1 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:48,399 The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Here are your hosts, Scott Allen and Christina 2 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:56,200 Bowen. Happy Wednesday, everyone, and welcome back to the Paranormal Project Radio 3 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,640 Show. Hi Christina, how are you? I am great tonight. How 4 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,280 are you doing? Okay? Glad, glad to be here. So last 5 00:01:03,319 --> 00:01:08,200 week we were at the Enfield Demon House and I do have an announcement that 6 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:11,879 I want to make about that because I'm kind of excited. So I went 7 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,840 and we do have an event. Hey Ryan, Hi Bob, good to 8 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,640 see you. We have an event there. There's one ticket left if you 9 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,079 want to check out this place, and I'll talk to you more about that. 10 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,519 But we went to the Enfield Demon House and filmed an episode for Dark 11 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:32,519 Eckos Paranormal, which is on Amazon Prime and also Paraflex if you have access 12 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,400 to that. That's coming up this spring, I would imagine. But we 13 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:41,120 went through and I'm not going to go through what we got because I feel 14 00:01:41,159 --> 00:01:44,920 like you'll find that out when you see when you see the episode. But 15 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,719 I'm going to tell you the place is no joke. We are running an 16 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:52,560 episode. Sorry, we are running an event. There. There is one 17 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,480 ticket left and this is for oh what's the date. I wrote it down 18 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,359 April twentieth and Enfield, so it's that far out and we just have one 19 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:05,280 ticket left. So if anyone is in the Connecticut area and you want to 20 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:09,000 check this place out. It's a small home, so there's a limited number 21 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,960 of people that they can allow in. And it is no joke. I 22 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,159 mean, I was getting the chills. We talk about the demon being gone, 23 00:02:19,319 --> 00:02:23,080 I'm not so sure. I think the demon might still be there kind 24 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,639 of lying dorms and you'll see what I mean. But I do have another 25 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,719 announcement to make regarding that house. It seemed to be a lot of people 26 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:40,120 questioning the house and what the activity was. So on April tenth, we 27 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:45,360 are going to be live streaming from the end Field Demon House. Am I 28 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,240 giving us the right date? The tenth? Right? And hang on, 29 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:52,840 let me just make sure I'm telling you the right because if it's not a 30 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:55,319 Wednesday, it's not the right date. Yeah, April tenth. April tenth, 31 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:00,960 we're going to be live streaming from the Enfield Demon House. We're gonna 32 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,639 have cameras set up in each of the rooms, so you'll still be in 33 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,879 Tennessee, but you'll be there to kind of see what's going on. But 34 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:15,680 we'll have a camera set up in each of the bedrooms upstairs and certainly downstairs 35 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:20,599 in the living area where we were getting a lot of activity. So if 36 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,240 you are here and you are watching the show on April tenth, we will 37 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,000 be coming to you live from the Enfield Demon House and you can check out 38 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,520 what's going on in that house. So I encourage you to join us. 39 00:03:31,759 --> 00:03:37,800 I also want to announce, of course, Dark Echoes. I've done three 40 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,800 episodes. Actually I've done two episodes. I've got one more that we're filming 41 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:49,960 in Pennsylvania in a few weeks, but the other one was in Huntington, 42 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,719 Pennsylvania. That's hunting like you're going hunting Don hunting Don, Pennsylvania, and 43 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:03,879 we filmed there and we are have an event there on May twenty fifth at 44 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:06,560 one o'clock, and I think there are still tickets available for that. So 45 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:11,879 it's a meet and greet with the cast and crew at the haunted location, 46 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,919 which is the Clifton five Theater in Huntington, Pennsylvania. So if you want 47 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:17,600 to come and spend the night and investigate with us in a haunted theater, 48 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,399 we welcome you to come out to Pennsylvania and join us. You can check 49 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:28,040 out Dark Echos on Facebook and get a link to because all the tickets are 50 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,000 available on event bright. Also, if you go on our page here, 51 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,759 you'll be able to get the links to it as well and go. But 52 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,120 just keep in mind Enfield has only one ticket left, so if you're interested 53 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,920 in going, don't wait the other one. I think there are plenty of 54 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,199 tickets in Pennsylvania, which which brings us. And it's a nice segue into 55 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:53,000 our guests today because our guest is Tom Gormley. Now Tom, Hey, 56 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,240 there's the Enfield Demon House. Hello from Enfield. Rik's so excited. Yeah, 57 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,680 we can't wait. Jay and Elka and Mary Hello, and Adam, 58 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:05,279 thanks thanks for joining us. Uh. Tom, I only met back over 59 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:12,519 Labor Day. I was at the was it the Salem Para con with my 60 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:15,959 son and get chatting with him and we connected. And then when we were 61 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,560 filming in Pennsylvania for Dark Echos, I said I need someone to come drive 62 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:27,759 down with me. Who wants to go? And he volunteered. Sucker volunteered, 63 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,920 and so I said great, and so he filmed the episode with me, 64 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,560 and I think he's going to be doing another episode with me coming up 65 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,879 soon, so you'll you'll meet him here tonight, but you'll also see him 66 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,879 on Dark Eckos. So I'm going to bring you out. Tom. Welcome, 67 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,839 Welcome to the show, my friend. Where are you there? You 68 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:50,959 are you? A? Hey? What's going on? Good? I'm so 69 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,079 glad you came on, and I'm so glad you're going to be able to, 70 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:58,920 you know, to come back to Pennsylvania with me for the other show 71 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:01,120 that we're doing, the other episod so that we're doing. But you're involved 72 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,720 with the paranormal archangel of the paranormal that's sort of your thing, right, 73 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:11,199 that's your name? How did you get that? Long long, long time 74 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:16,279 ago, we're talking almost twenty five years. I was just king. Yeah. 75 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,839 It was almost the point where, after having years of experience doing this 76 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,839 and a lot of times I would go in and help other investigators that could 77 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,319 solve issues in people's homes, to the point where it was almost like, 78 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,879 you know, when I hate to describe it this way, when God sent 79 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,560 the archangel Michael to defeat the devil in battle and all that, so it 80 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,759 was almost like I felt like my calling was to help others defeat the problems 81 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,759 they were having. And it's almost like something that caught on somebody like mention 82 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:54,439 it to me one time in passing. It's almost like, you know, 83 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,680 hey, you helped us out and it just caught on and it just stuck 84 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,040 with me kind of stuff. Yeah, you know, when you have years 85 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:10,879 of experience doing this. I'm not a demonologist, but I've studied demonology parapsychology, 86 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,360 and like I've said before, i'm you know, jack of all trades 87 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:19,439 and the paranormal master of none. But you know, I'm always at it. 88 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:24,240 I never give up on a client or anything like that. So I'm 89 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,000 pretty ferocious when it comes to helping people be able to sleep at night and 90 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,519 overcome their issues. Do you do a lot of home cases? Still are 91 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,000 not so much anymore, Not too much anymore. I'm doing a lot of 92 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:45,120 promotions, doing a lot of para cons. I'm actually almost in instructor mode 93 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:47,639 where we do a lot of events where people come that are new to the 94 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:50,800 paranormal want to get into it, and I try and help them learn no 95 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:56,279 one on one exactly, So when they come to our events and I'm in 96 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:00,199 teaching mode, so I want to show them people that are interested, and 97 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,240 I take them aside and just you know, help them out. There's some 98 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:07,079 people that are all at different levels, so it's almost like whether I'm dealing 99 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,319 with or talking with one on one, I know where they're at and what 100 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,839 I could do to try and help them out, and always let him know 101 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:16,240 that. You know, my phone's always there if you need me to help 102 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:22,279 you out. So what's your What is your process? If someone calls you 103 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:24,920 or emails you and says, hey, I have a problem. I have 104 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:28,319 a spirit in my house, it's you know, doing whatever it does. 105 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,440 Yeah, a lot of the processes is first you want to make sure people 106 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,759 aren't nuts. But you know, having a psychology background, you know, 107 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:43,039 because some people just want attention anything like that, you really have to dig 108 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,320 in get a good history. I know some people have little questionnaires that they 109 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,039 go over. After doing this for a while, it's almost like it's all 110 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,120 up in my head, so I know exactly what type of questions I'm going 111 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,679 to ask where I'm at, what I'm dealing with. Could it be them, 112 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:01,440 could it be this, you know, it could be spirits in there. 113 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,200 Did they just change their medication something? Like that. It could be 114 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:11,080 just about anything. I'm very into trying to find out exactly what's going on 115 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:13,360 first, and history is a big thing for me too. I need to 116 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:18,360 know every inch of history of a place. Also, I do my due 117 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:22,440 diligence and all that, because I don't want to just say, oh, 118 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,399 I think it's this. I want to make sure that I know ninety eight 119 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,320 percent sure that that's what it is. Because you're never going to be perfect 120 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,080 in the paranormal. So I've said it before. My favorite quote is, 121 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,840 you're never one hundred percent right. You're never one hundred percent wrong about the 122 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,120 paranormal. That's why it's paranormal. And you have to do your best with 123 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:46,120 your experiences that you have to be able to come up with a solution and 124 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,399 how you're going to move energy from the house, or how to heal whatever 125 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,120 is there. Whether I have to heal the people that are there because sometimes 126 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:58,639 there are traumas they manifest these hauntings or is it the spirit trying to tell 127 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,279 their story? Do I have to heal them to give them the words to 128 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,600 make the decision if they want to move on or not, or figure out 129 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:11,759 how to live with the other people of the home right right, because I 130 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,600 you know, I don't know if you can't get I mean, you kill 131 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,000 you. Theoretically, you know you can cross people. But I feel like 132 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,519 they don't want to go. They're not going to go. No, they 133 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:22,639 have to make their own decision. It's the same thing if you are a 134 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,879 smoker and you know I told you quit smoking, but it's until you make 135 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:30,879 that decision to listen to my words, you're just going to keep smoking. 136 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,000 So it's the spirit world they still have, you know, in theory, 137 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,559 they still have free will when they're in that plane. So to make that 138 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:50,039 decision to move along or stay exactly A Betsy Williams out and she says, 139 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:54,519 hey, hey, to Thomas, here we are. Hey Betsy, she's 140 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,039 got the she's got the best smile in the paranormal. So you know, 141 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,519 yeah, she smiles with her her smile and her eyes all smile at the 142 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:07,360 same time. Well, I got to tell you after blackout, I'm usually 143 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,960 the most handsome guy in paranoral, but only after you turn the light. 144 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,399 Oh, it's funny. I wanted to tell you, Christina. You know 145 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:18,799 I've told Scott this one time before. I think he was on a podcast 146 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,080 and I mentioned it. I think I've known Scott for over twenty lifetimes. 147 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,440 That's why we kind of cut it up. Wow, something I've learned over 148 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,559 those twenty lifetimes is Scott's dad jokes are worse than mine. So yes, 149 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:41,960 oh my gosh, dad joke every single reliable. My sons will just say, 150 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:48,919 why didn't you just go on dad jokes dot com? Oh it's funny. 151 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,039 Today today at work, one of the guys, he's our detailer, 152 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,759 and he's really gotten into the paranormal and I kind of talked to him about 153 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,480 all the stuff we're doing and being on tonight and all that, and he 154 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:03,200 had gotten a book for he went to fly somewhere and he just bought the 155 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,720 book to read on the plane. He only read on the plane. It's 156 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,159 a book of dad jokes. And he actually gave it to me today, 157 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:15,440 So that's kind of funny. Might have to pull it out and recite him. 158 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:20,360 I don't know. They just kind of they just kind of happened. 159 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,039 Oh yeah, they they got they got to be natural, they got to 160 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:31,879 fit the situations. Organic, very organic, exactly true. I have to 161 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:35,799 tell you you you intrigued me one when we were driving to Pennsylvania. He 162 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,120 had the time in the car and one of the things that intrigues me is 163 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:46,320 that you are a profiler sort of, but you profile the ghosts, the 164 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,279 spirits, yeah, anything on that nature, because you know, I think 165 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,080 we talked about this before, but what I used to do for a living 166 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,600 is, you know, when you work with the prisoners and all that, 167 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:09,240 and you're in a situation of trying to quell things in the different region with 168 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,840 crisis management, you have to learn all about the inmates, so you learn 169 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,720 the psychology of them. You to the point where you have to profile. 170 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:20,879 So something goes off at one of the prisons, you have to be prepared 171 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,919 with your team and how you're going to approach it. So after I left 172 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:30,200 the prison, I almost with that knowledge, I started having a hobby of 173 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:35,360 profiling historic serial killers and just trying to figure out, Okay, what makes 174 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:41,279 them click? It's up, Matt, And you know when you do that. 175 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,480 It came to the point where I started doing it a lot and became, 176 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:46,360 you know, a little bit known for that. I've done an other 177 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,399 podcasts about profiling historic serial killers and all that, and I do a little 178 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:56,120 thing on TikTok and Facebook and Instagram. On Tuesdays, I call it Tuesday 179 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:03,120 Morning Cereal, just a little snippet of sixty seconds about weird things that serial 180 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,039 killers have done and all of But I think it's more for me is educating 181 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:13,879 people about them, because in our lifetimes, we go, we'll intermingle with 182 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:20,559 thirty seven serial killers, so that's like none really in our lifetime, and 183 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:22,720 you have to be prepared. So when I tell these stories, it's not 184 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:28,679 to glorify them. It's to prepare people to know how crazy some people are 185 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:31,960 out there that are walking around, and be prepared for the red flags that 186 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,080 you might see, how some of these people are brought up. And when 187 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,519 you know those things, you're less likely to put yourself in a situation. 188 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:41,639 You know, when you're out or about, you know, make sure you 189 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:46,240 walk with somebody to the car in a situation that you're unaware of. It's 190 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,279 just safety of it, you know, being you know, ex law enforcement. 191 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,039 Those are the things I do. I used to do bodyguard work, 192 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,559 So those are the things that you have to help people with and be aware 193 00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:58,919 of those things that keep them safe. So you know, it's not glorifying 194 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,240 them. I don't care what anybody says I'll never glorify somebody that murders people. 195 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,759 That's it's nuts. So and I want to remember the victims in their 196 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:13,039 families and all that and what they went through and they keep other families from 197 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:20,519 going through that too, and but well, let me. I'm really interested 198 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:26,840 though, in how you do it with someone who's not here, how you 199 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:33,600 translate into the paranormal, like into into well, okay, as an example, 200 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:35,799 we talked about Adam at the Shanley Hotel, and I don't know if 201 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:41,519 you've had any we have talked about how do you know somebody like that when 202 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:43,879 we don't really you know, all you're getting is their spirit. Well, 203 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:48,879 a lot of times it is that communication, especially somebody like yourself that picks 204 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,600 up on it and what they're telling you, how they're delivering it. It's 205 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:58,840 with anything. Most serial killers always give those red flags, and if you 206 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:03,840 know what you're looking for and that type of trauma they've had through a lifetime 207 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,399 and why they do the things they do. It's to the point where I'll 208 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:11,320 talk about, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer, all right, A lot of 209 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:18,080 people don't realize is Jeffrey Dahmer. You know, he grew up, his 210 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,480 mother left, his father wasn't really there for him. He felt abandoned and 211 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:29,120 that manifested. That trauma manifested later on. And you know that's why he 212 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,919 consumed people because he didn't want them to leave him, so he consumed them 213 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:36,440 so they would always be with him. So when he killed them, he 214 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,600 didn't want them to leave, so he consumed them. That's, you know, 215 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,960 the trauma that comes in with it. Now, it's with anything when 216 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,440 you know the trauma, whether it be the living. Sometimes I have to 217 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:51,960 profile the living that I'm working a case for or the dead when you get 218 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,480 the history, how did they die? What? You know, if you 219 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,320 could find out who lived in the house, if I'm contacted with them, 220 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,879 But you have to discern that also because you don't necessarily be talking to those 221 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:06,559 people. You know, somebody could be disguising has those people. You never 222 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,160 know what spirit you're talking to. So it's very important to know the history 223 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:15,200 and to discern those types of things because you have to be able to do 224 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:18,640 that, to be able to profile properly, you have to know who you're 225 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,759 talking to. You have to know the history, and then you have to 226 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:26,319 take that psychology part of it too, just because they don't have the shell 227 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,920 anymore, they still have that ability to have that trauma that might be holding 228 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:36,200 them here. You know, it's an old shaman thing where trauma holds us 229 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,799 back, where your spirit could die, but also the trauma still there holding 230 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:45,079 you back. It almost becomes two figures. It's been known in the paranormal 231 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:51,160 that there's a spirit there, but al sudden in the background, I've seen 232 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:56,279 shadows along with the spirit, almost like they're two people, and that shadow 233 00:17:56,319 --> 00:18:00,240 is to trauma that holds them here on this plane or whatever you want to 234 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:03,839 call it, or how because we don't know where we go afterwards, if 235 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,680 it's different planes, different whatever, but that trauma holds I had a case 236 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:15,880 where a gentleman passed away in this basement of this art gallery, which wasn't 237 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,720 an art gallery at the time, but when we did a Estes method with 238 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,000 you know, my friend who was a psychic medium, so she had everything 239 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:30,000 on and she was channeling the gentleman that died. But every time we asked 240 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,960 him do you want to still be here? And all that, he would, 241 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,680 you know, say help, and we try and help him. But 242 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:38,559 then all of a sudden, we had the Sols camera going at the same 243 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:41,440 time. If you know, your audience knows, it's like the green stick 244 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,440 figures that picks up energy and you could communicate. So I have the stick 245 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,680 figure of her sitting there, and then the gentleman has he's talking, she's 246 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,559 talking. He appears. But then every time I tried to tell him, 247 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,079 you have free will, you don't need to be here anymore, trying to 248 00:18:56,079 --> 00:18:59,559 get him to make the decision to move on, all of a sudden his 249 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,240 demeanor would change and another figure would pop up, and then he'd start swearing 250 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:07,000 at us. But then when the figure goes away, he asks for help 251 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,839 again. It was almost like he was stuck and that trauma was still there 252 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,440 of him not knowing that he died. He was an alcoholic street person, 253 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:18,880 so it's almost like he died during a point where he didn't know that he 254 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,240 split and it's still there holding him back, and we're trying to figure out 255 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:26,799 how to help him heal to move on. We're you know, I'm still 256 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:30,319 working on that case. You know, it's not instantaneous. I know people 257 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,119 like watch a lot of TV and all that, but everything doesn't happen one 258 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,920 day. Yeah, and that's that's a hard it's a hard case. But 259 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,160 I think, you know, I think we're on the better part of it 260 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:47,160 right now, and I really want to help that that spirit move on because 261 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,960 I feel so bad that he's being held back by a trauma that he's got 262 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,559 to know that it can't hold him here. He has that free will to 263 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,000 go and he just needs to make that decision and hopefully if we keep at 264 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:03,519 it, that'll happen. Yeah. It's really an interesting service because you know, 265 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:07,640 they are they're not I mean, they're people, but they're not physical 266 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,559 people. They can't get up and walk out of your room like they can 267 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:15,000 walk out, and so you're dealing with a spirit that I mean, it's 268 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:21,400 so not concrete, you know, I don't know what I'm thinking of, 269 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,200 but it's so it's a very different way of looking at things. You know, 270 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:29,680 you can't I don't know if you can reason with them like you can 271 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,359 reason with people, and you don't know if you're getting through. You can't 272 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:38,039 get facial expressions or body language or any of that to know how they are. 273 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:44,039 You know, it is it's almost like you know when you meet somebody 274 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:45,319 and you're like oh, I really like this person, and you get that 275 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,240 feeling and all that. But me being an EmPATH, you know, I 276 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:55,880 feel those energies and it's like when I'm dealing with certain spirits, I sometimes 277 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,880 feel that I feel like I'm getting through, you know, you get that 278 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:03,799 feeling like things have changed, the energy changes in the right direction or something 279 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,440 like that, or you know. I use my instrumentation to verify what I'm 280 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,079 feeling. So if I feel something there, I put as les camera. 281 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,480 Then something pops up and I say, hey, can you wave? And 282 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:17,240 it waves. I know I might have an audience, and then I'm going 283 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:21,559 to try and you know, communicate that way with my voice recorder and whatever 284 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:25,599 way it wants to come through, whether it be visually or whether it be 285 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:30,000 you know, through the voice recorder and all that. Because I I don't 286 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,440 hear Scott, you know, I know you could pick up on things, 287 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,519 giving you messages and all that. I don't pick up things that way. 288 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:40,440 I just know when things are there, and it gives me the ability to 289 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:44,279 be able to say, Okay, let me check it out with the piece 290 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:48,400 of equipment. Yeah, is that a voice in Yeah? That's yeah, 291 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:56,400 Yeah, that's my uh okay, well that's my talking to the cat about 292 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,480 that. First time we've had voices come through on this. That's why I 293 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:06,119 was acting. I'm like that always. Here them a couple of the ghost 294 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:12,519 to my fiance and cat. They're alive. We had a cat come through 295 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:17,000 it. Hear the cat me owing. There was no cat. Well, 296 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:22,359 that's cool, that's real cool. I need to go back and listen to 297 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,880 the show we did last week to see if anything came through. I didn't 298 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,240 hear it during the show, but you know, I don't always hear it 299 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:32,359 during the show. Yeah, is when you pick it up. Yeah, 300 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:36,480 yeah, that Enfield House. I heard so much about it years ago when 301 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,559 really the there was a lot of talk about it in circles and all that, 302 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,279 and I can't remember who it was reached out to me and wanted me 303 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,519 to try and like check it out or whatever at one time to see what 304 00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:52,119 I thought. I don't remember what happened why I never went, But you 305 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,720 know, things happened for a reason sometimes, you know, I think the 306 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:57,279 right person went there when they needed to. You never know who's going to 307 00:22:57,319 --> 00:23:03,680 be that person that tunes in on that energy and is able to you know, 308 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,839 I don't say take control of it, because you really have no control 309 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:14,160 over something that's of that evil type of nature. From what they say. 310 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:18,160 You never know with that. But again, you know, with crisis things, 311 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,799 and I've talked about this before, but even with you know, when 312 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:27,640 you're dealing with supposed demon or anything like that, it's just like crisis management 313 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:33,640 or once you know somebody's name and all that, you have control over it. 314 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:36,799 So and I think that's why a lot of exorcisms and all that are 315 00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:40,599 done they try and get the name of the demon. But it's with anything. 316 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,160 When I deal with somebody and once I know their name, it humanizes 317 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,680 them, it brings them back down. And it's just with anything, whether 318 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:55,519 I'm humanizing a spirit that may not be a demon, just might be an 319 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,440 angry spirit, which is a majority of the time. You know, I've 320 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,519 been doing this for a long time. I don't think I've run into anything 321 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,640 that evil that I know of, but you know, you never know. 322 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,319 It's that discernment. Sometimes you might miss what you're doing. I've had a 323 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:17,400 lot of cases where I've second guessed myself. So, hey, Lauren Irene, 324 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:22,920 earlier I forgot to say, either you have you dealt with anything that 325 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:29,400 you feel has been evil like that non human evil. Yeah, I'm still 326 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:34,000 second guessing myself. You know, we're talking over a year later. I 327 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:38,559 had a case here in Connecticut, up in the Suffield area, and we 328 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:44,000 coined it the murder House. This house. When we did the history of 329 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:49,039 it, we find out back in the nineteen twenties that the people that lived 330 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:52,160 there, it was a man, his wife, has six children. It 331 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,960 was a tobacco field that he curated and all that, and he had people 332 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,720 working. So there was a house right by that had people working for him. 333 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,240 And he had gone away on a trip to New York for some business, 334 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:07,960 come back, found on his wife cheated on one of the boarders that 335 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,240 are and became enraged and bludgeoned her to death in front of his six children 336 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,440 and killed her right there. What was the kitchen at the time, But 337 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:21,960 when this house renovated over the years, there was a back room that used 338 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,279 to be the kitchen. Now, the people that lived in this house were 339 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,279 three guys that looked like big motorcycle guys and all that. You wouldn't think 340 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,079 they'd be afraid of anything. Well, they reached out to us because in 341 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,359 the house. They kept getting you know, they had cameras up. They 342 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,119 kept getting these really cool looking orbs where I was like, yeah, that's 343 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,160 not dust, that's not bugs, that's you know, that's actually the way 344 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,279 it's moving. There's something down there that doesn't make sense. And they were 345 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:53,759 getting poltergeists activity where the basement door was opening and closing at night, opening 346 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,559 and slamming, opening and slamming, to the point where they rolled the couch 347 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,799 against it at night so they could try and get some sleep. They would 348 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,799 have sleep, Yeah, they would get sleep paralysis, feel like something was 349 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,160 sitting on them. You know, they had a one time they were out 350 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,359 partying and I know I don't think they were drunk at the time, but 351 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:17,319 they had a beer can move at least three feet across the table, which 352 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,559 I know sometimes with oyster it will move a little bit, but not not 353 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,440 that far. Shadow figures in the back and all that. So they're still, 354 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:29,519 you know, pretty freaked out. So yeah, there's tons of stuff 355 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:33,119 going on. But you know, we ended up going and and and doing 356 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,480 the interviewing them and all that and determined they're they're not you know, they're 357 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,880 they're on the up and up and we went to go investigate the home and 358 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,000 hes, We're going, Hi, Cathy, So hes we're going going through 359 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:55,039 the home. I had an SLS camera up and a friend that I was 360 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:57,160 working with at the time, Jenna Beth. She's the psychic medium, and 361 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,519 so she had her phone going and trying to say, Hey, is anybody 362 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,799 there, And all of a sudden, I had that feeling, you know, 363 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:11,240 and the whole shift of energy changed. My hair stood up on me, 364 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:12,440 and then all of a sudden, two figures pop up in front of 365 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,920 me, and one of the figures looked like it was bludgeting, the other 366 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,000 one like it was re enacting the murder from the nineteen twenties. So I 367 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,400 started trying to communicate. I didn't know if it was residual or if I 368 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,559 could communicate with it, but it made it look like it was residual. 369 00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:33,720 But as I communicated, the one stick figure that like moved away, and 370 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:36,480 as I said, you can't do this anymore. This happened in the past. 371 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,720 We can't keep this going on. So trying to talk, bangs on 372 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:44,640 the wall started going off as loud as twenty two gunshots, but on the 373 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,039 video it didn't sound as loud, but being there it was like freaky. 374 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,359 I mean, anytime it hit it was almost like I felt like PTSD, 375 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:53,759 like a gunshot, going oh my god, what's going on? So I 376 00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:57,559 was banging or just trying to hang in there, and you know, finally 377 00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:02,680 the banging stops and the other figures there and it, you know, it's 378 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,559 kind of like rolling like this, almost like it was her. I said, 379 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:08,359 if you're the woman and you don't want to be here anymore, if 380 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,920 you don't want this to stop, I'm going to reach my hand out. 381 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,920 All you got to do is touch it, and you can make the decision 382 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,920 to move on. You have free will. So I put my hand out 383 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,519 and you could see on the video the stick figure reaches out and then disappears 384 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:26,319 off the sols camera, and then everything just calmed for just like a minute. 385 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,319 But when we entered this place, there was over eight spirits that she 386 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,920 picked up on. But the thing was is we went through to bless the 387 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,920 house, try to get litter of the negative energy, keep the good energy 388 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,880 in there. If some of the spirits there were family members that we picked 389 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,319 up on, there was one spirit that seemed to be hiding from us in 390 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:47,920 the basement, and I was concerned with this. So when we did the 391 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,079 initial blessing and all that, I felt like I didn't feel like it went 392 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,200 right, you know, because sometimes it doesn't always work on the first time. 393 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,839 So we left and at the time my burner that I was working with, 394 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,160 she and her husband went to Lake George and she called me at five 395 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,960 in the morning. She felt the energy of the house followed her to Lake 396 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,359 George and tried to choke her in her sleep. So we're like, this 397 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,720 thing's mad at us, and I'm like, this is not good. And 398 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:22,200 then you know, she came home and a couple days later, I was 399 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,359 sleeping and I had this weird dream of this woman dressed in that old Burger 400 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,559 King outfit, you know, the brown and the orange, and remember that 401 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,440 old burger came her way back and that mask was looking Oh yeah, it 402 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,279 was horrible, and she she was like yelling at me and then grabbed me 403 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,160 by the neck started choking me, and I'm like, oh, and I 404 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,799 wake up and I still felt the handmarks on my neck and it felt like 405 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,480 attached again, like it came through that way. I don't know why Burger 406 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:52,359 King made no sense to me. But the thing is is I knew we 407 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,240 didn't do something enough. We had to go back. So before we went 408 00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:02,240 back, usually when I do a house blessing, I leave a recorder going, 409 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,880 and I was like, well, I was so busy at the time 410 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,079 because it was like a busy time of the year, and I said, 411 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,640 let me listen to the recording before we go back again, just to see. 412 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,599 And the recorder was going down in the basement because that was where most 413 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:21,319 of the activity was they were saying was coming from. So I'm listening to 414 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:26,240 it, and all of a sudden, I heard this evil laugh and then 415 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:32,759 this metal poll drop. But you could hear Jennibeth and I talking upstairs, 416 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,680 and I hear this down there, so I know it was downstairs, and 417 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,799 I'm like, that's the thing that was hiding from us, So we have 418 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,240 to do something about that. So we go back and Jennibeth, you know, 419 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:49,359 she's does the shamanistic practices, so you know the pagan intent. We 420 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,000 did something different, which most people when they bless the house, they do 421 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:57,039 it a certain way they're used to, so we decided to do something unprecedented. 422 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,759 So we decided to bless the house for different ways. So we did 423 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:03,920 a pagan blessing of shaman blessing, and we did the you know, the 424 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,920 Christian blessing and did a Tibetan healing bowl and all that. We just threw 425 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,839 the whole kitchen sink at this place, yeah, because we're failing, Like, 426 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,160 hey, you know, I think the property had some Indian energy to 427 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,759 it. It had all kinds of different energy. So we did that blessing 428 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,519 and we blessed the people in the home before they left, you know, 429 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:27,359 when they come back, and we salted, We did you know, everything 430 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,480 you could think of. We were thinking of it and doing it, you 431 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:34,200 know, holy water, everything, oil, everything you could think of. 432 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:41,279 And finally they said, we've been able to sleep, and they hadn't been 433 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,599 able to sleep for like over a year and a half, so no problems. 434 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,759 But the funny thing is is a year later they decided they were going 435 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,519 to sell the house because they kind of had a falling out the three guys. 436 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,599 So whatever was in there, I don't think wanted them to leave. 437 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,119 Because once they decided and made that decision, they sent us a recording that 438 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,000 every three hours, for three minutes, they would have this loud knocking and 439 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,440 I have a recording of it that they sent and we said, well, 440 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,519 do you want us to come over and you know try and you know, 441 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,519 quell that again because you're trying to sell the house. He didn't want us 442 00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,920 to come. It's almost like his whole demeanor changed about everything going on. 443 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,440 I was like, well, I'm going to sell the house. I'm not 444 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,680 worried about it anymore. I don't care whatever else problem. Yeah, it's 445 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,160 going to be somebody else's problem. But you know which kind of you know 446 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,039 got me a little upset, So they call us. A couple of days 447 00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:37,599 later, the the realtor went in and brought a couple in and they were 448 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,720 down in the basement and she was showing him around, and a disembodied voice 449 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,400 said get the f out, and they freaked out. They went running up 450 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,680 the stairs and the disembodied voices, you're going to fall, and the guy 451 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,640 fell up the stairs. So we get a call and they told us this 452 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,720 happened, and I'm like, well, we really need to come and help 453 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,240 you. He's still didn't care. So a few days later they caused and 454 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:06,160 said that the house sold. I don't know how the realtor got it in 455 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,279 herself to go back after hearing that, but a different couple went in and 456 00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:14,279 they nothing happened, and they ended up, you know, buying them the 457 00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,440 house. I'm starting to think the spirit didn't like the other couple and didn't 458 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,319 want him there and decided to act up, or you know, something bad 459 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:28,200 could be there. I'm still second guessing myself on that certain energy that's supposedly 460 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,880 still there, whether it's evil or whatever, I don't know. It bothers 461 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,759 me and I would love to go back there, but I know from what 462 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,519 I'm hearing later on, yes, he said they sold the house, but 463 00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:46,200 when they did the inspection, I think him being standoffish and all that karma 464 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:52,880 hits you sometimes, and I guess there was severe termite damage where it would 465 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,279 cost him something like I think it was like something like seventy something thousand dollars, 466 00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,559 and he had already moved out of the house to Florida. He wasn't 467 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:01,960 even around, so for him to continue the sale of the house, he 468 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:05,880 was going to have to get that taken care of. So I don't know 469 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,519 if these people ever moved in, if it ever got done, or if 470 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,880 it's still on the market. So but I can't tell anybody where the place 471 00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,119 was, just it was in subfield. And even if they track the guy 472 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:20,039 when he murdered, the street name's changed back in the day to what they 473 00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,119 are now, so it'd be very hard to track that unless you know, 474 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,719 you talk to the lady that got us all the history. But we knew 475 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,079 everything about the guy when he went to jail. We knew every inmate he 476 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,079 had during the whole time he was in jail. That's how much information we 477 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,679 had. But that's what I do. That's where the going down the rabbit 478 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,079 hole comes from. I've been known to be a ferocious historian historic I don't 479 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,400 jump into everything and all that, and I make sure that I know everything 480 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,760 I need to know. It's I don't know. The more research you have, 481 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,119 the more information you have on something like that, it helps you separate 482 00:34:55,199 --> 00:35:00,239 the lore from the truth. You know, you need to separate those two, 483 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:04,880 need the actual facts exactly. That's why a lot of historic places they're 484 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,239 tough because there's a lot of lore and then you have to really weigh what's 485 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,880 real what's not. And then sometimes some of these historians still use the lore. 486 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,039 You know, you have to really do your due diligence. Sometimes you 487 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:21,199 have to take in who's given you the history too. Are they just trying 488 00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,880 to promote their town or are they actually giving you the exact stuff that you 489 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,519 need, because that could happen. You really have to know who you're talking 490 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,639 to and how they're delivering it. Are they giving me the real information or 491 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:37,280 are they just trying to promote the area or that certain facility. Yeah, 492 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:43,639 it's interesting because you know, when I was in Connecticut on Sunday, I 493 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,719 went through without any equipment. I mean, I didn't have anything with me, 494 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,000 and it was what I was able to pick up psychically, and it 495 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:58,039 was interesting what the owner of the house was able to corroborate, you know, 496 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,480 and let me know that. Yeah, that makes sense. And you 497 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:04,079 know, what you're feeling is what we felt, and what you're hearing is 498 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,039 you know, telling us is what we know or what we feel. But 499 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:09,480 it'll be really interesting to go back with the equipment to back that up and 500 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:14,719 see if any of that comes through. The interesting thing, and I will 501 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,679 say this about the house, you know, I feel like there was these 502 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,159 stories of there was a demon there now, you know. I mean, 503 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,679 look, I've had people call, you know, everybody's got a demon. 504 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,360 Everybody's got a portal, you know what I mean, in their house. 505 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:36,800 But I will say this about the Demon House, is that I was the 506 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,760 only one that detected this, probably because it was psychically, but in a 507 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:49,559 certain part of the house, I detected rotting flesh, that sick smell. 508 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,000 I've never gotten that on an investigation before. I had no equipment, there 509 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,159 was no reason for it. There was nothing, you know, in that 510 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,440 It was like they had food hanging around. There's nobody that even lives in 511 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,960 that part of the house. There was nothing. I don't know what it 512 00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,440 was, but that was the first thing I thought, is that there's something 513 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:21,079 festering there that's just I don't know, just just there, aren't they What's 514 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,760 that I'm saying in the house, Well, it's a duplex, so they 515 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,880 live on one side and then the other side. They couldn't keep tenants and 516 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,920 they kept leaving because they were having so many issues. Now, they told 517 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,800 me that, you know, when they first had this problem, when they 518 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,840 first moved in seventeen years earlier, sixteen years before, it was really bad. 519 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:51,639 I mean they were getting shadow animals and crawlers and just and and it's 520 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,480 not like that now they thought it was gone. I'm not sure it is. 521 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,800 I'm really not sure it is. It feels to me like it's just 522 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:07,159 dormant. And I don't know why I would get that smell mm hm. 523 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:13,440 You know, it's letting, it's letting, you know. From what I've 524 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,599 heard, I think the person that finally kind of cleared the house up a 525 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:23,079 little bit, there was almost like a spiritual deal made or something. From 526 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,800 the best way to describe it. A lot of times things are still. 527 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,159 There's just what I talked about the murder house. You know, we clear 528 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:34,679 that the people are able to sleep, but then when they decide to move, 529 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:42,079 something becomes undormant and starts. You know, I think it's the energy 530 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,360 and all that could change. It's just with anything us as human beings, 531 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,440 you know, you love each other and all that, but all of a 532 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,440 sudden, somebody gets into a fight and then there's bad energy and all that. 533 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,440 It's almost like the spirits there. It's waiting to, you know, 534 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,559 have somebody go against their word. So when I think, as far as 535 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:06,960 I know, the person that helped clear this house out has kept their word, 536 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,599 and I think whatever else was there kept their word, and it's almost 537 00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:14,280 like I think the way it's going to be in me have crossed. I 538 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,000 think they may be dead. I think they passed away. If I'm not 539 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:19,880 mistaken, I might be wrong on that, but I feel like the person 540 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,519 passed away. Well. I think one part of the deal was that they 541 00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,599 would step away and not do this kind of work anymore. Exactly. That's 542 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,840 that's the what I what I heard and all that. And you know, 543 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,119 but like I told you, you know a lot of that. You have 544 00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,639 to have faith in who you are, you know, higher being and all 545 00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:45,840 that when you deal with those types of things. You know, when I 546 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,000 go into a home, I know it's not me helping. You know, 547 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,519 it's a higher power that backs you up. Hence, you know I don't 548 00:39:54,599 --> 00:40:00,880 use that archangel, the paranormal lightly. I'm not going to get all you 549 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,679 know, religious, it's spiritual with me. I know, I know I'm 550 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,519 protected, and I have the confidence that my higher power is protecting me, 551 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:15,559 and then I go in to try and protect others. And that's why I 552 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,199 do what I do. You know, whether it be the living that needs 553 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,920 to be protected, or the debt that needs to be protected, or anything 554 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,400 like that you know, these things that we don't understand. You know, 555 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,880 we never will, but enough understanding, like I said, use my knowledge 556 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,239 of what I know and what I perceive and hopefully I have enough knowledge to 557 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:42,320 quell those things or anything like that, or work as a team. I 558 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:49,039 don't work with a lot of people's yat with. I don't work with a 559 00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:52,320 lot of people. I've worked with people in the past, and it's almost 560 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000 like I feel with a lot of the work I do, I don't want 561 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,320 to put people in danger. I'd rather check out a place first and then 562 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,000 determine, you know, who I might be able to bring in to maybe 563 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:08,199 help out, because it's almost like certain people have certain abilities that might help 564 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,039 out. You know, it's like, hey, if I had a plumbing 565 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,840 issue, I'm going to get a plumber. So this type of paranormal that 566 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,840 I know somebody's good at and might call them in or all that. So 567 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,000 you know, there's a lot of people that you get a good rollodex over 568 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,400 the years of people that you could call. But I tend to work by 569 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,039 myself on cases and all that. I know a lot of people say you 570 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,039 shouldn't, but after all this time, I think it's different. I'm not 571 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,119 new, so I think I know the risk and all that. But I 572 00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,599 do have people on call if I go somewhere, you know, people know 573 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:42,440 where I am or anything like that. If anything to happen, someone that 574 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,599 always exactly, So you have to have that. You never know. But 575 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,320 you know, I'm pretty well protected. You know, I got the good 576 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,480 background, so it was good. The eyes behind my head. You know, 577 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:58,800 you never know, because sometimes the the living could be more dangerous than 578 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,599 the dead. So that's you gotta be careful. Yeah, in some of 579 00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:06,679 these cases, you know, they seem to check out all right, but 580 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,000 then all of a sudden, just the Doctor Jekyll and mister Hige kicks in. 581 00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:13,800 But you know, it's hard to deal with home cases. They could 582 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,480 be very dangerous and you have to know what you're doing. You can't. 583 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,199 I think you got to have some years under your belt before you really do 584 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,760 them. And you have to study. You got to read a lot, 585 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:34,119 You got to work with other people experience. Yeah, work with experienced investigators 586 00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:36,960 exactly. You know, I like I told you, you know, I 587 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,400 started off for a couple of years. I learned some of the in ins 588 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,159 and outs early on in life with you know, back in the mid eighties, 589 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,679 I got my start with Edel Lorraine Warren. But you know, they're 590 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,400 very religious to the point where how they do things and all that. And 591 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,800 then after you know, I went off to college, I kind of became 592 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,599 dormant for a little while. And then after my mom passed away twenty twelve, 593 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:01,480 you know, I was always doing stuff, but I think I really 594 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,880 dove in after that and made more of a commitment to help people because you 595 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,440 know, hey, I was mourning for my mom's loss and almost to the 596 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,079 point where I did I want people to have to go through that. Sometimes 597 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:20,159 you console people that have past loved ones. It's understanding the possibility of what 598 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,880 might happen to us after we leave our shell and join the spirit world and 599 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:31,480 whatever that means. So yeah, I agree. Interesting, I don't know, 600 00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:40,679 I think that I think being able to navigate through the sea of information 601 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,719 that you get is really a gift in and of itself, because I mean, 602 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,280 I know you have a background that you know, I don't have the 603 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,119 background and the things that you have, but it's hard to weave through. 604 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,119 You know, once you've gotten past the fact that they're not crazy, then 605 00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:00,119 you get you know, well, what is this and who do I need 606 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:05,400 to help me? Do I need someone to help me? I think navigating 607 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,880 that is. See. I tend to be somewhat skeptical. And I don't 608 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,239 mean skeptical. I mean I am skeptical, but I'm skeptical of people, 609 00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:21,199 and I don't know that I I don't think I have the ability to get 610 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,280 through the first part of it, like are you crazy? Because that's just 611 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,679 where my mind goes, Like I feel like you're guilty until prove it innocent. 612 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,599 I feel, you know, if you're telling me that it just started 613 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:35,679 happening, I get skeptical. You know, you've lived in the house for 614 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,400 ten years, but it just started happening. Or that you're seeing faces on 615 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:45,559 your dinner napkins, you know, stuff like that makes me go, I 616 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,360 don't know, I'm not so sure about this. But if you just moved 617 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,400 into the house and there's something, I'm still not saying it's paranormal, but 618 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:54,639 I feel a little better about it. But I feel like some of these 619 00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:59,000 things it's just too you know, you've been around long enough to know it 620 00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,599 just doesn't really manifest that way. You know, it's not going to show 621 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:08,159 up on your internet. But you're right, you're right, But you can 622 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:15,000 never disregard anything. I've learned a long time ago that yes, just because 623 00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:19,280 we think it can't happen, doesn't mean it can't happen, all right. 624 00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,920 Those are the things that you have to discern. I know a lot of 625 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,599 people they make fun of, Oh, that's just dust, that's a dust 626 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,599 orb, or that's a bug or anything like that. What we really need 627 00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:34,800 to look at is, you know, with this, if you look at 628 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,280 something like that, like a dust kickup, who's to say that a spirit 629 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,400 didn't create that dust kickup to get your attention and that's why that appeared that 630 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,519 way. We don't know everybody's like, yeah, that's just dust, or 631 00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:52,039 you don't want to just pooh pooh anybody, or anything like that. You 632 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,119 really have to take everything in. You really have to read people their eye 633 00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:59,400 movement, their body language. Are they telling me the truth? What's really 634 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,719 going on here? What is making them talk this way? You know, 635 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,639 sometimes it's saying spirit attachment changes people's demeanor or anything like that. Sometimes you 636 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:12,360 could tell when somebody has an attachment just by how they're acting, or if 637 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,360 you talk to their family and they say, well, yeah, well a 638 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,840 few months ago, all of a sudden this started happening. What's the trauma 639 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,880 that's going on. Is it's something psychological or is this spirit like doing something? 640 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,920 And it just gets to the point it gets so crazy and it you 641 00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:32,679 have to have critical thinking. You have to think outside the box. It's 642 00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:36,679 not easy, you know. I know a lot of people do this, 643 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,639 and I've talked about it like before. There's so much different types of paranormal. 644 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,719 You know, people are good at certain things and all that. And 645 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,880 I always claim, you know, I always say that it's like music. 646 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,920 So you know music, you know, some people like countries, some people 647 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,559 like rock, whatever. It's just like paranormal. Some people are into the 648 00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:01,480 demonology, some people are in the spiritual side, some people read terror cards. 649 00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,880 But it's still all paranormal, you know, just like country and rock. 650 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,719 Yeah. So, but I'm never gonna tell them you can't do it 651 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,519 that way. Nobody knows the right way, you know. It all comes 652 00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,400 down to you. And I talk about this in my talks all the time. 653 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,519 When I start a conversation, when I talk to you know whoere we're 654 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,920 at a para con or anything like that you don't have to believe anything I 655 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,760 say. You know, these are my experiences, this is what happened to 656 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,400 me. You know, I could talk about my my murder house. Some 657 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,840 people that are listening tonight says, yeah, he's probably full of it, 658 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,960 but no, that's what I experienced. That's what happened to me there. 659 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,800 Whether you're gonna believe it or not, it doesn't matter to me because that 660 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,400 was my experience. In my experience. If that helps you understand the paranormal 661 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,559 a little better or it helps heal you, then I did my job. 662 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,000 But I don't expect you to believe everything I say because you never know. 663 00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,840 But that was my experience. That's what I got from and over all these 664 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,639 years, these are experiences that I've had. But not everybody's gonna have the 665 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,480 same experience. Everybody has a different fingerprint, you know, so everybody experiences 666 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,920 things very much differently. But you know, after a while, I could 667 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,159 give information and if that helps you move on or you know, you're gonna 668 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,320 get a lot of people in this industry to say, ah, you're full 669 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,800 of it all this other stuff, that's fine too. I don't mind because 670 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:27,599 no matter what you say, you can't change the experience I had. True. 671 00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:31,440 Let you know, you said you can tell sometimes when someone has an 672 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,239 attachment by how they mean, what is that look? It's it's almost the 673 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:43,400 eye movement, you know. It's just it's sometimes it's unnatural, and it 674 00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:47,639 is the old saying that your eyes are the the picture to your soul. 675 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,679 It's almost like you could tell by looking somebody in the eyes when something isn't 676 00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:00,280 right, something is off. Isn't a psychological thing, this is something that 677 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:06,280 they're not acting normal. It's a discernment. Am I really good at it? 678 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,440 No? I think there's people that are better at it. But I 679 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:14,719 think it comes down to, you know, reading them like that. Just 680 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,320 from my law enforcement background and dealing with people that have twenty four to seven 681 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,960 to try and get one over on you. They're always trying to manipulate you, 682 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,320 and you're in that psychologically day in and day out for the years that 683 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,800 I did it. You know, you don't know, so you never know. 684 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,519 Tom. There's a question here. Mary Alice says, when someone has 685 00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,199 an attachment, do you mean an evil attachment? Can there be an attachment 686 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,599 that's not evil? Well, yeah, there's tons of things that you know, 687 00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:49,119 sometimes people don't know their psychic and something could channel through you just trying 688 00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:53,400 to get their story out. It doesn't have to necessarily be evil. There 689 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,400 is the possibility. But again we talk about demons tonight, we talk about 690 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,719 evil. There are people that when they die, you know, there are 691 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,119 jerks in life. They're still going to be jerks. But the the possibility 692 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,840 of a demon is like point zero zero zero one. You know, buy 693 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,320 your lottery ticket. That's why they make movies about it. But you still 694 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,679 have to be prepared for it. You know that that point zero zero zero 695 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:19,480 one. You never know what it's going to happen, and you have to 696 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,920 be ready for it. You have to do your best and know that you 697 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,239 have faith and that you know higher power is working through you to help whoever 698 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,400 is going through that situation. I just want to say something on that too. 699 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,280 We only have a couple of minutes left, so I just I'll make 700 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,320 it quick. But and it's not an attachment. So I want to preface 701 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,360 this by saying it's not an attachment. But I know when I read sometimes 702 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,440 people will say to me, why why why were you doing this? Like 703 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:52,480 I'm rubbing my Yeah, you're channeling me. It would be a facial expression. 704 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,880 It could be mannerism. It could be something I said, or you 705 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:05,719 know, you say to a cert way and I feel like that's a that's 706 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,119 some It's not that they're it's not like I'm in trance, but there's something 707 00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,960 that spirit can affect you to act and do things in certain ways. They're 708 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,079 not evil. You know it's somebody's grandma. Oh, they're they're giving you 709 00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:22,320 a thought. The spirit guide's given you a thought that, hey, rub 710 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,039 your chin that way. That's how that person's father used to do it right, 711 00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:29,599 and you don't need to. Yeah, sometimes you're getting messages. I 712 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,400 guess if you see a like a rose and oh it was my aunt Rose 713 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:37,400 or whatever, that's showing you how to pervade that message. And sometimes they 714 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,199 give you that mannerism. Sometimes you don't even know why you're doing it, 715 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,360 like, you know, pick us upon it. I'm gonna have like a 716 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,119 minute and a half. Can you answer this real quick? Mary asked, 717 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,159 have you ever met someone that knew that is it? I don't know if 718 00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,000 it's new that they had an attachment or you knew that they had an attachment. 719 00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:00,400 I'm not sure what I it's funny. I was at the Connecticut Aicon 720 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,119 a couple of years ago and this gentleman came up to me. He says, 721 00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:06,239 nobody will help me. I've had this attachment for years and all this 722 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,519 other stuff. And he was pretty wild about it. I think, to 723 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:14,519 the point where things have been bothering him for so long that it changed his 724 00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:19,039 psychological demeanor. So it was hard to discern. But I could feel that 725 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,199 things were affecting him, but at that moment that he was out of the 726 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,719 house, it wasn't really affecting him at the time. And that's what I 727 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,840 was telling him. I says, really, it's not effect He says, 728 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,320 yeah, they're not with me now, and I said, well, that's 729 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:37,400 what I see. But I could see that psychologically it's changed him to the 730 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,039 point where I think somebody that isn't as well versed is not going to be 731 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,280 able to decipher that. They're just going to say the guy's a wacko. 732 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,719 You know. I told him it's more of I'd want to see him in 733 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,480 his home and how things changed for him after I met him. But he, 734 00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:55,280 you know, he was like very erratic and never gave me his number 735 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,840 and how to reach out to him and all that. But hopefully, you 736 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,760 know, maybe I'll see him again or something. But so I Tom, 737 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,000 I want to thank you for being here, only about a minute left. 738 00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,639 I want to thank you for being here and coming on the show tonight because 739 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:15,639 I think this is fascinating. I also want to just remind everyone please if 740 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:17,840 you want tickets to either of these events, you can go on Facebook, 741 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,599 Dark Echos Paranormal, get the link there. Go on my Facebook page. 742 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:27,280 There's a link to the events there as well, and you can you can 743 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,119 get the link and get tickets. I think there's one left in the Demon 744 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:35,880 House, and there's a few left for the Clifton five at Huntington, Pennsylvania. 745 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:37,920 So thank you for being here. Definitely have to have you back. 746 00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:40,280 What are you gonna say? Yeah, Well, I just want to let 747 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,880 everybody know if they want to go on the Haunted Trolley ride with us in 748 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,280 April, Connecticut, Para CON's coming up sale in Para Con, any of 749 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:51,159 the psychic fairs that we're doing, it's all on you know, my website 750 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,239 and I'm always posting that. Thomas Patrick Cormley Facebook Archangel the Paranormal TikTok and 751 00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,000 Instagram. All right, thank you Tom, Thanks everybody for joining us. 752 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:01,639 We'll see you next week right here on the Paranormal Project. Have a good 753 00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:07,119 night everyone. Thank you. You've been listening to The Paranormal Project radio show 754 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:17,960 with Scott Allen and Christina Bowen. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss 755 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,199 the next episode. While you're there, leave us a rating and review. 756 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,360 We'll be back next week with more exciting guests. Now, go out there 757 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,199 and explore the paranormal