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the Paranormal UK Radio Network. This man and the Saucerer. Can you describe
him well, sir? He was small and skinny. His head was pointed
but came to a very sharp point. He had long green hair. His
eyes were a sort of purplish red. He had large ears but performed like
an antenna. His teeth were perfect but spread far apart. And I noticed
too, a jacket of some sort of spun glass and bright red but gallic
shoes. You say this all took place in a few seconds. Can you
tell me what colored tie I'm wearing? Missor Sir, I didn't notice.
You mean to say you can remember everything about this man from the spaceship,
his hair, the color of his eyes, the clothing he was wearing.
And yet after all this time, you can't tell me the color of my
tie. But you didn't come out of a flying saucer. Let me know
when you've got your instruments ready. I need all the figures I can get.
Hello, this is Nick Pope and you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the UK's biggest paranormal network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David
Young. Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm David Young. I
have another extra show for you. Well I'm not really a football fan,
but as this show goes out, what the amazing week of football it's been.
Unfortunately, as I record, I don't know who's going to be the
winner for Sunday, but I hope he was England. Anyway, for this
show, I've got another great guest, another good friend, and his name
is Philip Kinsella. Anyone who's listened to the show regularly or on the occasion
will know that I've had Philip on the show several times. Well, Phillip's
had a new book out for a few months and it's a bit of a
tongue twister. It's called Terrestrial Trespassers and it's about UFOs invading our airspace and
are the aliens be ended? So I take great pleasure in welcoming Philip can
cellar Bets to the show. Hello Philip, Welcome to the show, oh
David, and thank you very much for having me back on. It's an
honor. It's yeah, it's been a few months since we did a show
before. I think maybe maybe even a better year. I don't know.
Well, obviously we did beat up at the Awakening in Manchester. That was
about about ten months ago. There was it, Yes, that was Yes,
that was about ten months ago. Yes, because I had a great
time. Yeah, and unfortunately, yes, that was its last one.
Yeah, we went to the to the one this year. We went to
the Awakening this year that was up north and that was that was the last
one. I think, Yeah, yeah, that was was that this year?
All laughter. Anyway, it doesn't better the wonder I saw your last
time. Oh that was last year when we met yes day. Anyway,
unfortunately that's sort of that. That was the last that was this demise.
But I understand it's going to be re awakening again somehow in another form with
steam Mirror. So oh, yes, I have to wait to see how
that goes. Yes, yeah, we we. I don't know too much
about any of that, but certainly, you know, it would be nice
to see it kicking back off again and things coming together. I hope that's
the case, anyway, David, Yeah, absolutely, me too. And
for everyone out there Philip that I do know each other pretty well regard Philip
was one of my best friends actually the same as as well, really well.
And the thing is though that you know, we're on the same page,
and I think that's really important with all of us. You know,
it's so nice when you have that wonderful friendship, comradeship, and also with
other researchers, not just here in England, in the United States of America,
it's wonderful. Yeah. And also not to leave Ronnie out, your
twin brother, Oh yes, no, yes, I mean you come as
a pair, don't they. That does sometimes get us into trouble because we
have views about your apology in the Bow normal. I know you've kind of
got some varied views about it. But because because Roddie is more into like
the fictional side, I believe really for yourself, yes, yeah, I
mean I'm the nuts and bolts, but also the theoretical part. I like
to dig where most people are trying to dig and look into those areas.
I think Bronnie is very practical in his approach. Yes, he's very much
like my grandfather, but I am more open to a lot more theoretical context.
So that's where we differ in terms of that. And it is funny
sometimes because you know, I'm working on my projects, he's working on his,
and Ronnie will be like, well, this is what I'm saying,
and I said, well, yes, well we have to be open to
that. We can't say that that's what it is. Yea. And of
course Ronnie is a fantastic artist. And for anyone that listening out there,
we'll have Roddie in about a month's time. Yes, I've got the show
fixed for him, so we'll have dy Roddy can sell it on in a
few weeks. But so anyway, let's concentrate on you Philip. Now we're
talking about your new book, which is Terrestrial Trespassers. Yeah, well they
knew. It's been out for a few months now, isn't it. But
yes, yes, yeah, the new book Terrestrial Trespasses. You know,
it was a hard book to write, I think, you know, in
terms of euphology. And I must say here that even after my abduction,
that back in nineteen eighty nine, the Winch of nineteen eighty nine, some
years later in nineteen ninety six, I had this revolutionary speculation or this understanding
about the grade and the aduction phenomena. And you know, back in the
day, as you know, David, as we do. You know,
back in the eighties and nineties, most people were under the impression that we'll
be dealing with something that you know, was coming from another planet, very
physical based and very structured with an our material realm. But it's just so
amazing to see how a lot of thoughts in terms of that structuring of how
we viewed the OFO phenomena has changed considerably back then and talk to where we
are now. I even remember when I was involved in even years ago,
when I was interested in UFO research, iseed to take myself to the local
library and do a project on Roswell and the Lockness Monster, I must admit,
and there were very few books available, but we were in the paper
shop, me, my brother and my grandparents and there was a paperback of
the High NIUFO Reporter. What drew me to the paperback was the picture of
the flying saucer on the cover in the clouds, and it's like I wanted
to book, and my grandmother bought it for me, even though I didn't
understand the statistic information in there. At that time, I just thought it
looked good to have a book with the UFO on the cover. So,
you know, back in the day, there were very few of them around,
but now, of course the market is swamped with them, and that's
because a lot more people are open minded and looking into different areas about what
it is that we could be possibly dealing with. Yeah. Absolutely, and
I do believe that when considering talking about your book before that you'd have public
deceived. Yes, you seem to. We had the hypothesis that things are
being covered up much of the time, that the pails would be know a
lot more than they let on, and they cover everything up. Oh yes,
absolutely. I mean not just by the military elite, but also and
if I may use the word beyond government as it were, the secret government.
And most people people will just naturally assume, oh, yes, you
know, it's all conspiracy. Well that's all very well and true, but
that conspiracy has changed somewhat to bring more truth to the table, because back
in the day, you know, people were telling us, even the media
that's controlled by these uh you know, these echelons in charge, that the
name is faceless bureaucrats. Oh no, UFOs don't exist, they're not here.
Then we get an admittance, you know, in terms of the Navy
and all the stuff that happened some years ago, now for the revelations,
and then of course this new stuff with the Pentagon, and you can see
this enforcement of beliefs from those very high rank individuals within society that are trying
to tell the public. Look, we're being lied to, and the system
still will not budge. It almost has to acknowledge the fact that, you
know, such revelations must be you know, examined because it's been taken into
that governmental level. But still they will not tell the public. And I
think there are some reasons behind that, you know, with regards so yes,
absolutely, I mean, you know, not only does the phenomenon so
greete itself from us, but also we have our very own people on this
planet who are trying to keep all of that away from our attention too.
So we're in a no win scenario. The only thing that we can rely
on are reports and also connectecting with those researchers that we link with to see
what we can find in terms of evidence, and of course there's very little
evidence other than the you know, visual recording or radar recording, and of
course witness testimony that we rely on as truth. You know, I know
there's a lot of people out there who are not truthful, who don't,
you know, tell it how it is. But you know, eventually those
people get found out. So I think, you know, now we're in
exciting times because people are really beginning to push for they call disclosure. Where
we get it, We're not sure And you can speak quite clearly on that
because you are an actual witness. Yes, And I stayed for the record.
And the last incredible sighting there's been no more since, was on the
ninth of April twenty sixteen with those three huge UFOs that my niece had filmed.
And it's a long story of when we were coming back from an early
birthday meilbing my brother that night, a cold, starlit night, with those
three objects and they had been tracked all the way from the hours of silly.
There was another research of that contacted me who's no longer very sadly on
the side of life, Dave Twine, and of course this opened up a
lot more speculation about these crafts that were seen. But on that night,
question when they're being tracked. They had to send it right over us,
Me and my brother, the three of them, and they were not from
this world. That's the only way I could explain it to you. But
again, you know I had a mobile phone on me, it was in
my man bag. Why didn't I take the phone out to film? But
even then, you see even the footation that my niece filmed when they're on
their way to us, because they'd also been at the mill and left about
ten minutes before us, and that the whole event transpired on that night.
But even if you did bring that film footage forward, people say I want
proof, I want evidence, Yeah, and it's yeah. But David,
you know, at the end of the day, what will convince a skeptical
person. I will tell you what will nothing if I told you and I
don't. But if I said to you, oh, I've got a piece
of the debris for the Boswell crash, and let's just say, I mean
I don't. I'm just staying for the record. I did, and I'm
being honest with you, and I was. No one would believe you.
They wouldn't. So I think this tell us a great deal about not only
conscious distance, but the way that the systems programmed the public. And it's
something that is a problem, I think, a real major problem, because
there's you know, the the public have been programmed and that's the problem not
just within the areas of UFO research or cryptozoology or paranormal research, but also
within the religious infrastructures as well. So this is I think that this is
the problem that the system has. Oh you know, this is why they
can't tell the public, because the public will then realize that they have been
lied to by the people that we look up to for you know, no
truth as it were. I think a lot depends also on the person who
tell you. And how will you know that person? I mean, I
know that if you told me you had a piece of roswellt the roswell cresh,
I believe you. I know you haven't actually that's by the buyer,
But I know you. What what I'm saying is I know you wouldn't be
lying about it, That's what I mean, That's right. I mean.
The thing is though, within the you FO field of investigations, it's very
tricky waters. And this is what I think anyone that's a research or author
experience up whatever category that you fall into. I found this as well too.
I mean, I know those very good, trusting, honest, integral
souls that I connect with. And it's very sad also because it's not just
dealing with truth and honesty and those individuals that come across as as very grounded,
but you also will invariably get attacked, which I am constantly and many
other researchers, and I know that you know, yeah, but there are
people out there that for some reason they don't like what you bring to the
table, they don't agree with you, or they just don't like you full
stop. And you know, some of them don't even know me, and
yet they write about you as if they really do know you. So that
we don't only have a problem with regards to trying to fathom what we're dealing
with, and that up against also those establishments, establishments of power that are
keeping this all to themselves, but also the people on our level. So
David, it is it's a war. No, no, yeah, well,
you know it amazes me because me knowing you as you are, I
can't imagine anyone not liking you, you understand me, yes, yeah,
yeah, those people that obviously insult you or what they do I call your
names or where, but they honestly don't know you, because I can't imagine
anyone who actually knows you would that you feel that way about you. You
know, it just doesn't make sense to me. No, and it doesn't
with me. And I think that's why that you know, most of us
within this area of research, not just within you ever research or psychical research,
and I mean serious psychical research, you will get those people who don't
agree with your opinions or they just want to see things their way. And
I've always said, as long as we have human beings on the planet,
by the way, we're still trying to work out what we're about, you'll
never have any form of, you know, equilibrium with regards to how people
deal with things. So you just have to live with it either phrase.
And yet it does hurt quite a lot when you get people who hide behind
their keyboard and use fake names and just deliberately out to attack you. For
goodness sake, at the end of the day, we should we all working
together, truthfully and honestly to try and establish what it is that we're dealing
with here, you know, instead of like arguing about whose right and who's
wrong all those who want whole position to discover the holy grill of what this
is all about so that they get star status or walk the red carpet within
yourphology. I mean, it's nice to be recognized, yes, but it's
a very difficult area to walk because you know, whichever path you take,
you'll always find that some people are ready to redirect you into another corner or
another area entirely. So you know, it's just one of those things,
you know. Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying, that there's
there's a thing about being a gentleman about it. There's several people out there,
I'm not gonna name any names or anything, but have got beliefs that
I don't believe in. You know, you people say they we never went
to the moon, or all the Earth flat or all that. You know.
I don't agree with those opinions, that's what you want to call them,
But I wouldn't go out and start insulting them, and so I'll try
to say, well, I'm sorry, I don't agree with this. There's
a couple of people who are good friends actually, who they think we never
went to the moon. But I just told them well, I believe we
did, because that's the end of which, unfortunately, neither of us can
prove either way, can we know? And I've always been very open to
all forms of speculation. I have always respected anyone's opinion or how they see
things. There are some individuals, unfortunately, who have put me in a
corner and basically told me that I'm stupid, that my work is worthless.
But I don't know what I'm talking about, and I think, yeah,
that has happened, and I have never had anything to do with these people
whatsoever. So you will find this invariably. But one of the things,
the wonderful things, the glorious things, is if you remain truthful and honest
and you're dedicated to your cause, you can't go wrong. And you know,
although you will get attacked, my goodness me. There was a period
of time many years ago where I was appeared on one program. I think
it was met with one point one million views. It was a talk I
did on the Grays and the theoretical model that I had created back in nineteen
ninety six with regards to them, and you know, the stuff that was
on there was absolutely damaging to my character, my personality, to the nature
of who I am as a human being. And of course I've you know,
for some people this this is really important for others out there to know.
For some people, they might not be as strong as I am.
And I do know a few people that's savva no longer where it's because of
those very reasons. That is what I found upon. But again we just
have to, you know, grow a stiff, uper lip and move forward.
As the British say, David, did you find that it did actually
damage your I want to call it ego, your personality for instance? Did
it actually did you feel damaged by it? Yeah? I felt thwarted.
I think at that time. You know, I've got a lot of good
friends, your good self and all the others. I did feel very thwarted,
and I was very upset by it all. And you know, I
don't understand. You know, there is enough room on this planet for everyone,
and you know, if we remain open to all forms of conjecture,
because what we're dealing with here is a construct I believe that integrates itself on
a personal level within the human psyche, and I think most people are trying
to squeeze into the same box. And you know, we categorize like UFOs
as when in one box the dogmen in another sasquatching another the poet that goes
on and on and trying to create those links. But then you'll find people
saying, well, no, actually I know all about that, and you
know, I'm not interested in that. We're trying to work to a common
denominator of exploring that truth with opening that door. And I've never been one
of these people like I want the fame and the glory and even be saying
this will damage that as well too with certain people because they will see that
as the fensive in fact, so I actually know, I actually know that
firsthand. Of you, Philip, You've got noere ego with you at all
about anything, you know, No, no, no, I'm very ground
I'm very fascinated. And the thing that really drives me, David, like
you, as to the truth, to be honest truth. And you know,
I've dealt with a number of people who were not truthful, who lied,
who tried to steer me into their understanding of what was going on,
and I was very polite and very gentlemanly about it, and decided that I
didn't want anything to do with these people anymore. But then I left it.
But they were the ones that started bringing and I found wanted to create
more problems for you. And it's like all you want to do is to
shake hand and say Okay, no problem, walk away, and it's like
no, they want to put the knife back while they're at it. So
it is an ugly business. But you know, as I said, you
know, I found that with the books, there's there's people who are out
there and they'll deliberately go out there to bring you down. And the only
way they can do that it is my perhaps purchasing a copy of your book
on Amazon and putting a one star and hiding behind a name. But don't
worry. You know, at the end of the day, I'm aware of
those who are genuine. I'm up for any genuine reviews, bad or good.
And those that helpuly attack. It's like, well, every researcher gets
it, and it's just like, oh God, here we go again.
You know, it's okay, and you do obviously. You know, we've
both had the experience that some so called research researchers out there will use you
to see what they can get of you for their own good, you know,
to get money. Basically. Yeah. Yeah, I've had some other
people as well that have basically said, well, you know, you've taken
my ideas well. No, actually, buddy, my ideas were published back
in nineteen ninety six, and so you know then you know, you have
to protect your ground or territory. And it is only theoretical in nature.
And I think that this is a huge area of difficulty that we find.
But I, as said, enjoy the theory. I enjoy the work behind
it. I enjoy the chase, I have the answers, David, No,
I haven't. What we do have is a number of theoretical models so
we can work towards. And this is steering us into some fascinating areas.
But yes, but I have some other good friends in America as well who
also found themselves under that guise of other people lying to them and leading them
in. As you know, David, no names mentioned, and you know,
oh no, no, we won't go there now. No, it
is a terrible state of affairs, I must say. I mean also,
I mean, I know for a fact that you've been in the in the
business for a long long time. When you were both young, you and
Ronnie. Yes, and that experience that you had and remember seeing the newspaper
reports and everything when you were both well young teenagers almost all young men.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you want to just
give us a potted version of your your you know, just so we know,
because there may be some people out there listening to this and not know
what the hell are we talking about. Well, I mean I do joke
and say that about yourthology day fish a hard type. Yeah, I mean
we say there's no real experts out there, nobody really knows what's going on.
They no, and you know, well it all started. I think
the major case started when my brother and I were thirteen and we had been
staying with our maternal grandparents and all our holidays were spent with them. Basically
they're like second parents to be and my brother and it was me and my
twin our grandmother in the garden and they had a big house in Felt,
Middlesex, and my uncle built that house and they had two houses basically,
and it was on a summers we were debating whether or it's a summer's late
afternoon or evening, and people say, I've got you, but we were
thirteen years of age. For goodness sake, we didn't take it have a
diary there to report it. It was a couple of years ago, now,
wasn't it. Yeah, So we were met with this silver or that
was the size of a football that came over in bore daylight and suspended itself
roughly around where the second story windows was to the building, because it was
a three story building, and over our grandmother's head. And I will never
forget when we asked her what it was, because everyone assumed that UFOs were
bigger. I did, and you know what was this? And their grandma
said, oh, look, the fairies come to take a closer look at
us. And I remember thinking, well, it's no fairies. But it
was quite shocked, and it was bizarre. It made no sound, it
was spherical, it was quite shiny, although you can see the reflection of
the tree in it's upon its surface, and it seemed to be observing us.
And of course it then went up and looked through the window, and
then the other one, and then of course like went over the top of
the house, and we ran in to see it from the other end of
the house as it shot off very quickly at that point, and I consider
that to be a food fighter. I remembered we were at Stockford High School
then and I loved that school in Luton, and because we'd moved obviously from
South Africa to Luton when Luton was a nice that we lived in at Victorian
House there. But I remembered talking to some teachers and mister Charles, he
was a teacher and he loaned us a load of his I can't remember what
magazines have recorded, there was a whole series of them that we could take
and read on our summer holidays. So that was the starting starting point of
it all. But then now realizing going forward to nineteen eighty nine when we
moved to Master Martaine and we lived in a big house in a cul de
sac, and that experience that I had, and I'm not going to go
into that was considered to be an abduction that came in to past one physical
one non physical. Yeah. We have covered it before, really we have,
yes, Yeah, but that seemed to trigger a chain of recalls from
even going back as far as when we were kids, children mere children.
So I do believe, like Steve Aspin and also Paul Sinclair good friends,
that there is some kind of intergenerational connection, and UFOs have been seen.
You know, my brother and I had seen them most of the time.
I'll give an example here of another time we were coming back from a friends
late one night from Milbrook he lived in Milburok, back to Master Martainne,
and it did make the papers because we saw this huge object when we went
down a lonely country road. And I don't make much mention of that because
it was just the observation of a UFO at very low, low height around
us. There's been a number of them and that was reported. And there
was another time when I remembered seeing these triangles. They were in a stormy
day and they were there. There was I think it was about six of
them. There was seemed to be tumbling through the air, and then there
was another six that followed them, and you think to yourself, you know,
what the hell are they? You know, they're not black plastic bags,
six of them in triangular formation as black as tar, spinning or turning
in the air. I mean, there's been a number of things that I
that have been reported, that have been documented in the press that I you
know, I just brought out the main experiences. The main encounters like the
one with the sphere with our grandmother, the abduction of nineteen eighty nine,
the Rention thing where we brought the UFO four through the C five initiative on
the eighth of June nineteen ninety eight and ten and fifteen pm at night,
and then go to the ninth of April twenty sixteen with the last sighting of
those massive UFOs. But they yeah, there have been a series of them
and most puzzling, But even to this day, I still don't know,
David. I mean, you know, people will tell you what they think
it is, and certainly they come across as UFOs, but we don't know
what they are. I will just say one thing, They're not from here.
I can assure you of that fact. Yes, that was, that
was, That's where that all came from. Yeah, are you going down
the route now? I believe that things may well be more interdimensional. Were
not so about all craft, of course, but maybe some of the experiences
that people have are more interdimensional than extraterrestrial. Yes, absolutely, And I
think this is why you know, we're all important. Everyone is unique,
we all have a path and we view things differently. But when I was
involved with UFO research after the initial abduction of nineteen eighty nine, i've belonged
to your folk group. It then started leading me into the psychic component or
looking into the other area of communication shodn't survival evidence of those on the other
side, and exploring that territory. So I think we will to point out
at this point because after your experience, you did actually become a clearvoyant,
didn't you. That's correct. Yes, So whether or not unless you had
unless you had something that you didn't actually know about it, maybe it was
something that was brought out by it. Yeah, I think that's possible.
I think that's more in line with what happened because I remember that some strange
experiences and this mere fueled or opened or you know, something occurred that allowed
this to progress and develop, because a lot of people who have uf experiences
sometimes found themselves as healers, as artists, as channelers, whatever, all
these types of things. But going back the intermensional hypothesis is interesting because you
know, when we're dealing with this phenomena that seems to be too construct to
it. I think when there's a viewing of UFFO, the UFO is able
to alter the space, but not only this space, but loss of the
time, and when it comes in closer, it seems to then integrate on
a very personal level, on a conscious level, with the individual. And
this is why when I had my experience back in nineteen eighty nine and then
in nineteen ninety six and they came up with that theory, there was like
a download about the Grays and now it's possible that they could be a construct
that is linked with some kind of interdimensional or even ultra terrestrial level. We
don't know, but this certainly opened up the can of worms. And I
used to think that, well, I thought the UFOs were the occupants,
were lovely, kind folk. You heard all about the space Brothers, and
I used to have these, you know, this dream of meetings UFO Nords
and being taken on board their ship and you know, getting me off this
planet. And if anyone out there says they haven't had that thought, then
well, you know, most people do. But the reality of it was
shockingly very different. And it's not to say that I was hoping and praying
for contact. I never had any wish to be contacted by UFO Nords as
they call them, but they weren't ufhone orts. They seemed to go in
the category of the grades. And also, embarrassingly, the Reptilians, three
of them. That was back in nineteen eighty nine, and I had to
live with the shame of that not understanding at that point that there could make
no connections between the grades and the Reptilians. And of course the really nasty
thing is people started telling me, well, they knew who these grades were,
they knew what the Reptilians were, they knew their high command. I'd
literally lost the plot. I couldn't deal with that anymore. But I think
that a lot of the research is now beginning to show us that we could
be dealing with something that operates on alternative levels of reality. And even in
quantum research that I've been doing, which is really heavy going, but in
quantum mechanics, it shows us that, you know, that this is an
area of very interesting in terms of you know, alternative realities or dimensions of
awareness. They're able to interlink with our realm. So yes, I am
still of the opinion that you know, when these crafts come in, is
it possible that they And I've thought about this, written about this that they
constitute a lot of our materials upon this earth to build themselves, to construct
themselves as they come into our reality, and this is why and a lot
of UFO crashes, And by the way, I've never been near a UFO
crash in my life, but a lot of the report state that when they've
gone through it is to be believed that the analysis of the materials shows a
lot of earthly materials, but there's a little something in there that are not
quite sure about. So it is interesting. So I think that the phenomena
is able to construct itself. And it reminds me a little bit of the
thing the film, the thing, that awful film that I saw that gave
me nightmares, and then the prequel to that that even gave me more than
nightmares, it made run cold. Was that the one with cut Russell.
Yes, and then they did a future one and there was a scene in
there that literally pay my blood. And I can assure you, David,
if there was anything like that on here, I would be definitely getting off
this planet. Yeah you sense of humor. Yeah, So I mean,
when you're talking about that, do you do you believe that they're actually trying
to manipulate our own dimension to some sence. Yes, yeah, I think
that's very interesting. I'm not you know. I know people have their opinions
like the good ET's and the Space Brothers and all that. I understand that,
but I've always dealt with the that side that I understand in terms of
what I what I encountered. So I do believe that when we look at
the so called Grace as they're called, you know, people say, well,
they're here to help us, Well they haven't because they come in and
they take what they want from us and they go. You seem to want
to integrate with our species at all. And they invariably lied to the abductees
on multiple cases, you know, as first of all they're from Zeta reticular,
and then they're from somewhere else, or they even bring relatives on board.
I didn't see any dead relatives when I was on that craft, if
that's what it was, been tapicking into their space and their time or the
dimension of awareness. But I do believe that they are working towards their own
agenda. And it's interesting, isn't it, Because David, when we look
at the grades, they are not able as we understand to reproduce, and
yet they're interested in our process of reproduction, and this causing to question the
hybridization program, and not only that I've been looking into areas of that,
but also consciousness, the afterlife, and also the process of why it is
that we as the human even in our world today, we still don't know
enough about where we originated from. And I could give you a few ideas
there and not the Sunday School version that we've all been fed from, the
system that lies towards that we serve. Absolutely, so yeah, I agree
with you. I think that most of this phenomena is working towards its own
end. And fear, I think is the major component because they seem to
feed from fear and they can integrate themselves or morph themselves and in our reality
very quickly. And this supposes the question as to what they are and what
they want from us. We still don't know what that is. But when
we look at the darker aspects of yourpology, especially in terms of the adduction,
people will tell you all is because you wrote this in your life chart.
On the other side, really you really believe that, I don't.
I think that there are certain elements that you know can be altered if that
is possible, or changed, or go drastically wrong if that's the case.
And I've also just to finish off here. You know, when I've spoken
to some people about the afterlife and about us writing the chart on the other
side, well we must have all been drunk. I always say that something
here seriously has has gone wrong. And I think the planet Earth was meant
to have been a very different place, and I think that darker forces have
basically hijacked the world, and I think that they are using us as going
back into a civilian times, as just merely the slaves, the servants.
And unless we can awaken to the fact that you know that this program,
in this centralized programming, has dumbed us down, is brought to a much
major height because I believe that these darker forces which operate within the shadows here
are intent in keeping the subjugated and it's the only way that they can survive.
So I think we've got a number of angles, a number of parts
that are working against us. And this is why we can't have any real
real transparency to the whole phenomena, because we're not just dealing with an alien
that we call alien force, but also up against people in our own you
know, cultural owned society who could be working hand in claw with them.
And this is the problem. This is why there's such a secrecy surrounding the
whole phenomena, because if the public were told the truth and jaws would be
on the floor. David, Yeah, definitely. Well, you mentioned the
grade. Now, I've had a few different guests on the show, or
as you probably know, over a few of them they actually say there's more
than one type of gray. Well, would you go along with that?
Well, to be honest with you, David, I mean, I can't
discount what's been written, and what research is brought forward is a possibility.
I can only report what I saw. I saw some grays, and the
last grade that I saw in nineteen eighty nine was very different to the last
one that I called nod. It was very different from the other grades that
I said that one of the grades i'd seen there was two that are company
down, and I was to look at them. I don't know why that
happened, but the gray in front of me was very different. And of
course, as you know, when people, you know, look at the
UFO phenomena, they want to look at it in a very nuts and bolts
fashion. Well I have, but I also look at the its dimensional hypothesis
because when I go back to the abduction in nineteen eighty nine, two events
happened with that. I'm not going to go into the whole thing, but
one, when the levels of high strangers started, my brother went into a
chance and looked up to the ceiling and said, there's going to be an
earthquake. Progrum was going to die as though the forces started to present itself
with scrambling reality. And then the gray at the end, when I asked
a question to confirm its reality that I knew that if it gave me the
answer, I would know, it also raised its head up in slow motion
and started to garble some unintelligible language. Now, Piers Back actually made the
parallels between what my brother was doing and what the gray was doing. So
you know, what are they? What are they doing? You know?
On why did they appear different? So we do hear about the tall grays,
the short grays, the blue grays. The one I saw was a
creamy colored, but the one at the end that was on board the craft,
the one at the and the black one that came through the door to
begin with, or dressed in plant in black with a large helmet on it's
head looked like a multorcycle helmet, but it wasn't, and it was just
the top part was bigger than the rest of its body, its headhead,
and the gray at the end, which was suited and booted, And that
was bizarre. So I think the phenomena is able to integrate itself into the
mind of the abductee or the experience, and will project itself in the way
that it wants you to view. It wants you to see it. And
yet lastly, there was something familiar to me about that gray, even though
I wanted to punch him. It felt like a heat to me. I
can't prove that, but I wanted to punch it, but I couldn't move.
But no, it's very bizarre, so I can't. I can only
say, yes, I believe that there are different factions of Grace, But
whether or not they're one of the same force projecting itself into these different bodies
or the way they present themselves, I don't know. Yeah, one guest
that I had on recently said, there's well, I can't remember the exact
figure now, but we've had visitations from over well as well, over one
hundred different species. I find that a little bit hard to believe, considering
where are they? Yeah, are they exactly? I've always joked and said,
well, if anyone could tell me what bothering, I'll go down with
them and talk it over with the sas squash, whether the dogm and the
werewolf, with the you know, I mean they must have all or they
must all have this some technology where they can cover themselves up and hide.
Yes, well, do you know the human as the human we seem so
far removed and the only intelligent species on this planet, so far removed from
all this other phenomena. Because if you look and try and make collect connections
as I as I hear at terrestaural trespasses, and there are other good researchers
out there, like Pausing, Claire, Steve Mirror, Barry Fitzgerald, it
goes on. The list goes on that are trying to put this together.
What's interesting is that when you look at the document, for instance, or
the Sasquatch, we hear these cases of them being able to mind speak.
A Pausing Clay told me and I'm sure you wouldn't mind me saying, as
I've said it before, at one case where one of these werewolves had manifested
itself in front of these people, appeared in front of them, and it
was wearing an earring in its ear. Now what does that tell you,
David? And this is the thing, This is something that will shatter the
entire structure and belief systems of many researchers if we then try and look go
or go down that road and look into the area that are we dealing with
one force or are we dealing with separate forces? And if they are separate
forces, where are they all? You know? And people will tell you
how it is. I don't know how. That is. All I can
tell you, David, is that is a very interesting question, on one
that merits a lot of investigation. You understand, David, because I agree,
I don't you know, if we've got hundreds of them, where are
they all? Were they hanging out? I mean, you know? And
how is it? As pau Sinclair has famously said, the truth that leaves
no proof. I think that is such a classic line of his because the
phenomena very rarely needs any proof, and people say what proof or want proof?
Well, it doesn't give any proof. And this is why we are
all being led down the garden path most of the time, because we're left
scratching our heads. And this is why I think now in our time,
now here in the two thousands, we are having to stretch our minds beyond
that level of physicality and looking into a you know, the interdimensional hypothesis or
the quantum roma were to try and find answers there. Yeah, yeah,
I mean a couple of years ago I would have I could not understand that
at all. I thinking about like the holographic universe and things like that.
That's right, I think over the last couple of years, I've been reading
a bit about it. I still don't fully understand it, but I ain't
getting there. I believe. Yes, we go through a sense of morphology,
we go through a sense of transmutation our souls, David, as I
said to you, we all do, myself included, back in the eighties,
back in the nineties, I would never have considered at all, you
know, this inter dimensional hypothesis is or the holographic theory that's coming forward,
and that does kind of like makes sense because light is vibration, and vibration
creates matter. When you go into the content, you've got duel wave,
you know, particles, duel consciousness. So when you look into these areas,
it's very interesting and thought actually creates. So this leads has led me
definitely into those areas of the astral planes as they call it, and other
areas of creation. So you know, as I said very quickly, here,
you know, we're kind of squeeze it into one box. I think
we're going to have a hard time. I'm doing that because there are multiple
connections with other phenomena which is trying to tell us something I think on a
deeper level of the intellect. So you know, this is where we are
met at the moment. But Grays they were the starting point for me and
still very much a headache I can show you. Yeah, And also I
think, I mean your book goes a long way. I mean, obviously
anyone listening to the show out there, really what you want to do is
get phillips book Terrestrial Trespassers and it will give you a lot more information about
Philip's hypothesis. And you're not just the only one with this hypothesis. Well
you're one of many. Yes, I think you're back in nineteen ninety six.
The vision I had, or the download, it's the only one that
I had. It was very strange. It's like my mind open because from
the nineteen eighty nine event, I kept questioning what happened. I wanted to
find out what it was. And I think that within the mind, when
you are continuously probing a particular question. Giving a example here, Einstein worked
in a patent's office, Okay, and for years he used to walk under
a clock. Years and years he would go to work or walk under a
huge clock, and then one day, click, it all came to him,
and it can happen to some people. We're all incredible or all amazing.
You have a brain as a transmitter receiver. But the trouble is,
David, that most of us are programmed with its society, and not just
through fear or propaganda. But I think the system utilizes psychological weaponry. Now
not weapons in the way that will destroy you, but very clever in the
way that it's able to distort fact and fiction, and it will do and
it will make you watch things like Coronation Street rather than actually see Well.
I did use to I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for I didn't
really like the program, but I did like in a Sharples because he was
a very strong Northern lass and a very accomplished actress. I can tell you
that now. Oh, to be honest, I already pizzed on that,
obviously. I think also all forms of entertainment like that are often used as
a distraction to stop people thinking, and obviously, over a long term,
it actually makes you. It kind of makes you a slave to the system,
doesn't it. So you don't be too deep or some people don't be
too deep. Well, when I first got involved in UFO research and I
started to go to UFO groups, I mean we had one, I think
it was one every two weeks, and I go there and look and see
the people doing their talks and talk to them. I felt like I was
a star by meeting a staff and wow, I spoke to him or her,
and many wonderful people came to do talks. But what I find is
when I wake up in the morning, I was like, oh my god,
what am I doing? You know, there's no such thing. What's
going on with me? This doesn't feel will be something else. But then
of course what happened that is to do with centralized programming, and one part
of my mind had rejected the part of the system was telling us didn't exist.
And then, of course, eventually, years later I came to the
acceptance of balancing or some kind of equilibrium within both hemispheres of the brain to
say, it's okay, Philip, because you now are no longer programmed.
You've taken yourself one step further into a much larger world. I'll quote that
from Star Wars with Benobi Wan Kenobi and kind of like seeing things on this
different level. So this is the battle that we have. You will find
very difficult to not convince the public, but tell the public, look,
you've been lied to, because they will be like like I was all of
those years ago. So I can't accept this. I can't take it.
So this is the problem. This is not something that's going to happen in
a day or a week or this is going to take decades for people to
start to understand that a lot of our history is wrong, and a lot
of it's been hidden as well. Yeah, I think people are gradually waking
up to a lot of that. Oh, I think people are actually realizing
that a lot of what we're told is just complete lawis Oh no, Well
I had to find out, David, whether or not one I was like,
or whether or not the system was like and I know what you mean,
or yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, And of course
you find that, Well, you can see the circus acts going on in
the world, and not just within your followed your elements of the paranormal,
but also the very there, very basic things that's going on of how the
system is trying to utilize control and power. And it's when you when you
can understand that, when you can see it as clear as day, and
there's now that you can do about it, you just have to sit back
and think, well this you know, it's going to carry on. But
I think you're right. I think a lot more people are waking up knowing
that this, this whole situation is just ridiculous. It's a big farce,
you know, so the good are trying to be subjugated and that they're coming
out now and people are like, yeah, there they are. Well,
I've seen it firsthand myself over the last two or three years, how people
have actually woken up, you know, you know, I've just seen it
first hand. It's difficult to sort of describe it. Really. It's just
that when you've had the per the experience of people that have shut things down,
and I'll get people saying some old time there when you speak on radio
shows or off air before the shows, how much people have woken up to
a lot of what's going on? Yes, yes, And people say,
well, where'd you get the information? Well, first of all, do
your research. Well you have to do for it. You have to do
it. Yeah, but the system we said is not going to give you
it. Yeah, it's exactly right. It does how I did from you.
You need to really do for it. Yes, that's right, and
it's all there. I mean, you find your own path, your own
way. But whenever you're interested in your gut reaction, you're feeling your truths
will guide you down those roads to what you consider to be your reality and
the truths to you, and then you'll find that those truths are open to
it and are accepted by many other people as well. Yeah. I've got
a couple of little thoughts that have come to mind. You would you assume
you had an implant put into you? Didn't you? In the right ear.
Yes, that's Has there been any developments from that? Has anything sort
of gone on from that? Or have you tried to get it looked into
or well, you know the drama with the doctors, the three these situations
with that, and then the last one I'll never forget where they said,
oh, have you been abducted by aliens? When they had an examination,
they didn't send me to an ear specialist or anything. And people will jump
on the bandwagon and say I don't believe you need you need to do this
and you need to do that. Well, let me remind you that we're
all very different. And I thought, well, whatever it is, because
I felt that move back and that's why I went back to the doctors and
said, there's something in there and it is looking out. They said it
as a crystalline structure, looks like it's still healing. You know, that
is totally bizarre, and it was like something from the Twilight Zone. And
I remembered, you know, thinking that, you know, does this force
also control other people? This is like a little bit of a well thought
here, like when she said that to me, I mean, what what
doctor would ever say that to anyone? And what would who would say that,
have you been abducted by aliens? I remember walking back to my car
far worse than when I got into the doctors. But I think I left
it. I thought, you know what, I'm not getting anything here with
it. And people say, all, go into this and go and do
that. Yes, well, even if I did go do this and go
do that, they still would not be satisfied as a personal choice. I've
left it. Whatever it is, it's you know, it may still be
in there. I haven't felt it move for a long time, And I
said a running I did joke and say that the last sighting of those magnificent
UFOs was on the ninth of April twenty sixteen, at eleven fifteen pm at
night, one hour more than the appearance of the UFO that was summoned in
Rendelschum on the age June nineteen ninety eight, or ten fifteen pm. It
must be something about the court past link somewhere. But I said, maybe
Ronnie and my twin brother and I are a couple of old, washed out
old has beens. Now they're in or we've woken up to the fact that
we're aware that there's more than just the glitz and glamor. And I know
that Barry Fitzgerald has an amazing theory and if anyone wants to check out with
Barry, that Barrett's Barry Fitzgerald and also Steve Mirror in terms of their understanding
of this phenomena. Yeah, the doorway project. Yes, that's correct,
very interesting project doorway they call it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There
was another thought I had, also, did you actually consider talking to that
doctor a bit more about what he said, because him saying that it must
have he must have had some other experience of it. It was a female
doctor, David, I feel you know, it's no problem. No,
there were two of them, and the one that examined it said, it
looks like it's healing. It's got some kind of crystalline structure. She said
some other things, and I'll own to report facts, David. I report
report what I remember, I recall. I can't remember what else. But
she was very interested in it and then left it. She just went she
went back up to her office because the doctor he went to go and get
her. And I was a bit curious that she was a nurse or a
doctor. That wasn't really made plain to me. So nurse or doctor.
But the doctor was the one that came down and said, there's a crystalline
structure. It was like a still healing. So no, and the thing
is now, well, can you get to the doctors. Will I still
be able to see them? No, it's as hard as anything today.
And but I, you know, I did used to go there. And
you'll laugh at this, not with that lady or that. I didn't remember
that. The other doctor, i'd seen her before, But I've been there
to do readings, would you believe, for them and their lunch breaks.
And I was in there. I was in the doctors one time, waiting
to go in for an appointment, nothing to do with my ear. And
one of the doctors came down and said, all could see from a minute
did a reader? Well yes, yeah, So it's a bit twister Byrony
there. It's not about you, it's about contacting the other side walking there
is a highestration. She couldn't make it up, David, Yeah, no,
it's just it's just something across my mind. I thought, if you
knew the doctor's name, still, would it be worth actually dropping them an
email or something? And so and is there any sort of information that you
can give me about maybe other experiences you've had. Yeah, well, I
had a stroke many long years ago, and of course I had head scams
and all the rest of it as you do. But nothing of a foreign
implement turned up then. But it was interesting how she saw that, and
of course you know I but you know, it's something to consider, but
not anything I'm rushing out to get done anytime soon. I've just left it,
and I just, you know, I'm just more interested in the research
side now than exploring my own personal experiences, because whatever you go through,
there are people that attack you, will tell you how it is or what
understand You can't win there at all, So I just I don't know.
Yeah, it's just I'm just sort of thinking from my perspective that if I
thought I had an imput I'll be one of foind out where did it come
from? Then? Did it get there? When did it get there?
You know, all that sort of thing. Well, there was another curious
part to it, to be honest with you, that that's actually linked in
the book. So I don't know if it's gone off, it's still in
there. I couldn't even tell you. But it was a period where everything
was shut down and things happened, you know, so, and then of
course we all had to have something as I was going to America and there
may have been there may have been an event then an area where there had
been an abduction. I can't prove it, but it was very strange how
I had marked across my neck. So whether not they had salvashed that,
or whether or not they had reversed something in me and my brother as a
twin, I have no idea. We can't answer that, but it was
very strange. Hmm, yeah, just something. It's crossed my mind several
times. I thought, I really want to dog and find out about that,
you know, as you I'll probably mention it to you before anyway,
Yes, something else that crosses my mind. Being a clear volume, do
you actually pick up alien presencies? No, not once, I'm afraid not.
So this actually shows us all can demonstrate that perhaps that part of the
dimensional reality that our loved ones pass over to. We don't know what happens
to the core of the experience. We have no idea even to deal with
aspects of reincarnation or incarnation is puzzling, but a reality nevertheless. But no,
so this tells me that perhaps we are dealing with a false or a
phenomena that is operating slightly on a different frequency from that of what we call
and do bear with me here the spirit world. I think the quantum realm
is more of an error to go by. So no, I have never
I don't think I've had people mediums coming to me and saying, oh,
they've seen aliens all that whatever lovely, are so lovely. I've never.
No, It's only been because I facilitate information. Like Shelock Holmes, I
just deal with yes or no and bring the evidence forward that way. So
I never feed for information at all. I just bring it through with what
I get or what I said to what I feel with the mind. We
all have one. But no, I answer your question, David, No,
No, that ciber either cutt off from you personally, or when aliens
die they go to a different part of a dimension and they stay separate through
their own death dimension. If you see what I'm getting it well. Part
of my theoretical content was regards to the grays and the process of self replication,
which also brings to question the areas of the spirit, the soul consciousness,
and this is why they may be interested in salvaging something that they themselves
have lost or not part of. Or it could be conceivable to assume that
they are creating a new genus I either hybrids, because we as species have
failed, we are on a road destruction. We have to be open to
all forms of speculation in terms of that hypothesis. But certainly, the the
spirit the reproductive cycle is something that the Grays are very interested in. And
I have mentioned this, and one wonders, you know, whether they have
you destroyed themselves as we as human race might be because we are heading towards
transhumanism, and that leads to an area where the system does not want us
to be individual. It doesn't want us to be able to have our own
thoughts. What are you thinking? What are they thinking? It wants to
know all that you're thinking. So perhaps the Grays had canceled themselves out through
their own processes of replication and destroyed themselves, and that a part of them
perhaps have projected themselves into our reality like remote viewers. It's possible or you
know, coming into our dimension of reality in the way that they do,
to bring a part of us into their realm to make that connection, that
fusion, that lean. You know, people say, well, how is
it that if they've taken the real part of you into their realm, that
they will look at an end ear when they pass over the world to them
is real. And if their body in the physical sense is being corrupted through
illness disease, there seems to be a correction that's made when that astoral part
of them is reunited that the body and they come back and they're healed.
So this is a new area of science that's beginning to show us, especially
within quantum, that materiality and spirit as we call it, are a fusion
that can be separate or brought together in varied levels. So yeah, this
is I don't want to give you a headache with that, daby. No,
No, I've always got a headache anyway, so have I. No,
it does. It does get very mind blowing a lot when you when
you're not being too deep, I mean you you and I know I've been
really like David Hightwook some some years now, uh, and his latest book
is actually they gave me a rather a headache because it's getting so deep it's
really making my head spin. But I could see him talking loot last year
and I got the book and we saw him talk. I didn't have the
pleasure of meeting the great man himself, but I must have been. I
haven't read the book yet. I haven't time to have a look at it.
I've got it though, you know he signed it. He did sign
it personally, just they just brought books up because there were so many people.
That's right. He just he does his big sweeping, big big deed
in it on the thing. Yeah, yeah, Luly, I'm glad to
see him in October. Actually, oh lovely, Well you've met him him,
taken with him regards and who are those two? It was actually surprised
for us. I actually spoke because I used to go to a few of
the protest marches in London. Yes, he actually remembered me for some you
know, it was really weird, he said he did. Anyway, when
he did, it was a lot of better. But oh, well you
know that the two David's Day and House on Fire, no problem. I
said, well, yeah, because I actually used some of his materity one
of my shows. I asked him, I said, Hoppy didn't mind me
doing that? He said, no, no, it's fine, it's therefore
sharing with everyone. So yes, absolutely, and they've they've just taken him
off a telegram now you have the telegram site. Yeah, and he been
blocked off of that. Now free speech is not really harming anyone. I
mean, at the end of the day, you know what's that telling you?
Hello, people, wake up? David White saying, I mean,
you know, most of his theories are controversial, but I think that a
large portion of his work is actually in the right direction. I think that
man knows what he's talking about. Oh, absolutely that now, absolutely,
I mean I do hear people saying that he's a free Mason and all sorts
of stuff I can say firsthand. I mean I can't say for sure obviously,
but he's not a freemos So why do you keep getting banned from everywhere?
If he was well, I mean, at the end of the day,
David, if that's all they're calling him, then I've got no reason
to worry, to be honest with you, because you know, I've been
called worse than that. So you know, whatever you're doing, like many
other researchers, they put you in a bracket. I mean, I mean,
say, when I'm saying free Mason I'm not talking about the lower levels
of free Mason. We all know that the normal, a lot of very
normal people are Freemasons. I'm talking about when we go up into the thirty
three degree premation apparently, and it's only a very small portion of those which
you're which is probably higher than the thirty three, but they're labeled thirty anyway,
I suppose we shouldn't really go it for hits or something. And this
also brings into the equation the esoterical nature of reality where tried to contense human
thinking and program the thought through fear. But most of these people at the
top, I think are very much into all of that anyway, So we
are I kind of like always do that anyway. So they're dabbling into those
areas of the mind, and they've they've shut off within the general public,
as it were, through centralized programming and fear and propaganda. Yeah, anyway,
ex gives more silly questions about No, they're not. They're very intelligent
questions I love to answer. It's part and parcel of the whole phenomenon.
We can that's what we're all wall seeking the answer. That's right. But
it's been great talking to you again Philip, and hopefully we'll get together soon.
Yes, now you've got I believe you've got a foreign tour coming out,
a foreign talk coming up, haven't you. Yes, I'm actually going
to Finland and I've been asked to speak in a UFO conference there, so
I'm very honored. And of course Finland is a great country of one of
my most favorite children's authors, to VEE Johnson, who created the movements and
if people don't know what that's about, she was an incredible artist and author
and the JK. Rolding of her time. So I'm looking forward to that
and also speaking to the crowd about UFOs and of course the theories that we
have, and so yeah, they're sorting that all out. They've been absolutely
wonderful. What is the date of that, Philip, Your appearance there?
That will be on the tent from the twenty seventh night fly out on the
twenty seventh of September and come back on the thirtieth September, and it's on
the Saturday. That's my talk. That's what my talk is on the subject.
So there you go. You want understand in Finland you can look out
for Philip Kinsella we'll be heading your way. And also, I mean,
will your books again? All your books are available on Amazon, Yes,
because sadly the other books were published by other publishers, some of the years
ago. They're out of print now, but they are the new ones are
available on Amazon. You can get everything on episode even now. A kitchen
sick I said, you know, so they actually showed me you can buy
a kitchen sink on Amazon. So I must tell you a quick ending up
little. As soon as you mentioned the kitchen sink a personnel once worked with,
he said he was off for a butler sink, you know, the
big square seats. Oh. Yes, And he saw one advertise on eBay.
Oh it was fifty p. He said, I can't believe it's only
fifty p. And nobody's bid on it. Oh, I said that sounds
good. Then I said it's unbelievable, and nobody's been on it. He
said, Now, he said, I'll put a bid on it, and
he said it's anyway. About three days later he came to work with it
in his hand. It was like a little he came out of a doll's
house. Oh my lord, that is just terrible, isn't it I mean,
this is the world we live in, isn't it. Come oneople out
there? To be honest, I think we've all been I think we've all
made mistakes. Yes, but I had I had one on eBay once,
many years ago, and it was just for the privilege of reading what was
on the screen. And it was his small print. And that was years
and years ago, and never again, never again. But of course in
rhysterics, when you brought that, you put it on the table in front
of me. You see if there is when I lost five pound, he
lost only fifty I lost five pounds. Oh yeah, But anyway, on
that note, so it's Terrestrial Trestpasses is Consider's latest book. The one before
that was called You the Public Deceived. And I think it's probably several of
our others if you look for them. I'm not quite not sure which ones
are still they. Crush is still available yet, Guardians Gold is that there's
another one. You may will yeah, you may well be able to find
second end copies of so many older ones as well. If you love yes,
yeah, if you lucky, yeah, so on out of rent now,
I don't know, I see them turning up for ridiculous amounts of money,
so you know it's crazy and it's really a scene, it really is.
Yes, that's right. Yeah. Anyway, I shall put all the
links I can on the Apparable Dimension's page and I shall look forward to seeing
you soon. Yes, I wish you will take care of yourself and thank
you very much for having me on board. David. It's been absolutely wonderful.
It's always good to talk to you, Philip. You know it is
my love to your lovely mum Sandy. Anyway, I let you go.
Thank you very much for coming on finding the time. Thank you, it's
always a pleasure. Take care of yourself. Bye, b Thank you by
David. There we are. That was a wonderful pop kin sella. Thank
you for going for the always my pleasure. Okay, for the Nick show,
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They have their own show and it's called Seventh Santum and your names are
carry Anne and Natalie. So they will be my guests for next week and
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