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It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuring
your host, historians Scott Michaels and filmmaker

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Mike Dorsey. All Right, everybody, welcome, It's Dearly Departed Podcast.

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I believe this is episode twenty seven, so we made it to the twenty

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seven club. Scott, hooray,
we're one of the few that are get

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out of it right hopefully fingers probably
yes, that would yeah, we don't.

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We don't want to be someone else's
podcast, do we. Right?

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The tragedy the tragic end of the
Dearly Departed Podcast. Next, that's gonna

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haunt me one day. That's gonna
happen and people are gonna laugh, so,

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you know, hopefully not for a
while, but they're gonna go hmm.

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It's about the time I caught up
to him. I'll make sure that

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whatever tour is in your area,
put your house on the route in your

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honor. Okay, So we taught. We just recorded our Patreon show where

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we went over all the folks that
have passed away and the couple months since

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we did our last episode back in
early March, and so that's on our

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Patreon So if you head over there
and support us, you can listen for

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as little as two dollars a month, and that's like a it's like a

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almost an hour long show today that
we did. It is patreon page.

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So yeah, yeah, all the
obituary, not all of them, but

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most of them, and lots of
weird off the cuff stories, which is

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why you guys seem to like So
so, yeah, what what's happening in

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the world today? You just we
talked about this a little on our on

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our Patreon, But you went on
a road trip, a big cross country

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one. Yeah. Yeah, I
went to I went to Florida two times,

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and one time I went over.
We we flew over to uh spend

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a list of bit of time with
my family. And then the second time

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I drove over with my friend Jordan, who his YouTube channel joined the Lion.

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He ended up relocating, and we
drove with his dog across the country,

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doing lots of odd little stops on
the way and making videos. So

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it's a lot of fun. We
stopped in a lot of different places,

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so many places that it's like I
can't remember because it's so overwhelming, but

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it was a lot of fun.
As the first time I went, I

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just uploaded a video onto YouTube on
the Wolendos, the Flying Wolendos, who

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are like a weird obsession of buying
a family of acrobats, and I was

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able to find their their home,
where they where they lived, in their

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grave, where they're where they're all
buried. And since their big accident happened

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in Detroit, where I'm from,
where two of the members were killed when

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I fell off the high wire,
my video is devoted to those two.

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But the Wolendos are incredible, incredible
performers, artist. I mean, it's

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it's watching them, it's just oh, it's it's just it's nerves shattering to

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watch these Now now they make them
more safety because because so many of them

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have died. You know, at
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including the patriarch, Carl Wooland,
who famously you could see it on

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YouTube. Was was, you know
in San Juan, this little old man,

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he's like seventy five or something and
doing the teeter teeter and boom and

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it's all it was all recorded and
it's all on YouTube. It's a sad

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but but that's that's the life of
an acrobat. They and when they were

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an artist like that, when they
did the thing in Detroit. Two of

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the members died, one of them
was paralyzed, and the other girl had

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severe head injuries, and they went
on the next day. The rest of

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the family did. It's just the
show must go on. I guess,

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yeah, so as as I love
the Woodland is. And then there's the

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we you know, we did it. I did a thing on Grady Styles,

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who was the obscure boy who uh
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that condition where ethan ethan what's his
face in an American horse tray when they

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did Freak Show, did that thing
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pinchers. I could think there's a
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is. But anyway, he was
a miserable human being, Grady Styles,

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And well we're going to talk about
that. We talked about doing the Freak

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Show stuff in a future episode.
So, but he was involved in a

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murder, correct, right, Well, yeah, he was involved in a

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murder, and then they couldn't They
convicted him, but they couldn't put him

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anywhere because they couldn't they know what
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he's a man with two arms and
two legs, but pinchers on both so

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they they send the house arrested and
he ended up being murdered. Uh,

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he was a hateful, hateful man. And and yeah, we should do

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a Freak's episode for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I learned a lot of

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stuff when I was in Gibsonton where
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home. And uh and we mentioned, you know a little while back on

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the the other podcast, but we
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and we stopped at the Alamo,
and we did the Big Bopper's Grave,

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and we did we did some really
interesting things because Jordan did a couple of

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things he wanted to do. I
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most, mostly the James Dean stuff
in Marfa, Texas where the film a

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giant. So it's just a really
fun trip. And you know, you're

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always taking a risk when you're traveling
with somebody because you know it's like,

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how is this gonna go? It
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if it's gonna go, you know, belly up or anything. We

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end up. It was great.
It was great fun. So we're fun.

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And you went to the Mansfield Jane
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Did right, you had been had
you been there before? Though? Right?

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Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, we we were. We spent

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New Year's Eve, we rang in
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at the car hit the crash site. Wow, and uh yeah, it's

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uh, it's really it's really quite
emotional for me to be there, and

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it sounds so dramatic, but you
know, so much of our life,

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since we have the car that she
was killed in, evolves her. You

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know. Now we're sort of a
reference point and people are always sending me

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Jane Mansfield stuff and I read more
about her, and so when you're there,

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all of a sudden, you're in
the dark, you know, it's

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about midnight, around the time the
accident happened, and we're standing there and

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it's really it's overwhelming, you know, because it's such a, like I

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said, a huge part of our
lives, Troy and I and dearly departed.

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So it was something and I just
interviewed. You know why I interviewed

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was the woman who was the fiance
of the driver, Ronnie Harrison. Oh,

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he was a young man. Yeah, yeah, they were engaged and

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actually she was pregnant when the accident
happened, and none of her family knew

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that, and she had a really
interesting story. And you know, it's

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a bit of trivia. Her son
is the kid. You probably know,

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there's a lot of other people probably
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shot by shot by shot? Do
you remember that story? Yeah, I

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didn't realize that there was a relation. No, I had no idea.

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But I've seen the documentary that they
made about that. It's amazing. Yeah,

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it's like the greatest fan film ever
made or something. Yeah, yeah,

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wow, idea. I mean,
over a period of like five summers,

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these kids remade like well, I
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In fact, Spielberg saw it and
like had them in for a meeting

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or something, I think. So
it's pretty interesting. So yeah, she's

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got some wild, really wild stories. So that'll be an interesting thing to

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hear one day. That's interesting too, because Spielberg, you know, that's

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when he made movies like that,
when he was a kid. That's how

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he got into it. He had
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started, or even maybe even before
he started making war movies and stuff with

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his little friends. And yeah,
that was so I and see how he

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has a soft spot probably for other
people that kind of do that, the

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fan films and stuff like that.
But it was done well. You know,

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you keep writing, when's the big
ball gonna happen, It's gonna look

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really dumb. And it was like
they did a really good job, right

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and they blew up. They blew
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like the plane explosion seem while he's
running away. That was like one of

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the last things they shot because they
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to do a big explode. I
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like when they were in their twenties
or something. They gat that shot to

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complete the whole thing. It was
really clever, really really an odd cool

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idea. I saw you posted this. The Full House creator Jeff Franklin,

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who you know created the Full House
series television series and is a big TV

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producer. You know, he owns
the Cello Drive location now the address the

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plot of land where the Tate murders
happened, and built a huge, mega

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mansion on the property. Now it
seems to take up the entire property.

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Is this giant house and he's just
listed it. You can now rent the

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house for a steal at a quarter
of a million dollars a month, and

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there you are. You know what
Sharon and Roman moved in. It was

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twelve hundred a month, I think, but it was a different house.

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But I mean, it's a complicated
house because it was well Eltabelli who owned

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the house, and it was renting
it the Sharon and Roman lived in the

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house for a good twenty years.
He started renting it out the people.

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The last person was Trent Resner.
He moved out sold it to a brothers,

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wine Trup brothers, and the wine
Trup brothers were gonna make a fortune

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and they tore down the house and
they left one wall. There's still a

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kitchen wall up there in a tree
from the original house. But they were

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going to make a fortune and build
this house. It was called Villabella,

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and then he bought it. Franklin
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And it's just this be a moth
on the hill. It's this massive,

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seventeen thousand square foot house. The
Tate House was. You know,

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it wasn't small either, but it
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And it's interesting because the house that's
being built above his his even more

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insane. And they've been building effort
at least five years and they haven't even

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started. They just building the foundation
for five years. So the house that's

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I think part of the reason Jeff
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out is because there's a ridiculous house
being built above his. So, um,

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yeah, it's a real it's something. It's something man. That that's

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that is when people just don't tell
you to stop. There's nobody going now,

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We're not going to let that happen. You know, there's that now.

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And well they did do that,
didn't they. In bel Air really

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recently, that guy built that house. Yeah, they kept telling him you

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can't do it, you can't do
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and finally they put their foot down
and they made him tear it down.

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I think they've got to go almost
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happens. The developers have so much
have so much more power, and eventually

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they went out a little bit more
money at them, you know, I

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mean, look at at what happened
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You know, they were but they
started building the Target store because somebody kind

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of bashed forward it through the city
and it got approved and it ended up

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being like somebody beat taller than they
were allowed to, and that target stood

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there for probably what almost like eight
years or something unfit. It felt like

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over a decade. Yeah yeah,
and then they finished it and it's open

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now and it's operating. So it's
like like I said, eventually I figured

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it out. It just rarely just
they did. They get caught out on

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those things. Uh. In other
current events, uh, Lady Gaga's dogs,

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she got a dogs back from that
shooting that happened over happened on the

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street where Chibo is sunset right where
um right where the floorst used to be

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as well. Yeah, yeah,
the Parsian floorst which sent the which sent

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the rose to Maryland's grave for Joe
DiMaggio. It's on that kind of that

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same block, basically just north of
there. There was a shooting a few

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weeks ago and two of Lady Gaga's
three frenchiese French bulldogs were stolen and her

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dog Walker was shot. Luckily he
survived and exposedly now now they've arrested five

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people, including the woman who turned
them in to try to get the half

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million reward money that she was offering, and they Gaga. I think the

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police told lady Gaga, like,
hold off on paying that reward because we

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this is like fishy. And then
it turned out I think the woman that

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turned them in is the girlfriend of
the father of one of the guys that

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is now accused of being so they
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that maybe wouldn't come back to them. I guess to hey, let's try

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and get the reward money, which
is just brazen, you know, like

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they probably wouldn't have got caught if
they just turned them loose or dropped them

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off at a pound somewhere or something. They probably maybe they would have got

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away with them, but intended to, yeah, just celtrate another rich person.

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But no, they got greedy,
and you know, and it was

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interesting because what she kind a lot, she kind of been a flat she

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did Ga Ga. I hate saying
that name, but she got some flat

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because what the dogs got stolen and
you know, her dog walkers and you

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know, got shot in the long
fighting for life, screaming and stuff.

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And then she writes, she tweets
it because I am just heartbroken and devastating

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with a picture of her dogs.
It's like, Okay, she got a

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bit of flaque for that, and
she, you know, she was caught

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up in the drama all of like
social media is doing the same thing.

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Though. I was like, oh, dog walker got shot. The dogs

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I've been taking everybody's like, oh
my god, their dog's okay. It's

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like there's a human being And did
you walk here about the dogs? Selling

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Yeah. The poor guy was just
screaming and he was I guess he knew,

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uh he was a he was he
was an inter, he was an

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EMT or something that. But he
k that his lungs were filling with blood

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and he was screaming, you know. Um yeah, that's crazy wild.

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And I hope she takes care of
I'm sure. I mean he's already pretty

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well taken care of anyways, but
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stolen came back and I guess late
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oh that's sweet. Yeah, so
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while he was while they're waiting for
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they did recently. Mm hmmm,
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who knows? Yeah, I know, you never know, you never know.

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And then I was just going to
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off on our Patreon, but in
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Apollo eleven astronauts passing away, I
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any of the old documentary footage of
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with these blue hats on. He
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believe would have stood for the Command
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sides, his name on the front, and Apolo CSM on the back,

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and then it has some of the
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thirteen. I think that's Apolo twelve. And my guess is he put Apolo

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eleven at the top. But these
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hard hated was his awe. Whenever
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it for current events? I think
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talk about the stuff that matters to
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have one little, one tiny piece
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hate mail. It's uh. We
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review just said cringe, which I
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entertaining, but that's that's not bad
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lot. You know, I sort
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nasty people that I'm sort of I
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see the Patreon, I don't see
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should be more aware of what's going
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though we have we have like a
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they love us and want us to
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it's not it's it's some people just have

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nothing better to do but just go
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I believe in a statue correct twenty
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it's like a big everyone's all in
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has their panties in a bunch about
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You know, the twenty six feet
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the city put together enough money or
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display here. So the the Palm
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place to put it. And everyone
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to do with the museum or everyone
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it's showing his lady with her panties
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walk out of the museum looking at
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it's like, it's Maryland. It's
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know. Now, I'm not necessarily
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there. I think it's a great
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other side of town where there's some
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you see the real things that are
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protests are going in the world,
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Maryland statue in Palm Springs. And
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famous scene from the sevent year Arch
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it's blowing her dress up and she's
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statues of that moment. So that's
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content of it, and the fact
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it wasn't where they chose to put
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wouldn't be having this problem. But
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it's still there's a lawsuit pending.
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be done a few weeks ago,
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fascinating Palm Springs life. These are
not normal people problems, and here we

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are, all right, So the
main event is Star Wars. It's time

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for the main feature, and we're
recording. We're recording this on May the

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fourth, which is now commonly known
as Star Wars Day, May the fourth

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be with you, and so you
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but this is when we're recording it, so it's in the spirit of May

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fourth, and we always we already
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so we figured why not. Yeah, yeah, I disagree. I

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was a huge Star Wars fan when
it came out. I saw the movie

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probably ten times, which was a
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it came out, and I had
I had the sheets, I had the

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posters from Burger King, I had
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every you know disc, the disco
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Wars nut. I loved the R
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C through a C three po necklace. I was big into it, but

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I wasn't. It wasn't for the
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know, I understand the sci fi
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but I loved it as a story. It was just an awesome story.

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I was confused when they called it
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it was. When it first was
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A New Hope is like now the
official name of it, right. Nobody

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knew that it was going to be
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was released, there were people lined
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I had a time at the Chinese
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quite understood. Um. I read
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yet, but I've read a lot
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is subtitled The Definitive Story Behind the
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the digital copy of it, which
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with George Lucas and videos and stuff
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in on because they're high quality,
and I mean, it is everything you

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want ever would want to know pretty
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because George Lucas, yeah, he
didn't think they were gonna original budget was

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gonna be three million dollars, which
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so even today it would be considered
a low budget film ended up blowing

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up ballooning to you know, two
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it was done, but he didn't
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twenty million, So even with him, there's kind of a contradiction and that

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he didn't think it was going to
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planning this whole universe that he also
felt this wouldn't be the last one that

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they were going to make, and
that's why he wanted to have all the

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ancillary rights, the you know,
the stake in the merchandizing and all that

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stuff, because he felt like this
was going to go somewhere, and he

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made the movie because American Graffiti was
a surprise hit, another movie kind of

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like Star Wars, where the studio
didn't really believe in it until it came

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out and was a smash and people
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at that time period in the late
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young young people and kids anymore.
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old age demo which used to be
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practically weren't getting anything because Westerns were
out of fashion, you know, swashbuckling

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movies were out of fashion. Sci
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it was just serious, like serious
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basically all people were doing. And
he was like, wow, it was

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a huge opportunity here, and he
was totally right. Yeah, I guess

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Fox had thought they put their money
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thought that was going to be the
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you know, no, no,
I mean it opened up, didn't open

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on like a hundred screens or something, and then within you know, a

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month, it was it was seventeen
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know, an insane growth. Uh. They must have been making prints,

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you know, like crazy over time, making prints of that movie to get

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it out there. But uh,
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hoopla, that was such a big
deal. Have you ever heard this?

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Um, somebody made an audio recording
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initial in its original run back back
in siventy seven. It's a really great

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thing. Oh really, well somebody
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Have you ever put it out there? Because somebody actually did that and they

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actually released it for the the ending
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the Death Star. They actually padded
it in there, and you can hear

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the audience reacting and then the big
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and it's really freaking cool. It's
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and it legal pirated audio recording of
the movie, but a great ends

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up being a great store of a
document. Yeah. I snuffed my cassette

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player in which was you know at
that point probably like that, and I

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I recorded the whole movie. I
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movie, so you know, I
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cassettes. I should check that out.

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I did that for the Rocky Horror
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kind of fun in retrospect, you
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But Star Wars that was wow.
That was bananas. That was such

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an insane fun movie. And uh, it's it's fascinating to watch like the

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clips without the sound effects and the
green screen and stuff like that, and

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the and before it was color graded
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Yeah. Yeah, I just they
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I mean, some of it was
just what they say that uh alec Ginnis

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was like, they're giving him lines
like the day of I think, you

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know, it was like a script
like every day and the dialogue is ridiculous

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to begin with. And that was
kind of funny going through the drafts project,

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the process of writing the script,
all the various drafts at George Lucas

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wrote, and he keeps sending it
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That sounds cool, but like every
act of the audition was like,

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yeah, I had to read the
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before I figured out how it all
went, what the hell he was trying

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to say? And George Lucas was
brilliant because what he did. He realized

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this and he ended up putting up
close to half a million dollars of his

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own money during the development period of
Star Wars. When he was writing the

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script, he had no guarantee yet
that they were actually going to make it.

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They didn't know it was going to
green light yet. But he was making

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all this money from American graffiti and
he just started putting his own money into

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hiring mainly this guy named Ralph McCoy
who did all the concept art and did

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all the designs, because Lucas realized, you can't really make sense of the

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script, so let me give them
visual aids, the studio execs and actors

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and whoever, or to show them
Here's what the characters are gonna look like.

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Here's what the space ships are going
to look like. When iver we

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talk about the death Star, here's
what the death Star we think is going

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to look like. And that he'll
bring it to life for people. They

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understand what was written, they understood
pictures of the pictures and could see all,

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okay, I see what you mean
and what you're trying to do,

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and that really probably may maybe Star
Wars would have never been made. Very

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likely had George Lucas not self funded
basically the founding of ILM, Industrial line

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Magic and the and the model building
he hired model builders and Ralph McCorry to

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do the artwork. If he had
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it might not have ever gotten green
light green light as a result.

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Yeah, and the script are I
mean the acting, well, he was

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basically making a Western in space.
I mean, that's what it was.

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It was just it was cowboys in
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you know, bad guys, good
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know, the fairy whatever. Yeah, it's just yeah, it was sort

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of yeah, Western in space.
Honestly, he was taking a proven formulat

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and just spreading it out there.
But the special meats were outstanding with nobody

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was doing that nobody. Yeah,
he hired some people that had worked on

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two thousand and one Space Odyssey because
that was the gold standard, even you

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know, almost a decade later when
they made Star Wars, that was still

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the one that everybody was trying to
emulate. So he brought some of those

408
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:23.960
people in and they basically had to
build a lot of their own equipment,

409
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:29.000
or at least modify equipment for the
motion capture because the shots that he wanted

410
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.799
to do he didn't want. It
used to be that when he did an

411
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.039
effect shot, the camera would be
locked off because you couldn't have the camera

412
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.119
moving around because then if you try
to put two images together, it looks

413
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:42.400
wrong. So and then he felt
that that sent a visual queue to the

414
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.319
audience that oh, this part is
not real because we're about to do a

415
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.079
special effect. He felt like it
took audiences out of it. So he

416
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.880
wanted to be able to do effect
shots where the camera's moving. So they

417
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.200
had so they created m they already
kind of had it, but his motion

418
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:02.000
motion control camera where they could duplicate
the same camera move precisely over and over

419
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.240
again, so that they would all
match up when they put all these models

420
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.839
together, because you could have four
or five different shots in one shot basically

421
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:12.119
compiled together, and the camera had
to be moved exactly the same way every

422
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.160
time. But he wanted that so
the audience would never get taken out of

423
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.480
it. It would still have the
almost handheld like quality to it that all

424
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.279
the other scenes add. And I
think that's one of the big reasons that

425
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.359
it worked as well as it didn't
didn't look as kind of hokey as a

426
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:30.279
lot of other um sci fi movies
before it y you know, yeah,

427
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.039
and after be honest, and when
they were on that that vehicle, that

428
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.880
floating vehicle, there was a term
for that. It's the It was the

429
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.640
land the land Speeder is what it
was called. It was called the lands

430
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.279
okay, but it was really in
the movie. I didn't even remember seeing

431
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.480
in seventy seven. Think, you
know, it looks a little when you

432
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.960
look underneath that. It was a
bit, you know, if we're supposed

433
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:49.759
to be floating and you can yell, it was a bit, a bit,

434
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.599
And now it's like it's on wheels, yeah, and it had They

435
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:57.759
did the effect by just using mirrors, yeah, to cover the wheels up,

436
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.480
and it looks like it's floating.
And I looked this up. It

437
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.599
was one thing I caught it.
I gotta go back to Ralph McCoy for

438
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:08.359
a second. He passed away in
March third, twenty twelve. He worked

439
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.240
he was famous for Star Wars trilogy. Of course, he also worked on

440
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:18.720
the original Battlestar Galactica series. He
worked on Et Cocoon. He was a

441
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:23.039
groundbreaking conceptual His artworks just beautiful.
And I saw a piece of little ephemera,

442
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.759
this envelope that was sent in with
some of his conceptual drawings had his

443
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:32.240
address on it at the time,
and he lived at the corner of Curson

444
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.400
and San Vicini in Los Angeles,
and I was like an apartment building there.

445
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:38.279
I think it was seven. I
think it was ten seventy one South

446
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:44.000
Curson Avenue, and so, and
that's there's still a building there today.

447
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.920
So depending on what unit you have, you very well may live in the

448
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:52.880
apartment where Ralph McCoury drew by most
most of the concept art for Star Wars.

449
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:57.519
I hope that he m I hope
that Lucas gave him points, you

450
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.759
know, from the growth of the
movie. I really do so. I

451
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:06.839
know he gave He gave that to
Ale Ginnis. Alghinnis got two percent yeah,

452
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.839
yeah, And I always heard that
Carrie and Harris and Mark got a

453
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.960
percentage too, But nobody's ever come
out and said that they've been bitter about

454
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.240
merchandise, but they've never of course, they've kind of kept their mouth shut

455
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.480
about the other stuff. I think
they got points. I don't think they

456
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.400
You know, it was a goat
nowhere movie. Nobody knew what was going

457
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.400
to happen. It was just Yeah, I think a lot of them,

458
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.720
I know, I know. I
did come across um when I was reading

459
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:36.799
up on David Prouse, who was
the man in the Darth Vader suit who

460
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.720
did the actual physical acting on screen
for most of it. He was supposed

461
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:44.440
to get residuals off Return of the
Jedi that he claims he never gotten so

462
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.319
I suspect that maybe they didn't get
it off the first movie, but when

463
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.519
it was a hit, and you
know, they came in to negotiate for

464
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.200
their next roles, they probably were
like, okay, we want to back

465
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.640
end piece of this. So but
now Prows, I remember his thing,

466
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.279
the guy that was Vader he was
supposed to get. I don't think it

467
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.839
was gonna be points. He said
it. But he was also banned from

468
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.519
Star Wars conventions for years because he
burned bridges, they said with Lucasfilm.

469
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:15.720
But he said that originally when they
took off Darthader's mask, it was supposed

470
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.599
to be his voice, and then
they changed it to another actor, and

471
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.240
so he claimed to have gotten screwed
over by Lucasfilm, and Lucasfilm just got

472
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.200
tired of him. There's multiple So, first in the first movie, while

473
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.200
they're filming, he gets replaced by
a stuntman for a lot of the sword

474
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:35.119
fighting scenes, a lot of the
lightsaber scenes, because he kept breaking the

475
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.079
props and he just he wasn't he
just wasn't trained up enough at sword fighting.

476
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:42.799
So the choreographer for the movie was
a stand in for him to do

477
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.440
that those fight scenes so first day, and he was a little rubbed wrong

478
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.759
about that he didn't get to do
those. He tried to get him to

479
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:50.359
let him do him later and Return
of the Jedi, they wouldn't let him.

480
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.359
He wanted to do that. He
wanted to be the one to throw

481
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.680
the Emperor, you know, at
the end of Return of the Jedi,

482
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.440
because the guy, the stuntman was
having trouble getting it right. And I

483
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.400
think they still wouldn't let him.
So he was but heard about that.

484
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.200
Then there's some debate about whether or
not he knew that they were going to

485
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.680
replace his voice with James Earl Jones
or not. And I think he has

486
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.720
no problem with the fact that James
Old Jones did the voice. I think

487
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:14.240
he just didn't he thought it was
going to be his when they recorded the

488
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:19.119
film, and then Lucas changed his
mind and post about yeah, because they

489
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.680
sounded what Carry Fisher called him like
Darth Darth Farmer or something like that.

490
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.440
They made some good a joke because
he had a what's called a West Country

491
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.920
accent, which I don't know what
that sounds like. It's Bristol, but

492
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.720
I mean it's funny in England to
the guy down the street has a different

493
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:37.279
accent. They have so many different
accents there. But he was from Bristol.

494
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.400
But but yeah, she it was
just not become farmer. Yeah who

495
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.599
you thought. But you know,
I have a friend who was who was

496
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.599
one of the stand ins for Vader
and for Chewbacca in the first in the

497
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:53.839
first three films actually, and his
name was Stephen Kalka, and he was

498
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:58.400
in the Rocky Horror Pictures Show.
He was the tall, skinny Transylvanian with

499
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.799
the long hair in the Rocky Horror
Picture Show. And when I interviewed him

500
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.279
for that, you know, I
was listening to that interview again this week

501
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.840
for this for this podcast, and
we talked for an hour about Rocky Horror

502
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.039
and about different commercials that he was
in and this and that, and he

503
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.320
goes, and I did Star Wars, but I don't talk about that because

504
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.159
no one, you know, no
one really thinks about that. And this

505
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.159
is a mid nineties when I interviewed
him, and now you go to his

506
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.119
page on Facebook. I mean,
he is famous, like huge in the

507
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:29.320
Star Wars world. He does all
the conventions because he was the stand ins

508
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:36.320
for both Chewbacca and for a Darth
Vader during the original film and are the

509
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:42.679
original three films, and coincidentally,
David Prowse was originally offered Chewbacca, and

510
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.159
I kind of gave him a choice
to do because he's six foot six,

511
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.440
bodybuilder. He could have, you
know, played Chewbacca probably if he'd really

512
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.719
wanted to. And he wanted to
be Vader because he wanted to be the

513
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:53.760
bad guy. He thought everybody remembers
the villain, is what he says.

514
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:59.960
So now I'm gonna go out.
I'm gonna I'm gonna say something that maybe

515
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:06.599
controversial. I don't think so.
But they were in costumes and they weren't

516
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.039
using their voices, right, you
know, Peter Mayhew and David Prouse and

517
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:15.360
Kenny Baker, they were in costumes. They didn't use their voices right,

518
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:21.119
And they was saying like, you
know, when when uh when uh as

519
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:22.960
the other guy that just Peter Mayhew
died? Like or are they going to

520
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.960
make the other episode of Star Wars
without him? It's like, well,

521
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.840
they already, yeah, they already
know. Yeah, it's a costume.

522
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:36.360
And I know, I'm not trying
to dismiss there's movement acting most aptiently,

523
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:44.559
Bye bye, it's a costume.
One of the reasons that Um that Daniels

524
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.480
was cast as as the three Pio
was because he had a lot of experience

525
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:52.039
mining apparently, so since he doesn't
have a mouth that can move, it's

526
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.280
all action. It's all movement and
actions. Plus he has to be a

527
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:59.039
robot. Um But David Proud,
But David Prouse. The final kind of

528
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.639
injustice to him was in Return of
the Jedi when they pulled a mask off.

529
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:06.320
Here's as finally a chance for you
to see his face, and instead

530
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.000
it's an actor named Sebastian shop Like
he just got like every step of the

531
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.639
way. I think he felt like
he was screwed over. And then there

532
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.440
was the money issue with the residuals
that he claimed about Return of the Jedi

533
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.400
and um but like you said,
he was in ended up getting banned from

534
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.400
Star Wars events in twenty and ten
because he just they couldn't trust him to

535
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.280
not say stupid, you know,
controversial things. I guess you know,

536
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.440
and heard said he burned too many
bridges. He was now he was also

537
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:36.519
we'll talk more about about the films, but he was in a lot of

538
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:42.079
Hammer films to the Hammer Horror movies
which were also filmed at Brace Studios,

539
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.679
which were Rocky Horror related. There's
a there's a few Rocky Horror references in

540
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:51.119
both these, uh both of the
movies, because Brace Studios was across from

541
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.800
Oakley Court, the big mansion that
was used in Rocky Horror and also used

542
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:58.639
in some of the some of the
uh the Hammer Horror films, the House

543
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:04.079
of Dracula Christopher Lee Ones, and
so they were sort of like the British

544
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.920
classic universal horror films from Britain in
the seventies. But he was in a

545
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:15.480
couple of those with Peter Cushing,
who was grandmof Tarken and David Prowse is

546
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.039
the most recent cast member to pass
away. He passed away on November twenty

547
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.920
eighth of twenty twenties, so just
a few months ago, and his sister,

548
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.039
I believe, revealed that it was
COVID nineteen. I think they kind

549
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:29.440
of kept that quiet at first,
but then we eventually said it was COVID

550
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:35.320
and he was eighty five years old, and then he talked about being in

551
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.360
horror films and stuff. Peter Cushing
or yeah, Peter Cushing, who was

552
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:43.920
Grand mof Tarken. He was in
you know, Frankenstein and Dracula and The

553
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.280
Abominable Snowman and the Mummy, the
ones they did back in the fifties.

554
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.400
He was in a bunch of those
movies. I guess because he just had

555
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.519
that look that great that he had
that great face with the cheek bones and

556
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:59.440
they kind of hollowed out cheeks.
He just had that that facial bone structure

557
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.360
for it. I think to play
that kind of play those dark characters.

558
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.920
Um And like I think that George
Lucas had him in mind. Number one.

559
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.079
I think he knew who he wanted, I believe at that point.

560
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:16.559
Yeah, Peter Cushing and the one
the only one that I know that he

561
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:21.519
really pursued from day from pretty much
day one just about is Guinness. He

562
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.159
wanted Guinness to play Obi Wan or
somebody, you know, like the Obi

563
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:28.800
Wan character kept switching and was for
a time it was it was more of

564
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.239
a general character and then you know, a general in the military, and

565
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.960
then he became Obi Wan and whatever. But he wanted, he really pursued

566
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.440
Sir Alec Guinness, whereas Princess Leigh
and Han Solo and Luke were all kind

567
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.440
of up in the air up until
just a few months before they started shooting,

568
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.519
or even weeks. But he really
wanted to see and Cushing claims claimed

569
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.760
that he was offered Obi Wan first. That's interesting. That's yeah, that's

570
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:54.559
what he That's what he said.
He said. He was also approached by

571
00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.039
John Carpenter to play the Doctor Loomis
in the first Halloween movie being seventy seven,

572
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.880
which which would have been you know, all right, that would have

573
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.280
been Okay, did did you see
did you see the Rogue one Star Wars

574
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:16.320
movie? Rogue one? Probably,
it's fantastic. It's so freaking good.

575
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.519
I think it's the best one of
the new films that they've made is Rogue

576
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.280
one. Um, and it's but
they it's all about the it's like a

577
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.840
little prequel to the first Star Wars. It's all about how they got the

578
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.559
plans for the Death Star. Yeah, and they brought back they since Peter

579
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:36.559
Cushing passed away in August eleventh,
nineteen ninety four, from he had had

580
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.079
cancer for many years. He was
eighty one. Um, he had been

581
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:43.000
dead for decades by the time they
made Rogue one, and they needed his

582
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.960
character back, so they they brought
him back with CGI as and they brought

583
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.679
back Kerry Fisher as a young Princess
Leigh as well for the kind of the

584
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.639
final shot in the movie. So
uh, And there was a lot of

585
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.760
um controversy whether it's ethical or not. This is one of the big conversations

586
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.960
going on in filmmaking right now.
Is it ethical to do CGI really life

587
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:07.199
like close up CGI shots of actors
that are dead and basically have them do

588
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.760
a performance that they didn't do and
they didn't sign off on essentially, right,

589
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.400
they didn't agree to. Yeah,
I thought it was great. I

590
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.480
thought, I think it's awesome.
It will see spectfully it is sentimentally,

591
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.280
yeah, you want to see them
again. But you're right. I had

592
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:27.039
that problem with when Natalie Cole did
the dwo ice with their father. You

593
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.639
know, he wasn't approached, he
wasn't asked, and they're they're they're kind

594
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:36.159
of what when they somebody described George
George, who was the producer for the

595
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.639
for the Beatles, Martin George anyway, he George Martin, thank you.

596
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.239
Yeah. And when they were doing
the song the soundtrack or Love the Vegas

597
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.440
Show, and it was they're putting
together sort of mashups of all the Beatles

598
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.599
songs. He was. He said
it was like putting a mustache on the

599
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.320
Mona Lisa. And that's sort of
an interesting way to put it, you

600
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.960
know, when you're when you're when
you're taking a piece. That's so a

601
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.360
lot of people will call perfect and
manipulating it, and they call it deep

602
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.880
fake. I guess that's what they
were. It was sort of yeah,

603
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.159
yeah, uh so, I I
did. Somebody said that the James Dean

604
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:14.719
estate had sold or off, you
know, settled on an agreement to do

605
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:20.159
a movie with James Dean. Not
it just like fabricated James Dean. It's

606
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:25.280
um uh yeah, ethically, I
do. I do think it's it's dodgy.

607
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:30.239
I think it's really dodgy. Yeah, it's like it's like a weird

608
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.239
kind of cloning and uh and I
don't know, I don't know if I'm

609
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.119
into that. You're right, it
kind of like they got a fortune for

610
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:42.119
it, though, no doubt about
it. Peter Cushing's family, Oh yeah,

611
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.400
I'm sure they got a fortune.
They have him set. They most

612
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.280
likely did have, because there's um
there's a it's kind of a state by

613
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.440
state law in the US how life
rights work after someone passes away. Um,

614
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.719
I think a lot of times it's
the seventy year rule that exists,

615
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.039
kind of a copyright in law in
general. In New York, I think

616
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:06.000
it doesn't exist. And coincidentally,
in Tennessee it is forever you have to

617
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:07.800
go and get the permission. And
that is because of Elvis in the Elvis

618
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:13.199
estate. They got that past in
Tennessee, so that you have to go

619
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:17.320
through the Elvis estate to do anything
with his So that like because of those

620
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.800
hologram shows they were doing or something. I don't know what the timing of

621
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:23.679
when that law got past in Tennessee. I just know it has something to

622
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.639
do with with Elvis is in his
estate interest. But yeah, they probably

623
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.800
almost I would say almost definitely had
to go to Cushing's estate and give it

624
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.360
his okay. And the same thing
with Carrie Fisher. But Fisher had been

625
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.000
in some of these movies, they
might have already been worked into her contract

626
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:43.079
that you know, something happens.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You

627
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:47.760
ever watched bow Jack Horseman? Oh
god, it's so it's so I love

628
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.119
it so much. I love that
show so much. But I think I

629
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.639
believe there was a plot line with
him where they he gets replaced on a

630
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:58.960
show he's on by his own a
CGI version of himself, and then finds

631
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:00.960
out that in his contract he signed
that a way so they can replace him

632
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:08.320
with a fake version of him.
Serious. I wonder, I wonder why,

633
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:15.320
um, I wonder why we haven't
seen deep fake porn, you know,

634
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:21.400
yeah, like like people like you
know, Fair Faucet or James Dean

635
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.400
or I mean, it's one of
the things that a lot of actresses especially

636
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.920
are concerned about obviously with you know, with with their image being used like

637
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.840
in that way. Obviously there's already
you know fake uh you know, naked

638
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.039
shots of that they say are of
celebrities that are that are just lookalikes.

639
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.119
They already use lookalikes and stuff.
But yeah, it is, It's been

640
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:45.599
a hot topic for a long time. They have those filters on on on

641
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.400
you know, you could do it
on your phone now, put yourself in

642
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:52.320
smoking the bandit or something and uh
so I would imagine that exists. But

643
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.199
it's I've seen parody porn. I've
said the scar there's a couple of Star

644
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.679
Wars parody porn, you know,
but which which are quite good as far

645
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.199
as special effects and their costumes.
They did a good job with it,

646
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.960
but probably not going to get endorsed
by George Lucas, though like Spielberg,

647
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:14.079
get the rate they do. I
don't know there's a some sort of free

648
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.239
freedom of you know, parody they
can get away with it. I'm not

649
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:21.559
quite sure the legists of all that. But my guess is that it is

650
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.239
still so technologically difficult to really pull
off a good deep fake for an extended

651
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:30.840
scene that the resources they would take
to create it, it would take a

652
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.800
company to get behind that, and
a company who's knows they're gonna probably get

653
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.719
sued by whoever it is that they're
faking. So my guess is right,

654
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.679
they just don't want to They don't
want to touch it, but non no

655
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:45.840
pun intended, but the technology absolutely. Um, who do you want to

656
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.599
talk about next? We talk about
Peter? Well, we gonna have about

657
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.880
Peter Mayhew if you want, Yeah, sure, yeah, And he was

658
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:58.320
Chewy and five, He was Chewy
and five Star Wars films, the original

659
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.199
trilogy, the the third of the
Prequels, the last film of the Prequels

660
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.440
trilogy, and in the first of
the new trilogy. He was in all

661
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.559
of those, and then and then
when the new trilogy came along, he

662
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:10.880
was in the first one, but
he was already kind of starting to pass

663
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.519
the torch on to the actor that
was going to replace him. And there's

664
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.159
some nice behind the scenes stuff of
them, you know, getting to know

665
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.559
each other and a new actor being
you know, very respectful of the role

666
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.239
he's taking over and learning, learning
Mayhew's movements and stuff so that it's believable.

667
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:30.800
And I don't know, I think
he's done a great job. It's

668
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:37.280
a costume. Sorry, I'm sorry. I don't I don't I know him,

669
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.559
you know, I just say they're
saying that, you know, Mayhew

670
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.760
was a big guy, seven foot
tall or something like that. Seven he

671
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:49.400
was seven foot three, seven foot
three, and he wasn't but he wasn't.

672
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.960
Although he wrote two songs, two
books, Growing Up Giant in My

673
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.000
Favorite Giant, But he wasn't a
giant. He didn't have giantism. But

674
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.199
he was just a really tall guy. And he said, they say that's

675
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.159
all his research, by going to
the zoo and learning, you know,

676
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.760
watching the animals. I mean maybe
he did, I'm sure, and he

677
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.079
probably had the audition, you know, the movement. I'm not I'm not

678
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:14.760
belittling him at all. Sure,
but you know, passing the torch to

679
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.199
another guy in a costume, no
lines, you know, none of those

680
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.079
noises came out of him. He
was just a guy in a costume.

681
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:23.480
Again, it sounds like I'm being
shitty. I don't mean it that way.

682
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.000
I'm just saying, right, I
could have done it. I probably

683
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.400
could have done it with a bit
of with a bit of help, you

684
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:36.760
know, and about another foot on
me, It's all right. Um.

685
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.760
Yeah. They he was seven foot
three as a result of a genetic disorder

686
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:45.679
called Marphin syndrome or Marphin or Marfan
syndrome. So he as he said,

687
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:51.400
he wasn't It wasn't gigantism or giantism
or whatever the term is that you just

688
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:52.800
said. He said it wasn't that
because he didn't had He said, he

689
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.519
didn't have the big head that typically
came with that. He had a normal

690
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.280
sized person's head. He was just
that people that have Marphin send him tend

691
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.519
to be very tall and skinny and
have kind of lanky, gangly arms and

692
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.840
legs. So, but he was
working as a hospital orderly. Yeah,

693
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.079
when he was cast as Chewbacca,
and you know, had his whole life

694
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:17.519
changed. I just had a memory
that just came back. And maybe I

695
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.199
told the story before, and I
probably this is really a gross story.

696
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:27.639
Well Mayhew, yeah, we taught
we he passed. He has passed away

697
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.599
since we started doing this series,
so we did mention him. But I

698
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.880
don't know if you've told it yet, but to tell it again because I

699
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:37.119
don't remember. It's a such a
gross story. It's such a gross story.

700
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:43.199
Maybe, but it was really Now. I was really hungover, really

701
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.800
hungover, and my acts was doing
a radio show and it was live.

702
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.800
Usually they do in the studio,
this was live in front of an audience,

703
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.920
and Peter Mayhew was one of the
guests and we were talking afterwards,

704
00:47:53.480 --> 00:48:00.239
and I had to I had to. I had to pass gas. So

705
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.440
so I walked far away, you
know, maybe twenty five feet away,

706
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.039
and I was like, you know, mine of my own business, and

707
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:08.119
you know, doing what I had
to do. And then my ex I

708
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:12.760
could tell he's pointing at me and
talking to Peter Mayhew and making some kind

709
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.079
of remarkableut what I'm doing. It's
like, all of a sudden, I

710
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.440
just freaked out. I panicked and
I went back up there and started talking

711
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.880
to him. I brought it with
me and we're just talking, and all

712
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:28.719
of a sudden, it just because
really bad, and people are just really

713
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.440
uncomfortable because everyone knows it was me, and it was just it was so

714
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:37.559
it arrived when you arrived. It
was it was bad. It was really

715
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:44.599
gross and now in retrospect, still
very uncomfortable. But I shared my my

716
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:50.119
very personal space with Peter Mayhew and
he was angry about that, but not

717
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.840
angry because it's British, you know, British. You're just like, we

718
00:48:53.119 --> 00:49:00.800
know what's going on here, but
sorry the Wookie. The Wookie did not

719
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:02.440
win in that moment. Just what
you're trying to say? No, And

720
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:06.119
he had the last line in the
film. He had the very last line

721
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.960
in the first Star Wars movie.
Yeah he rous, Yeah, he's the

722
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:13.559
only one who doesn't get a medal. But then he gets to growl at

723
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:19.320
the end. Yeah, the last
line. He was also in the what

724
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.239
were you even born when this movie
came out? Star Wars? Yeah?

725
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:28.920
Okay, Star Wars came out a
year before I was born. Empire Strikes

726
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.480
Back came out when I was two. My big one. So I've always

727
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:36.800
existed in a world that has Star
Wars in it. My big film was

728
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.079
Return of the Jedi. I freaking
adored Return to the Jedi even to this

729
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:43.039
day. I know it's not the
most popular of the original trilogy. A

730
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.480
lot of people didn't like the Ewoks. I was like six or seven.

731
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.280
I freaking loved the Ewoks. I
was an Ewok for Halloween. I'll if

732
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.840
you watched the video version of this. If you watched the video version,

733
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:57.360
threw up the costume that my mom
hands sewed from fake fur of my Ewok

734
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:01.599
costume, it's awesome. I was
I think the following year I was Han

735
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:06.679
Solo. But it was just an
outfit that I picked out that I know.

736
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:08.239
I looked nothing like Han Solo,
and that's what I told everybody I

737
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.960
was. And I just remember my
mom kept asking me, do you sure

738
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.639
you don't want me to make you
a costume. I was like, no,

739
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.239
this will. I'll just put this
vest on and carry this like plastic

740
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:21.840
gun around and people will know I'm
Han Solo. But yes, exactly,

741
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.719
But but but the Ewok costume was
one for the ages. It's the of

742
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:28.079
all the ones. My mom she
was a sewer. Of all the ones

743
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.519
she did, it was the best
one. So I have photos of it,

744
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.360
so I'll post it. Oh yeah, definitely, that's so cool.

745
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:39.880
That's so cool. And I'll just
say one other thing. I remember that

746
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:44.199
came out, and then I remember
we had a family reunion up in Tahoe

747
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.519
in this big house in the in
the woods and those big trees and around

748
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:51.559
Tahoe reminded me so much of you
know Indoor, you know, the Ewoks

749
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:53.440
in the Ewok Village, And for
me, it just like cemented in my

750
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:57.519
mind, like that was like real, like that's all real. Like I

751
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.800
just saw returning to Jedi and now
I'm where it looks like they filmed Ewalk

752
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:02.840
stuff. It was just made very
real to me, you know. And

753
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.079
I remember my cousins and I played
Star Wars stuff and doing Star Wars arts,

754
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:14.719
and yeah, it's really cool.
Another weird connection to Rocky Horror.

755
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.800
My friend Sadie, she was she
was an e walk who was a little

756
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.320
Transylvanian in the Rocky Horror Pictures show
ang with Kenny Baker, who was an

757
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:27.000
e walk in some of those scenes. I didn't know that. Yeah,

758
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.519
he played he played I forget which
one it was, but they have names

759
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.159
apparently, so Peter Mayhew. Since
we've talked about his death before, he

760
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.039
had a bunch of health issues,
largely related to his height. He had

761
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:43.119
double knee replacement surgery in twenty thirteen. He had been in basically confined to

762
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:45.559
a wheelchair for a couple of years
leading up to that, finally got his

763
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.280
knee knees replaced. Then two years
later in twenty fifteen, he got hospitalized

764
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:54.559
for pneumonia. In twenty eighteen,
he had spinal surgery, and finally on

765
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:59.360
April thirty, twenty nineteen, he
had a heart attack and passed away.

766
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:04.599
He was seventy and heart conditions are
another side effect of having the Marphin syndrome

767
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.320
that he had that made him tall. So just as much as the little

768
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.840
people live forever, tall people just
tend to not. They have all kinds

769
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.880
of problems. Yeah, yeah.
So he is buried in Reno, Texas,

770
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:22.000
which is northwest of outside Fort Worth. He lived in Texas with his

771
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.480
wife. I think his wife was
Texan and he lived in a place called

772
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:28.800
Boyd, Texas for years and years
and years with his wife. And he

773
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.480
is buried in the Azel Land Memorial
Park in Reno, Texas, Azeland,

774
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:37.760
Azeland, and I looked it up
and they have a recreation of Christ's tomb

775
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:42.000
with the rock rolled away on.
It's part of their cemetery. So look

776
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:46.000
up a cemetery. Yes, I'd
never seen it before. It is quite

777
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:51.079
a site. Yeah, and he
wasn't forgot though. He was in the

778
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:57.400
Star Wars Christmas special that they threw
together that year, themUS Infamous Christmas Special,

779
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.280
and I had I had the forty
five of what do you get a

780
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:07.199
Wookie for Christmas? I probably still
do, but but yeah, where Carrie

781
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.559
Fisher sings the song at the end, I think, right, I think,

782
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:15.039
oh, I don't remember her at
all. I think so, oh

783
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.800
my god. They were just throwing
that it was a b Arthur in that.

784
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.280
I mean, yeah, it was. Yeah, they had to get

785
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.239
it wasn't Chris, it wasn't Christmas. It was like it was like the

786
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:30.519
Wookies Life Day or Life Force Day
or something like that. And the whole

787
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:36.960
the plot is trying to get Chewy
home to his to his Wookie family,

788
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.679
uh you know, in time for
this special holiday. And that's basically the

789
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:44.639
gist of it. Yeah, yeah, it was is notoriously one of the

790
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.920
most campy things ever made, and
for a long time you couldn't get it

791
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.719
unless you know, you passed around
tapes of people had bootleg copies of it.

792
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.159
Now of course because the Internet you
can find it. It's everywhere.

793
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:59.280
But it's almost like they shot it
and then tried to forget it ever existed

794
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:04.519
after after it aired. So,
I mean, this became a people.

795
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.159
I don't know if people nowadays would
realize what an industry this thing became.

796
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:13.880
I mean it was everywhere. You
know, there were there were there were

797
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:17.519
tribute record albums, and there were
like dozens of them, and the costumes

798
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:21.760
and the you know, the other
you know, the parodies they did of

799
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:23.920
it, and the uh, you
know, it became a It started a

800
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:29.280
whole new sci fi genre and they
were throwing these babies out on TV shows

801
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:34.800
and everything. I mean it really
changed movies and uh and pop culture.

802
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:37.840
There was so much Star Wars stuff
everywhere, and it was just couldn't get

803
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:42.159
away from it. I mean all
that the toys, they were just kicking

804
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.719
them out. God, everything was
soap and candies and you name it.

805
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.320
It was Star Wars everything, and
I had it all I had all that

806
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.840
Star Wars stuff. I was still
have some of my old comic books and

807
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.840
magazines meant, you know, Mad
Magazine and stuff like that. Um I

808
00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:00.000
just loved it, loved it,
loved it. The Star Wars toys were

809
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.719
like what the older kids had when
I was growing up, because by the

810
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.880
time I came around, it was
G I Joe and I remember the Star

811
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:08.719
Wars ones were a little more primitive
because you couldn't been the elbows and he

812
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:12.880
couldn't been the knees on the figures
and on G I Joe. You could,

813
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.840
um see, there was more you
could do with them. And but

814
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.000
I remember, I remember Star Wars
toys being prevalented. It was like if

815
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.599
I went over to a friend's house, his older brother had like a bunch

816
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:24.639
of Star Wars toys that seemed to
be like if I'd been born just a

817
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.079
few years earlier, I probably would
have had a you know, a Millennium

818
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.679
Falcon, yeah, you know,
which was kind of the Millennium Falcon.

819
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.480
I think was like the ultimate with
the you know, the Holy Grail Star

820
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.880
Wars toy to own because it was
so they did, it was so well

821
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:43.039
designed, it was it was huge
yeah, yeah, I was. I

822
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.039
went to the auction house last year
when they were selling the Once Upon a

823
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:51.760
Time in Hollywood cars and they had
a whole thing on Star Wars there,

824
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.599
and it was really something to be
there and to be see one of those,

825
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:59.000
Like I believe it was that ship, the first one that comes in

826
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.400
the first movie that comes. I
was in it swoops up there was like

827
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.480
right there. I mean I could
have touched it. You know, there

828
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.519
were pieces of it they were broken
off. I could tell it had been

829
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.320
around, but it was like nobody, you know, They're just like,

830
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.480
yeah, I have a look around. And I was like, I mean,

831
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.000
it wasn't just anybody off the street. We made arrangements, but I

832
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.159
could have just went like that and
broke a huge pieces off. But you

833
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:23.119
know, they had one of the
Imperial Story Trooper original from the seventy seven

834
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.920
movie. They had a Darth Vader, but I don't think that was ever

835
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.320
screen used. I think it was
used as a for appearances, but it

836
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.400
was true to the original costume.
But um, but that was it was

837
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.760
pretty cool to see that stuff up
close. But see again, I was

838
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.039
more of a I loved it,
but I loved the movie I loved the

839
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:45.239
story I was you know, the
the guns and the spaceships and things,

840
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.559
those are all fun. I loved
it. But it wasn't my either.

841
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:52.400
That was it was more of the
pop culture stuff that really uh it really

842
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:58.159
got me going. Love that,
so rest in peace, Rest in peace.

843
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:01.480
The marketing, I can't, I
mean, that's what. It just

844
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.960
blows my mind when I think about
it, that's all. And now those

845
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:08.000
dolls, those little dolls are worth
a forchune, you know, yeah,

846
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:12.320
yeah, they're there. It's like, you can't. You can't just buy

847
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.639
dolls and play with them anymore.
You know. You gotta keep in the

848
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:16.119
box. You have to be before
and they can't. You know, we

849
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:21.559
get to wrap them in and tissue
and do and like the sneaker heads that

850
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:25.000
buy shoes they never wear because they're
worth thousands. Yeah yeah, yeah,

851
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:29.760
yeah. I'm a terrible collector because
I want to play with everything I could.

852
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.880
I would never well yeah exactly unless
I was like unless I was like

853
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:36.480
a rich kid and I could buy
two of everything and not open one of

854
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:43.079
them. There's that too, yeah
truly. Yeah. Uh So Kenny Baker,

855
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.119
we mentioned him earlier R two D
two. He was Kenny Baker was

856
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:52.320
three foot eight, and I was
wondering he was. He was three He

857
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:59.320
was literally half the height of Peter
Mayhew. If he took another Kenny Baker

858
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.000
and had him stand on his own
head, he would he would be looking

859
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:05.199
pretty much eyeball to eyeball with Peter
Mayhew. So yeah, he was very

860
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.760
tiny, and I believe, based
on reading this book that I've been reading,

861
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:13.800
he is the first person that they
cast because the guys making the props

862
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.360
needed a little needed to know who
was going to go in there the little

863
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:21.039
trash can you know for for R
two D two, And they needed to

864
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:22.559
put him in there so that they
knew what they were building would actually work

865
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.119
with a person in it. And
so he ended up being I believe the

866
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:29.840
very first actor cast, or at
least that's the gist I got from reading

867
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.159
this book, because they needed him
before they needed all the other actors.

868
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.719
It makes sense. Yeah, and
uh and but famously, famously you want

869
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:43.199
to talk about David Prowse and feuds, Kenny Baker and Anthony Daniels, who

870
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.199
played C three PO, have one
of the most infamous feuds in Hollywood history.

871
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:51.159
They hated each other hated. I
knew that they did. I didn't

872
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:52.400
know it was that big of a
deal. Kenny Baker. I read a

873
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.800
couple of things that he said that
you know, he wasn't very sociable,

874
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.760
but I never heard any kind of
real nasty Baker. Well, I think

875
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.360
what happened was they didn't get along, and then it was kind of let

876
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:07.800
sleeping dogs lie. But then in
the early two thousands, I think Baker

877
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:13.079
started talking trash again and interviews he
called Daniels the rudest man I've ever met.

878
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.239
He said that Daniels was belittling to
him. It would always call him

879
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:20.480
little man. That I guess.
He walked up to Daniels one time to

880
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.840
talk to him, and Daniels was
rude and snapped. You know, can't

881
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:29.239
you see him talking or having a
conversation. He referred to Daniels as golden

882
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:34.360
balls. And then Daniels has said
that he doesn't know where this is coming

883
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.280
from, but he um but publicly, Daniels said that working with Baker was

884
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:44.800
like working with a bucket. I
think basically, Daniels is I think part

885
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:46.760
of it, too, is that
he felt Daniels felt that Baker's comments about

886
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:52.000
him were not fair because he Baker
was just mad that Daniels didn't seem to

887
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.880
want to socialize with him. But
I think also the problem is that Daniels

888
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:59.159
didn't Daniels saw that what he was
doing a C three P was an actual

889
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.199
acting perform and Baker, Yeah,
and I think he saw Baker's just like

890
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:06.639
a prop. He's operating a prop. He's not actually acting. The thing

891
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:08.920
doesn't talk, He's just rolling around
in this thing. What does you know.

892
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:10.960
I think he kind of felt like
we're not on the same level,

893
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.840
you know. And plus Daniels is
like, because he wasn't talking, Daniels

894
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:17.440
had to create his own dialogue in
his head of what R two D two

895
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.800
was probably saying to him so that
he could react to it. So Daniels

896
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.159
felt like what he was doing was
like a really hard job, and and

897
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:28.679
just Jesus didn't feel like Baker was
at his level. And then later on

898
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.480
when Baker wanted to do the fan
conventions with Daniels, because all great would

899
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:36.559
that be R two, D two
and C three PO actors together, Daniels

900
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.039
wouldn't do it. So there was
a financial I don't think Daniels does any

901
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:42.599
of those things. Does he he
could make a fortune doing this, but

902
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.639
I don't think he. I think
he started doing it more recently, but

903
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:51.760
at the time he wasn't interested.
Yeah, he's a thespian. Yeah,

904
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.760
Kenny Baker. You know, he's
a guy that that into the suit.

905
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.519
You know, there was no real
acting and I'm not saying, you know

906
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:02.840
there were you know, if they
could have done away with it and just

907
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:07.880
had a computerized they'd have done it, you know. And even as the

908
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.840
guy in the costume, if those
outtakes, he was always like, you

909
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:14.360
know, ramming in the walls and
stuff like that. You know, there

910
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:17.760
are a lot of scenes where he
was not uh where. You know,

911
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:22.400
I didn't dismissing what he did.
He was he was. He was in

912
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.599
Time Bandits, he was in The
Elephant Man. He was also in a

913
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:29.079
like I said, there's another rocky
horror thing. He was in a movie

914
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.960
called The Wombles. Were like,
uh, kind of what they would be

915
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:37.039
in America. They were like a
family, a live action family of these.

916
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:40.679
There were wombles. They were like
little animals, and there were little

917
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:45.239
people in suits. And my friend
Sadie was a womble, and so was

918
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.920
Kenny Baker with him, and she
she told me that Kenny was pursuing her

919
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:52.239
and wanted to wanted to marry her, and uh and uh, and she

920
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:57.199
wouldn't have anything to do with that. But they maintained a real friendly relationship

921
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.559
for many years. And I said
they were both They were both Ewoks.

922
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.599
Kenny was. He was supposed to
have a much larger part and as an

923
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:07.639
e walk, but he ended up
being ill and ended up being a minor

924
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:12.119
Eak. They had names, some
of them did, Yeah, I mean

925
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.400
not. I mean they weren't named
in the movie, but I guess they've

926
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:15.360
had and maybe they had names in
the script, so you could tell the

927
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:19.800
difference between him and now the fans
have picked up on that what their different

928
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.360
names were. Yeah, um,
yeah, you got to be a real

929
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:25.920
fan in all that. The names
of the Ewoks. Yeah, I was

930
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.119
just a generic Ewok for for Halloween. I don't know what my ewak name

931
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:31.559
was. He was a brown ewalk, that's all. It was. Uh,

932
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:36.320
speaking little people. When Kenny Baker
went to his interview to get the

933
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.079
role for R two D two,
he brought his cabaret partner with him,

934
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:44.519
another little person named Jack Purvis,
and Jack Purvis because of that, ended

935
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:49.199
up getting a role as they had
jahwa In in Star Wars. Oh right,

936
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:51.960
right, okay, I know that
name, but I didn't I didn't

937
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.199
go forward. He was another little
person that acted in a bunch of stuff

938
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:58.280
just like the just like they did. You know, it's like Kenny Baker

939
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:00.639
did. Yeah, yeah, because
I knew he was part of like a

940
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:06.559
troop or a trio or something.
And and he almost didn't take the part

941
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:08.599
because she didn't want to break up
the you know, break up the band

942
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:13.920
as a sure, sure, sure, and wisely did because they kept him.

943
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:16.840
You know, those people made a
fortunate autograph shows like id even carried

944
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:22.559
did the autograph shows. Uh,
you know, she she'd show up and

945
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.760
they could pay. He could charge
a fortune to sit there and sign autographs,

946
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:30.119
you know, and it's like fifty
bucks cash for you know, a

947
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:34.400
half a second of their lives.
She was very very kind and talk to

948
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.400
people, but it was, you
know, very much an industry. And

949
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:38.880
here I am for eight hours.
I'll do this for eight hours and I'm

950
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:43.840
out of here. And that's an
easy ten grand cash for her. Yeah,

951
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:45.639
absolutely, I mean you do one
of those every couple of months or

952
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:50.199
every quarter or whatever, and you
have enough to survive on, then why

953
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.400
wouldn't you? Yeah, you know, I mean he did, Yeah,

954
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.199
because I doubted and I doubt that
Kenny Baker got points. You know,

955
01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:59.480
he probably got like five hundred bucks
a week the first time, and then

956
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:01.239
you know, as some movies went
on and made more money, he got

957
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:05.280
paid more money. But it was
a sentimental pay because anyone could have been

958
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:09.320
in that thing that was that little
you know, I mean it sounds so

959
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:14.480
dismissive, but but he was.
He was the inside of a costume like

960
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.320
the robot and lost in space.
You know. Yes, it's a guy.

961
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:19.880
It's a guy. Uh And that
sounds really rude. I don't need

962
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:21.960
it that way, you know,
I'm going with that, don't you know

963
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:26.559
what I mean? Yeah, it
would take some training. I'm not gonna

964
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:29.320
say it's just somebody goes in.
Well. Rt D two, Yeah,

965
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:34.800
it was just Originally, Originally rt
D two was supposed to walk. His

966
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:38.960
three little legs were supposed to kind
of shuffle, I guess, kind of

967
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.800
like if you've ever seen Interstellar,
the little robot they have in that that

968
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.159
kind of does this thing. He
was supposed to kind of like that.

969
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:46.760
It was supposed to kind of lumber
along, and then I think they realized

970
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.800
it was just too difficult to make
that work, and the Adam start and

971
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:54.239
Adham roll instead. Well they he
does it a couple of times in the

972
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:58.800
like at the ending of the Throne
Room ending, he does walk up because

973
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:02.159
everybody kind of walk he has like
what Dan does. Yeah, yeah,

974
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:05.199
so, um so, yeah,
that was all you know that was talking

975
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:10.559
about. Yeah, that was all
those emotional chords were We're brought out for

976
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:14.119
that movie. Everyone was so into
that. It was such a glorious ending

977
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:16.559
to that movie. It really was. Um So. Kenny Baker passed away

978
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:20.400
on August thirteenth, twenty sixteen.
He had had a lung condition for a

979
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.360
long time. I think had something
to do with his death. He was

980
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:29.760
he was eighty one years old.
R I P R I P R two

981
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:35.639
D two. Um So, okay, I guess we talk about Alec Ginnis.

982
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:40.320
Yeah, and I've got um,
I've got some small little characters we

983
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:45.800
can mention. But yeah, let's
sir Alec Ginnis, whom originally was excited

984
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.760
until he heard it was a science
fiction movie and was unsure if he wanted

985
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:53.760
to do it much like I think. Um, I think Anthony Daniels felt

986
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:57.239
kind of the same way. At
first, not he was at Guinness was

987
01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.920
not sure he wanted to do a
science fiction movie. But then when he

988
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:01.119
read the script, he loved it, and he was he was a page

989
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.639
turner, you know, kind of
like what you've said about the story.

990
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.639
He's like, he wanted to turn
the next page to see what happened next.

991
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.760
He was really engrossed by it,
and he had to read it a

992
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.679
few times, just like everybody else
did, until he really fully understood it.

993
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.599
But um, but he ended up
accepting it. And I think,

994
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:23.239
uh, Harrison Ford said he thinks
that Alc Ginnis took the part because Ginnis

995
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:27.199
saw it is a very American movie
is kind of like a Western, which

996
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:30.159
you know, I had a lot
of connections to plot wise, and so

997
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:32.599
that's how he kind of saw it, and maybe that's why he jumped on

998
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:36.559
board. Probably getting paid fifteen grand
a week in nineteen seventy six was probably

999
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:41.960
another incentive. Yeah, And in
the film was the only one that was

1000
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.079
really a name in that movie.
I mean, there's Peter Cushing u and

1001
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.519
and he always but he really panned
the dialogue, didn't He always said,

1002
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:53.280
you here's so many different things.
The only reason he wasn't gonna do it.

1003
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.800
But then he saw America graffiti and
he like George Lily guess so,

1004
01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.119
but then you always hear that he
really, he really, you know,

1005
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.239
dismissed the dialogue and said it was
hokey and he hated it. However,

1006
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:09.159
he got points. He made a
lot of money for that movie. Nobody

1007
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.920
knew who was going to make any
money, so he made bank. I

1008
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.000
mean that guy was rolling in it
just from I don't know. Nobody got

1009
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:19.199
the image stuff, nobody got that
merchandizing stuff. But he got points from

1010
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:21.559
the gross of the movie or that
net I don't even know what that means.

1011
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:26.800
But of the earnings of the movie
he got, he got money.

1012
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:31.199
He got money, so Sir Alec
Guinness. He was an Oscar winner for

1013
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:34.760
the Bridge over the River Kwai,
of course, famous for Lawrence of Arabia,

1014
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:42.599
Doctor Zivago, and so he and
Lucas was against casting, for the

1015
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:48.000
most part, casting famous people in
Star Wars because he believed that if the

1016
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:53.159
audience recognized an actor, it would
take them out of the fantasy of the

1017
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.440
film, right, He felt like, if you put Robert Redford in your

1018
01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:00.119
movie, now it's a Robert Redford
movie, it's hard to imagine Robert for

1019
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:02.360
it is not Robert Redford, So
how do you imagine him, you know,

1020
01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:06.199
as a swashbuckler in space? He
just felt like it took it.

1021
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:10.400
And it was the other reason that
George Lucas didn't originally didn't want to cast

1022
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:14.360
anybody from American Graffiti because again he
didn't want people he saw in his last

1023
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:18.239
movie to be in this this epic
fantasy film that he was making. And

1024
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:21.319
then eventually, of course he changed
his mind because Harrison Ford was in American

1025
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:27.319
Graffiti and he ended up auditioning several
actors in addition, you know, for

1026
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:30.119
He Dreyfus was another one that was
in the running for Han solo for a

1027
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.119
while. It was also an American
Graffiti, so he eventually kind of changed

1028
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.920
his mind on that a little bit. But yeah, Sir Alec Ginnis was

1029
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:41.600
the only real big star at that
time. Even though Carrie Fisher was famous,

1030
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:44.880
she hadn't really been in much of
anything yet when she took on.

1031
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:56.039
But yeah, yeah, eliciness was
huge in Britain. But really ordinary looking.

1032
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.319
You know, he wasn't going to
steal anybody's thunder. He he was

1033
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.079
a kind, older looking gentleman who
didn't need to do movies, you know,

1034
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.880
hugely successful on the stage. They
put him up there with you know,

1035
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:12.520
John Gilgood, and there's there's like
three of those Olivier in fact,

1036
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:16.520
I think they were all friends.
But you know, hugely successful onstage,

1037
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:23.199
Shakespearean actor, but not known enough
to be you know, a distraction.

1038
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:27.039
And he's really Obi wan Kenobi is
really not in it for all that long?

1039
01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:29.319
Is he? I mean? Is
he? I don't. I think

1040
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.640
a lot of it The plot revolves
around him so much. But is here

1041
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:35.920
right in the first movie? Yes? And then his voice only obviously for

1042
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.640
the most part, shows up as
a fourth ghost, you know, at

1043
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.560
certain points, but he's mainly just
in Luke's head with voiceover for the rest

1044
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.680
of it. Yeah, so have
you so now we've talked about this before.

1045
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:53.079
How you know it became a common
trope in Hollywood, just like everybody

1046
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:55.680
said they were supposed to be at
Sharon Tate's house the night of the murders.

1047
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:59.680
Everybody tried to say they warned James
Dean not to drive his car,

1048
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:02.000
that Porsche, that he was gonna
die if he kept racing. Yeah.

1049
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:06.319
Right. George Stevens claimed to have
told that story. And one of the

1050
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:11.439
people that claims to have told him
this is Sir Alec Ginnis. And this

1051
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.840
came out in an interview he did
right or the same year I believe the

1052
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:18.600
Star Wars came out. He talked
about um. He claims that he met

1053
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:24.720
James Dean outside a restaurant in Hollywood
in LA Area about a week before James

1054
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:29.119
Dean died. And I think Alec
Ginnis had gotten into a fight with somebody

1055
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.560
or something or he couldn't get back
into the restaurant for some reason, and

1056
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:35.880
James Dean rolled up and said,
Hey, you know, I'm going in.

1057
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.840
I'm going in, just come in
with me. And so they went.

1058
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.439
They went in together. But before
they did, Alec Ginnis said he

1059
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:45.439
checked out this porst that was in
the parking lot, and he said it

1060
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.479
still had like the Cell of Fame
kind of rapping on at certain ports of

1061
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:51.439
it to you know, protect the
paint job and whatever. And he told

1062
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:56.279
and he started talking to James Dean
about this car. And he says that

1063
01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:58.840
James Dean told him it could do
a top speed of one hundred and fifty

1064
01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:02.359
miles an hour, and Guinness claims
that he told James Dean he said,

1065
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:06.119
if you drive this car within a
week from this point, you'll be you'll

1066
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:10.159
be dead. He said, it's
now Thursday, or you know, Friday

1067
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:13.920
night at ten pm. By next
this time next week, you'll be dead.

1068
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:15.439
And he was so. I don't
know if that's true or not,

1069
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:18.680
but he I've listened to the actual
audio of the interview, and it's sounding

1070
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:21.239
he's a very matter of fact about
it, and he doesn't drive me as

1071
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:25.039
a guy who tells BS stories,
So I don't know. I tend to

1072
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:28.479
I tend to believe it. I
guess I have no reason not to,

1073
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:30.560
even though I know a lot of
people have said that they did warn him

1074
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:34.439
not to drive. I don't.
I mean, I I think not.

1075
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:40.800
That's my guess. That's my I
don't think. You know, he's a

1076
01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:44.039
he's an actor. He's probably a
you know, someone that would live,

1077
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:48.000
dine out on a good story and
sure and and have a lot of people

1078
01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:53.399
listen to him. May I'm not
saying that in an interaction didn't happen,

1079
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.560
but you know, maybe he saw
and he goes, you're getting you know,

1080
01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:00.000
that's a death trapper or something like
that. But that's because you know,

1081
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:03.640
growing it was now ten o'clock on
Friday and within seven days. What

1082
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.880
are you saying? And it's like, I, you know, I think

1083
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:12.760
so, but you know what,
they might have had an interaction and and

1084
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.800
it's possible, but yeah, yeah, what it just sounds like it's been

1085
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.399
in bellied any any He claims they
had a you know, a lovely evening

1086
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:23.239
at the restaurant and he was and
he was very sad when it happened,

1087
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:25.600
like everybody else was. He said
he wished he'd gotten to know him better.

1088
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:30.840
And you know, he lived.
So yeah, so uh Al again

1089
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:35.600
has passed away on August fifth,
two thousand, from liver cancer. He

1090
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:42.600
was eighty six. He's the only
one out of the cast that was nominated

1091
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.319
for any or you know, yeah, the cast. He was nominated for

1092
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:49.119
Best Supporting Actor that year. I
mean it one other Oscars it won for

1093
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:58.239
uh I think it was Achievement,
Special achievement and special Effects and sounding visual

1094
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:02.880
effects and it was now and I
believe John Williams was nominated in one for

1095
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:08.399
the score best original score. Oh
my god. When I was in band

1096
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:11.680
in high school, we did the
Star Wars team. Could you imagine it

1097
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:15.239
had to be a parent and listen
to it. Band doing like a fifteen

1098
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:19.560
minute orchestral version of Star Wars by
like kids who weren't even into it,

1099
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:23.560
most of them. Oh my god, the agony demost have been. I

1100
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:27.880
was in the marching band at Arizona
State University and we did we did a

1101
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:30.119
Star Wars show, but we were
college kids. We were a little bit

1102
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:32.000
better, and we had fifty two
trumpets in our band. Yeah, it

1103
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:34.960
sounded pretty good, but yeah,
score orchestra. I can see it would

1104
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:39.720
be a little I would love to
I would love to hear recording of that.

1105
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:43.960
I really would. But you said
so Guinness had two point two five

1106
01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:51.319
interest in the revenue from it,
and and he said he had asked to

1107
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:56.000
confirm with the additional point five in
writing, but was told it was reduced

1108
01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:00.720
to point two five. I'm not
quite sure dialogue because he'd been yeah,

1109
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:04.600
sorry. But it was revealed in
the seventy seven interview with Michael Parkinson that

1110
01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:10.720
it was in supported by many public
comments. Mark Hamill. They were all

1111
01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:15.119
speaking highly of him and is anyway, it doesn't really matter. He didn't

1112
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:19.279
quible he made a fortune. I
think they said that he Um, what

1113
01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:24.079
if the film gross something like one
hundred million dollars and he had or four

1114
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:29.479
hundred million dollars and he had two
percent interest in the revenue, which which

1115
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:33.399
who knows after Hollywood accounting has taken
into account how much actually made it to

1116
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:38.520
him, But probably a pretty good
amount because I'm sure they negotiated a good

1117
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:41.239
deal for him if he was you
know, because everybody knows what Hollywood accounting

1118
01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:45.159
is. They knew what it was
back And it's not just getting up percentage,

1119
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:47.279
just making sure you're high enough on
the pecking order that you get it,

1120
01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:51.039
that you get that money, you're
not so far down that it all

1121
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:57.399
gets sucked up by other You know, the Hollywood accounting is very famous for

1122
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.760
the shady accounting practices that they do. And you think you're in for two

1123
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:03.000
percent, but then you realize you're
in for two percent of the remaining ten

1124
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:06.880
percent that the studio doesn't take as
a distribution fee. After you know,

1125
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:11.760
all these other people, there's like
a hierarchy to who gets their percentages.

1126
01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.159
Basic, yeah, very and there's
a running joke in Hollywood and no movie

1127
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:20.279
has ever made money as far as
Hollywood accounting is concerned. They always find

1128
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:26.239
a way to say that it didn't
make anything. So um. But the

1129
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:29.560
casting was a while. Jodie Foster, for one, at one point was

1130
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:32.720
kind of in the lead to play
Leia, but she was too young because

1131
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:38.079
she was fifteen. Terry Nunn,
who went on to be the lead singer

1132
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:42.520
of Berlin, that was in the
lead, but she was also a minor

1133
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:47.159
is a that is according to the
Definitive book, and she's talked about it.

1134
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:51.159
Yeah, she didn't and Mark Hamill
even commented that he um, he

1135
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:55.359
saw her because Mark Hamill didn't think
he was going to get it either,

1136
01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:59.760
but he knew she had auditioned and
he he saw her collecting unemployment like in

1137
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:01.880
an employment line, like a week
after he had auditioned, and she was

1138
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:03.560
like, I didn't get it,
and she's like, what about you?

1139
01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:05.800
And he said I didn't get it
either, because he didn't think he did.

1140
01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:10.520
Okay, so yeah, but Terry
nine, but Terry n was was

1141
01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:13.399
she did she did? Um.
There's pictures of her, I believe doing

1142
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.520
you know, doing the audition like
in there with George and reading reading for

1143
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:20.199
it. Tons of people, Nick
Nulty Audition, Tommy Lee, Jones,

1144
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:26.319
Travolta, Kurt Russell, Christopher Walkin
was in the It was a favored to

1145
01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:29.880
play Haunt at one point he would
have been a little bit older. But

1146
01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:33.439
one of the reasons they went with
carry Fisher is because, unlike Jodie Foster

1147
01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:38.000
and Terry Nune, Carry Fisher was
eighteen and so you didn't have to worry

1148
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:42.000
about child labor laws filming, which
you do with when you work with miners,

1149
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:45.560
they can only work a certain number
of hours a day, whereas adults,

1150
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.560
you know, you can kind of
kind of abuse more. Um,

1151
01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:50.560
that's why a lot of times child
actors, why a lot of times child

1152
01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:54.760
actors are twins, because then they
can rotate the twin in and get a

1153
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.000
full day of filming out of the
two. Well that makes sense. Yeah,

1154
01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:00.119
yeah, but Kerry, Yeah,
you spend a lot of time in

1155
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:08.479
Britain anyway, so that's probably I
didn't didn't hurt things, but yeah,

1156
01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:13.840
I just listened to the audiobook of
Todd Fisher, who's her brother, Carry

1157
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:17.000
Fisher's brother. Oh well, sorry's
let's stay with with Alec Ginnis. We

1158
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:20.560
did we finish, We did finish
him didn't. Yeah, I'll just say

1159
01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:25.119
one more thing about the casting process. When they started doing the casting,

1160
01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:29.520
Brian de Palma and George Lucas were
and I guess assume still are very good

1161
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:33.079
friends. And Di Palma was casting
for Carry the movie care that's right,

1162
01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:38.159
and they and he pitched the idea
of well, we're both looking for kind

1163
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:41.720
of the same age group, and
you're gonna and he already knows Lucas is

1164
01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:45.159
doing this huge cattle call. He
wants to see everybody. So Depalmas like,

1165
01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:47.880
I'll just sit in with you and
we'll cast both films together, and

1166
01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:51.159
Depauma ended up casting most of his
you know, the leads out of those

1167
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:55.640
sessions, and Lucas couldn't make his
mind up. So eventually De Palma got

1168
01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:58.640
bored with the process and you know, left it to Lucas to run the

1169
01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:00.479
rest of the time. But yeah, they weeks they sat together and cast

1170
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:04.279
for both Carrie and Star Wars,
which then led to confusion for the actors

1171
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:09.199
because they didn't know who what they
were auditioning for. Ye and the palmer

1172
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:13.880
was a better director at the time, so Carrie said that she wanted to

1173
01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:16.279
do. She thought that she was
going to be doing Carrie. That's what

1174
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:19.119
she thought was gonna you know,
because she'd made you know, Carrie doing

1175
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:25.039
carry Uh but uh, yeah,
she thought that that I think that's the

1176
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:28.359
part she thought she might get.
So she was sort of surprised that they

1177
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:34.920
got she got Star Wars, but
that that that audiobook was fascinating that Todd

1178
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:40.520
Fisher did. I was really surprised. I was expecting it to be um,

1179
01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:45.000
you know, me a lot of
inserting yourself into situations. But they

1180
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:48.399
were really close, and it was
it was it was a really interesting story,

1181
01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:51.520
the two of them, and Debbie
Reynolds. They were all three of

1182
01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:57.199
them close. But uh but yeah, fascinating, fascinating story, those three,

1183
01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:02.039
that family, Eddie Fisher and Harry
Fisher and Debbie Reynolds. And yeah,

1184
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:05.640
I mean Carrie Fisher was born into
Hollywood royalty by every death, by

1185
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:10.439
the very definition of it. She's
the daughter of Beddie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds,

1186
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:15.119
I mean yeah. And when she
started, um, she was,

1187
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:17.000
in addition to being an actress's a
bit of a social light. She'd liked

1188
01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:20.039
to throw big parties in New York, and there's a great I think it

1189
01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:24.279
may be an excerpt from her book, but I read it as an article.

1190
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:27.039
Um, there's some great stories about
her hanging out with the cast of

1191
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:31.920
SNL and oh yeah, and her
friendship, her friendship with John Belushi,

1192
01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:36.079
which kind of centered on their both
their love of cocaine, their mutual love

1193
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:39.920
of cocaine, but also they were
just good platonic friends. You know,

1194
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:43.920
Belushi was married the whole time.
But uh, and I remember the SNL

1195
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.560
cast were in awe of Carrie Fisher
and why why did she even want to

1196
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:49.399
hang out with them, because she
was Hollywood royalty and they were just,

1197
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:53.640
you know, a bunch of dumb
kids from Second City. They were just

1198
01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:56.239
kind of like, oh wow,
they were kind of starstruck by her,

1199
01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:59.439
even though at this point they're like
some of the biggest comedians in the country

1200
01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:02.039
because and else this big, you
know, cultural phenomenon. So it's kind

1201
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:05.399
of funny to hear people kind of
taken off with their own careers. But

1202
01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:09.079
then Carrie Fisher rolls in and it's
like, oh, here's like the real

1203
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:15.439
the real starlet is among us.
Yeah, yeah, she was. Yeah,

1204
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:23.119
she certainly brought along a a cachet
with her just by her birthright certainly,

1205
01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:27.920
but she she also earned her own
way, uh, into into pop

1206
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:31.800
culture. She was I knew her, uh, not like we weren't super

1207
01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:36.880
friends, but I knew her fairly
well and when from my time in England,

1208
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:45.399
and she was she was just exhausting
to be around. Nice, but

1209
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:48.279
the biboler stuff made her really difficult
to be around. And she was she

1210
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.720
was like, you know, you
were just this is this is It was

1211
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:57.239
like you couldn't follow it and uh, but but she was. I say,

1212
01:20:57.239 --> 01:21:00.680
she was super super nice and just
as uh, you know, throughout

1213
01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:03.479
the one liners, the bumper sticker
one liners all the time. You know,

1214
01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:06.920
she always had some kind of remark
to make. Um, we're talking

1215
01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:11.039
about drinking or something like that.
She said, I'm not I'm not in

1216
01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:14.359
AA, I'm just I'm just a
or something like that, you know,

1217
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:20.520
making a kind of just But she
also told me a really interesting anecdote.

1218
01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:24.439
And I don't know what he even
got started on, but she told me

1219
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:29.640
she says, famous people, Um, when you become famous, people don't

1220
01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:30.720
want to talk to you anymore.
I may have told you this before,

1221
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:33.920
might have mentioned people don't want to
talk to People don't want to talk to

1222
01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:38.399
you anymore. They only want to
listen to you. So you can go

1223
01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:42.239
up to somebody and go I love
you, I love you, and and

1224
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:45.399
uh, and then you can start
spouting out and you could talk about anything.

1225
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:47.920
You could say I had the shittiest
day, dotty duh, and people,

1226
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.840
the fans just got, you know, leaning on your every word and

1227
01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:57.600
smile and giggle and joke. And
then that she said, that's why celebrities

1228
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:00.319
have this distorted view. What they
have to say is important to other people

1229
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:06.800
because people give them that power.
And as it was very it was interesting

1230
01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:12.199
to get that anecdote because she saw
it from all around and she she knew

1231
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:17.039
that she was born into an odd
situation and and she struggled with bipolar and

1232
01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:20.840
drug addiction and her relationship with her
parents, etcetera. But she was able

1233
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:26.439
to parlay that into that career of
being this this this writer. That was

1234
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:30.039
pretty yeah, pretty pretty funny,
pretty good stuff. She was a she

1235
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:32.359
was a fantastic author. She wrote
Postcards from the Edge. It was going

1236
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:35.359
to started out if she wrote as
a book kind of semi autobiographical, which

1237
01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:38.920
sin of course, got made into
the movie. Um. She was also

1238
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:41.680
a script doctor in Hollywood, which, if you don't know what a script

1239
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:45.680
doctor is, people listening, Um, you're usually an uncredited role. You're

1240
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:48.720
brought in to punch up a scriptum, to help sometimes just to be brought

1241
01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:51.920
into bright It could be as simple
as we want you to pump up the

1242
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:56.640
punch up the dialogue for this specific
character, right, or it might be

1243
01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:58.960
the whole script we want you to
look at or whatever. But a script

1244
01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.159
doctor, it's there job to come
in and kind of fine tune a script.

1245
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:05.960
And she supposedly worked as a script
doctor on Hook for spielberg sister act

1246
01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:12.039
the wedding Singer Lethal Weapon three,
And I believe she also did some script

1247
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.640
doctor work on some of the prequel
Star Wars movies, m which she probably

1248
01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:21.000
was happy to not get accredited for, but she was also she said that

1249
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:27.600
she is the most successful actress in
Hollywood, and I was like, well,

1250
01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.359
what do you mean. She says, well, I've been in so

1251
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:33.119
many blockbusters. I may have had
just a cameo in them, but I

1252
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:35.600
was in you know, when Harry
made Sally, I was in Star Wars,

1253
01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:39.319
and I was in Charlie's Angels I
was in. You know, she

1254
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:45.279
was in all these hit hit movies
that by by box office standards, she

1255
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:49.359
was the you know, the most
successful financial actress of all times at that

1256
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:54.039
time. Yeah, I can see
that, Yeah, totally. Yeah.

1257
01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:56.720
She was also in the Burbs.
It's one of my favorites that she was

1258
01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:00.560
in. She played Tom Hanks's wife, remember who He's not in it a

1259
01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:02.479
whole bunch because she leaves. She
leaves with the kids at a certain point

1260
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:08.840
once his antics get out of control. But yeah, she's funny and that

1261
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:12.000
we talked about that in The Wizard
of Oz. That uh, that were

1262
01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:15.640
the Ods movie that they did with
the with the Dwarves and she was Chevy

1263
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.800
Chase and that was with Chevy Chase
they were making The Wizard of Oz.

1264
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:21.760
Uh, you know that were we
talked about the during the Wizard of Oz

1265
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:28.000
episode it was under the Rainbow and
it was all about the bunchkins filming The

1266
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:31.039
Wizard of Oz the Ulver Hotel and
they were, you know, swinging from

1267
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:34.760
the rafters and it's a you know, it's a terrible, terrible movie.

1268
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:40.920
But but yeah, she's she's done
some clonkers. That's for sure. But

1269
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:45.920
uh, but who hasn't amazing act, amazing, amazing writer. So um

1270
01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:49.239
so you you mentioned her bipolar.
So the one story I have about Carrie

1271
01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:51.920
Fisher. I never met her,
but I was. Um. I was

1272
01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:58.119
shopping a couple of years ago as
in a clothing store, and the person

1273
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:01.720
working at the clerk work at the
store. We started talking and somehow I

1274
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:04.680
maybe maybe it was a few years
ago, maybe Carrie Fisher just died.

1275
01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:10.479
I don't remember, but she um. But this this worker said that they

1276
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:14.640
had previously worked at another big clothing
store in la It is very well known

1277
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:16.560
and when they worked there at the
time, it was kind of famous.

1278
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:19.439
The store was open until midnight.
That was kind of one of their things

1279
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:21.920
that they were known for. It
was this kind of high end clothing store

1280
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:26.119
and they were up until midnight.
And they said that Carrie Fisher used to

1281
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:31.119
come in and and shop at like
she'd come in at like, you know,

1282
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:34.439
eleven thirty midnight or so, and
they'd keep the store open later for

1283
01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:36.840
it because they know she was going
to buy a lot. But they said

1284
01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:42.680
they felt kind of bad because it
was obvious that Carrie was kind of having

1285
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:45.359
a manic episode. A lot of
times when she was coming in and buying

1286
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:46.640
all these clothes and they're like,
I don't know if we should be selling

1287
01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:49.079
her all this. But then they're
like, well, she'll probably come back

1288
01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:53.319
tomorrow or the next day and return
whatever she doesn't like when she kind of

1289
01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:56.840
comes back down again. But they
said she never did. She never returned

1290
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.840
anything. She would come in and
just buy a ton of stuff and being

1291
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:04.239
a super positive kind of manic mode
and apparently just kept it. Yeah,

1292
01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:08.000
and she never will. She never
wore shoes. He used to make me

1293
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:12.760
nuts dirty feet and she always put
him on like she always put him on

1294
01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:15.600
the chair. I always put him
on the sofa. And it was like

1295
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:19.399
I just have a thing about feet
anyway, But it was just always always

1296
01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:23.920
it was, yeah, and you're
credited in a Tarantino movie and you have

1297
01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:30.600
a thing against feet. I know
right now it's I think, Peter,

1298
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:33.239
you know, I don't want to
see other people's feet now. And she

1299
01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:36.960
anyway, But anyway, she was
I liked there a lot. She was

1300
01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:44.359
really nice and just just difficult to
be around sometimes and just funny. We

1301
01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:48.079
so, yeah, this the book
that Todd Fisher wrote was was really interesting

1302
01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:54.840
how they had went to see the
first screening of Star Wars, the first

1303
01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:59.680
the first New Hope and that was
at Fox. It was like an advanced

1304
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.520
meaning and they kind of snuck in
when the credits, you know, and

1305
01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:08.479
she was like scared to death because
it was all this hooplah at on Fox,

1306
01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:10.720
on the Fox all day, all
wore nobody knew what was going to

1307
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:13.399
happen. And by the time they, you know, the movie goes over

1308
01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:15.720
with they're all sitting here with their
mouths wide open, going, what did

1309
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:19.960
we just watch? This is incredible? Right? So so she um,

1310
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:24.760
you know, she she definitely learned
how to embrace it. But you know,

1311
01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:29.119
and I do think they got some
kind of profit sharing somehow, but

1312
01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:32.439
not the marketing. And she was
she would always make you know, cracks

1313
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:36.800
about stuff like that because she would
bring out on talk shows. She would

1314
01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:43.039
bring out toys of her you know, when she made those pets dispensers,

1315
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:45.039
and she was, you know,
look at this, you can snap my

1316
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:53.720
neck back and then can throat.
That's that's um she she had. She

1317
01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:57.800
did that great um speech, that
roasting of George Lucas when you got the

1318
01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:01.000
AFI lifetime achievement Award and if you
haven't seen it, everybody listening, you

1319
01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.279
should gets on YouTube. It's amazing. And she goes into that. She

1320
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:08.439
says that, um, she can't
look at herself in the mirror without sending

1321
01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:14.000
George a couple of bucks. He
owns her likeness. And she makes in

1322
01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:15.800
the Pezda spencer that her daughter whenever
her daughter would get mad at her,

1323
01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:19.039
she'd break out the Pezda spencer and
pull candy out of her throat. And

1324
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:23.640
then she said, or the shampoo
bottle where you twisted my head off and

1325
01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:29.279
poured soapa on my neck. Yeah, and how, oh, and how

1326
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:34.000
George Lucas, Um, George Lucas
wouldn't let her wear a bra underneath,

1327
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:38.560
you know, like the famous metal
bikini and all the all the other office

1328
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:41.960
she wasn't allowed to wear a bra
because George Lucas told her there was no

1329
01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:48.119
underwear in space. Okay, right, but all the other characters had cod

1330
01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:54.880
pieces, Yeah, exactly. It's
funny. But she she got a lot

1331
01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:58.439
of flak for the haird And I
don't know if there was ever any kind

1332
01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:02.600
of if there was ever any regret
on George Lucas's part for that. The

1333
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:06.800
heir and her for the little cinnamon
bun buns on the side of her head.

1334
01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:12.800
Yeah, but she was she,
I mean she was she knew how

1335
01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:15.199
to get a joke out of everything. And I've seen it on a dozen

1336
01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:17.199
shows. But she makes me laugh
every time. But she says, I

1337
01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:21.239
went someone you know on the Ellen
Degenera show when she did her the first

1338
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:25.880
sitcom, Carrie Fisher, you know, played just a quick cameo in this

1339
01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:30.960
bookstore as herself and Helen grabs the
buns, looked on Princess Leiah and she

1340
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.279
goes, you know, as many
times as I see that, I never

1341
01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:36.960
get tired of it. You know, she was always uh it makes me

1342
01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:43.640
laugh every time. I never get
sick of it. And she but yeah,

1343
01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:47.640
that she um got I mean the
Blues Brothers another highest grossing movie.

1344
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:50.920
Uh, you know, she she
was just so much stuff. And that's

1345
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.319
how I think she hooked up with
all of that Saturday Night Live clan.

1346
01:29:56.199 --> 01:29:59.199
Well, supposedly I read that she
said that, uh you know, back

1347
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:01.479
she was friends with Dacroid and Blush
in the SNL cast, and when she

1348
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:06.039
did, she was agreed to be
in Blues Brothers. Supposedly, the agreement

1349
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:11.159
was that Blues John and dan Ackroid
would get to play like aliens or some

1350
01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:14.760
type of creature in the next Star
Wars movie, and George Lucas was like

1351
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:18.399
no, so she pitched it to
him much money, but she was still

1352
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:23.640
in Blues Brothers obviously as the mystery
woman. I just remember there was a

1353
01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:28.119
guy I knew comic he's probably still
around. His name was Scott Kaporo And

1354
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:31.600
in another comic I knew named Greg
Pruchs, and both of those guys were

1355
01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:35.960
hired to be sportscasters in one of
the Star Wars movies. I forget which

1356
01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:42.239
one it was, but there were
two sportscasters that were you know, aliens

1357
01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:45.359
or whatever, but they were celebrity
voices and it was these two guys.

1358
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:47.960
I just remember that. Forgot about
that. It's probably the prequel where they

1359
01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:51.359
had the pot where they had the
pod racing. It was like it was

1360
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:56.399
like a Ben Her type of chariot
race. But okay, they called podracers.

1361
01:30:56.520 --> 01:30:58.479
That's the only thing I can think
of where they might have had that

1362
01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:00.760
kind of character. I don't remember. Yeah, I mean it started getting

1363
01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:06.479
a bit silly when they doings business, and I really the biggest problem I

1364
01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:11.359
have with the Star Wars the original
trilogy is that they won't give us the

1365
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:15.680
original version pre nineties when they went
in and did all the really what's now

1366
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:20.680
extremely dated CGI from the nineties,
which they went and added to the original

1367
01:31:21.079 --> 01:31:26.000
trilogy. So because George Lucas wanted
it to match up better with the prequels

1368
01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:28.600
that he was about to come out
with, so they added all types of

1369
01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:31.279
little alien creatures in the things.
They added scenes. There's now a whole

1370
01:31:31.319 --> 01:31:36.760
song and dance sequence in it that's
just terrible. And there's a really bad

1371
01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:43.920
they put in a deleted scene where
Han Solo talks to us. They and

1372
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:45.800
he talks to Job of the Hut
and there's but they hadn't designed the Job

1373
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:49.359
of the Hut creature yet at the
time, so they didn't realize he's gonna

1374
01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:51.720
have a tail. So there's a
scene a moment where in Han Solo is

1375
01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:55.680
supposed to walk behind him, but
they realize he can't walk behind him because

1376
01:31:55.680 --> 01:31:58.920
there's a big taiale there. So
they did this. It's just it's awful.

1377
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:01.600
This like digital. They make Harrison
Ford kind of pop up and back

1378
01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:05.560
down again as he's walking like the
show always he's stepping up. It looks

1379
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:09.000
it looks like I did it,
and I don't know how to do it

1380
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:12.279
like that. It looks so it
looks so clear. I can't it looks

1381
01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:14.840
so bad. I can't believe they
were like, yeah, let's let's do

1382
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.479
it, let's put it out there. I can't. I really cannot believe

1383
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:20.560
that they that they approve that it
looks so bad. I just the fans.

1384
01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:27.279
They want so badly to have the
original trilogy unmessed with. And granted,

1385
01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:30.199
there were other tweaks that were made
through various releases, little little things

1386
01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:33.359
that were done to it, you
know, in the years before they did

1387
01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:36.479
the big thing in the nineties.
But I just give me like the digitally

1388
01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:42.720
cleaned up, fine remastered but original
call Star Wars Classic Caught whatever you want.

1389
01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:45.239
I know George Lucas is completely dead
set against it. I'm ever doing

1390
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:48.039
and releasing that, And I don't
know if Disney is part of their deal

1391
01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:53.399
when they acquired the thing, agreed
to never ever release the original versions of

1392
01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:56.960
the film. But it really sucks
that we can't get a We can't get

1393
01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:00.079
that. I can't get a four
K or blu ray copy of the original

1394
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:03.960
trilogy before they mess with it.
Like, I mean, Disney, I

1395
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:09.560
can't imagine them not having that in
the deal. You know, when they

1396
01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:12.920
run out of making more Star Wars
movies, they'll just reissue them all,

1397
01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:18.000
go back and repack and you're like
clashic version and stuff Wars whatever you want

1398
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.600
to call it. Yeah, yeah, I mean when you go into the

1399
01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:25.600
there's so many things that were so
advanced in that movie, but then when

1400
01:33:25.640 --> 01:33:29.279
you go to the cantina, some
of those are really bad. You know,

1401
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:32.399
those costume characters they were they were
like, you know, just mannequin

1402
01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:36.039
heads. They didn't have any moving
parts, you know, a lot of

1403
01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:42.319
pere just that's where they That's where
it's because the studio cut down in their

1404
01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:45.880
preproduction time, and that just ended
up costing them later as they said,

1405
01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:48.680
they cost them unity of costing them
twice as must to shoot some of these

1406
01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:53.399
things because they wouldn't let them have
a skeleton crew through an extra six weeks

1407
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:57.239
of pre pro to get things like
the alien costumes perfect and fine tuned.

1408
01:33:57.479 --> 01:34:00.319
And so there's there are moments in
it where the seams show a little bit

1409
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:02.399
where you realize, oh, this
was rushed. It's amazing that looks as

1410
01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:05.720
good as it does, but there's
still some moments that don't look Have you

1411
01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:11.520
been to that that cantina bar on
Hollywood Boulevard? I haven't. No,

1412
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.960
It's it's on the same block as
the Vine Street Cinema, and it really

1413
01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:19.520
is. It's it's made to look
like the cantina and it's got you know,

1414
01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:25.079
all the rocks and everything, and
the drinks were these really bizarre looking

1415
01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:30.199
concoctions and the most awful drinks you'll
ever imagine. But the guys are dressed

1416
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.840
like the bartender in the cantina,
and uh, it's it's interesting, you

1417
01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:36.920
know, it was like the Beetlejuice
bar they had going for a while,

1418
01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:40.800
but it's so you know, I
don't know if they're going to open it

1419
01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:45.319
again after this business, but but
it's it's right there on Hollywood and Vine

1420
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.960
practically. Do you have any other
carry Fisher stories? And what context did

1421
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:53.239
you meet her? Was it was
it during your ex's show that you met

1422
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:56.960
her? When? Yeah, he
when when we were together, he wanted

1423
01:34:57.000 --> 01:34:59.600
to meet her. He wanted to
be friends with her, that's what he

1424
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:01.319
wanted. That was before, a
way before he even had a show.

1425
01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:03.359
He's like, I want to know
her. I want to be friends with

1426
01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:06.560
her. So when he started the
ball rolling, he got her on as

1427
01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:10.920
a guest and they hit it off. So we you know, we saw

1428
01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:15.359
each other socially several times. So
I said, I want to misrepresent it

1429
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:16.960
as being friends. Like we called
each course, I mean, she called

1430
01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.279
the house, but it was like
I want to talk to you know,

1431
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:23.520
the other one, you know,
So it wasn't like we talked a whole

1432
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:26.520
lot. You know, we ended
up in the green room at you know,

1433
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:30.119
a couple of different things and ended
up having conversations. But it was,

1434
01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:32.960
you know, we weren't friends friends, so but she wasn't. She

1435
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:38.479
was a nice It's just funny,
funny for certain, absolutely funny. Actually

1436
01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:42.439
one of the last things she did
was my ex's show in London. Oh

1437
01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:45.960
yeah, there's the last interview she
did was that I knew she was on

1438
01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:47.680
a flight coming back from London.
I didn't realize that. Yeah, that's

1439
01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:50.479
what I think. She did his
show, and then she did another quick

1440
01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:56.560
game show and then she was on
the plane back when she had the heart

1441
01:35:56.560 --> 01:36:00.359
attack. Yeah, so it was
December twenty third, twenty sixteen flight from

1442
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:04.600
London to la and she suffered what
was described as a medical emergency on the

1443
01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:10.680
flight. Um. And then but
she survived and but then passed away four

1444
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:14.199
days later, um, at the
age of I believe sixty. She was,

1445
01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:17.199
Yeah, and Todd was saying,
Todd, her brother was saying that

1446
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:19.840
she you know, there was a
there was a while where they really thought

1447
01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:24.800
she might pull through although she had
been out for her heart a chap for

1448
01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:29.680
like ten minutes. So the odds
of them getting her out with little you

1449
01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:32.479
know, damage, right, that
great, but they you know, of

1450
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:36.079
course you hold hope. But eventually
that wasn't going to happen. And uh,

1451
01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:41.239
and she ended up passing away.
And then bizarrely, you know,

1452
01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:45.119
her mother died like the next day. It was like the most bizarre crazy

1453
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:49.600
Yeah, Debbie Reynolds. Debbie Reynolds, her mother suffered a stroke on December

1454
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:54.640
twenty eighth. So yeah, the
following day suffered a stroke and was pronounced

1455
01:36:54.680 --> 01:37:00.319
Dad at Cedar Sinai And Um,
I believe his brother was the one that

1456
01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:03.640
said that. Shortly before Debbie Reynolds
died, she said, I want to

1457
01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:09.560
be with Carrie. Yeah, that
she believed that that Carrie passing at least

1458
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:12.600
was a contributing factor to the stroke
that it hit her mom. So,

1459
01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.560
you know, I thought that was
going to be bs when I read those

1460
01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:19.079
quotes, but reading listening to his
entire fourteen hour book, I believe it.

1461
01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:24.560
And he's not representing himself differently than
he was there. He remembers it

1462
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:27.399
and he believed it that that was
what it was. These were as two

1463
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:30.079
closest people in his life, and
they didn't want to live with these Debbie,

1464
01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:33.079
they had a strained relationship a lot
of times, but she was extremely

1465
01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:38.720
protective of Carrie and had a special
you know, probably your favorite, I

1466
01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:44.359
guess, and so so yeah,
it was that was wild. The joint

1467
01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:49.960
funeral with the whole at the Forest
Lawn and Carrie's buried in the prozac bottle

1468
01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:55.000
or whatever prozac pill. Yeah,
so she supposedly some of her ashes are

1469
01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:58.119
buried next to her mother in Forest
Lawn and then the rest are in an

1470
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:01.319
urn that shaped like a giant prozac
pill, which you can see this is

1471
01:38:01.359 --> 01:38:05.800
with her mother. Yeah when there
okay, yeah, because that was like

1472
01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:09.880
her cookie jar or something at home. And uh and then when they were

1473
01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:13.319
looking for an earn for her.
Tom was like Billy to the daughter,

1474
01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:16.399
Billy, Uh, Billy Lord.
I think they thought that she would have

1475
01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:19.800
thought it was funny, and I
think they're probably right. The public definitely.

1476
01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:23.880
I mean, if you see everything
pictures of her house, it is

1477
01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:28.560
freaking wild house. Yeah. And
well, Billy, they were going to

1478
01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:30.720
sell the house when Billy decided to
keep the house and they're redoing it.

1479
01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:34.840
And they had that auction of all
their stuff, a lot of her stuff

1480
01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:40.079
and Debbie stuff because Debbie, you
know, saved those costumes and you know,

1481
01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:43.840
Debbie oh man, you know,
somebody deserves to be haunted by the

1482
01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:47.159
ghost of Debbie Reynolds because of the
lengths that she went to to save and

1483
01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:51.760
preserve Hollywood costumes. Uh, you
know, and and back in the seventies

1484
01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:55.960
when no one was doing it,
and she's you know, she got Maryland

1485
01:38:56.039 --> 01:38:58.880
seven year edge dressed, and she's
got the singing in the brain business,

1486
01:38:58.960 --> 01:39:01.439
and she's got all these costumes.
And this person said they were going to

1487
01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:04.760
help them. George Lucas said no. Steven Spielberg said, no, sell

1488
01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:08.279
the stuff. I suggest you sell
it. These people, you know,

1489
01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:11.560
they were gonna do this deal,
and it here it fell through, and

1490
01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:15.680
you know, finally she's like,
screw it, I'm old, I need

1491
01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:17.640
the money, and we're getting rid
of it. So all those costumes are

1492
01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:23.000
out into the world because no one
would give her her freaking museum. And

1493
01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:28.600
that just blows. And now ironically
there is a Ken Academy museum that Steven

1494
01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:33.279
Spielberg contributed many millions of dollars too. And now I guess according to Todd,

1495
01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:38.359
he said that Debbie he was going
to give them some of the Debbie

1496
01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:41.600
costumes that they ain't get rid of, and he says, I will only

1497
01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:45.319
give these two if you call it
the Debbie Reynolds wing or something. Yeah.

1498
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:48.359
So I don't know if that's going
to happen, but I know that

1499
01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:53.880
that was that was that was spoken. So and I hope so she really

1500
01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:57.239
got God, you know, she
got screwed. And if you if you

1501
01:39:57.279 --> 01:40:00.960
do that story at Debbie Reynolds and
those costumes, it is it's criminal or

1502
01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:05.319
what they what they did not do
for that heritage of that entire town,

1503
01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:10.680
of the entire industry. And you
know, she had like the original camera

1504
01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:14.319
that was used in Gone with the
Wind. You know, she saved everything.

1505
01:40:14.439 --> 01:40:17.039
She bought everything. She went broke
buying this stuff. And Carrie,

1506
01:40:17.359 --> 01:40:20.479
you know, they were they had, you know, a struggle of life,

1507
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:23.800
you know, the two of them
together. But Carrie was a big

1508
01:40:23.800 --> 01:40:26.680
proponent of that too, you know, trying to get things off the ground,

1509
01:40:26.680 --> 01:40:30.359
to get that museum done for her
mother. And and Todd was the

1510
01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:31.680
man who took care of all those
things. I don't know. It just

1511
01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:36.520
is really sad and that that is
that woman got screwed over, I think.

1512
01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:41.199
But anyway, speaking of people that
got screwed over, well, okay,

1513
01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:45.359
so Carrie passed away and she's buried
in a in a Prozac pill giant

1514
01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:49.600
which you can find pictures of online, her of her brother carrying it at

1515
01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:55.680
the memorial service. It's like the
size of a football. Yes, the

1516
01:40:56.159 --> 01:41:01.079
I'm trying to say that up for
in the Grammys, it did was up

1517
01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:04.680
for Best Album of the Year.
It's the Star Wars soundtrack, and they

1518
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:11.960
lost too. They'd lost to Fleetwood
Mac rumors they that's one in one Album

1519
01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:16.000
of the Year, and uh,
which is interesting. And do you know

1520
01:41:16.039 --> 01:41:20.800
what else happened in that ceremony the
Best Newcomer of the of the Grammys that

1521
01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:26.279
year, They were up for The
Cars were up for it the best Newcomer.

1522
01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:30.800
They lost over a group called A
Taste of Honey. Now do you

1523
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:34.399
do you remember a Taste of Honey? I think I remember the name,

1524
01:41:34.479 --> 01:41:39.159
but not really. It's a disco
song called Boogie Oogie Oogie to you just

1525
01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:44.199
can't Boogie no More. And that
is what the Cars as best Newcomer lost

1526
01:41:44.199 --> 01:41:50.079
out to. That. That is
something that is something that's always really bugged

1527
01:41:50.199 --> 01:41:55.319
me, and I always wanted to
say that out loud because it really always

1528
01:41:55.359 --> 01:42:00.680
bothered me a great deal. The
reason that the reason that the reason that

1529
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.039
John Williams did the Star Wars score
was asked to do it is because of

1530
01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:08.920
another film we've talked about. It's
because of Jaws, and Jaws had come

1531
01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:13.760
out the year before they went into
production on In fact, I think Jaws

1532
01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:16.800
was in post production while they were
in pre production on Star Wars, or

1533
01:42:16.840 --> 01:42:19.159
maybe it's something like that. They
were still in development, because it was

1534
01:42:19.279 --> 01:42:24.399
Star Wars was in development for a
couple of years. But regardless, George

1535
01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:27.800
Lucas of course his friends with Spielberg
and heard the score and liked it,

1536
01:42:27.800 --> 01:42:30.520
and Spielberg's was really enthusiastically. Oh, you got to meet this guy,

1537
01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:34.199
John Williams. He's great and he
does classical style orchestration, which is what

1538
01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:39.640
Lucas wanted. He wanted a big
classical score and the rest of his history.

1539
01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:45.439
And John Williams did the Washington Space
theme song on TV and he did

1540
01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:48.279
Value of the Dolls. He was
around. He was Johnny Williams of the

1541
01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:51.479
Value of the Dolls and the credits, and then you know, he went

1542
01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:57.600
on of course Raiders and Superman.
And I saw a video on YouTube recently

1543
01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:00.159
where there were these two guys I
think one of them had a trombone and

1544
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:03.880
one of them at a trumpet and
they stood in front of John Williams house

1545
01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:08.119
and started playing, yes, playing
the Star Wars. Did you see he

1546
01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:11.239
came out? Yeah, I think
I don't know, we didn't come out

1547
01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:14.279
something, but he came out.
He came out and talked to them.

1548
01:43:14.279 --> 01:43:15.720
It was he was really nice to
them. It was really cool. And

1549
01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:18.439
I don't know if that was a
planned thing or if it just happens that

1550
01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:23.279
he came out with home and came
out and yeah, he talked to him,

1551
01:43:23.359 --> 01:43:29.920
was really nice. Hold on one
second, I found this. I

1552
01:43:29.960 --> 01:43:33.920
think it was in my mom's records
or possibly in our friend Kelly's record collection.

1553
01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:39.039
I can't remember which, but uh
it is Dion Warwick in Valley of

1554
01:43:39.039 --> 01:43:45.159
the Dolls. Finally, Oh nice, nice, and that's beautiful. The

1555
01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:48.079
girl who made Alfie has done it
again with the theme from Valley of the

1556
01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:56.600
Dolls. So she's great, she's
great, want it, I'll take it?

1557
01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:58.760
Oh oh my god, Yeah I
don't have that. That'd be great.

1558
01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:00.119
I will put If you don't have
this, I will put it in

1559
01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:05.199
your collection. Awesome. So the
I just want to quickly. There's a

1560
01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:09.279
couple of other people I just want
to shout out. So there was Fraser,

1561
01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:15.840
Sheila Frasier was aunt Beru, who
was you know who adopted his Luke

1562
01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:20.119
Skywalker. She was fifty seven when
they made the movie. They wanted to

1563
01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:24.479
hire someone who was had a little
British accent. She was actually born in

1564
01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:29.960
Australia. Huge on the stage and
also did a lot of Hammer films.

1565
01:44:29.960 --> 01:44:32.520
Again, she was another person that
did the Hammer horror films the body snapped,

1566
01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:38.800
the body, steelers and etc.
But she died at the age of

1567
01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:44.319
seventy seven in two thousand. Phil
Brown played Uncle Owen, who was sixty

1568
01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:47.239
one when they made the movie.
And he's an interesting backstory. He was

1569
01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:53.479
blacklisted during the McCarthy era. Yeah, and he was born in He was

1570
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:57.359
born in Massachusetts and he was never
a part of the Communist Party or anything,

1571
01:44:57.399 --> 01:45:00.079
but he was. It was guilt
by association. He was in a

1572
01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:03.960
an actors group. That was that
they suspected. So he got blacklisted in

1573
01:45:03.960 --> 01:45:06.880
fifty two. And yeah, he
fled to England. And the reason he

1574
01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:12.680
got the part is he's from Massachusetts
and George Lucas wanted an actor with a

1575
01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:15.560
kind of ironic, kind of funny
that Frazier needed to be a British accent,

1576
01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:20.000
but he wanted uncle Owen to have
a heavy American accent. And there

1577
01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:25.319
was this there was this American from
Massachusetts who's living in England where they're filming.

1578
01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:30.279
So the part. Yeah, I
wonder what the what the reasoning was

1579
01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:33.800
for that, because obviously there was
right, you know that she should be

1580
01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:36.960
she should have a British accent,
he have an American one. Nothing is

1581
01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:41.560
done accidentally, so yeah, I
wonder what that was. And he said

1582
01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:44.960
that they wanted to cast a kur
mudgeon and he was naturally a kurmudgeon,

1583
01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:49.279
so it was easy for him to
play the role. Yeah. He passed

1584
01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:53.079
away in February ninth, two thousand
and six, from pneumonia. He was

1585
01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:59.000
eighty nine. He was in Chaplain
too, wasn't he He was a projectionist

1586
01:45:59.000 --> 01:46:01.720
in Chaplain. Was I just watched
that again, like two days ago.

1587
01:46:01.760 --> 01:46:06.279
I didn't even because I know the
Coveney was the camera operator um for like

1588
01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:10.319
the Max Sinnett stuff and some of
the other films that they had him do.

1589
01:46:10.479 --> 01:46:12.840
I didn't. Yeah, man,
now I gotta watch it again so

1590
01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:16.840
I can find Uncle Owen. But
yeah, he can't. I mean,

1591
01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:20.840
he came back to America and he
was doing the conventions. He loved it.

1592
01:46:20.840 --> 01:46:24.680
He was eating it up, you
know. So uh so he really

1593
01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:29.600
enjoyed the notoriety. Not bad for
a you know, on probably three minutes

1594
01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:32.159
screen time right the most, you
know, so good for him. But

1595
01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:35.479
he had a name, and he
didn't he wasn't covered up by you know,

1596
01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:39.039
a mask, so it was his
face you see on screen, So

1597
01:46:39.079 --> 01:46:42.000
I can see, Yeah, it's
uncle Ohen. Everybody recon would recognize him.

1598
01:46:42.079 --> 01:46:45.439
Yeah, I could see how it
would. Andrew with the Blue Milk

1599
01:46:45.199 --> 01:46:53.319
rum. And the last one was
that Jack Purvish guy. I didn't know

1600
01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:56.840
he was Kenny Baker's friend, but
he was the chief Chatwa and uh and

1601
01:46:57.159 --> 01:47:03.279
uh and he died in Hertfordshire and
in ninety seven. So uh. Now

1602
01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:06.720
there was another one I thought was
a pretty weak special effect where the Jawa's

1603
01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:14.359
eyes they were like they they look
like flashlights. Basically. Yeah, that

1604
01:47:14.439 --> 01:47:15.760
was bad. That was bad.
So I don't know if he if he

1605
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:20.479
touched those up. I only saw
that updated version once. Um, it's

1606
01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:25.640
been as many years since I used
to have the eight millimeter black and white

1607
01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:29.439
you know, a little three minute
roll of Star Wars. They probably still

1608
01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:32.479
have it somewhere and um, but
it was interesting because you know, how

1609
01:47:32.479 --> 01:47:36.399
do you how do you put a
you know, full length movie into you

1610
01:47:36.439 --> 01:47:40.479
know, an eight minute eight millimeter
black and white thing, you know with

1611
01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:44.840
subtitles because there was no sound and
uh and uh, but you could really

1612
01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:47.239
see I remember seeing the tie fighters
and you know how the tie fighters would

1613
01:47:47.239 --> 01:47:50.600
spin when they were when they were
you could see how in black and white

1614
01:47:50.600 --> 01:47:54.920
you could see the different cuts and
how they how they edited it together.

1615
01:47:55.560 --> 01:47:59.720
You know, they just fox was
just throwing stuff out there just making anything

1616
01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:02.239
they could for marketing. I mean, they just they didn't care and they

1617
01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:05.880
were just throwing it out there.
But um, but yeah, do you

1618
01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:16.159
know what do you know what TIE
stood for? No twin ion engine engine.

1619
01:48:16.199 --> 01:48:19.640
So there you go, there's a
bit of of That's why TIE fighting.

1620
01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:23.800
That's why it's always spelled capital T, capital I, capital E because

1621
01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:30.159
it's initials for something. Yeah.
Ye wow, there's so many Yeah,

1622
01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:34.199
just um, yeah, it was
iconic that movie was. It's been a

1623
01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:38.439
lot to me when it came out, and I loved it. I loved

1624
01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:42.399
it and uh, and obviously it
still has staying power. We're still talking

1625
01:48:42.399 --> 01:48:45.560
about it. You know, it's
still a referenced all the time when they

1626
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:48.920
carrying those guys are brought on is. I think they called them legacy performers

1627
01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:53.239
when they were coming in for the
last batch of Star Wars movies. Yeah,

1628
01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:57.319
bringing the three of them back and
uh and the other guys that were

1629
01:48:57.359 --> 01:49:01.399
in costumes. The only the only
thing that disappointed me was that they never

1630
01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:06.520
had the three of them together again. They reunited. There was a scene

1631
01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:11.760
with Han and Leia together where they
kind of reunite, and then there's a

1632
01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:16.000
scene in the second film with Leia
and Luke together. But they never put

1633
01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:18.600
the three of them together, and
they weren't apparently we're going to because they

1634
01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:23.079
killed Han in the first film and
the first of the new films, so

1635
01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:26.920
I thought, well, maybe maybe
they were planning on finally putting them together

1636
01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:30.600
in the third film. But then
Carrie Fisher died before they made the third

1637
01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:32.640
film, and that screwed up their
plans. But they had killed Han Solo

1638
01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:36.000
off in the first one, so
he wasn't unless he was going to somehow

1639
01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:42.680
come back as a fourth ghost.
Well they see g I am back to

1640
01:49:42.760 --> 01:49:45.840
be younger before the first movie.
I mean I would have thought, yeah,

1641
01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:50.199
I mean, I guess they could
have always I don't know. I

1642
01:49:50.199 --> 01:49:53.680
don't know. I mean, they
killed Han off in the first episode in

1643
01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:56.760
the first episode, and you don't
see Luke until the last shot of that

1644
01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.880
movie, so that was they for
whatever reason, I don't know why they

1645
01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:01.920
we're never going to put the three
of them together on screen, even though

1646
01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:04.000
you got them all to come back. And I think it's kind of what

1647
01:50:04.039 --> 01:50:09.039
everybody it wasn't funny and Disney,
and Disney is always about that sort of

1648
01:50:09.079 --> 01:50:13.000
manipulating emotion. So you'd thought there
was all that hype with the three of

1649
01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:16.000
them coming back, and I'm sort
of surprised that Disney didn't do that.

1650
01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:19.399
Um but or maybe they want to. I don't want to be a toxic

1651
01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:23.399
I don't want to be a toxic
fan or whatever and get into the nitty

1652
01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:25.399
gritty of that. But that was
the one thing that stood out to me

1653
01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:29.319
as a disappointment was But Disney,
you know what, they're not stupid.

1654
01:50:29.399 --> 01:50:32.800
They probably do have that footage somewhere. They're just gonna redo it, you

1655
01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:35.840
know, rerelease it as the you
know, I'll bet you, I'll bet

1656
01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:40.760
you maybe you know, in another
ten twenty years. But because Lucas,

1657
01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:44.399
you know, they what Disney,
they sold it. I couldn't tell you

1658
01:50:44.439 --> 01:50:47.199
for how much, but they Lucas
sold it to them, and they already

1659
01:50:47.359 --> 01:50:50.640
made it back like in the first
movie. You know it was it was,

1660
01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:55.239
It wasn't the several billions of dollars
I believe that they paid for it.

1661
01:50:55.439 --> 01:50:58.239
Yeah, but they they made that
back in the first of the you

1662
01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:02.119
know, the last batch that they
did investment. And Lucas hates them because

1663
01:51:02.279 --> 01:51:06.680
they're doing things with characters. So
so yeah, I Disney. Yeah,

1664
01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:10.319
they're not stupid. They got all
this stuff and they can't. I'll bet

1665
01:51:10.399 --> 01:51:15.000
you. I'll bet you we'll see
it. Yeah. Oh, you bought

1666
01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:17.199
the four K disc set for one
hundred bucks. Well guess what. He

1667
01:51:17.279 --> 01:51:21.880
didn't get all of it. No, it is the super special Edition.

1668
01:51:23.720 --> 01:51:27.119
I'll buy it. No, Honestly, dude, if they if they put

1669
01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:30.760
the original trilogy un messed With on
four K disc, would I would pay

1670
01:51:31.159 --> 01:51:33.880
very good money. I would pay
premium money to tone a copy of that,

1671
01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:38.000
because it sucks that I have a
copy that I basically have to fast

1672
01:51:38.039 --> 01:51:41.760
forward the stuff I don't like whenever
I watch it. It just kind of

1673
01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:45.119
sucks. But some of the stuff
they messed with before they did the big

1674
01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:48.760
nineties thing was like they kept tweaking
the hologram with Leia when she does though

1675
01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:51.359
you know, help me over one, You're my only hope. Thing that

1676
01:51:51.439 --> 01:51:55.159
there are two unit plays. They
kept messing with that effect for some reason.

1677
01:51:55.239 --> 01:51:58.319
At one point they added scan lines
to it, and it seemed like

1678
01:51:58.399 --> 01:52:00.920
every time they came out with the
rereleased the film and they did something new

1679
01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:03.640
to that. I don't know why
they had. They took issue with how

1680
01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:08.279
that effect was done. I thought
it was fine the old versions that I

1681
01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:12.560
saw of it. But yeah,
I mean I'm saying this and I literally

1682
01:52:12.640 --> 01:52:15.800
just spent the last year updating one
of my own films and adding a bunch

1683
01:52:15.800 --> 01:52:18.600
of stuff into it and redoing the
color grade and stuff. Yeah, I

1684
01:52:20.600 --> 01:52:24.279
get that. Yeah, but when
you're talking about something that you know,

1685
01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:28.720
several millions of people are into kind
of it's again, it's like rush on

1686
01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:30.680
the Mona Lisa kind of thing.
You got to be really careful, you

1687
01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:36.640
don't you don't distract from uh,
you know what the original intention was.

1688
01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:45.319
Interest interesting how Carrie Fisher you know
her in that you know, tied up

1689
01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:48.359
in the slave girl thing. Oh
my god, people are that's like icon

1690
01:52:49.159 --> 01:52:57.399
That's like a lot of young men's
first thing was seeing Carrie Fisher a slug

1691
01:53:00.520 --> 01:53:03.720
that is um Yeah, that that
turned it. I was surprised at how

1692
01:53:04.319 --> 01:53:12.199
iconic that became, how many people
attribute that to their first crush. And

1693
01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:15.720
it was great behind the scenes photos
of her and her double laying and sunning

1694
01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:21.399
themselves in the desert between takes,
lounging and I think those costumes, I

1695
01:53:21.439 --> 01:53:25.680
think they're both in the costumes,
so definitely I think they're both definitely skimpily

1696
01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:28.760
clothed in this uh in the sun
bathing shot. I think they're in those

1697
01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:32.600
costumes, but I can't remember.
But yeah, yeah, cool, all

1698
01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:35.479
right, did we do it?
Did we do Star Wars? I think

1699
01:53:35.520 --> 01:53:40.079
we did? Yeah. That was
h yeah, it was It was a

1700
01:53:40.159 --> 01:53:44.720
lot of that was really interesting.
I'm really I found that fascinating. Not

1701
01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:46.880
in a way that you know,
it's really interesting about me, Mike,

1702
01:53:47.319 --> 01:53:53.720
you know, I just I'm like
an actor. I just like people to

1703
01:53:53.800 --> 01:53:58.319
hear me talk. Yeah. Yeah, so um but yeah, that was

1704
01:53:58.359 --> 01:54:01.039
fun. Thanks, that was cool. Thank you guys. We will see

1705
01:54:01.039 --> 01:54:06.319
you guys next time and um we
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1707
01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.640
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1708
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1709
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1710
01:54:26.279 --> 01:54:31.359
think I froze? So It's Dearly
Departed with Scott Michaels is the name of

1711
01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:33.880
the channel on YouTube. Yeah,
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1712
01:54:33.880 --> 01:54:39.279
you got like sixty thousand followers and
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1713
01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:42.479
Yes, that's awesome. So,
and Scott puts up all kinds of

1714
01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:46.439
extra content he went through. Uh, was it Rock Hudson's Rolodex that you

1715
01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:51.680
recently did? Yes? Yes,
yeah, and that's cool. Did you

1716
01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:56.199
see the why I had that opened
up? I had that Ted Cassidy life

1717
01:54:56.279 --> 01:54:59.840
mask lurch from the Adams Family.
Oh my god. I mean it's like,

1718
01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:04.159
it's like this, it's massive.
That was likened fairly recently too.

1719
01:55:04.840 --> 01:55:10.920
So yeah. So check out Dearly
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01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:13.920
at it, and we will see
you. We are going to make it

1721
01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:16.159
out of the twenty seven club.
We will see you with episode twenty eight

1722
01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:23.279
in a few weeks. May the
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