1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:06,360 Hello world. You're listening to Eleanor Wagner's Strange and Scary World here on the 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:12,199 Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we'll always creeping it real. I'm your host, 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,519 Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to my paranormal Closet, where the stories in 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,559 magic take place. Rulyie's guest is a former principle of the Martin Agency. 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,839 Over the years, the firm has created well known advertising for such clients as 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:33,479 Geico, Virginia Tourism, Virginia Is for Lovers, Mercedes Benz Ups, Colonial 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,000 Williamsburg, and King's Dominion, among others. Today, he's the editor and 8 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:43,479 publisher of the Oakleia Press. Did I say that correctly? It's Oakley Oakley 9 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:50,479 Press Press, a traditional book publisher. He's also the author of more than 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,280 three dozen books, including six business titles under his own name in five novels 11 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,600 listed in Who's Who in America. He is the only three time winner of 12 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,799 Theriter's Digest Book Award, having won twice for fiction and once for nonfiction. 13 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:10,000 He has also won First Prize for Visionary Fiction from Independent Publisher Magazine, First 14 00:01:10,079 --> 00:01:14,840 Prize for Nonfiction from USA Book News, and to Bronze Medal for Visionary Fiction 15 00:01:14,879 --> 00:01:19,920 from Reader's Favorite Book Reviews. Writing is Steve's passion. Join me and welcome 16 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,799 Steven Hawley Martin. Well, thank you so much, Helen. I'm so 17 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,640 happy to be here. I'm looking forward to I'm thrilled to have you back 18 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,879 on the show for the second time now to introduce the public to your new 19 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,439 release, how you can help create the shift in consciousness needed to save the 20 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,799 world. That's some long title you got there. I thought I had a 21 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:45,120 long title for my book. It's really long. A shift in consciousness is 22 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:49,480 a shift in perspective. As we change our beliefs about life, the life 23 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,560 we see and experience then changes Accordingly. People have been predicting this shift in 24 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:57,319 a direction of peace, love, harmony, and understanding among the people of 25 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:01,680 our planet for quite some time now. Globally, this ship has already started, 26 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,480 and as I understand it, you are all for it. I am 27 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,560 all for it. I think that once people reach this level of higher consciousness 28 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,439 understand what life is really all about, why they're here on earth. You 29 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:23,719 know that they are eternal spiritual beings that are having a temporary physical experience. 30 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:29,479 When people realize that it's going to make the world a much better place, 31 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,199 because you know, we're all part of it, and we're all one in 32 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,639 a way, and so maybe we'll start being nice to each other for a 33 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:43,400 change. That would be nice. Sometimes I find it hard to believe because 34 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:47,599 there are constantly those who are trying to divide us, media being the number 35 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:53,360 one culprit in my opinion. But you've teamed up with a television production company 36 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,319 called Good all Over TV to produce the series for public television where you intend 37 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,280 to get the facts out about the true nature of reality. How did this 38 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:08,439 all come about? Well, I'm on the board of a nonprofit called Bell 39 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:16,080 Tower Pictures, and Bell Tower Pictures is in business to make uplifting films and 40 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,319 they've made a number for PBS, and they've also made some that were released 41 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:24,879 in movie theaters that were you know, regular movies, not just documentaries. 42 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:32,120 And the president of that is a guy named Craig Martin no relation, who 43 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:40,000 is a partner in a film production company, Good All Over TV, that 44 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:46,039 makes films for PBS. So he and I got to be friends through that, 45 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:53,479 and he is very interested in AI automated intelligence, you know, and 46 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,840 I'm of course a metaphysician, been studying reality and trying to figure it all 47 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:06,520 out for fifty years. And he was the son of a missionary who he 48 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:14,080 grew up in Thailand. But he's not strictly a Christian anymore. He's had 49 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,399 a man of faith, but you know, his faith is more spiritual religious, 50 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:23,319 and he got very interest in this. We started talking and decided this 51 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,480 would be a great thing. We can do a series. He can get 52 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:34,680 information out about his ai interests, and I can get the facts out about 53 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,480 the true nature of reality, which is what I've been trying to do with 54 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:43,839 my books now for about twenty five years. So that's how it all came 55 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:48,680 about. Eleanor then do you hope for it to air? We're hoping that 56 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:53,000 it'll be this fall. We're working on it. We've had a number of 57 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,360 meetings. We're trying to work out the format and now you know exactly the 58 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:01,639 logistics of the whole thing. We're also in the process of raising some money 59 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,959 to fund it, which anybody wants to help with that, we'd be have 60 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,240 you set up have you set up a GoFundMe page for that. You can 61 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:15,319 go to my website Shmartin dot com and there is a button there that says 62 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:19,079 donate you can use that. We may do the go fund. Mean, 63 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,639 we haven't decided yet, we may. We're looking for, you know, 64 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,040 donors that are interested in these topics, and I want to get the public 65 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:35,199 to learn about the interest. Yeah. So what kind of episodes are you 66 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:42,360 going to have? Well, I think probably we'll start out with with Craig 67 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:48,160 and me in a conversation, but I see us moving to conversations with other 68 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:56,000 experts. For example, there's a unit of the University of Virginia Medical School 69 00:05:56,199 --> 00:05:59,600 which is not far from me. I'm in Richmond. We're both in Richmond, 70 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,600 Virginia. Up in Charlottesville about fifty sixty miles away is the University of 71 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,399 Virginia School of Medicine, and they have a division called the Division of Perceptual 72 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:18,360 Studies. There has been studying consciousness for about sixty years. They started in 73 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:27,199 the mid nineteen sixties. They study children's memories of past lives. They have 74 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,560 over twenty five hundred cases that they've studied. They say they've solved about seventeen 75 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:36,199 hundred of them where they found the individual that the child said he was in 76 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:44,480 a previous life based on love that. Yeah, it's amazing because this well, 77 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:49,480 and they're also studying near death experiences. The first book about that, 78 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:55,319 Life After Life by Raymond Moody, was while he was at the University Virginia 79 00:06:55,319 --> 00:07:02,120 and the medical school there. They're studying all kinds of things about consciousness, 80 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:10,480 and basically what they've determined is that the brain does not create consciousness. It 81 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,639 is more like a receiver of consciousness. It certainly affects your consciousness, you 82 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,040 know, when you get have too much to drink or take drugs or whatever. 83 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:26,360 Things are very different, but it's not where consciousness come from. Consciousness 84 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:30,160 is basically the ground of being, of reality, and it's something we all 85 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:34,720 share. We think we're separate because you know, we have an ego, 86 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:41,079 we have subconscious minds been built up over many many incarnations. But anyway, 87 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,319 for example, then there are several experts there who have been studying reincarnation, 88 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:53,160 who've been studying past lives, who've been studying psychic phenomena, and they would 89 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:59,319 be people that we would want to have in this show and interview and let 90 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:03,680 them tell about what they've learned. That would certainly be something that I'd be 91 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:09,199 interested in for sure, yeah, when this may be out of the scope 92 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,240 of what you're talking about with consciousness, and you tell me if it is. 93 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:16,079 But because I just finished reading this book called Second Sight by David Williams 94 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,680 and actually came out in the seventies, and there was a movie based on 95 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,920 his book with Lindsay Wagner in It was called The Other Lives of Jenny Logan. 96 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,040 I don't know if you're familiar with it, but with one of my 97 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,560 all time favorites as a young girl, and I said, I want to 98 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,399 see if there's the book that matches the movie, because I saw the movie 99 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,000 before I read the book. I actually found it online and I said, 100 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:37,080 I've got to get it, and I've got to read it and compare it 101 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,080 to the movie. You know how you do that Usually read the book and 102 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,080 then you see the movie, and then you're usually upset because they've ruined the 103 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,720 whole story, like they did with Stephen King's The Shining Right. Yeah. 104 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,080 So I read the book and I was just really happy with the way they 105 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,320 did it because they presented it just as it should be. And it's a 106 00:08:54,320 --> 00:09:00,559 book that has to do with time travel and how this woman is able to 107 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,600 bring herself back into this time frame that she wanted to be in, and 108 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,960 somewhere in time is what Christopher Breeve is pretty similar to that too, that 109 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,679 he's able to bring himself back to a time. Do you think that is 110 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,639 that's a reality. Is it just fantasy or are there other dimensions? Can 111 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:22,039 people time travel? What's your thoughts on that? I'm really curious. Yeah, 112 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,720 I haven't read the book you're talking about, but I did read Somewhere 113 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:33,600 in Time a while ago. What I'll say about that is that time only 114 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,360 exists in this reality, this three D actually I call it a four D 115 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:48,080 reality because it's hight depth with and time. When you go beyond this reality 116 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:56,639 into the dimensions of mind I call them of consciousness, there is no time. 117 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:03,240 It's all one time. And the reason I am pretty sure about that 118 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:13,240 is that you these remote viewers, and I've interviewed two remote viewers that are 119 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:20,519 very adept at it. One is Stephen Schwartz, who does this for to 120 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:26,120 find to locate archaeological digs and things like that. The other is a guy 121 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:35,519 named Skip at water HEA's was the gentleman who set up Stargate for the army 122 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:41,399 back in the seventies and eighties and to spy on to spy on the Eastern 123 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:48,879 Bloc countries in the Soviet Union using psychics, and which was a very effective 124 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:54,399 apparently. But anyway, what they tell me is that you can when you 125 00:10:54,519 --> 00:11:01,720 go into the dimension beyond this dimension it's all one time, and they can 126 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,000 if you want to go back in time or to the future, you can 127 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,799 do it, but that's the way. You have to do it through the 128 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:16,399 mind. For example, they they can tell they can view through their technique 129 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:22,679 something that happened in the past, and they can view through their techniques the 130 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:26,919 probable future. And I'll give you a quick example of that if I can. 131 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:33,759 Steven Schwartz was teaching a class at Atlantic University down in Virginia Beach about 132 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,120 teaching his students how to do this remote viewing, and he had forty seven 133 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:46,080 students. This particular story took place in two thousand and three during the Rock 134 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:52,639 War, when before Saddam hu Sin had been captured. So at the end 135 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,200 of the session into the class after the last few days, he had his 136 00:11:56,279 --> 00:12:03,879 students remote view the capture of Suddam Hussein which had not yet taken place, 137 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:13,000 and he took the forty seven answers that he got and compared them and took 138 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,519 any of the ones that agree seemed to agree, and made a list. 139 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:24,799 And it's a list, you know, about ten or fifteen observations, and 140 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:31,440 every one of them was right on how he was captured, what he was 141 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,399 wearing, the fact that he had a pistol with him, the fact that 142 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,240 he had a lot of money with him, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars 143 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,720 in cash, All of that checked out. And so I mean that's the 144 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:48,200 case of traveling to the probable future. It was only six weeks between the 145 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,840 time that was done and when it happened, So you know, things can 146 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:56,879 change. We do have free will. But as long as they keep going 147 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:00,559 the way they're going, that's what the future is going to be unless something 148 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,360 happens. And what I'm trying to do with my TV show and books is 149 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:11,200 is get the information out that will shift people's consciousness, so they'll so they 150 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,399 we'll all start getting along a whole lot better. That does one shift their 151 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:24,120 state of consciousness? Well, by knowing and reviewing the facts of what you 152 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:30,159 know. You're taught in school. We're all taught in school. The scientific 153 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:37,440 materialist viewpoint. A doctrine I would say that came about in the nineteenth century, 154 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:43,080 eighteenth and nineteenth century. Back one of the books I've written. One 155 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,000 of my ancestors was one of the Salem witches, and I've written a book 156 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,159 about her. Yes, love that book. Yeah, it's called a Witch 157 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:56,639 in the Family. And go to my website and I find it in my 158 00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:00,720 list of books and click on it. Interesting, so interesting. Yeah, 159 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:05,440 it is well. And I've written that book from the standpoint of my understanding 160 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:11,559 now of the true nature reality that when most books are written, like you 161 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,039 know about the Witch Trials, they assume there's no such thing as the paranormal, 162 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:24,279 because that's the scientific position that's been ever since Darwin, actually before Darwin. 163 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:33,120 Let me quickly explain that a English philosopher named Thomas Hobbes who's fairly famous 164 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:39,120 and wrote the Levethian I think is this famous book. It's about politics. 165 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:46,799 But he said, and I think sixteen something it was around the Witch Trials, 166 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:54,399 that if God made it, then that's all that exists. In other 167 00:14:54,440 --> 00:15:03,279 words, our physical reality is all that exists. Now people intellectuals picked up 168 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:09,200 on that, people like Thomas Jefferson, and you know, our founding fathers, 169 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:15,360 many of them believed they became what's called deists. Just the clockmaker theory, 170 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,440 the idea that God created it all wounded up and let it go and 171 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:24,559 it is no longer involved, and that the physical realm is all that exists 172 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:28,600 because that God made it, you know, and let it go. Well, 173 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:33,879 along comes Darwin in the mid nineteenth century, eighteen fifty nine, I 174 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:39,360 believe is when he published that book Origin of Species, and they were intellectuals 175 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:45,720 were able to get rid of God altogether. So based on Darwin's theory of 176 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:54,720 survival of the fittest and how organisms came about, Well, that is still 177 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,960 taught in school, even though there's the quantum mechanics came along in the earth. 178 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:07,279 Early twentieth century, Max Plank created quantum theory and actually won the Nobel 179 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:14,960 Prize for it. And Max Plank said, clearly the ground of reality we 180 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:22,080 cannot get past consciousness. Consciousness is the in so many words, ground of 181 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:30,639 reality from which everything comes. It's it's not that matter the brain creates consciousness, 182 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:37,279 it's that consciousness creates matter. Well, he's been saying that another quantum 183 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:45,399 physicists, you know, Einstein's basic theory was that equals mc squared. Energy 184 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:49,960 equals mass times is speed of light squared. Well that what all that means 185 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:56,960 is there's really no such thing as matter the way those nineteenth and eighteenth century 186 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:03,360 people perceived it. It's all energy, and it's energy that's conscious. Max 187 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:11,359 Plank also said that there's an intelligent mind behind it all. Yet we're taught 188 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,240 today in school that everything came from a big bang, which started with nothing. 189 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:21,559 So from nothing, which doesn't exist, came all the laws of the 190 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,680 universe, all the matter and energy of the universe. I mean, it's 191 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:33,359 ridiculous. You need to go you need to listen to what the founder of 192 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,079 quantum physics said, Max Plank. There's an intelligent mind, consciousness behind it 193 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:48,240 all. Now they do. They definitely have a theory that the field is 194 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:55,319 the ground of reality, the unified field, and that is basically what Max 195 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:00,759 Plank was talking about. But still we're taught in school that all that exists 196 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,839 this matter. So if you buy into that, when you die, that's 197 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,079 it. It's like we pull the plug on a vacuum cleaner. It's a 198 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:12,960 shame. It's a shame. It's they're being taught whatever is being selected to 199 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,039 teach them, and then they come out only knowing this and have no perspective 200 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,079 on the reality, which is a shame. Well it is. And you 201 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,640 know, thousands of people have had and I think I read somewhere that it's 202 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:33,000 something like fourteen percent of the public has had a near death experience. I 203 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:36,279 had one when I was twenty five, and that's what really started me on 204 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:41,400 all this. But I when they have this, most people who have the 205 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:48,559 near death experience experience a life review. Now you're not judged. There's no 206 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:52,640 god with a long white beard who's standing there and pointing his finger at you 207 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,119 the mistakes you made or thing that you shouldn't have done. But you see 208 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:03,279 what you're fact what efect you had on others, both good and bad, 209 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:08,279 base lesson, base lesson, Yeah, based on your actions and your thoughts. 210 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,160 And as I said, nobody judges you, and you don't go to 211 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:17,079 hell because of it. But if people knew that they were going to have 212 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,160 that life review, it might change their you know what they do a little 213 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,160 bit. You know what I come from the people that I've interviewed from near 214 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:30,000 death experiences. It's changed them forever. They really they really learned something from 215 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,119 it and came back a totally different person. Do you mind sharing with us 216 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,119 what happened to you when you were twenty five and how that went. Yeah, 217 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,000 that was a very brief out of body experience, but it was enough 218 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,400 to wake me up. What happened is I I had a terrible case of 219 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,400 the flu. I was a bachelor living in Baltimore, worked at an ad 220 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,759 agency, and I had two roommates, both bachelors, who were you know, 221 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:56,759 we were having a good time living there in an old townhouse in Bolton 222 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:03,640 Hill and Baltimore. And I was up in my bedroom on a Saturday night 223 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:08,200 with terrible case of the flu, felt awful, and I heard people come 224 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,720 in downstairs and you know, sort of chatter starting, and I said, 225 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,839 oh, my gosh, there's a party going on down there. And so 226 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:18,799 I decided, at the age of twenty five, you know, well I 227 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,440 get up, I'll be all right. And I went down and I had 228 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:30,039 some drinks and things, and I just started feeling horrible. I managed to 229 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:34,240 make it back upstairs, flopped down in the bed, and the next thing 230 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:41,480 I knew, I was looking down at my body and it looked like roadkill 231 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:45,839 down there, and I was looking around. I saw the ceiling and I 232 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,119 was looking at the little cracks and see it and I thought, you know, 233 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,480 I don't feel bad anymore. I feel pretty good. And wait a 234 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,039 minute, that's my body down there and I'm up here. Revelation. I'm 235 00:20:57,079 --> 00:21:03,279 not my body. I'm like consciousness. So that didn't last very long. 236 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:06,640 It didn't go through the tunnel. I didn't have a life review. It's 237 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,000 really was very brief. But I woke up the next morning. I was, 238 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,720 you know, not okay, but I was better than I was when 239 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:18,079 I flopped out on the bed. But anyway, that started me on. 240 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,920 I grew up in that situation. We we talked about where I was in. 241 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,559 My family were secular, you know, materialists type people. I mean, 242 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,759 we went to church on Christmas and Eastern but I was not brought up 243 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:40,440 into a religious family. And I learned in school, as everybody else did 244 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:42,759 and still does, that batter is all that exists. And you know, 245 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,079 the brain creates consciousness and when you're dead, you're dead, and that's it. 246 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:56,079 And so I realized from that experience, that's not right. Something's different. 247 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,240 First thing I did was join the Rosie Cruise in Society Order, which 248 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:06,640 is a society of mystics who study metaphysical laws. And I went through all 249 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,799 their courses and went from novice to adept and I read everything I could about 250 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:17,559 metaphysics. When Raymond Moody's book came out, Life After Life, I read 251 00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:23,279 it in one sitting. And I've studied this for it's been fifty years. 252 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:30,759 I've had a what back then was called an internet talk show called The Truth 253 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:37,240 about Life for about three years, interviewed over one hundred authorities on things like 254 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:44,519 quantum mechanics and paranormal research, near death survivors, etc. Etc. Over 255 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:48,279 one hundred individuals, and that's where a lot of the material in my book 256 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,880 comes from. I interviewed a couple of people from the Division to Perceptual Studies 257 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,480 at the University of Virginia, Jim B. Tucker, for example, who's 258 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:02,920 head of that, Who's written two books on memories of past lives. And 259 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,000 so, Yeah, that's a long answer to your question, but it was 260 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:12,799 a very short out of body experience. But it woke me up. Do 261 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:21,759 you feel like we constantly go into a new the past life regression? I've 262 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:23,799 had that myself because I was curious, because I felt like I had pass 263 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,680 lives. The question I want to ask is do you think that we keep 264 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,960 on moving into different lives to learn different lessons or do we actually go somewhere? 265 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,480 Is there a place for us to go to? I know that I 266 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,880 totally don't believe that there's nothing. I don't believe that it ends when we 267 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,680 die, that's for sure. But where do you feel that we actually go? 268 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,599 Do we move on to another life? Do we have choices to make? 269 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:52,680 Can we go or not go? Yeah? I believe that we when 270 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,640 we die, when our body dies, we don't die. But when our 271 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:03,359 body dies, we go into another of mind. I think of it as 272 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,599 mind, so you could call it a spiritual realm if you want. And 273 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:10,799 that Jesus said, then my father's house there are many rooms, and so 274 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,599 I think he was talking about the fact that there are a lot of places 275 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,079 you go. I think you go where you feel comfortable, and that you 276 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:25,440 probably have a group of souls that are your soulmates who are evolving with you. 277 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:32,000 And this is certainly not my idea, it's one that I've heard from 278 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:37,200 a number of people who are into all this, that you incarnate off, 279 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,480 not every time, but often with different souls from that group that you're part 280 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:47,440 of. You might want life. They might be your father or your mother, 281 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:52,359 or your sister, your brother. But it switches around, and that 282 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,079 the whole purpose of life is evolution. If you look around at the world, 283 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,799 you can see that everything is evolving. All the life is evolving. 284 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,920 That's what it does. I wrote a book called The Secret of Life. 285 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,440 In a spoiler alert, the secret of life is the urge to become. 286 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:17,000 We all have the urge to become more than we are, and that is 287 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:22,920 what we're doing each time we incarnate. Now. I believe also that we 288 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:29,400 have a some choices to make when it's when we decide that we're going to 289 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,359 go back to the physical realm, and it's usually to either complete some sort 290 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:41,920 of mission. We have something that we want to get done and or there 291 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,640 are things that we need to learn to improve ourselves to for our soul to 292 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,079 evolve. And we're setting ourselves up to have the lessons and the problems and 293 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,240 things that we have to overcome during our lifetime. In order for us to 294 00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:02,640 learn that and ford to become part of us, we go through a veil 295 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:08,400 of forgetting when we enter this reality, because if we knew all that we 296 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,400 knew when we were before we incarnated, and what we were trying to do 297 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,000 and so on and so forth, that it would be like cheating. It'd 298 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:19,839 be like having the answer to the test before you sat down to take it. 299 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,559 And so it wouldn't be something that you internalize. You have to go 300 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:32,559 through these struggles and face difficulties and overcome them in order to internalize it and 301 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,920 to grow. Now, it doesn't mean that we're always successful in every life 302 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,720 and accomplishing what we set out to do or learn. In fact, it 303 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:48,000 is possible to regress, to go backwards. But I think that's what it's 304 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:55,039 about. I think we're on a path toward reunification with the Source, and 305 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,480 we've got a long, long, long way to go before we get there. 306 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:04,680 I tell you quick story about regressing if you if you let me do 307 00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:12,759 it. It's your listeners probably know about Edgar Casey, who was back in 308 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:18,640 the twentieth century known as the Sleeping Prophet. He was a psychic who went 309 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:25,240 into a self induced tranch twice a day, once in the morning, one 310 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:30,200 st afternoon and answered people's questions mostly had to do with health issues that they 311 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:36,000 were suffering. He's also known as the father of verbal medicine or you know, 312 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:41,000 a kind of natural medicine. He was born in eighteen seventy seven and 313 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:48,200 died in nineteen forty five. But Edgar Casey did a past life review of 314 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:55,559 himself. He studied his own past life, and apparently in the previous life 315 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:03,000 he had regressed. He had been at way way back a priest in Egypt 316 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:12,960 and had attained a very high level of spirituality and psychic ability, and he 317 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,000 when he used it in his current life between eighteen seventy seven nineteen forty five, 318 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,920 he had to go into a trance to do it. Prior to that, 319 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,319 he did not have to go into a trance, and he misused that 320 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:37,279 ability to enrich himself. He was a riverboat gambler. He seduced women, 321 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:44,400 you know, he was a real rogue, using psychic abilities in a way 322 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,720 that apparently he shouldn't. And so that was why he said that he had 323 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:55,119 to go into a trance in the current life in order to in order to 324 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,440 access that ability. So there you go. Did he know how he died 325 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:07,559 in the previous life, he probably did, but I don't remember remember that 326 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,039 part. I have been down to. There's place in Virginia Beach, which 327 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:18,079 not far from me. It's a couple hour drive called the Association for Research 328 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:25,839 and Enlightenment, and that is the nonprofit that Edgar Casey established during his time 329 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,319 back in the nineteen thirties, and it's still there, still going strong. 330 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,160 It's right at the corner of sixty eighth and Atlantic Avenue, a big building 331 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:41,480 and it houses all his readings. They were all taken down by a stenographer 332 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:44,839 and typed up, and they're now available. I believe you can get a 333 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,839 CD with all of them on at fourteen thousand readings. But I've interviewed people 334 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:56,319 who work there, including Kevin Titeski, who's the executive director of the Association 335 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,240 for Research and Enlightenment, and that's really from him. Then from a guy 336 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:07,279 named Peter Woodberry, and also I interviewed in two thousand and seven. I 337 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,079 think it was Edgar Casey's son, who at the time was ninety five years 338 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:15,480 old, whose name was Edgar Evans Casey. He was still very sharp. 339 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:21,799 But anyway, that's how I know most of these anecdotes about Edgar Casey I've 340 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:29,319 read books about him. There's a wonderful book on reincarnation called Many Mansions by 341 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,240 a woman I can't think of her name right now, but it explains all 342 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,359 this thing about evolution and why we come back and how we can be affected 343 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,319 by something that happened in a past life can be still troubling us. Now. 344 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,200 You know, maybe we drowned in a past life and so we're afraid 345 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:52,279 of water. Water, yeah, yeah, yeah, very interesting. So 346 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:57,079 there are four modes of consciousness, correct, four modes of well you have 347 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:06,319 I'm not sure what you're asking. There's there's the ego supegouin d yes yes, 348 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:12,079 yeah, yeah, yeah, the adult in the modern partans it's adult, 349 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:19,519 parent and child and that that was a book that was gosh, it's 350 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,799 probably written fifty in the seventies, which I read. It's a great book 351 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:30,440 called I'm Okay, You're Okay, And basically it's how we interact with one 352 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,839 another and most and most people go around thinking that others are okay and they're 353 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,640 not okay, and so they have to win approval from others and so they're 354 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,160 operating out of their child, whereas others walk around, you know, thinking 355 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,839 they know it all and you want to tell people what to do, They're 356 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,640 operating from their adult and the way to have a happy life is to stay 357 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,559 not not your adult, your parent. They're operating from the parent. The 358 00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,519 way to have a happy life life has to stay in your adult, which 359 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:07,640 is the rational reasoning part of you that can consider all kinds of things without 360 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:15,079 getting upset about it. And when you're triggered by something happening and you want 361 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,680 to react, you need to step back and say, I'm not going to 362 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,440 react. Now. Why did I feel that way when so and so said 363 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,160 that or when such a such happened, and kind of analyze yourself and bring 364 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,000 whatever it is to the surface that you learned as a child or from a 365 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:34,200 past life, wherever it comes from. It made you feel that way, 366 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:39,200 and that's the way to get to improve yourself. I guess what do you 367 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,240 think about? All? That? Confusing? To me? I don't have 368 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:50,440 a metaphysical mind like you do. For me, it has to be in 369 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,519 very simple terms. That's the way my brain works, and I find it 370 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:59,240 very confusing. I don't know if I would be able to even tell if 371 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,799 I've reached a higher consciousness. To be honest, with you. I would 372 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,440 I would love to have an out of body experience like you did. In 373 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,200 fact, I think I've had dreams in the past which people say weren't actually 374 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,640 dreams. I may refer to it as dream, but people that I've interviewed 375 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,880 have said to me, no, you actually had an out of body experience, 376 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,440 because what had happened was I didn't feel myself going through the roof, 377 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,640 but I was already above my house, and I was in the sky, 378 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000 and I could see the stars around me, and I could feel the wind 379 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:32,240 blowing in my ear my hair, and I knew I was out of my 380 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:37,519 body. Is that a different consciousness? Yeah, well that's what you had 381 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:42,839 there. Most people would call that elucid dream, but you were out of 382 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,720 your body. I mean, this reminds me. I think I mentioned Skip 383 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:52,279 Atwater, who was the guy who started the Stargate unit of the Army Intelligence. 384 00:33:52,359 --> 00:34:00,119 It's Russians with psychics. He that's so interesting. As a child, 385 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:06,759 I interviewed him, and he is a child would go out of his body 386 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,679 at night all the time, and sometimes he would he would think he was 387 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,280 he was going to the bathroom, but he would wet his bed. Oh, 388 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:19,119 out of his body. I mean, his consciousness was out of his 389 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,320 body, but his the rest of me was still in bed the body. 390 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:30,719 And so his mother apparently was into all this sort of thing and explained to 391 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,199 him why that happened, that he was really he had he'd left his body, 392 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,960 but he left his body, he need to to take his body with 393 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:43,280 him when he went to the bathroom. So yeah, especially children, I 394 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:49,239 think I have that experience very receptive. Yeah, they're very receptive children. 395 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,199 And when they reach a certain age, well that's what they even say with 396 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,440 past life, past lives. Children up to I think it's the age five 397 00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,960 or six can remember things clearly, and then as they grow older, it 398 00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:06,119 tends to they lose that memory. As you said earlier, because if we 399 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:07,679 knew about everything that we learned in our previous life, it would be like 400 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,880 cheating on a test. So that's probably the reason for these children forgetting as 401 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,440 they get older. But I do appreciate the fact that that man's mother, 402 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,159 who was into that sort of thing, was able to nurture him in that 403 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,519 experience so that he would understand what was happening to him, because a lot 404 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:29,920 of children don't grow up with that kind of support, and some of it's 405 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,320 intentional because they think they're crazy. Don't tell the world because they're going to 406 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,039 put you away that sort of thing. Others are just ignorance, They don't 407 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:37,400 understand it or know it, and they say it was a dream, it's 408 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,840 not anything. But those people who actually understand and support this sort of thing 409 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,159 and recognize it in their children and then are able to nurture it and help 410 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:51,760 them grow. I work with people in the field that are so much, 411 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,440 so experienced and so learned, and I'm learning from them because they had parents 412 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,400 that help them in their journey when they were younger to learn and understand their 413 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:07,559 gifts and use them for the betterment of paranormal world. Well, yes, 414 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:13,199 and that's absolutely true. And the thing of it is, we've all been 415 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:20,840 taught in school that it's impossible to leave our bodies and go out into you 416 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,519 know, for any of this sort of stuff we've been talking about to happen. 417 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,679 And so by the time we are told that enough times, we believe 418 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,519 it. And that's one of the reasons I want to get this information out 419 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,519 through my books and through hopefully this TV show that we're doing, so that 420 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:44,519 people will understand what is true and real and what the true nature of reality 421 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:50,119 is, and that we are the spiritual beings who were not meet robots, 422 00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,880 which is what we're taught in school. We're taught that we're like, you 423 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,480 know, a robot made of meat with a brain, that it's like a 424 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,239 computer that creates our content business. And that's not at all the truth. 425 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:08,400 So there you go. I understand that anxiety has a way of working its 426 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,320 way into the mix of these shifts. Have you heard anything like that before 427 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:17,239 that? The Yeah, I think we're going through a time that's very chaotic. 428 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,760 And I think whenever whenever you have a shift, that's what happens. 429 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,639 There's there's chaos for a while. And that's the stage I believe that we're 430 00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:32,800 in. We're in the chaotic stage where where we've got political parties that can't 431 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,119 you know, compromise anymore. We're either all one way or all the other 432 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:42,719 way, and you know, it's it's a mess. The world is kind 433 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,079 of a mess. We've got wars going on, two big wars, you 434 00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:52,239 know, Iran, who knows what's going to happen with that, China and 435 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,559 Taiwan. I mean, this is about us you know, since World War 436 00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:04,800 Two, I can't remember it being any words, And yeah, we're going 437 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,559 through chaos, but I think we're going to come out on the other side. 438 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,679 I believe, I'm optimistic that we will have the shift that will go 439 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,800 in the right way. The other thing is AI artificial intelligence. You know, 440 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,239 how's that going to affect the world. It can only draw upon stuff 441 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:28,000 that's already in the in the system, and so much of it is false 442 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:38,039 because it's based on scientific materialism, on physicalism, which is an incorrect doctrine 443 00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:44,480 that's based on a false premise, the premise being that only matter exists, 444 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:51,320 and it's not true. Wonderful will ever change the minds of people, you 445 00:38:51,360 --> 00:39:00,599 know, try But I heard I heard a quote recently that Carl Young, 446 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:06,360 who theorized that there's a universal consciousness that we're all part of, which is 447 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:13,199 the same idea macrl. Young said, progress is made one funeral at a 448 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:20,119 time. So the old guys that are holding on to this old fashioned scientific 449 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:25,079 materialism for the nineteenth century, they got to die off before we It's so 450 00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:28,519 funny that you should say that, because I don't know if you know, 451 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:35,400 but I'm a paranormal investigator. I do investigations in old people's residences and business 452 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:40,960 and I write about them in my books. And I'm really into historical preservation 453 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,719 in trying to preserve these older buildings that get torn down to build enormous apartments. 454 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:53,599 And I like to approach the historical societies in the areas that I write 455 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:57,679 about to try and help them, because most of them are nonprofit and they're 456 00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:04,079 trying to raise funds to keep these buildings up and preserved. And I try 457 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,639 to use the paranormal because that's what I do. I tell them, look, 458 00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,519 we can we can have a fundraising event where we have a paranormal investigation 459 00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:14,559 in the building and the funds that come in will help you to preserve the 460 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:20,159 building. And there are so many older people there that are unbending and oh 461 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,119 no, we don't believe in ghosts. We don't, we don't believe in 462 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,840 the paranormal. And I'm thinking, think outside of the box. You may 463 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,800 not believe it, but there are so many people that do. And why 464 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,880 don't you just be you know, optimistic about it and say, okay, 465 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,599 well, let's let this happen. Even though I don't believe in it. 466 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:42,280 It's going to bring in money to help us keep this beautiful building in it 467 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,679 the form that we want it to be. But no, they're not. 468 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,039 And that thought has been in my mind constantly that we just have to wait 469 00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:52,679 for these people to die unfortunately, for things to actually happen while they were 470 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,920 allowed. So you do have groups that ures like, yeah, let's do 471 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,880 it, and they're the ones that are benefiting from it, while these other 472 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,119 ones are just sitting back waiting for the money to roll in, and it's 473 00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:05,599 not going to happen because they're not looking outside box. Plus, when they 474 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,199 die, when that person who doesn't believe in ghost dies, they may not 475 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:14,719 know they're dead and they may be the one that ends up haunting that building. 476 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,360 I have a question, but let me just quickly tell you a story 477 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,159 that popped into my mind because of what you said, and that is my 478 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,960 first wife was French. We used to go to France every summer and I'd 479 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,039 go for two or three weeks. She'd stayed all you've told me this story. 480 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:37,760 I love this story, the head tells again. So anyway, her 481 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:46,880 good friend Katherine married Alrie whose account and they lived in Paris. But he 482 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:52,480 inherited this house. It's really they cult of a chateau in the Big House 483 00:41:52,320 --> 00:42:00,320 in Lorraine, and we went to visit there one time, and already knew 484 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,679 I was interested in this sort of thing, so he told me the story 485 00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:08,400 about when they were renovating the house. He would at night, when he 486 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:14,840 was drifting off to sleep, he would hear what sounded like something someone screaming 487 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,599 for help, or if he woke up in the middle of the night, 488 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,800 you know, and he was kind of half sleepy to hear it again. 489 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,119 After a while, he had all these workmen around who were renovating the house. 490 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:28,519 After a while, he went down into the cellar and he saw this 491 00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,920 wall that looked like it might be newer than the other ones, and he 492 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,480 got the workman to tear down that wall, and behind the wall was a 493 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:42,960 skeleton, and al Rey said, apparently, you know, they popped this 494 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,360 guy in the head, bricked him up behind the wall, and he must 495 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,360 have come to it he was trying to get out anyway. They gave him 496 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,360 a Christian burial and then never heard the night noises again. So you know, 497 00:42:54,440 --> 00:43:01,039 there was a who died who didn't realize they were trying to get out. 498 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:06,360 Ever since, and because there is no time in the other dimension. 499 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,960 He didn't realize it had probably been fifty sixty seventy years since he'd been behind 500 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,719 there. Did they ever find out who he was? Who that person? 501 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,440 Now? It's he? He thinks it probably happened before World War Two because 502 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,880 the house hadn't been lived in a quite quite some time. So anyway, 503 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:31,800 Yeah, I think that often people die and they don't realize. There's a 504 00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:39,280 there's a Twilight Zone episode that I saw many years ago where this woman's in 505 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:45,880 an automobile accident which keeps on going and of course at the end, again 506 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:51,079 spoiler report, she's dead. It doesn't know, you know, she just 507 00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,480 keeps on doing what she's doing. So my daughter and I were just talking 508 00:43:54,519 --> 00:44:00,639 about the Bruce Willis movie sixth Sense just start I spoiler alert out there. 509 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,440 You find out at the end that he's actually dead. But that movie, 510 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,679 when that first came out, I remember, just floored me at the end 511 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,480 because you had no idea throughout this whole meeting. You really just thought that 512 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,599 he was a psychologist helping this young child, which he was, but you 513 00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:21,760 didn't realize that the child who sees ghosts was really seeing the ghost. It 514 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,719 was just a great, great movie. But that's similar to I love movies 515 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,800 that are like, there's another one the others with Nicole Kidman, that's very 516 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,719 similar in nature to that as well. Yeah, but I love those kind 517 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:37,559 of those kind of movies with endings like that, right, yeah, yeah, 518 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:42,360 but apparently can't have it. So my advice to anybody is, you 519 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,519 know, eventually we're all gonna, you know, pass, So when you 520 00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:50,880 do, look for the light and go for it exactly, especially since you 521 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,880 mentioned that they don't some people don't know that they've died. It happens a 522 00:44:53,880 --> 00:45:00,519 lot with sudden tragic deaths or like accidents that happened and they don't even realize 523 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:06,159 it. And as a paranormal investigator, our testimonial is that our first and 524 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:12,280 foremost thing of importance is the spirit and helping that spirit get acknowledged and telling 525 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,000 the world what it is that they want to say, and if we are 526 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,320 able to help that spirit move on, we try to do that. Sometimes 527 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,920 they don't want to go, and then we have to try and help the 528 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:28,559 residences in that building to live in harmony with this spirit because we are actually 529 00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:31,360 in that spirit space. They were there before we were but most of the 530 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,159 time we were able to help them move on, which is a great thing. 531 00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:39,320 You know what I mean to do this. You've got an old building 532 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:45,559 with a spirit living there, living there, Is that the right word. 533 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:52,000 Yeah? And when they tear the building down and put up the apartment building, 534 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:57,800 what does the spirit They're still there? They're still there. You're in 535 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,760 the old building. Yeah, yeah, they're still in the old building, 536 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,440 and in their mindset they are. So even though it's changed into an apartment 537 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,360 building and it might be somebody's bathroom that was maybe part of their bedroom at 538 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,039 one time, they are still there haunting it. So you do end up 539 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:20,880 having I actually wrote about something similar to that years ago. There was a 540 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:27,599 beautiful old house on a property and it was haunted and the people that lived 541 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,280 there, the elderly woman that lived there, she rented a portion of it 542 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,400 to a young woman, and so they were experiencing all this stuff. And 543 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:38,599 then when the woman died and the house was sold by her children, it 544 00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:42,840 was torn down and an apartment building was put up, and then the people 545 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,360 in the apartment building were experiencing what they had experienced. And now the woman 546 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,559 who owned the home was part of the haunting. She was haunting the building. 547 00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:57,599 Yeah, I'm not surprised that that's the way it works. Yeah, 548 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:04,079 yeah, because we build this world around us with our minds, both when 549 00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,880 we're in the physical form still here a lot, as well as when we're 550 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,519 on the other side. I did an investigation a couple of years ago in 551 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,440 an old diner. It actually gives you the appearance of an old fifties dining, 552 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,679 you know how they had them looking that way back then and it still 553 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,719 is that way, and they were having experiences in the building. So we 554 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,440 did an investigation and I had mediums with me who could actually physically see, 555 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,760 because sometimes you can anybody can see them if they're powerful enough to let you 556 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,440 do that, but then if not, the mediums are able to see. 557 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:42,360 And one of them was seeing a man half of his body, just the 558 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,159 upper portion of his body, and he looked to be like a chef, 559 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,840 where he had like the kind of chef hat on. 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