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And now your hosts, Cliff Berkman and

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James Bobo Fay. Greetings, Bobo, how are you doing today? Great?

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Great, that's good to hear.
No, I take that back,

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that's great to hear. Thank you, You're welcome, thank you. You're

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ready for this? Man, it's
a Q and A day. Yeah,

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those are always fine. But before
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um, it's been I mean,
we did a podcast yesterday, we recorded

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one yesterday, but god, that's
almost twelve hours ago. What calamity has

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struck your life since then? Not
a thing? Really? Well, I

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haven't any calamities, but I haven't
left the house since either. Yes,

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it's best to stay inside. Where
to say? Well and that an enlightening

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note, you know, and then
that a happy song. Why don't we

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jump into the Q and a's and
see what people want to know from us?

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Question? Question? Yeah, so
let's start. So let's see,

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let's listen to the first voicemail,
because you listeners out there, you probably

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know this by now. You've probably
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in case you're new and you just
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podcast, by the way, which
happens all the time. Literally today.

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I'm recording at the museum today and
I was downstairs a little while ago and

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somebody came in, Oh, we're
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I love the show. Great.
Do you listen to our podcast? No,

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you have a podcast. Every single
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a podcast and they jump on board, and we're getting more listeners all the

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time, which is great. So
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welcome to a Q and A episode. What we do once a month

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anyway, let's listen to the first voicemail

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message and then we can we can
talk about that for a while. Hey

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Cliff from Bow Bow, my name
is Richard. I'm from the UK.

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I just want to say I got
into bigfooting a little while back after reading

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a book on crypto zoology and the
hairy hominid chapter spoke to me immensely and

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after a lot of reading, I'm
down this rabbit hole and I'm still going

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Your show is amazing every time I
seem to listen to it. I need

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a new book. I've just got
the Michael Freeman book in the Post today

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and I'm looking forward to that.
And I'm currently reading Sasquatch, the Apes

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and Mongers by John Green. Question
for me is hippies and bigfoots. What's

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what's any encounters of that? I've
been kind of intrigued by that while watching

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some episodes of Finding Bigfootlow. I'm
just like to where know if any of

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that sort of gone on, if
any of those hippie love ins had any

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encounters with bigfoots over the years.
Anyway, keep up the good work.

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Look forward to hearing more from you
in due course. Take care, keep

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it Squatchy. I got this one. Yeah, Bubbo, I'm gonna let

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you handle this. Go for it. Man. You live in northern California,

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in Humboldt County. I think that
you're the resident expert here. Yeah.

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Actually, And the best vocals I
heard on all of Finding big Foot

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was when I did the We were
doing that two our special Canada versus us

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Flippy and I set up those drums
out in the woods and I was had

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tied eye up everywhere. I had
my tied eye shirt on. I think

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I had a wig on, like
a long haired wig, and we were,

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you know, banging away and making
just doing hippie stuff. I think

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we burned incense, and I'm pretty
sure it might have been a different time,

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but I think I spread some petulio
around and we got the loudest craziest

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sounds I ever heard out of coming
up out of the river bottom on sold

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Duck, the soul Duck River in
northern Washington, and it was nuts because

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it sounded like grinding. It sounds
for Sertays. Had this picture in my

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mind one of those old like nineteen
forties four wheel you know, the off

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road big fire trucks, like the
earliest versions of of you know, like

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a firefighting forest, fire fighting truck, and like just with like a shot

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transmission grinding gears, and it sounds
like the grinding gears were like someone just

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grabbing sheets of sheet metal and ripping
him in half, like something, you

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know, like some giant just tearing
sheet metal in half. And then it

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went from that into like this scream, into like this crazy roar, and

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it was just unbelievable. It might
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I can't remember the exact sequence now, but it did like a series of

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three of these vocals. It all
changed. It was intent. It was

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just crazy and we were so psyched. We had a bunch of recorders up,

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but they were all junkie. We
had a parabolic but we weren't ready

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for it because we were doing the
drumming and all that, and it was

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we were in shock. We were
trying to figure out what it was.

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The first half before we even realized
what it was, and it was so

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loud. We were so stoked,
and then nothing really showed up on the

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recorders we had. We had pretty
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so many like cheap, you know, for like an office or like

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taking notes in a class or something. It's like one of the couple we

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had four of those out. We
actually had we had a good uh.

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We had I had my really good
um task them. I had my task

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them out and that had the double
mics on it, and that didn't pick

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up very much at all, which
was strange that we didn't. We didn't

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have much action after that. But
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I got a lot of reports from
hippies because you lived about a lot of

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them had pot farms out in the
hills, and I don't know, maybe

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like being on that that level plane
when people are taking mushrooms, like because

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I had people report. I had
reports people saying like, yeah, I

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was on mushroos, and I said, and I'd never like i'd take those

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of the couple grains of salt and
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but yeah, a lot of the
pot roars at night. Sneaking out

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back befoward. This is you know, thirty twenty years ago, thirty five

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years ago, and you had to
worry about like nowadays you can grow a

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thousand pounds in your backyard, but
back then you had you had to sneak

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out in the woods, and usually
at night to avoid you know, sheriff's

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rangers for got forest workers and people
in general. So the guys would go

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out there at night and they'd run
into these things at night. And I

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got a lot of reports to people
saying that, you know what scared him.

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And then also music festivals at Reggae
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people were I got several reports there's
like the reggae and the river.

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It's down the Iale River and southern
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on the hillside. You know,
you can kind of get out of the

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main bowl. It's like a natural
bowl amphitheater, and you can get up

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in the top and you can go
way up to the top. It con

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seem like oak meadows. And I
talked to several people that saw about a

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seven and a half to eight foot
sasquats in the lurking amongst the oak trees,

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just spying on the festival gors.
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know, scattered couples, like you
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might be up there. And so
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up there at night and hung out
up there, and I didn't I never

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had anything happen or see anything,
but I talked to people at Yeah,

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they said they seen them out they
saw him out there. You know.

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That kind of brings up a nice
parallel with the New York baby footage too,

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because Doug Pridgeon and his buddies,
they're just basically a bunch of hippie

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s drink and beer around a fire, on the outskirts of a music festival,

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and then something came and was watching
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and that's when the baby thing jumped
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and went up in the tree.
If you don't know what I'm talking about,

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you can either see the Finding Bigfoot
episode whereinvestigated it, or just look

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up New York baby footage, bigfoot
or something on YouTube and you can find

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it right away. That was taken
at a music festival. So big noises,

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big, you know, big crowds, big two dos or something that

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kind of attracts sasquatches a lot of
times. Yeah, So I think the

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hippie thing is legit, man,
And I don't think the smell of pachuli

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in the air would be a turn
off for him either, because it's something

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unusual they've probably never smelled before.
Would probably bring them in. I thought

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that's sort of elicit the rock throwing
babe, it is. Yeah, that's

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quite quite possible. You know.
Tom Powell had some buddies over here by

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bull Run. You know, I'm
always talking about bull Run Watershed because no

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one's allowed in there, but the
bigfoots don't care. Tom Powell had some

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some buddies who owned this ranch over
there, like right on the edge of

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bull Run Watershed. Now it's actually
inside bull Run, but this is how

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that happened. They had this hippie
ranch over there in the like seventies or

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early eighties or something like that,
and they eventually sold the property. These

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two guys that owned the property,
they sold it because they thought it was

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haunted, because things would bang on
the outside of their house. There would

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be screams and yells and howls in
the in the woods. Giant things would

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be dragged across their yard and left
in different places. They convinced themselves that

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it was haunted because Bigfoot never really
crossed their mind, and they eventually sold

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the property because they thought it was
haunted, and the city of Portland bought

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it and then moved the boundary of
the watershed back to engulf it. They

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tore down the structures and all that
sort of stuff. So, um,

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yeah, there's another example. But
you know that that kind of shows you

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something too, is like, you
know, hippies are perhaps a little bit

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more open to weird beliefs than other
people, who may be slightly more well

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grounded than certain individuals, right,
so they thought it was haunted, But

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no, just animals, just bigfoots
doing their thing. Oh and also something

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else. Remember a few years ago, you know the Rainbow Family, which

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is the decentralized giant hippie community that
has no leaders, so you can't prosecute

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them. Once a year they have
a Rainbow gathering, Rainbow Family gathering or

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something like that. They do it
in various places throughout the country, and

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again there's no leader, so there's
no way to prosecute it or stop it

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or anything like that. But if
number of years ago they actually held it

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at Scuca Meadows, of all places, Scuca Meadows and something like fifteen thousand

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hippies descended on Scuca Meadows and camped
in the place and honestly kind of trashed

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it for a while. But after
all the folks left, the good natured

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hippies were left there where they stayed
after and picked up all the trash that

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all the other irresponsible hippies had left
around. And I drove through the area

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because I think I gotta go see
the aftermath of this man. It must

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have been crazy. And I did
go up there, and that one real

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sharp turn just below where the Skookum
expedition was held, A big sharp turn

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to the left down there before you
go down to the gate, or there's

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a gate right there, but there'sn't
a further gate to Scuoka Meduts. Below

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it. There was a wall of
trash there, a wall of trash probably

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eight feet high and fifty feet long, and a bunch of very hard working,

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diligent, good natured Hippi folks are
they're packing it out and cleaning up

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after their brethren who did not have
that level of responsibility. I talked to

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them about big foot stuff and said, man, with all these people walking

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around and hippies and sounds and drums
and interests and smells in the air,

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did you guys hear or smell anything
or see anything? And one of the

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guys says, I heard some crazy
screams on the outskirts. I didn't know

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what they were, but dude,
it had to be a big foot and

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blah blah blah and yeah, and
you know, sure he was probably on

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psychedelics at the time, but that
doesn't matter, because drunken high people will

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see these things or here here are
these things too, and it doesn't matter.

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At the end, of the day. Maybe he heard one, maybe

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he didn't. But man, talk
about a possibility, you know, the

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rainbow gathering at scook A Meadows.
I bet you the big foots. The

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big foots had to be aware of
that, had to be aware of that,

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even if they were five miles away. Yeah. But Richard from the

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UK Man, thanks so much for
a great question. I appreciate it,

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and thank you so much for reading
books. Reading the Freeman book. I

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hope you're really enjoying it. I
think it's fantastic, of course, and

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apes among us required reading. It's
required reading for any big Footer. In

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my opinion, I think that all
of our listeners should put their nose in

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some books and read them. I
got a weird Oh, I got a

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weird letter this past week that and
sinuated that I look down on people who

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don't read books and I'm above them. Yeah. I don't know if that's

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the case. I don't know if
that's the case. Kind of a weird,

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passive aggressive sort of thing, but
whatever, I don't really care.

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That's fine. The fact is we
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Trent said, the person who doesn't
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read, so read a book all
right? Thank you Richard. Where we

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got next for it? Hey,
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show. I am sending this message
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for you guys today is, so, I know a lot of people would

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love to see Finding Bigfoot feedback on
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probably a slim chance of that ever
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I was thinking, well, I
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but I'm sure a lot of other
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curious to know if you ever thought
about just doing videos on YouTube, just

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kind of like vlogging your experiences on
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outsquatching. I would definitely watch,
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ever being an idea and or a
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that in the future. Thanks guys, great question. Thank you very much

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for that. I didn't catch a
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name, but I did hear Omaha, Nebraska, so Omaha. Thanks so

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much for that question. Appreciate it, and I guess you should be happy

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to know that I'm doing that.
I'm doing that now, but I don't

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do it through Bigfoot and Beyond.
I do it through my museum we had

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at the North American Bigfoot Center.
We have a museum membership, and all

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members, no matter what tier of
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museum and things that I think are
cool, or where I'm going to be

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speaking, or little tidbits. This
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cool, you know, like things
that I think are cool, you know,

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in bigfootland. But the real treasure
of being a member of the NABC

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is at twice a month you get
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own personal bigfoot research or deep dives
into evidence, although we haven't done a

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deep dive into evidence in many,
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so much. So Yeah, but
but then again, maybe you don't have

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an extra six bucks to throw out
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or you're not interested, which is
totally acceptable as well. So what I've

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started doing is I'm slowly hand picking
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and putting them out on YouTube.
So an ABC has a YouTube channel,

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I don't advertise it because there's I
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at this point, and I'm just
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no hurry for me. You know. Eventually I'll probably put ads on it

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or something to generate another income stream
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When we're doing something like a big
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sometimes hard to stay above water there. But um so anyway, Yeah,

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there is an n ABC YouTube channel. I'm hand picking some of the videos

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on there and putting it out some
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interesting. But we've been doing this
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about three years at least, so
there's a huge backlog of videos I could

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be putting up, and so go
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what you see. That's the quality
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n ABC, and you know,
all modesty aside. I believe the museum

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here is putting out the highest level
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it's a real strong statement, but
I can say that because I'm not I'm

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not aware of anybody else doing anything
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that is probably because I'm not looking
so as far as I know, we

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have the best content out there because
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think that's a safe thing to say
in that sort of way. So what

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we're already doing that, But what's
gonna be up next week? You know,

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we're gonna go to the woods.
Maybe I can bring a camera out,

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we can throw a little something on
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page. But we'll see. I
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like just we had so many nights
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camera crew. But then it was
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crew would definitely I think we would
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had footage like Cliff that night in
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I think we would have got They
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on us, and the camera guys
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trying to get those shock because they're
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proper angle. And just in the
infrared lights, I mean it just they

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see the infrared. It's just it's
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woods. We don't see what they
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quiet as possible, you know,
I'm trying to like blend in and go

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quest. So I just I just
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if you aren't listening out there and
you're a member of the podcast The big

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Foot and Beyond as we affectionately call
it Beyond big Foot and Beyond, there

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are actually two museum videos posted to
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back into the big Foot and Beyond
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release to my museum members if that
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if that is of interest, check
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stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
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Then, Hey, Cliff, Hey
Bobo. This is Eric from Phoenix and

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I've been a huge fan of you
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really disappointed when it was canceled,
but thrilled that I still get to hear

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from you guys on the big Foot
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Have a lot of fun listening to
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I have is related to the state
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away last year at eighty six,
hunted fish trapped. I had asked him

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about if he ever had any instances
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when he was out doing all this
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I'm just surprised. On the BFRO
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from Iowa. And based on the
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you know, there is quite a
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just surprised there's not more reports.
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where you're in Iowa and it was
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your thoughts on the state. Have
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any of the thoughts as to why
there maybe haven't been more reports. Anyway,

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Wisconsin border. But that's not like
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right off the big bluffs of the
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compared to the rest of the state, you know, like with the you

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know, some steeper valleys, and
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We had them there for sure,
had them there. So but the rest

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of i was not so much like
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have something to do that is uh
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Iowa, I mean that's I mean, that's you know, all politicians with

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reference Iowa. That's like the heartland. It's like the ultimate Midwest, you

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know, where people are conservative,
you know, they they value what their

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neighbors think of them. They're you
know, just not going to be talking

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about that kind of stuff out and
open so much. Yeah, And I

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think the topography thing is one of
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relatively flat state at least the parts
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River which is where the Yellow River
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river valleys stuff, and I think
those are the places that you would have

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to go to find good pristine sasquatch
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flat and farm and it's not it's
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mean they're out in the corn fields. There are photographs of these things in

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corn fields, videos of them running
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corn fields. But I think the
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of things, these deeply wooded the
deeper the better river valleys. And also

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topography that offers them a way to
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good at that and they are.
But also something else that a lot of

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people overlook about topography, and the
advantage of living in a place with a

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lot of topography, is that it
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feed. It increases the surface area
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square footage of places that these animals
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it as well. And as Bobo
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and I don't necessarily mean politically conservative. That's not what we do here

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at a big fom beyond what I
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kind of keeping it simple. Yeah, socially conservative in a lot of ways.

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They don't want to be thought of
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the left coast here, none of
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We're pretty weird. We're pretty open
about it. Key Portland, weird

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whatever, all that sort of stuff. Although there's a lot of obviously conservative

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people here as well, but they
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freak, the drunk, the hallscinator, the crazy person, the drug user

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or whatever things would be slapped on
someone who was interested in this sort of

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subject. And finally, something I
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bigfoot report, what you need is
a bigfoot in the same place as a

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person, and that person has to
be willing to share it, and they're

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Luckily now we have places like the
BFRO. You can submit your report to

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a nationwide database somewhat anonymously. You
just have to give your name and phone

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number if you ever want to get
published, because on the BFRO somebody has

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to talk to you an interview about
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you have to have a researcher who's
interested, essentially, And there's not a

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lot of researchers in that area.
There are some, and some very good

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ones, but there's not a lot
of them. Where in the Pacific Northwest.

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couple of researchers. So I think
a lot of these factors go into that.

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big one, because sasquatches need some

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room to stretch their legs man,
and in places where they're like in the

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Great Plains for example, where sasquatches
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for example, they're always in the
deep rip. They're always in those river

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valleys that they hang out in there
during the day. They need to get

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out of the sun. They need
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the plants, they need the water, they need the animal life, they

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need all that stuff. And I'm
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a satellite image of the thing.
There's not a lot of that.

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There's seem to be a lot of
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it, frankly, is going to
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big rivers, by the Mississippi or
whatever other giant rivers that you have in

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there, So I think that has
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Kue up the next question. Hey
guys, this is Josh from Philadelphia,

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Pennsylvania. Love the show, loved
Finding Bigfoot. My question is here in

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Pennsylvania, are there any areas that
are hot spots for activity? I know

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towards the Poconos they're supposed to be
activity. I was just curious if you

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guys had any suggestions. Love the
show, Love you guys, see you,

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We love you too. Josh,
he's all right, great guy.

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He clearly as a human of superior
intellect and taste. Pennsylvania hot spots lots

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Man Alleghany National Forest is number one. Yeah, I mean there's a lot

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of researchers. There are a lot
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that was someone to get out there. No problem like Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society up

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top of my head. I mean
there's multiple groups or that they got a

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lot of good researchers and there's endless
places to go. Yeah, endless like

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the Allegheny gets all the press,
you know, because there's researchers on the

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western side of the state, and
a lot of reports come out of there,

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but there's a quiet spot in the
central. Like I'm looking at a

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map right now, Susquehannock State Forest. I think that looks killer. I

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would try out there, especially since
you're down in Philadelphia. You don't want

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to drive too far, you know, so why you know, cut a

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couple hours off your drive and just
like go up there north of like Williams,

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Border, Lockhaven or one of those
places and see what's going on there.

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Eastern PA doesn't have a ton but
that's probably because of a lack of

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researchers and also there's something less habitat
Moneymaker and I did an investigation back in

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two thousand and eight in Butler County. Butler County has a ton of stuff.

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We ran into him there. We
found him. Some cop saw one

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on the Little Buffalo Creek I think
it was called. And we were walking

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up and down there and we found
where we found where they were holding up

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during the day. We got knocks
and whistles and we can hear him running

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around and stuff. It was great. And the funny part is I didn't

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know this at the time, but
my future wife was a six minute drive

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away. So I recommend you go
big footing in Philadelphia because you might end

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up getting married to a fantastic person
in Philadelphia. Oh, in ben Pennsylvania.

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Sorry maybe I know, I know. Yeah, don't go big footing

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in Philadelphia. Yeah, there's no
point. But go north. Go north

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a few hours, go to the
woods, and I think you have a

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really decent shot at most anywhere.
But I think the further west you go,

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the better you're going to be.
Although southwest down by Uniontown, it

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goes off to Man that's where all
that chestnut Ridge stuff was happening. Yeah,

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there's a lot of places. Yeah, you know, take a look

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at a map. Go to the
bfr O, go to what that guy

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the mapping Bigfoot or yeah BNP,
the big Foot Mapping Project. Yeah,

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go to his side. He's got
a great thing. And just look for

407
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.440
where there's a two or three or
four or more sighting reports within like five

408
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.000
or ten miles. Go there.
That's the best way you're going to find

409
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.599
him. That the best way to
find a sasquatches. Go where they've been

410
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.880
seen before numerous times, and just
keep hitting it and keep hitting it.

411
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.640
And then it comes down to a
game. Who's going to blink first?

412
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:29.160
You or the bigfoot? In other
words, who's gonna give up? It's

413
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:33.000
probably gonna be you, because the
bigfoots are already there living and do you

414
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.880
have what it takes to be persistent
enough to be successful in this? But

415
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.119
everybody loves camping, So go once
or twice a year, go enjoy yourself.

416
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:41.519
That's the great thing about this bigfoot
thing. You don't have to be

417
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.079
hardcore. You don't have to get
out once or twice a week. You

418
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.440
can go three times a year and
have a great camping trip with your family

419
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.559
or whoever, your friends and maybe
even here one. There's something in bigfoot

420
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.759
for everyone. I think it's a
great subject and it's a great way to

421
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.160
get outside and get healthy and get
happy and get your nose in books and

422
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:03.480
just increase the enjoyment of your life. Yeah, Hearing one's a definite pot

423
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.599
I mean, you can you have
a very good possibility of hearing one if

424
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.119
you're in the right places at the
right time of year. That's Seeing one's

425
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.079
pretty tough, but you can hear
them, that's for sure. Yeah,

426
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.519
and Pennsylvania is a fantastic place for
it. Heck, you know you recognize

427
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.599
any of the places we went on
our two or three episodes we did.

428
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:23.960
I mean, you said, you're
a fan of the show, Josh,

429
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.079
and just go back to where we
went. Go there, go there.

430
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.680
If there's a reason we chose those
places. You know, Matt has a

431
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.960
nationwide network of researchers who are out
in the woods of fair amounts, and

432
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.640
we took the best intelligence we could
find, the best most recent reports,

433
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.599
and we went to those locations.
So if you know where we went and

434
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.960
one of these Finding Bigfoot episodes,
go there, go there. We went

435
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.759
there for a reason. We just
we didn't let the producers choose after season

436
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.559
one, we didn't let the producers
choose. They We forced them to listen

437
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.359
to us, and we chose the
spots based on the best intelligence available at

438
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.160
the time. Okay, we got
our last voicemail right here. Let's hear

439
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:03.640
that one, clobo as it going
fellas. This is Rusty from Idaho.

440
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:08.920
And I was wondering, most of
the big Foot encounters I've heard are like

441
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:14.039
negative or scary in a way,
And I'm wondering if you guys have heard

442
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:18.720
any stories or encounters about like a
funny encounter or when the Bigfoot did something

443
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.880
funny, you know, like waved
or like laughed at somebody, you know

444
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.000
what I mean. I mean,
do you guys know if any uplifting or

445
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.759
like positive big Foot encounters because it
seems like everyone's always just scared. But

446
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.720
anyway, I love the podcast Fellas
keep it up. Yeah, most are

447
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:34.559
benign. I mean, most are
just most most of us are the big

448
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.920
Foot just taking off and you get
brief seconds of it taking off in the

449
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.799
whisk getting away from you. And
there's tons of reports people you know,

450
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.640
having maybe not amusing, but just
you're not gonna hear because all the big

451
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.839
Foot podcasts on the intense encounters,
that's what people want to hear. People.

452
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:53.759
People are going to tune into a
show where you just talk about I

453
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:57.519
saw one walk away or you know
like that. So that's that's what That's

454
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.640
what people want to hear, and
that's what the media generates. So but

455
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:06.880
there's most most accounts are benign.
There are a lot of scary reports and

456
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.599
there are the humorous ones, and
there's reports of them helping people, you

457
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.160
know, carrying injured people out of
the woods, rescuing children like the our

458
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.519
episode two I think it was big
Foot in the bear about the kid in

459
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.240
North Carolina disappearity, he said a
bear kept him warm at night in the

460
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.519
cave and then carried him around.
There's the one An origin where a kid

461
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:30.039
was back in the eighties got rescued
in the coast Guard chop that was flying

462
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.480
had a thermal thermal imajure, and
they said it was the biggest creature they

463
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.079
ever saw wild in North America.
It came out and set the kid down

464
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:42.039
and went back into the woods.
And the kid said that a big hairy

465
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.839
man bear thing was carrying him around, keeping him warm. So, I

466
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.000
mean there's stories like that for sure, you know. And as far as

467
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.319
sasquatches being scary, I don't see
it like that. I see the person

468
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.839
being scared. And that's an entirely
different thing. I mean, except,

469
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.160
you know, except for like when
they're screaming at you're throwing stuff or trying

470
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:00.240
to chase you have an area,
then they're trying to be scary. But

471
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.400
for the most part, sasquatchs are
just doing what they do and the human

472
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.000
is scared. But that doesn't make
the sasquatch scary. That makes the human

473
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.480
scared. There's a difference there.
And I keep thinking back to one of

474
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.279
the things that we investigated on finding
Bigfoot. I want to say it was

475
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.720
in Tennessee that this dude saw one
through his window and it seemed to be

476
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.359
imitating his facial movements. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. And

477
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.759
of course all it takes is a
person to have panicked there, and suddenly

478
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.279
the bigfoot was making scary faces at
him. No, no, the human

479
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.039
was scared. It's a perception issue, you know. But yeah, and

480
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.640
maybe that sasquatch is just playing with
that person, you know, but interacting

481
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.000
in some sort of way. And
there are certainly lots of benign stories about

482
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.039
them interacting, but most of the
time they aren't seen. For example,

483
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.440
when some people have left food out
for them, and when they go back

484
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:53.400
to the offering pile or whatever you
want to call it, the food is

485
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:59.279
gone except for a number of apples
or whatever they left that are equal to

486
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.799
the number of humans that left it. So that kind of shows that sasquatches

487
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.599
there's some sort of altruism there.
There's some sort of idea of sharing with

488
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.559
the sasquatch, which I think is
really interesting. It kind of parallels a

489
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.119
lot of the studies being done on
chimpanzees and whatnot, learning how chimpanzees mourn

490
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.039
they're dead or have these other human
emotions and want to share and do these

491
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.359
sort of things. Sasquatches are no
different. We can learn a lot about

492
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.279
ourselves and our own behaviors by studying
sasquatches and all the other ape species,

493
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.119
because again, we're just another one
of those. We're a special ape,

494
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.319
but we are an ape, you
know, that's our family. We're closely

495
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:33.839
related to them, and a lot
of our behaviors or parallel to them.

496
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.880
There's a lot to learn there.
There's a lot to learn from these animals

497
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.599
and about ourselves. So and as
far as the laughing and whatnot, Tom

498
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:47.400
Powell told me he thought a sasquatch
laughed at him once. He was I

499
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.079
think it was after all that Chehalis
stuff, the Jalis project that he details

500
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.880
in his excellent book called The Locals. Everybody should read that. It's a

501
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.359
great one. And I think he
was banging on the trees and doing stuff

502
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.599
out in Chehalis, didn't get any
results, or something came home and he

503
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.920
heard a knock or something in the
back of his property. And he goes,

504
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.359
oh, great, they're here,
and I think this is the same

505
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.480
night. I could be wrong,
but I remember he was walking up the

506
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.759
porch and he stumbled because he had
to walk upstairs to get in Tom Powell's

507
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.839
house, and he stumbled. And
when he stumbled, he said that something

508
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.559
laughed at him from the from the
woods. My dad had one laugh at

509
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:22.519
him in the exco when he was
putting, when they were up in the

510
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.640
hay barn we run out on the
Hickorya reservation back in two thousand and four.

511
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.039
There's a couple of nights before I
had my best sighting and my dad

512
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:34.240
was putting on his changing his underwear
and he's, you know, put put

513
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.480
We went to slip on his u
chonies. He got his big toes stuck

514
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.920
in and made him stumble and fall
forward. And he heard giggling and then

515
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.759
he heard like like little kids,
and he heard a big and they all

516
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.160
went dead quiet, and I goes, hey, who's up there? And

517
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.960
started, you know, going,
who's who's that? And they ran and

518
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:53.000
jumped out of the barn and we
heard him. We heard him yell,

519
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:57.440
and we heard the running the boom
boom, and they jumped out and that

520
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.480
things didn't break stride running away,
and then we heard a big cut and

521
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.799
he had sheets of uh you know, like chent inch wide sheet metal that

522
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:07.799
siding that had blown off in a
storm, that was laying out, you

523
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.920
know, fifty yards from the barn. And as they're running out, one

524
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.200
stepped on it. It was a
about a fifteen to sixteen inch you can

525
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.319
outline of it wasn't like a perfect
outline, but you can see where it

526
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.119
had stepped on it, like the
dew was disturbed on it and everything.

527
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.839
I mean, it was. It
just happened. And my dad goes that

528
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.839
some of a bitch was laughing at
me port fireball. He thought it was

529
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.759
kids. Other apes laugh, they
laugh. They don't do it in the

530
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.799
same way we do, but they
expressed the same emotion in a different way.

531
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:43.079
Um animals are known to basically laugh, And I think that's really cool.

532
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.160
We're not so different. No Clil
got say, for all the people

533
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:51.079
that are screaming at their phones or
computers right now, that sas watches seem

534
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:52.759
definitely be scaries, and they can't
be scary. They can they can be

535
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.519
scary, Oh sure they can.
Sure, they can't, but they can

536
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.480
scare people. And you know,
it's like when we went to Australia and

537
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:00.640
we were one, are they are
dead? Dad? Even are they like

538
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.039
violent and stuff? No? The
researchers down there who are putting that on

539
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.760
the animals, you know, I
don't know. You haven't listened to all

540
00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:10.400
the reports and read all the reports, Mama show that I've read of where

541
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:15.079
they've I've heard. I went into
accounts talking where they it seemed like they

542
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.960
were in jeopardy. I understand.
I just see a fear as a perceptions

543
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.639
of the person. You know,
Um, I imagine a stone cold you

544
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.800
know cowboys sort dealing with grizzly barriers
probably isn't afraid of them, but people

545
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.719
from the city would be terrified of
them. So I think it's a lot

546
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:35.920
in the observer itself, is what
I'm trying to say. Oh, that's

547
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.039
that's a lot of it. But
they can't. They can definitely be scaring.

548
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.119
Absolutely absolutely they scare me. And
people that are looking in the eye

549
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.079
like close and like close up to
a big male or even the females like

550
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:51.239
the look the looks of just pure
like stare they gave them the look they

551
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:52.920
gave. I mean, it could
just be their natural countenance, but they

552
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.079
see like people will say that they're
like they saw him at first when they

553
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.440
first locked eyes, that they had
like a neutral expression, and then it

554
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.559
just pure hatred just burns out of
them, just out of them, you

555
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:07.519
know, and starts growling. And
I'm absolutely positive they can be horrifyingly scary,

556
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.440
horrifyingly scary. But how much of
that is perception of the observer versus

557
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.800
the intent of the Sasquatch, I
don't know. I think it's certain intent.

558
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.639
They know exactly what they do.
They know they know what reaction they're

559
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.920
going to get out of us when
they do certain things, for sure.

560
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.599
I mean they they know human psychology
on that level. I think really well,

561
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.000
well, I've always said they don't
speak English, but they're effective communicators.

562
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.400
Yeah, And I'm with you,
I don't We're not that far off.

563
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.880
So I think you're taking issue with
something may not be there. So

564
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.039
I'm just saying it takes a person
to be afraid for them to be scary,

565
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:44.119
right, except your apology will move
on. I wish I had an

566
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:49.440
apology for you. Bob's stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and

567
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:58.639
Bobo. Will be right back after
these messages. Okay. The first one

568
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.000
is from Robert Man's Sarah, can
you share your thoughts on the Redwood Playboy

569
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.800
footage on Walker Road? Do you
guys think the footage is real or fake?

570
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.679
Jeff Meldrum, Thomas Steinberg, and
Danny Perez all went there to check

571
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.559
it out at one time. I've
been there many times. Yeah, it

572
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.639
was just there a few months ago. Actually, I was a week and

573
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:23.559
a half ago. The size is
impressive. But then when we would high

574
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:28.360
check, when you starts slow mowing
and you see like a bell bottom on

575
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.679
one of those steps, I'm like
a tennis shoe, it's kind of like

576
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.840
it that's hard to ignore. Yeah, Yeah, there's step there that implies

577
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.519
it's real. There's step there that
implies it's fake. It's just one of

578
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.599
those things at this point where I'm
comfortable enough just to say, like,

579
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.400
I'm not so sure about that one. Maybe maybe not. I could be

580
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.840
probably convinced either way, but at
this point I don't think it really matters.

581
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.599
Yeah, we know there's sasquatches there, right, Well, that's how

582
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.679
I remember that family that was hosting
the campground across the river from there and

583
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.800
all the stuff they had happened.
Yeah they were early are saying yeah.

584
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.639
So I mean there's there, there's
there's big foots there with that one in

585
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.000
the in the there's a costume or
a real one. I don't know.

586
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.400
I mean you listen to Jaffer like, well that's really can plainly. Then

587
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:13.480
you sit with Doug high check and
then he you know, goes look at

588
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.199
this and he blows it up in
free strange are like, dude, that's

589
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.880
a shoe and a pat leg,
you know, or a costume leg.

590
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.159
That's the problem with a hoax or
as they pollute the waters, you know,

591
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.119
even if and I'm saying that they
hoax this or anything, they might

592
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:29.000
have been hoaxed or maybe it's real. Um. Yeah, I don't know.

593
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:30.519
There's some things in there that like, well is that a strap as

594
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.199
it looks like a suit or um. And then there's rumors of people,

595
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.400
you know, ride a motorbike to
the location with a monkey. I don't

596
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.679
know, rumors and whatever. At
some point, it's something that we as

597
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.159
big footers probably need to remember a
little bit more often, is that some

598
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.079
it's big foot in a way,
it kind of doesn't matter. M we

599
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.320
know that they're real animals. Is
that film real? Or is the person

600
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.480
the psychopath who put it out,
you know, who think wants to fool

601
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.440
everybody and gets off on it somehow. I don't know. I'm kind of

602
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.239
neutral on that one, and I
really haven't spend that much time on it.

603
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.719
The locations great, I'll tell you
that. Yeah, it's a big

604
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.280
church stop. Now they turned that
Walker Road and like they've in large like

605
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:13.079
I got turning Wayne and it's it
used to be like relatively you know.

606
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.960
I mean you get people in the
summer, but there's people there a year

607
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:20.320
around now and it's it's a major
churst spot. I thought they did something

608
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.440
to it because I remember just being
like this little podunk road that doesn't kind

609
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.880
of went off into the woods and
stuff. But now there's like there's a

610
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:30.639
parking lot and there's trash cans and
trailhead and everything. Yeah, of course,

611
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.800
And I don't know what tree was
by either, but I think you

612
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.480
know, if you went about two
miles past that, you know, you'd

613
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.320
probably be in the zone. Definitely. Yeah. Again, I was just

614
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.559
there, like literally, like when
I went down to California for that funeral,

615
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.119
for my buddy's funeral. I dropped
by there on the way back up

616
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.440
and looked around and filmed a little
bit of it and stuff in case I

617
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.920
want to use it for the Patreon
stuff. But I was I thought it

618
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.519
had changed, but I thought maybe
I wasn't quite sure at the time.

619
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.119
So I'm glad you've verified that for
me. All right, let's go to

620
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.119
the next written one. Then your
turn, Bobs. This is from Lee

621
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.239
Wilson. When Bigfoot is proved as
an actual living animal, do you think

622
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.639
zoos and Disneyland type businesses will want
a Bigfoot on display? And what can

623
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:14.280
be done to stop that happening?
Great show, guys, keep up the

624
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:15.719
good work. Um, I don't
know. I mean, if they're proven

625
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:21.159
to be in the Haman in line, I think they wouldn't be allowed to.

626
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.440
I hope they wouldn't be allowed to. Yeah, but certainly they'd want

627
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.280
to because you know, corporations are
driven by the almighty dollar and all that

628
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:34.559
sort of stuff, and you see
how a lot of these organizations practically abuse

629
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.920
animals. Now, Um, you
know, of course zoos and whatnot,

630
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.639
they're they're necessary, you know,
they're necessary for preservation of genotypes and and

631
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.280
DNA stuff, and they play a
role. I'm not I'm not I'm not

632
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.679
hitting zoos and stuff like that.
Um, I'm not so sure they need

633
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.079
to be put on you know,
like you know, clap monkey clap sort

634
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:57.360
of stuff. You know, Like
I'm pretty uncomfortable with the big whales,

635
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.559
for example, in places in like
the marine parks being put on display and

636
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:07.000
made the do tricks and living in
a very very very very very small enclosure.

637
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:09.239
I'm not super hyped on that,
but I understand the role of these

638
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:15.280
institutions and trying to counteract a little
bit about the damage to the environment and

639
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:21.400
the ecosystem that humans tend to do. I'm not sure they'd be they would

640
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:25.039
live because let's look at the mountain
gorilla, for example, there are no

641
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.599
mountain gorillas in captivity because they don't
live. They die. Maybe they crush

642
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.719
their spirit, maybe it's a diet
thing, but they Humans have never successfully

643
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.480
kept mountain gorillas in captivity for extended
periods of time. That was true for

644
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.039
great white sharks too for a long
time, and it kind of still is

645
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.559
because Monterey Bay Aquarium, for example, they do go out and they capture

646
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.880
juvenile great white sharks, and they
have a wonderful pelagic display with tunos and

647
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.159
doroto and sunfish and all these amazing
big deep water polagic species of fish.

648
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.800
And they put great white sharks in
there because the tank is big enough.

649
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.400
But even then they get big,
they let them go eventually. Some animals

650
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:08.039
just do not do well in captivity. And I have a sneak in suspicion

651
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:12.639
that sasquatches are going to be one
of these. And really, I mean,

652
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:14.960
how bummed out would it be?
And would people want to see a

653
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.880
bummed out, depressed you know ape, It would be too dangerous to keep.

654
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:24.119
There's having a you know, eight
nine foot eight nine hundred pound analysts,

655
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.360
the fastest animal at your zoo,
the quickest, the smartest with hands,

656
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:31.599
I mean, you know, trying
to like trick them, like you

657
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:35.800
know, getting to go in and
out from the daytime enclosure to the nighttime

658
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.760
enclosure. You're going to clean up
the you know, the water features.

659
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.519
You've got to isolate them like good
luck, you know what I mean.

660
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.400
Like the way those things can jump, and I mean how strong they are,

661
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:50.880
like even like that bulletproof glass.
I think they'd be started to pick

662
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.599
up a rock. If you big
foot that had, you know, something

663
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.280
they could just pick up and smash
it. It could smash its way through.

664
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.920
I mean, I just don't see
it unless you have little ones.

665
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:04.440
A rang of tan routinely escape their
enclosures. They figure out how like things

666
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.000
are kept like. They unscrew things
with their hands, you know, because

667
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.440
they're amazingly strong that there's nothing for
an orangutan to pick up a five hundred

668
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.480
pound weight and carried around nothing for
them, and their fingers have a huge

669
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:19.599
crushing strength. They can actually literally
unscrew the bolts and whatnot on the glass

670
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.480
enclosures, and they've been known to
escape this way. They have. Some

671
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:28.880
zoos have trouble orangutans that escape multiple
times, and they coax them back into

672
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:30.559
the cage because you know, at
the end of the day, the orangutans

673
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.239
in charge. Essentially at the end
of the day, all humans can do

674
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.840
is coax them in the right direction. And sasquatches would be way more troublesome

675
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.519
than that. They would be such
a pain in the butt to keep.

676
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.760
I don't even know how you do
it. You'd have to have some you

677
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.280
ever see that movie The Iceman back
in the eighties or whatever. Yeah,

678
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.320
would like some thought out in Neanderthal
comes back to life and he's in some

679
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.320
enclosure like that. It would have
to be something like that. But even

680
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.679
that, how would that work?
These things are so strong, so smart

681
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.440
and in problem solving, just like
you know. It's just I don't see

682
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:07.119
how it can be done. But
certainly corporations would want to do that because

683
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.000
what a great attraction that would be
and how much money would they make.

684
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.960
But I don't know. I don't
think it would be a great attraction.

685
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.280
I think it'd be depressing. They'd
have well, I'll tell you this,

686
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:21.280
like some Eastern European countries, in
Asian countries, they have no problem displaying

687
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.719
them. You know, there'd be
no moral qualms. Yeah, yeah,

688
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.760
and I'm sure the moral I don't
think the sasquatch would have any moral qualms.

689
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.559
And ripping their arms off either definitely
not no, And I might be

690
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.800
on the side of the Sasquatch on
that one. Oh yeah, you're locking

691
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:40.000
them up for nothing, well for
something, but I mean not worth I

692
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.920
just think it. I mean,
if they're if they're really are just more

693
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:45.239
like a gorillas. I think,
which I do not think at all,

694
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:50.079
but then maybe you can justify it
more. But they're not in danger of

695
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:53.119
going extinct. There's no good reason. I mean, besides, and how

696
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:57.719
much you really going to learn from
sling them in a captive environment versus you

697
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.559
know, it's gonna be it's gonna
be a it's gonna be are just study

698
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.480
of them. I even with tons
of funny, it'll be doable, but

699
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:07.000
it's gonna be really like, they're
gonna stay mysterious even if even if they

700
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.639
come out tomorrow that they're real,
and every university puts a research team of

701
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.840
post ride guys out there and the
douce. You know, they got the

702
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.840
funny for the long range you know, surveillance cameras and like high tech you

703
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.039
know, at the latest high tech
gear. They're still it's gonna take them

704
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.039
a long time to really, you
know, learn about them, Like I

705
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:28.039
don't think I'm going to know that
much about them in my lifetime now.

706
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.559
Now, they got to start from
ground zero because all the data is so

707
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.400
far gathered is questionable, you know, especially is polluted with the paranormal stuff

708
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.480
and the hoaxes and all that jazz. They got to weed through all that

709
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:38.480
sort of stuff, and at the
end of the day they'll probably just throw

710
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:42.800
out the data that we have.
They'll keep it around prehistorical reasons and stuff,

711
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.440
you know, and probably learn a
little bit from it. But it's

712
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.480
all suspect according to the scientists because
they weren't the ones who collected it,

713
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.960
you know, and you know,
meldrum stuff hopefully would be used, you

714
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.639
know, in a couple other folks. Hopefully their their stuff would be um

715
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:59.679
pristine enough, um you know,
a chain of custody sort of thing,

716
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.639
and they can be used to further
their knowledge. But they're basically starting from

717
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.119
ground zero or less than ground zero, because they don't even think these seems

718
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.239
are real right now, and that's
below zero, that's a negative, starting

719
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:16.559
from ground negative two. Next,
the next question comes from Jacob k in

720
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:22.320
the age of AI, special effects
and advanced computer graphics, how difficult will

721
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:28.800
it be to decipher future evidences being
legitimate or hoaxed for videos? In like

722
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.119
five years? It's going to be
very very difficult. Yeah, So,

723
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:37.840
which I guess, I guess comes
back to if someone is lucky enough to

724
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:42.519
get footage, you got to get
some other supporting evidence. Goes with it.

725
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.639
You don't have to, but it
sure would be helpful. Otherwise,

726
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:46.840
it's just going to be another piece
of footage that people are going to say

727
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.639
it's fake. Even if it's real. People are going to say it's fake

728
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.840
because in their mind's big foots aren't
real. And we have real footage now

729
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:59.079
and they still say it's fake.
But the Patterson stuff, Patterson Giblin stuff,

730
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.079
is pretty hard to deal with as
far as skeptics go, in my

731
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:06.400
opinion, because the footprints that are
there, the footprints were observed by people

732
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:09.280
besides Roger and Bob who were there. Several people saw the footprints in the

733
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:13.920
ground. Bob Titmus went out and
cast ten of them in a row to

734
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.199
add to the two that Roger and
Bob got, So there's twelve of them

735
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.239
in a row. Well, ten
of them are in a row. We

736
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.199
don't know where the other two came
from because they didn't document that the scene

737
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:29.159
well enough, frankly, but they're
supporting evidence is very very strong for the

738
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.119
PG film, and there aren't a
whole lot of other footage, pieces of

739
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:37.320
footage that have any supporting evidence like
that. The Freeman stuff does, which

740
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.119
adds a lot of credibility to the
Freeman footage. At least one of his

741
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:43.280
footage is the other one he didn't
get in the cast from it. But

742
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:45.079
yeah, so if you're lucky enough
to get footage, you need something else

743
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:49.360
because someone's going to call you a
liar. So people are saying that the

744
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.000
Stacy Brown footage was computer generated,
Say, dude, have you never met

745
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:58.920
Stacy Brown? Like, dude,
I laughed with Stacy about that, Stacey

746
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.039
Brown Junior at least like this this
this person over here saying that you did

747
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:05.920
this on computer And he goes like, what, I don't know how to

748
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.760
do that. I know that,
man, you're a good guy, but

749
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.480
like you don't know how to do
that. Um. Yeah, so I

750
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.679
don't know. People are going to
accuse you of doing AI stuff anyway,

751
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:22.840
especially nowadays. So that's why more
data is necessary from any film site in

752
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.559
my opinion. Yeah, that's why
I was talking to Rick, and when

753
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.920
we were talking to Rick and Noll, a couple of episodes goes, you

754
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.320
know, saying like, do you
carry a film camera just so like there's

755
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.519
less controversy, you know, as
opposed to digital. And he's like,

756
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:37.039
uh, he uses digital for the
he has them and he brings them.

757
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.880
But yeah, you gotta, I
guess, you know, it's it's too

758
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.400
expensive to try to shoot. You
know, if you shot every like weird

759
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.440
thing you saw in the woods,
like is it? What's that? Show?

760
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.840
You start taking pictures just in case
it is something, you'd go through

761
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.400
a lot of money. Yeah.
It reminds me when I had film trail

762
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.960
cameras. All that's the worst,
Oh the worst. They're slow and it

763
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.519
costs, like you know, back
in the day, like twelve eight or

764
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.440
twelve or something to find out you've
got a bunch of pictures of nothing.

765
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:06.880
Lee's falling and birds flying and grass
blowing. Yeah, I think the best

766
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:10.880
thing to do is remain totally incompetent
on technology and then go get footage.

767
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:14.960
Yeah, like Bobo, if you
got footage, no one is going to

768
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.800
accuse you of like generating AI images. You know. I got I got

769
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:24.679
my uh my same camera that Roger
used, the Kodak Sentam one hundred.

770
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.119
Yeah, I got that. So
but the film for that, I think

771
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.159
for two roles of film for that's
like one hundred and seventy dollars now,

772
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:37.039
oh wow wow, But that works. It's proven. Yeah, yeah,

773
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.639
there you go. Yeah, if
they don't like the sound of the electronics

774
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:43.360
or something, that's the way to
do because it's a totally analog camera spring

775
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:45.840
wound. All right, well we're
down to our last question, so Bob,

776
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.320
do you want to take it?
All right? This comes from Lake

777
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.400
and Arnold. I was recently out
in the woods and I stumbled upon a

778
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:58.880
very large copper head. It maybe
wonder if sasquatches are immune to snake venom

779
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:02.119
Do you guys think that sasquatches are
immune venomous snake blits? What? Do

780
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.679
you think? They just have the
skills the avoid actually stepping on them.

781
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.760
In general, they must step on
the accident at times, for sure,

782
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.320
And I think it's more that the
mass of them would make them survive something

783
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:16.960
like that. You know, they
probably get like a bad infection to get

784
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.480
some dead rotten meat there, but
I'm sure they could live through it.

785
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:25.119
Um, they hunt snakes. We
know they eat snakes, So yeah,

786
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.920
that's what I was gonna say.
I think that instead of stepping on one

787
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.199
or accidentally stepping close to one and
getting bit, they probably see it before

788
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.599
the snake knows and then eat the
thing they were walking at night, you

789
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.599
know, like they have to get
bit once I'm while walking out there,

790
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.920
you know what I mean. I
suppose, I suppose I think the sasquatches

791
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.920
are eating everything that they're running across. Oh yeah, they'll they'll step on

792
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:46.920
it then eat it. There you
go like like I do my food.

793
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.480
Nothing like a good flat burrito.
Yeah, I think I think snakes are

794
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.760
on the menu, and they're looking
for those things all the time for their

795
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:59.239
own purposes. And if you know, if you're always looking for a snake,

796
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.719
not at a ye, but for
out of hunger, you're probably going

797
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.280
to see a lot more snakes because
your life depends on it. And I

798
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.280
think that that probably help you avoid
getting bit quite a few times. But

799
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.719
yeah, it's certainly in all history. Some yeah, sure, some sasquatch

800
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.519
has probably got bit, but I
think far more snakes got eaten. Yeah.

801
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:16.880
I talked to someone in the South
one time. I can't remember whore

802
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.280
when or what even stay, but
it was like Florida, Georgia or something

803
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.840
like that. Well, they said
they saw a bigfoot reach down to snatch

804
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.320
a snake and just whip it like
a bull whip and smack its head off.

805
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.159
A rock whatever killed it and then
walked away with it makes sense.

806
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:35.159
I mean, I've eaten snake and
it's good. Yeah, I like it.

807
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.119
I guess that's it. I think
that's it for this one. Well,

808
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.119
actually kind of not it because we
have a members seem to go record

809
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now from the questions just submitted from
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wrap this one up and we can
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I guess that episode will be releases
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I just I just joined Patreon that
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it this week, and I gotta
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intro to the Beyond Bigfoot and Beyond
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you're right, I haven't. I
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our own show. I mean,
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Why do I need to listen to
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how bobes you know, take us
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