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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
a new episode of the Poker Go Podcast.

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My name is Donna Peters. I'm
joined as always by my guy Tim

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Duckworth. How are you doing,
sir? I'm sad I missed the World

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Series. Same man, I feel
the same way I want. I want

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it to come back. Yeah,
like I mean, I know twenty twenty

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four will probably be here before we
know it, as that happens every single

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year, but still, you know, I'm a little bit bummed out that

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it's all over. On today's show, we're gonna recap pretty much everything that

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wrapped up in the last week while
we were focused on the WSP main events.

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We have a WSP Player of the
Year winner, not someone you would

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have expected coming into the summer,
but hopefully you got to know this person

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throughout the summer. Ryan Mill won
the three K Horse, Kang Hyun Lee

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won the one K Nolman hold Him
freeze Out, Martin Nielsen won the ten

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k Short Tech, Alex keating the
five K Noelman hold Him winner, and

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then wrapping up the series the final
racelet of the summer, Paul Berger won

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the one K Super Turbo. We're
gonna go over our predictions that we gave

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at the beginning of the World Series
or right before the World Series. I

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should say, see how we did
there. We had a little Q and

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A with our listeners that wrote some
questions in Thank you all who did that.

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first, I know, I know
this is kind of look a little bit

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backwards, but we're gonna do it
this way anywaysp Player of the Year twenty

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twenty three Ian Metacus the Minnesota and
out of nowhere twenty two cashes, twenty

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two cashes. Nine of those cashes
came online. He won one gold bracelet

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that also came online. He had
a total of eight hundred and eighty one

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thousand and fifty two dollars in winnings. I mean, he really did come

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out of nowhere. Yeah, I
mean, unless unless you were Adam Freedman,

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because I guess that Adam Freedman told
Greg Mueller to draft him in the

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Mark gregor It's twenty five hundred uh
Fantasy League, which was after the twenty

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five K Fantasy Draft. It was
the day after UM and I think I

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saw that he had four hundred and
twenty five point, which is which is

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out of control. I mean absolutely, Adam Freedman know that this guy is

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gonna just blost the full schedule and
absolutely blow everyone in. He must he

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must be friendly with him, he
must know him. Um, you know,

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he's from kind of that neck of
the woods, I think, plays

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some MSPT events all that sort of
stuff. So um had a good idea

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that Ian Matakeas was going to be
coming out and what sort of schedule he

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was going to play. And then, of course, you know, once

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you get off to a hot start, you know you got a bank roll

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all that sort of stuff like,
you can obviously keep firing. And that

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is what Ian did and it led
him to becoming the twenty twenty three WSP

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Player of the Year. He topped
a pretty tough group of people, as

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you would expect, and four of
the people that he beat or finished ahead

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of were multiple bracelet winners. You
had Ryan Miller who won two bracelets.

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You had Josh r A won two
bracelets. You had Shawn Deep who or

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sorry not Sean deep shawnd won one
bracelet, chat Eve Sledge, but Sean

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do you finished second. And then
in the Player of the you race and

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chat Eve Sledge won two bracelets.
Those came at the beginning of the summer,

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and then Chris Brewer also won two
bracelets. Really good on Ian Matakeas

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for coming out on top, and
Tim spoke with him on the final day

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of the World Series just after he
wrapped up the poy award Ian Congratulations sp

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Player of the Now there is a
sweat maybe in this someone needs to win.

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I've done my due diligence. I've
walked the field. I can't find

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anyone. So let's hope that you
have. You've locked it up, so

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you know, congratulations. What does
that mean to you to be the twenty

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twenty three WS Top Player of the
Year. Yeah, it means a lot,

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I guess coming into the series,
I I didn't have any plans for

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playing towards Player of the Year.
It was just sort of something that came

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as I was playing. UM,
but it means a lot to be part

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of this, uh prestigious group of
people for sure. Now we're in the

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room with all the Player of the
Year banners. Next year, YAWS is

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going to be be up here.
And I was speaking to Sean d a

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couple of weeks ago and he suggested, you know, it would be fitting

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if your banner had maybe a laptop
in there. A lot of discussion about

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the online events. You know,
what are your thoughts on, you know,

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the online versus live debate that's going
around right now. Um, sure,

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I guess the way I view it
is the fields for the online are

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still big and still tough to win, so I think they should count.

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But a lot of people disagree,
and you know, that's okay, that's

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their opinion. But I'm happy they
did count because it was a big part

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of my points to suit. I
think that I think you have twenty two

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cashes so far this World series,
nine of them online, so substantial amount

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online. Surprisingly, though you don't
have the most cases for the year,

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Michael Holtz, but I think he's
brock Lesler on wsbtcum he has twenty four

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but still twenty two cashes. That's
kind of pretty amazing. Ah. Yeah,

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it was surreal for a week or
two where I was just deep in

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everything that I played and always on
one entry, and I couldn't even believe

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it. Really, it started to
feel like normal in a sense, being

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that deep. But then you know, they brought me back down to earth

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for a little bit. And but
yeah, It's been a surreal series.

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I couldn't ask for more. Was
there a point where, you know,

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it became real aware, Oh my
god, I actually have a shot to

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win this. I'm leading you know, things are going my way. Okay,

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I have to kind of focus on
Player of the Year. Yeah,

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there was a point, I guess
I kind of stopped playing the win in

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Venetian events and just played the WSOP
events. My plan was to play kind

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of every venue, sou but at
a certain point I only played one event

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at the Venetian and wanted to win. So yeah, everything else was here

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coming into this world series, you
know, no offense kind of was a

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No one and now you know you
are going to be Player of the What

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does that mean for your like career
going forward? Do you think? Yeah?

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I mean hopefully people still fold to
me when they see my picture up

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on the wall. I guess it's
also really good for my coaching. I

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was coaching before, but now more
and more people are asking me about it,

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So yeah, it's very helpful in
that sense. Do you see.

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You know we've talked to Dan Zach
before, We've talked to Josh Are about

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Player of the Year and how you
know they win one, they really want

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to win another to you know,
be tired with the grano. Is this

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something you know for your career,
like, okay, I would like another

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Player of the Year BANO. Yeah, I mean I think next year I'll

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be playing for it. I'm also
going to learn some mixed games, so

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I won't just be playing no limit
in PLO next year. I mean,

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I guess we'll see what happens.
I'm gonna be grinding for it next year

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for sure. To for you personally, you know, being you know,

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on the younger side compared to some
of the player year a part of the

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years, what kind of is more
important to you? Is it bracelets?

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Is it another manner or is it
you know, straight up cash? Yeah.

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I would say for me, the
one thing that I always focus on

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is am I playing my best?
And if I come in every day and

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do that, then I'm happy with
it. I could lose, you know,

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twenty islands in a row, but
if I'm playing well, then I'm

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I'm completely okay. It's safe to
assume that you've probably played maybe fifty days

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straight of poker. You're probably a
little tired. I just got due to

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the end of a massage, probably
well deserved. What is next for you

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poker wise, you know, going
through the rest of the year. If

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I'm being honest, I haven't looked
completely into it yet. I'm looking forward

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to some time off with my family, friends and girlfriend back home. I'm

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actually flying out tonight. But for
next for poker, I'm going to look

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into some of the Traiton stops and
I'll be playing wpts anytime they're in Florida,

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so so, but yeah, I
think I'll take a little bit of

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time off and maybe play online on
Sundays. But yeah, all right,

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that was Ian Metakus. It'll be
good to see him around blasting away at

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the World Series of Poker. Now
that he's a name, now that he's

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a face, now that he's a
personality, he said, he said he's

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coming next year. Good. I
like it. I like My biggest takeaway

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from like him winning it is that
I like that it gives way for more

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of like the everyman common poker player. You know, yeah, you might

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be a pro, but you might
not be well known, but you still

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got a shot to winds players.
Yeah, and he proved it, you

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know, he beat Yeah, the
biggest of the big guns, and he

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did it, and he took it
down. So good for Ian Metakus three

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thousand dollars Horse. Ryan Miller aka
little Shit, that's his nickname. I

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didn't do it, okay. He
won the three thousand dollars Horse Tournament three

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hundred and thirty one entries. He
took home two hundred and eight thousand dollars,

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his second bracelet of the summer,
also his second of the career.

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He only he only played five WSUP
events. He's mostly a cash game player.

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We talked about it before when he
won the ten k stud High Low

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Tournament. Cash game player from the
East Coast um you know, most known

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over in the the cash games at
Borgata. So he joined Josh Rhat,

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Eve Sledge and Chris Brewer as two
time bracelet winners from the twenty twenty three

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Wipe Timpotta Statin here ninety fourth player
to win at least two bracelets in the

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calendar. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. One thousand dollars. Noelman hold him

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freeze out Kang Hun Lee Top Day
seventeen hundred and ten entry Field, taking

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home two hundred and thirty six thousand, seven hundred and forty one dollars.

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Eric MIMSSROCKI not Michael MISSROCKI not Robert
MISSROCKI also not Doni MISSROCKI Eric Missaroki takes

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second place in this one ten thousand
dollars short deck, one hundred and six

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entries there. Martin Nielsen from the
Faroe Islands wins it all two hundred and

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seventy thousand dollars top prize. Chris
Brewer had a deep run in this event.

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John Juwanda had a deep run in
this event. Eric Washson had a

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deep run in this event, but
it was Martin Nielsen coming out on top.

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I couldn't find a list a country
list for the Faraoe Islands, so

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I'm assuming he's on top of it. I think Martin Nielsen is under Denmark,

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but he wanted to be Pharaoe Islands. He said afterwards when they interviewed

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him, that believes he's now has
the most tournament earnings for somebody from the

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Faroe Islands, so Henne Mom needs
to get on that well. He's also

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three countries this year he won their
first bracelet. One was Modolva, one

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was Peru, that was just last
week and now Pharaoh Islands seventieth country to

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win a WSP gold bracelet. Alex
Keating. He is the winner of the

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five thousand dollars no Woman hold of
event kind of a turbo event, not

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really but two day event, shorter
than most of the five k's out there,

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eight hundred and thirteen entries, absolutely
huge field. Seven hundred and one

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thousand dollars was the first place prize. Alex Keating his been around for quite

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a long time. Not to be
confused by Alan Keating, the high stakes

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cash game player that you see on
Hustler Casin Alive, You've seen on some

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of the poker g shows, all
that sort of stuff. This is Alex

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Keating. He used to have the
crazy beard for a while, but he

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plays a lot of tournaments, plays
a very um i would say, unorthodox

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style, but a very fun style, and someone who has a lot of

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success on the felt. But a
WSP bracelet has eluded him for quite some

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time. His previous best finish was
back from back in two thousand and nine,

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he took fifth place in a two
thousand dollar limit hold him event.

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I think he finished seventh in a
WSP event in twenty fifteen. I think

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that was a three K no limit
hold him. He also has had a

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deep runner two in the WSP main
event, and what I mean by deep

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runners, I mean very deep.
Think he has like a score for three

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hundred thousand or something like that for
coming in the top forty or something like

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that. So but this one is
his first Dubsipago bracelet again topping a field

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of eight hundred and thirteen entries seven
hundred, one thousand dollars, was up

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top four Alex Keating and then the
final event of the summer one thousand dollars,

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No woman hold him, super Turbo. This one, we were walking

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the field, I mean everyone came
out to blasts. Yeah, it was

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like the last Hurrah. I didn't
think a lot of people would, you

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know, even like a Daniel mcgrony. I thought, you know, what

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Summer's done? Is he really going
to do this one? He was there,

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he was he was battling as we're
a lot of these guys. Ultimately

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it's Paul Burger coming out on top. He topped the field of one thousand,

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four hundred and eighty two entries,
two hundred and twelve thousand dollars goes

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in mister Burger's pocket. Yuri Zevelevski, the Brazilian, took second place in

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this one. Something that I thought
from this event is that I think they

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should do unlimited re entry then let
the people blast off. Then it's going

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to end at like five am.
I don't want that. You saw them

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hanging around the table like ready to
break all these tables down, like they

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just wanted everybody. I mean,
you can't do that either. You have

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to have like a separate area where
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like it's just in a closet somewhere, like you gotta control that. I

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mean, they gotta free up that
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Yeah, no, I understand.
Um. Personally, I would have

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started this tournament at nine am.
I would have had fifteen minute levels and

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I would have allowed unlimited rantry.
That's what I would have done. Okay,

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that's what I would have done.
And these same sickos would have been

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there. Okay, that's the crazy
they all would have been there. You

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know, just make it this last
kind of unique event. On the final

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day, people put an eighteen k
in the fries pool, you know,

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like that that crazy stuff. Let's
go. But ultimately, you know,

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really really fun world series of poker. Um. We'll get into, you

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know, kind of some of our
wrap up questions that Tim put together,

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um in a little bit, But
first I want to hit on the predictions

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that we had coming in. I
don't think we did so host. I

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haven't looked at him like, yea, you don't even know? Okay,

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which established pro will win their first
bracelet? You said carry cats. That's

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no. I was right there.
Yeah, but I mean he didn't win

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it. Yeah, I said I. I gave mention to Chris Brewer and

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Sean Winter. Chris Brewer want two
gold bracelets, but I ultimately didn't go

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with them. I went Michhannon Shore. Shannon didn't do so hot. Um,

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so you know you and I are
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I win on that one. I'm
closest to the pin. Is that how

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we play? I mean, I
don't know. Do I get closest to

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the pin for mentioning Chris Brewer won
two? I mean no, you settled

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on Shannon Shoal. This is both
an L. It's just both we both

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get lost L. I'll take the
will daniel Le Gron, you win a

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gold bracelet. You started off by
saying the math says no, and I

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gave you a whole bunch of crap
for it, but then you finally said

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yes. Yeah. I said,
not only will he win one, he'll

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win two. So again we both
take it. We both take ls on

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that one. No, well,
we didn't take the L, Daniel,

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Yeah, Daniel technically took but we
took the L for the predictions um will

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Helm win Gold raised the number seventeen. We both said no, so we're

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taking els there as well. How
am we taken a big fat W right

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in our face? Will Deep When
you said no, I said yes,

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boom, I get the W right
there? Yeah. On the board?

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How many entries in the Gladiators of
Poker? It had twenty three thousand and

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eighty eight entries, which made it
the second largest live poker tournament of all

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time. My number was eighteen thousand, four hundred for this one. You

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didn't give a specific number, but
you said that your flour was twenty thousand,

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So you get the W here I
don't get. Let's go. Will

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the Gladiators Poker be the largest field
at the twenty twenty three WISP. We

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both said yes, but I said
that it'll be challenged by the Mystery Millions

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tournament, and I said, I
believe. I said that the Mystery Millions

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tournament can get like seventeen or eighteen
thousand. So given that, I said,

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the Gladiators of Poker with eighteen thousand, four hundred, and then the

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Mystery Millions challenged that number of like
eighteen thousand. I was pretty close on

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that regard. Yeah, you know, but we both we both said yes

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here, so we were both right. How will the turnout be for the

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fifteen hundred dollar bidugie? It got
five hundred and sixteen entries, which I

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think I think blew away our expectations. I would guess it blew away the

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community's expectations, and I would guess
blew away the SPS expectations. I said

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three twenty five for this one.
You said four oh eight I think was

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your number, So it blew those
away, you know, I mean it.

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This isn't really like a winner or
loss, I guess, but this

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is just a this is It's a
really good sign for for Burdogie, that's

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for sure. How will the turnout
for the fifty hundred dollars short deck bee

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It got three hundred and sixty three
entries. You said three forty five.

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You were pretty much right on that
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I said four to twenty five,
but it was a little bit lower.

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So, um, you get the
win there, I'll give you the

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winn. Who will win the fifty
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Johanness Becker aka Johnny Becker. Um, he got twelve. I had

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Benny Glazer, Benny the Laser Glazer, and he didn't cash. So,

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I mean we didn't pick the winner
there, but you know, you came

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cold so than I did. Who
will win the two hundred and fifty k

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Super high Roller? You said,
carry Katz. I said the guy who

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actually won the damn thing? Yes
Brewer, Well, definitely get he definitely,

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maybe absolutely nailed it. Chris Brewer
winning the two hundred fifty k Super

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high Roller, And I had that
as a prediction. Will Alliam Siovich play

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You said no? I said yes. I said, I said that the

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WSP main event would be too much
of a draw for him to miss.

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Now I'm pretty sure he didn't play
the main event, but he did play

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that shootout tournament and he won his
table. So, um, he won

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his first table. Um, so
I was right there, you were wrong.

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Um. And then we flipped for
Jake Schindler. You said yes,

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I said no, Um, so
you were right. I was wrong.

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Top three picks for WSP Player of
the Year. Of course, neither of

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us had Ian to take us the
winner. The two thousand was on my

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list. Okay, yeah, I
was like, you know, not just

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I'm just not sure I'm gonna you
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So you had Negrane, dan Zach, and Jeremy Osma. The Grani

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finished in eighteenth. Dan Zach did
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That's the only um that's as far
as the leaderboard goes on WP dot com.

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And then Jeremy Osmas finished in seventeenth. I had Sean deeve Ury Zevelevski

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and Shannon Shore. I was closer
because I had a second in eighth and

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then ninety first. But neither of
us picked Player of the Year. But

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you know, still which under the
radar player will be the biggest surprise.

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You went with Jeremy Becker. I
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five cashes for sixty one, nine
hundred and forty five dollars. He got

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three hundred and sixth place in the
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he wasn't really a surprise, Like, so, I can't give you a

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win here, but I also can't
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You know, Ostapchenko's biggest thing was
that he cashed the live WESP main events

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for the seventh year in a row, which is pretty crazy. Um,

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he got five hundred and forty seventh
and this year's made for the two thousand

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and five hundred, but he only
cashed four times for a little over seventy

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five k um, you know,
didn't really make a big splash. We

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were expecting, you know, these
guys to you know, our idea of

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like big surprise to be a couple
of final tables winning a bracelet, you

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know, something like that. So
I also had Ian Matacus on my list.

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Felt I thought, understood understandable which
big name player will be the biggest

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disappointment? You said, Daniel Mgron. You I naowed this now. I

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mean he cashed nineteen times for three
hundred and seventy three thousand, dollars,

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you know, but I'm gonna guess
that this wasn't a win for him.

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You know, I don't know how
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he didn't win. I don't think
I mean, obviously monetary terms, he

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lost the money, yeah, um, but I don't think he would give

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himself a check mark on this year's
world series. You know, he had

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some pretty deep runs that you know
didn't fall his way, especially online,

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so I would think that he would
probably mock this down as a loss,

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not not counting the money. So
I think I hit this one. I

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will say this. I'm gonna stand
firm and the fact that one of these

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years he's gonna rip off like two
or three bracelet wins. It's gonna have

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paradise, It's coming up, it's
gonna it's gonna happen. I had Phil

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Ivy, Phil Hommat, and Phil
golf On. I went with the three

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pills. Um Phil Hommy obviously one
gold bracelet number seventeen, So he shoved

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that right in my face. Yeah. Um, Phil Ivy didn't do much

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at all. He had I think
three cashes, two deep runs, but

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you know he also bubbled the two
fifty k. Yeah, so that could

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have been very different if he just
you know, folded there or whatever.

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It was. No, no,
no, no, he got unlucky to

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bubble. There was like a he
made a shot a big shop and got

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called lightly and the guy hit.
I think, if we're gonna find that

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hand history, I'm pretty sure he
got unlucky on the bubble. Okay,

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maybe I'm wrong. Um and then
Phil Golf and I'm not sure he showed

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up at all, so he didn't
play a single event. Yeah, so

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you know he was a disappointment.
What was he doing? Who knows?

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I mean fare Golf on was there
a bunch main event field size? You

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had eight thou twenty five and you
said that if it topped nine thousand,

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it would be a massive success.
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so I was closer than you were. I also say every podcast we did,

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the closer we got to the main
event, my number went out.

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No, of course, it just
was Yeah, which former w main event

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final table player will get closest to
the final table again. The actual winner

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was John Raisner. He got fifty
third this year after finishing second in two

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thousand and ten. Um, I
picked Jeremy Osmas who didn't cash. You

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had Dario Sammartino who did cash four
and twenty ninth place. So in terms

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of you versus me, you get
the w there bold prediction you didn't come

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up with anything for some reason,
I struggled one. I said someone will

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win three bracelets. It came close, it ultimately didn't happen, so you

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know that's not going to be a
win for me. There. And then

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the not so bold prediction. You
said the wind event attendance record will be

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broken, and it was. I
said Philms will cross the line and pace

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of play will be come an issue. I don't think Philham has crossed the

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line at all. I mean I
don't know, to be honest, he

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might have. I mean nothing that
was very public. That answers my question

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because if he did, you would
have heard about it, okay, yeah,

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you know, like it would have
blown up on social media. He

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would have said like I'm going to
burn the place down or whatever. He's

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had a couple of years ago,
like all that sort of stuff. But

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that that didn't happen. And then
pace of play. I don't really think

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it became an issue. Pace of
play became an issue in regards to like

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some of the mixed game structures,
but not like the players themselves. I

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think there was actually a lot of
talk about how players are playing pretty fast

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overall. There were some issues on
some bubbles, um, you know,

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completely understandable. Yeah, but it
wasn't. It wasn't like past years because

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it was like we need we need
clocks, we need this, we need

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that, we gotta go hand for
hand, like all this sort of stuff.

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Yeah, I agree with that,
all right. So that was just

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kind of recapping our predictions that we
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Can't wait to do those again next
year. Those are always fun to do,

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all right. I'll let you go
through these questions because you came up

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with them or you copied them from
last year or whatever. Actually, yes,

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a lot of them are repeats from
last year. So yeah, well,

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what is your most memorable moment from
this year's WSP mine. This might

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sound like a bit of a homer, but I honestly think you don't even

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know what I'm going to say.
I actually think it's having all these people

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that the podcast listeners come up to
us and say thanks for the pod.

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You know, they dropped the family
password for a hat. That was just

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so surprising to have people just keep
coming up to us and wanting to say

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hello, wanting to take us take
a picture. And then to follow on

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from that, it's just this the
lucky hat and then you know, Sweet

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lou Final tabling, the Limon hold
of and final tabling another event, and

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we had Manni final tabling the six
hundred deep sack, and like it be,

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came a thing where people were wanting
this lucky had, they're putting it

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on, they're making runs and it
was this kind of this like cool,

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you know, like moment that was
in our you know, in a circle

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of the podcast, but it just
felt like so real and such a big

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thing at the time. I like
that Mine was the team we drafted winning

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twenty five kans. Finally finally the
top these a holes, finally beat them

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all. Let's go shout out to
the squad. Thank you so much.

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So that's my most memorable moment.
Now, I'm assuming we're going to charge

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mock up next year, right one
point four or five? Definitely? No,

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next one, we have what was
your favorite WSP main event hand A

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lot of candidates here. I feel
like Honestly, the Jack's Queens Kings is

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kind of a layup slam dunking away. It's hard. I mean, it

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was on the biggest stage, fourteen
players left in the event. The guy

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who won the hand, Daniel Wineman, ultimately goes on to win the tournament.

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Like it had everything, you know, it had heartbreak on behalf of

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Josh Payne, It had an out
of nowhere miracle from Daniel Wineman, like,

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it had the reactions, it had
the huge money of the moment because

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you know, there was the the
Aces Kings and Ace queenhand that involved Bill

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Klein, Ryan Brown and I forget
the gentleman's name wherein Ryan Brown rivered the

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strait like, but that wasn't as
deep as this one was. There wasn't

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as much on the line as this
one was. So this is of course

407
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.119
my favorite hand, you know,
Yeah, the hand that's going to stick

408
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.599
out to me, the hand that
we're all going to remember from this basically

409
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.319
main events. Next one we have
who are the three biggest winners from the

410
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:48.279
twenty twenty three WSP. I got
a long list here. My first one,

411
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.119
I'm gonna say the poker go fans
out there because we did forty seven

412
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:57.920
days continuous live streaming. Haven't done
that before. It wasn't just you know,

413
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:02.359
some days we had we had two
streams going. You know, we

414
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.119
were doing mixed games, we were
doing omaha, we're doing hold them,

415
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:08.880
doing all kinds of different buy ins
on both poker Goo and on YouTube.

416
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.519
You know, we've never kind of
been all in like this for streaming.

417
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:15.880
And I think you know, we
had some hiccups with the Horseshoe Table,

418
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:22.000
but I think everyone really appreciated the
WSP. Every day I could watch something

419
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.200
something we've never done, something I
think was very successful. And you know,

420
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.640
I'm hoping we copy pace and do
this all again next year. Just

421
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:34.000
give all three years and I'll give
them. May put me on the spot.

422
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:36.720
Okay, what do you mean,
put you on the spot. You

423
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:37.920
don't have the other ones. No, I'm thinking of this on the fly.

424
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.519
Oh my gosh. You prepare the
questions and you're not even prepared to

425
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.680
give the answers. Correct. This
is how this is how I roll.

426
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.839
But you know, I'm so good
that I can just have things going there.

427
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:49.799
This is going to be you know, I like to throw things at

428
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.000
you from left field, so you're
ready for this one. No, I'm

429
00:27:53.000 --> 00:28:02.279
not. I'm not biggest winner Jamie
Gold. Now I'll tell you why he

430
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.160
that bad, to be honest,
because they put him on a pedestal.

431
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:14.279
Yes, they had him doing online
streams. They had him doing Shuffle Up

432
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.480
and deals. I had a fifty
k free role. Shout out Jay Faber

433
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:23.400
for winning that. He presented the
bracelet to Daniel Wyman. He was everywhere

434
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:29.720
and no offense. He was everywhere
after being nowhere exactly, you know,

435
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.319
And here's the thing, I'm gonna
have to give him a lot of credit.

436
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:34.240
You know. He did a lot
of press, he did a lot

437
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:40.279
of interviews, and he was great. He was happy to talk, he

438
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:48.839
was happy to give great answers.
He was actually like the perfect ambassador just

439
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:53.200
seventeen years later. So yeah,
but that also kind of that probably kind

440
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.920
of made him the perfect ambassador.
Is that, um in a way,

441
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.759
we didn't know what to expect from
it all, and it had been so

442
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.400
long, so you know, that
nostalgia factor kicking in, you know,

443
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.920
So I think, you know,
ultimately we were kind of all probably looking

444
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.480
at it, like Jamie Gold,
not sure if that's going to work out.

445
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:11.799
But I would say that, you
know, coming out of it,

446
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.200
it definitely worked out my third one
have a few, but I'm going to

447
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.400
go with with im Matakas. Now, heading into this World Series, he

448
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.920
had thirty eight WSP cashes. I
think it was like thirty one of them

449
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:29.079
were online across g G and WSP
and obviously this is this sounds very obvious.

450
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:30.880
Hey, he won Player of the
Year. You know, he won

451
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.079
Obviously a lot of money at the
World Series, is going to have a

452
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.960
banner. But as he as you
would have heard in that interview, you

453
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.599
know, he feels like this is
going to help him with you know,

454
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.880
he has people reaching out to him
for coaching. You know, now his

455
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.799
name's notable, he's him as a
brand if he wants to go down that

456
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.000
road. Him winning Player of the
Year has done a lot for that.

457
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.440
And you know, shout out ignoring
all the money, ignoring all of that,

458
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:02.039
shout out to him for being involved
in this race with Sean and Chris

459
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:07.960
and Josh taking it down and kind
of established himself as a young you know,

460
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.680
he's only twenty five pro that's got
some pretty damn decent poka chops.

461
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.480
And I think we're going to see
a lot of him in the future.

462
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.519
I also have Ima Takis on my
list. I won't go into it in

463
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.799
depth like you just took, because
you covered all the points. I got

464
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:26.519
Chris Brewer as well, because you
know, he had long been everyone's lovable

465
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.200
loser, you know, the lovable
bubble boy, and a lot of massive

466
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:36.720
spots, but finally breaks through winning
two doublesp Gold bracelets. He's had an

467
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:40.519
incredible twenty twenty three in general,
I'm winning a crap ton of money.

468
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.519
Um wins the two hundred and fifty
k super high Roller. You can definitely

469
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.920
tell how much it meant to him
winning that one. So yeah, Chris

470
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:52.039
Brewer is on my list. I
gotta go with the big rig Nick Rigby.

471
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:53.759
I mean, oh good one.
I like that. He's like the

472
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.400
biggest thing in Poger, Like everyone
just wants to see Nick Rigby, like

473
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.440
that's all they want. I know. Twenty one, he obviously made a

474
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.160
massive splash. Of course, he
can't coming into the doubp main event making

475
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.319
a deep run, you know,
slapping the dirty diaper on everyone's face,

476
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.720
you know, but he comes and
he does it again two years later.

477
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.839
I mean, Nick Rigby's like a
massive winner here he like he didn't even

478
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.519
like he finished one in the main
event one hundred and six or something like.

479
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.000
You know again where we're like,
we're looking at a guy who had

480
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.960
a massive impact on the whole thing, you know, from an entertainment perspective,

481
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.359
yet didn't crack the top one hundred. You know, it seems like

482
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.920
we get one or two of those
every single year. Um Nick Rigby again,

483
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.000
Like, I just think he showed
out and there's gonna be a lot

484
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.440
of opportunities and then I have one
more. I listen. I think the

485
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:45.319
dubsip itself one massive record setting fields
second largest live tournament ever with the Gladder

486
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.240
Years of Poker main event not only
breaks the record that was seventeen years old

487
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.000
from two thousand and six, it
absolutely blows it out of the water.

488
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.119
Like everything. You know. I
also think the up won with I think

489
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.880
they won with like the IMMA takes
thing like an own winning Player of the

490
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.319
Year is good for them, it's
good for the brand, it's good for

491
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.680
that POY race. It shows that, you know, it's it's not just

492
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.440
the Sean Deeves versus Josh Harris versus
Daniel mc Groanings of the World. Anyone

493
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.240
can win that that award. I
also think that Daniel Wineman is a great

494
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.119
winner. I think the WSP wins
by getting a great winner like that.

495
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.559
I think a lot of really really
good, well known pros one bracelets this

496
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.200
year, which I think is good
for the w SP. Like I think

497
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:30.240
everything that kind of happened this summer
is really really really good for the SIP

498
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:35.559
brand. So I gotta say the
doubsop I think one absolutely massive at the

499
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.720
twenty twenty three World Series of Poker. Yeah, that's what we both mentioned

500
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.359
last year as well. And I
think everything they did this year and all

501
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.759
the NAMA's brain broken just kind of
reiterates you know that again for the second

502
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:51.640
year. And I think everything got
better for the most part. Like I'm

503
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.359
struggling right now to say like,
oh this didn't get better, Like everything

504
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.119
I think got better. I mean
that's in the casino, Like you know,

505
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.640
they just need to give rid to
that casino part. Yeah, like

506
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.079
create a walkway or there is It's
actually funny, there is a back walkway

507
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.079
for like staff like awesome dealers,
But I never took it even though I

508
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.599
knew it, and I think you've
taken a once and got lost. I

509
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.160
did get lost. We do for
that option, you know, it just

510
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.440
it saves some steps. I kind
of liked the extra steps. I just

511
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.839
got to wear that mask in that's, you know, thirty feet of smoke

512
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.240
and I'll be okay. Next one, we have who are the three biggest

513
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:30.119
losers from the twenty twenty three WSP
I'm gonna assume we maybe both agree on

514
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.680
this. I have to put Daniel
a grinder in there again. But no,

515
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.799
I don't have Daniel. You can
do that. You know what he's

516
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.079
gonna I mean he might have.
He might have, like going back to

517
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.680
our prediction question, you know where
you named him as you know, possibly

518
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.599
being a disappointment, Like was he
a disappointment? I mean I guess so,

519
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.000
but like I don't really fully know, and I'm certainly not going to

520
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.079
put him on a biggest losers list, Like if this list was twenty five

521
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.720
long, I don't think he makes
it. Wow, Okay, well,

522
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.440
I guess I'm just showing disrespect to
Daniel. I guess. But you know

523
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:06.799
from why he sets you know,
what he wants to achieve at the WSPA

524
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.239
that is winning a bracelet. He's
obviously fallen short. He had a lot

525
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.960
of very deep runs, as we
kind of touched on already. You know,

526
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.880
he had fifth in the in the
Nolan Me Deuce, he had a

527
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:21.679
ninth in an online event. He
made some runs and he was in there

528
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.519
with chances, and if you watch
these vlogs, he took some beats here

529
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.440
and there. I think him personally
would be like, Okay, I didn't

530
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.960
win a bracelet. That's that's my
sole goal each year, and he didn't

531
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:37.239
achieve that. So to me,
I'm putting him on the list. I

532
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.599
don't know whether you agree, you
serviously don't, but I don't agree.

533
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.039
I disagree. Man, I had
a second one, now forgot it.

534
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.840
Well, my third one was going
to be a really out of left field

535
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:52.400
one, as always shocker, but
it's poker go. And I'll tell you

536
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:58.639
why. We have set now a
new floor for streaming, which is just

537
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.880
let me just let me finish.
Let me what in the world is this

538
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:07.280
let me finish new flaw? Meaning
we streamed every day all of June,

539
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.760
literally all of July, and we
have set such a high standard now that

540
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.239
we can't go back next year.
So why is that why does that make

541
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.239
us. We're just putting a lot
of pressure on us. I'm just saying

542
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.519
pressure. We have you know what's
made from pressure, diamonds. Diamonds,

543
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:29.719
mother effort. Let's go Okay,
this is the no I'm striking this.

544
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:31.440
Okay, Look, you're gonna have
to do your three and I have to

545
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.519
think of I've forgotten my second one. I just had it. But number

546
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:40.280
one, damn Jin rodden Off,
who who scored I think two points for

547
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.119
us on twenty five K fantasy all
summer long? Horrific, right, Feel

548
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.079
bad for the guy because he just
had a horrendous summer. Number two Alim

549
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.760
si Rich comes out with that video, the quote unquote apology video that everyone

550
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.639
just basically ripped to shreds, and
then he shows up and it's just like,

551
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.239
what the hell is going on?
Like, I think he probably lost

552
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:02.679
more so than he won by like
doing everything that he did, doing that

553
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.280
video the way that he did it, coming out, and then playing the

554
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.360
event like I think, you know, people like he should have just kind

555
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.679
of probably been quiet and not been
seen like that would have been better for

556
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.239
him. So that's why I think
that he's one of the biggest losers and

557
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.840
then this one, this one is
is kind of like, um, I

558
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:22.480
don't know this, this will be
my wackiest one, although it's I don't

559
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:27.400
think it's that wacky. Josh Payne
losing that hand with those kings, that's

560
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.880
that's I mean, yeah, that's
fun. I don't know, wins that

561
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.760
hand could be main event champion.
Yeah, now he's the fourteenth place finisher.

562
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:38.880
Like I mean, the loss like
swing there is just so enormous.

563
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.880
It's just it's unbelievable, and like
it's not his fault, right, Like

564
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:46.519
it's not his fault for doing that, Like he just he got unlucky.

565
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:51.760
I lose that. You know,
one winner we didn't mention Guy Fieri.

566
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.800
Guy Fieri is a winner. He's
I mean, you can loop him in,

567
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:59.199
you can loop him into what I
said one because the wop picking Guy

568
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.440
Fieri to do the brace that reveal. He was the best bracet reveal I've

569
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.360
ever seen, by a million miles. He used to do it every year.

570
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.559
Yeah, well next year he needs
to be like driving down the strip

571
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:14.599
in his car the red convertible yea, you know, stuff like that,

572
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.960
Like this Guy Fieri is the guy. Okay, I got three losers.

573
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:23.480
You ready a the hell of the
traffic that we had to deal with every

574
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.480
day for the F one. This
needs to be fixed next year. This

575
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.840
was the biggest headache for anyone coming
to the WSFV. Loser two Guy Fieri's

576
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:36.559
Flavor Town tried to go there three
times because shut out. Every time they

577
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.599
said there were full capacity when there
was like seven people in there. It

578
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.440
was a joke. That's lose It
two and Lose It three. Don't hate

579
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.360
on me friends on the live updates
scene, But the live updates this year

580
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.119
they were not great. I'm hoping
they get better. I'm not sure what

581
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:57.840
they can do, but they it
wasn't just them being bad. They just

582
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:01.280
got a They cupped a lot of
heat on on Twitter and it ain't you

583
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.800
know you and may have done it. It ain't an easy job, Listen,

584
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.199
It's not an easy job. But
if they would like to improve,

585
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:14.239
they have my email. Consultancy fee
isn't that outrageous? I will offer a

586
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.440
consultancy a couple hours. I'll turn
that thing rhetoric. What do what your

587
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.440
fee is? I bet you it's
at least enough to put you in the

588
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.559
twenty five K fantasy team League next
year, No, the next one.

589
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.360
We have what is the one thing
you're already looking forward to for the twenty

590
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.760
twenty four WSP. Mine is I
don't even know what to call it.

591
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.480
We'll just call it the Horseshoe Events
Center, and I'll tell you why.

592
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:44.480
On the last day that we were
there, me and Justin now chief of

593
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:50.599
Set Design, plus some WSP people, we're kind of re engineering the floor

594
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.519
plan for the stage and how we
can fit more tables, how we can

595
00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:00.239
make the flow better and if everything
holds, and who knows it will where

596
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.320
nine months out could completely change.
But we have our main stage, we

597
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:09.159
have our Horseshoe, we have more
feature table areas. I think that whole

598
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:15.000
room is going to look absolutely awesome. It's going to put the stage the

599
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:21.079
Pokago area like on a pedestal.
It's going to look amazing. If we

600
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:22.880
just can keep that plan, you
know, it's going to go obviously through

601
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.760
revisions with the higher ups at WSP, but if it can stay as it

602
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:34.199
is, it is going to be
an incredibly looking events center with more tables,

603
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.920
more feature tables, more bright lights, and I can't wait for that.

604
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:45.840
Mine is the energy I believe.
I saw Adam Levy aka Ruthless mentioned

605
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.360
this on social media, and I
had been it's funny, it's weird Hodo

606
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.679
things just kind of like come together
or work out. But I had been

607
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:58.760
thinking about this exact thing when I
happened to see his tweet and he was

608
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:04.519
talking about how like his biggest takeaway
is the energy, Like it feels like

609
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.719
the World Series of Poker, the
summer that we all knew that it was,

610
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.320
is officially back. Last year.
I don't think it was fully back,

611
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.639
not that it wasn't awesome, not
that it wasn't back, but it

612
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.480
wasn't one hundred percent back. This
year, like you could feel the energy

613
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:22.480
around everything like you had you had
Sean Deep doing his thing, trying to

614
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.320
play all these different tournaments, chased
down Player of the Year. You had

615
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.199
like you know, like the field
sizes were huge everywhere, the lines were

616
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:31.920
huge everywhere, like like everyone was
excited to see each other. You had

617
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.239
big name pros, win embraces like
everything. So like, I'm looking forward

618
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.119
to that energy being back now because
every single year that energy was back,

619
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.360
right, every single year it was
that energy. It was like this is

620
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.239
the World Series of poker, this
is it right, And last year,

621
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.280
like it was great to be back. Of course, it was great to

622
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.079
move down to the strip and all
that sort of stuff, and we both

623
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:57.559
thought that it was it was a
very positive summer. But this is the

624
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.920
first year to me that it fully
felt like we're fin back. And and

625
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.559
I also mean like like over the
years, like there's always been these bumps

626
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.760
in the road for poker, but
but you know, specifically the World Series

627
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.719
of Poker, like you had you
had two thousand and six, that's the

628
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.400
record with the main event eight thousand
and seven hundred and seventy three entries.

629
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:21.280
Later that year, September Slash October
UIGEA gets passed right, just whacks everything

630
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:22.880
down, like it just it just
knocks us all down, takes us,

631
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.199
you know down to one nique,
you know, all that sort of stuff.

632
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:29.159
Then we're struggling to kind of get
back up. Then it's boom Black

633
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:31.719
Friday just absolutely claubers us as an
industry. Then it's like we're trying to

634
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.239
grind, grind, grind back up
and like everything's going kind of in the

635
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.239
right direction. Then it's boom Pandemic. It's like, come on, can

636
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.639
we catch a break here as an
industry, Like can the World Series of

637
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:44.000
Poker catch a break? Is as
a tournament series? Like all these numbers

638
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.960
and everything, and like now it's
like we're back. The momentum is there,

639
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:51.039
the trajectory is there, the field
numbers are huge, the energy in

640
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:52.320
the room is there. People are
doing what they should be doing, Like

641
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.119
even something like Jason Murcer are coming
back winning to brace it. Like that's

642
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:00.719
like the World Series of Poker is
fully act Like that's what I love about

643
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.280
it. So that's what I'm looking
forward to next year, is that same

644
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.400
energy carrying through again, because I
feel like we really grabbed hold of it

645
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.960
this year, you know, as
a community, and I can't wait to

646
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:22.119
see what comes next year. What
is something you would change for the twenty

647
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.880
twenty four wsp an Easy one,
add more tables. Already kind of touched

648
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:30.519
on that with the regig of the
event center hopefully, But the one I

649
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.400
really hope they spend some time looking
at is I think we're gonna have the

650
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.840
same on the schedule. Oh never
mind. Now I'm not saying like,

651
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:43.840
hey, let's add this new event, let's add this event. I'm talking

652
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.440
more about you know, we have
three big field no limit hold them tournaments

653
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.000
that use the entire every poker table
in both Paris and the Horseshoe. But

654
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.679
when we have these multiple restarts,
you know, the day two is the

655
00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:00.760
final tables over the top of a
colossus or a gladiators. As well as

656
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:05.599
trying to stop five pm events,
sorry, the afternoon, two pm events,

657
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.039
three pm events, etc. It
makes it so tough from an operator

658
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.320
standpoint to get everyone seated. So
I'm hoping that they can say, Okay,

659
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.800
you know, we have the classes
starting on Saturday, Let's try and

660
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:21.119
finish events on Friday and then kind
of clear out the day one flight so

661
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.639
that every table can be used for
the classes. Get everyone seated, let

662
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:28.920
everyone re enter, no waiting,
no lines, try and do as much

663
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:34.000
as possible to make that a possibility. For twenty twenty four, mine is

664
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:39.000
WSP Player of the Year, and
I loop everything. I loop the formula

665
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.559
into that. I loop the efficiency
of getting the results out there and populated

666
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.440
on the website so people can track
it and know where they're standing, and

667
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.679
then also the prizes. I think, you know, I know when we

668
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.280
had Sean Deebon earlier in the summer. You know, he hit on the

669
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.800
prizing aspect, So I think I
think there's a big opportunity there for WSP

670
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.880
Player of the Year. So you
know, addressing that a little bit more

671
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:00.679
I think would go a long way. And I think you kind of heard,

672
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.880
you know, the formula stuff,
the efficiency stuff, the prizes stuff.

673
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.079
I think that's what you heard from
like the players that were in that

674
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.480
race all the time. Like we
kind of don't know where we stand because

675
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:14.440
the you know, the points aren't
updated you know, in a timely matter.

676
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:16.159
The online stuff takes a little bit
too long to get in there.

677
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.199
Maybe the formula needs a little bit
tweaking. You know, we've heard that.

678
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.159
Um, the prizes, of course, you know I don't know of

679
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.199
any prizes. I don't think you
do either, So like, you know,

680
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.559
can we get a trophy? Can
we bring back yeah, like a

681
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.920
ton of like a big prizes,
Like I think if you put some money

682
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.239
towards that, you know, I'm
not and it needs to be a ton

683
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:38.480
of money. I mean, in
a perfect world you do something like you

684
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:40.960
know, five hundred K would go
towards it, right, But I don't

685
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.079
know if that's doable. But even
if you did, like a hundred K

686
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.400
something like that. You know,
um, I think you'd probably make up

687
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:50.760
for that um in some some revenue
somewhere, or you know, you could

688
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.159
just take it out of the rake
chalk it up to a marketing cost whatever

689
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.239
it may be. But um,
you know, I think the BSP Player

690
00:44:55.239 --> 00:45:00.400
of the Year is is extremely deserving
and probably the thing that be celebrated the

691
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.519
most, next to the WSP Made
Event champion. Maybe maybe you know it's

692
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:07.719
it's second to the PPC champion,
but you know, you get you get

693
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.639
my drift there. I think it's
second, definitely second. Yeah, I

694
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.920
mean it's it's you know, you
could I think you could probably argue either

695
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.320
way. It's fine, you know, but you know, if they're going

696
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:20.440
to constantly say that, you know, this is like the Olympics of poker,

697
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.079
then I think you need to celebrate
like the person that performs the best

698
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.880
over the course of that whole thing. Yeah. I'm wondering if, if,

699
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.199
if WSP Paradise is here to stay, I wonder if it makes sense

700
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.840
to put a bunch of WSP Paradise
prize packages, you know, for the

701
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.639
top three or top ten. Whoever
knows how many people can talk about WSP

702
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.280
Paradise for the entire summer in a
way, it can be part of all

703
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.639
the footnotes. Yeah, I like
that. What is something you would like

704
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.000
Poker Go to do for the twenty
twenty four WSP. Mine is, you

705
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.679
know we've already mentioned, Hey,
the four is now set streaming every day.

706
00:45:55.239 --> 00:46:00.880
I would like us to you know, maybe make the Horseshoe YouTube table

707
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.280
just better, whether it's you know, how it's set up, the camera

708
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.199
quality, you know what we stream, and all in all, just kind

709
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.039
of stream as much as we can, whether it's two tables every day,

710
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.760
more day, two coverage, just
giving the people what they want when it

711
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:22.159
comes to being able to watch the
WSP. Yeah, mine is stream everything,

712
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.400
stream, more, stream as much
as possible. I mean I think

713
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.719
that, you know, we need
to constantly be looking to raise the bar,

714
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.119
you know, push our standards you
know, higher and higher every single

715
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:38.159
year. I think that's only natural
to do. I do think we did

716
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:43.320
well to do that this year,
with you know, doing the streaming every

717
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.159
single day, having you know,
some days when we did two events and

718
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.199
when a one on the horse shoe, one on the main set, stuff

719
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:51.840
like that, we did you know, I think it was last year we

720
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.639
didn't have coverage to the day ones, the main event. This year we

721
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:55.559
did have coverage to that, so, you know, stuff like that.

722
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.960
I think we did a lot of
or we made a lot of positive stride.

723
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.760
But I think that you can't just
then, you know, get complacent

724
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.719
and be like, yeah, this
is it. No, you need to

725
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.440
constantly get better. So internally,
you know, that's what I'm going to

726
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.800
be pushing for, like how can
we stream more? How can we do

727
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:14.519
more things? In an ideal world, you would be able to log onto

728
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:19.159
poker Go during the USP and you
can there's let's say there's three final tables

729
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.559
running, you can have a stream
for all of them, and then there's

730
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.599
a fourth option that it like literally
shows them all at once, like you

731
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:28.119
know when you look at um,
you know, some of the NFLFL packages

732
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.599
or red zone stuff like that.
You know, like like that would be

733
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.239
like an NFL or sorry, a
poker version of red zone would be kind

734
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.000
of cool, you know, that
would be very cool. I don't know

735
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.320
how that would work out. I
have no idea how much that would cost.

736
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:40.800
All that sort of stuff is you
know, above my pay grade.

737
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:45.320
But something that I would happily throw
out there as an idea and try and

738
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:50.519
push for because I think that that
sort of stuff is going to help.

739
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.400
It obviously elevates poker coverage, but
the better the poker coverage gets, hopefully

740
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:57.920
the more people that are reaches,
the more people that can draw on and

741
00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:59.960
have an interest in the game and
all that sort of stuff. So,

742
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.440
um, that's what you know.
I'll probably spend way too much time over

743
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.519
the next bunch of months trying to
push for Don't know if it'll work out

744
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.000
or not, but you know,
if you're a fan of poker coverage,

745
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.239
you can know that, Um,
Tim and I will probably be out there,

746
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.199
you know, standing on some tables
in the conference room, yelling about

747
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:21.880
what we need to do. Final
question, how many entrants in the twenty

748
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:27.360
twenty four WSP main event? Firstly, do we think it's gonna get more

749
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.719
or less? I think it's gonna
be less, I think, but I

750
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.800
still think it's gonna be very high. I think, like okay, and

751
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.400
I would and I would hope it's
more. To be honest, I would

752
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.440
hope it's small too. I just
they made a big push this year.

753
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:43.880
I think everyone was when I say
that, I hope it's more. What

754
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.000
I'm really saying is that I hope
the push is the same, help the

755
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.760
marketing is the same. I hope
the drive to get the number bigger is

756
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.000
the same. Like I I you
know, much like I don't think that

757
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:57.440
we should just sit back and be
like we did a lot of great things

758
00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:59.719
like this is it. We're just
gonna roll the balls out and do the

759
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:01.559
same thing next year. Like I
don't think that, you know, WIPE

760
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:05.159
should do that same thing. They
should want to push the number higher,

761
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.880
you know, and if it gets
higher and higher, like I mean,

762
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.000
that'd just be incredible, you know. Which I think that there's a really

763
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.679
good chance that it can do,
you know, because again going back to

764
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.719
that whole thing I gave about,
like the energy and like officially being back

765
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.199
and all that sort of stuff,
Like I think it only starts to build

766
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.360
and it can really snowball, you
know. I'm I'm not saying they're going

767
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.840
to get twelve thousand next year,
but I think you can go up a

768
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.880
little bit and up a little bit
every single year. That should be the

769
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.400
goal. I think it's not going
to hit ten thousand and forty three,

770
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:35.760
but I still think it could be
right around that ten thousand of them.

771
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:40.599
I just I'm just no shore ten
thousand and eighty is my number. I'm

772
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.440
gonna ten thousand and twenty. Okay, I went both wrong. I hope

773
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:51.280
it's just eleven thousand, two hundred
and seventy one. Sure, I mean

774
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:52.960
it could be. Yeah, I
don't see about why it couldn't be.

775
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.519
All right, we have some questions. Yeah, So thank you to our

776
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.840
listener and all summer long, you
know, and those of you you especially

777
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.400
who wrote in questions for us to
answer. We're gonna go through some of

778
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.239
these now. We've got a handful
of them. As always, listen,

779
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.760
the questions don't just necessarily stop with
this episode. If you got a question,

780
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:15.639
you can email it into podcast at
poker dot com. You can tweet

781
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:20.000
at us, at Donnie Underscore Peters
or at tram Stop with a zero.

782
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.400
Um. He's really got to change
that Twitter name, but you know he

783
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:24.559
just won't do it for whatever.
God. If you give me a suggestion,

784
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.320
a good one, I'll change it. But I can't find anything good.

785
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:32.159
Should be the statman or something like
that. That's lame. Oh well,

786
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:36.679
tramp Stop is definitely lame. That's
my look, that's my long time

787
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:42.119
sounds like tramp stamp. Okay,
it does, it's ridiculous, Okay,

788
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.159
um, all right, I'll go
shopping for all right. Jason Palmer said,

789
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:51.039
how many times did Alan Kessler go
to McDonald's during the wicip The line

790
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:52.960
is ten? Are we supposed to
have a real answer here? Because I

791
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:59.000
have no idea. I think it's
over, but probably yeah, I mean

792
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:00.599
it's probably over. Sure. How
about yours? What was your line?

793
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:07.639
What like my line? How many
times had you got to McDonald's zip?

794
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.360
Wait, you have it to you
on LLOWI let me think about I didn't

795
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.880
take it to McDonald's. I've taken
of chicken nuggets. No, no,

796
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.559
she's not. She loves the chicken
nuggets. M but I basically don't see

797
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.280
my family. During the World Series
of Poker at the point that there was

798
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.039
no going to McDonald's. During the
World Series of Poker, Joe Jackson asked,

799
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:28.079
what do you think the final one
hundred players of the doublespan event would

800
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.280
look like? If the event was
not a freeze out on an allowed unlimited

801
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.840
re entries, it would be definitely
more pro slash high roller heavy. A

802
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:43.719
lot of these, you know,
people that have flown out from South Dakota

803
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.639
or wherever and one bulleted. Maybe
they don't even come out, you know,

804
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:52.000
maybe they just skip it entirely.
U and if you, if you

805
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.119
are a pro, they can fire
multiple times. I think it would look

806
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:59.159
up very similar to like what the
five Diamond used to look like. You

807
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.760
know, here at the jo in
Vegas, where you know, some pros

808
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.559
are in for full five six bullets, you know, by the by the

809
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.760
final fifty it's pretty much all big
names. I think it would looks something

810
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:13.039
pretty similar to that. Yeah,
I mean you pretty much took the words

811
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.880
right out of my mouth. I
would like in it to looking like WPT

812
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.800
five Diamond did back in the day. Again, I think a lot of

813
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:22.719
the more recreational or amateur players would
be less inclined to come out. So

814
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:27.920
yeah, I love that. I
main event the way it is with the

815
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.679
buying at ten k, you know, it being a freeze out all that

816
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.760
sort of stuff. I don't think
it needs to change unless something forces it

817
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.320
to change, where like you know, numbers start dipping every single year or

818
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.760
something like that. But yeah,
I personally don't think that that's going to

819
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:46.880
happen anytime soon. M Richard Holly
asked, what are the players poker literature

820
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:53.320
great? Not talking supersystem but like
the rounders of books, so like fictional

821
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:57.440
or does he mean just non strategy
books. I think he means in just

822
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.639
non strategy and just non strategy poker
books. I really liked One of a

823
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:08.039
Kind, Well, it's just Shoanga
book written by Nolan Dalla and The Check

824
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:14.679
Raising the Devil, the Mike Matasau
book, I thought was just very interesting,

825
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:19.119
very fascinating. There's a couple of
really good books that I'm actually on

826
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:23.480
my read analysts because I have some
time. You know, Blood Ass is

827
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:27.519
one of them, Cowboys Full I
think you might have read both of those.

828
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.760
They're on my next list, and
I've heard just fantastic things about those.

829
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:36.800
Yeah, I think all those are
great books. Mine is I think

830
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.800
it's an absolute slam dunk. As
soon as I read this question, the

831
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:43.119
answer popped right into my head,
and that is the Professor of the Banker

832
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.880
and the Suicide King inside The Richest
Poker Game of All Time, written by

833
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:52.400
Michael Craig. Every time someone asked
me about like a poker book that isn't

834
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.480
a strategy book. This is the
one that I always mentioned every single time.

835
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:01.079
Absolutely love this book. It's about
when the quote unquote corporation of a

836
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:07.599
bunch of professional players went up against
Andy Beale. Michael Craig was basically like

837
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:09.840
live in the room, like you
know, reporting, giving his recollection and

838
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.079
everything that happened. I would definitely
check out the Professor, the banker,

839
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:20.480
and the suicide King. Logan Hunt
said, is Daniel putting too much pressure

840
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:24.000
on himself with the daily vlogs and
everything he has going on? Does he

841
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:30.079
need to refocus on playing poker?
Is the pressure of not winning a bracelet

842
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.599
so long sorry in so fan long
getting to him. I think there is

843
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:40.440
some pressure to definitely win another bracelet. I interviewed him last year about this

844
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:47.360
exact question topic about the vlogging,
and you know, he said, yeah,

845
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.960
basically, I like to do this. It's a way for me to

846
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.320
you know, in a way event
get my you know, my bad baits

847
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.239
out of my mind, toalk through
my hands. And he actually enjoys it.

848
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:04.280
He enjoys the rhythm of you know, filming recording, going back to

849
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:07.400
his room and discussing some of the
things he did wrong or the things he

850
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.519
did he did correctly. So I
think he actually enjoys that. I don't

851
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.320
think he'll ever stop vlogging. He's
already hinted at bringing the vlog back for

852
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:22.320
WS Top Paradise, And you know, he always talks about his fans and

853
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.519
trying to grow the game, and
this is this is part of it,

854
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:30.639
and I think he realizes that it's
kind of important. And if it's doesn't

855
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.440
affect him too much, you know, I think he'll keep doing it.

856
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:39.480
It might be affecting him and taking
some away of his poker plane. I

857
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:43.079
don't I don't fully know. I
mean, he could probably answer it a

858
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.440
little bit better than we could.
That said, I also don't necessarily think

859
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:52.159
that Daniel really needs to win,
like I mean, I think he's gotten

860
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.320
to the point where, yeah,
he is where he is. Like if

861
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:58.719
if Daniel doesn't win another poker tournament
for the rest of his career, like

862
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.960
crazy hypothetical, I mean, his
legacy doesn't change. In my opinion,

863
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:06.159
He's still one of the best poker
players ever, Like, I mean,

864
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.320
that's just how he is. I
think that this sort of stuff that Daniel

865
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:10.440
does with these vlogs. I mean, I wish that he would do more

866
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:14.800
vlogs. I wish that he would
show up to Poker Masters vlogging every single

867
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.760
day. I wish he would show
up to Super High Rollerable vlogging every single

868
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:19.840
day. Like that's what I wish. I mean, I don't know if

869
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.079
that's doable, of course, but
like I wish it wouldn't just be the

870
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.599
World Series of Poker. I mean, he is like this is like if

871
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:30.440
Lebron James, if Michael Jordan,
if you know any of these like top

872
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.559
top guys in their sport or industry, put a camera on them basically twenty

873
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:38.519
four seven during the biggest time of
the year. I mean, it's incredible

874
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:43.639
content. It's incredible insider information,
like just you get to peel back the

875
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:45.840
curtain on what it's like to be
not only a poker player during the World

876
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:51.320
Series of Poker, but being one
of the biggest best poker players at the

877
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.559
World Series of Poker. I mean, it's it's amazing, you know,

878
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.480
and you know, I'm sure he
makes a lot of money from the vlogs

879
00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:59.920
too, so you know, whatever, who needs to win a brace,

880
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:02.639
Well, he just got the YouTube
revenue rolling in. Most importantly, he

881
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.599
gives us some shout outs. Oh
yeah, of course he don't keep your

882
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.519
actual listeners. But the vlogs that
he does are just great. I think

883
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:15.159
that they're great. So I mean, is he maybe taking away from some

884
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.000
of the poker stuff. I mean, I would say that there's an argument

885
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:20.360
for yes, But you said that
you talk to him, and there's an

886
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:22.480
argument for no. Where like it
actually helps him, Like he can talk

887
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.239
through things, he can you know, that sort of stuff. So it

888
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:29.480
can probably go either way. Overall, I don't think that the pressure of

889
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:31.679
not winning embrace that is necessarily getting
to him. Obviously. I think that

890
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:34.639
he would like to win one.
You know, don't get me wrong.

891
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.000
He's extremely competitive and he definitely wants
to win. But I think that he

892
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:44.559
also understands that, you know,
poker is filled with variants, especially in

893
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.239
tournaments. You know. I know
that people kind of came at him that

894
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.760
one year for for not winning at
the WSP, but then he wanted super

895
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.000
higher rollable and like over the year
and netted out positive. So it's like,

896
00:57:55.440 --> 00:58:00.400
I understand that you can like condense
the sample size to just the spe

897
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:04.840
but if you expand it over a
bigger sample size. He's a huge winner,

898
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.440
So I mean, I don't see
why you know. I mean,

899
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.119
listen, yeah, it's the same
sort of thing like I would look at

900
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.719
like Phil Helmyton be like, well
he's never won a WPT type. It's

901
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.920
just how it is. It's just
sometimes that's how the cookie crumbles in poker,

902
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:20.400
and especially in poker tournaments. Michael
Laramire, I really want to play

903
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:22.199
the main main event this year,
but wasn't able to. Deep down,

904
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.199
I'm hoping next year is even bigger. If you were in charge of WSP

905
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:30.960
marketing, what would you do to
ensure twenty twenty four builds on twenty twenty

906
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.800
three success? Is a hundred million
dollars guarantee for the main event? Overly

907
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:39.079
ambitious. Uh yeah, that's a
big number. But if you did that,

908
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:45.480
I'm pretty sure you would automatically have
a bigger main event. But outside

909
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.920
of guarantees, which is a very
easy way to ensure its size, I

910
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:54.199
would you know, right now basically
stop be all in on satellites around the

911
00:58:54.239 --> 00:59:00.280
country, around the world with both
Caesar's properties and Caesar's partners, and just

912
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:07.920
start the satellite program now and build
putting people in and highlighting the amount of

913
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:12.360
seats you've given away, and highlight
even highlight some of these players, you

914
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:16.239
know, like whether it's onwsup dot
com or through a media partner such as

915
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:22.280
you know, pokon news or card
player, and just kind of start now

916
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:27.360
for next year, start building the
pool of players where who knows. By

917
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.800
you know, May twenty twenty four, you can say, hey, we've

918
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:35.039
already given away eighteen hundred seats and
in the main event, and think that

919
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.400
helps people just oh, you know, don't take this the wrong way,

920
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:42.599
or there's some value. You know, we have eighteen hundred qualifiers from around

921
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.519
the world already, it's not even
including online. And then also build that

922
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:52.519
online partnership with GG with WSP dot
com and get more players in from the

923
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.800
online field as well. I think
that's the biggest way to make sure that

924
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:00.039
next year's main event and all future
main events are successful. Yeah. I

925
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.199
would. I would run back the
WISP main event seat for life for a

926
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.360
thirty years thing. I would just
basically lock that in that if we break

927
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.199
the record, anytime we break the
record, that's in play. I just

928
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.159
put that out there, right And
then I agree with you on the satellites.

929
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:21.119
I think you just need to foster
the growth from the satellite realm,

930
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.880
you know, really just start having
them, start start building them. I

931
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.840
mean in a way, I think
you could even maybe have one that is,

932
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.079
at the end of this year's a
World Series of ogre for the next

933
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.400
year, you know, allow people
to kind of win their seat in as

934
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:36.719
they're as they're exiting the World Series
of Poker. In a way, I

935
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:40.519
would for sure be highlighting satellite winners
or around the world, you know,

936
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.159
wherever they come from. I would
take an approach to you know what Poker

937
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.440
Starts did with the first PSPC,
really putting content behind it, you know,

938
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:51.239
telling the stories of these people that
win these seats, you know where

939
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:52.639
they came from, how much money
they want it for, what it means

940
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.000
to them, chasing that dream,
all that sort of stuff, because that's

941
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.480
just going to create buzz, create
fomo, you know, all that sort

942
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.039
of stuff, anticipation, blah blah
blah, whatever you want to call it.

943
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:06.679
Um, it's really just gonna build
towards it. I'm not so sure,

944
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.800
you know, a guarantee of one
hundred million dollars is really needed on

945
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:13.559
the Osman event, I think that
it's it's fine without it. They had

946
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:16.599
almost ninety four million dollars or ninety
three million plus in the prize school this

947
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:20.880
year. I think I think if
they keep going and they're in the right

948
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:24.320
direction, they'll they'll probably break one
hundred million at some point. Um.

949
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:29.079
But yeah, I think it just
comes down to really like the satellite stuff

950
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.480
and putting people in and then and
then promoting those satellites, as Tim said,

951
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:35.760
promoting the numbers, you know,
telling people like we got fifteen hundred

952
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.119
people that just won their seeds,
we got this many people, this many

953
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:40.280
people, like you know, have
like a little ticker on the website that's

954
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.679
like we've now qualified one thy twenty
five and you know, satellite winners,

955
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:49.280
and it just constantly goes up because
you know that's going to attract a lot

956
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:52.239
of people to come out and play
this event. Daniel ass why does WSP

957
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.039
remove bracelet events from the lobby so
quickly? I'm assuming he's guessing from the

958
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:00.639
online lobby. UM, I don't
know, yeh. I mean, I

959
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:07.280
asked them, actually this is feeding
of these questions in But they said something

960
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:12.599
about just so many tournaments on that
they just try and clear anything that's kind

961
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:16.800
of complete. It obviously sucks for
you know, the media outlets looking for

962
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:21.639
results, or people looking for twenty
five k results or you know, maybe

963
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.119
just sweating, Oh how did my
friend do in that event? But yeah,

964
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:28.119
I don't know why they can't keep
it. Maybe it's a new tab,

965
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:36.159
not really sure. It's probably something
to do maybe with gaming regulations law.

966
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.920
The bracelet events, I think everything
definite three dollars rebuy. You can

967
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.119
probably get everything else see you later. But the bracelet events I think should

968
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.360
certainly stay throughout the summer or you
know, if that is an issue,

969
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:52.760
we're like, you know, keeping
it online. For whatever reason it is

970
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:57.239
an issue, then have like a
dedicated landing page on the website where people

971
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:00.199
can go and the results are populated
like you know, prety much almost instantaneously

972
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.320
you pulled the report you put it
in there. Um that you know that

973
01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:07.000
would be be good as well.
Yeah, hi, Voss, why aren't

974
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:12.159
there any other events streamed since the
main event? Is that just a choice

975
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:15.960
or a production thingum? He added
that he loved all the stream final tables

976
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:20.239
throughout the sp Like right now the
short deck or the five K eight max

977
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:24.519
would be very entertaining to end the
WSP. I mean, this is just

978
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:29.119
there's only one day. Let's just
get that. There's only one day.

979
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:34.599
We could do another a stream because
the main event finished on you know,

980
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.079
on the Monday, and the final
day was Tuesday. The second part of

981
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:44.320
that is assets gone. The minute
Dan Wyman one and left the main stage,

982
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.519
we were pulling it down because it
takes a massive team and a massive

983
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.519
amount of time to to get that
rid of that set. And unfortunately we

984
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:58.880
as in not just pub, we
is in the WSP and public have to

985
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:02.000
be out of that space for the
next convention to roll in, you know

986
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:08.239
straight away. Convention space is super
valuable and super premium in Las Vegas,

987
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:12.800
with very tight windows and turnarounds,
and yeah, we had to be out

988
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.400
of there quickly. We had our
team going home wanting to get back to

989
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.719
their families after you know, seven
weeks of streaming. So that's the main

990
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:25.039
reason. If the main event was
right in the middle of the World Series,

991
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:29.199
you know, we would definitely be
streaming afterwards. But the way the

992
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.360
cookie crumbled, you know, way
for this one, there's only one more

993
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.119
event. Didn't really know when I
was going to get to a final table,

994
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:39.960
it was just much easier to end
on the high note of the record

995
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:44.400
setting main event. I mean,
it's it's tricky because part of me wants

996
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:47.039
to say, well, why can't
we just you know, going back to

997
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.159
what I said earlier in terms of
poker grow what we would like to improve,

998
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:53.840
like you know, streaming or streaming
as much as possible, Like,

999
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:57.039
well, why can't we do other
stuff during the main event, you know,

1000
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.480
have some secondary tables. But then
the other side of me says,

1001
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.960
well, do you really want to
highlight things that are then taking away from

1002
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:09.639
the main event, Because let's say
you get a main event final table like

1003
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:13.840
we had this year, you don't
have an absolutely massive name at it.

1004
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:15.639
You know, you have a Daniel
Wineman, you have a Tobey Lewis as

1005
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.079
the biggest names, but you know
you don't have a Negron, you a

1006
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:23.239
helm with and Ivy that sort of
stuff. And then let's say at that

1007
01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:26.719
same time that that's playing out,
you know you got Phil Helmey at the

1008
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:30.920
final table of the ten k shortech, Well, should you really be focusing

1009
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:36.639
on Helm Youth when you want the
focus to be on the main event.

1010
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:40.360
I mean it, I'm not.
I'm just throwing it out there. I'm

1011
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:42.679
not really sure that I can give
an answer on that right now. I'd

1012
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:44.960
have to think about it a little
bit more. But you know, it's

1013
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:46.320
like, what do you want to
highlight? Do you want to highlight this

1014
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thing that's happening over here because it's
got a big name at it, which

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of course, you know, I
know a lot of people would be interested

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01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:56.960
in, you know, or should
the focus be strictly on the main event?

1017
01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:59.639
I mean, that's the biggest and
baddest of them all, Like that's

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01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.559
the most important tournament, right,
So it's tricky, right, Um,

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So yeah, I don't I don't
necessarily know the answer right now, you

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know, I think end of the
end of the day, like I want

1021
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:14.400
everything to be streamed from the World
Series of Poker. I just don't know

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01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.159
that when it comes to basically me
an event time, Like, I don't

1023
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:20.440
know if yeah, if you do
it then right, So I don't know.

1024
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:23.519
It's tricky to me. It's it's
it's I mean, it's a good

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01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:26.719
question. I mean, I don't
know. Who knows. Maybe somebody can

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01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:29.480
have a better answer than than I
can. By saying that I don't know

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all right, that's gonna do it
for Tim and I hopefully you guys enjoyed

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this finals sop recap pod, specific
pod, whatever you want to call it.

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01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.119
Um, we'll be moving back to
a cadence of once a week as

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we normally do. Maybe you know, we'll kick it up to more than

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01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:51.599
once a week depending on what's going
on. Um, we got the what

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do we got coming up? Well
with season three No Gamini Future. Yeah,

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01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:58.840
like on Poker Go, we got
season three of No gamin The Future

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01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.599
already kicked off, that's running weekly. We got Season eleven of High Stakes

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01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:05.239
Poker is coming up in August.
We have High Stakes Duel between Daniel Lagroni

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and Doug polk Is coming up in
August. In September, we got Poker

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01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:15.280
Masters coming up that's going to lead
into the second edition of PGT Mix Games,

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01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.760
and then right after that the second
edition of the PGTPLO series. So

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you know, I'm really looking forward
for that sort of stuff. So yeah,

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I mean, listen, we're gonna
have a little bit of time off

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here. Tim's going on a vacation, but yeah, can't wait, can't

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01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.679
wait? All right, Well,
that's gonna do it for us. My

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name is Donny Peters. His name
is Tim Duckworth. We'll talk to you

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guys later. Bas