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of good, people who tell us life, tells us life from an angle.
There is a blind angle in the human being, which is spirituality.
I say it is the self, blind to that of many, not of
all, thank God. And spirituality is a true, not the spiritualism there
is, which is an idiomatic or semantic section, but spirituality is a true,
a connection with divinity. Well, here we talk in many ways and
today we have a guest, a friend also of this train that in a
short time has been made as very dear to us, since we have known
just over a year and is oriol Jara. Orion Jara is a radio and
television screenwriter. He is a man who has been working in the media for
years and also writes his book. Surprisingly, he wrote from his personal experience,
his first book of de o para creuran deu which is ten reasons to
believe in God, and I say to you he has created wrath on this
book because it has aroused the interest of many and many means, including ours.
But he has written a second book and it is conversation with God and
it is original. And this always strikes us that someone, from their experience
and personal experience, tells us things, tells us life in key. Different
in this case in some respects. Well, then, we' ll talk
to oriol Jara in a little while here, on this traveling train here in
the master car of the train of life and then he' ll be with
us also via zoom, also our good friend, the lawyer and also pro
- director of the biblical groups of graduates, who is Jaumallenas, a man
also with a very brilliant mind. We' ll talk about today, a
little bit clear. We' re talking about today' s scraps. We
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others are for. Eh is not our priority instinct either, but we do
tell some things of general interest that concern us all. No and there we
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I mean, it' s funny not and he can talk to us about
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The train of life. And, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen,
to all the pilgrims of the waves everywhere, for I invite you to
listen to us. We have a theme now and here we have the author
of your last book. He is oriol Jara, as Orion told them He
is a man who has worked hard and still works in the radio media.
He is a producer of radio, television, programmes such as Buena Fuente and
well- known programmes in Catalonia. He also knows what goes into this,
no, but beyond that, he has lived in recent years a very intimate
spiritual experience that has been very determining in his life for what he has been
telling us and has been writing. But beyond what is written, when I
hear him speak of the abundance of the heart, open their mouths, they
' ll notice in a minute. Then he has written this second book,
Conversation with God, which is has a peculiar style and that always in a
writer attracts attention when there are writers who tell what almost everyone counts, but
when he has a singularity that and also does well, that is very striking.
That' s why I' m going to recommend this book Conversation with
God as an armed publisher, which is available to everyone in any bookstore and
on Amazon, of course. Well, well, very welcome, Dear Oriola,
friend Oriol, jara today I apologize for the cough very thank you.
Thank you for deciding for the second time, or that the first time wasn
' t so bad. Man, it' s an honor to me.
The truth will be here. Thank you, man, and for me too
I am very pleased because I don' t know maybe it' s because
it' s something that I feel very concerned about when someone talks not only
about something that he knows or knows or theorizes, but when he speaks his
heart more than his words. And honestly it' s your case, not
yes, yes, well, I really appreciate it, ever since we first
talked about this whole writing process, of books, of lectures and such for
me it' s more of a supernatural work of the spirit and of God
than my personal one in the strict sense, and I' ve been writing
for many years for television, books, radio, whatever, and the process
is different. Now things happen in a way in which it is not in
control so much in my talent, but in something that sometimes overwhelms me,
you said, the peculiar style of writing and such in the end, when
I reread the books these last two, I see little reflected. There are
constructions, there are phrases, there are things that I explain and that are
written and that do not seem mine, which is bordering on the supernatural,
but to me it is clearly a work of God that I feel very happy
that I have decided to catch a person as undeserving as I am and to
use myself in this sense to convey a message that good that thanks to God,
seems to be coming. And it all begins the previous book, which
is DEU Rouns para creuran, DEU in Catalan in Spanish, is also published
ten reasons to believe in God that that first book I remember well, Marias,
I issue I remember that one day was a weekend, I heard you
in racuno and the merchant and then, from there and then in other stations,
in other media, the other, the other day, with this last
in laser and of course, you are a man of the media and obviously,
that has made it possible. But when I listened to your experiences,
how is produced something that will surely tell us through your own you pour it
also here in conversation with God. But it is unusual for a person because
I tell you what my experience with God has been and I share with you
the gospel of Jesus, which is the good news of Jesus, which continues
to prevail throughout time and is powerful for human life. And you might say
caramba, because this I feel has also attracted to that, but in your
case, you start investigating on your own. The restlessness in you wakes up,
let' s call it spiritual, you start digging through the Bible and
you discover. It' s unusual for some to do this. There are
even signs of historical men as well as Juan Sebastián Bacg or Newton. They
were also searchers through the Bible on their own and had an encounter with God.
But from there you discover a new world, an experience. It'
s something like that I' m going to say, and as it is,
and besides, it makes a lot of sense, because for those who
don' t know and I count it in the first book, but basically
I feel an impulse. Let' s say inspired, not literally driven,
blown by God in search of who God is. It is something that has
humanly happened always said Chesterton, a thing that is very funny, that said
when you do not believe in Christ you believe in anything. The idea of
humanity is that they have believed, we have believed as humans in anything ever
since. There are no great civilizations, ancient atheists. There is no such
thing because all people are born with this eternal transcendent impulse and we know that
it is God and that is why all civilizations have had gods. I tried
to search without any previous playing ground, without any family influence, that they
were not believers, without any influence of my surroundings, of my school,
that was public with total freedom. Let' s say intellectually. I tried
to know if God existed. Yeah, yeah that When I read, when
I read and heard you tell that I said it' s not usual for
you to say that I want to inquire about nothing more and nothing less than
God, who God is, where he is like this. This is true.
Or it' s a magic legend. Yeah, well, especially because
there' s one thing I think we should remember, which is that it
' s the most important question in the cosmos, because if God exists,
he' s the most important being in the cosmos, so it was an
irresponsible attitude for me not to look for him, because it' s very
important. And then I started looking for him and I met one more deeply
than another. But what we know as religions from abbreviated books of the Indian
Majabarata, the Vagabat Gita, which is about Chrisna fundamentally Islam, that is,
with intellectual freedom. I insist I sought, who God was and how
mankind had revealed itself and suddenly I discovered all of a sudden over the years,
many years. But I discovered one thing that is fascinating and that I
am not tired of repeating it to all Christians and non- Christians, and
that is that there are many religions in the world and they all share a
structure just as it is the following. We, as people, know that
God is most holy, magnificent, unattainable, living in a sphere that is
not ours, and we all know, in any religion of the world,
that we must do a number of things to reach God. Some religious traditions
say don' t you see you eat this? Shouldn' t you eat
that? Another one you must bathe in this river. You must pray these
prayers every day, you must do magic exercises. All this because we want
to reach God. Christianity is not a religion, because Christianity is God coming
down to our encounter and rescuing us, because it knows that we are incapable.
Religion is usually cause frustration, because not because we are evil, we
are sinners. And always that effort to never eat fish, because God doesn
' t want it. And those religious efforts never come to what God expects
of me. Christianity, on the other hand, is God, the God
of truth, the authentic God, becoming man, coming down for pure love
to rescue us to even rescue people as bad as me, that is,
people who have lived lives that logically do not deserve God to look at us.
But, instead, in a mysterious dynamic, for us, he out
of pure low love becomes, man, pays our price rescues us. It
is essential to understand that we are not talking about the fact that there are
many religions in the world and one of them is Christianity. I, having
spent years reading about religions, discovered for my personal impact that Christianity is not
the same as Christianity is something that no religion ever poses that it is God
becoming a person for love, is that you would hallucinate about how unusual this
is in the history of religions and, therefore, that was like an outrage,
such a beast thing in my life that I clearly saw that something real
was happening, that something different, authentic, exciting, full of love was
happening with the figure of Christ and with God. From there, the way
was to grow, to learn, until he decided to become perfectly clear and
visible to me that it is an operation that he does when he wants and
through the spirit. But the whole way has been beautiful and I have no
choice but to tell, because I think it' s important. It'
s clear. I tell it in a way that neither I could explain the
best honestly and I thank you, because there are so many seekers some are
the seekers who do not want to give or make noise, but that is
inside there is a restlessness where God is, if he is somewhere. Either
God is not, nor is he in our imagination, or must be eradicated
from the social imaginary, because it is a hindrance also for some in the
Jewish Christian culture. It is guilty, they say, and it is good
all that discourse that is anti- God, because you do not know God.
If they knew him, they wouldn' t think so. But because
if this were a challenge there, the bony nun wouldn' t waste my
time afterwards, with all my training and my art, I would dedicate myself
to planting melons or something else. But it' s not what you said.
If God does not exist, we are lost and it is a tragy,
and good to talk about something nonexistent and less of a supposed God.
But if God exists and has revealed Himself, attention must be paid to the
subject. EH,' cause he' s not the neighbor upstairs. Hey,
it' s more than that. Yes, then, God is our
creator. Moreover, God is our redeemer in this case. I mean,
for the second time we need God that we' re lost. And of
course, you explained it by saying I realized that there was one thing you
said that is not very popular, that we are sinners as well, of
course we cannot. I' ve tried to change the word to say look.
We are at fault with God. We have failed God And it is
true that I can do it in a more, more cheesy way or more
for today' s listener. We have not sinned. Yes, and we
must recognize it. Yes, I speak first person and always preach to me
first. I mean, I' m not going to give it to anyone,
but I preach to myself and if and then to the rest of the
people, I don' t go on a platform to tell people, to
hit them with the Bible, but to preach about what I know about me
and I know who I was. I mean, I understand that there are
words that today, but well, it' s another topic, the topic
of hiding certain words. But I was a grave sinner and at that time,
at a time when there was not yet repentance, Jesus came. This
is very important also for people and especially young people. Jesus does not come
when you are ready and clean. Jesus comes at the worst moment to rescue
you. That is what the Gospel teaches us, which eats with prostitutes and
tax collectors, not when they have already been purified, but when they are
at the worst moment Jesus does not become frightened. Sometimes there are people who
think how Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, but what I have
done does not tolerate it. He' s like a guy not a man,
not what you want him to go and together you' ll regret and
grow up and save you, but he' s not afraid of what you
' ve done. It is a very diabolical strategy, the fact of turning
away believers because they think they have gone too far. Instead of running at
Jesus' feet and saving himself. I explain myself, that is, to
recover his communion and always the devil works in that sphere. A lot of
people will be recognizing him. What I' m saying, the sphere is
one of I' ve failed Jesus and I don' t even dare go
to worship. I explain to myself why I am ashamed and tremendous, because
this is very painful and causes many people to suffer greatly when Jesus precisely gathers
people at the worst moment and works in them for good. I have lived
it in the first person and I think this is important, which is also
a message of trust and not to be fooled many times by these lies.
There is one very very thing in the Gospel has millions of beautiful things.
There is one concretely that is closely linked to this. When Jesus presents himself
to the apostles after death, after the resurrection, and to show them or
to teach them that he is him, he teaches them the wounds. Wounds
are proof that he' s him and that' s exactly what he is
in our lives. My wounds are proof that I am, who I am,
and how God has operated on those wounds is proof of IL. No,
that road is super pretty. Let' s not panic. On the
contrary, with all humility, we go to Jesus' feet and say there
is a proverb that says the righteous falls seven times and seven rises. Eye,
the right one, the right one top, the right one falls seven
times. I explain yes, it' s interesting, because that speaks of
our humanity. Of course, because the religious interpretation you populi has made us
think that to get close to God we have to be almost perfect. No,
no, because we are imperfect, incapable, and in the worst of
me I remember my experience at the eighteenth atrocious fatal years. In my case,
I don' t know everyone in your world. God comes to your
world. Whoever you are. But Jesus comes and loves me clearly and loves
me and does not condemn me, but he persuades me and tells me I
want another life for you, a much better life. I want to cleanse
your soul, your conscience, your being and that' s what you come
to explain. I wasn' t thinking about the famous showsen that reveals us
to one more Jesus with a human face. No, with more human face.
No. The only thing maybe a little overreacted is the backpack. Not
that it' s too much, it' s too much today' s
backpack. But it' s okay, because it makes an account of what
the world of normal men could do, because there' s a mystic sometimes
clear. It must be interpreted that the Gospels are written in the key of
synthesis and the language of the time in the Greek c plus popular coine that
there was then, which is another way of understanding. But and sometimes you
see a Christ and a mystical environment that you say this is almost unattainable.
But not there, in showssen we are not told the humanity of all those
who surrounded Jesus, who were a mere era, were firecrackers. Most of
it is, yes, like us, it' s beautiful, it'
s very nice, this is very important. Then, humanity 100 per cent
lives, in the body and in human life. The first miracle, the
first sign John says of John' s Gospel is to convert water into wine.
Yes, there is more human, more physical than a miracle, which
is to turn insibity water into wine than to give and look good. Besides,
he sent the very good wine, which is intolerable. That time is
buevo, which was much better than anyone they' d ever tasted. That
tells us about one thing that spirituality. I don' t know what you
called him any other way, but this spirituality that we understand today as good
is that I don' t believe in God, but I believe in the
energy of I don' t know how good. Spirituality, philosophy, grega,
etcetera. They did not understand that God has made us body and soul.
They did not understand that the body is valid, that the body is
us as well. And Jesus comes to preach that precisely that it is something
revolutionary, one more thing, one thing that no ancient religion could understand when
Paul goes to preach Christ, Greece, Athens. What Athenian philosophers do not
conceive is when Paul says that there is a resurrection of the body, because
for them you are imputed, it is absurd. The soul is good,
but the body is bad, and Jesus comes to tell us that the body
is not bad, that the body is part of what we are. These
little ones, these little details of Jesus’ preaching. To me they are
so obvious traces of a divine theological truth that is opposed to everything we understand
as tuality religions that is mind- blowing. And once again, today we
are seeing how it grows and how it expands a kind of neo- paganism
in which many people are deceived by magic tricks, with toa- hundred spiritualitys,
with things that in the end are not a link with God. Done,
man who saves us but with magic formulas that in the end are frustrating
and that in the end have a weight also in the supernatural world, which
is another one for another book, but that is also important is that we
have to be alert as a Christian, that you will already be turning the
next one is sure that if you no longer have it, you already have
the bozo. I can imagine it you hear in this book conversation, this
second book conversation with God, you have to read the first one, which
is very interesting, also ten reasons to believe in God as an alvada publisher.
This book is extended by Antony Puchberg, who Antony Puisberg is one of
the most illustrious journalists in the vanguard. I read your articles weekly. Between
me I read five six presses daily and hear it expounds, eh I say
it' s very generous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no.
No, man, I interpret that he has at least one culturally,
has an approach to the Christian faith or a connection. No, because I
totally didn' t know her, because her articles are chronic, as a
partner, political partner and social critic. But very brilliant, by the way,
in this and it expands and creates an awakening, an interest in reading.
It is the book when he has read the manuscript and recommends it.
That' s why I say that those who know Anthony Puchberg, I say
that he is credible, because he is a man I admire for his way
of writing. So here you start talking about a conversation I don' t
deserve. God tells you about yourself. Does God tell you about history?
God speaks to you of the present world, God speaks to you of the
worldly power, God speaks to you of the law, God speaks to you
of himself. Well, it' s true, they' re one of
those variables, yes, but that' s kind of polyhedric. God has
many bodies. Well, God is one, but he means but when we
see this, God tells you about yourself. How' s that good,
basically because the book is a good one. In the first book ten reasons
to believe in God I tell those things that have prompted my conversion. Apart
from the supernatural part, apart from the spirit that that culmination, there are
things that are ten reasons, specifically, including the historicity of Jesus or the
Bible, the scientific reasons that involve being a Christian in society, in the
family, things that change your life. In this second book I speak of
the Bible and the utmost importance of the Bible read today because it speaks of
the present society, speaks of our problems and gives important warnings about how we
are and what can happen in our lives if we do not have God in
the center, not as the first chapter of ageo, which is as if
I do not have God in the center as and I am hungry and I
drink and I am thirsty the clothes do not warm me and the money of
salary falls in sack. That says geo about what it' s like to
live without God. Then the Bible is speaking of us and it speaks of
the king, of the kings, of the politicians of Tiktok. Or I
joke that God speaks of Tiktok, because there is a chapter, of the
third chapter of Isaiah that speaks as if you turn away from God if you
decide to believe in other things and you have not God in the center,
I will take away the elders and the wise and rule you, you will
be led by presumptuous young men. What we' re living today, a
society influenced by influencers who are kids. So, when I saw that the
Bible, based on reading it to you, is talking urgently about your life,
about your world, about your culture, I thought well, because you
will have to make a book, at least summarizing, explaining some things that
people when it. For me this book, my goal is to be an
introduction to the Bible, for people to receive this read it and think about
why I am not reading the Bible every day, what I am doing when
it is the most important book in the history of mankind, because it is
a book inspired by God and for people who do not know, have facts,
have details, have coherences that make it an impossible book written by the
human hand, by the hand of a person. It is impossible, for
example, a detail that people think will arouse interest. The Bible, which
is written by forty authors or more than forty authors for 1, 500 years,
has more than six sixty- three thousand cross- references, that is,
there are sixty- three thousand times more nearly sixty- four zero times
in which one chapter, one verse, speaks of another, refers to another.
This in a book is impossible to happen so many times. It can
only happen if there is only one author and this author is God. Then
the Bible is something and besides, the Bible has one very important thing and
it is one thing that is very fundamental today. The bile is the truth
and the battle that is being fought today is not the battle for the truth.
The first time the Devil or the prince of demons or Satan takes his
head out in the Bible, the first time he does it is to deceive
Eve to confuse her. It tells him this that you assume as true.
It' s not true. Careful. The first time Satan appears is to
confuse people about what the truth is. Eve, God, she told you
something, but I' m gonna mess you up, I' m gonna
make her distrust. The truth is the phrase that Pontius Pilate says to Jesus,
which is wonderful, because it is very current. Tell you what the
truth is? What' s the truth? What they say today, what
is the truth? It' s not a truth. It depends on what
you think. It is not the same with Satan, with Jesus in the
desert. Le Lía quotes him from the Bible, but misquoted to see if
he deceives him, then we are living a battle look how beautiful when Satan
appears in the Bible, he does not appear with armies and fire appears with
lies. That' s the battle. That' s what he' s
eating in the head. People, as well as many Christians, are sometimes
confused, but, as I always say, the Bible is an anchor.
The Bible is there and many people find me sometimes very funny, because it
tells me how I read, the Bible gives me peace, it gives me
serenity. And I think how it doesn' t put me on the ropes.
Many times I get uncomfortable many times when I read the Bible, because
I think I' m not at that point. This thing he says doesn
' t fit me with what society tells me, but it' s true
what you say. And one more detail to talk about this subject in jeremiah,
jeremiah, speaking God by the mouth of jeremiah, talking to the Israelite
people in Jerusalem and telling them you have turned away from the word, you
have questioned the word of God and you have begun to do what the societies
around you do, because it seems to you that it is very fanatical not
to follow what everyone does. When he speaks of this jeremiah, he refers
specifically to the Jews having reburned children as sacrifices to God, because everyone did.
They turned away from the word, and the moment they departed, they
began to do what everyone did. In that case it was to burn children.
But today' s happening too. When we turn away from the word
and consider that following the Bible is fanatical, we begin to do what everyone
does and that clearly separates us from a very beautiful truth that we have in
our hands. So I think you' re just asking God to make this
book conversation with God, I' m only asking the Lord, if he
wants, to be an incentive for people to decide as good. I'
m going to follow a Bible reading plan every day a little bit and see
if in two years, three years, I' ll read it all and
start again. Only that happens in one person. I' m going to
give glory to God. I' m going to be very happy because I
think it' s super important that we go back to this to the Bible
He hears that I think about what catches my attention I don' t know
if about three years ago you had this experience of meeting Jesus, the word
and the lucidity that God has given you for this is that this, this
is something. This is not a normal thing, this is something and I
know who happens to something in cases that happens to someone who has had to
have a genuine experience with God, that transformational that makes you give you another
worldview of life. Yes, I saw it and I like it very much
because the book your book conversation with God, they have it within their reach
in any bookshop in masonry. Of course. Editorial alvada and the previous book
very interesting. Ten reasons to believe in God in Spanish, in Catalan by
urragons par creuran DEU and the Bible. I am a member of the Board
of Directors of the Bible Society of Spain and I always learned to love this
book The Bible as the Book of God. And when I see the history
of the Bible, everything that happens in life, what the Bible does to
people, because we are the Bible is the first missionary in the world.
Then the Bible partner is dedicated, for example, to countries where the Bible
cannot reach and we finance it to arrive for free so that because it is
the most powerful missionary there is. And it is true that this book the
Bible. And here in this book, from what you say, you explain
it in your book, No one can explain it to God. It is
impossible for God to be self- revealed. The Bible is God' s
revelation author, because God is inexplicably humanly speaking, evidently, and this is
it. In addition, there is another thing that a good friend of mine,
who has been the Director General of Biblical Socidad, Josés goes to see
Catalan de pro Pero who lives in Madrid, Well, I don' t
say it as he gave it, but who lives in Madrid, then says
the Bible is a book that has many peculiarities. One of them is that
it' s a book that reads to you yes, yes, I like
it exactly. It' s a book that reads to you completely and interacts
with you. Not magically. No. It' s not a spiritism thing.
It is simply written from eternity. It is not the concept that God
is not in time is out of time and it is written also for you
and also for your time and, therefore, is talking to you and your
circumstances, so that he reveals you is not self- help. It'
s not like the Bible tells you phrases to help you. No. No,
the Bible reveals you to God at every moment of your life and that
is the fundamental thing. The Bible is a revelation from God. That'
s important. Man, of course it' s all about knowing who God
is. It is what gives you life and allows you to understand the work
of Jesus. There is a self I always try to explain the if I
can the Gospel by giving it the context of the Old Testament and Jewish culture,
for because many times there are things that happen in the Gospel that,
if you don' t know the context, you simply hallucinate with Jesus.
But you sometimes miss a little greatness. For example, I will give an
example that now that it is beautiful and in the Leviticus God reveals himself and
pretends that people understand how holy it is. He makes the effort that we
clearly understand that God is most holy, that God is most great, that
God is one thing that is not within our reach. These foundations are very
important to understand later his work as Jesus with his coming in his son.
There is a moment in chapter fifteen in which those women who have menstruation cannot
approach the temple or the tabernacle, for God is most holy. Those women
who have menstruation should be out of being unable to approach during the days of
menstruation, then purify themselves and then come. Even if they touch something,
it' s impure. If a man touches them when he has antration,
it' s unpunished. That is, the woman who has menstruation cannot even
approach the tabernacle. When God reveals Himself to us in Christ, we find
a chapter, verses that are precious, in which a woman who has a
twelve year period, I believe that they were not only approaches God, but
has the faith that God has become man to save us and touches him.
If we only know the episode of hemorrhosis, we say how oysters this woman
just touching Jesus has healed herself. But in reality, what Jesus is telling
us is that God has become a person. God has come to meet us.
It' s not like you can' t come near the tabernacle anymore.
That is no longer that you can touch God and save yourself is so
beast, it is so precious that it is as it is operating in a
precious and narratively perfect way throughout the Bible. It is that scene among many
of Jesus with the woman of hemorrhage, blood, unstoppable hemorrhage. It'
s not that I bled her out, that of course I had her in
a chronic anemia and that she could die from moment to moment. And that
whole scene between so many not and you in a moment has described it like
this and it' s fantasy, because she thought if you just touch and
this is thinking about faith, exactly that kind and just and that' s
why I talk many times about thinking about faith, talking in faith and acting
in faith is the key and then it' s if you just touch the
border but there' s like that conflict and that woman touches her and the
miracle occurs, she stops the bleeding and Jesus says that it' s all
so extraordinary, knowing that Well forgives, knowing that in the tornada, in
the old will that that woman would know, it could be even stony if
she couldn' t touch exactly man and she has the faith to know that
that that that' s changed. There is a paradigmatic case of this and
that I explain because I think it is fundamental to understand this that you just
said Naaman is a Syrian official, there will be Elisha to cure him of
leprosy and Iseo tells him in Jordan Yamn that he is a religious man of
his religion. It says like that' s too easy. He waited for
a rite, a potion, a magic to heal himself and they tell him,
but yes, it is easy to do it and his faith the confidence
that God will heal him just by getting into a river heals him. In
Christianity, the fact itself never heals you. There' s no such thing
as magic. What cures you is that trust that God will operate for you
and that is a brutal thing. There is a time when many people are
misbehaving in the people of Israel with Moses stinging snakes and getting sick and Moses
making a copper serpent. I think it' s the lift and people do
look at it that faith that God will operate. It' s dark what
happens to humans, how we are. If we go after the Book of
Kings, I think chronicles, we find that the Jewish people grabbed that snake.
He thought that what cured was the object and put it in the temple
was done to worship it. Yes, it is so nice to see how
we are and how God operates in a different way. Since it is not
this, it is not the object, it is not what you touch,
it is your faith from the first moment that God will operate for you as
there will be faith. No, and it' s not consistent. There
is no inconsistency. It is not that, suddenly, as is logical,
for a religion that speaks two thousand years or a thousand years before Jesus,
because people became idols like the whole world, is not that God is different,
is not like everyone else. God is special when that is why I
share him, because when you have read, studied, known religions and find
the Bible, you have the face of how this does not resemble anything,
because if you go to any ancient religion, from Hinduism to Buddhism, all
have the idea of Greek mythology, which we all know. What Zeus was
like. Zeus wasn' t a good guy. Zeus was someone who wanted
sex, who wanted such worship, who wanted flesh, who wanted, who
was evil, who killed a pregnant woman so that not her son would inherit
his throne. But that wasn' t Zeus. Estrora Zeus, this was
val This was Marduk. The gods were thus the god of the Bible,
a god who loves his people. Unconditionally there are no ancient religions. Really.
I mean, it' s not invention. You can study it.
It is a very rare thing, because it is the only god who is
God of truth. The others are idols. If you want anything, as
they say, Hebrew. Not elogim not spiritual beings, but they are not
him. Elogim the only God that interesting. We listened to Oriolo Jara and
we' re talking from his book. Last conversation with God of publisher Aldaba
albada pedón and also recalling his previous book by the same publisher alluded ten reasons
to believe that God has it at his disposal in any bookstore and then in
a masquerade, for easily how many interesting things not in your book. Well,
there' s so much we could go through, but we have to
read the book. Hey,' cause one thing we' re extracting here.
Scramble a supernatural conversation or then say and providential tell us a little bit
about this. Yes, well, it' s supernatural, I' ll
do it quickly in providence, I' ll tell you that it' s
a beautiful story about natural, because I, personally, as a Christian,
even after I' ve become, didn' t know the supernatural world of
the Bible. He did not have, as evidently, if we understand how
supernatural God himself. His work in your heart is supernatural, the Holy Spirit
is supernatural. But in the Bible there is an abundant, real and explicit
presence of evil spiritual beings there and, in addition, there is a conquest
struggle in which God, through Jesus, operates to conquer the world up to
the Avenue of Jesus. The first was a thing known as cosmic geography.
Every city, every province, every territory had its own naman idol that we
talked about now. What he asks when he is healed is to take land
from Israel to Syria in order to be able to pray to God, the
God of Israel and needs the land because each place had its god worth And
it is something that is mentioned in Teronomius thirty- two, which is like
that God divides the world between idols and he stays Israel. When Jesus arrives
his operation is of conquest. It is the first religion, if we want
to call it so it has a universal vocation. That did not exist in
India there was every city had its modest. In Greece, every city had
its God. In the Middle East, each city had Marduk, a Baal.
Even art, Jesus comes to conquer the world for God, just like
that. In fact, the first demons who recognize Jesus are the Gadarenes who
are out of Israel and say what you are doing here, How is it
not the deal we had then. This world is supernatural of conquests, supernatural
of spirits. It' s beautiful and in the chapter I try to make
an introduction to something that I would love to be a book later. It
is worth on this subject and I say providential, because God speaks to you
quite clearly. If you want to listen in your life and tell an anecdote
that will try to make brief. I have four wonderful children. The last
one is called Isaac and it is a name that we do not know very
well how it has appeared in our life most times, or all times,
when there is one when one has to name a child, because the father
says some, the mother says others no, and the mother decides and then
the son has a name that they have consented and sac appeared in the life
of this child, in the barrier of his mother and it was simply called
isa that was almost impossible. Well, when he was born, we took
him to baptize a Roman Catholic church and I don' t know who knows
or doesn' t, but every Sunday there are readings in every Roman Catholic
church in the world. Let' s say the same and, well,
we looked for a day that we were doing well to baptize the child that
was my sister, my family could come. Well it was made as the
calendar that was possible and when we took the boy to be baptized, that
day' s reading was the announcement to Abraham of Isaac' s birth.
So the mixture of the two things, of the appearance of the name and
of and of the reading was, as it goes is that it is fascinating
as God, somehow it helps you to grow that trust, which is so
important, to grow that trust that in the end are roots, are fundamentals
for you to say how sometimes, what I have to preach, what I
have to do society does not accept me. It is that God exists in
some way providential, is that he coincides the name, which is son of
the promise and ISAAC with the text of the scriptures that was read that Sunday,
and it is a kind of prophetic confirmation to understand you, no yes,
I never know, that is, if anything God has given me in
recent years is the most precious treasure that is humility and lack of self-
esteem. He said a preacher and that' s very good. And then
I never dare try and say diagnose. What does God say in that work,
at that particular moment that I but he does say something and it is
a way for me to give us a colleja. To me the first to
tell us how it is that I am before you you say a very nice
thing, that is that the Bible is God revealing itself and there is no
other way it is. There is no other way to know God than He
revealing Himself. Aithana is my wife. If I go to a physicist,
biologist and doctor, I' m going to be defined by Ittana. They
' re going to tell me how their molecular composition is, they' re
going to tell me how, how much it measures, how much it weighs.
They' re going to tell me how their organs work, they'
re going to tell me how many beats they give but I know how Saitana
is. With all this accurate information, even if science tells me a thousand
details, I don' t know who it is. If it' s
not revealed to me, that' s the case, it' s a
good example. Yeah, yeah, and it' s like God science already,
but if it' s not revealed to us, we don' t
know who it is. And he has had the great mercy to rebel,
to reveal himself in a book that is as God wants it to be.
Debates from me have sometimes called me a Bible fundamentalist. I have been called
a Bible fundamentalist, because I quote it a lot and am certain, by
a purely philosophical and theological reasoning, that the Bible is exactly how God wants
it to be. It' s that he wants you to know this is
like, but because it' s all powerful, so he' s not
going to leave a Bible other than what he wants it to be. And
then that thought. I think it' s fundamental that you look at this
chapter. No. No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no. If I were to start saying Look
July, it' s that this verse man where you finish the Bible is
as God wants it to be. And that for me is a guide,
a real guide. It' s not just words that I the good one
already see. I emphasize it because I think how I wish I didn'
t forget this phrase never clear, yes, I see that it has left
over already, but that speaks of that of a reader of life, is
that it is the book, a master of life, is the master of
life. Look, I learned to look at myself, and then I got
into culture late and into my career too, but later on, when I
was twenty- seven years old, but I was ahead of a complicated world.
I learned to read well because I didn' t almost go to school.
He was very sick from the age of eight to the age of twelve,
and he had huge gaps. I learned to read well, starting to
read the new Testament and slowly And so on, and the Bible has been
my educator, Glory of God and you know it' s true when I
studied and now I' m part of, a few years ago I have
the honor to be part of the Board of Directors of the Bible Society of
Spain, which is more than centeria of almost two hundred years promoting scriptures and
I have studied the Bible of the subject, inerrancy, it is, liberals,
the contras, all those who say and I have stopped saying good apart,
that the Bible has transformed my life, as I see it has transformed
yours which is the word of God, it does not contain the word.
It is the word of God, which is different. I realized it'
s a miracle book. After now we have it here in a fact cymil
look how nice and how and how of all several translations and versions a little
more updated. Of course they have what dynamic language is, the Bible.
Not the new translations, which are very interesting, not the words are more
simplified, but that is very interesting for the homer mentality. Today, without
perverting the essence that the biblicalists in this are very much Masorets. But when
I study life and read and have that fancied look here, well, I
do any Bible, both Catholic and evangelical, that have the books of the
When I read the Bible really this is a miracle. When the avatars who
have lived the Bible to get to the canonical books that have been selected with
the parents of the Church, of the previous generations and what have passed and
the mistreatments that have occurred and of the heresies that have been and that finally
came to an end. Practically not long ago. After all, almost in
the modern age, the conclusion of scriptures as the book we have Canonical.
This is a miracle. It' s a miracle but clamoring. It'
s a miracle people should think about it, they should understand it, they
should remember it every day. The Church is a miracle. The Church,
the body of believers. The disciples of Christ are a miracle in the year
three hundred and seventy- three. I believe it is from the persecution of
Diocletian, the greatest against the Christians of Rome. The greatest was proposed and
forced to burn down all the houses of assembly and all the Christian texts.
Everybody. In addition, many people died with the five zero Christians executed.
Seventy- seven years later Christianity was the official religion of Rome. Not even
eighty years after the greatest persecution, Christianity is the official religion of Rome.
God has operated to save his church and to make it an engine of salvation
for the world. That is why we have this so beautiful, so urgent
call to go and preach go and preach is that Christianity is very well at
home. If you are a Christian, go home, it is not that
it is not our command, that besides, it is an honor to go
and preach the Gospel to all the creatures of the earth, even to those
people who sometimes today these oh that evil, these God, God must hate
these because they are very bad and they are neither great nor bad, and
what does it do with jonas, no, do not see nor snow and
save them, is that they are very bad. I' m leaving,
I' m leaving the frame run away and God is how they are saved,
I command you to go and save us, even if you despise them,
even if those of Nineveh have thrown the twin towers of your time go
and preach to them. That is so beautiful and so urgent for all Christians.
It' s really urgent. If not I wouldn' t be tomorrow
I' ll go to Jerez, I wouldn' t be there going up
and down this one will let you. For example, it is that and
and the guy flees from the presence of God and comes to Spain, he
comes there and to talk about it, that is Tarsis, which was the
river formerly sailing ships. Yes, and it' s true. I speak
to the book Jonals It is the book of God' s mercy. I
won' t have compassion. It is of more than one hundred and twenty
thousand souls who do not know how to discern among their right hand human.
He wanted many children and many animals. That is where even the delicate God
appears. One last question, because time goes by we could spend hours talking
to the river El Jaray sure our listeners will say go on, go on,
go on, but we come back after a guest friend who also talks
to us about other issues. But look, you said one thing that strikes
me. Maybe that' s it. I think it is an explosive conclusion
that I would like you to explain to her the difference between pagan religions and
religions of other kinds of mysteries and of such and such that there has been
in the world. They have a universal declaration in Christianity, in the Bible,
both in the old and in the new Testament, but much more in
Jesus is God is love, he is not an angry god of the gods
of mythology. They are angry and narcible, for they zeuos against others and
such not and fight against each other, not against each other. But you
already mean but this is breaking neither in the Amora code to me nor in
any of the ancient and ancestral religions. God is love and something they say
God has love. No, no, no, God has no love.
God is love, he is a volcano of love and loves unconditionally and this
I liked to assimilate, uh, as unconditionally. I have to do something
because to deserve that I am worthy of God' s compassion, I can
not, no, no, well, said a friend pastor told me and
I said to God amac and unconditionally and he said yes, yes, well,
Conditionally, the condition is Christ. Okay, okay. This is the
time, it is true, that is, that is your merit Christ,
and it is very important. In the book I explain it, but what
you say is essential to set an example. The universal flood is something that
happened. It is a historical truth and diverse cultures collect that event, because
it is a truth. And in Mesopotamia there is talk of a universal flood.
What is the difference and I believe that in this we will try to
understand what God is about compared to the gods. God creates people and is
sorry because they are hurting each other, because he is importing in a way
that excites me, because it is as if my family brothers are killing each
other, plotting with each other. That is terrible and God decides to end
that horror and start with a society that is closer to what he is so
that people do not harm each other. That is the fundamental theological idea of
the flood. This same flood Hemopotamia is told the following way Enlil, the
enlil God was sick of the people because it made noise and did not let
him sleep and sent them a flood. This is to understand what God is
and what Heos gods are also serving us God, not God loves. There
is no God of Antiquity who loves people, all of them. There'
s none, but it' s not that I say it, it doesn
' t exist. It doesn' t exist. And another very important thing.
There is no God of Antiquity who manifests that humans are his image.
None of the likes of any God that kings say are my children, the
kings. But may a God say even this destitute is my image. We
too have to be alerted by this person whom society tells us not to listen
to him today is already very old. Watch that it' s God'
s image, careful with what you' re doing, not that it'
s super pretty, which is one of the sins of sodoma. It'
s like the hand of the needy. You' ve held the hand of
this person who' s suffering that' s natural, or you' ve
been an abomination and you' ve ignored him. Although even animals, when
there is an attack that makes us protect the weak, animals and in us
are taking us to a ground where, well, the elderly are already very
bad and others are fast, which is an abomination because it is unnatural,
not normal. Okay. Indeed, we would be hours. They speak yes,
because it' s the subject or it' s the subject. That
' s why we have to make a male and our listeners hear it and
say it' s interesting. We are listening to everything now we have artificial
intelligence that does not, if that or that said the omos of good,
means also it is beyond that for here and that says there is an approximately
told us I believe that twenty, thirty percent of possibilities that artificial intelligence destroyed
humanity. I mean, we' re creating our own gods that are going
to destroy us in the end. If not, it will be I who
know, because we need a redeemer only Jesus, if it is the one
who saves man from endemic sin. And besides, what is behind is eternal
life, It is a life with him forever, in an eternal kingdom,
in a new world, new heavens and new earth. But for all that
you have to read this book conversation with God Look I am sure that those
who needed listening with the river The Jara and a servant will have said wow.
He hears him, don' t cut, uh, but look.
If you listen, well, you' re gonna be able to. In
our Spriaker. The train of life is recorded on our YouTube channel, also
from Julio Pérez, but also on the Fribou Like. You have it in
mind, you cannot hear it again, but the book will get you to
enjoy it and if you have spiritual concerns, you probably will. An approach
to faith through this book, to the Christian faith, recommend it to your
friends, because that council is a book that is understood and already I tell
you has singularity. That' s why I recommend it too, dear oriol
friend Ho honor, thank you for being here, for taking your time and
I know that you have a work schedule, of your own, of your
own production and that you are there, but also of your conferences, goings
and comings. Thank you for having me understand, thanks to you and that
it is a very great honor that you interview me with all your heart.
I feel very lucky to be here. Thank you and I too for sharing
this time with you. I enjoy it, but very much so, nothing
is always there. Friends and those I blessed graces or the train of life,
half life of the desert Prosperas Abraham and the people who looked at the
sky and Stephen without pit give him the pole rests because he tries me.
Moses hit the broken one and you gave him no feeling of going dart in
arms. He knows how to give you by faith He understands people with his
sea Is it you who will provide? Will you provide? His is my
decity I will not have all is well, let me always know if the
widow of a tsareta all your provision rejoices the word larrorescito, Holy Ericus,
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already on Mallenas, who already missed him these days between the weeks Santa and
some guests that we have had so a little bit special of these that are
not frequent, that have forced us a little bit to displace some programs.
But suddenly we return to the pulse of the present with our good friend,
already or more full. You know he is a lawyer, but he is
also the national coordinator of biblical graduates of GVG, then degrees of biblical groups
and is also a lecturer at the level of our country, but also international
and always a special talker, because he is at the end of the news,
knows what happens and we have always said that we, believers, some
interpret that we live in Babia. No. No, no, we'
re up to date. Okay. My job also forces me to do it,
not because of journalism, but in general, when we talk on the
radio, it says good. But these people, yes, yes, we
know what' s going on, at least some things we know good.
Well, welcome, dear friend Jaun Mallenas, thank you, Julio. A
pleasure to hear from you, also because this is seen and somehow, for
it is a pleasure to meet again after these weeks that we have been out
taking a little rest. I also hope our listeners have also had a little
rest. And, well, then, retake the pulse to the present,
re- take the daily work that in the end is when we produce and
when we do good things and that, somehow persist after us, because our
work persists even after us. Well, we' ve had vacations, some
of the week- long ones have taken advantage of it to go to different
tourist destinations. Spain is a great country for that. Well, Spain to
Europe and any part of the world when you have a week ahead, because
you can travel. But we have also had holy water from heaven that is
missing is true. That' s right. It rained a little in other
parts of Spain. It has rained more, but here in Catalonia it resists
rain, but something has improved. What has fallen is that water from heaven
literally, not only because it fell from above, but because it came from
heaven really from God' s provision, from that good provision of God,
which makes rain upon the righteous and above all righteous, is true. And
in that sense, blessed by the water, which we have blessed by the
increase say today, I read that the water that has fallen provides us with
a cushion of two months of water consumption in Catalonia. Not bad, because
we were really in a very distressing situation with regard to water consumption. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, well, we' ll have to think.
I have said this and we have talked about it here in many respects.
Politicians, at least as an observer of the country' s future and
political and in general, there is a lot of improvisation about politics. In
some respects there is a certain foresight, because if it would not be chaos,
there is a certain sense of foresight, but we do not. For
example, the theme of the famous desaladoras here, in Catalonia and in other
parts of the State, of the hydrological plan, the water plan has also
been postponed some what they wanted to activate later themselves. The last one that
deactivated it was Zapatero, which was all planned then and really that of the
after- bases. It is also a whole water policy, but it is
the inter- community solidarity of the autonomous communities, because one of the things
we interdepend on is water. Right. The truth is that yes and it
is one of the issues that we lack long- term policies. As politicians
have to come to the polls with a certain frequency, then that pressure of
the ballot box is sometimes negative, not a good thing, because politicians have
to endorse that they are still loved by the people, that they love them
in that place and they do not want another. But it is true that
this pushes short- term policies, to policies that are seen immediately. And
these things aren' t seen because when you have to build those other bases,
when you have to put those pipes, when you have to build those
desalination plants, that' s when you don' t need to. That
' s when we have the water. And it clearly says now I'
m going to spend on something that is not necessary when I have such pressing
things. But of course, we in our country know that we have this
problem and we know that the problem is going to go further in the future.
It will not go unless these droughts are going to be more and more
frequent and longer. Therefore, not foreseeing is a guilty act. It is
an act that, when we now encounter the drought situation, what we are
seeing is that during the years where there was water, no one made foresight
when we had the previous problem, the drought so great that there was in
our country, that we were on the edge, then also everyone said something
must be done. But when it started to rain, we didn' t
focus on the short and medium term issues again, which are the ones that
hit the elections. However, we are not rewarding those politicians who have a
medium- and long- term vision and we should also be, as a
people, a little wiser, little more able to see who is doing policies
in the medium and long term is solving the real problems, because the water
problem is a real problem, and the water problem for irrigation, the water
problem for cities, a water problem for the number one industry we have in
Spain, which is tourism. So, of course, this requires that we
keep looking after him. People won' t keep coming to our country if
we have water problems. People can' t swim in the pool They can
' t take a shower where we have to take care of an industry that
doesn' t just have the sun, but the infrastructure needs to be put
in place to take advantage of it. Therefore, politicians who do not move
just by what the last poll says, who takes out the newspaper, such
or that the Institute of Opinion is here, but politicians who move for the
needs of the country in the long term. The issue of water, water
policy. In the first world we are talking about the first world we have.
Water is a problem, a problem that is becoming more acute and alternative
systems, such as desolations and other systems, need to be invented or reinvented.
But I really don' t tell you anything anymore. In the third
world, the issue of droughts and famines. The issue of water is also
a global issue, it is a subject that produces many, many difficulties and
many deaths due to droughts and famines by extension. So, of course we
' re in the first world. But if people start to despair with this,
for example, now we have a political quarrel here in our country,
of all colors, well, but in a Cainite State, very very wild
that I don' t know this as who will stop it if they are
only once those of the right and other times they are those of the left,
then they alternate, come and do and in the end they do something
very similar with one argument and another counterargument. But if you' re telling
me that we' re going to do good in Spain anything else, or
in Catalonia or in the Basque Country. Now I hear a policy, but
people don' t care about that if I' m a wholesaler, if
I' m an independent, I mean look, don' t talk to
me about this. Now tell me what I need. We' ll have
another forum to talk about this and whatever you want, but I need to
tell you now, as we say in Catalonia. I need solutions. Let
' s say practice to my everyday problems. One of them is water,
because it seems like it' s kind of a mockery, because to say,
talking about the properties of fried egg or garlic soup, when I have
to have other priorities. It means it' s a wake- up call
to politicians. But in another version, we can transfer it to Spanish politics
in general. We' re talking about the sun, the moon, the
stars, the sex of the angels. While the Turks are invading constantinopla,
which was what was happening at the council of Constantinople, while they were defining,
among other things, how many angels were in the head of a pin.
So here the Turks mean the adverse circumstances, nor do we speak of
what we do not know. I don' t know if you agree with
me in this reflection. Yes, it is true that water has become an
economic good, that the economy is the science of the administration of scarce goods,
of goods that are not scarce. It is not necessary to make economy,
but water, which was a matter that no one cared about centuries ago,
was there simply water was like air today. If the air were to
begin to be of poor quality and unbreathable, the pure air would become an
economic good, well of which we would have to decide economies. This is
what' s happening with the water. It is said that part of the
wars of the future will not be for the possession of oil, but for
the possession of water. And we' re facing something that' s limited.
I' m also saying we took it for granted by the water.
Water is not taken for granted because with the climate change we are experiencing,
regions of the planet are becoming more sensitive. The Mediterranean basin, particularly in
Europe, is one of the most sensitive areas where there are areas of progressive
desertification. This is not something that is going to be in five hundred years
' time, something that we are seeing because there is an acceleration of the
rate at which desertification occurs in a very important climate change. Higher temperatures,
higher water evaporation. I mean, it' s a whole series of less
rain issues, and so on. And of course, we are seeing all
this in our day and it is necessary of the answers in our day.
When I speak long term, I am not referring to the generations of our
grandchildren. I' m referring to the long term. In seven or eight
years we are now starting to build salt plants. The other day I heard
one of the desaladoras that are cuttering huge giant and said we will finish as
fast as possible for two thousand twenty- eight, For two thousand twenty-
eight, we can all be dead. So, that is, you could
have all died of thirst water of one hundred and two thousand and twenty-
eight. It' s true. So, no, it' s not,
it' s not the target. The aim is that we should have
foreseen this, because it takes many years to build. And we have to
build not just this one. We have to build those that we will need
in two thousand thirty, in two thousand thirty five, we have to start
building them now. So, yes, definitely, we have politicians who care
about the basic needs of citizens who have to do with the day- to
- day and that our politicians are at their ball. This is the feeling
that gives me. The feeling that the elections in Catalonia, for example,
for the 12th of May, is a matter of a question of seeing which
is the Nationalist Party that is going to be the dominant within the Independence Group.
This is what is causing these elections. It is a struggle between two
political parties that can no longer withstand the pressure of each other, and it
has no choice but to call elections. And of course we are caught up
in the partisan struggle of two parties such as Esquerra and Juns in Catalonia.
This is terrible, because we are how to say it, we are the
captives. We are not going to say the instrument that they are going to
use to decide which party is the strongest, the one that is imposed within
those dynamics. That is why the independent parties today feel that in many areas
they lack ideology. The only thing that leads them to one side or the
other is that it says one thing and the other needs to be differentiated.
Since it needs to be differentiated, it has to promote policies, but they
are no longer even right- wing or left- wing policies. They are
no longer politics even for or against independence, if they are not simply to
be distinguished and to be the one who dominates money within independence. But they
are realizing that when they see, when they realize, they will no longer
be majority in Catalonia, simply because they were doing so badly you? They
' re going to stop being majority in Catalonia is that there' s going
to be a vote of punishment, there' s going to be. I
have a good environment where I have to read about people who have had that
political approach, but not what I think in a neutral way. I say
what my personal vote is, but I do it from a journalistic point of
view. He tells me no. No. No. No. No.
There is a vow of punishment in honor. A vow of punishment and,
moreover, is reasonable. It is the common sense that imposes upon you then,
this is that and then the sense of anticipation. In so many things,
there are so many social and citizen needs that you notice that it is
first. I have said Members in general say they have commissions of some men
they have to do something, otherwise this would already be chaos, it would
be the recaca already, but the end is total. But they have to
do something. But the deputies, even the parliamentarians of Catalonia and the autonomous
governments and above all at the national level, the Senate, no longer tell
you anything that almost nothing comes and the lower house does not work except for
mayors and councillors, who have a much more realistic approach to citizenship. Usually,
a little more we have to attribute to them, because it is quite
true. In general, the others, these people don' t, as
they say, popularly don' t, work little and they charge a bonus
for a commission to perceive or something and they don' t work. If
I were in the Congress of Deputies, I' d put a public outcry
on them because on top of that, we' re talking about the sun,
the moon and the stars. Therefore, we need realities to be committed
and we have a lot of issues in the country. That political improvisation thing.
I' m desperate, because you see a lot. In addition,
apart from the lies of one another, they have convinced one thing these days.
We are on parliamentary committees, Senate committees on corruption, committees in Congress
on corruption and have really managed to convince us that everyone is really corrupt.
This is, in the end, the conclusion it reaches. You say yes
it' s true, you' re all right. Everyone else is short.
What happens is that everyone wants to say no. Mine aren' t
as corrupt as the others. It is not what we are discussing, but
of course, the truth is that they are coming to convince us that we
do not have the parliamentarians we wanted to take. Yes, it is true
that there is a lack of sensitivities. We have desensitized towards corruption. Today
there was also news that if the elections in Madrid were to be presented again
at this time, it would bring back the absolute majority, that is to
say, that we are so desensitized. We also do not know so clearly
that our parliamentarians deceive us that in the end we take it for granted.
It no longer has any electoral effect, because we are willing to vote corruptly.
There is no choice but to vote corruptly. This is terrible when a
party forgives, when a country gets used to having corrupt politicians, because then
this does not only affect politicians, but affects the morale of a society.
They are in a position of visibility, they are in a moralizing position.
They have a moral duty, they have a moral duty to represent. What
it is about being a Spanish, what it is about being a Catalan,
what it means to be a Spanish. And of course, when they are
corrupt, when they really and when the citizens end up not caring anymore,
but we have to vote for someone and we vote for them as usual,
because better the bad known than the good to know clau. This is terrible
for a country because it means that we have not only a solution now,
but a solution for the future. We' re voting people we know are
corrupt and we don' t even care about knowing they' re corrupt anymore.
This is terrible. This is no longer just that if you work more
or work less. The problem is, whether they' re corrupt or not,
they are corrupt, so of course this. This is going to get
older, it' s going to get older. These would look like more
work. That' s what' s interesting. Reflections and I was already
thinking about the mystery of the suitcases, of those of the twenty famous suitcases
of the Minister of Isy of Venezuela, when it came that to theÑorbalo
It was the minister in turn, with all the day of elbow and all
the. The issue of masks, corruption means that here, here, here
there' s a whole underworld in politics behind the scenes when it comes out
and what comes out of us you can' t imagine what comes out of
us. The trapicheans you say hear, but what they were talking about apart
from the subject of the soap opera and companionship and all the trapicheos and then
you go somewhere else, you see other things, but I was thinking and
what would be the mystery of the twenty suitcases and in a contradictory situation that
there would be here and how and how it was, it was the worst
moment. It was going through a critical situation, the Venezuelan dictatorship of Maduro
and that could break, but notice, what would happen back there. If
any journalist or give manages not to lie to us to discover the truth of
the matter, there is a cat locked up here, then, but anyway,
this is a maze of an intringulis that never ends. But the truth
is, well, we need to. The bad thing about this is when
there is a regenerationist movement, as it was at the time. Apparently we
can then corrupted from also at the end and after other ways and went to
extremes and good and was lost in the olympus with absurd banalities. Politically speaking,
but at first it created expectations and then, even by citizens at their
best, such not, but then they have succumbed to the system, that
is, to those of the caste and criticized those of the caste, but
they became caste. And then the danger of all this is whether a radical,
but authoritarian, cross- cutting movement arises that can lead to an unwanted
political situation that is happening in Europe right now. He believes that the extreme
right through populism is spreading throughout Europe, not because of virtues of the extreme
right itself, but because of defects in the democratic system. This is already
spreading in countries where there are many years of performance, such as in France.
France has a very powerful extreme right since the second match. In France,
at this moment, then he thinks new developments that have occurred as in
Portugal the last elections. Then the government has had to leave the extreme right
party out, but with the complicity of the left, because by winning the
right, the left has had to turn away so that the extreme right did
not accede to the government. In Spain, the extreme right is normalizing.
This is all populism. This is all some kind of nationalism that we should
turn away from. That is the terrible aspect of nationalism. We have to
think that we have experience in Spain. In Spain we have history worth and
history what tells us is that the last coup d'état that triumphed in
Spain one thousand nine hundred thirty- six was right- wing nationalism Nation Nine
right- wing populist nationalism. At that time there was no talk of populism.
We were at another time talking about protofascism, or traditionalism, etcetera.
That is the correct language for that time. But what is happening today in
many nations of the world, the United States, with Trump, but is
that there are elections to the European Parliament or challenge the day after the European
Parliament elections can be the ultra- right, the most voted party in Europe.
We are facing this situation, because it has grown throughout Europe. Before
there was here, but today that vote is everywhere. And that in part
of what it marks is a failure of the parliamentary system that is not managing
to respond to the needs of the people. And then populism comes to defend
us the people. And we the people, because of course they rise before
a caste system, a system that does not understand what are the situations that
concern the population, that gives us answers to the sun to the needs of
the population And then the evil arises, because there is a rise of evil.
And this, but let' s see or challenge the day after the
election. Well, well, that' s worrying. But then we'
ll see that the ultra- left is so dangerous. It also happens that
it is masked with one of its pseudo progress superse and so on, but
look last episode, the only yes, is yes, the fiasco, where
it is still favoring characters than Dani Alves and others and others who have committed
very serious crimes and so many others who have come out. It already means,
and with a kind of presumption, that we are the saviors of the
homeland in a free version, but it means that at the extremes and we
are surrounded by dangers and then a combination between the social democracy and the civilized
right. It seems to be impossible here in Spain, in Germany it has
not been so and in some countries, also in the Netherlands at some point
and elsewhere. But I mean, we can' t stand each other easily,
too. But it is good that God will never help us better then,
and we need policies. We' re going to call broad- spectrum
policies, because ultra- left and ultra- right policies are short- spectrum
policies. They are not for the entire population, but in some way they
are for very extreme sections of the population. Notice that the success of ultra
- left policies is not being very broad, just as the ultra- right
is succeeding in Europe. It' s becoming a very big, very big
movement. On the other hand, the ultra- left is being very small.
At some point, Cinizza, in Greece seemed to have some possibility,
but frankly it is being swept away from all over Europe, perhaps less from
Spain and in very few other countries. But, on the other hand,
the risk of the ultra- right, if it' s great, if
it' s true, if it' s for right now and we have
to keep a close eye on it. Yes, yes, well, there
are so many things to talk about that I say God help us, because
God another thing about the shortcomings of European politics is yes, the denominationality of
the states and all that. But indeed secularization has eradicated God from our collective
projects. To God divinity, Christianity in its best version, in Christianity in
religious version, versus religious, but in its best version, which is Christ.
Sure, that all sounds self- pity to magic legend. For some
past historical episodes also undesirable. But it turns out that God’ s absence
in the daily life, in the lives of our peoples, is beginning to
feel true and feels very much. The problem is that we had Christendom in
some parts of Europe, but we did not have Christianity in Europe. In
Spain, for example, it was a country where everyone was Catholic. I
remember statistics back ninety- nine comma nine percent of Catholics in the country.
No And then it turns out that there were really no believers, there were
Catholics, but there were no believers. And here' s the problem.
When this has ceased to have prestige, when it has ceased to be the
central lane of society, when the central lane is occupied by other ideologies and
people are moving to these ideologies. Now we realize that Christians are very few
in society, that Spain was not really Christian. Spain has been a country
where religion has been imposed. But religion has never been proposed. There has
never been any attempt to convince people that they have always tried to impose and
clearly when you impose on one generation after another, a regulation that they have
to accept. Yes or yes, like it or not, because this is
what causes a very strong reaction. Instead, we have other models of Christianity.
Not all of Europe has been like Spain to us that Spain has very
little religious culture, very little, very little even when people who go to
the Easter professions ask what carambas are celebrating there. They know that step,
they know that other one too, and they don' t know what the
meaning of what they' re carrying on their shoulders, some of them,
or what they' re singing celebrating. It is not a country deeply uncultivated
in terms of religion, because religious culture has never been practiced, people have
never been taught the contents. Before, at least sacred history was taught.
You remember that the schools studied sacred history. Yesterday I had a student in
a course I was giving is that I, I had memorized the sacred story.
I liked sacred history. But the first time I entered a church and
someone preached about the Old Testament of Coup to discover that all that had a
huge message. This is what they have not explained to the Spaniards that the
old and the new Testament have great content and is not only sacred history.
They are not the only comics from the past of nomadic shepherds there are in
the Middle East, but it has to do with life today. These are
stories that have no meaning to us, and that is what has produced the
most advanced Europe, because the Europe of reform. The Europe that understood the
scriptures, the Europe that brought the scriptures to day to day, that Europe
of day to day. What it produced was a reform that was not only
a religious reform, but a reform in the cultural field, in the field
of law. It had an impact on medicine, on nursing, it had
an impact on all areas of knowledge. That Europe to which everyone wants to
come was not formed by the Christian. It was really formed by Christians who
took seriously what the scripture said, who led to day- to- day
practice and who changed the way they did, that is, democratic regimes.
Liberal democracy is a democracy created in countries where there was a very important substrate
of Christianity. That' s why sometimes they have to import it into Muslim
countries and it doesn' t work. Why, because there is no substrate,
because people do not have a substrate that allows them to establish a democracy.
In all Muslim countries, all Muslim- majority countries, democracies are fragile,
democracies are weak. Democracies leave much to be desired, understanding that ours
too leaves much to be desired. But democratic regimes in countries where Christianity has
been strong are not comparable to those in countries where Christianity has been weak.
All the countries where Christianity has been taken seriously, where there has been reform,
are countries where today they preside over respect for human rights, respect for
the place of women, respect for all the collectives of society, even with
which we do not agree. Respect for all of them, because tolerance can
only be established with those you disagree with and are deeply tolerant regimes. I
am talking, for example, about Britain, Sweden, Norway, Finland,
Denmark, Germany, Iceland and in short, all of these have had a
very strong impact on the Swiss reform, for example, and all of these
regimes are today leading freedoms in the world, for taking seriously what the scriptures
say, things that we have never had contact with the writers of the Spanish
people. He' s never had contact with the scriptures. He has had
in touch with religion, but not with the scriptures which is what affects in
a transformational way the life of Martin Luther, that Augustinian monk who read was
professor of New Testament Chair and reading and rereading the New Testament and the Letter
to the Romans, when it seemed that he was always rhetorical. But one
day later justified by faith, not by moral works. We are unable to
pay God what is justified, for by faith in Jesus, of course,
we can have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. So, when
that opens your eyes and says well, this first gives you the need to
find yourself in the state of saying I' m morally lost. Yes,
I believe that God is somewhere, that God has expressed Himself in Christ,
and but that I am lost and I recognize that I am in fault with
God and then I ask God for forgiveness. I sincerely reconcile. I experience
a conversion and that produces a total catharsis. That' s what happened in
the protest reform. That was the message. It was then politicized by several
political crosses in Europe. But the messenger was a transformational message and from there
on out. Now we are going to have an interview shortly with José Luis
Carrol Rovira about Protestantism in Europe. Next month we have an interview in the
train of life, and it is the transformation, the paradigm of not only
progress, of the advance of the modern age and to enter into what is
rebirth, in the convergence that there was, but even the message of deliberation
through the encounter with God, that changes, totally changes the human projection.
I mean, we can talk a lot about this. Truth calls And there
' s room because this has then continued to have an impact. For example,
a character like Roger Williams, who I love. Roger Williams is a
believer, solid, profound theologian and he is the founder of the first lay
state, the first state where it was not necessary to belong to a particular
religion to have all civil rights. He forms what is called the Providence Plantation,
which will then be the state of Rhode Island in the United States,
and then his theses are those that pass to the American Constitution, one of
the most democratic constitutions in the world. The world' s first truly democratic
constitution a hundred years before the French Revolution. Then I was thinking of another
Martin Luttero in Martin Luther King who leads the entire human rights movement for liberation,
for the equalization of racial minorities in the United States. Of course,
all this is having an impact throughout history. This has a great impact also
in South Africa on the completion of the departure of people like desmont Tou Tou.
All these people have a deep biblical conviction. It is their p o
ns biblical conviction that leads them to dismantle dictatorial regimes, to promote equality among
people. Of course, then this continues to provoke us. It' s
one thing that happened five hundred years ago. We are five hundred years from
the beginning of reform, not reform. The reform remains in place today and
continues to have an impact today. But that is why it is very important
for us to realize that if something has transformed Europe and transformed it systematically,
revivals in Wales, revivals elsewhere in Europe, very important, revivals and elsewhere
in the world, in every environment in Latin America, Korea, in short,
outbreaks of biblical Christianity throughout the world, which have transformed societies, that
is, power, the greatest transformative power in fixed society. Compare with another
phenomenon, compare with the effect of Marxism, which also promised immense transformations of
societies. Look at societies where there is an impact of Marxism and how they
have tried to get it off of it, because this was something that produced
the opposite of what I had promised. He promised liberation and only produced slavery.
Instead, Christianity promises liberation and frees people from their mothers. Of course
all this has to be turned around. We have to think in terms of
history, because if we did not think in terms of what has happened over
the last five hundred years, we cannot understand why the world is like this
today. Yes, yes, interesting reflections already before dismissing this interview to one
of the works of the biblical groups of graduates of GVGGBU, also that you
direct as national director, and also the talks manual and I want to appeal
to that because we are interested. I' m interested in this. I
believe that Christians committed to the truth, the truth of everything, the truth
of God, but the truth in the things of life, we would also
like the truth in politics so corrupt, with as much lie as there they
had, would come out almost all the Members with the noses of pinocho there
to speak. But the reality is that the Christian at work is a very
interesting subject. Not we have thought that to reach other people with the Gospel
message, which changes lives, which has a wonderful redeeming power and so necessary,
but that we have had to go do all kinds of systems to hear
somewhere. But it turns out that we have a field of mission to Christians
that does not have to go unnoticed and is our center of work, not
only for our personal integrity in ethics, in the way we are natural,
but to be genuine true believers, confessors, as well as convicts in Christ.
Also the subject of all that is our professional work performance with the values
of faith And in a moment intentionally when there is a situation of a friendly
dialogue, is to tell people and you know what happened to me, I
want that testimony can also happen to you. It gets out of hand,
forgets us, we are not assuming it, because the Christian at work does
not take advantage. It is where we spend much of our life, exactly
where we spend more than half of our life. Wake up. We'
re going to spend between eighty zero and ninety zero hours working in life.
But that' s only in paid work, because then there' s the
rest of the jobs, because not only is paid work, but what we
do at home, what we do in associations, volunteerism, family care,
that' s all work. That environment is the environment we are in.
God has entrusted it to us Sometimes we talk about the first great Commission.
The first great Commission is not the one that Jesus entrusted to us at the
end of the Gospel to kill which is normally the one. The first is
when he made us human beings on the first page of the Bible Genesis,
chapter one, And there in verses twenty- six to twenty- eight,
God tells us to reproduce, multiply fill the earth or judge it and clear
how this is done. This is done through our daily work. Then we
have been sent to that mission, to the mission of working, the mission
of making this world a place where one can inhabit. And the now that
we are there, which is the place where God has sent us people,
is all day long wondering where God wants me to go, what I have
to do, and God answers us where I have put you. You'
re in this position, not because the head of administration or the head of
human resources or the head of the company hired you. That' s not
why you' re there. You' re there because God sent you to
that place. You are the person sent by God to bring the gospel in
the sense of transforming reality, of making reality transformed for good. Then you
are the one sent there for this and then we receive the second great commission
to go and make disciples in the place where God has sent us. And
of course, we all spent that lot of hours in our workplaces. We
have a natural contact with people. We are there to bless, bless our
businesses with our work, bless our customers, bless our suppliers, bless our
co- workers. That is the choice, that is, God has sent
us to bless, to do well where we are, to transform. Any
picture of evil that is seen, any expression of evil that is seen we
have to manage to make companies that serve the purpose for which they were created
in the companies. They' re not alone to win well. They have
to make money. It is not wrong to make money, but it is
not only the only objective, but with that objective, with what our companies
produce, people can live. People can live better with the services we produce,
with the goods we make, with the products of the field we produce.
All this is meant to make people live better. Therefore, when we
do this, we are fulfilling God’ s goal of making it possible to
live on earth. And this has an impact on the lives of people watching
us. People are watching Christians think, ask us if we have practical solutions
to the situations in which we all live today and if we do, the
truth is that we do. We are living them many times, but sometimes
we live them in silence. And what we have to do is bless people
by telling them what the experience is, how Christ has intervened in our lives,
how Cresto has changed. For good, the environment we work in was
thinking good. In the New Testament there are many, many allusions. The
apostle Paul himself, who is the great developer of Christian doctrine, for the
founder of the first Christian Eurasia communities that set the tone and have been recorded
in the New Testament, gives instructions on the moral, and spiritual, ethical
life of Christian communities, of believers in Christ, but he gives instructions on
life, on the ethics of work, on the family, on social relations,
even political of time and such and which is very practical in that.
But then I was remembering that man who was mad not and that Jesus,
the madman who went mad, that Jesus miraculously healed and because he was totally
alive in the tombs and was totally gone. But when he heals him and
that man returns to serenity, he recovers the sanity and clear that the man
says so I want to follow. To this man, this man has changed
my life and he tells you no b and tell yours how great things God
has done to you and this man was a neighbor of Decapolis, a group
of ten towns, and he began there to tell his people in the daily
life. Work is the daily life. So, let' s not miss
opportunities and by the way, I think there are even manuals and workshops and
seminars that you are teaching and have made true from GVU GBG very interesting materials,
such as a material that comes from the London Institute Ford Contemporary Cristianit and
the one that founded made in stot that is called transform your work, which
is a manual on eight lessons that last for a year. The meeting is
for small groups every month and a half. So there is a meeting and
then they can organize in their churches and have groups transform your work in the
church to make believers think what the world could be like, how it could
be the reality if we were present in the place where we work, how
we could take advantage of it Recently we just published another one called integrated,
also for small groups that one can organize in his church. With that material
everything is ready, they all have a support in videos and the videos are
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the train of life. We' re at Dr Rocca' s office on
the direct line. We have finally arrived with the desire to speak with him
there in his office America, here in the metropolitan area of barzona very close
to the city of the capital in Sardañola, on Red Cross Avenue, number
one, in a very central medical center. Sun there is our friend,
Dr Roca, who is our medical advisor and, in addition to other nuances
that speaks to us and we want to talk to him about the different pathologies
of blood, some of them, of course it is infinite and a little
morphologically, what is the component of blood so that we are aware of the
blood that tells us blood when according to how it is. No good,
well here we go good morning, dear friend, Doctor Roca Hello, good
morning, dear Julio, good day of audience the Dotor Roca. Something vital
in the human body is blood how much, how many liters of blood each
human being has in his body. Well, it depends on the size.
From the average it is calculated between four and six liters, but go is
something relative. Logically, there are huge people, there are little ones and
the blood is also proportional to the volume, but well, there are more
or less stops and work. It' s funny that if we lose the
blood, we lose our lives, because the blood the life of the flesh.
As the Old Testament says, in the blood it is in the sense
that blood what a mystery, which could be something else, but the blood
we take for granted, because it runs through our veins and has a What
are the morphological components of the blood. So well, the blood is composed
of several corpuscles or cells. Some of them are complete cells because they have
their core. Other ceudas, because they are incomplete because they have lost in
their production process. It' s their core, so there' s only
what it is. The cytoplasm and membrane, which are red blood cells,
in which white blood cells are whole cells, have their nucleus and then have
fragments, which are platelets. They' re cell fragments. And these platelets,
you know, have the function of hemostasis. They are the bricks that
the body will use when there is a loss of blood, immediately they will
adhere to the edges of the wound to repair, to cut that hemodaje in
an effective way. White blood cells. At the same time there are different,
different kinds. We have to differentiate them by their shape, by their
size, but fundamentally by their function, since there are a variety of functions
within these feudas that are highly specialized, from some that will secrete immunoglobulins others
that will proceed to attack foreign bodies, bacteria, viruses. That is to
say, we will have a fundamental part of the immomentary system of the human
being there. Apart from that, because, you say good is this and
there is no longer the blood that contains proteins, it contains proteins that many
of them are transporters of substances without which, without these prophecies that are acquired
from certain substances, because those substances are aggressive and could not be transported by
the blood stream nor cause harm. So they' re going to transport them
and they' re going to get that substance that' s needed. The
other point, how it can be a mineral, a metal, etcetera,
because it gets to its site and can do its function. Blood, your
honor, is a tissue, let' s say tissue. People say liquid,
but it really is a tissue, a surprising living tissue, like a
number of functions that even the sciences century ixuno continue to discover more and more
things about blood, what things I clear every time I think we save the
human body. It is something prodigious, the blood that is vital, because
if we bleed out, we die and, by the way, we take
the opportunity to appeal to all our audiences in so many cities that we can
generously collaborate with the blood banks, which always need a lot to care for
hospitals are oversaturated and blood transfusions are very necessary. Healthy blood. Of course,
the fact is that you see this as blood, which is a tissue,
vital fluid, but it is as if you see the eye, the
human eye with those faculties, or the ear or speech, the ability to
speak. I mean, we' re amazing. This is an engineering,
extraordinary divine engineering, Our truth, the rock, the truth is that it
is the human being, the human body, any living being, but let
us say as the culmination of God' s creation, the human being is
the wonder of wonders. And the more we know him, the more we
are amazed. And, well, day by day we are seeing new functions
in the blood of organs, in the brain, which for me is one
of the passions in understanding something, knowing, something more of the mind,
of the human mind, of the human brain, which is extraordinary in functions
and still so ignoble, so ignored, so unknown. But it is true
the idea that there is in some that we are the product of random chance
in time and space. Well, it is implausible, not only in mathematicians,
demonstrable by the theory of probabilities, but also by the special intelligence of
design so ingenious in all its mechanisms. Hence I believe that glory is to
him, because no one can really be amazed or look out at with the
slightest possibility of imitating God' s creation in the remotest place. That'
s right. We demand this with a loud public voice, because it is
a truth. It' s a clamoring, clamoring truth, dotro rock.
Different pathologies of human blood, but of course, there are many, but
what are the good times. We have, of course, when you suffer
from anemia or other diseases, a little more serious of a cancerous nature,
leukemia or something like that, but the most common ones which are good.
The truth. The truth is that there are a multitude of pathologies and thalitums
commented before how blood in turn has different cell formations. Each of them can
develop and develop, unfortunately, different diseases, as you said. Well,
leukocytes can develop different pathologies from a lack, a lack, an ideficit of
unitary system due to a decrease of eukocytes in one of their series or the
opposite, an increase in cancerous level and really, because to have a cancer
in the blood, which are the typical leukaemias, that also at the same
time there are different leukaemias, the haechudas, the chronic ones, that is,
a whole field that is, unfortunately, because we see occasionally and that
we have to refer hematology to the specialists at hospital level, because they require,
after expensive and very specialized complexes and sometimes with impressive expenses, in order
to be able to carry out that patient and give him a survival. For
many years or even to normalize your state of life. That in the white
series, in the red series, as you said, we can also have
different pathologies. The one you mentioned is one of the most frequent girls.
Anemia is a Greek term. You know what I think means is not Greek
denial and then it' s like we' re saying anemia that there'
s no blood. It' s not really that there' s no blood.
What happens is that the oxygen transporter protein, which is hemoglobin, is
low and when it descends below a few values, the subject of oxygenation and
the removal of detritus, monoxide, carbon and ugly two of the organism,
as it is seen, is altered and then the aniñas can be due to
lack of iron, due to lack of vitamin b twelve, due to lack
of pitofolic, because of a problem of the marrow where the blood is going
to form. That is, we can find many problems of formation, red
blood cells or also of loss. There may be a loss in the intestine
if it is a woman, because she has a thick monthly bleeding, a
hiter meno rea, a metrorrhagia. And so, then, also this woman,
because she will have problems secondary to her anemia, with her tiredness,
with her headaches, with her nervousness, with her depressed cases, and so
on. And also platelets that, although we do not consider a series because
they are cellular fragments. But also platelets can either by low or by excess,
also generate a pathology granules. There may also be the famous emiavera policy
which is the excess of red dobules and which will also give, as a
series of problems. It is an exciting and complex subject. In fact,
it' s a medical specialty to treat the blood shafts, because doctors say
first- line, which is where we' re exercising, because we'
re going to treat the frequent and the ones that are can be treated on
an outpatient basis, but there are others that aren' t. Others.
The patient must be referred to ultra- specialised hospital services, for better diagnosis,
for optimal caramba treatment. How many things, how much complexity, how
much prourity. But real is that we see them there from the part the
amazement of this part of the human being or this organic part, in what
has told us of other rock tissues, liquids in this case like the blood
component and some of the most frequent pathologies that there is, evidently, the
hematology and other special ones are dedicated to dealing with all these issues. But
speaking here, there is the paradox, the great Paradoxala, the blood of
Jesus, of Jesus, of Nazareth, of Jesus Christ, the son of
God, the God who became man, the blood of Jesus, who was
shed on the Cross in thirst for blood to the last drop of his blood.
Morphologically, it was blood just like ours. But there is a special
virtue in that blood, as an extraordinary power. In that blood you can
also talk to us as a theologian about this, which is also one of
your conditions. Theologian and pastor, well notice, there is a mystery,
not a mystery something we can only know if God reveals it. Science does
not reach even human understanding there. And that mystery is to try, to
understand, to try, because we cannot understand it that a person is completely
man and completely God and, at the same time, that he can exercise
in these two roles. We know that Christ has these properties. This is
all coming from a very old age. We have to go back to the
Book of Genesis, several thousand years ago, when God creates the human being
and puts him in an idyllic condition and then that man whom he calls Adam
to give his own name, but he is also the name of the species.
In a sense, we are all Adam, because we are all descendants
of the first man. That first man commits disobedience. We do not know
how long he was living in right order with God. It is possible that
he lived many, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds of years. We don'
t have an idea. Nor does the Bible explain us. But, well,
there comes a time when man disobeys and then, from that moment on,
man fails. God has given him, he had given him some responsibilities,
because God is sovereign, but man is responsible. And then the man
fails. And, well, it' s all coming, the whole plan
is coming apart. God had a project for Adam and for the species that
we are, which we derived from the first man. But that project comes
down at the very moment when man sins God surde was a second plan,
plan b a plan of urgency, if we can say so, so it
is the salvation of his creation, of his creature, of his adan and
what is necessary to be able to satisfy the justice of God, because God
is love, that tells us to turn away the Book of Gras and,
in a very special way, the Apostle John and his first Letter. But
it is also true that God is justice and God cannot live with sin,
with man' s disobedience. So how' s that gonna work out?
Okay. The only way to solve that is by eliminating man. Okay,
but if he eliminates man, the creation is over. So, God has
to incarnate. Jesus Christ incarnates in a man, in a perfect man,
the man without blemish, the name without sin, and he gives his life
for you, for me and for each one of us who have trusted and
believe in that salvation, by the blood of Christ shed by the Cross of
Calvary. He took my place, He took your place. And then it
' s life in the blood itself. As you said quite rightly, life
is taken away. Already this is already prophesied also in the book of the
prophet Daniel that he should be killed by pestilence and in a lot of places
in Isaiah, in the Psalms. We see that this is something that was
already prophesied hundreds of years before it happened. And now we look back and
hundreds of years ago it happened. But all the sacrifices that the people of
Israel made for hundreds of years, sacrificing cows, oxen, sheep, stick,
dumber, etcetera, were symbols of the precious blood of Christ, which
is the only blood that really satisfies God' s righteousness. And, well,
that' s already happened and it' s not magic. The magic
thing people know about, either think about Harry Potter, or think about the
Crystal ball. This isn' t magic. It' s God' s
justice. The righteousness of God is ready to be satisfied, because Christ shed
His blood Calvary, being perfect, being righteous for sinners of whom, as
Paul says, good says he is the first. I' m gonna let
him exercise. I' ll take the second one. Psychics, but we
are all sinners and we all have to embrace ourselves if we want to continue
to live in harmony with God, this precious blood of Christ, because by
being washed, being washed in that blood, we are regenerated. God creates
in every believer the new heart and you know the, for example, King
Nabucodus not sun in chapter four of Daniel, who at the end of that
chapter, he recognizes God after a period of madness and a period of mental
alienation, and finally ends up recognizing God, and God puts in him,
says the scripture a heart of flesh, a sensitive heart, which is the
Holy Spirit, of the Holy Spirit that dies and each of the believers And
what makes us alive because we are sanctified by this blood of Christ, we
are saved and we have assurance notice. This is very strong. He'
s not up to me. If it were up to me, there would
be no chance. I' m sure. It depends on God and his
promise. He promises eternal life to all those who are in Christ, to
all those who have done again by faith in the work of Jesus. Well,
a perfect explanation and what a paradox one thing with the other. He
who committed no sin, as the scripture says for us, became sin so
that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. This, of
course, has a theological depth as well, but it is true. What
a great mystery that, through the virtue in the blood of Jesus, cleanses
the soul and forgives sins. This is something extraordinary and we experience it modestly.
How many years already, eh and what joy. And I tell you
that you and I are from the same fifth, as if it were before
yesterday, as if it were before yesterday, uh, yes, I feel
dear Julio, we have been following the Lord without interruption for forty and many
years. This is one if you' ll allow me to be proud of
something. I am proud of this, not that I am a good person
but that God is faithful to me every day and that every day God has
some lesson to teach me. You say well, forty- something years old,
no more you used to, for look not yet. No. The
Holy Spirit continues to work in my life and continues to seek my dependence on
him as well as on you I say, friend who listens to me,
God asks for your dependence on him, Not that we are pimps, that
we are intelligent, that we are skilled, that we are rich, that
we are powerful, because the only wise, intelligent and powerful is God.
In others, vanity of vanities, as Solomon said, all vanity and our
days are numbered and who can add, as Christ says, one day,
one hour. I was like a doctor, just a minute. When God
calls look, we can' t do anything but go. There' s
no alternative. And God is the one who holds the key to life and
death, and he tells us to choose life, to choose me April will
be, will be given in abundance and many people ignore him and by ignoring
him or mission erect death. It is regrettable, dear July, that,
having the possibility of having a harmonious life with God, as it was in
the beginning, people choose to turn away from God, to live in variety
from a position of highness and to miss the great measurements in this life and,
more importantly, in the other. So that and good, then,
that the truth that we were so happy and satisfied to hear these words that
surely make many people reflect, besides learning a little bit more about blood and
its genius in human creation, but also on the part of the eternal,
of God, eternal, but also the some pathologies, but also the virtual
power of blood, of virtual Jesus in the sense of powerful virtue, not
of a thing that is an unreal reflection of things, much less. Dear
friend, I send you a very affectionate hug and we speak to God shortly
through a good one, for it is a very strong hug and also happy
the whole blessing audience this July. Thank you, mate, so long.
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