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All right? Welcome back to another episode. My friend Cameron McGregor joins
us. You know, I'm still a little sick. Excuse me. Cameron
has joined us a couple of times and we've had some really good conversations about
masculinity, economics, about sexuality, the dating market. Today, we want
to get into some other issues relating to some geopolitics, a little bit of
economics, and Cameron wants to get into the topic of the rise of mascot
and nationalism. So why don't we start with maybe the video that you recently
did. The last video did was called Winter is Coming, and you talked
about the fourth turning and then you talked about the vacuous nature of the economic
system. You've been pretty accurate in the last year or two since I've known
you, talking about how the economic system is really just a bunch of it's
all vacuus, it's empty, it's basically you know, FIA, it's all
based around that it's collapsing. Catch us up on that first, and what
do you mean by first of all, tell us about for turning, why
it matters that book, and then what is the winter that you think is
coming? Sure? Well, thanks for having me on again. Jay.
It's always a pleasure to talk to you. I always enjoy your live streams
and I read as much of your material as I can, so as always,
thanks for your perspective. It's always been helpful for me. We're living
in interesting times, no doubt, and my sense is that the rate of
change is beginning to accelerate around the world. So I did a video recently
talking about history in terms of seasons, and that's not a new concept.
Most historians that have talked about broader sweeps of history, whether it's Spangler or
Toynbee or a guy that I'm going to talk about with you on this show
today, even Hal Doon, they all talked about civilizations evolving in the grand
expanse of time in a kind of cyclical fashion, much like seasonal change.
And so in the late nineties there was a book that addressed many of these
themes by I think doing a good job of assimilating lots of different influences Toynbee
and Spangler and others into a very readable, structured book called the Fourth Turning,
and the Fourth Turning essentially argues that generations change or evolve in a life
cycle. I think he called it a seculum that consists of a pattern.
And we are in what he called or what the authors called. There's a
couple of Neil how and I always forget the other one. We are in
what they call the fourth Turning, and the Fourth Turning is I think a
twenty year It's like a two decade period of time in which you get the
completion of a cycle. And I would tend to agree with that. It's
impossible to know where to demarket these cycles exactly. It's not precise. But
they chose the year two thousand and five, which is interesting because that comes
just ahead of two thousand and eight, a very key pivotal moment in the
history of the United States, and that sets the stage for where we are
today financially, meaning that the demolition of the financial system really began in two
thousand and eight because of leverage. There's just simply too much debt and not
enough underlying economic growth underneath it, and there was really no solution in two
thousand and eight other than to let the whole system implode and restructure or reset,
which we didn't allow, or to permit governments to absorb all of those
liabilities on public ledgers, which is what we did. The problem with doing
that, of course, is that that doesn't eradicate the problem, it just
redistributes it. And so that brings us to today, in which, all
of a sudden, we are now beginning to experience, in my view,
Jay, the early stages of debt capacity. And while these words are these
terms that a lot of these economists and investment analysts use, are very esoteric,
they're hard to follow in many respects. At the end of the day,
there's too much debt in the system and there's not enough growth, and
you reach an inflection point in which the debt starts to eat away at the
growth itself. In the West, we tend to call that financialization. I
think that's a good word to use. But the financial system is growing and
growing and growing and growing, and that's best embedded in the federal government itself.
Right. I mean, one wonders, if our revenues aren't growing exponentially,
how is government spending growing exponentially? Well, that's because of the financial
system. The financial system compensates for lack of revenue, lack of real growth
to sustain it. So we're at a critical stage of imbalance. And interest
rates are rising, and they're rising not just because the Federal Reserve, the
Central Bank of the US is increasing them to deal with inflation. They're rising
because the debts in the system are beginning to roll over, and that means
that the cost of capital goes up. It means that banks, households,
governments are beginning to tighten their budgets to whether the storm. And that storm
is this wintery hardship, this age of scarcity, as I call it,
in which everybody buckles down to sort of survive this collapse of the financial system.
And we're in the early stages of that. It appears. Yeah,
we already saw the rumblings of this, like you said two thousand and eight
with the housing collapse, and then we had in just you know, post
COVID, Right, we have a bunch of banks collapsing, Silicon Valley Bank,
We have all these tremors in the crypto arena of these frauds and basically
Democrat Party moneylinering and operations like FTX, all that collapsing and yet bitcoin,
and yet crypto is still here, still running strong. I mean Bitcoin is
up one hundred and forty percent in the last year. So, you know,
I was actually really impressed with a lot of your breakdowns that you do.
You kind of do these in depth slides where you do periodic updates to
the market and you do a lot of traveling, a lot of research,
and you were you were pretty spot on, and you were talking about how,
you know, look for in the coming months, with a lot of
these traditional trad five places going out of business and collapsing, look for the
rise in crypto. It may not be immediate, it might be in the
near future, but you know, I use that time to accumulate in the
last year, and here we are with one hundred and forty percent returns I've
always I believed in bitcoins is twenty seventeen. You did a great video the
other day a couple of weeks ago, and the bitcoins time is now.
I know that we're you know, the crypto market is still small compared to
you know, the rest of the markets, even the gold market, but
we're beginning to see with the what looks like will be approval of et for
bitcoin Blackrock and others. Of course, this is sort of a double edged
sword because my suspicion is that Blackrock is interested in bitcoin not just because of
its fundamentals and its store of value and all that, but also perhaps to
try to try to control it. I think maybe they want to get in
because they think, oh crap, maybe this is the future. We've got
to get in here early and you know, try to steer this into some
sort of manipulation tool. What do you think about all that? It's us
about your idea is on bitcoin electric video and do you think we're at this
point where it really is Bitcoin's time? Will it be another cycle before we
start to see that? And is Blackrock really moving into this to control it?
Yeah, So let's just say at the outset, because when it comes
to bitcoin, there's so much emphasis on the price in fiat, and you
know, prices are erradic Obviously, over the last decade, bitcoin's performance has
been media work, and that in of itself is tremendous. The question is
what is bitcoin? And that's I think where we need to really orient ourselves.
Bitcoin emerged out of the cipherpunk movement, which was centered in San Francisco
in the nineties, and at that time cryptography was beginning to gain momentum.
Now people like Hal Finnie, many of whom think how Phinnie is? Satoshi
Les Len Sassimon's another These were cutting edge thinkers experimenting with cryptocurrency, and their
their view was, actually, actually, do you know that is he?
No? No, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, well it
could be, you know, I mean, it's it's not unknown today,
right, It's not. It's not him anymore than it is Cross Seking.
I'm just being silly. I do like watching his videos. But in any
case, I'm sure at some point he may claim that he's the author.
You never know. But in any case, the cipherpunk movement should be credited
with advanced insight into the collapse of the financial system. In other words,
they recognized early on that the financial system, like the information age itself,
posed an existential threat to privacy, to individual autonomy, and that was really
their main concern. Now, of course, fast forward to two thousand and
eight, you get this collapse which appears to destroy the entire Fiat currency system,
and that's when you get the white paper that comes out, and so
that brings us to what bitcoin is. It's a turnkey monetary system. It's
not a speculative asset. It's not a store of value. Again, it
may become those things, it may serve multiple purposes, but at its core,
it is an alternative monetary system. Why did they divine to create such
a thing. Well, because they believe that the collapse of the financial system
was imminent, as we do today. Now, these things always take longer
than one might expect. It's just the nature of history that way. But
that is effectively what bitcoin is. And so what's happening globally, not just
in the United States, and not just amongst major investment corporations like Blackrock.
I think is that there's a recognition of two things. One is that bitcoin
is not simply an interesting speculative bubble or mania. Second that there are real
problems in the financial system, especially in the banks, and so I fully
expect the demolition of the financial system to reignite next year. Why do I
say that, Well, because of unrealized losses, because of higher interest rates.
Because there are these things called the euro dollar market, which is about
ninety three trillion dollars in size, and those are US dollar denominated lending that's
done offshore. Okay, there's also the Asian eurods. In other words,
it's not just the United States. It's not just the strength or weakness of
US banks or the systemically important financial institutions. It's that the entire system is
a doomsday machine that I believe has gone off. And so as that doomsday
machine begins to demolition, or you might say the explosion begins to spread beyond
the regional banks into commercial real estate, into the cities, into US Treasury
bonds, so forth, and so on, you're going to see more and
more and more capital institutions foreigners. Potentially, you might see Latin American countries
beyond El Salvador. I think Argentina is a prime candidate. They're talking about
pegging to the dollar or using the dollars of the peso, but I think
they're going to figure out pretty fast that's probably not a good idea. Bitcoin
is better. So the whole world is moving in this direction. But it's
going to be the countries in Latin America, it's going to be the countries
in Africa, and in the United States, it's going to be you might
say, the more, the more enlightened institutions or folks that are well versed
in how fragile the existing system is that pushes Bitcoin into that next market capitalization
upward. Are we there yet? I'm not convinced that we are. I
think that bitcoin is still very much in a range. I don't think it's
broken out yet, but it's poised to do so. So for your audience
and others that are curious about what to do, I've emphasized a two tier
approach or a too pivot approach. Recognize that the legacy financial system is crumbling,
but it hasn't blown up fully yet, and at the same time that
bitcoin is part of the solution. So you want to pivot slowly away from
the legacy financial system and slowly into the new financial system, which I believe
is going to be Bitcoin and potentially other cryptocurrencies, including ethereum, which I
think is likely going to serve the role of the decentralized financial landscape. We'll
see if that turns out, but I think that's or likely. Yeah.
I mean, I had similar ideas and then we saw a lot of you
know, potential censorship with with ethereum, so I have doubts about ethereum.
I think people will make money on ethereum, and it might have a lot
of use cases for sure, But I'm I'm less less less certain on ethereum
than I used to be. But anyway, I think for sure, you
know, with bitcoin we're going to see huge just short term gains in you
know, giving the giving that the haveling is coming up next year and I
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And I really liked that you pointed out that this isn't really ultimately about
speculating in the short term and making money. That might be what happens to
people, but that's not what bitcoin is, right. It's like, it's
not this new kind of Internet stock, or you speculate on it and make
a bunch of money and then get out of it. I mean, in
the long term, it is the future of money. It is the future
of finance because, like you said, but it's really this miraculous genius invention
that is there to solve a lot of the traditional problems that civilizations and nations
have had with money. And one of those problems is, as you know,
to give the power of printing the money to some centralized bank or some
private entity, which I think can then run it up into infinity. And
that's unfortunately what's happening with the dollar, especially since it's moved off of any
being pegged to anything hard other than other than just pure fiat and faith.
And so we need something better than that. We need it based on math,
we need it based on actual objective value. So I'm curious what you
think about because there's so much talk about black rock etf we didn't get to
that. Do you think that that's an attempt to try to subvert it.
I think that even if that's where it's going long term, I hope they
won't be Hopefully they won't be able to really do that, but it's at
least make surely the price kind of explode in the short term. Do you
think it could well? I mean to some Degrade already has one wonders if
this is a buy the rumor sell the news event. That is certainly within
the realm of possibility. In fact, I think that's very likely that you
could see as sell off next year. The other short term concern, I'll
get the black rock in just a moment. The other short term concern is
that the underlying infrastructure of bitcoin, in terms of the investors, the holders
of it, something like seventy percent of them are long term holders, or
at least they've owned bitcoin for a year or more. Now, that's a
very good thing as long as those long term holders aren't margin called or they're
not liquidated in other manners such that they would have to sell their bitcoin.
Now, could something like that happen. Yeah, I think it's possible that
it could. And if that happens, then you could see Bitcoin retrench or
retrace its gain. It's hard to say, right I don't really know who
those long term holders are, but I do think it's important to be cautious
because we're at the early stages of this and financial assets right now are very
murky. You know. Just as an aside, everybody in on Wall Street
today is very bearish on oil. Oil prices have come down over the last
several months, despite various efforts by OPEC and big players in the oil industry
to put a floor underneath it. All that being said, the fundamentals for
oil are excellent, okay, So at any given time, prices can do
whatever they're going to do. The same thing applies to bitcoin. The fundamentals
in support of bitcoin are strong, and they're strong because the banking system is
a mess, because governments are bankrupt, so forth, and so on.
That being said, the price can still move lower, So just bear that
in mind. Regarding Blackrock, you know, Blackrock is a very powerful institution,
no doubt that. You know, Larry Fink has outsize influence in countries
like France, he's been to Ukraine. There's no question that it is a
menace in many respects. It has a subversive influence, not just in financial
markets, but well beyond that. Your audience and channels well versed in that.
I don't need to go into it. But given Bitcoin's structure, as
you alluded to earlier, I don't think there is much that can be done
to manipulate bitcoin itself, or at least you might say, the blockchain of
bitcoin the danger. I'm the bitcoin, I like dumping and you know,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The danger of bitcoin is somewhat similar to
what has happened to gold, and that is that there's gold and the fundamentals
that drive gold supply and demand, and then there's the paper market, the
abstraction, and so you potentially could see something similar like that with bitcoin.
Other words, bitcoin spawns derivatives or abstraction of it that then blow its price
out of proportion, shrink it, so forth, and so on. It's
trickier to do that. And if bitcoin becomes what we think it will,
which is you might say, the fundamental base money to transact and to store
value, that may mitigate that risk. But does that risk exist, Yes,
and that means that black Rock could meddle with the price and could acquire
a substantial amount of it. But I still think given the decentralized structure of
it, I don't think it's going to be able to compromise the asset.
And that speaks to the revolution that is bitcoin. Bitcoin is the printing press.
It is part of this reformation that I keep talking about. It is
cause for tremendous optimism because unlike two thousand and eight, we now have a
potential off ramp. There is a solution to this mess, and Bitcoin,
I think in the West is going to drive that solution forward. The East
is going to be very different. We can talk about that in the moment,
but certainly in the West, Latin America, Africa, a lot of
the developing countries, I think bitcoin is going to become their currency. Yeah.
I mean we've got El Salvador. I think other nations are going to
soon follow and maybe that will signal, you know, kind of a domino
effect. Now, I don't want to Maybe we can stay on the topic
of economics if you have more to get into. But you did a video
America's future destruction or reconstruction. I'd like to talk about some of that maybe
because again, you know, just we're talking about economics, but there's also
cultural decline and collapse. But one thing I like about your analysis is that
you're not blackpilled. You don't give us just this Oh it's all over and
everything's controlled by one group and we're all going to just lose. You offer
a lot of positive information, a lot of positive takes. You know,
you did the Men's Suffering and Resurrection. I thought that was a great talk
because a lot of guys get really down, but you made the great point
of that video that you know, kind of like Nietzsche's says, what doesn't
kill me makes me stronger, going through these things actually makes us better in
the long run, and so it's actually good to go through. You know,
we don't have to be stayed on Massacus or Mascus or whatever. We
have to want to be torture or whatever. Life's going to bring enough pain
and torture to make you strong, but going through these things actually does toughen
us up. So do you want to shift into that or do you want
to stay a little bit on economic topics before we go there. No,
we can certainly talk about America's position. Look, I am optimistic by the
black pillar standards, and I often use about this because the black pillars,
as I'm sure you know, Jay, tend to be the most informed.
They tend to be the most engaged, and they have an abundance of facts
and knowledge and insight, and they should be credited with that. And let's
just be very clear. Nobody knows how these things are really going to unfold.
They could be right, okay, but I don't think so. And
once I should point out as part of the reason I don't think so,
Jays, because I have met or worked with, or spent time with a
lot of these globalists, like figures. I'm going to give you a couple
examples right now. And this is not an effort to name drop as much
as it is just to say, look, I've been around these folks.
Okay, They're not as savvy as you might think. A lot of them
have consumed their own product, which speaks to the danger of the situation that
we're in. When I was at the Naval Academy, I took a class
with Robert Kaplan. So Robert Kaplan wrote Warrior Politics, He wrote The Comming
Anarchy. He wrote a lot of very bizarre books. Balkin Ghosts is probably
his most famous. Robert Kaplan didn't know anything about the military at all.
He was largely clueless about the institution. His concept of international affairs, I
think, has been thoroughly refuted over the last decade or so much. Many
of the predictions that he forecasts have not come to bear. Another one Fred
Kagan. Fred Kagan runs the Institute of the Study of War, I think
is what it's called. He and his wife, they predicted that the Russians
would lose in Ukraine. He was wrong. He doesn't know much about the
military or foreign affairs either. These are people that have an agenda. Now
you could say that maybe it's a facade, maybe they're pretending that they don't
really know, and so I don't know, you know, I'll leave that
to other folks to speculate. But I have interacted with a lot of these
people, and you have to understand that the premise of their worldview is very
Marxist. You know. I know you gave a lecture on this the other
day, but you know, from my vantage point, J and you're better
versed in the dialectical materialism than I. Have no doubt. But at the
end of the day, Marxism rests on the foundation that human beings are fungible,
that there is no there there, there's no spiritual substance or essence with
human beings, that they can effectively be molded, changed, and remolded.
However some central authority decides to do so. Right now, I want to
show off something that we're all proud of. I've got a browser here.
This is Jay Dyers, much vaunted, much sought after philosophy one oh one.
Now he just got this page up. We are just testing it out.
You guys are some of the first people in the world to see it.
I want to say, for my part, it's not philosophy want oh
one. I think this is as mistitling. I really think is as like
philosophy unleashed, because a philosophy want on one course, they give you kind
of some useless information that you can't make sense of. Jay actually lays out
over twelve weeks, dozens and dozens of hours put into just the presentation of
this, let alone the hundreds and thousands of hours of research that it takes
to have a coherent evolution and history of the origins of philosophy, the uses
of philosophy, the different ways to look at it over time, and how
that has been brought about to what we have today, which is almost an
absence of philosophy on the objective, logic and reason side in an overabundant of
woke philosophy that is irrational and is made up day by day as people are
like, I think we should bring racism back, and then here's the justification,
and then it gets woke, afied and spread out, and then all
of a sudden you have a bunch of communist socialist ideas where you become the
property in action. You need to be able to stand on your own ground.
It helps to have a foundation in philosophy because it's a method to fine
truth when you get down to it. Philosophy is there because you love truth
enough to go and learn how to find it, because it's valuable. So
if you're interested in things like that. There is the landing page. We'll
link it up in the notes. It is a longer once, so we'll
get a shorter URL for this. I'm sure Jay has a link on his
page. I just wanted to show it off. Now you know it exists,
you can go look for it and see why this is not your father's
philosophy. Right, So well done. I'm proud of everyone who helped to
produce and edit the course. And of course Jay did a flawless job in
presenting the course over those twelve weeks. And he's a Jugger. He's another
guy just like John Bush, in action all the time, doing something productive,
like very little wasted time in his week, those one hundred and sixty
eight hours of being harnessed. Very well, that's what they believe, and
so you can understand why they believe that Washington d c its military power,
its diplomatic core, can play god with the fate of nations around the world
because of that Marxist core thinking. At the same time, they lack the
insight you might save somebody like Lenin, And Lenin is somebody I have studied
a great deal because Lenin, I don't know how much of his readings you've
perused, Jay, But Lenin had contempt for a lot of the Marxists because
he felt that they were they were these esoteric thinkers. They didn't do anything,
they didn't take action, they weren't acting in the real world, and
so what was Lenin's solution to this. It wasn't propaganda, it wasn't intellectual
coercion, it was the gulag okay. It was a focus on power,
you know, Lenin's. Lenin one of his famous quotes that I reference all
the time is our fighting strategies organization. Right. He laid the foundation for
a lot of the actions of people like Soros and others, not the Marxists.
The Marxists were clueless, and most of their revolutions, especially if you
if you look at the revolutions of eighteen forty eight and so forth, right,
they failed, agreed to their failures, they self destructed. Right.
Lenin's on the other hand, and certainly circumstances were very different in his day.
But Lenin did lead a successful revolution. I'm sad to say it was
a very tragic revolution, but nonetheless it was successful because Lenin was focused on
power and the Marxists focused on ideology. And that's very much the difference you
might say, between a lot of these globalists at the WEF, the folks
that work at the ECB, at the European Commission, you know, the
folks that are in the US government, They are ideological. They believe that
we're in a Manichean fight between good and evil, and so if we disagree
with them, it's because we're evil, it's because we're bad. There's a
whole lot of intellectual thinking or ammunition behind that view. It's very binary,
and frankly, it's intellectually bankrupt. And as a result, their efforts changed
the world and their image have completely failed everywhere, including the United States.
And so now we're beginning to feel the effects of the damage that they've done,
and the population, in my view, and this gets back to your
point, is actually waking up. And it's not just in the United States.
It's happening all over Europe. That's why you're seeing fulminating movements in the
Netherlands, You're seeing it in Slovakia, you're seeing it in France. All
over Europe. There is this growing awareness that these people have wrecked the economy.
They flooded these countries with migrants, yep and all the rest of it.
And rather than sort of just tipping over and abdicating, which a lot
of people at forecast, it seems to me that the opposite is happening,
and what's driving that is the demolition of the economy. Yeah, I just
spent three weeks in Italy, which is where I got throat AIDS or whatever
the hell I've had for the last six weeks being sick. And you know,
there's not every city, but several cities that we went to. We
spent a lot of time all going throughout the entire country. Basically there were
multiple cities where I didn't see any Italians. So this is no joke.
This is this is real, and this is basically like on a continual basis,
right, I mean, the news pops up every day that oh,
Doctors without Borders has helped you know, five thousand refugees come to another Italian
island with a population of two thousand, Right, this is this is in
the news like constantly, and my and it does seem like the sense that
I got on the ground was a lot of angst, a lot of anger,
and a lot of a lot of resentment on the part of the native
Italians that they know this is happening. They don't really know what to do,
but they are beginning to kind of realize this is happening. So you're
right, I think that in the same thing in America, right, that
people are figuring out, Hey, wait a minute, you know this is
seems to be really destructive to the functioning of the system of the country.
So people are waking up. But my and I'm not disagreeing. I think
your analysis. I'll defer to you on a lot of the analytics and the
on the ground analysis. Because I'm a booky, nerd kind of guy.
I don't get a lot of on the ground analysis, so I'll defer to
you on that. My pushback is just this though, doesn't it What about
the idea that there are people who do want to tank this country and tank
this system, and this is where we kind of And that's not that I
know it all, it's just I can't. To me, it seems like
if you wanted to wreck the US and wreck the West, this is the
stuff that you would do, do you And I totally agree with that.
A lot of these people are deluded. They think that they can create and
mold man because man's a tabula ross. He's a blank, slaty, silly
putty. We can just mold him into whatever we want. Because they just
assume that man doesn't have a soul or spirit, that there's not an actual
person that's there that's not within their power to dictate and you know, create
the communist, socialist new Man or whatever. But what about the sort of
out of control, just sort of delusion maniac mad scientists, technocrats who think
will collapse this country and we'll have AI run everything. Now, that may
be a delusion, I think it is. But what about that kind of
a view the of the of the elites that want to they want to collapse
the West in the United States. Yeah, so I'm glad you I'm glad
you made you made reference to to some of the literature that you discuss on
your show, because both things can be true. You can have menacing special
interests that are driving the ship aground, right, that's absolutely the case.
I think that that is self evident. I think it's unassailable. Jay.
At the same time, you can also point to the fact that they're incompetent
or at least the mechanisms of government that they now control, they have self
sabotaged. Right, And so I think in that sense, I think you
can thread that needle. That being said, to your point, the West
and potentially the world, and we can get into this in just a moment.
The West is in dire straits. We are in a precarious situation,
and I try to emphasize that in all my videos. I mean, certainly,
I think that there is enough and these are my terms, civilizational vigor,
to resurrect, to reform, to write the ship. But that's an
opinion, it's a speculation. I think there's evidence for it, but we're
far from a conclusive a conclusive moment, I think we're getting closer to which
way it's going to go. So I think you're exactly right. And furthermore,
I saw evidence for it when I was in the military, right,
I saw evidence for it when I was in graduate school. You know,
I was a teacher in my twenties. I worked for the public school system.
And the effort to poison the well, the effort to subvert, undermine,
and destroy the West, is systematic. It's institutionalized. Absolutely, there's
no question about it. My sense, however, is that the host is
waking up to the parasite. And furthermore, and I think this is very
important to note, this is not the first time this has happened. This
has occurred again and again and again throughout history, and more often than you
might think. The civilizational host wakes up and survives, and I think we
will as well. That being said, if we're going to prevail, we're
going to need to experience a civilizational catharsis, and I think we're getting closer
to that point. But that will not be a zen moment. It will
be a disaster. And my hope is that that disaster and I'm going to
give you a couple examples of what that makes you what the scenarios you think
they might be. The question is can the collateral damage of that disaster be
overcome? Now? I think the answer to that is yes, but I
again, I could be wrong. The most dangerous threat that we face today
is a nuclear confrontation, and the likelihood of a nuclear confrontation is growing by
the month. Is a very dangerous time, and it's largely being driven by
the people that you referenced a moment ago. People in Washington, DC,
you might say, people in vulnerable countries in the Middle East. Okay,
this war in Ukraine could easily have spiraled out of control, and there were
a number of steps to de escalate that could have been taken and they were
not taken. Okay, Second, it below that, a second tier below
that I should say is a major war, a major global war. The
conditions for that major global war are upon us. Right, Ukraine was dangerous
enough. Now these civilizational fault lines, and that's the correct way to look
at this. It's not the good and evil that the globalists tell us,
as you point out, it's a civilizational conflict, and actually speaking, it's
an attempt by civilization on all sides to resurrect itself. In other words,
the West isn't driving this train. It's the globalists that are driving this train
and in an effort to destroy civilization on both sides. All right, So
that's the second danger, and that's beginning to intensify in the Middle East.
We can talk about that more in a moment. The third danger is that
you experience a kind of financial collapse APPS that is irreparable. Now my my,
my own senses, and I'm going to release a video on this sometime
this month. But my own view, Jay is almost the antithesis of conventional
wisdom. I actually think that a financial collapse will restructure the economy, It
will liberate us from this indebted system that's poisoning us. Whereas I think a
lot of people think, well, what can we do to forestall it?
What can we do to tinker on the margins, to fix the system as
is the system as is broken. It's irreix correct Yeah, and and breaking
it is the solution. And this, this, this brings us to daylight
between I think your views or perhaps your sphere and mind, and that is
I think a lot of folks that consume Jay Dyer's content think that their goal
is to break it.