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And good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to People's Internet Radio. My

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name is Graham Hart. I'll be
your host for the next two hours.

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How are you? How are you
all? Are you well? Are you

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in good form? I've had a
strange day. Oh I have. I

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had a strange day. That's the
last time I go and get off as

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eggs. Anyway, I'll tell you
a little bit more about that a little

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Yeah. This world is bloody crazy. I am the god of hell Fire

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and I bring you fire the crazy
world of Arthur Brown. It's a crazy

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world. Indeed, folks, have
you been involved in the new five P

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for a plastic bag yet? Have
you done that yet? I've done it

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twice. I've been to the shop
twice. I've had the plastic bag thrust

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upon me twice, and I can't
say I'm very happy with it. I

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went to the shops on Sunday to
pick up one or two things, and

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this lady said to me, would
you want to five Do you want a

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bag to put that in? I
said, no, thanks, I'd rather

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eat my own flesh. And then
today I popped up the road to get

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some eggs from the local village store. Very nice. And my friend was

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in the shop and I said,
ah, Graham, he's called Graham as

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well. I said, are you
doing? But yeah, how are you

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fine? Yeah? I haven't seen
you for ages. Yeah, I'm okay,

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buddy. So how much is that? Will love? Yes? Blah

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blah blah blah. So he picks
up his few groceries and he said,

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oh, I'll have to get a
bag, and he gives the woman.

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He gives the woman a five ppence
for the bag, and it just pissed

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me right off, man, and
I just stood there and I just couldn't.

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I couldn't help it. Well I
could have helped it, but I

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couldn't, if you know what I
mean. And I just flicked the coin

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so it went off the counter into
a box behind which he good evening Jimmy,

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which he didn't take kindly to.
And she said, if you feel

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like that, she said, go
up troom. That was just another shop

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up. They will go up,
true, and go up there and get

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your eggs. You're not having one, mire so what you don't know what

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it's like. Don't you think about
those plastic bags and all the damage they

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could do to animals? I said, don't you think they could use paper

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bags and do away with plastic bags
all together. Do you know what's going

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on in Palestine? Anyway? From
that moment on, all hell broke loose

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and the language was atrocious, and
I apologized she was having none of it.

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So I don't know. I'm just
wondering if there's something in the air

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it's making everybody edgy and fall out. Have you noticed people are very edgy

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and fallen out? Because I see
that a lot of that around as well,

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you know, and it's just you
can't everybody seems to be on edge.

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Maybe it's just me. I don't
know. But moving on, my

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guest tonight, folks, is Chuck
o'ceelly. Now, this guy has his

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own radio show on American Freedom Radio
called the O'Kelly Effect, and I'm going

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to be contacting him right now and
in the meantime, I really do think

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there's something in the air. So, without further ado, ladies and gentlemen,

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a big, big, warm welcome
to my guest tonight, Chuck O'Kelly.

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Good you need Chucky? You there? Yes, sir, how are

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you tonight? Ah? I've been
better? Actually? Is it nighttime where

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you are that's the question. It's
nine o'clock. Yeah, it's thirteen thirty

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minutes past nine. You have had
better days? Have you ever had any

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problems? We've now got this thing
in this country and in Ireland as well

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that if you have to use plastic
bags now you have to pay for them.

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So if you don't bring your own
bag, you have to have a

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plastic bag from the shop, but
you've got to give five p towards charity.

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So that really pissed me off over
a couple of days, and especially

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day when I had a big fallout
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you know, it just became ridiculous. So I came away a little upset

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and I threw a few expletives at
her and she threw or flew back,

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and I wouldn't she wouldn't, I
wouldn't accept my apology, So fuck them

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all. You know. I'm having
one of those days. But it's great

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to talk to you, Chuck.
I did speak with you briefly on with

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Martin Farrell a few weeks back or
a few months back. I can't remember.

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How's things for you, brother?
Ah? Yeah, well I can't

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remember exactly how long ago it was
that we had that conversation as well.

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How's things here? Well, first
I'll relate to you what it's like with

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the plastic bags and most of America
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what they do is they encourage you
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if you do so, they give
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is you're purchasing. It's not much, right, something like sense. They

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give you credit toward toward your purchase, which is almost pointless. Yeah,

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you know, after all, if
you get ten bags, you get fifty

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cents off. And what can you
buy with fifty cents? Well, you

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might be able to mail a letter? I think, no, you can't

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anymore. Sorry anyway, But what
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know? And that's if you get
ten bags, And of course I never

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have the money to get ten bags, so when I go, it's ten

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cents, and what can you do
with ten cents? Well you can't even

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have this conversation on Skype, can
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So they've just done a different way
out there. Yeah, it's really been

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pointless. I mean, I'm sure
eventually we'll get to some place where they

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say that if you don't utilize your
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your own or whatever it is,
or if you don't purchase theirs. Oh

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that's the other thing. Of course, they always have a way for you

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to readily purchase a reusable bag that
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on it and things like that.
So you know how that goes, you

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know, and that's another dollar instead
of saving the five cents if you had

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already brought the damn thing. But
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that got to do with anything?
Well, it does explain to you how

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a lot of the world actually works
a whole lot of pointless bookkeeping and nonsense,

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so that you think you're getting something
out of the system that's presented to

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you, and meanwhile, what do
you get, Well, not anything of

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any real value, No, just
more and more lies. Yeah, more

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and more lies. Distraction. And
look at this, we already wasted more

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time on the air with the discussion
than it's actually worth for us to invest

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into the situation. And so there
you go. They win today on your

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show. They won, they won
today. But that's the end of the

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first ten minutes. Well that's what, right, we could have patted it

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a bit further. No, it's
it, honestly, chuck it just it

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dubbed my bloody aet in. This
is getting. All it is is just

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to put your mind off what they're
really doing, you know, Palestine,

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the Middle East especially, and all
the filth that they're getting up to.

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I've found it very interesting over the
last week. I've sort of done a

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bit of a test. I was
listening to a radio host in America.

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Are you aware of Charles Giliani?
Giuliani? I've heard of more than one

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gentleman with a similar name, so
you're gonna have to let me know which

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one we're talking about. Well,
this guy is very anti g Okay,

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that's a whole lot of radio hosts
in America. Not not the ones that

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have corporate content, you know,
contracts or anything, but a whole lot

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of what we call the alternative media
in America has very much turned to the

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rather extreme, vitriolic aside when it
comes to the Jewish question. Yeah,

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did I just use that phrase?
I sure? Did you know? Zionism

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becoming a very large issue among the
alternative media here in this country, and

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uh and and a lot of them
are extremely misled uh oh, now I'm

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going to anger some people. They're
extremely misled. And here's the thing,

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and I want to I want people
to take note of this. And it's

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something that I started to discuss with
with a couple of people that I consider

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in some way, in a peripheral
way, mainly my colleagues, because honestly,

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I don't want to be associated with
almost anyone else who opens up a

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microphone anymore. I'm tired of being
placed into the various compartments of stupidity that

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I hear being blasted out there.
You know, people that tell you that

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there's no left and right paradigm in
the country. But if you're going to

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support one side or the other,
I have one side that's better than the

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other, which means that all you've
done is waste my time. And you're

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yet part. You know, you're
you're just the answer to if you're disgruntled

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with the system, come over and
deal with the system from this angle,

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so that you feel a little better
about yourself and you think you're smarter,

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you know, kind of thing.
It's really ridiculous. But anyway back to

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it, I listen a lot to
the fact that people talk about the constructive

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Zionism. I listen a lot to
the people talk about how, you know,

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the essentially, it's not a question
of the new world order. It's

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not a question of the great corporate
entities that are running and destroying many things.

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It's not a question of this really, at the end of the day,

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it's all about the Jews. This
is what they say. And you

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know, it's eerily similar to what
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the late eighties as a much younger
man in this country, because well,

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there was a prolific white power movement. Now I'm not sure how many people

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are familiar with that over there,
but I mean you may recall that there

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was worldwide attention being paid at one
point to the Nazi skinheads and the once

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again re emergence of what we call
the ku Klux Klan in this country.

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Yeah, and the rhetoric not only
being based upon things like you know,

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the Turner Diaries, which is a
book of fiction, just as a reminder

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to the listener, which is a
book of fiction. You know, the

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Turner Diaries and things like this all
being propagated and sort of amalgamated into an

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alternative history that creates this idea that
the Jews run the world. I mean,

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that's really what it is. And
this is exactly the same rhetoric with

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exactly the same reference points that they
were utilizing pre Internet to recruit people into

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what we know as the white power
movement. Now, of course, America

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is not the it doesn't have the
exclusive on this thing. But I find

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it eerily interesting that the people that
claim to be alternative media at this point

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have been sucked into exactly the same
propaganda wheelhouse that the controlled hate groups in

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this country were. Let us not
forget that a lot of the hate groups

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in America were also infiltrated and inundated
with individuals who were federal agents for the

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most part, and were sent there
to distract the disgruntled people and create a

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separate kind of well, a separate
kind of psychology among them because in times

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of economic downturn, people get angry. I mean, that's just a universal

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truth that happens in every single nation
on the planet, you know, and

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they're really pushing it at the moment, and they're really starting to push it

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once again now in the days of
the Internet having come to fruition, some

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of the most popular traffic sites that
emerged to begin with, I mean,

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had a lot to do with racial
division, had a lot to do with

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exactly this kind of rhetoric and everything
else. But I find it interesting that

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the people that say that they have
nothing, you know, it's got nothing

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to do with race, it's got
to do with the Grand Conspiracy are telling

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you nearly exactly what those individuals were
telling you in the nineties, were telling

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you in the eighties. We're likely
telling you in the sixties and seventies.

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But in the seventies I was too
young, and in the sixties I didn't

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exist, telling you exactly the same
stories to evoke a response, or to

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provoke the disgruntled individuals around the country
into believing that they needed to assert their

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own power as a race in order
to crush the Grand Conspiracy. I see

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the same sort of motive unfolding again
in what is unfortunately called the alternative media.

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So it's one of those things that
bothers me quite a bit. Now,

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that being said, if you separate
out what is going on in Palestine,

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what is happening in the current nation
state of Israel, and you think

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about it in context with what is
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at this point. Well, we
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all being controlled by just those who
are Jews. No, okay, so

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right, keep that in mind as
we move forward. Well we do,

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because I've tried. You know,
last week, I got to be honest,

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Chuck. Everywhere I everywhere I look, everything seems to lead back to

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the Jews, whatever conflict, everything
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Jews. But leaving that aside,
I started calling them elite Jews. They're

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elite Jews and Zionists. I've gone
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ago, and then I started to
use in the word elite Jew. Interestingly,

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what happened was that I found out
that a lot of people skim read,

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they don't read all the words.
And the bad feedback I got,

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you can have it. You can't
attack the Jews. They missed the word

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elite. Now, as far as
I'm concerned, you can't say elite Jew.

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You have to go and stick with
Zionists, because anything other than that,

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then it seems like you're just to
tuck in the Jews. But do

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you think it's the Jews, just
the Jews onwell, I know, we've

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got the Zionists that work for them, the puppet governments. But when we

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get right down to it, Chuck, do you think it is the Jews,

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the Zionist Jews, not the Order
of Jeuce because there are so so

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many good ones. Now, I
would I wouldn't even make that assertion,

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you know, regarding who's a good
one, who's a bad one, or

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anything else. Just like any other
religious organization, you have all sorts of,

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you know, demonstratively evil things going
on. I mean, I don't

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know of one of these mainstream religions
that that doesn't have a bloody past,

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that doesn't have a stake in manipulation
when it comes to governments. I mean,

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the Catholic Church is a very easy
target, but I mean European history

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is riddled with the craters of destruction
from the Catholic Church, you know.

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And then of course, when I
explain that to some people who are very

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much stuck on the idea that Zionism
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well, you know, the Catholics
were essentially puppets of the Zionists,

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and this kind of is beginning to
make me a little crazy, to be

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honest with you, because this is
a very one dimensional answer to a very

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complex issue. And in my estimation, if if we can come to this

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conclusion rather easily, then it looks
to me more like what is being erected

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to keep us distracted from the true
controllers still, and I know that that's

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an unfortunate position to take. No, No, I welcome it. I

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welcome it. I'm glad that you
welcome it. But I got to tell

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you, I take a lot of
heat from people who are interested in alternative

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stuff. You're saying, oh,
you can't attack the Jews. I got

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to tell you, in America,
if you're an alternative media guy who isn't

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attacking the Jews, then they start
to accuse you of being bought and paid

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for by them as well. And
this is this is something that has gone

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on with me literally in public,
in private messages, people have accused me

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of being Jewish for not blaming everything
on them. They've stated that, you

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know that maybe I'm being paid by
these individuals all this other nonsense in order

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to protect my Jewish masters, you
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And you know, and every time
that comes up. I always say,

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well, I'd really love to know
where the checks are going, because I'm

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broke as hell, man, and
you know, help me out, tell

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me where I'm supposed to get paid
for what you're alleging I'm doing. No,

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I'm not about that. I see
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There is a lot more going on. Of course, it is extremely notable

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that as we begin to swing into
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elections. You know what did I
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or in the very early stages of
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on its way, which really it's
already been pre selected, folks. The

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game is over. It's already done. It's just that you don't know what

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the result is, just like any
other reality TV show. Unless you watch

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it till the end, you won't
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Did you notice that in each of
those situations, individuals who are supposed

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to be opposed to one another,
opposed to each other as parties, opposed

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to a whole lot of other things, each one of them seem to have

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to take a bow and state that
they would be very much about doing what

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was right regarding protecting Israel. Yeah, you know, why are American politicians

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who are supposed to be well pandering
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getting the highest office in the land. Why is it that they have to

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take the time to let you know
that they're going to support Israel. You

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know, there is not a large
enough block of Jewish voters in this country

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to really influence the election. So
you would think that if it were Jews

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that were concerned with Israel, you
know, that this would be something that

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would not be at the top of
their agenda. And meanwhile, this is

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nearly one of the first things that
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Nobody took note of this, and
I mean not alternative media people, not

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mainstream media people. I did,
you know? So sometimes I wonder if

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I'm the only one watching watching these
things. I don't know, you know,

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but you did you take note of
that? By the way, No,

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I didn't, No, I didn't
see it was missed. You know.

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It was the only country outside of
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nation, obviously, but the only
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long before the any of the selection
and yes, I do keep saying selection

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not election process actually get underway.
The only nation that these people are making

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public pledges to is the state of
Israel. No one bothers to note that

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there are plenty of other people that
are allegedly allies all over this planet that

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I'm very sure would like to hear
that the person who's going to hold the

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highest office in the land actually have
some interest in protecting, in supporting,

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in continuing a relationship with And meanwhile, Israel is the one that actually gets

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the airtime. Yeah, well,
have have they bought Congress? Well,

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bought Congress. A lot of people
have bought Congress, so you know which

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parts. I mean, it's a
grand scheme there too. Plenty of corporate

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entities have bought into Congress. We
do have an interesting phenomena here, though,

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where you have dual citizenship among individuals
in our government, where they are

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citizens of both Israel and the United
States. And that is not just in

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Congress, all throughout the higher offices
in every department of our government. It

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seems as though we have individuals who
have dual citizenship. And this phenomena is

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something that I do not understand.
And it's you know, it is not

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even with any sort of regard to
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I would not care if these individuals
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Okay, and just to make note
here, I mean part of my

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ancestry as a matter of fact,
the majority of my ancestry in reality is

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Irish. I would still not be
happy with the idea that people that are

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meant to represent my interests as an
American, we're pledging their allegiance to both

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the United States and Ireland at the
same time. Yeah, we've got deal

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citizenship here as well, many leaders
in that, and I don't there's not

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very many people that are aware of
it, that people have deal citizenship in

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the highest levels of government with Israel. Well, and let's take a look

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at that. I mean, in
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an oath when you take one of
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all of these individuals, you know, do swear an oath, which

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is an oath of allegiance essentially to
do what is right. You know,

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some parts of these different oaths.
And I'm making an amalgamation here, so

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don't quote me. On each one, but each one of these oaths,

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whether you're serving in the military,
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you're serving as a congressman, even
mayors, I mean, you name it

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a high office and office in this
country. Generally speaking, your oath includes

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things like adhering to the constitution of
the state or the country. Includes you

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know, defending the nation against its
enemies, includes doing what is in the

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best interest of the people. Things
like this you're meant to swear to.

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Now, if your allegiances are divided
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and again I'll bring up the concept
of if someone had Irish and American dual

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citizenship, which of course I have
no objection to. But here's the thing.

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I not an additional oath stating that
if you're going to serve as a

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representative of the United States of America, that there is a superiority clause in

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your job description that states that we
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if a conflict came up where let's
just say, again with the Irish thing

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as in play, and one was
to say, well, you know it,

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would it be in the best interests
of Ireland or in the best interests

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of the United States to do the
right thing regarding a decision you could make,

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you know, why not at least
make them also swear to an oath

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which has some sort of mechanism in
it by which one could be dealt with

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if they did not follow through on
their oath stating that they had to give

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priority to the United States in the
positions, the votes, the input which

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their office would allow them to place
into any given scenario, even if it

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were Ireland. Once again, let's
just say a trade deal were to be

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more favorable to Ireland than to the
United States. If you're a dual citizen

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citizen of those two countries, and
you hold an office in which you can

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have influence over this subject, why
would one not demand that someone's allegiances be

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extremely well governed by an agreement that
they signed. At least make them contract

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that they will give priority to the
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that's not even done. As a
matter of fact, this is almost a

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hidden idea and the most prolifically noticeable
dual citizenship problem I see in the United

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States and in other countries, but
in the United States especially is the dual

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citizenship with Israel. Yeah, you
know, and they're bumming the shit out

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of everybody. That's the problem.
Yeah. And when your country is funded

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them and my country is funded them, well, of course we are.

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And what they sell to the American
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in the Middle East which we can
depend on. Meanwhile, they're spying on

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us more than anybody else. Meanwhile, you know, they're causing you know,

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the anti American or anti Western sentiment
to continuously boil in the Middle East

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as a constant because we support these
people. And I mean I was talking

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to people about this twenty years ago
that had more of an attitude about it,

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you know, pre September eleventh,
reality, that had an extreme attitude

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about it that you know that one
of the reasons if the United States wanted

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to stop being hated, if the
West in general wanted to stop being hated

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in some of the places that it
was being shown that we had, you

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know, a lot of anti American
sentiment being publicly displayed, then one would

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think we would stop supporting the government
that is doing a great deal of damage

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to the people that are deciding that
this is something to be fought against.

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Of course, you know over there
and it's like, yeah, well what

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do you want? That's logic,
right, yes, you know, and

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it makes a lot of sense.
So why would why would you expect the

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government to do something that makes perfectly
good, reasonable sense. Yeah, there's

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no room for that anymore. I'm
just looking back at a few comments that

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have been made in the chat box
here. I know Lee one word,

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Lucifer, Well yeah, I know, and people I have have that idea

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as well. But again this is
an oversimplification. Okay, you know,

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I'm just trying to go back to
Stephen, Stephen Roberts, who you've you've

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spoke with, Chuck. It's been
on your show, and Stephen has posted,

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but they post so fast, and
here, folks, I've got to

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scroll back. I really need to
copy and paste. It's all right,

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Yeah, Steve, Steve Roberts,
you know, canceled the Cabal. I

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think he still airs on this network. He does, indeed, yep,

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on twice a week. I think
he's on Wednesdays and Sundays. Canceled the

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Cabal, right, And I've been
on his show, He's been on Mind

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Steve he's a good guy. He's
a great lot. He's uh, you

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know, and he's actually been helpful
to me in more ways than one.

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Anyway, I do appreciate it.
Don't know if that's a good thing that

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I let people know that, Steve, because by the time I'm done talking

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today, maybe they'll start to complain
to you. But but look, Steve,

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no matter what, I love you, right, I can't I can't

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find you. I can't find this. It wasn't a question, but it

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was a very good statement, Stephen. And I I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling.

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I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling, and
I can't find it. Brother,

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Well, take take your time.
One thing I can do is run my

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mouth if you need a minute.
It shouldn't it should have taken this long.

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I just lose them. They pump
him in this so fast. It's

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okay. But you know, when
it comes to the Luciferian thing, that's

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another thing. A lot of people, they have a very very deep sense

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of Christian paranoia, and believe it
or not, this all does roll together

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into one particular subject, which I'm
going to get to in a little bit.

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But you know, the idea there
are people in again the United States.

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I look at my own alleged fellow
countrymen first as to where the problems

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begin. You know, they're individuals
that identify themselves as Christians, who are

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constantly worried about things like the Luciferian
agenda, that are worried constantly about how

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they are essentially devil worshipers that are
taking over everything, you know, and

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that there is a war on Christianity, that you know, Christianity in and

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of itself is under attack, and
we're a Christian nation, and oh my,

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everyone panic because they're going to attempt
to bring Sharia law into the United

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States of America, you know.
And I ask this question all the time

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and people scoff at it. But
here's the thing. If we have a

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situation in the United States of America
where our own laws are not being are

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not being honored, are not being
actually prosecuted in any particular proper fashion,

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then tell me how the hell it
is. We're going to bring in a

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whole other system here, and you're
going to be afraid of that as well.

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What you should understand is that there's
a whole lot of corruption, and

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even our own existing court systems are
not legitimate at this point anyway, Absolutely

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absolutely I found Steven's comment. I
was on Chuck Show. I was on

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Chuck Show once and we had a
Zionist lever in the chat, and Chuck

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asked me the question of My response
was there are people on the planet that

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would never let the Jews run the
world. The Jews are a red herring,

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plain and simple, and Steven once
again very correct. It is the

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great distraction they are. They have
been historically an easy, an easy target,

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let's be honest, you know,
over and over again. And here's

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here's the thing. Now that this
is another point which I'll probably rile people

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up. But you know, those
that start talking about the hollow cost,

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those that start talking about whether the
number was really six million or it was

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six hundred thousand or whatever else.
History is replete with the Jewish people being

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under attack and being the scapegoats for
a great many things. And this makes

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a lot of practical sense, okay, because what happens is they're relegated to

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businesses which are quite off light.
Now. They are segregated by nature because

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of their religious practices, as are
most other religions. Let's be honest.

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But the thing is that the Jews
have been rather coherent about it throughout time.

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They kind of stick to themselves.
So when they're not suffering as everyone

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else around them is suffering, obviously, that whole well, gee, if

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we're all down in the mud,
why are they not down here with us?

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Immediately sentiment seems to happen, and
I mean for a couple thousand years,

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this has gone on in various places. It does make sense that people

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begin to turn on who is still
being successful despite the general atmosphere of the

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economy and things like this having gone
against them. With the people people generally,

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I find in life throughout life,
they don't want you doing okay,

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just don't do better than me.
Yeah, exactly, that seems to be

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the way of people. And that's
and that is we gie. You didn't

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bring religion into that discussion there,
did you. No, you just said

409
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.599
people, yeah, you know,
and and really, when you break it

410
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.200
all down, you know, a
lot of like I said, Christian paranoia

411
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:40.799
does fold perfectly into this concept of
the Jews running the world because of this

412
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.839
whole statement about the Synagogue of Satan, which which is you know, again

413
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:53.160
a cherry picked piece of material from
the alleged Bible that that Christians do grip

414
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:59.519
very very tightly with their white knuckled
hands very often. But you know what,

415
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.119
for the most part, find any
one of them that actually adheres to

416
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:08.440
their scripture in the most proper sense
and actually pays attention to what's in their

417
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:15.400
scripture, or has they even read
it. I defy nearly anybody to actually

418
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:22.200
have someone who has honestly read it
from an objective point of view and understands

419
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.920
what's in their scripture at all.
You know, an observation made by a

420
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:32.400
gentleman who I'm also doing another show
with. Now his name. They call

421
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.960
him the Greek. Yes, I've
seen that on your web page, and

422
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:38.559
yeah, so we also do a
show called ocell and the Greek, which

423
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.880
is a once a week thing,
aside from The Ocelli Effect, which is

424
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:48.039
my show all week. But when
we talk about these types of topics,

425
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:49.960
he says one thing which is extremely
profound to me, and that is that

426
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.279
no matter which one of these mainstream
religions you're talking about, there are not

427
00:31:55.480 --> 00:32:01.640
a single group of them that actually
obey their own scripture exactly. So find

428
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:07.400
me one individual who actually does what's
written in their in their book and will

429
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.359
begin to have a legitimate conversation about
their book. Yeah, that's that's that's

430
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.599
very good comment. But it's I
mean, if I'm looking at this overall,

431
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.559
and we we we take out the
the controversy, if you like,

432
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.799
its usury is the big problem,
is it not? Well that that's an

433
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.319
easy thing to point to, but
usury goes far beyond. I mean,

434
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:35.119
people can see and sort of conceptualize
the idea of the monetary system and how

435
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.200
that is run, okay, and
the fact that there's interest built in and

436
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.880
all these other things. The fact
is that when you take a step back,

437
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:50.880
the entire society does not and I
mean the global society does not function

438
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.880
in a proper fashion. We are
not functioning in a in a lawful sense,

439
00:32:54.960 --> 00:33:00.200
We are not functioning in a truly, uh you know, universally moral

440
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.119
sense. And when I say this, it's not just about the controllers.

441
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:13.559
It's about every one. You know. The participation of individuals who even believe

442
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:19.200
themselves to be outside of the system
in portions of the system is just a

443
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.519
you know, it's continuous act of
denial. You know, if there were

444
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:30.319
a poison being issued slowly to the
entire population that was killing everyone and you

445
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.079
needed a job. You know,
it would be acceptable for you to work

446
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:37.880
at the plant manufacturing it, because
you need a job in order to survive

447
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.400
for your family. But the end
result of what it is you're contributing to,

448
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.680
you know, is often left out
of the equation because it's not part

449
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.960
of your very limited sort of you
know what it is you can lay your

450
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:57.599
hands and eyes upon, and for
the most part, even among people that

451
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.720
seem to be alternative, and I
hate that word, I really do.

452
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.319
But if you want to consider yourself
outside of the system and you're still participating

453
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:10.599
in the system, guess what you're
still contributing to the problem. Of course

454
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:14.559
you are. Yeah, well,
yeah, I'm one foot in, one

455
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.159
foot out. That's all I can
say, right, And unfortunately, any

456
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.559
of us broadcasting has to at least
have a toe in the system anyway,

457
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.320
And of course otherwise we can't have
internet access. No, you know,

458
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:30.039
at the very same time, and
there's a train going by my house,

459
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.480
you could probably hear it, those
slow American ones, yes, sir,

460
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.480
those slow American ones that seem to
be going place to place and aren't carrying

461
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.119
people. But nobody knows actually what
they're carrying. Uh yeah, exactly.

462
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.760
But it's private. It's going back
to the money. It's it's the private

463
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:51.039
issuance of money which needs to be
removed. As what I'm saying, Chuck,

464
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:55.639
we need to Actually I know that
you're I believe that you're did a

465
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:01.679
lot on the JFK assassination, which
would great to talk about, but apparently

466
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:07.519
according to Dick Gregory, you know
Dick Gregory, Yeah, they don't over

467
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.920
this side of the pond. Actually, if you mentioned Dick Gregory, I

468
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.239
just founded by accident and I just
thought he was an amazing guy. But

469
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:23.760
there was an executive order that Kennedy
made in sixty one sixty two where Executive

470
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:30.239
Order one one zero where he was
going to take the power of the Fed

471
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.360
and put it back into the Treasury
and the government Treasury would control it.

472
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.440
And they reckon that that was the
reason why he was assassinated. I don't

473
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:44.079
know what your thoughts are on that, because you really studied this subject well

474
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.760
you know, and I hate when
that comes up, and I'll tell you

475
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.719
why. Unfortunately, you have yet
again another red herring in your hands.

476
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:59.400
And Dick Gregory has great intentions has
always had great intentions for those who don't

477
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.440
know who he was. This is
uh, this is a black guy.

478
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.320
And I say black guy because I'm
not going to sit here bothering with the

479
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:09.559
whole African American I only did that
out of respect because you know what here

480
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:13.679
it is. I hate the assumption
that's simply because someone's skin is dark that

481
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.199
they have to have hailed from Africa. And what's the damn difference? Anyway.

482
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.440
The reason why it's even relevant that
he's black is because he was doing

483
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:25.800
this in the sixties and seventies as
a comedian, as a as an outspoken

484
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:31.239
individual politically, et cetera, et
cetera, and found himself quite interested in

485
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:37.880
the assassinations in the sixties and what
they meant. And uh and greg Dick

486
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:43.440
Gregory means very very well. And
this idea about this executive order has been

487
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:50.119
bandied about throughout alternative information since there
was this modern revival of it. Uh.

488
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.280
You know, back to the days
when Bill Cooper was doing shortwave broadcasts,

489
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.679
he was talking about it. U. You know, Alex Jones and

490
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.920
the and the likes of him still
talk about it, and lots of documentaries

491
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:06.360
still talk about it. But you
know what the reality is. The reality

492
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.639
is this, It's actually an augmentation
of an earlier executive order. And in

493
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:16.440
essence, what it did was give
a pre existing ready, a pre existing

494
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.079
privilege of it of the executive branch
over to the Treasury Department. Is all

495
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.239
it did. That's the truth of
it. These US notes, which people

496
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:34.280
misidentify as purely soilber certificates, had
a particular purpose. Their particular purpose had

497
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.639
a lot to do with the amount
of silver which was allegedly being held by

498
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.519
the federal Reserve banks at the time. And it's a really complex issue.

499
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:50.559
But at the bottom of it all
is this the executive order that everybody references.

500
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.920
Try to read it. First of
all, it is publicly accessible at

501
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:59.960
this point. And guess what it
doesn't say what most people in the media

502
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.199
or trying to tell you. It
says, it's an augmentation of an earlier

503
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.480
order. Like I said, And
if you put the two of them together

504
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:13.360
and understand what happened, Kennedy essentially
turned over the mechanism by which the amount

505
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.079
of these things being printed would be
determined by his Treasury secretary, who at

506
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.960
the time was se Douglas Dillon Ce
Douglas Dillon was not somebody who was going

507
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.119
to fight the Federal Reserve in any
way, shape or form. In addition,

508
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.400
okay these things, a lot of
people alleged, well, they stopped

509
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.400
it right after they killed him.
Actually, they were printed all the way

510
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:38.519
up to nineteen seventy one. What
is significant about nineteen seventy one and why

511
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:44.400
they ceased to be printed at that
point, is because the United States removed

512
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:52.159
its very last vestiges of being involved
in the precious metals markets regarding this mechanism

513
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.519
in nineteen seventy one, when Nixon
removed us, you know, the very

514
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.840
last little bit of us from being
on the gold standard in the United States.

515
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.280
And they were printed all the way
up to seventy one. They were

516
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:08.599
also printed as far back as as
the nineteen thirties, which I personally demonstrated

517
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.599
by plucking these by plucking some of
these bills right out of the money supply,

518
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.880
because some of them still circulate to
this day. Monetarily, they were

519
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.480
effectively demonetized. But as with any
money that's old that survives, it still

520
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.400
carries its space value. But the
whole idea that this could be turned in

521
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.639
for silver is gone. And this
was actually done by Nixon in nineteen seventy

522
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:36.360
one, so it took him quite
a while to get around to demonetizing these

523
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.320
things, didn't it. You know. Also, if you don't believe me,

524
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:45.000
and I'll tell you what don't.
But if you think that a guy

525
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:50.239
named G. Edward Griffin had something
intelligent to say regarding the Federal Reserve,

526
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.840
you know, the guy who actually
wrote the book The Creature from Jackal Island.

527
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:00.920
If you think that he understands the
Federal was and might understand this issue,

528
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.679
then go ahead and enter into your
Internet search something called the JFK myth

529
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:13.639
right and G. Edward Griffin.
Okay, you'll find that over fifteen years

530
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:19.119
ago. G. Edward Griffin debunked
this, and still it's being bandied about,

531
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:25.920
And my own independent look at it
forces me to agree with G.

532
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.519
Edward Griffin. It is one of
those things. And I was tricked by

533
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:31.760
it for quite a long time too, because it made a lot of sense.

534
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:39.119
Now that all being said, JFK
was engaged in beginning to disrupt the

535
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:45.599
Federal Reserve. But you're not finding
very many of these documents being made public.

536
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.079
You have to search and sift to
understand that he wanted re examinations.

537
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.199
He wanted an audit. He wanted
an audit. Now, now everybody thinks

538
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:57.199
that Ron Paul came up with that
idea, but no, he actually wanted

539
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:01.800
an audit of the Federal Reserve and
did these documents are fragmentary out there,

540
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.599
you can find this, right,
I didn't know that. Like I said,

541
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.920
I agree with you there, Chuck. The first ire to it was

542
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:14.239
an audit was by rom Paul.
Right. But you know what happened when

543
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.679
Kennedy's death came in, a lot
of legislation was passed, you know,

544
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.519
based on the sympathy and all that. You know, the Civil Rights Acts

545
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.760
and things like that that were passed
under Johnson for the most part, were

546
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:30.360
drafted under Kennedy. And you know, pretty much the sorry to say,

547
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:35.920
the sympathy votes and things like that. This is what overtakes most historians regarding

548
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:40.639
what happened in the wake of the
Kennedy assassination. You know, Johnson would

549
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.800
have never had his great society.
Johnson would have also never had the power

550
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.360
to prosecute the Vietnam War the way
he did, you know, and Kennedy

551
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.599
was fighting a great many, a
great many very large monster machines here.

552
00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:00.840
Yeah, he was very much engaged
in conflict at the military industrial complex,

553
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:06.199
you know, he was very much
engaged in conflict with his own military.

554
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.960
They wanted to invade Cuba. They
wanted full scale military action in more than

555
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.639
one place in Southeast Asia in what
they called Endo China at that point in

556
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:22.000
time. They wanted, you know, stronger military action in Laos. They

557
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:28.239
wanted stronger military actions in nations all
over this country, Central America, South

558
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.760
America, parts of Africa. We
actually parts of Africa were more being engaged

559
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:40.119
by the intelligence community. The intelligence
community was also fighting with especially Post Bay

560
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:45.280
of Pigs, et cetera, et
cetera. So really there's no end to

561
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:51.079
the amount of suspects who would have
liked a piece of his ass bottom line.

562
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.960
But the Federal Reserve people point to
this as evidence that they are the

563
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:04.320
ones who actually controlled happened there when
he was publicly executed in Dallas, you

564
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.000
know, on November twenty second,
nineteen sixty three. And unfortunately this is

565
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.559
yet again another one of these very
very poorly understood leads. If you can

566
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:19.639
find me some other evidence that he
did something that actually got done. Okay,

567
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.920
that was actually completed, that caused
the Federal Reserve in any way,

568
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:29.400
shape or form to even you know, hiccup, let me know. But

569
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.599
quite honestly, he was preparing to
take them on, just as he had

570
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:38.559
already taken on the CIA, you
know, the military contractors, and not

571
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:44.400
necessarily on every level either, you
know, you know, he was certainly

572
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.039
picking his battles, and one of
the things that he was most occupied with

573
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:53.480
was trying to pry the CIA and
other aspects of the intelligence community away from

574
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:59.760
the military, because the incestuous relationship
was causing us all sorts of problems,

575
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.199
not the least of which was the
fiasco in Cuba, but also a lot

576
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:09.360
of misdirection and uh and and the
uh you know, and and misinformation regarding

577
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:14.280
what happened only three weeks before his
assassination. Uh. You know, if

578
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:22.039
it wasn't for the intelligence agency involvement
there in Vietnam, you know, the

579
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.280
the the whole thing that led to
the assassination of DM and new uh,

580
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:29.719
you know, the the presidents there
at that the president and his brother,

581
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.800
I should say, of Vietnam at
the time. You know, that whole

582
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.800
thing was because of agency interference and
what happened there, and we were still

583
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:44.039
attempting to withdraw from Vietnam, and
actually the Vietnam War would not have continued

584
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:49.440
past the calendar year in nineteen sixty
five had Kennedy lived right, you know.

585
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.599
And and that was in National Security
Action Memorandum two sixty three, which

586
00:44:53.639 --> 00:45:00.119
was immediately reversed, you know,
the the the draft was was started before

587
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:07.000
his murder and completed and signed immediately
following, I mean, before the dust

588
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:13.320
even settled on his gravesite. We
had a complete reversal of our policy in

589
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:17.719
Vietnam, which seems to me to
be a whole lot more a whole lot

590
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:23.119
more interesting regarding who it was that
wanted things changed by decapitating our government at

591
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:29.639
that time. But anyway, as
I said, there's a lot of this

592
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:35.320
out there though, regarding that and
a great many other issues where people have

593
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:39.880
found their way to certain facts or
factoids that they believe are legitimate. And

594
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:44.400
I don't blame them, except that
I do beg you to actually read the

595
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:49.280
documentation that people are citing before you, Yeah, before you make those kinds

596
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.679
of pronouncements. Yeah, it's a
plenty of Mindfield isn't it, Chuck,

597
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:53.800
Really, it sure is sure,
and it's meant to be that one of

598
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.800
course. Yeah, you know,
because once again, the biggest ploy here

599
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.039
is that let's keep them distracted from
the real story as long as we can,

600
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.880
because if we can do it long
enough, most people will be dead

601
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.280
by the time anybody figures it out, and who will care? You know,

602
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:16.760
that's so true, right down to
plastic bags. Okay, this is

603
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.239
Chuck o'chelli on the Graham Heart Show
and enjoying every minute of it. Chuck,

604
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:23.599
we'll take a little musical break for
about ten minutes, folks, if

605
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:27.639
you want to get in a cup
of tea or do whatever you gotta do.

606
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.880
We'll be back in ten minutes.
And I'd like to ask you after

607
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:32.960
the break, Chuck, a little
bit about Bobby Kennedy, if you could,

608
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.480
if you could give us some insight
on that. Oh sure, okay,

609
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.159
we'll see it. About ten minutes, folks, simply read if you

610
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.000
don't know me by now, preceded
by the pretender's brassing pocket and before oh

611
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:51.239
stop, we've done that, bastard. Excuse me, folks. Graham's got

612
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:55.079
to have this little fuck up every
week. I do sometimes click the shuffle

613
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button anyway. Welcome, But folks, I do stuff like that too.

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Oh good, Thanks, Chuck.
I with Chuck O'Kelly on People's Internet Radio

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Chuck, Welcome back. I was
just saying there before the break,

619
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.519
very interesting on what you're saying about
JFK. But I believe you've done a

620
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:31.239
lot of research into Bobby Kennedy as
well, which people don't know, they

621
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:37.639
know very little about it. Yeah, it's you know, it's a slightly

622
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:44.199
different subject because of course Bobby was
killed during his run for the presidency there

623
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yea in you know, which would
have been for nineteen sixty eight, you

624
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:57.920
know, and this was a much
more strange situation in that and you know

625
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.000
what it actually brings about the first, the first concept in the in the

626
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:07.599
mainstream media here of the of the
Middle Eastern terrorist almost because a man named

627
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:15.039
Sarhan. Sarhan was you know,
convicted of the assassination uh Et cetera,

628
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:20.559
et cetera. But there's been much
speculation ever since about what actually happened.

629
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And uh sure, I've even talked
to some of the people that were there

630
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:29.960
that night, examined films, obviously, talked to even talked to one of

631
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:37.000
the autopsis who was present. Uh, you know, and this and even

632
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.760
in even uglier issue, you know, uh than than Kennedy's assassination, because

633
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.000
this, although it was also in
public, it was you know, at

634
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:50.840
uh it was in the hotel.
I mean, I don't know how familiar

635
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:54.320
people are with all of this,
but the Ambassador Hotel there in Los Angeles,

636
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.679
California. Uh, you had a
situation where you had just given a

637
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.000
speed which you know, they had
just won the California primary. Yeah,

638
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:08.559
and he was then going to go
to Illinois next and and continue his run,

639
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.960
which you know, most people believe
would have been quite successful. And

640
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:20.039
of course his viewpoints. I dare
say, we're even stronger in the very

641
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.840
same direction as his brothers. But
we're even stronger. I think we We

642
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:29.760
certainly again would have had another cessation
of hostilities in Vietnam long before the mid

643
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:35.599
seventies. We would have had a
massive and market change regarding the out of

644
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:39.159
control intelligence communities. You know,
Bobby Kennedy was one of these people who

645
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.840
had for the most part, been
in opposition to even j Edgar Hoover's chickanery

646
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:51.239
on a domestic level. I mean, the entire you know, the entire

647
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:59.000
attitude of you know, of the
country, the entire you know, display

648
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.559
of what it is we were doing
on the world stage would have been would

649
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:08.440
have been so remarkably different had he
not been killed at the time he was.

650
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:13.360
But of course this is also just
a few months after doctor Martin Luther

651
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.280
King was killed of course, Demphis, Tennessee, which is another situation I

652
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:22.159
studied as well, because I see
these three assassinations and the uh, you

653
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:25.000
know, and and and actually a
few others that people forget to mention,

654
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:29.559
uh, you know, the death
of Medgar Evers, the death of Malcolm

655
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.079
X. Yeah. Uh. There
was a concerted effort in this country to

656
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:38.400
silence opposition to the establishment, essentially, and even if it was a somewhat

657
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:44.199
establishment opposition in some cases, you
know, like Bobby Kennedy was by no

658
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:49.599
means a you know, a wild, wide eyed rebel when it comes down

659
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.559
to it. But he was a
whole lot more interested in doing the right

660
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.559
thing for the people of this country
than then, I dare say any politician

661
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.679
that we see on the scene today, and and uh, you know,

662
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.119
even if you have a vague understanding
of what he was about, you know,

663
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.880
think about this, if if he
was standing on that stage with Hitlary

664
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.440
you know, uh uh you know
what was it a week ago? Now?

665
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:17.679
Uh? And yes I did say
Hitlary Clinton, if you know,

666
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.559
because I've got no love for either
side of this party, you know,

667
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.000
you know. And and the joke
of somebody like Donald Trump on the alleged

668
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:30.280
other side from complete. But let's
leave it alone. If you imagine that

669
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.079
that he was standing on that stage
with her, having accomplished, uh,

670
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.719
you know what he had accomplished,
and having been of the character he was,

671
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.360
uh, you know, tell me
who would even bother to uh to

672
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:47.360
talk to Bill's husband? Excuse me, wife, you know, tell me,

673
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.079
tell me, you know what it
would it have made any sense?

674
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:52.840
Or how about this? Do you
think would be in better shape if a

675
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:58.039
guy like John F. Kennedy was
in office today as opposed to Barack Obama.

676
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.159
Remember they're actually both a legedly on
the same side of the aisle.

677
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:08.800
Both were Democrats, allegedly. Actually, quickly going back to JFK, no

678
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.960
one's asking in the in the chat
box, what does your guest think about

679
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.000
James Files who claimed he killed JFK. That's new to me. Actually,

680
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:23.639
yeah, James Files, his real
name is Sutton. Studied that quite a

681
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:28.039
bit too, to see what kind
of validity there was. In my estimation,

682
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:30.840
He's not a he's not a reliable
witness of any kind and did not

683
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:39.719
participate in the assassination, especially given
the newer information, because forensic techniques have

684
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:45.280
changed, and you know, crime
scene investigation experts who have looked at this

685
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:50.760
from an objective point of view will
tell you at this point that there was

686
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:55.800
no forensic evidence whatsoever for a shot
from the Grassy Knoll having been the head

687
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:01.000
shot on JFK. And that's after
examining the the X rays and well the

688
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:07.480
bootleg autopsy photographs that have made it
out into the public because quite legitimately,

689
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:15.679
the autopsy photos, which the proper
actual autopsy photos, are held in a

690
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.079
special place with the National Archives where
you have to actually get permission from the

691
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.440
Kennedy family in order to view them. So any of these images that you

692
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.239
see out on the Internet or anywhere
else actually come from a bootleg set of

693
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:32.719
autopsy photos that were leaked out by
a secret service agent named James Fox at

694
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:38.480
one point. But anyway, all
of that aside File story is incongruous with

695
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:45.840
any evidence that we actually have and
is one of those unfortunate things that you

696
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.320
know, listen, I can make
a lot of claims about different things in

697
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:52.639
history. I mean, look,
I was in New Jersey on the day

698
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:57.920
nine to eleven happened. You know
what, I was actually in contact with

699
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.280
plenty of Middle Eastern people based on
the business that I was engaged in at

700
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:06.480
the time. I tell you,
quite honestly, you could easier draw a

701
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.920
correlation to me being an involved participant
in nine to eleven based on the official

702
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:16.599
story than you could drawing James Files
legitimately into the assassination. You know,

703
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:21.400
it's a lot of speculation, and
it's being pushed by one particular individual who

704
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.920
does profit off of the sale of
interviews and books. And there you go

705
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.199
surrounding this guy. Yeah, there
you go. There's so many in this

706
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.320
truth movement making money. You know. I stopped when I got to start

707
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:37.679
a pay Bucks to join your website
and things like that, likes of Deal,

708
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.679
Dean Clifford, et cetera. You
know, and I don't. I

709
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:45.840
don't begrudge anybody selling selling people any
fiction they want. I just wish you

710
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:51.519
would identify it as fiction. Exactly
exactly. Again, I got this from

711
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:58.719
Dick Gregory Chuck about the the shot
that actually killed him. Apparently there was

712
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:05.519
footage cut from the Zebruta film where
the car actually stopped, and he was

713
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:09.280
claiming that a shot came from the
drain Have I asked you this before when

714
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:13.039
I was on the Martin I can't
remember, you know, I don't recall

715
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:15.119
if you have, because I'm asking
this question all the time. Okay,

716
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:20.880
okay, and I'm not sure if
you did too. But you know,

717
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:25.039
people from all over the planet asked
me this question, and it's again not

718
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:29.000
a simple answer. I wish I
could give one. If you think,

719
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:35.000
though, that we're talking about a
shot from the street level literally the drainage

720
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.000
great and the you know, on
the curb there. Yeah, if you

721
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.719
think that that's what we're talking about, then I can give you a flat

722
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:45.360
answer that that's not possible. Okay, all right, now, if you're

723
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:52.719
talking about a shot from the drainage
system which ran you know, all throughout

724
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:57.000
Daley Plaza, which runs to the
Triple Underpass, and you're talking about the

725
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:00.960
possibility of a shooter disappearing into the
drain system over by the Triple Underpass,

726
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:07.320
which is the bridge which you see
the car go under. Yes, And

727
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.920
if you view the Jack Daniels film, you'll see that the guy's name was

728
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.800
Jack Daniel that actually shot it from
the other side of the bridge. If

729
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.719
you view that, you get a
better look at the bridge. But anyway,

730
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.760
if you note that there might have
been someone there that disappeared into the

731
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.840
drain I will give you that possibility
because of the forensics and because of the

732
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.679
lack of photography that would have captured
it and things like that. That's a

733
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.840
possibility, and a very good one
at that, especially again given modern you

734
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:44.280
know, forensic techniques like by somebody
like Sherry Feaster, who wrote a book

735
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:49.199
called let Me Think for a Moment, Enemy of the Truth, and there's

736
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.920
a subtitle to it as well.
But if you look up Sherry Feaster Enemy

737
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:59.599
of the Truth, she actually from
a modern cs I sort of perspective describes

738
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.760
for you, you know, exactly
how you can eliminate a whole lot of

739
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:07.719
these other scenarios. If someone shot
from the grassy knoll, there's a no

740
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.400
evidence for it, and b they
would have had to have missed unless they

741
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.039
were the one who struck Connolly Ye, which which again would be a weird

742
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:21.920
orientation and it's hard to believe.
But anyway, the scoring the head shot

743
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:28.239
from the grassy nooll did not happen. And if you again look at the

744
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:30.599
entirety of the drainage system, if
somebody was standing over by the bridge and

745
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:35.719
disappeared into the drain I give you
that as a possibility, and I think

746
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:40.599
that's actually where the person who scored
the kill shot would had to have likely

747
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.840
been shooting from. Yeah, it
seemed like that direction would sort of fit

748
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:47.880
in with the way his head went
back. It seemed like more you know

749
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:52.519
when I when I heard that first, I thought that that's the most sensible

750
00:57:52.880 --> 00:58:01.199
explanation I've listened to, because the
trajectory of the shot from from ad would

751
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:05.639
seem to make more sense than any
I've seen before. Oh my god,

752
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.639
we had so many to deal with, so again they're fucking with our heads.

753
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:13.639
Certain they they have through the years, and they continue to do so

754
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.039
now and about the Zabruterer film.
And this is always a touchy subject among

755
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:22.760
anybody who studies the assassination the Zubruter
film. Undoubtedly, in my mind this

756
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:27.760
now is my opinion based on a
lot of different examinations. And I've even

757
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.280
had this thing blown up so that
it could be projected in a life size

758
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:36.119
of fashion. Of course, my
copy at that time probably was not as

759
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:37.920
good as what you can get from
the National Archives. Now you can actually

760
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:42.760
obtain a forensic copy, but it's
pain in the neck and it's very expensive

761
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:47.320
of what's allegedly the original. Here's
the thing, the film has definitely been

762
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.880
altered. Even if you're someone who
doesn't believe in conspiracy in any way,

763
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.440
shape or form. There was damage
done to the film allegedly when it was

764
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:00.719
in the hands of Time Life,
so there have been parts of it excised,

765
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:06.599
for sure. Fascinating. The other
thing is that this idea of the

766
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:12.960
limo stop, yes, I do
believe, is a matter of a distortion

767
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:17.400
of memory. To give you an
example, you know, if you're involved

768
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:22.599
in an automobile accident, you may
have recall of a great many details a

769
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:27.000
piece of paper flying up off the
dashboard, you know, other things flying

770
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.840
around the car that normally your naked
eye would not pick up on because they

771
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.960
happened so quickly and we're not part
of your focus and all of that.

772
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.599
But if you had some sort of
warning and your adrenaline is kicked up,

773
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:42.559
you can almost actually feel as though
time was slowed down. And remember a

774
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:47.320
great many details about a situation that
lasted a second or two. Is there

775
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.920
a slow down of the limousine?
There certainly is, And you don't have

776
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.079
to look for excise frames of the
subruter film to see it. If you

777
00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:59.599
very carefully examine it, you can
see that break lights were applied. Oh

778
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.519
at one point, you know,
I never noticed that. Yeah, Actually,

779
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:09.400
if you pay very close attention,
you'll see that the lights do come

780
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:16.519
on briefly and there was definitely a
slowdown. Now is that a confusion of

781
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:22.599
the driver? Is that a reaction? Is that just the fact that he

782
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:25.800
was sort of slowing his role there
doing the eleven miles per hour, which

783
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:30.159
was against secret service protocols at the
time and still to this day. In

784
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:35.840
the vehicle with the president in it
was this you know, a lot of

785
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.880
speculation can be had from it.
But when it comes to the limo stop,

786
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:45.239
I say, you're looking in the
wrong direction, because again there is

787
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:52.280
no actual evidence for it. Eyewitness
testimony is always problematic, you can find,

788
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.960
you know, and they do this
even as a demonstration when they're showing

789
01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:00.519
you, you know, at least
they used to. In some law schools,

790
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.840
they would have someone run into the
classroom and do something rather abruptly and

791
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:09.639
run out, and then have each
person who was in close proximity to what

792
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:15.320
the person just did write their description
of what happened. And you'll find that,

793
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.920
you know, five people will give
you five different descriptions of what happened.

794
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:22.119
You know, one person notices the
shoes, another person, you know,

795
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:29.519
they'll give you the wrong race.
Everything. Eyewitness testimony is problematic in

796
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:32.760
this way. So I think,
again, this is one of those things

797
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.840
that's been harped on and sort of
produced, as you know, another grand

798
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:44.599
distraction, and not necessarily by people
that are engaged with that idea in mind

799
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:49.159
that that's what they want to do, but that is the end result of

800
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.199
what they're doing one way or another. And then again there may be people

801
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:57.000
who have nefarious purposes about keeping us
quite distracted, you know, because even

802
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.239
the Kennedy assassination at this point,
to go back the whole Jewish question,

803
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:06.119
yeah, and I said that phrase
again, Jewish question will tell you that

804
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:10.159
this was, you know, an
Israeli operation, and that he was assassinated

805
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:16.280
by Jews and meyer Lansky using his
connections in the mob is tied to it,

806
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:21.719
and et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. And this again is

807
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:29.559
you know, another grand distraction.
The mafia in this country and any organized

808
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:34.639
crime in this country does not have
the power well, not any organized crime,

809
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:37.840
excuse me, any of the organized
crime that you would normally identify as

810
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:43.119
organized crime does not have the power
to operate the cover up ever after,

811
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:47.039
which has occurred because more than half
a century later, we still have the

812
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:53.880
resistance of government agencies and entities of
all sorts to allow information to even be

813
01:02:53.960 --> 01:03:00.800
released to the public regarding the facts
of the case. Even as we speak.

814
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:06.400
And to give you a grand example
of that, even things that were

815
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:14.599
declassified previously have been reclassified regarding the
Kennedy assassination. Okay, and believe it

816
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:19.039
or not, there are documents that
you could have legitimately you know gotten a

817
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.320
hold of as a researcher which have
been reclassified. And here's the fun part.

818
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.039
If you call it the National Archives
and you say to them, listen,

819
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.400
I want to be in compliance with
the law, and I don't want

820
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:31.719
to be in possession of classified documents
and therefore be in violation of the law.

821
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:36.039
Can you tell me which ones I
should surrender back to you? They'll

822
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:40.320
tell you that they can't even give
you that list because it's classified. It

823
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:44.400
sounds like a joke, doesn't that, Graham? It is, but it's

824
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.679
real. And here's the other thing
that I always throw in there as well.

825
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:52.559
And let us not forget this.
Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in the eighteen

826
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:59.199
hundreds. A lot of people don't
know that there are documents related to Lincoln's

827
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:02.159
assassination, which, by the way, that wasn't alone. Nut. Let's

828
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:06.079
not forget that that even the government
must admit that that wasn't alone. Nut.

829
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:10.360
Despite the fact that people like to
say that John Wilkes Booth acted all

830
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:15.079
by himself, you know, there
were actually individuals hung for the conspiracy to

831
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.480
murder Lincoln. And I'm not even
saying that all of them were rightfully hung.

832
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:21.719
For the crime. But I'm saying
to you that they present that to

833
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:25.920
you as a loan nut scenario as
well. Well, guess what, folks,

834
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:34.480
there are documents related to the assassination
of President Lincoln that are classified at

835
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:38.480
this particular time. As I speak, I will stays that way until we

836
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:43.480
get there. Yeah. Well,
but how long does it take? I

837
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:47.280
mean, no one is alive from
the Lincoln assassination, probably their children wouldn't

838
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:51.920
be alive from the Lincoln assassination,
and yet the truth is still withheld.

839
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.360
Yeah, so you know, just
something to keep in mind. That's all.

840
01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:00.440
Well it is. I've certainly I
think the last twelve months have been

841
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:04.960
mind blowing. People say, I
think someone said in the chap box you

842
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.000
know, you know, it doesn't
matter, it's in the past. Yeah,

843
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.519
I take your point there, fair, But at the same time,

844
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.719
we have to know the truth before
we can move forward. If we don't

845
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.880
know what mistakes we made before,
we're going to make them again, which

846
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:25.079
really I want to fast forward and
fast backtrack a long way really or not,

847
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.000
but back to the Second World War, I don't know. I don't

848
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:32.719
know if you've watched the film The
Greatest Story Ever Told? By Adolf Hitler,

849
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:40.079
the greatest story ever told Chuck Dennis
Wise film. I'm not sure if

850
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.239
I recall exactly that when I've watched
a lot of films. Okay, so

851
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:45.960
you know, Okay, you would
know if you'd seen it, because it's

852
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:51.159
six and a half hours long,
so you would have remember. But he

853
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:57.400
exposed some quite amazing facts of that
about Hitler that that blew me away.

854
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.599
So you have no I don't know
what your thoughts were about the Second World

855
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:05.880
War, who started it and why
it was started. Well, again,

856
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:14.719
we're not being given the truth,
you know. And to give a little

857
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:18.280
bit of credence to those who are
not necessarily Holocaust deniers, but those that

858
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:24.199
question the Holocaust, you got to
say that that accuracy being given to us

859
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:30.199
regarding that entire scenario is not something
that you can rely on. First of

860
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.360
all. Secondly, I look at
the fact that people credit someone like Fritz

861
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:38.480
Tyson or Tiessen, depending on how
you want to describe how you want to

862
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:42.880
pronounce his name being credited. Sorry
about that, Sorry about that. It's

863
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:45.679
my faults, the problem. I
thought we were going to be interrupted there

864
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.800
now again my fault shit broadcasting.
Caryl and Chuck, Sorry, no problem.

865
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.840
You know, when people want to
credit Fritz Tyson or Teason with being

866
01:06:54.920 --> 01:07:00.400
the main financier behind the Third Reich, they failed to understand that there is

867
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:04.719
a great deal of finance which has
not been accounted for. We do find

868
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:10.239
later on that, you know,
that there were many American concerns that were

869
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:16.519
actually supporting the Third Reich directly.
Yeah, okay, uh not not the

870
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:19.400
least of which was what, you
know, the Bank of New York there,

871
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:25.000
which of course a guy named Prescott
Bush was actually sitting on the board

872
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:30.199
of thank you very much, and
a whole lot of other interesting players,

873
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.719
you know. And the thing is, I think that the truth regarding any

874
01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:41.360
of this stuff has has has yet
to have been fully revealed. It seems

875
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.800
to me as though, and this
is my overall conclusion about it, is

876
01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:48.840
that the United States government uh and
and the United's and and business people,

877
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:55.679
let's say, the industrialists in the
US very clearly UH supported, profited from

878
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:00.679
and uh and and quite honestly gave
a great deal of the fuel in a

879
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:06.039
literal sense and inter figurative sense,
to the rise of what people call the

880
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:11.280
Third Reich at this point. And
then they cashed in on their investment later

881
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:18.279
by taking people back through things like
Operation paper Clip and other recapturing mechanisms that

882
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:24.039
allowed us to take back Nazi scientists, that allowed us to take back psychiatrists,

883
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:30.239
psychologists, you know, the the
intelligence community, people that we could

884
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:33.960
gather, anything we could gather as
a result of what we had cultivated with

885
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:38.720
the Third Reich, it seems to
me, was brought back to the US.

886
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.720
And I mean Berner von Braun was, you know, part of our

887
01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:45.439
space program after being you know,
after working on the Nazi rocket program,

888
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:49.760
the V two and all that,
which which was part of what well,

889
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:54.800
what terrorized London for a bit there, didn't it? Yeah, you know,

890
01:08:54.960 --> 01:09:00.279
and this guy being folded into our
space program and everything else. You

891
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:03.920
have, you know, various individuals
that you can trace back, and I

892
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:08.960
bet you there's a whole lot you
still haven't heard about that that came in

893
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:14.800
to influence things in this country,
like psychology, like pharmaceuticals. You know,

894
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:17.000
let's not forget that. It's you
know, the Bare Aspirin company who

895
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:23.239
developed something called heroin. Yes,
I said, the Bear Aspirin Company developed

896
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:28.439
something called heroin in order to what
helped to deal with people that were addicted

897
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:30.600
to morphine. It was meant to
be a way to get people off of

898
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:35.039
morphine. I kid you not,
that's just the thirty version of morphine,

899
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:39.359
isn't it? Well pretty much?
Isn't that funny? It's all you know,

900
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.279
opiate based crap. Yeah, you
know. And then you look at

901
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.920
people like the Rockefellers profiting off of
things like methadone, clinics and g isn't

902
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:53.760
drug addiction and the pushing of drugs
really more of a corporate and government occupation

903
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:56.960
as opposed to you know, the
street dealers that they like to show us,

904
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.239
you know, in reality, I
mean, they got to get it

905
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:03.760
from somewhere, not all of mona
poppy field. But anyway back to it,

906
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:08.479
World War two is one of those
things that is still in need of

907
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:15.000
dissection because there is a great deal
that has been hidden from us. You

908
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:18.640
know, the occult aspects of what
happened are some of the things. And

909
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:23.159
now now it's like, okay,
now he's gone off the rails because you

910
01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:27.560
know, the whole idea about them
searching for artifacts and all that other stuff.

911
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.760
I mean, what are we talking
about Raiders of the Lost arc here?

912
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:34.640
Chuck, Well, guess what,
there's more sometimes a fact in fiction

913
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.479
than you might want to imagine.
Yeah. Absolutely, and they put it

914
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:42.640
in the films for us, and
they sure do, they sure do.

915
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:45.159
They always give us hints. Yes, yes, So I'm finding out.

916
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:50.720
So I'm finding out. I could
talk about Hitler for hours. But as

917
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:54.239
you've not seen that film, Chuck, I have, as you've noticed,

918
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:57.920
to drop you the links and I've
dropped them again into the chapbox. Folks.

919
01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:00.079
That's the greatest story never told.
Adolf Fitler, I big a part

920
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:03.920
adalp Phitler, the greatest story I
ever told. And Dennis Wise new work,

921
01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:10.039
which is Communism by the back Door. And Dennis will be back in

922
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:13.760
a very short while, Chuck,
with the last into the well into the

923
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:17.840
last half hour. Now, currently
we moved to the present and your views

924
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:24.479
on what's going on in the Middle
East and especially Palestine. Palestine for me,

925
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:30.680
is the great opportunity if we don't
stop what's going to happen in Palestine.

926
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.600
I mean, the place is probably
got what four or five years at

927
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:38.439
the most, and what's going on, the violence that's going on now.

928
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:43.479
We can only do it through this. If you're not going to use alternative.

929
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:47.399
I got to say this form of
media, what are your thoughts on

930
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:53.319
how we can we can break these
bastards down? Because this, you know,

931
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:57.720
it's a it's collective punishment. Where
do where do we go with these

932
01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:01.920
people? Then? To me,
it is the greatest opportunity we've ever had

933
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:08.520
for freedom if we can all put
our stuff down and concentrate on Palestine.

934
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:12.119
As Fairport said earlier in the chat
room, it's about now. Well,

935
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:17.119
there's nothing more now than Palestine.
These people are suffering horrific crimes against them,

936
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.399
day in day out for the past
sixty eight years, and if we

937
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:25.920
can concentrate on that, then maybe
maybe we can move forward. That's why

938
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:28.840
I think I think the Truth movement
for one of a better term, needs

939
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:32.239
to concentrate on Palestine more than anything. I don' want your thoughts our Chuck,

940
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:39.119
Hello, Chuck. Oh that's nice. My stream's not gone down.

941
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:43.199
We go there, we go,
We're back. Yeah, what are you

942
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:46.680
saying that? What are your thoughts
now on the best go forward on Palestine?

943
01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:51.119
Because I believe this is the greatest
opportunity we've ever had for freedom.

944
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:57.880
If we can crack the Palestine nut, all right. Well, I'm going

945
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:00.399
to say again, what is not
going to make me very popular, but

946
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:06.279
I believe that this is the reality
that we're confronted with. It is not

947
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:10.880
the most criminal state on the planet, but it is certainly being supported by

948
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:15.239
every other criminal state, so might
as well be the most criminal state on

949
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:21.279
the planet. Yeah, there are
the evidence points to this. As far

950
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:27.039
as I'm concerned, we are actually
not going to see a cessation of this.

951
01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:32.720
The overlapping, you know, sort
of acquiescence from all of the supporting

952
01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:38.359
cast of characters has led to this, and I think that what you're really

953
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:42.439
going to see as an acceleration of
the slaughter, You're going to see an

954
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.960
acceleration of the hostilities there. And
at this point of time, it is

955
01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:53.760
already essentially a done deal. And
the odd thing is that for the most

956
01:13:53.840 --> 01:14:00.039
part, the majority of the masses
do not understand the amount of bloodshed and

957
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:03.720
uh and and and the amount that
has already gone on, you know,

958
01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:10.239
of punishment to these people that you
know that we're there to begin with.

959
01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:13.479
You know, that was sixty eight
years now, that's the five years before

960
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:17.239
I was born. Oh yeah,
it's crazy, it's crazy, but it

961
01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:21.319
is getting more horrific at their every
day It certainly is. But I mean

962
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:27.439
the truth is that that as bad
as you think it is now, yeah,

963
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:30.920
it's I do believe it's going to
accelerate. Well, it will do

964
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.520
with the greater, the Greater Israel
project. I mean, that's that's taking

965
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:39.560
place right now in Syria and in
Yemen. Oh yeah, well you see.

966
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:44.560
And that yet again is integrated with
other problems which we don't hear about

967
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.079
Yemen. That we don't hear about
Yemen, that that's not mentioned, that

968
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:51.960
half the country, half the population, does no water and six million are

969
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:55.600
starving. We don't. We don't
hear nothing of that, not even in

970
01:14:55.640 --> 01:14:59.560
the alternative media, right, we
don't hear about it at all. And

971
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:03.439
this is something that I said about
sometime last year. I said, look

972
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:09.359
to that to be the next big
problem, because that's you know, we

973
01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:13.000
heard about it briefly, that Yemen
may fall. That was it in the

974
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:16.319
United States, and then it went
away. But this all has to do

975
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:24.039
with our engagement in Iraq Afghanistan.
Are again poking the stick at the caged

976
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:29.159
animal that is Iran, which we
are greatly responsible for the condition there as

977
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:33.479
well. Ever since the nineteen fifties. We are greatly responsible for the condition

978
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:40.399
of Iraq, We are greatly responsible
for you know, Afghanistan. Not the

979
01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:44.640
same kind of player as these others, but we are greatly responsible for all

980
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:45.920
of this damage having been done.
And when I say we, I do

981
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:50.920
mean the United States. And so
long as we continue to engage in this

982
01:15:51.039 --> 01:16:00.319
behavior, we're really playing with some
tremendous fire, you know. And what

983
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:04.000
is unfortunate is that I do believe
we're going to see at some point the

984
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:11.279
formation of a more organic version.
We have the European Union, we've heard

985
01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:15.119
about the American Union. But I
do think that you're going to see a

986
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.520
formation very very soon of individuals who
are sick and tired of this game being

987
01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:25.279
played by all sorts of foreign entities
in the Middle East. And when they

988
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.319
do it, they're going to put
together something that we're not going to be

989
01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:31.439
able to handle from the West,
and they're going to have a very legitimate

990
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:39.279
sense of outrage and desire for vengeance
against those who they feel have punished their

991
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:45.479
entire populations for far too long.
Notice. I did not mention the concept

992
01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:50.000
of the Muslim question. It is
very, very far flung from that it

993
01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:56.319
is now becoming a regional question.
Yes, where if these individuals decide to

994
01:16:56.359 --> 01:17:02.359
work together to deal with us actively, you know you're going to have a

995
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:06.800
massive conflict which is going to get
out of control very very quickly. You

996
01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:11.399
know, the bulcanization of Araq,
which nobody even wants to look at,

997
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:15.600
has done a whole lot more damage
than you might think. And meanwhile,

998
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:20.279
who has actually benefited. I'm having
a great deal of trouble figuring that out.

999
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:26.960
Back to the Israeli and Palestinian question, Sadly, I've got to tell

1000
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:32.439
you this, you ain't seen nothing
yet. That is why it is so

1001
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:38.319
important to focalize just on Palestine.
We have so many problems. I mean,

1002
01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:41.720
my god, I don't know where
to start. That's just with day

1003
01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:45.520
to day problems of child stealing,
pedophelia, child trafficing, corruption. I

1004
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:49.279
mean, if you go back to
the thirdies when the mob gave you protection,

1005
01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:54.119
money out there, chuck, and
at least you've got protection. You

1006
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:58.760
don't gaddy with this lot you've signed
up with. That's hysterical. Because I

1007
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:00.840
know a little bit about the history
of the mafia as well, and you

1008
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:04.680
know I say this all the time, and people laugh. But the truth

1009
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:09.840
is, you know, at least
when you paid the Italians or the Russians

1010
01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:13.359
or the Chinese, you had a
good chance that, you know, you

1011
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:16.079
might actually get something for your money. Yeah, you know, they might

1012
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:19.359
not let your shop get burned down. And in fact, you know,

1013
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:24.600
if you were in a neighborhood with
one of these with one of these guys

1014
01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:29.600
who was a prominent member of one
of these groups, whether they be LC

1015
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:33.800
or they be you know, the
the Russians or any of them, basically

1016
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.920
you know you lived in one of
the safest neighborhoods in that city. Baby,

1017
01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:41.800
that's the truth. But you know
what, nowadays, you pay protection

1018
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:45.680
money and you get nothing for it. It's actually not something that you even

1019
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:47.640
decide you're going to pay or not
pay. It's just taken from you in

1020
01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:53.600
the case of taxation, and look
at what it's bought. Nothing. You

1021
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:58.720
know, more corruption. It's just
more corruption, more and more corruption.

1022
01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:01.800
And it does make me want And
this also does give a lot of credence

1023
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:06.960
to those that talk about the concept
of Zionism being an important player when it

1024
01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:11.680
comes to the Grand Conspiracy that does
not care for us, the people,

1025
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:15.520
us, the population I've got to
give them a credit where credit is due.

1026
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.439
When you take a look at the
fact that all these other criminal governments

1027
01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:25.800
are feeding into this one very small
criminal government over there, which would most

1028
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:30.520
likely collapse if it did not have
the support of all these nations all over

1029
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:33.520
the planet. Well, you know, it does make you wonder why that's

1030
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:39.880
happening. And like I said,
it's really bizarre to watch these clowns in

1031
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:45.760
our alleged presidential selection process have to
pledge their allegiance not even to this country

1032
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.720
right away, but the first mention
of their desire to make sure that they

1033
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:54.880
work on the behalf of the people
or a nation, is to Israel in

1034
01:19:54.960 --> 01:20:00.159
these live broadcasts. Right It's rather
bizarre, and it almost seems like,

1035
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.880
you know, again, and I
point to this and people think I'm anti

1036
01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:08.800
Christian for it, But you know, those that think that armageddon is an

1037
01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:15.439
inevitability, and those that believe that
that a worldwide cataclysm that must be a

1038
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:19.920
grand war across the planet must come, you know, as a result of

1039
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:26.000
their Savior returning, I find it
interesting that that they quite often do things

1040
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:30.840
to provoke that result, as opposed
to waiting for God's schedule to get around

1041
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:34.119
them, because this is really what's
happening. I mean, if you have

1042
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:39.479
you know, if you have a
massive acceleration and you take a look at

1043
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:44.680
these these regions, like like Persia
and ancient Assyria and all of these things,

1044
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:47.840
and you overlay them on the modern
map, you'll see that the Western

1045
01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:56.039
civilizations are screwing around with exactly the
areas that that are mentioned in the Biblical

1046
01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:59.199
text. Of course, I'm sure
they didn't bother to read the Biblical text,

1047
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.560
but let's just say they did for
a moment. You know, you

1048
01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:04.800
couldn't map it out any better than
what they're doing right now. No,

1049
01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:10.159
it's absolutely perfection, and the Greater
Israel project is well and truly underway.

1050
01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:15.520
That's that's planed for all to see. There was Soul puts in the chat

1051
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:20.359
box, putin, might halt,
might halt Israel. Well, I've seen

1052
01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:25.760
a couple of an article a couple
of days Soul that showed them Putin and

1053
01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:36.119
Israel doing flights exercises, doing flight
exercises over Syria. So I think we

1054
01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:41.000
can say goodbye to mister Putin.
I don't think he's you know, he's

1055
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:45.399
one of the mob. Anyway,
Well, he's just another elite that that

1056
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:49.640
has a particular ego. You know. People forget that this is one of

1057
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:54.640
the richest guys on the planet too, you know, And what is his

1058
01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:58.159
stake in the game. Who knows. But I dare you to find a

1059
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:02.079
nation, you know, that is
far separated from Israel, that's not being

1060
01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:08.119
attacked by Israel, that isn't giving
it money, that isn't giving it some

1061
01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:13.279
sort of support, that isn't giving
it technology access to allowing it to spy

1062
01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:15.880
upon them things like that. You
know, it's perfectly excusable for them to

1063
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:20.399
continuously spy upon us in this country, although they're allegedly an ally of ours.

1064
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:27.159
You know, once again, it's
just I don't know why it is,

1065
01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:31.600
but it's being The great mess is
being fed. And I'm telling you

1066
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:36.840
that what we've seen so far,
as reprehensible, as repugnant, as absolutely

1067
01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:45.760
despicable as it has been, it
is merely the very beginning of what is

1068
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:48.920
yet to come. And it's going
to come a lot faster than people predict.

1069
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:54.159
I think in the next five years, we're going to be talking about

1070
01:22:54.479 --> 01:23:00.520
this particular day, this particular type
of time, as almost a time peace

1071
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.680
in that region as opposed to what
they're about to do. Yeah, but

1072
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.239
the way of Palestine will be the
way of the world. That's the trouble,

1073
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:10.560
and people can't see it coming.
Oh yeah, but it won't necessarily

1074
01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:13.479
be the Jewish task masters that are
going to do it all over the planet.

1075
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.960
There are many people waiting to do
this. Yeah, and you know,

1076
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:21.920
and and you're correct, though,
this is exactly the kind of treatment

1077
01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:28.720
that's going to come upon any population
that that really just wants to hold on

1078
01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:32.439
to what they have and uh and
and be themselves in their own lands.

1079
01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:35.119
This is why I think it's so
important that we keep it at the top

1080
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:41.279
of the agenda. People won't see
that, they can't see it at the

1081
01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:43.840
moment, but it will be the
way of the world. If these are

1082
01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:47.680
the only people on the planet,
folks that are not controlled by the Zionists.

1083
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:54.000
Well true, But unfortunately when people
ask me what the solution is,

1084
01:23:55.199 --> 01:24:00.000
I don't have one. Because even
if I could, if I could wait

1085
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.880
a magic wand you know, and
and control things in my own country and

1086
01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:10.520
suddenly make my own country lawful and
moral overnight, guess what, even if

1087
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:15.920
you took America out of the equation. Israel is still being fed by a

1088
01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:19.960
great many other individuals all over the
planet, and the purposes. All I

1089
01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:25.439
can think of is that, you
know, people want to see the great

1090
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:28.800
conflict there. They want to see
it because they think it's part of the

1091
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.680
plan and they think they're on the
side of good in one way or another

1092
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:35.159
by bringing it about. This is
the only this is the only reasonable thing

1093
01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:40.439
that I can see. And therefore
we're dealing with a psychosis that that I

1094
01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:44.520
can't fully comprehend. No, but
we we can call them in under their

1095
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:47.079
own rules. I mean, they
are. They are in breach of Article

1096
01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:53.920
thirty three of the fourth Geneva Convention
for collective punishment against the Palestinians. And

1097
01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:57.000
on that, and on that alone, they should they should be brought to

1098
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.439
the Hagen and probably hanged, which
every way you want to take it.

1099
01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:04.600
But all countries, our governments are
in breach of the Geneva Convention Article thirty

1100
01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:11.079
three collective punishment. These people have
been walled in since two thousand and seven.

1101
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:14.479
Is are two thousand and eight,
and they're still there. Nothing can

1102
01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:18.760
get in, nothing can get out. It's a crazy situation. So our

1103
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:24.720
governments need to be called to account
on that one issue alone, and I

1104
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:27.840
think we need to concentrate on that
one issue alone if we're going to do

1105
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.840
anything. If the way of Palestine
will be the way of the world,

1106
01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:35.600
but the way of Palestine, if
we win, then we're free. Yeah.

1107
01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:40.199
But see, here's the thing.
I would love to believe that.

1108
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:45.159
But if that were the case,
then all I would need to see is

1109
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.399
one thing, and that is a
guy like Tony Blair and a guy like

1110
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:51.319
George W. Bush both need to
be made to make the purp walk to

1111
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:57.760
the fact that they participated in war
crimes in Iraq, absolutely in Afghanistan.

1112
01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:01.319
But at this point it's a joke. It doesn't even matter anymore. You

1113
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:05.760
know, war criminals everywhere, and
none of them wanting to prosecute each other.

1114
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:11.760
This is the condition we find ourselves
in because the prosecutors are not in

1115
01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:16.439
the pockets of the villains. They
are the very same villains anymore. And

1116
01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:21.119
unless we come up with a new
solution to this, the old ways of

1117
01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:26.079
doing business are not going to address
it. You know, I constantly have

1118
01:26:26.319 --> 01:26:30.399
a guest on my program who was
a witness at Abu Grab and people think

1119
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:32.039
it's a lot of jokes where people
had bags put over their head and they

1120
01:26:32.079 --> 01:26:36.079
strip guys down naked. But that's
not the total truth of what went on

1121
01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:41.000
in the prison system of a rock. There were people burned alive, bones

1122
01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:45.000
broken, you know, and as
young as fifteen and sixteen years of age.

1123
01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:50.680
There were you know, individuals brought
about to have organ failure, you

1124
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:56.079
know, through the torture system that
was erected. You know. And this

1125
01:26:56.159 --> 01:27:00.680
is I'm calling out the United States
government on this because they calling it the

1126
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:03.479
Crown, Chuck, and the Crown
as well. It's the Crown. It's

1127
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:05.880
the Crown. They run, they
run. The whole show America is just

1128
01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:13.119
ah what they call it a franchise
of the crime Corporation. Absolutely, and

1129
01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:15.439
and and I bring up that point
and I'm called crazy here as well.

1130
01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:17.760
That you know, when people say, well, gee, you know,

1131
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:21.319
what about what do you think about
what happened during the Revolutionary War? Uh?

1132
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:25.239
You know, I often say did
we actually win? I don't believe

1133
01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:29.279
so, uh you know, but
but either way, yeah, calling out

1134
01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:31.439
the Crown, you know what,
You're exactly correct, But of course I

1135
01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:36.800
would I would uh first call out
my own people for participating in it.

1136
01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:40.720
Uh, and then, of course
we need to get to all of them.

1137
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:45.479
Uh. And until such time as
we begin making everyone answer for their

1138
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:50.039
crimes against humanity on one form or
another, we're not going to solve these

1139
01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:55.079
sorts of things. And in the
meantime, you know, if we allow

1140
01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:57.840
it in one place, it will
happen everywhere, just like you're saying,

1141
01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:00.359
if we allow this to happen in
Palestine, it'll continue to happen to all

1142
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:04.439
of us. It is an absolute
reality. It's an absolute truth. But

1143
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:10.479
I wish I knew what mechanism we
needed. It doesn't currently exist to truly

1144
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:13.079
fight back at this point, because, like I said, if it did,

1145
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:18.079
then you know that that idiot w
and mister Blair would both be in

1146
01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:23.199
chains as we speak. Oh absolutely, and a hell of a lot more

1147
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:28.039
beside for other crimes. Oh yeah, those are the most notable names that

1148
01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:30.439
I can give you. Yeah.
Absolutely, there's going to be a lot

1149
01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:32.279
more. There's going to be a
lot more people around those who would go

1150
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:35.079
with them. But again, Chuck, that's why I say, we have

1151
01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:41.319
to concentrate on Palestine and what's going
on there, and we must bring that

1152
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:45.199
to the attention of the people.
There's a lot of stuff coming out now.

1153
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:48.119
I know some stuff come out of
shootings this week, of proof that

1154
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:58.000
the so called Palestinians throwing stones were
actually Israeli infiltration. These things are coming

1155
01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:00.840
up and they need to be pushed. I think Palestine is that the greatest

1156
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:06.800
opportunity we have and the probably the
only opportunity we have, and we need

1157
01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:10.800
to push that out there and get
that out there. And we'd also need

1158
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:15.800
to recognize that they are in breach
of Article thirty three of the Geneva Convention,

1159
01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:21.680
and either enough people become awake and
we really shift these bostards out or

1160
01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:27.239
we do it through their system.
Well, it's going to be all or

1161
01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:30.039
nothing. Yeah, this is what
the problem is. And that means that

1162
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:34.319
every single one of the criminals need
to be brought to justice, and in

1163
01:29:34.359 --> 01:29:39.840
fact, we need to also stop
fueling the criminal organizations as best we can

1164
01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:45.399
and disengage from the system with which
they wield against us. You know,

1165
01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:50.159
I also point to the fact that, you know, the American Empire is

1166
01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:56.279
in just about every nation on the
planet. Of course, we're being utilized

1167
01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:59.840
as the attack dogs for those that
wish to push all sorts of a g

1168
01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:03.239
This worldwide. Nobody's even talking about
what's going on in Africa. No,

1169
01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:09.760
not at all. We haven't got
time, right, you know. I'm

1170
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:15.439
just saying that the whole thing needs
to be dismantled, you know. And

1171
01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:18.439
and unless we do that, I
don't think we're going to get at this

1172
01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:25.960
conglomeration, this fixation on what is
allegedly Israel. Uh, you know,

1173
01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:28.720
would I like to see it happen? Sure, but I'd like to see

1174
01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:32.720
I'd like to see all of these
criminal acts across the planets cease. And

1175
01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:38.359
well, they are public trustees,
that's all. They are public trustees.

1176
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.880
They work for us. Would suppose
exactly? Would you would you? Would

1177
01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:47.880
you think so? You would think
so? And the will of the majority

1178
01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:53.560
is supposed to be able to speak
to them, And that is also another

1179
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:57.600
illusion at this point in time,
you know, or people are not aware

1180
01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:00.560
of it. Chuck, Well,
there is the question of awareness when it

1181
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:04.359
comes to Palestine. I mean,
when I ask average American what they think

1182
01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:08.600
about it, they really don't have
any thoughts on it, or if they

1183
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:12.920
do, they again, you know, lean right on the old party line,

1184
01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:15.840
which is, well, you know, we need to support them because

1185
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.920
there are only friends over there.
They're nobody's friends, you know, and

1186
01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:24.680
we need to understand that, uh, that that nation state is a criminal

1187
01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:29.880
state. They're not a state.
I won't recognize them. Actually, they

1188
01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:35.560
said they found they found water on
Mars, Chuck. The first the first

1189
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:41.079
thing that came to my mind was
at last a Jewish homeland. But then

1190
01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:45.119
that's just me, not On's asking
in the chop box. Who controls the

1191
01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:53.720
Hamas and PLO leaders. Well,
the Hamas are an electric government as far

1192
01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:57.119
as I'm aware, I don't know
what you've got any thoughts on that,

1193
01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:03.680
Chuck. Most of the oppositions to
Israel are in one way or another,

1194
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:10.119
were constructed as oppositions. Yep,
just like well they created a mass,

1195
01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:15.000
I'm sorry, Israel created a mass. Oh yeah, yeah, and they

1196
01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:18.720
thought they was going to win and
things were going to change. But I

1197
01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:21.840
don't know what it went on there. But when they started complaining about the

1198
01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:28.600
checkpoints they ship at the fun yeah
of course. But there's another organization over

1199
01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:33.600
there which which was created by a
foreign government as well. You know,

1200
01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:38.920
just like when people talk about al
Qaeda, isis, all of these groups

1201
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:47.520
with these titles are generally manufactured opposition
to give the appearance, to give the

1202
01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:53.039
appearance that there is some power being
wielded by the other side. You know,

1203
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:56.119
if there wasn't a hamas, if
there wasn't a PLO and it was

1204
01:32:56.279 --> 01:33:00.279
just people that had no organization that
was actually supposed to be fighting on their

1205
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:04.720
side, you might look a whole
lot more criminal, you know, because

1206
01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:10.319
it would just be people being destroyed
by the great you know, collective entity.

1207
01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:14.560
Uh. And and this is why
a lot of times support for the

1208
01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:19.760
opposition, which is which is you
know, not very effective as far as

1209
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:23.960
getting anything done. I mean,
tell me this, what have they actually

1210
01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:30.800
gotten done to uh to slow down
discontinuous slaughter of the Palestinian people? Uh?

1211
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:33.319
Not much nothing, But they you
know, nothing can be done.

1212
01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:39.039
Nothing, nothing that I can see. No one's doing nothing or saying nothing

1213
01:33:39.079 --> 01:33:43.119
that that the Palestinians don't get don't
they don't get a word on on mainstream

1214
01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:48.680
I mean it's absolutely bloody disgraceful mainstream
news the way they and I find also

1215
01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:53.279
that that I say this quite often, but I don't mind keep saying it

1216
01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:56.319
either that the people who give out
this information are as guilty, they're as

1217
01:33:56.319 --> 01:34:00.920
complicit as the government because they're disinforming
the public, right, and I advise

1218
01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:06.520
everybody to be extremely careful about what
it is they take as legitimate information from

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that region, because every time and
I do mean every single time, that

1220
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I can get into contact and I
don't even want to divulge names, but

1221
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I can get into contact with individuals
who are actually on the ground over there.

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Right, I'm going to tell you
that no matter where, even if

1223
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it comes out of your mouth,
Graham, if it comes out of the

1224
01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:30.800
alternative media's mouth, if every once
in a while they do show the criminal

1225
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:35.800
activity of the alleged state of Israel, guess what it is A fraction,

1226
01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:45.079
a very small fraction of what is
actually happening on the ground there. Yeah,

1227
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:50.119
okay, it is far worse than
even we imagine. It is far

1228
01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:56.359
worse than what the alternative media is
telling you. The punishment of these people

1229
01:34:56.680 --> 01:35:02.560
is beyond criminal. Yes, yes, okay. Is unearthly. It really

1230
01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:05.960
is. It really is, And
it leads me far past the idea of

1231
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:11.680
you know, it doesn't seem to
me as though anybody who's even related to

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01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:15.159
the alleged Jewish religion has anything to
do with it. It seems otherworldly.

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It really does Graham. They have
no empathy. There are And this is

1234
01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:24.039
another thing too, Chuck. I
think there are so many people in the

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01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:30.239
masses. They don't believe the people
who run the countries or run the governments.

1236
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:35.079
They don't believe that it's possible to
be so lacking in empathy. They

1237
01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:40.399
don't believe they exists. That's another
big problem as well, is to try

1238
01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:43.000
to get people to understand. Look, the people whore running this world are

1239
01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:47.399
evil bastards. You know that is
hard to get across. Why I knew

1240
01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:50.079
it was true. I see that
on the TV. How the hell do

1241
01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:54.319
you deal with those people? Yeah, well, when when you tell me

1242
01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:59.800
that it makes sense to drench children
in sewage, When you tell me that

1243
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:06.000
the kidnapping and disappearing of individuals who
were merely attempting to travel on open roads,

1244
01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:11.880
who did not show any sort of
outward opposition even to the alleged government,

1245
01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:18.279
is just fine. When you tell
me that dismembered bodies being found randomly,

1246
01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:25.159
seemingly in villages is acceptable or is
some sort of strategic thing that can

1247
01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:29.000
be done. I'm describing for you
a couple of things that I've been able

1248
01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:34.640
to verify via various sources that I
know occur, not once, not once

1249
01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:39.479
in a while, not during a
particular conflict. But I'm telling you are

1250
01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:45.000
part of the constant that occurs over
there. So I say to the listener,

1251
01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:49.319
imagine living in that situation, regardless
of what your political view is,

1252
01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:56.600
your religious belief is. Tell me
something, does this even seem as though

1253
01:36:56.640 --> 01:37:00.600
this is the behavior of one human
being to another? Is not? It's

1254
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:06.479
not. It's just pure evil.
It's just it's just pure evil. Not

1255
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:12.880
on what was Morsey that this is? I have no under no idea what

1256
01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:15.960
you're talking about, not on it. But I'm hoping Chuck will was Morsey.

1257
01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:19.439
Oh shit, See, I'm having
a lot of fun tonight. I

1258
01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:24.800
keep clicking wrong buttons. Not for
the first time he's noticed bad is going

1259
01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:29.359
to get a plastic bag? Was
Morsey going to give the Palestinians a part

1260
01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:34.720
of the Siani? Does that make
any sense to you? There's lots Yeah,

1261
01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:42.039
there's lots of negotiations regarding you know, the dispensation of land, the

1262
01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:45.279
dispensation of rights. Are we going
to recognize this? Are we going to

1263
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:51.640
recognize that? Uh? This is
all in irrelevant distraction, Okay, Okay,

1264
01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:57.880
it really does not matter if you're
going to torture a massive people.

1265
01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:01.800
Yeah, until and that's what it
is. It is the wholesale torture and

1266
01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:11.520
murder without any sort of you know, retribution being visited upon a military entity.

1267
01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:15.479
Yeah, you know, as a
constant, as a constant, not

1268
01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:19.359
like you know last year or this
happened during a conflict. This is a

1269
01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:26.000
continuous as we speak. I assure
you that are individuals that are dying being

1270
01:38:26.119 --> 01:38:29.880
tortured, being you know, like
I said, being doused with chemicals or

1271
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:33.199
being doused with sewage. I could
not believe that when I heard it.

1272
01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:38.039
No, it's it's time. By
the way, it's quite incredible what's going

1273
01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:42.520
on there. And I've just like
the I'd like to finish with this,

1274
01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:46.079
Chuck. We're running forty seconds.
God no, how so tuned tonight,

1275
01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:49.359
folks. Chuck, thank you very
much for coming on. It's been an

1276
01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:53.760
absolutely fantastic to have you there.
You've been a brilliant guest. I really

1277
01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:56.800
enjoyed talking to you. I'd just
like to leave you with a couple of

1278
01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:00.279
lines from our own pot Felden.
The whole reality, the old reality of

1279
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:06.159
legality is everywhere and all information is
a construct of deceit. Lose the fear,

1280
01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:12.000
sell yourself free and live life,
says part We are all sovereign.

1281
01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:16.000
Spread the knowledge of your sovereignty of
all people. And with that chuck out.

1282
01:39:16.039 --> 01:39:19.800
Chelly. Thank you so much.
You've been great. I've really enjoyed

1283
01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:23.840
talking to you. Thank you,
sir, Thank you, sir. Well

1284
01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:29.039
done. Pet. By the way, God bless you tonight. I've already

1285
01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:32.640
gone over folks. Sorry Joanne,
who's up with your marsh falls right now

1286
01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:42.000
with John Martin guitarist who've had some
et experience, I believe, says interesting.

1287
01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:45.359
Folks, thank you very much for
your company, and I'll speak to

1288
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:47.479
you next week. Until then,
have a good one.