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The o' chilly effect is sponsored by
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yeah, I know, most aggravated
noise and in our media, Chuck

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o' shelley. It's an odd time
a day for me to start. And

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if you're on the live stream,
you're a little bit nervous. Why did

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I just get interrupted in the replays? But that's okay, don't worry about

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it. Anybody who's checking this out
by a podcast or video, you're like,

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what the hell are you talking about? It's the third day of October

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October, right, yeah, October
twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that

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thing we call a calendar, and
this is the o'celly effect. So what

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are we doing today? An odd
time because I had to catch Part two

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with doctor Jessica Rose. Why well, there's a lot of reasons why and

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part two part three. I could
do part fifty with this lady because the

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amount of knowledge that she has given
her background is immense. I brought a

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friend along with me though this time, so Captain Trips, you know,

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glad to have you along. I
always tell people that you are the only

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medical professional that I ever trust anywhere, and that is the truth at this

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point, because I've gotten very well
nervous about a lot of other medical professionals

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over the past few years. And
I do trust you. You've never actually

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treated any member of my family.
But I consult you if I have any

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questions, because look, I'm at
least satisfied to know that I don't know

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it all and I'd rather have consultation
now. Is that official? Not necessarily,

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But even in the circumstances where I've
taken it upon myself to experiment upon

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myself, I've asked you questions about
heart rate and things like that. What

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are danger signs? What would be
a good idea for me to seek a

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natural solution about? This is full
disclosure, Captain Trips. But I'm glad

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to have you with me today.
How you doing, man, I'm doing

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well, and it's a pleasure to
be here. And quite frankly, it's

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an honor to be sharing sharing the
hour with doctor Rose. Right, And

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I'm I don't have uh, you
know, I don't have the script for

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Captain Trips here. He's going to
jump in and ask a question when he

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wants, and it's definitely going to
become pertinent to him real quick. So

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now that I've reminded everybody about my
friend, and if you've listened to the

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show before, you know Captain Trips. Of course that's the name so that

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we don't ever ever create a problem
for him professionally. Uh, and I

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love the name. It's also his
Twitter handle and all that good stuff.

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Oh wait a minute, No,
he's still one minute to midnight. But

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then again, his name is Captain
Trips on Twitter. Yeah, I've never

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changed, never changed the accounts,
but but yeah, the screen name comes

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up as Captain Trips. There originally
the man, the man who coined that

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name, and uh, in the
what nineteen seventy eight novel has gone completely

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crazy, and that being Stephen King. Yeah, and just that's for the

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record. That JFK book don't by
it sucks anyways. You know there's my

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it's opinion, as somebody who is
expert on the literature in the JFK case,

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that is a waste of time,
that damn Stephen King thing. Anyway,

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Enough of all that, because let's
get to Jessica Rose. Jessica's thank

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you for coming back on. I'm
gonna kick a very very very hard jump

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off point for you. You know, to begin with. But first,

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how are you doing today? Is
everything rolling? I know you're busy,

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as you should be, because I
don't see why everybody pretty much who does

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anything similar to what I'm doing isn't
talking to you, because you make a

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hell of a lot more sense than
most of the trust the science crowd.

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Oops, I said it. We're
going to get to that in a minute.

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But how are you doing today,
Jessic? I'm good? Can I

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throw something in please? All right? So this blows my mind. This

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is what I freaked out about off
camera before we started, and it's very

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pertinent. Okay, I have a
friend. I'm a surfer. I have

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a surfer friend I bumped into yesterday
and he told me a whole horrifying story

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and will I'm going to read you
verbatim what I posted to Twitter. I'm

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at jess loves MJK if you want
to check it out. My friend not

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dot. I had a group of
ten friends from grade one type pack.

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We were all fifty years old.
We're all fifty years old. All ten

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got injected multiply with Pfizer COVID nineteen
product I didn't. One is dead,

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five have multiple strokes, one had
a brain hemorrhage, and I wrote,

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this is not an anecdote, it's
a study, and it has. Now

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this is the part that blows my
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I wrote about what my friend told
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thousand. Well, I have ninety
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but it has over one million views. One million people read the words the

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story of my friend's group of ten
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of all, say how blown my
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words, but how important it is
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be just expressed in any medium.
People can do it because these are the

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things that are linking the real people
together. It's like, it's like I

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said, they're not going to be
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Every single person knows a pack of
people who've been directly impacted by not

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by the original pathogen, but by
the shots. So I just wanted to

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throw that in. I'm very busy, but I'm strong, and I'm working

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on it. Well, listen,
that's great. And I read that yesterday

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as well, and I said to
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mind blowing, because she's right.
We have now a randomly assembled sample based

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on a common point of origin for
a group of people. Well, oh,

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wait a minute, this is how
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this is something the guy didn't intentionally
assemble, but he's saying it.

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Now, we would have to ask
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reason or is this an exact you
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people he's got there. But let's
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it's is Israeli, and Israelis have
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like if you're if you're in a
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stay together, like you get these
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from school. It's really tight here. So it's actually like this place would

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be really interesting to do that because
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you know, we do have these
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everyone's trying to write this off.
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it's like, no, it's not. I've read peer reviewed studies that have

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less than ten people included, and
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Wort's like, sorry, I didn't
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because that's perfect. Look my point
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You could probably assemble study groups if
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has a point of origin or that
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now. I mean there's a lot
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group together and say, look,
these are all adult people and they all

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have this common exposure, common point
of origin, common current circumstance, whatever

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it may be. Okay, so
that you have a lot of variables,

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but here's your commonality, and you
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common group. Now, what was
introduced into the group the shot. Let's

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take this shot. So okay,
how many people got it, how many

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people didn't, and what is the
result of that. This is something that

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everybody could do if they have a
circle of people in one way or another,

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and they could assemble a study group. And this is it is anecdotal

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in a way, but it's a
legitimate way to collect groups and say look,

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here's what my data says. Okay, And again I realize that people

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go, well, look, they
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I talked last time about how they
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so I urge people look at part
one of this interview for that it is

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relevant. But what about the idea
of how about do it yourself, create

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your own study out of the available
data set in front of you, which

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is your life. How about that, doctor Jessica, Is that a valid

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way to proceed right now? Oh? One hundred percent. That's what I'm

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trying to encourage. Because the other
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haven't had time, but there are
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I'll just say there are hundreds of
comments, and all the comments I've

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read are exactly the same thing.
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people, these people in my family, these things happened to them, and

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it's not just that like there are
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Well, that sounds like a contradiction
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family sized group to have suffered at
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That's a big group of people who
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But tell you something really funny that
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here's another cohort I could put together. How about this, because everybody stresses

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genetics and genetic commonality. In my
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an interesting study among my offspring and
a few extended family that share a lot

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of the same DNA all right,
because you know, some people said there

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were different results for DNA and okay, now you're a racist because you did

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that. Sorry, but clients,
you know what, if you don't believe

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that ethnicity contributes to scientific results,
go talk to an anesthesiologist, please,

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because that they can easily kill somebody
with a different DNA structure, okay,

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with a different ethnicity if they give
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they need to know the ethnicity of
the patient, believe it or not,

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okay when they administer. This is
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of doctors over the years and competent
ones that that I don't know too many

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of them today. It's gotten weird. But at one point I knew that

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there were certain people that knew how
to do their jobs, okay, and

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one of those people that was very
careful about that were anesthesiologists, because you

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could indeed kill somebody very easily by
administering the wrong amount. Indeed, there

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are and I don't believe me.
Don't anybody believe me. Go look at

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it. See why it is.
Certain drugs are absolutely banned in Asia,

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if you like, because it's not
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Okay, their genetic makeup is not
compatible with certain chemicals. Okay, that's

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just the way it is. I'm
not a racist, believe me. You

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know, I'm no more racist than
anybody else. This isn't a racist statement.

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This is a matter of medical fact. Leave it at that. Maybe

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you know, I don't know.
If you want to comment on that,

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that's fine, But I'm just saying
that that's part of the reality. So

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I can study among my offspring and
a lot of people that have common genetic

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elements here, very particular to my
family line. Interesting, I don't have

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deaths, but I do have constant
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of the study here. And I
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what, took the shots and took
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keep getting sick. Those of us
sharing genetic commonality that didn't. Yeah,

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funny, thing. We're not sick. We got sick once, we got

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sick, not at all over this
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different parts of the country, slightly
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my youngest son and myself are in
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Maybe George is just healthier. No, it's really not. But but for

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some reason, we didn't get sick
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took these things, you know,
they said, you've become symptomatic, et

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cetera. And then they explained that
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I getting sick taking a shot?
Anyway? I love this the idea of

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the d Y I do it yourself. Dy excuse me, do it yourself.

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Yes, I got my letters straight
now blind and sometimes dyslexic, I

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suppose. But you know, d
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at the sets of data where you
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and then just explore it. Look
tell me, as matter of fact,

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tell me, tell the world there's
nothing wrong, you know what. Please,

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let's look at that everybody did well
that took the shot, show me

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that because funny thing and maybe it's
just because of my social media feeds and

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the people I know. But seems
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are explanations and excuses for adverse events, or there are no adverse events.

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And among the no adverse events or
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like a lot of us crazy conspiracy
theorists that didn't participate in this what is

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now a wide open test in my
estimation among the population. Okay, which

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is another thing I'd love for you
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test this before too well, But
you know what, now we have a

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case study which is emerging. And
guess what, everybody who creates one of

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these DEIY groups. You know,
if we assembled that all together, you

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get a narrative that will emerge,
You get a reasonable study. Here,

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wait a minute, among these groups
and you can start grouping them together and

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creating clusters. And it's funny because
as you said, among the million people,

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and I was one of them that
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retweet it, see everything else.
Yeah, it's a handful of studies

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and while we have something very interesting
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again, look, there's lots of
things along the way bias can be created.

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You could ignore certain data. You
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the study. You could include people
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that can be made along the way. But that's the kind of work that

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should have been checked here. And
here's the problem. To my knowledge,

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it looks to me like still we
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data as it is, and at
this point the population is being tested.

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So let's get to what it is
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the data and the result of that. And again we're going to wind up

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having to talk to Captain Trips in
a minute, and I'm going to shut

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up because, first of all,
a great story about what's on social media,

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and I urge people please go and
look at that too. I'll find

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a way to get the link and
I'll put it in the show notes.

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at it. Let's see when I
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it was a remarkable thing and I
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which I don't often do on social
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and just you know, it's fun, it's a joke. It's all right

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that it's you know, it's okay
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okay to be observe clowns. It's
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that sometimes. But that had me
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stuff, so I appreciate it anyhow. So what is actually asked it is

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true, And I love that because
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this today, and it's a bit
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the honesty in someone asking is this
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might be like, of course,
but it's like, no, it's not.

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for anybody who reads it from here
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I bumped into my friend yesterday and
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I can talk to about this stuff
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the people, the crazy people who
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the like any of the narrative.
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still being called crazy by the remaining
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remarkably. I mean, he says
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and it has to be hard because
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all good friends, you know what
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this being a crazy statistic, it's
it's heartbreaking. It's like, these are

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these guys' buddies. One of them
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mean, I'm I'm right there on
that loan. It's it's it's jugable.

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Well, sadly, I'm only two
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look a lot older than you.
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sort maybe is me. I'm oh, now, I listen. I know

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I'm blind, but I but I
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look a lot younger than me.
Look, point is, I'm not going

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to argue about it. Well,
you know what, It's the energy.

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It's the energy. But let's let's
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know, the socialization, the ostracizing
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Sorry, but you know what I
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why because they're crazy? Well,
I want to arm people. What

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is it that we can give to
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I don't believe for a second if
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you can bang your head up against
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hear the noise. It doesn't matter
if they refuse to and that's mine.

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Cognitive dissonance is a real thing.
It doesn't matter what you show them data

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wise. But if you want to
be armed with something that is accessible,

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you know the obviously take the study
from your personal life. Use that.

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That's a great plan. But what
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easiest thing for somebody to pick up
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someone who's like, listen, I'm
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I'm kind of defaulting to well,
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which I don't have friends like this, So I'm trying to figure out

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how to deal with with that because
my friends are always questioning authority, always

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questioning everything. Uh, if you're
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of questions, not necessarily getting a
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lot of questions. And yeah,
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So what is the scientific basis for
saying to someone, Look, you

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need to question this and understand why
it is I'm questioning this. This is

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my best defense. I mean,
just you know, if you never heard

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of somebody, you have no idea
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sort of say, look, I
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What would you say to somebody who
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is the scientific answer that's easy for
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in your opinion? Well, I
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You're talking about science versus religion.
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are our belief their beliefs, they're
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they're not aligned with science, whereby
you don't have to agree with with with

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what somebody believes, but you it's
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in, you know, the fact
that DNA is a thing, do you

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know what I mean? So it's
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that right, but I really I
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and I wrote about this. It
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beginning, and it was heartbreaking,
and I had to do this as a

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coping mechanism. I had to stop
trying to convince anybody, family friends,

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people on the street that they need
to believe something that I you know,

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that I know to be true.
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it sounds I hate saying it that
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for many, many, many many
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foundation, you know, upon which
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of what I mean by, you
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believe. So like I gave up
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that. I was trying to use
data. I was trying to use peer

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reviewed papers, I was trying to
use numbers, to to convince people that

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what I was saying was true.
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they're kind of conflicting things. Science
and religion, you know, do have

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a realm. You know, they
do have a meeting place, but they

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also have separate realms. So it's
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I don't know what it's like trying
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hate doing this exactly. You're doing
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you discussed this fourth wall break here. Sometimes I lead people into questions where

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I know I'm going to get an
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for asking the question. It's fine
by me because the information is getting out

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there. You discussed this money podcasts. Okay, you discussed this in one

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of your own podcasts. Now,
I don't listen to a lot of people's

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podcasts, but I did take a
listen to this, this science versus religion,

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empirical data. They're not going to
read the empirical data. They're not going

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to look at it anyway. You
are literally wasting your time. It's one

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of the points that you were making
in this podcast. I can't remember which

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one it is now. I apologize, but I wanted that point made because

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I think it's perfect. It needs
to be heard. And why because look,

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it's just like if you were an
ath or a theist. Okay,

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it doesn't matter. You're someone who
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or you're someone who says, look, you're dead. You're dead,

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you go in the ground. You're
nothing more than a collection of a fungus

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and meat and that's it, and
you're a bag and you die. I

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don't believe that there was any creation
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the universe. Panspermia was random.
Cool. Look either way, you're not

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going to sit there and run data
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explanation. You're not going to convince
them just by dropping the pieces of knowledge

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on them like that that are empirical
one way or another. And indeed,

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I believe that there is empirical facts
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hypothetical things I just brought up,
but we'll leave that alone. That's not

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the point here. The point is
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trust the science. That's their catchphrase, but it's it's not what they really

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mean. You're fighting with a phrase
and you're fighting with beliefs. So please

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continue. Yeah, So, at
the risk of alienating some people, I'm

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going to push this a little bit
farther. And this is based on observation.

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It's not just religiony, it's culty. Okay, it doesn't make any

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sense to say I read the CDC
Big Blue Book and I take all of

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my advices from there, at the
same time as admitting that you are not

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keeping up with pure viewed literature,
at the same time as admitting you're not

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listening to your patients if you're a
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trial and erroring off labeled drugs in
the presence of a new pathogen, for

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example, you can't. One of
those things is doesn't make sense in the

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realm of actually finding a solution,
and one of them does if you're staying

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up to date and you're really I
said this the other day in an interview,

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and I think it was it bears
repeating. If if we were actually

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in like an emergency. Let's just
say there's another throw another like horrid virus

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at us, and we have this
new emergency come up. What would happen

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in forgive me if this was with
you, But what would happen that I

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discussed this with What would happen if
this was actually a raging emergency, is

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that every single medical doctor would throw
everything at the kin should sync. They

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would be talking to other doctors,
they would be communicating, they would be

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consulting every single source of information they
could find. Because you're scared and you

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need to help people, and you're
going to do anything and everything in your

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power to find solutions is fast.
You're gonna like respond, You're gonna listen.

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You're not just going to say,
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that way should go this. You
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you're you're kind of following some kind
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reade any literature pertaining to defining what safe

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means or effective means, you cannot
do that. And if you've delved into

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the literature on either of these subjects, or the data, pharmacal vigilance,

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whatever, the clinical data or the
commercial whatever, you would know beyond a

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shadow of a doubt that these things
are neither safe nor effective. So yeah,

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it's it's some of the people call
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cult of the zazaz. Well,
you know it's it's well, let's not

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forget it. Let's let's bring our
friend or my friend, and hopefully he'll

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become your friend as well, because
he's a good guy. Captain trips into

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the discussion. You know why,
because he is someone who is actually you

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know, in the medical field,
actually works on a daily basis with people

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in critical care. Uh. You
know, I've discussed this before on air,

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and I don't want to waste time, but Captain Trips, you've been

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listening to this, and again,
you're a nurse practitioner, but you do

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work in critical care with uh,
with with new with newborns, with babies.

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Jesson, please, what does doctor
Jessica's you know synopsis there sound like to

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you if you were in a circumstance
and all of a sudden You're you're frozen

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chuck. Anyway, I'll finish this
question. Oh no, I couldn't.

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You probably saw me nodding in agreement
the whole way through the analogy though that

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I was coming was running through my
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the people that the people that are
insistent that the earth is only six thousand

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years old and that dinosaur bones were
placed there on purpose to confuse people.

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you can say that it is going
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exactly where we're at, you know. And I as far as your point

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about you know, off label usage
of drugs, and you know, hell,

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the field I'm in, it's all
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mentors told me one time when I
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he said, everything we do in
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exactly right. Yeah, yeah, have

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worked on your seat right exactly.
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things that that I found is the
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to be just a science and it's
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and just clinical practice, just things
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years, going, yeah, I
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present it exactly the same way.
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told me to do, I'd kill
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lot, a lot of it is
the And I don't even I don't even

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blame the general public because if you're
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no reason to realize that, you
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is been, you know, brought
down from on high is not necessarily how

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you know, how the sausage is
truly made. And then you you know,

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you've had those people still within clinical
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and have had their you know,
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to be able to spot the true
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try. I you know, I've
had a few people that started off as

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true believers that have come to me
in confidence and said, hey, you

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know, I'm doubting this, that
or the other thing. What do you

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think. The only inroads I've been
able to make is with people that I

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can tell you know, they they
aren't necessarily true believers. They you know,

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a lot of them are colleagues that
you know their whole career. They've

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been taught to trust the CDC and
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is the American Academy of Pediatrics.

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00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.759
And I said, listen, I
know I can't. I can't trust a

408
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.319
ward that comes out of them anymore. If they are seriously taking positions that

409
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:45.039
men can breastfeed. They have discredited
themselves as an organization that can put anything

410
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.880
out that's of any value. And
I've thrown I've completely thrown them out.

411
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.160
Yeah, yeah, completely agree.
And my friend, you are not alone.

412
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.920
Can I just make a confidence about
what you said about the dinosaur bones?

413
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.079
Though? Sure? Like sure,
I just like you know, there

414
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.599
are beliefs that people can hold,
Like you know, I was called a

415
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:10.039
flat or third of the other day
for some reason. Kind of you believe

416
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.279
that the Earth is not flat,
by the way, But you know what

417
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:18.440
people in my view, can believe
whatever the mother of whatever they want,

418
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:26.839
except when it's causing harm to others. That's the difference. So if a

419
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:33.359
doctor or an organization like the ones
you just pointed out, or the you

420
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.039
know, the turnstile agencies that are
supposed to be looking out for us when

421
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:47.440
it comes to biologicals and pharmaceuticals,
are are enforcing and forcing their belief systems

422
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:52.720
on the entire world. Basically,
because what the FDA says is basically what

423
00:31:52.839 --> 00:32:00.400
everybody ends up following. Right,
that's really like that goes beyond, beyond

424
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.279
the beyond, I mean, like
it takes do no harm and it puts

425
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.279
a big steaming pile of crimes exactly. And that's what I've been saying.

426
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.079
No, I completely agree with you. Imagine if the FDA started saying,

427
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.440
well, well, I mean,
actually your example is as ludicrous as the

428
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.200
one I was about to give,
that males can breastfeed. Imagine if the

429
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:29.319
FDA started saying that the Earth was
flat, what everyone just believed it like,

430
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.599
I think they'd be You know what
the scary part is, if you

431
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.640
asked me this question five years ago, I'd just said, yeah, maybe

432
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.319
one or two people are going to
buy it now. I'm afraid that if

433
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:43.160
they come out tomorrow and said that
or you know, said that the moon

434
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.920
really is made out of Swiss cheese, You're going to have a lot of

435
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:51.039
people that just like they, you
know, went from changing their their Twitter

436
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:57.240
Twitter icons to from vaccines to a
certain nation in Europe's flag on you know,

437
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:02.359
overnight. It's frightening. I mean, I guess you're either familiar with

438
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.720
her, you've heard of the world, heard of the man Matthias Desmitt,

439
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.400
but I think he he comes about
as close as anyone has to explaining this.

440
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:13.839
And you know, it's funny.
I think the thing that really woke

441
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.119
me up to a lot of this
early, you know, not only my

442
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:22.000
experience, but my wife has chronic
wine disease and that's a very political diagnosis,

443
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.519
and you know, it's completely devastated
her. But you know, I

444
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:28.559
can't tell you how many people we
went to when we said that and oh,

445
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.519
no, she's depressed, or oh
well, you just had a kid,

446
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.279
so you're having postpartum depression, or
you work too much, or you're

447
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.400
this, or you're that. So
it really dovetailed. I don't know if

448
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.920
dovetails the right word, but it
chewed me in very early to what was

449
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:47.240
actually going on with this, uh, with this particular viral viral mania.

450
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.119
But but yeah, I you know, we're we're at a we're at an

451
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.200
inflection point on so many levels,
and you know one of them is is

452
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:59.880
medicine and healthcare. And you know, people come to me all the time,

453
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.160
you know, the just not even
necessarily looking for medical advice about a

454
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.839
particular problem. But like, what
do I do? I have to go

455
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.760
to my doctor. I mean,
my doctor wants my kids to get this,

456
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.199
you know, these these vaccines or
I don't trust. And what I've

457
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.199
told people is listen, one do
Look. I've pointed them in direction of

458
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:21.000
some you know, some of what
I consider valid, valid counter research to

459
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.960
the general narratives. And I've also
said, I said, trust your gut.

460
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.199
You know, you got to trust
your gut. If you don't feel

461
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.519
right about your your doctor, your
medical provider saying your child needs X,

462
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:36.599
Y and Z, if that if
that doesn't pass the sniff test, then

463
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.119
then don't go along with it.
I said, just be And I've told

464
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:42.280
that about me too, about me
personally. I've even told you know,

465
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.360
families, I've talked to. You
don't have to trust what I say,

466
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.159
but you know, on this particular
topic, you can look this up.

467
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.239
And if I if you come back
and you tell me you know what you

468
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:52.440
were wrong and I found this out
or the other thing, Hey, I'm

469
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.639
open to looking at it because quite
frankly, if I'm practicing, I don't

470
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.239
want to practice any correctly, and
I certainly don't want to hurt anybody.

471
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.079
So if do you find counter evidence
to what I'm suggesting, by all means,

472
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.679
bring it, bring it to me
and we'll talk about it. But

473
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.440
unfortunately, you know, I kind
of and a lot of it. I

474
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:13.559
look at my age and I'm in
the same I'm forty seven, so the

475
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.239
three of us are all in the
same age, cohort. And when I

476
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.800
look at my colleagues that are ten
to fifteen years younger than me, they

477
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.079
don't do that. And those of
us that are in this particular age cohort,

478
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.000
I mean, we're all late gen
xers. You know. For whatever

479
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.000
reason, we were taught don't trust
the system and find out on your own,

480
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:35.480
and we've carried it through thankfully.
That's so funny, Like I've had

481
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.000
this conversation with pure Corey. I
believe it was him who brought it up

482
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.639
and it was true. He's like, have you ever noticed that all of

483
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.360
us are like the same age?
And I'm like, what do you mean?

484
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:52.400
Who all of us like you and
me and Brian Cole and Robert Malone.

485
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:58.599
You know there is some discrepancy all
basically coming from the same like era.

486
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.840
And I'm like, exactly it questing. You know, someone told me

487
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:07.599
one time, someone told me one
time about gen x ers that you know,

488
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.760
as gen xers, we knew from
a young age that the system was

489
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:15.039
bullshit. We knew growing up.
You know, was that just you know,

490
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.599
our our time placement in history.
I don't know, I've actually dot

491
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.440
you know, the whole generational research, generational cohort things fascinates me. But

492
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.599
that's a whole other topic. But
it does come into now, and what

493
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.440
doctor Corey said is exactly right.
The main people that have questioned and still

494
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:36.599
do question things are all they're either
our age or older. But there's very

495
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:40.159
few of the call my colleagues below
me, below me in age, I

496
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:45.800
should say, below me in an
earlier generational cohorts that that are questioning.

497
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:50.519
They they have been taught that you
know you trust the quote unquote experts,

498
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:52.679
and you know I have to bring
up I said. Well, then,

499
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:53.639
I said, you know what,
if you want to if you want to

500
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.280
trust the experts, let me point
you to a couple of things. So

501
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.639
go back and look at I said. I remember Vos, I said,

502
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.519
I remember when OxyContin came on the
scene. I didn't live through it,

503
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.880
but I read about solidimide. I
you know, I know about the nineteen

504
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.199
seventy six swine flu, you know, supposed pandemic. I said, so

505
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.719
I can point to you many many
times when not only were the experts wrong,

506
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.039
but the expert opinion was forced on
the entire population and many people suffered

507
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.119
from it. And back to an
earlier point you made. I've said this

508
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:27.599
from the beginning, and this is
what I said when they first released this

509
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.039
stuff, I said, you know, I was one of the few people

510
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.960
I knew of that. I read
the Pfizer documentation in December of twenty twenty.

511
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.639
Oh my gosh, I could have
poked my eyeballs out afterwards, but

512
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:38.280
I read it all and the first
thing that stood out to me was,

513
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.519
oh, okay, so this might
reduce symptoms. I said, your study

514
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.800
endpoints. You didn't look at the
two main things that I thought we were

515
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.519
concerned with, which was transmission of
this particular virus. And deck I said,

516
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.599
so, okay, fine, you
know you did it fast, all

517
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.760
right, this is all you studied. And I was fine with it until

518
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.519
the narrative was this vaccine will stop
transmission. We know that this vaccine will

519
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.039
do this. We know that,
and I'm going, how do you know

520
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.840
this? And then it even still, I kept my mouth shut until until

521
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:09.079
it was forced. And that's when
I really opened my mouth. I said,

522
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:13.719
listen, this stuff's out there.
You're an adult if you want to

523
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.880
go out and get it by all
means, I said, But the moment

524
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.679
you're forcing me, you're forcing someone
else to do something. That's where I

525
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.760
draw the line. And you know, I said, I. You know,

526
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.119
I grew up at a time in
medicine where I remember my first job

527
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:30.199
in nursing, going through my hospital
orientation, and I swear the first two

528
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:35.119
days was nothing but this one hr
representative pounding in our head that we had

529
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.280
to respect the choice of the patient, even if we disagreed with it,

530
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.920
even if we knew it was going
to kill the patient. We respected there,

531
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.760
and we respected the autonomy of that
person to who make their own decision

532
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.360
about what dealer did not happen to
their body. And I've I've held that

533
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.280
practice my entire career. Yeah,
I learned that in the service industry.

534
00:38:53.400 --> 00:39:00.920
I the only job I've really had
outside of academia is uh, restaurant stuff.

535
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:07.920
So I learned more about everything being
a waitress and managing than I'm doing

536
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.599
any series. No, I'm going
to agree with you because I started off

537
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:17.920
there. I started off there as
well, Yes myself, you know that's

538
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.840
the that's the thing, and and
it's it's not that the customer is always

539
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:29.239
right, but it's like we know
that. But it's like my take on

540
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.840
that is that I'm going to do
everything in my power not for tips,

541
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:39.639
because I'm not let person to make
this person's experience memorable and happy, because

542
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:46.400
my my thing is this night or
this lunch that this person decided to come

543
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:52.519
to my restaurant to eat might be
like the first time they've eaten out in

544
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.320
a year. It might be after
they've just been diagnosed with cancer, it

545
00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:00.440
might be you know what I mean, It's like you never freaking know going

546
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.360
through So my thing was the customer
actually is always right, and the customer

547
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.480
is more important than anything else right
now, and so I'm going to anyway,

548
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.239
I'm going on a tengent But it's
kind of the same thing. It's

549
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:17.639
like if you're if you're a doctor
patient in a relationship, and that patient

550
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:23.039
is adamant, maybe they've done more
research than the doctor that this drug,

551
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:30.039
this injection is not going to benefit
them. There's there's no authority on the

552
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:37.760
planet that can of force that person
to inject anything, for example, into

553
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:42.159
their body that they do not want
injected into their body. That's as salt

554
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:47.280
if that happens. I've used the
same example. I've used the same example,

555
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.880
and I you know, I've said
to people, I said, well,

556
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.480
let's let's take I said, I'm
not putting them on the same level.

557
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.719
I said, but let's take let's
take sexual harassment in between a supervisor

558
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.320
and someone that works under them.
I said, if I called someone in

559
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.639
my office and I said, you
must take this into your body to keep

560
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.079
your job, I said, not
only would I be out of a job,

561
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.119
my ass would be in jail.
I said, so, yes,

562
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.599
I mean, it's certainly on a
different level. I'm not claiming that sexual

563
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.880
assault is somehow less than what we're
talking about. However, if you look

564
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:20.599
at the mechanics of it, it's
no different. You know, when people

565
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.360
were losing their jobs because they were
forced to do something that they can't take

566
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.320
back. And that's the thing I
said. You know, I'm not a

567
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.760
fan of mask mandates either, but
I said, okay, well here's a

568
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.199
little bit difference. I said,
when I walk out of that building,

569
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.920
I can take the mask off,
I can put it in the trash.

570
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.280
I can choose not to go back
to that building. But once something is

571
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:42.400
injected into my body or your body, it doesn't come out. I said,

572
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:46.239
So the stakes are much higher,
and you know, you know,

573
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:50.920
I am seeing some cracks. Though
you had mentioned at about you know,

574
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:54.559
the FDA being the world authority,
and not that I trust the European authorities,

575
00:41:54.559 --> 00:42:00.000
but I have noticed a lot of
European countries have really veered away from

576
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:04.880
the FDA and CDC recommendations, especially
where it concerns children in taking these vaccines.

577
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.760
My state, you know what I'm
here. You know, not all

578
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.360
heroes were caps, but I think
doctor Latipo, who's the surgeon general here

579
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:19.000
in Florida is he's got cajones the
size of the state because he's attacked mercilessly,

580
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.039
but he continues to stick to his
science and not to get political.

581
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.679
But you know, with with our
governor, desantists like him or not.

582
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.119
I've talked to quite a few people
who who were around him when he was

583
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.719
making decisions regarding how to run the
state in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,

584
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.519
and they said the guy wasn't coming
into the to his office and sitting

585
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.800
down and listening to what was being
told. He was out reading the science.

586
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.719
He was participating in these discussions,
so he really knew what people were

587
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:51.239
saying. And I think the you
know, again not to not to claim

588
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.800
Florida is the greatest place in the
world, but I think you can look

589
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.599
at how we fared down here compared
to other parts of the other parts of

590
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.360
the country. You know, we're
sto bring economically here like everybody else's but

591
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.599
I'd say, what, the economy
in Florida is a whole hell of a

592
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.320
lot better than it is in places
like California. And you know, I'm

593
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:14.119
not worrying about Stephanie over human excrement
walking down the street and you know,

594
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:20.360
so I think the results speak for
themselves in that respect. By the way,

595
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:27.360
you mentioned plamide and quite interested to
want to know that the exact same

596
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:34.960
mantra was used in the context of
plinimize. So when I think here,

597
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:38.880
you should have some kind of alarm
bell going off in your head, go

598
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:44.400
ding ding ding ding. And I'm
not joking, I'm not being litigious,

599
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:50.440
not being sarcastic. If you hear
this mantra, and it is a mantra,

600
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:57.639
it's like a propaganda yep. It's
like going, oh, yeah,

601
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.519
it's it's not you know, to
it, very very simply, it's not.

602
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.760
If that's what the phrase is being
used to describe a product, is

603
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:13.119
safe effective, that product is not
safe, probably not or effective. Yeah.

604
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.440
You know. One of my one
of my favorite memes going around right

605
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.880
now is a skill clip of the
two from the movie The Shining with the

606
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.880
two little girls. You know,
if you see the movie The Shining,

607
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.199
the girls that appear in there,
and it's just let me introduce you to

608
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:30.880
safe and effective. That just that
that that one and the other one is

609
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.320
is a foosball table with all the
characters laying down and said, you know,

610
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:39.440
cable football Pfizer edition, but no, I said the same thing.

611
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.800
Yeah, the the yes, the
solid of my acutane is another one I

612
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.679
started practicing in the late nineties when
thankfully people realize that, holy shit,

613
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.920
we can't be giving accutane to young
females that may become pregnant because you're gonna

614
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:59.280
have babies born hideously defective, uh
you know, defect, defective, deformed.

615
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.280
But I you know, in my
career, had about three three kids

616
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:06.440
that I saw and this was in
the nineties and early two thousands, where

617
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.920
for whatever reason, they didn't read
the they didn't keep up on it,

618
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.320
or the girls got a hold of
it and took it anyway, But I

619
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.760
saw at least three acutane babies and
it was horrible, but it was the

620
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.639
same thing. It was safe and
effective. I don't know if they used

621
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:20.679
the mantra for that, but you
know, the one that they're doing now

622
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.920
is the diabetes drug that people are
using for weight loss in some of the

623
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.280
horror stories I'm hearing about that,
but that's another safe and effective. So

624
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:30.559
yeah, if you say safe and
effective, if it's labeled as safe and

625
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:36.519
effective, it's absolutely neither until proven
otherwise, Yeah, that's a better way

626
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.559
to put it. But yeah,
it's hilarious. It's not hilarious at all,

627
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:47.480
but it's hilarious in a kind of
cloud world way. That that's how

628
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:52.280
it is right now. You know, it's like our authorities or regulatory bodies,

629
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:59.679
medical professionals, the words safe,
health, effective, all of these

630
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:07.320
things have been completely absconded and and
the the meanings have been completely replaced.

631
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:12.719
I mean, it's a yeah,
it's almost inverted. It means nothing anymore.

632
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.480
Really, Uh, you know,
And I tell people now, if

633
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.280
they say it's something safe, I
said, well, define my question is

634
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:22.519
defined safe. If you're asking me
if said medication is one safe and it

635
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.440
won't hurt anyone, I'll tell you
unequivocally no, because I don't know that

636
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.559
there's any product out there other than
other than water that that you can say,

637
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:37.920
or saline that is it is not
going to hurt anyone. So,

638
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:45.079
you know, different, we all
have different backgrounds and and sturgees even,

639
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:52.400
I mean, we're all different,
so absolutely to to make that claim.

640
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:57.800
That's another reason why and how I
got really suspicious at the beginning when I

641
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.880
started seeing this like one solution shot
crap they were going to. They still

642
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.199
they still want to. They want
to ject every single being with this BS

643
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:14.039
modified m r NA l n P
stuff. And and and you know what,

644
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.239
I've been looking at this for three
years and I can't, and no

645
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:27.199
one can ken as yet say exactly
what's in that needle? That's exactly exacticulous,

646
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:36.599
cannot violence vile to lot country to
country. We have no no exactly.

647
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.519
Wasn't it you had mentioned Ryan Cole, And I think it was him

648
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:44.679
and his lab the one that was
actually looking at the purity of the vile

649
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.679
when people were talking about there were
self replicating something something in these shots.

650
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:51.400
And and I believe it was his
lab that looked at it and said,

651
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:52.400
well, you know, that's not
what you're seeing. What you're seeing is

652
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.280
the fact that there's no there's no
purity standards, and you don't know,

653
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.920
we don't really know what's in this
stuff. And it not even that it's

654
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:06.119
saying that it's someone intentionally put something
in it. But the manufacturing process was

655
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.519
not was not clean, and they
were finding, you know, metal fragments

656
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:13.119
from the from poorly, poorly made
needles. They were finding rubber fragments from

657
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:19.400
the stoppers on the vials. So
yeah, it's yeah. You know,

658
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.800
if I was watching this as a
movie, it would be you know,

659
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.320
comically comic, comically horrible, but
but living through it, it's a completely

660
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:34.000
different story. Yeah. In terms
of contamination though, the the you know,

661
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:38.199
you can always expect a certain amount
of like some kind of contamination like

662
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.000
metal, rubber stuff law, you
can always expect that when you're talking about

663
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:47.000
billions of products. But the latest
and I'm just going to throw this in

664
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:52.760
here before we close, just to
freak everyone out, is that it's it's

665
00:48:52.960 --> 00:49:02.079
likely that a huge proportion of the
the Pfizer and Moderna products, more so

666
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:09.840
Pheiser are contaminated with DNA. This
is a huge deal because this whole integration

667
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:16.400
story and gene therapy ie thing becomes
very very very real. And we were

668
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:22.519
very very strongly told that integration is
never going to be an issue because this

669
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:30.280
is mRNA, but it's not.
It's DNA. In some fials that have

670
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.639
been tested by Kevin McKernin, one
third of the nucleotides are actually DNA.

671
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.920
So that's not the only problem.
It's also the issue of endotoxin contamination,

672
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:45.119
which is a big deal because if
you get injected with endotoxin likelycopolysaccharide, you

673
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:50.440
can go into an eclectic shock and
you can die. This is probably why

674
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:54.880
if anyone remembers, they started asking
people to hang around the injection site for

675
00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:02.000
fifteen yet because they switched. Know
it's my friend Josh Getzko is calling this

676
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.599
thebate and switch. The clinical batches
that were used in the trial were one

677
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.960
thing. They were created. The
modified and Marney was created using one method

678
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:17.000
and the process too which they were. The commercial batches that were stuffed into

679
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:22.840
all of the people were the modified
Marnee was produced using a different method which

680
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:29.360
involves for DNA in plasmids any Colie. So I'm sorry to drop that on

681
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:36.719
everyone who doesn't know about this.
Go art unfortunately, man, because there's

682
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:42.760
a roundtable going on with some very
special people about this subject matter on what

683
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.800
is it the ninth, which is
I think a Monday. I hope I

684
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:55.599
have that date right, Yeah,
it's coming up next week, So everyone

685
00:50:55.639 --> 00:51:00.639
should tune into that because this is
going to be the most comp a handsome

686
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.880
panel of people who know the most
about this talking all at once. And

687
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:10.239
I'm also going to be speaking,
So yeah, I think out of time

688
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:16.119
and and yeah, it looks like, yeah, I saw, I saw

689
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:23.440
we get the message. Yeah it
happened last time to his his internet kind

690
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:29.719
of cut out. I guess they
really. Well, I'm glad I was.

691
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.079
I'm glad I was able to get
on I could help help help carry

692
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.920
water from my friend's shota. Not
not as effectively as he can. But

693
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:42.599
but you know, again, it
was an it was it was an It's

694
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.320
an honor to me too, it
really is. I've been I've been following

695
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.519
your work and there's quite a handful
of people out there that I've that I've

696
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:51.920
used as go to sources, and
you have been one of them. So

697
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:57.639
I say, definitely, well,
I I throw it right back at you.

698
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:02.400
And it's so perfect that you're you're
because like the the perspective of the

699
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:07.920
medical doctors who have been like shut
up and had their licenses removed or threatened

700
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:14.239
and all this, you're the most
important people because you, like, while

701
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.280
a lot of you are on the
ground, and you're actually you were there

702
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:22.519
when it started, so you have
a perspective on what's actually going on in

703
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:28.079
terms of COVID and you know,
the oxygen that really came up and you

704
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:35.880
have this unique perspective window into the
world of the enormous surge in patients let's

705
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:42.519
call you're seeing since the injections.
I mean it's like, so, yeah,

706
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.800
it's you're very valuable. And you
know, I've even seen things within

707
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.559
my own field. They obviously,
thank god, none of my patients even

708
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.440
qualify under their you know, their
recommendations for these things. But I've definitely,

709
00:52:54.599 --> 00:53:01.000
I've definitely noticed upticks in certain certain
deformities in certain certain medical certain neonatal

710
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:05.599
diagnoses that don't see very often.
But you know, I've seen some really

711
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:09.159
weird things that do I have,
you know, ironclad evidence that it's related

712
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:13.239
to the to the introduction of this
product. No, I don't. I

713
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.880
haven't done any you know, serious
data collection, but from an anecdote.

714
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:17.719
And you know what I tell people
is said, well, where do you

715
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:22.400
think most medical science comes out of? It comes out of anecdotes. I

716
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.880
said, it comes because these particular
people started doing X, Y and Z

717
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:29.000
for this diagnosis and said, oh
wow, this looks like it works.

718
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:35.000
Less study it, do it yourself
exactly. So yeah, it's you know,

719
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.239
we were facing I think we're facing
where we faced and are going through

720
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.639
a perfect storm, just you know, going back, and you know,

721
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.920
Meryl nass is a is a good
one too. I'm sure you're familiar with

722
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:46.440
her and the work that you know
her what she's been talking about with it

723
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:51.679
with anthrax and you know, even
some of that stuff. I had to

724
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:53.679
had to go, oh yeah,
no, I do remember that. And

725
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:58.079
you know, I do remember the
hysteria in the two thousand and four two

726
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.679
thousand and five period, talking about, oh know, we're going to have

727
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.719
a pandemic that's going to kill every
boat. And and suddenly these things,

728
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.400
you know, suddenly these laws and
and policies were changing. And I'm sorry,

729
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.719
you know, I people say,
oh, well, we always we

730
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.880
were always required to get flu shots
in healthcare, and I said no,

731
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.760
I said no, it was always
offered. I said, but that didn't

732
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:22.119
happen until the whole H one N
one debacle. And I said, the

733
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.480
next flu season is suddenly when every
hospital in the country started saying you have

734
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:29.440
to do this. Prior to that, it was offering offered, it was

735
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.039
encouraged. And you know, I'm
fine with that. If you want to

736
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:35.440
say, hey, we're offering these
vaccines if you like it, we think

737
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:37.440
you should get it, but it's
up to you. I'm perfectly fine with

738
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.800
that. I'm uh, you know, for my for myself, because I

739
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.280
I know I can make my own
decisions. But yeah, the minute they

740
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:49.960
took, the minute they took uh, you know, ourself, our our

741
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.719
self determination away from us was when
I when I said, that's it.

742
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.760
I'm not I'll die on this hill. And it cost me every little bit

743
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.199
I had in savings to get out
of the area that we were in.

744
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:00.679
But you know, it was he
that or I was, you know,

745
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.000
I was either going to become part
of the experimental group or I was going

746
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.960
to be you know, driving an
uber. And you know, so I

747
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.519
took the I took the potential to
drive the uber, and I said,

748
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:12.760
let's go. We're out. You
know, it's you know, it's worked

749
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.519
out well for me so far,
thankfully, but my heart goes out to

750
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.599
those who didn't or couldn't move and
or you know, they had to go

751
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.800
get repeatedly injected with this stuff and
now they're facing the consequences. And yeah,

752
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:28.159
well, I think we are at
the top of the hour. All

753
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.599
right, all the listeners out there, they're watching this video. Unfortunately,

754
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.800
we had some technical difficulties with Chuck, he wasn't able to rejoin the show

755
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.679
Zoom. I'm not happy with Zoom, but that's how it goes. But

756
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:42.320
thank you Jessica for coming on again
and having a great show. Every time

757
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.000
you come on. It's just fantastically
a great response. And you know,

758
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:49.760
like I said, how would you
not like a surfer girl, I'm here

759
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.280
to tell you. I'm here to
tell you. All right, listen,

760
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:57.760
we know, we know where you
live. We know where you live,

761
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:01.000
Dave, you know we we we
only take take your opinions partially serious.

762
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:04.679
Hey, it's not me. It's
not my fault that live in the crazy

763
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.719
state of California. Okay, with
gruesome You're next President's story? I know.

764
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.199
Still I still want to I still
want to know how he gets to

765
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.599
a point a resident of the state
of Maryland to become the sit in senator

766
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:17.800
for the senator of California. I
want to know how that works. I

767
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:21.639
thought you had to be a resident
of the state that you were a senator

768
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:24.960
from. I need a book.
She's a black lesbian. He's a black

769
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.599
lesbian, so it's okay, Yeah, I should book A friend who was

770
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:30.599
a full consultant. That was part
of his mild You in the nineties.

771
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:34.440
Him and Willy Brown. Yah boy, he's got some stories to tell.

772
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:39.280
But that Willy Brown. Yeah,
that everybody, Jessica as always in the

773
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:42.840
future, I'd love to have you
back on again, and we'll work on

774
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.440
getting a better connection for Chuck.
I'll make that my priority. We got

775
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.719
to get here. Sure, I'll
have lots more to tell you in a

776
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.480
week or two. You said you
could have twenty sel and again, Jessica

777
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.480
was a pleasure. It was an
absolute pleasure. All right, every pleasure.

778
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.840
Thank you, all right, by
bye, all right, take care

779
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:10.480
everybody by you support Chuck Ochili at
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780
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781
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.119
I think. And you know,
some people would say that, look,

782
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:21.119
you're in an age when you can
be independently supported, but quite frankly,

783
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.119
I'm on that business model too,
And look, I'm not gonna complain,

784
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:30.360
but but I'm gonna complain, okay, because people want to support you,

785
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.000
they love you to death. But
honestly, if you're listening, and

786
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.239
this is a very unsubtle request to
support the damn show, and I want

787
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:42.559
you to do this because you know, the Chili Reports one of the few

788
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.559
places where Greg Palace can get his
his the stuff out. I mean,

789
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:50.599
you'll still see my violence in some
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801
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802
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