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As always, listener discretion is ed vibe. We got dumb wonder tupping blowing
around out here, and welcome to the Sasquatch Experience, folks. Sean Forker,
James Baker, Vans Neezber, Henry May, and Matt Arner here on
Monday, March the eleventh, twenty twenty four. That daylight savings time has
crept in and kicked our asses just a little bit. But alas we were
here, Matt and I had a great adventurous day yesterday which we're going to
be really happy to talk about here in just a little bit. Guys,
thanks for joining us here. Last week, of course we were off.
I was over at Sasquatch Watch Radio, which runs concurrent with the Sasquatch Experience
here on Monday nights at nine pm Eastern and had a great time with my
old fred Billy Willard. So if you folks hadn't had a chance to check
it out, it is archived. You can go to Sasquatch watch radio on
that thing called Facebook Clicking. Production was thus up for me, it was.
It was a good production. I really enjoy Billy, He's a good
dude. The Sean Forker songs the AI generated for were my favorite. That
was great one of them. Maybe, uh, Grammy winning, I don't
know. It was very touching. Well, Academy Award maybe, but next
year. Yeah, well, you know, how did we go? Brian
Corben, our executive producer, in the background, making sure we're being haveved
tonight. Brian, thanks for popping in with us. Sometimes we need chaperones,
guys. Tonight's show, episode ninety seven were creeping close to one hundred,
this, that and the other because Matt and I struggled all afternoon as
we were driving around the back roads of Pennsylvania trying to figure out a topic
for tonight. We really wanted to talk about what we had going on because
it was an incredible day out in the out in the world. It really
was. Yeah, something great, Matt. Wasn't it about being back in
the weakness? Oh? Any time you go out there, it's you know,
just such an eye opening experience to see the things that you know,
we got to see and we'll talk about later that. You know, the
everyday people may not get to to experience that, but we want them to,
you know, we want people to go out to the mountains and to
the woods and be safe. And yeah, we'll talked about that a lot
later. Right getting into tonight's show, though, as I said, we
are creeping close to one hundred, trying to get some great productions put together.
As we get on there Patreon, I put up some photos from our
trip yesterday, not all of them, not all of them, but some
and Matt and I are putting together another production, investigating Montour Road Part two,
kind of carrying on the story of the work we're doing up in the
northern part of PA, a very i would say, active part of Pennsylvania
that doesn't get a lot of respect and a lot of credit. But as
Matt and I spend more time up there, we start to see the little
hints of culture of the Bigfoot impact so much to the fact our receipt at
the place we had dinner had a Sasquatch on the actual receipt and a place
where years ago nobody would take that, you know, nobody would even joke
about it. Up that way, so correct Bigfoot's on the mind of people,
good or bad. Something has to be the impetus of getting folks to
be engaged. Matt and I are up there trying to figure it out and
trying to get engaged ourselves because we want those sighting reports. And of course,
folks, if you're listening and your first time listener just joining us,
thank you. If not, you've been here for a while, you can
report your siting confidentially five seven zero nine four zero nine four one one,
or email us info at sasquatch Experience dot com. You can also go to
our website, sasquatch Experience dot com and click on submit your report, and
of course it is anonymous. We won't put out your information unless you want
us to. We would like to talk about it on the show. We
can talk about it on the show without talking about your personal information, but
we kind of need those reports. In fact, we got one through on
we thought was the hotline the night was actually my personal telephone number, as
Matt and I were discussing before we came on the air, So call her
if you're listening. I will return your call, just not tonight. Monday
nights Monday night is for we're busy doing this shit, doing this shit.
Absolutely, we're doing this stuff that have helps afford us to get out there
and do the research. So it's just good stuff. So again, five
seven zero nine four zero nine four one one is the number to send you
a report. And if you want to call that number and just tell us
what to do with ourselves, we'll also accept that. I will play that
on the show. However, yeah, we'll also play and give out your
phone number while we do it. Hey, listen, guys, once upon
a time and Henry, you know this. If you called it and pranked
our show, I put your ass on notice and you were out there.
Not only did I read your comment and let you come make a fool of
yourself, I also put your phone number out there so anybody could call you.
And I'm not saying how it's done right, how it's done, you
know, Matt and Sean. I was really taken back by the fact because
while the two of you were out doing your research, the photographs showed a
lot of snow. And I'm north west of you guys, up in the
Chicago region. It was fifty degrees. It was comfortable, it was T
shirt weather, and yet you guys are up in Pennsylvania and it's snowing on
you and you're doing your investigation. I'm like, how is this happening?
That's crazy? Well, yeah, I mean there's so many variables with the
with the turn, so the gold stream. We're also up in the you
know about you know, twenty twenty five hundred feet in elevation, so we
have that going as well. We have lake effect snow coming off of Lake
Eriie. There's just so much that that kind of really plays, you know,
a gampit with the with the weather up there. So and that's how
it was. It was nice and sunny for one picture and next thing,
you know, it's almost like a blizzard. Right. Well, I did
sit down and I recorded my news segment and I sent it to Sean,
and Sean sends me the photographs back of what they're what you two were doing
currently. And I was outside having a drink and it's sunny, it's warm,
it's comfortable, I'm in a T shirt and here you guys are getting
snowed on. And I was like, wow, it's so crazy how our
environment changes in a short distance of each other, that you know, Yeah,
you can have one event happen over here, but another event happens over
here in a completely different weather environment, and that put it into perspective for
me. Yeah. Absolutely something to note. And I think it's really important
that if you keep an investigation log or a research log, that you really
catalog the environmental factors that are going on around you. Right only because if
you ever get called into the carpet for shenanigans, you know your local location
you know is if you can get as close as possible, not a general
because I'm sure there are parts of Potter County Matt and I could say we
were in Potter County and have completely different weather than what we experienced yesterday.
Yes, because, believe it or not, Matt and I were up at
the highest elevation at one point yesterday in that area and we could see everything
going on around us, but there was nothing going on at us until the
wind shift. And then all of a sudden, that wind shift and brought
everything up and it got white out, white out conditioned for a couple of
minutes. How was the wind conditions for you guys today? Horrible? It
was windy. Yeah, right, here's something else to think about Matt did
some pretty amazing vocalization yesterday while we were out on the ridge and no permeation
whatsoever. The wind killed it. There was there was no travel, no
distance whatsoever. And the only knocking of any sorts we could hear were trees.
There goes the train. The wind was knocking the trees around and causing
the clanking yesterday. But I mean we couldn't hear hardly. We had no
distal hearing whatsoever. Like the sound was just dead. After a certain footage,
it just died. Yeah. Yeah, And that was the the thing.
If we didn't have that wind yesterday, you know, like it's just
one big bowl in that valley there that that vocalization would have went for miles.
But with that wind, I mean, it really just killed it.
We found a great spot that we could go and do those vocalizations. And
I was actually looking in Onyx and we have two kind of general spots up
there there are close by, and the other spot goes into the other valley.
There's actually like a small finger that kind of goes out towards the east,
and then you have a valley to the north end east, and then
you have another valley that goes to the south and a little bit to the
west, So we could be in the one spot and then do vocalizations,
and then we can have somebody else at that other location, which is maybe
about a quarter mile up, but they're actually going into a whole different area.
And if you have a good still night, those vocalizations will carry a
for miles, right, But is that not a learning point for you guys
that you know the weather conditions, which is originally why I brought it up.
The variance in the weather conditions and those vocalizations are yelled out may not
carry as far as you would anticipate because of the weather conditions. And you
need to take that into account too. When you're journaling, you know what
your exploration is and your research is going on, how the weather is influencing
what it is that you're trying to discover. Well, it's a one hundred
percent accurate statement that you're making, and it gets really important to do so
because of you know, those those variables we were talking about a little earlier,
you know, being able to notate beyond a shadow of a doubt of
what was happening, because if you have somebody looking into your information and they're
just using a cursory examination, not really going through. They can challenge anything
you say. Also impacts that your reliability and the data you're collecting, So
if something happened or something didn't happen, you kind of know what days to
avoid to go out there if you really plan on doing some active searching.
Yesterday, for Matt, it was really just passive recon for us to go
out and do some We weren't actively engaged. We were kind of following up
on an area Matt had done an investigation on, But we didn't go out
there with the express purpose to do quote unquote squatching. We went out there
to get the label RAND and explore because we have a couple of projects coming
up that we're working on that we need some good areas to check. And
I think Matt, I think we we hit our objective yesterday. Oh absolutely
that. But then also we had a situation where we thought we found some
impressions. Yes, yes, so, And just going back to the weather
thing, I've heard some researchers say, you know what, we do don't
go out in the rain. We don't go out in this because you can't
hear anything. But you know what, your other senses, and this kind
of leads right into the impression the impressions that we're found is Okay, we
may not be able to hear, but you know what, there's other things
that we can kind of get from the environment. And one thing was Sean
really had his eyes on the ground and I said, hey, you know
what, let's take a look for, you know, any sort of impressions,
and he found a trackway. But well, we can go into that
a little maybe a little later, but that's something that Okay, our hearing
is kind of all right, it's cut out, so now your other senses
are going to kind of pick up. And again it may be I've heard
some researchers, especially out in the Pacific Northwest where they get a lot of
rain, where okay, you're going to get that rainfall and you're going to
have that drown out any sort of noise, but that doesn't roll out you
having a visual site or finding other evidence such as you know, the nest
from the Olympic project or track wet or anything like that. Matt, can
we just say my eyes were fricking on point yesterday. They were, and
they were I was I was extremely impressed because you know, I was telling
Sean I went to the eye doctor and they said, you must do like
a I have weird eyes sight and it's probably because my profession. I have
one eye that kind of scans and one eye that's kind of you know,
reads up really close. And it's because i might be at a computer screen,
but I'm also looking to make sure that there's nobody coming up behind me.
So you know, but Sean, I mean, it was just,
you know, We're sitting there driving down the road and I'm like, hey,
you know, let's look in the field for for some elk. And
I, you know, I'm kind of keeping my eyes towards the road and
you know, obviously, and but you know, Sean was like, Yo,
there's some elk in that field. And I'm like, you gotta be
kidney. And here there was a there was a nice heard of it.
You know, probably I don't know anywhere from you know, ten to fifteen.
Yeah, yeah, elk that we're out in the one field and elf.
Oh wow, that's awesome. Yes, well we got elk. So
later on I was just talking to Emily floor Matt on Instagram, one of
our people we follow and a friend. Yes, Matt and I were talking,
you know, roadside sidings, and and I was just saying this to
Emily, and elk is a large creature. It ain't freaking tiny, Okay,
it's if you don't know what an elk is, think of a big
ass deer, Okay, really big ass deer, kind of moose like,
yeah, but it's a big it's a it's a big freaking animal, all
right. And Matt and I are driving along the road and out of the
corner of my eye, I I think I might have screamed or I might
have yelled a pro sanity. I'm like, what the fuck? And Matt
and we're off to the side of us. Now listen, Matt could have
stuck his hand out his window and touched an elk. Yes, this is
that close to us. That's amazing. Yeah, where you guys, I
didn't know there were elk in that area. Well, listen, not not
all of Pennsylvania. Parts of Pennsylvania, and that area we do our research
at is an elk an elk area. But vance if I had nick caught
that out of the corner of my eye and it was right alongside the road,
yes, we would have drove right past it really now, put that
perspective. We're out there purposely looking for stuff, right right, and we
I almost missed it. But you're an everyday person and you're out on the
road doing your drive, and maybe you take this road one hundred and fifty
times a week and you're zoned in doing your thing. What's the potentiality that
you I've passed something and maybe roadside encounters aren't that uncommon? Right? Wow,
that's crazy. I had no idea that the elk population, not by
you or in that area was that prominent. No, absolutely, what wow?
Oh county yep. Yeah, well we have all county named after him.
Absolutely. But the one thing that the one thing that I brought up
is people say, oh, well, you know, an eight hundred pound,
you know, six foot nine creature, obviously somebody's gonna see one or
they're gonna you know, they can't really hide all that much. Here we
were, we literally, you know, almost stroke past. I don't know,
maybe there was seven or eight in that little group of minimum you know,
you're talking about a minimum of five hundred pounds for each animal, right
wow. So so you're looking out a lot of biomass that you know,
just matched in it. Like, you know, once we get the pictures
out, I mean, you know, you can see how well they're their
fur kind of blends in with the with the fauna there. But you know,
you figure something that's you know, with reddish brownish hair, you know,
at that size, and there's only one. You know, you're not
going to see that. But I think some of them as your brain also
blocks it out because like when I was up working in my yard, there
was a deer standing within reason of me, and until it decided to move,
I didn't see it. That when me and Fork, when me and
Fork are driving the one day and the cows got out of the neighbor's yard,
we saw some cows, but there were a few behind a couple of
bushes that until they started moving. Wait a minute, this right there,
you know, Like and we had been videoing the cows, and like when
you go back through the video and the pictures, you're like, yeah,
there's Betsy over there there. That one we were almost sucklers, you see
that, you know, you know, you if they wouldn't have moved right
that gull could have sat there for an hour or we would have been focused
on the other stuff. Yeah, and seen it and that's what they were,
what four hundred five hundred pound beasties. Yep. Yeah, I cannot
testify to that. I took my two boys hiking and we were in northern
Wisconsin and we were literally on a trail and I'm clearing the brush that's in
front of me, and I'm trying to clear the brush of a tan colored
animal that turned around and looked at me as to what am I doing rubbing.
I had no idea this deer it was, and it was a buck
was steaming in my way of while I'm trying to clear, and I had
no idea it was there none. And of course my kids were totally excited
at the fact of oh, look a deer, and you know, it
just kind of scampered off. I was like, Wow, it's so incredible
when you're in that environment, how these nature animals can completely camouflage and blend
into their environment. You would never know that they're there. Yeah. No,
I did, not Old Van st Neezbit rubbing the buck in the bush.
I was think exactly what I ended up doing. That's how it goes
anyhow. But this area of Pennsylvania, we've really been getting really active in
it. Matt and I are gonna be spending a lot of time there and
we have to go to break here shortly, so after we come back out,
I'll let you talk about the sighting report. Matt. We can give
a little bit more about what we're doing before we go into the break,
and I know the news is going to encompass something. I do want to
remind folks that can come see it in person at the pen Ohio Paranormal Conference
on March thirtieth and Hermitage, PA. Get your tickets now at the Agents
of the Unexplained on Facebook. They also have a website and go to the
Facebook page get it. We'll be there, at least myself, Baker and
Arner will be there. We're going to have a good time, going to
spend the day with you. We want to get some sighting reports, so
come out and see us. We like to connect with our audience. We
have a lot of fun and I don't know, I think we're one of
the most approachable groups of individuals out there now. We love our we love
our fans, the few of you that are out there, and we have
a really good time. We really do enjoy being out in the public,
rubin elbows, just elbows with you, folks. We're not really anything else
at least, and that brings up another point with me, and I'm sorry,
Sean. I don't mean to interrupt. But for those that are watching
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love to talk about it, sharing the laughter and love, folks. Will
be right backward, show me all right, Sasquatch experience the musical got a
lot of it, folks. We're going to take a quick break. We'll
be right back right after this. Stay tuned Tues Team awesome. Yes,
welcome back to a Monday night after taking a week off because Sean Forker decided
he wanted to do other things instead, But welcome back and thanks for joining
us on this edition of Bakefootball Horn Right here on the Sasquatch experience. So
we're gonna kind of kick things off here a little bit. Sorry if I
sound nasily, it's because I am. It's a head cold. Love to
head cold. You want me to pause while I snort? I could do
that. I'll put it on you there, Okay. So kicking off twenty
twenty four, that means West Virginia has a full year's worth of monster and
cryptid festivals to look forward to. Popular events like Moudman and the Bigfoot Festival
will be returning once again, but this year's West Virginians we'll see a new
festivals or we'll see new festivals looking to break into the sea. These events
often attract thousands of visitors, some from clear across the country like I do.
If you plan on staying in the area, though, make sure that
you make reservations well ahead of time. So kicking things off for new festivals
in West Virginia is the Grafton Monster Festival. Wait what is the grafted Monster?
You ask, Well, let me tell you. The Grafton Monster is
described as being seven to nine feet tall, four feet wide and having white,
seal like skin. The monster also possesses no discernible head, the Grafton
Monster's head was rested within its chest. This monster also has a very loud
bellow now. The Monster Festival for graft and Monster will be June fifteenth through
the sixteenth, and it'll be outside the Black Cat Rookery Bookstore. The Grafton
Monster Festival is one of West Virginia's two new cryptid festivals coming in twenty twenty
four, and the festival well is being hosted by, Like I said,
the Black Cat Rookery Store, which will also be holding the grand opening for
its Craft and Monster Museum, which can be found inside the store. Next
up on the big event list is the West Virginia Bigfoot Festival, and that's
going to be held on June twenty seventh through June twenty ninth. The West
Virginia Bigfoot Festival will be returning for its fourth year, but it'll be at
a new location and with an extra day of festivities. According to the Facebook
page event group, the event will feature vendors, live music, food trucks,
guest speakers, workshops. What's the workshop, Let's go build a bifoot
Okay in the workshop. I'm sorry people, it's a stretch okay anyway,
twenty twenty threes. Festival also featured a Bigfoot calling contest, which everybody lines
up on a stage with their phone and the first one that and dial and
get hold of Bakefoot wins. Yeah. I just made that part of it,
but they do have a calling contest that might be more ridiculous. When
we come back, we'll discuss a favorite West Virginia festival. You can all
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good research. That's what we do with the Sasquatch Experience. So, Matt,
before we went on break, I said that we were going to allow
you some time to talk about the reason we went up to the area.
So if you'd like to go ahead and share the encounter, well, you
know, we don't have to give specifics of names or whatnot, but I
think the story is good enough for our audience to listen as to why you
and I are taking our times on snowy days to go up there. Absolutely,
so we got a Jesus christmin like was that? Okay? That was
it for me? Yeah. So anyways, we got a report that the
person had an encounter up in that area and they were referred to us from
a good friend of ours. So I was able to talk to the witness
and it's what you would consider a good class be encounter. He didn't have
a visualization, but you know, with everything that he said, it really
hit the nail on the head. So what happened was back in June,
he was up there with a group of people that were fishing, and which
is very common in that particular area. There's a bunch of world class drout
streams up in that general vicinity. Yes, so he was up there.
His plan was originally to come up on Wednesday and stay through Sunday, However,
his plans changed, so he came up Saturday and he planned to stay
till Wednesday. Most of the people get there around Friday, Saturday Sunday and
then they're gone, so he'd have at least two almost three days to have
the river all to himself there. So he had set up a tent and
it was a little bit outside of where the stream was. It's a mix
of fields, some bottom land, there's plenty of woods, and of course
the mountains were there. So he was down on a flat park, had
his tent set up. He was up there Saturday, everyone's out there,
they had nothing happen whatsoever. Sunday everyone's starting to leave, and I believe
by Sunday night he was the only person that was left there. So Sunday
night nothing happened. So then Monday he goes out to fish. He's the
only one out there, so he's out there fishing. He comes back.
Now granted this is in June, so sunset isn't until you know, probably
like eight thirty. He comes back, starts his fire, has a little
dinner. Around ten o'clock he's sitting at the campfire there and all of a
sudden, he hears about four very soft whoops. But he said where the
woops were coming from, He thought it was probably about a mile away from
him, but he thought that was odd. And then almost immediately after the
whoops went, he said, what he heard was gibber jabber. So I
asked him, I said, how do you explain the gibber jabber? And
he said, I don't know. It was like somebody going like and of
course, you know, there's one thing that popped up in my head.
I didn't say anything, and then I kind of kept that for, you
know, for some questions after the interview, but I said, okay,
I said, then what happened? He said, then all of a sudden
he heard this howl. And he said, this howl just went you know,
probably for the next you know, twenty thirty seconds. He said,
it was so loud. He said, he felt that noise, you know,
through him, He felt it reverberate through him. He still thought it
was not that close or not that far away from him, or not that
close. I'm sorry, but he's somewhat at that point still felt relatively safe.
However, because of all three of those things happening, and there's no
one else out there. He said, all right, I'm going to start
cleaning up the campfire, and you know, I might be sleeping in the
truck tonight. Is kind of what was going on through his head. So
about ten minutes later, as he's cleaning up from about fifty yards away,
he hears one real solid wood knock, and he said at that point,
and he's like, all right, that's it, he jumps in his truck.
Now, what he did was he drove out to there's a little side
road that we were on. He drove all the way out to the main
road. It's not really a highway, but it's the main road that goes
through that particular valley. He did not see one person. He said,
there was no cars, no people. There's a cabin up there where the
people from his fishing camp were normally staying. He said, there was no
one there. Everything was dark. He goes back and there is nothing.
So he drove closer to the road, took his car, turned it off,
locked the doors, stayed in the car, tried to go to sleep.
He said. The very next day he got up, he got to
sell service, called his girlfriend and said I'm coming home. And Tuesday you
know, Tuesday morning, he was packed up and out of there. Now
we spoke to him, we mentioned about the gibber jabber and the first thing
that came up in my you know, when he was doing that, especially
when he did that description, I thought of Ron moorehead in the Sierras sounds
right. And we've also had other other accounts where people talked about, you
know, hearing some sort of weird vocalization almost like a talking And I had
asked him, I said, have you done any sort of research in the
past, have you looked into this? He said, absolutely not. He
said it wasn't until he started putting two and two together. He spoke to
his girlfriend about it and he said, all right, you know then he
starts going on the internet. But I don't think he was familiar with the
Sarah sounds. He just really didn't kind of click into that. So so
I was pretty confident that that's something that you know, that the witness may
not have been, you know, completely familiar with, which you know,
for us as an encounter is is pretty good. But going back to this,
uh, this area, this is an area where in one valley we've
had this you know, very classic class b encounter with the vocalizations in the
wood Knock the year before I think it was well, that was not even
a year. It was about six months before there was Wooden Knocks over in
the next well, it's I can't say it's the next valley, but it's
the next roadway that comes up through those mountains. So you know, so
there is some sort of action up there, it's just that there's no people
up there. One observation, and Sean was was the counter for this.
We were on the major around I'll let you know what what road. It
was Route forty four, and we jumped on at Cherry Spring State Park and
we drove that, Yes, absolutely, and we drove that all the way
down to Waterville in that amount of time. How many cars would we pass
on? For four? We passed four cars. Yes, So I mean
this is on a Sunday. Now, granted the weather wasn't that great,
but this is kind of typical though for that particular area. Unless it's hunting
season, fishing season, or something else, you're not going to see all
these people flood in, you know, flood in and it's not like the
Jersey Shore or you know, your typical tourist area where people are coming in
all the time. You know, you have just see thousands and thousands and
thousands of acres, and you know you have literally, you know, no
one up there. So they could be up there. They could have a
punk rock band for all we know. You know, no one's gonna hear
them, you know, no one's gonna encounter them. They could do whatever
they want. I just wanted to add to that point in Matt, that
the fifth or sixth time I've been up there for with you, and I've
done some other investigation near there. Yes, probably as we were talking to
Tom Farrence as the crow flies, probably not far away from an investigation I
did in twenty sixteen with the PBS Pennsylvania big Foot Society. The last few
times af there, we've saw no cars aside from our own. Yeah,
it's remote, and you know, for not frequent. Rather we're on season
or off season. The fact of the matter is these setting reports are happening
in this area. Of course, you're not going to have an intense amount
of frequency of them if there's not, if it's not a frequented area,
what's the one thing you need to have? A sighting, A person a
damn witness, right right, certain, So if you don't have so many
people out there, how the hell you're going to get a sighting report.
So, I mean, as the frustration goes from these places that we're not
getting or we don't have a lot of reports, you have to build the
relationships out there to get them. These aren't you know, these are outdoorsmen,
they're older people, they are experienced hunters. They're not people who are
going to mess around and piss around in the bigfoot world. You know,
most of them do not believe until they have an experience of their own.
And if they do believe, they're not going to tell you in front of
their buddies. They're going to wait till they can pull you aside and then
they'll take you and tell you the story. So that's how we get a
lot of these reports up in some of these regions. Pennsylvania is a different
way of life. You know, we're very rural in the central part.
It's not just Pittsburgh and it's not just Philly. There's this, you know,
millions of acres in between that makes up Pennsylvania. Gorgeous beautiful wilderness where
people respect the outdoors, and they like their hunting, they like their fishing,
and so much of that is, you know, untapped in terms of
getting these sighting reports. The last ten years, maybe we've had an increase
in influx and reports, but there's still so much out there that's not been
told that Matt and I really want to capture. And we don't want to
capture to be greedy. We just want the damn data. We want to
know when we can deploy so we could be a lot more efficient in the
work that we're doing. And we need it. Folks, if you're out
there listening and you had an encounter her, you're out there listening and you
had a friend who had an encounter, put up her shut up, get
him out here to us so we can talk to him and get the information.
We need it to stay viable. We have to have it to continue
to be smart. So go ahead, Matt, I'll let you finish off
my little die dribe there, no, no, Well, I just want
to add to that is and you know we touched on it right after the
break. You mentioned Amy Boo. And the one thing is is I give
her all the credited the world for what she's doing. She's actually going out
to these sportsmanships and setting up the table and you know, having you know,
building that relationship with witnesses and you know, and she's very appropriate.
She's such a lovely person, but she's so approachable, so I think people
would just feel more comfortable talking to her. I think maybe it's the you
know, she was a teacher and everything, so she she knows how to
you know, work with different personalities and such. But she is such a
great people person and you know, having her out at these shows, that's
where you're getting you know, the people you know, such as the ones
that we're talking about that you know aren't aren't sister and talked about, you
know, exactly, you know, to their friends that you know they they
may have seen something peeking behind a tree or the vocalization, but maybe for
you know, again, someone who who's like that, they can come out
and talk to her. So right, for our podcast listeners, Pilot Island
Research never ask anyone if they've had a big foot encounter. Instead, ask
them if they've had experiences in the wild they couldn't find a natural explanation for,
and let them find their way into the confilm. And that's a hell
of a good point. Actually, you and I were talking about that yesterday
in terms of this overall new project we're working on that we're trying to leave
the sasquatch out of it in order to attract a wider audience, folks who
may have had some sort of wilderness phenomena with any kind of animal that they'd
like to share with us. And when you take away that that the Olympic
Project philosophy right right now, we were talking about, nowhere is bigfoot in
the Olympic Project philosophy, you know in the name, and you take that
away, you're a hell of a lot more liable to probably get more results.
So great, great point there, Pine Island Research, Thank you so
much for posting that. Yes, very good info right there. Do you
do you think maybe the reason there's also not as many settings is because a
lot of the people that are out there are hunters and fishermen, and so
when they hear something bigger than they are looking for or could handle, they
kind of move on quicker. They don't, you know, hang out,
like if they from a disc. Like when we were out in the Ordinance
we heard what could be a small animal coming towards us. It was a
skunk at one point. But the fact was, if we would have felt
it was a bear or something larger, we would have moved on quicker than
to wait to see what it is, you know. And the one that
are these people are to say, Okay, I hear a lot of this
over here, and I hear a lot of trees getting snapped and whatever,
and I'm here for deer. I'm not here to get mulled by a bear
now, and they move on. Well. The other thing, too,
is being a hunter. If I'm out in the woods and I'm in a
spot and you know, I'll you know, we'll we'll talk a little bit
about the area that we were at. Specifically yesterday when I was changing up
my trail camera position. Was if I see a spot there where I see
all sorts of deer sign but there's no deer, is something chasing it away,
you know, and I'm not going to sit there and you know,
and yeah, I might sit there and say, oh, you know what,
maybe it's gonna come by, you know, first thing in the morning,
or it's gonna come by it, you know, right before dusk.
But if I'm seeing all this deer sign, but there's no year around,
I'm probably going to go somewhere else, you know, and try to go
to where the deer are, you know, and it could be that you
know, something you know earlier had had scared them away or and I and
I'll tell you that I'm definitely guilty of that. Where we've been out,
you know, hunting in that general area, and we've seen area that on
paper is like, you know, that's the place you want to be,
you know, because there's you know, there's food sources nearby, there's cover
nearby, there's places. And we didn't see a thing, you know,
not to say that there was anything chasing them away. It was probably hunters,
you know, but right, but we didn't stick around, you know,
so we're just going to get up and go somewhere else. But we
did find a great area with a lot of deer sign And one thing that
that kind of shocked me was it was right up at the at the very
edge of the ridge and literally when you walked over to the ridge and you
look down, it was almost like a canyon. I mean it was Sean
could could tell you, man, there was no way we were we were
first either you know, walking we wouldn't walk down there, like you would
literally have to slide you know, down there and there's no way to get
up. But yes, yes, you would need a ladder. Yes.
But what I found was we had you know, the in other people talked
about, like you know, the gas lines and in the power lines and
everything. What we had was and this is one thing that you know I
kind of marked my observations with yesterday, was we didn't see as much sign
along the you know, along the gas line or the edges adjacent to it.
Well, we actually found was about i'd say one hundred and fifty yards
away was the edge of the was the edge of the ridge. We actually
saw more sign that was over towards the other edge of the ridge than we
saw that was closer to to that particular area. So thing to kind of
keep an eye on when when we're out there, you know, I may
end up moving the uh the trail cam at some point closer to that ridge
area. But we'll see how we do. But we'll go into the into
the trackway. So again Sean was just uh, super observant and yes,
eagle eyed, and and there was a couple of impressions that we saw but
unfortunately we had so much Uh there was actually a sleep that was coming down,
so it covered a lot up a lot. There was a lot of
leafy material. But there was one or two impressions like, you know,
this could be something and may not be anything. But he found this trackway
and on page again, like you know, if you looked at it,
you know, just you know, seeing where these prints were like, oh
my god, this thing has a stride and it's dipping. You know,
it's you know, breaking the surface. I'm a pretty big guy and I
would really wasn't breaking the surface all that much. But whatever this was,
I mean, you know, the impression was probably at least a maybe three
quarters of an inch, you know, compared to what a little depth.
Yeah, so we're looking at it, but what we're noticing and again,
if you if you just kind of keeps looking at that, at those particular
impressions, you're going to say, oh my god, man, this this
does look you know, like like it could be something maybe about eleven inches
or so in length, maybe a little more. You couldn't really tell if
there was toes because it was going on a slight decline. But but as
we got closer what we What we noticed was it appeared that there was just
in the way that trackway was. It appeared that it would have been made
by something with four four legs as opposed to two. Yeah, and the
width on it was starting to get pretty pretty wider than they were long.
And I said that, and I think we've got a bear. I don't
think we have a big fun we have a bear. Okay. So I
have a question to throw to the two of you. Yes, what you
brought up earlier, what do you believe has a higher population? Would it
be deer or elk in that area? You know what? It's it's funny
because if you ask any hunters are going to say there's a lot more elk
out there than deer, because you always end up seeing elk rather than deer.
But the deer population is actually, uh, you know, pretty de
the of the elk hurt out, okay, and those yes, So,
as far as a bipedal creature quote unquote, a deer would be easier to
take down than an elk. Oh absolutely absolutely okay, And especially uh,
especially coming up in the next like month or two, you're you're gonna start
having a fawn strung and that is that is the number that's like one of
the number one feeds for your your carner. You know, well you're through
some air ye brat ye yes, very vulnerable. So so yeah, they're
a nice tasty meal for them. But anyways, even though they look cute.
But going back to the princes and like, you know, we took
some pictures and they're not not great, but you know, we got to
see where the trackway was and and you know, again looking at things,
you know, not just centering in on that, you know, each single
print, but kind of looking at the area as a whole, we were
able to make that determination. The one thing I'm gonna say though, is
Okay, this was made by a bear. However, this bear made that
impression that deep mm hmm. So this bear that was coming through Now again
we're in Pennsylvania. We have some very large black bears. I'm gonna make
a rough estimate here. I'm gonna say anywhere from four hundred to six hundred
pounds. Wow, that was a monster. Yeah, that was a yeah.
And even even where I live here in northeastern PA, I'm on kind
of the other side of the state, but I'm still in the in the
mountainous region. We've had beers that were I think the biggest bears were in
the seven hundred pounds range. Wow up here crazy Yeah. Yeah. And
the thing is we couldn't. You couldn't photograph them to save your life.
They were terrified in terms and I tried different angles, I tried all kinds
of ways to photograph them. You couldn't even really put anything up next to
it to scale it. Yeah, you could definitely with the eye delineate a
clear print in terms of being there, just with the leaf litter and the
impressions. It just Yes, it worked for a foot but at no point,
I don't think at any point, Matt, we really thought we were
looking at was a big footprint. I think we knew it was some course
sort of animal. Yes, but it definitely it was a good exercise yesterday.
But it's just to the point that in PA you don't get really good
footprint castings because of the environment. Correct. So I know in in you
know, the Western United States, they have different soil compositions. You know,
you look at uh, you know, you know. Henry can probably
fill us in on a little more of like how how Bluff Creek was you
know, with in terms of the soil, you know, like that muddy
sandy soil that that's excellent for you know, for casting prints. But man,
up here it's rocks and leaves and everything else. And if we're lucky,
we might get some mud, you know. But yeah, unluck there's
along a river bank or something, right, yes, yet, Yeah,
but we were looking at those two like yesterday, we didn't really rule out
anything that there. There wasn't a visual place that we didn't try to at
least go somewhere and look for some sort of evidence or some sort of It
was a really good day. It was a great day of discovery and exploration,
and we really had a besides the you know, the friendship and the
you know camaraderie, which is always a good time, you know, just
being out there and exploring this place was really cool. And we've got i
mean without I don't want to give away too much, but Matt and I
got some pretty big projects coming along that this area is going to be our
focal point for said projects. And I'm very pleased with what we got yesterday.
I really am. And Baker, you've been there so Bake, you
know this place you guys make one valid point as though as you went in
to look for evidence of signs of things you didn't do. And we've had
this, I've had this rant many times about the circlers and the other things.
Is but like you didn't walk into the wan to go this must be
a bigfoot track. Okay, I have a track. Okay, what is
it? Okay, well, Mac goes, it's gonna be that much weight
because look how it presses. You use science and trigonometry and all stuff in
math, all the things that people said you'd never use every day, but
you do. You don't notice it, and you used all those to beverifyd
down to Okay, I've got it down to it's not a deer, but
it's not an elk. It's got a wave of a bear. The way
the gate is, it could be a bear. Without seeing the bear.
You're seventy five percent sure it's a bear, and you're one hundred percent sure
is not a saucequatch because you're using math and science instead of it's got to
be a sausquatch. Correct. And that's where that's where me and Schohn have
always been on that same page of let's figure out what it isn't and narrow
down what could be. Well, somebody well in and go, yeah,
that's a prayer, that's going to be it. Let's go cast that sucker,
go sell them for fifty bucks piece. No, if you were with
us yesterday, I think you would have appreciated the amount of humor. Yes,
and I put into that very thing you're talking about, because we ran
into this tree fall, made a perfect ex formation. We took some photos
with it to be smart, but like it. To the conversation we were
having, Matt was saying, like, to somebody who's a romantic, this
is here's a tree fall, this is perfect tree book, right, And
so we had to go through and take our pictures and just kind of do
our due diligence and have a little fun with it. But in doing so,
you know, like you said, Baker, we really try to use
the science based approach to what we're doing. Eliminate the possibilities and the potentialities
of what it could be or what it can't be, and nine times out
of ten you're going to drive to the right answer. I don't think there's
any question you say seventy I think, Matt and I tell you, we're
one hundred percent there. So I was just guesstimating with the existence. But
like you didn't like to sit there and take fourteen pictures in the circle listening
where it must have. You know. It's kind of like when we went
we first came on the mind land. We had a formation and you could
see where the two trees were growing and the other trees. The wind blew
over and made the formation. But like we had the same conversation in a
bar after an Ohio Bickfoot conference. And this gentleman as Barrickman, isn't it
he was he was talking to Cliff Barrickman. He wasn't talking to Cliff.
He was preaching the Cliff, like Marco, this has gotta be. And
Cliff said, the one thing that it's stuck in my head more than anything
else is he goes, you can't prove it's a bigfoot unless you saw him
do it. Then he may have said more eloquently, but that was the
core, you know. And I'm amazed I remembered anything him that night because
that Cargill was huge. Well, like it's this guy was not like saying
this could be a big for this. He was preaching, like if you
if you were across the room, you could hear this gentleman, and then
like it blew silent. When Cliff said that, everybody was like, yeah,
just shut up, dude, because like you, if you didn't see
him do it, it doesn't it's not a it's not this, you know.
Like I go out to my land, I know there's been deer all
over my pumpkin patch because I see pellets and I see footprints. I'm ninety
deer, you know. But until I see the gear that made the pellets
and made for I can't pick which one it was, or I can't be
on to prevent you know. By the way, later on that night,
I found James Baker face down in a fire pit and we called him Cinderella.
Yeah, Henry, we've all monopolized this hour. You have any thoughts
Do you have any thoughts for us, Henry tonight and everything we've talked about
to get you a little sound piece on here because we've been greedy, sorry,
Henry, mm hmm. It's good that you guys did the due diligence
and maybe said that that no it you eliminated everything. You literally all the
possibilities bigfoot last. That's what you guys put it is. It was big
How much time do you think could be saved if people would adopt that philosophy?
Oh my gosh, A lot of the time arguments said that comment last.
I really like that. That's the first time I've heard that, and
really like analogy. I like that. That's awesome when it comes to evidence,
it's bigfoot last, bigfoot last. I like that. Folks, you've
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