1 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:29,519 Hello, Welcome. This is Seventh Sanctum and I am Kerry Anne and tonight 2 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:36,200 I am being joined with Natalie, who is co host over at Seventh Sanctum. 3 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:42,520 You haven't met her yet. Actually, our official introduction of Natalie has 4 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,719 an aired, but this is a special that we're doing for Halloween before it 5 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,000 would be a good idea for us to get together and for us to be 6 00:00:50,039 --> 00:00:57,320 able to give us or give you our take of Halloween and the things that 7 00:00:57,359 --> 00:01:03,359 we've learned along the way, including in some interesting superstition and the origins. 8 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:08,560 But just quickly, before we get into things, I'm gonna let Natalie have 9 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:11,959 a bit of a chat and tell her a little bit about who she is. 10 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,879 We have done this already, you just don't know it yet. So 11 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,120 Natalie's going to introduce herself a little bit and then we get stuck right in. 12 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,079 Thank you Natalie for joining me, So all right, my pleasure. 13 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,400 I'm Natalie. I've agreed to co host with Kerrie and I can waffle on 14 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:33,879 about paranormal for like probably all day. But whether it's any sense or not 15 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,760 is we'll have to, like the listeners decide for themselves. Yeah, I'm 16 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:45,040 sort of like a little bit more on the spiritual slash psychic side than the 17 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,239 paranormal side. But I do like paranormal. I've just got in into it 18 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:53,400 in the last few years. So it's to be interesting to co host this 19 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:57,200 show so that I can talk about interesting new things to me, even if 20 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:02,879 it's not to anybody else. Even in our last conversation that we had, 21 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:07,800 I learned a lot, So I know that we have lots of interesting conversations 22 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,479 with each other and other people that join us, and it would be a 23 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,360 good journey. So I'm glad that I'm able to do this with you, 24 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:20,400 and I'll look forward to all those all those amazing things. So Halloween, 25 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:24,479 Halloween is this week. Yeah, special time of the year, the only 26 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,639 time of the year better than Christmas, absolutely, and it's definitely a time 27 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:37,879 for the weirdos to shine. That makes me the happy. We are the 28 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,919 weirdos. That's it. I was making a slight not there to the craft 29 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,439 in the house, but yeah, we are the weirdos. But yeah, 30 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:53,400 absolutely, I love Halloween. I live for it. It's always Halloween in 31 00:02:53,479 --> 00:03:00,960 my soul. My most favorite thing about Halloween is when the Halloween decorations go 32 00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:08,400 into South so I can start adding to my household esthetics the year round. 33 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:13,280 It we do the annual sale at Halloween so that we've got the year around 34 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,120 decorations because you can't get ghosts the rest of the year and the pumpkins and 35 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:24,639 things. So yeah, I've already started checking out Saints Streets and some really 36 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,159 good stuff this time around. I was like, oh, that's cool. 37 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,879 I like that mug. Oh, I like that little light up ghost that 38 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,080 will look nice on my shell. And yeah, they've got some massive there's 39 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:40,039 got a massive sur in there at the moment. I particularly love the throw 40 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,400 cushions, and that's not just there, it's a couple of other shops. 41 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:49,840 There are some beautiful throw cushions this year. And I love fluffy blankets as 42 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,919 well, so I might have gone overkill. So you're going to be buried 43 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,800 under blankets all winter then basically like ten different bankets exactly, and they've got 44 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:02,199 goals and they've got all sorts on them, so it's not a better blanket 45 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:11,919 to be bound, to be fair, it's all mine's only just gray and 46 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:15,879 fluffy. I want schools on mine. I've got I'll have to show you 47 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:23,000 off camera when we're finished. But I have the most amazing It's got all 48 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,720 sorts on it, Wigi on it, and wig letters and numbers all over 49 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,040 it, and yeah, so yeah, it is my most favorite thing today 50 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,079 is to go into set the Halloween soles and seeing what else I can have 51 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:40,839 for the rest of the year. I'll tell you. One thing that does 52 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:43,920 annoy me about Halloween and Christmas though, is that I think we should ban 53 00:04:44,079 --> 00:04:48,199 Christmas before on Fire Night. Because I went in the other day because I've 54 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:50,720 seen a T shirt with a Sugar school on it, and I was like, 55 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:53,800 oh, that's really nice. When I get paid, I'll go and 56 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,800 get it, and all the Halloween clothings disappeared already. I was really upset, 57 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,759 and I was like, I don't want Christmas stuff. I want to 58 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:08,240 black tissue with the school on it. Yeah, thank you moment Halloween. 59 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,879 This is a movement. I can get behind that, Elie. I can. 60 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,160 I can. I should make a religious holiday so they cannot intrude on 61 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:19,759 it. It should be barred until afterwards. It's funny to say that because 62 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:29,000 technically it is a religious holiday. It just isn't. It is technically a 63 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,480 religious holiday. However, I don't know how far we could go by saying 64 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:46,680 no no crosses until after thank you. Yeah, but I think that's a 65 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,079 good place to start because some of the things so Halloween as what we know 66 00:05:51,199 --> 00:06:00,879 now is the Christian name or Hello's Eve, but pre Christian it's sewing has 67 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,720 always been a big part of in England as well, So a lot of 68 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,399 people meaning were speaking before Natalie where I believe that the origins of Halloween comes 69 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:15,879 from America. Yeah, but I always thought it was really Americanized because we 70 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,639 didn't actually have Halloween when I was younger, so you know, it was 71 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,839 only when I went to UNI, like in the sort of like aiding myself 72 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:28,399 a bit, but early nineties and that, you know, you'd go out 73 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:30,959 on Halloween and dress up, but the trick or treatings thing we never did. 74 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,600 So I always thought it was an Americanized holiday thing because it was just 75 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:42,079 a way of selling sweets and pumpkins because obviously in England we don't generally grow 76 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,360 pumpkins. So I was like, where's this come from. It's a bit 77 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:47,040 weird, and then it just seemed to have taken off. But my friend 78 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:53,959 was Scottish from Fife and she was really she was a lot bigger on Halloween 79 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,759 than I was, and she used to get really annoyed with me because we 80 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,800 didn't do Halloween where we were at the time. Yes, if you'd like 81 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:04,199 to, oh, just as an aside, sorry, it's like, how 82 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:10,079 do you pronounce is it sam hayne or so oyen or I've never known how 83 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:18,120 you pronounce it sooen swyn sown Okay, thank you. So because it's Celtic, 84 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:25,240 it's not it's not one that you can say spelling out, it's not 85 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:31,600 phonetically said. So essentially the way that I see it is s o w 86 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:38,879 w i n swyn win Okay. Yeah. For years I've always been like, 87 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,000 I don't even know how to pronounce that, so no, I know, 88 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:48,160 thank you. So essentially it is the Celtic fire festival and it is 89 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:59,360 to acknowledge the end of the harvest season as essentially it's welcome in the new 90 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:03,600 year. So that's kind of what it what it is, what it was, 91 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:09,800 And when you think religion or belief before pre Christian a lot of it 92 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:13,959 was pagan and that's why a lot of the late holidays you can trace back 93 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,879 to paganism. Uh so yeah, so it was basically there to kind of 94 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,839 honor this this time of change where we went. So essentially they split the 95 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:35,480 year back in the day in the day, yeah, eighty four years, 96 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,639 not a film film reference there. So they split the year into two parts 97 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,960 that had the light light year of the year, like the half that was 98 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,440 of light and then half of that was that was dark. And essentially, 99 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,720 so when was the middle was the day between the two. But you can 100 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:58,919 trace it all throughout the history. So before it was pre Christian which was 101 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,879 all hallow z which is basically for Christians, it was the praying. Basically 102 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:11,279 it was the celebration of the saints that they didn't really have enough room or 103 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:16,039 enough days in the year to be able to honor otherwise, if that makes 104 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:22,279 sense, So that day would be all saints. They've got quite a lot 105 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,440 of saints, haven't they. Some of the inspections of Christianity have a lot 106 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,279 of saints. So they could do that day to honor them saints. So 107 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:35,279 again they're still crossovers there because they would pray and they would honor and whereas 108 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,240 paganism it was about honoring our ancestors and those that weren't that are no longer 109 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:50,720 with us, and It's interesting actually at the different perspectives people have depending on 110 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:54,080 the perspective they have in life and belief. Probably get into that a bit 111 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,440 more later, but for example, like with the Irish, it was celtic 112 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:07,159 in and then for which also is summer end, and then you had Winter's 113 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:13,159 Night for Nors paganism, and then you had as well Anglo Saxons would call 114 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:20,320 it the blood month. So all throughout history they had Can it say that 115 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,200 sounds a little bit You're like, oh, yeah, blah blah blah blood 116 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,960 months, because you know, I'm not even sure why they do. You 117 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,679 know, why they called it the blood months? Where is that one? 118 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,279 Then I didn't do what I want to know, I'm not sure. So 119 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,200 from what I've learned, from what I've looked at, there's common themes throughout 120 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:48,960 all of them, right, So in all aspects, all hellos or so 121 00:10:50,080 --> 00:11:00,919 in sorry, it's about being able to celebrate, to be do you too? 122 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,360 They've harvest all this food because the end of harvest and it's about you 123 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,720 know, for some aspects it would be that it would be the end of 124 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:11,159 their hunting, the end of their war, the end of their their harvest, 125 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,600 and it would be family community and everyone comes together. That is what's 126 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:24,159 familiar across all of them. But essentially October going into the darker months represent 127 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:31,639 death and illness and famine and you know, lots of lots of really not 128 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:37,279 so great stuff. So that's essentially why I was referred to as the blood 129 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,759 month. Because from my understanding, I could be wrong. If I am, 130 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,399 I'll welcome that. Bring it to me, teach me your ways. 131 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,120 I was going to say, if you think about it, it does make 132 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:52,919 sense because I was reading a book on Vikings a little ago, and it's 133 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:58,399 like they tended to stop reading once it started getting like more winter as a 134 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,919 general rule. So you've got like the slaughtering of your animals and the curing 135 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,440 of the meat, and that you've also got them coming home from wherever battles 136 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,399 and fights and arguments they've been having. So I suppose, in a weird 137 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,240 kind of way, there's that transitionary thing between like you say, you've got 138 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,679 your life, your death, your harvest, and your sudden lack of things 139 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,480 to grow, But then you've also got the cultural thing going on, where, 140 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,399 like you say, there's a change because like the Vikings used to go 141 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:35,559 back home to basically sort of you know, homestead farm go out the winter, 142 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:37,559 set their crops in the spring, and then they went off raiding again. 143 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,320 So I suppose in a weird kind of way, if you've got a 144 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,240 sort of nomadic type culture, that would make sense because there's a lot going 145 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:50,080 on at this time of year. It's because they're all settling in for the 146 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:56,320 winter. They thinking about I think they're in themselves for what could be quite 147 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:03,240 really again, when you look at All Hallows, yeah, All Hallows Eve, 148 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:07,039 when they're starting to pray to the Saints honor and the Saints on that 149 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:13,440 day, when you think that a lot of the time in the winter months, 150 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,720 a lot of people were just hoping to get through to the spring because 151 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:22,200 of the fact that there was no So you have this this kind of festival. 152 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,720 This is the so the harvest festivals of the Celtics. For the Celtic 153 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:33,399 Festival, this was the third and last harvest of the year. So they 154 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,440 had all this abundance of food, abundance of you know, family, abundant 155 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:41,960 all the family, all the communities together. People have come back from war, 156 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:48,720 people have come back from radiing. I don't know, everyone's back home 157 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,879 and they're sharing their stories and this is where your folklore comes from, and 158 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:56,879 this is where so you have all of this community stuff happening, where you've 159 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:01,919 got abundance of everything, but they're also that stark reality of knowing that that's 160 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,440 not always going to be the same. For the next couple of months, 161 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,080 there is a lot of a lot of famine, a lot of illness, 162 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:13,720 a lot of unrest, you know, and think it's that people were actually 163 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:18,919 looking at the more the morality then you know, like so no matter what 164 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,759 perspective you go back from them, no matter what perspective you stand upon, 165 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,559 like where your beliefs are, or even what era you're in, that remains 166 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,080 the same throughout. So it's it's it's just I find that very interesting. 167 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,159 Actually, I suppose becoming darkness as well, because I mean, this is 168 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:43,000 the time of year when suddenly the nights are longer and you can't go out 169 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,600 and do a lot in the same way, especially not before electric so you 170 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,399 know, you were stuck at home and with your thoughts a lot more, 171 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:56,639 and you see the darkness, and I suppose it has its own character and 172 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,639 temperament, particularly when you link it with winter, so you It is quite 173 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:05,159 transitional time of year, isn't it. I suppose there's a lot. There's 174 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,919 a lot of going on sort of mentally and psychologically as well as physically, 175 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,960 and like say, emotionally you know, with the community thing and then the 176 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:18,240 worry and fear, but the thank goodness, we've got harvests as well, 177 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:24,240 so that we've got something to live on. But we can also see so 178 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:31,240 that's really isolating and kind of but you can also see the effect that has 179 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,679 within communities, like when you look at the witch trials. A lot of 180 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:39,039 the time, when you look at these pockets of trials that happened around UK, 181 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:43,399 let's just say the UK alone, a lot of them happened in an 182 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,720 area that was kind of experiencing adversities more than one, you know, so 183 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:52,480 it could be that they're in an economic crisis one. You know. For 184 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:56,879 example, there was also a time where it was going on during the Cold 185 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,399 War and there wasn't a lot of trade coming through in the cities that you 186 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,840 know, used to have the boat trays and stuff coming in, so all 187 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,399 these things. When people were starting to get desperate, when they were having 188 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:15,360 barren crops and no no resources, they turn on one another and and like 189 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:21,080 start when there isn't any real logical explanation and it can't be fixed, people 190 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,080 are usually or it's observed to have you know, turned to unrational, illogical, 191 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:33,799 supernatural explanations. So you can see how that has that when it has 192 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:37,240 on the person when they turned each other, So you can see how that 193 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:41,440 could affect them in the like you said that the light and the dark, 194 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:48,080 can that affects someone mentally in the later years for them to go through this 195 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,600 really kind of like joyous in the cape for then it to be quite dark. 196 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:56,039 And you know the blood month, you know, yeah, you always 197 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,720 call it the blood months? Now, do you know what I think? 198 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:07,440 Bring it back to say that I say that not I feel like I know 199 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:11,559 that's why it's called it. If it isn't and there we are promoting it, 200 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:17,119 then an apology message out. We retract their statement we did not believe 201 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:22,240 what we were saying that all because I've never heard that. Did you say 202 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:27,680 it was a northern pagan thing? It was Anglo Saxon, Anglo Saxon. 203 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:33,759 Okay, yes, blood monk, that would be interesting. But it's got 204 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:40,920 lots of different names and it only become all hallows Eve Christian. It's when 205 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,400 the Christians then applied it and that's when it becomes all hallows Eve. So 206 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,640 then we look at like the traditions that we have today and how those could 207 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:56,799 have progressed through time because we can and we see how it almost shape shifts 208 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:02,160 really name wise, and how it applies to different belief systems or within that 209 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,359 community, how it's relevant to them. But there is lots of things that 210 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:10,400 remain the same. So customs that we have today, you can see where 211 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,759 the origins have come from, although it probably isn't the same now exactly the 212 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:18,039 same. You can see where the origins come from. Like, for example, 213 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:26,119 we do pumpkin pumpkins now and it's probably common knowledge while we do pumpkins, 214 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,319 and it might not be for some. So I've always believed that depending 215 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:37,920 on what you carve into your pumpkin, what you carve into your pumpkin depends 216 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,000 on who you want to attract or who you want to repel from your home. 217 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,680 So if you put a scary face on it, then you're trying to 218 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,400 ward off evil spirits. And if you put a happy face in it, 219 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,559 then you're trying to bring in positive vibes and good energy. And one thing 220 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:59,640 I haven't mentioned, which is fundamental to it all, is Halloween, or 221 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:04,440 is the thinning of the vowel. So it's the the time where the spirit 222 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:11,359 world and the earthplane, the earth weld, has its highest connection. And 223 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:17,039 again that's all what that is observed throughout when you think when you with the 224 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:22,799 All Hallows Eve, they believe it's the closest that you become to that other 225 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:30,400 other world. So when they do these pumpkins with scary faces in, they're 226 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,039 trying to scare away from the wandering spirits that might be wishing ill harm on 227 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,720 their house. But then obviously the happy face you want to bring happiness and 228 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,960 good vibes and good spirits in. But that didn't start as pumpkins. It 229 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:52,039 actually started off as turnips. Turn it to be able to do it car 230 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:59,119 turn it, It's like, yes, I know, did they actually cart 231 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:06,160 turnips? Yes? The cars? Yeah, that The Celtic tradition is that 232 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,039 they were calf turns. And I could only liken that to like trying to 233 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:15,799 cut up a sweep tatoe, which is a feet within itself. Did they 234 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:18,680 put the lights in them as well? Or did they Were they just carving 235 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:21,720 faces on it? Were they actually carving them like we carve a pumpkin to 236 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:26,039 put a light in it. Yes, that's impressive if that is the case, 237 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,160 Yeah it is. But yeah, so that's that's where the tradition comes 238 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:37,559 from. So it's something that we've always kept for as long as time has 239 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,160 gone on. But from my understanding for what I've learned is that it depends 240 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,920 on what kind of So when you see a pumpkin that's got the uggy boogie 241 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:55,200 man in it like mine, the very conflicted, very confusing for spirits because 242 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,480 people get a lot more inventive now and what they carve into their pumpkins. 243 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:04,119 I saw the other day someone halved in the the photo of the or the 244 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:10,400 promo for Practical Magic in the front of the pumpkin. Oh wow, yeah, 245 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,839 you get some real creative ones. Now you're thinking, like, I 246 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,759 don't like the smell of raw pumpkin. So to stand in front of a 247 00:21:17,839 --> 00:21:21,799 pumpkin for that long to get like some of the things that people manage to 248 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,720 carve into it, it's just like impressive, kuldst. Anyone that can stand 249 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:32,279 near a raal pumpkin for that long. Honestly, I would even go as 250 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:34,640 far as saying, if anyone wants to send in their pictures of pumpkins for 251 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:37,440 me and Nally to have a look at, we would love that. I 252 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,079 think it's I think it's so some people are so artistic and then they look 253 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,599 it boggles the brain a little bit. It's very impressive. It's like you 254 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,319 do see something that they're like, say, they're like works of art, 255 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,240 and they last for like what they're a week or so, and then they're 256 00:21:56,319 --> 00:22:00,640 just I think I'd cry if that was me, if I spend that much 257 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:06,160 time doing something that beautiful and then just mind do I suppose that is perfect 258 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Halloween symbology. Yeah, you know, you've got the life and then it's 259 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:11,559 caving in on itself. So I suppose in a weird kind of way, 260 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:18,279 that would actually be ritualistically, probably more in keeping with the spirit of Halloween 261 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:25,880 than a lot of other things. And there's lots of parts of the pumpkin 262 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,599 that you can look at you so, for magic's sake, pumpkin seeds are 263 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,799 really good for any kind of spells. You say, no, I take 264 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,759 that back. Pumpkin seeds are good for spell work, not any spell work. 265 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:42,319 They're really good for spell work. Though. I have a friend who 266 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:48,759 absolutely adores roast pumpkin seeds in honey and she loves eating them. And also 267 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:53,799 I've seen a lot of people when they talk about the one thing I don't 268 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,559 necessarily agree with, and I're going a bit off topic a little bit, 269 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,119 is I think how many pumpkins are grown, manufactured, carved into and then 270 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:10,759 nothing happens with them a year at Halloween when you think of food waste. 271 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:15,319 Oh yeah, that's true. That's the only thing. So I would say, 272 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:18,880 if anyone does have a pumpkin, then taking them out to the woods, 273 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,559 and as long as there's nothing in there that could be poisonous or harmful 274 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:30,680 to any wildlife, then squirrels and stuff love eating them. Another thing that 275 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,079 I have seen people do, which I think is quite nice, is once 276 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,440 they're finished with their pumpkins, they're letting their young people write a wish on 277 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,720 a piece of paper and they're putting it in the pumpkin and then burying the 278 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:48,400 pumpkin, which essentially depending on obviously making sure the papers can bury, it 279 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,880 would be great, but you know, it's replenishing the earth, and it's 280 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:57,680 the nutrients and stuff coming from that. So there's lots of positive ways of 281 00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:04,400 being able to dispose of pumpkins these days rather than just caving. So that's 282 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:10,440 like me on the night out starts looking wo chs kiss and then by the 283 00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:19,799 end my lashes all up there my face. I should never go out together, 284 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:22,000 and like look in the mirror when I come home and like, I've 285 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:26,640 got the pumpkin analogy in my head now. It's like you look like an 286 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:33,839 old Halloween pumpkin. It's like make smearing and the candle's bin your hair and 287 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:41,920 exactly exactly it is make here And yeah, the amount of times have come 288 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,119 home and I've got fake lashes on and they're like half hanging off. It's 289 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,599 like stuck to one corner. All the rest is just there living its best 290 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,279 life, ra dog in life. Just so yeah, I'm like, this 291 00:24:53,440 --> 00:25:00,359 is not a vibe. How do I not notice this? That's like when 292 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,240 I was younger, I was like a demigoth, and it's like you go 293 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,559 out in your eyeline and be beautiful, and you come back and you look 294 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,359 like something out of the ring. It's like because everything's just dropped down your 295 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,200 face and you're like, oh my god, I've been going around thinking I 296 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:18,720 look really lovely and I've got black things all over my face and it's all 297 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:26,640 it's all fell down my face and look awfever used the conkave? Was it 298 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,759 concave? That's not the right word, is it. The pumpkin starts imploding 299 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:38,400 on itself. It's not concave. It's sort of it goes concave. I 300 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,000 don't know what the weird do you know what? I know? Implode? 301 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:47,799 No, that's not really that. I don't know. It's made concave up. 302 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,640 Okay, I know what you mean. My brain's gone dead. I'm 303 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,920 normally really good with big weeds. It's like I'm a really weirdy person. 304 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,640 But my brain's like, yeah, I've got the weirds in. There's some 305 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,480 I might dig it out in about three hours time, you know. It's 306 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:04,839 like, yeah, it's a bit late now, Well I did it back 307 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,119 in again later. It's all we could do is just record that one word 308 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,400 and then ask Andy just to put it over the top whenever we say it, 309 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:22,400 some beeping things out. We're adding a little weirdiness. Yeah. So 310 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,480 one of the things we spoke about before as well. If you come across 311 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:30,519 some really interesting superstitions. I really am interested actually just talk about I mean, 312 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,599 yeah, let's talk about the love stuff, because a lot of one 313 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:37,599 of the things when you do with Halloween. There's lots of different ways that 314 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:45,319 you can use the energy of Halloween, some of its ancestry stuff, so 315 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,839 honoring our ancestors and being able to communicate with them. Some people just you 316 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,400 know, light a candle and just honor them that way. Other people do 317 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:59,839 meditations. It's a great time of releasing anything that doesn't serve you anymore. 318 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,359 And it is essentially the witch's New Year, So anything that you would do 319 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,799 for Ni Year's Eve in terms of resolutions is a great time to do it, 320 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,279 but just you know, with the magical touch of witchcraft. So those 321 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:17,119 are the kind of things that people do do. But there's some loved ones 322 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,319 that you've come across, isn't it. Yeah. I was looking up Halloween 323 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,759 superstitions and they seem to fall into like about four categories. You've got your 324 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:32,720 ancestral ghost thing, and you've got your evil spirits thing, your witch's thing, 325 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,839 and then divination for your future spouse. Just like let's just throw it 326 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,839 into the mix. We're thinking about death and the other side, and oh 327 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,680 yeah, you know, if you want to know your future husband, you 328 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,680 can do these really strange sort of slightly one of them is actually a little 329 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,759 bit creepy. There was one I found it was like you take a candle 330 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:59,680 into a dark room on Halloween and you look into a mirror while eating an 331 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,720 apple that you've sliced into pieces, and when you get to the last piece, 332 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,880 your future husband will appear behind you, asking for that last piece of 333 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,000 apple. And I'm like, if I'm in a dark room with a candle 334 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:15,839 looking into a somebody comes over my shoulder and takes my last piece of apple, 335 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,519 I'm not sure I want to marry them, because it's like it's like, 336 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,200 you know, it's like, what are you doing in my room here 337 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,920 all the time, or what it's like. Yeah, I found that one 338 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,400 a little bit strange, to be fair. But there was quite a few 339 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:41,000 about sort of predicting future spouses future spouses, I mean in Scotland as well. 340 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,279 Apparently single women would put hazel nuts next to the fire grate and each 341 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,960 hazel nut was represent a potential suitor, and then wait to see which one 342 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,480 blew up and the one that pott was the person that they would marry, 343 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,079 and they'd say a little there was a little one of them that these aren't 344 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,960 these are good golled so they're not, you know, corroborated, like with 345 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,720 history, so if it's if it's wrong, it's just amusing. But there 346 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,079 was a little rhyme they said, which I thought was again a little bit 347 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,759 mean, but it's like, if you hate me, burn and die, 348 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,240 if you love me, pop and fly. So whichever hazel not pupped was 349 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:22,759 the was the person that they were going to marry, apparently. And there 350 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,000 was another good one that I quite liked as well. But I feel a 351 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:32,160 little bit bad about the snail because you're supposed to catch a snail on Halloween 352 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:36,000 night, lock it into a dish so it can't climb out, and then 353 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:42,279 in the morning if the snail slime will have written the letter the first letter 354 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:47,559 of your sweetheart's name in the dish and slime. But I'm like, this 355 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,440 is like Gothic carn Over. It's like, this is so Gothic, you 356 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:53,000 know, if you're sort of like, let's predict your future husband. You 357 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,519 know, in the summer, everyone's using daisies it's like a Halloween. We're 358 00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:03,119 gonna use snail slide hazel or not and candles in dark rooms. It's just 359 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:14,519 like it does give. All I'm hearing is that Labyrinth song slam and snails. 360 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,799 Oh yeah, yeah, I used slim and snalls. You've watched labynth, 361 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,599 haven't you? I have. I'm just trying to think which bit of 362 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,319 it that film terrified me when I was younger. I couldn't watch it until 363 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:33,960 I was about without being scared. Until I was about thirty. It's terrified 364 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,480 me. I don't know why I saw it, and I wasn't even that 365 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,039 young. I think I was about nine or ten. But there was something 366 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:45,279 about that film that's I mean, I love it now, but the little 367 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:52,160 what was it the hands in the ubliette thing, Yeah, I don't know. 368 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,680 So, yes, my brain sort of is still a little traumatized about 369 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,400 it. So it's like you have to remind me which dark dance, magic 370 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,400 dance, that one with the baby right where is? Yeah? Yeah, 371 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,440 downstairs and things in them? Yeah? But yeah, no, I mean, 372 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,359 well, there is so much to unpick from all of that. I 373 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:23,079 think, I mean that I'm interested in the so with the apple apple is 374 00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:30,839 supposed to be quite it's a magical tool. If you were to cut an 375 00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:37,960 apple in half, the sieves kind of it's a five pointed star. So 376 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:42,880 a lot in a lot of spell work, apples are used. So and 377 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,480 that's always been the same, So obviously that's something that's kind of I didn't 378 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,799 know that because a lot of the prediction ones actually use apples, because I 379 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,279 was going to ask you about that, obviously being more interested in witchcraft. 380 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,119 Because there was another one that if you get an apple or and you peel 381 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:08,119 it into along the apple peel into a long string brains just around, you 382 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,759 know, if you peel it into a long bit of peel and then you 383 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,039 took it over your shoulder apparently or something, and then the if it makes 384 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,960 the letter that's the letter of your future spouse. And I think that apple 385 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,640 has to be to be able to chuck the pill. I think there's there's 386 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,759 a lot of spouses with C and s, you know, because I was 387 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,440 thinking, well, how would you you know, you wouldn't be able to 388 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,759 get so many letters out of it. So I was just thinking they must 389 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,160 they must all have had like the same five names or something for it to 390 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,759 work properly, yeah, because you're not saying you're going to have an Aaron 391 00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:45,799 or an Amy. No, a lot of like the complicated letters. So 392 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:52,119 you'd have like a C N S spot you maybe. Yeah, Like if 393 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,079 you weren't very good at peeling, it's like mine would be a very short 394 00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,599 one. This would just be like a two inch long stick. So it 395 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,920 must be like cooking apples. You probably have to do this with cooking apples 396 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,279 because like we're little, I can't imagine you've every much of a pill. 397 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:15,839 But so with any So, apples are linked to love spells, okay, 398 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:24,599 Yeah, and then the seeds from apples are used in spells as well because 399 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:30,119 of obviously the growth aspects of it. But there is it's favored because obviously 400 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,319 when you cut an apple in half, yeah, you have the five pointed 401 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,519 star in the middle. But even when I was a kid, I remember, 402 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,680 like you used to have the hold the stem. I'm showing you anyone 403 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:47,680 can, but you'd hold the stem and you would turn the apple and your 404 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:52,640 return you'd say a letter. So and then whatever letter the stem broke off 405 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,000 on would be the person that would be your your true love or who you 406 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:00,519 would marry or and I was I remember, I mean, yeah, I'm 407 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,359 going to be a five and doing some Yeah, I was gonna say, 408 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,360 I think I might get like four apples. Is it tomorrow is yes, 409 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,280 yes, tomorrow night it's I might get four apples. It just sort of 410 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,159 like, try all the different ones to see what I can walk with. 411 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:22,920 Please do if you can even better, it might spell out at what are 412 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:34,000 you doing w T F yes, I knowing the spirits in my eyes wouldn't 413 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,920 surprise me in the slightest if I got that. Instead, it was like, 414 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:47,079 hello, yeah, actually I can understand that I did uh baseline sweep 415 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:52,880 once in my house before we've done an investigation, and I think I've told 416 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,800 you this already. I might begin dajav but I don't know baseline sweep in 417 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,639 where I lived. I've lived here for a long time and I'd done it 418 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,880 about five years in and I was just like, hello, it is anyone 419 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,480 there? Would anyone like to communicate? Kind of it wasn't. I wasn't 420 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:14,480 doing anything. I wasn't doing anything with the equipment. I was just doing 421 00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:16,880 like a and I was using the spirit box at the time, so checking 422 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,920 that the speaker was okay, you can checking that. Everything was charged just 423 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,519 having to look and I literally five seconds of me doing that, and I 424 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,719 had in this man's voice as clear as day telling me to f off. 425 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:35,000 Based why he said it as well. It was like hello, you know 426 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,880 what I mean? And I was like, how long have you been wanting 427 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,480 to say that to me? I was like it was your time to shine 428 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:49,599 and you took it by both hands, like yes, finally it's time to 429 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:54,960 tell her. The first ever went under was like about three swear words come 430 00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:00,719 through, and I was like, I didn't love to do that because he 431 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,320 didn't just say that. Everyone just looked at me and I was like, 432 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,760 okay, maybe I'm making it up, but I'm certainly he's just sworn that. 433 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:14,000 It's in at least three different ways. It's like a paranormal like Dinner 434 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:22,159 Lady, where you could just go and tell to govern it. It was 435 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,239 just like, I mean, of course it supposed to them being people, 436 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,599 there's no reason why they wouldn't swear at you, but it was it was 437 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:35,559 just like so innocuous because like you're like always anybody there, it's like you're 438 00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:39,760 just like, okay, that was a night that was Yeah, it was 439 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,559 quite interesting. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, to be fair, 440 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,960 I don't think it's been a lot of time since. Well, it's been 441 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,679 a lot of time, sister. On the gross, I went on one 442 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,280 recently and I had a really not so great experience. It wasn't anything to 443 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:59,239 do with the paranormal. It just was like a series of unfortunate events just 444 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,280 did not deem the night in great favor. But yeah, it's been a 445 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,719 long time since I've been investigating. But it's been a long time since I've 446 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:12,320 been an investigation. And there's been swearing from spirit. I haven't had that 447 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,280 for a long time. But then I suppose if think about it, these 448 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,039 locations are so overly investigated, they probably are at their wits ends. They 449 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,159 just get It's like, oh god, it's another yeah, because it's like 450 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,760 obviously, you know, you get some places like soldiers and stuff. I 451 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,400 mean, they swear a lot anyway, So I suppose it does kind of 452 00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:39,360 make sense. Really, they would occasionally get annoyed, And to be fair, 453 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,159 I can have as busy are maybe once a month. I'm happy. 454 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,199 If someone was to turn up one day and the come back the next day, 455 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:54,960 I would not be impressed. The same questions. It's like serious because 456 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,679 that's where I was like, you know we went, remember where we went? 457 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,360 And I was just like they must get say bored of, like is 458 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,760 there anybody there? What is your name? When did you die? And 459 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:14,039 it's like start robbing it in that I'm dead with your something else? Anything? 460 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,760 You know? What year is it? I don't care of a spirit. 461 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:23,880 There's no time yet. Time is a social construct. Yeah, maybe 462 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,599 there'd be a lot more interaction and a lot more evidence if we weren't asking 463 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:36,800 bring something new, be original as the colourers. Actually that's an interesting one 464 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,079 because everyone sort dreads what do you want to ask in then? And I 465 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:45,039 was like, I don't know. It's like, well, your favorite color 466 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:49,800 is a good start. It's like, you know, what's the favorite thing? 467 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,360 What is the last thing you ever ate? And are you happy that 468 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,679 was that? And if you could change it, what would it be? 469 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,199 Yeah, maybe we would have a little bit more interaction and know what, 470 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,840 unless you ask me something else, something different, I'm not talking no more 471 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,519 because you're not listening. No one's listening to me. I do wonder if 472 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,360 that's why, because you know, I don't know if you get the same 473 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,480 thing at locations is like there'll be nothing and then all of a sudden you're 474 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,679 like this storry of activity and they'll have interaction and they'll just disappear and you 475 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,800 can tell they've gone. And it was like because there's no energy, and 476 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,079 I'm thinking, well, maybe they've turned up, hoping that somebody would ask 477 00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:28,679 some something different for a change, and they're like, oh, for God's 478 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,719 sake, let's go back next door. They were just using the table in 479 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,719 there. Let's make that dance. It's like born there, Let's go somewhere 480 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,320 else. Yeah, no, I might try that. I have to see 481 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,159 if with some different different questions and see what happens next time I go on 482 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,119 more. I think it would make it a little bit more interesting for us 483 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:54,760 as well. And also I know we've digressed massively. This is meant to 484 00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:01,480 be, but I run out of things ask as well, like yeah, 485 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,800 you know, oh you have some name. You're like, oh you know, 486 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,159 how you know? How old are you? How many there is? 487 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,719 How many is there of you? How many is there of us? You 488 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,719 know? How did you die? Or are you here for someone you know? 489 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,079 Or are you here you know? Are you connected to land? And 490 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:22,199 then after a while, it's like, so what else is you know? 491 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:27,840 And one of my friends once told me there was somebody following me around in 492 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,079 a flat. He was wearing slippers and he's got a mug. And I 493 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,480 was like, I'm not freaked out way because he's very slippers and he's got 494 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,119 a mug, so you know, unless he's planning and bashing me over the 495 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,039 head with it. And she was like, oh, he's a spirit guide. 496 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:45,360 He's just adopting that form to sort of like say that he doesn't freak 497 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,920 you out. And I was like, well, having an invisible person following 498 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,679 you around freak me out in my own home anyway a little bit. But 499 00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:54,199 I was just like, can you ask him does he ever visit or the 500 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,880 spirit guides? And do they all sit around the table and or like drink 501 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,559 tea and talk about like their respective charges and what kind of rubbish day they've 502 00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:06,039 had? I said, does he ever go and visit spirit guide friends? 503 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,400 Has he got any friends? I was like, is this spirit guide? 504 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,840 I was like, yeah, But there's a lot of spirit guides, isn't 505 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,639 there. I mean, where did they go? Are they with me all 506 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,360 the time or do they just you know, wait, for the back signal 507 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,159 to go off and they're like, oh God, we better go and help 508 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,039 her out again. You know, it's like she just looked at me and 509 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,400 I was like, I want to know these things. Do they have tea 510 00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:29,960 parties they celebrate their bday? You know? It's like, do they have 511 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,920 spirit guide friends that they go and visit when they're feeling a bit down about 512 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,239 the people that they won't do as they're told in the real wheel. So 513 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,400 yeah, she thought I was a bit mad. Meetings where they go, 514 00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:46,239 right, I have this case and I've tried doing this with them and it's 515 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,679 not worked. And then the other ones go, well have you tried doing 516 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,679 this? Like, oh, I I'll go back have at the same time 517 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,360 next month. Everyone see you there. And then they come back, all 518 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,159 of them bring their little case loads. I reckon, they must have debriefing 519 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,079 and they must go to spirit guide school to learn some new techniques because they're 520 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:07,920 like, this one is just I cannot get through to it. She's so 521 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:13,559 stubborn. It's like she knows, how do I have anybody got any ideas? 522 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:16,440 It's like, yeah, no, but those are questions I asked, 523 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,960 and at that point in time, perhaps she didn't want to interact with it 524 00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,960 anymore than she'd just seen it, because she only came around to see if 525 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:29,159 my house was aunted. She was like, I'm not prepared for this conversation, 526 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,719 and I was like, I want to know. I never did find 527 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,599 the answer, because he disappeared after that, so he's probably, oh my 528 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:44,519 god, she's onto it gave him away, so a looked quite quick get 529 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:51,760 away. I think with like spirit guides and stuff and what I've what I've 530 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,880 learned, what I've learned. And again I say what I've learned because I'm 531 00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,280 really careful because everyone's got their own interpretation of their experiences and what they make 532 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:07,000 sense. But what I've learned is that we are we are. We go 533 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,239 through life and we learn lessons, and as we learn our lessons, we 534 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,280 progress. If we don't learn, then we come back and we learn the 535 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,320 same lessons again but in a different way. And you actually see that throughout 536 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,679 life. So if you've got this one person that goes through the same thing 537 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,960 over and over again, it's usually because they've not learned the lesson the first 538 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,000 time. They find themselves back in a situation where they learn it again, 539 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,159 and then they progress. As they learn, they progress and they then then 540 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,039 become the guide. So I think if that is the case, then they 541 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:40,199 should have a big backlog of previous experience to go by. You must have 542 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:46,000 to be a really unique case then break them. They need to have like 543 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:53,159 a meeting to just gather themselves. Surprised my case at all if they have 544 00:43:53,400 --> 00:44:00,079 regular meetings, simple yeah, yeah, because I've never see I haven't seen 545 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:05,480 anyone like that since I think they're collaborating now, it's not just one. 546 00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:08,679 I think there's quite a few. I think I'm one that I've gone up 547 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:22,159 to the special. Yes, apparently on Halloween it's quite a good time to 548 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:29,159 ask spirits for advice. To come back around to the subjective Halloween, but 549 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:35,920 mainly the advice. Actually it's a slight downer on the vibe a little bit. 550 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,519 But in Wales they used to write their names on white stones and throw 551 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,639 them in the fire and the Halloween fire, and then the next morning, 552 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,519 if the stone wasn't there, they wouldn't make it to the next Halloween. 553 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,400 So it's like, I was just like, would you really want to know? 554 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:05,880 It's like you, we want to know if you can believe us or 555 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:12,000 not. So we can be there, but there is a lot of Again, 556 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:19,199 so with Halloween, there is a real undertone of death throughout anyway. 557 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:24,519 And I think again it goes back to what it's that facing their own morality, 558 00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:28,000 the fact that they've got all this going on in front of them. 559 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,679 And again I've gone back to it what I've said before, praying to make 560 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:36,599 it through to spring. So I think it's the not knowing and finding ways 561 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:38,800 to be able to get one step ahead if something bad is going to happen 562 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:45,719 that they know. And a lot of the darker traditions of Halloween, a 563 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,519 lot of the ones that are linked to death, is to try and be 564 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:55,360 what one step ahead, whether it's going to happen or not. But yeah, 565 00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,239 there is some really Petunia. So let's talk about traditions that we get 566 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,559 young people to do. Which isn't the white start, the name on the 567 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:14,760 stone? And do you know what we should bring that back? I cannot? 568 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,840 Do you know why I will say I cannot. I've watched too many 569 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:22,280 films, Like there was a film a little while ago called count Countdown I 570 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,639 think it was called, and it was about this app that you could download 571 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,599 and it will literally tell you how many days you've got left? Around many 572 00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,400 hours you've got left? Have you seen it? Now? I've not heard 573 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,679 of that one. I'm not sure for me to know that, I just 574 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,000 don't want to know. But basically I'm sure it's called countdown On. It 575 00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:44,719 was on Netflix a little while ago. I was watching it, and there's 576 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,960 lots of films. Again, this fascination of knowing when it's going to happen 577 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,280 isn't a new thing at all. It's actually something that has been around for 578 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:59,800 as old as time. But one thing that has also been around is dressing 579 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:07,599 up up in in in costumes and stuff. And I saw a post today 580 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,760 talking about how this one person could not get ahead around trick or treating, 581 00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:17,239 how it's just a form of begging, and how we spend all year telling 582 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:22,519 young people not to take sweeks off for strangers, and then we just dressed 583 00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,280 them up and send them to strangers' doors, and it's they're like begging for 584 00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:31,159 sweeks and there's lots of I was trying to get my head up. It 585 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,440 was from that post actually that made me kind of go away and think about 586 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:43,679 it a little bit more so with dressing up, it's something that people would 587 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:53,840 do. One to disguise themselves as spirits and monsters so that the walking spirits 588 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,159 wouldn't know that they were living, so they wouldn't affect them in any way. 589 00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:02,760 And then the other one was the adults, and this is in Ireland 590 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,840 as well. Yeah, I think it's an Ireland where the adults address themselves 591 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:15,960 as spirits so that the fae wouldn't take them, which I know at my 592 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:20,760 rap ole days we don't mess with the faie. Yeah, so I can 593 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,079 understand, I could I could see, I could see myself doing that for 594 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:30,559 that reason, to be fair, But there is this other, like sociological 595 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:37,119 aspect of it. This is something that's been going on pre Christian era, 596 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:45,000 where people would dress up and they would go and the way that it was 597 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:52,480 portrayed is like a redisposition redistribution of wealth. So no matter where or what 598 00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,960 era you're in, they've always got poor and you've got those that aren't poor. 599 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,639 You know, you've always got that economic divide. And again, this 600 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,440 is the time of year where the harvest has come in, there's plenty of 601 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,679 food to go around. However, that's not how it's always dished out. 602 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:15,360 So what they would do was they would in lieu of receiving food and treats, 603 00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:22,840 they would dress up or they would perform, or they would you know, 604 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,960 they would sing, or they would tell a joke. And if you 605 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,199 look, that starts a Halloween. But that doesn't finish there, because we 606 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,840 do it at Christmas as well, and it was a way of those that 607 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:38,440 didn't have very much to be able to be included in that by performing for 608 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:44,039 those that did have it to spare. And then there was this redisposition re 609 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:52,519 distribution of this abundance. That's not why we do it now, we do 610 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:59,119 it now. And also there was also when during the harvest we would leave 611 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:07,559 food on the doorstep for ancestors. And again that's not just what you see 612 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:14,440 during Selwyn or Halloween. We see that at the festival of their death first 613 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:20,840 of all dead, and we see it in Chinese and Japanese cultures as well. 614 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:27,159 So it's something that you know, we we've always done. So yeah, 615 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:34,880 we now just have people that are dressing in because that's the thing I 616 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,679 always find it really stranger about Halloween. It's like it's all about aside from 617 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,480 the divination of your future spouses, it's all about death. And yet we 618 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:49,199 engage the children in it. And I've always found it a little bit unless 619 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,119 they, like you say, the idea was to disguise the children so they 620 00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:59,639 didn't get they didn't attract the ill fortune, you know, sort of like 621 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:06,320 because it sort of seems I've always I've always been a little bit conflicted about 622 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,679 the idea, like you say that the trick or treat thing, because it 623 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,360 is it is actually quite threatening if you think about it at its core. 624 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,760 I mean, I know it's not taken in that vein now because it's like, 625 00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:20,280 oh, yeah, you're just you know, we're going to give you 626 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,360 seats because we don't want the trick. But it's like, but then I 627 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,199 suppose, like you say, if they were afraid of what might happen, 628 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,960 and the fact that spirits and evil spirits and things like that walking, if 629 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,360 the children are dressed up like that, then they can't come to harm in 630 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,519 the same way. So I suppose they have to behave a little bit yeah, 631 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,719 you know, sort of like not devilish, but you know this sort 632 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,719 of like you know that sort of I could go one way or the others 633 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,519 in order to disguise them. So I wonder if that there is some subconscious 634 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,519 thing and play there maybe I agree. I agree. And also if you 635 00:51:54,599 --> 00:52:04,639 actually look at the costumes from then, they are yeah, yes, I 636 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,880 mean now you've got you know, a sexy cat or you know, a 637 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,599 devil in some hot pants and push up ra Whereas then they look like someone 638 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:19,840 had removed the face of another person and then put it on and they were 639 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,800 just like you like, wearing it as a I don't know, it was 640 00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:27,639 so weird. It's so they're so weird and peculiar. And even then when 641 00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:32,719 you look at the Easter bunny like photos, oh god, yeah, yes, 642 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,119 there's two shots, the one with the two kids sitting on the eastern 643 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:44,360 bunnies like insidious or something, I don't know, and it's just like, 644 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,639 yeah, I can't see that image since I saw that this year. It's 645 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,719 just like I'm like, that's Halloween all year round. That it's just sort 646 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:58,079 of like, yeah, yeah, because thedn't they have them, you know 647 00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:02,400 with the trick or treat things they used to allow the kids to run a 648 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,280 bit riot didn't they In some areas? I think I think they were allowed 649 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,039 to knock on doors and run away and stuff, you know, do that 650 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:14,880 classic one. I think they did the trick. I think the trick, 651 00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:20,119 I think, yeah, I think they would do tricks. I'm not too 652 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:23,199 sure about the running away. I think the idea was for them to be 653 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:30,760 able to get goodies, and then obviously that was more like driven by the 654 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,159 fact that they didn't want to treat. And I suppose I don't know what. 655 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,559 I haven't come across of what treat the tricks used to be. Sorry, 656 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,239 I haven't come across what they something I read last night where I think 657 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,280 it was a Scottish one where they had the turnip lanterns and the sort of 658 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,079 like lads were allowed to run riot a little bit on the Halloween night and 659 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,519 they used to knock on doors and run away and stuff. But there wasn't 660 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:57,239 any more to the superstition, so I couldn't really look into sort of like 661 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,960 what the point was unless it was, like you say, been making the 662 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:05,599 dead knocking on the doors and not being their typling just to everyone. Now 663 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:13,760 it's hard to tell when you research via Google. But I was not going 664 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,639 to go into the scholarly because I was ten years for that. But yes, 665 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,960 I know it was a little bit of a random one, but Yeah, 666 00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:27,559 it just I just thought it was funny because I say that you could 667 00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:30,639 understand sort of like the adults a little bit. But I've always found it 668 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:35,400 a bit odd that we may unless that is where the americanized thing comes in, 669 00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,960 where it's about the kids. You know, it's treated as a holiday, 670 00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:46,719 not as a slightly more serious festival of the dead. It's it's actually 671 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:52,159 a day of the kids and candy. You know, when the symbolism has 672 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:57,679 gotten hidden a little, Well, it's there, but the symbolism of it's 673 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,559 become sort of divorced from the originally tench I don't know. I puts it 674 00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:07,599 every year, to be fair, its strength. One of the things that 675 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:12,639 it has kept is it's always been performative. There's always been an element of 676 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,719 That's one thing that's remained I think even I mean, I've had a few 677 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:22,159 conversations about Halloween over the last couple of weeks, and actually telling someone that 678 00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:29,679 it's actually a Celtic festival, not an American festival is often one that people 679 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:35,800 are like really like, yeah, absolutely it is. But I think the 680 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:43,760 way it's presented is I think it's less about the significance. It's less about 681 00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:52,440 what it truly represents and what it has and more about the from what we 682 00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:54,639 see. What I'm trying to say is the version that we are exposed to 683 00:55:55,199 --> 00:56:02,960 through different means of media isn't the extent of what it truly means. It 684 00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:12,599 is about trick or treating. It's about overeating overindulging. It's about being able 685 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,400 to dress up and you know, and go to such extremes. Now when 686 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,760 you look at the extents of people go through modification and the pumpkins, it's 687 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:28,920 not about warding off spirits and bringing prosperity. It's about who's as who could 688 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,679 be the most creative and artistic. So it is, it has moved away 689 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,719 massively. But I think what I like about it all is it still exists. 690 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,320 Though within that narrative it still exists. So all these traditions that have 691 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,559 been trying to that have been stomped out, that are you know, not 692 00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:54,760 wigdhing as being significant till holidays or that holiday. Should I say that festival 693 00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,239 is still like the bare bones of it, it's still so so real and 694 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:07,199 so apparent. Yeah, it's almost like there's a genetic memory of it that 695 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:12,519 is still and the undercurrent I suppose is a little more obvious at Halloween than 696 00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:15,519 other times of year, that that sort of you know, because you know, 697 00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,880 you go, oh yeah, it's all about trick or choosing and candy. 698 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,960 But actually you are always a little bit scared on Halloween night because you 699 00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:28,320 never quite know, and there is that slight on the current of you know, 700 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:34,159 a fear there, I suppose, and you're known it does. And 701 00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:36,679 I think as well with some of the superstitions. I know that one of 702 00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:43,280 the superstitions that we spoke about earlier was talking about running around backwards from your 703 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,679 house around your house. Oh yeah, yeah. I was like, I'd 704 00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:51,320 have trouble with that because I'm in a quarterhouse, so I can only walk 705 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:58,559 backwards at the front of it. But if you walk counter clockwise three times 706 00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:01,800 backwards around your house before sunset on Halloween, it protects it from evil spirits. 707 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,840 Which is really interesting because if you for example, and again this is 708 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,920 like where do these come from? Where do these origins of these superstitions come 709 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:20,119 from? If, for example, near me, there's a church in Canudan. 710 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,920 Canudon is in Essex, and it's meant to be. It's got a 711 00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:30,239 steep history in occultism and witchcraft, and in particular, there is a church 712 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:35,039 in Canudan that is alleged to have a lady that he's been buried there who's 713 00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:39,519 a witch and to again, you know when you do Bloody Mary and you 714 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,079 you know you say these names three times in this particular time, you have 715 00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:47,440 to run around the church three times calling her name, and then she'll make 716 00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:53,760 herself known to you. So again these suppositions they leak and they and again 717 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,480 you're supposed to do that, and all hallowes they meant to do it on 718 00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:02,679 Halloween as well. So do you run forwards three times around the church? 719 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,599 You call up the witch. So if you were going backwards three times around 720 00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:10,440 the church, you almost like anti spelling it in a weird kind of way. 721 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,039 Is that do you think where it might possibly come from? It's like 722 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:23,639 a counter counter spell. Possibly possibly, I would be like try running three 723 00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:37,679 times around the church then absolutely not absolutely, like yeah no, even that, 724 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:46,840 I don't know. Absolutely. I love going on investigations. I love 725 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,559 investigations, but I also am very aware there's something you just don't do, 726 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,679 just you don't miss with some things. Just like literally there's no reason to 727 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,559 we don't need to know certain things, like it's good to have suposition. 728 01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,920 It's like, you know, it's a really, really, really bad analogy, 729 01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:09,199 But I don't need to see Santa Claus to know that Christmas is a 730 01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:14,159 real thing, you know, and everything this about, Like I can enjoy 731 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:19,320 Christmas, you know, for what it is in terms of center without actually 732 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:25,320 seeing real center. So I can appreciate the church and everything that comes with 733 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:31,880 it without being in the presence of such energy, I guess. But yeah, 734 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,159 and that is a really fascinating I go off on a tangum that church 735 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:43,159 is a really fascinating church with lots of fascinating people linked to it as well 736 01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:47,840 in terms of witchcraft and the area as well. Canudan is such a really 737 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,719 beautiful place, but it's really linked to a lot of Colism and witchcraft and 738 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,400 fascinating. But that's what that reminded me of, because again, it's like, 739 01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,360 where do these superstitions come from. I know that we've spoken about before 740 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:07,039 when we talk about the witchcraft trials and how people used to lure witches to 741 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:10,599 be able to break hexes. They would create witches bottles for them to make 742 01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:14,840 the witch so uncomfortable to be able to bring the witch to them so they 743 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,840 can barter, or there was an exchange of blood. I don't exactly, 744 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,719 I just know that there needs to be like an element of blood to be 745 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:28,559 able to break it in accordance to this theory. So essentially they're the people 746 01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:35,159 that are trying to condemn witchcraft. Is partaking in witchcraft. Yeah, the 747 01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:40,440 irony, but you can see where elements of some things are taken and then 748 01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:45,880 using others. And that's what I was thinking about. Yeah, have you 749 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:51,320 got any other any other superstitions that are jumping out for you before I share 750 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:59,840 my last tipbit, I've got a couple too little. Well we got around. 751 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:06,199 I was going to say, I'm aware of the time there was a 752 01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:09,119 couple that I thought was a bit strange, And there was one like you 753 01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:17,360 know how everyone's most of Halloween is about not seeing witches and witchcraft and evil 754 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:22,000 spirits and things. And there was one where if you wear your clothing inside 755 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,480 out and walk backwards on Halloween, you will see a witch at midnight. 756 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,719 And like you say, with the origins of it, I'm like, I'm 757 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,639 not entirely sure if everyone's so frightened of witches a y would you want to 758 01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:40,039 see one? And why would that specific combination of you know, wearing clothes 759 01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:44,840 inside out things come from or are you just sort of like freaking the witch 760 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,639 out that much they have to go and have a look and see what's going 761 01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:55,079 on. Yeah, yeah, you know. And but then you say, 762 01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:59,559 you've got the walking backwards thing in it, So I mean, you know, 763 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:05,519 like say, is it a counter the counter thing because you've got walking 764 01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:08,039 backards around your house to protect it from evil spirits, but you've got walking 765 01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:15,000 back with them to sea witch. So it's which you know, obviously you 766 01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:19,519 know, are culturally seen as being bad, although you know obviously it's not 767 01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,920 that cool and dry. But yeah, there's Oh and there was another one 768 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:28,039 I found was quite interesting. I'd love to see a paranorl investigator attempt. 769 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:34,119 This one was if you walk around a ghost nine times, you will make 770 01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:39,519 it disappear. I'd like to try and pin down a ghost long enough to 771 01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:45,239 walk around it nine times to make it disappear. It's like, because they 772 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,440 don't stay there that long. So I thought that was an interesting one. 773 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,519 I was like, well, yes, because it will have wandered off by 774 01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:55,360 the time you've walked around it nine times, So that's like a distraction, 775 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:03,760 that is, that is an impressive manifestation for it to appear objectively to everyone 776 01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:08,360 for a period of time where that person go, no, no, no, 777 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:15,679 don't you go anywhere around you and watch just magic it's around I'm trying 778 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:23,519 to do. Yeah. Wow, I found the best Halloween supersisi I found 779 01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:29,920 before I forget is the one about the blackberries, the Irish one. Apparently 780 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,119 it's bad luck to eat blackberries after Halloween because and Irish goblin like spirit called 781 01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:40,880 it. I think it's Pooka comes out on Halloween and defiles the blackberries, 782 01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:45,760 so you're not to eat blackberries after Halloween. So I'm not sure if he 783 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,119 goes around licking them all or finger in them or not. But I mean, 784 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,119 you just imagine on board this Halloween. I'm just gonna these blackberries of 785 01:04:55,159 --> 01:05:00,440 mine now I've licked it, you know. So yeah, that was the 786 01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:02,199 best one I've found. I was like, aside from the walking back was 787 01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:04,719 on. I mean there are other ones about like how to tell if there 788 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:11,559 are spirits and things around, like you know, spiders and bats and things. 789 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,599 But yeah, but yeah, the best one I thought was the snail 790 01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:27,800 slime predictor, and the blackberries eberries. In our summary for this show will 791 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:35,320 be the Irish goblin, don't eat don't eat blackberries after midnight on Hello and 792 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:43,440 wait wait till when it went until spring? Well on Halla it says don't 793 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,119 eat them after Well, if you think about it, I suppose the blackberries 794 01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:50,440 disappear off the bushes after a bit because obviously coming into winter. So I 795 01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:58,840 assume don't eat the existing blackberries after Halloween, every blackberries ever again after Halloween, 796 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,159 because every single black has been licked by an Irish goblin. And that's 797 01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:05,119 why they go from the tree. You say, because the goblin is just 798 01:06:05,239 --> 01:06:16,960 there. Interesting you what, Sorry, I've not heard those before. No, 799 01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:20,559 I hadn't. That's why I thought they were quite amusing and interesting. 800 01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:25,760 And like you said, the apple thing was quite interesting to learn because there 801 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,440 is a lot of apple symbolism and you've got the apple bobbing as well. 802 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,559 But like you say, if it's a strong magical symbol, then then that 803 01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:35,400 would make sense. And if you think about the apple like that is, 804 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:42,519 if you think about this story of Adam and Eve and the apple, so 805 01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:54,119 it's apples have always held strong spiritual significance in terms of especially witchcraft and stuff 806 01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:58,159 like that. But you can see see them in different types of stories. 807 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,079 And also that wasn't interesting. Do you see that fly across? Yes? 808 01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:09,719 Light anonymy there. And also for like those in the Jewish community, they 809 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:16,280 will always eat honey and apple on a New Year's Eve because it's it's the 810 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:27,760 combination is for sweet opportunities basically. So it again it's something that apples have 811 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:32,400 got significant for new beginnings, new growth development. And yeah, they mix 812 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,760 honey with it as well and eat honey and apples as well on New Year's 813 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:42,440 Eve as a like a good omen for new beginnings when you start something new. 814 01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:46,760 So yeah, it is across all of the board apples, but definitely 815 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:54,199 yeah, do the see it turns out for your last piece of apple tomorrow, 816 01:07:55,719 --> 01:08:00,320 I've got to go get an apple. Absolutely. So something I come 817 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:05,599 across I felt it was quite interesting was obviously Halloween related. So Halloween the 818 01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:15,199 film was actually inspired by the guy that actually produced the film wrote the film. 819 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:21,640 He was a psychology graduate and around Halloween he went to a asylum as 820 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,800 part of his course, which is often something that they do, and he 821 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:35,680 come across a patient, and this patient apparently was looking so unwaivered, had 822 01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:44,520 so lost behind the eyes, that he inspired the character that is Michael Myers. 823 01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:46,960 Now there's lots of reasons why you could say that that was the case 824 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:53,079 for this poor patient, but that was an interesting and this was back in 825 01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:57,880 the seventies as well, So i'd like to say that we've made movement away 826 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,319 for some of the treatments that we use back then, I would say that's 827 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:09,000 some some not so we still use really outdated treatments sometimes. So but yeah, 828 01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:12,239 you could kind of see why he might have been that way. But 829 01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:16,760 I thought that was quite interesting. So it really affected him then to be 830 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:23,399 that memorable to make him want to do it. Franchise. It's just not 831 01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:30,279 a film bigger franchise person sitting in the corner but talking about films. So 832 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,319 I know you don't like me doing this. I should have prepared you before. 833 01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:40,880 But if you was to do a recommendation of a film to watch for 834 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:47,439 Halloween, what would it be? Not a massive horror film fan, because 835 01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:53,920 if I watch ghosty demony horror films in my house, I always get activity. 836 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,680 But to be fair, the one horror film that I think is classic. 837 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,239 Is Poltergeist original Poltergeist. It's it's a bit of a boring answer in 838 01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:10,720 a way, but that is the one horror film that the one horror film 839 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,680 that stayed with me that freaked me out, that I hated was The Ring. 840 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,319 Really, it's like, oh my god, because I could see that 841 01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:20,119 happening in real life. And it's like, but but the film that I 842 01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:26,119 would watch again, if you don't count The Labyrinths a horror film, obviously 843 01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:31,800 I do. Actually, yeah, I still like Poltergeist, to be fair. 844 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,680 It's it's a little cliche, but I thought it was a pretty good 845 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,560 film. Really. I've not seen the remake, though I don't know if 846 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:46,560 the remake is any good. I haven't original And like, when you look 847 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,279 at the actually story of pop, I mean, that's a whole show of 848 01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:56,640 in itself. I was going to say, because there's a lot of films 849 01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,319 that are considered cursed because of the things that I happened on set. And 850 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,520 I know that the young girl who played the character, and the youngest character, 851 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,520 she was coming quite poorly and stuff with the making of the film and 852 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:15,239 stuff like that. But you always that that Native American burial ground seems quiet 853 01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,640 when you go. I think they tried to loosely link that to the Amityville 854 01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:24,760 Haunting, allegedly that that building was built on top of a burial ground. 855 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,560 But again, there's like lots of things that can dismiss that. But yeah, 856 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:34,720 absolutely classic. I think for me it would be Okay, So I'll 857 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:40,039 be honest with you. I watch horror films anyway. I especially watched them 858 01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:49,279 in the month of October. I have literally just watched the The Fallen House 859 01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:57,520 of Usher. Okay, Yeah, it was phenomenal. If you're a Edgar 860 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,920 Allan poe a fan, which I am. There's so many it was. 861 01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:04,680 I was watching it and every time there was a reference, it's like, 862 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:09,520 oh my god, that talking about talking about that, and I was like, 863 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,119 yeah, I'm really excited about it. And at the end, like 864 01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:16,479 spoiler alert, he read the poem out, which was like repups. But 865 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:21,079 that is really really good. But as in a classic film, I think 866 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:31,039 my most favorite film has to be I would say probably The Craft. It's 867 01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:35,399 not really a horror film. I actually, yes, I see I didn't 868 01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:39,239 class as a horror film, but I do love that film. I went 869 01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:42,640 to see You when it come out of the cinema and I was expecting complete 870 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,840 trash and me and my friend walked out. We were like, oh yeah, 871 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,920 we were at the time, We're like a bit feaked out, and 872 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,840 they were like, I'm not sure about this, and we were like, 873 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,920 that was that was actually because they did a lot of research on witchcraft for 874 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,119 that film, so it is actually in a weird kind of way. But 875 01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:02,399 again, if not seeing the remake, I meant it well, but I 876 01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,680 don't know if I want to because I love it. I did love the 877 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,920 original film. I don't we know where the had classes a Halloween film, 878 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,359 but I suppose it isn't we but but yeah, I agree with you on 879 01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:20,279 that one. I did love that film. Yeah, yeah, Okay, 880 01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:26,239 Well that brings us to the end of our show. On the basis of 881 01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:30,520 this show, I'm sure we've got four more in the pipeline. Hopefully Curse 882 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,000 Horror Films might be the next one. I'm not too sure. It was 883 01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:39,039 good to say. We've a lot of different subjects today, so we've got 884 01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:43,840 plenty to dig over. So yeah, absolutely, Well, thank you so 885 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,359 much for this evening, Thank you for joining me again, and we will 886 01:13:47,560 --> 01:14:02,720 see you next time. Thank you everyone for joining us so h