddick should be stupid, and on paper

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it is, but it nails so
much of its world of it's setting.

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And it's also before Vin Diesel completely
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just like you're just abused by the
fact that he's so emotionally invested in this.

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one of my absolute favorite, like
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like Middle of the Road, because
again it's a huge budget for how dopey

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it is, Like, it's it's
absolutely more interesting than has any right to

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be it does it says, it
says something interesting. I don't know.

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I just remember I like, we
would repeat you keep what you kill like

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over and over and now I love
a good an ironic quote in yea of

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a of a bi hockey sci fi
movie. All right, but the game

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though, the chronicles, Yeah,
so, um it's a first person stealth

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action game that's exceptional, and it's
weird that it's exceptional. Um. It

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got picked up by this UM this
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UM, and was beloved by critics
at the time, and it really kind

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of broke through because this company they
didn't want to do a licensed game,

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and so they just completely knocked it
out of the park. So of its

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era in terms of first person uh
action stealth, it's it is fabulous and

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absolutely stands the test of time.
UM. I guess the lessons like the

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game designed, lessons that I want
to learn, maybe connect back to our

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like our IP like what I pieced, we want to work with. Um

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they very much didn't want to do
this. This is in the era where

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you had terrible movie tie in games. Although yeah, every single one unanimously

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right, Yes, exactly across the
board. I remember if it like it

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had a movie time, you just
ignored it at like EB games, which

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is a reference. I'm sure that
dates myself a little bit. But I

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mean, you know you've already talked
about how you were you know, too

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young to watch Power Rangers. I
guess, but um, but you like

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dB games. I didn't there we
were allowed. Maybe I got playing on

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Gameboy games, game Boy Color games
for me BE games. Okay, So

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I I love the remake. I
think the remake edit a lot that's assault

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on darkathina Um. But this this
game, I think exemplifies what can be

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done with a licensed title, and
arguably the best licensed title of all time,

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really really special, really deserves it's
thirteen. Wow. Okay, I

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see you now, I'm this is
the other thing too. I'm like kind

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of like because so, for those
of you not in the NOE, Graham

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bought me for my birthday this year, games based on ips I want to

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design on and so I have a
list of games that I'm gonna be playing

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the summer now that I've got time, and I'm like, oh man,

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I'm like, it's chronically the ridic
on Steam, Like can I get that

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I'm light, I'm gonna have to
look because I love a good stealth shooter.

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That's why I liked Um Data Sex
so much. The remake of Data

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Sex. I liked that. I
liked the stealth elements of that, and

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I found myself coming back to like, try those levels again in nonlinear ways,

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and I kept coming back to gold
Man, this is really fun.

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So the original Dao Sex is one
of my favorite games of all time,

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and I think the First Human Revolution
was the first remain Yes, uh,

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it's it's It definitely had stuff that
I loved. I mean, I love

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immersive sims um They're amazing. This
while like do it however you want stuff

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like That's what drove me to finish
Um Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines because it's straight

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up Dao Sex in the Vampire the
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There were huge portions of the game
that were physically painful to play that

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I absolutely hated, and it was
very buggy and the combat was terrible.

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But in the hub places where I'm
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vampire powers, like it's Dao Sex, I was over the moon. So

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it was so fun. Did you
play Out of Curiosity? Did you play

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the unofficial fan patch or the official
fan patch? There's one on yes,

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Okay, okay, I was gonna
say I that that is a very lengthy

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conversation. But essentially there's these two
different camps that have like that aggressively hate

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each other and have different patching philosophies. The rabbit hole goes deep, and

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one of them has some reclaimed content
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just add a bunch of quests that
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yes, in the modern era,
some of these patches are exceptional and they

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can really really make the game playable
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was one that I didn't even know
they hated each other. I didn't even

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know there were two camps. I
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literally everyone that I've ever talked to, Um, if you get it through,

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like Greater than Games or goog whatever, was like, Yo, this

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is it. This is the quality
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Just yeah, that was curious.
Yeah, it's called an unofficial patch.

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do the unofficial patch, but don't
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unofficial content stuff. Okay, I
thought I thought it was all really bad

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and one quest was didn't even work. It was completely bugged. It's a

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bomber. So we have done your
your thirteen, we have done your fifty.

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According to my random number general,
we're going to number twenty two.

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Twenty two. Okay, so we're
a standing up with the top here,

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which is cool, Like, thank
you Google Random number generator. Um so

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you you have said let me let
me not not quote you out of at

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a time here, but you never
really got in on open world games.

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like open world games. I don't
was it a different genre because trying to

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think my favorite games of all time
have been open world ones, like the

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follow up games, the Winterer games. I this is in specific in reference

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to be saying that I door Assassin's
Creed Odyssey and you were like, oh,

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I don't know about the Assassin's Creed
up the world stuff. Yes that

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that I just I don't know.
There's a certain and maybe it's me being

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burnt out. But like the RPG, stapling to like other games, right,

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It feels like a platformer with light
RPG elements. And that's what I

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liked the most about it was that
creative you subverticality as a platformer um or

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like Borderlands for example, Like I
remember loving the first two Borderlands and then

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every subsequent John I'm like, good
God, it's just it's it like you

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didn't you didn't like the prequel.
I hated the prequel. That's hilarious.

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I don't understand. I'm the only
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is the best one. Wow.
Yeah, that is a hot take.

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Like I think, I think the
classes, you're creative. I love that

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you're on the moon. It's colorful. I think the writing is better.

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And you get to double jump and
butt slam, you have more do it

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more in the air, and there
was so much. It really changed everything.

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I enjoyed the first Borderlands. It
wasn't great. The second one added

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everything and really complicated it. But
like it's kept a lot of it stuff

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the same, And for me,
the prequel really has changed enough stuff that

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I thought was really interesting, interesting, but every single person I've ever talked

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to hate the prequel. Yeah,
and I don't understand because I think it's

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definitively the best one. I think, maybe for me because a lot of

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the changes I think you reacted positively
to, like I felt fiddly to me,

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like okay, whereas Borderlands for me
felt like a really streamlined experience m

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where I was like, cool,
this is like I know exactly where I'm

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going, like pedal to the metal. We've got it. It's right.

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And then I was like, man, all this other stuff can maybe it

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gets in the way. I would
have to replay it. It's been like

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two three years since I've tried the
prequel. But no, so my open

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world, I guess, not open
world so much. But is the stapling

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of open world RPG mechanics two games
I think is probably a little bit more

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accurate. I think I think we'll
see what is your number twenty two?

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I'm sorry grant here my hot take, because the problem is with the open

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world genre is it really became oversaturated
over several generations, and it wasn't until

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kind of Breadth of the Wild in
which a lot of it got paired down

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again because you know, I like
things like Robot Dinosaur Hunter, uh whatever,

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it's called Horizon zero don just like
s gibberish words. But it suffers

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from the kind of laundry list thing
where you have icons. You're actually playing

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a game, you're looking at your
mini map. You're not interacting at the

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world, You're just checking off boxes. It's a skinner box if dopamine.

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So that is one thing that needs
to be taken aside. But my number

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one rule, what separates the cream
from the from the crop in terms of

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what makes a good open world game
is that navigation has to be fun.

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This is why the Arkham games are
so good. Okay, this is why

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anything with a gimmick of movement where
you're like skating on things is great.

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Um if movement is fun, you
have a great open world game. That's

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the number one rule. Yeah,
that is why. Um My, my

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twenty two is prototype two. Play
the prototype game. I've played the first

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one. It was a demo I
think at the mall or like a Walmart,

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which is my experience with it.
Was like you know, when like

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you'd go shopping and like your mom
would leave you and be like all right,

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cool, I'll be here at the
demo game. Absolutely, yeah,

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I think that that was my experien
Prototype. I remember it was the first

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one, not the second one.
But I was like, wow, this

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is really good. I was like, I should get to have no money.

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So in the GameCube era, there
was a game called Hulk Ultimate Destruction,

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Yes, which was an amazing,
amazing open world game. UM,

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and that same company went on to
make Prototype. Um. There were two.

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There were a couple different of these
open world superhero games that got made

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from that era. UM Infamous,
which was very good and it was a

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PS three exclusive. But you just
kind of had lightning powers, good lightning

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or bad lightning, and you did
again you like, uh, would would

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skate around on power lines and things. Um. But Prototype you were a

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gross body horror person. Uh.
And you would like shoot weird blood spikes

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and you would explode and you would
like zip around. In the first one,

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Um, you're not even an anti
hero. You're really just like not

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a great dude. And in the
second one they were like, maybe we

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should reel that back a little bit. Um, you are gifted the powers

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of the first guy by the first
guy. He's the villain of the second

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game. Yeah, and your character
is more sympathetic. And then they did

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what every good sequel should do,
which is like more creative, weird,

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interesting blood powers. Yeah, because
when you're running up a skyscraper and leaping

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off of you know, four hundred
feet down to elbow drop on a on

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a tank, that's just wild and
fun and good. It took everything that

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you wanted from the first one.
But or like, you know, I

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don't really like this guy, this
like hoodie moron. And then you were

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like, yeah, let's just make
the hoodie more on the villain of the

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second one and then give yourself like
just gives a modicum of sympathetic backstory.

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And that was the second one.
I think it really defined this like ten

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to twenties range or twenty to thirty
range wherever I am of like, you

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know what, I really liked these
games. They didn't change my life.

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You said you've completely forgotten about the
tomb Raider game. Yeah, anything from

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like twenty ish. It's starting to
starting to fade a little bit for me.

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But I think about and be like, you know what if I don't

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remember anything from this game, I'll
pick it up again and play through it

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again. So absolutely slam dunk awesome, ridiculous, m rated body horror,

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superhero open world game simulator. I
love it. I also like to point

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out I think you have succinctly summarized
my every single person loves Mario because a

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good open world game has great movement, right, And and thinking back on

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my time with Infamous, which is
a game I did own and did play

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my favorite parts skating on the electric
lines. Correct, I have logged,

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like I want to say, one
hundred and fifty two hundred hours into Saints

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Row three of all, like Saints
Row, I like four as well because

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that one is I think four is
the straight up superhero one. Yeah,

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you have like superpowers ye because you're
like in the matrix or something. Yeah

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yeah, yeah, like three and
four And the fact that you can control

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your body type and have a lot
of customization, Like it's quietly kind of

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revolutionary, even though it's the walking
dick joke of a game, but it's

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oddly inclusive, Like shout out to
Saints Row for letting me play different body

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types and like basically make my super
trans superhero like like big boned lady.

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Like it's awesome, It's it's great, but literally the thing that I keep

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coming back to. In that game, I don't even do the missions anymore.

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I have the cars customized and the
driving in that game I loved,

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and I moved around that city and
just would drive around breaking up random gang

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operations. That's literally what I have
done for the last fifty hours of my

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playthroughs on that game. And I'm
like, holy crap. That's why I

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keep coming back to. It's a
great movement. So gold star for amazing

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Yeah, amazing game design, amasing
game design insight because I'm thinking about the

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now going, oh my god,
every open world game that I love or

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every open world game that I hated
has come down to its movement. Yeah.

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I Broth of the Wild. It
ripped out all this stuff that I

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didn't want to do. You don't
really have a mini map in the same

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way you tag stuff and then you
climb things like shout of Colossus and you

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have a glider. To the point
in which my muscle memory has like there's

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so many games where I like,
where's my glider? I keep hitting the

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button. Now, I like Breath
of the Wild screwed me up for a

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long time because I kept expecting to
have a glider ye far Cry three in

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the wingsuit. Uh huh made it
for me. Man, Okay, I

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that feels like a whole episode we
should do just on movement in games because

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that. Oh man, I have
ideas. Now. That was awesome,

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right number ninety three. Before I
get so far off topic that I will

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literally I will literally go way way
way up now. So I haven't played

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a lot of Call of Duty in
my life. Oh boy, okay,

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all right, I'm ready this This
was one of them. Okay. Um,

406
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.519
I mean I play Call of Duty. In terms of its design,

407
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:57.880
it's a direct line from counter Strike. Um, it's the same system,

408
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.319
very similar MCCA annex um. Uh, you kind of had these different branches

409
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:10.319
of first person both PC and then
console people splitting off. Um Uh.

410
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:15.519
Anybody who didn't have a PS three
or an Xbox in this era, um,

411
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:21.720
you didn't know about what a phenomenon
cod was and you were better for

412
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:26.680
it. Uh. It completely absorbed
all light. It was a little black

413
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.440
hole of of of gam Gamerton.
Uh. You know we talked about like

414
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.640
the Trump administration coming directly from gamer
Gate, because you know that's where all

415
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.759
these these people came from. I
think they were like even deeper down like

416
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:44.319
gold Farming for wow, and like
Call of Duty you know, uh fan

417
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.200
sites and whatnot. Uh. Colle
of Duty Black Ops is my ninety three

418
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.160
Um. I played through it.
Uh, did a little bit of online

419
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:57.119
stuff, had a couple of friends
were way into it. Um. It

420
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:02.960
was fine. Um. I you
know, I feel like an old man

421
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.039
when I'm like, why aren't we
in World War Two? Uh? Because

422
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.359
I liked the first one where you
got to play like Russian snipers and Stalin

423
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:17.839
Grad like I was so rad um. And then the modern warfare two changed

424
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:19.880
everything and everyone's like, oh my
god, you get nuked. It so

425
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:25.680
gritty. Um. And then everyone's
not paying attention and then they got kind

426
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:29.240
of interesting again and kind of weird. Um. Yeah, so this is

427
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:33.599
right at this point where I was
like, if somebody, if I have

428
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.640
a roommate of mine, owned it, I would play it when no one

429
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.640
was home. Like that was my
level of interact with Call of Duty in

430
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:44.000
this era because I didn't go out
of my way to play it. What

431
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:49.960
is your relationship with Call of Duty? I M love. I loved Blackhawks.

432
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.839
I actually did, um, although
I will say I think the gritty

433
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.000
one was modern warfare, the first
modern warfare, because that one was the

434
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.559
one that brought the nukes into start
and I hated it. You don't I

435
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:05.599
talk about the I talking about the
cut scene where like the guy you're on

436
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.680
the ground and the and the villain
comes up and he goes and you watch

437
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:13.359
a nuclear bomb go off, and
yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

438
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.160
There is that one. I forgot
about the cut scene. So here's the

439
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:20.599
other and then there's so there's there's
the bomb, and then they're killing the

440
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.799
people in the report and then there's
hit hit after to pay respects. These

441
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.319
are the press press after Paris.
Was that the that was the modern war

442
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:35.119
for four or modern Yeah? But
because Kevin Kevin Costner's son, not Kevin

443
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.160
costs on um who is Kevin Spacey? Was Kevin Spacey's kid? Kevin died.

444
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:45.680
Shout out to Kevin Spacey. Um, No, I I loved after

445
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:52.920
play respects his favorite meme. It
is a great meme though my experience,

446
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.720
I loved Black Ops. I played
a crab ton of Black Ops when I

447
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:58.240
was a kid. It was not
It's not my favorite call of duty.

448
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.519
Modern Warfare two probably still my favorite, always will be my favorite. Um,

449
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.440
because Modern Warfare two hails from my
favorite school of game design, which

450
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.079
is with every if everything is broken, nothing is broken. And you're talking

451
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:14.839
about the multiplayer now yes, absolutely
absolutely, yeah, Like, oh my

452
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.880
god, I remember I love Modern
Warfare two. I've had this conversation.

453
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.279
I love Modern Warfare two for the
same reasons I love Rezarkanaum, because everything

454
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:27.319
in that game feels absolutely busted if
you're on the receiving end of it,

455
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.079
and everything of Modern Warfare two felt
busted if you're in the serie black Ops.

456
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.759
I liked. It's not my favorite. I think it goes Modern Warfare

457
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.000
two. And then you talking about
the World War two when we're a sniper

458
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.960
in stalin Grad World at War it's
my second one. Baby, Oh no

459
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.079
talking about Duty one? Call of
Duty one? Is that like a prune

460
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:52.119
juice thing? You sippen? I
haven't played Call of Duty one? Um?

461
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.359
Maybe I should? Should I play
Call Duty one? Does that work

462
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:58.880
playing? Yes? Okay? Yes? Wow? That was emphatic. Well,

463
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.720
most of the campaign are like four
hours long. Um, they're still

464
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.640
like expensive? What they are?
I mean, this is like a twenty

465
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.800
year old game, and it's usually
twenty dollars, which is insane, and

466
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.559
it only ever goes on sale for
like fifty percent off, even at the

467
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.639
best of times. So maybe you
acquire it on the internet somehow. Yeah,

468
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:24.840
I don't know the I I've really
liked Call of Duty one because it

469
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.239
was an era When it came out
in like two thousand and three, I

470
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:35.639
had only played a couple first person
shooters um and uh uh. There were

471
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.519
multiple campaigns and main characters, and
it told these stories and then you shot

472
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:45.719
Nazis, so like the whole the
whole sequence of being in Stalingrad, uh

473
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:52.559
was heart wrenching because you're like a
Russian sniper and you're in these like destroyed

474
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:57.960
buildings. It looked like fallout.
It was insane. So it was I

475
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:02.119
vividly remember my my biggest memory the
World War Two, because it was World

476
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:07.159
War was the return to World War
Two for me anyway with that franchise was

477
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:13.280
my friend getting snowed in at my
house. Oh, which when you're a

478
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.639
high schooler is like it was the
coolest thing in the world. It was

479
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.199
so we could sled all day and
then at night we played it and I

480
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:27.320
remember we cranked up the Invasion of
Stalin grad to Max's difficulty and literally Resino,

481
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.639
the voice of Sergeant Resina burned into
my brain. But oh man,

482
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.840
what a story. Yeah all right, maybe I'll go back and play the

483
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.639
first one that sounds cool. I'm
a sucker for the one. I'm a

484
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.159
sucker for the World War two ones
as well. Like I was all excited

485
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:43.280
when they came back to World War
Two, and then that was not very

486
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.639
good. But they had World War
Two loot boxes, which I'm like,

487
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:52.119
this just feels wrong. This feels
like disrespectful of the greatest generation. Tom

488
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:59.239
Brokaw charging hands outstretched, clutching and
to Mac the loop box out of your

489
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:04.519
head, go back to the History
channel, shouts America's greatest journalists. I

490
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:09.119
just it just felt just just I
mean, there's a lot of jingoism.

491
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:15.280
I think it gets like tied up
with it, but there's something who just

492
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:21.119
it just like all of your loading
screen characters are on D Day and then

493
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:28.159
like the Normandy Beach and like a
loop bump sales down, Like I'm sorry,

494
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.159
what in the late stage capitalist hellscape
where we're looking at like it's just

495
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.639
it's just the whole thing just was
like I've said, there going what what

496
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.800
are we even doing here anymore?
Like, I don't know if I've said

497
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:43.320
this to you, but this is
one of my one of my catch phrases.

498
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.880
The answer to nine out of ten
questions is money. Yeah, you're

499
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.719
not wrong. That's first I've never
heard that. Just just my God,

500
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.840
Like just I there's a number of
times in in in life, but in

501
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.800
our late stage capitalism blah blahlah blah, where people are like, why is

502
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.639
is happening? From everything from like
the darkness to the grit to the stupidity

503
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.199
to everything in between, people say
why why? Why why screaming up at

504
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.760
the sky for any of these reasons
that at at ten times the answer could

505
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:15.480
me money. Why are there loop
boxes in my World War two game?

506
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.760
Like it sounds terrific and disrespectful,
and it is like, what's the real

507
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:24.199
answer? Do you actually want an
answer? Yeah, I just there is

508
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:29.239
money. I also would like to
put out I think colossal stupidity because like

509
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:31.960
you could have just made it a
menu. It didn't have to crash down

510
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.440
on D Day, Like, oh, just what the heck, dude,

511
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:39.000
what the heck? Oh man,
thank you for taking me on this this

512
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:45.000
journey Graham, You're very welcome.
I appreciate it, actually, I really

513
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.559
do. This has been fun.
I did not like when you pitch when

514
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.440
do you pitch this idea? I
was like, this is a weird idea,

515
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.559
and I kind of like it.
And I was like, I thought

516
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:52.320
I was gonna like it. I
don't think I was gonna love it as

517
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.679
much as I have loved it.
This has been awesome. And our booming

518
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:00.800
YouTube audience shout out to our booming
YouTube audience. Thanks every buddy, Actually,

519
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.639
hey shout. According to YouTube Analytics, we are up sixty seven percent

520
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:08.039
on viewership over the past ninety days. All Right, like Riley was like,

521
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:12.199
you know what, maybe I just
will never come back. No,

522
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.199
the desk must stay under desks and
pop out at least the rain Bog Week,

523
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:22.519
Bog Week, every year during Bog
Week, always um seventy five Graham.

524
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.840
All right, so we're creeping up, slowly moving up. So this

525
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.159
is a game from a series that
I adore, even games that weren't so

526
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:38.000
good, because there was a series
that I was always a little too good

527
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:43.920
at, and I've played from the
very beginning. My seventy five is soul

528
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:50.320
Caliber four. Nice. I love
soul Caliber, and I love soul Edge

529
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:55.880
from the PSX so Edge was awesome, And I love fighting games. Fighting

530
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:00.119
games are something that if you had
friends who played video games, you played

531
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.199
fighting games. Um. And oftentimes, like like you, I didn't have

532
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.159
a system at home for a long
time. UM, I would go to

533
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:13.559
friends houses and I would get my
butt handed to me at Mortal Kombat or

534
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.719
street Fighter or whatever. Later finding
my love for a street Fighter too turbo

535
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:22.559
um. But once I was playing
soul Edge and soul Caliber, and especially

536
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:29.280
soul Caliber two, I found I
was ridiculously good at it. Um.

537
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.760
Fighting games. UM. I'm sure
there's a lot smarter and more obsessed people

538
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.679
that could talk about it. But
for me, it's about timing. It's

539
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:43.960
about distance, um, and about
managing these these uh these these aspects of

540
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.840
real time. Yeah, um,
so what is your reach? Well with

541
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:51.960
a soul Caliber character, it was
immediately easy to tell, um with their

542
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.840
animations, it was immediately easy to
tell how far their their range was and

543
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.480
how fast those were going. With
things of when you were the like hand

544
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.519
to hand people you didn't always know
like who had the long reacher, who

545
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.239
was fast, or who had the
really sweet sweeping move. It was soul

546
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:13.440
Caliber with a little bit three dimensional
and I had already kind of cut my

547
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.840
teeth on tech End and realized,
oh, it's left hand, right hand,

548
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.480
left foot, right foot, which
I loved in the way that it

549
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:25.280
broke down the PlayStation controller. Uh, Soul Caliber was very similar, and

550
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:34.320
so it's sense of space always really
appealed to me, and the my little

551
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.800
nerd brain loved the different weapon ideas
of like a staff versus a katana versus

552
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:45.440
a big axe versus a Chinese broad
sword. That was rat and I'm I'm

553
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:50.679
shocked that more fighting games didn't do
that. Soul Californ wasn't great, but

554
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.400
I played it a ton and was
very, very very good at it.

555
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.880
I think if you couldn't tell from
my eyes popping out of my skull,

556
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.880
I love Soul Caliber. Sol Caliber
is probably my favorite fighting game of all

557
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.159
time. Do you have of the
series? Do you have a favorite soul

558
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.000
Caliber two? Because that was one
that came out on GameCube. That's my

559
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.679
favorite one. That is also my
favorite close like it washes all the other

560
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.400
ones for me, like it is
not close for for once. I completely

561
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.320
agree with you, not that I
think that you're ever wrong. I think

562
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.480
that our our perspectives are so different. Yeah, a lot of things right,

563
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:31.440
I will, I think exceptionable and
when you talk about like like pacing,

564
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:35.719
um, like a moveset, distance, timing, right, all the

565
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.519
stuff that makes it. I think
what made soul Caliber for me so special

566
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:45.119
was there was a true sense of
mastery with that game of mastering a character,

567
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.360
like the way that League of Legends
players talk about like oh I'm Maine,

568
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.880
this champion, Like I'm like,
oh I'm Maine Raphael, or like

569
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.079
like like my go to three were
always it was a Raphael because I just

570
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:06.480
his reach was cool. He that's
sick up and down thing you're killing m

571
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:12.559
My brother and I will do to
each other like over the phone sometimes um.

572
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.880
And then Nightmare who if so free
and going evil so hard to use

573
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.280
this dessert. I just remember hitting
a rotate and do an upward strike at

574
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:27.880
that just chunked someone for half their
hit points and the amount of sarahtonin that

575
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.960
I felt as half their life force
left their body. I'm like, oh,

576
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.719
oh is this yeah? Nightmare Wood
is one of the characters that I

577
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.519
was so good with I had to
stop using because I would play with my

578
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:43.880
friends and it was so demoralizing.
I was like, I'll try somebody else.

579
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:49.400
Yeah. I loved Nightmare Sweet and
Kissandra, who I love. I

580
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.440
loved her blitz style. I loved
her up close and personal. I was

581
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.280
like that whole game man. But
like all of the characters were cool.

582
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.599
That's the crazy part. Like all
of them felt like the cool character.

583
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:05.400
Everybody from Ashnaw with that big A
was ash Roth Aster Roth. That's his

584
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.679
name, almost called an asher Roth, and I'm like, that's a white

585
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.960
college rap boy rapper. Um,
it's like the heart over his chat Yeah

586
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.719
with Axe. And then like Yoshi
Mitsu, who was like that samurai dude

587
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.199
who was like part robot and we
never knew. Yeah, what a crate?

588
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.840
What a game? Link was in
the GameCube version, which was awesome

589
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:29.119
and was amazing too, so good, just that whole game was so good.

590
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:34.320
It started the the weird uh um
guest character thing for Soul Call,

591
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.639
because eventually you had like, uh, like Garrett, uh it's in Soul

592
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.239
Caliber. Yeah. Um. Spawn
was in the Xbox version. I remember

593
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.559
Spawn was the Xbox exclusive character.
And then who was it? It was

594
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:52.960
somebody from Techen wasn't it or I
like tech In and I don't care.

595
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.559
I didn't. Yeah, Like,
I'm like, that's the lamest cross every

596
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:59.280
one. I'm like Xbox Spawn,
which felt like nightmare on coke, and

597
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.280
I was like yeah yeah. And
then Link felt great. Link You like

598
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:06.159
you were like, oh my god, like, yeah, pretty rad.

599
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.360
And then you had the solo mode
which was amazing. Oh my god,

600
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.079
the dungeon solo mode where you would
just fight progressively harder opponents with like new

601
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.400
rule sets. I did that solo
all the time. The different weapon loadouts.

602
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:22.159
Yeah. I cared about the stories
of the characters. You know,

603
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:23.639
put a gun to my head and
asked me another fighting character's story. I

604
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:28.800
don't know. I can tell you
all about Rafael's adopted child, though I

605
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:31.280
don't know. I love before he
becomes a vampire in three. Oh my

606
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.880
god, he became a vampire in
three? Correct? Oh did I just

607
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.440
blow your mind? Yeah? I
assume you knew. No, I didn't

608
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:44.119
play three. Um we I liked
Rafael even though he's like kind of twirpy

609
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:49.360
and annoys and I guess like somewhere
behind behind closed doors, they were like,

610
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.280
all right, we gotta give him
the edge lord treatment, how do

611
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.320
we make Rafael cool? And they
made him a fricking vampire, which,

612
00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.960
like it was it smelled of desperation
to me, but maybe it was.

613
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.159
I don't think he needed a whole
lot of help to be an edge lord,

614
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.960
even more than he already was.
No, he was just annoying.

615
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.880
He was just like, yeah,
like you know, you know he hung

616
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:15.199
out at the hot topic on the
weekends once he was a vampire almost certainly.

617
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.719
But oh even before I was like, do you you have you have

618
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:25.000
some you're playing my chemical romance these
fights. I do love my chemical romance

619
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.800
though, but yeah, I love
so calidar. Oh man, oh man.

620
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.119
All right, uh Graham, we
got two more, all right.

621
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.360
Unlike the rest of this list,
I have hand curated these two because we're

622
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.719
gonna go. So you told us
your number two last week. Don't tell

623
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:43.920
them. Don't tell the audience.
Now they'll have They need to go back

624
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.159
and relisten. They need to find
it for themselves. Um, but what

625
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.519
is your number three? What is
the number three game? On a right?

626
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:57.039
Um? Gosh, how do I
even intro this game? Um?

627
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.079
This might be the first like truly
indie game I ever played. Um,

628
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:10.119
it completely rocked my world. UM. I wonder if the kind of discourses

629
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:15.599
come around to slap this game misdesigned
by two people, um and was so

630
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:21.480
defined by its music. I remember
walking into a house party and hearing this

631
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.519
game, hearing the music from this
game playing, and then walking up to

632
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:28.559
the host and being like, you've
played Hotline Miami and they're like, I

633
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:34.000
love Hotline Miami, man, and
I'm like, I a door Hotline Miami.

634
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.920
Um. No Home Miami is so
unique and fascinated and beautiful and I

635
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:43.039
love its story. There would be
no Devolver if not for Hotline Miami.

636
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:47.159
It's single handedly launched it. UM
made by these just like two weird dudes.

637
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:52.480
UM. There's plenty of awesome interviews. Go watch them online. They

638
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:58.320
just like look like these awesome like
seeing punk weirdos, and they're delightful,

639
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:05.199
and so much of the attitude was
dripping off you know. It's it's it's

640
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:10.880
not usual that something can say I'm
going to rip off something so distinctly and

641
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:14.559
then you create its own thing.
They were like, we really like drive

642
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.559
and violent video games. We want
to make something and they made this hard

643
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:23.079
boiled, weird, psychedelic nowir U, and then they just went around SoundCloud

644
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:28.480
and found artists they like and contacted
them and said, can we use the

645
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.519
music of the game. And now
a bunch of these people have like big

646
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.920
careers, and they were like eighteen
year old kids making music and posting them

647
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.119
online. So I love that part
of it too. I don't like the

648
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:45.239
second one nearly as much. I
think it overshot it. And I think

649
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:50.280
that every aspect of this game is
perfect. Um it's execution, its weapons,

650
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:55.760
it's control, its tone. I
had never really been an adrenaline driven

651
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:01.639
sort of gamer prior to this,
and this game completely showed me what this

652
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:07.199
aspect of gaming was. Um,
it's amazing, it's unique, it's perfect.

653
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:14.519
There are many pretenders and I think
it's but I mean it's This is

654
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.920
in my like top ten games of
all times, so Hotlin Miami, absolutely

655
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.079
exceptional. But I will always love
this game and I will always pick it

656
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:28.239
up and play it. Yeah,
I no notes I had the same experience.

657
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:31.760
I discovered it as an undergraduate.
Oh no, actually I bought it

658
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:37.000
for someone I would later stop being
friends with, which is crazy, which

659
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.599
is crazy. I don't know why
that like that that sticks in my craw

660
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:43.719
but now you can't hang out with
people who like Hotlin. It's a it's

661
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.840
a red flag. But I bought
I mean, but I bought it for

662
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:47.079
him, and I was like,
I'm never gonna play it because I associated

663
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:52.719
with this person for so long.
It wasn't until grad school that I picked

664
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.480
it up UM, and I was
like, I don't know. It was

665
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.920
like on sale. It was on
like a Hubble bundle, and I was

666
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.559
like, you know, I haven't
played a video game at UM. Grad

667
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:07.480
school was very stressful time in my
life. Loved it, UM great time,

668
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.719
but like stressful. And so when
I finally picked up that game,

669
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:17.519
I just remember being absolutely freaking gobsmacked, Like everything about it was just I

670
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:21.239
was like getting punched in the face. It was awesome. Like I was

671
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:22.679
like, oh my god. I
was like, what just happened? This?

672
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:28.119
You could do that in a game? And I was like, holy

673
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:34.719
what the on the and then the
and then this. I'm like it felt

674
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.239
like a kid being in the in
like a playground, like in the toy

675
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:42.440
box right right. Like I was
like, I loved I loved hot Live

676
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:50.840
made like it was a adrenaline fueled
LSD ridden fever dream of a game and

677
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.679
I loved every second of it.
I remember writing a screenplay for it.

678
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.000
It was a communication school for television, radio and film, and being like,

679
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.280
I just want to do the opening
scene where Jacket is sitting there in

680
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:05.440
his living room talking to and they're
like like killing and yeah, You're like,

681
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.039
what is this like? It could
be anything. It could be internal,

682
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:12.000
it could be you know, a
dream, it could be metaphorical.

683
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.360
Who are these people like? I
went out and wrote that a screenplay for

684
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.480
that scene because I'm like, I
want to film this with my friends,

685
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:21.639
and we never did, but I
was like, because we had other stuff

686
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.079
we had to do, because man, I just remember feeling there's no way

687
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:29.920
you could get this to film properly. I don't think we'll ever see a

688
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.960
Hotline Miami movie that does the story
any justice or the game any justice.

689
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:36.800
But it's called Drive. It's it's
the movie, just the movie Drive that

690
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:42.920
it ripped off. I don't even
think Drive was. The feelings I got

691
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.280
from Drive were just I don't know, there's nothing. I'll leave it with

692
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.800
this. There's nothing quite like Hotline
Miami. I agree, Yeah, there

693
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.320
truly is not. If you are
not um put off by gore or flashing

694
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:58.920
lights, um, do yourselves favored
and pick this one, or aggressive electronic

695
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:04.800
Music's laps. It's so good though, it's like, oh my god,

696
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.519
it's like the kind of techno mus
you go beat the breaks, it beats

697
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.320
you with your own hub caps,
Like it's just great. What a great

698
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:15.199
soundtrack. It's amazing. It's absolutely
incredible. Did a little little, little,

699
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.280
little little little lea. It's like, oh my god, dude,

700
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:22.719
it's just so good. As my
I think, I think the best review

701
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:27.800
or the best analysis of this game
is that it has driven you to beyond

702
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:36.840
words and you're just making noises.
But before that you were up. I

703
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.599
did the thing with the bad Yeah, it's just a five Miami. That's

704
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:43.639
yeah, that's all I Miami baby, that's it. It reduces us to

705
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.719
Gruz's grown men, to tiny,
tiny, tiny noise fits um and last

706
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:53.480
certain on the scram what is your
number one? All right? So in

707
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:59.639
the previous episode, I gave the
hint that this is the entire reason I

708
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:01.280
bought a PS three. I hadn't
bought a PS three. I was a

709
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:05.840
struggling student. I didn't have the
money. But then the previews for this

710
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:09.119
game started to come out, and
I'm trying to think about how I can

711
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:15.599
even lead you into it without giving
it away completely. It's open world,

712
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:22.840
Okay. It's made by a giant, extremely famous company that only comes up

713
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.599
with one game every so often.
It is not its most famous title,

714
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:37.199
but maybe number two. It's historical
game. Is it an Assassins Creed game?

715
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.119
No, it is not an assassins
Creed game. We've already done my

716
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:46.320
high Assassins Creed from this era.
Okay, hang it one more hint.

717
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:57.880
It's set in America at a burgeoning
time of East and West of civilization,

718
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:05.000
encroaching upon a h oh is it? Is it red dead Redemption? It

719
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:09.440
is red Dead? Redemption makes a
ton of sense. Um. Prior to

720
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:15.039
this game, Um, you had
Gun, which was a launch title for

721
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:19.840
this this era, which is okay, Um, you do scalp people in

722
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.519
it and get your health back by
drinking whiskey. So it's not really particularly

723
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:28.599
what you might consider classy. Um, but I kind of liked Gun for

724
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:30.320
its very limited scope. You could
play it on the BS two. Dude,

725
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:36.000
Like that's how like quote unquote next
genet was, um, but I

726
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:42.960
remember vividly uh as as one gets
older, the kind of cycle of hype

727
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:47.119
and hope about video game releases and
big companies like it really starts to wear

728
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:51.639
down on you. And so I
had not been this excited about a game

729
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:54.199
since I was a kid, in
which the idea of seeing a commercial for

730
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:59.360
something on TV to me incorrectly said, Oh, the company has faith and

731
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.119
faith in this thing, like they
they're excited about it as well. They

732
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:07.840
want me to find out about it. Rock Star came up with a series

733
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:14.199
of trailers and gameplay things showed about
all the ways, all the design work

734
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:20.079
that was being put into it.
I watched every single one absolutely religiously in

735
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.920
the newsroom where I was working at
the newspaper, and they would they would

736
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:25.760
post it, I'd watch it,
I'd watch it, I'd watch it.

737
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.480
And I had never been so convinced
that something was going to be great.

738
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:35.760
And so I like saved the money
and then went out and then got the

739
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.400
PS three and Red Dead Rims at
the same time, sat down played it.

740
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:46.599
And the fact that it nailed so
much of it did, and the

741
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:53.079
fact that it's so unique and interesting
I think goes to the performance of its

742
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:59.480
protagonist. That the writing is actually
good and interesting. It's a five act

743
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:04.360
Western. I'm not going to be
talking about spoilers here because I would never

744
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:08.880
want to spoil this game for anybody, but I will say if you ever

745
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:12.760
go back and play Red Dead Redemption, the game is not over until the

746
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:17.719
credits roll. There's some shocking stuff
that happens where you haven't seen the credits

747
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.679
yet and it's so devastating. And
then when you finally get to this like

748
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:28.480
cathartic moment, the journey of what
you've done really feels epic in a way

749
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:35.360
that only the greatest Westerns have and
do. The performance of John Marston,

750
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.480
the protagonist is unique because it was
a guy who had struggled to go to

751
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:44.880
La, hadn't really done so got
cast and that was kind of his last

752
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:49.559
project before he then got married and
went home to the Midwest and started a

753
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:53.000
family. There are other really interesting
documentaries about this guy. There's a reason

754
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:59.440
why John Marston feels so special as
a performance and a characters because he is

755
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.320
doesn't feel like a video game character. He doesn't feel like you know,

756
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:08.800
Troy Baker or somebody like. He
feels like a person. And um Rock

757
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:15.880
Start had tried to tell mature stories. Um, and is it's kind of

758
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:21.119
not their thing. Yeah, they
don't know how to balance tone and red

759
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:24.639
dead redemption. The first one,
didn't really like the second one spoilers,

760
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:30.840
uh stuck the landing so beautifully.
It's like one of the best examples of

761
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:37.039
a triple A experience that I can
really ever imagine. I again, ten

762
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.280
out of ten no nos. Like. So, I grew up watching westerns.

763
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.280
My grandfather, Um, so like
guns, smoke or were talking about

764
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.920
Oh oh both yes, Um,
both my grandparents loved westerns. My grandfather

765
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.039
I grew up like exposed to that, and I don't think I ever truly

766
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:57.239
got it until I played Reddette.
I played Red Dead Redemption, but I

767
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:05.599
was like, oh, oh this
this this feeling of loss and melancholy but

768
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:13.119
also of triumph. This is why
you watch westerns, particularly in my mind.

769
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.960
So I have since become a big
fan of westerns. Shocker. But

770
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.159
the thing that I have always liked
and enjoyed about westerns is a lot of

771
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.519
Westerns feel like stories about cycles,
whether those are cycles of violence or cycles

772
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:30.840
of progress, cycles of corruption,
cycles of redemption, but cycles and red

773
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:37.280
dead redemption is it pulls off the
greatest trick. I think of delivering an

774
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.000
incredible ending to a story that feels
earned, that does not feel rushed,

775
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:45.639
that feels like it gives each and
every one of its characters the nuance and

776
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.519
payoff they deserve, regardless of how
minor a player in the story those characters

777
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:55.000
are. But much like every great
movie with an ambiguous ending leaves me questioning

778
00:57:55.039 --> 00:58:00.639
about what will become of everyone that
remains when the story is over, because

779
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.880
of what kind of cycle they have
found themselves in. Um, I think

780
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.559
it's the story is exceptional. Um. I was gonna ask you if you

781
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:14.000
have watched Finding John Marston, the
mini documentary the Polygon did. Was gonna

782
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:15.360
say, but but no, that
was exactly what I was referenceding. I

783
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.760
know, as soon as you started
talking about I was like, Graham watched

784
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:22.440
it. Um, but I think
you are absolutely right to point out the

785
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:30.840
spectacular voice work because it and it
feels so natural in many ways, Because

786
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:32.639
I think in a lot of ways, the guy who plays John Marston kind

787
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:38.480
of is John Marston exactly. He's
not playing a character. John Marston feels

788
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:42.280
like a person because he is a
real person. Yeah, he's the guy

789
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:46.840
who played him. It's such a
unique performance in video games and storytelling,

790
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:53.079
and yeah, it's just and if
I'm smiling and laughing, if you're watching

791
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:57.880
us doing this on YouTube or if
you're listening to it, um, he's

792
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:01.440
such a delight like to watch if
you're interested in storytelling or in acting in

793
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.559
general, like I am, and
I know Graham, I know you are

794
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.920
too. Then then if you're interested, like we are, watched the fine

795
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.159
in John Marston. I'll plug someone
else's stuff like right now, but it

796
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:15.840
is. Polygon did an exceptional little
mini documentary on this guy and his life

797
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:20.960
and like the importance of his family, the importance of like where he grew

798
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.000
up, and like how he treats
people, and you're like, holy dude,

799
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:29.880
if you are like you are two
six shooters and a bad hangover away

800
00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:34.280
from being John Marston, Like it
really is. I don't know. It

801
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.960
goes beyond method acting. It transcends
it to just be somebody who inhabits a

802
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:40.920
role, and whose role I think
inhabits a part of their life. And

803
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:47.039
like, what a what a wild
time? My I have not played a

804
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:51.559
whole lot of red dead redemption too, so I will reserve judgment on it

805
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:57.199
until I get a little more under
my legs. Um, but I will,

806
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:01.280
I will say, um see you
already broached some of this. But

807
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:06.199
let me ask you, in like
a broad sense, why why do you

808
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:10.760
like Red Dead Redemption? One?
Well, John Marson, I think is

809
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.480
it? And like, so that's
and I think that's unfair because I think

810
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.440
Arthur Morgan's an interesting protagonist. No
he's not. Oh, I think he

811
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.400
is. Um, this is this
is the other thing. I have never

812
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:27.239
beaten Red Dead Redemption. I have
played a lot of Red Dead Redemption,

813
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.679
but I've never beaten it. You
haven't seen the credits role I have because

814
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:35.280
I have watched the game played through
multiple times. I've treated it like a

815
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.239
Western movie, and I literally am
like, you know what, I don't

816
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.360
ever have to beat this. I
don't ever have to pick this control up

817
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.760
and play this ever again, because
what an experience to have had it.

818
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:52.639
That's where I'm going to disagree with
you. Really. I like the attitude

819
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.880
that you have about a lot of
these games, and I think that early

820
01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.679
on, when Let's plays, we're
new, I didn't understand it very quickly.

821
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.079
I realized that there was all kinds
of reasons for interact with them for

822
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:10.000
find individuals that do it for very
simply. You know, if you don't

823
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:15.239
have the money and you can't buy
every Triple A release, but you don't

824
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:16.039
want to be out of it,
but you want to be around the water

825
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:20.440
cooler as it were, or the
playground and understand what's going on with the

826
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.679
game and be able to talk about
it like that's so vital. Plus,

827
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:28.880
the Internet is about making communities,
so that's that's part of it. I

828
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:34.519
think that my favorite games, especially
in this top ten, are only because

829
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:38.079
I personally experienced them and the memories
that I have being part of it,

830
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.639
the choices that I made, the
points in which I was so struck that

831
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:46.159
I had to put the controller down
and think about it. Red Dead Redemption

832
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:52.199
did that for me many times.
And I feel like watching it like a

833
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:57.039
Western does a disservice to that.
Really. See, I don't know,

834
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.519
I disagree. I think I was. You haven't played it so well.

835
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:01.920
I have. I have played it. I've I've probably logged. I want

836
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:06.079
to say, like six seven hours
in Red Dead. Um, that's not

837
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:08.119
nearly enough. Yeah, And I'm
sure I'm gonna hear that from people too

838
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:12.239
who listen to this episode and who
watched this episode? But I, I

839
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.440
don't know. I really enjoyed getting
a chance to just for once. And

840
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.639
this is so crazy because my number
one argument for games and the importance of

841
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:22.480
games and games his art is there's
no other medium that makes you an active

842
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:27.920
participant in the story that you are
telling, right, Um, But I

843
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:32.960
just I don't know role playing games, imagination game. When I when I

844
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.519
say games, I'm not just strictly
talking about video games. I think board

845
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:39.559
games are art. I think RPG's
are art. I think absolutely so when

846
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:44.039
I say games, I am not
limiting it to to one spectrum. But

847
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.280
I just I don't know. I
liked being able to take to just take

848
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:51.519
it in. I don't know,
And maybe I'm missing something I could be

849
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:55.800
um in my my very limited time. But like I just I don't know.

850
01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:00.480
I've never I'm not a huge let's
play guy. I've never a whole

851
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:05.559
game played through except for Reddead,
and I don't know what it is.

852
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:09.199
So I too, and oh I
watched bits of Fire. I've never watched

853
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:12.280
the Well no, I have watched
fark right too. I guess you're right,

854
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.519
I guess, but never as many
more that you have never in your

855
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:21.719
Reddead was all in one set.
I'm like, there, there was like

856
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:25.559
a I think it was on TV. They edited together Red Dead one and

857
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:29.960
then put it together and this like
thing and then put it up on somewhere.

858
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:32.880
Do you remember this? I think
so. Yeah. The jaw popping

859
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:37.039
was because you just unlocked a core
memory that I I think tech TV did

860
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.840
it. I guess it was G
four at that point. Um, and

861
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:45.559
it was edited together by somebody with
a real name, like yeah, I

862
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:49.920
want to say it was like David
Fincher or somebody like yeah, it was.

863
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.159
It was like some some Hollywood dude. It was like, this is

864
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:53.599
so good, I can cut it
together and make a movie. And they

865
01:03:53.639 --> 01:04:00.400
were correct, And there I disagree. I think that they experience that you

866
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.840
have the personal connections with these people
and the choices you make, and how

867
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:09.320
it messes with you. You've you've
already talked about why it's so wonderful to

868
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:13.920
be an experiential experience in which you
are taking part actively in it. I

869
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.599
turn it into a movie, you're
ripping out a core experience. It's really

870
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:21.960
just like interest, you know,
it's it's it's all of a sudden it

871
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:27.920
gets turned into an animatronic ride.
You see these characters as you drift past,

872
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.840
but you don't actually get to interact
with them in any kind of meaningful

873
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.239
way. It's playing at a real
emotion, but unless you were there and

874
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:38.320
involved getting that ego death, that
lack of body and sense of self,

875
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:44.159
then it's just not the same thing. Well, and that it might prompt

876
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.760
a replay for me, or it
might prompt a new anew of it for

877
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.480
me, because like I said,
I'm not opposed to it, I don't

878
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:53.960
think, but man, I don't
know. I just I had such a

879
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:58.159
weird experience, not a yeah,
transformative experience. Just watching it was kind

880
01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.400
of an interesting moment. So I
don't disagree. I think it's a phenomenal

881
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:03.599
choice for your number one game though. That is. Yeah, it's just

882
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:09.159
awesome. That's just it's probably the
last Triple A game that I truly loved.

883
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:14.440
UM at the stage in my in
my gaming, I'm going back and

884
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:20.840
playing things that I don't remember very
well or missed from like the UM early

885
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:27.400
nineties and all the way up through
uh kind of when I started playing console

886
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:31.159
games, UM and UH, any
kind of modern things that I missed her

887
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:35.599
made by one or two people or
a small team like this is what interests

888
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.880
me in terms of design. Um
and I just don't play a lot of

889
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:42.760
these games anymore. Yeah, no, I don't know. I don't own

890
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.719
an Xbox One. I don't know
ow a PS five. Sometimes I play

891
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.039
them at other people's houses. Um
uh, but they don't do anything for

892
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:53.599
me. I've played both Knew God
of Wars. They didn't really do anything

893
01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:59.559
for me. Yeah, um I
I I'm looking for something to surprise me

894
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:04.400
in cha allunge me and Red Dead
Redemption did that for me. And uh,

895
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:10.159
there's a reason why it's here,
representing this generation generation I think.

896
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:15.079
I don't think it's a I don't
think it's h hyperbole to say it is

897
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.760
one of the greatest artistic statements of
that generation. Yeah, and if not

898
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:25.639
the greatest, didn't maybe go but
I mean only right. It's not quite

899
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:30.639
hot Line Miami. We just might
have played more Hotline Miami than you've played

900
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:32.599
the Red Interdemption. If you played
more Red Interdemption, you might have gone.

901
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:34.840
Maybe. I don't. I don't
know if I would. I just

902
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:40.039
think, imagine though, what if
we Frankenstein together? The hot Line Miami

903
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:45.360
soundtrack and put it right, it
would be perfect, perfect creation. It

904
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:51.559
would be insane. I mean I
I often I believe people complain about music

905
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:54.559
in games. When people talk about
that, they're like, oh, I

906
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:59.559
can't believe that that's in a loube. I I will frequently turn the music

907
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.320
off on game and then put in
my own music or listen to it.

908
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:08.159
And one of my defaults is the
like retro wave thumping stuff. So I

909
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:13.679
can very easily imagine play Red Dead. Although Red Dead's music is fucking yeah,

910
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:17.400
it's luti, it's beautifredible, a
send up of all of the best

911
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:21.519
Western stuff. There's some subtle stuff
in it too. We've already been talking

912
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:26.119
about it for so long. But
like there's like contextual music that comes in

913
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.679
and I again, it's this experiential
thing. There's so many moments that I

914
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:32.599
feel like in Red Dead that you
had to be there. I have a

915
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:36.880
vivid memory of the first time I
was going over a hill after finally getting

916
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:40.760
New Mexico and I'm like, what
is this, you know? And like

917
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:44.280
this whole new land. You're going
over these new hills and dunes and you

918
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:47.920
see that the the animals are different, the plants are different, and the

919
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:53.599
music links in and then all of
a sudden there's a like one little true

920
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.320
and I lost my mind because there
hadn't been a trumpet in all of the

921
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.519
soundtrack to that point, and you
would just gone all around these areas,

922
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.280
you know, explored, and then
you were in Mexico and you were like,

923
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:08.039
what is it gonna be? And
it was the sound that hit me

924
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:13.119
so hard emotionally. So that's all. I love it. I love it.

925
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.719
I love it now. I'm just
I'm sitting going like yeah, because

926
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:18.600
I'm like I remember watching and be
like oh and then the game them the

927
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:24.520
music and the oh ah, yeah
there we go. We got there,

928
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:27.000
We got there. The musical cues
too for some of the characters I think

929
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.199
are really interesting. Um and foreshadows
some stuff which I think is also kind

930
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:34.760
of cool as well. Um,
whoever the who's the composer on that game?

931
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.680
God? I want to high five
them so bad, like you,

932
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:45.520
you did a great job. Just
run off. It's there, it is.

933
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:47.960
There's my number one. That is
that's beautiful number one. Um Graham.

934
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:53.840
Any final thoughts about this list about
your one twenty seven, any insights

935
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.880
other than just absolutely blowing my mind
about open world games that you would like

936
01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:01.760
to share with all of us.
Um from you, Yeah, your your

937
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:09.439
experience here. It was really fascinating
to really kind of delve into the different

938
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.920
sections of these games and what they
meant. Um, this really was the

939
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:19.439
last generation of Triple A games that
I played earnestly, where I was going

940
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:26.279
and buying used games for cheap and
playing them through and everyone I knew owned

941
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.840
these consoles, so there was a
sense of community here. Yeah. I

942
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:34.239
have tried to reclaim and other forms, and it's always been quite different.

943
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:40.840
Um. The people who I know
who own consoles are few and far between,

944
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:45.880
and most of the friends that I
have are from cons or the internet.

945
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:50.520
Um, this really was kind of
like a college personal experience where people

946
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:54.520
I knew were doing these games and
then talking about him and he'd you'd go

947
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:58.239
out for drinks, you'd hang out
and this This was a sense of community.

948
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.039
So that is I think. Even
though as I look over the list,

949
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.560
God, I want to say,
like over seventy percent of them are

950
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:10.039
not very good or games that I
would never play ever again. UM,

951
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:15.840
plenty of which are amazing, like
the top twenty or so basically like Hell

952
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:24.359
Divers down. What I what I
have always said about video games is that

953
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:29.520
I want to play them with people. Couch co op is always the ideal.

954
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:33.159
There's just something really really special.
My favorite memories of all video games

955
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:39.960
of my entire life are sitting on
a couch with my buddy and you know,

956
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:45.479
we're playing Halo two and killing each
other. Instead of killing the people,

957
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:49.720
there was a long hallway and we
found ghosts and we jumped in them,

958
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:53.239
and instead of playing, we played
a game where one person would run

959
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:56.640
and grab the ghost and you'd run
each other down. Yeah, and then

960
01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.399
you'd respond and you'd do it again, and we played that forever, over

961
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:05.560
an hour. I think that's why
I lost interest with this stuff. Eventually,

962
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:09.640
I did playing everything I could get
my hands on since I was a

963
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:13.199
kid. I think that's why I
went to board games. More seriously,

964
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.840
why I realized that role playing games
were really what I wanted, this creative

965
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:23.439
expression, this shared experience with other
people collaborating. So as a result,

966
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:29.359
like this is an era and one
that is fairly distant the past for me,

967
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:32.560
because I've found the things that feel
closer to my heart, which is

968
01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:36.279
board games is role playing games,
which is a community with people that I

969
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:42.800
love and making things with those people. You know it. Hearing you talk

970
01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.319
about it, it makes me realize
why I haven't gone back and finished read

971
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.119
that or any of the games that
I had on my console for as long

972
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.279
as I did. Whereas I was
like I, by the time that I

973
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:56.640
was able to do it, the
community of video gamers that were around me

974
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.239
were gone, and I think I
really wanted to share that experience with someone

975
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:05.199
there, Like, um, your
your ghost thing reminds me of in Saint

976
01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:09.479
Row, we used to have a
thing where we would do cop card shousting.

977
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:13.840
You would eat together, you would
steal a cop card and you'd get

978
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:15.680
on one into the street and you'd
ram it at each other full speed,

979
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:21.760
and whoever was ejected from their window
lost perfect in the Perfect game, the

980
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:26.159
perfect game, or like or playing
Battlefront two, so wears the battle Front

981
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:30.359
two in my dorm room in college
and not telling anybody that I had spent

982
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:34.279
over a thousand hours a battle Front
two at least, like I had every

983
01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:41.079
metal unlocked in Legendary and no one
knew until I basically soloed an entire map.

984
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:44.880
We lost anyway, but they were
like, holy, what the how

985
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:46.640
did you in what universe? And
I was like, oh, I played

986
01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:50.319
this game like like a ton and
then us just playing that at nauseum or

987
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:54.560
like but you still lost? I
don't know, I did it stucked.

988
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:57.119
It was awful. I put the
team on my back and still lost.

989
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.479
It's my shoulders still hurt from that. If I ever rub then that's because

990
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:06.000
they're still sore from college um or
like playing Halo multiplayer split screen after prom,

991
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:09.199
like the first problem I was ever
brought to. It was a sophomore

992
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:11.840
in high school. Was like I
brought a bunch of my friends who were

993
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.079
juniors, like, dude, you're
you're cool, You're gonna coming to prom.

994
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:15.840
I was like, all right,
I don't know what any of that

995
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:20.520
means, but okay, and literally
Halo after the guy. Yeah, the

996
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:23.800
the guys were like, yo,
do you want to play Halo? At

997
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:26.600
this point, I had never played
Halo before. Sure, yeah, and

998
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.439
it was awesome. It was it
was so BROI it was like it was

999
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:35.840
I only played Halo with like other
people's friends. My friends never played Halo,

1000
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:40.720
and I was terrible. I was
terrible a multiplayer because everyone knew how

1001
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.520
to play it, and it was
always these bro yes dudes just like wrecking

1002
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:47.760
me. Yeah, yeah, I
just but it's all those experiences that I'm

1003
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:50.279
like, you know, I think
you're right. I think that's why that's

1004
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:54.439
why I've stopped playing games for the
most part, um, with a few

1005
01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:59.319
exceptions. And I think that's why
I've gravitated to board games is because you

1006
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:03.760
can't do that without a community.
UM. And the community is what makes

1007
01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:12.399
those experiences I'm worth playing. UM. I think that's a good sentiment to

1008
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:16.600
end our episode on before the weird
question, unless because you you told me

1009
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:20.600
you're gonna ask you a weird question, I'm I'm excited. UM. Before

1010
01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:25.239
that, however, a huge hearty
thank you to everybody who backed Fear within

1011
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:28.279
UM. Like I said at speaking
of the episode, Riley was here,

1012
01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:32.680
Um, all of the hundred or
so copies. I think it's like Gallamine

1013
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:40.800
we're gonna create. You have an
every every single Lord of the Rings Gollamine

1014
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:45.520
underneath your feet. I do Gimli
a lot. You You move very slowly

1015
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:51.279
and yes, and can ruffly tell
your life friends that you love them.

1016
01:14:51.520 --> 01:15:00.520
Yeah. Actually that's that feels very
accurate. Trust me, don't tell me

1017
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:09.239
I need a box. I can't
say I love may call this a mine

1018
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:15.479
a mine. That's my favorite Gimblei
line because he's such a moron and I

1019
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:20.399
make it swarmed. I love,
I love Ghimbli. So somebody, somebody,

1020
01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:24.279
because somebody's trying to explain Himbo energy
to me and they're like, it's

1021
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:28.960
that look at Ghimli gim Ghimbli.
I haven't heard that one, and that's

1022
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:30.880
good. And I was like,
he's he's he's a little more toxic than

1023
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:33.640
than than Himbo's tend to be.
But I'll give it to him. He's

1024
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:35.720
taught. Oh, I don't think
he's toxic at all. I think he's

1025
01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:41.600
just he's a grumpy idiot and he
doesn't get wrong's wrong until like way at

1026
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:45.840
the end. I love him.
He's he's bob buddy. Um, but

1027
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:51.119
no sinsily, thank you everybody who
backs froth in Um. Like I said,

1028
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:55.159
like Riley said, we're gonna be
chipping this out over the next month,

1029
01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:58.039
so some of you are actually gonna
get early. Um, we can't

1030
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:00.479
promise that everyone is going to get
it early because we're gonna be shipping out,

1031
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:02.640
you know, in waves. We're
gonna be doing the best we can

1032
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:05.359
to get that out. But um, sincerely, thank you to everybody who

1033
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:08.960
backed it, everybody who is a
part of it, everybody who made ten

1034
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:15.159
thousand razors sharp slugs m So again, huge thank you to all of you.

1035
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:17.199
You were all amazing. We love
you and we really appreciate you.

1036
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:24.199
Second game in the Tank for Destined
Works, I can formally announce we've got

1037
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:27.680
two projects. But by the way, my first level one game is called

1038
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:31.479
in the Tank? Is it really? Yeah? You You play a colony

1039
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:35.399
of algae slowly becoming trying to become
a sentient and trying to stave up death.

1040
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:41.159
Amazing. Before every round the character
has to begin narration within the tank

1041
01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:44.239
and then they describe something that's changed
in the tank. Fantastic. Um,

1042
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:46.720
I'll have to I need to download
that. That I download that that version

1043
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:50.680
of Level one. I'll probably just
I'll probably just like reproduce it and put

1044
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:53.880
it on it or something. Do
it all right, let me know when,

1045
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:57.560
But sincerely thank you for everybody.
This is our second project as Deskin

1046
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:01.239
Works, and I can formally announced
we've got two more projects next year.

1047
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:04.560
Um. So if you're are a
fan of our work and you like it.

1048
01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:09.199
M we've got two more coming next
year. You get after the rain

1049
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:12.399
over at IPR. You could of
course get digital copies of all the stuff

1050
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.920
on it. Shout iou, including
for within the digital copies. If you

1051
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:18.159
are a digital backer, you've got
your copy like two three months ago.

1052
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:25.640
Um so because we that layout was
done. So but any case, um,

1053
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:27.680
yeah, I think it's time for
a word question, gam Are you

1054
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:32.479
ready? Absolutely? Are you ready? Yes? And also no simultaneously,

1055
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:36.199
but it doesn't matter glad anyway.
All right, So, if you're watching

1056
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:43.880
on YouTube, perhaps you've noticed that
behind me is a Airy era specific image

1057
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:48.319
of a woman on a seaside beach
with the human head, a nice hat

1058
01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:53.560
a paracel on the body of a
shrimp. So to that end, one

1059
01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:59.000
morning, one morning, when Kyle
at woke from troubled dreams, he found

1060
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:04.239
himself transfer formed in his bed into
a horrible blank You've been turned into a

1061
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:09.239
monsterosity like this, Kyle. Uh, you have the body of some kind

1062
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:13.000
of food, but you still have
your head. Okay, what is the

1063
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:18.560
worst thing you can imagine? The
body? Probably? Um, I was

1064
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:23.000
gonna say food, but technically that
works. Yeah, it is right,

1065
01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:25.800
because like I was thinking about like
the best one, like if I was

1066
01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:29.680
a giant lobster. I feel like
that's just a strict upgrade. Big Why

1067
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:33.319
I said worst fun idea of waking
up from troubled dreams and finding yourself transformed

1068
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:36.439
in your bed is you look down
at your body and your body is some

1069
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:40.359
kind of food. I think it's
I think it's got to be a snail.

1070
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.920
I think because you would track slime
everywhere, which would stink just from

1071
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:48.079
a just a general like cleanliness perspective, as somebody who's I do. But

1072
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:55.800
I am slow and like airborne chemicals
can kill me, like salt kills me.

1073
01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:01.880
Like I die too literally everything like
I can't imagine. I don't know,

1074
01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:06.159
Like maybe that's maybe that's good.
Maybe then your existence is cut short.

1075
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:11.159
You know, Yeah, I almost
want to be an eternal lobster overlord.

1076
01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.159
But you know, I think it's
it's got to be snail, I

1077
01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:15.640
think. So that's not the weird
question. Yes, was a good thing,

1078
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:17.880
Yeah, no, snail, snail
still my pick. I'm going my

1079
01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:21.079
gun on this one. U.
S Cargo makes me want to be s

1080
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:24.680
car gone um, and that's that's
gonna be it. Well, you would

1081
01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:29.079
be very quickly, very quickly,
I think I'm going to answer banana,

1082
01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:33.600
because I would slowly appeel myself,
uh and my I would be the suggestion

1083
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:38.840
of limbs. So I would be
taunted by having these peel like tentacles that

1084
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:42.960
I would attempt to to, you
know, turn the door knob with it

1085
01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:45.680
would fail utterly, and I think
the horror, the sorrow would overcome may

1086
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:50.439
because of what I was being taunted
by, um, a banana with a

1087
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:56.640
human head. You have watched Community, right the I like the first three

1088
01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:59.239
or four seasons, Okay, just
all I could think about is the after

1089
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.319
credits thing was it's Abed and Troy, the two characters, and they're sitting

1090
01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:06.239
in the top for those of year
and yeah thank you where they're just they're

1091
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:10.119
sitting to these two characters, they're
best friends. They're sitting and they're aft

1092
01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:12.439
after Halloween party. One of them
is dressed like Batman and one of the

1093
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.880
other ones dressed like young Michael Jackson, and they're both talking in the Batman

1094
01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:19.359
voice, like do you ever I
love candy corn a kind of safety cones?

1095
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:21.920
Do you do you ever think about
it? Like if you woke up

1096
01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:26.079
as a candy corn. You'd eat
yourself. I wouldn't even think about it.

1097
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:28.840
And there's just like a long pause, like I'm glad I have someone

1098
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:30.359
to talk to you about this.
Just that's all I can think about.

1099
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:33.359
When you're like, oh about your
bananas, It's like I would I'd eat

1100
01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:35.359
myself. I wouldn't even think about
it. I wouldn' even question it.

1101
01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:40.199
Start I'm afraid you were gonna go
pickle Rick, because I realized with this

1102
01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:42.279
question, Oh no, no,
no, no, no no, I

1103
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:45.560
was not gonna go pay I think
I've had enough pickle Rick. I think

1104
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:51.079
to last a lifetime, as I
imagine the Dan Harmin connections. So yeah,

1105
01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:55.479
yeah, I'm more of a community. I'll be a community stand probably

1106
01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:59.199
forever. But in any case,
guys, that has been the end of

1107
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:02.520
our amazing PlayStation run. Graham,
thank you again for for ranking one hundred

1108
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:06.159
and twenty seven PlayStation game. It
was my pleasure and it was it was

1109
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:09.399
my pleasure of well to listen to
and to go on that journey with you.

1110
01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:11.840
If you have all liked this again, you can follow us on all

1111
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:15.359
of your podcast websites. All that
Jazz get a copy of fear within after

1112
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:19.439
the rain and then uh, you
know, when Graham puts in the tank

1113
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:21.840
on h dot Io will let you
know, and then you can you can

1114
01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:27.239
support your sentient algae masters. Oh
yeah, so I think that's gonna be

1115
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:32.000
it for our episode. So until
then, zippity zap zao, stay buggy,

1116
01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:35.640
especially if you're at desk. Goodbye, everybody,