WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:21.079 Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the 2 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:27.719 train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I 3 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:33.039 want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world, 4 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:38.439 a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace 5 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:45.759 and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope. 6 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:54.119 This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and as so 7 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:58.719 many seekers of truth, of the only truth that can make us authentic, 8 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:07.120 the free mind see you. I invite you to travel with us on the 9 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:15.040 safest train of all, which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This 10 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:55.120 is the train of life. Or good morning, Spain, bon day, 11 00:01:55.359 --> 00:02:01.200 friends and friends, from this corner of the Iberian solar, from this wonderful 12 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:06.840 place Barcelona, for all friends traveling on the train of life, we will 13 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:12.120 travel again. Join me in this train of life an experience like life itself. 14 00:02:12.599 --> 00:03:23.319 Let' s go, gentlemen and gentlemen, well found in this little 15 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.439 spring morning. And now it is, now it is, that it is 16 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:30.080 spring. It' s not a mirage anymore, it' s a reality. 17 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.919 Spring blood alters well, but at least we' re excited because we 18 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.599 ' re closer to summer. In any case, after this very long bridge 19 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:46.680 of Easter holidays, we go back to ours again. We continue with the 20 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:52.840 questions of today and yesterday and also some of tomorrow, also because not here 21 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.800 we talk a little bit about everything, as we say in Catalonia, a 22 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.199 mica top parle in a mica de a tod and we talk today with people 23 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:04.120 of good, people who tell us life, tells us life from an angle. 24 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:09.479 There is a blind angle in the human being, which is spirituality. 25 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.560 I say it is the self, blind to that of many, not of 26 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:19.199 all, thank God. And spirituality is a true, not the spiritualism there 27 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:25.600 is, which is an idiomatic or semantic section, but spirituality is a true, 28 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:31.000 a connection with divinity. Well, here we talk in many ways and 29 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:35.360 today we have a guest, a friend also of this train that in a 30 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:40.879 short time has been made as very dear to us, since we have known 31 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:46.680 just over a year and is oriol Jara. Orion Jara is a radio and 32 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:53.399 television screenwriter. He is a man who has been working in the media for 33 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:58.079 years and also writes his book. Surprisingly, he wrote from his personal experience, 34 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:02.240 his first book of de o para creuran deu which is ten reasons to 35 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:10.000 believe in God, and I say to you he has created wrath on this 36 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:14.040 book because it has aroused the interest of many and many means, including ours. 37 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:20.800 But he has written a second book and it is conversation with God and 38 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:25.800 it is original. And this always strikes us that someone, from their experience 39 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:31.360 and personal experience, tells us things, tells us life in key. Different 40 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.439 in this case in some respects. Well, then, we' ll talk 41 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:40.240 to oriol Jara in a little while here, on this traveling train here in 42 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:48.360 the master car of the train of life and then he' ll be with 43 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:56.600 us also via zoom, also our good friend, the lawyer and also pro 44 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:01.800 - director of the biblical groups of graduates, who is Jaumallenas, a man 45 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:04.600 also with a very brilliant mind. We' ll talk about today, a 46 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.920 little bit clear. We' re talking about today' s scraps. We 47 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:14.000 don' t get into the loaf of today, because that' s what 48 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:18.600 others are for. Eh is not our priority instinct either, but we do 49 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:25.240 tell some things of general interest that concern us all. No and there we 50 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:29.879 have a good chat, as it is already or Malleras, that will be 51 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:36.439 telling us of the present from another look, here on the train of life, 52 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:41.600 And how we will not have our friend, Doctor Roca, Doctor Modesto 53 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:46.199 Rocca Bernabeu man is very multifaceted, apart from that they already know him. 54 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:51.000 It is only when he speaks that the soul is heard, not only the 55 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:57.120 voice. We' ll talk about the different pathologies of human blood, some 56 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.720 of them. There are problems in the blood sometimes in the worst cases, 57 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:06.480 and also how to take care of our blood with the subject of lipids and 58 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.959 some issues that we sometimes do not take very much into account. He' 59 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:12.319 s gonna talk to us about the lotus. The Rocca is the doctor who 60 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.720 listens to all the passengers of the train of life and who sees us if 61 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.959 we are right, bad or regular. But it also has that touch always 62 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:27.759 that morale of questions of life, of faith of spirituality, because, besides 63 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.959 being a good doctor, he is also a professor at the University of Doctors. 64 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:38.240 But as a man so multifaceted, he is also an evangelical pastor. 65 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.680 I mean, it' s funny not and he can talk to us about 66 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.439 things that are going to arouse our interest. But above all the blood, 67 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:50.439 the Bible, that the Bible is the word of God. It says something 68 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:56.319 very interesting, that the life of man, the life of the flesh of 69 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:01.120 man, in blood is true. If we didn' t have blood, 70 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.360 we' d be lost, we couldn' t have life. What is 71 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.240 more complex is human blood. Well, then, Dr Roca is going to 72 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:15.240 update us a little bit about the care of our blood and the possible problems 73 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:20.680 we might have and alert us a little bit to the case, well, 74 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.839 nothing more and nothing less. I think we' re going to have a 75 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.360 good journey, a good trip, a good company with these three swordsmen of 76 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:37.639 the word oriol jara yaumallenas and the modest doctor Roca don' t miss it. 77 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.679 We' ll be right there, I' ll leave you with a 78 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:46.200 musical proposal and we' ll keep talking. You can send your message through 79 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:50.679 our Facebook. Through our Facebook, entering in three months double point the train 80 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.600 of life, point is the train of life, point is remember that in 81 00:08:54.799 --> 00:09:01.799 this way you collaborate with us tell us cough without pressure ask us and participate 82 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:11.000 actively. 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He is oriol Jara, as Orion told them He 109 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.919 is a man who has worked hard and still works in the radio media. 110 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.480 He is a producer of radio, television, programmes such as Buena Fuente and 111 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.639 well- known programmes in Catalonia. He also knows what goes into this, 112 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.440 no, but beyond that, he has lived in recent years a very intimate 113 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:56.159 spiritual experience that has been very determining in his life for what he has been 114 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:00.600 telling us and has been writing. But beyond what is written, when I 115 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.559 hear him speak of the abundance of the heart, open their mouths, they 116 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:09.159 ' ll notice in a minute. Then he has written this second book, 117 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:15.240 Conversation with God, which is has a peculiar style and that always in a 118 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:20.519 writer attracts attention when there are writers who tell what almost everyone counts, but 119 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.039 when he has a singularity that and also does well, that is very striking. 120 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:30.840 That' s why I' m going to recommend this book Conversation with 121 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.039 God as an armed publisher, which is available to everyone in any bookstore and 122 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.600 on Amazon, of course. Well, well, very welcome, Dear Oriola, 123 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.759 friend Oriol, jara today I apologize for the cough very thank you. 124 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.200 Thank you for deciding for the second time, or that the first time wasn 125 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.000 ' t so bad. Man, it' s an honor to me. 126 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.480 The truth will be here. Thank you, man, and for me too 127 00:15:52.559 --> 00:16:00.279 I am very pleased because I don' t know maybe it' s because 128 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:04.200 it' s something that I feel very concerned about when someone talks not only 129 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.200 about something that he knows or knows or theorizes, but when he speaks his 130 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.840 heart more than his words. And honestly it' s your case, not 131 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.519 yes, yes, well, I really appreciate it, ever since we first 132 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:21.039 talked about this whole writing process, of books, of lectures and such for 133 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:29.679 me it' s more of a supernatural work of the spirit and of God 134 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:36.320 than my personal one in the strict sense, and I' ve been writing 135 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:40.919 for many years for television, books, radio, whatever, and the process 136 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:45.919 is different. Now things happen in a way in which it is not in 137 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:52.360 control so much in my talent, but in something that sometimes overwhelms me, 138 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:59.519 you said, the peculiar style of writing and such in the end, when 139 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:08.480 I reread the books these last two, I see little reflected. There are 140 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.680 constructions, there are phrases, there are things that I explain and that are 141 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.599 written and that do not seem mine, which is bordering on the supernatural, 142 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.599 but to me it is clearly a work of God that I feel very happy 143 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:30.319 that I have decided to catch a person as undeserving as I am and to 144 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.319 use myself in this sense to convey a message that good that thanks to God, 145 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:38.759 seems to be coming. And it all begins the previous book, which 146 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:44.599 is DEU Rouns para creuran, DEU in Catalan in Spanish, is also published 147 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.480 ten reasons to believe in God that that first book I remember well, Marias, 148 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:52.519 I issue I remember that one day was a weekend, I heard you 149 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.839 in racuno and the merchant and then, from there and then in other stations, 150 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.160 in other media, the other, the other day, with this last 151 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:04.799 in laser and of course, you are a man of the media and obviously, 152 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.440 that has made it possible. But when I listened to your experiences, 153 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.960 how is produced something that will surely tell us through your own you pour it 154 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:22.200 also here in conversation with God. But it is unusual for a person because 155 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.799 I tell you what my experience with God has been and I share with you 156 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.119 the gospel of Jesus, which is the good news of Jesus, which continues 157 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:37.000 to prevail throughout time and is powerful for human life. And you might say 158 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:41.440 caramba, because this I feel has also attracted to that, but in your 159 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:48.960 case, you start investigating on your own. The restlessness in you wakes up, 160 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:55.359 let' s call it spiritual, you start digging through the Bible and 161 00:18:55.359 --> 00:19:00.000 you discover. It' s unusual for some to do this. There are 162 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:08.920 even signs of historical men as well as Juan Sebastián Bacg or Newton. They 163 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:14.119 were also searchers through the Bible on their own and had an encounter with God. 164 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:22.119 But from there you discover a new world, an experience. It' 165 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:25.400 s something like that I' m going to say, and as it is, 166 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.440 and besides, it makes a lot of sense, because for those who 167 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.160 don' t know and I count it in the first book, but basically 168 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:38.920 I feel an impulse. Let' s say inspired, not literally driven, 169 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:45.359 blown by God in search of who God is. It is something that has 170 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.759 humanly happened always said Chesterton, a thing that is very funny, that said 171 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.759 when you do not believe in Christ you believe in anything. The idea of 172 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:57.200 humanity is that they have believed, we have believed as humans in anything ever 173 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:03.319 since. There are no great civilizations, ancient atheists. There is no such 174 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:08.519 thing because all people are born with this eternal transcendent impulse and we know that 175 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:15.079 it is God and that is why all civilizations have had gods. I tried 176 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:22.759 to search without any previous playing ground, without any family influence, that they 177 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.720 were not believers, without any influence of my surroundings, of my school, 178 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:37.759 that was public with total freedom. Let' s say intellectually. I tried 179 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.000 to know if God existed. Yeah, yeah that When I read, when 180 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:47.480 I read and heard you tell that I said it' s not usual for 181 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:52.680 you to say that I want to inquire about nothing more and nothing less than 182 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:53.160 God, who God is, where he is like this. This is true. 183 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:56.720 Or it' s a magic legend. Yeah, well, especially because 184 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:03.200 there' s one thing I think we should remember, which is that it 185 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:08.359 ' s the most important question in the cosmos, because if God exists, 186 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:15.039 he' s the most important being in the cosmos, so it was an 187 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.480 irresponsible attitude for me not to look for him, because it' s very 188 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:23.799 important. And then I started looking for him and I met one more deeply 189 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:33.799 than another. But what we know as religions from abbreviated books of the Indian 190 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:42.400 Majabarata, the Vagabat Gita, which is about Chrisna fundamentally Islam, that is, 191 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:49.079 with intellectual freedom. I insist I sought, who God was and how 192 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:56.119 mankind had revealed itself and suddenly I discovered all of a sudden over the years, 193 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.079 many years. But I discovered one thing that is fascinating and that I 194 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:06.440 am not tired of repeating it to all Christians and non- Christians, and 195 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:15.000 that is that there are many religions in the world and they all share a 196 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.039 structure just as it is the following. We, as people, know that 197 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:22.480 God is most holy, magnificent, unattainable, living in a sphere that is 198 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:29.200 not ours, and we all know, in any religion of the world, 199 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:36.440 that we must do a number of things to reach God. Some religious traditions 200 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:37.680 say don' t you see you eat this? Shouldn' t you eat 201 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.759 that? Another one you must bathe in this river. You must pray these 202 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:49.680 prayers every day, you must do magic exercises. All this because we want 203 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:56.880 to reach God. Christianity is not a religion, because Christianity is God coming 204 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:04.960 down to our encounter and rescuing us, because it knows that we are incapable. 205 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:11.839 Religion is usually cause frustration, because not because we are evil, we 206 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:17.559 are sinners. And always that effort to never eat fish, because God doesn 207 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.640 ' t want it. And those religious efforts never come to what God expects 208 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:26.000 of me. Christianity, on the other hand, is God, the God 209 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:32.839 of truth, the authentic God, becoming man, coming down for pure love 210 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:37.599 to rescue us to even rescue people as bad as me, that is, 211 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:42.240 people who have lived lives that logically do not deserve God to look at us. 212 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:48.759 But, instead, in a mysterious dynamic, for us, he out 213 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:53.720 of pure low love becomes, man, pays our price rescues us. It 214 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:57.880 is essential to understand that we are not talking about the fact that there are 215 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:00.319 many religions in the world and one of them is Christianity. I, having 216 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:07.079 spent years reading about religions, discovered for my personal impact that Christianity is not 217 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:14.279 the same as Christianity is something that no religion ever poses that it is God 218 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:22.319 becoming a person for love, is that you would hallucinate about how unusual this 219 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.440 is in the history of religions and, therefore, that was like an outrage, 220 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:30.960 such a beast thing in my life that I clearly saw that something real 221 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:40.200 was happening, that something different, authentic, exciting, full of love was 222 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:44.559 happening with the figure of Christ and with God. From there, the way 223 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:52.319 was to grow, to learn, until he decided to become perfectly clear and 224 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.480 visible to me that it is an operation that he does when he wants and 225 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.880 through the spirit. But the whole way has been beautiful and I have no 226 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:06.039 choice but to tell, because I think it' s important. It' 227 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:10.160 s clear. I tell it in a way that neither I could explain the 228 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:18.799 best honestly and I thank you, because there are so many seekers some are 229 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.839 the seekers who do not want to give or make noise, but that is 230 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:27.319 inside there is a restlessness where God is, if he is somewhere. Either 231 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:32.839 God is not, nor is he in our imagination, or must be eradicated 232 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.920 from the social imaginary, because it is a hindrance also for some in the 233 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:40.960 Jewish Christian culture. It is guilty, they say, and it is good 234 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.559 all that discourse that is anti- God, because you do not know God. 235 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.480 If they knew him, they wouldn' t think so. But because 236 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.319 if this were a challenge there, the bony nun wouldn' t waste my 237 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:56.079 time afterwards, with all my training and my art, I would dedicate myself 238 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.000 to planting melons or something else. But it' s not what you said. 239 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:06.000 If God does not exist, we are lost and it is a tragy, 240 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.960 and good to talk about something nonexistent and less of a supposed God. 241 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:15.039 But if God exists and has revealed Himself, attention must be paid to the 242 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.039 subject. EH,' cause he' s not the neighbor upstairs. Hey, 243 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.960 it' s more than that. Yes, then, God is our 244 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:26.799 creator. Moreover, God is our redeemer in this case. I mean, 245 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:33.759 for the second time we need God that we' re lost. And of 246 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.480 course, you explained it by saying I realized that there was one thing you 247 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.000 said that is not very popular, that we are sinners as well, of 248 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:44.079 course we cannot. I' ve tried to change the word to say look. 249 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.839 We are at fault with God. We have failed God And it is 250 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.160 true that I can do it in a more, more cheesy way or more 251 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.480 for today' s listener. We have not sinned. Yes, and we 252 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:59.640 must recognize it. Yes, I speak first person and always preach to me 253 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.559 first. I mean, I' m not going to give it to anyone, 254 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.799 but I preach to myself and if and then to the rest of the 255 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.960 people, I don' t go on a platform to tell people, to 256 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:17.839 hit them with the Bible, but to preach about what I know about me 257 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.960 and I know who I was. I mean, I understand that there are 258 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.960 words that today, but well, it' s another topic, the topic 259 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:30.880 of hiding certain words. But I was a grave sinner and at that time, 260 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:40.200 at a time when there was not yet repentance, Jesus came. This 261 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.960 is very important also for people and especially young people. Jesus does not come 262 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:49.680 when you are ready and clean. Jesus comes at the worst moment to rescue 263 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.200 you. That is what the Gospel teaches us, which eats with prostitutes and 264 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:57.799 tax collectors, not when they have already been purified, but when they are 265 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:02.759 at the worst moment Jesus does not become frightened. Sometimes there are people who 266 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:07.559 think how Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, but what I have 267 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.720 done does not tolerate it. He' s like a guy not a man, 268 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:18.400 not what you want him to go and together you' ll regret and 269 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:19.480 grow up and save you, but he' s not afraid of what you 270 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.359 ' ve done. It is a very diabolical strategy, the fact of turning 271 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:29.519 away believers because they think they have gone too far. Instead of running at 272 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.640 Jesus' feet and saving himself. I explain myself, that is, to 273 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:41.119 recover his communion and always the devil works in that sphere. A lot of 274 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.720 people will be recognizing him. What I' m saying, the sphere is 275 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.680 one of I' ve failed Jesus and I don' t even dare go 276 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:56.319 to worship. I explain to myself why I am ashamed and tremendous, because 277 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:02.400 this is very painful and causes many people to suffer greatly when Jesus precisely gathers 278 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:07.160 people at the worst moment and works in them for good. I have lived 279 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.440 it in the first person and I think this is important, which is also 280 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:18.519 a message of trust and not to be fooled many times by these lies. 281 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.759 There is one very very thing in the Gospel has millions of beautiful things. 282 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:29.200 There is one concretely that is closely linked to this. When Jesus presents himself 283 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:37.480 to the apostles after death, after the resurrection, and to show them or 284 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:45.400 to teach them that he is him, he teaches them the wounds. Wounds 285 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:49.799 are proof that he' s him and that' s exactly what he is 286 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.400 in our lives. My wounds are proof that I am, who I am, 287 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.880 and how God has operated on those wounds is proof of IL. No, 288 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.799 that road is super pretty. Let' s not panic. On the 289 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.359 contrary, with all humility, we go to Jesus' feet and say there 290 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:12.960 is a proverb that says the righteous falls seven times and seven rises. Eye, 291 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:18.759 the right one, the right one top, the right one falls seven 292 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:25.519 times. I explain yes, it' s interesting, because that speaks of 293 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:33.039 our humanity. Of course, because the religious interpretation you populi has made us 294 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.599 think that to get close to God we have to be almost perfect. No, 295 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.400 no, because we are imperfect, incapable, and in the worst of 296 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:48.079 me I remember my experience at the eighteenth atrocious fatal years. In my case, 297 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:51.960 I don' t know everyone in your world. God comes to your 298 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:59.160 world. Whoever you are. But Jesus comes and loves me clearly and loves 299 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.119 me and does not condemn me, but he persuades me and tells me I 300 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:08.240 want another life for you, a much better life. I want to cleanse 301 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:14.279 your soul, your conscience, your being and that' s what you come 302 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:19.960 to explain. I wasn' t thinking about the famous showsen that reveals us 303 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.640 to one more Jesus with a human face. No, with more human face. 304 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.599 No. The only thing maybe a little overreacted is the backpack. Not 305 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:32.039 that it' s too much, it' s too much today' s 306 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:36.759 backpack. But it' s okay, because it makes an account of what 307 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.720 the world of normal men could do, because there' s a mystic sometimes 308 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.559 clear. It must be interpreted that the Gospels are written in the key of 309 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.519 synthesis and the language of the time in the Greek c plus popular coine that 310 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.960 there was then, which is another way of understanding. But and sometimes you 311 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.079 see a Christ and a mystical environment that you say this is almost unattainable. 312 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.839 But not there, in showssen we are not told the humanity of all those 313 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:08.200 who surrounded Jesus, who were a mere era, were firecrackers. Most of 314 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:13.359 it is, yes, like us, it' s beautiful, it' 315 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.559 s very nice, this is very important. Then, humanity 100 per cent 316 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:24.400 lives, in the body and in human life. The first miracle, the 317 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:30.200 first sign John says of John' s Gospel is to convert water into wine. 318 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.680 Yes, there is more human, more physical than a miracle, which 319 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.920 is to turn insibity water into wine than to give and look good. Besides, 320 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.039 he sent the very good wine, which is intolerable. That time is 321 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.400 buevo, which was much better than anyone they' d ever tasted. That 322 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:52.440 tells us about one thing that spirituality. I don' t know what you 323 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:58.200 called him any other way, but this spirituality that we understand today as good 324 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.279 is that I don' t believe in God, but I believe in the 325 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.559 energy of I don' t know how good. Spirituality, philosophy, grega, 326 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:08.319 etcetera. They did not understand that God has made us body and soul. 327 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:14.079 They did not understand that the body is valid, that the body is 328 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:19.119 us as well. And Jesus comes to preach that precisely that it is something 329 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:23.720 revolutionary, one more thing, one thing that no ancient religion could understand when 330 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:30.440 Paul goes to preach Christ, Greece, Athens. What Athenian philosophers do not 331 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:36.200 conceive is when Paul says that there is a resurrection of the body, because 332 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:37.599 for them you are imputed, it is absurd. The soul is good, 333 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.599 but the body is bad, and Jesus comes to tell us that the body 334 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:45.119 is not bad, that the body is part of what we are. These 335 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:50.680 little ones, these little details of Jesus’ preaching. To me they are 336 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:58.640 so obvious traces of a divine theological truth that is opposed to everything we understand 337 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:02.160 as tuality religions that is mind- blowing. And once again, today we 338 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:12.280 are seeing how it grows and how it expands a kind of neo- paganism 339 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:19.480 in which many people are deceived by magic tricks, with toa- hundred spiritualitys, 340 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.880 with things that in the end are not a link with God. Done, 341 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:30.079 man who saves us but with magic formulas that in the end are frustrating 342 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.360 and that in the end have a weight also in the supernatural world, which 343 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.760 is another one for another book, but that is also important is that we 344 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.000 have to be alert as a Christian, that you will already be turning the 345 00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.639 next one is sure that if you no longer have it, you already have 346 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:51.000 the bozo. I can imagine it you hear in this book conversation, this 347 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.360 second book conversation with God, you have to read the first one, which 348 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:59.840 is very interesting, also ten reasons to believe in God as an alvada publisher. 349 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:06.719 This book is extended by Antony Puchberg, who Antony Puisberg is one of 350 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:13.000 the most illustrious journalists in the vanguard. I read your articles weekly. Between 351 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:20.440 me I read five six presses daily and hear it expounds, eh I say 352 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.119 it' s very generous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. 353 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:27.880 No, man, I interpret that he has at least one culturally, 354 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.079 has an approach to the Christian faith or a connection. No, because I 355 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:36.880 totally didn' t know her, because her articles are chronic, as a 356 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.840 partner, political partner and social critic. But very brilliant, by the way, 357 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:46.079 in this and it expands and creates an awakening, an interest in reading. 358 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.400 It is the book when he has read the manuscript and recommends it. 359 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:54.679 That' s why I say that those who know Anthony Puchberg, I say 360 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:58.679 that he is credible, because he is a man I admire for his way 361 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:02.480 of writing. So here you start talking about a conversation I don' t 362 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:07.280 deserve. God tells you about yourself. Does God tell you about history? 363 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.840 God speaks to you of the present world, God speaks to you of the 364 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.360 worldly power, God speaks to you of the law, God speaks to you 365 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.960 of himself. Well, it' s true, they' re one of 366 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:22.519 those variables, yes, but that' s kind of polyhedric. God has 367 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.679 many bodies. Well, God is one, but he means but when we 368 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.679 see this, God tells you about yourself. How' s that good, 369 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.519 basically because the book is a good one. In the first book ten reasons 370 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:44.239 to believe in God I tell those things that have prompted my conversion. Apart 371 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:50.599 from the supernatural part, apart from the spirit that that culmination, there are 372 00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:55.880 things that are ten reasons, specifically, including the historicity of Jesus or the 373 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:05.079 Bible, the scientific reasons that involve being a Christian in society, in the 374 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.000 family, things that change your life. In this second book I speak of 375 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:17.360 the Bible and the utmost importance of the Bible read today because it speaks of 376 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:27.039 the present society, speaks of our problems and gives important warnings about how we 377 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.440 are and what can happen in our lives if we do not have God in 378 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:36.559 the center, not as the first chapter of ageo, which is as if 379 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:40.559 I do not have God in the center as and I am hungry and I 380 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:44.599 drink and I am thirsty the clothes do not warm me and the money of 381 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.199 salary falls in sack. That says geo about what it' s like to 382 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.639 live without God. Then the Bible is speaking of us and it speaks of 383 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.079 the king, of the kings, of the politicians of Tiktok. Or I 384 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:59.079 joke that God speaks of Tiktok, because there is a chapter, of the 385 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:04.280 third chapter of Isaiah that speaks as if you turn away from God if you 386 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.199 decide to believe in other things and you have not God in the center, 387 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.119 I will take away the elders and the wise and rule you, you will 388 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:13.960 be led by presumptuous young men. What we' re living today, a 389 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:21.599 society influenced by influencers who are kids. So, when I saw that the 390 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:27.000 Bible, based on reading it to you, is talking urgently about your life, 391 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.480 about your world, about your culture, I thought well, because you 392 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.719 will have to make a book, at least summarizing, explaining some things that 393 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:40.199 people when it. For me this book, my goal is to be an 394 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:45.760 introduction to the Bible, for people to receive this read it and think about 395 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.800 why I am not reading the Bible every day, what I am doing when 396 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.119 it is the most important book in the history of mankind, because it is 397 00:38:54.159 --> 00:39:00.920 a book inspired by God and for people who do not know, have facts, 398 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:07.840 have details, have coherences that make it an impossible book written by the 399 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:12.719 human hand, by the hand of a person. It is impossible, for 400 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:19.000 example, a detail that people think will arouse interest. The Bible, which 401 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.920 is written by forty authors or more than forty authors for 1, 500 years, 402 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:30.960 has more than six sixty- three thousand cross- references, that is, 403 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.840 there are sixty- three thousand times more nearly sixty- four zero times 404 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:40.920 in which one chapter, one verse, speaks of another, refers to another. 405 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.559 This in a book is impossible to happen so many times. It can 406 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:52.360 only happen if there is only one author and this author is God. Then 407 00:39:52.679 --> 00:40:00.559 the Bible is something and besides, the Bible has one very important thing and 408 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.039 it is one thing that is very fundamental today. The bile is the truth 409 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.559 and the battle that is being fought today is not the battle for the truth. 410 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:19.159 The first time the Devil or the prince of demons or Satan takes his 411 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:25.960 head out in the Bible, the first time he does it is to deceive 412 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:32.719 Eve to confuse her. It tells him this that you assume as true. 413 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:38.760 It' s not true. Careful. The first time Satan appears is to 414 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.360 confuse people about what the truth is. Eve, God, she told you 415 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.920 something, but I' m gonna mess you up, I' m gonna 416 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.280 make her distrust. The truth is the phrase that Pontius Pilate says to Jesus, 417 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.079 which is wonderful, because it is very current. Tell you what the 418 00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.199 truth is? What' s the truth? What they say today, what 419 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.840 is the truth? It' s not a truth. It depends on what 420 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:07.480 you think. It is not the same with Satan, with Jesus in the 421 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.880 desert. Le Lía quotes him from the Bible, but misquoted to see if 422 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:17.239 he deceives him, then we are living a battle look how beautiful when Satan 423 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.000 appears in the Bible, he does not appear with armies and fire appears with 424 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.719 lies. That' s the battle. That' s what he' s 425 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.800 eating in the head. People, as well as many Christians, are sometimes 426 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.599 confused, but, as I always say, the Bible is an anchor. 427 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.800 The Bible is there and many people find me sometimes very funny, because it 428 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.480 tells me how I read, the Bible gives me peace, it gives me 429 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.440 serenity. And I think how it doesn' t put me on the ropes. 430 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.239 Many times I get uncomfortable many times when I read the Bible, because 431 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:57.159 I think I' m not at that point. This thing he says doesn 432 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.920 ' t fit me with what society tells me, but it' s true 433 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.639 what you say. And one more detail to talk about this subject in jeremiah, 434 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:10.679 jeremiah, speaking God by the mouth of jeremiah, talking to the Israelite 435 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:16.480 people in Jerusalem and telling them you have turned away from the word, you 436 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.320 have questioned the word of God and you have begun to do what the societies 437 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:29.000 around you do, because it seems to you that it is very fanatical not 438 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.360 to follow what everyone does. When he speaks of this jeremiah, he refers 439 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:39.360 specifically to the Jews having reburned children as sacrifices to God, because everyone did. 440 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.079 They turned away from the word, and the moment they departed, they 441 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.400 began to do what everyone did. In that case it was to burn children. 442 00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.679 But today' s happening too. When we turn away from the word 443 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:59.440 and consider that following the Bible is fanatical, we begin to do what everyone 444 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:04.440 does and that clearly separates us from a very beautiful truth that we have in 445 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:09.480 our hands. So I think you' re just asking God to make this 446 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:15.840 book conversation with God, I' m only asking the Lord, if he 447 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:20.840 wants, to be an incentive for people to decide as good. I' 448 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.679 m going to follow a Bible reading plan every day a little bit and see 449 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.719 if in two years, three years, I' ll read it all and 450 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.000 start again. Only that happens in one person. I' m going to 451 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:37.199 give glory to God. I' m going to be very happy because I 452 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:42.679 think it' s super important that we go back to this to the Bible 453 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:52.760 He hears that I think about what catches my attention I don' t know 454 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:58.280 if about three years ago you had this experience of meeting Jesus, the word 455 00:43:58.360 --> 00:43:59.599 and the lucidity that God has given you for this is that this, this 456 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.800 is something. This is not a normal thing, this is something and I 457 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.880 know who happens to something in cases that happens to someone who has had to 458 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:15.840 have a genuine experience with God, that transformational that makes you give you another 459 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.159 worldview of life. Yes, I saw it and I like it very much 460 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:27.079 because the book your book conversation with God, they have it within their reach 461 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:32.400 in any bookshop in masonry. Of course. Editorial alvada and the previous book 462 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:37.400 very interesting. Ten reasons to believe in God in Spanish, in Catalan by 463 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:45.280 urragons par creuran DEU and the Bible. I am a member of the Board 464 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:52.559 of Directors of the Bible Society of Spain and I always learned to love this 465 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:57.480 book The Bible as the Book of God. And when I see the history 466 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.559 of the Bible, everything that happens in life, what the Bible does to 467 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.199 people, because we are the Bible is the first missionary in the world. 468 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.760 Then the Bible partner is dedicated, for example, to countries where the Bible 469 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:15.440 cannot reach and we finance it to arrive for free so that because it is 470 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:22.280 the most powerful missionary there is. And it is true that this book the 471 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:23.519 Bible. And here in this book, from what you say, you explain 472 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:29.119 it in your book, No one can explain it to God. It is 473 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.480 impossible for God to be self- revealed. The Bible is God' s 474 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:38.400 revelation author, because God is inexplicably humanly speaking, evidently, and this is 475 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:43.559 it. In addition, there is another thing that a good friend of mine, 476 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:45.960 who has been the Director General of Biblical Socidad, Josés goes to see 477 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.719 Catalan de pro Pero who lives in Madrid, Well, I don' t 478 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:55.360 say it as he gave it, but who lives in Madrid, then says 479 00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.000 the Bible is a book that has many peculiarities. One of them is that 480 00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:02.559 it' s a book that reads to you yes, yes, I like 481 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:09.320 it exactly. It' s a book that reads to you completely and interacts 482 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:15.599 with you. Not magically. No. It' s not a spiritism thing. 483 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:20.360 It is simply written from eternity. It is not the concept that God 484 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.039 is not in time is out of time and it is written also for you 485 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:30.320 and also for your time and, therefore, is talking to you and your 486 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.920 circumstances, so that he reveals you is not self- help. It' 487 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.039 s not like the Bible tells you phrases to help you. No. No, 488 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:44.480 the Bible reveals you to God at every moment of your life and that 489 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.519 is the fundamental thing. The Bible is a revelation from God. That' 490 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:52.480 s important. Man, of course it' s all about knowing who God 491 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:57.159 is. It is what gives you life and allows you to understand the work 492 00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:07.920 of Jesus. There is a self I always try to explain the if I 493 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.159 can the Gospel by giving it the context of the Old Testament and Jewish culture, 494 00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.519 for because many times there are things that happen in the Gospel that, 495 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.760 if you don' t know the context, you simply hallucinate with Jesus. 496 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.800 But you sometimes miss a little greatness. For example, I will give an 497 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:31.960 example that now that it is beautiful and in the Leviticus God reveals himself and 498 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:40.639 pretends that people understand how holy it is. He makes the effort that we 499 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:47.639 clearly understand that God is most holy, that God is most great, that 500 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:52.360 God is one thing that is not within our reach. These foundations are very 501 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:57.000 important to understand later his work as Jesus with his coming in his son. 502 00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:05.079 There is a moment in chapter fifteen in which those women who have menstruation cannot 503 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:13.719 approach the temple or the tabernacle, for God is most holy. Those women 504 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.360 who have menstruation should be out of being unable to approach during the days of 505 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:23.440 menstruation, then purify themselves and then come. Even if they touch something, 506 00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:27.239 it' s impure. If a man touches them when he has antration, 507 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.519 it' s unpunished. That is, the woman who has menstruation cannot even 508 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:38.400 approach the tabernacle. When God reveals Himself to us in Christ, we find 509 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:46.000 a chapter, verses that are precious, in which a woman who has a 510 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:52.679 twelve year period, I believe that they were not only approaches God, but 511 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:59.960 has the faith that God has become man to save us and touches him. 512 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:07.239 If we only know the episode of hemorrhosis, we say how oysters this woman 513 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.280 just touching Jesus has healed herself. But in reality, what Jesus is telling 514 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:16.719 us is that God has become a person. God has come to meet us. 515 00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:20.119 It' s not like you can' t come near the tabernacle anymore. 516 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:24.280 That is no longer that you can touch God and save yourself is so 517 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:31.840 beast, it is so precious that it is as it is operating in a 518 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:37.960 precious and narratively perfect way throughout the Bible. It is that scene among many 519 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:42.760 of Jesus with the woman of hemorrhage, blood, unstoppable hemorrhage. It' 520 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:49.639 s not that I bled her out, that of course I had her in 521 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.360 a chronic anemia and that she could die from moment to moment. And that 522 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:58.400 whole scene between so many not and you in a moment has described it like 523 00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:04.960 this and it' s fantasy, because she thought if you just touch and 524 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:08.280 this is thinking about faith, exactly that kind and just and that' s 525 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.480 why I talk many times about thinking about faith, talking in faith and acting 526 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:17.440 in faith is the key and then it' s if you just touch the 527 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:24.159 border but there' s like that conflict and that woman touches her and the 528 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.679 miracle occurs, she stops the bleeding and Jesus says that it' s all 529 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:36.320 so extraordinary, knowing that Well forgives, knowing that in the tornada, in 530 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:42.039 the old will that that woman would know, it could be even stony if 531 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:43.199 she couldn' t touch exactly man and she has the faith to know that 532 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.159 that that that' s changed. There is a paradigmatic case of this and 533 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:51.199 that I explain because I think it is fundamental to understand this that you just 534 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:57.039 said Naaman is a Syrian official, there will be Elisha to cure him of 535 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:02.119 leprosy and Iseo tells him in Jordan Yamn that he is a religious man of 536 00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:07.679 his religion. It says like that' s too easy. He waited for 537 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:14.519 a rite, a potion, a magic to heal himself and they tell him, 538 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:21.000 but yes, it is easy to do it and his faith the confidence 539 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.760 that God will heal him just by getting into a river heals him. In 540 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:28.880 Christianity, the fact itself never heals you. There' s no such thing 541 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.760 as magic. What cures you is that trust that God will operate for you 542 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:37.639 and that is a brutal thing. There is a time when many people are 543 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:43.199 misbehaving in the people of Israel with Moses stinging snakes and getting sick and Moses 544 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:50.000 making a copper serpent. I think it' s the lift and people do 545 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:57.320 look at it that faith that God will operate. It' s dark what 546 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.760 happens to humans, how we are. If we go after the Book of 547 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:05.800 Kings, I think chronicles, we find that the Jewish people grabbed that snake. 548 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.760 He thought that what cured was the object and put it in the temple 549 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:15.599 was done to worship it. Yes, it is so nice to see how 550 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:21.239 we are and how God operates in a different way. Since it is not 551 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.559 this, it is not the object, it is not what you touch, 552 00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:29.559 it is your faith from the first moment that God will operate for you as 553 00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:34.840 there will be faith. No, and it' s not consistent. There 554 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.760 is no inconsistency. It is not that, suddenly, as is logical, 555 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:43.000 for a religion that speaks two thousand years or a thousand years before Jesus, 556 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.960 because people became idols like the whole world, is not that God is different, 557 00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:54.239 is not like everyone else. God is special when that is why I 558 00:52:54.239 --> 00:53:00.960 share him, because when you have read, studied, known religions and find 559 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:07.880 the Bible, you have the face of how this does not resemble anything, 560 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:13.920 because if you go to any ancient religion, from Hinduism to Buddhism, all 561 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:19.400 have the idea of Greek mythology, which we all know. What Zeus was 562 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.480 like. Zeus wasn' t a good guy. Zeus was someone who wanted 563 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:28.679 sex, who wanted such worship, who wanted flesh, who wanted, who 564 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.960 was evil, who killed a pregnant woman so that not her son would inherit 565 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:37.679 his throne. But that wasn' t Zeus. Estrora Zeus, this was 566 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.920 val This was Marduk. The gods were thus the god of the Bible, 567 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:47.519 a god who loves his people. Unconditionally there are no ancient religions. Really. 568 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:51.400 I mean, it' s not invention. You can study it. 569 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.599 It is a very rare thing, because it is the only god who is 570 00:53:55.599 --> 00:54:00.159 God of truth. The others are idols. If you want anything, as 571 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:04.480 they say, Hebrew. Not elogim not spiritual beings, but they are not 572 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:10.239 him. Elogim the only God that interesting. We listened to Oriolo Jara and 573 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:15.440 we' re talking from his book. Last conversation with God of publisher Aldaba 574 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:22.440 albada pedón and also recalling his previous book by the same publisher alluded ten reasons 575 00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:29.320 to believe that God has it at his disposal in any bookstore and then in 576 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:37.440 a masquerade, for easily how many interesting things not in your book. Well, 577 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.760 there' s so much we could go through, but we have to 578 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.199 read the book. Hey,' cause one thing we' re extracting here. 579 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:50.920 Scramble a supernatural conversation or then say and providential tell us a little bit 580 00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:54.639 about this. Yes, well, it' s supernatural, I' ll 581 00:54:54.679 --> 00:55:01.440 do it quickly in providence, I' ll tell you that it' s 582 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:08.639 a beautiful story about natural, because I, personally, as a Christian, 583 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:10.639 even after I' ve become, didn' t know the supernatural world of 584 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:17.880 the Bible. He did not have, as evidently, if we understand how 585 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:24.480 supernatural God himself. His work in your heart is supernatural, the Holy Spirit 586 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:36.800 is supernatural. But in the Bible there is an abundant, real and explicit 587 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:45.599 presence of evil spiritual beings there and, in addition, there is a conquest 588 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:54.199 struggle in which God, through Jesus, operates to conquer the world up to 589 00:55:54.239 --> 00:56:00.280 the Avenue of Jesus. The first was a thing known as cosmic geography. 590 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:09.920 Every city, every province, every territory had its own naman idol that we 591 00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:15.159 talked about now. What he asks when he is healed is to take land 592 00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:21.119 from Israel to Syria in order to be able to pray to God, the 593 00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:27.920 God of Israel and needs the land because each place had its god worth And 594 00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.039 it is something that is mentioned in Teronomius thirty- two, which is like 595 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:34.960 that God divides the world between idols and he stays Israel. When Jesus arrives 596 00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:40.519 his operation is of conquest. It is the first religion, if we want 597 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.360 to call it so it has a universal vocation. That did not exist in 598 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:51.000 India there was every city had its modest. In Greece, every city had 599 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.280 its God. In the Middle East, each city had Marduk, a Baal. 600 00:56:54.920 --> 00:57:00.679 Even art, Jesus comes to conquer the world for God, just like 601 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:06.199 that. In fact, the first demons who recognize Jesus are the Gadarenes who 602 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:10.559 are out of Israel and say what you are doing here, How is it 603 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:15.719 not the deal we had then. This world is supernatural of conquests, supernatural 604 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:23.280 of spirits. It' s beautiful and in the chapter I try to make 605 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.480 an introduction to something that I would love to be a book later. It 606 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:35.360 is worth on this subject and I say providential, because God speaks to you 607 00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:39.480 quite clearly. If you want to listen in your life and tell an anecdote 608 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:45.039 that will try to make brief. I have four wonderful children. The last 609 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:52.000 one is called Isaac and it is a name that we do not know very 610 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.599 well how it has appeared in our life most times, or all times, 611 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.599 when there is one when one has to name a child, because the father 612 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:04.039 says some, the mother says others no, and the mother decides and then 613 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.599 the son has a name that they have consented and sac appeared in the life 614 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.840 of this child, in the barrier of his mother and it was simply called 615 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:19.079 isa that was almost impossible. Well, when he was born, we took 616 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:24.880 him to baptize a Roman Catholic church and I don' t know who knows 617 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:31.039 or doesn' t, but every Sunday there are readings in every Roman Catholic 618 00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:37.480 church in the world. Let' s say the same and, well, 619 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.159 we looked for a day that we were doing well to baptize the child that 620 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:43.559 was my sister, my family could come. Well it was made as the 621 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:49.199 calendar that was possible and when we took the boy to be baptized, that 622 00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:52.280 day' s reading was the announcement to Abraham of Isaac' s birth. 623 00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:59.280 So the mixture of the two things, of the appearance of the name and 624 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:05.159 of and of the reading was, as it goes is that it is fascinating 625 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:09.559 as God, somehow it helps you to grow that trust, which is so 626 00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:15.920 important, to grow that trust that in the end are roots, are fundamentals 627 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:22.239 for you to say how sometimes, what I have to preach, what I 628 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:30.000 have to do society does not accept me. It is that God exists in 629 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:35.719 some way providential, is that he coincides the name, which is son of 630 00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:42.719 the promise and ISAAC with the text of the scriptures that was read that Sunday, 631 00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:47.679 and it is a kind of prophetic confirmation to understand you, no yes, 632 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:54.239 I never know, that is, if anything God has given me in 633 00:59:54.440 --> 01:00:02.320 recent years is the most precious treasure that is humility and lack of self- 634 01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:07.480 esteem. He said a preacher and that' s very good. And then 635 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:16.239 I never dare try and say diagnose. What does God say in that work, 636 01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:22.320 at that particular moment that I but he does say something and it is 637 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:28.480 a way for me to give us a colleja. To me the first to 638 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:34.920 tell us how it is that I am before you you say a very nice 639 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:42.000 thing, that is that the Bible is God revealing itself and there is no 640 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.199 other way it is. There is no other way to know God than He 641 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:51.760 revealing Himself. Aithana is my wife. If I go to a physicist, 642 01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:58.320 biologist and doctor, I' m going to be defined by Ittana. They 643 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.599 ' re going to tell me how their molecular composition is, they' re 644 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.320 going to tell me how, how much it measures, how much it weighs. 645 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.639 They' re going to tell me how their organs work, they' 646 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.360 re going to tell me how many beats they give but I know how Saitana 647 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:16.960 is. With all this accurate information, even if science tells me a thousand 648 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.440 details, I don' t know who it is. If it' s 649 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.280 not revealed to me, that' s the case, it' s a 650 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:29.639 good example. Yeah, yeah, and it' s like God science already, 651 01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:31.840 but if it' s not revealed to us, we don' t 652 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:37.239 know who it is. And he has had the great mercy to rebel, 653 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:42.719 to reveal himself in a book that is as God wants it to be. 654 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.480 Debates from me have sometimes called me a Bible fundamentalist. I have been called 655 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:57.880 a Bible fundamentalist, because I quote it a lot and am certain, by 656 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:04.400 a purely philosophical and theological reasoning, that the Bible is exactly how God wants 657 01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:09.039 it to be. It' s that he wants you to know this is 658 01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:15.480 like, but because it' s all powerful, so he' s not 659 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:16.320 going to leave a Bible other than what he wants it to be. And 660 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:22.960 then that thought. I think it' s fundamental that you look at this 661 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:23.840 chapter. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, 662 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:27.039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 663 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:30.159 no, no, no, no. If I were to start saying Look 664 01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:37.840 July, it' s that this verse man where you finish the Bible is 665 01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:42.239 as God wants it to be. And that for me is a guide, 666 01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:46.239 a real guide. It' s not just words that I the good one 667 01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:53.719 already see. I emphasize it because I think how I wish I didn' 668 01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:57.760 t forget this phrase never clear, yes, I see that it has left 669 01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.159 over already, but that speaks of that of a reader of life, is 670 01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:01.000 that it is the book, a master of life, is the master of 671 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:07.039 life. Look, I learned to look at myself, and then I got 672 01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.440 into culture late and into my career too, but later on, when I 673 01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:15.320 was twenty- seven years old, but I was ahead of a complicated world. 674 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:19.679 I learned to read well because I didn' t almost go to school. 675 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:24.039 He was very sick from the age of eight to the age of twelve, 676 01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:28.280 and he had huge gaps. I learned to read well, starting to 677 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:34.119 read the new Testament and slowly And so on, and the Bible has been 678 01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:40.239 my educator, Glory of God and you know it' s true when I 679 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:45.199 studied and now I' m part of, a few years ago I have 680 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:47.880 the honor to be part of the Board of Directors of the Bible Society of 681 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:57.920 Spain, which is more than centeria of almost two hundred years promoting scriptures and 682 01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:01.480 I have studied the Bible of the subject, inerrancy, it is, liberals, 683 01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:06.320 the contras, all those who say and I have stopped saying good apart, 684 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:10.960 that the Bible has transformed my life, as I see it has transformed 685 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.239 yours which is the word of God, it does not contain the word. 686 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.280 It is the word of God, which is different. I realized it' 687 01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:23.480 s a miracle book. After now we have it here in a fact cymil 688 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:29.239 look how nice and how and how of all several translations and versions a little 689 01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:33.239 more updated. Of course they have what dynamic language is, the Bible. 690 01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:38.199 Not the new translations, which are very interesting, not the words are more 691 01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:42.480 simplified, but that is very interesting for the homer mentality. Today, without 692 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:48.119 perverting the essence that the biblicalists in this are very much Masorets. But when 693 01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:51.119 I study life and read and have that fancied look here, well, I 694 01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:58.119 do any Bible, both Catholic and evangelical, that have the books of the 695 01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:03.480 When I read the Bible really this is a miracle. When the avatars who 696 01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:09.679 have lived the Bible to get to the canonical books that have been selected with 697 01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:13.639 the parents of the Church, of the previous generations and what have passed and 698 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.199 the mistreatments that have occurred and of the heresies that have been and that finally 699 01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:23.039 came to an end. Practically not long ago. After all, almost in 700 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:27.599 the modern age, the conclusion of scriptures as the book we have Canonical. 701 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.239 This is a miracle. It' s a miracle but clamoring. It' 702 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:41.360 s a miracle people should think about it, they should understand it, they 703 01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:45.280 should remember it every day. The Church is a miracle. The Church, 704 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:53.280 the body of believers. The disciples of Christ are a miracle in the year 705 01:05:54.840 --> 01:06:00.880 three hundred and seventy- three. I believe it is from the persecution of 706 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:09.119 Diocletian, the greatest against the Christians of Rome. The greatest was proposed and 707 01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:13.320 forced to burn down all the houses of assembly and all the Christian texts. 708 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:19.320 Everybody. In addition, many people died with the five zero Christians executed. 709 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:30.440 Seventy- seven years later Christianity was the official religion of Rome. Not even 710 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:38.199 eighty years after the greatest persecution, Christianity is the official religion of Rome. 711 01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:45.519 God has operated to save his church and to make it an engine of salvation 712 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:51.000 for the world. That is why we have this so beautiful, so urgent 713 01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:56.639 call to go and preach go and preach is that Christianity is very well at 714 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.679 home. If you are a Christian, go home, it is not that 715 01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:03.480 it is not our command, that besides, it is an honor to go 716 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:09.360 and preach the Gospel to all the creatures of the earth, even to those 717 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:14.119 people who sometimes today these oh that evil, these God, God must hate 718 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:18.840 these because they are very bad and they are neither great nor bad, and 719 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:25.440 what does it do with jonas, no, do not see nor snow and 720 01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:26.599 save them, is that they are very bad. I' m leaving, 721 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:32.119 I' m leaving the frame run away and God is how they are saved, 722 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:36.679 I command you to go and save us, even if you despise them, 723 01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.480 even if those of Nineveh have thrown the twin towers of your time go 724 01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:45.199 and preach to them. That is so beautiful and so urgent for all Christians. 725 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:49.000 It' s really urgent. If not I wouldn' t be tomorrow 726 01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:55.199 I' ll go to Jerez, I wouldn' t be there going up 727 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:56.559 and down this one will let you. For example, it is that and 728 01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:59.400 and the guy flees from the presence of God and comes to Spain, he 729 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:02.360 comes there and to talk about it, that is Tarsis, which was the 730 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:09.480 river formerly sailing ships. Yes, and it' s true. I speak 731 01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:13.280 to the book Jonals It is the book of God' s mercy. I 732 01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:16.880 won' t have compassion. It is of more than one hundred and twenty 733 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.800 thousand souls who do not know how to discern among their right hand human. 734 01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:28.640 He wanted many children and many animals. That is where even the delicate God 735 01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:32.039 appears. One last question, because time goes by we could spend hours talking 736 01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:36.680 to the river El Jaray sure our listeners will say go on, go on, 737 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:45.479 go on, but we come back after a guest friend who also talks 738 01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:47.319 to us about other issues. But look, you said one thing that strikes 739 01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:50.880 me. Maybe that' s it. I think it is an explosive conclusion 740 01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:58.520 that I would like you to explain to her the difference between pagan religions and 741 01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:01.840 religions of other kinds of mysteries and of such and such that there has been 742 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:09.000 in the world. They have a universal declaration in Christianity, in the Bible, 743 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.239 both in the old and in the new Testament, but much more in 744 01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:17.319 Jesus is God is love, he is not an angry god of the gods 745 01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:24.800 of mythology. They are angry and narcible, for they zeuos against others and 746 01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:30.159 such not and fight against each other, not against each other. But you 747 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:33.840 already mean but this is breaking neither in the Amora code to me nor in 748 01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:41.000 any of the ancient and ancestral religions. God is love and something they say 749 01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:43.119 God has love. No, no, no, God has no love. 750 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:47.800 God is love, he is a volcano of love and loves unconditionally and this 751 01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:51.800 I liked to assimilate, uh, as unconditionally. I have to do something 752 01:09:53.520 --> 01:10:00.399 because to deserve that I am worthy of God' s compassion, I can 753 01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:03.720 not, no, no, well, said a friend pastor told me and 754 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:08.079 I said to God amac and unconditionally and he said yes, yes, well, 755 01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:13.159 Conditionally, the condition is Christ. Okay, okay. This is the 756 01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:16.000 time, it is true, that is, that is your merit Christ, 757 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.800 and it is very important. In the book I explain it, but what 758 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:26.199 you say is essential to set an example. The universal flood is something that 759 01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:34.399 happened. It is a historical truth and diverse cultures collect that event, because 760 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:40.760 it is a truth. And in Mesopotamia there is talk of a universal flood. 761 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:45.479 What is the difference and I believe that in this we will try to 762 01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:54.199 understand what God is about compared to the gods. God creates people and is 763 01:10:54.600 --> 01:11:00.000 sorry because they are hurting each other, because he is importing in a way 764 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:06.319 that excites me, because it is as if my family brothers are killing each 765 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:16.920 other, plotting with each other. That is terrible and God decides to end 766 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:23.239 that horror and start with a society that is closer to what he is so 767 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:28.439 that people do not harm each other. That is the fundamental theological idea of 768 01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:34.840 the flood. This same flood Hemopotamia is told the following way Enlil, the 769 01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:42.720 enlil God was sick of the people because it made noise and did not let 770 01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:47.359 him sleep and sent them a flood. This is to understand what God is 771 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:54.600 and what Heos gods are also serving us God, not God loves. There 772 01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:58.319 is no God of Antiquity who loves people, all of them. There' 773 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:00.640 s none, but it' s not that I say it, it doesn 774 01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:01.279 ' t exist. It doesn' t exist. And another very important thing. 775 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:06.560 There is no God of Antiquity who manifests that humans are his image. 776 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:13.880 None of the likes of any God that kings say are my children, the 777 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:19.680 kings. But may a God say even this destitute is my image. We 778 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:24.920 too have to be alerted by this person whom society tells us not to listen 779 01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:30.760 to him today is already very old. Watch that it' s God' 780 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:33.159 s image, careful with what you' re doing, not that it' 781 01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:35.680 s super pretty, which is one of the sins of sodoma. It' 782 01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:40.119 s like the hand of the needy. You' ve held the hand of 783 01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:45.640 this person who' s suffering that' s natural, or you' ve 784 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:46.600 been an abomination and you' ve ignored him. Although even animals, when 785 01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:51.760 there is an attack that makes us protect the weak, animals and in us 786 01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:58.039 are taking us to a ground where, well, the elderly are already very 787 01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:02.079 bad and others are fast, which is an abomination because it is unnatural, 788 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:09.960 not normal. Okay. Indeed, we would be hours. They speak yes, 789 01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:12.760 because it' s the subject or it' s the subject. That 790 01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.039 ' s why we have to make a male and our listeners hear it and 791 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:21.760 say it' s interesting. We are listening to everything now we have artificial 792 01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:26.880 intelligence that does not, if that or that said the omos of good, 793 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:32.359 means also it is beyond that for here and that says there is an approximately 794 01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:38.079 told us I believe that twenty, thirty percent of possibilities that artificial intelligence destroyed 795 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:48.800 humanity. I mean, we' re creating our own gods that are going 796 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:50.840 to destroy us in the end. If not, it will be I who 797 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:58.359 know, because we need a redeemer only Jesus, if it is the one 798 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:03.880 who saves man from endemic sin. And besides, what is behind is eternal 799 01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:08.920 life, It is a life with him forever, in an eternal kingdom, 800 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:14.880 in a new world, new heavens and new earth. But for all that 801 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:19.159 you have to read this book conversation with God Look I am sure that those 802 01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:24.039 who needed listening with the river The Jara and a servant will have said wow. 803 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:27.279 He hears him, don' t cut, uh, but look. 804 01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:29.920 If you listen, well, you' re gonna be able to. In 805 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:33.399 our Spriaker. The train of life is recorded on our YouTube channel, also 806 01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:41.600 from Julio Pérez, but also on the Fribou Like. You have it in 807 01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:48.319 mind, you cannot hear it again, but the book will get you to 808 01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:51.760 enjoy it and if you have spiritual concerns, you probably will. An approach 809 01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:58.439 to faith through this book, to the Christian faith, recommend it to your 810 01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:02.760 friends, because that council is a book that is understood and already I tell 811 01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:10.520 you has singularity. That' s why I recommend it too, dear oriol 812 01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:15.359 friend Ho honor, thank you for being here, for taking your time and 813 01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:19.640 I know that you have a work schedule, of your own, of your 814 01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:24.399 own production and that you are there, but also of your conferences, goings 815 01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:27.880 and comings. Thank you for having me understand, thanks to you and that 816 01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:30.920 it is a very great honor that you interview me with all your heart. 817 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:34.720 I feel very lucky to be here. Thank you and I too for sharing 818 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:39.920 this time with you. I enjoy it, but very much so, nothing 819 01:15:39.920 --> 01:16:09.079 is always there. Friends and those I blessed graces or the train of life, 820 01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:27.680 half life of the desert Prosperas Abraham and the people who looked at the 821 01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:41.000 sky and Stephen without pit give him the pole rests because he tries me. 822 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:55.800 Moses hit the broken one and you gave him no feeling of going dart in 823 01:16:55.800 --> 01:17:13.000 arms. He knows how to give you by faith He understands people with his 824 01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:20.920 sea Is it you who will provide? Will you provide? His is my 825 01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:46.119 decity I will not have all is well, let me always know if the 826 01:17:47.159 --> 01:18:06.640 widow of a tsareta all your provision rejoices the word larrorescito, Holy Ericus, 827 01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:30.239 and so you are gave and so we will see him you will see him 828 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:44.039 what he did is my lence I will not see you all kisses were always 829 01:18:44.039 --> 01:19:00.079 eaten. Yes, Heart, do not fan you will see sansvirme a no 830 01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:17.079 casito your lia remember that the victory blood the membre of the Lord or Heart, 831 01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:34.680 do not fret your hope laugh your streets the decito of my remember that 832 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:51.560 the victory is tande lante of the Lord that the victories tanmbre of Lord Hard 833 01:19:55.359 --> 01:20:23.880 of your problem trisores and will rock not to have all massa always suspect if 834 01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:48.920 your promise will provide it gray or the lingnes the whole shoulders always suffocate my 835 01:20:48.920 --> 01:21:41.640 heart. You fan hopes to sansvirme the Mommy streets or until he comes, 836 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:47.479 until today closer than ever we invite you to the second edition of this interdenominational 837 01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:54.840 congress aimed at the whole Body of Christ in Spain and Europe, which will 838 01:21:55.000 --> 01:22:00.840 take place from twenty- six to twenty- eight April at the Fira de 839 01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:05.239 Reus, Tarragona. With us will be the international speakers Mariano se Igual, 840 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:18.359 Benjamin Núñez and Marcos Brunet. All walan we wamado well or wamado for more 841 01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:26.319 information, you can log into our wwwwww site until he comes. Point is 842 01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:30.000 to write to the six about, six, eight, eight, one, 843 01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:34.479 five, seven, one, six hundred, sixteen, eight hundred eighty- 844 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:40.920 one, five hundred seventy- one and consult prices and registration modalities. Don 845 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:45.640 ' t miss the opportunity to participate in this great call until he comes. 846 01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:57.000 Until he comes. Hode a pedarradi, home before your glory, bafay b 847 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:13.479 plotted and all or gora. If you want to visit our website Law the 848 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:35.680 train of life. Desto is important, ladies and gentlemen, how good that 849 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:44.079 we travel through temporal space like this and are traveling through the ether of waves 850 01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:50.039 through frequency, modulated also by social networks. Through you can connect us on 851 01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:55.079 Up on Mars, on Jupiter, on Saturn, on Venus, through Ona 852 01:23:55.159 --> 01:24:00.159 paul Cat. There we can be tuned in beyond the frequency of your city. 853 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.760 The train of life is a traveling train. Travels through more than a 854 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:11.960 hundred Spanish cities. Every week and you can connect us or to Pau the 855 01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:17.239 three rigor BSS ona Pau boom Cap with t final that is the abbreviation of 856 01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:21.880 Catalonia. Well, we' re in good company. We have our friend 857 01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.520 already on Mallenas, who already missed him these days between the weeks Santa and 858 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:32.279 some guests that we have had so a little bit special of these that are 859 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:38.960 not frequent, that have forced us a little bit to displace some programs. 860 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:44.720 But suddenly we return to the pulse of the present with our good friend, 861 01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:48.239 already or more full. You know he is a lawyer, but he is 862 01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:58.840 also the national coordinator of biblical graduates of GVG, then degrees of biblical groups 863 01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:05.199 and is also a lecturer at the level of our country, but also international 864 01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:11.159 and always a special talker, because he is at the end of the news, 865 01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:15.279 knows what happens and we have always said that we, believers, some 866 01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:17.920 interpret that we live in Babia. No. No, no, we' 867 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:21.760 re up to date. Okay. My job also forces me to do it, 868 01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:27.720 not because of journalism, but in general, when we talk on the 869 01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:30.399 radio, it says good. But these people, yes, yes, we 870 01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:34.159 know what' s going on, at least some things we know good. 871 01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:40.560 Well, welcome, dear friend Jaun Mallenas, thank you, Julio. A 872 01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:45.439 pleasure to hear from you, also because this is seen and somehow, for 873 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:50.079 it is a pleasure to meet again after these weeks that we have been out 874 01:25:50.720 --> 01:25:57.800 taking a little rest. I also hope our listeners have also had a little 875 01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:00.920 rest. And, well, then, retake the pulse to the present, 876 01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:05.880 re- take the daily work that in the end is when we produce and 877 01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:11.760 when we do good things and that, somehow persist after us, because our 878 01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:19.720 work persists even after us. Well, we' ve had vacations, some 879 01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:25.640 of the week- long ones have taken advantage of it to go to different 880 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:28.399 tourist destinations. Spain is a great country for that. Well, Spain to 881 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:32.079 Europe and any part of the world when you have a week ahead, because 882 01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:36.279 you can travel. But we have also had holy water from heaven that is 883 01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:41.760 missing is true. That' s right. It rained a little in other 884 01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:45.159 parts of Spain. It has rained more, but here in Catalonia it resists 885 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:48.680 rain, but something has improved. What has fallen is that water from heaven 886 01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:54.640 literally, not only because it fell from above, but because it came from 887 01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:58.279 heaven really from God' s provision, from that good provision of God, 888 01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:00.239 which makes rain upon the righteous and above all righteous, is true. And 889 01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:05.600 in that sense, blessed by the water, which we have blessed by the 890 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:13.159 increase say today, I read that the water that has fallen provides us with 891 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:16.920 a cushion of two months of water consumption in Catalonia. Not bad, because 892 01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:24.960 we were really in a very distressing situation with regard to water consumption. Yeah, 893 01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:27.319 yeah, yeah, yeah, well, we' ll have to think. 894 01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:31.359 I have said this and we have talked about it here in many respects. 895 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:38.800 Politicians, at least as an observer of the country' s future and 896 01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:42.880 political and in general, there is a lot of improvisation about politics. In 897 01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:45.640 some respects there is a certain foresight, because if it would not be chaos, 898 01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:49.640 there is a certain sense of foresight, but we do not. For 899 01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:55.119 example, the theme of the famous desaladoras here, in Catalonia and in other 900 01:27:55.239 --> 01:28:00.840 parts of the State, of the hydrological plan, the water plan has also 901 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:03.800 been postponed some what they wanted to activate later themselves. The last one that 902 01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:12.039 deactivated it was Zapatero, which was all planned then and really that of the 903 01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:15.399 after- bases. It is also a whole water policy, but it is 904 01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:23.880 the inter- community solidarity of the autonomous communities, because one of the things 905 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:30.720 we interdepend on is water. Right. The truth is that yes and it 906 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:34.680 is one of the issues that we lack long- term policies. As politicians 907 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:43.159 have to come to the polls with a certain frequency, then that pressure of 908 01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:46.399 the ballot box is sometimes negative, not a good thing, because politicians have 909 01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:50.439 to endorse that they are still loved by the people, that they love them 910 01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:54.319 in that place and they do not want another. But it is true that 911 01:28:54.479 --> 01:29:00.680 this pushes short- term policies, to policies that are seen immediately. And 912 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:06.680 these things aren' t seen because when you have to build those other bases, 913 01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:12.399 when you have to put those pipes, when you have to build those 914 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:13.840 desalination plants, that' s when you don' t need to. That 915 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:15.680 ' s when we have the water. And it clearly says now I' 916 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:19.439 m going to spend on something that is not necessary when I have such pressing 917 01:29:19.439 --> 01:29:24.760 things. But of course, we in our country know that we have this 918 01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:28.520 problem and we know that the problem is going to go further in the future. 919 01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:31.479 It will not go unless these droughts are going to be more and more 920 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:38.760 frequent and longer. Therefore, not foreseeing is a guilty act. It is 921 01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:43.359 an act that, when we now encounter the drought situation, what we are 922 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:46.640 seeing is that during the years where there was water, no one made foresight 923 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:51.000 when we had the previous problem, the drought so great that there was in 924 01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:57.000 our country, that we were on the edge, then also everyone said something 925 01:29:57.079 --> 01:30:00.119 must be done. But when it started to rain, we didn' t 926 01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:04.800 focus on the short and medium term issues again, which are the ones that 927 01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:10.479 hit the elections. However, we are not rewarding those politicians who have a 928 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:14.600 medium- and long- term vision and we should also be, as a 929 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:17.000 people, a little wiser, little more able to see who is doing policies 930 01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:23.399 in the medium and long term is solving the real problems, because the water 931 01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:26.960 problem is a real problem, and the water problem for irrigation, the water 932 01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:30.359 problem for cities, a water problem for the number one industry we have in 933 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:35.520 Spain, which is tourism. So, of course, this requires that we 934 01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:38.520 keep looking after him. People won' t keep coming to our country if 935 01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:43.239 we have water problems. People can' t swim in the pool They can 936 01:30:43.319 --> 01:30:46.720 ' t take a shower where we have to take care of an industry that 937 01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:49.720 doesn' t just have the sun, but the infrastructure needs to be put 938 01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:53.239 in place to take advantage of it. Therefore, politicians who do not move 939 01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:59.079 just by what the last poll says, who takes out the newspaper, such 940 01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:01.600 or that the Institute of Opinion is here, but politicians who move for the 941 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:06.960 needs of the country in the long term. The issue of water, water 942 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:12.800 policy. In the first world we are talking about the first world we have. 943 01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:17.479 Water is a problem, a problem that is becoming more acute and alternative 944 01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:24.960 systems, such as desolations and other systems, need to be invented or reinvented. 945 01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:29.640 But I really don' t tell you anything anymore. In the third 946 01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:34.920 world, the issue of droughts and famines. The issue of water is also 947 01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:43.760 a global issue, it is a subject that produces many, many difficulties and 948 01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:49.600 many deaths due to droughts and famines by extension. So, of course we 949 01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:53.680 ' re in the first world. But if people start to despair with this, 950 01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:59.000 for example, now we have a political quarrel here in our country, 951 01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.119 of all colors, well, but in a Cainite State, very very wild 952 01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:06.800 that I don' t know this as who will stop it if they are 953 01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:10.560 only once those of the right and other times they are those of the left, 954 01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:15.399 then they alternate, come and do and in the end they do something 955 01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:24.079 very similar with one argument and another counterargument. But if you' re telling 956 01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:29.319 me that we' re going to do good in Spain anything else, or 957 01:32:29.399 --> 01:32:33.039 in Catalonia or in the Basque Country. Now I hear a policy, but 958 01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:39.319 people don' t care about that if I' m a wholesaler, if 959 01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:41.079 I' m an independent, I mean look, don' t talk to 960 01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:45.399 me about this. Now tell me what I need. We' ll have 961 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:47.159 another forum to talk about this and whatever you want, but I need to 962 01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:54.079 tell you now, as we say in Catalonia. I need solutions. Let 963 01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:57.840 ' s say practice to my everyday problems. One of them is water, 964 01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:01.520 because it seems like it' s kind of a mockery, because to say, 965 01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:10.439 talking about the properties of fried egg or garlic soup, when I have 966 01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:16.239 to have other priorities. It means it' s a wake- up call 967 01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:20.359 to politicians. But in another version, we can transfer it to Spanish politics 968 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:26.039 in general. We' re talking about the sun, the moon, the 969 01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:31.039 stars, the sex of the angels. While the Turks are invading constantinopla, 970 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:35.720 which was what was happening at the council of Constantinople, while they were defining, 971 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:40.720 among other things, how many angels were in the head of a pin. 972 01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:47.880 So here the Turks mean the adverse circumstances, nor do we speak of 973 01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:53.359 what we do not know. I don' t know if you agree with 974 01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:57.960 me in this reflection. Yes, it is true that water has become an 975 01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:02.479 economic good, that the economy is the science of the administration of scarce goods, 976 01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:09.640 of goods that are not scarce. It is not necessary to make economy, 977 01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:14.760 but water, which was a matter that no one cared about centuries ago, 978 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:18.359 was there simply water was like air today. If the air were to 979 01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:24.000 begin to be of poor quality and unbreathable, the pure air would become an 980 01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:28.600 economic good, well of which we would have to decide economies. This is 981 01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:31.640 what' s happening with the water. It is said that part of the 982 01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:35.720 wars of the future will not be for the possession of oil, but for 983 01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:42.640 the possession of water. And we' re facing something that' s limited. 984 01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.640 I' m also saying we took it for granted by the water. 985 01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:49.199 Water is not taken for granted because with the climate change we are experiencing, 986 01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:56.159 regions of the planet are becoming more sensitive. The Mediterranean basin, particularly in 987 01:34:56.239 --> 01:35:00.680 Europe, is one of the most sensitive areas where there are areas of progressive 988 01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:05.680 desertification. This is not something that is going to be in five hundred years 989 01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:12.920 ' time, something that we are seeing because there is an acceleration of the 990 01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:17.079 rate at which desertification occurs in a very important climate change. Higher temperatures, 991 01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:23.079 higher water evaporation. I mean, it' s a whole series of less 992 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:26.199 rain issues, and so on. And of course, we are seeing all 993 01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:30.960 this in our day and it is necessary of the answers in our day. 994 01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:34.079 When I speak long term, I am not referring to the generations of our 995 01:35:34.199 --> 01:35:36.840 grandchildren. I' m referring to the long term. In seven or eight 996 01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:41.720 years we are now starting to build salt plants. The other day I heard 997 01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:45.960 one of the desaladoras that are cuttering huge giant and said we will finish as 998 01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:49.399 fast as possible for two thousand twenty- eight, For two thousand twenty- 999 01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:53.399 eight, we can all be dead. So, that is, you could 1000 01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:57.079 have all died of thirst water of one hundred and two thousand and twenty- 1001 01:35:57.079 --> 01:35:59.520 eight. It' s true. So, no, it' s not, 1002 01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:02.119 it' s not the target. The aim is that we should have 1003 01:36:02.199 --> 01:36:08.479 foreseen this, because it takes many years to build. And we have to 1004 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:11.000 build not just this one. We have to build those that we will need 1005 01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:14.439 in two thousand thirty, in two thousand thirty five, we have to start 1006 01:36:14.439 --> 01:36:19.000 building them now. So, yes, definitely, we have politicians who care 1007 01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:25.760 about the basic needs of citizens who have to do with the day- to 1008 01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:31.840 - day and that our politicians are at their ball. This is the feeling 1009 01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:35.560 that gives me. The feeling that the elections in Catalonia, for example, 1010 01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:42.800 for the 12th of May, is a matter of a question of seeing which 1011 01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:50.279 is the Nationalist Party that is going to be the dominant within the Independence Group. 1012 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:57.000 This is what is causing these elections. It is a struggle between two 1013 01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.960 political parties that can no longer withstand the pressure of each other, and it 1014 01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:08.239 has no choice but to call elections. And of course we are caught up 1015 01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:14.079 in the partisan struggle of two parties such as Esquerra and Juns in Catalonia. 1016 01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:18.319 This is terrible, because we are how to say it, we are the 1017 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:24.359 captives. We are not going to say the instrument that they are going to 1018 01:37:24.439 --> 01:37:30.079 use to decide which party is the strongest, the one that is imposed within 1019 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:35.000 those dynamics. That is why the independent parties today feel that in many areas 1020 01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:41.359 they lack ideology. The only thing that leads them to one side or the 1021 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:45.159 other is that it says one thing and the other needs to be differentiated. 1022 01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:47.960 Since it needs to be differentiated, it has to promote policies, but they 1023 01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:50.199 are no longer even right- wing or left- wing policies. They are 1024 01:37:50.279 --> 01:37:54.880 no longer politics even for or against independence, if they are not simply to 1025 01:37:54.960 --> 01:38:01.119 be distinguished and to be the one who dominates money within independence. But they 1026 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:04.680 are realizing that when they see, when they realize, they will no longer 1027 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:10.199 be majority in Catalonia, simply because they were doing so badly you? They 1028 01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:13.960 ' re going to stop being majority in Catalonia is that there' s going 1029 01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:15.359 to be a vote of punishment, there' s going to be. I 1030 01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:20.319 have a good environment where I have to read about people who have had that 1031 01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:27.640 political approach, but not what I think in a neutral way. I say 1032 01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:31.359 what my personal vote is, but I do it from a journalistic point of 1033 01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:34.159 view. He tells me no. No. No. No. No. 1034 01:38:35.199 --> 01:38:39.079 There is a vow of punishment in honor. A vow of punishment and, 1035 01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:44.239 moreover, is reasonable. It is the common sense that imposes upon you then, 1036 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:46.680 this is that and then the sense of anticipation. In so many things, 1037 01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:54.600 there are so many social and citizen needs that you notice that it is 1038 01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:59.960 first. I have said Members in general say they have commissions of some men 1039 01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:02.840 they have to do something, otherwise this would already be chaos, it would 1040 01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.880 be the recaca already, but the end is total. But they have to 1041 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:14.159 do something. But the deputies, even the parliamentarians of Catalonia and the autonomous 1042 01:39:14.359 --> 01:39:17.159 governments and above all at the national level, the Senate, no longer tell 1043 01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:24.840 you anything that almost nothing comes and the lower house does not work except for 1044 01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:31.119 mayors and councillors, who have a much more realistic approach to citizenship. Usually, 1045 01:39:31.319 --> 01:39:35.520 a little more we have to attribute to them, because it is quite 1046 01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:40.359 true. In general, the others, these people don' t, as 1047 01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:45.600 they say, popularly don' t, work little and they charge a bonus 1048 01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:49.319 for a commission to perceive or something and they don' t work. If 1049 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:56.039 I were in the Congress of Deputies, I' d put a public outcry 1050 01:39:56.640 --> 01:39:59.880 on them because on top of that, we' re talking about the sun, 1051 01:39:59.880 --> 01:40:02.920 the moon and the stars. Therefore, we need realities to be committed 1052 01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:09.920 and we have a lot of issues in the country. That political improvisation thing. 1053 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.119 I' m desperate, because you see a lot. In addition, 1054 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:19.000 apart from the lies of one another, they have convinced one thing these days. 1055 01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:25.079 We are on parliamentary committees, Senate committees on corruption, committees in Congress 1056 01:40:25.159 --> 01:40:29.880 on corruption and have really managed to convince us that everyone is really corrupt. 1057 01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:34.239 This is, in the end, the conclusion it reaches. You say yes 1058 01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:38.359 it' s true, you' re all right. Everyone else is short. 1059 01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:42.199 What happens is that everyone wants to say no. Mine aren' t 1060 01:40:42.279 --> 01:40:45.560 as corrupt as the others. It is not what we are discussing, but 1061 01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:48.840 of course, the truth is that they are coming to convince us that we 1062 01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:53.279 do not have the parliamentarians we wanted to take. Yes, it is true 1063 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:59.479 that there is a lack of sensitivities. We have desensitized towards corruption. Today 1064 01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:06.399 there was also news that if the elections in Madrid were to be presented again 1065 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:12.439 at this time, it would bring back the absolute majority, that is to 1066 01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:19.319 say, that we are so desensitized. We also do not know so clearly 1067 01:41:19.479 --> 01:41:25.279 that our parliamentarians deceive us that in the end we take it for granted. 1068 01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:30.239 It no longer has any electoral effect, because we are willing to vote corruptly. 1069 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:32.560 There is no choice but to vote corruptly. This is terrible when a 1070 01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:40.000 party forgives, when a country gets used to having corrupt politicians, because then 1071 01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:44.159 this does not only affect politicians, but affects the morale of a society. 1072 01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:49.640 They are in a position of visibility, they are in a moralizing position. 1073 01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:54.640 They have a moral duty, they have a moral duty to represent. What 1074 01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:57.399 it is about being a Spanish, what it is about being a Catalan, 1075 01:41:57.720 --> 01:42:00.800 what it means to be a Spanish. And of course, when they are 1076 01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:04.079 corrupt, when they really and when the citizens end up not caring anymore, 1077 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:09.279 but we have to vote for someone and we vote for them as usual, 1078 01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:13.640 because better the bad known than the good to know clau. This is terrible 1079 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:16.439 for a country because it means that we have not only a solution now, 1080 01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:23.079 but a solution for the future. We' re voting people we know are 1081 01:42:23.359 --> 01:42:26.560 corrupt and we don' t even care about knowing they' re corrupt anymore. 1082 01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:30.399 This is terrible. This is no longer just that if you work more 1083 01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:32.960 or work less. The problem is, whether they' re corrupt or not, 1084 01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:36.680 they are corrupt, so of course this. This is going to get 1085 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:40.319 older, it' s going to get older. These would look like more 1086 01:42:40.319 --> 01:42:45.199 work. That' s what' s interesting. Reflections and I was already 1087 01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:49.119 thinking about the mystery of the suitcases, of those of the twenty famous suitcases 1088 01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:57.199 of the Minister of Isy of Venezuela, when it came that to theÑorbalo 1089 01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:00.760 It was the minister in turn, with all the day of elbow and all 1090 01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:04.039 the. The issue of masks, corruption means that here, here, here 1091 01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:12.279 there' s a whole underworld in politics behind the scenes when it comes out 1092 01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:15.000 and what comes out of us you can' t imagine what comes out of 1093 01:43:15.079 --> 01:43:21.439 us. The trapicheans you say hear, but what they were talking about apart 1094 01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:29.439 from the subject of the soap opera and companionship and all the trapicheos and then 1095 01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:32.840 you go somewhere else, you see other things, but I was thinking and 1096 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:40.600 what would be the mystery of the twenty suitcases and in a contradictory situation that 1097 01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:42.159 there would be here and how and how it was, it was the worst 1098 01:43:42.159 --> 01:43:47.880 moment. It was going through a critical situation, the Venezuelan dictatorship of Maduro 1099 01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:55.279 and that could break, but notice, what would happen back there. If 1100 01:43:55.399 --> 01:44:00.079 any journalist or give manages not to lie to us to discover the truth of 1101 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:06.560 the matter, there is a cat locked up here, then, but anyway, 1102 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:11.640 this is a maze of an intringulis that never ends. But the truth 1103 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:15.920 is, well, we need to. The bad thing about this is when 1104 01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:20.800 there is a regenerationist movement, as it was at the time. Apparently we 1105 01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:27.159 can then corrupted from also at the end and after other ways and went to 1106 01:44:27.239 --> 01:44:33.920 extremes and good and was lost in the olympus with absurd banalities. Politically speaking, 1107 01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:42.199 but at first it created expectations and then, even by citizens at their 1108 01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:47.079 best, such not, but then they have succumbed to the system, that 1109 01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:49.920 is, to those of the caste and criticized those of the caste, but 1110 01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:56.720 they became caste. And then the danger of all this is whether a radical, 1111 01:44:57.399 --> 01:45:03.439 but authoritarian, cross- cutting movement arises that can lead to an unwanted 1112 01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:12.079 political situation that is happening in Europe right now. He believes that the extreme 1113 01:45:12.359 --> 01:45:16.279 right through populism is spreading throughout Europe, not because of virtues of the extreme 1114 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:21.119 right itself, but because of defects in the democratic system. This is already 1115 01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:26.840 spreading in countries where there are many years of performance, such as in France. 1116 01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:31.119 France has a very powerful extreme right since the second match. In France, 1117 01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:36.880 at this moment, then he thinks new developments that have occurred as in 1118 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:42.319 Portugal the last elections. Then the government has had to leave the extreme right 1119 01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:45.079 party out, but with the complicity of the left, because by winning the 1120 01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:49.399 right, the left has had to turn away so that the extreme right did 1121 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:54.720 not accede to the government. In Spain, the extreme right is normalizing. 1122 01:45:55.439 --> 01:46:00.199 This is all populism. This is all some kind of nationalism that we should 1123 01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:05.520 turn away from. That is the terrible aspect of nationalism. We have to 1124 01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:11.319 think that we have experience in Spain. In Spain we have history worth and 1125 01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:15.159 history what tells us is that the last coup d'état that triumphed in 1126 01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:20.720 Spain one thousand nine hundred thirty- six was right- wing nationalism Nation Nine 1127 01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:25.359 right- wing populist nationalism. At that time there was no talk of populism. 1128 01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:30.720 We were at another time talking about protofascism, or traditionalism, etcetera. 1129 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:34.640 That is the correct language for that time. But what is happening today in 1130 01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:39.800 many nations of the world, the United States, with Trump, but is 1131 01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:45.039 that there are elections to the European Parliament or challenge the day after the European 1132 01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:51.079 Parliament elections can be the ultra- right, the most voted party in Europe. 1133 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:58.439 We are facing this situation, because it has grown throughout Europe. Before 1134 01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:03.079 there was here, but today that vote is everywhere. And that in part 1135 01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:09.960 of what it marks is a failure of the parliamentary system that is not managing 1136 01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:15.119 to respond to the needs of the people. And then populism comes to defend 1137 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:19.359 us the people. And we the people, because of course they rise before 1138 01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:24.800 a caste system, a system that does not understand what are the situations that 1139 01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:28.479 concern the population, that gives us answers to the sun to the needs of 1140 01:47:28.600 --> 01:47:32.359 the population And then the evil arises, because there is a rise of evil. 1141 01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:38.319 And this, but let' s see or challenge the day after the 1142 01:47:38.359 --> 01:47:42.560 election. Well, well, that' s worrying. But then we' 1143 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.279 ll see that the ultra- left is so dangerous. It also happens that 1144 01:47:45.319 --> 01:47:50.880 it is masked with one of its pseudo progress superse and so on, but 1145 01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:56.119 look last episode, the only yes, is yes, the fiasco, where 1146 01:47:56.840 --> 01:48:01.920 it is still favoring characters than Dani Alves and others and others who have committed 1147 01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:06.640 very serious crimes and so many others who have come out. It already means, 1148 01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:14.359 and with a kind of presumption, that we are the saviors of the 1149 01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:19.760 homeland in a free version, but it means that at the extremes and we 1150 01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:30.239 are surrounded by dangers and then a combination between the social democracy and the civilized 1151 01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:34.720 right. It seems to be impossible here in Spain, in Germany it has 1152 01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:39.199 not been so and in some countries, also in the Netherlands at some point 1153 01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:45.840 and elsewhere. But I mean, we can' t stand each other easily, 1154 01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:50.760 too. But it is good that God will never help us better then, 1155 01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:57.000 and we need policies. We' re going to call broad- spectrum 1156 01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:00.880 policies, because ultra- left and ultra- right policies are short- spectrum 1157 01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:05.760 policies. They are not for the entire population, but in some way they 1158 01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:12.680 are for very extreme sections of the population. Notice that the success of ultra 1159 01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:17.520 - left policies is not being very broad, just as the ultra- right 1160 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:23.800 is succeeding in Europe. It' s becoming a very big, very big 1161 01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:28.319 movement. On the other hand, the ultra- left is being very small. 1162 01:49:28.399 --> 01:49:31.680 At some point, Cinizza, in Greece seemed to have some possibility, 1163 01:49:31.760 --> 01:49:38.359 but frankly it is being swept away from all over Europe, perhaps less from 1164 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:41.119 Spain and in very few other countries. But, on the other hand, 1165 01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:44.439 the risk of the ultra- right, if it' s great, if 1166 01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:46.640 it' s true, if it' s for right now and we have 1167 01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:49.079 to keep a close eye on it. Yes, yes, well, there 1168 01:49:49.159 --> 01:49:56.000 are so many things to talk about that I say God help us, because 1169 01:49:56.119 --> 01:50:02.159 God another thing about the shortcomings of European politics is yes, the denominationality of 1170 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:09.239 the states and all that. But indeed secularization has eradicated God from our collective 1171 01:50:09.319 --> 01:50:17.479 projects. To God divinity, Christianity in its best version, in Christianity in 1172 01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:25.640 religious version, versus religious, but in its best version, which is Christ. 1173 01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:31.720 Sure, that all sounds self- pity to magic legend. For some 1174 01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:42.720 past historical episodes also undesirable. But it turns out that God’ s absence 1175 01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:48.319 in the daily life, in the lives of our peoples, is beginning to 1176 01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:56.960 feel true and feels very much. The problem is that we had Christendom in 1177 01:50:57.039 --> 01:51:00.199 some parts of Europe, but we did not have Christianity in Europe. In 1178 01:51:00.279 --> 01:51:04.000 Spain, for example, it was a country where everyone was Catholic. I 1179 01:51:04.039 --> 01:51:09.600 remember statistics back ninety- nine comma nine percent of Catholics in the country. 1180 01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:15.439 No And then it turns out that there were really no believers, there were 1181 01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:16.520 Catholics, but there were no believers. And here' s the problem. 1182 01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:21.520 When this has ceased to have prestige, when it has ceased to be the 1183 01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:27.359 central lane of society, when the central lane is occupied by other ideologies and 1184 01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:31.199 people are moving to these ideologies. Now we realize that Christians are very few 1185 01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:36.840 in society, that Spain was not really Christian. Spain has been a country 1186 01:51:36.920 --> 01:51:43.279 where religion has been imposed. But religion has never been proposed. There has 1187 01:51:43.279 --> 01:51:46.520 never been any attempt to convince people that they have always tried to impose and 1188 01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:51.760 clearly when you impose on one generation after another, a regulation that they have 1189 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:54.880 to accept. Yes or yes, like it or not, because this is 1190 01:51:54.960 --> 01:52:00.600 what causes a very strong reaction. Instead, we have other models of Christianity. 1191 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:04.159 Not all of Europe has been like Spain to us that Spain has very 1192 01:52:04.800 --> 01:52:09.239 little religious culture, very little, very little even when people who go to 1193 01:52:09.239 --> 01:52:14.239 the Easter professions ask what carambas are celebrating there. They know that step, 1194 01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:18.520 they know that other one too, and they don' t know what the 1195 01:52:18.600 --> 01:52:21.319 meaning of what they' re carrying on their shoulders, some of them, 1196 01:52:23.039 --> 01:52:26.479 or what they' re singing celebrating. It is not a country deeply uncultivated 1197 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.840 in terms of religion, because religious culture has never been practiced, people have 1198 01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:34.880 never been taught the contents. Before, at least sacred history was taught. 1199 01:52:36.119 --> 01:52:42.279 You remember that the schools studied sacred history. Yesterday I had a student in 1200 01:52:42.399 --> 01:52:46.399 a course I was giving is that I, I had memorized the sacred story. 1201 01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:50.000 I liked sacred history. But the first time I entered a church and 1202 01:52:50.399 --> 01:52:56.159 someone preached about the Old Testament of Coup to discover that all that had a 1203 01:52:56.399 --> 01:53:00.319 huge message. This is what they have not explained to the Spaniards that the 1204 01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:04.319 old and the new Testament have great content and is not only sacred history. 1205 01:53:05.319 --> 01:53:11.319 They are not the only comics from the past of nomadic shepherds there are in 1206 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:15.279 the Middle East, but it has to do with life today. These are 1207 01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:19.000 stories that have no meaning to us, and that is what has produced the 1208 01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:25.760 most advanced Europe, because the Europe of reform. The Europe that understood the 1209 01:53:25.880 --> 01:53:30.760 scriptures, the Europe that brought the scriptures to day to day, that Europe 1210 01:53:30.880 --> 01:53:34.359 of day to day. What it produced was a reform that was not only 1211 01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:40.079 a religious reform, but a reform in the cultural field, in the field 1212 01:53:40.159 --> 01:53:45.680 of law. It had an impact on medicine, on nursing, it had 1213 01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:48.920 an impact on all areas of knowledge. That Europe to which everyone wants to 1214 01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:55.439 come was not formed by the Christian. It was really formed by Christians who 1215 01:53:55.560 --> 01:53:59.359 took seriously what the scripture said, who led to day- to- day 1216 01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:02.000 practice and who changed the way they did, that is, democratic regimes. 1217 01:54:04.800 --> 01:54:12.319 Liberal democracy is a democracy created in countries where there was a very important substrate 1218 01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:16.239 of Christianity. That' s why sometimes they have to import it into Muslim 1219 01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:19.039 countries and it doesn' t work. Why, because there is no substrate, 1220 01:54:19.520 --> 01:54:24.439 because people do not have a substrate that allows them to establish a democracy. 1221 01:54:25.039 --> 01:54:29.399 In all Muslim countries, all Muslim- majority countries, democracies are fragile, 1222 01:54:30.560 --> 01:54:35.920 democracies are weak. Democracies leave much to be desired, understanding that ours 1223 01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:42.159 too leaves much to be desired. But democratic regimes in countries where Christianity has 1224 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:45.079 been strong are not comparable to those in countries where Christianity has been weak. 1225 01:54:46.399 --> 01:54:49.960 All the countries where Christianity has been taken seriously, where there has been reform, 1226 01:54:50.560 --> 01:54:55.920 are countries where today they preside over respect for human rights, respect for 1227 01:54:56.000 --> 01:55:00.000 the place of women, respect for all the collectives of society, even with 1228 01:55:00.079 --> 01:55:04.720 which we do not agree. Respect for all of them, because tolerance can 1229 01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:13.560 only be established with those you disagree with and are deeply tolerant regimes. I 1230 01:55:13.640 --> 01:55:15.880 am talking, for example, about Britain, Sweden, Norway, Finland, 1231 01:55:16.560 --> 01:55:21.119 Denmark, Germany, Iceland and in short, all of these have had a 1232 01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:26.720 very strong impact on the Swiss reform, for example, and all of these 1233 01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:30.960 regimes are today leading freedoms in the world, for taking seriously what the scriptures 1234 01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:34.960 say, things that we have never had contact with the writers of the Spanish 1235 01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:41.479 people. He' s never had contact with the scriptures. He has had 1236 01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:46.199 in touch with religion, but not with the scriptures which is what affects in 1237 01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:53.239 a transformational way the life of Martin Luther, that Augustinian monk who read was 1238 01:55:53.359 --> 01:56:00.159 professor of New Testament Chair and reading and rereading the New Testament and the Letter 1239 01:56:00.760 --> 01:56:04.039 to the Romans, when it seemed that he was always rhetorical. But one 1240 01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:13.279 day later justified by faith, not by moral works. We are unable to 1241 01:56:13.399 --> 01:56:16.560 pay God what is justified, for by faith in Jesus, of course, 1242 01:56:17.479 --> 01:56:23.439 we can have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. So, when 1243 01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:26.800 that opens your eyes and says well, this first gives you the need to 1244 01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:30.800 find yourself in the state of saying I' m morally lost. Yes, 1245 01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:32.640 I believe that God is somewhere, that God has expressed Himself in Christ, 1246 01:56:32.840 --> 01:56:40.319 and but that I am lost and I recognize that I am in fault with 1247 01:56:40.439 --> 01:56:45.079 God and then I ask God for forgiveness. I sincerely reconcile. I experience 1248 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:50.159 a conversion and that produces a total catharsis. That' s what happened in 1249 01:56:50.199 --> 01:56:58.000 the protest reform. That was the message. It was then politicized by several 1250 01:56:58.159 --> 01:57:05.039 political crosses in Europe. But the messenger was a transformational message and from there 1251 01:57:05.119 --> 01:57:10.119 on out. Now we are going to have an interview shortly with José Luis 1252 01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:15.720 Carrol Rovira about Protestantism in Europe. Next month we have an interview in the 1253 01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:23.800 train of life, and it is the transformation, the paradigm of not only 1254 01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:30.479 progress, of the advance of the modern age and to enter into what is 1255 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:34.840 rebirth, in the convergence that there was, but even the message of deliberation 1256 01:57:35.159 --> 01:57:42.640 through the encounter with God, that changes, totally changes the human projection. 1257 01:57:44.600 --> 01:57:47.159 I mean, we can talk a lot about this. Truth calls And there 1258 01:57:47.279 --> 01:57:50.760 ' s room because this has then continued to have an impact. For example, 1259 01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:56.279 a character like Roger Williams, who I love. Roger Williams is a 1260 01:57:56.399 --> 01:58:01.479 believer, solid, profound theologian and he is the founder of the first lay 1261 01:58:01.479 --> 01:58:08.640 state, the first state where it was not necessary to belong to a particular 1262 01:58:09.239 --> 01:58:13.520 religion to have all civil rights. He forms what is called the Providence Plantation, 1263 01:58:14.159 --> 01:58:17.199 which will then be the state of Rhode Island in the United States, 1264 01:58:17.319 --> 01:58:21.840 and then his theses are those that pass to the American Constitution, one of 1265 01:58:21.920 --> 01:58:28.199 the most democratic constitutions in the world. The world' s first truly democratic 1266 01:58:28.520 --> 01:58:31.880 constitution a hundred years before the French Revolution. Then I was thinking of another 1267 01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:36.760 Martin Luttero in Martin Luther King who leads the entire human rights movement for liberation, 1268 01:58:38.079 --> 01:58:45.159 for the equalization of racial minorities in the United States. Of course, 1269 01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:48.920 all this is having an impact throughout history. This has a great impact also 1270 01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:56.119 in South Africa on the completion of the departure of people like desmont Tou Tou. 1271 01:58:56.479 --> 01:58:59.960 All these people have a deep biblical conviction. It is their p o 1272 01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:05.199 ns biblical conviction that leads them to dismantle dictatorial regimes, to promote equality among 1273 01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:10.960 people. Of course, then this continues to provoke us. It' s 1274 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:15.359 one thing that happened five hundred years ago. We are five hundred years from 1275 01:59:15.479 --> 01:59:17.800 the beginning of reform, not reform. The reform remains in place today and 1276 01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:24.560 continues to have an impact today. But that is why it is very important 1277 01:59:24.960 --> 01:59:29.000 for us to realize that if something has transformed Europe and transformed it systematically, 1278 01:59:30.279 --> 01:59:35.159 revivals in Wales, revivals elsewhere in Europe, very important, revivals and elsewhere 1279 01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:42.840 in the world, in every environment in Latin America, Korea, in short, 1280 01:59:43.319 --> 01:59:46.039 outbreaks of biblical Christianity throughout the world, which have transformed societies, that 1281 01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:57.439 is, power, the greatest transformative power in fixed society. Compare with another 1282 01:59:57.479 --> 02:00:03.520 phenomenon, compare with the effect of Marxism, which also promised immense transformations of 1283 02:00:03.560 --> 02:00:10.399 societies. Look at societies where there is an impact of Marxism and how they 1284 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:15.199 have tried to get it off of it, because this was something that produced 1285 02:00:15.239 --> 02:00:19.479 the opposite of what I had promised. He promised liberation and only produced slavery. 1286 02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:26.000 Instead, Christianity promises liberation and frees people from their mothers. Of course 1287 02:00:26.079 --> 02:00:28.840 all this has to be turned around. We have to think in terms of 1288 02:00:28.840 --> 02:00:31.079 history, because if we did not think in terms of what has happened over 1289 02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:34.720 the last five hundred years, we cannot understand why the world is like this 1290 02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:43.279 today. Yes, yes, interesting reflections already before dismissing this interview to one 1291 02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:50.479 of the works of the biblical groups of graduates of GVGGBU, also that you 1292 02:00:50.600 --> 02:00:59.239 direct as national director, and also the talks manual and I want to appeal 1293 02:00:59.239 --> 02:01:01.800 to that because we are interested. I' m interested in this. I 1294 02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:06.439 believe that Christians committed to the truth, the truth of everything, the truth 1295 02:01:06.520 --> 02:01:13.880 of God, but the truth in the things of life, we would also 1296 02:01:13.920 --> 02:01:20.039 like the truth in politics so corrupt, with as much lie as there they 1297 02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:26.640 had, would come out almost all the Members with the noses of pinocho there 1298 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:32.520 to speak. But the reality is that the Christian at work is a very 1299 02:01:32.600 --> 02:01:38.039 interesting subject. Not we have thought that to reach other people with the Gospel 1300 02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:44.119 message, which changes lives, which has a wonderful redeeming power and so necessary, 1301 02:01:44.720 --> 02:01:49.399 but that we have had to go do all kinds of systems to hear 1302 02:01:49.520 --> 02:01:56.520 somewhere. But it turns out that we have a field of mission to Christians 1303 02:01:56.600 --> 02:02:00.399 that does not have to go unnoticed and is our center of work, not 1304 02:02:00.479 --> 02:02:04.640 only for our personal integrity in ethics, in the way we are natural, 1305 02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:11.319 but to be genuine true believers, confessors, as well as convicts in Christ. 1306 02:02:13.119 --> 02:02:18.560 Also the subject of all that is our professional work performance with the values 1307 02:02:18.720 --> 02:02:24.359 of faith And in a moment intentionally when there is a situation of a friendly 1308 02:02:24.439 --> 02:02:27.479 dialogue, is to tell people and you know what happened to me, I 1309 02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:31.479 want that testimony can also happen to you. It gets out of hand, 1310 02:02:31.760 --> 02:02:36.840 forgets us, we are not assuming it, because the Christian at work does 1311 02:02:36.960 --> 02:02:44.159 not take advantage. It is where we spend much of our life, exactly 1312 02:02:44.199 --> 02:02:46.479 where we spend more than half of our life. Wake up. We' 1313 02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:50.560 re going to spend between eighty zero and ninety zero hours working in life. 1314 02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:56.560 But that' s only in paid work, because then there' s the 1315 02:02:56.600 --> 02:03:00.359 rest of the jobs, because not only is paid work, but what we 1316 02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:03.800 do at home, what we do in associations, volunteerism, family care, 1317 02:03:04.279 --> 02:03:09.600 that' s all work. That environment is the environment we are in. 1318 02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:15.359 God has entrusted it to us Sometimes we talk about the first great Commission. 1319 02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:21.319 The first great Commission is not the one that Jesus entrusted to us at the 1320 02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:25.560 end of the Gospel to kill which is normally the one. The first is 1321 02:03:25.640 --> 02:03:29.640 when he made us human beings on the first page of the Bible Genesis, 1322 02:03:30.319 --> 02:03:32.399 chapter one, And there in verses twenty- six to twenty- eight, 1323 02:03:33.720 --> 02:03:39.640 God tells us to reproduce, multiply fill the earth or judge it and clear 1324 02:03:39.640 --> 02:03:43.399 how this is done. This is done through our daily work. Then we 1325 02:03:43.439 --> 02:03:46.840 have been sent to that mission, to the mission of working, the mission 1326 02:03:46.880 --> 02:03:50.840 of making this world a place where one can inhabit. And the now that 1327 02:03:51.159 --> 02:03:55.479 we are there, which is the place where God has sent us people, 1328 02:03:55.720 --> 02:03:59.199 is all day long wondering where God wants me to go, what I have 1329 02:03:59.199 --> 02:04:02.319 to do, and God answers us where I have put you. You' 1330 02:04:02.399 --> 02:04:08.920 re in this position, not because the head of administration or the head of 1331 02:04:09.359 --> 02:04:11.720 human resources or the head of the company hired you. That' s not 1332 02:04:11.880 --> 02:04:15.479 why you' re there. You' re there because God sent you to 1333 02:04:15.479 --> 02:04:18.800 that place. You are the person sent by God to bring the gospel in 1334 02:04:18.960 --> 02:04:25.680 the sense of transforming reality, of making reality transformed for good. Then you 1335 02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:30.720 are the one sent there for this and then we receive the second great commission 1336 02:04:30.840 --> 02:04:33.399 to go and make disciples in the place where God has sent us. And 1337 02:04:33.479 --> 02:04:38.720 of course, we all spent that lot of hours in our workplaces. We 1338 02:04:38.840 --> 02:04:44.439 have a natural contact with people. We are there to bless, bless our 1339 02:04:44.560 --> 02:04:48.800 businesses with our work, bless our customers, bless our suppliers, bless our 1340 02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:53.760 co- workers. That is the choice, that is, God has sent 1341 02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:58.680 us to bless, to do well where we are, to transform. Any 1342 02:04:58.960 --> 02:05:02.720 picture of evil that is seen, any expression of evil that is seen we 1343 02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:08.800 have to manage to make companies that serve the purpose for which they were created 1344 02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:11.800 in the companies. They' re not alone to win well. They have 1345 02:05:11.960 --> 02:05:14.960 to make money. It is not wrong to make money, but it is 1346 02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:18.199 not only the only objective, but with that objective, with what our companies 1347 02:05:18.479 --> 02:05:23.640 produce, people can live. People can live better with the services we produce, 1348 02:05:24.319 --> 02:05:29.560 with the goods we make, with the products of the field we produce. 1349 02:05:29.840 --> 02:05:33.479 All this is meant to make people live better. Therefore, when we 1350 02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:39.000 do this, we are fulfilling God’ s goal of making it possible to 1351 02:05:39.119 --> 02:05:43.520 live on earth. And this has an impact on the lives of people watching 1352 02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:48.479 us. People are watching Christians think, ask us if we have practical solutions 1353 02:05:48.640 --> 02:05:54.239 to the situations in which we all live today and if we do, the 1354 02:05:54.279 --> 02:05:59.079 truth is that we do. We are living them many times, but sometimes 1355 02:05:59.119 --> 02:06:01.560 we live them in silence. And what we have to do is bless people 1356 02:06:01.600 --> 02:06:08.279 by telling them what the experience is, how Christ has intervened in our lives, 1357 02:06:08.600 --> 02:06:12.560 how Cresto has changed. For good, the environment we work in was 1358 02:06:14.039 --> 02:06:17.880 thinking good. In the New Testament there are many, many allusions. The 1359 02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:23.119 apostle Paul himself, who is the great developer of Christian doctrine, for the 1360 02:06:24.560 --> 02:06:30.520 founder of the first Christian Eurasia communities that set the tone and have been recorded 1361 02:06:30.560 --> 02:06:35.399 in the New Testament, gives instructions on the moral, and spiritual, ethical 1362 02:06:35.600 --> 02:06:41.279 life of Christian communities, of believers in Christ, but he gives instructions on 1363 02:06:41.319 --> 02:06:44.800 life, on the ethics of work, on the family, on social relations, 1364 02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:50.079 even political of time and such and which is very practical in that. 1365 02:06:53.560 --> 02:06:57.279 But then I was remembering that man who was mad not and that Jesus, 1366 02:06:57.680 --> 02:07:02.840 the madman who went mad, that Jesus miraculously healed and because he was totally 1367 02:07:02.880 --> 02:07:09.319 alive in the tombs and was totally gone. But when he heals him and 1368 02:07:09.399 --> 02:07:13.279 that man returns to serenity, he recovers the sanity and clear that the man 1369 02:07:13.319 --> 02:07:15.640 says so I want to follow. To this man, this man has changed 1370 02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:20.520 my life and he tells you no b and tell yours how great things God 1371 02:07:20.600 --> 02:07:27.319 has done to you and this man was a neighbor of Decapolis, a group 1372 02:07:27.399 --> 02:07:32.840 of ten towns, and he began there to tell his people in the daily 1373 02:07:32.920 --> 02:07:41.319 life. Work is the daily life. So, let' s not miss 1374 02:07:41.640 --> 02:07:45.479 opportunities and by the way, I think there are even manuals and workshops and 1375 02:07:45.600 --> 02:07:54.199 seminars that you are teaching and have made true from GVU GBG very interesting materials, 1376 02:07:54.680 --> 02:07:58.880 such as a material that comes from the London Institute Ford Contemporary Cristianit and 1377 02:07:59.000 --> 02:08:05.239 the one that founded made in stot that is called transform your work, which 1378 02:08:05.439 --> 02:08:07.720 is a manual on eight lessons that last for a year. The meeting is 1379 02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:13.680 for small groups every month and a half. So there is a meeting and 1380 02:08:13.800 --> 02:08:20.039 then they can organize in their churches and have groups transform your work in the 1381 02:08:20.119 --> 02:08:24.640 church to make believers think what the world could be like, how it could 1382 02:08:24.760 --> 02:08:28.479 be the reality if we were present in the place where we work, how 1383 02:08:28.560 --> 02:08:35.239 we could take advantage of it Recently we just published another one called integrated, 1384 02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:39.479 also for small groups that one can organize in his church. With that material 1385 02:08:39.560 --> 02:08:45.079 everything is ready, they all have a support in videos and the videos are 1386 02:08:45.159 --> 02:08:48.399 free, you can even watch them. They are inside a web page called 1387 02:08:48.439 --> 02:08:54.800 Church at work point or Church at work RG and is transforming your work and 1388 02:08:56.119 --> 02:09:01.000 integrating and you can watch videos. All materials to be able to work. 1389 02:09:01.479 --> 02:09:07.000 The leader' s manual to be able to lead the discussions of the manual 1390 02:09:07.079 --> 02:09:13.199 group for the participant as well And that, then, serves mainly to make 1391 02:09:13.560 --> 02:09:16.720 an integration between my faith and the reality of day- to- day life 1392 02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:20.359 that I live in my workplace, in society, in the world of politics. 1393 02:09:20.720 --> 02:09:24.479 How I integrate these two realities so that they are not two separate realities. 1394 02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:31.359 And well, because we have a job there we' re also going 1395 02:09:31.439 --> 02:09:37.479 to have our annual congress from December 5 to 8, this year, it 1396 02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:39.760 ' s going to be in Malaga. For the first time we are going 1397 02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:45.039 to move to the south and we are going to have a congress on the 1398 02:09:45.159 --> 02:09:50.239 Christian professional and personal relationships, such as establishing fruitful personal relationships. As Christian 1399 02:09:50.319 --> 02:09:54.600 professionals, then we are working on many jobs such as helping young professionals who 1400 02:09:54.720 --> 02:10:03.119 finish college and begin the university world. That' s what we call the 1401 02:10:03.119 --> 02:10:05.920 transit project. There are groups in several places in Spain for those who are 1402 02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:13.479 leaving the university integrating as professionals, professional groups of psychology law, of company, 1403 02:10:13.279 --> 02:10:20.640 of directors in order to doctors, nurses right of everything. There are 1404 02:10:20.720 --> 02:10:24.760 professed groups. We are generating new groups of university professors, communicators, social 1405 02:10:26.199 --> 02:10:31.359 workers, etc, so that all of them, also in their specific field, 1406 02:10:31.600 --> 02:10:35.359 in their profession, can try to bring about transformation through their own work. 1407 02:10:37.720 --> 02:10:41.279 Those more things, but I don' t want to happen but just 1408 02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:43.680 tell you a little bit about what work is what' s interesting? Thank 1409 02:10:43.680 --> 02:10:48.439 you. Thanks also for that advance and for that provision, also through the 1410 02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:54.119 groups of GVG and GBU and all that material, even generously. But there 1411 02:10:54.199 --> 02:11:01.920 is also if you want direct information and to the lecture given to talks that 1412 02:11:01.439 --> 02:11:07.439 Yauma himself and his team give in workshops in local churches or in groups of 1413 02:11:07.479 --> 02:11:15.279 churches or leaders of evangelical churches, because you shake to the truth page of 1414 02:11:15.359 --> 02:11:20.680 GBU in GVG and request this type of lectures of how to talk to address 1415 02:11:20.760 --> 02:11:26.960 there malllenas, because you can do it from there with the relevant emails and 1416 02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:33.960 contacts, because there you are headed toponen contact on the GBU website and you 1417 02:11:35.119 --> 02:11:41.039 can contact us. There is what is called a team of trainers of faith 1418 02:11:41.119 --> 02:11:43.439 and work, that is a team of trainers that is in various places in 1419 02:11:43.520 --> 02:11:48.479 Spain and that they can give talks in any church. And so there' 1420 02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:52.000 s a good group. I myself am part of that group of faith and 1421 02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:56.720 work trainers and we can come and give a talk in your church, in 1422 02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:01.520 your association, anywhere, so that we can see work as something that is 1423 02:12:01.600 --> 02:12:07.199 your place of ministry. Thank you very much, Ya well, because for 1424 02:12:07.319 --> 02:12:11.439 me it is always a real pleasure and I believe that for our audience too 1425 02:12:11.439 --> 02:12:20.479 or listen to you and share this half trip, that time, that let 1426 02:12:20.479 --> 02:12:24.920 ' s say between seasons of life, because that little time that accompanies us 1427 02:12:24.920 --> 02:12:30.560 is always memorable. Therefore, thank you very much, dear Jauma, you 1428 02:12:30.720 --> 02:12:35.760 are a pleasure to be with the listeners once again and always willing to go 1429 02:12:35.760 --> 02:12:41.359 forward. Thank you for a hug all the time. Bye- bye all 1430 02:12:41.359 --> 02:13:11.560 the time. When I got out of the way, I got away from 1431 02:13:11.800 --> 02:13:22.520 you and it was so many questions my coransor asked me. At what point 1432 02:13:22.720 --> 02:13:31.399 along the way I stood I felt that I could not and I left you 1433 02:13:31.560 --> 02:13:48.079 and it was that so many words listened to me already your preres hr that 1434 02:13:50.279 --> 02:13:56.720 away from you and egg without explanation. I egg today running towards your phrases. 1435 02:14:00.039 --> 02:14:13.920 I beat you to your hamor egg, still satin me new, embrace 1436 02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:28.159 me your words. Then I' ll come back. At what time he 1437 02:14:28.319 --> 02:14:35.359 also believed that you gave up and left me, and I didn' t 1438 02:14:35.560 --> 02:14:45.720 count on your grace that and not my coranson. At what point along the 1439 02:14:45.920 --> 02:14:54.720 way I stood up I felt that I could not see you that and it 1440 02:14:54.960 --> 02:15:13.920 was plants the palantas. I heard it already your writing that left egg without 1441 02:15:13.920 --> 02:15:30.720 explanation. Egg I run towards your arms, I beat your love or absent. 1442 02:15:31.439 --> 02:15:43.479 Egg, I love your words. Fire here to my heart. I 1443 02:15:43.720 --> 02:16:16.640 can vote egg if I explain egg I run towards your arms, I hit 1444 02:16:16.840 --> 02:16:39.319 your bamboo see in your quiet. I play here in my heart. I 1445 02:16:56.440 --> 02:17:03.079 play until he comes closer than ever today. We invite you to the second 1446 02:17:03.239 --> 02:17:09.520 edition of this Interdenominational Congress aimed at the whole Body of Christ in Spain and 1447 02:17:09.520 --> 02:17:15.879 Europe, which will take place from 26 to 28 April at the Fira de 1448 02:17:15.879 --> 02:17:22.680 Reus, Tarragona. The international speakers Mariano Senewal, Benjamin Núñez and Marcos Brunet 1449 02:17:22.959 --> 02:17:35.040 will be with us. All waltran clear, wado bi bo plotted. For 1450 02:17:35.159 --> 02:17:41.760 more information, you can enter our wwwwww. Until he comes. It is 1451 02:17:41.959 --> 02:17:46.520 either writing to the six, one, six, eight, eight, one, 1452 02:17:46.799 --> 02:17:50.440 five, seven, one, six hundred, sixteen, eight hundred, 1453 02:17:50.680 --> 02:17:56.360 eighty- one, five hundred and seventy- one and consulting prices and registration 1454 02:17:56.360 --> 02:18:01.799 modalities. Don' t miss the opportunity to participate in this big call rate 1455 02:18:01.920 --> 02:18:07.840 until he comes. Until he comes, all that pruning sprinkles your home before 1456 02:18:09.479 --> 02:18:28.079 your glory and lowness and plotting well and every eye will see you traveling on 1457 02:18:28.159 --> 02:18:41.280 the train of life. We' re at Dr Rocca' s office on 1458 02:18:41.280 --> 02:18:48.559 the direct line. We have finally arrived with the desire to speak with him 1459 02:18:48.639 --> 02:18:52.319 there in his office America, here in the metropolitan area of barzona very close 1460 02:18:52.319 --> 02:18:56.200 to the city of the capital in Sardañola, on Red Cross Avenue, number 1461 02:18:56.399 --> 02:19:01.840 one, in a very central medical center. Sun there is our friend, 1462 02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:07.239 Dr Roca, who is our medical advisor and, in addition to other nuances 1463 02:19:07.399 --> 02:19:11.879 that speaks to us and we want to talk to him about the different pathologies 1464 02:19:11.879 --> 02:19:16.639 of blood, some of them, of course it is infinite and a little 1465 02:19:16.760 --> 02:19:24.120 morphologically, what is the component of blood so that we are aware of the 1466 02:19:24.200 --> 02:19:26.639 blood that tells us blood when according to how it is. No good, 1467 02:19:26.680 --> 02:19:33.879 well here we go good morning, dear friend, Doctor Roca Hello, good 1468 02:19:33.879 --> 02:19:39.719 morning, dear Julio, good day of audience the Dotor Roca. Something vital 1469 02:19:39.879 --> 02:19:43.959 in the human body is blood how much, how many liters of blood each 1470 02:19:45.040 --> 02:19:48.319 human being has in his body. Well, it depends on the size. 1471 02:19:48.600 --> 02:19:54.799 From the average it is calculated between four and six liters, but go is 1472 02:19:54.879 --> 02:20:01.520 something relative. Logically, there are huge people, there are little ones and 1473 02:20:01.600 --> 02:20:05.360 the blood is also proportional to the volume, but well, there are more 1474 02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:09.239 or less stops and work. It' s funny that if we lose the 1475 02:20:09.280 --> 02:20:13.639 blood, we lose our lives, because the blood the life of the flesh. 1476 02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:16.399 As the Old Testament says, in the blood it is in the sense 1477 02:20:16.440 --> 02:20:22.159 that blood what a mystery, which could be something else, but the blood 1478 02:20:22.159 --> 02:20:26.920 we take for granted, because it runs through our veins and has a What 1479 02:20:26.959 --> 02:20:31.280 are the morphological components of the blood. So well, the blood is composed 1480 02:20:31.399 --> 02:20:37.879 of several corpuscles or cells. Some of them are complete cells because they have 1481 02:20:39.000 --> 02:20:45.440 their core. Other ceudas, because they are incomplete because they have lost in 1482 02:20:45.559 --> 02:20:48.319 their production process. It' s their core, so there' s only 1483 02:20:48.319 --> 02:20:50.959 what it is. The cytoplasm and membrane, which are red blood cells, 1484 02:20:52.319 --> 02:20:56.079 in which white blood cells are whole cells, have their nucleus and then have 1485 02:20:56.319 --> 02:21:01.559 fragments, which are platelets. They' re cell fragments. And these platelets, 1486 02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:09.280 you know, have the function of hemostasis. They are the bricks that 1487 02:21:09.360 --> 02:21:13.639 the body will use when there is a loss of blood, immediately they will 1488 02:21:13.680 --> 02:21:18.360 adhere to the edges of the wound to repair, to cut that hemodaje in 1489 02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:24.760 an effective way. White blood cells. At the same time there are different, 1490 02:21:26.000 --> 02:21:31.719 different kinds. We have to differentiate them by their shape, by their 1491 02:21:31.920 --> 02:21:37.440 size, but fundamentally by their function, since there are a variety of functions 1492 02:21:37.559 --> 02:21:43.319 within these feudas that are highly specialized, from some that will secrete immunoglobulins others 1493 02:21:43.479 --> 02:21:50.479 that will proceed to attack foreign bodies, bacteria, viruses. That is to 1494 02:21:50.600 --> 02:21:54.799 say, we will have a fundamental part of the immomentary system of the human 1495 02:21:54.799 --> 02:21:58.159 being there. Apart from that, because, you say good is this and 1496 02:21:58.159 --> 02:22:05.719 there is no longer the blood that contains proteins, it contains proteins that many 1497 02:22:05.799 --> 02:22:11.639 of them are transporters of substances without which, without these prophecies that are acquired 1498 02:22:11.920 --> 02:22:18.760 from certain substances, because those substances are aggressive and could not be transported by 1499 02:22:18.840 --> 02:22:22.319 the blood stream nor cause harm. So they' re going to transport them 1500 02:22:22.360 --> 02:22:28.319 and they' re going to get that substance that' s needed. The 1501 02:22:28.440 --> 02:22:33.600 other point, how it can be a mineral, a metal, etcetera, 1502 02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:39.920 because it gets to its site and can do its function. Blood, your 1503 02:22:39.000 --> 02:22:43.319 honor, is a tissue, let' s say tissue. People say liquid, 1504 02:22:43.719 --> 02:22:48.559 but it really is a tissue, a surprising living tissue, like a 1505 02:22:48.639 --> 02:22:54.079 number of functions that even the sciences century ixuno continue to discover more and more 1506 02:22:54.200 --> 02:22:58.520 things about blood, what things I clear every time I think we save the 1507 02:22:58.520 --> 02:23:05.719 human body. It is something prodigious, the blood that is vital, because 1508 02:23:05.959 --> 02:23:11.319 if we bleed out, we die and, by the way, we take 1509 02:23:11.440 --> 02:23:18.840 the opportunity to appeal to all our audiences in so many cities that we can 1510 02:23:18.920 --> 02:23:28.319 generously collaborate with the blood banks, which always need a lot to care for 1511 02:23:28.159 --> 02:23:33.920 hospitals are oversaturated and blood transfusions are very necessary. Healthy blood. Of course, 1512 02:23:35.639 --> 02:23:39.719 the fact is that you see this as blood, which is a tissue, 1513 02:23:41.680 --> 02:23:46.479 vital fluid, but it is as if you see the eye, the 1514 02:23:46.559 --> 02:23:52.399 human eye with those faculties, or the ear or speech, the ability to 1515 02:23:52.479 --> 02:23:58.440 speak. I mean, we' re amazing. This is an engineering, 1516 02:23:58.239 --> 02:24:05.639 extraordinary divine engineering, Our truth, the rock, the truth is that it 1517 02:24:05.760 --> 02:24:11.239 is the human being, the human body, any living being, but let 1518 02:24:11.360 --> 02:24:15.920 us say as the culmination of God' s creation, the human being is 1519 02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:20.799 the wonder of wonders. And the more we know him, the more we 1520 02:24:20.799 --> 02:24:24.840 are amazed. And, well, day by day we are seeing new functions 1521 02:24:24.959 --> 02:24:28.559 in the blood of organs, in the brain, which for me is one 1522 02:24:28.639 --> 02:24:33.799 of the passions in understanding something, knowing, something more of the mind, 1523 02:24:33.159 --> 02:24:37.639 of the human mind, of the human brain, which is extraordinary in functions 1524 02:24:37.719 --> 02:24:43.799 and still so ignoble, so ignored, so unknown. But it is true 1525 02:24:45.000 --> 02:24:50.280 the idea that there is in some that we are the product of random chance 1526 02:24:50.360 --> 02:24:58.959 in time and space. Well, it is implausible, not only in mathematicians, 1527 02:25:01.280 --> 02:25:07.680 demonstrable by the theory of probabilities, but also by the special intelligence of 1528 02:25:07.879 --> 02:25:11.559 design so ingenious in all its mechanisms. Hence I believe that glory is to 1529 02:25:11.600 --> 02:25:20.399 him, because no one can really be amazed or look out at with the 1530 02:25:20.479 --> 02:25:28.120 slightest possibility of imitating God' s creation in the remotest place. That' 1531 02:25:28.840 --> 02:25:33.479 s right. We demand this with a loud public voice, because it is 1532 02:25:33.479 --> 02:25:37.760 a truth. It' s a clamoring, clamoring truth, dotro rock. 1533 02:25:39.000 --> 02:25:45.280 Different pathologies of human blood, but of course, there are many, but 1534 02:25:45.360 --> 02:25:50.000 what are the good times. We have, of course, when you suffer 1535 02:25:50.280 --> 02:25:56.200 from anemia or other diseases, a little more serious of a cancerous nature, 1536 02:25:56.440 --> 02:26:01.760 leukemia or something like that, but the most common ones which are good. 1537 02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:07.680 The truth. The truth is that there are a multitude of pathologies and thalitums 1538 02:26:07.200 --> 02:26:11.959 commented before how blood in turn has different cell formations. Each of them can 1539 02:26:13.120 --> 02:26:18.079 develop and develop, unfortunately, different diseases, as you said. Well, 1540 02:26:18.200 --> 02:26:26.719 leukocytes can develop different pathologies from a lack, a lack, an ideficit of 1541 02:26:26.200 --> 02:26:31.319 unitary system due to a decrease of eukocytes in one of their series or the 1542 02:26:31.440 --> 02:26:37.479 opposite, an increase in cancerous level and really, because to have a cancer 1543 02:26:37.520 --> 02:26:41.760 in the blood, which are the typical leukaemias, that also at the same 1544 02:26:41.799 --> 02:26:46.040 time there are different leukaemias, the haechudas, the chronic ones, that is, 1545 02:26:46.239 --> 02:26:52.520 a whole field that is, unfortunately, because we see occasionally and that 1546 02:26:52.520 --> 02:27:01.600 we have to refer hematology to the specialists at hospital level, because they require, 1547 02:27:01.920 --> 02:27:09.559 after expensive and very specialized complexes and sometimes with impressive expenses, in order 1548 02:27:09.559 --> 02:27:13.879 to be able to carry out that patient and give him a survival. For 1549 02:27:13.000 --> 02:27:18.479 many years or even to normalize your state of life. That in the white 1550 02:27:18.600 --> 02:27:24.760 series, in the red series, as you said, we can also have 1551 02:27:24.760 --> 02:27:28.280 different pathologies. The one you mentioned is one of the most frequent girls. 1552 02:27:28.920 --> 02:27:35.959 Anemia is a Greek term. You know what I think means is not Greek 1553 02:27:35.079 --> 02:27:41.040 denial and then it' s like we' re saying anemia that there' 1554 02:27:41.040 --> 02:27:43.840 s no blood. It' s not really that there' s no blood. 1555 02:27:43.000 --> 02:27:48.200 What happens is that the oxygen transporter protein, which is hemoglobin, is 1556 02:27:48.280 --> 02:27:56.200 low and when it descends below a few values, the subject of oxygenation and 1557 02:27:56.280 --> 02:28:01.920 the removal of detritus, monoxide, carbon and ugly two of the organism, 1558 02:28:01.159 --> 02:28:07.000 as it is seen, is altered and then the aniñas can be due to 1559 02:28:07.280 --> 02:28:11.120 lack of iron, due to lack of vitamin b twelve, due to lack 1560 02:28:11.239 --> 02:28:15.479 of pitofolic, because of a problem of the marrow where the blood is going 1561 02:28:15.520 --> 02:28:22.079 to form. That is, we can find many problems of formation, red 1562 02:28:22.680 --> 02:28:26.559 blood cells or also of loss. There may be a loss in the intestine 1563 02:28:26.639 --> 02:28:31.360 if it is a woman, because she has a thick monthly bleeding, a 1564 02:28:31.399 --> 02:28:37.760 hiter meno rea, a metrorrhagia. And so, then, also this woman, 1565 02:28:37.280 --> 02:28:41.680 because she will have problems secondary to her anemia, with her tiredness, 1566 02:28:41.799 --> 02:28:48.399 with her headaches, with her nervousness, with her depressed cases, and so 1567 02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:52.639 on. And also platelets that, although we do not consider a series because 1568 02:28:52.760 --> 02:28:58.319 they are cellular fragments. But also platelets can either by low or by excess, 1569 02:28:58.600 --> 02:29:05.920 also generate a pathology granules. There may also be the famous emiavera policy 1570 02:29:07.120 --> 02:29:11.360 which is the excess of red dobules and which will also give, as a 1571 02:29:11.479 --> 02:29:15.040 series of problems. It is an exciting and complex subject. In fact, 1572 02:29:15.079 --> 02:29:20.959 it' s a medical specialty to treat the blood shafts, because doctors say 1573 02:29:22.239 --> 02:29:26.399 first- line, which is where we' re exercising, because we' 1574 02:29:26.520 --> 02:29:31.760 re going to treat the frequent and the ones that are can be treated on 1575 02:29:31.840 --> 02:29:31.440 an outpatient basis, but there are others that aren' t. Others. 1576 02:29:31.520 --> 02:29:37.479 The patient must be referred to ultra- specialised hospital services, for better diagnosis, 1577 02:29:37.799 --> 02:29:45.680 for optimal caramba treatment. How many things, how much complexity, how 1578 02:29:45.680 --> 02:29:50.760 much prourity. But real is that we see them there from the part the 1579 02:29:50.879 --> 02:29:56.280 amazement of this part of the human being or this organic part, in what 1580 02:29:56.319 --> 02:30:01.399 has told us of other rock tissues, liquids in this case like the blood 1581 02:30:03.000 --> 02:30:07.680 component and some of the most frequent pathologies that there is, evidently, the 1582 02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:13.879 hematology and other special ones are dedicated to dealing with all these issues. But 1583 02:30:13.120 --> 02:30:18.159 speaking here, there is the paradox, the great Paradoxala, the blood of 1584 02:30:18.159 --> 02:30:24.079 Jesus, of Jesus, of Nazareth, of Jesus Christ, the son of 1585 02:30:24.239 --> 02:30:28.120 God, the God who became man, the blood of Jesus, who was 1586 02:30:28.479 --> 02:30:31.799 shed on the Cross in thirst for blood to the last drop of his blood. 1587 02:30:33.399 --> 02:30:37.120 Morphologically, it was blood just like ours. But there is a special 1588 02:30:37.239 --> 02:30:43.280 virtue in that blood, as an extraordinary power. In that blood you can 1589 02:30:43.360 --> 02:30:50.799 also talk to us as a theologian about this, which is also one of 1590 02:30:50.920 --> 02:30:56.799 your conditions. Theologian and pastor, well notice, there is a mystery, 1591 02:30:58.079 --> 02:31:03.559 not a mystery something we can only know if God reveals it. Science does 1592 02:31:03.680 --> 02:31:09.840 not reach even human understanding there. And that mystery is to try, to 1593 02:31:09.159 --> 02:31:16.879 understand, to try, because we cannot understand it that a person is completely 1594 02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:24.319 man and completely God and, at the same time, that he can exercise 1595 02:31:24.360 --> 02:31:28.120 in these two roles. We know that Christ has these properties. This is 1596 02:31:28.280 --> 02:31:31.440 all coming from a very old age. We have to go back to the 1597 02:31:31.440 --> 02:31:37.079 Book of Genesis, several thousand years ago, when God creates the human being 1598 02:31:37.159 --> 02:31:41.200 and puts him in an idyllic condition and then that man whom he calls Adam 1599 02:31:41.200 --> 02:31:43.319 to give his own name, but he is also the name of the species. 1600 02:31:45.440 --> 02:31:48.399 In a sense, we are all Adam, because we are all descendants 1601 02:31:48.479 --> 02:31:54.159 of the first man. That first man commits disobedience. We do not know 1602 02:31:54.239 --> 02:31:58.520 how long he was living in right order with God. It is possible that 1603 02:32:00.000 --> 02:32:03.120 he lived many, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds of years. We don' 1604 02:32:03.200 --> 02:32:05.639 t have an idea. Nor does the Bible explain us. But, well, 1605 02:32:07.000 --> 02:32:11.959 there comes a time when man disobeys and then, from that moment on, 1606 02:32:11.360 --> 02:32:16.920 man fails. God has given him, he had given him some responsibilities, 1607 02:32:16.280 --> 02:32:20.079 because God is sovereign, but man is responsible. And then the man 1608 02:32:20.239 --> 02:32:26.639 fails. And, well, it' s all coming, the whole plan 1609 02:32:26.639 --> 02:32:30.959 is coming apart. God had a project for Adam and for the species that 1610 02:32:31.440 --> 02:32:35.360 we are, which we derived from the first man. But that project comes 1611 02:32:35.520 --> 02:32:39.239 down at the very moment when man sins God surde was a second plan, 1612 02:32:39.440 --> 02:32:43.719 plan b a plan of urgency, if we can say so, so it 1613 02:32:43.760 --> 02:32:46.840 is the salvation of his creation, of his creature, of his adan and 1614 02:32:48.200 --> 02:32:52.520 what is necessary to be able to satisfy the justice of God, because God 1615 02:32:52.879 --> 02:32:58.959 is love, that tells us to turn away the Book of Gras and, 1616 02:33:00.719 --> 02:33:05.639 in a very special way, the Apostle John and his first Letter. But 1617 02:33:07.280 --> 02:33:11.520 it is also true that God is justice and God cannot live with sin, 1618 02:33:11.920 --> 02:33:15.600 with man' s disobedience. So how' s that gonna work out? 1619 02:33:16.159 --> 02:33:22.200 Okay. The only way to solve that is by eliminating man. Okay, 1620 02:33:22.319 --> 02:33:26.040 but if he eliminates man, the creation is over. So, God has 1621 02:33:26.120 --> 02:33:31.159 to incarnate. Jesus Christ incarnates in a man, in a perfect man, 1622 02:33:31.239 --> 02:33:33.559 the man without blemish, the name without sin, and he gives his life 1623 02:33:33.840 --> 02:33:37.680 for you, for me and for each one of us who have trusted and 1624 02:33:37.840 --> 02:33:43.120 believe in that salvation, by the blood of Christ shed by the Cross of 1625 02:33:43.120 --> 02:33:48.959 Calvary. He took my place, He took your place. And then it 1626 02:33:48.079 --> 02:33:52.719 ' s life in the blood itself. As you said quite rightly, life 1627 02:33:52.799 --> 02:33:58.959 is taken away. Already this is already prophesied also in the book of the 1628 02:33:58.079 --> 02:34:03.600 prophet Daniel that he should be killed by pestilence and in a lot of places 1629 02:34:03.719 --> 02:34:09.079 in Isaiah, in the Psalms. We see that this is something that was 1630 02:34:09.159 --> 02:34:13.479 already prophesied hundreds of years before it happened. And now we look back and 1631 02:34:13.520 --> 02:34:18.760 hundreds of years ago it happened. But all the sacrifices that the people of 1632 02:34:18.840 --> 02:34:26.719 Israel made for hundreds of years, sacrificing cows, oxen, sheep, stick, 1633 02:34:26.879 --> 02:34:33.760 dumber, etcetera, were symbols of the precious blood of Christ, which 1634 02:34:33.760 --> 02:34:39.840 is the only blood that really satisfies God' s righteousness. And, well, 1635 02:34:41.159 --> 02:34:45.040 that' s already happened and it' s not magic. The magic 1636 02:34:45.159 --> 02:34:48.559 thing people know about, either think about Harry Potter, or think about the 1637 02:34:50.079 --> 02:34:52.680 Crystal ball. This isn' t magic. It' s God' s 1638 02:34:52.680 --> 02:34:58.920 justice. The righteousness of God is ready to be satisfied, because Christ shed 1639 02:35:00.079 --> 02:35:05.040 His blood Calvary, being perfect, being righteous for sinners of whom, as 1640 02:35:05.120 --> 02:35:07.840 Paul says, good says he is the first. I' m gonna let 1641 02:35:07.840 --> 02:35:11.799 him exercise. I' ll take the second one. Psychics, but we 1642 02:35:11.879 --> 02:35:18.799 are all sinners and we all have to embrace ourselves if we want to continue 1643 02:35:18.920 --> 02:35:24.360 to live in harmony with God, this precious blood of Christ, because by 1644 02:35:24.360 --> 02:35:28.479 being washed, being washed in that blood, we are regenerated. God creates 1645 02:35:28.639 --> 02:35:33.760 in every believer the new heart and you know the, for example, King 1646 02:35:33.799 --> 02:35:37.639 Nabucodus not sun in chapter four of Daniel, who at the end of that 1647 02:35:37.760 --> 02:35:43.680 chapter, he recognizes God after a period of madness and a period of mental 1648 02:35:43.879 --> 02:35:48.959 alienation, and finally ends up recognizing God, and God puts in him, 1649 02:35:50.239 --> 02:35:54.000 says the scripture a heart of flesh, a sensitive heart, which is the 1650 02:35:56.559 --> 02:36:00.600 Holy Spirit, of the Holy Spirit that dies and each of the believers And 1651 02:36:00.719 --> 02:36:07.280 what makes us alive because we are sanctified by this blood of Christ, we 1652 02:36:07.399 --> 02:36:11.840 are saved and we have assurance notice. This is very strong. He' 1653 02:36:11.920 --> 02:36:15.799 s not up to me. If it were up to me, there would 1654 02:36:15.799 --> 02:36:18.280 be no chance. I' m sure. It depends on God and his 1655 02:36:18.399 --> 02:36:22.959 promise. He promises eternal life to all those who are in Christ, to 1656 02:36:24.079 --> 02:36:28.120 all those who have done again by faith in the work of Jesus. Well, 1657 02:36:28.200 --> 02:36:35.200 a perfect explanation and what a paradox one thing with the other. He 1658 02:36:35.280 --> 02:36:39.319 who committed no sin, as the scripture says for us, became sin so 1659 02:36:39.520 --> 02:36:43.399 that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. This, of 1660 02:36:43.479 --> 02:36:48.600 course, has a theological depth as well, but it is true. What 1661 02:36:48.639 --> 02:36:52.959 a great mystery that, through the virtue in the blood of Jesus, cleanses 1662 02:36:52.040 --> 02:37:01.879 the soul and forgives sins. This is something extraordinary and we experience it modestly. 1663 02:37:01.000 --> 02:37:03.840 How many years already, eh and what joy. And I tell you 1664 02:37:03.879 --> 02:37:07.000 that you and I are from the same fifth, as if it were before 1665 02:37:07.040 --> 02:37:13.559 yesterday, as if it were before yesterday, uh, yes, I feel 1666 02:37:13.680 --> 02:37:20.239 dear Julio, we have been following the Lord without interruption for forty and many 1667 02:37:20.239 --> 02:37:24.000 years. This is one if you' ll allow me to be proud of 1668 02:37:24.000 --> 02:37:28.040 something. I am proud of this, not that I am a good person 1669 02:37:28.120 --> 02:37:33.440 but that God is faithful to me every day and that every day God has 1670 02:37:33.760 --> 02:37:37.319 some lesson to teach me. You say well, forty- something years old, 1671 02:37:37.559 --> 02:37:39.760 no more you used to, for look not yet. No. The 1672 02:37:39.920 --> 02:37:46.120 Holy Spirit continues to work in my life and continues to seek my dependence on 1673 02:37:46.280 --> 02:37:52.079 him as well as on you I say, friend who listens to me, 1674 02:37:52.159 --> 02:37:56.680 God asks for your dependence on him, Not that we are pimps, that 1675 02:37:56.680 --> 02:38:03.239 we are intelligent, that we are skilled, that we are rich, that 1676 02:38:03.719 --> 02:38:05.600 we are powerful, because the only wise, intelligent and powerful is God. 1677 02:38:05.959 --> 02:38:11.639 In others, vanity of vanities, as Solomon said, all vanity and our 1678 02:38:11.879 --> 02:38:16.520 days are numbered and who can add, as Christ says, one day, 1679 02:38:16.920 --> 02:38:20.040 one hour. I was like a doctor, just a minute. When God 1680 02:38:20.120 --> 02:38:26.120 calls look, we can' t do anything but go. There' s 1681 02:38:26.239 --> 02:38:31.680 no alternative. And God is the one who holds the key to life and 1682 02:38:31.799 --> 02:38:37.360 death, and he tells us to choose life, to choose me April will 1683 02:38:37.360 --> 02:38:43.920 be, will be given in abundance and many people ignore him and by ignoring 1684 02:38:43.280 --> 02:38:48.559 him or mission erect death. It is regrettable, dear July, that, 1685 02:38:50.159 --> 02:38:52.920 having the possibility of having a harmonious life with God, as it was in 1686 02:38:52.920 --> 02:39:01.479 the beginning, people choose to turn away from God, to live in variety 1687 02:39:01.600 --> 02:39:07.680 from a position of highness and to miss the great measurements in this life and, 1688 02:39:07.239 --> 02:39:11.200 more importantly, in the other. So that and good, then, 1689 02:39:11.280 --> 02:39:16.239 that the truth that we were so happy and satisfied to hear these words that 1690 02:39:16.440 --> 02:39:20.959 surely make many people reflect, besides learning a little bit more about blood and 1691 02:39:20.079 --> 02:39:26.200 its genius in human creation, but also on the part of the eternal, 1692 02:39:26.879 --> 02:39:33.639 of God, eternal, but also the some pathologies, but also the virtual 1693 02:39:33.879 --> 02:39:37.959 power of blood, of virtual Jesus in the sense of powerful virtue, not 1694 02:39:37.040 --> 02:39:46.680 of a thing that is an unreal reflection of things, much less. Dear 1695 02:39:46.719 --> 02:39:52.799 friend, I send you a very affectionate hug and we speak to God shortly 1696 02:39:52.840 --> 02:39:56.920 through a good one, for it is a very strong hug and also happy 1697 02:39:56.959 --> 02:40:00.479 the whole blessing audience this July. Thank you, mate, so long. 1698 02:40:16.719 --> 02:40:37.120 If you want to visit our website, the life train of the evangelical churches, 1699 02:40:37.840 --> 02:40:43.680 a place of peace and friendship, you can freely attend the nearest evangelical 1700 02:40:43.760 --> 02:40:48.799 church in your neighborhood or your population. You will be, very welcome,