1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,320 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,160 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. This man and the Saucerer. Can you describe 4 00:00:18,199 --> 00:00:25,640 him well, sir? He was small and skinny. His head was pointed 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,519 but came to a very sharp point. He had long green hair. His 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,719 eyes were a sort of purplish red. He had large ears but performed like 7 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:43,560 an antenna. His teeth were perfect but spread far apart. And I noticed 8 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:50,320 too, a jacket of some sort of spun glass and bright red but gallic 9 00:00:50,399 --> 00:00:53,840 shoes. You say this all took place in a few seconds. Can you 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,960 tell me what colored tie I'm wearing? Missor Sir, I didn't notice. 11 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,320 You mean to say you can remember everything about this man from the spaceship, 12 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,159 his hair, the color of his eyes, the clothing he was wearing. 13 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,359 And yet after all this time, you can't tell me the color of my 14 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:51,519 tie. But you didn't come out of a flying saucer. Let me know 15 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:53,879 when you've got your instruments ready. I need all the figures I can get. 16 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:59,280 Hello, this is Nick Pope and you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio 17 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:05,799 Network, the UK's biggest paranormal network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David 18 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:17,080 Young. Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm David Young. I 19 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,080 have another extra show for you. Well I'm not really a football fan, 20 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:25,400 but as this show goes out, what the amazing week of football it's been. 21 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,560 Unfortunately, as I record, I don't know who's going to be the 22 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:35,000 winner for Sunday, but I hope he was England. Anyway, for this 23 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,960 show, I've got another great guest, another good friend, and his name 24 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:44,039 is Philip Kinsella. Anyone who's listened to the show regularly or on the occasion 25 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:47,120 will know that I've had Philip on the show several times. Well, Phillip's 26 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,759 had a new book out for a few months and it's a bit of a 27 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:58,560 tongue twister. It's called Terrestrial Trespassers and it's about UFOs invading our airspace and 28 00:02:59,039 --> 00:03:02,199 are the aliens be ended? So I take great pleasure in welcoming Philip can 29 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,800 cellar Bets to the show. Hello Philip, Welcome to the show, oh 30 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:09,159 David, and thank you very much for having me back on. It's an 31 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:13,240 honor. It's yeah, it's been a few months since we did a show 32 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:15,879 before. I think maybe maybe even a better year. I don't know. 33 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:22,199 Well, obviously we did beat up at the Awakening in Manchester. That was 34 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,919 about about ten months ago. There was it, Yes, that was Yes, 35 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,439 that was about ten months ago. Yes, because I had a great 36 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:32,039 time. Yeah, and unfortunately, yes, that was its last one. 37 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:37,039 Yeah, we went to the to the one this year. We went to 38 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:43,439 the Awakening this year that was up north and that was that was the last 39 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:46,520 one. I think, Yeah, yeah, that was was that this year? 40 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,599 All laughter. Anyway, it doesn't better the wonder I saw your last 41 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:53,800 time. Oh that was last year when we met yes day. Anyway, 42 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,639 unfortunately that's sort of that. That was the last that was this demise. 43 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,599 But I understand it's going to be re awakening again somehow in another form with 44 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,120 steam Mirror. So oh, yes, I have to wait to see how 45 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,159 that goes. Yes, yeah, we we. I don't know too much 46 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:17,279 about any of that, but certainly, you know, it would be nice 47 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,600 to see it kicking back off again and things coming together. I hope that's 48 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:25,240 the case, anyway, David, Yeah, absolutely, me too. And 49 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:30,560 for everyone out there Philip that I do know each other pretty well regard Philip 50 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,920 was one of my best friends actually the same as as well, really well. 51 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,319 And the thing is though that you know, we're on the same page, 52 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,079 and I think that's really important with all of us. You know, 53 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:44,399 it's so nice when you have that wonderful friendship, comradeship, and also with 54 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,279 other researchers, not just here in England, in the United States of America, 55 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:50,439 it's wonderful. Yeah. And also not to leave Ronnie out, your 56 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,439 twin brother, Oh yes, no, yes, I mean you come as 57 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:58,839 a pair, don't they. That does sometimes get us into trouble because we 58 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,279 have views about your apology in the Bow normal. I know you've kind of 59 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:08,720 got some varied views about it. But because because Roddie is more into like 60 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:13,160 the fictional side, I believe really for yourself, yes, yeah, I 61 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:15,439 mean I'm the nuts and bolts, but also the theoretical part. I like 62 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,399 to dig where most people are trying to dig and look into those areas. 63 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:24,279 I think Bronnie is very practical in his approach. Yes, he's very much 64 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:28,680 like my grandfather, but I am more open to a lot more theoretical context. 65 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:31,040 So that's where we differ in terms of that. And it is funny 66 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:34,079 sometimes because you know, I'm working on my projects, he's working on his, 67 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:36,800 and Ronnie will be like, well, this is what I'm saying, 68 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,439 and I said, well, yes, well we have to be open to 69 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:43,720 that. We can't say that that's what it is. Yea. And of 70 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,800 course Ronnie is a fantastic artist. And for anyone that listening out there, 71 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,920 we'll have Roddie in about a month's time. Yes, I've got the show 72 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:55,720 fixed for him, so we'll have dy Roddy can sell it on in a 73 00:05:55,759 --> 00:06:00,160 few weeks. But so anyway, let's concentrate on you Philip. Now we're 74 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:04,399 talking about your new book, which is Terrestrial Trespassers. Yeah, well they 75 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,519 knew. It's been out for a few months now, isn't it. But 76 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:13,160 yes, yes, yeah, the new book Terrestrial Trespasses. You know, 77 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:15,439 it was a hard book to write, I think, you know, in 78 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:21,000 terms of euphology. And I must say here that even after my abduction, 79 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,879 that back in nineteen eighty nine, the Winch of nineteen eighty nine, some 80 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,639 years later in nineteen ninety six, I had this revolutionary speculation or this understanding 81 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:35,560 about the grade and the aduction phenomena. And you know, back in the 82 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:39,040 day, as you know, David, as we do. You know, 83 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:41,879 back in the eighties and nineties, most people were under the impression that we'll 84 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,839 be dealing with something that you know, was coming from another planet, very 85 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:47,959 physical based and very structured with an our material realm. But it's just so 86 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:54,439 amazing to see how a lot of thoughts in terms of that structuring of how 87 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,839 we viewed the OFO phenomena has changed considerably back then and talk to where we 88 00:06:59,879 --> 00:07:03,839 are now. I even remember when I was involved in even years ago, 89 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,360 when I was interested in UFO research, iseed to take myself to the local 90 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:13,800 library and do a project on Roswell and the Lockness Monster, I must admit, 91 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:16,040 and there were very few books available, but we were in the paper 92 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:19,399 shop, me, my brother and my grandparents and there was a paperback of 93 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:25,759 the High NIUFO Reporter. What drew me to the paperback was the picture of 94 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,600 the flying saucer on the cover in the clouds, and it's like I wanted 95 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,720 to book, and my grandmother bought it for me, even though I didn't 96 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:34,639 understand the statistic information in there. At that time, I just thought it 97 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,439 looked good to have a book with the UFO on the cover. So, 98 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,560 you know, back in the day, there were very few of them around, 99 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,800 but now, of course the market is swamped with them, and that's 100 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,399 because a lot more people are open minded and looking into different areas about what 101 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:51,279 it is that we could be possibly dealing with. Yeah. Absolutely, and 102 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:57,240 I do believe that when considering talking about your book before that you'd have public 103 00:07:57,319 --> 00:08:03,079 deceived. Yes, you seem to. We had the hypothesis that things are 104 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,439 being covered up much of the time, that the pails would be know a 105 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,600 lot more than they let on, and they cover everything up. Oh yes, 106 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,360 absolutely. I mean not just by the military elite, but also and 107 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:22,319 if I may use the word beyond government as it were, the secret government. 108 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:24,480 And most people people will just naturally assume, oh, yes, you 109 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:28,079 know, it's all conspiracy. Well that's all very well and true, but 110 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,799 that conspiracy has changed somewhat to bring more truth to the table, because back 111 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,639 in the day, you know, people were telling us, even the media 112 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,240 that's controlled by these uh you know, these echelons in charge, that the 113 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,960 name is faceless bureaucrats. Oh no, UFOs don't exist, they're not here. 114 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,679 Then we get an admittance, you know, in terms of the Navy 115 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,919 and all the stuff that happened some years ago, now for the revelations, 116 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:56,840 and then of course this new stuff with the Pentagon, and you can see 117 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,080 this enforcement of beliefs from those very high rank individuals within society that are trying 118 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,399 to tell the public. Look, we're being lied to, and the system 119 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,639 still will not budge. It almost has to acknowledge the fact that, you 120 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:16,879 know, such revelations must be you know, examined because it's been taken into 121 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,840 that governmental level. But still they will not tell the public. And I 122 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,399 think there are some reasons behind that, you know, with regards so yes, 123 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,320 absolutely, I mean, you know, not only does the phenomenon so 124 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,440 greete itself from us, but also we have our very own people on this 125 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:35,559 planet who are trying to keep all of that away from our attention too. 126 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:39,759 So we're in a no win scenario. The only thing that we can rely 127 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,600 on are reports and also connectecting with those researchers that we link with to see 128 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,039 what we can find in terms of evidence, and of course there's very little 129 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:56,000 evidence other than the you know, visual recording or radar recording, and of 130 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,759 course witness testimony that we rely on as truth. You know, I know 131 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,480 there's a lot of people out there who are not truthful, who don't, 132 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:09,360 you know, tell it how it is. But you know, eventually those 133 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:13,039 people get found out. So I think, you know, now we're in 134 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,960 exciting times because people are really beginning to push for they call disclosure. Where 135 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,159 we get it, We're not sure And you can speak quite clearly on that 136 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,080 because you are an actual witness. Yes, And I stayed for the record. 137 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:31,200 And the last incredible sighting there's been no more since, was on the 138 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:37,919 ninth of April twenty sixteen with those three huge UFOs that my niece had filmed. 139 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:39,720 And it's a long story of when we were coming back from an early 140 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:45,840 birthday meilbing my brother that night, a cold, starlit night, with those 141 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:48,279 three objects and they had been tracked all the way from the hours of silly. 142 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,679 There was another research of that contacted me who's no longer very sadly on 143 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,039 the side of life, Dave Twine, and of course this opened up a 144 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,720 lot more speculation about these crafts that were seen. But on that night, 145 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,159 question when they're being tracked. They had to send it right over us, 146 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,200 Me and my brother, the three of them, and they were not from 147 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,159 this world. That's the only way I could explain it to you. But 148 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,600 again, you know I had a mobile phone on me, it was in 149 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,440 my man bag. Why didn't I take the phone out to film? But 150 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,039 even then, you see even the footation that my niece filmed when they're on 151 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,000 their way to us, because they'd also been at the mill and left about 152 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,320 ten minutes before us, and that the whole event transpired on that night. 153 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,960 But even if you did bring that film footage forward, people say I want 154 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,960 proof, I want evidence, Yeah, and it's yeah. But David, 155 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:39,679 you know, at the end of the day, what will convince a skeptical 156 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,720 person. I will tell you what will nothing if I told you and I 157 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,120 don't. But if I said to you, oh, I've got a piece 158 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,320 of the debris for the Boswell crash, and let's just say, I mean 159 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,240 I don't. I'm just staying for the record. I did, and I'm 160 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:54,720 being honest with you, and I was. No one would believe you. 161 00:11:54,919 --> 00:12:01,399 They wouldn't. So I think this tell us a great deal about not only 162 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,279 conscious distance, but the way that the systems programmed the public. And it's 163 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,440 something that is a problem, I think, a real major problem, because 164 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,840 there's you know, the the public have been programmed and that's the problem not 165 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:20,440 just within the areas of UFO research or cryptozoology or paranormal research, but also 166 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:24,879 within the religious infrastructures as well. So this is I think that this is 167 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:28,039 the problem that the system has. Oh you know, this is why they 168 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,559 can't tell the public, because the public will then realize that they have been 169 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,840 lied to by the people that we look up to for you know, no 170 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:39,840 truth as it were. I think a lot depends also on the person who 171 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:43,159 tell you. And how will you know that person? I mean, I 172 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,200 know that if you told me you had a piece of roswellt the roswell cresh, 173 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,320 I believe you. I know you haven't actually that's by the buyer, 174 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,639 But I know you. What what I'm saying is I know you wouldn't be 175 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,639 lying about it, That's what I mean, That's right. I mean. 176 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:01,919 The thing is though, within the you FO field of investigations, it's very 177 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,879 tricky waters. And this is what I think anyone that's a research or author 178 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:13,639 experience up whatever category that you fall into. I found this as well too. 179 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,320 I mean, I know those very good, trusting, honest, integral 180 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:24,519 souls that I connect with. And it's very sad also because it's not just 181 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:28,799 dealing with truth and honesty and those individuals that come across as as very grounded, 182 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,840 but you also will invariably get attacked, which I am constantly and many 183 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,639 other researchers, and I know that you know, yeah, but there are 184 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:43,120 people out there that for some reason they don't like what you bring to the 185 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,159 table, they don't agree with you, or they just don't like you full 186 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,919 stop. And you know, some of them don't even know me, and 187 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,840 yet they write about you as if they really do know you. So that 188 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,720 we don't only have a problem with regards to trying to fathom what we're dealing 189 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,919 with, and that up against also those establishments, establishments of power that are 190 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,159 keeping this all to themselves, but also the people on our level. So 191 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,559 David, it is it's a war. No, no, yeah, well, 192 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:18,559 you know it amazes me because me knowing you as you are, I 193 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:24,639 can't imagine anyone not liking you, you understand me, yes, yeah, 194 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:30,200 yeah, those people that obviously insult you or what they do I call your 195 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:33,120 names or where, but they honestly don't know you, because I can't imagine 196 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,919 anyone who actually knows you would that you feel that way about you. You 197 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,480 know, it just doesn't make sense to me. No, and it doesn't 198 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:41,519 with me. And I think that's why that you know, most of us 199 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:46,080 within this area of research, not just within you ever research or psychical research, 200 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:52,519 and I mean serious psychical research, you will get those people who don't 201 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,039 agree with your opinions or they just want to see things their way. And 202 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,399 I've always said, as long as we have human beings on the planet, 203 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,320 by the way, we're still trying to work out what we're about, you'll 204 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,399 never have any form of, you know, equilibrium with regards to how people 205 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,600 deal with things. So you just have to live with it either phrase. 206 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,480 And yet it does hurt quite a lot when you get people who hide behind 207 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:22,559 their keyboard and use fake names and just deliberately out to attack you. For 208 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,200 goodness sake, at the end of the day, we should we all working 209 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,720 together, truthfully and honestly to try and establish what it is that we're dealing 210 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:33,200 with here, you know, instead of like arguing about whose right and who's 211 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,879 wrong all those who want whole position to discover the holy grill of what this 212 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,200 is all about so that they get star status or walk the red carpet within 213 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,840 yourphology. I mean, it's nice to be recognized, yes, but it's 214 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,919 a very difficult area to walk because you know, whichever path you take, 215 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,720 you'll always find that some people are ready to redirect you into another corner or 216 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,440 another area entirely. So you know, it's just one of those things, 217 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,480 you know. Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying, that there's 218 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,399 there's a thing about being a gentleman about it. There's several people out there, 219 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:10,600 I'm not gonna name any names or anything, but have got beliefs that 220 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:14,559 I don't believe in. You know, you people say they we never went 221 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,360 to the moon, or all the Earth flat or all that. You know. 222 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:22,240 I don't agree with those opinions, that's what you want to call them, 223 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,080 But I wouldn't go out and start insulting them, and so I'll try 224 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:29,679 to say, well, I'm sorry, I don't agree with this. There's 225 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,039 a couple of people who are good friends actually, who they think we never 226 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,000 went to the moon. But I just told them well, I believe we 227 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,679 did, because that's the end of which, unfortunately, neither of us can 228 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,960 prove either way, can we know? And I've always been very open to 229 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:51,960 all forms of speculation. I have always respected anyone's opinion or how they see 230 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,000 things. There are some individuals, unfortunately, who have put me in a 231 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,840 corner and basically told me that I'm stupid, that my work is worthless. 232 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:02,480 But I don't know what I'm talking about, and I think, yeah, 233 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,640 that has happened, and I have never had anything to do with these people 234 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,640 whatsoever. So you will find this invariably. But one of the things, 235 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,880 the wonderful things, the glorious things, is if you remain truthful and honest 236 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:19,480 and you're dedicated to your cause, you can't go wrong. And you know, 237 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:22,440 although you will get attacked, my goodness me. There was a period 238 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,039 of time many years ago where I was appeared on one program. I think 239 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:30,920 it was met with one point one million views. It was a talk I 240 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,480 did on the Grays and the theoretical model that I had created back in nineteen 241 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:38,319 ninety six with regards to them, and you know, the stuff that was 242 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:44,519 on there was absolutely damaging to my character, my personality, to the nature 243 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:47,799 of who I am as a human being. And of course I've you know, 244 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,000 for some people this this is really important for others out there to know. 245 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,440 For some people, they might not be as strong as I am. 246 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:57,599 And I do know a few people that's savva no longer where it's because of 247 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,599 those very reasons. That is what I found upon. But again we just 248 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,039 have to, you know, grow a stiff, uper lip and move forward. 249 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:10,240 As the British say, David, did you find that it did actually 250 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,400 damage your I want to call it ego, your personality for instance? Did 251 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,200 it actually did you feel damaged by it? Yeah? I felt thwarted. 252 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:22,920 I think at that time. You know, I've got a lot of good 253 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:29,880 friends, your good self and all the others. I did feel very thwarted, 254 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,960 and I was very upset by it all. And you know, I 255 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,319 don't understand. You know, there is enough room on this planet for everyone, 256 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,279 and you know, if we remain open to all forms of conjecture, 257 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:48,319 because what we're dealing with here is a construct I believe that integrates itself on 258 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,319 a personal level within the human psyche, and I think most people are trying 259 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,480 to squeeze into the same box. And you know, we categorize like UFOs 260 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:02,279 as when in one box the dogmen in another sasquatching another the poet that goes 261 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:06,200 on and on and trying to create those links. But then you'll find people 262 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,759 saying, well, no, actually I know all about that, and you 263 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,799 know, I'm not interested in that. We're trying to work to a common 264 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:18,160 denominator of exploring that truth with opening that door. And I've never been one 265 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,680 of these people like I want the fame and the glory and even be saying 266 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,160 this will damage that as well too with certain people because they will see that 267 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,200 as the fensive in fact, so I actually know, I actually know that 268 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,279 firsthand. Of you, Philip, You've got noere ego with you at all 269 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:33,680 about anything, you know, No, no, no, I'm very ground 270 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,839 I'm very fascinated. And the thing that really drives me, David, like 271 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,160 you, as to the truth, to be honest truth. And you know, 272 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,160 I've dealt with a number of people who were not truthful, who lied, 273 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,759 who tried to steer me into their understanding of what was going on, 274 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,079 and I was very polite and very gentlemanly about it, and decided that I 275 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,079 didn't want anything to do with these people anymore. But then I left it. 276 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,200 But they were the ones that started bringing and I found wanted to create 277 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,079 more problems for you. And it's like all you want to do is to 278 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:07,480 shake hand and say Okay, no problem, walk away, and it's like 279 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:11,119 no, they want to put the knife back while they're at it. So 280 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,119 it is an ugly business. But you know, as I said, you 281 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,119 know, I found that with the books, there's there's people who are out 282 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,400 there and they'll deliberately go out there to bring you down. And the only 283 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,079 way they can do that it is my perhaps purchasing a copy of your book 284 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,000 on Amazon and putting a one star and hiding behind a name. But don't 285 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,960 worry. You know, at the end of the day, I'm aware of 286 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,200 those who are genuine. I'm up for any genuine reviews, bad or good. 287 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:40,720 And those that helpuly attack. It's like, well, every researcher gets 288 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:41,720 it, and it's just like, oh God, here we go again. 289 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:47,000 You know, it's okay, and you do obviously. You know, we've 290 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:52,279 both had the experience that some so called research researchers out there will use you 291 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,599 to see what they can get of you for their own good, you know, 292 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,839 to get money. Basically. Yeah. Yeah, I've had some other 293 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,559 people as well that have basically said, well, you know, you've taken 294 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:07,359 my ideas well. No, actually, buddy, my ideas were published back 295 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:12,400 in nineteen ninety six, and so you know then you know, you have 296 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,960 to protect your ground or territory. And it is only theoretical in nature. 297 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,480 And I think that this is a huge area of difficulty that we find. 298 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,640 But I, as said, enjoy the theory. I enjoy the work behind 299 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,359 it. I enjoy the chase, I have the answers, David, No, 300 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,559 I haven't. What we do have is a number of theoretical models so 301 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,720 we can work towards. And this is steering us into some fascinating areas. 302 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,480 But yes, but I have some other good friends in America as well who 303 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,799 also found themselves under that guise of other people lying to them and leading them 304 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,720 in. As you know, David, no names mentioned, and you know, 305 00:21:55,839 --> 00:22:00,640 oh no, no, we won't go there now. No, it 306 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:04,039 is a terrible state of affairs, I must say. I mean also, 307 00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:07,480 I mean, I know for a fact that you've been in the in the 308 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,359 business for a long long time. When you were both young, you and 309 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,839 Ronnie. Yes, and that experience that you had and remember seeing the newspaper 310 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,519 reports and everything when you were both well young teenagers almost all young men. 311 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:25,880 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you want to just 312 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,160 give us a potted version of your your you know, just so we know, 313 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,200 because there may be some people out there listening to this and not know 314 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,200 what the hell are we talking about. Well, I mean I do joke 315 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,000 and say that about yourthology day fish a hard type. Yeah, I mean 316 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,079 we say there's no real experts out there, nobody really knows what's going on. 317 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,039 They no, and you know, well it all started. I think 318 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:56,680 the major case started when my brother and I were thirteen and we had been 319 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,400 staying with our maternal grandparents and all our holidays were spent with them. Basically 320 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,920 they're like second parents to be and my brother and it was me and my 321 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:08,400 twin our grandmother in the garden and they had a big house in Felt, 322 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,759 Middlesex, and my uncle built that house and they had two houses basically, 323 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,960 and it was on a summers we were debating whether or it's a summer's late 324 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:19,400 afternoon or evening, and people say, I've got you, but we were 325 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,400 thirteen years of age. For goodness sake, we didn't take it have a 326 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,160 diary there to report it. It was a couple of years ago, now, 327 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:32,319 wasn't it. Yeah, So we were met with this silver or that 328 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,960 was the size of a football that came over in bore daylight and suspended itself 329 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:41,119 roughly around where the second story windows was to the building, because it was 330 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,119 a three story building, and over our grandmother's head. And I will never 331 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,240 forget when we asked her what it was, because everyone assumed that UFOs were 332 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,000 bigger. I did, and you know what was this? And their grandma 333 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,359 said, oh, look, the fairies come to take a closer look at 334 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,160 us. And I remember thinking, well, it's no fairies. But it 335 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,759 was quite shocked, and it was bizarre. It made no sound, it 336 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,759 was spherical, it was quite shiny, although you can see the reflection of 337 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,519 the tree in it's upon its surface, and it seemed to be observing us. 338 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,279 And of course it then went up and looked through the window, and 339 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:17,400 then the other one, and then of course like went over the top of 340 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,480 the house, and we ran in to see it from the other end of 341 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,640 the house as it shot off very quickly at that point, and I consider 342 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,559 that to be a food fighter. I remembered we were at Stockford High School 343 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:33,319 then and I loved that school in Luton, and because we'd moved obviously from 344 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,759 South Africa to Luton when Luton was a nice that we lived in at Victorian 345 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:44,319 House there. But I remembered talking to some teachers and mister Charles, he 346 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,240 was a teacher and he loaned us a load of his I can't remember what 347 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,559 magazines have recorded, there was a whole series of them that we could take 348 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:56,039 and read on our summer holidays. So that was the starting starting point of 349 00:24:56,039 --> 00:25:00,440 it all. But then now realizing going forward to nineteen eighty nine when we 350 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,160 moved to Master Martaine and we lived in a big house in a cul de 351 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,960 sac, and that experience that I had, and I'm not going to go 352 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,720 into that was considered to be an abduction that came in to past one physical 353 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,519 one non physical. Yeah. We have covered it before, really we have, 354 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,200 yes, Yeah, but that seemed to trigger a chain of recalls from 355 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,440 even going back as far as when we were kids, children mere children. 356 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:32,000 So I do believe, like Steve Aspin and also Paul Sinclair good friends, 357 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:36,720 that there is some kind of intergenerational connection, and UFOs have been seen. 358 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000 You know, my brother and I had seen them most of the time. 359 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,960 I'll give an example here of another time we were coming back from a friends 360 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,640 late one night from Milbrook he lived in Milburok, back to Master Martainne, 361 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,880 and it did make the papers because we saw this huge object when we went 362 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,279 down a lonely country road. And I don't make much mention of that because 363 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:59,599 it was just the observation of a UFO at very low, low height around 364 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,000 us. There's been a number of them and that was reported. And there 365 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:11,160 was another time when I remembered seeing these triangles. They were in a stormy 366 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,200 day and they were there. There was I think it was about six of 367 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,440 them. There was seemed to be tumbling through the air, and then there 368 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,440 was another six that followed them, and you think to yourself, you know, 369 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,599 what the hell are they? You know, they're not black plastic bags, 370 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:30,119 six of them in triangular formation as black as tar, spinning or turning 371 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,200 in the air. I mean, there's been a number of things that I 372 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,880 that have been reported, that have been documented in the press that I you 373 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:44,480 know, I just brought out the main experiences. The main encounters like the 374 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,319 one with the sphere with our grandmother, the abduction of nineteen eighty nine, 375 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:51,640 the Rention thing where we brought the UFO four through the C five initiative on 376 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,559 the eighth of June nineteen ninety eight and ten and fifteen pm at night, 377 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,880 and then go to the ninth of April twenty sixteen with the last sighting of 378 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,799 those massive UFOs. But they yeah, there have been a series of them 379 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:06,759 and most puzzling, But even to this day, I still don't know, 380 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,880 David. I mean, you know, people will tell you what they think 381 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,960 it is, and certainly they come across as UFOs, but we don't know 382 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,839 what they are. I will just say one thing, They're not from here. 383 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,799 I can assure you of that fact. Yes, that was, that 384 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,359 was, That's where that all came from. Yeah, are you going down 385 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:29,839 the route now? I believe that things may well be more interdimensional. Were 386 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,759 not so about all craft, of course, but maybe some of the experiences 387 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:40,400 that people have are more interdimensional than extraterrestrial. Yes, absolutely, And I 388 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,599 think this is why you know, we're all important. Everyone is unique, 389 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:48,359 we all have a path and we view things differently. But when I was 390 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,240 involved with UFO research after the initial abduction of nineteen eighty nine, i've belonged 391 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,000 to your folk group. It then started leading me into the psychic component or 392 00:27:56,039 --> 00:28:03,119 looking into the other area of communication shodn't survival evidence of those on the other 393 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,880 side, and exploring that territory. So I think we will to point out 394 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,079 at this point because after your experience, you did actually become a clearvoyant, 395 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:12,680 didn't you. That's correct. Yes, So whether or not unless you had 396 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,960 unless you had something that you didn't actually know about it, maybe it was 397 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,759 something that was brought out by it. Yeah, I think that's possible. 398 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,240 I think that's more in line with what happened because I remember that some strange 399 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:27,440 experiences and this mere fueled or opened or you know, something occurred that allowed 400 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,640 this to progress and develop, because a lot of people who have uf experiences 401 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,079 sometimes found themselves as healers, as artists, as channelers, whatever, all 402 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,720 these types of things. But going back the intermensional hypothesis is interesting because you 403 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,680 know, when we're dealing with this phenomena that seems to be too construct to 404 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,079 it. I think when there's a viewing of UFFO, the UFO is able 405 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:51,920 to alter the space, but not only this space, but loss of the 406 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,559 time, and when it comes in closer, it seems to then integrate on 407 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,400 a very personal level, on a conscious level, with the individual. And 408 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,160 this is why when I had my experience back in nineteen eighty nine and then 409 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,079 in nineteen ninety six and they came up with that theory, there was like 410 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,640 a download about the Grays and now it's possible that they could be a construct 411 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:18,599 that is linked with some kind of interdimensional or even ultra terrestrial level. We 412 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,839 don't know, but this certainly opened up the can of worms. And I 413 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,880 used to think that, well, I thought the UFOs were the occupants, 414 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,079 were lovely, kind folk. You heard all about the space Brothers, and 415 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,440 I used to have these, you know, this dream of meetings UFO Nords 416 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,079 and being taken on board their ship and you know, getting me off this 417 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,440 planet. And if anyone out there says they haven't had that thought, then 418 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,680 well, you know, most people do. But the reality of it was 419 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,480 shockingly very different. And it's not to say that I was hoping and praying 420 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:55,319 for contact. I never had any wish to be contacted by UFO Nords as 421 00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,880 they call them, but they weren't ufhone orts. They seemed to go in 422 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,720 the category of the grades. And also, embarrassingly, the Reptilians, three 423 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,200 of them. That was back in nineteen eighty nine, and I had to 424 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,039 live with the shame of that not understanding at that point that there could make 425 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,359 no connections between the grades and the Reptilians. And of course the really nasty 426 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,039 thing is people started telling me, well, they knew who these grades were, 427 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,279 they knew what the Reptilians were, they knew their high command. I'd 428 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:27,359 literally lost the plot. I couldn't deal with that anymore. But I think 429 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:33,599 that a lot of the research is now beginning to show us that we could 430 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:41,200 be dealing with something that operates on alternative levels of reality. And even in 431 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,720 quantum research that I've been doing, which is really heavy going, but in 432 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,160 quantum mechanics, it shows us that, you know, that this is an 433 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:55,559 area of very interesting in terms of you know, alternative realities or dimensions of 434 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,400 awareness. They're able to interlink with our realm. So yes, I am 435 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,880 still of the opinion that you know, when these crafts come in, is 436 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,920 it possible that they And I've thought about this, written about this that they 437 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,440 constitute a lot of our materials upon this earth to build themselves, to construct 438 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,680 themselves as they come into our reality, and this is why and a lot 439 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,000 of UFO crashes, And by the way, I've never been near a UFO 440 00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,519 crash in my life, but a lot of the report state that when they've 441 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:30,519 gone through it is to be believed that the analysis of the materials shows a 442 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,920 lot of earthly materials, but there's a little something in there that are not 443 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,400 quite sure about. So it is interesting. So I think that the phenomena 444 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,559 is able to construct itself. And it reminds me a little bit of the 445 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,720 thing the film, the thing, that awful film that I saw that gave 446 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,200 me nightmares, and then the prequel to that that even gave me more than 447 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,680 nightmares, it made run cold. Was that the one with cut Russell. 448 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,640 Yes, and then they did a future one and there was a scene in 449 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,960 there that literally pay my blood. And I can assure you, David, 450 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,079 if there was anything like that on here, I would be definitely getting off 451 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:13,839 this planet. Yeah you sense of humor. Yeah, So I mean, 452 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,400 when you're talking about that, do you do you believe that they're actually trying 453 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,839 to manipulate our own dimension to some sence. Yes, yeah, I think 454 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,920 that's very interesting. I'm not you know. I know people have their opinions 455 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,920 like the good ET's and the Space Brothers and all that. I understand that, 456 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:35,200 but I've always dealt with the that side that I understand in terms of 457 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,240 what I what I encountered. So I do believe that when we look at 458 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:43,279 the so called Grace as they're called, you know, people say, well, 459 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:46,400 they're here to help us, Well they haven't because they come in and 460 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,880 they take what they want from us and they go. You seem to want 461 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:57,000 to integrate with our species at all. And they invariably lied to the abductees 462 00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:01,920 on multiple cases, you know, as first of all they're from Zeta reticular, 463 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,720 and then they're from somewhere else, or they even bring relatives on board. 464 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400 I didn't see any dead relatives when I was on that craft, if 465 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,200 that's what it was, been tapicking into their space and their time or the 466 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,640 dimension of awareness. But I do believe that they are working towards their own 467 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,240 agenda. And it's interesting, isn't it, Because David, when we look 468 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,680 at the grades, they are not able as we understand to reproduce, and 469 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,359 yet they're interested in our process of reproduction, and this causing to question the 470 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,880 hybridization program, and not only that I've been looking into areas of that, 471 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,359 but also consciousness, the afterlife, and also the process of why it is 472 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:45,599 that we as the human even in our world today, we still don't know 473 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,480 enough about where we originated from. And I could give you a few ideas 474 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,920 there and not the Sunday School version that we've all been fed from, the 475 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,440 system that lies towards that we serve. Absolutely, so yeah, I agree 476 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,680 with you. I think that most of this phenomena is working towards its own 477 00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:07,839 end. And fear, I think is the major component because they seem to 478 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:13,159 feed from fear and they can integrate themselves or morph themselves and in our reality 479 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,920 very quickly. And this supposes the question as to what they are and what 480 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,239 they want from us. We still don't know what that is. But when 481 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,119 we look at the darker aspects of yourpology, especially in terms of the adduction, 482 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,880 people will tell you all is because you wrote this in your life chart. 483 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,440 On the other side, really you really believe that, I don't. 484 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,440 I think that there are certain elements that you know can be altered if that 485 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:45,719 is possible, or changed, or go drastically wrong if that's the case. 486 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,920 And I've also just to finish off here. You know, when I've spoken 487 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,280 to some people about the afterlife and about us writing the chart on the other 488 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,639 side, well we must have all been drunk. I always say that something 489 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,079 here seriously has has gone wrong. And I think the planet Earth was meant 490 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:07,960 to have been a very different place, and I think that darker forces have 491 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:13,519 basically hijacked the world, and I think that they are using us as going 492 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,159 back into a civilian times, as just merely the slaves, the servants. 493 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:22,679 And unless we can awaken to the fact that you know that this program, 494 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:28,920 in this centralized programming, has dumbed us down, is brought to a much 495 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:34,639 major height because I believe that these darker forces which operate within the shadows here 496 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,079 are intent in keeping the subjugated and it's the only way that they can survive. 497 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:43,800 So I think we've got a number of angles, a number of parts 498 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,719 that are working against us. And this is why we can't have any real 499 00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:52,360 real transparency to the whole phenomena, because we're not just dealing with an alien 500 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,159 that we call alien force, but also up against people in our own you 501 00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:00,199 know, cultural owned society who could be working hand in claw with them. 502 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,480 And this is the problem. This is why there's such a secrecy surrounding the 503 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,880 whole phenomena, because if the public were told the truth and jaws would be 504 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,800 on the floor. David, Yeah, definitely. Well, you mentioned the 505 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,199 grade. Now, I've had a few different guests on the show, or 506 00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:21,880 as you probably know, over a few of them they actually say there's more 507 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,280 than one type of gray. Well, would you go along with that? 508 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,519 Well, to be honest with you, David, I mean, I can't 509 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,239 discount what's been written, and what research is brought forward is a possibility. 510 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:37,400 I can only report what I saw. I saw some grays, and the 511 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,679 last grade that I saw in nineteen eighty nine was very different to the last 512 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,599 one that I called nod. It was very different from the other grades that 513 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,840 I said that one of the grades i'd seen there was two that are company 514 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,920 down, and I was to look at them. I don't know why that 515 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:52,679 happened, but the gray in front of me was very different. And of 516 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,719 course, as you know, when people, you know, look at the 517 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,119 UFO phenomena, they want to look at it in a very nuts and bolts 518 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:06,400 fashion. Well I have, but I also look at the its dimensional hypothesis 519 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,840 because when I go back to the abduction in nineteen eighty nine, two events 520 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,840 happened with that. I'm not going to go into the whole thing, but 521 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,840 one, when the levels of high strangers started, my brother went into a 522 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,880 chance and looked up to the ceiling and said, there's going to be an 523 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,480 earthquake. Progrum was going to die as though the forces started to present itself 524 00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:27,960 with scrambling reality. And then the gray at the end, when I asked 525 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,159 a question to confirm its reality that I knew that if it gave me the 526 00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:36,119 answer, I would know, it also raised its head up in slow motion 527 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:42,320 and started to garble some unintelligible language. Now, Piers Back actually made the 528 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,800 parallels between what my brother was doing and what the gray was doing. So 529 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,880 you know, what are they? What are they doing? You know? 530 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,960 On why did they appear different? So we do hear about the tall grays, 531 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,119 the short grays, the blue grays. The one I saw was a 532 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,280 creamy colored, but the one at the end that was on board the craft, 533 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,639 the one at the and the black one that came through the door to 534 00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,599 begin with, or dressed in plant in black with a large helmet on it's 535 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:14,559 head looked like a multorcycle helmet, but it wasn't, and it was just 536 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,760 the top part was bigger than the rest of its body, its headhead, 537 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,880 and the gray at the end, which was suited and booted, And that 538 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:27,199 was bizarre. So I think the phenomena is able to integrate itself into the 539 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,960 mind of the abductee or the experience, and will project itself in the way 540 00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:35,639 that it wants you to view. It wants you to see it. And 541 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,719 yet lastly, there was something familiar to me about that gray, even though 542 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,800 I wanted to punch him. It felt like a heat to me. I 543 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,800 can't prove that, but I wanted to punch it, but I couldn't move. 544 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:50,840 But no, it's very bizarre, so I can't. I can only 545 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,159 say, yes, I believe that there are different factions of Grace, But 546 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:59,280 whether or not they're one of the same force projecting itself into these different bodies 547 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,360 or the way they present themselves, I don't know. Yeah, one guest 548 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,960 that I had on recently said, there's well, I can't remember the exact 549 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,159 figure now, but we've had visitations from over well as well, over one 550 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,039 hundred different species. I find that a little bit hard to believe, considering 551 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,239 where are they? Yeah, are they exactly? I've always joked and said, 552 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,440 well, if anyone could tell me what bothering, I'll go down with 553 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,719 them and talk it over with the sas squash, whether the dogm and the 554 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,320 werewolf, with the you know, I mean they must have all or they 555 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,639 must all have this some technology where they can cover themselves up and hide. 556 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,960 Yes, well, do you know the human as the human we seem so 557 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,639 far removed and the only intelligent species on this planet, so far removed from 558 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:50,039 all this other phenomena. Because if you look and try and make collect connections 559 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,440 as I as I hear at terrestaural trespasses, and there are other good researchers 560 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,360 out there, like Pausing, Claire, Steve Mirror, Barry Fitzgerald, it 561 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,840 goes on. The list goes on that are trying to put this together. 562 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:05,039 What's interesting is that when you look at the document, for instance, or 563 00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:08,559 the Sasquatch, we hear these cases of them being able to mind speak. 564 00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:12,079 A Pausing Clay told me and I'm sure you wouldn't mind me saying, as 565 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,119 I've said it before, at one case where one of these werewolves had manifested 566 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:21,079 itself in front of these people, appeared in front of them, and it 567 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:25,599 was wearing an earring in its ear. Now what does that tell you, 568 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,960 David? And this is the thing, This is something that will shatter the 569 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:37,559 entire structure and belief systems of many researchers if we then try and look go 570 00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,480 or go down that road and look into the area that are we dealing with 571 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:45,280 one force or are we dealing with separate forces? And if they are separate 572 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,400 forces, where are they all? You know? And people will tell you 573 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,519 how it is. I don't know how. That is. All I can 574 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,519 tell you, David, is that is a very interesting question, on one 575 00:40:55,559 --> 00:41:00,800 that merits a lot of investigation. You understand, David, because I agree, 576 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,960 I don't you know, if we've got hundreds of them, where are 577 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,920 they all? Were they hanging out? I mean, you know? And 578 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,119 how is it? As pau Sinclair has famously said, the truth that leaves 579 00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:16,079 no proof. I think that is such a classic line of his because the 580 00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:20,920 phenomena very rarely needs any proof, and people say what proof or want proof? 581 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,519 Well, it doesn't give any proof. And this is why we are 582 00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:27,960 all being led down the garden path most of the time, because we're left 583 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,320 scratching our heads. And this is why I think now in our time, 584 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:37,599 now here in the two thousands, we are having to stretch our minds beyond 585 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,920 that level of physicality and looking into a you know, the interdimensional hypothesis or 586 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,920 the quantum roma were to try and find answers there. Yeah, yeah, 587 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,880 I mean a couple of years ago I would have I could not understand that 588 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,639 at all. I thinking about like the holographic universe and things like that. 589 00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:59,800 That's right, I think over the last couple of years, I've been reading 590 00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,559 a bit about it. I still don't fully understand it, but I ain't 591 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:07,360 getting there. I believe. Yes, we go through a sense of morphology, 592 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,960 we go through a sense of transmutation our souls, David, as I 593 00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:13,719 said to you, we all do, myself included, back in the eighties, 594 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,639 back in the nineties, I would never have considered at all, you 595 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:23,239 know, this inter dimensional hypothesis is or the holographic theory that's coming forward, 596 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:30,119 and that does kind of like makes sense because light is vibration, and vibration 597 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,239 creates matter. When you go into the content, you've got duel wave, 598 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,239 you know, particles, duel consciousness. So when you look into these areas, 599 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,079 it's very interesting and thought actually creates. So this leads has led me 600 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:51,719 definitely into those areas of the astral planes as they call it, and other 601 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,760 areas of creation. So you know, as I said very quickly, here, 602 00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:58,440 you know, we're kind of squeeze it into one box. I think 603 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,320 we're going to have a hard time. I'm doing that because there are multiple 604 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,000 connections with other phenomena which is trying to tell us something I think on a 605 00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,920 deeper level of the intellect. So you know, this is where we are 606 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,239 met at the moment. But Grays they were the starting point for me and 607 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:21,280 still very much a headache I can show you. Yeah, And also I 608 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,960 think, I mean your book goes a long way. I mean, obviously 609 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,639 anyone listening to the show out there, really what you want to do is 610 00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:32,480 get phillips book Terrestrial Trespassers and it will give you a lot more information about 611 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,599 Philip's hypothesis. And you're not just the only one with this hypothesis. Well 612 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,719 you're one of many. Yes, I think you're back in nineteen ninety six. 613 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,559 The vision I had, or the download, it's the only one that 614 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,039 I had. It was very strange. It's like my mind open because from 615 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,679 the nineteen eighty nine event, I kept questioning what happened. I wanted to 616 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,519 find out what it was. And I think that within the mind, when 617 00:43:55,559 --> 00:44:01,000 you are continuously probing a particular question. Giving a example here, Einstein worked 618 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,360 in a patent's office, Okay, and for years he used to walk under 619 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,519 a clock. Years and years he would go to work or walk under a 620 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:12,119 huge clock, and then one day, click, it all came to him, 621 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,079 and it can happen to some people. We're all incredible or all amazing. 622 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,840 You have a brain as a transmitter receiver. But the trouble is, 623 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,239 David, that most of us are programmed with its society, and not just 624 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:30,280 through fear or propaganda. But I think the system utilizes psychological weaponry. Now 625 00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:34,280 not weapons in the way that will destroy you, but very clever in the 626 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,360 way that it's able to distort fact and fiction, and it will do and 627 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:44,320 it will make you watch things like Coronation Street rather than actually see Well. 628 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:50,480 I did use to I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for I didn't 629 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,599 really like the program, but I did like in a Sharples because he was 630 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:57,480 a very strong Northern lass and a very accomplished actress. I can tell you 631 00:44:57,519 --> 00:44:59,760 that now. Oh, to be honest, I already pizzed on that, 632 00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:04,639 obviously. I think also all forms of entertainment like that are often used as 633 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:08,199 a distraction to stop people thinking, and obviously, over a long term, 634 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,800 it actually makes you. It kind of makes you a slave to the system, 635 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,840 doesn't it. So you don't be too deep or some people don't be 636 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,800 too deep. Well, when I first got involved in UFO research and I 637 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,360 started to go to UFO groups, I mean we had one, I think 638 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,079 it was one every two weeks, and I go there and look and see 639 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,360 the people doing their talks and talk to them. I felt like I was 640 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,079 a star by meeting a staff and wow, I spoke to him or her, 641 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,559 and many wonderful people came to do talks. But what I find is 642 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:38,440 when I wake up in the morning, I was like, oh my god, 643 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,920 what am I doing? You know, there's no such thing. What's 644 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,800 going on with me? This doesn't feel will be something else. But then 645 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,400 of course what happened that is to do with centralized programming, and one part 646 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,599 of my mind had rejected the part of the system was telling us didn't exist. 647 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,440 And then, of course, eventually, years later I came to the 648 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,119 acceptance of balancing or some kind of equilibrium within both hemispheres of the brain to 649 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:07,320 say, it's okay, Philip, because you now are no longer programmed. 650 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:12,960 You've taken yourself one step further into a much larger world. I'll quote that 651 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,519 from Star Wars with Benobi Wan Kenobi and kind of like seeing things on this 652 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:21,440 different level. So this is the battle that we have. You will find 653 00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:25,119 very difficult to not convince the public, but tell the public, look, 654 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,719 you've been lied to, because they will be like like I was all of 655 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,360 those years ago. So I can't accept this. I can't take it. 656 00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:35,000 So this is the problem. This is not something that's going to happen in 657 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,960 a day or a week or this is going to take decades for people to 658 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:44,159 start to understand that a lot of our history is wrong, and a lot 659 00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,639 of it's been hidden as well. Yeah, I think people are gradually waking 660 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,880 up to a lot of that. Oh, I think people are actually realizing 661 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,360 that a lot of what we're told is just complete lawis Oh no, Well 662 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,880 I had to find out, David, whether or not one I was like, 663 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,119 or whether or not the system was like and I know what you mean, 664 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,480 or yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, And of course 665 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,519 you find that, Well, you can see the circus acts going on in 666 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,559 the world, and not just within your followed your elements of the paranormal, 667 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,920 but also the very there, very basic things that's going on of how the 668 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,800 system is trying to utilize control and power. And it's when you when you 669 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,000 can understand that, when you can see it as clear as day, and 670 00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:28,800 there's now that you can do about it, you just have to sit back 671 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,480 and think, well this you know, it's going to carry on. But 672 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,719 I think you're right. I think a lot more people are waking up knowing 673 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,320 that this, this whole situation is just ridiculous. It's a big farce, 674 00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:44,000 you know, so the good are trying to be subjugated and that they're coming 675 00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,440 out now and people are like, yeah, there they are. Well, 676 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,280 I've seen it firsthand myself over the last two or three years, how people 677 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:54,760 have actually woken up, you know, you know, I've just seen it 678 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,079 first hand. It's difficult to sort of describe it. Really. It's just 679 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,800 that when you've had the per the experience of people that have shut things down, 680 00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:06,119 and I'll get people saying some old time there when you speak on radio 681 00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:10,039 shows or off air before the shows, how much people have woken up to 682 00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:14,360 a lot of what's going on? Yes, yes, And people say, 683 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,760 well, where'd you get the information? Well, first of all, do 684 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,719 your research. Well you have to do for it. You have to do 685 00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:22,119 it. Yeah, but the system we said is not going to give you 686 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:29,039 it. Yeah, it's exactly right. It does how I did from you. 687 00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:30,840 You need to really do for it. Yes, that's right, and 688 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,440 it's all there. I mean, you find your own path, your own 689 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,840 way. But whenever you're interested in your gut reaction, you're feeling your truths 690 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,599 will guide you down those roads to what you consider to be your reality and 691 00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:45,599 the truths to you, and then you'll find that those truths are open to 692 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:52,400 it and are accepted by many other people as well. Yeah. I've got 693 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,559 a couple of little thoughts that have come to mind. You would you assume 694 00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,239 you had an implant put into you? Didn't you? In the right ear. 695 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,559 Yes, that's Has there been any developments from that? Has anything sort 696 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,360 of gone on from that? Or have you tried to get it looked into 697 00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:13,960 or well, you know the drama with the doctors, the three these situations 698 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,320 with that, and then the last one I'll never forget where they said, 699 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,679 oh, have you been abducted by aliens? When they had an examination, 700 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,000 they didn't send me to an ear specialist or anything. And people will jump 701 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,719 on the bandwagon and say I don't believe you need you need to do this 702 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,760 and you need to do that. Well, let me remind you that we're 703 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,480 all very different. And I thought, well, whatever it is, because 704 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,199 I felt that move back and that's why I went back to the doctors and 705 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:43,039 said, there's something in there and it is looking out. They said it 706 00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,159 as a crystalline structure, looks like it's still healing. You know, that 707 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,679 is totally bizarre, and it was like something from the Twilight Zone. And 708 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,280 I remembered, you know, thinking that, you know, does this force 709 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,519 also control other people? This is like a little bit of a well thought 710 00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,199 here, like when she said that to me, I mean, what what 711 00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,679 doctor would ever say that to anyone? And what would who would say that, 712 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,559 have you been abducted by aliens? I remember walking back to my car 713 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,920 far worse than when I got into the doctors. But I think I left 714 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,000 it. I thought, you know what, I'm not getting anything here with 715 00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:15,480 it. And people say, all, go into this and go and do 716 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:16,960 that. Yes, well, even if I did go do this and go 717 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:21,320 do that, they still would not be satisfied as a personal choice. I've 718 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,480 left it. Whatever it is, it's you know, it may still be 719 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,079 in there. I haven't felt it move for a long time, And I 720 00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,119 said a running I did joke and say that the last sighting of those magnificent 721 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,880 UFOs was on the ninth of April twenty sixteen, at eleven fifteen pm at 722 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,400 night, one hour more than the appearance of the UFO that was summoned in 723 00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:43,119 Rendelschum on the age June nineteen ninety eight, or ten fifteen pm. It 724 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,719 must be something about the court past link somewhere. But I said, maybe 725 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,400 Ronnie and my twin brother and I are a couple of old, washed out 726 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,800 old has beens. Now they're in or we've woken up to the fact that 727 00:50:55,519 --> 00:51:00,320 we're aware that there's more than just the glitz and glamor. And I know 728 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,719 that Barry Fitzgerald has an amazing theory and if anyone wants to check out with 729 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,840 Barry, that Barrett's Barry Fitzgerald and also Steve Mirror in terms of their understanding 730 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,320 of this phenomena. Yeah, the doorway project. Yes, that's correct, 731 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:20,480 very interesting project doorway they call it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There 732 00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:24,360 was another thought I had, also, did you actually consider talking to that 733 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:30,159 doctor a bit more about what he said, because him saying that it must 734 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,400 have he must have had some other experience of it. It was a female 735 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,519 doctor, David, I feel you know, it's no problem. No, 736 00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:38,920 there were two of them, and the one that examined it said, it 737 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,360 looks like it's healing. It's got some kind of crystalline structure. She said 738 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,039 some other things, and I'll own to report facts, David. I report 739 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,639 report what I remember, I recall. I can't remember what else. But 740 00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:52,239 she was very interested in it and then left it. She just went she 741 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,880 went back up to her office because the doctor he went to go and get 742 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,079 her. And I was a bit curious that she was a nurse or a 743 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,000 doctor. That wasn't really made plain to me. So nurse or doctor. 744 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,039 But the doctor was the one that came down and said, there's a crystalline 745 00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,159 structure. It was like a still healing. So no, and the thing 746 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,800 is now, well, can you get to the doctors. Will I still 747 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,239 be able to see them? No, it's as hard as anything today. 748 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,800 And but I, you know, I did used to go there. And 749 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,039 you'll laugh at this, not with that lady or that. I didn't remember 750 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,760 that. The other doctor, i'd seen her before, But I've been there 751 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,199 to do readings, would you believe, for them and their lunch breaks. 752 00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:30,079 And I was in there. I was in the doctors one time, waiting 753 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,920 to go in for an appointment, nothing to do with my ear. And 754 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,559 one of the doctors came down and said, all could see from a minute 755 00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:43,880 did a reader? Well yes, yeah, So it's a bit twister Byrony 756 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,719 there. It's not about you, it's about contacting the other side walking there 757 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,039 is a highestration. She couldn't make it up, David, Yeah, no, 758 00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:53,639 it's just it's just something across my mind. I thought, if you 759 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,719 knew the doctor's name, still, would it be worth actually dropping them an 760 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,360 email or something? And so and is there any sort of information that you 761 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,920 can give me about maybe other experiences you've had. Yeah, well, I 762 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,599 had a stroke many long years ago, and of course I had head scams 763 00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:14,320 and all the rest of it as you do. But nothing of a foreign 764 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,039 implement turned up then. But it was interesting how she saw that, and 765 00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,719 of course you know I but you know, it's something to consider, but 766 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,079 not anything I'm rushing out to get done anytime soon. I've just left it, 767 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,000 and I just, you know, I'm just more interested in the research 768 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:34,639 side now than exploring my own personal experiences, because whatever you go through, 769 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,199 there are people that attack you, will tell you how it is or what 770 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,719 understand You can't win there at all, So I just I don't know. 771 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,920 Yeah, it's just I'm just sort of thinking from my perspective that if I 772 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,360 thought I had an imput I'll be one of foind out where did it come 773 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,840 from? Then? Did it get there? When did it get there? 774 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,239 You know, all that sort of thing. Well, there was another curious 775 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,639 part to it, to be honest with you, that that's actually linked in 776 00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:58,320 the book. So I don't know if it's gone off, it's still in 777 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,480 there. I couldn't even tell you. But it was a period where everything 778 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:06,400 was shut down and things happened, you know, so, and then of 779 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,880 course we all had to have something as I was going to America and there 780 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,960 may have been there may have been an event then an area where there had 781 00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,280 been an abduction. I can't prove it, but it was very strange how 782 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,880 I had marked across my neck. So whether not they had salvashed that, 783 00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:25,079 or whether or not they had reversed something in me and my brother as a 784 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,840 twin, I have no idea. We can't answer that, but it was 785 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:34,119 very strange. Hmm, yeah, just something. It's crossed my mind several 786 00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:37,679 times. I thought, I really want to dog and find out about that, 787 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,280 you know, as you I'll probably mention it to you before anyway, 788 00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:45,800 Yes, something else that crosses my mind. Being a clear volume, do 789 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:52,920 you actually pick up alien presencies? No, not once, I'm afraid not. 790 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:58,639 So this actually shows us all can demonstrate that perhaps that part of the 791 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:04,000 dimensional reality that our loved ones pass over to. We don't know what happens 792 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,920 to the core of the experience. We have no idea even to deal with 793 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,840 aspects of reincarnation or incarnation is puzzling, but a reality nevertheless. But no, 794 00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,639 so this tells me that perhaps we are dealing with a false or a 795 00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:21,559 phenomena that is operating slightly on a different frequency from that of what we call 796 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,360 and do bear with me here the spirit world. I think the quantum realm 797 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,960 is more of an error to go by. So no, I have never 798 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,920 I don't think I've had people mediums coming to me and saying, oh, 799 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,440 they've seen aliens all that whatever lovely, are so lovely. I've never. 800 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,079 No, It's only been because I facilitate information. Like Shelock Holmes, I 801 00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:45,440 just deal with yes or no and bring the evidence forward that way. So 802 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,280 I never feed for information at all. I just bring it through with what 803 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,400 I get or what I said to what I feel with the mind. We 804 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:58,760 all have one. But no, I answer your question, David, No, 805 00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:05,920 No, that ciber either cutt off from you personally, or when aliens 806 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,960 die they go to a different part of a dimension and they stay separate through 807 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:14,920 their own death dimension. If you see what I'm getting it well. Part 808 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:21,880 of my theoretical content was regards to the grays and the process of self replication, 809 00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:27,519 which also brings to question the areas of the spirit, the soul consciousness, 810 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,920 and this is why they may be interested in salvaging something that they themselves 811 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,320 have lost or not part of. Or it could be conceivable to assume that 812 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,800 they are creating a new genus I either hybrids, because we as species have 813 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,800 failed, we are on a road destruction. We have to be open to 814 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:51,360 all forms of speculation in terms of that hypothesis. But certainly, the the 815 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,000 spirit the reproductive cycle is something that the Grays are very interested in. And 816 00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,599 I have mentioned this, and one wonders, you know, whether they have 817 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,199 you destroyed themselves as we as human race might be because we are heading towards 818 00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:10,840 transhumanism, and that leads to an area where the system does not want us 819 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,719 to be individual. It doesn't want us to be able to have our own 820 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,440 thoughts. What are you thinking? What are they thinking? It wants to 821 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,480 know all that you're thinking. So perhaps the Grays had canceled themselves out through 822 00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:25,920 their own processes of replication and destroyed themselves, and that a part of them 823 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,360 perhaps have projected themselves into our reality like remote viewers. It's possible or you 824 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,639 know, coming into our dimension of reality in the way that they do, 825 00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,159 to bring a part of us into their realm to make that connection, that 826 00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:43,280 fusion, that lean. You know, people say, well, how is 827 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,760 it that if they've taken the real part of you into their realm, that 828 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,920 they will look at an end ear when they pass over the world to them 829 00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,599 is real. And if their body in the physical sense is being corrupted through 830 00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:58,880 illness disease, there seems to be a correction that's made when that astoral part 831 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,360 of them is reunited that the body and they come back and they're healed. 832 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:07,239 So this is a new area of science that's beginning to show us, especially 833 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:12,360 within quantum, that materiality and spirit as we call it, are a fusion 834 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,800 that can be separate or brought together in varied levels. So yeah, this 835 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,840 is I don't want to give you a headache with that, daby. No, 836 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:27,159 No, I've always got a headache anyway, so have I. No, 837 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,360 it does. It does get very mind blowing a lot when you when 838 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,440 you're not being too deep, I mean you you and I know I've been 839 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,800 really like David Hightwook some some years now, uh, and his latest book 840 00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:45,039 is actually they gave me a rather a headache because it's getting so deep it's 841 00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:50,960 really making my head spin. But I could see him talking loot last year 842 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,719 and I got the book and we saw him talk. I didn't have the 843 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:57,079 pleasure of meeting the great man himself, but I must have been. I 844 00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:59,079 haven't read the book yet. I haven't time to have a look at it. 845 00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:00,599 I've got it though, you know he signed it. He did sign 846 00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:04,559 it personally, just they just brought books up because there were so many people. 847 00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:07,239 That's right. He just he does his big sweeping, big big deed 848 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,199 in it on the thing. Yeah, yeah, Luly, I'm glad to 849 00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:15,119 see him in October. Actually, oh lovely, Well you've met him him, 850 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:22,039 taken with him regards and who are those two? It was actually surprised 851 00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,960 for us. I actually spoke because I used to go to a few of 852 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,199 the protest marches in London. Yes, he actually remembered me for some you 853 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:32,880 know, it was really weird, he said he did. Anyway, when 854 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,880 he did, it was a lot of better. But oh, well you 855 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,679 know that the two David's Day and House on Fire, no problem. I 856 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,840 said, well, yeah, because I actually used some of his materity one 857 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,079 of my shows. I asked him, I said, Hoppy didn't mind me 858 00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:49,320 doing that? He said, no, no, it's fine, it's therefore 859 00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:55,639 sharing with everyone. So yes, absolutely, and they've they've just taken him 860 00:59:55,639 --> 01:00:00,239 off a telegram now you have the telegram site. Yeah, and he been 861 01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:02,480 blocked off of that. Now free speech is not really harming anyone. I 862 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,360 mean, at the end of the day, you know what's that telling you? 863 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,440 Hello, people, wake up? David White saying, I mean, 864 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:13,039 you know, most of his theories are controversial, but I think that a 865 01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,239 large portion of his work is actually in the right direction. I think that 866 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,920 man knows what he's talking about. Oh, absolutely that now, absolutely, 867 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,000 I mean I do hear people saying that he's a free Mason and all sorts 868 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,400 of stuff I can say firsthand. I mean I can't say for sure obviously, 869 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,519 but he's not a freemos So why do you keep getting banned from everywhere? 870 01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:32,239 If he was well, I mean, at the end of the day, 871 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:36,960 David, if that's all they're calling him, then I've got no reason 872 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,679 to worry, to be honest with you, because you know, I've been 873 01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:44,000 called worse than that. So you know, whatever you're doing, like many 874 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,840 other researchers, they put you in a bracket. I mean, I mean, 875 01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:51,800 say, when I'm saying free Mason I'm not talking about the lower levels 876 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,760 of free Mason. We all know that the normal, a lot of very 877 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:59,440 normal people are Freemasons. I'm talking about when we go up into the thirty 878 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:05,079 three degree premation apparently, and it's only a very small portion of those which 879 01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:08,599 you're which is probably higher than the thirty three, but they're labeled thirty anyway, 880 01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:15,599 I suppose we shouldn't really go it for hits or something. And this 881 01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:20,880 also brings into the equation the esoterical nature of reality where tried to contense human 882 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,880 thinking and program the thought through fear. But most of these people at the 883 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,599 top, I think are very much into all of that anyway, So we 884 01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:30,880 are I kind of like always do that anyway. So they're dabbling into those 885 01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:35,559 areas of the mind, and they've they've shut off within the general public, 886 01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:40,239 as it were, through centralized programming and fear and propaganda. Yeah, anyway, 887 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:45,239 ex gives more silly questions about No, they're not. They're very intelligent 888 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,679 questions I love to answer. It's part and parcel of the whole phenomenon. 889 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,440 We can that's what we're all wall seeking the answer. That's right. But 890 01:01:53,519 --> 01:01:58,320 it's been great talking to you again Philip, and hopefully we'll get together soon. 891 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,760 Yes, now you've got I believe you've got a foreign tour coming out, 892 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,239 a foreign talk coming up, haven't you. Yes, I'm actually going 893 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,719 to Finland and I've been asked to speak in a UFO conference there, so 894 01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:15,079 I'm very honored. And of course Finland is a great country of one of 895 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:19,880 my most favorite children's authors, to VEE Johnson, who created the movements and 896 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,039 if people don't know what that's about, she was an incredible artist and author 897 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,440 and the JK. Rolding of her time. So I'm looking forward to that 898 01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:29,599 and also speaking to the crowd about UFOs and of course the theories that we 899 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,679 have, and so yeah, they're sorting that all out. They've been absolutely 900 01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:37,000 wonderful. What is the date of that, Philip, Your appearance there? 901 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,119 That will be on the tent from the twenty seventh night fly out on the 902 01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:45,760 twenty seventh of September and come back on the thirtieth September, and it's on 903 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,400 the Saturday. That's my talk. That's what my talk is on the subject. 904 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,320 So there you go. You want understand in Finland you can look out 905 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:59,320 for Philip Kinsella we'll be heading your way. And also, I mean, 906 01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:04,480 will your books again? All your books are available on Amazon, Yes, 907 01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:07,000 because sadly the other books were published by other publishers, some of the years 908 01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:09,559 ago. They're out of print now, but they are the new ones are 909 01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:13,519 available on Amazon. You can get everything on episode even now. A kitchen 910 01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:15,320 sick I said, you know, so they actually showed me you can buy 911 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:21,719 a kitchen sink on Amazon. So I must tell you a quick ending up 912 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,960 little. As soon as you mentioned the kitchen sink a personnel once worked with, 913 01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,280 he said he was off for a butler sink, you know, the 914 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,559 big square seats. Oh. Yes, And he saw one advertise on eBay. 915 01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:36,760 Oh it was fifty p. He said, I can't believe it's only 916 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,000 fifty p. And nobody's bid on it. Oh, I said that sounds 917 01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:43,199 good. Then I said it's unbelievable, and nobody's been on it. He 918 01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:44,679 said, Now, he said, I'll put a bid on it, and 919 01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:49,280 he said it's anyway. About three days later he came to work with it 920 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,400 in his hand. It was like a little he came out of a doll's 921 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,840 house. Oh my lord, that is just terrible, isn't it I mean, 922 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,360 this is the world we live in, isn't it. Come oneople out 923 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,360 there? To be honest, I think we've all been I think we've all 924 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,079 made mistakes. Yes, but I had I had one on eBay once, 925 01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:12,079 many years ago, and it was just for the privilege of reading what was 926 01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:14,960 on the screen. And it was his small print. And that was years 927 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,679 and years ago, and never again, never again. But of course in 928 01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:20,480 rhysterics, when you brought that, you put it on the table in front 929 01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:24,800 of me. You see if there is when I lost five pound, he 930 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:30,760 lost only fifty I lost five pounds. Oh yeah, But anyway, on 931 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,320 that note, so it's Terrestrial Trestpasses is Consider's latest book. The one before 932 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:40,559 that was called You the Public Deceived. And I think it's probably several of 933 01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:43,559 our others if you look for them. I'm not quite not sure which ones 934 01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:48,800 are still they. Crush is still available yet, Guardians Gold is that there's 935 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:55,639 another one. You may will yeah, you may well be able to find 936 01:04:56,159 --> 01:04:58,800 second end copies of so many older ones as well. If you love yes, 937 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,039 yeah, if you lucky, yeah, so on out of rent now, 938 01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,360 I don't know, I see them turning up for ridiculous amounts of money, 939 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,679 so you know it's crazy and it's really a scene, it really is. 940 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,480 Yes, that's right. Yeah. Anyway, I shall put all the 941 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,239 links I can on the Apparable Dimension's page and I shall look forward to seeing 942 01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:19,440 you soon. Yes, I wish you will take care of yourself and thank 943 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,079 you very much for having me on board. David. It's been absolutely wonderful. 944 01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:25,360 It's always good to talk to you, Philip. You know it is 945 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:29,400 my love to your lovely mum Sandy. Anyway, I let you go. 946 01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:31,840 Thank you very much for coming on finding the time. Thank you, it's 947 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:36,679 always a pleasure. Take care of yourself. Bye, b Thank you by 948 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:42,000 David. There we are. That was a wonderful pop kin sella. Thank 949 01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:45,960 you for going for the always my pleasure. Okay, for the Nick show, 950 01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:48,639 I've got a couple of guests who belong to the Paranormal UK Radio network. 951 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:54,880 They have their own show and it's called Seventh Santum and your names are 952 01:05:54,920 --> 01:06:00,239 carry Anne and Natalie. So they will be my guests for next week and 953 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,599 that will be July the twenty second Monday, of course as always, and 954 01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:09,039 that's a regular scheduled show of course, as always. If you'd like to 955 01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:13,039 get in touch with me anytime. My email addresses David Young two q in 956 01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:17,119 at Yrho dot co dot UK. That's David Young two q in at Yoho 957 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,400 dot co dot UK. So help you'll catch the next show with me. 958 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:27,719 That's July the twenty second on Monday, and that's carry outa Natalie from Seventh 959 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,320 Sanctum. So until then, I wish you all fare will and I'll speak 960 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,599 to you next time. Take care everyone, while buy nothing is to be 961 01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:41,719 released to the public. Nothing you understand, gentlemen. Nothing Ladies and gentlemen, 962 01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:46,239 I cannot too strongly stress the necessity for codness. Do not allow yourselves 963 01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:51,800 to be emotionally disturbed by those messages. Parable Dimensions is as bright and powerful 964 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:58,119 as our celestial starves up. And although it's expending thousands of pounds of energy 965 01:06:58,239 --> 01:08:00,960 every minute of the day, have no yeah, let's plenty next. Paranormal 966 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:05,880 Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.