The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Here are your hosts, Scott Allen and Christina
Bowen. Happy Wednesday, everyone, and welcome back to the Paranormal Project Radio
Show. Hi Christina, how are you? I am great tonight. How
are you doing? Okay? Glad, glad to be here. So last
week we were at the Enfield Demon House and I do have an announcement that
I want to make about that because I'm kind of excited. So I went
and we do have an event. Hey Ryan, Hi Bob, good to
see you. We have an event there. There's one ticket left if you
want to check out this place, and I'll talk to you more about that.
But we went to the Enfield Demon House and filmed an episode for Dark
Eckos Paranormal, which is on Amazon Prime and also Paraflex if you have access
to that. That's coming up this spring, I would imagine. But we
went through and I'm not going to go through what we got because I feel
like you'll find that out when you see when you see the episode. But
I'm going to tell you the place is no joke. We are running an
episode. Sorry, we are running an event. There. There is one
ticket left and this is for oh what's the date. I wrote it down
April twentieth and Enfield, so it's that far out and we just have one
ticket left. So if anyone is in the Connecticut area and you want to
check this place out. It's a small home, so there's a limited number
of people that they can allow in. And it is no joke. I
mean, I was getting the chills. We talk about the demon being gone,
I'm not so sure. I think the demon might still be there kind
of lying dorms and you'll see what I mean. But I do have another
announcement to make regarding that house. It seemed to be a lot of people
questioning the house and what the activity was. So on April tenth, we
are going to be live streaming from the end Field Demon House. Am I
giving us the right date? The tenth? Right? And hang on,
let me just make sure I'm telling you the right because if it's not a
Wednesday, it's not the right date. Yeah, April tenth. April tenth,
we're going to be live streaming from the Enfield Demon House. We're gonna
have cameras set up in each of the rooms, so you'll still be in
Tennessee, but you'll be there to kind of see what's going on. But
we'll have a camera set up in each of the bedrooms upstairs and certainly downstairs
in the living area where we were getting a lot of activity. So if
you are here and you are watching the show on April tenth, we will
be coming to you live from the Enfield Demon House and you can check out
what's going on in that house. So I encourage you to join us.
I also want to announce, of course, Dark Echoes. I've done three
episodes. Actually I've done two episodes. I've got one more that we're filming
in Pennsylvania in a few weeks, but the other one was in Huntington,
Pennsylvania. That's hunting like you're going hunting Don hunting Don, Pennsylvania, and
we filmed there and we are have an event there on May twenty fifth at
one o'clock, and I think there are still tickets available for that. So
it's a meet and greet with the cast and crew at the haunted location,
which is the Clifton five Theater in Huntington, Pennsylvania. So if you want
to come and spend the night and investigate with us in a haunted theater,
we welcome you to come out to Pennsylvania and join us. You can check
out Dark Echos on Facebook and get a link to because all the tickets are
available on event bright. Also, if you go on our page here,
you'll be able to get the links to it as well and go. But
just keep in mind Enfield has only one ticket left, so if you're interested
in going, don't wait the other one. I think there are plenty of
tickets in Pennsylvania, which which brings us. And it's a nice segue into
our guests today because our guest is Tom Gormley. Now Tom, Hey,
there's the Enfield Demon House. Hello from Enfield. Rik's so excited. Yeah,
we can't wait. Jay and Elka and Mary Hello, and Adam,
thanks thanks for joining us. Uh. Tom, I only met back over
Labor Day. I was at the was it the Salem Para con with my
son and get chatting with him and we connected. And then when we were
filming in Pennsylvania for Dark Echos, I said I need someone to come drive
down with me. Who wants to go? And he volunteered. Sucker volunteered,
and so I said great, and so he filmed the episode with me,
and I think he's going to be doing another episode with me coming up
soon, so you'll you'll meet him here tonight, but you'll also see him
on Dark Eckos. So I'm going to bring you out. Tom. Welcome,
Welcome to the show, my friend. Where are you there? You
are you? A? Hey? What's going on? Good? I'm so
glad you came on, and I'm so glad you're going to be able to,
you know, to come back to Pennsylvania with me for the other show
that we're doing, the other episod so that we're doing. But you're involved
with the paranormal archangel of the paranormal that's sort of your thing, right,
that's your name? How did you get that? Long long, long time
ago, we're talking almost twenty five years. I was just king. Yeah.
It was almost the point where, after having years of experience doing this
and a lot of times I would go in and help other investigators that could
solve issues in people's homes, to the point where it was almost like,
you know, when I hate to describe it this way, when God sent
the archangel Michael to defeat the devil in battle and all that, so it
was almost like I felt like my calling was to help others defeat the problems
they were having. And it's almost like something that caught on somebody like mention
it to me one time in passing. It's almost like, you know,
hey, you helped us out and it just caught on and it just stuck
with me kind of stuff. Yeah, you know, when you have years
of experience doing this. I'm not a demonologist, but I've studied demonology parapsychology,
and like I've said before, i'm you know, jack of all trades
and the paranormal master of none. But you know, I'm always at it.
I never give up on a client or anything like that. So I'm
pretty ferocious when it comes to helping people be able to sleep at night and
overcome their issues. Do you do a lot of home cases? Still are
not so much anymore, Not too much anymore. I'm doing a lot of
promotions, doing a lot of para cons. I'm actually almost in instructor mode
where we do a lot of events where people come that are new to the
paranormal want to get into it, and I try and help them learn no
one on one exactly, So when they come to our events and I'm in
teaching mode, so I want to show them people that are interested, and
I take them aside and just you know, help them out. There's some
people that are all at different levels, so it's almost like whether I'm dealing
with or talking with one on one, I know where they're at and what
I could do to try and help them out, and always let him know
that. You know, my phone's always there if you need me to help
you out. So what's your What is your process? If someone calls you
or emails you and says, hey, I have a problem. I have
a spirit in my house, it's you know, doing whatever it does.
Yeah, a lot of the processes is first you want to make sure people
aren't nuts. But you know, having a psychology background, you know,
because some people just want attention anything like that, you really have to dig
in get a good history. I know some people have little questionnaires that they
go over. After doing this for a while, it's almost like it's all
up in my head, so I know exactly what type of questions I'm going
to ask where I'm at, what I'm dealing with. Could it be them,
could it be this, you know, it could be spirits in there.
Did they just change their medication something? Like that. It could be
just about anything. I'm very into trying to find out exactly what's going on
first, and history is a big thing for me too. I need to
know every inch of history of a place. Also, I do my due
diligence and all that, because I don't want to just say, oh,
I think it's this. I want to make sure that I know ninety eight
percent sure that that's what it is. Because you're never going to be perfect
in the paranormal. So I've said it before. My favorite quote is,
you're never one hundred percent right. You're never one hundred percent wrong about the
paranormal. That's why it's paranormal. And you have to do your best with
your experiences that you have to be able to come up with a solution and
how you're going to move energy from the house, or how to heal whatever
is there. Whether I have to heal the people that are there because sometimes
there are traumas they manifest these hauntings or is it the spirit trying to tell
their story? Do I have to heal them to give them the words to
make the decision if they want to move on or not, or figure out
how to live with the other people of the home right right, because I
you know, I don't know if you can't get I mean, you kill
you. Theoretically, you know you can cross people. But I feel like
they don't want to go. They're not going to go. No, they
have to make their own decision. It's the same thing if you are a
smoker and you know I told you quit smoking, but it's until you make
that decision to listen to my words, you're just going to keep smoking.
So it's the spirit world they still have, you know, in theory,
they still have free will when they're in that plane. So to make that
decision to move along or stay exactly A Betsy Williams out and she says,
hey, hey, to Thomas, here we are. Hey Betsy, she's
got the she's got the best smile in the paranormal. So you know,
yeah, she smiles with her her smile and her eyes all smile at the
same time. Well, I got to tell you after blackout, I'm usually
the most handsome guy in paranoral, but only after you turn the light.
Oh, it's funny. I wanted to tell you, Christina. You know
I've told Scott this one time before. I think he was on a podcast
and I mentioned it. I think I've known Scott for over twenty lifetimes.
That's why we kind of cut it up. Wow, something I've learned over
those twenty lifetimes is Scott's dad jokes are worse than mine. So yes,
oh my gosh, dad joke every single reliable. My sons will just say,
why didn't you just go on dad jokes dot com? Oh it's funny.
Today today at work, one of the guys, he's our detailer,
and he's really gotten into the paranormal and I kind of talked to him about
all the stuff we're doing and being on tonight and all that, and he
had gotten a book for he went to fly somewhere and he just bought the
book to read on the plane. He only read on the plane. It's
a book of dad jokes. And he actually gave it to me today,
So that's kind of funny. Might have to pull it out and recite him.
I don't know. They just kind of they just kind of happened.
Oh yeah, they they got they got to be natural, they got to
fit the situations. Organic, very organic, exactly true. I have to
tell you you you intrigued me one when we were driving to Pennsylvania. He
had the time in the car and one of the things that intrigues me is
that you are a profiler sort of, but you profile the ghosts, the
spirits, yeah, anything on that nature, because you know, I think
we talked about this before, but what I used to do for a living
is, you know, when you work with the prisoners and all that,
and you're in a situation of trying to quell things in the different region with
crisis management, you have to learn all about the inmates, so you learn
the psychology of them. You to the point where you have to profile.
So something goes off at one of the prisons, you have to be prepared
with your team and how you're going to approach it. So after I left
the prison, I almost with that knowledge, I started having a hobby of
profiling historic serial killers and just trying to figure out, Okay, what makes
them click? It's up, Matt, And you know when you do that.
It came to the point where I started doing it a lot and became,
you know, a little bit known for that. I've done an other
podcasts about profiling historic serial killers and all that, and I do a little
thing on TikTok and Facebook and Instagram. On Tuesdays, I call it Tuesday
Morning Cereal, just a little snippet of sixty seconds about weird things that serial
killers have done and all of But I think it's more for me is educating
people about them, because in our lifetimes, we go, we'll intermingle with
thirty seven serial killers, so that's like none really in our lifetime, and
you have to be prepared. So when I tell these stories, it's not
to glorify them. It's to prepare people to know how crazy some people are
out there that are walking around, and be prepared for the red flags that
you might see, how some of these people are brought up. And when
you know those things, you're less likely to put yourself in a situation.
You know, when you're out or about, you know, make sure you
walk with somebody to the car in a situation that you're unaware of. It's
just safety of it, you know, being you know, ex law enforcement.
Those are the things I do. I used to do bodyguard work,
So those are the things that you have to help people with and be aware
of those things that keep them safe. So you know, it's not glorifying
them. I don't care what anybody says I'll never glorify somebody that murders people.
That's it's nuts. So and I want to remember the victims in their
families and all that and what they went through and they keep other families from
going through that too, and but well, let me. I'm really interested
though, in how you do it with someone who's not here, how you
translate into the paranormal, like into into well, okay, as an example,
we talked about Adam at the Shanley Hotel, and I don't know if
you've had any we have talked about how do you know somebody like that when
we don't really you know, all you're getting is their spirit. Well,
a lot of times it is that communication, especially somebody like yourself that picks
up on it and what they're telling you, how they're delivering it. It's
with anything. Most serial killers always give those red flags, and if you
know what you're looking for and that type of trauma they've had through a lifetime
and why they do the things they do. It's to the point where I'll
talk about, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer, all right, A lot of
people don't realize is Jeffrey Dahmer. You know, he grew up, his
mother left, his father wasn't really there for him. He felt abandoned and
that manifested. That trauma manifested later on. And you know that's why he
consumed people because he didn't want them to leave him, so he consumed them
so they would always be with him. So when he killed them, he
didn't want them to leave, so he consumed them. That's, you know,
the trauma that comes in with it. Now, it's with anything when
you know the trauma, whether it be the living. Sometimes I have to
profile the living that I'm working a case for or the dead when you get
the history, how did they die? What? You know, if you
could find out who lived in the house, if I'm contacted with them,
But you have to discern that also because you don't necessarily be talking to those
people. You know, somebody could be disguising has those people. You never
know what spirit you're talking to. So it's very important to know the history
and to discern those types of things because you have to be able to do
that, to be able to profile properly, you have to know who you're
talking to. You have to know the history, and then you have to
take that psychology part of it too, just because they don't have the shell
anymore, they still have that ability to have that trauma that might be holding
them here. You know, it's an old shaman thing where trauma holds us
back, where your spirit could die, but also the trauma still there holding
you back. It almost becomes two figures. It's been known in the paranormal
that there's a spirit there, but al sudden in the background, I've seen
shadows along with the spirit, almost like they're two people, and that shadow
is to trauma that holds them here on this plane or whatever you want to
call it, or how because we don't know where we go afterwards, if
it's different planes, different whatever, but that trauma holds I had a case
where a gentleman passed away in this basement of this art gallery, which wasn't
an art gallery at the time, but when we did a Estes method with
you know, my friend who was a psychic medium, so she had everything
on and she was channeling the gentleman that died. But every time we asked
him do you want to still be here? And all that, he would,
you know, say help, and we try and help him. But
then all of a sudden, we had the Sols camera going at the same
time. If you know, your audience knows, it's like the green stick
figures that picks up energy and you could communicate. So I have the stick
figure of her sitting there, and then the gentleman has he's talking, she's
talking. He appears. But then every time I tried to tell him,
you have free will, you don't need to be here anymore, trying to
get him to make the decision to move on, all of a sudden his
demeanor would change and another figure would pop up, and then he'd start swearing
at us. But then when the figure goes away, he asks for help
again. It was almost like he was stuck and that trauma was still there
of him not knowing that he died. He was an alcoholic street person,
so it's almost like he died during a point where he didn't know that he
split and it's still there holding him back, and we're trying to figure out
how to help him heal to move on. We're you know, I'm still
working on that case. You know, it's not instantaneous. I know people
like watch a lot of TV and all that, but everything doesn't happen one
day. Yeah, and that's that's a hard it's a hard case. But
I think, you know, I think we're on the better part of it
right now, and I really want to help that that spirit move on because
I feel so bad that he's being held back by a trauma that he's got
to know that it can't hold him here. He has that free will to
go and he just needs to make that decision and hopefully if we keep at
it, that'll happen. Yeah. It's really an interesting service because you know,
they are they're not I mean, they're people, but they're not physical
people. They can't get up and walk out of your room like they can
walk out, and so you're dealing with a spirit that I mean, it's
so not concrete, you know, I don't know what I'm thinking of,
but it's so it's a very different way of looking at things. You know,
you can't I don't know if you can reason with them like you can
reason with people, and you don't know if you're getting through. You can't
get facial expressions or body language or any of that to know how they are.
You know, it is it's almost like you know when you meet somebody
and you're like oh, I really like this person, and you get that
feeling and all that. But me being an EmPATH, you know, I
feel those energies and it's like when I'm dealing with certain spirits, I sometimes
feel that I feel like I'm getting through, you know, you get that
feeling like things have changed, the energy changes in the right direction or something
like that, or you know. I use my instrumentation to verify what I'm
feeling. So if I feel something there, I put as les camera.
Then something pops up and I say, hey, can you wave? And
it waves. I know I might have an audience, and then I'm going
to try and you know, communicate that way with my voice recorder and whatever
way it wants to come through, whether it be visually or whether it be
you know, through the voice recorder and all that. Because I I don't
hear Scott, you know, I know you could pick up on things,
giving you messages and all that. I don't pick up things that way.
I just know when things are there, and it gives me the ability to
be able to say, Okay, let me check it out with the piece
of equipment. Yeah, is that a voice in Yeah? That's yeah,
Yeah, that's my uh okay, well that's my talking to the cat about
that. First time we've had voices come through on this. That's why I
was acting. I'm like that always. Here them a couple of the ghost
to my fiance and cat. They're alive. We had a cat come through
it. Hear the cat me owing. There was no cat. Well,
that's cool, that's real cool. I need to go back and listen to
the show we did last week to see if anything came through. I didn't
hear it during the show, but you know, I don't always hear it
during the show. Yeah, is when you pick it up. Yeah,
yeah, that Enfield House. I heard so much about it years ago when
really the there was a lot of talk about it in circles and all that,
and I can't remember who it was reached out to me and wanted me
to try and like check it out or whatever at one time to see what
I thought. I don't remember what happened why I never went, But you
know, things happened for a reason sometimes, you know, I think the
right person went there when they needed to. You never know who's going to
be that person that tunes in on that energy and is able to you know,
I don't say take control of it, because you really have no control
over something that's of that evil type of nature. From what they say.
You never know with that. But again, you know, with crisis things,
and I've talked about this before, but even with you know, when
you're dealing with supposed demon or anything like that, it's just like crisis management
or once you know somebody's name and all that, you have control over it.
So and I think that's why a lot of exorcisms and all that are
done they try and get the name of the demon. But it's with anything.
When I deal with somebody and once I know their name, it humanizes
them, it brings them back down. And it's just with anything, whether
I'm humanizing a spirit that may not be a demon, just might be an
angry spirit, which is a majority of the time. You know, I've
been doing this for a long time. I don't think I've run into anything
that evil that I know of, but you know, you never know.
It's that discernment. Sometimes you might miss what you're doing. I've had a
lot of cases where I've second guessed myself. So, hey, Lauren Irene,
earlier I forgot to say, either you have you dealt with anything that
you feel has been evil like that non human evil. Yeah, I'm still
second guessing myself. You know, we're talking over a year later. I
had a case here in Connecticut, up in the Suffield area, and we
coined it the murder House. This house. When we did the history of
it, we find out back in the nineteen twenties that the people that lived
there, it was a man, his wife, has six children. It
was a tobacco field that he curated and all that, and he had people
working. So there was a house right by that had people working for him.
And he had gone away on a trip to New York for some business,
come back, found on his wife cheated on one of the boarders that
are and became enraged and bludgeoned her to death in front of his six children
and killed her right there. What was the kitchen at the time, But
when this house renovated over the years, there was a back room that used
to be the kitchen. Now, the people that lived in this house were
three guys that looked like big motorcycle guys and all that. You wouldn't think
they'd be afraid of anything. Well, they reached out to us because in
the house. They kept getting you know, they had cameras up. They
kept getting these really cool looking orbs where I was like, yeah, that's
not dust, that's not bugs, that's you know, that's actually the way
it's moving. There's something down there that doesn't make sense. And they were
getting poltergeists activity where the basement door was opening and closing at night, opening
and slamming, opening and slamming, to the point where they rolled the couch
against it at night so they could try and get some sleep. They would
have sleep, Yeah, they would get sleep paralysis, feel like something was
sitting on them. You know, they had a one time they were out
partying and I know I don't think they were drunk at the time, but
they had a beer can move at least three feet across the table, which
I know sometimes with oyster it will move a little bit, but not not
that far. Shadow figures in the back and all that. So they're still,
you know, pretty freaked out. So yeah, there's tons of stuff
going on. But you know, we ended up going and and and doing
the interviewing them and all that and determined they're they're not you know, they're
they're on the up and up and we went to go investigate the home and
hes, We're going, Hi, Cathy, So hes we're going going through
the home. I had an SLS camera up and a friend that I was
working with at the time, Jenna Beth. She's the psychic medium, and
so she had her phone going and trying to say, Hey, is anybody
there, And all of a sudden, I had that feeling, you know,
and the whole shift of energy changed. My hair stood up on me,
and then all of a sudden, two figures pop up in front of
me, and one of the figures looked like it was bludgeting, the other
one like it was re enacting the murder from the nineteen twenties. So I
started trying to communicate. I didn't know if it was residual or if I
could communicate with it, but it made it look like it was residual.
But as I communicated, the one stick figure that like moved away, and
as I said, you can't do this anymore. This happened in the past.
We can't keep this going on. So trying to talk, bangs on
the wall started going off as loud as twenty two gunshots, but on the
video it didn't sound as loud, but being there it was like freaky.
I mean, anytime it hit it was almost like I felt like PTSD,
like a gunshot, going oh my god, what's going on? So I
was banging or just trying to hang in there, and you know, finally
the banging stops and the other figures there and it, you know, it's
kind of like rolling like this, almost like it was her. I said,
if you're the woman and you don't want to be here anymore, if
you don't want this to stop, I'm going to reach my hand out.
All you got to do is touch it, and you can make the decision
to move on. You have free will. So I put my hand out
and you could see on the video the stick figure reaches out and then disappears
off the sols camera, and then everything just calmed for just like a minute.
But when we entered this place, there was over eight spirits that she
picked up on. But the thing was is we went through to bless the
house, try to get litter of the negative energy, keep the good energy
in there. If some of the spirits there were family members that we picked
up on, there was one spirit that seemed to be hiding from us in
the basement, and I was concerned with this. So when we did the
initial blessing and all that, I felt like I didn't feel like it went
right, you know, because sometimes it doesn't always work on the first time.
So we left and at the time my burner that I was working with,
she and her husband went to Lake George and she called me at five
in the morning. She felt the energy of the house followed her to Lake
George and tried to choke her in her sleep. So we're like, this
thing's mad at us, and I'm like, this is not good. And
then you know, she came home and a couple days later, I was
sleeping and I had this weird dream of this woman dressed in that old Burger
King outfit, you know, the brown and the orange, and remember that
old burger came her way back and that mask was looking Oh yeah, it
was horrible, and she she was like yelling at me and then grabbed me
by the neck started choking me, and I'm like, oh, and I
wake up and I still felt the handmarks on my neck and it felt like
attached again, like it came through that way. I don't know why Burger
King made no sense to me. But the thing is is I knew we
didn't do something enough. We had to go back. So before we went
back, usually when I do a house blessing, I leave a recorder going,
and I was like, well, I was so busy at the time
because it was like a busy time of the year, and I said,
let me listen to the recording before we go back again, just to see.
And the recorder was going down in the basement because that was where most
of the activity was they were saying was coming from. So I'm listening to
it, and all of a sudden, I heard this evil laugh and then
this metal poll drop. But you could hear Jennibeth and I talking upstairs,
and I hear this down there, so I know it was downstairs, and
I'm like, that's the thing that was hiding from us, So we have
to do something about that. So we go back and Jennibeth, you know,
she's does the shamanistic practices, so you know the pagan intent. We
did something different, which most people when they bless the house, they do
it a certain way they're used to, so we decided to do something unprecedented.
So we decided to bless the house for different ways. So we did
a pagan blessing of shaman blessing, and we did the you know, the
Christian blessing and did a Tibetan healing bowl and all that. We just threw
the whole kitchen sink at this place, yeah, because we're failing, Like,
hey, you know, I think the property had some Indian energy to
it. It had all kinds of different energy. So we did that blessing
and we blessed the people in the home before they left, you know,
when they come back, and we salted, We did you know, everything
you could think of. We were thinking of it and doing it, you
know, holy water, everything, oil, everything you could think of.
And finally they said, we've been able to sleep, and they hadn't been
able to sleep for like over a year and a half, so no problems.
But the funny thing is is a year later they decided they were going
to sell the house because they kind of had a falling out the three guys.
So whatever was in there, I don't think wanted them to leave.
Because once they decided and made that decision, they sent us a recording that
every three hours, for three minutes, they would have this loud knocking and
I have a recording of it that they sent and we said, well,
do you want us to come over and you know try and you know,
quell that again because you're trying to sell the house. He didn't want us
to come. It's almost like his whole demeanor changed about everything going on.
I was like, well, I'm going to sell the house. I'm not
worried about it anymore. I don't care whatever else problem. Yeah, it's
going to be somebody else's problem. But you know which kind of you know
got me a little upset, So they call us. A couple of days
later, the the realtor went in and brought a couple in and they were
down in the basement and she was showing him around, and a disembodied voice
said get the f out, and they freaked out. They went running up
the stairs and the disembodied voices, you're going to fall, and the guy
fell up the stairs. So we get a call and they told us this
happened, and I'm like, well, we really need to come and help
you. He's still didn't care. So a few days later they caused and
said that the house sold. I don't know how the realtor got it in
herself to go back after hearing that, but a different couple went in and
they nothing happened, and they ended up, you know, buying them the
house. I'm starting to think the spirit didn't like the other couple and didn't
want him there and decided to act up, or you know, something bad
could be there. I'm still second guessing myself on that certain energy that's supposedly
still there, whether it's evil or whatever, I don't know. It bothers
me and I would love to go back there, but I know from what
I'm hearing later on, yes, he said they sold the house, but
when they did the inspection, I think him being standoffish and all that karma
hits you sometimes, and I guess there was severe termite damage where it would
cost him something like I think it was like something like seventy something thousand dollars,
and he had already moved out of the house to Florida. He wasn't
even around, so for him to continue the sale of the house, he
was going to have to get that taken care of. So I don't know
if these people ever moved in, if it ever got done, or if
it's still on the market. So but I can't tell anybody where the place
was, just it was in subfield. And even if they track the guy
when he murdered, the street name's changed back in the day to what they
are now, so it'd be very hard to track that unless you know,
you talk to the lady that got us all the history. But we knew
everything about the guy when he went to jail. We knew every inmate he
had during the whole time he was in jail. That's how much information we
had. But that's what I do. That's where the going down the rabbit
hole comes from. I've been known to be a ferocious historian historic I don't
jump into everything and all that, and I make sure that I know everything
I need to know. It's I don't know. The more research you have,
the more information you have on something like that, it helps you separate
the lore from the truth. You know, you need to separate those two,
need the actual facts exactly. That's why a lot of historic places they're
tough because there's a lot of lore and then you have to really weigh what's
real what's not. And then sometimes some of these historians still use the lore.
You know, you have to really do your due diligence. Sometimes you
have to take in who's given you the history too. Are they just trying
to promote their town or are they actually giving you the exact stuff that you
need, because that could happen. You really have to know who you're talking
to and how they're delivering it. Are they giving me the real information or
are they just trying to promote the area or that certain facility. Yeah,
it's interesting because you know, when I was in Connecticut on Sunday, I
went through without any equipment. I mean, I didn't have anything with me,
and it was what I was able to pick up psychically, and it
was interesting what the owner of the house was able to corroborate, you know,
and let me know that. Yeah, that makes sense. And you
know, what you're feeling is what we felt, and what you're hearing is
you know, telling us is what we know or what we feel. But
it'll be really interesting to go back with the equipment to back that up and
see if any of that comes through. The interesting thing, and I will
say this about the house, you know, I feel like there was these
stories of there was a demon there now, you know. I mean,
look, I've had people call, you know, everybody's got a demon.
Everybody's got a portal, you know what I mean, in their house.
But I will say this about the Demon House, is that I was the
only one that detected this, probably because it was psychically, but in a
certain part of the house, I detected rotting flesh, that sick smell.
I've never gotten that on an investigation before. I had no equipment, there
was no reason for it. There was nothing, you know, in that
It was like they had food hanging around. There's nobody that even lives in
that part of the house. There was nothing. I don't know what it
was, but that was the first thing I thought, is that there's something
festering there that's just I don't know, just just there, aren't they What's
that I'm saying in the house, Well, it's a duplex, so they
live on one side and then the other side. They couldn't keep tenants and
they kept leaving because they were having so many issues. Now, they told
me that, you know, when they first had this problem, when they
first moved in seventeen years earlier, sixteen years before, it was really bad.
I mean they were getting shadow animals and crawlers and just and and it's
not like that now they thought it was gone. I'm not sure it is.
I'm really not sure it is. It feels to me like it's just
dormant. And I don't know why I would get that smell mm hm.
You know, it's letting, it's letting, you know. From what I've
heard, I think the person that finally kind of cleared the house up a
little bit, there was almost like a spiritual deal made or something. From
the best way to describe it. A lot of times things are still.
There's just what I talked about the murder house. You know, we clear
that the people are able to sleep, but then when they decide to move,
something becomes undormant and starts. You know, I think it's the energy
and all that could change. It's just with anything us as human beings,
you know, you love each other and all that, but all of a
sudden, somebody gets into a fight and then there's bad energy and all that.
It's almost like the spirits there. It's waiting to, you know,
have somebody go against their word. So when I think, as far as
I know, the person that helped clear this house out has kept their word,
and I think whatever else was there kept their word, and it's almost
like I think the way it's going to be in me have crossed. I
think they may be dead. I think they passed away. If I'm not
mistaken, I might be wrong on that, but I feel like the person
passed away. Well. I think one part of the deal was that they
would step away and not do this kind of work anymore. Exactly. That's
that's the what I what I heard and all that. And you know,
but like I told you, you know a lot of that. You have
to have faith in who you are, you know, higher being and all
that when you deal with those types of things. You know, when I
go into a home, I know it's not me helping. You know,
it's a higher power that backs you up. Hence, you know I don't
use that archangel, the paranormal lightly. I'm not going to get all you
know, religious, it's spiritual with me. I know, I know I'm
protected, and I have the confidence that my higher power is protecting me,
and then I go in to try and protect others. And that's why I
do what I do. You know, whether it be the living that needs
to be protected, or the debt that needs to be protected, or anything
like that you know, these things that we don't understand. You know,
we never will, but enough understanding, like I said, use my knowledge
of what I know and what I perceive and hopefully I have enough knowledge to
quell those things or anything like that, or work as a team. I
don't work with a lot of people's yat with. I don't work with a
lot of people. I've worked with people in the past, and it's almost
like I feel with a lot of the work I do, I don't want
to put people in danger. I'd rather check out a place first and then
determine, you know, who I might be able to bring in to maybe
help out, because it's almost like certain people have certain abilities that might help
out. You know, it's like, hey, if I had a plumbing
issue, I'm going to get a plumber. So this type of paranormal that
I know somebody's good at and might call them in or all that. So
you know, there's a lot of people that you get a good rollodex over
the years of people that you could call. But I tend to work by
myself on cases and all that. I know a lot of people say you
shouldn't, but after all this time, I think it's different. I'm not
new, so I think I know the risk and all that. But I
do have people on call if I go somewhere, you know, people know
where I am or anything like that. If anything to happen, someone that
always exactly, So you have to have that. You never know. But
you know, I'm pretty well protected. You know, I got the good
background, so it was good. The eyes behind my head. You know,
you never know, because sometimes the the living could be more dangerous than
the dead. So that's you gotta be careful. Yeah, in some of
these cases, you know, they seem to check out all right, but
then all of a sudden, just the Doctor Jekyll and mister Hige kicks in.
But you know, it's hard to deal with home cases. They could
be very dangerous and you have to know what you're doing. You can't.
I think you got to have some years under your belt before you really do
them. And you have to study. You got to read a lot,
You got to work with other people experience. Yeah, work with experienced investigators
exactly. You know, I like I told you, you know, I
started off for a couple of years. I learned some of the in ins
and outs early on in life with you know, back in the mid eighties,
I got my start with Edel Lorraine Warren. But you know, they're
very religious to the point where how they do things and all that. And
then after you know, I went off to college, I kind of became
dormant for a little while. And then after my mom passed away twenty twelve,
you know, I was always doing stuff, but I think I really
dove in after that and made more of a commitment to help people because you
know, hey, I was mourning for my mom's loss and almost to the
point where I did I want people to have to go through that. Sometimes
you console people that have past loved ones. It's understanding the possibility of what
might happen to us after we leave our shell and join the spirit world and
whatever that means. So yeah, I agree. Interesting, I don't know,
I think that I think being able to navigate through the sea of information
that you get is really a gift in and of itself, because I mean,
I know you have a background that you know, I don't have the
background and the things that you have, but it's hard to weave through.
You know, once you've gotten past the fact that they're not crazy, then
you get you know, well, what is this and who do I need
to help me? Do I need someone to help me? I think navigating
that is. See. I tend to be somewhat skeptical. And I don't
mean skeptical. I mean I am skeptical, but I'm skeptical of people,
and I don't know that I I don't think I have the ability to get
through the first part of it, like are you crazy? Because that's just
where my mind goes, Like I feel like you're guilty until prove it innocent.
I feel, you know, if you're telling me that it just started
happening, I get skeptical. You know, you've lived in the house for
ten years, but it just started happening. Or that you're seeing faces on
your dinner napkins, you know, stuff like that makes me go, I
don't know, I'm not so sure about this. But if you just moved
into the house and there's something, I'm still not saying it's paranormal, but
I feel a little better about it. But I feel like some of these
things it's just too you know, you've been around long enough to know it
just doesn't really manifest that way. You know, it's not going to show
up on your internet. But you're right, you're right, But you can
never disregard anything. I've learned a long time ago that yes, just because
we think it can't happen, doesn't mean it can't happen, all right.
Those are the things that you have to discern. I know a lot of
people they make fun of, Oh, that's just dust, that's a dust
orb, or that's a bug or anything like that. What we really need
to look at is, you know, with this, if you look at
something like that, like a dust kickup, who's to say that a spirit
didn't create that dust kickup to get your attention and that's why that appeared that
way. We don't know everybody's like, yeah, that's just dust, or
you don't want to just pooh pooh anybody, or anything like that. You
really have to take everything in. You really have to read people their eye
movement, their body language. Are they telling me the truth? What's really
going on here? What is making them talk this way? You know,
sometimes it's saying spirit attachment changes people's demeanor or anything like that. Sometimes you
could tell when somebody has an attachment just by how they're acting, or if
you talk to their family and they say, well, yeah, well a
few months ago, all of a sudden this started happening. What's the trauma
that's going on. Is it's something psychological or is this spirit like doing something?
And it just gets to the point it gets so crazy and it you
have to have critical thinking. You have to think outside the box. It's
not easy, you know. I know a lot of people do this,
and I've talked about it like before. There's so much different types of paranormal.
You know, people are good at certain things and all that. And
I always claim, you know, I always say that it's like music.
So you know music, you know, some people like countries, some people
like rock, whatever. It's just like paranormal. Some people are into the
demonology, some people are in the spiritual side, some people read terror cards.
But it's still all paranormal, you know, just like country and rock.
Yeah. So, but I'm never gonna tell them you can't do it
that way. Nobody knows the right way, you know. It all comes
down to you. And I talk about this in my talks all the time.
When I start a conversation, when I talk to you know whoere we're
at a para con or anything like that you don't have to believe anything I
say. You know, these are my experiences, this is what happened to
me. You know, I could talk about my my murder house. Some
people that are listening tonight says, yeah, he's probably full of it,
but no, that's what I experienced. That's what happened to me there.
Whether you're gonna believe it or not, it doesn't matter to me because that
was my experience. In my experience. If that helps you understand the paranormal
a little better or it helps heal you, then I did my job.
But I don't expect you to believe everything I say because you never know.
But that was my experience. That's what I got from and over all these
years, these are experiences that I've had. But not everybody's gonna have the
same experience. Everybody has a different fingerprint, you know, so everybody experiences
things very much differently. But you know, after a while, I could
give information and if that helps you move on or you know, you're gonna
get a lot of people in this industry to say, ah, you're full
of it all this other stuff, that's fine too. I don't mind because
no matter what you say, you can't change the experience I had. True.
Let you know, you said you can tell sometimes when someone has an
attachment by how they mean, what is that look? It's it's almost the
eye movement, you know. It's just it's sometimes it's unnatural, and it
is the old saying that your eyes are the the picture to your soul.
It's almost like you could tell by looking somebody in the eyes when something isn't
right, something is off. Isn't a psychological thing, this is something that
they're not acting normal. It's a discernment. Am I really good at it?
No? I think there's people that are better at it. But I
think it comes down to, you know, reading them like that. Just
from my law enforcement background and dealing with people that have twenty four to seven
to try and get one over on you. They're always trying to manipulate you,
and you're in that psychologically day in and day out for the years that
I did it. You know, you don't know, so you never know.
Tom. There's a question here. Mary Alice says, when someone has
an attachment, do you mean an evil attachment? Can there be an attachment
that's not evil? Well, yeah, there's tons of things that you know,
sometimes people don't know their psychic and something could channel through you just trying
to get their story out. It doesn't have to necessarily be evil. There
is the possibility. But again we talk about demons tonight, we talk about
evil. There are people that when they die, you know, there are
jerks in life. They're still going to be jerks. But the the possibility
of a demon is like point zero zero zero one. You know, buy
your lottery ticket. That's why they make movies about it. But you still
have to be prepared for it. You know that that point zero zero zero
one. You never know what it's going to happen, and you have to
be ready for it. You have to do your best and know that you
have faith and that you know higher power is working through you to help whoever
is going through that situation. I just want to say something on that too.
We only have a couple of minutes left, so I just I'll make
it quick. But and it's not an attachment. So I want to preface
this by saying it's not an attachment. But I know when I read sometimes
people will say to me, why why why were you doing this? Like
I'm rubbing my Yeah, you're channeling me. It would be a facial expression.
It could be mannerism. It could be something I said, or you
know, you say to a cert way and I feel like that's a that's
some It's not that they're it's not like I'm in trance, but there's something
that spirit can affect you to act and do things in certain ways. They're
not evil. You know it's somebody's grandma. Oh, they're they're giving you
a thought. The spirit guide's given you a thought that, hey, rub
your chin that way. That's how that person's father used to do it right,
and you don't need to. Yeah, sometimes you're getting messages. I
guess if you see a like a rose and oh it was my aunt Rose
or whatever, that's showing you how to pervade that message. And sometimes they
give you that mannerism. Sometimes you don't even know why you're doing it,
like, you know, pick us upon it. I'm gonna have like a
minute and a half. Can you answer this real quick? Mary asked,
have you ever met someone that knew that is it? I don't know if
it's new that they had an attachment or you knew that they had an attachment.
I'm not sure what I it's funny. I was at the Connecticut Aicon
a couple of years ago and this gentleman came up to me. He says,
nobody will help me. I've had this attachment for years and all this
other stuff. And he was pretty wild about it. I think, to
the point where things have been bothering him for so long that it changed his
psychological demeanor. So it was hard to discern. But I could feel that
things were affecting him, but at that moment that he was out of the
house, it wasn't really affecting him at the time. And that's what I
was telling him. I says, really, it's not effect He says,
yeah, they're not with me now, and I said, well, that's
what I see. But I could see that psychologically it's changed him to the
point where I think somebody that isn't as well versed is not going to be
able to decipher that. They're just going to say the guy's a wacko.
You know. I told him it's more of I'd want to see him in
his home and how things changed for him after I met him. But he,
you know, he was like very erratic and never gave me his number
and how to reach out to him and all that. But hopefully, you
know, maybe I'll see him again or something. But so I Tom,
I want to thank you for being here, only about a minute left.
I want to thank you for being here and coming on the show tonight because
I think this is fascinating. I also want to just remind everyone please if
you want tickets to either of these events, you can go on Facebook,
Dark Echos Paranormal, get the link there. Go on my Facebook page.
There's a link to the events there as well, and you can you can
get the link and get tickets. I think there's one left in the Demon
House, and there's a few left for the Clifton five at Huntington, Pennsylvania.
So thank you for being here. Definitely have to have you back.
What are you gonna say? Yeah, Well, I just want to let
everybody know if they want to go on the Haunted Trolley ride with us in
April, Connecticut, Para CON's coming up sale in Para Con, any of
the psychic fairs that we're doing, it's all on you know, my website
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