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The following is a presentation of Playfly
Sports Properties in Michigan State Sports Properties.

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A welcome and good evening everyone.
It is Tuesday, May second, twenty

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twenty three. I am your host, Jason Stranghon along on my co host

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Otis Wiley and Jayu Chew cult Chrit
and this is Sparta. Thank you for

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joining the show today. We got
a jam pack show. We got some

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interesting things, a lot of hot
topics. Sorry we couldn't get to you

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over the weekend because you know,
it's just there's so much to gather.

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We want to make sure we bring
you the facts as we know them,

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Have an idea for a future episode, let us know in the comment

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section below. And now back to
the show, Fellas. You know,

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I mean, it's been kind of
a whole home weekend. I don't know,

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like there's a lot, not much
going on. Is there anything to

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talk about grasping at straws? You
know anything? It's a slow week,

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slow week, right, little good. You know, we have a special

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guest that we're going to get to
in a minute, and everybody is definitely

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anticipating this. It's got a wealth
of knowledge you're talking about Jim. But

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we all to talk a little bit
about NBA basketball. Draymond Green advanced is

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to the finals against the Lakers.
Golden State Now, uh playing the Lakers,

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Fellas, Oh yeah, man,
look this is gonna be ah.

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I remember well Jay, you you
know, saying Noah Kim is him and

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I feel like they heard him say
that, and then it was like Steph

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Curry is him. You see that
graphic with you know him on the back

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back of his jersey. You saw
like hip the beam when you know they

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won, and they put a little
thing going on the graphic animation. But

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uh, this is gonna be a
good, good series, man, Like

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everyone counted out, you know,
King King James and the Lakers. But

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you see that he's answered the call. And you know, Dylan Brooks woke

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up the bear. He said,
he didn't poke a bear. He pokes

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bears, and he woke up that
bear and you saw what happened. But

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this is gonna be a good series. And Dredanmond is talking that talk as

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always, so you know it's gonna
be real interesting knowing that their their brothers,

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like they're cool, you know,
off off the court, but when

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they get on that court, man, it's a fierce competitor. I'm looking

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forward to seeing, you know,
the Warriors and the Lakers go at it

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to two. Hey man, I
know you're like chomping at the bit right

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now. I mean, like you
want to talk about all kinds of stuff.

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But let's move on to the award, right, Can I just get

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my NBA analysis real quick and give
us some of the NBA man, go

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next straight, hey man, look
the next you see when you know,

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when you know, our boy uh
is out there on the course side and

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Spike Lee and he's a stack,
you know, because remember that whole tobacco

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where he got kicked out. It
was a whole issue, right like right

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now they're balling and uh, you
know they got a young spat man and

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so it's it's that's good. The
next remember that Knicks Bulls man like that

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was legendary, the Nick Bulls series
on the Eastern Conference. But yeah,

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don't forget that Pacers next. That
was some Reggie Miller man for those town

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Nap Pound stand up. That was
a series right there. Yeah, you

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talk about I thought you're gonna talk
about the brawl too with the Pistons,

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you know. Yeah, Bllicte in
the Palace. You gotta bring Jordan talk

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about that. Let's do it.
There was some awards given out for the

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Spartan Media Network today. Yes,
man, uh you know, if you

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look at Will Teaman and Lovely Will
Wendy Hart, this is our you know,

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people that have won what hired me
when I was a sideline broadcaster and

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I know ja u is and Jason
is you as well. But the spark

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Meetia network took away some hardware from
a broadcast standpoint. So little do anyone

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know that there is an awards.
You know, when it comes to the

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state of Michigan from a broadcast network
standpoint, and so one we won a

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few awards from one. I'll say
our MSU basketball feature with Tom and they

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have a sports live special show,
the Tom Izzo Show, specifically that Christmas

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special that broadcast alone took away some
hardware in first place. The Mel Tucker

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Show that's on Thursdays took away you
know, the first place. Also the

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network also you know MSU hockey.
So just our coaches shows are bringing in

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garner and some attention, but also
some awards. And it's not voting on

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from a state of Michigan standpoint.
They actually have neighboring states or Midwest states

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that vote. So this year was
the state of Wisconsin from a media standpoint,

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voting on the Sparkan Media Network.
And hey, you guys being a

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part of that as well, have
you know, helped Will and Wendy and

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spark Media Network get those awards.
So just wanted to show some highlights and

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some love to our fellow peaks at
Spartan Media Network. So congratulations Wendy and

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Will and all our radio talent personalities
stray Ju, you know Matt, you

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know Mandy Jones, uh, you
know Dalton shelter got more like all the

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man like. It was a whole
collective effort. Now Scott is loving it.

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Man. Baseball's rolling to number two
in the conference. So no broadcast

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numbers, man, revenue man,
keep rolling man. So you know how

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I do it. I gotta get
some love. You have to the professional

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that you are. Go ahead,
you funny how I come to the broadcast

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and now we're winning the wars.
Before you got here, we were winning

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the ones since he was on the
field before you was on the and we

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wanted to Ain't nothing wrong with that. Hey, listen, guys, we

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got we gotta get to this.
There's a lot love and we got a

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lot to cover, especially with our
special guests. But we're gonna get to

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my hot well, fellas, they're
watching us over in Belleville, Michigan,

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Clinton Township, Michigan, Milford Lancey. I mean, man, we're worldwide,

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Australia. Australia in Australia is the
water, Bobby, you gotta love

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it. Let us bring on the
constant professional, the guy who has covered

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all of us, spark Dot all
of us, all of us. I

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mean, he's got a wealth of
knowledge and this is a delight to have

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him on the show. Jim Compriani
joins the show. How are you doing,

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Jason, I'm doing great. Can
you hear me? Okay? Oh

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yeah, great to be I'm great
to be on the This is Sparta podcast.

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Jason, You've only known me for
thirty years. I got to work

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with your Italian name pronunciations. But
you're not the only one that's gotten the

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name wrong over the years. Tom
Smith used to be the baseball coach of

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Michigan stayed back in the nineties and
I covered his team for a couple of

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years State News, Lands State Journal. He never got my name right.

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And Mike Garland, who I've known
him for thirty years, called me Joe

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for about twenty years. To Jason, I wanted to give you a little

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little guest for that because I know
some of our subscribers are going to be

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saying, come, man, I
thought you knew Strayhorn. I'm like I

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do, but you rhymes breaking down
every halftime in the hallway up. You

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know, it's part in state and
we talk all the time. Man,

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what's the pfer? What's the proper
pronounce rhymes with macaroni. It's Camperoni,

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Jim Camperoni. Now we got it. Yeh man, Listen, you've been

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here, you know, in Misiter
State covering Misiter State football for I mean

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longer than you know I've been alive. I think I don't know about that.

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But like so tell us, like
you know, like what you see

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today before we get into like the
real deal, what's going on right now,

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Like where you see the game changing
from when you cover guys like me

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and as before me all the way
through choo choo. There's a lot of

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today. There's a lot of things. Everyone knows what's going on with college

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football these days. But also,
I mean it's May first, May second,

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May third, whatever, it's a
second day, May second. We

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never used to have college football news
like this may second. I mean what

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happened on Sunday at the end of
the portal windows that that's what created the

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log jam of decisions and news.
With what happened, it ended up being

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like signing day a little bit for
recruiting. I've heard that there were a

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lot of coaches all over the country
that were nervous. Have we talked to

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all of our guys, Do we
know that everybody's here? We're not going

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to be surprised about anybody leaving,
are we? All over the country coaches

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were like that, which reminds me
of like midnight the night before signing Day,

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when coaches think they know who they're
signing, but they don't know for

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sure until the next day. We've
never had that before on April thirtieth.

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So that's just one of many things
that are different in college football these days,

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and we just experienced that most recently. Well, I mean, Jill

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like, go ahead, right,
go ahead, No, I'm waiting on

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you. Oh yeah, I was
on you, Jim. I mean you

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talk about just a wealth of knowledge
like you got experience with you know,

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through and through you are sparting through
and through as well. To say,

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hey, you are a Hall of
Famer, like you need to be designating

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that right from a standpoint of covering
us, but from decades to decades of

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just talent coming in and you being
evaluating and writing for Michigan State, you

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know the voice better than anybody,
the tone. You've been with all these

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coaches through and through. You know, we were talking backstage before we started,

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and you share some stories about each
one of us, and I feel

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like two tuos is waiting to start
with that, and then we're going to

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get into the nitty gritty, but
like talk about just us as players,

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as you evaluated. Just share a
little bit of stories from just us,

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stray to to it myself. I
mean, I appreciate you seeing those kind

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of words. You know, a
hall of famer. I'm not sure I'm

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a Hall of Famer in my own
hallway at my own house, but I'll

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take it. I've been here a
long time, that is true. And

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I've been here to cover the recruitments
of all three of you, gentlemen,

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going all the way back to stray
Worn in the nineteen ninety three class.

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It's been a while, cal Criak, you know we were talking off air

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before this happened or before the show
went on the air, and I was

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talking about something that I wasn't sure
that we'd want to talk about, and

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Jay was like, now let's talk
about that. It's not a big deal.

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But it goes back to when Colkirk
was being recruited out of New York.

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He was an under the radar type
of guy, and back then that

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was before the internet. He saw
the size and how big he was,

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you know, listed okay, running
back out of New York whatever. I

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was at camp that day in the
summer Michigan State football camp. Colkirk was

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there with a number of other recruits
like they do, and then another one

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hundred or so that we're hoping to
get recruited but you know, aren't quite

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at that level. I was over
like halfway across the field. I saw

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this big dude, just like trucking
as we used to hand a long time.

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Just move into the forty yard dash. I'm like, that's probably that

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dude from New York. And I
went over there to see what the forty

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yard dash time was. Matt Dorsey
was over there. He covered it for

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us and JAYU I mentioned that name
earlier and Jay was like, Yeah,

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Matt Dorsey, what's he do in
these days? He's still over at spidermag

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dot com and he's he's in the
bullpen a little bit and he's he comes

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out and speaks a little bit,
and we've got ideas for him to do

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even more things in the future as
he as we get warned back up.

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But where spartanmag dot com is now. But Matt's a very good friend.

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He was in town last summer anyway, when Colkirk was being recruited. Matt

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was over there, and Matt was
handling the recruiting back then. And Matt

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really had, you know, his
ear of the ground on recruiting out on

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the East Coast especially, and Colcrik
ran the forty and I was like,

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man, what, I wonder what
he ran. I'm sure that was a

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good time for that big running back. And Matt was he kind of got

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it. But Stoutland was over there, Jeff Stalin, the offensive line coach

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of Michigan State. He was he
recruited the eastern part of the United States.

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He recruited New York. So Stolin
was the guy that brought Colkirk in

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to camp. He was Stoutland's recruit, and the forty yard dash was run,

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and Stoutland just looked at me,
and he was a very nice guy,

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and you know, coaches can't really
tell reporters what to write and what

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not to write and stuff like that. But he gave me a look,

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and I knew what he meant was
that forty yard dashtime that I'm trying to

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get, and that I got and
then I thought that I heard it right.

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He looked at me like, that
doesn't get out. That stays here.

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That's our secret. That big dude
from New York that just ran that

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four four nine, it's not getting
reported. He didn't say that, but

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he said it with his eyes were
we're you know, we're allowed to watch

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camp this this is a long time
ago. Allowed to watch camp and give

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our observations here and there. We're
not allowed to interview recruits while they're on

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campus. After they get off campus, we could interview them and so forth,

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but we could talk about what we
saw and what the recruits, what

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their observations were. But in terms
of taking a forty yard dashtime, that

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was proprietary information and it was not
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they were trying to keep you a
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over that you had to put that
four fort nine on Jim something lad to

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say for fort nine four oh nine, you get faster every year. I

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don't know. It was a good
clocking, it was. It was good

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enough that they wanted to keep quiet
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you just kind of know, and
you know what, and that's I mean,

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we're we're in there covering recruiting and
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so you know that a lot of
the doors are opening, a lot

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of the fields there's just public access
to it. But they don't want to

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take everything behind closed doors. And
they would have to start doing that if

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you know, if we're if we've
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the broad jump things like that.
So you know, when you're a reporter,

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I go I mean, it goes
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years and years ago. I mean
Ernest Hemingway covered World War two and he

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was embedded with the troops and there
were things that he was not allowed to

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report because you can't tell where you
know, where the troops are. Now,

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World War two is a lot more
important than what we're talking about here.

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Yeah, you can have access to
this, you can watch the recruits and

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stuff, but you can't write about
these things. We got to keep some

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things in house. But that with
cole Creek, they were trying to keep

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cole Creek quiet. And one year
later, Stalin had another running back that

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was coming through campus and he went
to Misigan State's camp and he was trying

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to keep back quiet also, And
I mean it got out anyway, but

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that running back from New York came
to Michigan State, Miscansate had a great

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chance to get him, and on
his way out of town, he was

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talked into going and visiting ann Arbor
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that running back ended up being Mike
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for him. Stotlin was going to
get him, and Stoutlin always was bothered

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by the day that he stopped a
n Ann Arbor on his way home from

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he's lancing. But Stalin was a
good recruiter and one of his best recruits

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was mister Kulkreek right there. Oh
look, look, you know, life

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just Mike har can't go. Well, look, evolution of recruiting though,

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like you had to, like just
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what it is now. The more
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now. Back then there were legitimate
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were no iPhones that you know video, Like I said, there was no

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video of ju Culcrik out there anywhere. I mean he would. I'm sure

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that his coach sent out VHS tapes
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Now it's harder to find those secrets. Apparently there is footage of shoot YOUO

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headed the ricks on any hit the
weekend daylight. It doesn't matter he was

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doing that. So we do have
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You know, my film, I
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on the with the eight millimeter film
and all that, So you didn't really

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get a chance to see us play
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Instagram right like we do. But
Jim, you know, you're talking about

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where we stand today. You have, you know, wealth and knowledge.

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You've been covering the game for a
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we saw three starters, you know, a starting quarterback, receiver in Kean

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Coleman, a major play maker uh
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Charles Brantley all hit portal on the
same day. The last day of the

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portal was open. What do you
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soon as I heard it it was
stunning news, right but two seconds later

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or less than that one second later, if you know the program and you

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know the situation, you knew you
knew why right away Thorn. My immediate

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reaction was, man, he knows
that he may not win that starting job.

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Now if not, he may know
that he was behind coming out of

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spring. That's what that meant to
me. It's like, Noah Kim is

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like really seriously pushing for this for
this position. There there's other things there

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too, but that was the first
thing. And Keon Coleman, It's something

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I've been predicting on our podcast for
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broke through there would be schools coming
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the south. If he at once
he established himself, they would be coming

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after him. And I said the
same thing about BT Jordan when he's defensive

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ends. Coach or pass rush coach
at Michigan State. I said, if

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he does really well, it's just
a matter of time before the Florida's,

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the A and M's, and the
you know, the let's use come after

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him, and Michigan State's got to
be prepared to match that. So when

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I heard that Coleman was going in, you didn't have to know anything more

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about what was going on subsequently through
sourcing and so forth. I'm sure you've

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heard some of these things also,
and that you know some of those some

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of the you know, name image
and likeness packages and talk out there in

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what is today college football free agency. Those things were being voiced to him

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weeks ago, not just this weekend. It's been going on for a long

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time. So that's and you know, I've spoken with some people inside the

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program, some high ranking people in
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and Coleman do not want to leave
Michigan State. They're just doing what they

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think they need to do to find
out what else is out there. For

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two different reasons. Coleman, because
wow, if there's this crazy money you're

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hearing about, you got to go
listen and talk to it and find out

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who the quarterbacks are are those places
because this is his contract here. He's

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wanting to get drafted the year after
that. It's a business and with the

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freedom that they have now, be
silly for him not to listen. And

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for Thorn, why would he go
in You know, maybe he's you know,

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concerned about you know, losing his
starting job and that would be his

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senior year. We've seen it happen
in Rocky Lombardy, but he still had

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a couple of years of eligibility remaining. He was able to go to another

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school. So different reasons for different
players. And you know, Michigan State

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still likes both guys. And at
spartanmag dot com, we reported a Sunday

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night that Michigan State could potentially lose
these players. We didn't write it like

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they were definitely gone. We wrote
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You may have noticed that none of
those players, including Brantley, when they

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entered the portal, they did not
put it out on social media. A

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lot of times players these days,
when they entered the portal, they'll have

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a little image and they'll say,
you know, you know, thank you

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Spartan Nation. You know, but
I've decided to you know, and those

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things are usually construed as a goodbye. There were no goodbye social media tweets

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or anything from Coleman or Thorn saying
you know, it's been great, we

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love you, I'm leaving. That
still could happen, but they entered the

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portal somewhat quietly. They did it
without you know, it was reported because

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there's a lot of reporters out there
who have access to the transfer portal and

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they can see when a name comes
in and then it gets reported by reporters.

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But those players did not send it
out there with you know, with

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spotlight and flashlight and everything saying it's
been great, but I've decided to enter

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the portal. They entered the portal
to find out what's going on. Now

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there's more discussions being that are taking
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more about that. But that's my
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But we can talk about it some
more if you'd like. I mean,

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we talked about this too, though, like if we let's put ourselves in

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the shoes right now of student athletes
like you. We asked ourselves collectively.

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We're talking non stop over the weekend, and when we first heard the news.

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It was like, oh man,
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Like we kind of initially, you
know, quickly made this decision like hey

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man, what is truly going on? Like it's our program. We have

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so much pride in our own program. But we talked about would we test

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the waters if you had this great
year and you feel like maybe there may

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be something else out there where it
can help me propel myself to the next

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level. You know, would we
have hit the portal if it was that

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open and transparent like we talked about
free agency. I think from the standpoint

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to your point, Jim, is
that the portal. We truly took advantage

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of the portal the past two three
years, right like we got r K

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nine of the world, we got
Jaden Reid, we got vin Vin Schimmering.

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But then and like it finally hits
home internally that our guys now have

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starters, have now said all right, let me go see what's out there.

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And I feel like spartanation. It
the entirety of spartanation is like,

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let's support our guys regardless, like
we welcome them back, well we should

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ridicule them on a they're going to
test the waters. It's best for them,

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right Let's let's support them. But
Spartan nation and such, it's finicky

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right now, like you know,
what have you done for me lately?

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Let's let's speak asistent and let's support
our guys regardless of the decision. Obviously

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we want them guys back. They're
Spartan dogs for life. But you know,

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I think it's open up for our
group of you know, everybody's feelings

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on how this truly felt. I
think everyone has a different opinion. But

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to your point, Jim, it
is a different ballgame with free agency now

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with college football. Yeah, I
think any fair and sensible fan can understand

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why players in this in this structure
would be interested in going and seeing what

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they're worth on the and the free
agency market. And I don't follow a

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lot of the responses on Twitter.
I see some of the things on our

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message board at spidermag dot com.
I was so busy Sunday night writing that

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I didn't see a lot of the
discussions. I know that some people were

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bothered by it, but really the
only people, the only Michigan State fans

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that were bothered by it were mis
just say fans who don't follow college football

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and don't know what's going on.
If you follow college football and you know

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what's going on, you know this
is going on all over the country and

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it's going to get I don't know
if worse is the right word, but

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it's going to be more and more
amplified where you know. I've heard I

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think someone else mentioned did Lane Kiffin
mentioned this. I know that Terrence ogles

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Be mentioned. This former basketball player
at Clemson, he's got a podcast,

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does really well. I heard him
say this summer, I'm sorry this winner

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just before the tournament started. He
said that he could see the day come

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when every single college basketball player enters
the portal after the season. It just

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becomes compulsory. Everybody enters the portal
year after year after year. Because right

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now there might be a little bit
of a deterrent if you're a player,

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you might be able to gain a
little bit of loyalty from the coach that

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you're trying to impress for playing time
by not entering the portal. But you

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know what, if ten or twelve
guys did, fifteen guys did, then

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they all you know what's to keep
everybody from all going to find out every

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year what they're worth on the market
as it stands right now, something like

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that could happen in college basketball football? Could it happened there also? Maybe?

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But we've we've seen what more than
thirty five hundred players in the portal

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this year. You know, Texas
A and M had this great recruiting class

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last year and seven of those freshmen
went into the portal After one year,

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I think A and M has lost
twenty five scholarship players in one off season,

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and eighteen of them were like blue
chipper type guys, because that's all

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they've been recruiting late at these blue
chippers, like eight top one hundred guys,

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that includes some starters. Now,
the question with Michigan State is do

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they have the depth to absorb this. The other question is if you're a

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fan, you're and you're insecure about
Man, my football team is losing its

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best players. What does it say
about me? Doesn't say anything about you

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as a person. If it does, you need to take a break for

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a while and realize you're gonna be
It's that sorry, You're gonna be all

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right. But for the fans in
general, and I mentioned the talk showing

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Grand Rapids today, yeah, everybody
wants you know, Keon Cole to stay

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if you're a Michigan State fan,
and good for him that he's got opportunities.

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These schools that we're hearing that are
interested in him. LSU of course

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in Tennessee, you know desperate programs
where the tail wags the dog and when

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they pass, they had to raise
money. They they they get big money

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and it just means more down there. You guys are probably hearing it.

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It gets into the six figures,
maybe the high six figures for a player,

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maybe seven figures. You know,
that's what we're hearing. If you're

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a Michigan State fan, do you
want Michigan State to pay that for a

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player? You know, that's just
for everyone individually to think on their own,

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not that every individual has power to
help make that decision. Nothing gets

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key on on that. But on
one hand, if you're going to get

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all bent out of shape about you
know, what's going on with the coaching

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staff losing this player. Now now
that you say that, do you really

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want those type of chips pushed to
the middle of the table. Meanwhile,

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if you are Mel Tucker and you're
looking at it and you've got these quarterbacks,

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you got Peyton Thorn. You got
Noah Kim. Peyton has been pretty

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good. Managed the offense with Kenneth
Walker, won eleven to two, finished

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number nine in the country, won
the Peach Bowl. Hey, that's quite

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a ring that he has. That's
a great season the Michigan State had with

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him as quarterback. He can win
at a high level when he's got good

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teammates around him, like any good
quarterback. Right, You've got him.

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But Noah Kim has been closing that
gap, closing that gap. Mel Tucker

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has told us in the past,
those of us in the media that Noah

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Kim has the best arm of anybody
in the quarterback room, and he's getting

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better, getting better. I heard
that Noah Kim looked really good in the

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first two scrimmages of the spring.
The third scrimmage, I thought Noah Kim

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did some things downfield a little more
aggressively than Thorn did. If Thorn was

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out there that day trying to defend
his championship, his title belt, so

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to speak, he was not real
aggressive downfield. Noah Kim looks pretty good

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now. Peyton Thornton's had twenty plus
starts. Whatever it is, Noah Kim

407
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.599
small sample size. I don't want
to say we know as much about Noah

408
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.839
Kim. But if you're Mel Tucker
and you've got this situation going on,

409
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.759
what do you want to have happen? You want to fix it somehow so

410
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.920
that they both come back. And
last year he managed to do that.

411
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.519
They both did come back. Noah
Kim still has three years of eligibility left

412
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.119
because he had the COVID year and
he red shirted one year, so he

413
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.680
would love to have both of them
come back. So if you're Mel Tucker,

414
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.519
do you come out and say Thorn
is my starter at the end of

415
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.599
spring practice? No, because you
might lose Kim, right, Or do

416
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.480
you say Kim is my starter?
No, because you might lose Thorn.

417
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.720
I mean, obviously you want both
of them back, You want both of

418
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.200
them to be happy, and you
want to give them as much information as

419
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.920
you can. But it's a tough
situation as a head coach to juggle that

420
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.440
situation when you don't want to be
left with zero quarterbacks, which is possible

421
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.279
also, so it's tough on the
coach from a communication standpoint when you have

422
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.480
a quarterback battle like that. The
good news is Noah Kim is good.

423
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.000
He's closed the gap. He might
be better than Peyton Thorn. I don't

424
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.039
know. We've not seen him in
games, but that possibility exists. You

425
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.599
know, you brought him a couple
of good points there, Jimmy, you

426
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:06.839
said, you know, does MS
you want to be a school that gets

427
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:11.000
into the nil game and pushes all
those ships to the center on the table.

428
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.880
As you said, you put it
just a second go, you know,

429
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.799
for for you on the outside,
like we're former players, we I

430
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:25.839
know what we look at this ass
why why would a fan base or you

431
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.480
know, you look at Michigan State
as a business community of the donor as

432
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:30.359
at large. We have a lot
of We've got a lot of money at

433
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:37.480
Misigan State. We've got three NBA
owners, one a minority NFL owner possibly,

434
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.319
you know, we have tons of
billionaires. We have guys even all

435
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.319
the way down to like small business
owners like this. This nil game,

436
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.160
as it lives in breeze all over
the country, isn't always run by the

437
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:56.640
uber rich. It's collective the fan
bases that collectively care enough to put their

438
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.559
money where their mouth is. And
because they everybody shows up to these games

439
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.119
on Saturday, they all cheer for
their team, their home team. They

440
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.319
want them to win. Everybody knows
that. Why would you not want to

441
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:10.000
get in the game knowing that it's
legal now you know, for years it

442
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.920
wasn't legal and it was going on
in the South as we know it.

443
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.640
Why would you not, now that
it is legal, get into the game

444
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.480
when it's about talent And you see, I've heard it from myself from on

445
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.839
the donuts. We don't you know, maybe maybe we don't. Don't you

446
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.839
don't want to write checks if you
know the team isn't winning currently. Well,

447
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.880
the team won in twenty one and
they didn't write the checks for the

448
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.599
players. So now that they're losing, you say you don't want to write

449
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.319
the checks for the players either.
But it's clear the reason that we won

450
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.279
in twenty one was because it was
talent acquisition. It was a little bit

451
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:51.319
before the nil was you know what
it is today, But it became that

452
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:53.359
after Kenneth Walker, the third this
is as we're talking about, got the

453
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.279
campus and we saw the production and
we saw the wins. Why not continue

454
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.160
that gym? In your opinion,
you know, that comes down to an

455
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:05.680
individual decision for all those donors,
and it comes down to that collective you're

456
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.160
talking about, put together by small
business owners and fans and big time donors,

457
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.279
all of it put together. How
good is Michigan State in that area?

458
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.319
How well organized is Michigan State.
We heard from the outset that Tennessee

459
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.039
was becoming very well organized in the
collective game, and now you're starting to

460
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.240
see them throw some money around out
there in the open market. So it

461
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:28.279
comes down to each athletic department and
the organization and how well that's organized,

462
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.799
and how well that that money is
available for players once they get to Michigan

463
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.759
State. As you know, legally, you're not supposed to use that as

464
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.759
an inducement to get someone to sign
with you, but you know everybody's doing

465
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:40.519
that. They're saying, when you
come to this school, this is what

466
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.039
you'll get, and you might get
it your first check today, even though

467
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:45.799
you're in high school today. That's
the way it was in the years past.

468
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.559
It's not supposed to work that way
now. If that's I mean,

469
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:52.359
if that's the cost of doing business
now, those are discussions that have to

470
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.960
be made and that's not up to
the head coach. I mean, he

471
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:59.559
could ask for it, but those
things need to be organized at other levels,

472
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.200
and when he came to Michigan State
from Colorado, it was communicated to

473
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.440
him that Michigan State would have all
the plugins that he needs to be successful

474
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:14.119
at that time. That meant,
you know, refurbishing the you know,

475
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.200
all of the facilities, and doing
what needed to be done in terms of

476
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.720
assistant coaches, keeping them compensated at
a level that was competitive with everybody else

477
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:23.920
in the Big Ten and some of
the powers around the country. And support

478
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.680
staff. That's something that Tucker thought
was really good at Georgia and Alabama support

479
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.599
staff, recruiting, support staff,
all those things and those things, among

480
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.279
other things were communicated to him that
those would be in place at Michigan State.

481
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.200
Michigan State needs to make sure that
those things continue to be done for

482
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:42.559
mel Tucker. That was his understanding
when he came from Colorado. So Michigan

483
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.119
State might have work to do there. I'm not saying Mischigan State sitting there

484
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.599
with empty pockets getting cherry picked by
LSU or Tennessee and they're going to lose

485
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.640
Kean Coleman. That could happen,
but again that gets back to the question,

486
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.000
how many chips do you want to
put in the table to keep him,

487
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:59.160
and then what else do you have
for the rest of your roster?

488
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.519
And once that's established, where do
you go from there? All of this

489
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.799
it's new frontier and this is the
first time that Michigan State has had a

490
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:09.480
standout player really have a breakthrough season
as a sophomore who was a three star

491
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.360
recruit, mind you, coming out
of Louisiana. Michigan State did a really

492
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.559
good job of identifying him as an
underrated three star, getting him in a

493
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.320
recruiting battle, and then developing him. He's a great athlete, but some

494
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.679
development needed to take place there.
So you had evaluation and you had development.

495
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.239
Those are keys for Michigan State.
Anytime Michigan State has been good,

496
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.280
they've gone to places like New York
and they've turned over some rocks and came

497
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.320
out with a guy like jau Culcriik. That's evaluation and then player development.

498
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.519
It's not just going out and getting
a Charles Rogers. That's part of it

499
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.360
too. You know, winning those
five star recruiting battles is important in Alabama

500
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.840
and Georgia do that all the time. But when Michigan State has had those

501
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.239
top ten teams. They've had some
three star recruits that they've evaluated, like

502
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.519
a Keon Coleman, and then player
development, evaluation and development. But now

503
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:58.199
it's evaluation, development and retention retaining
some of those players. It's easier to

504
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.280
retain a guy theoretically they're from Michigan
or Ohio, but as you know,

505
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:07.360
there's a disproportionate number of talented and
great players eight hundred or more miles away

506
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.639
from Michigan State in the Sun Belt
region. So that becomes a task for

507
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:15.119
Michigan State when they are fortunate enough
to do a good job and evaluation and

508
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.000
player development. Now it's retention,
and we're seeing that exhibit A with Kean

509
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.599
Coleman. It's kind of a landmark
deal here for Michigan State right now.

510
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.719
I mean, was really getting excited
there to what what what do you say

511
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.800
about this right now? You're a
guy from from wet western New York that

512
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.760
they came here in the days where
you know it was under the right ar.

513
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.599
You wouldn't be under the radar today
if you were coming out of high

514
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:45.400
school like you fell in love with
the campus and what guys like like coach,

515
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:52.639
what was the coach that that brought
you here, Jeff stouton just the

516
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:57.199
study. This is complete stuff.
He was a great recruiter today. Like

517
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.400
if in this world, what would
it would you care about? Nil?

518
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.000
If people, if if other schools
are offering you this, would it matter

519
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:10.199
to you as a high school player
if the school decided to pay you or

520
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:15.639
not pay it with that factor in, Yes, that will definitely factor And

521
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:20.199
at some point, you know it's
it's you know, the amount is different,

522
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.519
but yes, the Nils piece of
it would factor in. And uh,

523
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.559
you know I came in there,
you know, and Jim you know,

524
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.159
gave me, you know, the
great reviews and everything like that.

525
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.280
I came in as a highly rated
running back you know from New York.

526
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.039
And I came in my freshman year. I was moved to linebacker, so

527
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:36.679
you know, it was one of
those things, you know, I could

528
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.559
have transferred out and everything like that. But yes, I do understand what

529
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.480
it is with the transfer portal.
What it is today, Today's game has

530
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:49.119
changed, and I think that's what
we're missing as fans. I'm old school

531
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.679
guy, I'm very old school and
I say that and I get, you

532
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:57.320
know, hell on here from you
Stray and otis a little bit and everything

533
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.880
like that. But like, yeah, I believe in that, but I

534
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.079
don't fault today. The game has
changed, all right, The game has

535
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.039
totally changed from now, you know, like it's that old saying it's not

536
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:15.079
funny when the rabbit has the gun, you know, because what has happened

537
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.320
traditionally, is it? We're talking
about this early before it came on.

538
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.880
I was recruited by Bobby Williams.
I was offered a scholarship by Bobby Willams.

539
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.960
Bobby Williams got fired. I was
still in high school. I opened

540
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:31.280
up my recruiting process again. John
ll came in. I came in under

541
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.920
John L. Smith. John LL
got fired, all right, he could

542
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.559
go somewhere else. Bobby went to
Alabama with Nick or wherever Nick was at

543
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.920
the time, you know, and
I got a new coach. I got

544
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.719
coached Antonio. I had three or
four different running back coaches throughout the thing,

545
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.599
throughout my stay at Michigan State.
You know, those coaches left and

546
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:58.920
went to better jobs. They went
to you know, NFL. Ben Sermons,

547
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.280
he went to the Green Bay Pass. You know, he elevated himself.

548
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:07.480
And now what we're seeing is these
kids have the opportunity to elevate themselves

549
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.719
and from the outside looking in and
it's like, oh no, these kids

550
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.280
are you know, they're not They're
not going to learn how to do this.

551
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.599
They're not gonna arn how to do
I get it. I get a

552
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.239
little bit of that point there,
But there was there's coaches have no repercussion

553
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.719
of ramifications. If they leave a
program, they can go and go and

554
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:28.239
get another. They'll get paid the
rest of the contract if they get fired

555
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.159
or if they leave you know,
anything like that, and they'll go and

556
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:36.440
get more money somewhere else. Now
that the game has changed that college kids

557
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.079
can you know, dip their toe
in there and see, Okay, who's

558
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:44.239
looking at me? Where do my
adds? You know, raise up for

559
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.039
me. At the end of the
day, no matter what you you go

560
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:51.559
to Michigan State, you go to
to If a kid that's an engineer major,

561
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.159
he's coming in to position himself for
the best engineering job when he leaves

562
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.840
Michigan State. A kid that comes
in to play football in aspirational play in

563
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.840
the NFL, they're here to position
themselves for the best position to play at

564
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.960
the next level. And we as
fans, we have to understand that we

565
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.119
as a as a society, we
have to understand that as well. And

566
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.199
that's the new NCAA. Yes,
I get it. And you know guys

567
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.920
you know, dipping their toes in
checking it out and everything like that,

568
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.920
and you know that's great. But
my message to spartanation is, don't bash

569
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.599
these guys that go in the in
the system and you know and enter the

570
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:31.559
name there, because all that's gonna
do is push them away, you know,

571
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.920
let them let them know, Hey, good luck to you if you

572
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:38.079
leave, but we're going to welcome
you here. We want you here,

573
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:42.920
we want you to stay here.
That's the message Spartan Nation should be sharing

574
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.239
right now with a guy like Kean
Coleman, with a guy like Peyton Thorne,

575
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:50.880
with a guy like Charles Brantley who
did decide to come back. But

576
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.039
like you know, those are the
things that you know, we don't bash

577
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.239
the guys for you know, intern
they're doing it for their own reasons.

578
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:02.159
They have Everyone comes from different family
economic backgrounds. You know, not everyone

579
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:07.440
has the opportunity to go through different
steps in life. You have to come

580
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:12.079
up and make your paper. How
you can make your paper at the end

581
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.760
of the day. So we have
to realize the ass fans and yes,

582
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:17.719
do I want Kean Coleman to say, Hell, yes, I do want

583
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.679
Keon Coleman to say, I love
that kid. I think he's a great

584
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.679
asset to the university. He's a
great representation of the university. You know,

585
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.159
forget football. He's a guy that
I want to say, Keon Coleman

586
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:30.840
was a spartan dog. Keyon Coleman
is a guy that was on this team

587
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.679
that I played on. You know
that I was, you know, part

588
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.639
of this, this this university football
program, and Keon Coleman was there.

589
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.559
Yes, I want that, you
know, but I want what's best for

590
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.719
him as well. I've not seen
I've not are people criticizing the players.

591
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.920
I don't have my ear to the
ground on fai. Yes, yeah,

592
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.360
it's like it's a business decision,
clearly. I mean we talked about this

593
00:40:53.840 --> 00:41:00.960
transfer portal is what to college basketball
is to test the water for the NBA

594
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.000
Draft stats. That's just that's what
it is. And so you know,

595
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.199
if you don't like what you don't
see with the results, it's okay to

596
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:14.800
go back to your current program.
I think now kids are like afraid to

597
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.840
even do that because they might get
shunned on it's you're not loyal, you're

598
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.639
not fully committed to the program of
culture, and like you have kids and

599
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:28.480
coaches that may have a different dynamic. That's program a program. But what

600
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.159
we do know is that male's like
we will welcome you back, my brother,

601
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.679
like you are our guy, Like
we have your full support. But

602
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:42.239
I just feel like there's this there's
just an ever changing support, Like why

603
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.559
can't we just be consistent with everybody
that we have in our system, regardless

604
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:50.519
he's a spartan doll for life.
He paid, earned the strips, earned

605
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.280
the green of white. But like
I'm gonna teot you like, yeah,

606
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:58.119
we want to be walking on stead
clearly, like we know he's our guy,

607
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.360
he is the he's a dude.
It's made the decision to say,

608
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:05.800
hey, I'm returning back to the
program because as you see, you know,

609
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.039
you test the waters in what we
say. The grass isn't always greener

610
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:14.400
on the other side, where it's
the song don't let the grass green fool

611
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.079
you, the green grass fool you, right, I think that you see

612
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:22.119
that and you don't get the immediate
love. There are ten thousand plus football

613
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:29.039
student athletes in the portal like it
is launched, it is humongous, and

614
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:34.960
think about the percentage of those guys
that aren't going to land where they think

615
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.800
they're gonna land. And so it's
almost like stick to it, grind it

616
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.920
out, and the pro scouts will
find you. Trust us, right,

617
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.360
we all know this. On the
NFL Draft, you will. You will

618
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:51.800
be found and the film doesn't lie, numbers don't lie, and so you

619
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.119
will be found regardless of which program
you're at. But to that point too,

620
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.920
you're like, yeah, we love
Tekena and we support him regardless,

621
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.639
Like there's no indifference here on this
show because we know, you know,

622
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.400
if if we were in those shoes, I mean, I'm not gonna lie.

623
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:14.039
I'll test too beyond you know,
I didn't realize I didn't realize that

624
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.559
like the fans were coming down on
players. I've detected that they've come down

625
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.320
on the coaching staff at mel Tucker, you know. Like but like like

626
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.559
you said, drawing the comparison to
NBA, nobody's coming down on Izzo because

627
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.199
Hogard and Aikins are are in testing
the NBA waters. Nobody's blaming Zo for

628
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.519
that. So I don't know why
you should blame mel Tucker for these guys

629
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.119
testing the waters in a similar situation. And that's what I detected that you

630
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:38.320
know, people were wondering about the
state of the program things like that.

631
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:44.079
Maybe some of those are fair questions, but in terms of fans criticizing players,

632
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:45.719
I don't. I don't spend much
time with that because those opinions are

633
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.280
worthless in my opinion. Nothing against
other fans, but those opinions, I

634
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.199
don't. I don't, I don't. I think you're too Jim. What

635
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.039
you say, what you stated earlier
is that people that you know say this

636
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:01.400
and everything like that don't really follow
the program. But those are the people

637
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:07.199
that are, you know, criticizing
these kids. No matter to me,

638
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:08.679
right, So my question for you, Jim, like, you know,

639
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:14.000
there's all these you know, stories
and you know, stuff coming out and

640
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.800
everything like that, especially with uh, you know Ki, because like overall,

641
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.840
like I think Peyton is gone.
I think Peyton's gone. I think

642
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.519
Keon still has an opportunity to come
back, and I think you know,

643
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.960
there's still that chance he comes back. But you know, you stated,

644
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:36.639
you know there was that Tennessee,
you know interest Lsu interests and stuff like

645
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.079
that. What other schools have you
heard? And how much water does that

646
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:45.039
carry? You know? Do you
you know? Yes, LSU Tennessee.

647
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.239
We've heard a little bit of about
Oklahoma also maybe Auburn a little bit.

648
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.039
But I mean, I mean,
he's gonna be one of he's gonna be

649
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.920
one of the best receivers in the
country next year, I would think.

650
00:44:52.960 --> 00:45:01.639
And he's he is a valuable commodity. And these programs are a multi multimillion

651
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.960
dollar entities with starving fan bases,
demanding fan bases Tennessee, LSU. So

652
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.199
it just means more. Yeah,
it means a lot to them. So

653
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:17.159
how much does it mean? It
shows itself in monetary means. So coleman

654
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:23.840
is is is a good player,
and Michigan State has had has open communication

655
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.679
with him. You know, this
is not a deal where he's in the

656
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.639
portal, he's not even listening to
Michigan State. He's still talking. He

657
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.239
likes Michigan State, he likes Miltucker. He'd like to make it all happen

658
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.960
here. You know. Again,
it's a business decision, and he needs

659
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:37.519
to know whose quarterback is too.
So a lot of those things are being

660
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.119
talked about. And there's a lot
of Michigan State fans that are hoping that

661
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:44.360
Keyon Coleman goes back, and that
would be really interesting. Also if Michigan,

662
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.840
Michigan State withstands this, puts a
package together and keeps him. And

663
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.360
this is new territory as far as
college football goes in terms of these things

664
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.039
being done semi publicly and the passengers
have been There's been a lot of recruiting

665
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.559
battles in the past where things like
this have happened underneath the table with other

666
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.559
schools and so forth. But this
is interesting. It's new for college fans

667
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.880
and we'll see what that does for
the the size of the college fan base.

668
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:09.079
Does that change in the years ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt.

669
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.639
You go ahead, no, no, no, you're good. I have

670
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.679
a question for that though, Like
you know, you're you're hitting heavily on

671
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:19.079
the nil side of things. Do
you think for Keon it's an nil thing

672
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.960
or do you think it's you know, because I think from Jason Otis and

673
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.639
I like it's a different opinion and
stuff like that, and from you're the

674
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.320
media media like out there and you
know, you know, talking to other

675
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:37.199
media outlets and everything like that.
We don't you know, so like,

676
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.760
do you think it's an nil thing
or do you think it's positioned himself for

677
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:44.960
a better draft. I think it's
a combination combination. I heard that,

678
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.280
you know, he he was looking
at it is his contract here, and

679
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:51.199
he wanted to go somewhere where you
know, he could run all the routes

680
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:52.760
and the ball would be delivered.
That's one of the things i'd heard that

681
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.039
he thought that nil money was just
a one year shrug type of thing.

682
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.079
He was wanted to set himself up
for first round draft pick money. To

683
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:01.239
understand, now, I've not talked
to him about that, as you can

684
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.440
imagine, players when they're in the
transfer portal, they're not doing any interviews,

685
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.159
as you can imagine. But then
when the when the money started being

686
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:13.360
talked about at SEC levels, then
it becomes more than just shrug off money.

687
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:17.199
And he's in today's market and what
other players are presumably making, and

688
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.920
what kind of player he is as
a difference making player. He's worth it.

689
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.400
He's worth was a Jackie Gleason.
He used to say, you're worth

690
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.000
whatever someone's willing to pay you.
Right if someone's willing to pay him.

691
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.239
He must be worth it. So
uh, I like the kid. I

692
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:38.159
think he's I think he's a team
guy. He's he's smart, he's energetic,

693
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.159
he's focused. You know, wherever
he was, Like Mel Tucker always

694
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:45.599
says, be where your feet are, he is always where his feet are,

695
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:50.679
whether it's basketball or at a basketball
game or at moneyball. He'd go

696
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:54.559
there and watch that, you know, workouts and so forth. He's an

697
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:58.920
excited, excitable teammate too. And
he and he and he, he gave

698
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.800
his all for Michigns stay there for
a couple of years, and I know,

699
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.960
say Vans or hoping he comes back
for another year. But I understand

700
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.519
all of it. I don't have
a problem with any of it. I

701
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.360
don't know. I know, I
know college football is an emotional thing for

702
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.719
fans, but it's economics, it's
geography, it's timing, it's all that

703
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.079
stuff. Who you know, it's
tim and tim and timing who is your

704
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.320
quarterback at this particular time as part
of it. So, Jim, when

705
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:24.079
I hear you say, is I
know everybody's getting their tax refunds and it's

706
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:31.239
time to up. That's somebody else's
job. I'm just here calling balls and

707
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:38.159
strikes. I don't know, I
don't know the absolutely yeah, you know,

708
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:44.440
I'm seeing a lot of comments in
the chat right now and people it's

709
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:46.880
it's it's quite spirited the conversation.
I mean, I like this. It's

710
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.679
it's it's a very hot topic.
It's emotional, you know, when you

711
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.760
have a player that you like.
I mean, we obviously no Keyon.

712
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.039
He's been on the show. He's
done an il deals you know with with

713
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.519
Cal and I hops so has Chuck
Brentley, which is you know that that

714
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.719
took Cal and had him in an
emotional state, a shock a little bit

715
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.840
because the two guys that he's done
nil deals. He's the one of the

716
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:10.400
only guys that stepped up in Michigan
State to do that. It has entered

717
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:15.239
a portal. So you know,
partly I think you're right with the money,

718
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:20.719
but you know, there there's a
lot more to this for players like

719
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.760
this. You know, there's there's
players and said opportunities have been pushed in

720
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.719
the portal by coaches. We know
these three guys weren't pushing the portal.

721
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.000
They were not you know, I
think maybe Peyton Dorn may have felt that

722
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:36.679
from you know, the fan base
and not getting the you know, after

723
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:42.400
being a two year starter, he
probably feels that he should be knighted or

724
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.480
ordained the starter going into the summer. But as you said, that's just

725
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:50.840
too much of a risk for the
coaching staff to give that to him because

726
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:52.719
they need him to work, they
need to get better as a player.

727
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.119
That's not the case with Kean Kleman. We know that, you know,

728
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.239
Charles Renley is back on campus now. He said he is one hundred percent

729
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.719
on thousand percent committed to Michigan.
Say when you look at what Keon Coleman

730
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.440
is going through right now, you
know he was unsure the quarterback play,

731
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:14.119
and there's a little bit of you
know, am I going to be featured

732
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.320
those kinds of things, which are
valid things to try to be a first

733
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:21.559
round a pick, but you know, like it's it's it's something that you

734
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.840
know. I think that the fan
base is starting to do showing key on

735
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:28.239
the love that he deserves, but
it also has to be on the on

736
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.440
the side of the coaches as well, so they can show and outline a

737
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:37.880
plan for him. I think that
mel Tucker personally is one of the best

738
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:43.360
talent of valuebators in the game of
football. That is why mel Tucker is

739
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.840
where he is because of his ability, his eyes that he's seen on the

740
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:51.960
college level, on the pro level. He knows talent when he sees.

741
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.039
That's where he got how he got
the key On. He's been the primary

742
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:59.599
recruiter for Keon Coleman. He's the
guy who's still communicating with Keyan. He's

743
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:05.519
not having off here in any way. I personally feel like and On these

744
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:09.280
guys will probably relate to this that
you know, mel Tucker will not only

745
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:13.440
you know, if the ship can
be righted, it will be righted by

746
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:19.639
mel Tucker and Kean and his his
his crew, his family who who really

747
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.719
are are trying to do the right
thing here. They're not chasing bags.

748
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:28.159
That's not for whatever whatever that's worth. People think that he's chasing back.

749
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.639
That's not the case. It's not
chasing bags. He wants to be the

750
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.920
best player, I mean, you
put in the best position and can to

751
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:38.280
benefit his family in the long term. So mel Tucker will not only do

752
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:45.360
that, but also dip in the
portal as he has before and find guys

753
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.679
to be around him. Because one
thing ke On doesn't want to do is

754
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:52.599
be double team and triple teams where
you know, do we have some other

755
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.400
threats on the other side with like
how he had Jayden Reid over the last

756
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:01.079
few years on this side, that
can can can open up holes for him

757
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:06.199
and make it better for him to
be that first round draft pick. So

758
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:10.960
so, Jim, when we talk
about where things stand right now, I

759
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.480
don't I don't believe that you know, you have It's it's time to like,

760
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.119
you know, throw the baby out
with the bath water right now from

761
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.119
Michigan State, I think that melt
Tuck or his staff where Kean is right

762
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:28.280
now that we're still in the play
here, we're still in play and I

763
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:34.079
and I I want your opinion on
where do you think, uh, what

764
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.079
do you think needs to be done
in order to to to kind of get

765
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:40.880
that message over to him. You
said that they're still communicating. What do

766
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:45.320
you think in your your experience,
how do you see this playing out and

767
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.039
how does it end? You know, you make a good point also about

768
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.000
you know, is he going to
get double team? I mean, those

769
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:52.920
are some of the things you saw
in the Michigan game. He was the

770
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.400
dominant player on the field. Then
second half Michigan changed some coverages a little

771
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.960
bit. Things they were able to
do because he didn't really have the players

772
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.840
around him. Jaden Reed was around, but maybe not one hundred percent.

773
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:06.199
I can see why that would be
something Keon would be interested in being,

774
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:12.519
you know, being around other receivers
that are, you know, strong enough

775
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:16.639
threats. Some of those guys I
think do have good potential to be that

776
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:20.599
this year. I think Montory Foster
could could really step up this year.

777
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.320
As far as Keon Coleman and what
he needs, I'm not sure. I

778
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.599
don't know what's in his head,
in his heart. I know he's listening,

779
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.800
so that's good for Michigan State.
But if you're Michigan State, let's

780
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:34.800
say, theoretically, let's say you
hear that Tennessee's offering nine hundred and fifty

781
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.360
thousand dollars, just talking theoretically here, if you've got eight hundred thousand to

782
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:42.719
give him. I'm just asking,
you know, I'm just wondering about fans

783
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:45.800
out there that want to pretend general
manager a little bit. You could give

784
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:52.320
one player eight hundred thousand dollars,
or you could give sixteen thousand dollars to

785
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.159
fifty players. I think that's what
the math is. What is stronger for

786
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.280
a team. Can you imagine fifty
players, I'll get sixteen great or one

787
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.559
guy gets eight hundred grand, you
know what I mean? What you know

788
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.039
in terms of building, in terms
of building a team, these are some

789
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:12.320
things that some coaches around the country
are going to be They're going to be

790
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.239
massaging the numbers and figuring out what's
the best way to build a team,

791
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.719
because you know, increasingly now,
guys, I think in college football,

792
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.199
yes, the portal is part of
it. Yes, transfers are part of

793
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:27.400
it. I think last year,
like what fifteen percent of all starters were

794
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.039
transfers, A big number of transfers. You look at Michigan State the number

795
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:35.519
of transfers on its roster. The
programs that managed to get a culture,

796
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.320
a collective culture, a team oriented
culture of blocking and tackling the old school

797
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:45.519
elements of football, those coaches that
somehow make that happen are going to find

798
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:47.079
an edge. I think that's my
prediction for the future. It might not

799
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:52.199
be the team with the five or
six you know red letter, you know,

800
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.519
big money players like Miami Hurricanes had
last year, or Texas A and

801
00:54:55.639 --> 00:55:00.280
m hasn't worked out real well for
those two programs so far. Look at

802
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:01.440
Michigan right now, I mean,
they got it rolling pretty good. They're

803
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.920
strong. I hate to say that
on your podcast here. You may not

804
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.440
want to hear that, and we
are no one's a bigger critic of Jim

805
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.719
Harbaugh than I am. But right
now, at least last year, they

806
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:16.000
had good leadership, and they had, it seemed to me, players playing

807
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:20.559
for one particular goal, which for
decades wasn't the case of that program.

808
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.639
They had a big problem with divas
at Michigan. Everybody knows that they've gotten

809
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:29.639
rid of that. Somehow Harbaugh barely
survived. He was on the ropes about

810
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:34.320
ready to get fired, and somehow, in this era of transfers and nil

811
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.760
he has put together a team it
looks like they were last year. I

812
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.400
assume they'll be that way again this
year. Across the country, the coaches

813
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.480
that are able to sift through some
of these minefields and the big money nil

814
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.599
and transfer portal and put together an
old put together, old fashioned collective teams

815
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.800
playing for one another, Teammates playing
for one one another, blocking and tackling.

816
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:59.840
Finding a way to do that is
going to be it's I don't know

817
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.039
how to do it, but there
are going to be coaches that do it

818
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:05.519
well. And maybe it's dividing up
eight hundred thousand among fifty players rather than

819
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:09.320
paying one. I don't know.
Hmm. You know, you know when

820
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.320
you talk about Michigan, I mean, that's a good point. You bring

821
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.360
up Michigan. Michigan, you know, you know very well versed on what

822
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.800
they what those guys are getting paid. I understand, you know, their

823
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.679
their collective market. I know players
over there, no coaches over there,

824
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:23.760
I know guys that are paying those
guys. I know the agents over there.

825
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:28.440
And there's not fifty guys making sixteen
thousand over there. Now, they

826
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:32.159
got guys several guys in the mid
to upper six figures. I'm talking five

827
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.599
hundred thousand and above. At Michigan. They have groups of guys making well

828
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:42.039
over one hundred thousand dollars. So
I'm talking when I say groups, I'm

829
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:46.400
speaking of ten plus guys on the
team doing that at Michigan, like like

830
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:52.000
fifty at sixty. That's more.
That's that's on par with I don't know

831
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.239
what's the issue of deal. The
UWM is what five hundred dollars is six

832
00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:00.000
thousand dollars for the entire team,
every team, everybody on the team,

833
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.199
team on football and basketball, as
it says. Right now, the basketball

834
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:07.199
is in jefalty because he's now an
NBA owner. So they're all making six

835
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:12.360
thousand dollars right now, everybody five
hundred bucks a month. There's like that

836
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:15.360
eight hundred thousand dollars thing that you're
talking about in fifty plays. That's not

837
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.719
that's not what. That's not gonna
get you winning football though, Jim,

838
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.679
I don't think so. I don't
think that you're gonna get the talent that

839
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.159
you need to have on your roster
with sixteen thousand for everyone, like,

840
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.039
that's not where the market is at
that level. You know, we're expanding

841
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:36.000
the playoffs to four from four to
twelve. Right now. At four you're

842
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.920
out of them. There's no you
have no shot to twelve. You're gonna

843
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.000
have to have more guys. You
know, it's gonna expand the playoffs and

844
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:47.000
all that, but you're gonna have
to have more players making the fifty thousand

845
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:52.119
dollars market and above than we do
right now. That's that's what we're talking

846
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.079
about. And for whatever reason,
is it's always like this feasts or famine

847
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.280
idea, like everybody's got to make
a million bucks. That's not that's not

848
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:02.480
that's not the case. A guy
like Kean Coleman, our guy that's the

849
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:08.000
starting quarterback for your Power five team, he garnish that in the Power five

850
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.719
if that's where we want to be, If we don't want to be,

851
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.719
this is where we are right now
as Michigan State football. Right, we're

852
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:17.480
in the Big Ten. Right the
Big Ten is going to go to We're

853
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.679
at with fourteen teams, We're going
to go to sixteen. We're at the

854
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:28.320
USC and UCLA, who continually get
the best quarterbacks and skilled players in the

855
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.760
country. And we want to say
we're going to give our guys sixteen grand

856
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:36.880
We can't compete with that. I'm
just seeing that on a realistic level.

857
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.960
You're seeing through the prism of recruiting, and you see it all the time

858
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.360
on a national scale. There are
a lot of fan bases and in their

859
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:51.400
schools at DYU that aren't that Oklahoma
State. These aren't schools that are like

860
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.199
we think of his playoffs, they're
they're they're kicking our ass in nil.

861
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:59.800
Absolutely, that's that's the facts,
guys, you know as it stands,

862
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.679
and we don't know that. It's
like we we don't want to believe it,

863
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:06.559
and we come up with excuses as
to why we don't want to do

864
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:07.960
it, you know, and we
don't win or we didn't win enough or

865
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:13.119
whatever it is. Everybody, I
think I seen in the chat art do

866
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.360
revised. You ask a question like
how do you do it? I think,

867
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:20.360
call cal talk to others. There's
there's ways of being able to contribute

868
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.760
to the nil if you're if you
want to do it, Like that's the

869
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:27.400
difference between our fan base and others. We we we sit back and say,

870
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.119
I don't know how others are,
like hey, they're throwing the money

871
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:31.079
first and saying, I don't care
where does it need? I need to

872
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:35.440
get to that player. It's almost
in your heart, like truly, what's

873
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.039
in your heart and if you want
to do something, there's nothing that's gonna

874
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:44.360
stop you if you want to.
And that's why because we don't really want

875
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:47.519
to do that. That's what these
players are feeling. Because guys, everyone's

876
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:52.079
connected now, they all have they're
on they're they're they're connected in social media.

877
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.960
They're talking to one another. They're
sharing information, and this is what

878
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:00.440
causes guys to dip into the portal
pow Simply. I'm not saying that's what

879
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.719
Kean, that's what I'm not saying
that's what Chuck is doing. I'm not

880
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.320
saying that's what Peyton's doing. But
it will happen and it will continue to

881
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:13.159
happen if we don't really collectively.
I don't I don't care if it's a

882
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.559
buck, a dollar, isn't that
what you just said. I think I

883
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.320
saw Cal say send me a dollar, a thousand bucks and we'll get it

884
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.719
to him. He's one of the
guys at Michigan, stated a former player,

885
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:27.760
a student alumni of Michigan State who
stepped up and said he came to

886
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.360
us and said, what can't I
do? I need to do what my

887
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:34.480
part? You know I have?
What does Cal have? Three? Three

888
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.119
eye hops? And he said,
I'm gonna do whatever it takes to get

889
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.519
these players money so that they can
stay and they can feel comfortable because he

890
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.960
sees the stories he's talked to these
players, and he understands how it is

891
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:49.440
on the weekends when they don't have
foods, and people like you care for

892
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.840
him on the weekend, but you
don't want to step up and help him

893
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:54.519
out because you don't feel like you're
a billionaire. You don't need to be

894
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:59.559
a billionaire and fell with fans people. You don't need to be a billionaire

895
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.079
in order make a difference in this
world. That's where I'm coming from.

896
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:06.599
And I just I think that message
is lost and ODIs like, you know,

897
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.960
I know that you as you know
in your role with Playfly, who

898
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:15.159
is the media multi mean the right
holder for Michigan State Athletics. Understand this

899
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.719
from a big, perfect, a
holistic view. What is your opinion on

900
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:24.840
like how we can help people that
don't know where to go and how to

901
01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:28.360
go? I mean there's some things
that are cooking in the background, right

902
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:34.039
I mean, you're on you're on
mute. I know, Jim, I

903
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:39.519
know, yeah, that's Jim for
your show. We let you go work,

904
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:43.559
continue our conversation here, but you
know, appreciate you're going to bring

905
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:45.519
We're going to bring you back.
You're going to bring you back, you

906
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.320
know, because I think this is
a hot one. Man. We got

907
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.960
some more stuff to talk, but
I know your show is plugged right here.

908
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:58.519
Uh, you know, watching Spartan
Man Live. Right back in our

909
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:00.599
day when you when you had an
article on Spartan Matt, you know you

910
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:06.679
made it when Yeah, yeah,
back in our day Spartan bag paper.

911
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:10.280
Yeah cool. Yeah, I appreciate
you. I appreciate you guys saying that

912
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.559
it's all all website now. Spartan
Mag dot Com is part of the on

913
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:17.239
three network. Spartanmag dot Com.
Tonight right now at nine to fifteen pm,

914
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.280
we have Spartan Mag Live. Just
just search it on the YouTube channel.

915
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:22.360
Once the show is finished, you
go find it. You can catch

916
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.719
up with it, but and then
check out as we go forward in the

917
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:30.400
off season. Spartan Mag Live over
on the YouTube channel here. Thanks a

918
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:32.960
lot of guys. Looks and background, Jim, love that background press box,

919
01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:40.800
stadium press box. That's game day
during COVID. Yeah so Jim.

920
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.280
Yeah, we'll love to have you
back. We'll love to have you back

921
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:47.599
on the show again. Really appreciate
you coming on. Thank you for asking

922
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:50.480
me. It was a pleasure you
guys. Take care. We'll see us

923
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.280
soon. Thank you absolutely too.
Thanks you. But I mean back to

924
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:58.800
your question straight. I know you
asked me about what about you know what

925
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.079
am I seeing in the escape of
initially what NIL was intended to be,

926
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.599
right, it was one, you
have a corporate business, you have corporate

927
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:15.239
partners you have the entities of more
so internally athletics utilizing images of ourselves and

928
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:20.960
promoting it marketing. But from a
corporate partnership standpoint, it's truly intended for

929
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:27.360
players to then build their personal brands
and then gardner those royalties or those fees

930
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.760
or those payments from being promoted.
That's social, that's digital, that is

931
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:36.559
making appearances. Basically what we have
done deemed necessary with I Hop and Kyle

932
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.880
and others and you know Jolly Pumpkin
with the Juice Squad office alignment. That

933
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.960
is the that is the attendant purpose
for NIL. Now when you go from

934
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:52.199
now we're playing pay to play,
like that's where I think the NCAA also

935
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.480
we saw the beast, you know
from the long Game, but it was

936
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.320
so russ like you know, basically
nca able to force their hands like we

937
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:04.000
need to make sure our players are
getting this. And it really starts with

938
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:09.440
merchandise and peril sales of you have
numbers out there back when we played,

939
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.199
you just had numbers that were going
out but you knew that was your number,

940
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.480
but you didn't have the name on
it, but you didn't get royalties

941
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.800
from that personally. And I think
that's now how it's set up to where

942
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:23.719
any autograph sessions anything signed up,
you know you're able to then get that

943
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:27.599
money back and it's really easy.
Money from a standpoint, helped me build

944
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.880
my brand if I aligned with the
corporate partner, and that's what it's supposed

945
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.159
to be. Just stay in the
fact. Yeah, I get that,

946
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:38.719
and let's let's let's make something clear
here. I think, like you know,

947
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:41.079
I might be on the island of
my own, but I know I

948
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.039
don't think so with this group that's
on here otis and myself like this.

949
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.119
You know, I know we're talking
nil and how you can support and everything

950
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:56.039
like that, but I'll go unstated, like, I don't think it's about

951
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.960
money for Keon Coleman. It's not
about that. I get it. Yeah,

952
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.800
you want to see what's out there. I think it's about positioning himself

953
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:11.920
to be in the best position to
get to the next level. You know,

954
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:15.519
I don't think he's going into transfer
portal because he wants more money.

955
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.559
I don't think it's that that's the
reason I think he's in there to see,

956
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:24.079
Hey, you know, I don't
know we have a quarter you know,

957
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:27.079
we're not we're not committing to a
quarterback. We have a quarterback battle.

958
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.440
Who's gonna throw in the ball?
You know, I don't know.

959
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:30.719
Am I gonna get this mantarius?
Am I gonna get that? Am I

960
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.280
gonna get this? Let me see
what's out there? And it's a business

961
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:39.199
decision on his part, you know. So I don't you know, I

962
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:42.599
don't think you know, it's it's
it's the it's the money side of things,

963
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:46.159
So don't I don't want. What
I don't want is fans to look

964
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:51.360
at this guy and think it's it's
some type of holdout situation he's holding out

965
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:56.519
for more money because he's not.
You know, that's not the case with

966
01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:00.480
Keon. Keon wants to play football. Ke On. We all talked to

967
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.159
Kean and all he said is like, screw, I want to play football.

968
01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:05.679
I want to play I want to
play in the NFL. I want

969
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:11.360
to know that's where that money will
come, you know. So that's I

970
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.800
want to get that out there.
You know, Like it's not about the

971
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:18.599
money with Keon. So I think, like I, I don't know if

972
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:24.559
it's just wishful thinking, if it's
whatever, but I strongly, strongly believe

973
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:29.960
that Keon will come back and he
will be playing as a Spartan this year.

974
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:32.920
Man, from your lips of God's
ears. Man, you know,

975
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:38.039
Yeah, let's be clear this.
When I'm talking about players that are struggling

976
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:40.320
on the weekend, I'm not talking
about ke On. Keon. We we

977
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.920
said it. You're right that that's
I want to be very crystal clear.

978
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:47.960
This is not a Keon play.
I'm talking about other players that may follow

979
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:53.519
after this. We've seen it before, you're seeing in other schools, and

980
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.840
it's look, twenty five percent of
players I think I've just seen Laura Rupe

981
01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:01.079
in the comments talking about twenty five
percent of the players in the draft transferred.

982
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:05.599
Okay, that's a stat that we
haven't seen before in the NFL draft.

983
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:11.960
Guys. So there are players that
make business decisions, not just for

984
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:15.559
the money right now, to get
themselves into a position to be noticed.

985
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:20.639
Look at Keith Walker. Look at
Kenneth Walker. He's the guy that at

986
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:25.039
Waite Force. Was he gonna get
the Notrewiley? Was he gonna get on

987
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:30.119
national television every single week. No, coming to Michigan State gave him that

988
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:34.079
platform. He knew his athletic ability
was there. But it's positioning yourself and

989
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:40.519
putting yourself on that platform to get
that spotlight and get that look. You

990
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:42.719
know, yeah, I get it. You know people that will find you,

991
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.239
Yes, they will find you,
but it's a lot easier to find

992
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:50.519
you when you're in their face.
Yes, it's a lot easier to find

993
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.639
you know, when CBS is paying
eight billion dollars to take your games every

994
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:59.920
day, you know, yes,
yeah, we talked like that's some great

995
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.599
deal. So we know guarantee you
will be on CBS every home game in

996
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:08.039
Mission State. Like it is what
it is, man, But with everybody

997
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.079
out there hearing about CBS, but
that's what's coming, That's what's coming down

998
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:15.560
the pipe right now, USC versus
you know, Penn State on CBS,

999
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:20.760
that's that's coming. So you know
when we're talking about top us SEC on

1000
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:26.800
CBS, it's the big ten on
CVS Big ten, that's right, yep.

1001
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.680
And they wrote a big check for
it. Guys. Look, you

1002
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:33.840
know, like overall I think that
we've we've we're trying to convey this that

1003
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:39.000
it's really not a time to panic
for Michigan State's you know, fan base

1004
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.640
at all. I think that you've
seen, you know, we all felt

1005
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:46.279
that that initial shock that happened was
at Sunday when everybody entered the portal on

1006
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.680
the last day of the portal.
Those three players one came back, you

1007
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:57.600
know, when eisen moving forward.
You know, you see the coaches of

1008
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.239
recruiting, you know, you know
that, you know there's there's been a

1009
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.720
you know, you're looking at who's
gonna play quarterback next? You're looking to

1010
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:08.239
know what Kim that's that's jay U's
guy. You know know what Kim is

1011
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:13.159
him? And and here we have
some uh here there's the players right here

1012
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.960
telling everyone to settle down. Guys. Can you read some of those those

1013
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.960
tweets? Yeah, you say,
Spartan nation has a lot to look forward

1014
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:24.239
to, believe it. You know. The best one I thought was one

1015
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:30.079
there uh there, I said,
there is no saying redacts, but Trey

1016
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.199
Moseley was like the ship gonna saill
regardless. But what we say on our

1017
01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:39.439
you know, I saw the coach
D'Antonio always say we are going together in

1018
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:44.159
one direction. If you feel that
the heat in the kitchen, getting too

1019
01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:45.800
hot, jump off the bus,
but like we're gonna keep going, you

1020
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:49.359
know, regardless. And I think
that's the standpoint of how spartans respond,

1021
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:53.720
Like we we're resilient. Whoever suits
tough for us, we're gonna ride with

1022
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.319
and we're gonna go to battle with. And it's just that simple. And

1023
01:09:56.439 --> 01:09:59.640
we also going to support the guys
that make the decisions to do what's best

1024
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:01.520
for them. So I'm all about, like, you know, one,

1025
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:08.399
let's call the Spadus fade, Like
I'm tired of just the lack of consistency

1026
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:15.279
and support. Like yeah, just
just just support, Like we just support.

1027
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.079
That's it. Like just we are
all all American coaches, general general

1028
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:24.079
managers. You know, if you
didn't play the support, like just support,

1029
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:26.199
man. This is your Alma monter, this is the fan base,

1030
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:29.520
and there's the people that you love. Just show your love so that when

1031
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.199
guys do hit the portal, they
don't see all the bad ju ju that

1032
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:35.039
you're sitting out to the air right
and be like you know what, they

1033
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:39.640
just showed their face. I'm gonna
go somewhere. I'm being celebrated the love.

1034
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:43.239
So I feel like as a collective
unit Spartan Nation. As a fan,

1035
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:46.079
just support and that's my that's off
my soapbox, to drop my mind.

1036
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:58.600
Support support number fourteen. He's gonna
be fil I like that. I

1037
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:01.039
like that support because the other players
that may be looking to come to Michigan

1038
01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:05.079
State are watching. They're watching,
their parents are watching. They're paying attention

1039
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:09.439
to these things, you know,
looking into comments and seeing how this fan

1040
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:13.520
base reacts to things that that are
are you know, look at listen,

1041
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:15.359
look at how you know emotional.
We all are getting about this, like

1042
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.520
the fan base, and how would
you like to be a coach right now?

1043
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:24.520
Like you how hard it is?
I mean it's it's incredibly hard.

1044
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:27.760
It's difficult. And you know,
to that point, there was a new

1045
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:32.239
hire guys. You know, Mel
Tucker did hire a new recruiting director here,

1046
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:41.239
Executive Director of Player Personnel and Recruiting, Mark Dethorn. Shoot the Spartan

1047
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:45.479
Nation. Mark, welcome to Welcome, Let's get it done. You shoot

1048
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:46.800
you tell me, you know,
I know you you've done some homework on

1049
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:55.479
Mark, and tell me what's your
opinion? Hey five? Yeah, you

1050
01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:58.399
know, I think Mark's gonna be
good, you know whatever, He's asked

1051
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:00.399
of him. It depends what you
know you ask him to do, He's

1052
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.319
gonna do it. He's a spartan. Now, he's been around some uh

1053
01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:06.960
you know, he was that pit
with coaching our dooozy. So he understands

1054
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:10.680
the culture about, you know,
what it's like to be at Michigan State.

1055
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.399
He understands that pressure of what it's
like to be at Michigan State.

1056
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.680
I think he's gonna be fine.
He's gonna come in and uh, he's

1057
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:17.239
gonna get his footing under him and
he's gonna, you know, let's get

1058
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:25.119
this thing going. Previously at Virginia
Tech and and Pitt so welcome to the

1059
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:27.760
family. I mean, he's got
a lot of work. You gotta roll

1060
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:31.199
up his sleeves and get the work
right away. And we behind, yeah,

1061
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:35.199
we behind a little bit. So
go ahead, come in thousand percent,

1062
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:41.119
make us run, make us splash. Yeah, get them on for

1063
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:45.079
sure. Can I give a shameless
plug? Please do? All right?

1064
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:47.880
So I'm watching the show here.
We really this is our highest number of

1065
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:50.960
you right now. You know everyone
needs to take a second. Hit that

1066
01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:57.920
like button right now. Hit that
like button right now, because without you,

1067
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:02.520
guys, we can't do this.
So that's my shameless plug. Yeah,

1068
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:06.720
we uh gross about one seventy was
like, okay, all right,

1069
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:12.479
so I will I will give some
I will give some uh some insight,

1070
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.720
all right, you know, I
will get some insight here. You know.

1071
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:20.800
I I've always talked about how I
like Noah Kim. I always talked

1072
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:24.760
about how I think he's the guy. He has to arm strength, he

1073
01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:29.359
has to you know, the smarts
to accument for it and everything like that,

1074
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:32.239
you know, through all this and
like that that tweet he said there,

1075
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.039
you know, he's like, hey, you know we're gonna go.

1076
01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:41.000
You know, Spartan Nation has a
lot to be to look forward to believe

1077
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.840
it. That is that's someone that's
you know, assuming that role as a

1078
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:47.720
leader. That's a leader you don't
taken everybody and saying Spartan Nation relaxed.

1079
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:51.039
We got this because at the end
of the day, September one, Friday

1080
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:54.079
night, September first, Central Michigan
is coming to time. We're going to

1081
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:58.000
play a football game. Whoever's on
the fit, We're gonna play a football

1082
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:00.720
game. But I feel comfortable,
feel confident, and I feel comfortable with

1083
01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:05.039
number fourteen. He's been he's been
in the program. He's he understands.

1084
01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:09.279
He's been on the sideline, he's
been in the games and everything like that.

1085
01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:13.560
It's not like we have some guy
that's unknown that's coming in, you

1086
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.720
know. So, yeah, he's
gonna have he's gonna have this ups and

1087
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.199
downs and everything like that. But
he's gonna have more ups than he's gonna

1088
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:25.199
have downs. This kid, he's
working for it. He's working for it

1089
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:28.239
all right. He's not just sitting
back and saying, like, give me

1090
01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:33.319
the position. He's working for it. So this is mindful because I believe

1091
01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:39.720
in this head. This is just
believing this kid, you know. And

1092
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:43.319
and I'm all for I think he's
gonna do really good things. Uh for

1093
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.479
this part. He's gonna shock a
lot of people. Some people that doubt

1094
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.640
him, He's gonna shock them.
And I love the chip that he has

1095
01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:53.960
on his shoulders. You know.
I won't disclose the conversations him and I

1096
01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:58.720
have had, but I love his
confidence and I love where his head's at

1097
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:01.319
right now. Well, you gotta
you gotta award him for it. Stay

1098
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:05.199
in the course is what true is, because like you could have hit the

1099
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:10.079
portal at any given time, he's
been here but he stayed the course.

1100
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:14.079
He's all about team, he's all
about Hey, when my time comes,

1101
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:17.119
I will not lose that, right, I would take full advantage of it.

1102
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:20.279
And he does come in every time
you see and what does he do

1103
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:25.640
straight down the field? Right,
it doesn't matter if it's garbage minutes.

1104
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:30.239
He's just stays the course. He's
confident. He doesn't lose that confidence.

1105
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:33.279
I would you do to like,
because like, look at first, I

1106
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:43.000
was like really at first, I
would say like I was. At first,

1107
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.479
I was like, man, look, we all know, like that's

1108
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:50.640
the hottest seat is quarterback, Like
it is the most scrutinized position obviously kickers,

1109
01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:55.000
head coaches, but like in that
order, right, But for him

1110
01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:59.319
to sit there and it's truly like, I'm gonna support the QB one,

1111
01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:02.000
I'm gonna do my part. But
he's been behind number two, and truly

1112
01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:05.800
who knows the playbook better than number
two? I mean it's him, right,

1113
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:10.600
So to that point, I think
Coach Johnson is going to truly get

1114
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:13.039
in out of that room and get
him right and get him tight. But

1115
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.680
like we're gonna have a new juice. A new tournay of the page,

1116
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.960
new chapter and just sell the consistent
support for us. Someone who's going to

1117
01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:24.479
be able to learn. He has
he has that security blanket because he has

1118
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:34.680
number five in the backfield. Nate
Carter see saw his comment. We really

1119
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:42.680
aren't sure who you really we don't
know what's the Kim's number? Four?

1120
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:46.720
Two? What's we said? Fourteen? Yeah? So one four? What's

1121
01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:53.560
for minus one? Oh? Boy? One? What is that for?

1122
01:16:54.560 --> 01:17:02.319
One three? That's the number of
draft Michigan State had. Welcome about that

1123
01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:10.960
guy. Here we go. We
got Jadeen Reid going second round pick number

1124
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:17.319
fifty overall to the Packers, to
Jane Reed. He's gonna be mayor a

1125
01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:24.279
nightmare for you Lions fans. Yea, you got you gotta see him twice.

1126
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.399
You are a Bill's guy. Don't
talk about us, bro. You

1127
01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:30.920
stay on that side on the Bill's
my field. Just stay in your just

1128
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:33.560
stay in your lane. Don't worry
about what we got over here. Man.

1129
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:41.479
Bryce Berger goes to the sweater vessel
in New England who picked the nioker

1130
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:45.159
and a punter in the draft.
By the way, Hey, you know

1131
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:49.239
special teams wins championships too, brother, He's not like the forty nine ers.

1132
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:55.399
I know you're just But then also, the sweater vests picks a mere

1133
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:59.960
Speed. Why you calling the sweater
vest he's the hoodie. I'm sorry,

1134
01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:09.319
you're right, Yeah, you're absolutely
right, Trestle's sweater vest. I'm jet

1135
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:14.039
lagged, as you know, but
you're right, the hoodie picked a mere

1136
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:15.640
Speed. And right, so that's
two too. I mean, Mel,

1137
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:21.000
you know Belichick Belichick sabing Mel,
I mean, hey man, so he's

1138
01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:25.760
evaluating talent Amir Speed, like talk
about him, like no one really talked

1139
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:30.840
a lot about him being drafted because
of what we thought the production on the

1140
01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:34.760
field, but his traits, his
physical tools, him making that move to

1141
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:39.279
go to the Georgia Pro Day guys
that might have paid diffidence for him.

1142
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:45.079
M well, you know, Bill, Bill Belichick loves those like physical bbs

1143
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.640
like you think about the Twins and
the mc cordy brothers, right, like

1144
01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:54.359
smart, you know, we know
Amir Speed's gonna tackle, like we know

1145
01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:57.439
that. I think as well,
you converted, where can he make that

1146
01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:00.039
transition of you know, you need
some PBUs, need some interceptions in the

1147
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:03.479
league, right, and so now
we know he's a specimen where he ran

1148
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.640
what for four you know, and
he's what I feel like. I think

1149
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:13.199
he's like six five four three four
three four to three and sound like too.

1150
01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:17.840
As his times went from four to
three to four or five. Yeah,

1151
01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:23.640
he said, yeah, yeah,
we get it. Speed was great.

1152
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:27.000
Yeah, let's go to the guys
that you know are gonna make an

1153
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.399
impact there. We got some other
guys that went undrafted, but they're gonna

1154
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:34.479
be Look, I'm gonna get you, now stick with it. No,

1155
01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:39.079
Kim's fourteen four plus one is five. We got five undrafted free agents there.

1156
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:45.479
We go guys Kims everywhere. Xavier
Henderson going to the Washington Commanders.

1157
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:47.680
I think that's a very good fit
for him. I love what they're doing

1158
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.079
then, and I love the fact
that he has an opportunity to play.

1159
01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:54.560
I think he's a guy that would
have got drafted if he didn't have that

1160
01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.279
bum leg. But I think,
you know, healthy, he's gonna do

1161
01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:02.600
something. Ben ven Summer going into
him loaded loaded team with the Philadelphia Eagles.

1162
01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:04.960
There, you know he's going to
be a hell of a player.

1163
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:11.439
Jacob Slade getting that money before he
even steps field, even steps foot on

1164
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:16.239
the field, getting that guaranteed money, you know, with the Cardinals,

1165
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:21.560
Ken Dell Brooks also with the Cardinals
is always great when you have former teammates

1166
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:26.840
on the same team together, you
can navigate the rookie life together. And

1167
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:33.039
then you have Jared Harsh, that
lineman going to that Dolphins Miami loves Michigan

1168
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:36.760
State Dolphin lineman's you know, they
picked up a ton of them, you

1169
01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:40.960
know, in the past. But
you know those guys there, you know,

1170
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:44.159
congratulations to those guys. That's not
where you get from. How you

1171
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.000
start the journey is how you finish
the journey. Those guys are going to

1172
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:51.640
be great spartans going on for hair
on out. We can't forget about Ronald

1173
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:58.279
Williams. Justin Perkinson's here, who's
just been invited to camp at forty nine

1174
01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:03.520
ers one a year old up and
grounds. You know. Look, Jared

1175
01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:08.000
Horst also, you know, being
the first pick in the USFL draft for

1176
01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:11.920
the Michigan Pansas, looks like he's
going to He's going south. He's not.

1177
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:13.880
You don't want to be in the
snow man. He's going down there

1178
01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:16.640
in Miami. Good time, you
know. So guys, look, look,

1179
01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:19.199
look there's a lot today. I
mean lots of the fact. I

1180
01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:23.600
mean in the involvement from the chat
room. I mean, well over six

1181
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:28.199
hundred comments. It's crazy. That's
final comments from you guys before we get

1182
01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:31.399
out of here. Otis well,
I'm done. I've said all I hand.

1183
01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:38.920
You know I'm good. Next,
next, on to the next one.

1184
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.039
Maybe like I'm ready to rick Man, ready to turn the stage finals

1185
01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:46.359
with you know, turnage had We're
going to talk about that because you know,

1186
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:50.319
you know to too. I can
remember last show and wonder what's the

1187
01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:54.720
last show we had when we were
talking about a quarterback going into the portal

1188
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:57.079
for Notre Dame, and he said, once you go into portal, you

1189
01:21:57.079 --> 01:22:01.760
don't want him back. It's completely
when it's your own, it's okay.

1190
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:10.600
We're gonna all that Thursday when you
go, when you go, And we

1191
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:15.720
had a little shame because you know, I said, it's okay to bring

1192
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:21.199
him back, and you know,
well, hey, because you never you

1193
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:27.960
never feel it's gonna happen to you. You never feel that girl you how

1194
01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:35.720
she then you're gonna take her back? Never feel mean to podcast melody guys.

1195
01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:40.760
Very soon we're gonna pull up that
tape. Hey man, let's bring

1196
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:44.640
out Hey look, let's do a
throw back rubens stutter because this is not

1197
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:55.159
sorry for two thousand, that is, and maybe maybe we gotta we gotta,

1198
01:22:55.199 --> 01:23:05.039
we gotta get Chuck the newly sign
the reborn Chuck Brandley him on the

1199
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:09.920
born again Chuck Brantley. Look,
guys, even fantastic show. Thanks to

1200
01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:16.720
Jim uh Macaroni comparone. That's what
he said, Jim comperone. Okay,

1201
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.439
all right, we did you know? It's right, John John, thanks

1202
01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:28.239
for coming John now Spartan may that
was our excellent analysis, John John.

1203
01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:32.680
That's what he said. And somebody
called him John for twenty Joe Joe whatever,

1204
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:36.560
guys, great show you know for
for otis Wiley, Jay U coacher,

1205
01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:40.600
I'm Jason Tree or this is fart
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1206
01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:54.680
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1207
01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:59.000
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1208
01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:03.800
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1209
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