WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:08.199 Streaming live on the iHeartRadio app. This is I on the Ball with Steve 2 00:00:08.279 --> 00:00:13.919 Rivera and Jake and Salez on Fox Sports fourteenth fifty. Hey, welcome back 3 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:16.679 to Twining the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen. Cookie, I'm Steve, 4 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:21.039 He's Jay. Now we have Henry with breaking news. This is I on 5 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:27.640 the Ball Breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. The first story. Arizona 6 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:33.479 starting pitcher Cam Walty was named thirteen All American and he was the first Arizona 7 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:37.840 pitcher to be named an All Americans since twenty sixteen. In addition, him 8 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:41.640 and Mason Wipe were names of All Region team and the All American teams for 9 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:47.520 position players will be announced on five. So kenyai, no no mention? 10 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:51.000 Yes, well, Cam Walt had a better one loss record, right, 11 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.679 I mean he won like nine games, right or something like that. I 12 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:56.359 think he lost twenty one two maybe, Yeah, I think he was like 13 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.399 nine and two or something like that. And then again as eight, you 14 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.799 know, he was also way uh you know, a number three starter. 15 00:01:03.480 --> 00:01:08.040 So yeah, I mean, you know it makes sense. I'm trying to 16 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:12.359 lead see what his record was, Yeah, it was like nine to two. 17 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:17.120 I'm like something like that, so, you know, you know, 18 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.359 good for him. I mean, that's it's kind of crazy that he was 19 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.319 your number three starter and he's the guy makes the All American Dan so U 20 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:30.719 you know, you know, interesting thing. Next breaking news, Hore Lopez 21 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.280 signed a minor league deal to the Cubs and he was the reliever that was 22 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.480 designated for assignment by the Mets when he was ejected and then threw his gloved 23 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:44.560 into the sand. Where's he going the Cubs minor league? Okay, he 24 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:48.079 talked a lot of crap about that. He shredded. He said there was 25 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:55.040 a misunderstanding because because yeah, right, I heard that conversation and I understand 26 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.159 Spanish and he he he said those things. He said. I was gonna 27 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.959 kind of smidic what he said to you, but then I'd be fire. 28 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:08.000 Next story, Joey Chestnut and Taruku Koba Yashi, the top dogs of the 29 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:12.439 competitive world, are going to be in the same arena for the first time 30 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.439 since two thousand and nine on Labor Day, and it's gonna be an event 31 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:21.479 that's streamed on Netflix. I don't care about that, no, I know, 32 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.199 and I know we we've had the what's her name? The woman from 33 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:29.360 Tucson who's been in the hot dog getting contest. Oh yeah, yeah, 34 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.319 yeah, I forget her name. I forget her name. You know, 35 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:37.719 this whole thing with Joey Chestnut though it's kind of like serious drama. It's 36 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:42.199 almost like he's doing that for the drama, right, you just kind of 37 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:46.199 draw attention to all of it. And then we talked about it at the 38 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.159 end of the previous hour. But Game three of the finals is tonight, 39 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:53.479 Porzingis is ruled out in the MAVs or what's just three point favorites? Yeah, 40 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.800 I would Uh, I wouldn't touch it. Don't I wouldn't touch I 41 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:59.080 don't really care. Well you are touching it. You got a whole thing 42 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:01.960 going with Chris. Yeah, but they're just games, just games. I 43 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.599 just need to win the series, that's all. But don't you have money 44 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:07.599 on each game? Yeah? But if he if I win the series, 45 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:12.319 it's you win money. Yeah. If it's just if it's a sweep, 46 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.719 I'm good, really good. If I lose one game. And then the 47 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:22.280 ACC and SEC announced a basketball Challenge and the matchups that are at the top. 48 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:27.639 We got Auburn Duke and Alabama UNC a rematch of last year's March Madness 49 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:35.280 also got cal against Missouri that you shall a game with Arizona. That's the 50 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.599 first one is in Vegas. In Vegas, Vegas? Did they in December? 51 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:44.599 December? Well, guess where we're going in December? That laught tells 52 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:50.879 you the things that will have just been there. We're going there early November. 53 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.080 That actually we had to really push that trip up to kind of early 54 00:03:53.159 --> 00:04:00.159 November because of it's everything is screwed up because they have Las Vegas Greme pre 55 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.639 in there. Now. Oh yeah, you can't you can't get you can't 56 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:06.599 be there at that time. So that that that race is on the date 57 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.919 that we would normally go for our trip, it's the weekend before Thanksgiving. 58 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:15.159 So you can't go that weekend. You can go, but you you shouldn't 59 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.920 go because it's you're gonna right. Well no, I know that, I 60 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:21.319 know that. But normally the history of this trip that we take in November 61 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:28.160 has always been either Thanksgiving weekend or the weekend before Thanksgiving, depend on depending 62 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.720 on where Arizona Football is playing. So this year Arizona is on the road 63 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:38.800 at at TCU that weekend, but we can't go because we would go but 64 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.680 we can't because of the dam in Las Vegas Grand Prix. The weekend before 65 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.879 Arizona is at home, so we can't go that weekend. So now we're 66 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:46.879 going like November eighth, which is not really you know, we call a 67 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:51.399 rivalry weekend, but it's any really great rivalry is going on that week the 68 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:57.000 troubles of rich men who go to Vegas, right, first world problem? 69 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:03.480 Yes, definitely. Ja Dodgers acquired Cavin Visio and a trade the blue up 70 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:11.959 that will tell you how old you are. Yeah, his dad played here 71 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.439 for for a while. I covered him in the late eighties. Yeah, 72 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.680 good guy guy. Yeah yeah. I saw that. The Dodgers like, 73 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:23.759 oh cool, and then I looked at his numbers. He's terrible. He's 74 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:30.759 like a two hundred hitter. What do you want him for another guy, 75 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.000 some minor league guy, So you know, I don't. They'll put him 76 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.639 somewhere. See if he see, if he see, if he materializes, 77 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:43.839 they already got. I love keyk Hernandez. He's one of my favorite Dodgers 78 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.879 around. I saw the against the Yankees when they had him miked up and 79 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:51.920 he made the oh and he made an air while he was miked up what 80 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.600 it happened. Well, he was talking and then the play happened. He 81 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.120 didn't say much of me. He didn't say much of anything. We'll let 82 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:01.000 you make this play. And they're like after that, was that's a pretty 83 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:06.199 tough play eating custody. No, no, he didn't. He did not 84 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:13.240 cuss. I think he wanted to, but he did not. I think 85 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.000 that, you know, initially I thought, why are we doing this? 86 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.040 But for baseball, I think it's really cool because there's you know, there's 87 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:25.120 time in between pitches and and you know, you got you hear them and 88 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.160 you kind of get a sense of what's on their mind, you know, 89 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:30.959 as they're getting ready to, you know, for the next pitch. I 90 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:36.000 guess fascinating. I always thought about like what would happen if what happened, 91 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:44.199 or just like if other teams a billion runs, but which the Dodgers did 92 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.800 last night, by the way, they hit four homers in an inning last 93 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:55.279 night. Richmond problems, you don't have to call. I got your I 94 00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:00.160 got them talking. Remember remember when we have a grooder on the of the 95 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:01.240 day and I say, I said, what about the Rangers? He was 96 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.079 kind of like, the Rangers are having a tough year. I had no 97 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:08.040 idea they were sucking that bad. That just being a fifteen to two. 98 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:10.519 It was one of those games where they brought in a position player to come 99 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:14.439 pitch. He was throwing forty eight miles an hour pitches and then he was 100 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.920 getting guys out because then I used to that. Literally, the clock had 101 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.120 him at forty eight to fifty miles an hour on all his pitch His pitches 102 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:26.439 had arc. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. That's all you go. 103 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.879 That's all you got. All right, I had something. Let me look 104 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:34.079 it up here real quick. Oh where is it? Oh? Okay? 105 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:42.800 So on three Sports posted the top returning college football wide receivers from twenty twenty 106 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:47.079 three by twenty twenty three receiving yards. Where do you think t Mac is 107 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:54.439 on that list? I won't answer because I already saw this. Seven. 108 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.920 Nope, way higher three. Two. The only guy higher than him is 109 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:01.240 a I named Ricky White from you, and the one thing with him, 110 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.839 guess what he's gotta do. He's got to get healthy. Yeah, gotta 111 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.720 get healthy whatever his foot injury is, right, yeah, otherwise, and 112 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.279 you have two months, let's say June, June, July, August, 113 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.639 he's got two and a half months to get to get it going. He's 114 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.279 got time. If not, just get a shot, okay, North for 115 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.600 exactly exactly. People younger than me don't know what exactly. And then announcers 116 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:37.200 were were announcers were announced for the Olympic UH NBC's Olympic Swimming Track Gymnastics UH 117 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:43.320 coverage. And the reason that's significant to us is that twosonan and our old 118 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.960 friend Dan Hicks, he's going to be doing the swimming again with Roddy Gaines 119 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.240 and he's been doing that for for a number of years. Time. Yeah, 120 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.799 we're gonna try and get him on the show. We'll see what we 121 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:54.960 can do. Make fights, but you can make a contact with him for 122 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.600 us. But I mean, Dan was one of one of the friendliest guys 123 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:05.519 around when he was doing huh Channel four Sports here, I mean, I 124 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.039 don't know, you just felt like that that guy's going to go places and 125 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:16.360 he has Plus he's married to Hannah Storm. Okay. Then there was silence 126 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:22.679 here, Steve, what am I supposed to say? There's no supposed to 127 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.159 he's married Hannah Stor Okay, yeah, good, good good, that's efectually 128 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.679 correct. But now he's at He's had a great career, you know, 129 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:35.799 calling golf tournament's US Open, that kind of stuff. And now you know 130 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.200 he's done a bunch of Olympics and now you'll be doing swimming again. We 131 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.799 have a deal. I have news to Brian Peterson. Uh doing some n 132 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.799 cua A transfer portal stuff. Baseball players. Let's had a picture Josh Morana 133 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:56.000 or Morano five appearances, the freshman two starts is leaving catcher Cole Dylan junior 134 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.879 college transfer. He went one to one for three with an RBI and another 135 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:05.679 at your arcade. Uh Brigold, Uh who did not play is leaving? 136 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:07.559 Yeah, so three that's what? What? What do they all have in 137 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.000 common? Right? They just didn't get blame time. You know you look 138 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.879 in the dugout. You look at the dugouts of these college there's like fifty 139 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:15.840 guys in there. There's loads of the other load. It's like that, 140 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.919 Yeah, it's like fifty guys. I'm like like nine guys play, you 141 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:26.000 know, nine guys in a handful of pictures, right, you know it's 142 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.200 crazy. I mean really, I mean you know, there's a reason twenty 143 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.679 five is the number for Major League baseball teams, because that's all you need. 144 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.960 So so what's that? What's the roster size? And scolships? Scoffships 145 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.039 and baseball scholarships? They have like twelve and a half scholars Yeah, look 146 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:45.200 at this with the money and situation. And did you see Willer? Did 147 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:50.080 you see will there's a tweet earlier will you w realizing they're they're losing money. 148 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:54.279 They lost a lot of money, maybe thirty million down from one budget 149 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.240 and now they have to find ways to find it. And I said, 150 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:58.919 every school's doing it. You know what. We talked about this even with 151 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.279 the president when he was on and how everyone, every school is losing it. 152 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:09.200 Arizona's situation just became public and COVID screwed up everything. Now they got 153 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.519 to pay eventually, will have to pay that money. Where do you get 154 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.879 it when you don't have when you don't any money? Well, you saw 155 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.759 what you did, right. They've absorbed the debt into the overall debt of 156 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:28.039 the university and as you somebody said, has the second highest athletic department deficit 157 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.919 in the country, And like, why aren't they in trouble? The way 158 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.960 you know, Robbie Robbins got in trouble in Tucson. Yeah, you know, 159 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.840 and Dave Dave Hekey's gone, Yeah, no, it's a good question. 160 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.840 And then the school took the took the hit for it, right right, 161 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.000 and school took the hit for it here. Yeah, same situation kind 162 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.919 of, isn't it. Yeah, no, it it would be. It 163 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.440 is, except it's US is way worse than Arizona's. Yeah, and yet 164 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.360 you don't hear the people screaming about that up there. Uh. Hell, 165 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.360 life is not fair. It's not fair, Steve, It's really not fair, 166 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:09.000 and your Dodgs won't win the series. He can I say that you 167 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.799 just did. You didn't even bleep it either. It's okay, Henry, 168 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:18.279 you can keep your job because I don't want to do it. Yes, 169 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:22.039 Ryan wanted you jump on the on the dumb button because because Brent Brannan said, 170 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.879 damn, oh you should. Yeah no, damn, it's okay. 171 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:33.639 Asked some other things just the case. So that was a good interview yesterday. 172 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.320 People said a lot of reactions. Just just another dude who sounded just 173 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.840 like a dude. Yeah, you know, he won't who you could tell 174 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.639 wants to be here? Yeah? Actually I got a friend of mine got 175 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.000 upset because he didn't know that Brandon was going to be on the show, 176 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.039 and he was upset he wasn't listening the podcast we have about I don't know 177 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.559 the numbers actually, and you you might know him or not. 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Subscribe now to the podcast on the iHeartRadio WIP just Surgeon I 256 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.000 on the Bar. Hey, welcome back to our the Ball here on Fox 257 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.559 Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jacob Zaws. Now on the 258 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:25.839 phone. We have former UBAB basketball player Corey Williams. Corey, how you 259 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:29.880 doing. I'm doing pretty good. How about yourself? We're doing well. 260 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.640 We wanted to talk to you about a few things on in your camps that 261 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.079 they're going with our camp, but your league is going on right now. 262 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:40.359 We'll get to that in a second, but first up, let's talk about 263 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:45.000 the Hurdy situation. You cover college basketball for ESPN and a number of other 264 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.759 people. What were your thoughts that he was gonna leave and then decided not 265 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:53.640 to leave. Well, I felt like he shouldn't take that job. I 266 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:59.160 think anytime college coaches go to the pros, it's always the tricky situation. 267 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.440 It's to completely do for an animal. Success at one level does not guarantee 268 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:10.279 success at another. But I felt like the Laker offered the Laker job in 269 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:15.359 particular was a setup. I mean, Lebron's there, Ads there, Polinka 270 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.279 is there, Genie Buss is there. There's four people who outrank you walking 271 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:23.359 in the door. I don't think you leave Yukon for a situation like that. 272 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:26.920 I don't think the Lakers are going to perform any better than they did 273 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:32.960 this season, so you're just setting yourself up to be the scapegoat. In 274 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.000 my opinion, everything would be blamed on him. He's the first year coach 275 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:41.200 with zero years of experience. No matter what Lebron says, he's larger than 276 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:45.039 life in LA and you're just going to be part of the circus that is 277 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:49.160 the Los Angeles Lakers. And I didn't think coach Danny Hurley has had all 278 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:55.839 that success to become that type of situation didn't make sense. Yeah, well, 279 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.079 your thoughts on I want you to ask the question because you talked about 280 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:03.839 area we're talking about he's already coaching prob right, And this was an interesting 281 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.960 take. Geno Arima was on Dan Patrick Show the other day and you know, 282 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:11.000 talking to him. It was funny because there was that at the time 283 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:14.559 that the news came out that Hurley was, you know, talking to to 284 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.960 the Lakers, and he said he kind of was encouraging him, kind of 285 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:23.319 saying, look, we're not coaching amateurs anymore in college, We're coaching pros. 286 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:27.640 So why wouldn't you go coach pros who know how to be pros? 287 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.720 Because the pros that they're coaching are eighteen to twenty two years old, whereas 288 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:34.480 you know, these guys who are the Lakers or whoever you know, they're 289 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.920 pros who have kind of been around and know what it's like to be a 290 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.200 pro and how different it's become. He said, because make no mistake, 291 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.039 we're coaching pros now, is what he said. Well, I would ask 292 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.400 coaches, you know rim Or why he hasn't gone to the pro ranks, 293 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.079 And the reason that he hasn't is because he's lord and master in stores Connecticut. 294 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.839 He would never leave that job to go to the w NBA where players 295 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:00.759 can listen to you or are not listen to you, where player salaries dwarf 296 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:07.480 your own end, and they have all the leverage with the administration and the 297 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.319 front office. So while it's interesting that he would give that advice that he 298 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:15.519 hadn't followed himself, I would be in Coach Hurley's years saying, look, 299 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.200 don't go to the Lakers. If you want to become an NBA coach. 300 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:22.000 Fine, but that is a dumpster fire. You're not going to receive any 301 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.200 credit that the team plays well. You receive all the blame that the team 302 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:33.359 plays poorly. You're going from being in total control at Yukon to the media 303 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:37.400 capital of the world and being one of the most visible spots in a franchise 304 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:42.359 that has been I won't say chaotic, but they haven't exactly been stable. 305 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:47.480 Apart from the win and the championship in the Bubble, Lebron stay in LA 306 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:52.640 has not been great. So while that is good advice to go coach pros, 307 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:57.480 I think that situation, and especially the low ball offer from the Lakers 308 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:02.359 was pretty much a little bit above being disrespectful. To be honest with you 309 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:06.359 the money they tossed at him was not good enough for him to upflute and 310 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:10.039 pretty much burn down everything he built in Connecticut because you gotta magic. He 311 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:14.839 takes that job. Players want out of their commitments, everything comes crashing down. 312 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.079 It's e leaves Connecticut. So Greenberg tell them also about Greenberg because I 313 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:22.079 don't want to get this wrong either, where if he was going to go 314 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:26.759 to the world, Like, yeah, Mike Greenberg lost his mind talked about 315 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:32.279 he said something along the lines of if Dan Hurley goes to the Lakers, 316 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:36.640 it's the end of college athletics as we know it. And I'm like, 317 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:41.680 come on, no, I think that's a lot of hyperbole, and you 318 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:45.720 know, Greeney gets paid to be bombastic, but it does signal something. 319 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.680 I mean, when the big boys want to play where you're playing, they 320 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.880 simply come in and you have to move out. And that's the way it's 321 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:56.160 always been. When NBA teams come calling with NBA pay rolls, a lot 322 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.160 of college coaches can't resist. You've seen coaches flirt with the NBA and and 323 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.519 go back. So the amount of money that they can offer is alluring. 324 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:08.400 But I think for a lot of guys your personality matters. And if you're 325 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:12.759 a guy who doesn't mind being sitting at the big desk calling all the shots, 326 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:17.759 being in control, that comes at a price. And if somebody wants 327 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.880 you to go from being number one to number four, then they've got to 328 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:23.799 pay you an awful lot of money to come out to LA and be number 329 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:29.720 four and be the media punching bag. And they didn't offer him that much 330 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:33.240 money to make that type of decision. So, you know, is at 331 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:37.680 the end of college basketball? I don't think so. I think college basketball 332 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:41.839 will return to normalcy here in the fall of next year, when the schools 333 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.960 can bring Nil back in house, things will start to kind of realign. 334 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:51.359 But the problem that college basketball has and has nothing to do with Nil, 335 00:23:52.319 --> 00:24:00.279 well actually does in a way. They have totally neutered and made irrelevant at 336 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.039 the college coach. They have weakened the position of the college coach to a 337 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.319 point where, to a certain degree, you're right, he is just standing 338 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.960 there on the sidelines. He doesn't have any authority. He doesn't he's not 339 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.440 allowed to coach and develop young men. And I hate to use a word 340 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:18.599 like leverage, but college coaches have been stripped of their leverage with this new 341 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:23.599 environment, and it's very difficult to coach young people if you don't have any 342 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:29.920 leverage or anything of substance that you can can hold to them to try to 343 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:33.519 get them to be the players that you need them to be. Totally agreed, 344 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.640 I didn't saying that forever, Corey. If you're the coach, how 345 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.160 are you going to tell ex player who's making quarter of a million, a 346 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.559 half a million, whatever number you want to give me, and say, 347 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.480 go work your butt off and work to hustle and all that when the coach, 348 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:51.160 I got this, Yeah, right, Well, well the formula is 349 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:55.079 right under our noses when you look at coach of thea Arms. She took 350 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.079 over the Arizona job and she had nothing. She had be covered with bear. 351 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:04.440 She didn't have she didn't have a great run a great she wasn't inheriting 352 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.960 a blue blood program, and within a couple of short years she was playing 353 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.519 for the national championship. And one of the things that she did is she 354 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.279 understood that she had to go out and sell a vision when she talked to 355 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.759 recruits. She didn't have stat she didn't have Final four rings, she didn't 356 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:23.559 have national championships. She went in delivery rooms and all across the country and 357 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:29.160 recruited off a vision and she told each girl how that girl fitted into the 358 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.440 vision that she had, and she was able to land some good recruits and 359 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:36.200 turn the program around in record time. And I think as a college coach 360 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:40.400 now, if you don't connect with players in a real way and really align 361 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:44.319 yourself with their dreams and their vision and sell them on their vision, which 362 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:49.000 includes playing for you, you're not going to be very successful. Because right 363 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.880 now it's the wild wild West. Whoever offers the most money gets the kid. 364 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:59.079 The relationships don't matter, and you're seeing the effects in the transport portal. 365 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.039 There's so many kids happen from school to school because there is no connection, 366 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:08.160 there is no joined cause between that coach and that player. A lot 367 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:12.440 of times you'll see kids tell their parents, tell their handlers, hey, 368 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.839 this is where I want to be. Work it out. I'm not leaving 369 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.240 coach. So and so that's the coach. That's the new challenge for coaches 370 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.240 is trying to make a connection despite all the money that's flying around out there. 371 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.000 No and that's and that's the that's the tough part as you mentioned, 372 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.519 you know, they hope you're hoping the corral this and it's maybe little by 373 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.279 little, you know, with this, you know, settlement of the of 374 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.680 the of the house lawsuit and all that kind of stuff. But we're still 375 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.839 a long ways from there from this thing being under control, don't you think. 376 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.160 Well, the thing about it when you use the word like control, 377 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.799 we got to be very careful because what we're really talking about is the return 378 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.079 of leverage to the side of the schools. Back then, the schools had 379 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.599 all the leverage. We offer you a four dyear deal. You're an amateur 380 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.079 where your only path to the pros, where your only path to money, 381 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.480 and the school had everything tilted their way. A lot of people like that 382 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.720 model emotionally they want to go back to that model. So now that players 383 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:12.200 can get paid, it is the most Unamerican thought in the world to try 384 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:17.160 to regulate the free market. If a guy can make money, then you 385 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.559 let him make money. If a player is if a quarterback or wide receiver 386 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.400 or a point guard can make some money, his value is going to be 387 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.079 based on his talent and how he plays. You can't put the genie back 388 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.519 in the bottle. But what I'm afraid will happen, and this is just 389 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.960 me thinking crazy. Down the line, when everything moves back in house, 390 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.839 you have to have some sort of unionization by the players so that the schools 391 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:45.880 can then contract with the players. The reason the NBA works is because players 392 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.480 have contracts that they have to honor. Yeah, they can be traded, 393 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:53.559 but their money is fixed their allegiance for however long a period of the contract. 394 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:57.200 You don't have to worry about a guy showing up for camp because he's 395 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:03.319 under contract. Once contract enter into college basketball, things will go back to 396 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.799 normal. But right now, every eight or nine months with the transfer portal, 397 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.559 it's going to be absolute upheaval and chaos because there's no contractual obligations for 398 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:18.279 these guys, and coaches are literally if even look at Arizona rebuilding the roster 399 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.119 from top to bottom every ten year, every ten months, so twelve months 400 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:26.559 is insane. So how do we get back to normal. We've got to 401 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.759 have some type of unionization of players that contract with the universities so that a 402 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:36.160 kid signs with the school that's where he plays if he's going to play Division 403 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:40.880 one basketball, and then you do have to adopt that kind of a pro 404 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.920 model to give the coaches and the schools some leverage back. But the problem 405 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:51.799 is that it's good old fashioned price fixing. I mean, what's to stop 406 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:53.880 ads from sitting around and saying, hey, if you play in this conference, 407 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.640 the most we're playing for a point guard is two hundred grand and they 408 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.759 all agree to that. And now you start to see price sticks in where 409 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:06.240 schools agree behind closed doors, this is what we're going to spend. And 410 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.400 as long as we all stay in line, we can drive these nil prices 411 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:14.559 back down to some reasonable numbers. That's my fear. Corey Williams for President 412 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:19.079 of the it's my vote. Let's just move on because you're depressing me. 413 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.759 You depressing me. I'm covered this a long time, so you must be 414 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.400 Your lifeblood is is doing what you do with the Crest and you and your 415 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.119 ESPN stuff. But one of the fun things you get to do is you 416 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.839 is your camp. You're kind of in the beginning middle stages right now. 417 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:40.240 How's it going. It's going great, man. I mean I'm spending the 418 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.839 weekend in the gym with middle school kids, boys and girls that love the 419 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:47.640 game, and it's such a great time in their lives because they like basketball 420 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.839 and they're starting to develop physically, so you start to see the passions meet 421 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.559 with the skill sets and they're learning something new about themselves every weekend, and 422 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.920 they're all positive. It's just you know, lots of high fives and smiles, 423 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.720 handshakes. So it's a great situation to be in. For me, 424 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.720 it's kind of selfish because I remember being that age and loving basketball and playing 425 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.759 as much as I could. So for me, it's just great because I 426 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.000 was I was a kid that grew up in the Midwest and the eighties. 427 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.839 I had a storybook childhood. Tons of adults in our community opened up gyms 428 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.400 and the parks, and there was we could go play anytime anywhere. And 429 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.279 I know that those days are long gone, but we try to create just 430 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.920 a little bit of that down at the TSPL for the kids, come in, 431 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.799 give them a jersey, let them play, and try to make sure 432 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.920 they have fun. Yeah, and how many kids you have, We got 433 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.079 about twelve teams of twelve, so about one hundred and forty one hundred and 434 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:47.279 forty five years and fluctuated given each weekend with some kids on vacation or going 435 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:49.759 to play in club tournaments and stuff. But on any given day we probably 436 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.480 got about one hundred and fifteen kids down there in the gym. So let 437 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.480 me say, and you could say, Steve, you're totally wrong, but 438 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.279 I'm assuming that you're having a good time in parts. The older kids are 439 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.960 no longer part of it. And I said this with all sincerity because I'm 440 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.599 sure they give you a lot of headaches. Well that's the thing. I 441 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.119 mean. You take a grown man who gives you money to play in the 442 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.480 league, all of a sudden, he wants to complain about the rest, 443 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:18.160 the jerseys too type and all of this other stuffcause you're dealing with a dope. 444 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.880 When you're dealing with kids, their mind is just focused on the game. 445 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:26.039 So they are much better customer to have than a grown man who, 446 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.119 you know, may think he's Michael Jordan, or may think he missed this 447 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.000 Shoine at the NBA and he's down there living in a fantasy world. So 448 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.559 we had some we The men's League was awesome. I loved it. We 449 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.599 had the U of A guys mixed with the overseas guys, mixed with the 450 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:44.920 local two signed guys. It was great. The basketball changed right before our 451 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:49.039 eyes, guys stopped playing summer hoops. College guys no longer really hoop in 452 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.000 the summer. I mean, the more serious, I should say, the 453 00:31:53.039 --> 00:32:00.279 more money that's come into basketball, the more strategic guys are about how they 454 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.480 train and where they play and trying to avoid injury. So I remember being 455 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.680 in college playing pick up all the time at home. Yeah, I could 456 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.880 have blew my knee during the summer, but we all were playing no matter 457 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.119 what, no matter what school you went to, Doke, Arizona, the 458 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.680 Lenova, Michigan, everybody who pick up in the summer, it's just what 459 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:21.599 you did. But now guys have an established value coming out of high school. 460 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.680 They don't play pickup ball the summer, and they certainly don't play with 461 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.440 local guys from the city that they go to school in. So our business 462 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.680 model had to change. And really it really makes me sad sometimes because I 463 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:36.759 know there's a couple hundred guys in this town that really want to play summer 464 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.079 basketball. So we're going to try to work and get it back. But 465 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:44.240 you're one hundred percent right. The middle school kid is a much better customer 466 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.920 than the grown guys playing at La Fitness, right, right, right, 467 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.920 so we have about two minutes. Correct me. If I'm wrong, there 468 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.200 could be wrong. Back in ninety six, you were a senior. I 469 00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:59.559 remember going to a Desert Classic watching you guys on all that stuff. Did 470 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.440 you meet Jerry West there first at all? And then did you know him? 471 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.240 Well? I never met him. I did see him, and I 472 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.039 was kind of starstruck, and I kind of just try to play it cool, 473 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.240 because you know, at that age you want to you don't want to 474 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.799 be starstrucks. You want to keep a cool point. But I did see 475 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.640 him, but I never did get the chance to meet him. Yeah, 476 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:27.400 okay, just your thoughts, your reflections. Well, I think basketball players 477 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.279 you're lucky if you have you know, two lives. You have the life 478 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.680 of the player, and then if you're lucky, you can continue to be 479 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:39.759 involved in basketball after you hang them up. Jerry West had like four basketball 480 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:44.200 lives as a player, as a coach, as a GM, as an 481 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:50.240 icon, as on TV, a personality like he is if basketball was an 482 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.440 orange, he got all the juice out of it. He's like Bill Walton 483 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:57.519 every level of the game, as a player, as a coach, as 484 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.680 an analyst, as a personality, all of famer, like basketball sustained him 485 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.880 and he excelled at every phase of the game. Even when he stopped playing, 486 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:12.400 he was still an icon in those other areas, you know, And 487 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:14.559 that's why I do some of the things I do. I love it now, 488 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.280 think for ESPN because it keeps me close to the game. I love 489 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:21.480 working with the kids because it keeps me close to the game. Jerry West 490 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:27.400 is every every basketball player's dream is to have his career and his post career 491 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.519 if you're lucky, yeah, and being able to do that. I mean, 492 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.800 he had sixty years in the game, you know, in the NBA, 493 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.639 right, you know, from the mid sixties on to now and just 494 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.960 again, just one of those guys I was saying that, you know, 495 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:46.000 there's very few of the Jerry West in sports where you know, the their 496 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.480 icons across all sports. You know, whether you're a football fan or a 497 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:59.760 baseball fan or wherever you knew of and knew about Jerry West. I think 498 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.159 sports fans we all have a radar within us. It doesn't really matter what 499 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.320 what sport we'll watch, and if it's football, baseball, basketball, whatever 500 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:15.280 fans can sense and when you're talented, when you're tough, nose and you 501 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.199 bring it every night, and that goes for all sports. And he had 502 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.800 that it quality people knew when they watched him play. This guy is all 503 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:29.400 business. He's a professional from head to toe. He's a competitor, and 504 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:34.199 I think he garnered the respective people across all sports just off of his demeanor, 505 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.000 his personality, everything I've always seen. He was always a gentleman. 506 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.760 He spoke kind of everybody, from Michael Jordan to Kobe Bryant. He was 507 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.079 truly an ambassador for all sports, not only just the NBA. Right, 508 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:52.039 Yeah, Corey, thanks a bunch. Thanks appreciate you appreciate it, Corey. 509 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:53.920 You guys have a great one. Yeah you too, Corey Williams. 510 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:58.039 Great points on the NC double. We'll get to all that. Yeah, 511 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.719 on the other side, because we're a little there's so many takes, all 512 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.800 yeah, right, and it all makes sense, and a lot of them 513 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.239 makes sense. Well, they ain't gonna happen, honestly, how can it? 514 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:12.280 It just can't. It's something that happened, right, something that happened. 515 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.280 All right, let's take our last break. We're going to come back. 516 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.159 We'll take your calls. Five two zero, four, one six seventy 517 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:21.280 four forty any thoughts on Jerry West were any other stuff going on? There's 518 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.320 been lots of talk about to stick around. If you're an Arizona men's basketball 519 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.599 fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now. Take 520 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.599 a look back at the Ludolsen era. In my new book, Lessons from 521 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.199 Loot, it was a labor of love through the eyes of twenty five former 522 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.000 players, coaches and friends to give insight to the coach and the man who 523 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.639 led them, competed against them, and inspired them. Twenty five chapters for 524 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:45.039 his twenty five years as Arizona's beloved coach. 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Steve Rivera and Jacob Salas they have their eye on 560 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:36.760 the ball on Tucson's Sports Stage chef Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. Hey, welcome 561 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.519 back to I'm the Ball Hero, Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve, 562 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:43.159 He's Jay Henry with us today. We got thirteen minutes if you want to 563 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.480 call us five to two zero four one six seventy four forty who have talked 564 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.960 a lot about a lot of things today, A lot of things to talk 565 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:57.599 about. Corey's always good feel starter and then I forget what that well, 566 00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.840 you know, because he knows about that. It's kind of he does with 567 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.679 with uh uh cresh you know, you know, numbers, numbers, right, 568 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.039 he can tell he spends time, you know, kind of thinking and 569 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.800 analyzing, and you know, he does a good job with you know, 570 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:13.840 when he when he's doing college basketball. And it's because he does he does 571 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.360 the work, certainly more work than you or I do about any of this 572 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:22.039 stuff. If it was work, we wouldn't be doing that. But you 573 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.880 know, but he's, you know, just a smart guy with a I 574 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.519 mean, he talked about a lot of stuff that I've thought. Okay, 575 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:29.400 I hadn't thought of that, and I hadn't thought of that, and I 576 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:30.840 hadn't thought of that. Well, it's the what was he talking about the 577 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.760 play? The money changed cards? He did with the phrase he used, 578 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.440 uh price, the price? Yeah, yeah, we got he never would 579 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.199 have thought that. All right, let's take this call. Hi are on 580 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.119 the air and on the ball. Yeah, how you guys doing today? 581 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:52.400 What's going on? Rick? Hey? You know I was just it's it's 582 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.639 been crazy, but I just read word chat walker of his seventy six or 583 00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.360 his way back in the sixth, right, he just passed the way. 584 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:07.199 And you know my age group remember all those guys. But I was talking 585 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.559 with somebody and you imagine of Jerry West if the three point line was in 586 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:16.679 play, yeah, except I mean it's something made the comment thought that he 587 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.360 was a mid range jumper kind of guy. But I guess he would have 588 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.280 said, yeah, I guess he would have established, you know, become 589 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:28.400 a three point shooter if he if it was around well, and you know, 590 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:31.039 we didn't get to watch the NBA was not like it is now or 591 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.719 you get to see it. I mean, everything was stafe, delayed or 592 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.960 not at all. And uh so, but I mean you talked about legends 593 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.000 of basketball, and you know he topped the lists. So let me ask 594 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:50.039 you Rick, just I don't know your age, although you're a friend of 595 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.159 mine, who would have who is the guy that maybe is still alive that 596 00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:57.760 you saw growing up and you said, wow, you know who was the 597 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:02.639 guy who was? Well, I remember Jerry West growing up, I remember 598 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.199 wil Chamberlain, Bill Russell, I met you know, all those guys in 599 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:14.920 the John Hablete those were I mean, those were all staples of the basketball 600 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:20.599 Connie Hawkins, uh and the old A B A right, you know, 601 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.280 and uh doctor j of the A B A he was I think with the 602 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:30.239 Kentucky Colonels. I mean, you go back in all those years and now 603 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:34.800 I'm feeling my age, really, but uh, I was fortunate. I 604 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.880 got to see basketball history being made. And I don't think the kids today 605 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:45.000 really understand or appreciate what's really in front of them right now. No, 606 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.400 I agree, I agree. Okay, thanks, thanks guys, All right, 607 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.599 thanks? Yeah, good call anybody else want to call him with those 608 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.360 type of memories. Yeah, you know, and again, well, you 609 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.920 know, you know my guy growing up, and he's much older because he 610 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:00.800 was, you know, on the backside of his career at the same was 611 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.960 Johnny United's, right, you know, in the in the in the sixties. 612 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.400 You know, Johnny he played into the into the early early seventies, 613 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:12.119 and then I don't even remember when he passed away, but I do remember 614 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.679 thinking, man, that's a guy that you know was important to me, 615 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.400 you know as a kid. Uh you know. And then I mentioned Sandy 616 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:22.639 Kofax earlier. You know, I would listen. I loved listening to a 617 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.760 game that he pitched because you knew that it won, that it was going 618 00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:28.840 to be, he was gonna be he was going to dominate a game. 619 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.519 And then you know, you just wondered, he's gonna throw another no hitter 620 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:35.840 today? He ended up throwing four. You bring that up. It's funny 621 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.079 because I don't give him my credentials and stuff like that. With with credentials, 622 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:44.719 I've only paid a ticket price for like one big dude. I think 623 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:49.079 we've talked about this, Noel Ryan when I paid fifty bucks for a ticket 624 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.400 back to that and I think I want to see him pitch again. Yeah, 625 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.400 so him in when I was my dad took me to to Anaheim Stadium 626 00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.519 in the seventies and I went to He's in Texas obviously, and I, 627 00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.840 yeah, my friend of mine said let's go, let's go watch him. 628 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.320 I mean, I don't spend I'm a cheap dude, you know that. 629 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.639 So I went and paid the ticket to see Yeah. And you know, 630 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.239 and then and there are very few guys I'm the same as you. There 631 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:14.400 are very few guys. I mean, I like going to baseball game and 632 00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:15.960 stuff like that, but there are very few guys that I said, I've 633 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.599 got to go see this game because this guy is in right, well, 634 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.920 I was going to do it with Showy well, yeah, because we I 635 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.400 don't know if I have told this. It's actually a funny story. So 636 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.559 when the day that the day that show Hey got signed by the Dodgers, 637 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.360 you know, we were at a working to a basketball game and it happened 638 00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.320 the signing hit social media during the national anthem of a game. Right, 639 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:45.079 my son testaments got show Hey. All the national anthem is playing. So 640 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.159 anyway, so then we at that at the table that day, we said, 641 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.599 hey, we got to go to one of the games when they come 642 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.960 and play the Diamondbacks, and we also got to go see him in La. 643 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:59.639 So we got tickets to the Wednesday night game. I remember that with 644 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.639 the with the having Backs. I got sick, so I couldn't go. 645 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:06.599 So my son Adam goes and he takes a friend of his and Show Hey 646 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.760 didn't play, So I would have been really upset, you know, had 647 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:14.599 I gone. And it was the first game he sat out for the entire 648 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.280 year. It was a Wednesday night game, you know, get a getaway 649 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.280 game, and he didn't play. So he still hasn't seen him play. 650 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.880 We did go see him as an Angel in Anaheim two seasons ago, and 651 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:28.880 uh, you know that that was cool. Show he's that guy right now, 652 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.559 right, you're gonna pay money to go go see show Hey play, 653 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.800 you know. For Christmas one a few years ago, I bought my daughter 654 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:43.440 and Adam tickets to go see Steph Curry up and uh, you know up 655 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.679 in Phoenix and crossed my fingers that he played that day and he did. 656 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.079 You know, he's one of those guys. And and Jerry West was one 657 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.400 of those guys. But there are you know, there are a few guys 658 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.239 like that that that that you would want to go see just to see them 659 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.000 play, right, So we went to see Cincinnati with till a cruise, 660 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:02.440 you know, yeah, yeah, uh, two three weeks ago. I 661 00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.239 think it was but you you had something. You've showed me a picture before 662 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.239 the show started. It was Elie delablehead night in Cincinnati. And how long? 663 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:14.800 How deep was this? The line was out the door like people all 664 00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.639 around Cincinnati. Yeah, yeah for a bubblehead. I don't know if I'd 665 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.679 go crazy for that, but because they're gonna be on sale two days. 666 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.960 Yeah, well I've told I've told George. Minus our showtime cards, guy 667 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.679 said, I, as soon as you can, you need to get me 668 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.480 a show Hey card. I just want a card, any card. Didn't 669 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.079 you have to be a valuable card, Just a show Hey card in a 670 00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.440 little case. What say? And he said, to get me one. 671 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.639 And and I want to get one for my grandson. And I want to 672 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.599 put it in his in his room and have it be there until he grows 673 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:46.440 up and realizes would show hey man to the game. Yeah. So at 674 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:50.119 some point I got to get that card from George. But you know, 675 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.960 and you know again, a few guys like that. You know, you 676 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.079 you you know you wanted to see some of these places. You know you'd 677 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:02.119 want to see Aaron Judge, right, Uh, you know, I know 678 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:07.079 there were some people who wanted to see Barry Bonds, right, not me, 679 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:08.000 but there were you know, there were a lot of people who would 680 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.760 go to the game Bonds, and I saw him a few times during that 681 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:15.159 troubled time with some just go up and I don't know how this happened, 682 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.559 but I saw him a few times. And you just see how hard can 683 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.360 these ball guys hit the ball? Yeah, I mean, honestly, sitting 684 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.800 with Fox tickets and blah blah blah, these guys just crushed the ball. 685 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.159 And if you're a third basement your ticket, please don't. I don't want 686 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.559 to get in the way of that. Oh god, no, yeah, 687 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:30.760 I don't want to get in the way of that. But you know, 688 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.760 show he hit a homer last night, one hundred and fourteen miles an hour 689 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.400 off the bat. One hundred and fourteen miles an hour off the bat. 690 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.159 Yeah, I mean, they they, they they're they're doing a great thing 691 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.039 with baseball. The homeplate umpires wearing cameras on the top of their mask, 692 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:51.880 and so they showed the angle the pitch coming and then how fast how fast 693 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.920 it left it left O'tanni's bat. I mean, it was just gone in 694 00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:00.079 a heartbeat. And you go and you a human beings do that, you 695 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.519 know right away to Yeah, Like do you like when they show the arm 696 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:07.519 camp during the game or like when they go to the camp during the game. 697 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.480 Yeah, yeah, I think it's cool. I think it's cool because 698 00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:17.039 if you've ever watched up close a major league pitcher warming up throwing a pitch, 699 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.079 because it's even hard to tell from the seats how hard they throw. 700 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.239 But I remember being at a spring training game where the bullpen was, you 701 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.320 know, just up the first base line, and I just went and stood 702 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.800 at the fence to see how hard. And this was years ago before they 703 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.480 were not throwing a hundred miles an hour, And I'm thinking how fast that 704 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.519 was and how incredible and how how does anybody hit that? But they do, 705 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.280 you know, And I mean, what's his name the guy that throw? 706 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:52.280 Oh, he played for the Yankees, and yes, or one hundred 707 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.039 and three miles. He threw one hundred and three miles in our pitch. 708 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.360 Yeah, and somebody you hit it a mile? Yeah, that's funny. 709 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.480 How do you do that? I'd be like me waiting for Randy Johnson to 710 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.119 throw. I'd be more scared about being hitting the head than anything else than 711 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:12.199 getting the ball. These guys throw crazy. Yeah I don't, yeah exactly. 712 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.280 I mean if you stood in the box and that picture is coming at 713 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.320 you, you got no chance. Well, the thing about it, they're 714 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.559 not you or me. They're just not you. We're not They're they're who 715 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:23.360 they are for a reason. They're getting paid millions for a reason. But 716 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.920 it's like, what was that was that? Uh? Who? Yeah? 717 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.239 I was asking about how do guys? How have guys become hard throwers like 718 00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.639 that? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah it was the Francona or who 719 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.000 we're talking to? Yeah, I think so, I remember who we're talking 720 00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:44.639 about. How you're just an average college pitcher now is throwing in the mid 721 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:50.760 nineties, right right? You know when it when before a great major league 722 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.880 baseball pitcher, Nolan Ryan, he threw high nineties and people were like, 723 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:58.920 holy hell, you know Nolan Ryan would be average now these days? Yeah, 724 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:00.639 you know what, And that's crazy to think about that. Yeah, 725 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.760 but their careers are going quickly too, because they're burning out, their arms 726 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.280 are blowing out in in a hurry. Yeah. But nonetheless, you know, 727 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:14.559 it's it's amazing. You know, I remember somebody, so I heard 728 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:19.519 a rant. This was years ago, a rant from by Tommy Lesorda when 729 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.320 somebody in the media or I don't know if it was a golfer or whatever, 730 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.719 tried to say that hitting a golf ball was harder than hitting a baseball, 731 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.280 and Tommy went on a rant like, you're out of here exactly. 732 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:36.719 The ball's not moving, you set it on the tee, you take this 733 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.480 big, big hammer and you just whack it. And they try to hit 734 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:44.159 a baseball. So you're telling me there's no more Kent to Kolbe's anymore pitching. 735 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.119 Yeah seriously, Yeah, yeah, I mean, but that's not true 736 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.800 though. The walks their Buwer Walker Buwer looks like he weighs about one hundred 737 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.320 and forty pounds and they got there one hundred miles an hour. Huh Okay, 738 00:50:55.360 --> 00:51:00.280 Now he's blowing his arm out twice doing it. But you know the 739 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.639 Dodgers picture, right, Walker Buller. He's a little guy, right. 740 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.639 You know the other guy, the guy looks like Carra top Dustin May right 741 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:13.159 with the with the with their big red hair. Again, he's all from 742 00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:15.480 Yeah, well, he's bowing his arm out twice too. But you know 743 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.840 some of these guys that they're not that big, and you see them now 744 00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.440 the picture of the Dodgers have now Tyler Glass. Now he's six foot six. 745 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:29.159 He's letting the ball go right on top of you. You know it. 746 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.920 It's and he's throwing one hundred miles an hour. It's crazy. Yeah. 747 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.559 No, these guys are huge, too huge. Like I said, 748 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.920 they're big. Dudes. Are all legs upper body. Can you imagine what 749 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.079 have been like to see Randy Johnson coming at you. Nope, especially if 750 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.039 you're a bird. I couldn't imagine going up to him and saying, can 751 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:53.000 I give two minutes of your time and insince sorry Son, because that happens 752 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.639 a few times. It was the nice guy. No, it wasn't like 753 00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.239 him. He was an old guy. He was no longer in baseball. 754 00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:00.840 Oh yeah, he still playing well because you were on the baseball field, 755 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.519 you were, we were on the golf course. We were at the time 756 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:08.800 in circumstance, time and circumstances. Hey, he's a pretty good golfer too, 757 00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:13.000 But again, six eleven guy to you know hitting a two iron and 758 00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.159 like that couldn't be all that easy. No he is. He's a big 759 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:21.239 time photographer. Yeah. Yeah, he's actually become quite a personality. Yeah, 760 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:23.159 he's like talkative and you know, he does interviews and stuff, and 761 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:28.679 he's like before it was like he's all graduate. He was remembering peanut in 762 00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.800 New York. He nailed the photographers taking a picture of it. And I 763 00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:36.000 remember he got very pissed off when he was when when he killed a bird. 764 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.159 He got very pissed off that people are laughing about it. And yeah, 765 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:43.079 because thought it was cool because I killed a bird. What the hell 766 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.159 it wasn't funny. There's nothing funny about that at all. Funny? Are 767 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:51.039 you laughing at me? Or? Thanks? Good show today again we pulled 768 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:52.800 one out. Yeah, a lot of fun. Thank you to Corey Williams 769 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:59.480 uh for for jumping on and Mark Wicker, legendary sports writer. Uh still, 770 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:06.440 you know, go look for him on on what's it called Substack Substack 771 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.000 because he's a great writer. I'm sure he's got some cool stuff to say, 772 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:12.320 and I'm gonna go look him up. I didn't know he was doing 773 00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.199 that, so I'll go look him up as well. So hey, thanks 774 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.159 everybody for being here, right Steve, see tomorrow, all right, see 775 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:16.719 you all tomorrow.