Uh uh, hey, everybody, welcome to Rose Pricks. It's a very
exciting day of the week. It's the day that we talk about vander Pump,
and I'm getting excited about it. Cecily, are you though, because
I don't think you're at the level that you need to be. Well,
you will be after what I'm about to talk to you about. I mean,
it's these people are all just just a bunch of trash pandas. It's
trash pandas times. What's another? Okay, what's I like pandas? I
don't know why we make them trash. Let's let's what's something what's like a
like trash piranhas? Trashy rabid? Could can piranhas get rabies? You know
that's a really good question. And so we're gonna pivot today's podcast instead I'm
talking about Vanderpump. We have a guest an animal animal activist. Oh okay,
what did you say? An animal scientist? But you are more of
an activist. I don't want an activist. I don't want somebody who's standing
up for rabid piranhas. Why they're beings just like you and just like me.
Who do you think, like, why do you think you're superior to
a piranha, and then then something that's not assentient being what is something that's
horrible that we don't like, like a big pile of dustball, like they're
they're like dust, but but that is trash. You can't be a dustball
trash because that's the same thing we've gotten off We've got an off track.
But listen, I'm so, I'm so and I know I said this last
week, Stephanie, I'm so amped up. There are so many easter eggs
in this episode. There's so much happening. It's like a fucking it's like
a it's like a Taylor Swift song every day every day. All right,
start at the beginning of it, or I'll let you lead first of all.
And here's the thing about this situation that we're doing like we are.
We're recapping the show, so we do it the next morning, but there's
so much that happens. By the time you probably put your headphones on to
listen to this podcast, a million things have come out, so we're always
sort of playing catch up, and it's it's gonna be impossible. So I
do I just want to say, I know we're a little bit behind.
But and I know this is like two days ago news, but we need
to talk about Tom Sandoval his interview on Howie Mandel. Okay, a couple
of things. First of all, why would you go on of all the
podcasts, of all the things you could go on? What don't touch me?
Don't touch me? What? What that's like? That's kind of a
cross that's Howie Mandel meets Vinnie Barbarino. Sakatay, Yeah, it's it's it
just doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense. And according to Andy
Cohen, who, by the way, I trust zero percent. Oh,
I was gonna say, can we not like hold him up as Oh,
I don't, I don't trust anything he says. In fact, there's still
a tiny bit of me that thinks this entire thing was staged and everybody's in
on it and it's brilliant. But you know, we have to put that
aside and assume that's not the case, because we're we're coming at it like
it's real. But I don't even know anymore. But Andy's saying that Bravo
never approved him going on any podcast because you know, they have to do
Bravo related shit. Right right, okay, And I mean really, so
he chose he chose Howie Mandel, like not start, not Mark Marin,
not us. Yeah. And I don't think knowing Tom Sandov all the way
I do, which is very very well. I never mentioned that to you
before. But it's not like he and Howie Mandel are like old friends.
No, they're not old friends. And oh oh sorry that got very Phoebe
or Rachel or whoever. The thing is is that you can see how he
has no idea who Tom Sandival is. So how he has this podcast with
his daughter who's very into scandabal okay, the whole thing. And I don't
listen to the podcast, but she's obviously wanted him on the show and was
like, Dad, we gotta get I mean, this is this is what
everybody's talking about, this thing, and how he's like okay, but he
literally does. He's like, so tell me who you are again? Now?
Who's Tom? Now? Who's now? Who's Raquel? I'm not joking.
He has no clue, oh my god. And the fans are just
like not having it. They don't think it's adorable, they don't think it's
like, oh this boomer, Oh my god, let's let's explain Scanda like,
I don't know what the mind, what the reasoning behind this was,
and does his daughter seem embarrassed by it? She does seem embarrassed. Yes,
I watched this on YouTube. It's over an hour and it's excruciating because
Tom Sandival is such such an asshole when I tell you the things that he's
saying. Oh, I've read about what he's saying. I what I liked
was on I was gonna call it after the final rose on Andy Cohen's you
know, on the after show and watch what Happens, which I always want
to call watch what Crappens because of but I when they asked La La if
she'd watched the thing, and she was like, no, no, it's
an hour. I'm not going to spend an hour watching that guy talk.
Laala is so bringing it. Somebody on Whispering wrote, um, La La
is a bad person and a bad friend. That was their tame, and
I wrote, that's your take from last night's episode. That's that's your one
take. I got a lot of likes. Okay, let me, um
let me just play you. I'm not sure exactly where this is going to
come in but who cares to know what? We do this for free?
We do? You know that we do this for charity. So yeah,
this is all nonprofit. We're a nonprofit. People don't know that about us.
For piranhas with brabies, we're such good, beeful. Yeah, I
love paranas. We love all secrets, all creatures, all sentient beings.
That's kind of our thing. A lot of people don't realize that. You
know, everybody's been so focused on the toms, but like, there are
really nice not all piranhas hashtag. A lot of paranas are just they're just
villainized because of their teeth, and I'm that's fair. Yeah, the movies
portray them in a very negative light, very they make them seem like they
just eat things and pray and that's that's the eat prey eat parana. Don't
realize that they are really good on the pedicure, you know, you hear
about going to Tokyo or those places where you put your feet in this little
thing and you get a little fish with the baby, the baby, the
baby piranhas. But yeah, they do a great service. They give you
massaged, they massage your feet off, they eat the dead skin dud Okay,
well, I guess you just want to have dead skin on your feet.
This has been our vanderp We have good night, so much for coming
out, support your local whatever. Okay, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
press play. I don't know what this is, but this is Tom Well,
I do know what it is. It's Tom sandival On. Um.
Howie Mandel keep wanting to say Stern, but like like Stern even wants them
because Beth Beth is just like I love cats and I love scandabal and I
want to do I want them on the show. And Howard's like, okay,
Robin's like, I don't I don't love it. I don't love it.
Um, all right, this is just I'm just coming in. I'm
just coming in anywhere to get it, just to get a sound of his
voice. And then I'm gonna go foray forward a little bit, okay.
And we always wanted to make sure and keep the optics up optic like a
solid, powerful couple because as part of our brand. Oh and is that
something that you discussed with her? Like to say, yeah, that's a
fair question. We're kind of at best like roommates and we love each other
and we're really good friends. Shut up. How share with the world that
this is not the perfect relationship? Is that a discussion? It's sort of.
I mean, especially with being on a reality show where you feel like
you got in front of me, is around you, you know that want
to try to dig up there about anything. We were very private in that
sense because you know, it's it's not like the safest of places. Okay,
hold on, let me get to this place where I know that's something
that really pisces me off. Let's stay here. That's it. It's a
TJ max commercial. It got me really mad that it's just upsetting because,
like they you think you're going to be a fashionista and then you go there
and you're like, what, I'm looking at the stuff that's off the runway
and it's not even that much cheaper. Yeah, and I see TJ Max
and I think, oh, Sandival, he wears TJ Okay, cool,
I'll wear it. I love his little tank tops. Okay, wait here
we go. She didn't notice how distance you were, like, okay,
this is Howie did it. Blaming Ariana right, she didn't notice notice.
Maybe she felt like you were drifting away because you were giving these hints,
and he was giving these and this is something you needed to do. I'm
not you're not judging you what I'm saying. You can judge me all you
want. I don't want to, but I'm not judging human and you're being
sorry. I forgot how much I appreciate that. And but what I'm saying
to you is, it's kind of like when she's made to realize, maybe
through therapy or that's what I'm saying. It's not even a wife, not
even a girlfriend. It's a it's a it's a girlfriend, it's a partner,
it's a brand. You're in business together together, and you live in
the same house. Yeah, that you both you are you partners in the
house? Yes? Yes, are you still in the house. Um yeah,
it's actually been it's actually been really pretty pretty calm lately. Okay,
So that was not exactly where I wanted us to be. But just so
you know, visually, the daughter is just giving Howie, like the look
of like, what the fuck are you saying? Because before this, as
you've probably read, how he's giving me, I've eat it on my wife
vibes. Yeah, oh my god, oh yeah, oh my god.
Yes, exactly and that's oh, I didn't even think about that. He's
like, let's not all just blame the guy here, Like things happened,
people grow apart. I'm not judging you. How could I judge you.
I grew apart from my wife and we have an open relationship now. So
who's all you have to do is let her know though this is Oh,
that's what the vibe I was getting. Oh, oh my god, exactly
that. So basically, and you probably saw this if you if you looked
it up, which I think you did. He blames her. Sandoval in
this interview says Ariana, like, we weren't even really together, and I
tried to break up with her for so long, and she was We were
just different people Like I, if I'm down, I like to get up
and go out and work out and see my friends. She just stays in
bed all day. And it just wasn't attractive, he blames. He throws
her under the bus in a way I have never even experienced as someone who's
been where she is like, he says, oh, she's kind of yeah.
I just wasn't and she wasn't having sex with me. There was no
spark, there was nothing, so somebody posted this on something one of the
Bravo pages and they gave sort of bullet points. I want to give credit
to this person brands by Bravo. I guess I'm not sure exactly who wrote
this, but I think so. Okay, okay, So these are the
bullet point Max brands whoever. Yeah, they're like TJ Max. Yes,
TJ Max. It says. So he saw and talked to Roquell as often
as he could, and said Arianna chose to not notice her fault. She
didn't notice. She didn't really pay attention enough to him. Said Arianna changed,
and he was he was trying to really hard at the end. At
the end, Arianna was trying to save it, which we saw. He
says. He broke up with her on Valentine's Day, but didn't share with
with anybody. They said they're still in the house together. We just heard
that. And it's not on the market yet. He has no friends he
can go stay with. What about Roquell? He says, Arianna punched him,
but also as so, you've been on a television show for like eleven
years. You can't afford to just go get an apartment. Yeah, so
you don't have to torture. You're I mean, listen, divorced dads do
it all the time. It's implying that he implied that she potentially threatened self
harm if he left her. So he's even if that's true, and we
are not judging that, but if that is true, like what a fucking
fucked up thing for Tom to share in the most like private personal moment for
her. The names like her for being like so upset this is all happening
all in public, and because he wanted to have sex with Roquell, whose
name is not even Roquell, her name is Rachel. Yes, because he
wanted to have sex with her and got obsessed with her, which he says,
he admits to having just gotten obsessed, and like they were obsessed with
each other, he says, facetiming each other constantly, always either on the
phone or facetiming or texting. So because he wanted that he was willing to
make a mockery of her, that's exactly right. Also, he says,
on this thing he goes. He says he's been sober for four days,
and he may continue that he's really proud of the fact that he's been sober.
For four days. Oh my god, I have to drink some water.
Hold on him. Sorry, I'm going to go away from the mic.
Because we all have misoponia, don't we. Nobody wants to hear that.
So interesting because, as you know, I'm a sober person. And
when I had right after i'd quit drinking, I wrote a blog post about
it to a small amount of people on my blog at the time. It's
like a few hundred, and then I've told you this story. I kind
of got outed because the New York Times picked up the story, and I
had all these shows trying to get me to come on and talk about being
sober. But i'dn't even sober like a few weeks, and I was like,
absolutely not. That's insane, Like that is so ridiculous that a person
who hasn't been sober very long would go like, Yeah, I'm sober,
let's talk about sobriety, like the idea, like that's something you keep to
yourself, Like the idea that he would be talking about how he's been sober
four days. No, you stopped your body's detoxing for four days. Who
cares, you didn't quit drinking. You're not doing any work, right,
oh god, No, there was no Not only that, I mean,
that's that's apparent on a macro level because he's he's has no self awareness at
all. He doesn't feel it, doesn't seem remorse. He seems so angry.
He's not remorseful at all. He's not like, you know, relationships
are tricky and there's a lot of things that you don't see on a reality
show. But I you know, I love her to the death, and
I'm I'm so sad that I heard. I mean, I want to just
fix it for him. She's fine, She's absolutely fine, and she's not
gonna get off too easy either. I'm a little pissed at her as well.
I don't think she's I said this last week too. She's no hero
here, but she didn't deserve this. And like, there's so much to
that interview. I mean, there's so much more where he just like the
things he says about like she just wasn't he wasn't hot for her anymore.
She never had sex with him, she didn't even notice when he was flirting
with so much in care Are you kidding me? Yeah? But I think
also, what's I and I understand why you're really upset by that, but
also he and freaking Rachel Roquel deserve each other. She's so terrible, she
was such a bad episode for her. Let's get into that. Let's get
into the episode. So where China and Brock. Oh, and you also
know of the rumors about Brock, right, So there's a rumor that Brock
hooked up with Roquel, and that's why China was so mad that she allegedly
punched her, which she's still denying. I don't know if I believe.
I don't know who to believe there, But on watch what Happens, they
did like a pool and I saw that, and they asked if she believed
if they believe that, but they both I don't really believe it. It
seems, you know, now we're going down like sort of a qan on,
like when you when you read things online. There's so many conspiracies,
right, But I mean, who can say I don't think so with Brock,
I don't. I actually just I don't like the guy, but I
don't think so. Uh Okay, so we would have said that about everybody
else too, probably so right, well, I don't think I would have
ever said it about Sandoval. Sandoval ended up with Ariana in a cheat he
was with Kristen, he was dating Kristen and hooked up with Ariana while he
was still dating Kristen, and she knew, and Ariana knew they were together,
right, still not saying in any way she deserves this right, but
he also there were so many members of him cheating, and that's what we
talked about last week too. Jack's was screaming it from the rooftops. He's
like, why am I always the guy? Why are you guys always pointing
figures with me? Sandoval cheats every single time he leaves the city, and
and Ariana is like what No one believed him except Kristin. Except Kristin,
who was like, I'm telling and she she I don't think she used the
word gas lit back then, but she was screaming, and everyone like,
why don't you believe me? Interesting? Yeah, I use cheating Arion And
the whole time he's a fucking lying, cheating narcissist. I know he's a
human, as Howie Mandel wants us to remember. I get that we don't
want him to be harmed, but like he could take a minute. Yeah,
okay, So Roquel is a c word. I wrote it. That's
the first thing I wrote for this episode, just the C word, but
so a Schwartz. I always give Schwartz a pass, but he's also a
C word. So we open up with that with Roquell and Tom the kiss,
and then they go they go somewhere private and make out, and then
Schwartz is like, I won't make out with you again, and then she
says, no, you can make out with me whenever I want, whenever
you want, which I think comes back into play in this episode because that's
what actually happens is she she's saying, no, let's you can make out
with me whenever you want. Oh yeah, she's saying that, but and
then she says her Roquelle says, I mean she already hates me, so
whatever. All of this is like kind of being done in my mind at
Katie. Oh one, she does say that it is being done at Katie,
but it's also like a cover up. She was never I don't think
she was into Schwartz. This was Sandoval was already happening, right, so
this would be a fun little thing. There was some point where I feel
like Schwartz says something to somebody like, oh, are you mad or is
so? Is it illegal? He's not talking? Oh, he says it's
not. It's not illegal. He's not talking about Katie's talking about Sandoval.
He feels bad about that. Oh, I'm kissing my friends, my friend's
obsession, all for the show, all to cover up everything. I don't
know why. I mean, this is just a conspiracy. I don't you
know, it's a theory. I don't know. It seems like it's probably
true, though, I mean it seems like it. So then okay,
So then Shena calls La La the next day and and she's like, did
you see did you see with Katie's in the room? How bad did you
feel for Katie in that moment when Sheina tells La Lallah, did you see
Schwartz and Rockel make out? I felt terrible? But also and this is
like, I know this is not the point, but uh, you know,
as a as a newer viewer, I also just I can't take the
Shena constantly with about her wedding, like she really was first calling her.
I know she was. I know the real reason was to talk about the
kiss, but when she first calls her, it's to bitch her out about
not being at her stupid party. Oh my god, enough Shena with oh
my god, Lalla, why are you not at Why are you not twenty
four seven at my beck and call? Oh you know, along with fifty
other people. I mean, listen, I I really am loving Lalla this
season, and I know that. That's how I've had arguments with people online
about it. And I get it. She has done terrible things too,
That's the thing we've said. She's cheated, she's she's done women dirty like
she's But I do think she's grown a little bit, like she's who you
want on your side, Like if I was ever mad at someone, I
want Lalla back and oh yeah, and she's holding her own and I think
she holds her own machina. She's not scared of anybody. She's just like,
I've been at your I'm coming to your events enough, ye be at
the wedding, I like. But yeah, so, uh, Lala doesn't
react exactly the way she was hoping. So then she gets right to the
oh my god, this kiss, like what about them kissing? Yeah?
And poor Katie, I agree with you, it was horrible. I love
that she. Katie was pretty strong too, we find out at the end
of the episode spoiler that she's been seeing someone, which she's allowed to do.
Um, but the whole deal was just not in our friend group.
Yeah. Yeah, so now she's like, okay, cool. That gave
me the exact kick that I needed to like move on for sure. Like
I think she got I think she grew stronger from this and handled it.
She's also seems very medicated. But we'll come back to that. Um,
Okay. Then I just wrote fuck you, James. I don't remember.
Why would you know why? Yeah? I wrote, so James sucks because
he's like, Yeah, what everyone wants to make out with Raquel. They
want to her, they want to fuck her in the pussy and up the
ass and then the mouth. My dog pomped back into the room. Right
when I said that, I was like, oh, people, I'm sorry,
that's not what That's not how mama usually talk. That's not what this
show is. But then Ali, his girlfriend is like, you guys are
disgusting. She's tough too. I love She's way too good for James.
That will not last. Yeah, but what is the deal with Like,
this is who this guy is, and you're like, I'm going to walk
out of the room. This is tiresome, Well, it must be tiresome
every moment of every day with him. And also it's always comparing Roquel,
like he's saying, yes, of course, she's so beautiful, of course,
Like he can't even hold back on that. He's like, everybody wants
to Yeah. I think he's frustrated because she broke up with him, but
also because he knew that all these guys wanted to have sex with her.
He already knows about Sandoval. By the way, there was an easter egg
in there. You can tell like he already knows about everything, I think.
And so he's like, I told you everybody wanted to find No one
believes me. No one believes a little British guy. That's what I think
he feels. But I who can speak for James. So during this part
though, too, when she's because so Shena calls back, they're like,
go get the information. So Sheena calls back and tells her yeah, and
they're on the phone with Brock and they're like, oh, everyone saw them
kiss. And then that's when La La is like she's a disgusting swamp creature.
And then sheina says no, no, no, no, we're not
going to do that, and then Shena goes, okay, it's that all
that whatever, it's fine, but I just really want to come back to
the fact that you miss some really special moments. Shut up, sheina,
she's so awful. She's like, yeah, no, right, I can't.
Sometimes she talks like the Pleasure Veneers they're too big. So it's like,
yeah, I mean, I just you didn't call to my party and
you're in Hawaii party, but okay whatever, Like it's just it's so much
even worse than that because of that, with like this, I can't I
really really really don't like don't like Shena. We are on the same finally.
I mean, you love James, I feel like, yeah, he's
great. You love sand of all. You just support him, you believe
in him. But we're on the same page about Shena bats for sure.
So now Roque Roquel is a sociopath, Like she just has no she doesn't
care what she says in front of whoever. She's so happy with herself.
I wrote, she's talking about having a moment with Schwartz in front of Sandoval.
Remember that. She's like, yeah, we had a moment yeah oh
yeah, oh that was yes, and he had to act like he didn't
care. He's like like coke clench, the coke clench, the sand of
ball. Cocaine clench is beyond Like he should go live somewhere where he can
like work for a cartel or something. So I just saying. So,
then we're in the Shena is in a room, like in the hotel room
with Roquell, and she just cannot stop talking about how she's just like Lala
missed the biggest event, like the biggest event of all the events that were
happening for my fucking wedding, you know, the two weeks of NonStop partying
for my wedding. That was the biggest event. She missed it. And
then Roquell goes, yeah, not a good let Yeah yeah yeah, just
like a fucking little Bitchy's sickophan. She's she's got a sick of fan.
She's not even smart enough to be a sick aphan. She's not even like
she doesn't even let someone take charge of her. She's not even a beta
because she doesn't even know how to do that. She's an omega. She's
the bottom one sorry, I know she's a human now. I want to
say this a little easter egg. I don't know if anyone caught it.
They're in the room, but then they go back to Schwartz for a second
and he's talking to someone off camera and you can't quite tell who it is,
and he says something I just wrote. Who's he talking to you?
For a second, I think it was Jack's. The voice I heard was
Jack's, because Jack's was at the wedding but opted to be off camera.
He producers, apparently, according to Jack's, asked if they wanted to film,
you know, do you want to film with the guys for this even
though and he said no, Itchina's big day. So we're just gonna He
and Brittany are just gonna get you know, They're not gonna stay at the
same hotel, but they're gonna be there. Okay, So I think Tom,
I think Schwartz was talking to Jack's for a second, who was like,
Oh, that was crazy. I think I'm gonna go back to my
I'll just go back to the room. Remember when he says that, Yeah,
it didn't seem to be Sandaval, but I could be wrong. Um,
Okay, are we at the part now where Tom where they're all in
the room and Tom starts yelling Roquell, Roquell, Roquel, with Ariana sitting
right next to her. Can we just jump to that because I lost my
mind? Okay, but we need to just just talk about the fact that
because it was so annoying that Roquell's like, wouldn't it be funny because they're
all just trying to fuck over Katie. She's like, would it would it
be cool? Like I should walk down the aisle with Schwartz. Oh that's
later. No, oh maybe I think so though I think I'm going in
order, but um sure, yeah, okay, it's shitty. It's so
shitty. I mean, of course that she wants to say that because she's
I mean, there's no like, there's no defending her a thing. When
she's like, I mean, here's the thing, like just because my pageant
history. Yeah, like I'm a pageant girl, so it's like really important
to me, like the way I walk. She's just she's horrible. Yes,
yes, for sure. But then okay, so now we're at a
party. Now we're at a party, and this is I've I mean,
this is probably where everybody was like, what, So they're all drunk,
and I, as I've said before, I can't prove this. I assume
they're on molly. I know they've done that a lot in the past.
That's what they seem to be doing. They seem to be on something beyond
just drinking. Okay, right, So they're all sitting at this table,
Tom, Roquel, this is the order in Ariana. They're all just sitting
there and all of a sudden, Tom's going Roquel Rocque, Roquel at Aarni
Ariana go stop Tom, they're being weird. Stop Why are you yelling Roquel?
With Tom Sandoval was doing that or Sanda mall Yes. It was the
biggest moment in the whole thing. And I wrote like, oh my god,
this can't be real. There's no way that Ariana. I was like,
this has to be fake because even her acting actually seemed a little off
on this. I'm like, she knows something, she knows something. This
is so weird because Sande balls like Roquel, he goes, he goes like
this. He was like Raquel, Raquel, Raquel, Raquel. He keeps
doing that and Ariana goes stop it, and then what does he do?
And he's like, whoa what. I just think it's like, she's just
I don't know, she's he doesn't really do anything. He's just acting bizarre
and cooked out. Okay, that's crazy. So oh no, here's what
it is. He says, oh, because Raquel just made out with Schwartz.
And then this is where I got mad at Ariana because instead of getting
really mad in that moment, like don't do that to my friend and business
partner, she starts laughing and he's like, oh my god, Okay,
I need deets. So now it's fine. When when when Rockell's making out
with Katie's X, I guess it's a little bit different because they were xs
as opposed to Ariana, they were together, so that is different. That
kind of kind of pissed me off. Yeah. Yeah. Arianna seems very
often the scene like either, like I wrote, either she's rolling on E
or she's faking. She's either really fucked up, which is probably either it
could be either, or she's faking some sort of part of the storyline.
I can't place it, but it doesn't seem authentic. M But that was
a major, major moment, and then I just wrote I love you Katie,
and then I just wrote, Katie does not have to explain why this
sucks. She was trying to tell somebody at some point like this really hurts
Katie. We know we're with you right now. That was that before or
after? Because I have that. Sheena talks to Lala again more about her
wedding and is like, well, there's a dinner tonight. Are you coming
to that? I don't remember exactly, Like, no, I'm not because
I don't want to be around Roquell because she's a girl. This is where
She's like, I thought this was a great scene for Lala. She's like,
listen, this is a girl who would try to get with Randall.
Like, this is a girl who goes after everybody's boyfriends. I don't want
to be around that. It's triggering for me. And then her mom she
says her mom saw it. That might have been Watch what happened? She
oh, yeah, and watch what happened. She's like, my mom told
me to watch out for Roquell. Isn't that interesting? Yeah? And then
Shena's like, no, she isn't, No, she isn't. And I
wrote, to Lala's credit, she sticks to her guns and she's like,
nope, and then Shena that's this is the scene where Shena, which they
replayed and the watch what happens when Shena's like, well, this is my
wedding, so you're kind of this is why you're here. It's from my
wedding. And then Laala's like, everyone here has things going on outside.
They're outside in their life, so your wedding is the most important thing to
you, but it's not the most important thing to everybody else. And then
she has like a meltdown to camera. I've been a pretty chill bride.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And what fucking universe have you been a chill
Bride's later that all of what you're talking about comes up in the next thing.
There was a little thing that happened before that where Schwartz. Schwartz is
telling James an Ali about the kiss and James is being creepily calm about it.
A lot of people were talking about this online. It was like,
what's going on here? Why is James being so calm about it? Did
he is it because he knew Schwartz really was just a decoy and he was
able to handle it in you know, moments. But it's so weird to
me that James, who gets riled up about everything when when Schwartz full on
is like, yeah, we made out whatever. James at that moment was
just like kind of chill and it was it was creepy because that isn't either
he was I don't know when he was on, but it was so weird.
And I also wrote Arianna and this scene doesn't seem to care that much.
She's a little annoyed that he keeps yelling Roquell, but like there's a
lot of flirtation going down and she's sort of like whatever, doing her own
thing. Um, Yeah, it's strange. And then before this is also
before there's so many things that happened. They just keep coming. The thing
where Schwartz is trying to get Sandoval out of bed, remember all slept in
the next morning, and it's like I wrote, why does Sandoval not care
that Schwartz made out with Rockel because it's all contrived again and more proof that
he's sort of like, oh, okay, man, what evs? It's
not what evs because they'd already hooked up right, um. And then that's
exactly where yeah, I wrote down like Lalas keeps exactly the thing you just
said stands up for Katie sticks to her guns and Sheina says she's a chill
bride. I just sort of shut the fuck up. I just when when
any scene with Sandoval, to me, it's like, um, it's like
they're playing a part. It's like their characters in the Three Amigos, you
know, Like I just picture him where like a giant, like, yeah,
somebrero hat and like, what is happening with his look? Oh god,
you're right, he looks like now he looks like he's in a sketch,
Like he's in a bad sketch. Yeah, like in early nineties,
not a good like bad cast. And he's he's also such a bad actor.
I do remember, you know, he's an actor. Remember a lot
of them are. They're all trying to be right, you know, famous.
But he also he did come he didn't come from influencing. He was
before that, so he was trying to be an actor and he tries to
act here too, and he just it's you can always see through it.
That was one of my things I hated the most about him for ten seasons,
right because he was just the worst actor on the show. Um okay,
So yes, so they go to their stupid dinner. Although can I
just say how beautifully sun kissed they all looked, they all Katie and Tancina,
they looked so pretty. And then when Lala joined them as well,
they just all looked the way they were lit by the sun. I was
like, I like this, although I kind of feel bad for Katie that
Christina is like I know so little about her. I'm like, this is
who she gets stuck with. She's so fucking boring, she really is.
They both seem a little xanexed out. They seem like Katie has had I
don't know if you know this, but through the people have talked through the
years about like what is she on. She's slurring and she's always real shit,
it's too chill, so there might be something going on there whatever.
So then, um, let's see they're going on there. They have their
sun kiss moment. They're not at dinner yet, this is their pre drink
and Roquell is just dumbing it up, just dumbing it up. Oh,
Lala still talking about the dawn. Um and they she said something about how
she hadn't had dick in so long, so she dis combobulated. Yes,
which I think should be maybe the name of this episode. I just wrote
that down. Dick's combobulated, Dick combosulated. Yeah, yeah, Okay.
And that's when Roquell says that she doesn't want to walk with shorts because during
the rehearsal he walked too slowly and she's a model and she can't walk so
slowly. This is the thing, and again we are known for not look
shaming. We're known for we're such feminists. I mean, that's something about
us. I really don't look shame though. We don't. We don't,
we don't, But I'm what, so this isn't a look shame because if
you're on this reality show, obviously you're prettier than the average person. But
I don't get the rock hell thing like they are all acting like she's like
the most beautiful woman on the show. I think she's just average. She's
cute, and I don't even think it's not like I like the Shena look
either, which is so over so much makeup and all that, but just
objectively, Shena is a lot prettier than than Roquell. They're all prettier.
I mean, Lawa's way pretty. They're all to me. To me,
roque Hell is just one of the leaner ones. So I just don't get
the obsession everyone has with how and even with her with herself, being like,
hey, I'm a pageant girl, I'm this, I'm a model.
It's like, I mean, don't doesn't she have any shame being next to
all these other more attractions? No self aware, She's too dumb to feel
shame. She doesn't feel any shame. She doesn't have that kind of mind.
She doesn't think beyond I mean, I'm not in her mind, but
she doesn't seem to care. She's so if you feel like that mind shaving
we are. I am gonna mind shame her. I'm gonna mind shame,
but I got her. Oh did you notice this? When they're doing the
rehearsal dinner, Shena, Okay, She's like, you know what, I'm
just gonna take the veil off because it's acting weird. She's like, it's
okay, though, it's okay, it's okay. It's like, Oh,
you're such a hero for taking your dumb fucking veil off that. Oh yeah,
that was during their actual wedding. Oh was that during the actual thing?
Okay, somehow that may have been. I don't know how that like
got Oh, you're right, that was during the actual thing. You're right,
because then they did that and she's like, I'm just gonna take it
off. I'm here, I'm here, and she grabs his face and then
her vows are like you slid into my dms. Oh, get the fuck
out of here with this. Yeah, but then she also ought, like
two camera has to talk about just what a great bride she is, Like,
she's the kind of person. I'm the type of bride that's just like,
I'm just about I'm just about the getting married part. I'm just about
broccola. You see how I'm just going to roll with the changes. It's
like, oh, yeah, that that you have just been an example of
rolling with the changes. You haven't been controlling of everybody at all. Oh
my god, such a good Yes. That's like she's a hero, Stephanie.
She's a bride hero, not she's a chill bride. I love that
Lala was bugging James. She's really fucking with him. I love when she
does that. She's done that for seasons. Okay, so let's get to
James confronting Roque. Yes, yeah, you tell us about that. Basically,
James Is just says to Roquelly he's just sick of her shit. All
of a sudden, he's like, can you stop fucking making out with everyone
from our friend group? And then he says he names the people, but
Peter said, well Peter, which he did. Someone says he started to
say Sandoval and stopped himself, but I didn't go back and look, but
I read that, which makes me think they all knew some things. You
know. It looks like there was something where he's like, knows Sandoval as
well. So he mentions all these people and then he's like, you were
engaged to me and then and then Roquell's only excuses like She's like, yeah,
how we were engaged for a long time and then when we broke up,
you had a girlfriend three weeks later, right, and then she's like,
I'm just trying to live my life. He's like, could you live
it in another friend group or something like that, something like that. He's
so mad, so sassy. He's so sassy, But I love that Lala
is making it worse for him because he's no hero either. And I also
back to the wedding, when the DJ. The DJ is so lame,
like they're twenty one years old, introducing the brad yeah and the group.
But this we're still right now at the rehearsal dinner. I nobody goes back
and forth. I mean, I'm beyond the rehearsal dinner. Oh well,
I have a couple of things to before we get to their actual wedding,
which is one of them is that sheina is made me hate her ten times
more because back in the hotel room, Shena's like, I guess what,
guys, I'm already married. Oh that's right, Yeah, I've been married
for a year. It's like, why the fuck then, and you're all
about like, yeah, I don't even really care about the wedding. I
just cared about like being married to like my soulmate. But well, then
why are we doing all of this? Like it did anybody else feel like
what this is all for? Show? Then your whole intense thing about this
needs to be the perfect wedding and everybody needs to be at every single event,
and we have to have thirty thousand breakfasts and brunches and rehearsal dinners and
catamarans. And you're already fucking married and have been for a year. I
get the fuck out of here. I know this is what I mean.
This is exactly okay. Okay, So when they're at their sushi dinner,
let's talk about Schwartz showing up with Katie and Christina. You're okay, buddy,
that was Schwartz is here. Um, Schwartz is here. Um.
Yeah. So they're they're having their sushi dinner laalas with them too, and
remember Schwartz shows up. This is a big deal, and he's still gaslighting
her. He's like, takes a piece of sushi. He's like, I
don't want you to be mad at me. And this is when Katie yells
at him. He's like, She's like, I think you're a drunk.
I think you're a loser. And then he's like, well, I don't
really care what you think anymore. I've turned a corner. I don't really
care what you say. That was a very big moment, because like,
it was a big moment for I mean not that she's never said that to
Tom before. And I do want to say, having watched every minute of
every episode, she's been terrible to Tom in the past. Sometimes he's worse
to her, but I think she's also you know, she rage texts a
lot. She name calls oh, well she was rage texting him before he
shows the text. Yeah, it's all just like I fucking hate you.
You're a piece of shit. Fuck you. It is a lot crazy,
Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's you know, I
mean, ideally, I can understand why Katie feels the way she feels,
and she put out with him for so long, but for him to why
does he keep lurking around these dinners? It is really weird. And then
and when Katie says, well, I'm upset, he's like, well,
we've been divorced for seven months. Why do you care if I make out
with Roquel? And I agree with you that she shouldn't have to keep explaining
it. She's like you because it was in front of all my friends and
you and you said you wouldn't yes. And then he's like, well it
shouldn't really matter. Who cares. He doesn't care never, And then and
then he says you're toxic. It's like, well, then why did you
come? And she's not coming to you right, keep coming to her,
so stop coming to her to tell her how toxic. She is. I
mean, okay, so let's do this final scene before we do watch what
happens because I know we're long on time. But Rocca, okay, Roquel
trying to talk to la La. First of all, I love her.
She's like, I just felt like, Lalla is like, what we were
having such a good girls trip. I thought we had a moment, you
cried, you had a panic attack in the car, I hugged you,
remember all that, and Rockheal's like, but it just feels like you guys
weren't laughing with me. I mean, it just feels like you're laughing at
me. Yes, we're all laughing at you. True. And She's like,
it's just I just I don't like it. And then I love that.
Laala was like, look, girl, you have a mental breakdown coming,
just letting you know. I love that she said that. It's a
true like I did too. But I was wondering why at first was Laala
trying to make like First of all, Laala was back in the other hotel
room earlier. Laala was like, fuck her, She's a swamp creature.
I don't want to ever be around her. But then when Rockell pulls her
aside. At first, She's like, oh, I thought we were having
like a nice time, Like, why is Laala doing that? She was
just saying that about the trip the lake. Have a sued. This is
before now she's now she's Roquell is dead to her because Rockhal's now as far
as they know, as far as we know that, they know she's hooked
up with Shorts and Lalla is like, oh god no. But she was
saying, Hey, we were cool to you at the lake. Katie was
cool with you. What is your problem? Right? Are you acting like
this? And so that well, she does say I thought we were cool.
She's like, I thought, well, she thought they were cool that
then she knows they're not cool now, right, Okay, like that's for
sure. And then okay, so next week, a little bit of a
preview is that Katie's going to bring her weird boyfriend around who doesn't look great.
But I can't judge it based on whatever. We don't know anything.
I'm glad she has a boyfriend. Yeah, okay, a little watch what
happens. I think we kind of already covered it. But I do want
to say how much I love Gillian Jacobs from Community. She's one of my
favorites. And she was in that show Love. She was in Love and
I love Love and I met her. So she's friends with a friend of
mine and I went to his birthday party and she was there, and my
friend embarrassed me because he was like, oh my god, my friend loves
you more than anyone. Like it was such a weird introduction. It was
like, you're her favorite actress. And I was like all right, and
I could. And Gillian was so nice about it. She's like, Okay,
well, she's so nice, you would love. She's sober, by
the way, not sober. I don't know if she's sober, like she
otober, but she was talking about she was talking about this at the party
and she's like, I just never really drank. It wasn't like yeah,
she's just very chill really like she's just really cool. I liked her so
much. But I liked them together. I didn't know. I mean,
Gillian can make anything work with anybody, to make anyone feel at ease,
So I thought that they were kind of keep together. But they kind of
covered everything that we've already covered. They were really you know, except that
Lalla said she was suspicious back in August, which is kind of the timeline
that they're all kind of sticking to, right. I thought that was a
little bit interesting. Oh yeah, she said it so many times, so
many times, she's like it was suspicious of her. The only thing it
was a little bit of not the best look for Laala. We can all
agree is that she did get asked quite a few times about like, how
is this different, like from your affair with a married man, and she
just kept going, I'm not going to answer that it's different, okay,
and I'm not going to explain it to you different. I'm not really sure
that. I'm sure that randol Emmett's ex wife would say it was not different
to her, right, And Lala was throwing it in people's faces, you
know, she was going on a show and saying, my guy bought me
a range Rover. They used to make fun of her because they're like,
yeah, I guess, suck a dick, you get a private private jet,
you know, right, that was the joke all the time. But
I guess the other end of that story could be that Randall was saying,
and I'm sure he was saying, oh, we're over. Oh she's awful.
She never sleeps with me. She's not, you know, I guarantee
Randall was saying all that, right, But then, how's it different because
it sounds like Sandoval. It sounds like Sandoval was saying that now here the
differences Roquell really sucks and was going after that was in her friend group,
like I could see the difference being that for Lala would be like, but
I wasn't fucking over my friends. Like if if I was with this married
guy who was lying to me and telling me like, oh, it's totally
over with my wife, I wasn't fucking over his wife. I didn't know
her right as opposed to we know that doesn't matter what Sandoval says to Raquel.
Raquel knows that that's her friend who she has a relationship with, yes,
because it's the friend group. But also we know Ariana and she's saying
what Sandoval is saying is not true. We didn't have Randall's ex wife on
the show saying like, Lala, I'm telling you it's not trut he's lying,
right, I mean, of course he was lying, but you know
right, I mean, yeah, there's very few. I mean, do
we have a hero of this episode? No? Thanks, so the Piranha
Well, by the way, you guys, um, thanks for listening to
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dot com. Let's talk for one second about the coming attractions where we see
that Raquel is we're going to get to the part where she makes out with
all of her Giselle's son again. Yes, and that and that he's married,
right, that's the big reveal, is like, no, he's he's
married. He's fully married. And she's already done that. She did that
a few episodes ago, but she's gonna do it again now she's now we're
going to go on some sort of stupid storyline where she's gonna be like,
I'm really into him, and she's she's going to be like, oh,
he's still married. Mmmmm, I didn't know that. She's just silly.
Please don't forget that Gina was the mistress with Brandy and then she was like
and she made herself the victim the entire time that she was cheating on like
Brandy was being cheated on, right, right, Let's never forget. I
mean, all of these people. It's just they're all trash. There's no
there Katie, Katie might be a little bit of even though she raged tech,
she's never cheated on it. She never cheated on Tom. Can we
can we make her the hero? Okay, I need her to be I
need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero till the morning light.
He's got to be fresh for the fight is one. It's got to be
straw and Katie's fast. And Katie is fresh from the fight. So because
she seems so kind of artificially load, Okay, she's not fast. Maybe
Ali's are here. She's she's strong, she's fast, she's fresh from the
fight. I guess Ali. All right, Well, we brought you a
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