WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:08.720 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:17.679 day. Now here's nick coffee. All right, let's do this five o'clock 3 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:21.960 on a Friday. Thanks for hanging out with us. Maybe you've already got 4 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:26.800 the weekend started. We will do that in about an hour. But you 5 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:30.440 know, maybe you don't get your weekend started till later. Maybe you maybe 6 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:33.359 it started yesterday. I don't. Everybody's got different schedules, but the vibes 7 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:37.799 on a Friday always really strong, and it's best day of the week. 8 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:40.200 You know, it's actually a workday. You know, I start to get 9 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.159 up early. I can sleep in a little bit on Saturday Sunday. But 10 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:50.200 there's something about a Friday that just is the it's the best. There's no 11 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.240 case that could be made that it's not the best day of the week in 12 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.640 my opinion. Everybody has their own preferences. I get it, Like if 13 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.600 you work a I think they call it a flex shift, where you like 14 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:03.159 work the weekend, that would suck. So maybe like your Friday is is 15 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:07.920 different than everybody else's, but that like that's so that when everybody is well 16 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:12.359 not everybody, but like when most people have like worked the week, they're 17 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:18.400 ready to unwind. Knowing that like everybody's feeling the vibe makes it the vibe 18 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.519 that it is that makes sense, Like we're all in the same way. 19 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:26.640 Like if you've got a day off on a Wednesday, you know, technically 20 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.280 you know your it's your day, it's your weekend essentially, But like if 21 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:33.840 nobody else does, like, it just doesn't feel it doesn't feel right. 22 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:38.599 There's a collective enjoyment of Fridays that just makes it. You know, it's 23 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.640 the best day of the week, and I love it. So thank you 24 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:47.239 all for spending this this great day with us. The jets over top of 25 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.879 us are getting louder and louder. It would be really frightening for somebody who 26 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.760 would not know. Like if also, like if you just end up in 27 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.200 Louisville and you're downtown, maybe you have a layover or something, like I 28 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.480 imagine you probably be able to pick up that there's something going on here, 29 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:06.159 you know what I mean. But you probably know there's a fireworks show and 30 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:07.719 it's tomorrow night, and you're thinking, what the hell's going on? Like 31 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.960 the story that Jeff Greers shared with us earlier than the show. It sounds 32 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.280 crazy as somebody who's lived here my whole life, but like, if you're 33 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.719 not, you could you could even be, you know, somebody that's here 34 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:22.719 periodically for work and be completely thrown off by the Friday afternoon whenever. The 35 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:24.719 I know they fighter jets. Is that what their career is? Yeah, 36 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:30.719 I mean it's it's loud in a major way, all right. So if 37 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:32.639 you are just now joining us, been a busy, busy show thus far. 38 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:37.120 We did start with kind of picking up picking up from yesterday with the 39 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.400 news of Ali Khalifa, who committed the Louisville and we'll probably red shirt. 40 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:46.319 But I'm trying to figure out if that's like a definite thing. I'm assuming 41 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:50.840 that they that that is their plan, but I've been told by somebody who 42 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.599 wouldn't who would know more than I would, But I don't know if this 43 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:55.360 is for sure that it's not as if he's gonna have surgery. If that, 44 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.319 if he has surgery, then that makes it to where it's clearly, 45 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.520 hey, he's going to be on the end. He needs to not only 46 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.479 rehab, but then he'll have to get in shape after that, which that's 47 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:06.840 an issue now, is he's not in great playing shape. I mean, 48 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.240 he's clearly a big guy that you know, strength strengthening additioning I think will 49 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:15.520 be a big task for him to you know, to work on before he 50 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:20.639 hits the floor for Pat Kelsey, but if he if he is going to 51 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.319 have you know, in e fact, even if he's rehabbing his knee, 52 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:24.479 it's going to be tough for him to stay in shape because you know, 53 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.759 you're not running a whole lot. There's ways to stay active and you know, 54 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:30.159 do conditioning. If you can't put a lot of weight or any weight 55 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.960 on your knee, I mean to me, it sounds damn near impossible, 56 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.919 but I know there's ways of doing it. But either way, it's a 57 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.120 nice addition for Pat Kelsey, like rivalry stuff aside. You know, Pat 58 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:43.520 likes to play five out offense at times, which to me sounds crazy, 59 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.879 but it is something that's done this day and age with basketball, and it 60 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.759 can work, and it's worked for him at Charleston. And honestly, Ali 61 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.680 Khalifa at seven foot, two hundred and seventy pounds being a guy that excels 62 00:03:53.719 --> 00:04:00.400 like his two biggest strengths are passing and shooting. Not something you typically see 63 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.159 from a guy that is seven foot two hundred and seventy pounds, and because 64 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:09.159 you know, you can't put a guard on him because you know at that 65 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:12.879 point he'd be forced to play down low and just go to work. So 66 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:16.120 he's just an odd matchup for other teams with the skill set that he has. 67 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:18.600 And you know, I'll stand by what I said yesterday. You know, 68 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.639 his production last year was just odd, and I did go back and 69 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:26.399 watch a lot of highlights and stuff, and now I can understand why he 70 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:29.920 would have that stat line right, Like his percentage wasn't great from the field 71 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.680 because you know, his three point percentage and his field goal percentage relatively similar. 72 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:39.040 You know why, because he pretty much only shot three point shots and 73 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:41.399 he you know, shot it in the mid thirties I believe it is, 74 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.040 which is not bad for a three point shooter. But his passing, I 75 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.240 mean, the way Pope played BYU, I mean that really helped him. 76 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:50.680 But packkelse he's going to play a similar style at times. And you know, 77 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:55.639 I think if he's on the floor for twenty minutes a game like he 78 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.240 was at BYU, I wouldn't be shocked if his assist numbers are similar or 79 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.120 maybe even better. And that sounds crazy, but when he's out there in 80 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.720 that system, playing that style, that's what he's there to do. It's 81 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:08.319 not like, oh, we're gonna feed our big and let him go to 82 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.360 work, but then we're gonna benefit on the fact that he's got good vision, 83 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.120 can see the floor and just and dish it, distribute, find cutters, 84 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.279 that kind of stuff. I mean, I guess they could do that, 85 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.920 but I think at times he'll be in there because that's his strength. 86 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:26.519 So a solid pick up, no doubt. And the fact that it was 87 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.920 a guy who played for Mark Pope and did not follow Mark Pope to Kentucky 88 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:33.839 but instead came to Louisville, you know that. Uh, that's that's an 89 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:40.439 added bonus. And it was a real reminder that Kentucky fans despite knowing and 90 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.240 I think they would tell you this. In fact, I had lunch with 91 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.920 a couple of my buddies today. They're Kentucky fans, and they know that 92 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.120 they're not going to recruit the way Cali Perry did at Kentucky because that's just 93 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.759 not realistic. Nobody does. And that's not a slight at Mark Pope, 94 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:55.879 nobody recruits like John cal Perry nobody, so like they know that going in. 95 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.319 But also, and I'm not talking about these guys specifically, but just 96 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.759 you know, it's still gonna be a process, an adjustment process, because 97 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:09.560 they're gonna lose on recruits like they never have before. And it's it's because 98 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:17.639 one Cala Perry's not there. And also selling Kentucky without Cali Perry is just 99 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:23.920 not just not the same thing. And I think Mark Pope will get some 100 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:26.720 good recruits. I think he'll probably end up getting some good transfers this cycle 101 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:28.399 as well. I don't know how good his team's gonna be. I mean, 102 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:30.240 they'd have nobody. By the way, if you missed that, at 103 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.480 the end of the four o'clock hour, Kentucky has lost Jordan Burks to the 104 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.040 transfer portal. So now they only have two guys on their roster for next 105 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:40.079 year and neither of them have played. One is a freshman, Travis Perry. 106 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:46.680 The other is is the transfer Colin something. Uh yeah, Colin Chandler 107 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.839 who transferred from UH from not Colin Coward, right, correct, He transferred 108 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:54.399 from BYU, but he never played. He was out. He was two 109 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.800 years on a mission, and now he's back and he's playing college basketball, 110 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:04.519 so you know Pope will be Let's be real, Kentucky being Kentucky never hurt 111 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:09.759 you and clearly helped you to an extent. But when Calip Perry was getting 112 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:15.279 top five player after top five player, it's because he sold them on getting 113 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:18.199 them too the NBA, and he did that really, really well. Now 114 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:23.160 the pitch is totally different. Now you're selling you'd want to come to Kentucky 115 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.240 because look, it's Kentucky and that matters. Kentucky's one of the bigger brands 116 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.319 in the sport. We all know that, but that doesn't matter as much 117 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.800 right now. Kids want to go to the NBA and they want to be 118 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:38.120 paid, and Kentucky can pay them. But you know, other schools came 119 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:44.199 too, right And I think, honestly, the type of player that you 120 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:48.439 would have to really throw up a lot of money, drop the bag, 121 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:55.000 stand on the business, I think that kind of player wouldn't fit with Mark 122 00:07:55.040 --> 00:08:00.000 Poe. Not because like style of play, but like I think Mark Poe 123 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.079 is going to be a little more blue collar and want to get players that 124 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.279 it's not He's only going to get them if they say they would die to 125 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.199 wear the Kentucky uniform. Like you mentioned, that's just a clever thing to 126 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.759 say, to talk about how much you appreciate Kentucky and really playing to the 127 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.639 fan base, and that's that's that's a wise thing to say. But I 128 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.279 feel like Mark Pope would not really want a guy if he knows the only 129 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.439 way he could get him is if the school doubles the nil or whoever doubles 130 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.800 the nil that the other schools. I just don't know if that's a compatible 131 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.839 fit. So in a way, you gotta want people to want to be 132 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.240 there for the other reasons too, right, Like if they want to play 133 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.960 Kentucky because they love they like Kentucky as they you know clearly it's a great 134 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:41.120 program, great success, big fan base, and you know they feel like 135 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:46.639 they'll be competitive. They like Mark Pope because they've seen his style of play. 136 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:52.320 Maybe he eventually builds a pattern of getting guys to the NBA. I 137 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.639 think you'd want them to want to be there, and then it's like, 138 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:56.960 well, I know I'm gonna get money at Kentucky, so I'm not worried 139 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:58.120 about that. And be honest with you, that is how Caliperi got a 140 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.440 lot of these players. Clearly Nil was in good shape. But Cal early 141 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:09.200 on in the Nil era and maybe even most recently, he would navigate that 142 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.200 is with, Look, you don't have to worry about that, you're gonna 143 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.000 be in the NBA next year and it'll all work itself out and you're gonna 144 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.399 be paid here. Like it was rarely a bidding war for these freshmen. 145 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.159 I think it actually did turn into that with this class that signed to Kentucky 146 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.159 and is now going elsewhere. And that's why he struggled on the portal because 147 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.000 you know, Cal wasn't about to you know, I mean he could say 148 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.960 that to the freshman and they would know I'm going to the NBA, so 149 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.879 like, yeah, I'll make enough money six figures probably for me and my 150 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:37.879 family for the year that I'm there, and then it's big payday and nobody's 151 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.000 gonna give me a chance to get that bigger payday in the NBA than John 152 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:46.200 Vincent Caliperi. He can't sell that to Hunter Dickinson. He can't say the 153 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.960 same thing Becausehndery Dickon's not going to the NBA. It's like in the portal, 154 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.600 you gotta be able to do that. So maybe the older guys in 155 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.879 the portal that know they're not going to the NBA, they just want to 156 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.480 play for a guy who plays a really exciting style with like Mark Pope does. 157 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.879 Maybe that is that is that is the calling card, right, that's 158 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:03.919 what they do. They go get guys that are older that know the NBA 159 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:07.279 is not really in their future, but they want to play for a good 160 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.559 program that has a huge fan base and a coach that they like and they 161 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.639 feel like we'll utilize them. Well, I think that's going to be the 162 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.720 scenario, which, again, you can do that and it can work. 163 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:18.480 Look around the country. Some of the best teams in the last two years 164 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.679 have teams built like that. But it's so different than what Kentucky's always been 165 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.360 and I just think there's going to be an adjustment process for their fans to 166 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:31.720 kind of see that, because again, there's going to be losing these guys 167 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:37.480 that were committed and signed to Caliperi at Arkansas. That's the expectation. That's 168 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.559 not really a loss, right, you knew when they left. When he 169 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:43.080 left, those guys were leaving. To even some of the players that were 170 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.679 on this team. But when it comes down to getting transfers and you're in 171 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:52.399 a one on one battle with somebody and you lose more often than you win, 172 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.440 because again, these guys are picking Baylor like Jeremy Roach is going to 173 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:00.200 or maybe they're picking Arkansas because col wants to stick it to you. Take 174 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.399 a player that Mark Pope won't want. That's where I feel like it's gonna 175 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.960 be. I think it's gonna be tough for him to deal with it. 176 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:07.600 There's nothing to do about it. In the end, the change still needed 177 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.120 to happen. But if you had Scott Drew here instead of Mark Pope, 178 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:16.320 Scott Drew would not have hit you in your feelings the way Mark Pope did. 179 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.679 He wouldn't have had the crowd that they had because Mark Pope, you 180 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.399 know, similar to honestly, Jeff Brom not comparing them as accomplished coaches in 181 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:30.559 that same level. I'm just saying, Jeff Brom gives us something that if 182 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:35.039 Louisville paid a coach fifty million dollars annually couldn't give us. He is one 183 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.440 of us, he cares, he knows us. There's no way he would 184 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.360 ever not care about Louisville. Mark Pope's that guy, and that's great. 185 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.799 But Mark Pope, you know, he's just so different than like Scott Drew, 186 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.080 different than Caliperry two. But he also recruits at a really high level 187 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.679 and would have brought his five star freshmen with him, and he would have 188 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.159 brought Jeremy Roach probably. I mean, like, it's just it's just different. 189 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.200 So Kentucky could end up being really really good with Mark Pope or not 190 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.639 Kentucky fans, but Kentucky get end up being really good with Mark Pope. 191 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.679 But I just think the scenario where that's the case is going to take some 192 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:13.240 time, and no fan base is truly patient. But I think their fan 193 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:20.600 base, given their standard of excellence in their elitism, I think they could 194 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.840 crumble due to lack of patience. That's the way I see it. But 195 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.320 you know, only time will tell, all right, So back to the 196 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.480 Louisville side of things. Jaden Quaintance JQ as they call him. He's on 197 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.320 campus, he's visiting. There's all kinds of pictures he's posted on his Instagram 198 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:41.759 story and everybody's screenshotting them and sharing them, and it's it doesn't really mean 199 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:46.080 anything. It doesn't. You know, it's not a tell as if things 200 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.559 are going great or bad. Every recruit does this. But I'm just excited 201 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.799 and re energized to you know, to know that that we're we're all in 202 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.320 right, meaning we're this excited. And I think, to me, I 203 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.039 see this as kind of a free bee, like getting him here on his 204 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.720 first visit since de committing from Kentucky. And somebody texted to this in earlier 205 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.240 and I and I'm sure you're making fun of me, but I think it 206 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:15.960 actually still fits. Knowing that Nil is very important to acquaintance and his and 207 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.320 his folks, and then Pat Kelsey being able to get him to schedule his 208 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:26.720 first visits since de committing to Kentucky, that gives the impression. And it 209 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.960 may damn near be proof that Pat Kelsey's doing what Johnny's standing on business. 210 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.639 That's all they do. Yeah, I mean, it's standing on business. 211 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:39.120 So maybe you pay an insane amount of money to get this kid, and 212 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.559 it's just a bidding thing and you win the war as far as money. 213 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:45.000 And maybe that's the case, although Arkansas, I'm sure, I'm sure will 214 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:48.679 pay. I mean, if Arkansas's got Jerry Jones money, which that's literally 215 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:54.919 what Jerry Jones stated, is that he'll double whatever nil money that the former 216 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.240 Kentucky Commits are going to get to get him to come to Arkansas. At 217 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.440 that point, you Louisville is in a good spot with an IL, but 218 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:07.399 I don't think they're going to out out pay Jerry Jones, So I do 219 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.080 believe not to. And I don't know anything about quaintance, his family or 220 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.679 anything, but nobody's ever gonna come out, rather be a player or a 221 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.000 player's parent or a player's agent, because they have agents now too. They're 222 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.840 never going to come out and say, well, I just came down to 223 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.720 money. They're never gonna say that, but it does like that's a huge 224 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.440 factor. And if Arkansas can throw reckless amounts of money at a sixteen year 225 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:35.399 old kid, I think it'd be crazy for them to turn that down, 226 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.679 because again, this is a guy who is sixteen years old, he has 227 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.799 to play two years in college, he cannot go to the NBA until twenty 228 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.960 twenty six, and he's clearly a guy that is raw and has a lot 229 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.879 of potential. The ceiling is high, and he's not even close to being 230 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:54.600 as good as he's going to be. But if you watch him play, 231 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.519 like he's not somebody who's like learning how to play basketball, but as a 232 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.279 freak athlete Aaron Bradshaw or something. I'm not picking on that kid, but 233 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:07.080 like obviously you could see there was you know's he can run, he's got 234 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.759 size, length, athleticism, but like he don't know how to play basketball. 235 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.519 This guy, Quaintance is skilled already. He can handle the ball at 236 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.879 times, looks like he's a guard out there. He's developed, like he's 237 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.600 not some scrawny dude. I mean, he's special. So you know, 238 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.039 the fact that he's here is awesome, and I'm just trying not to get 239 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.000 just trying not to get my hopes up here because I knew going in, 240 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.080 like, hey, cool to get to visit, but you know, by 241 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.919 all accounts, this guy is probably going to follow John Caliperry Arkansas. Well 242 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.879 then I saw what his dad liked on Twitter, and it for just at 243 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:45.399 least a millisecond made me think, Okay, Louis will may get this guy. 244 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.000 So there is a UK fan who tweeted this out. When Kyle left 245 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.759 Kentucky, Jaden Quaintance's camp put out that he may stay at Kentucky, but 246 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:56.960 they want to talk about what that looks like. With the ad Mitch Barnhardt 247 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:03.480 ignored the formalities and called JQ nor any of the other commits. Now he's 248 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:07.600 likely Louisville bound. Well, his dad, Jaden Quainton's his father liked that 249 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:12.679 tweet, and it's probably more than anything, just him acknowledging that Barnhart didn't 250 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.960 have interest, which, as I explained earlier, I think Barnhart knows that 251 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:22.240 the arrangements made financially for those freshmen to come to Kentucky were made through John 252 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.559 Calaperi's sources of nil, not Kentucky's, and it just wouldn't be financially doable. 253 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.320 I mean, maybe they have the money, but like it's just it's 254 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.559 you lose cal you lose those guys. So maybe, you know, Mitch 255 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.159 probably saved time and energy by just letting it be and letting him walk. 256 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:42.639 But there's also that little line at the end. Now he's likely to Louisville, 257 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:45.720 which again that probably had very little to do maybe nothing to do with 258 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:51.320 why he liked the tweet. But I find myself now again getting in into 259 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.440 the the mess of you know, following recruiting, and I guess transfers on 260 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:02.559 the internet NonStop, and it was always something I kept up with, you 261 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:04.160 know, because of what I do. But like with Louisville, like you 262 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.960 know, Louiville didn't have a single recruit for the twenty twenty four class, 263 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:12.880 like there was there was no there was no movement, right, there was 264 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:18.000 no uh, nothing to really track and even like if there was something, 265 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:19.480 it was usually fake. Can he just trying to make it look like he's 266 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:23.079 recruiting And if it wasn't fake and it was real, it would just be 267 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.200 a reminder, man, we may get a good player. What a waste 268 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.160 because you know, the coaching staff it's a clown show. Speaking of Kenny, 269 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.440 that was also something we discussed earlier, and that was that he's followed 270 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:36.759 cald Arkansaw. I don't have really a big reaction to that. I mean 271 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.079 I expected him to get back in. Apparently he was offered a couple of 272 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.279 jobs in the NBA and he was awful. Also offered a job at Kentucky 273 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:48.039 which he turned down, and that would be weird to see him coaching at 274 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:52.839 Kentucky without Caliperi. But the reason why that they wanted to do that and 275 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.960 get him on board. Makes sense to me. It's kind of a desperation 276 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.240 thing. But I can also at least, I mean, I can't really 277 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.000 fault them for wanting to do it, because in order for you to continue 278 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.920 to maintain the brand of the NBA Factory one, it's gonna be hard to 279 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.400 do. Because that was Caliperry, right, Kentucky helped him. Right. 280 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:12.359 He doesn't believe that, I'm sure, but one of the reasons why Cal 281 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.359 was able to do what he did and recruit all these players wasn't just because 282 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:18.160 of him. It was because he was at Kentucky. He placed with the 283 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.799 humongous fan base, national audience every game, that kind of stuff. But 284 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:27.480 all those guys in the NBA that played for Cala Kentucky are close to Kenny 285 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:32.279 in a way that is deeper than just a coach. And if Kenny's at 286 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:37.240 Kentucky, that would give those guys the real reason to be around. And 287 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.720 you know, I don't think they hate Kentucky, but clearly Cal knows it's 288 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.240 best for him to control the narrative and let everybody know that those guys committed 289 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.000 to me, those are my guys, not Kentucky guys, the players, 290 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:49.480 you know, they're like the kids going through a divorce. They're never going 291 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.200 to I mean, they're never going to be crazy one side or the other. 292 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.079 They're going to say they love Big Blue and they're going to say they 293 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:59.480 love Cal. But make no mistake about it, it's going to be a 294 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.839 calculated thing from Cali Perry to make sure that he maintains that he's the guy 295 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.359 that puts everybody in the NBA and everybody knows that. But I think if 296 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.160 you had Kenny Payne there, Mark Pope would be able to maybe have those 297 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.839 guys around more. And I think they'll still come to Kentucky here and there. 298 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:18.160 But let's be honest, they'll be at Arkansas before they're gonna be in 299 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.799 Lexington. They will, especially since it's new and Cal's there. I mean, 300 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.240 that's just what's gonna happen. And I think that's gonna you know, 301 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:32.559 it's gonna make Kentucky fans you feel a certain way when we come back on 302 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:33.799 the other side. I'll let you guys hear what Josh Hurt had to say 303 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.799 about Kenny Paine taking the job at Arkansas. Stick with us. It's cofee 304 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.039 and Company, Phil about Thornton's on SportsTalk seven ninety. That's right, Coffee 305 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.240 and Company on a Friday afternoon. We've got about thirty minutes left here, 306 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:47.640 so let's make it count. We're gonna be joined coming up here in just 307 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:51.119 a couple of minutes by doctor Eric Michailroy from pro Riat Physical Therapy. But 308 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.680 I mentioned just before we went to break that the Kenny Payne to Arkansas news 309 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.079 really wasn't that surprising. I mean, I thought he was gonna get back 310 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.880 in the game relatively quickly. And also you know he reuniting with cal was 311 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.759 I think a no brainer. But I don't think any of us a month 312 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:12.359 ago thought it would be at h at Arkansas. But a lot has changed, 313 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:18.039 A lot has changed here recently, and man, especially like a month 314 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.759 ago, imagine like saying we'd be in this spot. It's just crazy. 315 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.160 But vibes are good, no doubt. And Josh Hurd was asked about Kenny 316 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:29.039 Payne going to Arkansas, and here's what he had to say. Not that 317 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:33.000 this is not a juicy SoundBite, but just wanted to share with you guys. 318 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:34.799 I think it's a great opportunity. What's wrong sound here we go. 319 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.359 I think it's a great opportunity for him. He had some tremendous, tremendous 320 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:45.200 success working with coach Cal and wish Kenny nothing but the best and hope that 321 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:49.000 they have that same success in fayette Ville, just as long as they're not 322 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:53.440 playing Louisville. So, joh, this is the first time I've seen Josh 323 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.599 since he was introducing Pat Kelsey a few weeks ago. And obviously he was 324 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.640 you'd see him from time to time at Louisville games this year, and I 325 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.240 think he had a couple of after like a board meeting, he was interviewed, 326 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.039 and he just looked, you know, he looked exhausted. You know, 327 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.119 he looked like he was, you know, as you could expect. 328 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.160 This was really really difficult for him to be the athletic director at a school 329 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.079 where basketball is such a vital thing and things, you know, to be 330 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.480 nice, we're I mean, I think it's it's putting it nicely to say 331 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.559 things were bad. I mean it was beyond that. And you know that 332 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:27.519 took a lot out of him because it's his job to you know, fix 333 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.119 that. And he looks like a million bucks now. He looks. He 334 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:36.640 looks ten years younger. You know, he just he could tell he's feeling 335 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:40.000 much better as we all are, right, I mean, the the vibe 336 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:44.640 enhancement that Pat Kelsey has has provided here is just what we needed. Now 337 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:47.079 we'll see, you know, if success is there. Only time will tell. 338 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.960 We can't determine that yet. But so far, just everybody being excited 339 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.319 once again about basketball is awesome. He really is. You know. It's 340 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:57.000 not that I don't remember what this felt like, but it had been a 341 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:00.400 while since we felt it. So good stuff. All right, speaking of 342 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.240 good stuff, let's bring him ahead. He's doctor Eric McElroy from pro Reaf 343 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.079 Physical Therapy. Eric. How we doing, sir? I'm doing great, 344 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.400 man. I'm sitting in traffic getting ready across the river heading to Saint Louis 345 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.599 for a soccer tournament, so on a beautiful day that sounds like fun. 346 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:19.960 Saint Louis Is Is that a city you would say you're a fan of? 347 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.039 Is it a place you frequent? I know it's probably not too far from 348 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:27.559 where you grew up, right, I'm originally from Memphis, so oh, 349 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.920 I didn't know that. I thought you were from the other part of Kentucky. 350 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:36.599 No, but the yeah, I think we don't go there a lot. 351 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.400 This is you know, they do have a lot of soccer tournament's pretty 352 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:44.680 big soccer town and so they have a big one Scott Gallagher. But yeah, 353 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:49.119 cool town y'all have to do. The city Museum is really cool obviously, 354 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.720 the arch and all that stuff. But no, we don't go there 355 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.599 really all because because you went to Murray State, I just tend to forget 356 00:22:56.599 --> 00:22:57.720 that you're not actually from there. That's just where you where you went to 357 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:02.240 school. That's right, that's just where I went down there really to play 358 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:04.480 football. So but you know what, there's a lot of a lot of 359 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:11.240 students from Saint Louis and Memphis and Nashville down there because of where it is, 360 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.799 and so racer nation, baby, that's right. Uh, that's a 361 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:18.119 that's why. That's why I think it made it unique. You know, 362 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.279 I was coming down there from here and really there wasn't very many students. 363 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.839 I mean there's a lot from Louisville, but not nothing like Nashville, Memphis 364 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:32.079 and Saint Louis because those cities are all closer to Murray. Well, safe 365 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:33.599 travels, I hope we uh you know, we don't cause a distraction. 366 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.920 We'll keep we'll keep the questions professional here and is that way you can you 367 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.319 know, you could have some smooth sailing there as you make your way into 368 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.279 Saint Louis. But right now, I can't think of a time where the 369 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:48.079 both fan bases here locally Louisville Kentucky fans have been in this spot where they're 370 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.839 going to have an entirely new team next year, meaning everybody that is going 371 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.359 to be a scholarship basketball player at Louisville, Kentucky, Louisvill or Kentucky is 372 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:59.880 going to be someone who you know, enrolled as a freshman or somebody that 373 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.960 transferred from another school. And you know, the portal is still in its 374 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.680 early stages. But you know this is extreme, but it's because of the 375 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:08.799 situation, coaching changes, and just you know, everything that came with it. 376 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:12.920 But one of the new additions for Louisville is Ali Khalifa, who is 377 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.200 a six to eleven, two hundred and seventy pound big man from BYU and 378 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.799 he's got a very unique game. His strengths are passing and shooting, which 379 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:25.519 you don't typically see. You know, that be the real weapons for you 380 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.519 know, for a guy that size, but he's expected a red shirt due 381 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.240 to a nagging knee injury. And what I wanted to ask you is, 382 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:37.200 it doesn't sound like he's gonna have surgery. He already had surgery, and 383 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:41.000 he played this year not at one hundred percent. Mark Pope at BYU when 384 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.759 he was coaching him, said that he's just not one hundred percent and it 385 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:48.160 really his availability was was really down to pain tolerance. So he already had 386 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.079 a surgery and he's still going through the rehab process. When you hear that, 387 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:52.920 When you hear that, and again, I know you don't know what 388 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.279 the exact injury is or anything like that, but to hear that he is 389 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.599 going to set out an entire year to rehab, you know, would you 390 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.359 what's your reaction to hearing that? To me, that seems like that that 391 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:04.559 you know, that's a long time to take off. But then again, 392 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.200 you know, maybe somebody with that kind of a frame really needs that much 393 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:12.319 time to fully get back to one hundred percent. Well, it definitely tells 394 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.000 me that it's more than a nagging knee injury. Uh, you know, 395 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:19.079 I just it just seems kind of interesting that he's played and you know, 396 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.480 he is where he is, and then it's going to take a year. 397 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.799 So it tells me it's something that definitely needs to heal and recover if we're 398 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.440 gonna red shirt him considering the time you know where we are right now. 399 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:36.359 Uh, and basketball season is still far enough away that most pretty straightforward knee 400 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.519 scopes, uh, so on and so forth. You know, if I 401 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:44.960 kind of generalize that he should be back in plenty of times. So, 402 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.839 you know, it seems like something that makes me wonder if there's some cartilage 403 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.400 damage or something that's some of that stuff can be pretty fragile. Uh, 404 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.440 you got to give it time to to heal. So if they you know, 405 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:02.440 were to have to take some cartilage and and culture it and grow it 406 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.079 and then stick it. You know, sometimes we'll go in and plug it 407 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:07.599 on the surface of the joint and that stuff's pretty fat, fragile, and 408 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.920 they gotta let that heal and so things like that will take time, and 409 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:17.839 it makes me wonder if that's more of what he's dealing with. So you 410 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.599 know him and who knows. Can I can I tell you my theory? 411 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.279 Yeah, My theory is that the the the the red shirt thing is something 412 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.519 that they they're prepared to do just to make sure he's healthy. But obviously 413 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.640 strengthening additioning is an issue as well. He's a big guy, and you 414 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.720 know he's strengthing additioning. I think it's probably been an issue for him as 415 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.039 a basketball player his whole life, just because of his build. But I 416 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:42.839 think it's more of an emphasis you got to get in better shape before you 417 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:47.880 play, and if that takes you red shirting to do so, then we'll 418 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.640 It's just a guess, but I would not be shocked if he actually does 419 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.000 end up playing for Louisville this year, just just a hunch, because it's 420 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.079 not you know, again, I thought for sure that means he was going 421 00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.119 that means he was gonna have to have surgery. It turns out he actually 422 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.079 already had surgery long go. It's just you know, he's still kind of 423 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:03.720 dealing with some pain and someone you know. But actually me ask you this, 424 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.960 if you are a bit like if you are somebody that is considered to 425 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:15.160 be overweight compared to others that play that level sport at that position, rehab's 426 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.599 probably a different animal, right because you know, it's it's it's probably it's 427 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.920 probably more extensive real rehabilitation that you'd need, right because you're you're carrying a 428 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.119 lot more weight, and you know, the other guys that are playing your 429 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:26.599 position, you know they're a lot more agile because they're not as big, 430 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.799 right, I mean, I think every every sports different as far as he 431 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.599 goes. When you're dealing with the guy that size who generally we would you 432 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:40.319 know, say yes, sorry, he's not as conditioned as the other athletes 433 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:45.319 that are leaner, quote unquote more fit. There is more challenges to it. 434 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.240 Those are things that you anticipate in the rehab process. You're going to 435 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.440 integrate more conditioning in the rehab process from day one. You always integrate conditioning 436 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:57.759 always. The rehab process is not really especially in athletics. Just like you 437 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.720 know, addressing the pain, the need, you're integrating a lot of different 438 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.279 things along the way that you're able to do and also keep the area that 439 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:10.440 we're trying to work on safe. So yeah, for people for athletes like 440 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.440 that who we know, we also know have a tendency to get a little 441 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:18.799 overweight or deconditioned faster, we're gonna put a lot more emphasis on that knowing 442 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.440 that, so we don't have that same lag time when they do start to 443 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.359 complete. The rehab process in itself makes sense, all right, let's switch 444 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.039 gears to the NBA. So I've not kept up with the the play in 445 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.279 games a whole lot other than just you know, knowing who's winning and advancing 446 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:36.720 and keeping their season alive. But Jimmy Butler is expected to miss several weeks, 447 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.880 which is gonna make it tough for this Miami Heat team. But he's 448 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:45.079 dealing with a right mc L injury, you know. I mean that that 449 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.880 makes it to where like they'd have to probably get into the second round maybe 450 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:49.720 for him to be one hundred percent. I don't know. I'm sure there's 451 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.359 levels to that kind of an injury. But right MCL several weeks? Is 452 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.240 that is that? You know? Is that reasonable? Or do you think 453 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.880 maybe he could potentially be back sooner or is that probably right about what it 454 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:04.079 is? No, I would say I would say that several weeks is probably 455 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:08.519 reasonable. You never know with MCLs. MCLs are unique in that they go 456 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:14.079 off a pop principle called Wolfe's law. So basically, they respond really well 457 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.519 to weight bearing exercise as long as it's not stressing the ligament. So I 458 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.480 know that sounds crazy, but it's a really fat, thick, long ligament 459 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.920 that does well conservatively. So depending on the level of the sprain of the 460 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.680 ligament or the severity of it, depends on the timeframe and coming back. 461 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.920 He's you know, generally speaking, a few weeks would be obviously reasonable, 462 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.599 but you know, just to make sure that he can move laterally and cut 463 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:45.519 and accelerate and decelerate. But they really respond well to conservative treatment weight bearing, 464 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.359 so there's a lot of things you can go ahead and start doing that 465 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.880 you can't with other ligaments, and so you never know. I mean, 466 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.799 sometimes you could come back sooner, especially if they're going to try to put 467 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.519 a brace on or something like that. He also seems like somebody just with 468 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.160 He's a tough guy. I could see him being able to play were a 469 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.640 little bit more pain than maybe most That's just kind of how how he seems 470 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.359 to be to be wired. But our guest here is doctor Eric Michaelroy from 471 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.119 Proria have physical therapy. I always appreciate him making time for us. I 472 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:11.799 had a buddy of mine who I was talking with the other day who's dealing 473 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:17.079 with it's not a real it's not an injury, but he he overdid himself. 474 00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:21.680 He previously played college basketball at nai level and hadn't played in many years 475 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.400 competitively, you know, probably just picked up the ball, shot around. 476 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.720 But now he's he's in a men's league, and you know, he didn't 477 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.240 really have a whole lot of repetition going into it. He kind of just 478 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.440 went from not playing at all to just, you know, even though it's 479 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:33.759 men's league, it's still running them down the court, something he hadn't done 480 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.680 a long time. And in our conversation, I thought there would be a 481 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.559 good question to ask you next time we talked, because how often do you 482 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.599 guys see athletes that just really don't don't realize that you know, you're not 483 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:47.759 just rusty as far as like your skills, but like your body, like 484 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.799 trying to play at a level, even if it's not the level of playing 485 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.880 you know, small college basketball, like you know, just to go from 486 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.480 nothing to just out there run in full court in a you know, a 487 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.400 game like that's that's I mean, any time you play sports, it's dangerous, 488 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.119 but like it's probably pretty common because these are athletes that at one point 489 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.559 played at a really high level, were in great shape, probably much more 490 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.319 advanced than a lot of the guys playing in that league. But you know 491 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:11.759 what, they got older, they hadn't played in a while, and in 492 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.640 their minds they're like, oh, this will be nothing. And then they 493 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.119 come out and you know, tearing achilles or an acl or something like that 494 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:25.000 absolutely all the time, and your brain thinks she doesn't really age or feel 495 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.720 the effects of the aging process for a while like your body does. And 496 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.640 you're exactly right. When athletes are conditioned, you know, they've conditioned for 497 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.680 it. We take that for granted that all the conditioning we did in practices 498 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.480 that we dreaded that the coaches put us through, there's all kinds of tissue 499 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:42.039 adaptation that occurs from that, and you know, tissue conditioning and all kinds 500 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:47.160 of different things that enable us to perform at a higher level without the same 501 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:52.559 levels with and be able to recover faster and without the risk of injury and 502 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.000 so on and so forth. So when we have when we've been an athlete 503 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.400 in the past, and that where and here we place on our bodies, 504 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.279 later on, we'll start to show its ugly head, especially when we go 505 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.359 out and try to perform like we once did. And I was talking to 506 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.240 an athlete to having the clinic right now, who's pretty high level. He's 507 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.079 playing at the highest level in his sport right now. We're talking about TVT 508 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.160 and Peyton sever for instance. Oh yeah, job, and he's gonna try 509 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:16.559 to do that and all these things, and it's gonna take it soul. 510 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.160 He's going to be working out players. And you know, at some point 511 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.559 you got to focus a little bit more on recovery, knowing when to rest. 512 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.160 You are more risk for injuries such as achilles ruptures. So you know, 513 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.079 being a little smarter about how you you're your workload management, if you 514 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:37.599 will uh is extremely important, especially because you're not in the same level of 515 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.519 strength conditioning process or the rehab process for that matter, on a routine basis 516 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.319 like you were when you were playing competitively. Man, that makes so much 517 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.279 sense. You mentioned your mind kind of not not, you know, not 518 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.039 on the same page I guess as the rest of your body, because you 519 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:52.960 know, instincts are probably gonna you know, you're probably gonna be a little 520 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.599 rusty, a little slower to react. But you know in your mind, 521 00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.519 if you truly were to kind of, you know, go at a slower 522 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.599 pace and just kind of, you know, do everything slower, a little 523 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.880 bit more mindful, maybe a little more careful, like your your mind is 524 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.440 going to think, like what's going on, Like this is not normal. 525 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.200 You used to go in you know, ten times faster. But that's that's 526 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.519 how you mess around and and and suffer an injury. I'm sure there's some 527 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.440 pride in the way too, because you know, not this you can't maybe 528 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.759 get back to that level. But there's some i mean, if you played 529 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.720 high level college basketball for four years, I mean it was your craft, 530 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.240 it was your passion. You poured everything into it. That's what you have 531 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:28.480 to do to succeed. But you know, four years later you may still 532 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.200 be in great shape. But if you go out there and play, you 533 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.720 know, you haven't been going through that grind like you did in college, 534 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.279 and it's you know, it's it's probably a humbling experience. But I'm sure 535 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.880 a lot of people have learned the hard way with an injury. Oh Ay, 536 00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:44.160 pride is always in play, sure, right, that is always you 537 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.920 know, pride keeps me in business. That's that's a good point. Yeah, 538 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.119 People that probably getting the way they get injured and they got to come 539 00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:53.920 see you. Absolutely, you know, and it happens in every sport, 540 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.279 you know, it's golf, tennis, and durance sports, pick up basketball. 541 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.920 That making difference, that's usually what drives us a little too, a 542 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.960 little further than we should be, no doubt, Eric, I appreciate you 543 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.840 making time for us on your trip to Saint Louis. Enjoy the city. 544 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.599 Hopefully the soccer tournament goes well and safe travels back to Louisville. We'll talk 545 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.480 to you soon, my friend. All right, go cars, go cards. 546 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.840 Thank you. That's doctor Eric McElroy. Always loved the good go I 547 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.840 always love the and the go cards are always there from our friends doctor Ben's 548 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.840 and doctor McElroy. But there's just something, there's something, there's some snak 549 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.280 on them, if that makes sense, right, There's some emphasis there because 550 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:31.960 you know, vibes are good and I love it. All right, quick 551 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.320 break, we'll come back and wrap this thing up on a Friday Coffee and 552 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.599 company. Feel about Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety. You know, it's 553 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:43.239 the last segment on a Friday afternoon, and it kind of hit me. 554 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:47.599 I don't really have any any plans this weekend. I've got a wedding tomorrow, 555 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.920 so I guess that's plans. But you know, pretty low key for 556 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.800 me, which has kind of just become life for me now. And that's 557 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.880 that's okay. It's much different than you know, years ago. But I'm 558 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.840 content. In fact, it's kind of set now because the thought of like 559 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.480 actually making plans and you know, having a night out with a fellas or 560 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.039 something like that, you know, living like you know, I was ten 561 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.760 years younger, it just sounds awful. It sounds like not fun at all. 562 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.719 It sounds like a nightmare, which again I'm washed up. You got 563 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.440 any plans this weekend? No? I mean I'm gonna be working a little 564 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.400 bit tomorrow for for Thunder, but not in the same capacity as some of 565 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.599 our radio hosts. Are you are you doing? Are you like interviewing people? 566 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:29.280 No, I'll be I'll be editing those interviews. Okay, you got 567 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:30.960 to come in here to do it. No, I get to do the 568 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:31.880 house, which is not good. Yes, it's gonna say, because the 569 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.760 driving down here would be. And that's that's honestly. That's what gets me 570 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:44.079 about Thunder is that it there's just so many people all throughout downtown and then 571 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.239 for the most part, nearly all of them leave at the exact same time. 572 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.280 And that's I mean, you know, there's traffic when you're leaving the 573 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.119 Young Center for an event. Yeah, that's there's you know, there's way 574 00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:00.360 way more people around downtown than the I've heard over the years. It's gotten 575 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.760 better for Thunder, but I haven't been down so long, and I think 576 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.960 they actually have the ability to, Like I think they have good plans in 577 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.280 place to navigate parking and get you know, get people out there out of 578 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:14.400 there as quick as possible. But when you have that many people, there's 579 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.679 really no way to do that like fast, you know what I mean. 580 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.159 So hopefully everybody enjoys themselves, not only tonight at the UH, at the 581 00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:22.840 Spring game tomorrow, if you head to Thunder, and if you're heading to 582 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.920 to see the Racing Louisville match, enjoy yourselves. So we'll be back at 583 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:35.559 it on Monday right here on Sports Talk seven ninety