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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
funny to me. I don't wanna go

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out there and get embarrassed on Monday
night football. For everybody, I think

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this is the beginning of a beautiful
friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from

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yesterday. Still the same person I
was yesterday, and I got the same

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thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. You

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play to win the game. You
don't play to just play it. That's

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a great thing about sports. You
play to win. I don't care if

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you don't have any wins. You
go play to win. When you start

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telling me it doesn't matter to retire, get out for the matters, damn

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right, it does herm And you
could tell that to the Philadelphia seventy six

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ers and the Milwaukee Bucks and the
Boston Bruins to a certain excent. Boston

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still alive, the other two not
so much. Welcome on a Friday,

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We've made it through the week.
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one thousand and we'll get your thoughts
on the air. As always, Tigers

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had the night off. They're in
New York to start a weekend series with

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the Yankees tonight. New York blown
out in Baltimore last night, seven to

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two. By the way, Carlos
Rodin humbled in that loss, it will

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be Casey, It'll be a ree
Oulsen, Casey Mys tomorrow, reeese Olsen

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today against Marcus Stroman, who's coming
off, by the way, his shortest

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start of his season, just four
innings. Mise against Clark Schmidt tomorrow.

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NHL last night, Man, what
a game it was. That was awesome

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stuff. I don't know if you
had a chance to watch it, I

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hope you did. If not,
do whatever you can whatever you can to

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try and find out or at least
watch some of it, because it was

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up and down, action, physical, golden chances, great saves at both

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ends. It was phenomenal stuff.
Toronto will be Boston two to one to

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force a Game seven. William Ninhlander
had both goals. His second goal was

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the pass from Matthew Knight's was so
cool. Morgan Riley had a couple of

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assists. Joseph Wall made twenty two
saves. Game seven is in Boston tomorrow

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night. While the first goalie in
NHL history to have each of his first

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four career playoffs starts in elimination games, It's what a time, What a

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time for him to come through for
his team. Everybody outside of that locker

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room thought they were done, and
how could you not. We said it

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not too long ago. Earlier in
the week, they were arguing with one

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another. That's bound to happen.
Still. Just because the camera shows a

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couple of guys yelling at one another
doesn't mean that all is bad. What

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they do is, and these guys
said it afterwards. It's not like we're

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yelling at each other because we hate
each other. They've got expectations for one

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another, they've got expectations for a
team, expectations for themselves. They regrouped,

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incredible win in Game four five in
Boston and then to win last night.

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Really interesting point was it Ryan Callahan
who was calling the game last night.

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I believe it was anyway. Either
way, the analyst said, these

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are the games Toronto. This is
how they have to play against Boston,

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low scoring to beat them, which
is kind of interesting to me because the

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Maple Leafs offense. I mean,
when you think of the Toronto Maple Leafs,

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what do you think of. I
think of high octane offense. I

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think of Neilander, and I think
of Austin Matthews, although he's been hurt

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the last couple of games. I
think of Mitch Marner. I think of

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their captain, John Tavares. I
think it's a team that's going to outscore

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you more oftentimes than not. But
they brought they brought up a great point.

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I mean, in order to be
Boston, this is what you have

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to do. Remember this, Toronto
was the second highest scoring team in the

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NHL this year. It's not like
Boston was. But maybe it's more about

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being disciplined. Maybe low scoring is
an unfair way to describe how they have

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to win. They have to play
discipline hockey, and they did last night.

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It's been a fun series to follow. I'm excited for Game seven.

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I give Toronto a ton of credit
for battling back. How much does it

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mean if you don't complete the deal? I don't know. Remember this,

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I mean Boston what pressure self induced? You probably already know that. But

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Boston's a team that last year set
an NHL record and was dumped in the

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first round of the playoffs. This
year, the regular season not as good,

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but still damn good at one hundred
and nine points, second to Florida

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in the Atlantic, fourth overall in
the Eastern Conference because the Rangers and the

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Hurricanes excuse me, also had more
points than Boston did, but still high

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expectations for sure. Really good game
also good games, well, I would

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say not games. I would say
one game, the Sixers and Knicks game

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was fantastic. The Bucks Pacers game
stunk. Milwaukee looked defeated almost before they

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even took the floor. Now they
jumped out to a seven point leader Lyon

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Damian Lillard had a big three in
the end, Indiana blows him out one

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twenty to ninety eight. Milwaukee finished
nineteen and twenty two at Doc Rivers and

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it's the second straight year they've lost
in the first round. Pacers, now

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get the Knicks. Rick Carlisle,
the head coach of Indiana who won a

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championship in Dallas, finally wins a
playoff series after going six consecutive series without

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winning one. The last time he
had won a playoff series was the NBA

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Finals with Dallas. Here's the biggest
thing that jumped out at you. Indiana's

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bench outscored Milwaukee's fifty to ten.
A little skewed because Milwaukee was dealing with

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injuries. You know, Attata Compo
is usually a starter. He's not out

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there, so that takes bench points
off their bench or away from their bench.

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But still Milwaukee still had guys.
They still had guys who should have

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been good enough to handle this series. I think major disappointment number one.

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And now what do the Bucks do
with Attatakempo and Lopez and Lillard and so

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many others. Middleton. It's a
bad loss. It's a bad series loss

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for Milwaukee. TJ McConnell had twenty
obi up in a twenty one. It's

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the first playoff series win for Indiana
in ten years. But it's a massive,

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massive upset as far as i'm concerned. I know on to t Compo

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didn't play in the series because of
calf injury. They're supposed to be better

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than that they were at one point
people consider them the best team in the

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East. Of course, they did
the same thing with Philadelphia. Injuries have

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come back and hurt you. You
got to have depth. Speaking of Nick

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and Sixers, we'll talk about that
on the other side, and a few

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things coming your way as well.
Bottom of the hour, we will talk

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with Well, we spoke with James
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that conversation in case you missed it
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Josh Hard knockdown the game winning three
with about twenty four seconds left. It

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was the difference in the game.
Jalen Brunson had forty one points twelve assists.

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The Knicks are through the first round
for the second straight year, for

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the first time since two thousand.
So ninety nine and two thousand they reached

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the second round. Same thing these
past two seasons. Brunson is the first

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player since Michael Jordan in nineteen eighty
nine to score forty or more in a

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closeout game. Now at seven o'clock, I want to talk about some of

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these underrated players, these less known
players, and how they have well,

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they have forced me to alter my
beliefs in the NBA draft. We'll talk

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about that coming up. What I
thought was interesting, if you remember in

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was it game four? It was
Game four where the Knicks won, Jaylen

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Brunson went crazy. He had forty
six first player to do that, I

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think since Jordan. Anyway, there
was a ton and I mean a ton

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of Knicks fans and Joel Embiid came
back and was really disappointed. He was

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really was to a certain extent calling
out Sixers fans because of the allowment of

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Knicks fans in the building. Now
you and I have experienced this, I'm

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sure by rivals. It's frustrating.
You don't understand it. People buy tickets,

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or people have tickets, and then
what do they end up doing selling

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them? Oftentimes, if you're selling
them online, you don't know who they're

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going to. Instead of a home
fan getting that and cheering for the home

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team, you're getting visitors fans coming
in and taking care of business and to

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a certain extent, overthrowing the hometown
fans. Well, that's exactly what happened

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in Philadelphia in Game four, and
Joel EMBII called them out. So the

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Sixers, the owners of the Sixers
and they're former minority owner Michael Rubin,

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purchased a ton of tickets for Game
six there at the Wells Fargo Center.

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They were trying to block Knicks fans
from an over boisterous presence there. If

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you will, I believe they said
two thousand, more than two thousand of

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those tickets for Game six were going
to First Responders Healthcare professionals and some Philadelphia

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based organizations, which is great.
I don't know how much it mattered last

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night. It helped a little bit, but there is no question there were

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plenty of Knicks fans in attendance,
so much so that when the game was

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over and the Knicks were walking off
the floor, that huge contingent was there

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giving them high fives and slapping fives
and telling them way to go and congratulations

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and all those things. Look either
way, that series was a hell of

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a series. That series. You
look at it and I think I read

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somewhere it was two hundred and ninety
three points scored. The difference was one

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point between the two teams. That
to me is you talk about balance,

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you talk about competitiveness. That's how
close it was, and they did it.

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Now, remember Philadelphia earlier this year
was one of the better teams in

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all of basketball. And then Joel
Embiid gets hurt. And then that makes

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me wonder this. We always say
you got to have three stars. I

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shouldn't say we always say, but
a lot of people will say, you've

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got to have three superstars. I've
kind of fallen into that trap. I

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don't know who the three superstars are
for Philadelphia. Joel Embiid, there's no

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doubt as one of them, his
former MVP for Grant Outloud. How do

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they have so much success without those
quote unquote three superstars? Maybe you still

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have to have that one big guy
and a few others. How does Indiana

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get through Round one without three superstars? Well, they were able to do

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it. It leaves me a little
bit a little bit of hope. Remember

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we talked with James Edwards yesterday and
we'll replay that conversation at the bottom of

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the hour. They feel like they've
got a star in Kate Cunningham. Maybe

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some of these young guys have that
potential and just need to find it and

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are learning to become that. I
don't believe that's necessary the case right now,

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but maybe it's the possibility of turning
things around a little bit quicker than

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you might have thought. I'm not
saying next year, don't get me wrong.

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I'm just telling you that when I
see some of these teams play,

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they have good players throughout. They
have really good players throughout on their teams,

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and maybe it doesn't win him a
championship. So you're if that's what

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you're saying right now, you're probably
right here. You're probably going Hold on

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a second, man, I mean
you're not going to be Boston. You're

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not beating Denver. No, you're
probably right. Is Pascal Siakam a superstar?

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No, he's not. Is Miles
Turner no? Is Tyre's Halburn is

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really good? Good balance. Right, They've just got some depth on Indiana.

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I don't think it's enough to beat
New York, but I didn't think

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they could beat Milwaukee. Who knows
who is when you look at New York,

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I mean they've won. They've done
a really nice job the Knicks have

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of taking care of business without one
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it. No, I'm not talking
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I'm talking about Julius Randall. Oh
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a player. Jalen Brunson is probably
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a star. Josh Hart isn't necessarily
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isn't. But it works. They're
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they're coached well. Top of the
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the NBA, I used to believe
you had to have for the most part,

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not every single draft, but for
the most part, a top five,

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top eight pick. Those are your
impact players. In watching a lot

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of games this year, and I
never really had a chance. Haven't had

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a chance to do this in the
past five six years because of on Tiger's

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baseball. You're so wrapped up in
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Are watching the NBA and the NHL
playoffs. This year, have had

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a chance to really dive into watching
a lot of NBA and I notice that

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so many of these quality, high
end players that we're watching right now,

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especially in the playoffs, were not
top eight picks, like a two time

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MVP. If you're a two time
everybody knows Nikola Jokic is one of the

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best players in the world, so
saying that it's a bit of a surprise

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would be a stunner to most.
I mean, he's a superstar, but

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a guy who help lead the Nuggets
to their first ever World championship. Let

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him in points and rebounds and assists
in the first five opening games of the

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series against the Lakers. He was
drafted in the second round. He's a

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forty first overall pick, in twenty
fourteen. Jalen Brunson. Look what he

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did last night. Scored forty one
and grabbed twelve and had twelve assists.

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He's name it an All Star for
the first time this year, set a

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Knicks playoff record with forty seven points
in Game four against the Sixers. They

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don't they don't not the two seed
without Jalen Brunson, Right, would you

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agree with that? I hope.
So it's a second round pick thirty third

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overall in twenty eighteen. Are they
outliers? Are they the exception to the

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rule? We're seeing more and more
of it. Tyrese Maxey, he tied

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Michael Jordan for most points scored by
visiting player of Madison Square Garden when he

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torched the next for forty six.
Twenty players were picked ahead of him on

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draft night in twenty twenty. And
we're talking about a guy who joined allan

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iverson Joel Embiid, Will Chamberlain and
Hal Greer and Dana Barrows former Piston as

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the only six Ers player to score
fifty points, grab five rebounds or more,

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and dish out five assists or more
in a single game. You're in

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the same conversation with Allen Iverson,
Joelle and bid Wilt Chamberlain, how Greer,

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that's pretty damn good. No offense
to Dana Barrows. Have you watched

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the Boston series at all? Derek
White, Now, he's not an All

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Star, He's not named to the
All NBA First team or a second team.

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He has been on the All Defensive
Team. Averages fifteen points per game,

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shoots close to forty percent from three, gives a twenty ninth overall pick

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in the twenty seventeen draft. These
guys have forced me to change my view

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a little bit that you can get
quality later on, but it also reinforces

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how important it truly is to have
the right scouts and the right people making

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those moves. Reinforces it. See, I get caught up, and I'm

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sure a lot of other people do
because the media. What does the media

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do? They promote Lebron, James
Gianna, Sante to Campo, Kevin Durant.

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You know, I get it,
Devin Booker for good reason. Okay,

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I think it's been refreshing to see
some of these teams. I'm rooting

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for some of these teams. I
like Jaylen Brown from Boston, but he

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was the third overall, pick I
think I like some of the guys who

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are coming out of nowhere, if
you will. I like Donovan Mitchell a

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lot. I think he's a really
good player. But the guys who are

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kind of under the radar, the
guys who were are now stars, and

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I think that's fair to say.
And a lot of these guys are just

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mentioned for for sure, as jokis, for sure, Brunson, maybe Maxie

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a little bit later on. Probably
not Derek White, but maybe he to

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a certain extent. He gets lost
in the shuffle of Tatum and Brown and

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porzingis not Horford because he's been around
a long time and I wouldn't call him

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a star any longer, but he
used to be bigger names. How's that

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cool? Okay? They get lost
in that, So maybe they are are

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more than just what like, especially
him, maybe he's more than what he's

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showing right now. But he's perfect
for them, for the Celtics. See

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people when those guys were drafted.
I'll bet you most people, if they

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even were paying attention to them getting
drafted, guaranteed the people when Jokic was

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drafted, there, who the hell
is this guy? It's not like he

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got a lot of pub coming out
like Luka Doncic did, right, So

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a lot of people are probably going, who the hell is this guy?

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And understandably so maybe they think,
ah, he's a long shot to make

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the team, or he'll be a
role player at best. How's that you've

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heard the phrase you can do anything
you set your mind to. I mean

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maybe you did that or use that
as a as a parent or heard it

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as a kid, right, Or
you've heard the expression diamond in the rough.

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Maybe that's what these guys are.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it,

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but I like it. I like
to see more of it, and

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I'm hoping and there's could be some
selfishness here on my part that the Pistons

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eventually are able to do something like
that. But when you see some of

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these guys performing at this level,
and it could be system. There's a

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lot of things. Look at Pascal
Siakam, He's an NBA champion, He's

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a two time All NBA performer.
Toronto drafted him in twenty sixteen with the

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twenty seventh overall pick. That was
the Ben Simmons draft. Jaylen Brown was

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in that same draft. You know
who is taken ahead of him. A

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lot of guys you've never heard of, guys who haven't been played. You've

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heard of this guy, But Denzel
Valentine was taken ahead of him. Who

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the hell's Wade Baldwin Pistons took Henry
Ellenson exactly. You're going wait a minute,

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Yes, that's true. There guys
taking you have never stepped down the

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NBA hardwood. But Pascal Siakam at
twenty seven overall is one of the best

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players on an Indiana team that just
upset Milwaukee and can be a scary team

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to face, and is one of
the best offensive minded teams in the entire

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league. It's pretty cool stuff,
I think, just something I was thinking

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I do want to get into the
cost of hiring coaches here in a moment.

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But first, Ben, yeah,
we got from a text standpoint,

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says if this team wants to build
around cad and I don't understand why I

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would trade Duran and Ivy for a
star in Morant. Ivy is okay,

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and Duran really is a nicer Drummond. Of course, his size can get

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dunks and thirteen rebrounds. Trant is
a star. Also draft the Connecticut center

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to trio with Moran and Kid start
there. What makes you think that Memphis

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would give up their star for duram
an Ivy. That's the first thing that

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comes to mind when you make up
trade scenarios. There's a lot of things

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that have to happen. Contract equivalency
has to happen, okay, because there

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is a salary cap and you have
to be realistic. The Memphis Grizzlies spent

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the second overall pick in the twenty
nineteen draft on j Morant. He's really

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good. Does he come with some
baggage? Damn right, he does,

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but he's really good. Bridge twenty
two and a half points per game in

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his career, seven and a half
assists per game in his career, Can

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knock down the three. He's averaged
twenty seven, twenty six, and twenty

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five in each of the last three
seasons injuried problems. But you know,

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I want you to put yourself in
the situation of the Memphis general manager,

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and you have Jaron Jackson, Marcus
Smart, Luke Canard, Desmond Baine,

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a couple of expistons, and j
Moran, and you sit at a press

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conference in your home arena. Camera's
rolling, cameras clicking, reporters ready to

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ask, and you announced we've traded
Jay Morant, like it or not,

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the face of your franchise for Jalen
Duran and Jade and Ivy. I want

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you to think about that for a
second and then ask yourself, would you

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do that? See I like Jalen
Duran, I do. I don't look

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at him as an Andre Drumming type
player. I think we get caught up

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saying, oh, he's Andre Drummond
because they're both centers and they both played

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for the Pistons. I think Jalen
Duran is I don't know if he'll ever

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be as good a scorer inside as
Andre Drummond or rebounder, but I think

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he's a very good young piece to
this puzzle. It's not that I have

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anything against Jade and Ivy, but
if somebody came to me with a package

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I felt was very enticing and he
had to be part of it. Sure,

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Look, they just set the record
for fewest wins in franchise history.

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There there's nobody on this team where
you go, I've got to keep this

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guy except for perhaps Kate Cunningham,
and for me, it would be Jalen

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during everybody else. I'm open to
trading. That would be my opinion.

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And let's just remind people that is
not always a negative thing. When you're

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willing to trade somebody, that means
you're a quantity or some type of peace

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that you find value in. You
can look at it as discarding a person,

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but I look at it like,
hey, you know what, I

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need something else I have to give
up something pretty damn good in order to

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get it. I'd rather keep Jalen
during the Isaiah Stewart my opinion, But

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you would love to have that.
Sure Memphis isn't doing that. You've got

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to have a willing partner to trade. To me, that would make no

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sense none. If you're the Memphis
Grizzlies. Now, I love the fact

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that you're looking at it from a
hometown aspect. Good for you. That's

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you know, that's that's definitely helping
the Pistons for sure. Here's my second

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question, what is it you don't
believe in regarding KD. Cunningham? Why

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is that he's Here's the I think
part of the problem with Cad Cunningham.

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He is dangerously because he was one
to one in twenty twenty one. He

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is dangerously dangerously close to being just
labeled as a good player on a crappy

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team and all the experienced losing you've
seen with him, he's been I mean,

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I think he's for the most part, he's been pretty healthy. I

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mean, what did he play sixty
two games this year? Ben sixty two

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out of eighty two. He could
have played more. He wasn't drastically hurt

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down the stretch. The team's just
not playing him, and we're gonna play

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him. What was the point of
that? You know? So they just

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felt like, forget it, We're
gonna just put him in street close.

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He played sixty four as a freshman
or as a first year player, right,

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Okay, so he had the one
injury riddled season, and that was

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season two. We only played twelve
games. Because this franchise has experienced so

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much losing and it can be so
frustrating, frustrating for both of us or

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all of us. He's the face
of it, and I think that's what

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people are looking at it. I'm
not buying in. Why not because this

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is what they've done with him.
What is the when you watch him play

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or when you look at his seasons
there's been three of them. What do

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you determine Do you think he's I
mean, be honest with yourself. Do

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you think he's an All Star caliber
player? I would say yes. Is

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he going to be a quote unquote
great player? That's a definition that varies.

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I think we use that word way
too often. Who are the great

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players in the league right now?
And measure him against which you think are

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great players at the same position?
If you can't, do you look at

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him as a point guard? Do
you look at him as a shooting guard?

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How do you see Cad Cuttingham?
And I also would ask, if

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you're a fan or if you're a
general manager of another team, would you

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want him on your team? So
let's call him you want to call him

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a point guard. Is he better
than Jalen Brunson, Deer and Fox Steph

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Curry? If he's a shooting guard, is he as good as Devin Booker,

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Anthony Edwards. The answer to that
is no, to all of those.

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But he's viewed as a point guard, and I think he's I think

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he's a very good point guard who
could get better. You got to keep

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somebody. You got to have somebody
to help steer your ship, otherwise you're

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chasing. I think he can make
other players around him better, and I

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think he's going to get better.
But he needs help, and it's not

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just young help. Got to take
a quick time out. On the other

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Forty five after the hour on Exosypros,

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I'm Matt Shepherd Ben as our producer. Give him a shot on the

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Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three
eight forty forty three. What I'm about

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to share with you is is it's
borderline depressing. Kirby Smart's a really good

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football coach. You know it and
I know it and went back. He

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and the Bulldogs won back to back
titles in twenty one and twenty two.

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The SEC is the hardest conference in
America annually, and yet he guided his

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team to an SEC record twenty nine
consecutive wins, ended up losing in the

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SEC title game a year ago to
Alabama. Kirby Smart had a contract that

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paid him ten point seven million dollars
a year. That's a handsome price.

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Yes, absolutely, Georgia. You
can call it a commitment to athletics,

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00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:06.800
called a commitment to Kirby Smart a
reward for a job well done, although

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he was getting rewarded with ten point
seven five million dollars, but the Georgia

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00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:20.280
administration decided to tear that up and
give him a new ten year, one

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00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:28.000
hundred and thirty million dollar deal that
was approved by officials yesterday. He's the

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00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.880
highest paid football coach in the country. He's the first thirteen million dollar coach.

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Debo Sweeney makes eleven and a half
million at Clemson. Lincoln Riley at

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00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:52.199
usc makes eleven. Caitlin de Boor
went from Washington, Alabama a big reason

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00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:58.880
he makes ten point eight seven five
million dollars. Steve Sarkesian at Texas ten

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00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.760
point six million dollar, Mike Norvel
at Florida State ten point five million dollars.

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It's a lot of flipping money.
Put it in perspective. First of

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00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:16.599
all, do you guys know who
Vince Dooley is? Vince Dooley was a

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highly acclaimed coach at Georgia. Head
coach at Georgia a long time ago.

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00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:36.960
He made fifteen thousand dollars his first
year, his first contract at Georgia,

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00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:44.440
he was paid fifteen thousand dollars.
He won a national championship. He had

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herschel Walker, he had Mike Bobo. Oh never mind, but he had

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some really good players there. Fifteen
thousand dollars. According to him, that

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was back in the sixties, a
long time ago. But has it really

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gone up that much? From fifteen
thousand dollars to thirteen million per year?

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More perspective for you, Smart would
be the fourth highest paid NFL coach if

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he were out there. It's lucrative
to be in college athletics. Andy Reid

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00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:36.840
this year is going to make more
than eighteen million. Sean Payton in Denver

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00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:42.360
this year is going to make eighteen
million. Sean McVay of the Rams this

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00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:50.440
year is going to make fourteen million
dollars. Mike Tomlin with the Steelers this

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00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.800
year is expecting to make twelve and
a half million dollars. John Harbaugh this

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season for the Baltimore Ravens will make
twelve million dollars. Kirby Smart is getting

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more than John Harbaugh. He's getting
more than Mike Tomlin. He is also

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making more than a guy like Bruce
Bochie just won a World Series in Texas.

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Dave Roberts with the Dodgers LA's worth. The Dodgers are worth are reported

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three point six billion dollars and they
paid their manager half, not even half

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00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:43.320
of what the University of Georgia is
paying their head football coach. We got

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done talking about the NBA a little
bit ago, somebody brought up Kate Cunningham.

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00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:59.639
Pistons Monney Williams makes thirteen mil,
same as Kirby Smart and money.

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00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:06.639
Williams a fourth highest paid NBA coach. Peter Lavely Elett led the Rangers to

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00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.360
a President's Trophy most points in the
league. He makes five million dollars.

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00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.320
Yeah, guys. In college basketball, John Calipari bill self, Bill self

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makes nine million blocks. Folks,
it's all public. I'm not sharing anything

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with you that you can't look up
yourself. College athletics. We all know

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00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.719
it's big business, but it's stories
like this. And look, if I'm

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Kirby Smart, I take it too. You're kidding me. Not begrudging him

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by any stretch. But you wonder
why fans, first of all, why

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there's so much pressure and why there
is so much expectations. Hey, man,

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athletes got to deal with it.
Two, an athlete is make it

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as much money as they are.
We talked about this the other day.

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When they make it as much money
as they are, there are expectations you

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as a fan are paying good,
hard earned money. It's a lot of

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00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:13.719
freaking money to go to a game
these days. You're driving around Rockford right

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00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:15.760
now, you're thinking, you know
what, I'm gonna save up some money.

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00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.719
I'm gonna go down to the ballpark, or I'm gonna go to a

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00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.719
stadium, and I'm gonna say,
you know what, I want to go

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00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.599
watch this team play. You're driving
around in Flint. You're going, I'm

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00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.440
gonna save up what I can.
I'm gonna go watch the Lions one weekend.

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00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.360
It's gonna cost you the I mean, it's almost like a vacation.

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00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:39.079
It's like a weekend getaway for crying
out loud. Really super expensive. So

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00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:44.480
when fans get pissed off, I
get it. I think sometimes we can

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00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:49.000
all be a little unrealistic. But
when you have your hard earned money and

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things are getting more and more expensive
these days with inflation, and you want

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to go down. You want to
be entertained. You want to see a

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00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:59.239
win. You expect something out of
a guy because he makes as much money

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00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:06.039
as he does. You have every
right to expect that. And when Kirby

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00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.639
Smart doesn't do what he's supposed to
do win a national championship. When you

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make thirteen million dollars, fans are
livid down in Athens. I get it.

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It comes with the territory. I
get why Kentucky was upset at John

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00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.039
Calipari. I get why Kansas is
upset at Bill's self. And they'll tell

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you, well, you can't win
every single year. No you can't,

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But you know what, you make
nine million dollars, Bill, You make

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more than anybody else coaching college basketball. So when Kansas doesn't win the Big

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Twelve, when they don't reach the
Final Four, people are going to be

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00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:43.400
ticked off, and they should be
ticked off because that's more than anybody else

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00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:52.400
makes. You're sending your kids to
school. I got a buddy, his

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00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:54.840
daughter goes to Georgia. Now there's
a little different situation there in Georgia.

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I mean, if you get a
certain grade point average, you get a

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00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.000
lot of help. Some places at
almost free to go to school there.

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That's just the way it is there. They make George's chuck full of money.

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I guess maybe it doesn't bother him
as much as would bother me,

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but thirteen million dollars to coach college
football huge business. Fans get upset,

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and then you wonder why so many
advocate for players to get paid. When

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a man makes thirteen million dollars coaching
college kids, and those college kids have

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to do what go to school at
the same time balance all the other things

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that go on in a teenager,
in a young twenty year old's life,

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you can understand it. I don't
necessarily agree with paying them per se,

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but it's hard to argue against it
when a guy's making that kind of coin

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Meyer Hotline eight sixty six eight three
eight forty eight forty three. Ben,

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Who do we got with us?
Yeah, we got David Hudsonville. Hi,

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00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.440
Dave, how are you this morning? A good morning, chef.

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00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.480
Yes, this is a great topic, and I'll tell you. I'll tell

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00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.039
you what even here's a frame of
reference when it comes to our state.

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I grew up in the middle of
our state, where a lot of my

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buddies when I graduated from high school, it could go to Flint or Lansing

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00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:21.440
or Saganaw and work in the auto
industry and they'd make a good living,

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00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:23.239
you know, quality life. Man. They had a brand new vehicle every

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00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.840
year, they had a cottage up
north. They could take their family on

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00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:29.960
our trip to Florida. You know, and that was the backbone of Michigan

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00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:34.159
when Flint was thriving, when Saganaw
was thriving Detroit. And now you look

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00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.000
at what's happened over time those jobs. And my father worked in that industry

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00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:42.559
for sixty some years, you know, as a supplier to the auto industry.

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But all of a sudden, what
happens with that is the jobs went

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south, and then the jobs went
to Mexico, and then the jobs went

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00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.599
overseas, and you can look at
the plight of Michigan over that time,

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you know, and so forth.
And it's also but look at CEO pay

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00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.800
and look at the differences that have
had happened in that compared to the worker.

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And then all of a sudden,
look at what we do now with

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athletics and some of this stuff,
you know, I mean, it's amazing

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00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:12.920
what people get paid for for what
they adore and these salaries that go crazy,

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00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:14.880
and then all of a sudden,
is it a good thing? You

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00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.639
know? I mean if you look
even at other universities, you know,

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00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:22.360
has what tom Izzo gets paid helped
Robin Freelick, you know, in women's

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00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.840
basketball. But then if you look
across the board at other sports. They're

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00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:29.960
getting paid a pittance, you know
what I mean, because it's not ours

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and it's not what people tend to
care about. So I think it's also

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a societal issue, and I think
it's something that probably frustrates a lot of

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00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:42.239
people in the sense that, you
know, it's hard as jobs change and

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00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:46.280
as the industries change. But boys
ceo pay even when CEOs do a terrible

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00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:51.760
job, and they still get a
golden parachute to leave, or coaches or

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00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:57.320
other people. That's frustrating. Man. Amen, It's going to cost.

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Look, I have a daughter who
goes to Michigan State. We'll just use

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that since you brought that up,
right, I mean tuition. I'm not

602
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:10.320
saying it's you know, necessarily wrong
for Michigan State to do what they what

603
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:14.159
they do, all right. I'm
not going to complain about how much time

604
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:16.840
is O makes or how much Jonathan
Smith makes or anything like that. But

605
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:21.440
I do know this. I mean, it gets it gets costly to send

606
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:25.920
these kids to college. And if
you're fortunately, yeah, go ahead.

607
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:30.360
I just finished twelve straight years of
tuition there, yeah, you know,

608
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.639
so you can relate. So yeah. And and the other thing, though,

609
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:37.719
too, is Michigan and Michigan State
right now are letting in more in

610
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:43.960
state students because you know society right
now, kids are getting married later and

611
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:45.800
you have kids in that age,
right and so do I. They're having

612
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:52.239
less kids. There are less potential
college students, you know, and so

613
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.159
all of a sudden, what happens
now the battle for these college students.

614
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:58.440
Alabama, let's any student, you
know, they admit you from out of

615
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.000
state with a four point for free, just like what you said about Georgia.

616
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:05.599
But you're gonna see universities and small
colleges go out of business. And

617
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:09.440
you're seeing that because the cost of
college is too exorbitant, the debt,

618
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.000
you know, for a lot of
people, and what goes on you you

619
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.679
nailed it, man. Yeah,
look at how long it takes and thanks

620
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:17.480
to the phone call, have a
great weekend. Look at how long it

621
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:22.480
takes for someone to pay off those
student loans. If you need student loans,

622
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:29.159
Michigan State University will just use that
as an example. What is it

623
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:32.519
twenty two thousand a year, which
doesn't seem too bad, you know,

624
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:40.280
if you're talking about tuitions and fees
and you've got that includes room and board,

625
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:45.000
to a certain extent. My daughter
lived off campus. She'll live off

626
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:51.559
campus again next year. Eventually it
catches up to you. It takes kids

627
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.199
years. How much was it when
you and I went to college? Not

628
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:57.920
to sound like old guy, it
sure as hell wasn't that. It took

629
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:00.079
me a long time to pay off
my student loans. I had to pay

630
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.480
for my own college. It's a
good learning lesson What are you getting out

631
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.599
of it? This is a bigger
picture type situation. But the reason why

632
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:14.719
are there? It comes back to
this, why Why is the cost of

633
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:21.239
going to college continually going up?
But when those kids, a lot of

634
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:27.199
those kids leave college, they're getting
jobs that don't come close to helping them

635
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.880
pay that off. Why is that
not a bigger issue for people today.

636
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:37.400
I've said this for a long time. I've said we've got our priorities kind

637
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:44.119
of out of whack. I love
the system that we have in the sense

638
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:46.159
that, you know, you can
make a lot of money doing different things.

639
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:52.599
Be an entrepreneur. Okay, my
son's got a friend he makes money

640
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:58.920
off streaming. How I have no
idea. I mean, who wants to

641
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.400
spend their night watching somebody else play
a video game? Is beyond me.

642
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:06.039
Okay, but hey whatever, Okay, if you can make a living doing

643
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.159
it and you're happy doing it,
and you think it's a long term plan,

644
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:13.159
God love you. Okay, go, I'm not judging here. I'm

645
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:16.880
just surprised at these kids leave college. I mean, they're making jobs,

646
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.880
they're getting jobs, but they're they're
not high paying jobs, not enough for

647
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.400
them to leave the nest, and
not enough for them to pay off those

648
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:36.639
college tuition bills, you know,
unless parents have planned. Fortunately, we've

649
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:40.280
planned at times for our kids.
But you know, like he just said,

650
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:45.639
it's got four kids, four kids
going to Michigan State. Do the

651
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:54.920
math. Twenty thousand dollars plus for
four years. If you're lucky, eighty

652
01:01:55.039 --> 01:02:05.679
grand times four. Good luck retiring
anytime soon. If you're helping your child,

653
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:08.400
which we would all like to do, right, especially if we paid

654
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:14.920
for our own that's the ultimate goal. Where's the money? Why is it

655
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.239
rising? Why the cost going up? The costs are going up for kids

656
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:23.800
to go to school, but the
payoff isn't going up. Why does some

657
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:32.199
of it have to do with coaches
salaries, professor salaries, whatever. Somebody's

658
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:38.760
paying that. Bill Man Kirby Smart
making thirteen million dollars at the University of

659
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:47.559
Georgia is not coming out of one
man's pocket, the chancellor, the president,

660
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:52.559
the athletic director. No, it's
their fund. Where's that fund come

661
01:02:52.639 --> 01:03:00.320
from. It comes from the university. It comes from taken say, and

662
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:05.400
then some but eventually at least some
of it. I'm not saying all of

663
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:08.800
it. Some of it is being
paid off by those whose kids go to

664
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:19.400
college. Right. Absolutely, Again, you get what you can. If

665
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.679
you're a college coach and your administrator
is willing to pay you that kind of

666
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:25.960
money, you're not going to go
and I don't think it's a good idea.

667
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.280
I'll keep the ten point seventy five. I want you to take that

668
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:31.199
three million. I want you to
put it toward the students and lower their

669
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:35.039
tuition and so on. So no, okay, people just aren't doing that.

670
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:38.800
But there is a responsibility at some
point, isn't there. And maybe

671
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:43.840
we just don't see it, maybe
we just don't care. That could be

672
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:49.800
the possibility too. What I care
about is in part, my golf game.

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For as long as he's done, it

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like a dog. We don't need
a bunch of cats in here looking in

728
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the mirror. I look good.
I got my extra bands on, I

729
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got my other shoes. Be a
doll. We don't need no mouns.

730
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:42.600
We don't need no cats. We
need more dolls. Why you're not at

731
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:46.239
the time, Oh you're not at
the time. We weren't good. There's

732
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:48.600
no sense of asking me things about
the game. I'm telling you. We

733
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:51.199
laid an egg. So I'm not
gonna break it down for you. He

734
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:57.039
sucks. He sucked. He laid
an egg. That's all I have to

735
01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:59.279
say. Guys, I'm sorry.
I'm not gonna break it down for you.

736
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:01.560
Nothing went well for us. It's
on us. We have to figure

737
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:12.880
it out and we will. Dad. You know that first clip from Jim

738
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:20.159
Callahan, you Yukon head coach.
People were asking about his salary. He

739
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:29.399
had no problem accepting it, nor
should he because of the amount of money

740
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:32.399
that he brought into the school.
Kirby Smart, this goes back to what

741
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:34.840
we were just talking about. Kirby
Smart brings in a lot of money.

742
01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:40.079
University of Georgia makes a lot of
money. He should bring in a lot

743
01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:49.439
of money to the school. He
should because of the stuff that he gets

744
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:53.560
paid. I mean, you're talking
about thirteen million dollars. It's crazy.

745
01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:57.479
Welcome back. Final hour of the
program, Exes and Bros. Throughout the

746
01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:02.039
Great State of Michigan on the Michigan
Sports Network. We're on throughout the state,

747
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:06.479
different places in Flint and Cadillac,
where in Grand Rapids, We're in

748
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Grayling and Gaylord, Midland, Saginaw, Bay City, Potoski Charlevoy Traverse City

749
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:16.520
as well. If you missed it. Last night, Bruins lose in Toronto

750
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:19.720
two one. William Nilander had both
goals for the Maple Leafs. It was

751
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:24.960
a hell of a game, so
they force a game. Seven. Indiana

752
01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:28.680
blows out in Milwaukee on the hardwood
one twenty to ninety eight. The Bucks

753
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:35.479
are out. Indiana will play New
York because the Knicks beat the Sixers in

754
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:42.600
Philadelphia one eighteen to one fifteen.
Jalen Brunson had forty one points in twelve

755
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:45.920
assists. We talked about that a
little bit earlier. Some of the lesser

756
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:51.319
known people in the NBA or where
they were drafted and things of that nature.

757
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:56.439
Some of the lesser known people who
are becoming bigger names, and Brunson

758
01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.119
is one of them. A former
second round pickers. Are in New York

759
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:05.840
for a weekend series against the Yankees. Starting tonight. It will be Resulson

760
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:11.560
against Marcus Stroman. Stroman coming off
his shortest start of the season, just

761
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:16.199
four innings. The Yankees lost to
Baltimore yesterday seven to two. We go

762
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:19.880
to the phone lines and the Meyer
hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty

763
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:23.520
eight forty three, Freddie has been
standing by. Good morning, Freddy,

764
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:29.039
how are you, Bud? Good
morning chef. You you might have touched

765
01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:30.880
on my my point. I was
going to make a different angle on it.

766
01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:35.800
But first of all, I will
tell you I I agree with the

767
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:42.039
money in sports is is ridiculous.
It's not just college football, obviously,

768
01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:46.439
it's it's every sport. It bothers
me more in college because college was,

769
01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:49.720
you know, an old guy like
me, it was just so pure and

770
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:57.159
fun to watch and it just seemed
like, uh he watched the games they

771
01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:00.840
were they were. I mean,
maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right,

772
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.920
but it just seemed like the players
play for for the game and it was

773
01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:10.800
more than it was. It was
about winning. And it's just it's different

774
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:15.520
now and the money has ruined a
lot of it. So I so I'm

775
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.359
with you on that. I I
mean, I got a fourteen year old

776
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.760
I see it with I mean,
my wife hides hides how much she spends

777
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:27.960
on travel volleyball, you know,
because she knows, uh, you know,

778
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:30.159
how furious. And then and then
we got to center her the Grand

779
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.159
Rapids too to play a game.
And we're playing in Northville, Why do

780
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:35.920
we have to go to Grand Rapids? I mean, why why are we

781
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:41.319
making parents spend all this money?
Why can't we you know, stuff like

782
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:45.199
that. Look, I mean those
are those are slightly different things, and

783
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.079
I can relate, and I I
think it's great. I do. I

784
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:53.039
think it's awesome that your daughter's in
travel volleyball. It can be really expensive,

785
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.560
because I've got friends who had the
same thing. My kids were in

786
01:12:55.600 --> 01:13:00.359
travel hockey and travel lacrosse and travel
baseball, So I get it. It's

787
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.840
a commitment by parents because you want
the best for your kid at the time

788
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:08.119
of their lives. Give them the
opportunity to experience things that maybe you never

789
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:14.600
did, or give them the opportunity
to play athletes who are as good,

790
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:17.680
if not better than they are,
test them against the ultimate competition. Nothing

791
01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:21.880
wrong with that. I think it's
great. I think it's slightly different at

792
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:26.199
the collegiate level. You know.
My question to you, and it would

793
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:30.800
be to myself too, why are
you doing it? Then? What's the

794
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:34.680
payoff? Why don't you just have
to play quote unquote house then? And

795
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:39.439
here's the reason, at least it
was for me. I think, first

796
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:42.880
of all, I think travel sports
in general are watered down. I'm not

797
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.840
saying volleyball or your your daughter's volleyball
team. I'm saying in general, I

798
01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:50.279
can't tell you how many people are
running. My kid plays travel baseball.

799
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:54.560
He's eight years old, for crying
out loud, Okay, when I was

800
01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:57.359
eight, we were playing T ball. Maybe that's wheth Some of the fundamentals

801
01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:00.680
are lost. But the reason you
do it is because you want your kid

802
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:04.640
to participate and play against the very
best, and you want them to be

803
01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:11.439
able to measure themselves. And that's
a good thing. I think. Yeah,

804
01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:15.359
I my thing is to travel for
the parents. I guess that's what

805
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:17.439
it is. It just it just
puts a stream. What else you're gonna

806
01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:20.720
do? What else you're gonna do? Okay, you you've had your time

807
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:25.279
as a kid and a young man, not that you're old, but what

808
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.920
what's wrong with going on? What? Watch your kid play in Grand Rapids.

809
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:31.960
That's fantastic, great city, And
what else are you going to do?

810
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:35.159
I don't get I don't I don't
get to go though the wife gets

811
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:39.039
to go with. Okay, Well, what are you gonna do? Okay?

812
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:42.479
What I mean? What else you
gonna spend your money on spend your

813
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:45.159
money on your kids. Well,
well I do, but I tell you,

814
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.520
but I'll tell you. I'll tell
you a funny story shop. You

815
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:50.800
know, because I've been listening to
you for so long, over ten years,

816
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.800
you usually tell this story all the
time. One of your favorite things

817
01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:57.600
while sitting in practice and watching your
kids. Do you realize that's one of

818
01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.880
my favorite things to do. My
eight year old when she goes and plays

819
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:04.159
volleyball at the church, I'm like
the only parent there now, sitting on

820
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:09.479
my phone. I'm sitting there watching
my daughter practice, and nothing brings me

821
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:14.439
more joy than watching my eight year
old. Well she's ten now, but

822
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:17.680
watching my eight year old learn how
to play volleyball and this year for ustrations,

823
01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:23.520
Yeah yeah, I absolutely nothing.
I mean, I can have the

824
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:28.079
worst day at work and I generally
don't do the works usually good for me.

825
01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:30.479
But when I go see my ten
year old now, but when she

826
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:34.279
was a incredible I never I never
experienced anything like that in my life.

827
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:40.000
It's the best best day of your
life. It makes up for a really

828
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:44.359
tough week and all everything goes.
It's good for you. I knew you

829
01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:45.680
were a good dad. I'm glad
you did that thanks to the phone call.

830
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I have a great weekend. That's
what it's about. Man. There's

831
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:54.319
I drive by the other day.
My wife and I were going for a

832
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.920
walk with our dogs in the neighborhood
and I heard you could hear a Little

833
01:15:57.960 --> 01:16:00.560
league baseball game going on, and
I said, we should go over there.

834
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:06.159
Let's go watch those kids play.
I miss that part. There's some

835
01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:11.159
really good songs where you've heard the
phrase you know you don't know what you

836
01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:14.720
got till it's gone. You're gonna
miss this, absolutely, you'll miss it.

837
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:20.439
There's nothing like going to watch your
child play. What pisses me off

838
01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:28.000
as much as anything in life,
is going to something like that and watching

839
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:36.720
parents self indulge rather than give their
time to their child. Parents who are

840
01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:41.520
up in the stands on their phone, because that's more important to follow social

841
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:45.439
media than it is to watch your
child participate in an event. Parents in

842
01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:50.600
the stands reading the newspaper, reading
a book. Think of that for a

843
01:16:50.680 --> 01:17:00.039
minute, you got an hour.
You can't give a kid an hour because

844
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:03.039
they notice it. Don't kid yourself. They notice it. They know what's

845
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:09.920
going on. I miss those days
more than anything. And if you're going

846
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:14.119
to get your child involved in travel
athletics, and I encourage you to do

847
01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:18.880
so. And I would encourage you
to go outside the state. My son

848
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:29.239
missed, he missed trips, family
trips to play travel lacrosse in Maryland and

849
01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:34.640
places out east. It's what he
wanted. He wanted to measure himself against

850
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the best, and then he was
fortunate enough to play in college. I

851
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loved it. I encouraged it.
If that's what you want, do it.

852
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getting better each day in the outfield, and oh yeah, he can hit

867
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a little bit. Parah's hit his
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868
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Kansas City Royals, and then the
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869
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the Cardinals a couple of days later, with a home run from each side.

870
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882
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because I was saying, you know, if you're a if you're a parent,

883
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what else you get to do if
you'd give a kid an hour if

884
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:23.520
you're at a practice or something like
that. And I had mentioned my son,

885
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:28.439
one of my sons had gone to
it, missed a family trip to

886
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:35.319
kate Cod because he'd rather have gone
to a couple of his travel across team

887
01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:41.720
tournaments out east, uh to measure
themselves against some of the best who play

888
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:47.720
the sport, some massive tournaments that
saw college coaches come from all over the

889
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:56.039
country. We did go to some
of the tournament, but you know,

890
01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:59.680
we're still as a family. You're
gonna you're gonna take your family vacation.

891
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:02.039
It was just a choice of his. We didn't necessarily say, hey,

892
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:06.680
listen, you've got to do one
or the other. He chose to do

893
01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:11.439
it and it did pay off for
him, but we were used to that.

894
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:16.479
I do believe, and again this
is not on any one particular sport

895
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:23.079
or age group or area, but
I do believe we have watered down travel

896
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:28.800
athletics. I think you can find
a travel team in just about every city

897
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:34.680
in any state you live in.
And to me, travel everybody has different

898
01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:38.920
definitions, I suppose, But to
me, travel is a little bit more

899
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.079
than just going in the state of
Michigan, for example. I mean go

900
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:47.279
outside the state, go places.
My oldest boy played on a travel baseball

901
01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:53.560
team. There were people going to
Texas and Arizona and Colorado for tournaments.

902
01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:58.760
I'm like, wow, Freddie's right. The amount of money you could spend

903
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:05.880
is I think a guy once told
me, I want to make sure I

904
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:13.239
get the number right. I think
with sixteen thousand dollars he spent on some

905
01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:21.800
travel baseball for one summer, it's
over sixteen thousand dollars that's that's a hefty

906
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:30.600
sum. That's a really hefty sum. Speaking of travel, Jack Nicholas has

907
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:35.720
traveled all over the world as the
greatest golfer of all time. I believe

908
01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:40.640
he's the greatest golfer of all time. I suppose that's up for debate.

909
01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:45.600
Here's what we do know. Jack
Nicholas is the greatest champion. He's won

910
01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:50.439
more championships, more majors than anybody
else, eighteen and he has finished second

911
01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:58.239
more than anybody else. Whether it's
he or Tiger Woods is not what the

912
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:03.239
topic is about. But Jack Nicholas, who doesn't play golf really that much

913
01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:09.199
anymore because of injuries and his age
and so on and so forth. He's

914
01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:14.039
eighty four, all right. We
all know that. It wasn't long ago

915
01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:18.359
when the Masters concluded and Scottie Scheffler
won his second Green jacket in three years.

916
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:29.560
Well, according to reports, Jack
Nicholas stuck around Augusta to play the

917
01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:34.760
course three times. He did a
really nice job as a guest analyst on

918
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:42.800
Golf Network when they were asking him
about how would you play certain shots.

919
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:46.119
He knows that course so well,
it's amazing. He knows the course so

920
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:53.039
well. He was able to describe
just about every single shot you need,

921
01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:59.279
where you want to be on every
single hole. It's amazing, simply amazing.

922
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.319
And I watched him do an interview
on the Golf Channel for an extended

923
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:11.560
period of time. But he stuck
around Augusta to play, and he played

924
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:16.680
it three times, three times.
Now. This is he said this.

925
01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:21.960
He says, they don't have forward
teens at Augusta. It's hard for me

926
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:29.800
to play long courses. I can't
play sixty four hundred yards because on a

927
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:34.720
good day, I'm hitting the ball
one hundred and ninety yards. Now,

928
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:41.960
Scotty Scheffler won the tournament. Everybody
knows that his final score was eleven under

929
01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:45.439
par. He shot sixty six.
He shot seventy two seventy one sixty eight

930
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:53.399
parr is seventy two. The yardage
is seven thousand, five hundred and fifty

931
01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:59.920
five yards at Augusta. That's long. I don't know how many you got

932
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:05.680
out there. And you ladies out
there play golf. I love the sport,

933
01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:10.359
absolutely love it. I could play
it every day. I don't hit

934
01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:14.960
it very far. I played yesterday
with two of my sons, had an

935
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:21.359
absolute blast. I think the course
was maybe sixty five hundred yards. I

936
01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:26.640
played well on the front we played
for the Blues. Okay, I'm probably

937
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:30.319
better off playing from the whites.
We played for the Blues. I played

938
01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:32.439
really well on the front shot of
forty three. Feel pretty good about that,

939
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:38.079
right. My goal is to break
ninety. Get that done. I

940
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:45.439
feel good, okay. Jack Nicholas
is eighty four playing arguably the most prestigious

941
01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:54.920
golf course in the country, maybe
the world. At age eighty four,

942
01:25:55.680 --> 01:26:08.399
he shot an eighty eight, ninety
and a ninety one. Now, before

943
01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:13.239
you sit there and say, what's
so great about that, he hasn't played

944
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.159
that course since two thousand and five. Don't give me this honorary starter stuff.

945
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:18.840
All right, he hasn't played the
course since two thousand and five.

946
01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:24.279
I mean he's played in the par
three contest, so I guess, but

947
01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:30.960
he finished doing that in twenty twenty
two. So he hasn't played the course

948
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:35.960
since two thousand and five. He's
eighty four years old. And on top

949
01:26:36.039 --> 01:26:40.680
of that, think of this,
even at his eight how how many times

950
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:46.880
is he playing three rounds of eighteen
in as many days you and your buddies

951
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:54.000
go on golf trips in the summertime
you're playing, you know, maybe thirty

952
01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:59.319
six holes one day. Then you
have a rough Friday night. I'm speaking

953
01:26:59.359 --> 01:27:02.079
from experience here. You have a
rough Friday night, you wake up,

954
01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:06.600
you play eighteen the next day,
and then maybe you play eighteen on the

955
01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:14.000
getaway day unless you had another rough
night Saturday. And again speaking from some

956
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:24.159
experience, Yeah, it's it's really
hard. And yet at age eighty four,

957
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:30.680
he goes out there and puts together
a total three rounds of two sixty

958
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:40.560
nine. The worst score at Augusta
this past year, twenty twenty four,

959
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:44.960
there were a number of scores in
the eighties. The worst score came from

960
01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:53.920
Emiliano Grillo. He shot in eighty
three in round two. He's thirty one

961
01:27:54.039 --> 01:28:08.000
years old. Jack Nichol is fifty
three years older than Emiliano Grillo, and

962
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:13.800
Grillo beat him by five strokes on
his worst day and Jack Nicholas's best.

963
01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:20.600
That is a wide gap in age, but not in playing that course.

964
01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:30.880
Muscle memory to me, that's that's
a that's a muscle memory type situation.

965
01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:36.600
Amazing his body. I mean,
he just wouldn't you love to know if

966
01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:42.760
he has ever duffed one? Would
you love to know if he's ever topped

967
01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:49.640
one off the tee. There's no
way that could have happened recently. What

968
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get why more people don't gravitate in this

1005
01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:29.119
country. You don't gravitate towards the
sport of lacrosse. It has everything you

1006
01:32:29.239 --> 01:32:38.560
want. It has the toughness of
hockey. It has the high scoring more

1007
01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:43.239
than hockey. The high scoring if
you will of well, it's not one

1008
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.359
hundred and twelve points like in basketball. But I mean there's there's scoring.

1009
01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:48.520
There's a lot of scoring and a
lot of scoring chances. Sure as hell

1010
01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:54.920
isn't soccer, I'm telling you right
now. And then it has the physicality

1011
01:32:56.359 --> 01:33:00.560
of football, where guys are just
you should see the amount of I mean

1012
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:06.000
the stick wax on people's arms,
the checks, shoulder checks, the body

1013
01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:13.520
slams. You got to be a
tough hombree to play it. Hockey.

1014
01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:17.159
Same thing. Love football, love
hockey, love lacrosse. It's not that

1015
01:33:17.199 --> 01:33:20.079
I don't love the other sports,
because I do. I marvel at the

1016
01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:27.640
athleticism in basketball. I've always loved
baseball, but I've really grown an appreciation

1017
01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:30.520
and I've always loved football, played
it ever since i was a little kid,

1018
01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:34.039
but I've really grown for the appreciation
of hockey, lacrosse particularly anyway,

1019
01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:39.640
when you think of hockey, I
think a lot of people do think of

1020
01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:45.000
the toughness. Recently, an ESPN
program, The Pat McAfee Show, had

1021
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:53.199
Matthew could Chuck on he of the
Florida Panthers after the eliminated Tampa and he

1022
01:33:53.399 --> 01:34:00.399
said, the host said, this
guy's one of the toughest dudes Everlast year

1023
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:08.680
saw him literally with a broken sternum, a broken femur which I don't recall

1024
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:15.039
that, a broken hand, Yeah, beat up shoulders, fractured skull.

1025
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:18.520
Taped him up, went out on
the ice, pushed his way through and

1026
01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:30.760
played. Why is hockey so different
and why can they do that? Why

1027
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:44.039
do they feel it's necessary playing through
a fractured sternum? Remember what Nick Lidstrom

1028
01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:51.880
did back in two thousand and nine, what Mark Stone did this year from

1029
01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:58.960
Las Vegas. It's a different mindset, man, It's a different feel,

1030
01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:10.079
it's a different expectation, obligation.
Where does it stem from? Who knows?

1031
01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:15.359
Everybody's different, right, It's not
to say that other players and other

1032
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:20.039
sports aren't tough or as tough or
tougher or more dedicated, but there is

1033
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:27.279
something about being raised as a hockey
player. Now maybe things are changing a

1034
01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:30.600
little bit. I don't know,
because a friend of mine recently told me

1035
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:35.039
he was disgusted when he took his
little one into a rink and he saw

1036
01:35:35.119 --> 01:35:43.399
parents carrying their kids' bags. So
maybe it's a little bit of a softness

1037
01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:46.159
from that standpoint. We never did
that with our kids. Our kids had

1038
01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:50.640
to carry their own bag. My
sons could fit inside their hockey bags.

1039
01:35:51.560 --> 01:35:55.760
They were just little kids when they
were four or five years old. They

1040
01:35:55.800 --> 01:36:00.560
could fit inside the hockey bag,
crawl in there. If you take all

1041
01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:01.960
their pads out, they could crawl
in there. We could zip it up

1042
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:09.279
and carry them off. But they
carried those bags into the rink every single

1043
01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:14.800
practice, in every single game,
two sticks in one hand, bag over

1044
01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:23.640
the shoulder, the other, leaning
forward like they were running downhill and going

1045
01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:30.319
into the arena. That's what I
love most about it, and I sure

1046
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:35.479
hope parents aren't replacing that. I
think it's an important part of the sport.

1047
01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:39.880
I really do. I hope you're
not saying, you know what,

1048
01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:44.279
six am is too early for me, so I'm not gonna get up and

1049
01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:49.119
take my kid to practice. No, man, it's a great way to

1050
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:56.640
start the day. I think you
can get up for six am T time,

1051
01:36:56.680 --> 01:37:00.880
couldn't you. Or at six am
tailgate at U of M for a

1052
01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:04.239
new game. You can make a
flight at six am, can't you.

1053
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:12.760
That's kind of in my mindset.
When I read the article, it kind

1054
01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:15.319
of took me back a little bit
to those types of days. Because Matthew

1055
01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:24.000
Kuchuk and others have mentioned the same
thing, speaking of toughness. It's one

1056
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:30.680
of the reasons I love the Lions
draft pick of Terry on Arnold. It

1057
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:38.359
would be interesting to know how many
teams, scouts, assistant general managers,

1058
01:37:38.520 --> 01:37:45.119
general managers, whatever, call the
coaches of some of the players they're considering

1059
01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:54.239
drafting. Nick Saban said something pretty
interesting draft night. It's not many teams

1060
01:37:54.359 --> 01:38:00.920
that call him. There's a documentary
called The Art of Coach. It kind

1061
01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:10.439
of put on display the bond between
Bill Belichick and Nick Saban. And Saban

1062
01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:19.000
had kind of gone off rather showing
some frustration and being upset on how NFL

1063
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:26.359
teams evaluate talent, and he said
this. He said, one thing that

1064
01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:30.520
you do referring to the NFL that
a lot of NFL guys don't do.

1065
01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:33.119
And he was referring to Bill Belichick
here. He said, one thing that

1066
01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:36.479
you do that a lot of NFL
guys don't do. I don't know if

1067
01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:41.319
you've ever picked one of your guys, if you've before talking to me.

1068
01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:47.119
In other words, I'm thinking about
drafting this guy who played for you at

1069
01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:57.560
Alabama. Tell me what you think
of him. Doing your homework, Saban

1070
01:38:57.600 --> 01:38:59.720
said, there's a few other guys
in the league that do that, but

1071
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:04.920
many then there's a number of teams, thirty teams he said that I never

1072
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:08.960
hear from and they picked somebody,
and I think you picked that guy.

1073
01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:13.720
And after a while they'll say,
well, we didn't know this. Well,

1074
01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:18.600
that's because you didn't make a phone
call. It sure seems like the

1075
01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:26.359
Lions have called him on more than
one occasion. When you're drafting guys from

1076
01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:33.439
Alabama who played for Nick Saban,
it seems like Brad Holmes and his staff

1077
01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:40.359
have at least touched base there to
see what kind of player is Brian Branch,

1078
01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:47.119
Jamison Williams, Terry On Arnold.
First of all, I love that

1079
01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:54.680
about Brad Holmes and his staff.
That's number one. Number two. I

1080
01:39:54.920 --> 01:40:03.880
love the fact that Saban was a
tough as nails coach. Not every coach

1081
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:13.479
has to be tough, grinded out
tough love okay with every single player because

1082
01:40:13.640 --> 01:40:18.640
players are different, different players I
like in coaching to being a father all

1083
01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:25.920
the time or being a parent.
Just because you have four children doesn't mean

1084
01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:30.119
that you parent them all the same. The rules can be the same.

1085
01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:34.560
This is my belief. Now,
the rules can be the same doesn't mean

1086
01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:38.840
that you go about it exactly the
same with every single one of them,

1087
01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:42.479
because not all of them. Not
every person responds to things. I mean,

1088
01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:48.279
you know this. You have a
working environment, You're probably respond to

1089
01:40:49.359 --> 01:40:58.000
certain type of criticism or critiques.
Let's do critiques different than others. Now.

1090
01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:00.760
I don't want to be surrounded by
a bunch of people who constantly he

1091
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:06.680
have to be patted on the butt
or patted on the back. And I

1092
01:41:06.760 --> 01:41:11.000
sure don't want to be around people
who feel like you can never do anything

1093
01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:18.399
right either. But the belief is
that Nick Saban is that tough love guy.

1094
01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:27.399
So that's awesome. He's a tough
love guy. And Terry On Arnold

1095
01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:34.239
responds. Jamiir Gibbs has responded,
Branch has responded. Williams has responded,

1096
01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:40.640
you would expect the same from this
guy who, at one point during his

1097
01:41:40.920 --> 01:41:48.279
career was benched and rather than crawling
away, hiding in a corner, sucking

1098
01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:55.239
a thumb, threatening to transfer,
giving up, down playing everything that took

1099
01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:58.840
place, bad mouthing the guy who
took his job, what did he do

1100
01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:03.479
there to be supportive? And he
was there to try and get better and

1101
01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:15.199
regain the position. Professional example,
A couple nights ago, Matt Verlin gets

1102
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:18.680
pinch hit four. He's playing his
hometown team, Saint Louis, He's got

1103
01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:24.119
friends and family in the stands.
He's disappointed. Carrie Carpenter comes in,

1104
01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:28.680
gets a sacrifice, fly, gets
the job done. First player out of

1105
01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:31.680
the dugout. First player at the
top steps of the dugout to congratulate Carpenter

1106
01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:38.760
for a job well done with Matt
Verlin, those are the guys you want

1107
01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:43.560
on your team. We all want
stars, we all want guys who can

1108
01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:48.760
produce, but we want guys who
understand the process, understand what it takes

1109
01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:54.520
to be better, are willing to
sacrifice to get better, and are willing

1110
01:42:54.680 --> 01:43:02.000
to listen to the hard coaching of
a proven coach to get better. That

1111
01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:08.199
to me makes it a really good
pick. If you have to constantly massage

1112
01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:14.439
an ego, constantly massage feelings on
the football field, you're in trouble.

1113
01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:19.520
With over one hundred guys on the
field for Alabama, that's impossible. With

1114
01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:25.079
eighty or fifty four guys on the
field for the Lions, it's challenging too.

1115
01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:30.399
You have to take you can't dedicate
it to one guy all the time.

1116
01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:40.479
So I love that and it makes
me happy and even solidify more when

1117
01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:44.680
you read stories like this, solidify
more of the reasons why Detroit may have

1118
01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:55.479
drafted him. Willing to accept hard
coaching. That's awesome. I would hope

1119
01:43:55.520 --> 01:44:00.760
that's the way it is in a
lot of different moments for athletes or for

1120
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:08.520
people in general. Did you see
the video? It's a really good I

1121
01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:13.920
think people what they want out of
sports Because every game's on TV, and

1122
01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:17.520
because so many interviews are done with
players in front office personnel, and you

1123
01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:25.640
get video and audio clips and various
social media sites and online y it's really

1124
01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:30.119
hard to perhaps keep people's attention for
an extended period of time on one thing.

1125
01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:36.960
But what the Eagles did recently was
brilliant, and I think the Lions

1126
01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:41.159
do it. I'm sure every team
does it. They put a camera and

1127
01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:44.840
a microphone on people, just to
give you an idea of what the process

1128
01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:49.439
is all about. What's it like
being in the draft room. Well,

1129
01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:57.760
we're going to show you. The
Eagles did that. They put a camera

1130
01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:04.600
and they had their general manager miked
up, Howie Roseman, and they in

1131
01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:12.880
the second round, they really wanted
Iowa corner Cooper dejen. They were trying

1132
01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:16.680
to figure out a way to trade
up. Now they had already selected Quinnon

1133
01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:21.159
Mitchell in the first round, the
kid out of Toledo, but they wanted

1134
01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:28.000
another defensive back. So here's what
they did. They're planning to trade up

1135
01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:30.279
to the eighth pick of the second
round, number forty. Remember I told

1136
01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:35.479
you the other day, general managers, front office personnel do not use rounds.

1137
01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:40.439
They use picks, overall picks.
And if you listen to the video

1138
01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:47.399
of this behind the scenes Philadelphia Eagles
draft room, you'll notice the same thing

1139
01:45:49.239 --> 01:45:54.000
Roseman. That's all he does.
He just says, taking pick this,

1140
01:45:54.359 --> 01:45:57.960
this, this, for this,
this and this. He was hoping that

1141
01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:03.520
Degene would fall. The Rams had
just traded up to number thirty nine,

1142
01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:09.800
so he thought for sure that the
Rams were going to take him, and

1143
01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:13.000
he was a little disappointed, like, ah, that's it. They didn't

1144
01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:19.840
take him. They took Florida State
defensive tackle Braden Fisk instead, former Western

1145
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:28.520
Michigan guy who transferred to Florida State. And upon hearing this, he pumped

1146
01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:34.439
his fist, screamed how much jubilation
he had hugged his owner, made the

1147
01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:41.239
pick, and then quickly got him
on the phone. That full access video.

1148
01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:46.439
The team has a YouTube account,
that full access video is there for

1149
01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:53.079
anyone to see. And he brought
up a great point following that. Wearing

1150
01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:56.520
the microphone, he says, you
don't know how everyone else sees things.

1151
01:46:57.439 --> 01:47:00.880
We know how we see things,
and you get into your own head where

1152
01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:04.159
you go, everybody's got to see
it the same way. It doesn't work

1153
01:47:04.199 --> 01:47:11.880
out that way. So the Eagle
secondary might be the best in football.

1154
01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:19.359
You got Queenn Mitchell, you got
Cooper Dejeen, you have Darius Slay and

1155
01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:30.800
CJ. Gardner Johnson Degene can play
safety your corner. It goes to show

1156
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:38.039
you you and I have different opinions
on players. Doesn't mean that one person

1157
01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:42.159
is always right or wrong. But
if you and I are going to have

1158
01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:47.880
different opinions, you don't think front
office personnel are going to have different opinions,

1159
01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:51.880
especially with all their scouts watching different
people. I read an article yesterday

1160
01:47:51.880 --> 01:47:59.600
where people thought Detroit showed some arrogance
by drafting Rakestraw on the second round.

1161
01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:03.760
My immediate thought was, are you
kidding me? Arrogance? I think it's

1162
01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:10.399
brilliant. It's where they had him
on their board. They actually had him

1163
01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:17.319
higher according to Brad Holmes, and
knowing that this team is only going to

1164
01:48:17.359 --> 01:48:28.239
have one cornerback under contract after this
year before the draft, tells you even

1165
01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:31.680
more about the need for that situation, and take the need out of it.

1166
01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:34.840
It's just where they had him graded, which is the first and foremost

1167
01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:42.720
most important thing as far as I'm
concerned. They saw it in a different

1168
01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:45.479
way. Let's see if the Lions
can prove them wrong. Let's see if

1169
01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:54.079
Rakestraw can prove them wrong. I
thought it was fantastic. It's another example

1170
01:48:55.159 --> 01:49:00.319
of what makes sports so great.
I think it's just how people feel differently

1171
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:08.279
about different things when it comes to
the draft specifically. But I loved the

1172
01:49:08.359 --> 01:49:12.800
comment from Nick Saban and I thought
it just kind of went back to just

1173
01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:19.399
how important it was. You know, we see Detroit moving up five spots

1174
01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:24.560
for Dallas to get terry On Arnold
and thinking to ourselves, oh, they

1175
01:49:24.640 --> 01:49:28.880
traded up for a need. They
traded up for the player, not for

1176
01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:32.079
the need. They traded up for
the player. They didn't trade up for

1177
01:49:32.119 --> 01:49:36.560
the pick. They traded for the
player. That's the most important thing to

1178
01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:43.560
remember moving forward in any draft.
I hope with any general manager. Picks

1179
01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:45.880
are great. Oh they gave up
a couple of thirds to get this guy.

1180
01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:53.039
You got the player you wanted.
That was most important, really important

1181
01:49:53.079 --> 01:49:57.600
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