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six also live chat atocelly dot com. And uh, there's a few people

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in there. I'm gonna go take
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we get Bpete's video clip of the
week, he picks out his favorite music

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video for that week. I don't
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anyway. B Pete, First,
how you doing? But second I never

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asked you. How do you even
pick those things? The video of the

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week? Oh? An? The
other week's pretty simple. I mean,

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if something's come out new, I'll
throw it up there. But usually it's

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a miss massive stuff I either grew
up with or some some out of the

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ordinary individuals, either instrumentally or groups, but from all over the world.

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But tonight's pick was a Korean K
pop group that just finished tour in the

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States late last year like I don't
know, I guess August, no,

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September, October. Then they went
out on the jingle Balls the iHeart jingle

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Balls tour for Christmas, came back
to the States hit like six big cities

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and then just released their second album
right after the first of the year here.

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So last week we heard their title
track. This is their B side

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that they released, and it's all
reference to a former member and stuff that

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they've been going through. But they
had one song off this album that was

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actually banned from KBS television in Korea
because of the suggestive lyrics. And Korea

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is a unique place. They have
a very very strong patriarchal system that has

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been in place for centuries, and
there's a lot of ways that they wouldn't

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really mesh intoday's American society or Europe. Well, some europe still carry that

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same patriarchal overtone to what's going on. I mean, Switzerland didn't allow women

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to vote in all their cantons until
what seventy four, seventy six something like

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that. Really all the last content
canton finally caved in. But this group

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has been creating some stir in that
they're fighting all these old traditions with what

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they're doing with their music, and
it's really created a big buzz and they're

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becoming very popular here in the States. Is that what you like about Cats?

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I want to ask you, is
that what you like about k pop,

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like the lyrical content, the fact
that there's still that societal struggle that

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you know harkens back to I don't
know, our nineteen fifties when you know,

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people were getting together in communities and
protesting rock and roll is the music

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of the devil. Don't play it
on the radio, you'll harm the children

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home. Is it back to that? Yeah? Good, No, It's

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like when hip hop was big here. It started to pick up. There's

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a group called Epic Hi and it
was three guys in Korea that started to

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take rap and hip hop. And
really this is like a second generation group,

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which is back in the say,
two thousand and eight to two thousand

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and fourteen era. Back in that
day, k pop used to be kind

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of Korea's top forty bubblegum. But
there's this huge industry you look at like

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Disney and Nickelodeon and companies like that
that have these farms where they find these

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kids, they train them in all
these diverse aspects of acting, singing,

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dancing, blah blah blah, you
know, and they become famous. Look

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at Selena Gomez and the rest of
Ariana Grande. All of them came out

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of the Disney School. Well,
over there, it's I mean the industry

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dwarfs that over here. They have
like weekly competition shows that all of these

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groups that are premiering with new music
go out and they compete against each other.

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It's a huge industry over there,
and it's just amazing to watch their

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culture. But there's so many things
that was just cookie cutter. This group

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looked like that group. They all
sounded the same, They all basically had

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the same formula. Okay from the
big entertainment companies. This company is a

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small company that formed this group and
since they debuted, they have been set

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in records as they go there.
The girl who is their leader was in

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all of these competitions like Unpretty Rap
Star, where they had like ten girls

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go at each other who could perform, rite, and produce the best rap.

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They had another show called Produce one
oh one where all of the entertainment

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industry sent these people to it and
they competed against each other. The top

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winners formed a group and went on
and they promoted the group. It didn't

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last very long, didn't hold together. Sounds like the American idol phenomenon.

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Speed is what it sounds like.
Y'all. Well, yeah, in fact,

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it probably started what you're seeing,
what you saw migrate to England and

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then the voice and all that and
then came over here started probably you could

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say it started in Southeast Asia case
there. Okay, So a you telling

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me, is this kind of idea
about you know, putting it out to

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the public and having them vote in
this kind of thing which we saw emerge

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here in the early two thousands pretty
much right here in America. Was was

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already a thing there? Or did
they pick it up from us? Or

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well it it was kind of it
kind of bloomed at the same time,

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but they perfected it. They've turned
it into just a huge industry. You

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think, you know, American idol
over here is something it's nothing compared to

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what it is over there. Well
it was huge, Well it was huge,

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right, And but the thing is
it, you know, like most

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trends in America, right, they
have a shelf life. And I mean

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I found it interesting that you said
when hip hop was big, well which

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time hip hop was big? Because
hip hop has been big, big,

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big, big at certain times where
it just dwarfs everything else in the music

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industry. I would say, yeah, I would say the era after two

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thousand oh okay, and and there
are groups. Epic High was a group

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that came along. There's a lot
of individual rappers. The rap business in

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Korea is different in that the language
kind of creates a barrier. So some

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of the first guys that got into
rapping Korea had to actually sit down and

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of a way not only lyrically,
but keeping the beats to convert Korean into

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a form that you could put into
rap. It's amazing the songs. There's

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a rap section in this song that
the leader performs. In fact, you

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know most of their songs there will
be a rap section in it. That's

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how she got her start. But
she has gone on. She has challenged

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the business to the point that when
they started out, they looked at everything

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that they did and they were very
cautious. They said, Okay, we're

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going to debut this new group,
but to be honest, we don't have

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a name for him and we don't
have any music for them. So the

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girl that started that was the head
of this group sat down and started writing.

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She just got admitted to the Korean
Official Music Offers registry. She's that

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good now She's had hit after hit
after hit, and she's fighting this male

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dominated business over there. She sat
down and made a comment she wanted to

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she wanted to do this song in
this way, and they kind of bucked

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her. And she puts a PowerPoint
presentation together and goes and convinces them one

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on what they're going to call the
band and or group, and two what

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their first song is going to be. And from there she took off.

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They're one of the only groups in
K pop that write and produce their own

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music. Most of the music is
written by three or four of the members.

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See what I'm hearing here, b
Pete is a whole bunch of trends

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that disappeared in America. You know, the music business shifted around and continues

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to shift constantly. It's a very
fast moving industry. You know, if

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you get in that business five years
later, everything you do, everything that

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you relied on to be absolutely successful
and was perfectly workable, could be totally

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irrelevant in five years without question.
H true. And it's really look at

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the independent market over here. You
know a lot of the bigger labels that

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were consumed by CBS and and and
you know, all the big labels back

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in the seventies and the eighties that
we listened to coming up right, those

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companies have changed so much and have
fragmented so much that it's the independent labels

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now that you see a lot of
the music coming out in the States,

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Canada, well, I bet you
can say North America. But with the

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advent of the web, artists can
get their music out there directly to their

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to their fans. Over in Korea, it's all industry driven. It's all

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entertainment companies that are pumping this out. I mean, you'd think Disney pumps

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out kids for the business. Korea, You've got sixer well probably six or

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seven big companies over there. They're
pumping out, you know, two three

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bands a year to see what will
will take hold. It's for these for

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these women to be able to buck
the system. She the leader of this

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group, gian Soyon. She made
the comment one time. She went to

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her bosses and said, look,
we want to do this, and they

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said, well, that's production work, and she goes, well yeah,

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and they said, well, well
well you don't. You can't do that.

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She said why, I said,
because you're a you're a girl.

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She said, what's that got to
do with it? So she's taken over

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to the point now that the company
has told her, you don't have to

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tell us what you want to do, you tell us what you need to

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do it. So they go out
and spend one point one billion one about

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eight hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars
on a music video and one point eight

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million pre sales of their albums.
I mean, they started out in twenty

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eighteen and they have taken over the
business. It's amazing to see their their

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all that it is. All you're
describing to me, though, is stuff

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that has happened here in America faster
and disappears quicker. It just lasts longer

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over there. Like everything begins with
the organic independent Okay, that's usually the

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trend maker, and then it is
co opted by a corporate entity and then

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somebody comes up with a way to
mechanize it. I mean, i'll give

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you an example. Boy groups,
Right, We're a thing that you know,

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some lunatic came up with. You
know, the many different independent producers

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that were out there decided, you
know what, I'm gonna put together a

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boy group, not based on I'm
gonna go find talent. I'm gonna go

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find guys I can market just as
them, and then I'll teach them how

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to sing and stuff. And what
did we get. We got that in

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the eighties, briefly the eighties and
the nineties, we got the you know,

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beginning with examples really taken from other
cultures like Menudo, they turn around

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and grab up guys and create what
new kids on the block, right,

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And the way that the big difference, the big difference here in this group,

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and this is one reason why this
group stands out the way that they

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do is that there is every I
would say ninety six percent of all the

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music that they had put out has
been written by four of the members in

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the group and produced by those members. So these these are individuals who had

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definitely have the talent. And that's
like last week, you know, this

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big one point one billion dollar production
that they put into a music video.

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That's another thing that I like about
the Korean music. You see a lot

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of the music video talent that the
film making that goes into this and the

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companies that can produce this stuff.
It's amazing. It's a shame that MTV

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became what it became again, they
lost an art form, but that we

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don't get to see as much.
Yeah, but the use to do it

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here. We can even go back
to the cities with the monkeys, right,

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we could go back to the monkeys
where it was like, let's put

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together this fake group for TV and
then they had to learn how to play

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their instruments, right you know.
Yeah, well, see this is the

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exact opposite. These are five people
who were talented the god they came together.

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I mean, the think of it
this way, marketing wise, you

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started out with six individuals who on
their own are all the equivalent of supermodels

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when it comes to the advertising that
they've done for you name it, Fendi

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and other companies. But then they
all have talent to be able to sit

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down write their own music, produce
their own music, and come up with

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these music videos, right, and
it's just amazing the amount of input that

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they have. What you see with
g IDL is not the reflection of an

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entertainment company. It's those five individuals
one left, and that's kind of explained

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in this latest video. But those
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it's actually setting the industry on its
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I'm saying. But Here's the thing
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you know, they didn't have experience
doing anything to begin with, right,

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So what did they do? They
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this kind of work production whatever,
and they said okay. So and that's

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what I'm saying. This group of
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experience doing things. I mean,
yes, they went as trainees to this

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company, right, but most of
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that got them in that company.
Oh, let's put it that way.

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Well, but see, but that
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is that things start out organically.
Like you know, you mentioned hip hop.

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clubs and stuff, right, So
these guys were turning around looping stuff together,

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you know, putting together classical music
and you know, and and James

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then people started rapping over it,
then it became a thing. You know,

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I've talked about on I don't know
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another one, where you know,
we were talking about hip hop and the

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evolution I remember clearly here and you
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part of run DMC necessarily. He
was just a dude spinning records, right,

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and he just mixed stuff together and
it was interesting and think about what

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that evolved into, you know.
But the thing is it always starts on

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some level where an artist creates something, you know, much like you could

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go all the way to the guys
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the record companies were like, we
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we don't know how to sell this, and they went out and did their

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own thing. And then the next
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know, brought into the industry and
they're they're one of the biggest acts.

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And then they were one of the
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through the site where you know,
the old way of doing things doesn't even

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fit with the old Cypress Hill model. And it just moves very very quickly

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here in the US. I mean, even if you go to the grunge

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and you know, the other things
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came out of la you know,
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a five year life to anything here. It doesn't matter what kind of music

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it is, and it'll go from
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an innovation to next thing, you
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and then the corporations grab it and
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Way Punk with Green Day, you
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started out as an organic, you
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And nowadays these groups are assembled by
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things that start out on YouTube and
get picked up. It's just it's a

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it's really like chaos at the moment
in America with this. But but still

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there's room for stuff like the Disney
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that stuff goes all the way back
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creations and you know, pumping certain
people as we're gonna make you a teen

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idol, and they used to be
very successful. As soon as they invested

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in enough money, they can make
anybody big. And I'm talking about going

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back to Eddie Arnold and people like
that. I'll tell you a weird thing

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that I discovered actually not too long
ago, and I felt that I knew

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the history of this particular artist pretty
well, but I didn't. You remember

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Ronnie James Dio. Okay, so
the guy who you know, ended up

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saying and rained without I think if
I did deep enough, I think I

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got a d O album in my
stack. Well you might, but I

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bet you there's one thing you don't
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rare, which is Ronnie James Dio
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They were trying to sell a mess. Okay. Remember Frank Sinatra was

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actually like a teeny bopper idol kind
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marketing him as that, and he
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the chops. I know, it
sounds weird that the weird little short guy

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with the funky hair, and yeah, he was being marketed as like,

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you know, a Sinatra style teen
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it didn't work out. They couldn't
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that you know happen here and there. But it used to be that just

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by sheer will, it didn't matter
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been super talented, they might not
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mean, you well know the stories
about other songwriters creating stuff like you know,

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we go to the foundation of rock
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how the blues artists got all picked
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I mean, these different evolutions really
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lifespan, and they go from like
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The guy who might be sitting there
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the street corner, goes all all
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then dies on the vine within five
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it's pretty wild to me. I
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that has continued and baffles me is
the modern contemporary country stuff has continued to

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evolve. I thought it would have
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because country music has often reverted right
back to the very basic, rot gut

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bluegrass, you know, those kind
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very basic, and it usually goes
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now for a good couple of decades. That's the only trend that I haven't

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seen revert back and these things expand
and contract continuously, and it's not all

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based on popularity, and it's not
all based on money. It's a weird

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cultural phenomena that is in constant flux
in America different than the rest of the

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world. Trends last longer in the
rest of the world. And it's funny

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to me because one of the most
short lived trends in America is always pop

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music and stuff that K pop might
be, you know, in the same

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bin as in America. That stuff
changes so rapidly here that they would have

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no time and there would be no
point in investing the kind of money that

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you're even talking about, you know, for these K pop bands here,

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except that they're now crossing over because
we have more of a global you know,

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shared pop culture now and they continue
to grow so but Korea will be

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no longer. I mean, that's
what you're discussing and what I'm taking from

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it. Yeah, in two thousand, No. Twenty twenty two, I

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think it was, Yes, the
nine top selling albums in the US were

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by the Korean boy group BTS.
There their rage, it's slight, they

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missed the wave. They're finally the
Korean music scene is finally starting to hit

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and break into the US scene.
You saw it back in the early two

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thousands with groups like Big Bang and
twenty one that were from YG Entertainment.

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He just got busted on a big
gambling scheme coming over here. And that's

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funny thing Koreans. It's against law
of gambling Korea, and it's against the

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law for Koreans to gamble outside of
Korea, and they can bust you for

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it when you come back. He
and a bunch of other guys went to

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Vegas, and there's a whole bunch
of other crap that went on. But

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I was just going to ask you. You mean to tell me that Koreans

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can go to Vegas, return home
and get busted for stuff they did in

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America. That's that's the way that
works. Wow, Okay, No,

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I had no idea about that.
That's that's pretty well. But well,

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I'll give you an example. Twenty
one was a girl group formed by YG.

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When they debuted in two thousand and
nine, they broke records. They

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have a thing that in Korea that's
called a perfect all kill. And for

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you to get a perfect all kill, you have the top eight music charts

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and the Daily Active Charts number one
at the same time, and it's rare

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to do this. One group had
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She hit two perfect all kills within
three years of each other. This

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group, g Idol, has had
two perfect all kills twice back to back

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in the same year, which is
a very rare thing. There's only been

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like four groups to do it.
But twenty one made some inroads in the

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US. In fact, they busted
the Billboard Top two hundred, which surprised

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everybody when they were able to do
it. So that's been a goal since

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early two thousands, is to crack
into the US market and if you can,

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if you can debut on Billboard's Top
two one hundred, you've done something.

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top nine selling albums two years ago
was BTS. It's amazing the enroads that

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they've made, so you're gonna see
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here. G Idol has pulled two
US tours already back the year, back

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to back years and have been very
successful. They're moving up on the venues

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to where before long they'll be able
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I mean, they're becoming that popular. So it's it's amazing to see

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the change and see the wave hit
over here, because you've got to realize

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over there, all of your airwaves
are controlled by the government in South Korea,

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your radio stations, your TV stations. It's not like it would be

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like Britain but not. But it's
just been so hard for them to break

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into the US market, mainly because
most of their songs are written in for

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and perform in Korean, and that's
not, you know, something that a

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lot of people pick up. So
this album that they did just a couple

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of months ago with eighty eight Rising. Eighty eight Rising is a company in

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California that's trying to promote Asian artists
in the US. They making Trainer was

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one of the co writers on one
of the songs. They got people to

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provide music for Idle to do in
an all English album, and it's done

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very well. I mean, it's
surprised a lot of people. But it's

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things like that that they're doing that
is going out of the norm. But

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the biggest thing that they're doing is
they're changing the industry in Korea, which

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is what's creating such such a stir. You know, females didn't used to

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walk into boardrooms and go I need
one point one billion one for an MV

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and they go, okay, we'll
split it with you fifty fifty. She

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goes, okay, deal. Well, you know that's how good she's come.

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Well and as per usual. Look, they adjusted here in America too.

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I mean, you know, for
a long time, artists weren't even

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allowed to do on their master tapes, and women couldn't say crap. I

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mean they were just where's your manager, lady? You know, up until

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a certain point, I mean,
the industry's shift and move and uh,

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you know, this is an interesting
discussion about the business of music and also

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the trends of popular culture. So
I find this fascinating and we could be

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open to any discussion tonight. By
the way, guys, so again three

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p one nine five two seven five
zero one six you can join in and

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discuss it with us. But uh, you know, hey, this is

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great. I love it when you
got something that you could really roll through

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and we uh, I guess we
should call you the resident K pop expert

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here on the network because there's yeah, you know, it's it's amazing the

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talent that they've got over there that
a lot of people haven't realized that,

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especially in the rap scene, and
it's it's hard. Not anybody can rap.

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You know. When EM and M
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were sitting there going, this white
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him and thought, oh my god, he's become one of the greatest over

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there. They have a lot of
artists that basically had to go underground because

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they were being censored so much by
throwing things in their wrap about the societal

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problems that they're dealing with, you
know, the homeless, mental health,

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things like that that are to boose
subjects over there. Mental health is something

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There was a member of that group, twenty one who had lived over here

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in the States and gone to school. She went back to Korea three straight

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years to audition for this company,
and they finally accepted her, thinking if

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she's got that much determination, then
she's going to do well. She's the

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one to turn around and hit two
perfect doll kills back to back. But

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she was being treated for ad D. This was before ADHD came along,

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and they've really not had a good
medication to use for that, so they

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use ADHD medications. Know the problem
that's going to come into this story,

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Go ahead, yeah, yeah.
So she's over in Korea. They're going

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on a world tour. She's busy
with their Asian section of the tour going

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on. She can't make it back
to the States to her doctor. So

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they mail her prescription for adderall to
Korea. But when they did it,

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family member over here got the prescription
filled from her doctor at the university where

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she had been treated when she was
going to school over here, sent them

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in the mail. Well, all
the mail goes through Inshon Airport in Korea,

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and it was inspected and they found
the drug. So they let the

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box go on to be delivered and
then went to where it was delivered to

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bust whoever received it. Big scandal. The thing was they investigated this.

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She showed them her prescriptions, she
showed them her medical records, blah blah

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blah. They said, oh,
okay, fine, However, this drug

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is not legal here because it has
a bit of methamphetamine in it, and

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all methamphetamine is illegal. So when
they let them go, they let her

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go. She changed her medication to
a Korean medication. And it didn't work

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to well. She had some health
problems from him. But anyway, the

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story was actually broke four No,
it happened in two thousand and ten.

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Yeah, twenty and fourteen, when
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those students drowned in the ferry accident. Everybody was, yeah, so this

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has happened. And then and the
government's getting a lot of flak for slow

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reaction and all that. A reporter
with a news organization over there released the

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story then that four years earlier,
Park Boum was investigated for drug smuggling.

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Well, boom, the whole world
in Korea went nuts. This was Korea's

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darling. This was, you know, a member of twenty one who was

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an entertainer tied to a company who
had had some problems with some of their

409
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members smoking a joint in the past. So it got blown all out of

410
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:21.440
proportion. They immediately put the band
on hiatus. After a year of them

411
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.319
not doing anything, one of the
members came up and said, hey,

412
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.400
I was promised a solo. I
haven't had a chance to do it.

413
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.599
Are we going to read it to
goo? To our contracts up for a

414
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:34.960
negotiation what are you going to do? They would not allow her to do

415
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:40.279
a solo project, so she didn't
renew her contract and left. Well,

416
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:44.160
that leaves the band down to three
people. The other three members didn't find

417
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.839
out that the company disbanded them.
This was in April when this person left.

418
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:55.720
It was November when the company announced
in the news that the band was

419
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.519
disbanded. The group was no longer
and the other three members and find out

420
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.039
about it until it came out in
the news. I mean, that's how

421
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:10.920
shifty they were about doing this,
so it can it completely changed those four

422
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:19.160
members and the amount of pool that
they had in the business. Now Park

423
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.680
Boum has come back from that.
She's now a solo artist. But it's

424
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:29.039
amazing how some little societal thing like
that can completely ruin somebody's life. It's

425
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:35.960
sport in Korea for these people to
find dirt on idols and actors and important

426
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:43.880
people. So there's so much tied
society wise to this whole idol complex.

427
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:49.359
It's amazing. And to watch the
interaction between things happening and companies doing this

428
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.880
and companies doing that, it's crazy. I mean, it's like its own

429
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:58.880
ky drama to watch what goes on
in this industry. It's so chaotic,

430
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.880
but it's so open, and there's
so many things that you know, the

431
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:06.119
public knows about because people are reporting
on them. Like I said, it's

432
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.000
a sport to try to take down
an idol over in Korea, and they

433
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:13.359
do it. Is they call them, you know, Korean citizens, but

434
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:17.200
on the they're nedicine so k nets
is the term that they use to describe

435
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.200
these folks. But it's just amazing. It's you know, it's to watch

436
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:25.440
the microcosm of what goes on over
there related to business over here. Yeah.

437
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.799
Well look, I mean it is, uh, it is what it

438
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.880
is. I mean, it's they
it's sport over there. It's sport everywhere

439
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.240
to try and take down people that
are prominent in the media. I mean,

440
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.599
that's what I tell you to show
you the difference when people over here

441
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:44.799
found out what had gone on the
four years before and thought, well,

442
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.079
no, wonder they didn't buster the
girl had a prescription for the medication and

443
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.240
it's handed out here like you know, skittles, right, so nobody could

444
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.359
understand what the big deal was.
But in Korea, you don't even discuss

445
00:33:55.480 --> 00:34:00.559
mental health issues on TV and things
like that. It's one of these things,

446
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.880
these idols, some of these idols
are driven to the point of suicide

447
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.440
for the amount of harassment that they
get from the citizens over there. It's

448
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:15.880
an unspoken problem that this group,
in particular g Idol, is starting to

449
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.280
address in a lot of their music, and that's what's got a lot of

450
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.440
people stirred up. Now you get
her, you know, opening her own

451
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.639
doors within the industry. I wouldn't
be surprised to see this group when it

452
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:31.920
comes time for renewal, go independent
and the leader of their group be running

453
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:37.679
her own production company in the next
five years. So with that, you

454
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.280
know. Obviously Bepat is a huge
fan of this kind of stuff, keeps

455
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.480
track of all of it, including
the controversies, right, you know,

456
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:51.719
stuff that I never even please.
I'm not even vaguely aware of this stuff.

457
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.280
I'm vaguely aware of the music,
so totally uneducated and uninitiated here.

458
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.920
So this is all brand new to
me. But let's see about our caller,

459
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.920
and we got one on the line. Anybody else can join us three

460
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:07.199
one nine, five seven five zero
one six Uh, And I'm gonna ask,

461
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.320
hey, Jimmy James, are are
you a big K pop fan or

462
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:17.920
what. No, I can't say
I am. I had a feeling you

463
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.719
weren't. Did you want to ask? Is that in your on that trip

464
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.440
when you went from Georgia to Texas? Is that what you guys jam two

465
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.280
and talked about. No, No, we did not. Uh. We

466
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:36.519
we had interesting conversations. We uh
listened to some regular old kind of like

467
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:43.440
classic rock stations, basically general FM
rock, uh pretty much, but most

468
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.360
of the time we were talking.
Actually I think BP right, Yeah,

469
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.719
we did. Uh. I never
cut on YouTube music. And like I

470
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.280
said, we didn't listen to a
lot of radio either, because there wasn't

471
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:58.239
a lot of radio to be found
along that stretch. That's probably the quietest

472
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.039
drive radio station wise. You know, you doze off and I'd sit there

473
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.519
and bounce through the radio and there'd
be nothing on. And when you did

474
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:07.920
settle in, like I said,
it was sort of like FM rock,

475
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:12.559
the you know, the throwback station, Remember the days when you used to

476
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.280
hit the scan button and we go
all the way through the numbers, right

477
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.400
back where you started and it didn't
pick anything up. There's a lot of

478
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.719
that between making in Dallas. Yeah, well I've only experienced that on roads,

479
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:28.840
honestly, but go ahead, Yeah, good Jimmy, that's weird.

480
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:34.559
Yeah, I was just saying that's
weird. I didn't know there were radio

481
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.880
deserts anymore. Yeah, pretty much. I mean there are spots in the

482
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:43.360
South, Jimmy that honestly, it's
like, Okay, there's the religious station,

483
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:49.480
and there's the FM rock station that's
from the nearest big city usually and

484
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.320
yeah, then you scan through and
there's nothing on the FM dial like for

485
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:59.639
a long time except for five NDR
stations with the most boring crap you don't

486
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.360
want to lose to when you're driving
to to put you to sleep. Well,

487
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.239
yeah that you got to switch to
AM to get those most of the

488
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.880
time, because I mean they're not
on FM. I mean, and there's

489
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.840
also this new kind of phenomena,
this new format of like the it's like

490
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:19.000
iHeartRadio and they have I don't know
where they're getting the DJs from and stuff,

491
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:24.000
but they advertise that they have podcast. I suspect that there is probably

492
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:30.480
guys that sell DJ sets to some
of these you know, entities, so

493
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.800
that you just send them a recording
of you doing a DJ set that fits

494
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.679
their format and boom. They probably
pay you a minimum amount and you consistently

495
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:44.559
send them to them, so they
have different rotations based on their based on

496
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:51.199
their format. I suspect that because
I've heard virtually the same guy in South

497
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:55.199
Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia
doing the same thing on one of these

498
00:37:55.199 --> 00:38:00.880
stations that does advertise that they're willing
to play podcasts and it's talk radio.

499
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:06.480
So I don't know what that means. iHeart iHeart Radio is supposedly the largest

500
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.320
provider of podcast content. Now.
Yeah, well, what they did is

501
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:14.639
they started sweeping up the radio stations. And in fact, that's how I

502
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:20.639
lost my AM and FM affiliates all
in one swoop, is because they were

503
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:24.880
scooping up groups of these little small
stations, right. And what happens is

504
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.360
a small company packages them together and
just you know, brings them to iHeartRadio

505
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.079
and they yeah, okay, what
do you got thirty stations? Cool,

506
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.519
here's your price done. They create
these large package deals and they just were

507
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.800
sucking up all the you know,
ten thousand watt the little tiny stations all

508
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:47.280
over the country, everything that isn't
a micro at them. You think about

509
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.039
it, though, most stations now
is all pre record and format anyway,

510
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.320
so you don't have i mean,
other than your morning shows, your drive

511
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.559
time most of the days, and
a lot of these stations, it's all

512
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:04.119
prepackaged programming, bought and sold and
digitally sent to them through satellite. You

513
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.960
know, they don't even have to
All they got to do is throw the

514
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.079
switch talk in the morning to make
sure the transmitters on. I mean,

515
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:14.559
other than that, everything's done by
digital remote now. Yeah. Well,

516
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:15.920
and the thing is they still have
the light. You know. Basically you're

517
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.480
selling the license, and some of
them still have property and buildings that they

518
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.159
hardly need because now there's no staff. You know, you got maybe a

519
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:28.960
couple of salespeople, and some of
them you know, went to for years

520
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.800
selling airtime as well, where it
was just like, look, we're going

521
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:37.960
to make our bills by not going
and getting commercial advertisers, but coming to

522
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:39.960
people like me and saying, hey, look, you want your show on

523
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.440
in uh, you know, Atlanta, no problem we have. If you

524
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.719
pay us a certain amount per hour, we'll run whatever you send us into

525
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.920
recording, and you can sell your
own advertising if you like, whatever you

526
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.760
want to do. And they just
charge a flat rate and depending on,

527
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.400
you know, the the access to
the audience that they have, it's worth

528
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.400
it or not, right, and
for a guy like me, and this

529
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.320
is what I had working actually is
I was paying for some spots and being

530
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.719
paid for others, so I was
trying to balance it out so that,

531
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:13.480
you know, it didn't cost me
anything and I could keep building the stations.

532
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:17.559
But there's no independent anybody to talk
to anymore. They're pretty much gone

533
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.199
now. It's like you're on an
iHeart station, or there's a couple of

534
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:28.119
family owned media groups here and there, but mainly it's like an eyehead station

535
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:32.519
or a clear channel and that's it. I was what was I Heart before

536
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.159
it was I Heart? I know
it's some other big deal before this.

537
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.920
They always excuse me heart stuff.
Well, they've sucked up a ton of

538
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.079
companies, so it's difficult to get
the genealogy on the thing. But initially

539
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.920
iHeart radio as far as I know, I mean, you know what,

540
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.039
I'm going to try and find a
little reference about the history the evolution of

541
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:59.079
it, because it's pretty crazy what
they become. They bought up stuff that

542
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:04.119
is on all ends of the radio
business now, not just the terrestrial transmitters,

543
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.800
but they have satellite interests, they
have podcast interests. They bought Spreaker,

544
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:13.639
so now Spreaker has brought to you
Iart. Yeah yeah, clear clear

545
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:22.800
Channel was became iHeartRadio. It was
clear Channel and then they changed it to

546
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:29.480
iHeart Media and uh that's when they
made the change. Well, but that

547
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:34.519
was because they were acquiring Yeah,
they were acquiring radio assets. The clear

548
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:40.760
Channel was like the biggest, you
know, terrestrial radio organization. And again

549
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.320
iHeart Iheart's like Google, you know, where they just sucked up everything.

550
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:49.679
Yeah, they were founded. iHeart
was founded in two thousand and eight.

551
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.159
Mm hmm. But I mean the
rapid rise of them, I mean,

552
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.159
I have no idea where the money
really came from or anything. You know,

553
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.719
is iHeart Radio is a whole company
of iHeart Communications Inc. Formerly Clear

554
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:07.800
Channel Communications Inc. A company founded
by Little but they didn't make the change.

555
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.519
Clear Channel owned them, but in
two thousand they you know, iHeart

556
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.079
Rady was started in two thousand and
eight. In twenty fourteen, Clear Channel

557
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:22.079
actually rebranded as iHeart Media. So
it was clear Channel before then. I'm

558
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.039
trying to find out, well,
what I'm trying to It was a clear

559
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:30.199
Channel bought out somebody before they became
iHeart Well, I was, I was

560
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:34.159
just where did it go? I
was just reading the history there that would

561
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.760
give us an answer. Let's see
often shortened iHeart as an American freemium.

562
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:43.679
Okay, now I accidentally messed myself
up. Owned by iHeart met it was

563
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.599
founded in August two thousand and eight. As of twenty nineteen, it was

564
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:51.920
functioning. Okay, but I saw
some reference to a founding in nineteen seventy

565
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:53.079
two, so let me let me
get back to that for a sec.

566
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:01.840
Let's see Red McCombs in nineteen seven
and later taken private by Bain Capital and

567
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:06.039
Thomas h. Lee Partners and a
leveraged buyout in two thousand and eight.

568
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.159
iHeartMedia, Inc. Okay, that's
what happened. So clear channel was the

569
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:15.039
nineteen seventy two creation, and they
were that dominant media force until two thousand

570
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:21.199
and eight when iHeart ink bottom.
So that's like there, that's their founding

571
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:27.719
move there. So yeah, okay, so this is just an entity created.

572
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.840
Let's see built its national event franchise
around the iHeartRadio consumer brand, including

573
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:39.000
when you say Bain's Capital, why
am I head? Am I having very

574
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:46.719
negative connotations. Did they do something
very bad? Any chance? I mean

575
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:51.960
that's like I got bells thing.
Yeah. Any anytime you have one of

576
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.880
these large, you know, asset
accumulating companies, it's it's always very interesting,

577
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.760
you know. Committed to lasting impact
is what's on their website at Bane

578
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:06.159
Capital, by the way, So
let's look at Bane Capital and see what

579
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.320
they have to say about themselves.
We are one of the world's largest private

580
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:15.599
investment firms with approximately one hundred and
eighty billion dollars in assets under management.

581
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:22.079
That creates lasting impact for our investors. Okay, I remember what Bane Capital

582
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:27.280
has been attached to a whole bunch
of corporate raider moves that have turned around

583
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.960
and consolidated, you know, and
created a lot of these monsters that we

584
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.199
see today, and they're you know, they they're just a part of the

585
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:39.000
middle of the of the process in
between. Like you know, how we

586
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.599
have Disney is now this massive entity
that's you know, combined with all these

587
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:49.559
other things, and you have like
what do you call that? It used

588
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.079
to be a cable company, for
God's sake, and then it turned into

589
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:57.679
other stuff. Ah Man. They
ended up like acquiring everything from AT and

590
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.400
T. To HBO to jeez,
I'm drawing a blank here. But you

591
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:07.840
know, like these large media media
coloberates. What's that Sinclair? No,

592
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.559
not Sinclair. No, Sinclair's that
is not that No, not that big.

593
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:17.719
The Sinclair is that conservative media organization
that uh ends up getting the ownership

594
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.159
of a lot of those network channels
on TV. That's not them. No,

595
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.679
I'm trying to think, what is
it? Comcast? Comcast, That's

596
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:30.039
what I was thinking of. Comcast
was this uh again, a media company

597
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:36.000
that was doing cell phones and cable
companies at one point, and then they

598
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.599
just started, you know, creating
a conglomeration which today, like I said,

599
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:45.480
contains everything from like AT and T
and HBO to uh, you know

600
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.440
to still having a lot of these
multiple cell phone companies and all this stuff.

601
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.840
And they they're just communication brands.
And when you look at them,

602
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:59.039
it's like this huge, revolving universe
of stuff that used to not make sense

603
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.440
to put all together. But there
are these massive organizations that have these different

604
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:07.960
arms now you know, so uh
well, well beyond like the very simplistic

605
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:13.440
and really outmoded thing that like Rupert
Murdoch did, where he you know,

606
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:19.400
went around and picked up the independents
assets of different broadcasters and created a network.

607
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.599
Well, these guys turn around and
buy those networks and then buy the

608
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:27.960
parent companies of those networks and become
the ultimate parent company. You know.

609
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:30.719
Like if you take a good look
at who's Coke and Pepsi today, you

610
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.679
notice that they're part of these massive
conglomerates that have nothing to do with food.

611
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.159
Now, you know, I mean
eventually oh no no no no no

612
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:45.400
no no no no no, not
Coke. No one messes with the big

613
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:52.679
Coke. Now Pepsi as their young
co thing. But even Pepsi's a charge

614
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:58.719
to that thing. Well, anyway, let's see Coke corporate, the Coca

615
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:04.400
Cola company. You know, who
owns Coca Cola? We we we can

616
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.960
sit and do a little research during
the break if you want. But I

617
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.280
mean, I guarantee all these different
companies that have these partnerships and then they

618
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:15.639
suck Coca Cola sucks up other beverage
companies constantly and spits them out too.

619
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.239
That that's that's all that Coke does, Not that I would agree, Yeah,

620
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.800
yeah, but uh yeah, who
owns Coca Cola. Let's say shop

621
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:30.239
structure. Is there anyone else trying
to get on the horn. Okay,

622
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.199
now, let's listen to this,
Jimmy James. You may not know this

623
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:39.760
ownership structure. Ownership structure of Coca
Cola. You ready. Their top investors

624
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:46.519
include Berkshire Hathaway, led by Warren
Buffetts. All right, he's uh yeah,

625
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:52.679
okay. Institutional investors like the Vanguard
Group also own it. And oh,

626
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.000
by the way, black Rock owns
seven point nineteen percent, because black

627
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.000
Rock owns a part of everything.
So Coca Cola is, yeah, a

628
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:06.199
cooperative of these different groups that own
pieces of it. Well, it's a

629
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:12.519
corporation, but I might that's it. I have no idea, but I

630
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:16.519
doubt they have more than forty percent
of their company out there for sale.

631
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:24.519
Coke seems to pretty much run their
own business. Well just okay, between

632
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:30.719
Vanguard and okay, if we add
up black Rock Vanguard, that's fifteen sixteen,

633
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:37.679
twenty five thirty, there's about forty
percent of it is owned by the

634
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.639
top investors, and then I know
there's also individual investors that have Coke stock

635
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.039
as well. So I don't know
what the percentage is, but their top

636
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:52.400
four or five investors own about,
yeah, forty percent of the company,

637
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:55.199
So I don't know what that means. Yeah, that would make sense.

638
00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:02.199
And then, because you know,
most people only invest in the stock market

639
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:08.159
through four to oh one case unless
there's some kind of Wall Street crooks.

640
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:14.280
But actually, I just I just
had a bizarre Well I didn't have it.

641
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:20.039
I just heard it and I thought
it was I learned something this week,

642
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:32.880
Chuck cool, what'd you learn?
Uh? And the source was surprising

643
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.519
is a TV creature? But he
said something. I thought about it and

644
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:44.840
I have to conclude he's right.
Okay, I'm gone religious. Here we

645
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.360
go. I just real quick,
real quick, Jimmy, I want you

646
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.000
to know that many years ago,
when I was a kid, I actually

647
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:54.920
learned a few things from Jimmy Swaggert. I found him interesting and compelling as

648
00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.519
a as a performer for sure.
U right right before he got busted,

649
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.360
by the way, is when I
was actually watching him a lot. And

650
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.679
then I watched him quite a bit
after he got busted with the prostitute,

651
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.800
you know, because I found him
even more compelling temporarily, and then he

652
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.679
sort of lost his I don't know, he seemed to lose as bigger his

653
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.519
intensity on TV after that. But
go ahead, tell us what you learned

654
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:28.880
from a TV preacher this week.
Yeah, and it's and it's actually true,

655
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:36.000
that's what. And as smart as
I've never put this together, I

656
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.679
had this thought, wellwis I thought
I was perty spunk. Of course,

657
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:47.119
the Lord God Almighty would be the
only one who's not affected by time,

658
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:53.079
because of course time is another one
of his creations. And the devil has

659
00:50:53.199 --> 00:51:01.840
no idea. And I say that
that Lucifer the folks spoken of in Revelations

660
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:09.199
in the End of Days, the
adversary of course, the who the adversary?

661
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:16.280
Go ahead, yeah, the adversary, the antique, the false prophet.

662
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.119
And isn't there another one? Chuck? Oh, there's tons. I

663
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.320
mean, you can keep going on. And then some people have conflated you

664
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:30.440
know, some of the uh mythic
you know, mythological I say, uh,

665
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.320
you know, servants to you know, like Belile and all that.

666
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.920
They say that those are also the
same one and the same. But I

667
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.039
don't think so. And you know, I'm not going with Dante on the

668
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.880
order whereas it regards this. But
even if you look into some of the

669
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:51.039
texts on angelic lore, uh,
you find that there's there's a lot of

670
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:54.679
stuff, a lot of interesting order
there in the hierarchy, if you will.

671
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.760
And I think that there is an
undisputed there. There's you know,

672
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:02.440
among people who believe that this is
a structure and a real thing, you'd

673
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:06.840
have to say, there's like a
chief adversary, much like there is a

674
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.079
chief deity, no matter what you
think. And not only as you know,

675
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:15.719
if there is a singular almighty God, he would also be the only

676
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:22.320
entity that exists that would be immune
from not only time but death. Everything

677
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:28.880
else may something dead outside of the
Chief Deity. So that's good, perfect,

678
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.440
that's how perfect, perfect way to
put it. So you pointed out

679
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:38.239
that then therefore the devil would have
to every generation would have to have an

680
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:44.639
anti Christ because he doesn't know when
that he not even Lucifer knows when the

681
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:50.960
end of days is going to be. So and I started thinking, yeah,

682
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.400
that would have to be correct.
And then you look back at guys

683
00:52:53.440 --> 00:53:01.559
like Adolf Hitler, I have no
doubt whatso you could almost tell that man

684
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:08.880
was demon possessed towards the end.
Okay, I'm open for comments and criticisms.

685
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:13.599
I don't have a criticism. I
have a question. You know this

686
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.920
idea that there would be an Antichrist
every generation, I would find that disputable.

687
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.559
And here is why, because of
this very open question, there would

688
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:28.800
be a singular Antichrist that would arrive
and in fact be declared the Antichrist because

689
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:34.159
of the time and the events that
surround what it is they're doing. Are

690
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:42.280
you saying that there is a ready
and waiting individual who could fulfill the role

691
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.679
of the Antichrist or are you saying
that they're okay? Because that that's a

692
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.239
little different than saying there's an answi
Christ every generation. This way, I

693
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:57.239
think that there are patsies and when
okay, the evil red guy got in

694
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.719
there thinks, hey, I take
things there, Hey, this might be

695
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:05.719
it. This Hitler guy, he's
pretty wild. I'm gonna jump right onto

696
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.800
some of that. I mean,
you could literally tell that dude was demon

697
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:17.159
possessed. First, if you go
back to the time of Martin Luther,

698
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:22.280
he thought that the Pope was the
Antichrist. Well, more than one person

699
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:29.960
has declared yeah, the false prophet, right right, Chuck. Wouldn't that

700
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.800
be the false prophet because it's the
man from Rome. Well, I mean

701
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.400
it's not far no, I understand, but both could be in play,

702
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:42.719
right, except that the only problem
I have with that is that when have

703
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.679
we had a pope that was born
in the Middle East? Because my understanding

704
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:52.320
of the text is that you know, the Antichrist, the one that comes

705
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:57.599
in the end Days, that particular
Antichrist I'm pretty sure has to be born

706
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:07.559
in the Middle East or at least. But then the false Prophet is Okay,

707
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:13.000
maybe I'm mixing up the false prophet
with the Antichrist. I just think

708
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:17.440
is the false topic comes from Rome. But maybe they did say the Antichrist

709
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:22.320
comes from Rome. Well just think
about it. Well yeah, well think

710
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.719
about it. The first Pope,
Saint Peter, he was born in the

711
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.079
Middle East. Yeah, yeah,
that's true. But the thing is is

712
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.559
that coming from Rome. See here
here's where interpretation becomes a problem, right,

713
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:38.400
because if you're coming from Rome,
you could be someone who hails from

714
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:43.480
Rome, like that's your city of
origin, or you could be coming from

715
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.159
Rome because you traveled from there.
Right, So Pope Santa Citas hailed from

716
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:52.599
Syria. There you go. Okay, So there's another one. And again

717
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.639
there have been people and this gets
into a whole other discussion about like the

718
00:55:55.639 --> 00:56:01.320
Black Pope versus the one that we
see in public and you know, demon

719
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:05.360
possession. Well, that kind of
thing happens all the time in the false

720
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.360
churches. Look, everybody's pointing the
finger at everybody else at different times.

721
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:14.840
Right, Well, here's the rundown
you had. There's been two hundred and

722
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:19.360
sixty six polps. Two hundred and
seventeen are from Italy, sixteen are from

723
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:24.000
France, six from Germany, five
from the Byzantine Empire, which is modern

724
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:30.360
day Syria Syria, four from Greece, three from the Holy Land modern day

725
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:37.840
Israel, Pope Peter, Pope Evaristus, and Pope Theodore. Three from Africa

726
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:45.559
pro consularis. Two from Dalmatia,
which is modern day Croatia, two from

727
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:51.719
Valencia in modern day Spain, two
from Portugal, two from Anatolia modern day

728
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.039
Turkey, one from England, one
from the Netherlands, one from Poland,

729
00:56:54.079 --> 00:57:00.920
and one from Argentina. Oh yeah, John, second is from from Poland,

730
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:07.880
right, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, yeah,

731
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:12.880
Look it's there are a lot of
I did not know that England had a

732
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:17.960
pope though, Yeah, Pope Adrian
the fourth. There you go, and

733
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.280
interesting how they you know, how
they end up with their names and even

734
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.440
the process by which the pope is
is selected and all that that that's also

735
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:30.079
interesting, the uh you know,
the the group of cardinals that get together.

736
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.480
Look, there is a lot to
it that, you know, and

737
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:38.840
people gather up different signs because they
focus on different areas. Uh. But

738
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:44.280
I would say that there there are
the eligibility for somebody to be one of

739
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:49.400
these false prophets and to be participating
in different things that are in the uh,

740
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:55.519
you know, the the different what
what what should we call them prophecies?

741
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:04.360
You know, because of the interpretation
and because of the translations, there

742
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.840
have been a lot of different meanings
that have been fed into stuff. I

743
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.840
mean. And people also have gotten
into this idea about particular political figures and

744
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:17.079
world leaders because they're so destructive being
the antichrist. That's more of a popularized

745
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:25.159
theory, you know. Post nostradamis
popularity, right, although you could say

746
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:30.239
that even when Napoleon was alive before
you know, a lot of people were

747
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:35.360
aware of Nostradamus work. And long
before you know, we got what's his

748
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.519
name, the guy who did a
War of the worlds and all that orson

749
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.239
welles, you know, narrating that
the man who saw tomorrow. Long before

750
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.960
that, I mean, people were
calling Napoleon the Antichrist when he was alive.

751
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:52.480
And there have been you know,
various political circumstances and circumstances of war

752
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:59.119
where you know, individuals who are
conquering others described them as you know,

753
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:05.039
described the ankeror as the Antichrist as
well. A lot of times they're destroying

754
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:08.559
religious symbology and they're there's a sign
they're the Antichrist, they're rejecting their church

755
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:15.039
things like that, when usually they're
trying to you know, uh, subjugate

756
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:20.440
the people and destroy their their iconography
more than anything, it's not even necessarily

757
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:23.639
about the religion. But anyway,
here lately is the last pope? Now?

758
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:27.159
Is it this pope is supposed to
be the last pope? Or is

759
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:32.920
there one more pope after this pope? No, this is the last,

760
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:38.199
This is the pope. This is
this is the anti pope according to that

761
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:44.039
writing. Yeah, okay, so
this guy right now, in other words,

762
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:51.840
the Pope Francis Is is then now
the one that's turned yep. Okay,

763
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:58.320
well, yes, that writing that
some monk wrote in the Milges,

764
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.599
I believe that switched term great Vpete. Well, and there's a bunch of

765
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.960
writings that that indicate that, you
know what, don't even pay attention to

766
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.440
any of that, because it's really
about the you know, the people that

767
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:14.480
will rule Israel, right, how
many rulers of Israel will will there be?

768
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:20.159
And what do we have? We
have I think two more left before

769
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:24.599
we get to the end as far
as that's concerned. You know, like

770
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:28.480
I said, I've been through a
lot of different people's interpretations about this,

771
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:35.400
and they have foundational reasons. I
misspoke there, Chuck a few weeks So,

772
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:40.039
yes, there were kings after that
King mo Hab? Was that his

773
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:46.199
name or is it a Have?
I I can't recall that that conversation.

774
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:57.599
I'm not sure which Well, what's
your name's man? Jesse of Bell's main

775
01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:02.039
squeeze there, Oh oh, I
said he was the last last king of

776
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:07.400
Israel, and then you correct me
and said there was a bunch more.

777
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:12.800
I should have said that was the
last true king of Israel. After that,

778
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:16.360
they were always in acquet type power, and their so called kings were

779
01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:23.119
more like governors. Right. Well, he a Have was was her husband?

780
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:30.039
I think, yeah, that sounds
right, Which that sounds you know,

781
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.559
yeah, which is kind of funny
because I generally I think of Ahab

782
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:38.639
first, as you know, the
character in Moby Dick, but likely the

783
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:43.599
namesake of that guy actually, right, I mean that's probably where the author

784
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.480
or Melville got the strange, strange
thing to name of the child. Right.

785
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:53.119
It's like I really have met women
whose parents started with the wist to

786
01:01:53.280 --> 01:02:00.079
name them Jezebel from from the three
that have run into didn't live up to

787
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.440
their name. Well, you know, it's not so popular anymore, is

788
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:07.760
uh, you know, guys of
Latin origin being named Jesus anymore. I

789
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:13.360
haven't seen too many Hayesuses recently,
you know, younger Hayesus is in the

790
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:15.679
past twenty years or so. I
think that trend might have died down.

791
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:21.599
No, not, they're all playing. But maybe Benito. I think Benito's

792
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.800
making a comeback though, Dude,
Benito, all sudden, like Benito,

793
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:30.599
really you're naming your kid Benito?
Pass news to me as well. But

794
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:32.960
I mean I have not seen a
lot of Hayesuses, have you be,

795
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.159
Pete, Yeah, it's in Paul
playing baseball. Well, look outside of

796
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:42.039
baseball, right, I mean,
well, you don't want calls them anywhere

797
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:46.519
except playing baseball. Okay, maybe
maybe that's your experience, but what can

798
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:51.079
I say. Look, we're gonna
tall I've never met anybody named Jesus that

799
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.920
wasn't playing baseball. Let's put it
that way. I gotta think about that.

800
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:59.000
I've met a lot of Jesuses.
I gotta think about that. You

801
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:00.320
you might you might be right,
and I might have the same I might

802
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:04.639
have to concur with you about that
experience. I'm not sure we had.

803
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.159
We had a couple on the farm
team when I when I was part owner

804
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.760
of it, we had at least
one or two Aesuses every year. Yeah,

805
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:15.239
but what year was that. It
was back in the eighties, So

806
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:20.920
you're talking about guys that were probably
born in the sixties or maybe possibly the

807
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:22.920
seventies, depending on what part of
the eighties. When you're looking at a

808
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.800
minor league team with a bunch of
guys named Azous on it, right,

809
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.920
Oh, they were all Dominicans and
Puerto Ricans. I think we had let's

810
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:35.280
see, I think we had one
guy that came from Mexico, but the

811
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:38.400
rest of them were Dominicans of Puerto
Ricans. Front Blue days were real heavy

812
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:43.719
into the Dominican market for their farm
teams. I got a lot of talent,

813
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:49.239
A lot of talent, didn't They
concentrate their their scouting, their their

814
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:53.400
scouting crew basically concentrated on the the
Latin world's like winter ball stuff. I

815
01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:58.039
mean, that's where they used to
scout heavily, isn't it. Oh yeah,

816
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:02.360
they had Mexican leagues and uh Dominican
leagues. Yeah, they had talent

817
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:08.719
scouts down there all the time.
It was. There's certain areas where,

818
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:13.320
I mean, some kids are destined
to become famous from the time they're old

819
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.599
enough to pick up a baseball,
because that's all they do, you know.

820
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:23.239
And uh Onetanic guy who was on
he would have been one of the

821
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:27.840
greatest. Then he died in that
airplane. He may have been been Cuban

822
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:32.639
if even when we were croums with
these people thanking him for a while.

823
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.000
Yeah, I know who you're talking. I can picture the guy, and

824
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:41.360
I'm trying to think, uh man, uh, you're talking about a guy

825
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.559
who died in like either the sixties
or the seventies, right, and probably

826
01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:49.679
the six sixties. Maybe in the
playing crowd for many was vertical. Many

827
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:54.800
who played what for the a's he
died play crash. That's one of them.

828
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:59.360
Yeah, but there's another one too, right, Yeah, try to

829
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.480
see the this would have been like, this would have been like circ in

830
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:09.480
nineteen seventy I'm thinking yeah, and
then uh, well, and then weird

831
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.559
the baseball players that have been claimed
in plane crashes. I mean, uh,

832
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:16.000
you know Thurman Munson, I mean
you know, no, there was

833
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:18.519
a guy I think, I think
I know who you're thinking of. And

834
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:25.320
I can't remember. Was Clemente on
like some political mission when he crashed or

835
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:29.519
was that the other guy I'm thinking
of. M I've been the other guy,

836
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:31.559
Clemente. What was he doing?
He had gone down there for something?

837
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:39.760
So what is some kind of volunteer
stuff to see? Uh? Thurman

838
01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:44.559
Munson died in plane crash, but
he wasn't hispanic almost see. And that

839
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.800
was later. That was like seventy
nine or something like that where Munson died,

840
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:50.760
right, yeah, seventy nine somewhere
there. I remember he was still

841
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:55.400
being discussed a lot when I was
a little kid watching baseball Munson. So

842
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:01.119
let's see Roberto Clementi started in the
Puerto Rican League. Let's see if we

843
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:06.079
can get to his well after you
do, we'll go to a break because

844
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:11.199
we haven't taken one yet and we're
over the hour already, so I want

845
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.639
to want to get at least a
break or two in. So you know

846
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.360
what, let's let's have you do
a little research during the break and we'll

847
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:21.239
take a rest here and you guys
can join us out there. Uh more

848
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:26.119
than just Jimmy James can call in
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849
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850
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854
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883
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Well, what do you want to
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884
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girlfriends he knew? Ruby and Barrie
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885
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could claim I have four wheels.
It doesn't make me a wagon. But

886
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890
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891
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dissects the many, many fantastic claims
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895
01:10:17.079 --> 01:11:01.000
thank you for all the great information, my grandma. God do it well.

896
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:15.439
You b be action within your dime
image double well, more and more

897
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:24.840
people putting down. We got diy
for man sat a well, w I

898
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:32.520
list come now because no one ever
died from smoking. We get him.

899
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:46.079
You're kidding me. You're kidding me. Yeah, Yeah, you're kidding me.

900
01:11:49.720 --> 01:12:03.399
Well, then it wouldn't ur job
the I to find another way to

901
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:17.479
drink. That's the beast thing that
could come up with face. It's a

902
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:31.359
gay way drug and leads to other
substances. You're kidding me, Your kidding

903
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:43.600
me, Yeah, you're kidding me. Well, more round, more people

904
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:49.199
putting down, But we got badly
for matter said. It's getting around well

905
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:57.680
what on the last come now my
TV, because no one ever died from

906
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:08.880
smoking? And we had Yeah,
are your kidding me? Are your kidding

907
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:26.399
me? Yeah? Are your kidding
me? Real mothers considered a majority man

908
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:45.720
the authority body people like you and
me. You're kidding me? Are your

909
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:56.359
kidding me? Yeah? Yeah?
Are your kidding me? Well? More

910
01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:04.560
more people putting it down? Know
we got that. That's getting round one

911
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:18.640
on Live Now my LEPs. No
one ever died fro smoke in we dot

912
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com radio and off to the races
with the second segment of the O'Kelly effect

913
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:41.439
here on a Friday night, which
means we have the open mic and you

914
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:45.479
too can join us. Uh three
one nine five two seven five zero one

915
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:50.640
six three one nine five two seven
five zero one six, Or reach out

916
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:57.560
to me Charles dot O'Kelly on Skype
and you can ask me to call you

917
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.880
into the show and I will.
Uh. It's the that simple. Three

918
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:04.319
one nine five two seven five zero
one six or Charles dot o'celly on Skype

919
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:09.199
send me a message right now.
I'm holding the runt of the litter.

920
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:12.920
I got seven little pups out in
the other room, and this one was

921
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:16.039
barking the loudest, she is the
smallest, So uh, Pearl is with

922
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:19.800
me, but also with me Be
Pete, my co host on Friday nights.

923
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:26.439
You're gonna appreciate the segment in the
JFK Mits episode I just released b

924
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:29.880
Pete by the way, uh,
because we wound up having to go back

925
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:33.800
to the Lancer conference and a little
audio that might be of interest to you

926
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:40.680
that was recorded at the Lancer conference
during a little disturbance at the at the

927
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:44.560
yeah, in the back of the
room during you know, I think you

928
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:49.960
know what I'm referencing anyway, Oh
yeah, yeah, I mean did was

929
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:54.880
my disturbance there? The big one. We had Joe Scooter Brelli with us

930
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:59.039
last night and he brought us an
audio that I guess Doug Campbell recorded at

931
01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:02.600
Lancer. So yeah, I'll leave
it at that. And you know,

932
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:04.920
for those of you that don't know, yeah, go ahead and get it

933
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:09.640
wherever the podcast is. It's out
on the feed now, but I think

934
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:12.600
you'll find it particularly entertaining. We
went two and a half hours on the

935
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:17.239
mid show last night, by the
way, and yeah, Rob Ryder is

936
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.079
definitely not going to be a friend
of mine anytime. Soon, even though

937
01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:27.159
he's gotten on black Op radio now
just saying oh interesting, interesting K pop.

938
01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:35.520
In fact, we were you're talking
with Doug and you know he had

939
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:40.680
his Wu Tang Clan t shirt on
when he was down there. And there

940
01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:46.319
was collaboration between this group twenty one
from back in twenty eleven or twelve.

941
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:53.000
Anyway, their lead singer or one
of their lead singers collabed with Wu Tang

942
01:16:53.079 --> 01:17:00.520
Clan and appeared on their albums as
a featured artist. So nice. I

943
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.760
like Wu Tang you know, they're
a little a little out of my genre

944
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:08.399
a little bit, but but they
got a couple of songs I just can't

945
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:12.079
argue with. I appreciate them.
But anyway, Yeah, Doug was wearing

946
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:14.239
a Wu Tang shirt when he was
there, that's for sure. You know,

947
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:18.279
it's amazing though. You look at
the influence of those early artists,

948
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:21.399
you know, you look at the
influence of Cypress Hill and Wu Tang Clan

949
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:25.319
on these other groups that are coming
up, and I mean, because that

950
01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:31.760
was rip, rap and rap,
and it was you really have to go

951
01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:39.520
back to the roots to see you
can see bits and pieces of it in

952
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.800
today's stuff that this mass media that
they're throwing out there. I call mass

953
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.880
media, you know, mass radio
is all it just all sounds the same

954
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:50.560
to me anymore. But there are
when you get to these independent artists,

955
01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:56.760
you can tell who their influences were. And it's amazing how many people reflect

956
01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:00.239
back to groups like the Routang Clan. That's where they go, you know,

957
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:03.479
where they grew up. Well,
it's like for the many, many

958
01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:08.239
years you know, observing a hard
rock and metal stuff. You know,

959
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:12.880
the undeniable presence of the influence of
Black Sabbath to me, because that's my

960
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:16.000
favorite group of all time, even
though I don't recognize him as the most

961
01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:19.399
talented group of all time, They're
just the one that resonated with me.

962
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:24.439
I love the music and the tones
and the way the stuff is. It's

963
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:30.239
just to me, it's perfectly brilliant. But their influence is yet another monster,

964
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:36.199
you know. And Ozzie's been in
the business now for god fifty more

965
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:41.000
than half a century, you know, him alone, and the other guys

966
01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:43.960
too, So I mean there's something
to it, man, There's something to

967
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:47.880
the influence and how it resonates in
music and culture. And you know,

968
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:50.600
some artists are great for a little
while and that's that, and then they

969
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:55.439
disappear into the ether. You know, others continue to have an influence,

970
01:18:55.479 --> 01:19:00.880
whether they continue to perform or record
or not. You know. So Jimmy

971
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:02.760
James is waiting on the line.
He also brought up some biblical stuff.

972
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:06.199
So we've been over K pop,
popular music, uh, the business of

973
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:11.840
radio, and biblical prophecy. So
you never know what might happen on this

974
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:15.880
show. Three one nine, five
two seven five zero one six. She

975
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:19.239
got at least thirty five to forty
minutes left of the show to join us

976
01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:24.199
or Charles Ottocelli on Skype if you
like, send me a message and I'll

977
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:28.920
call you. But as is,
we have our one consistent caller still on

978
01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.039
the line, so I'm gonna bring
him back in see if he's got anything

979
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:35.239
else he wants to drop, or
if he wants to talk about the influence

980
01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:40.640
of artists on music or whatever else
is on his mind. Jimmy, you're

981
01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:44.000
back with us because nobody else called
in, uh, and I would bring

982
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:45.600
you back in, but I would
have brought somebody else in first if somebody

983
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:48.960
else called in. So far you're
the only one, So what else is

984
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:59.119
on your mind? Tonight man or
knowing else called. Now that's why we're

985
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:02.760
round two with Jimmy James right away. So otherwise, you know, like

986
01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:08.119
I always try and give anybody a
chance. You know, do you have

987
01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:12.880
to provoke someone to call in?
Do I got to talk about these comedy

988
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:16.800
democrats and all their pink o escapades? Is that what has to happen.

989
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:24.840
I don't know if it works,
it works, we do, I have

990
01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:30.520
to really intagg And I said,
all right, yeah, I see Joe

991
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:38.399
Bardon there. He's some big trouble
there here. I'll talk. Yeah,

992
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:43.279
I'll say. I know. I
said, I'll set you up if you

993
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.439
want. Uh, you know,
the will Is hearing. She got a

994
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:49.119
little agitated on the stand this week, didn't she? Uh? Sitting there

995
01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:53.840
just screaming at somebody at one point. That's a lie? Uh during the

996
01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:57.680
hearing? Right? And what else
we got going on in courtroom? News?

997
01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:01.439
All right? Three? Is it
forty million dollars allegedly in the settlement

998
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:12.079
or whatever the astronomical number. And
I still contend watch and learn none of

999
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:14.439
that's gonna get paid. I mean, you know, think about this for

1000
01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:17.239
a second. The guy who told
you that all of his bankruptcies meant that

1001
01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:25.199
he knew how to work the system. Watch and learn, because that stuff's

1002
01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:28.600
gonna get paid for and it won't
be by him. And I'm telling you,

1003
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:33.560
and people are complaining that Donald Trump
Junior and Eric now each have to

1004
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:39.359
pay four million apiece so that they
got they got here for four million each.

1005
01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:44.640
And Trump got banned from holding leadership
of a company in New York for

1006
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:48.800
three years. Yeah, but again, you know, pending appeals and everything

1007
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.399
else that's going to come up.
You watch, but I do. I

1008
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:57.479
did see an interesting video get dropped
on social media this week, and maybe

1009
01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:01.119
it's h the appropriate time to play
a little sound Let's see if we can

1010
01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:05.199
get Jimmy James worked up and then
he can provoke other people. How about

1011
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:09.479
how about this one? Jimmy,
have you heard this or seen this?

1012
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:14.520
Hold your comment until the end,
because I found this kind of funny,

1013
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:17.800
especially with the return of John Stewart
to The Daily Show, because let's mace

1014
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:24.560
facts. Trevor Noah sucked anyway,
John Stewart went and got his old job

1015
01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:28.319
back. I don't know what that
means in twenty twenty four, but it

1016
01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:31.479
might mean Yeah, it might mean
stuff like this though, be Pete,

1017
01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:40.960
what a new show that party the
guys? Oh hell, watch okay with

1018
01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:45.079
your host Donald Trump Jr. Let's
see which way the wind is blowing hot?

1019
01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:48.880
Hey if Winzos of Preston so am
I right? Oh wow, it's

1020
01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:54.479
crazy. You don't have ideas and
all the finger quotes you can handle,

1021
01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:58.960
can't place your reduction of violence from
January six. I hope Trump comes.

1022
01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:00.800
I'm gonna punch him. This is
my moments, been waiting for this,

1023
01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:09.600
cutting rails of journalism, just insanity
after insanity. I'll come up with a

1024
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:11.880
way to word it, say,
well, this isn't exactly what we're new.

1025
01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:14.279
A human would also have a man
and if he just moved to a

1026
01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:16.560
blues cave, basically gonna do nothing
done like all the prior presidents. A

1027
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:21.039
small new clear war. You know, not a bit better than you got

1028
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:28.239
candy. I don't know whether to
be like upset or impressed. You know

1029
01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:33.279
Cocaine, Donald Trump Junior's own cocaine. Juniors on cocaine. I have a

1030
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:42.880
cocaine addiction. That is a minute
and a half long trailer that I played

1031
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:46.520
a good portion of here, uh
for Cocaine News with Donald Trump Junior.

1032
01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:50.680
And this is a skipped by the
Daily Show. I heard one to day.

1033
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:55.079
If you ever watched the gut Field
Show on Fox, Yes, it

1034
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:59.199
comes on ten o'clock. His Jamie
Lizzo is one of the riders, his

1035
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:02.000
comedian. He was on there the
other night. They were talking about things

1036
01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:04.199
that kind of went out and then
dropped from the news, and one of

1037
01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:08.920
them was the is his Lunchuri's about
the cocaine in the White House is that

1038
01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.840
we've never found out, you know
whose it was? He said, you

1039
01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:13.840
know, and talk to people about
it. People go, oh, come

1040
01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:15.800
on, you know it was Hunters
and he goes, no, I don't

1041
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:21.680
think. I don't think it was
because because there was some left not Ben.

1042
01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:28.319
See, there's an argument. You
know, look, usually crackheads do

1043
01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:31.960
not lose track of her coke.
I mean just saying in Hunter Biden's defense,

1044
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:39.720
right, they absolutely they keep absolute
track of that. So you know,

1045
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:42.439
I don't think it was Hunters either. But whose was it? Good

1046
01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:45.960
question? It was never answered.
But there have been many allegations between Adderall

1047
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:50.520
and cocaine, you know, for
Donald Trump Junior, and I got to

1048
01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:57.560
say some of his actions on camera
very suggestive. Who knows and the red

1049
01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:02.000
nose and sniff. If you look
at the rates of prescriptions in the United

1050
01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:06.319
States, most of you you realize
a lot of these people that you see

1051
01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:12.560
on TV, these celebrities, these
newscasters, these you know, front people

1052
01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:17.640
for these organizations, a lot of
them are medicated out of their gorg Oh

1053
01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:21.479
yeah, you think about it.
At the prevalence of you know, what

1054
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:28.640
is some astounding number the other day, like but it was like three out

1055
01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:32.000
of ten or four out of ten
people were on medications. Yeah, I

1056
01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:39.960
believe it for either ADHD or some
other malady. It's you know, it's

1057
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:43.319
amazing most of the people that you
you know, majority of people that you

1058
01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:47.279
deal without, their chances are they're
just as screwed up as the next guy.

1059
01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:51.000
You know, you might want them
on cocaine if there's snorting adderall and

1060
01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:55.039
god knows what else, you know, synthetic, I mean, the cocaine

1061
01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:58.560
would at least be you know,
a little more natural than some of the

1062
01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:00.720
crap they're putting up their noses.
A lot of them. No, when

1063
01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:03.880
you see a newscaster sniffling a lot, you know, they seem to have

1064
01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:08.520
allergies all the time. When you
see the glassy eyes, and you see

1065
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:12.560
the you know, the the expressions
that are clearly like every once in a

1066
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:15.399
while when you're just getting into your
high and you sort of crawl into your

1067
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:20.079
own head. I watched that happen
on camera a lot. Some people,

1068
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:23.279
you know, point to it and
go, oh, it's MK Ultra.

1069
01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:26.239
The guy's shutting down, he miscued
and this and that, and I'm like,

1070
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:29.600
no, it's not MK Ultra.
It's the guys high, you know.

1071
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:31.920
I mean, you know, you
look at the industry and you think,

1072
01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:34.880
well, half I'm on riddle and
the other half's on Aderall yeah,

1073
01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:39.359
why not? And you know,
not like they need it, but it's

1074
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:42.319
not hard to get. It's everywhere. Like you said when we were talking

1075
01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:45.319
about K pop. They hand out
those prescriptions like candy anyway, so you

1076
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:48.960
know, and and what's the stop
them from getting their nephews adderall prescription or

1077
01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:54.239
their kids? Uh you know,
oh yeah, we have three different medications

1078
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:58.399
for the HDD or whatever. And
you know, yeah, sure, why

1079
01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:00.000
not, No, no, no, I'll take it. I'll just I'll

1080
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:04.960
dispose of this, you know,
So why not? The stuff is everywhere

1081
01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:10.640
and so but there's been a lot
of allegations directly because again, Donald Trump

1082
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:14.600
Junior ends up with a red nose
a lot, speaks rapidly, does erratic

1083
01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:17.680
stuff. But you know, but
I know Rogers, Rogers, Stone's not

1084
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:23.520
cooked up. I'm trying. I
need to provoke more callers here. Okay,

1085
01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:30.000
good Chuck. All you're doing here
is leftist projection. I've never heard

1086
01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:34.479
that ridiculous tale that, hey,
I'm not I'm not a leftist. I'm

1087
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:40.920
not a leftist. I'm not left
in that crap. He's just under a

1088
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.880
lot of stress. Okay, but
I'm not a leftist. I just I'm

1089
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:46.239
I'm trying to set you up here. Jimmy James is trying to give me

1090
01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:49.199
the setup. Man. Come on, I know, I'm just trying to

1091
01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:57.399
get a Surely someone's got all right, what about how russ just got a

1092
01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:03.840
death star hovering over these states?
Joe Biden, Russia's got a death star.

1093
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:09.960
Hold on a second, it BP, Russia's got a death star and

1094
01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:13.399
in outer space hanging over our country. I missed that one. Did you

1095
01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:16.439
did you catch that one? Yeah? The news this week they've come up

1096
01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:24.199
with some and this was the national
security crisis that was mentioned before last that

1097
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:31.760
Russia apparently has the technology to put
anti satellite missiles in space that would knock

1098
01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:38.359
out everything from your the GPS on
your microwave, to your phones, to

1099
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:42.680
the grid to U name it.
They can take out everything. So that's

1100
01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:47.119
the You know, it's funny these
hypersonic missiles that are being brought out by

1101
01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:51.279
China and Russia. I heard on
the radio the other day. The technology

1102
01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:56.119
came straight from US. They basically
stole it and then improved it, and

1103
01:28:56.239 --> 01:29:00.640
now we're trying to play catch up
with technology that was original early hours.

1104
01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:04.960
No, we can't get one to
work. We don't have it. Well,

1105
01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:09.560
they might have taken some stuff from
us and done better with it.

1106
01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:13.920
I mean Putin in that interview with
Tucker Carlson, which I covered on Wednesdays

1107
01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:17.479
on The Valentine Show quite extensively and
played clips from. I think one of

1108
01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:19.760
the clips I've played, if I
didn't play it, I meant to,

1109
01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:26.399
was him talking about the hypersonic missiles
and how they have daily improvements on it.

1110
01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:30.439
He says Putin, and he he
blames the United States for not being

1111
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:34.920
willing to negotiate about a missile defense
system that would help to deal with Iran,

1112
01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:39.279
which, by the way, I
saw a story about Iran this week.

1113
01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:45.600
They're allegedly taking over the South Pole
and declaring it their land. Now

1114
01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:50.760
Ron this news story said, yeah, did you see that one? Can

1115
01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:55.479
we just relocate the whole country down
there? Well, that's what I was

1116
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:58.359
thinking, is why would somebody be
worried about that? Let him have it?

1117
01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:03.159
Why not you know, like tell
you what, you can have all

1118
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:10.880
of that and there you go.
I mean, when is when is the

1119
01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:16.039
perfect visiting season? When is tour
a season at South Pole? I mean,

1120
01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.359
is one season better than the other
or is it just miserable all the

1121
01:30:19.399 --> 01:30:26.920
time? I don't know, that's
a good question. The South the South

1122
01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:30.680
Pole would be an Arctica, which
is off Perma cross. Now the North

1123
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:35.079
Pole, which is up in you
know, Canada and whatnot, that they

1124
01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:44.359
have seasons where people could actually exist
and live. Hm. Well, Navalny

1125
01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:49.359
just died somewhere near the Arctic Circle. That's uh, but that's north So

1126
01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:54.680
let me just see about this,
iron I know I have well anytime that

1127
01:30:54.880 --> 01:31:00.119
anytime that you're in you know,
a Russian gulog, you stand at and

1128
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.640
so not making it through the winter, no matter where it's located, because

1129
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:09.560
it's all going to be around the
Arctic here. If you're a free man

1130
01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:14.880
living in Siberia, come on,
let's face it, you'll be lucky to

1131
01:31:14.920 --> 01:31:19.039
live at sea fifty. I don't
know, I bet you. There's some

1132
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:23.479
of those old timers up there that
are probably one hundred and ten, one

1133
01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:28.000
hundred and twelve. You know,
they smoke three cigarettes a day and probably

1134
01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:30.760
take a half an ounce of liquor
every day, and that's what's got them

1135
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:35.079
going so long. You know,
there's got to be so from the Hindustan

1136
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:41.800
Times, although there are many news
outlets covering this, believe it or not,

1137
01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:45.680
including uh, there was a writer
in the for the Baltimore Sun,

1138
01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:49.000
et cetera. So various news outlets
cross the planet. Here's the headline.

1139
01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:56.199
Iran claims Antarctica. US State Department
responds to a safety challenge against global treaty.

1140
01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:00.239
Let's see, now, I got
this stupid pop up thing in my

1141
01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:04.359
way. I hate these things,
you know that. That's so annoying.

1142
01:32:04.840 --> 01:32:08.079
I was trying to read the text
and it had to get in my way.

1143
01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:14.600
Right, where's it? See?
All right, I'm gonna have to

1144
01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:16.600
go get another news story because I
can't figure out how to close the stupid

1145
01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:25.520
pop up window. Right anyway,
let's see, come on, let's see

1146
01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:30.760
live mint dog. Well, the
moral of this is last Friday, I

1147
01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:39.359
knew that that was Biden's version of
Hillary Clinton falling down, passing out and

1148
01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:44.239
her shoes falling off. Okay,
he's done with he's done with them.

1149
01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:49.760
Of course, the do OJ just
said the other day they stand by hers

1150
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:59.720
findings that our president now has been
legally certified and then bessile. So now

1151
01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:06.239
the cackler, I mean, caamal, these people need to step come on,

1152
01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:12.680
save us some time home, don't
make a some peachous fool. Well,

1153
01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:16.159
I'm sure they're going to try before
the selection in November. But back

1154
01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:20.119
to this headline, I got it
on Mint live mint dot com. So

1155
01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:25.000
there's not a pop up killing me
here about Puerto Rico for some dumb reason,

1156
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.920
probably because we mentioned Puerto Rico before. Now Google's forcing ads at me.

1157
01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:34.039
Anyways. Iran claims property rights to
Antarctica, plans to build a naval

1158
01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:42.439
base. This was published February fifteenth, and Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Shiram

1159
01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:47.239
Irani announced in September last year that
the country owned Antarctica and would build a

1160
01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:53.560
military operation there. Fox News reported
on Thursday, quote, we have property

1161
01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:58.079
rights in the South Pole. We
have a plan to raise our flag there

1162
01:33:58.119 --> 01:34:02.880
and carry out military and scientific work. Fox News quoted Iranian Navy commander Rear

1163
01:34:02.920 --> 01:34:12.039
Admiral Shaharan Irani as saying, then, okay, just just telling you and

1164
01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:14.640
I'll put the link in the chat
room. That's something that I saw.

1165
01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:19.760
Iran Lane claims to Antarctica, so
they want to build a naval base there.

1166
01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:27.680
Good luck with them. There's five
countries, as I recall, or

1167
01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:32.239
something that we've already drew up an
Antarctic treaty. No one can claim it.

1168
01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:42.039
Blah blah blah. The military at
sets and what killed them. Yeah,

1169
01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.800
well, I thought you would have
definitely appreciated, though, Jimmy James,

1170
01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:49.600
because apparently the report originates with Fox. So there you go. Well

1171
01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:54.439
you think about it, though,
Strategically, Antarctica would be a good place

1172
01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:57.640
for naval base because it would be
a short trip to anywhere in the Southern

1173
01:34:57.680 --> 01:35:03.640
Hemisphere. I can't see how people
would want I don't know it just it

1174
01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:11.079
makes so little sense. But but
okay, hey it I I'm just reporting

1175
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:13.640
it. I just work here,
man. I know it's planet Earth at

1176
01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:15.039
all, but i just work here, you know, and I'm not going

1177
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:18.319
to be here forever. So it
is what it is. I'm not responsible

1178
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:24.279
for this stuff. What can I
tell you? So? Oh, you

1179
01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:29.239
know, we forgot to tell people
about Clemente in the chat room. Somebody

1180
01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:31.520
uh mentioned it, but I don't
think you said on air what happened to

1181
01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:38.079
Roberto Clemente? No, yeah,
I'll face shift or mentioned in a room

1182
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:43.560
he was. There was an earthquake
in Nicaragua, and they set up a

1183
01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:47.159
bunch of relief flights to send a
lot of goods down there, and Clemente

1184
01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:54.239
was big in helping get together the
items to be sent and kind of coordinate

1185
01:35:54.319 --> 01:35:57.840
the thing and doing anything he could
for his fame to you know, lend

1186
01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:00.319
a little hand, right, And
apparently the first three flights that were sent

1187
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:04.760
down there got redirected by the government. Basically they just got you know,

1188
01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:11.279
subtracked and and lifted. So the
fourth flight down there, Clementi was going

1189
01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:15.720
to go down on the flight himself, and that flight was apparently overloaded and

1190
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:21.680
crashed shortly after takeoff from Puerto Rico. Right right. So no, I

1191
01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:25.279
just wanted to give people that because
I know we said we'd look at it

1192
01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:27.479
during the break, so I just
wanted to drop it in there. And

1193
01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:31.359
I have put the link to the
Iranian claim on the South Pole in the

1194
01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:34.600
chatroom at Ochelli dot com, which
you can always roll back. If you're

1195
01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:38.880
hearing this in podcast form later,
you can always thank Yeah, he picked

1196
01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:43.800
the South Pole because no one is
there to defend it. I you know,

1197
01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:49.199
I don't know because I've heard so
many wildly different stories about what is

1198
01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:55.800
at the South Pole, what good
the South Pole could do regarding strategic things?

1199
01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:59.159
Uh, you got the flat earthers
telling you that they won't let anybody

1200
01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:02.000
near the South Pole because it will
reveal that we live under a dome if

1201
01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:05.319
you go there, and that the
Earth is indeed flat. You know,

1202
01:37:05.439 --> 01:37:09.600
if you could see it for yourself
from the South Pole very easily. Man.

1203
01:37:09.640 --> 01:37:12.840
I got a question. I got
a question. If the Earth is

1204
01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:18.960
flat and the South Pole where if
we're if the Earth is flat and we

1205
01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:26.119
live under a dome, where is
the South Pole located on the rim the

1206
01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:33.640
side? They don't even now it's
that those are poles, they said,

1207
01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:41.520
pere to cast review. Well there's
a barrier there, right. I think

1208
01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:46.239
if according to Flat and Earth is
the South Pole doesn't exist, then what

1209
01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:50.079
is it that Iran is going to
take over? No? No, no,

1210
01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:59.520
flatter flat don't say there's there's luss
green land there being hidden from No.

1211
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:01.880
I I never heard that. But
flat earthers don't say the South Pole

1212
01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:05.680
doesn't exist. They say that if
you go down there, you'll see the

1213
01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:12.840
end of the earth. If Antonio, yeah, well there you go,

1214
01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:15.880
or you know, possibly there's a
couple of towns in Jersey that seemed like

1215
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:18.720
it too, But yeah, San
Antonio could be. What was that town

1216
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:21.840
that we were in that was really
strange when we were on our way to

1217
01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:27.760
Texas. Uh God, they had
like in the middle of nowhere, there

1218
01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:33.600
was that gas station that had all
that fast food and uh, I wonder

1219
01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:40.279
hold on, let me pull up
maps. Louisiana, Arkansas. I don't

1220
01:38:40.279 --> 01:38:44.039
know what what even state it was
in, but the border in the Texas.

1221
01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:51.720
Let's see, was it near Texarcana? I don't know, let's find

1222
01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:56.560
out. Anyway, I know that
was weird aeric, but when you think

1223
01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:59.439
of the end of the Earth.
But anyhow, they say you could see

1224
01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:01.039
it, like, you know,
it's just brutally obvious that we're under a

1225
01:39:01.079 --> 01:39:06.840
dome there. There's actually a bar
the barrier ends there somehow. Uh you

1226
01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:13.279
know what what barrier being. I
mean, yeah, it's proven that the

1227
01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:15.000
Earth can't be flatter. Cats would
have pushed all the crap off the edge

1228
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:19.760
by now. But I mean,
what is it that they so do they

1229
01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:26.600
recognize the South Pole or where do
they think these polar regions are located on

1230
01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:31.159
this disc that's under a dome.
I'm I do not understand the map that

1231
01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:34.279
I I don't claim to. I
don't go that far into it. I

1232
01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:39.199
just know that it's significant. Hey, look there is another caller, So

1233
01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:43.920
I'm gonna go ahead and see maybe
they have the answer to the flat earth

1234
01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:46.680
question. Jimmy, I'm gonna put
you on hold for a minute here,

1235
01:39:47.439 --> 01:39:50.039
and uh, we're going to take
this other caller. See what's out of

1236
01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:54.399
their mind. Like I said,
perhaps they know what the answer is as

1237
01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:58.520
to the significance of the South Pole
and as to how it is flat earthers

1238
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:01.920
explain that. So you're on the
air, you're an unnamed caller, and

1239
01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:09.079
there you go. What's up?
Hi? Can you hear me? It's

1240
01:40:09.079 --> 01:40:15.359
you're again, Uh, first time
color here. My name is Chris.

1241
01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:17.439
How you doing. Are you guys
doing tonight? Great to hear from me,

1242
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:25.880
Chris, Welcome to the show.
Well, I just tuned in a

1243
01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:29.680
couple of months ago to the conversation. Uh. The only thing I could

1244
01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:34.880
add to this is, well,
I mean theory is that I swall,

1245
01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:42.119
well, our Earth expands past the
ice wall, you know, and it's

1246
01:40:42.279 --> 01:40:45.880
uh, you know, we've all
been said this narrative of a you know,

1247
01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:49.800
everything's limited, you know, just
like the fuel you know, the

1248
01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:54.960
you know, the fossil fuels,
you know what I mean, right,

1249
01:40:55.079 --> 01:41:00.760
like the peakle thing like yeah,
okay, Well mean well, I mean

1250
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:04.079
just like how they've they've laid down
the narrative that you know, uh,

1251
01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:08.720
the oil that we get is you
know, derived from fossils, you know,

1252
01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:13.000
the dinosaurs, which is very finite. You know, there's a very

1253
01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:17.680
finite amount of things. Sorry if
I sound a little nervous, perfectly,

1254
01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:21.680
all right, I understand. But
about the fossil fuels and that that's another

1255
01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:27.239
argument. But I don't necessarily know
about this. You're saying that it goes

1256
01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:31.199
beyond the ice wall. That's there
at the south Pole. Our Earth goes

1257
01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:41.000
past that, not necessarily Earth.
Well, the theory is I don't necessarily

1258
01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:44.800
you know, I'm open minded to
quite a bit of things. I don't

1259
01:41:44.840 --> 01:41:47.000
necessarily buy into anything, you know
what I mean? I see, So

1260
01:41:47.159 --> 01:41:50.680
it's not it's not like your theory
that you believe in, but you understand

1261
01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:55.359
it to be this way. Okay, gotcha? Go ahead, yes,

1262
01:41:55.399 --> 01:42:00.680
sir, And the theory would be
the you know that basically the we've been

1263
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.520
led to believe that we you know, if you buy into the current globe

1264
01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:09.359
narrative, you know the that we've
we've all been given, you know,

1265
01:42:09.439 --> 01:42:15.840
provided with the brainwashed with that we
only have this limited amount of land,

1266
01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:19.960
we only have this limited amount of
resources, and you know there's nothing beyond

1267
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:26.359
that. But within the I guess
within the flat earth community, you know,

1268
01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:33.239
interesting perspective that they have is that, yeah, that there is this

1269
01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:40.840
ice wall, you know, surrounding
the globe or you know, and beyond

1270
01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:49.800
that ice wall where we've been restricted
from venture and past that it's essentially I

1271
01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:57.560
wouldn't say it never ending, but
a very expensive amount of land that maybe

1272
01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:03.319
so the flat Earth contribute. It's
Okay, let me ask you a question.

1273
01:43:03.439 --> 01:43:06.680
So what you're telling me is in
that community, the flat earth is

1274
01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:14.680
much larger than the globe representation that
is rather limited, and it's just that

1275
01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:17.199
we're restricted by this wall. Do
you know anything about the dome theory,

1276
01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:20.800
because I've heard about this being part
of it too, that there's sort of

1277
01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:28.399
an entire dome over us that you
know, would make it completely impossible for

1278
01:43:28.439 --> 01:43:30.520
any of the possible you know,
the space travel stuff that we've been fed

1279
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:38.680
that that there's this physical barrier up
there that we're contained within. Actually that

1280
01:43:38.760 --> 01:43:41.000
the ice wall is part of it. On the ground, yes, but

1281
01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:48.119
there's literally like a dome over top
of us as well. Have you uh

1282
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:51.399
yeah, it comes down and ties
into it. But it's sort of like

1283
01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:56.960
it's almost like somebody took and put
like one of those cake covers on top

1284
01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:00.159
of an area and they've limited us
to under the cake cover. Is the

1285
01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:04.239
concept that was explained to me.
Now I don't know if it's you know,

1286
01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:08.000
I don't know if this is the
prevailing thing, because again I don't

1287
01:44:08.039 --> 01:44:11.640
know a lot of flat Earthers.
But but that's the way it was explained

1288
01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:16.960
to me. Do you know anything
about that. Yeah, I'm somewhat familiar

1289
01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:19.600
with that. I mean, well, once again, that would be essentially

1290
01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:24.600
the firmament, I mean the most
within the flat ear at the community.

1291
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:30.840
Most people don't think that you can
you can penetrate the firmament. Okay,

1292
01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:36.159
I mean there's there's some people that
kind of equate you know what we think

1293
01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:41.720
of a space as being like a
liquid m hm, you know what I

1294
01:44:41.720 --> 01:44:48.479
mean. And it's I'm not I
wasn't. Jesus, I apologize. Check,

1295
01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:53.119
don't worry about it. Why I
am a I am a fan of

1296
01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:57.479
you, sir. I've heard you
on a well I heard of you originally

1297
01:44:57.520 --> 01:45:02.279
on the Ripple Effect and then i'
heard you union I wanted and uh,

1298
01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:06.800
you know, ever since then,
I've kind of jumped on the chuckle chilly

1299
01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:13.880
bandwagon. So I honestly didn't expect
to be, uh be brought on the

1300
01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:17.760
first time calling. Oh that's kind
of where I live with, you know,

1301
01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:21.279
I'm calling for my cell phone and
that's how I listened to you too,

1302
01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:27.359
is you know some podcast apps.
So I apologize not at all.

1303
01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:30.279
You're not contributing. No, you're
doing great, Chris, You're doing great.

1304
01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:34.960
You know Look, I'm asking you
questions because this is another perspective that's

1305
01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:40.159
not mine. So open, I'm
openly asking you questions. Uh, you

1306
01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:42.720
know, and uh, I'm not
trying to pressure you. I appreciate you

1307
01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:45.720
calling in though, because again you
are adding a great deal to the conversation

1308
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:50.600
as far as I'm concerned. You
know, is was there something outside of

1309
01:45:50.600 --> 01:45:55.159
that that you wanted to talk about
or uh, did you want to continue

1310
01:45:55.199 --> 01:46:02.880
discussing this? No, I think
out a little if you want to take

1311
01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:08.800
the ball after this, I don't, like I said, I honestly in

1312
01:46:08.840 --> 01:46:12.960
the hundred percent expect to get through. And I apologize if I wasted any

1313
01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:17.159
time. Not at all, Not
at all. Yeah, no, not

1314
01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:19.359
at all. Tell you what,
Chris, I'm gonna put you on hold,

1315
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:23.920
okay, and anybody else can join
in to the conversation. We still

1316
01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:27.680
got a little time left here on
the live broadcast. Uh So, Chris,

1317
01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:30.560
look, you did great, and
I'll come back around you before we're

1318
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:34.199
done. If you hang on and
at least let you get a final word

1319
01:46:34.239 --> 01:46:38.000
for the week, which is what
I do with anybody who's on hold when

1320
01:46:38.039 --> 01:46:41.960
we finish the show. Uh.
And I do this every Friday, with

1321
01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:45.119
my co host b Pete. So
be Pete, you know, I don't

1322
01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:49.479
explore the flat earth thing too much. I don't. I don't buy it

1323
01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:54.600
personally. A lot of the evidence
that people have tried to give me about

1324
01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:59.279
it doesn't make sense. But there's
a lot of true believers out there,

1325
01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:01.399
and what can I say? I
mean, you know, I just wanted

1326
01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:04.479
to ask him a couple of questions
since he seemed to be a little more

1327
01:47:04.479 --> 01:47:08.760
familiar with it. But Chris,
no, you did great, by the

1328
01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:12.159
way, so please, yeah,
hang on and we'll get to you towards

1329
01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:15.960
the end. Any thoughts on what
Chris had to say there, Bepete,

1330
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.960
Well, so, I mean,
I'm talking with someone like Chris that knows

1331
01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:25.840
anything about it is a learning experience
for me because that's something I've not kept

1332
01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:29.600
up with, the flat earth or
so, you know. I just I'm

1333
01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:31.720
like you, I don't buy it
unless you can show me some data.

1334
01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:35.640
I don't know. Maybe I've got
enough of an engineering background, but it

1335
01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:41.680
doesn't make sense to me. But
yeah, anytime someone can come on and

1336
01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:45.399
you fill me in on something like
that, I enjoy it. I'm glad

1337
01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:48.279
Chris called in. I've just not
kept up with it and I don't find

1338
01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:50.840
any interest in it, and I
don't see how could it's feasible. So,

1339
01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:55.239
but that's one of those things that
you've got, you know, people

1340
01:47:55.279 --> 01:47:59.720
that are steadfast in their belief and
I guess that's what makes this world go

1341
01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:02.760
round. Yeah, and look,
you know, I have an odd view

1342
01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:05.199
of it anyway. You know,
Like the idea is like, well,

1343
01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:08.279
you don't think the government would lie
to you? Yeah, I do believe

1344
01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:10.960
the government would lie to me.
You know. Even he brings up this

1345
01:48:11.079 --> 01:48:16.239
idea about the fluidic space concept,
right, that is not outside of the

1346
01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:19.800
realm of possibilities. I mean,
you or I have not been to space.

1347
01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:24.359
You know what do we have?
We have pictures, we have stories,

1348
01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:28.000
and to say that, you know, things couldn't be generated to convince

1349
01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:33.760
us of certain things would be a
juvenile. Right, It's a possibility that,

1350
01:48:33.880 --> 01:48:38.000
you know, space is not as
represented. I can tell you that

1351
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:40.880
the way. Well, let me
ask you. Do flat earthers believe that

1352
01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:45.239
we've been to the moon? I
don't think most of them do, but

1353
01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:47.800
you know, but but then again
I don't want to speak for them,

1354
01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:51.760
that's for sure. Well, does
like the dome have like a garage door

1355
01:48:51.800 --> 01:48:55.800
opener or something that they can put
in the space shuttle and het it right

1356
01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:58.520
before they get there and open it
up. No, no, maybe that's

1357
01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:00.920
why. Maybe that's why the challenge
exploded. Somebody didn't open the gate.

1358
01:49:01.640 --> 01:49:05.560
Well, you know. The fluidic
space concept, though, reminds me of

1359
01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:11.920
an old well not very old,
but an older Star Trek episode where you

1360
01:49:11.960 --> 01:49:15.199
know, there's other dimensional possibilities and
they wind up in a fluidic space.

1361
01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:24.800
Voyager it winds up in a fluidic
space when they sought to make a pact

1362
01:49:24.800 --> 01:49:29.680
with the Borg actually because they were
getting destroyed by this other dimensional species.

1363
01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:33.199
And the idea that you know,
space looks like it's filled with one thing,

1364
01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:36.479
and it might be filled with something
else, and maybe space indeed is

1365
01:49:36.520 --> 01:49:43.640
not. Space is feasible in my
mind, and I would have to say

1366
01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:45.600
that I don't know for certain anything
because I haven't been out of space.

1367
01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:49.560
I will tell you this though,
and it's something that I've observed my whole

1368
01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:53.359
life and have found strange. Whenever
I bring it up, it always is

1369
01:49:53.399 --> 01:50:00.640
a great conversation killer. The way
that people explain the Sun has never been

1370
01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:04.000
correct based on what I see this
idea that you know, people believe that

1371
01:50:04.039 --> 01:50:10.920
the Sun beams light down on us
is not accurate. It doesn't. Okay,

1372
01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:13.920
that's not what it looks like it's
doing. To me. What I

1373
01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:20.239
see it doing is sending energy and
the planet lights up. And it's sort

1374
01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:27.239
of like how you can send electricity
to a fluorescent light bulb. Well,

1375
01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:30.640
you know, you don't literally send
light into the bulb, and therefore the

1376
01:50:30.640 --> 01:50:34.279
bulb has light. Planet Earth is
effectively a fluorescent light bulb. And what

1377
01:50:34.399 --> 01:50:41.800
happens is the energetic beaming from the
Sun doesn't actually have light to it.

1378
01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:46.920
Light is the creation when the thing's
here on Earth or in this you know,

1379
01:50:47.359 --> 01:50:51.640
in this place where we are.
We're saying, the Earth lights up

1380
01:50:51.760 --> 01:50:56.840
like it's got street glow or something
attached. That's what it lights up.

1381
01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:01.720
Yeah, yeah, that's what it
looks like to me. Correct. That

1382
01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:06.760
is how do you explain how do
you explain shadows and having a one light

1383
01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:14.159
source from the sun, because once
light is generated, okay, across this

1384
01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:18.760
very small uh particulate you know,
realm all the stuff that's in the you

1385
01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:23.039
know, you know how you realize
air is not just you know empty in

1386
01:51:23.079 --> 01:51:26.399
air? Wait, what part lights
up. Are you saying the atmosphere lights

1387
01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:29.319
up or the earth itself? I
mean, I don't you losing here.

1388
01:51:29.479 --> 01:51:33.079
I'm saying the the atmosphere collectively,
and I can see it, but I

1389
01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:39.159
don't have a good explanation for it
collectively, like air basically, and all

1390
01:51:39.159 --> 01:51:44.119
the things in the air generate light. Now objects intervene in that light,

1391
01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:48.479
and you can have shadows from it
and everything else because it comes from a

1392
01:51:48.520 --> 01:51:53.840
certain directionality, it travels from a
certain direction the energy does, and it

1393
01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:59.279
creates a direction for light to travel. But literally, it's not light beaming

1394
01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:03.199
through space on to the Earth from
the sun. Well, if it was

1395
01:52:03.279 --> 01:52:09.119
the atmosphere lighting up, how do
you explain nighttime versus stay time? Because

1396
01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:13.119
then it's not being directly charged.
It's sort of like moving the electrical source

1397
01:52:13.159 --> 01:52:17.159
away from the bulb. That's well, but you can't light half a filament.

1398
01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:20.920
Well see what I'm saying. Yes
you can't light to be able,

1399
01:52:21.159 --> 01:52:25.399
Yes you can when you know you
can't light half a filament when you have

1400
01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:30.199
Okay, when you have a fluorescent
bulb, right and you put electricity on

1401
01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:31.920
one you can put electricity on one
part of the bulb and light half the

1402
01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:43.359
bulb. Sure you can, that
happens all the time. Huh, you

1403
01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:47.239
don't. Okay, you've never taken
electricity and externally put it near like a

1404
01:52:47.239 --> 01:52:51.520
fluorescent tube. Yes, yes,
yes, I understand what you're saying.

1405
01:52:51.560 --> 01:52:56.279
But the atmosphere itself, Okay,
if you take the atmosphere of the Earth

1406
01:52:56.319 --> 01:53:00.960
and what it's made of, Okay, moisture you've got, you know,

1407
01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:05.560
oxygen and other chemicals and in a
certain amount of water, vapor and and

1408
01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:12.439
so this atmosphere is lighting up.
But it's all interconnected. So how do

1409
01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:19.479
you stop the light from moving across
one half of the atmosphere which would cause

1410
01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:27.720
nighttime? And how does this with
the rotation of the Earth. What coordinates

1411
01:53:27.760 --> 01:53:32.680
the light on a certain part of
the Earth, which just happens to correspond

1412
01:53:32.760 --> 01:53:38.920
with whatever side is pointing forces the
Sun's curious like this. When you put

1413
01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:41.439
like say, a heater in a
pool, right, and you're heating the

1414
01:53:41.479 --> 01:53:45.159
deep end of the pool, it
doesn't always get all the way to the

1415
01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:48.760
other end until after a while,
right, it builds up, But it

1416
01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:55.800
will eventually transfer heat will transfer through
that liquid medium eventually up us all of

1417
01:53:55.960 --> 01:53:59.199
Yeah, eventually, yes, and
The only reason why it does that is

1418
01:53:59.239 --> 01:54:01.560
because of the co vision of the
water, because water is a lot more

1419
01:54:01.600 --> 01:54:08.079
tightly packed than what we have here
in the atmosphere. Condition. No,

1420
01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:13.439
it happens because if heat transfer from
materials. Okay, but that's my point,

1421
01:54:13.600 --> 01:54:15.720
is that that's the heat transferred from
materials. But again, if you

1422
01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:20.239
light up a fluorescent bulb and you
apply electricity to the outside of that bulb,

1423
01:54:20.680 --> 01:54:24.359
you can literally light up part of
the bulb or part of the bulb

1424
01:54:24.439 --> 01:54:29.920
remains dark. It happens. It
doesn't necessarily follow all the way through because

1425
01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:34.039
we all live in We don't live
in an atmosphere that's the equivalent to fluorescent

1426
01:54:34.119 --> 01:54:39.680
gas. It's a lot more similar
to that than what they explain about light

1427
01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:43.000
beaming from the sun. Light doesn't
beam from the sun intervening we don't have

1428
01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:46.760
light in between the planet and well
then how come when the moon moves between

1429
01:54:46.840 --> 01:54:49.800
us and the Sun we go dark? Well, because it blocks it.

1430
01:54:51.399 --> 01:54:55.760
Well, then you're saying, but
that's not what lights us. Yeah,

1431
01:54:55.880 --> 01:55:00.199
objects, no, it does light
up. See, this is why it's

1432
01:54:59.880 --> 01:55:02.680
a so hard for me to explain. It transfers energy to here, and

1433
01:55:02.840 --> 01:55:10.079
like I see, like we had
this discussion halfway between Shreeport and Montgomery,

1434
01:55:10.119 --> 01:55:15.560
Alabama. Now, because I'm not
getting it's just like a political discussion.

1435
01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:21.840
I'm not getting how you can light
up the half the atmosphere. But yet

1436
01:55:23.159 --> 01:55:27.800
you say that the Sun doesn't deem
light to us, but if the Moon

1437
01:55:27.880 --> 01:55:30.600
gets between us, it blocks the
light that hits us. I don't know.

1438
01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:33.920
Well, the Moon doesn't block the
light, it blocks the energy which

1439
01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:38.720
is coming from the Sun. Well, then how come the far side of

1440
01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:42.520
the Moon that's pointing towards the Sun
is lit but we're not because it's between

1441
01:55:42.600 --> 01:55:46.880
us. You say the atmosphere on
the Moon is the same as Earth.

1442
01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:51.000
I'm not sure exactly. Like I
said, I can see it happen,

1443
01:55:51.319 --> 01:55:56.079
but I don't have a scientific explanation
for it. And how do you synchronize

1444
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:59.880
it so that the part of the
Earth that stays lit, the half the

1445
01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:03.520
fluorescent bulb that's lit, is always
the side that's pointed towards the Sun.

1446
01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:10.399
Because it has directionality, it is
it is relevant to the direction to the

1447
01:56:10.439 --> 01:56:18.680
exposure. That's why I know it. Like I said, it's one of

1448
01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:27.079
these things I can see and I
can't explains. It's weird. I'm telling

1449
01:56:27.119 --> 01:56:30.279
you. The political discussion, by
the way, is that I said that

1450
01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:35.359
all this is orchestrated to actually,
you know, reinstall Donald Trump. All

1451
01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:41.760
these attacks on him and everything are
actually orchestrated for that purpose. And vpete

1452
01:56:42.319 --> 01:56:45.960
that was the discussion. He was
frustrated with we didn't have this discussion,

1453
01:56:46.760 --> 01:56:55.279
and uh, yeah, let's see
in the chat room. Let's see.

1454
01:56:55.319 --> 01:57:00.920
The sun transmits an extremely broad spectrum
electromagnetic field. Yeah, but that's my

1455
01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:04.960
point. That's all it does.
It doesn't beam light. It does mean

1456
01:57:05.079 --> 01:57:09.840
that if that's the energy I'm seeing
move, then fine, it's an electromagnetic

1457
01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:14.079
field. Fair enough. Like I
said, I don't have the scientific particulars

1458
01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:16.199
for this, because then how can
you explain Okay, well, then how

1459
01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:23.439
would you explain this? Then?
If the sun does not produce the series

1460
01:57:23.479 --> 01:57:30.439
of light rays that it produces.
Okay, how do you explain color in

1461
01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:42.880
today's world? Because color, when
we see color, it's because the whatever

1462
01:57:43.079 --> 01:57:49.800
shoe that object is absorbs all visible
light rays except that color that you see

1463
01:57:50.199 --> 01:57:55.600
right, it's being reflected. Okay. So when you look at the blue

1464
01:57:55.680 --> 01:57:59.560
sky, well, let's say you're
looking at a blue ball, right,

1465
01:58:00.239 --> 01:58:04.279
it's got surface, whether it's paint
or whatever. The surface is absorbs all

1466
01:58:04.319 --> 01:58:10.800
the light rays except blue. Now, how do you explain color based on

1467
01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:15.319
an electromagnetic pulse, Well, not
even a pulse. It's got to be

1468
01:58:15.359 --> 01:58:19.560
a constant emission of energy it is
that can be blocked by the moon.

1469
01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:28.079
Yeah, but I don't know how
this color works. It's because of the

1470
01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:31.680
size of the object. Look,
I'm not denying that light exists, Okay,

1471
01:58:32.039 --> 01:58:36.680
I can because most light is broken
down spectraally to me anyway, Like

1472
01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:40.479
the color white is not a solid
color to me, It never has been.

1473
01:58:41.680 --> 01:58:48.039
It's a continuously in motion spectrum of
various colors. Anything that is actually

1474
01:58:48.039 --> 01:58:51.800
true white does that. I see
all sorts of colors in it constantly,

1475
01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:57.279
and they're moving. And there's a
particular design pattern that I don't necessarily understand.

1476
01:58:57.279 --> 01:59:00.239
And I've tried to draw it for
people and explain it, and it

1477
01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:03.279
doesn't make sense to them. So
what can I tell you? But light

1478
01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:10.920
rays exist as a result of a
reaction. Here, they're not transmitted directly.

1479
01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:15.880
The energy is and energy can be
intervened also, you know, thinking

1480
01:59:15.880 --> 01:59:19.039
about heating up the pool, you
know you can indeed heat the surface of

1481
01:59:19.079 --> 01:59:23.560
the ocean because of the size of
it. And then the further down you

1482
01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:27.479
go it gets away from the heat
source. It doesn't make the entirety of

1483
01:59:27.520 --> 01:59:31.479
the ocean right after a while because
of the distance. Because of the size,

1484
01:59:31.600 --> 01:59:36.880
the entirety of the ocean isn't necessarily
warm because one section is superheated even

1485
01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:45.159
right, and even there the density
of water is obviously greater than the density

1486
01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:49.000
of the entirety of the atmosphere and
air. I mean, for all I

1487
01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:53.239
know, it's air that's being lit
up and not lit up. And also

1488
01:59:53.359 --> 01:59:57.239
notice when you don't have light,
you don't as easily see any color because

1489
01:59:57.760 --> 02:00:01.560
like even when you see minimally in
the dark most people, but you need

1490
02:00:01.600 --> 02:00:04.359
to I don't know, maybe you
need to come up with a better example

1491
02:00:04.399 --> 02:00:10.239
of the heater in the pool because
you're talking about two different types of energy.

1492
02:00:10.279 --> 02:00:17.520
You're talking thermal energy versus light energy. Well, it could be so.

1493
02:00:19.079 --> 02:00:26.439
But just like thermal energy ends up
making things glow, right, there

1494
02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:31.920
could be multiple waves of energy here
contained in what the Sun transmits, and

1495
02:00:31.960 --> 02:00:38.039
there could indeed be thermal energy.
There could indeed be this other thing that

1496
02:00:38.279 --> 02:00:41.479
I don't know, Maybe it's the
thermal energy itself that lights up the sky.

1497
02:00:41.560 --> 02:00:43.800
But then again, on a warm
night it can still be dark.

1498
02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:47.319
So I don't think that's the answer, but it could be multiple things are

1499
02:00:47.399 --> 02:00:53.600
sent that way, right, and
there you go as a result of this

1500
02:00:53.640 --> 02:00:59.760
stuff, you know, like in
other words, so how much stravity?

1501
02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:05.800
How much does the spin of the
earth, How much does that affect the

1502
02:01:05.840 --> 02:01:12.119
flow of light across the surface,
keeping in mind that it's always on the

1503
02:01:12.199 --> 02:01:18.520
side this pointed towards the sun,
is it? I don't know, I

1504
02:01:18.640 --> 02:01:21.960
don't know how to ask this.
It's all because of the exposure that we're

1505
02:01:21.960 --> 02:01:26.720
getting the light anyway, so it's
a matter of exposure there, and yeah,

1506
02:01:26.720 --> 02:01:30.000
it can be blocked, which you
know, again is a weird thing

1507
02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:36.720
because but you're saying that our light
in our atmosphere is a reaction from energy

1508
02:01:36.800 --> 02:01:42.520
being sent from the sun, not
actually light waves being sent from the sun.

1509
02:01:43.279 --> 02:01:47.079
So how do you explain light waves
if what we're seeing in our atmosphere

1510
02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:53.880
is nothing more than a what an
electrical reaction to the makeup of the atmosphere.

1511
02:01:56.000 --> 02:02:00.199
Yeah, basically that's the concept.
Again, I don't I do not

1512
02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:05.800
claim to have the scientific explanation here. I'm just saying that the scientific explanation

1513
02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:11.680
does not appear to be correct,
is all I'm saying. It comes up

1514
02:02:11.720 --> 02:02:15.840
false from what I observe based on
the fact that, like, here's the

1515
02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:21.119
thing, and I'm certain that if
you were to go into outer space and

1516
02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:28.359
not have the benefit of one of
these planetoids or whatever, you would not

1517
02:02:28.439 --> 02:02:33.960
see the Sun. Now, it
might indeed send you know, enough heat

1518
02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:39.720
to burn you and everything else,
but they wouldn't say it. You wouldn't

1519
02:02:39.760 --> 02:02:45.760
see the Sun, right, it's
not a fireball. Well then why is

1520
02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:48.960
it a fireball here but not in
space on the other side of our atmosphere?

1521
02:02:49.840 --> 02:02:54.319
Well, because again it's the reaction. It's what you're seeing, and

1522
02:02:54.359 --> 02:02:58.840
that doesn't even necessarily represent the proper
size of the damn thing because of the

1523
02:02:58.920 --> 02:03:02.359
visual If you're only able to visualize, you know, it's sort of like

1524
02:03:02.960 --> 02:03:06.119
you get heat from a flame.
You don't necessarily have to touch the part

1525
02:03:06.159 --> 02:03:14.279
of the visible flame, right,
Yeah, because heat goes beyond the thing

1526
02:03:14.359 --> 02:03:19.039
that is it's you know, it's
really the sun. If it's not what

1527
02:03:19.239 --> 02:03:28.760
is the sun that it's able to
produce this energy? I mean, you're

1528
02:03:28.800 --> 02:03:32.720
saying that once we leave our atmosphere
we would not see the Sun. No,

1529
02:03:32.760 --> 02:03:36.520
I don't believe so. I think
it's a very particular type of radiator.

1530
02:03:36.680 --> 02:03:41.279
What were they looking at from the
moon? Yeah, well that's the

1531
02:03:41.359 --> 02:03:45.880
interesting thing, right is that how
does their thermal Wait a minute, Wait

1532
02:03:45.920 --> 02:03:49.399
a minute. If if that's the
case, then how would they know where

1533
02:03:49.399 --> 02:03:54.119
to point? I mean they look. You can look at the Sun and

1534
02:03:54.199 --> 02:03:59.000
point a solar panel towards it,
but if you get outside of our atmosphere,

1535
02:03:59.039 --> 02:04:01.479
you wouldn't see this. So how
would you know where to point?

1536
02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:06.920
I mean, how would you know
where? Direction? Was tased on what?

1537
02:04:08.079 --> 02:04:13.319
Some magnetic some magnetic pulse that comes
from from what, Well, the

1538
02:04:13.399 --> 02:04:15.159
heat that radiates off of the thing
would indicate you know, you know the

1539
02:04:15.199 --> 02:04:20.520
direction where that's most rotating around a
sun. We're rotating around a star.

1540
02:04:23.039 --> 02:04:28.279
So what is it that we're the
minute we leave our atmosphere, we wouldn't

1541
02:04:28.279 --> 02:04:32.960
know which direction to look other than
a magnetic pull based on the gravitational pull

1542
02:04:32.960 --> 02:04:36.720
of us around the Sun. No, you can see you can see other

1543
02:04:36.840 --> 02:04:41.119
stars. Those other stars have other
properties. I'm saying that this is a

1544
02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:43.960
very special You can see the other
stars. Why would you see the sun?

1545
02:04:44.039 --> 02:04:47.159
A star? Is a star.
That's another thing I think is not

1546
02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:51.159
true. I think that not everything
that you see is precisely what they tell

1547
02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:54.880
you it is. When it comes
to these stars. For instance, we

1548
02:04:54.960 --> 02:04:59.439
know for certain that certain planets are
visible from a distance. Why because the

1549
02:04:59.560 --> 02:05:03.920
star beams light on it. You
know, you don't see the intervening light

1550
02:05:03.960 --> 02:05:09.840
though, do you? You take
a look at you there's a lot you

1551
02:05:09.880 --> 02:05:15.520
don't see, but you you don't
see light unless there's something for it to

1552
02:05:15.600 --> 02:05:21.159
reflect off of. Yeah, so
yes, you're gonna see the reflection on

1553
02:05:21.199 --> 02:05:25.479
those planets. That's how you know
that they're there. Yeah, of course,

1554
02:05:27.359 --> 02:05:30.479
Well if the Sun wasn't admitting the
light. Oh are you saying their

1555
02:05:30.520 --> 02:05:33.439
atmosphere is worked the same way ours
does and they just light up half at

1556
02:05:33.479 --> 02:05:36.800
a time. Whatever I have is
pointing towards the Sun. No, I

1557
02:05:36.840 --> 02:05:40.239
have no idea. But take a
look at the fact that you can see

1558
02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:45.399
completely round things right from a distance. Why is it that only half of

1559
02:05:45.439 --> 02:05:50.760
our planet is lit right? And
meanwhile you can see a whole spere because

1560
02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:56.199
there's only one side pointing towards the
Sun. I understand, But what is

1561
02:05:56.199 --> 02:05:58.960
it on our side? Or is
it which side is that you see what

1562
02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:01.640
I'm getting out of here. Look, it doesn't matter. I don't have

1563
02:06:01.880 --> 02:06:06.359
all of the answers. I'm just
telling you that I see this reaction occurring

1564
02:06:06.479 --> 02:06:12.680
as opposed to light beams coming down. That's all I'm saying. And I

1565
02:06:13.039 --> 02:06:15.960
don't know how to account for it
because I have no point of reference.

1566
02:06:15.960 --> 02:06:20.279
I have nobody else to discuss it
with. Okay, so I don't have

1567
02:06:20.319 --> 02:06:25.039
anybody to even share this with to
explain it to. I've tried this a

1568
02:06:25.079 --> 02:06:29.159
few times, by the way,
and I get it. You're You're exactly

1569
02:06:29.239 --> 02:06:32.239
the last guy I should try it
with. But it's okay, I know,

1570
02:06:32.359 --> 02:06:35.199
because I frustrate you with other stuff
like this where I have certain thought

1571
02:06:35.279 --> 02:06:39.680
processes. You know what they'll be, Pete, We've actually run all the

1572
02:06:39.680 --> 02:06:42.119
way out of time. So I
want to get back around to the callers

1573
02:06:42.760 --> 02:06:46.680
and give them a chance to throw
in a final word, which might just

1574
02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:50.960
be chuck your nuts. Uh.
And that's that's fine too, And maybe

1575
02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:56.239
I am that's that's cool. Maybe
the world just looks different to me and

1576
02:06:56.239 --> 02:07:00.279
I'm entertained with it. What can
I say? Maybe there's other things I

1577
02:07:00.279 --> 02:07:03.880
see in the world that look different. Too. Stay tuned, you'll find

1578
02:07:03.880 --> 02:07:10.359
out. Okay. But anyhow,
so what do you say, should we

1579
02:07:10.399 --> 02:07:15.399
be thinking for a while? I
know, I know, And every time

1580
02:07:15.439 --> 02:07:17.159
I do this, somebody takes a
while thinks about it, and after a

1581
02:07:17.159 --> 02:07:20.720
while they abandoned it and they just
you know, it ends up just I'm

1582
02:07:20.920 --> 02:07:25.520
I know, I'm nuts. It's
okay, It's okay to be a little

1583
02:07:25.520 --> 02:07:30.159
crazy. Really it is that are
what you're talking about Willis moment for the

1584
02:07:30.159 --> 02:07:33.119
week, So could be, could
be? And I didn't even get to

1585
02:07:33.159 --> 02:07:35.920
play any Fanny Willis or anything like
I said. She had a bit of

1586
02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:40.439
a meltdown on the on the stand. We didn't really cover that. But

1587
02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:45.840
should we go to Jimmy James or
Chris first? Sure? Maybe, well

1588
02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:47.800
let's go to Jimmy James. Maybe
he can answer a question where Fanny got

1589
02:07:47.800 --> 02:07:51.119
all our cash? Oh? Hey? You know? And and I'm thinking

1590
02:07:51.159 --> 02:07:57.159
it's looking worse and worse for that
case against Trump and Georgia just saying no,

1591
02:07:57.279 --> 02:08:00.920
it won't necessarily dismiss it. But
looks to me like that case is

1592
02:08:00.960 --> 02:08:05.399
getting weaker and weaker. Be Pete, what do you think I think it's

1593
02:08:05.560 --> 02:08:07.600
I think she's gonna get tossed,
and then the case is gonna get tossed.

1594
02:08:09.079 --> 02:08:11.880
Uh yeah, well you know,
and then one by one, each

1595
02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:16.079
of these things will fall either on
appeal in the Supreme Court or just because

1596
02:08:16.119 --> 02:08:22.039
of inaction, or it'll be actionable
and useful, much like Trump used to

1597
02:08:22.119 --> 02:08:26.359
use his bankruptcies for reorganization. I
think we'll be looking at that as well.

1598
02:08:26.399 --> 02:08:30.520
But you know, politics is going
to be lit up, and something

1599
02:08:30.600 --> 02:08:35.920
like nearly half the world's population is
re selecting new leaders all across the planet,

1600
02:08:35.960 --> 02:08:39.399
huh, or maybe across the firmament
or the flat earth or whatever.

1601
02:08:39.960 --> 02:08:46.359
So Jimmy James, maybe you've got
some answers or something. But either way,

1602
02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:54.840
your final word for the week,
my friend by everyone. If Fanning

1603
02:08:54.920 --> 02:09:01.279
will this gets her financial advice from
Senator and Mendez, No, only that

1604
02:09:01.520 --> 02:09:09.159
of gold Box. She went with
staxicatch. But that's obvious what's going on

1605
02:09:09.359 --> 02:09:18.359
here. This wasn't a real prosecution. This was, as the judge said

1606
02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:26.520
today to one of her lover's partners, Oh my god, you're an attorney.

1607
02:09:26.760 --> 02:09:31.079
I don't you both think you know
what the term fostil witness means.

1608
02:09:31.960 --> 02:09:39.680
And that's a general problem I've been
seeing across the country's Ah, it is

1609
02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:48.560
basically more on somehow, for some
reason, slipping by while not actually knowing

1610
02:09:48.600 --> 02:09:54.319
the law or even basic history.
Anyways, I think Fanny will has made

1611
02:09:54.359 --> 02:10:01.960
up this whole prosecution her and that
dude been gathers Is twenty nineteen. This

1612
02:10:01.159 --> 02:10:05.479
is a way to share the bread, so she hooked up her boyfriend.

1613
02:10:05.560 --> 02:10:13.920
This is a criminal conspiracy to make
profit. And it just happens to also

1614
02:10:15.039 --> 02:10:22.560
go along with their little political Marxist
beliefs and whatnot. But uh oh,

1615
02:10:22.760 --> 02:10:31.600
and also that such yeah, I
what Fanny did Willis did in court yesterday,

1616
02:10:31.640 --> 02:10:39.159
of course, was absurd. She
should have been censored, just like

1617
02:10:39.439 --> 02:10:46.159
any other person who was acting crazy
in court, who's acting like the prosecutor

1618
02:10:46.199 --> 02:10:54.399
when she was the deep van Dent
and judge was unusually restrained. Well,

1619
02:10:54.720 --> 02:10:58.319
be careful, Jerry, and you
know, be careful, Jimmy. You're

1620
02:10:58.359 --> 02:11:00.720
you're all of a sudden going to
start to say, like some of my

1621
02:11:00.800 --> 02:11:05.960
crazy talk when I say that the
majority of your alleged lawyers don't know any

1622
02:11:05.039 --> 02:11:13.159
law at all, because they don't, Okay, might want to be careful

1623
02:11:13.159 --> 02:11:18.479
of that one. But there there's
other reasons to stay tuned into the different

1624
02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:22.039
dramas. Right, I'm sure that's
going to collapse. That that that whole

1625
02:11:22.239 --> 02:11:24.800
thing, and what do you expect, right, I mean, it's that's

1626
02:11:24.840 --> 02:11:28.560
where it's going. I don't care
what your justification is for it. It's

1627
02:11:28.600 --> 02:11:33.319
gonna collapse. That is where it's
gonna go. That one. There you

1628
02:11:33.359 --> 02:11:39.439
go. But you know, any
of these wacky Democrat cheries, all they

1629
02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:45.039
need is all the Democrats are looking
for is a fake black mark so they

1630
02:11:45.079 --> 02:11:50.880
can reject when Trump is duly elected, and they're going to cause problems.

1631
02:11:50.920 --> 02:12:00.840
Well on this whole sun issue,
I just okay. And in the opinion

1632
02:12:00.920 --> 02:12:03.960
that Jimmy James, who is not
a scientist, physicist, or most such

1633
02:12:05.039 --> 02:12:09.640
thing. My understanding is the sun's
a giant. Well, it was the

1634
02:12:09.760 --> 02:12:18.399
star and now it's mostly just a
gas ball of fire that's unbelievably hot.

1635
02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:24.039
And yes it does he meant great
heat, and yes it does, he

1636
02:12:24.159 --> 02:12:33.199
meant ud race. This is undeniable, however, and defense possibly of what

1637
02:12:33.319 --> 02:12:37.600
Chuck's saying. You know, there's
a reason why every you know, all

1638
02:12:37.640 --> 02:12:41.119
these moon crackheads that say we weren't
there, Well, why is it all

1639
02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:46.680
lit up? Because it's the moon. It's luminous. The sun makes it

1640
02:12:46.760 --> 02:12:54.880
bright. So yeah, there is
that. I'm really confused by this whole

1641
02:12:54.960 --> 02:13:00.640
sun thing. I gotta I don't
know. I know, it's it's a

1642
02:13:00.680 --> 02:13:05.640
headscratcher. Yeah, imagine being me, Jimmy James, who's looking at it,

1643
02:13:05.680 --> 02:13:11.159
going, that's not the way that
works. Uh, it just doesn't

1644
02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:13.479
look right according to what they're telling
me. What can I say? I

1645
02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:18.479
mean, you know, uh,
the blind the black guy. As a

1646
02:13:18.560 --> 02:13:24.640
partially blind guy, you do literally
see things differently than us. That's why

1647
02:13:24.720 --> 02:13:33.560
I don't necessarily fool you. You
literally see things with your eyes differently than

1648
02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:37.479
us. Yeah. Yeah, well
maybe you have an insight that I know,

1649
02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:41.840
I don't know. Yeah. Well, the lack the lack of pigmentation

1650
02:13:41.079 --> 02:13:48.960
causes greater greater exposure to various spectrums
of light and things that other people do

1651
02:13:48.039 --> 02:13:52.000
not see generally, you know,
Like I've explained on this show several times,

1652
02:13:52.039 --> 02:13:56.600
I see things like fumes, uh, that other people claim are invisible,

1653
02:13:56.640 --> 02:14:01.079
and I go, no, it's
visible. Uh, it's perfectly visible,

1654
02:14:01.920 --> 02:14:05.439
but other people don't see it.
I see it changes, you know,

1655
02:14:07.239 --> 02:14:09.239
But what are you gonna do?
It is what it is, Jimmy

1656
02:14:09.279 --> 02:14:13.920
but I think i'm gonna I'm gonna
put you back on hold and move on

1657
02:14:15.039 --> 02:14:20.159
to Chris. If you're if you're
all good, you're all good. I'm

1658
02:14:20.199 --> 02:14:24.319
all good, all right, Jimmy
James, always always holding the four down

1659
02:14:24.359 --> 02:14:28.600
even when our call number was low
tonight. But I appreciate the fact that

1660
02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:33.720
we got a first time caller because
always always helpful to the conversation. And

1661
02:14:33.000 --> 02:14:37.239
you guys ought to join us next
time. And I've actually run over time

1662
02:14:37.319 --> 02:14:41.840
this this week a little bit because
clearly I don't have Aaron Franz tonight.

1663
02:14:41.399 --> 02:14:46.720
Uh, but generally we'd be starting
the age of transitions about twenty minutes ago

1664
02:14:46.159 --> 02:14:50.279
and he'd be taking calls instead of
me. But what the hell, Chris,

1665
02:14:52.039 --> 02:14:54.399
let's see, let's get him off
hold. Yeah, Chris, you're

1666
02:14:54.439 --> 02:14:58.800
back on. And I really appreciate
you calling in. You did great stop

1667
02:14:58.840 --> 02:15:03.319
apologizing, and please, you're more
than welcome to call in anytime and anything

1668
02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:07.359
you want to drop on us on
your way out the door, because we're

1669
02:15:07.399 --> 02:15:13.039
all going to shut the door on
this one for the week. Well,

1670
02:15:13.159 --> 02:15:16.640
I'm gonna go against what you just
said, and I'm gonna apologize one last

1671
02:15:16.640 --> 02:15:22.319
time for my fumbling how I handled
the first time we fuck. And but

1672
02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:28.199
if I could offer a final word
or you know, last word, I

1673
02:15:30.079 --> 02:15:37.399
mean, you know, the saying
that I've adopted is anything's possible within the

1674
02:15:37.439 --> 02:15:43.199
realm of possibility in terms of the
flat Earth. And I don't necessarily,

1675
02:15:43.760 --> 02:15:48.880
you know, I don't subscribe to
any I really don't have subscribe to anything

1676
02:15:48.920 --> 02:15:54.760
anymore. I just maintain an open
mind, and I seem to help help

1677
02:15:54.840 --> 02:16:03.600
me my way through my existence.
You know what I mean is any sense?

1678
02:16:03.640 --> 02:16:07.199
And I do appreciate it. I'm
sorry, I didn't mean to cut

1679
02:16:07.239 --> 02:16:11.479
you off. I really appolgize.
I really do appreciate you, mister Olly,

1680
02:16:11.720 --> 02:16:16.560
and v Pete and Jim James,
everybody that you know, all the

1681
02:16:16.560 --> 02:16:24.359
regular callers that you know always contribute
to your show. I appreciate everybody's point

1682
02:16:24.359 --> 02:16:30.840
of view. And I mean that's
really what, you know, the difference

1683
02:16:31.119 --> 02:16:37.559
of points of view. That's really
what I mean. I have a lost

1684
02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:41.639
words here. It's okay, it's
kind of It's what makes the world go

1685
02:16:41.760 --> 02:16:46.799
round, after all, how about
that? Exactly? Yeah, you know

1686
02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:52.000
some people, I really appreciate you
guys. Hey, look, and some

1687
02:16:52.079 --> 02:16:54.799
people think that even if the world
is a plate shape that it spins too

1688
02:16:54.840 --> 02:16:58.239
anyway, So maybe the world goes
around even if it's flat. I don't

1689
02:16:58.239 --> 02:17:05.360
know. And look, I know
every single day that too, that too,

1690
02:17:05.479 --> 02:17:11.319
and I really appreciated could So then
could the universe be nothing more than

1691
02:17:11.360 --> 02:17:16.319
God doing the spinning plate act where
you put them on the sticks and you

1692
02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:22.360
keep them going. Why not?
And that's the possibility of this. Why

1693
02:17:22.399 --> 02:17:26.920
not? You know, somebody should
We could be living in a simulation.

1694
02:17:28.159 --> 02:17:30.879
I was just gonna go there,
Chris, I was going to say,

1695
02:17:30.879 --> 02:17:33.959
somebody could have shot and forgot to
shut off their video game, you know.

1696
02:17:33.479 --> 02:17:37.639
And in some places it's more In
some places it's more like Grand Theft

1697
02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:41.959
Auto, and in other places it's
like Animal Crossing and it's just one big

1698
02:17:43.040 --> 02:17:48.280
video game and we're just here as
really non player characters, and it's the

1699
02:17:48.319 --> 02:17:52.879
gods that play with us. There
you go, and eventually somebody will you

1700
02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:56.440
know. That's that's another thing.
It's all finite again. Back to that

1701
02:17:56.479 --> 02:18:00.840
conversation with Jimmy James. You know, the idea that there is a chief

1702
02:18:00.879 --> 02:18:05.200
deity which is immune from death and
immune from time. That would make sense

1703
02:18:05.280 --> 02:18:09.479
even if we indeed, you know, were in the Philip K. Dick

1704
02:18:09.600 --> 02:18:13.040
universe, or if we're you know, in some other version of a simulation,

1705
02:18:13.360 --> 02:18:18.399
why the hell not? After all, I forget what piece of literature

1706
02:18:18.440 --> 02:18:22.000
I read, but it was like
we could all be writing on the back

1707
02:18:22.040 --> 02:18:26.479
of a turtle somehow, and eventually
everything falls off of the turtles back or

1708
02:18:26.520 --> 02:18:31.319
it dies. But take a look
at turtles. Turtles are pretty fascinating creatures,

1709
02:18:31.639 --> 02:18:35.799
and they're often ignored. And maybe
our universe has just been ignored for

1710
02:18:35.799 --> 02:18:39.920
a little while, and that's why
we've been allowed to exist, you know,

1711
02:18:41.440 --> 02:18:46.440
why not? What the hell I
can't argue with that. I'm just

1712
02:18:46.639 --> 02:18:50.319
a tiny little part of whatever the
hell all of this is. So,

1713
02:18:50.479 --> 02:18:52.760
Chris again, thanks for calling in. You're welcome to call in anytime,

1714
02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:56.520
and on Fridays We're open to any
topic of discussion. So if you think

1715
02:18:56.520 --> 02:19:01.920
of something you want discussed, we'll
bat it around with whoever's here, me

1716
02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:05.840
and b Pete will and we've been
doing this for years. Yeah good.

1717
02:19:07.120 --> 02:19:11.239
I'll try to get an earlier start
on the on the call and hopefully have

1718
02:19:11.280 --> 02:19:16.120
more to contribute to the conversation.
That'll again, I apologize Inah, not

1719
02:19:16.200 --> 02:19:20.120
at all, man, You did
great. I appreciate you, and again

1720
02:19:20.360 --> 02:19:22.920
thank you for calling, and of
course all you people that do listen,

1721
02:19:22.280 --> 02:19:26.319
I appreciate you as well. But
I wish more you would call in like

1722
02:19:26.399 --> 02:19:31.840
Chris, because we'd get a whole
lot more interesting discussions. The one guy

1723
02:19:31.879 --> 02:19:33.440
told me one time when I was
talking to him off air, I would

1724
02:19:33.520 --> 02:19:35.319
just call you in prank call you. And I said, yeah, I

1725
02:19:35.399 --> 02:19:39.360
dare you to do it, and
he never did, and I'm a little

1726
02:19:39.399 --> 02:19:41.520
pissed. You know, It's much
like the whole Dave Chappelle thing when people

1727
02:19:41.559 --> 02:19:45.000
were saying, oh, I'm offended
at this, and I'm admitted at that,

1728
02:19:45.120 --> 02:19:46.319
and I said, you know what, I'm offended that he didn't tell

1729
02:19:46.319 --> 02:19:50.559
any blind jokes. Damn it.
He told every other kind of joke.

1730
02:19:50.600 --> 02:19:54.079
He told jokes about people in a
wheelchair transgender. Of course he has to

1731
02:19:54.120 --> 02:19:58.120
keep hitting it because people freak out
when he does so reaction comedy, what

1732
02:19:58.159 --> 02:20:01.239
are you going to do? But
I was pissedly he's got no blind jokes

1733
02:20:01.239 --> 02:20:05.760
man, And I had Blind Joe
the musician agree with me online that we're

1734
02:20:05.799 --> 02:20:09.079
a little offended. You're not making
fun of us, dude, and blind

1735
02:20:09.120 --> 02:20:13.079
Joe is blinder than me. So
I'm the blind JFK researcher, but blind

1736
02:20:13.159 --> 02:20:18.040
Joe has less of a visual spectrum
than I have usually most days when I

1737
02:20:18.079 --> 02:20:22.319
wake up, but you never know. Each day is different. B Pete,

1738
02:20:22.719 --> 02:20:26.479
your final word for the week,
my friend, Well, I'm glad

1739
02:20:26.520 --> 02:20:31.120
to see another one done and in
the can and loocome forward to next week.

1740
02:20:31.159 --> 02:20:37.159
Thanks to Jimmy James and Chris forher
calling in good discussion tonight. Other

1741
02:20:37.239 --> 02:20:41.200
than that, I can just tell
people to go to a Chelly dot com

1742
02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:43.760
and hit the donate button, do
which you can to help things out,

1743
02:20:43.799 --> 02:20:48.360
and that supports your local food bank. And that being said, we'll all

1744
02:20:48.360 --> 02:20:52.680
see you next week. Right,
Well, the one thing that's guaranteed is

1745
02:20:52.719 --> 02:20:56.200
that we could all do better if
we try, and I think there's no

1746
02:20:56.280 --> 02:21:00.440
reason not to try, open ended. Man, we can all do and

1747
02:21:00.520 --> 02:21:01.959
I hope no matter who you are, where you are, when you are,

1748
02:21:03.559 --> 02:21:05.680
that you will do better, do
better tomorrow than you did today,

1749
02:21:05.760 --> 02:21:11.280
no matter how your day went.
I am merely o'celly. All of you are