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This Is Later with Lee Matthews,
The Lee Matthews Podcast. More of What

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You Here Weekday Afternoon is on the
Drive. He is a multi multi Grammy

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nominated, Peabody and Emmy Award winning
actor, writer, producer, director,

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comedian diverse career encompassing film, television, and stage. Also makes Love Like

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a Roman Gladiator star of Late Night
with Craig Ferguson. Craig Ferguson joining us.

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Hello, Craig, Oh, Hello, I'm intrigued by the description of

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that I make love like a Roman
gladiar. First of all, how say

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you know that? And secondly,
how does the Roman glad ear or make

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love? Do you like? Are
you not entertained? I knew you'd appreciate

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that. That's why I came up
with it. Ferguson, Go ahead,

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God, I'm just it's nice to
be back in Oklahoma at this time of

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year. I'm guessing that I actually
am at the time of year with the

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corn is as high as an elephant's
high. Right about that? Oh?

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And that when keeps that wave in
wheat sure smells sweet. When it's when

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the sun comes right behind the rain. I mean, I'm in fact it's

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waving in my face right now,
like a Roman Gladiere. Yeah. Craig

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Ferguson is bringing his interview talents to
a new discussion of the modern state of

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joy his podcast Joy heard on the
iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get pat podcasts.

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And my first question, Craig Ferguson, is the world lacking in joy

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right now? Oh? I don't
know if I'm qualified to answer that,

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But I think what I'm interested in
is how different people, individuals, you

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know, manufactured forth themselves. I
think if I have any discernible skill as

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an interviewer, it's been able to
talk to someone like their parson and and

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so I'm I'm fascinated by the idea. If the discussion is about joy,

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what it does do excuse me,
is it forces the conversations to be personal.

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It's not personal at the end of
you know, how do you know?

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Do you make love like a Roman
blooded here? But more about how

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you how you view the world and
what's your philosophy? How do you how

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do you cope when things aren't going
your way or you know, things are

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aren't aren't quite as joyful as you
would have them be. How do you

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cope with things so I think that
you know, and it's fascinating. Like

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the first three yess in the In
the first three episodes, no gabriel I

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Glazings, who's you know, the
fabulously succession comedian. And then my next

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guest was excuse me, Kathie Lee
Gifford. There was a very different outlook

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on life, excuse me. And
then you know, week three is Tony

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Hawk, who was from like a
completely different background and a completely different thing.

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And what I want to do from
get Toggett, it's just good people

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from wildly different areas of the human
experience and talk to them about how they

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do it. As time goes on
with the podcast, I want to try

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and find, you know, not
just celebrities, but people who are dealing

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with difficult jobs as doctors, detectives, to be undertakers, people who deal

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with with the more difficult areas of
life. How do you how do you

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disassociate or do you do you disassociate? How do you find joy in the

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difficulties of what you do. I'm
fascinated by it because people do need it,

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and I think what happens and you
know, right now, people obsessed

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about social media for some reason,
like it's the only thing that exists.

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And I'm kind of fascinated by that
too. Why would you Why would you

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take all your information from a non
fact checked amateur journalist doesn't make any sense

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to me. Late Late Show with
Craig Ferguson's host, he's bringing his interview

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talents to a podcast on the iHeart
radio app and everywhere you get podcasts.

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Joy is what it's called. And
uh, what what? What? What

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is maybe the primary thing you've learned
talking about joy with all these different people?

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I think so far? What it? What emerges from the midst for

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me that it seems to be the
cultivation of gratitude seems to be if you

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can it's always easy, I mean, but if you can find some way

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to get a sense of perspective on
your difficulties or your life, that I

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mean, gratitude seems like a kind
of magic bullet if you can find it.

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And some people find it from religion, some people find it through other

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forms of spirituality, some people find
it in a in a bomb. I

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guess I don't know, but it's
if you can manufacture for yourself, cultivate,

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no manufacture, cultivate for yourself.
A same sort of wondering gratitude.

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That's what seems to bring most people
joy that talk too too far. And

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also it's wide range, and it's
a it's a it's a non specific thing.

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It's also an impairmanent thing like happiness
or fear. It will come and

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it will go, and so you
you know, it takes many forms.

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For me, it comes down to
when I'm in the midst of the hard

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times or a difficult time, I
find I have to make a list,

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make a list of the things I
can control regarding the issue, and then

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a list of the things I can't
control, and then maybe try to find

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the middle ground between those two things, and then just start going down the

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list and trying to change the situation
to where I have joy. Again.

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I guess I'm too methodical. No, I think that sounds like a sensical

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approach to it. It sounds like
a methodical approach, which is you know,

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I mean, I get that's who
you are. There's no shame in

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being methodical. I think that I
think that the idea of making a list

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is good. It's what works for
you. It seems a little it seems

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like a healthy idea to me.
I I do it slightly less formally,

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but I kind of I try and
focus on it. Look when I when

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I look at someone else's problems,
it doesn't take my problems away, but

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it sometimes gives me a sense of
perspective on the problems that I have.

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So you know, I think a
sense of perspective can lead you down to

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the past to joy if you can
do it. Craig ferguson The podcast is

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Joy and it's available on the iHeart
radio app and everywhere you get podcasts for

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you. What is it about interview
you you're good at interviewing? Do you

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do you only talk with people that
you find interesting? Or is it the

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other way around? You try to
find something about a person that you find

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interesting. Well, I think that
I think the idea is that if I

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have only discerniment skill, I think
it is maybe that when other people are

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talking, I can listen. So
sometimes I think, and oft times this

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happened to me in my life.
I think this person is not going to

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be interesting, and then I listened
to them and I go no wrong Again,

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they are interesting. Doesn't mean that
I necessarily agree with them, but

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I don't need to agree with someone
to find them interesting, and I think

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that that's a that's quite a common
error. I think that the people make

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right now is that you think,
you know, to find someone acceptable,

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you have to agree with what they
say. And I don't really subscribe to

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that. I think it's probably healthier
to try and find common ground or at

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least politeness with the people you disagree
with. I think that that's a that's

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a skill. And also listening to
someone requires you to shut up, and

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I quite like having to shut up, because, as you can probably tell

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by now, it's not much strongest
point. Well, I always say,

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if first of all, you've cut
to the heart of my whole theme of

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my whole program, and that is
a polite discourse, that's what you'll find

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here. Secondly, uh yeah,
Unfortunately, my business anyway is replete with

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people who have the inability to listen
and shut up. Yeah. I think

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it's I think it's the politeness is
It sounds kind of trite, but it's

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not particularly I noticed when people attack
the politicians are very guilty of this.

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If they don't agree with the section
of society, they insult them, you

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know, And why are you insulting
these people, particularly if these people are

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pore. I grew up in no
wealthy and when you come from a modest

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background, manners are kind of they're
super important because for a lot, that's

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all we have, you know,
And I think that when you treat people

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with a lack of courtesy or respect, you do not help the situation.

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And I think that it's actually very
important, much more important, I think

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than anyone know, anyone than a
lot of people realize. The podcast is

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Joy. You can hear it on
the iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts.

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The hostess Craig Ferguson the one you
remember from Late Night with Craig Ferguson.

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I'd love to talk more, but
he must be off to make love

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like a Roman gladiator. Thank you
for joining us, Craig Ferguson, don't

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dug me up too much. Thank
you. Thanks for listening to Later with

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Lee Matthews, the Leigh Matthews Podcast, and remember to listen to The Drive

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