WEBVTT

1
00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:11.480
It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. What
a great idea. On iHeartRadio, Welcome

2
00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:15.960
to Maria's MutS and Stuff. And
with me is author Scott Hammond, and

3
00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:20.879
we're going to talk about finding calib
his Search and Rescue Dog series book one.

4
00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:24.239
I'm intrigued by that, but that's
a question to come. So Scott,

5
00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:29.320
thank you for doing this book and
let's talk about it. What made

6
00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:33.439
you decide to write this book.
Well, for a long time, I've

7
00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:37.200
been for almost twenty years, I've
been following a mud around a dog around

8
00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:42.280
in the woods looking for lost people
and had a lot of experiences with that

9
00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:46.079
and it's been really exciting. But
I wanted to share what it's like.

10
00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:50.600
I wanted to share the feelings that
you have when you find somebody who's lost

11
00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:54.520
or where you bring closure to an
event. And I also wanted to make

12
00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.799
a dog a hero. You know, we have a lot of superheroes right

13
00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.240
in all of our stories these days, yes, and for me, the

14
00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:04.200
dog is the superhero. It has
a superpower. It's it kind of knows

15
00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.799
that, you know, can do
things that we can just not do as

16
00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:12.840
humans, and that's the superhero.
And I wanted to bring that dog in

17
00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:18.359
as a superhero, right right,
So, in fact, can you indulge

18
00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.719
me while I read this in your
book it's right before it begins Part one

19
00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:26.760
Lost, and you write superheroes do
for us what we cannot do for ourselves.

20
00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.239
Marvel Comics got it wrong. Real
superheroes weigh under one hundred pounds,

21
00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.799
have a wet nose, big hearts, four paws, and often a bushy

22
00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.239
tail. They cannot fly or smash
through things. They work quietly, invisibly

23
00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.519
in service of us, even though
their life expectancy is just twelve to fourteen

24
00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:48.719
years. Their superpower a nose that
smells three hundred to five hundred times better

25
00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:53.079
than any human and a heart to
serve until they can serve no more.

26
00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:59.079
Oh my goodness, that is just
a beautiful thing. If nothing else describes

27
00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.719
what a dog is. That is
like so perfect. Thank you for that.

28
00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.560
Yes, they so bless our lives, and my dogs have so blessed

29
00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.280
lives and the lives of others,
and they love to do it. Every

30
00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.599
once in a while I come across
somebody who says, uh, you know,

31
00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:20.400
why are you making your dog work? And he just doesn't see it

32
00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.240
as work. Sees it as a
game, as a service, as a

33
00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:29.479
fun. Yeah, and you know
it's not work if it's not negative anyway,

34
00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.159
No, for sure. And I
think anyone who would ask that doesn't

35
00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:36.680
know anything about dogs, because dogs, You're right, that's like their job.

36
00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.840
They want to do something they yeah, that's what they're so great at.

37
00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:46.360
But let's talk about I mean sometimes
and again it's people who don't know

38
00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:47.919
a lot about dogs. And I
think anyone who's listening to this right now

39
00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:53.360
they know a lot about dogs.
But I'm just so always fascinated by the

40
00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:57.759
fact, and you put it in
facts three hundred to five hundred times that

41
00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.680
a dog's nose I don't think anything
else in the world can compare to that.

42
00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:07.080
It's just let's talk a little bit
about it, Like what makes it

43
00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.719
so incredible that a dog can do, Like a dog can walk into a

44
00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:15.479
room and smell everything separately that we
can't do well, I know, you

45
00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:16.800
know, we know all the biology
of it. I mean, when my

46
00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:21.759
dog drives by Burger King or when
we're writing by Burger King, he kind

47
00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.319
of smells the smell and goes,
oh, somebody just ordered a double cheese

48
00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.759
with you know, right, right, or double burger with cheers. You

49
00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.520
know, they see the world like
they smell the world like we see the

50
00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.400
world. Yes, it is probably
the best way to put it in.

51
00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.400
And I think we all know the
biology of it. But there's also the

52
00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:46.240
heart that goes with it. They
want to turn then that incredible gift that

53
00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.280
they have, that incredible ability,
into something that serves us, and so

54
00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.599
they I talked to a veterinarian this
last summer. I met him in Iceland,

55
00:03:53.639 --> 00:04:00.680
but he French veterinarian and he's trained
dogs to identify prostate cancer in men.

56
00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.240
Wow, and now he's working on
COVID and uh, you know,

57
00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:12.080
you just realize that this capacity is
beyond what we, at least in my

58
00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.960
generation, beyond what we imagine dogs
could do. We always thought of as

59
00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.199
dogs as just a lower or lesser
form of life, you know, a

60
00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:24.839
good pet. You know, there's
just the idea of pet describes the function,

61
00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:27.800
you know, of a dog.
And I don't see my dog as

62
00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:31.639
a pet. I know he's a
he's a partner. Yeah, for sure,

63
00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.680
for sure. No, it's true. And I think, um,

64
00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:42.279
yeah, I think most people who
own dogs and pets I want to be,

65
00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.600
you know, give due diligence to
cats because I lean dog. But

66
00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.000
uh, you know, they're not
just pets, You're right, they are.

67
00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:53.879
They're like an extension of us,
you know, like, yeah,

68
00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.439
they just pets, especially dogs make
our lives so much better, I think.

69
00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.319
So let's yeah, let's talk a
little bit about because I know your

70
00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:08.439
book. This is book one,
So do you have obviously it's a series.

71
00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:14.639
Do you have a plan already or
it's going to be written as it

72
00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:19.720
comes to you. The second book
is done. The second book is called

73
00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:24.800
Finding Asher and it will be out
in November. The third book is Finding

74
00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:28.959
Molly that'll be out next to April. And there each one of them is

75
00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:33.879
about a search and rescue based on
my search and rescue experience in using dogs

76
00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:39.399
to find people. It's kind of
based on true stories that way. But

77
00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:43.879
throughout it all is Caleb, who
we meet in the first book is is

78
00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:47.360
kind of like me in the sense
that I didn't understand what dogs could do.

79
00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:51.079
I didn't even I'd had a few
pets, you know that were but

80
00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:57.480
I just didn't understand dogs until I
started to work with dogs. And so

81
00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.519
Caleb is a young boy who's found
in the first book is found by a

82
00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.560
dog, and then he becomes kind
of an assistant dog handler and learns how

83
00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:13.120
to handle this dog that then goes
on adventures with him to find lost people.

84
00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:15.519
Right, right, So, so
what is it that a dog can

85
00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:21.319
do more so than say you with
a search party in finding people. I'll

86
00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:25.920
give you a good example. So
I got called out about two months ago

87
00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:30.600
to a big open field, a
big area. It was, you know,

88
00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:38.279
maybe oh maybe a mile square area, and we were asked to look

89
00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.680
for a missing person. They've been
missing for three days and the assumption was

90
00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.680
that they had they were deceased,
and and it was so it's going to

91
00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:53.079
be kind of a sad situation.
Sure, And we had about sixty team

92
00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:57.319
members. Were on a search and
rescue team of about sixty people, and

93
00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.800
we avoid in too. I was
deployed into an area that had already been

94
00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:06.680
searched multiple times with ten other people. But I had this secret weapon,

95
00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:13.000
which is boom. Now, what
happens is that scent the dogs. The

96
00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.120
wind blows over the scent and picks
up the that and then blows it in

97
00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.639
kind of a cone shape. As
the further away it gets from the source,

98
00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:28.160
it blows the wider it gets,
and within about three minutes, my

99
00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.680
dog is going back and forth,
weaving back forth and what they call the

100
00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:35.600
scent cone. And then as he
gets closer and closer to the source,

101
00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:41.720
the weaving gets narrower and narrow until
he just zooms right into it. It

102
00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:46.360
took him twenty minutes to solve a
problem that people have been working on for

103
00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.600
three days. That there had probably
been pure or three hundred people there looking.

104
00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:56.240
There were steps, there were footprints
in the snow within ten feet of

105
00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:00.879
this find. And yet you know, he found, He made the find.

106
00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:03.680
And but I gotta tell you,
this is the hardest story for me

107
00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:09.240
to tell, because it's always so
hard to find a This was a suicide

108
00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.000
victim and the family was there.
But I got to tell you the rest

109
00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.519
of this story because if I can
do it here, I know I understand.

110
00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.600
No, of course, you know, it's emotion of it. Yeah.

111
00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:22.720
Yeah. We we went back to
the parking lot after we'd done all

112
00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.720
the paperwork and everything, and we're
kind of getting our gear off. We're

113
00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.639
all muddy and dirty and cold,
and uh and Boot keeps pulling on the

114
00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.799
tug on my line, on my
lead and keeps wanting to go you know,

115
00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.759
he usually doesn't do that. He
keeps wanting to go over across the

116
00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:45.240
police barrier and see these people.
And so finally I ask, you know,

117
00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.279
permission, I said, kind of
talk to those people that my dog's

118
00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.200
interested in them. And they said, well, that's the family, right,

119
00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:56.000
that's the family of this boy,
right, And and so we go

120
00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:00.879
over there. I've never seen anything
like this. Boost in front of this

121
00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:05.840
young girl. She looks at him, they make eye contact. She breaks

122
00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.519
into tears and grabs him and holds
onto him, and he traces and the

123
00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:16.559
tears off her face. He goes
down the row of family members. That

124
00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.679
oh my goodness. And you know, that's what I said about heart.

125
00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.919
It's you know, it's just even
hard to tell that. I can't even

126
00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:26.840
believe it happened, you know,
kind of a feeling, right, and

127
00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.159
you know, his job wasn't done
by just right right, like he found

128
00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.440
he found the family member, and
now his job was to console the family.

129
00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.960
Yeah, yeah, Like I mean, it just shows incredible how dogs,

130
00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:46.159
how smart they are. Yeah,
And and and beyond the physical,

131
00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.840
you know, find the find.
It's it's so intuitive and so emotional.

132
00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.559
It's so understanding of what they're doing. Sure, sure, yeah, I

133
00:09:54.600 --> 00:10:00.840
mean you know, I mean there's
that simplicity, the simple thing that we

134
00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.600
know when you're sad, your dog
comes over and licks your face or makes

135
00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.600
you feel better. But it's really
true, true, I mean the fact

136
00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.679
that these were strangers to him,
but he knew that they needed to be

137
00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.240
consoled. I mean, you can't
explain that to a dog in human terms.

138
00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.320
It's just how they're wired. I've
seen it with him before. Yeah,

139
00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.639
I've seen it with him before in
a few few occasions where I've gone

140
00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.440
on a speaking engagement. He does
a little for the term, but dog

141
00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:33.519
and pony shower all the go.
And then while I'm going to talking,

142
00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.399
and he's bored because he's heard my
talk before, right right, right,

143
00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.679
right, you know, he goes
and sits next to somebody. And it's

144
00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.039
always the autistic kid, sure,
in the wheelchair, right, the kid

145
00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.440
who feel who's hurting. Sure.
And I've had teachers come up to me

146
00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:54.360
and say, that's the best thing
in it to have that dog come up

147
00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.240
and sit next to my my one
kid, who's the lonely kid, who's

148
00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.840
the isolated kid, right right,
Yeah, they're just amazing that one.

149
00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.960
It's true. So Boo isn't your
first dog, is he? No?

150
00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:11.120
No, he's not. I started
with the dog named Dusty, actually hivers.

151
00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:16.440
But Dusty got me into the search
and rescue. He had about a

152
00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:24.519
twelve year lifespan and maybe uh ten
years of searching. Wow. Nice um.

153
00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.919
Boo Booth's been out for now six
years. Even though the book's fictional,

154
00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.600
U Boo is real for me,
and the dog on the cover is

155
00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:35.039
the real Booth. That's what I
thought. I was going to ask you

156
00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.960
that. But and also I asked
you if he was your first. Do

157
00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.720
you feel that Boo is different,
like almost more intuitive than your last dog,

158
00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:48.440
Dusty? Or do you feel that's
just a common thing that they both

159
00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.639
have. No? No, no, I Boo is something special, something

160
00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.799
special. Duty was too right.
But Dusty was a really good search dog

161
00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:03.840
and didn't have that compassion sociated with
it and with him and so he you

162
00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.759
know, he found he did what
he was supposed to do, He did

163
00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.320
what he was trained to do.
But there's something about Boo that is just

164
00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:15.679
where he's He just wants to absorb
the emotion of the situation as well,

165
00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.440
right, right, And so he's
kind of a therapy dog but also a

166
00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:24.840
very good search dog, right,
and you know that that's kind of a

167
00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.279
unique combination. I think, Yeah, you were just reading my mind because

168
00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.279
I was going to ask you,
and not that you're going to stop doing

169
00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.600
search and rescues. But if you
ever saw that, you decided you didn't

170
00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:41.240
for whatever reason, could you see
going on with Boo as a therapy dog,

171
00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.320
which she kind of answered that.
Yeah, And I see the magic

172
00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:50.039
in that now with because of Boo, because he's really helped so many people

173
00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.480
when they didn't need They weren't lost
in the woods, they just needed somebody

174
00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.279
to sitting next to him and be
a friend, right. Right, So,

175
00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.600
since you're you're you're such an expert
at this. It's summertime, kids

176
00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:09.360
are off from school, going out
to play. Any advice how to I

177
00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.879
mean it sounds almost silly to day
how to not get lost? But people

178
00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.600
get lost? Yeah, are there
any basics, like simple things that we

179
00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.080
can share with people like to try
to not get lost? I mean,

180
00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.000
we've all been turned around at some
point as adults, but for kids,

181
00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:30.720
I think it's a lot it's a
lot more difficult. Obviously, any simple

182
00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:33.519
advice. Well, the practical thing, of course, is to take the

183
00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.559
ten essentials, and you'll find that
list on the internets. You know,

184
00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.639
the ten things you really should have
if you go out of sight of the

185
00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.279
car, you know you should have
with you these ten items. That's the

186
00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.120
kind of basic thing. But I
think what I want to tell my kids

187
00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.799
and my grandkids is if you're lost, people will come to look for you.

188
00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.639
Sure, and you know they will
come to look for you. You

189
00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.879
will not be be um forgotten um. And And that's the fear that people

190
00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:09.399
I've I've talked to so many young
young people who have been lost and then

191
00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.200
later found in the words, I
interviewed one kid that had been lost for

192
00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.039
four days wow, and five hundred
people had been looking for him one day,

193
00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.960
um for and um. And when
they found him, you know,

194
00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.639
we brought him down to the camp
by on a horse. And they found

195
00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.320
this kid and he and the clapform. They cheered for him and and he

196
00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.799
told me, this is the only
time in my life anyone has cheered for

197
00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.480
me. And you know, it
was so sweet, sweet moment. But

198
00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:43.759
but he didn't understand that this people
came from Wyoming in Utah and and Colorado

199
00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.879
to look for him. The complete
strangers. We are not going to leave

200
00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:52.120
our children, you know, un
searched for. And that's um. So

201
00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:58.039
people will come and and and there
will be a maximum effort and and know

202
00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.080
that in your heart, so you
won't be afraid, right, And I

203
00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.519
think that makes the big difference if
you know that somebody's gonna is gonna be

204
00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:09.639
somebody is aware, more than one
person is aware that you're lost, and

205
00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.240
they will come find you, like, don't despair, you will be found.

206
00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.000
Yeah, and yeah, you know
the actually in certain age groups,

207
00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:20.960
the average thing what kids do often
is hide because of stranger danger. You

208
00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.399
know, they got this, Oh
I don't I'm lost. I better hide

209
00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:30.279
stranger danger kind of thing. And
no, um, stand out in the

210
00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:35.799
open, be visible, right and
we will find you, will find you.

211
00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.360
Yeah. I never thought of that, the stranger danger. Yeah,

212
00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.720
you're right, you know, especially
like if they if they see it on

213
00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:50.120
a TV show or you know,
fiction, something fake that they would hide

214
00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.679
when they're lost, you know.
But yeah, be out there and I

215
00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.879
guess make noise, right, um
yeah, make noise a whistle, have

216
00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.519
a whistle. Um. Yeah.
I've heard a guy once who was hitting

217
00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.840
rocks together because he had screamed ask
for help for so long that he had

218
00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:07.639
lost his voice. If he'd only
had a whistle, we would have found.

219
00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.399
So take you know, a whistle
is one of those ten essential items.

220
00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.159
It's take that. Uh huh and
uh. It's a lot easier to

221
00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.279
find somebody with a whistle. And
you can blow a whistle all day,

222
00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:22.039
but you can only yell for help
for about two or three, five ten

223
00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:26.840
minutes and your voice is gone right
right, And I guess what's a little

224
00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.759
different in today's day and age is
the fact that just about everybody, regardless

225
00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:36.399
of age, has a cell phone. I mean, make sure your cell

226
00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:38.639
phone is charged before you go out
on a hike or you go out,

227
00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.399
even for kids, because kids carry. There are a lot of places here

228
00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.720
in the US though, or there
are a lot of places here in the

229
00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.440
rocky mountains at least that where you
don't get we don't get cell phone coverage,

230
00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.879
right right, right, and so
yeah, and that's what those are

231
00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.399
the places where people go hiking.
Sure, and then there are kids who

232
00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:00.519
forget them. They are not charged, arged and right right, you know,

233
00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.920
there are other things. So but
it is a good thing. You

234
00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:11.480
know, cell phones have greatly reduced
the number of the length of searches over

235
00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:17.240
the years because you can ping them
sure and find them electronically first and then

236
00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.759
go look in a targeted area for
where they are. Sure, No,

237
00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.720
that's true, that's true. So
I mean that's a benefit everyone. You

238
00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:26.680
know, there's a whole thing about
you know, cell phone zombies or the

239
00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.880
people who are walking with their heads
and their phones. But that's the negative.

240
00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.079
I think the positive of cell phones
outweighs and you just you know,

241
00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.599
outweighs the negatives. And you just
explain one of the reasons, which is

242
00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.119
pretty good. Oh. Absolutely,
And then you know most kids know how

243
00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:45.640
to use the navigation staft software.
Sure it'll acts even tell them how to

244
00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:51.960
get where they right, right,
Yeah, well I do appreciate this.

245
00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.880
So finding calebs and I said it
incorrectly before is your first book? You

246
00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.720
have the other two done. What's
next for you, Scott anything? Well,

247
00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:07.799
I just you know, it's summertime. We sit by the phone and

248
00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:11.480
wait for callouts to go out,
so um we get about one a week,

249
00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:18.400
so we're out looking for people who
are lost in in western US.

250
00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.519
And um, and that's that has
its joy to it too. But I'm

251
00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.680
going to keep writing this series.
I really feel like it was originally written

252
00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.319
for um young people, for fifteen
year year old and I'm finding that more

253
00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:37.200
and more adults are reading it and
reviewing it on Amazon now that it's a

254
00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:42.400
message for everybody that when you're lost, we'll come looking for you, just

255
00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:47.880
like you'd come looking for me.
And those dogs are just amazing. Well,

256
00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:49.720
that's wonderful, and thank you for
doing what you do. And give

257
00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:55.559
a big scratch and a kiss to
Boo for us. For sure. I

258
00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:57.759
had to put him out to do
this interview. I probably should have brought

259
00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:02.119
him in. You would have barked, Oh that would have been fun.

260
00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:07.400
That's okay, all right, well
let him back in and uh, listeners

261
00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.079
can get the book on Amazon,
correct, wherever books are sold. Yeah,

262
00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:14.160
wherever books are sold. It's on
Amazon, Barnes and Noble, all

263
00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:18.799
of the places that And here's Boo. He just came running. Yeah please.

264
00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:23.759
Oh nice, that's perfect. I
love it. What a great way

265
00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.839
to end this And for more info, you could also go to finding Scott

266
00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:32.559
Hammond with two ms dot com.
So Scott, thank you so much,

267
00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.359
Thank you, and again a big
thank you to Boo for barking on Q

268
00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:41.319
like that. That was amazing.
Thanks all right, take care, thanks

269
00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:53.640
again. Okay bye,