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Hello and welcome to another edition of
the Paranormal Concept Show. I'm your host

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Paul Brook and as always we are
live exclusive on the p A UK Radio

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network, and as normal, we
are joined in the studio by Kerry Greenway.

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Hello, Kerry, Hello, how
are you? I'm not too bad

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things? How have you been over
the last month that I've not spoken to

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you for? I think it's more
too really honest, clime is just flying

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by at the moment, flying by. Now we all need to give up

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work. No, I'm very well, thank you? Good, good,

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good. So what are we talking
about tonight? We thought we'd have a

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little talk about we're delving back into
our investigation kind of world and we're going

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to have a little talk about equipment
because this has been a thing that's been

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kind of like trending recently about the
criticism about the equipment is quite paramount.

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Yeah, and should you use it? Shouldn't you use it? What good

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is it? All of this coming
so there's a lot of new things being

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released as well. Um, so
we thought we'd have a little chat about

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equipment. But I thought a friend, Oh did you bring? Um?

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I bought the lovely Gemilye Dreary onto
the show tonight, good evening, Gems.

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Oh are you okay? Very well? Thank you. You've been in

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the paranormal for a heck of a
long time, haven't you, James.

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Give everybody an idea of your background
in regards to the investigation side. Oh

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where do we start? So oh
hilarious, pot It started off many many

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moons ago for me. We're talking
childhood, you know the score. Most

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people started the same way, seeing
Most Haunted on the TV and then popping

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off with your friends and a conflict
box and a homemade wigi board. Right,

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this is normal. We've all done
it. Yeah. And then throughout

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the years, I've owned my own
ghost hunting companies where the members of the

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public have been out on investigations.
I've worked with pretty big names to be

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fair in the industry. And then
alongside that, you know, you guys

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know what I'm like. You've known
me for long enough. I'm actually really

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intrigued when it comes to the equipment
side of things, and to the extent

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where I used to take them to
pieces, find out how they worked,

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and then try and put them back
together, which is one of the reasons

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I brought her along to the show
because she's a lot better on the equipment

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than me personally, because, as
I've said many times on this show,

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I work when spirits and the you
know, like they feel the energy kind

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of thing. So one of the
first tools that we all tend to go

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into, or you're talking about,
is the K two meter. Yes,

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because everybody loves a flashy light,
right, Also, do you do what

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do you worsh your vibe on them? Paul? Rubbish, absolutely rubbish.

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All it is is just a box
with flashy lights when something in appears with

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it, which is the electric magnetic
fields as well as mobile phones and all

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the other sort of electrical equipment that
ghost hunters use. It's not very love,

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very good, okay, Gemma,
I mean, don't beat around the

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bus there, Paul. Well,
yeah, I can't really argue with what

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Paul's saying there. In all fairness, the biggest fault, I mean,

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let's look at this realistically, one
of the biggest faults with a K two

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meter is a light flashes when something
affects the emh. Okay, but that's

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something isn't necessarily a ghost. It
could be the floor, could be the

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ceiling, it could be mobile phone
signals like Paul's just said, some some

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classic, especially in older buildings.
A lot of people use it in older

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buildings like stately homes and things like
that. A lot of the furniture will

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set off a K two meter or
any em meter. Me and Kerry was

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on an investigation where we use a
data logger to pick up EMF readians and

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we kept getting fluctuations every half an
hour or so, didn't we And we

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worked it out that it was actually
coincided with the trains just half a mile

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down the road. Yeah, this
is what I mean that people sell them,

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and great people have made some quite
big, well known companies out of

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selling equipment. The one thing I
don't understand is how can you say it

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does something without any scientific proof to
back it up? So where does this

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come from? This electromagnetic field is
a ghost kind of vibe? Well,

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why why do we think? Why
is this a thing? It could come

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from absolutely anywhere, couldn't it really? I mean Mother and prophecies for one,

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it was it's in there that there
was a change in the EMF when

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spirit was nearby. Or I'm going
back to work, mothman, you know

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you're talking men in black and everything, aren't you both and when apparently with

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each encounter affected the emath. So
I suppose this theory has been a whi

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around for a very long time.
I think what keeps it alive, that's

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you know, the idea is that
when someone goes if you're there, come

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close, and then all of a
sudden lights light up. It might be

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a complete coincidence. It could be
something else. It could be, you

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know, your mobile phone interference.
There's so many things other that it could

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be. But because someone's just throwing
a question out into the ether, it's

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lit up at that particular time,
and they think it's an intelligent response.

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Where to be fair, we don't
even know whether or not there are such

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things as ghosts that can interfere with
your electric magnetic field. At the end

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of the day, it's a difficult
one, isn't it, because they obviously

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come through on a different frequency.
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going on the assumption that goes in
spirits are real, okay, Yeah,

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And I think we'll have to go
with this for the evening, just the

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assumptions that it will happen that they
are there, and that is my belief

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system. So you know, we're
going to go with that one. So

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they're not on the same frequency as
us. Otherwise we would be able to

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see them and hear them, and
you know, all of us would be

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able to because we're on the same
frequency. Yeah, so within reason,

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within reason. However, when you
talk about a different frequency, we're talking

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about electromagnetic fields. I did a
show once, a long, long,

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long time a goal regarding what electromagnetic
fields are, and that's to do with

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the light and radio spectrum, it
isn't it. Yeah, yeah, so

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I can understand why in a different
light spectrum you may possibly it might be

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easier for them to be on than
this frequency that we're on. And that's

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probably where the crossover has come from. Is that trying to link into the

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different frequency that's there, and because
something's interfering with the different frequencies, it's

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got to be a ghost. Have
either of you had any encounter should I

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say with a Katim said that you
found abnormal to Because let's be fair,

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when you go onto an investigation,
you should do a baseline check. Absolutely.

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I mean, in the ideal case
scenario, when you're doing an investigation,

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you would put your earmf meeters down
and not move them. You wouldn't

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just watching them, do you know
what I mean? In the ideal scenario,

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so that there would be nothing there
to interfere with it, especially not

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the human form because we can transmit
quite easily. So yeah, question,

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Yes, I personally had an experience
where any er mathemeter has gone off and

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it shouldn't have done because there's no
signal, no, nothing completely underground,

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five miles underground, like you know, nothing should be penetrating down there unless

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you're near a cul siam or something
like that. I mean, I'm talking

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drakelow tunnels. There's not a lot
around that now. You're not talking like

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a mining type because you know,
certain minerals will admit their own electromagnetic magnetic

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frequency and you cannot take out the
earth. The earth actual electromagnetic fields either

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in regards to it has a electrical
pulse that runs through it because geologists charge

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batteries by plugging it into the ground
and using the tech I can't remember what

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it's called, the tech tonic charge
or something it's called. Yeah, so

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there is effectively something, but there
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now, because wasn't it quite recently
a few years back, someone was growing

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weed down there. Really yeah.
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of it and they were growing tweed. So they had to have the whole

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um hydroponics stuff down there. But
that's another that's another show. That one

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pause. My point is they needed
the electricity to there is There is a

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generator down that there is, but
I never turned it on. Electricity,

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Yeah, completely void. When I
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it out. I did hire it
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and did my personal investigations, it
was me on one other person. No,

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no generator turned on in there.
But as far as I'm aware of

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the electrics in there anyway, only
run to a certain point, which is

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just past the base room, which
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fairness. So once you actually get
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anybody to know where I mean,
but I was like the crossroads where everybody

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plays that the sea this shape shifter. Anybody that's got any knowledge of Drakelow

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Tunnels that you'll know exactly where I
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there is absolutely nothing around that at
all. It's developed in it,

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and it's actually quite interesting that where
it went off, it's actually a place

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where people have reported activity. Yeah
in itself, Paul, have you ever

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had a K two experience that you
thought, hang on a minute, that

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that's not right. M I've had
the when people thrown out questions, I've

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had responses, but that's about as
far as it goes. But to prove

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my point a little bit about the
KT meter being not very good, we

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was in I think it was for
Amherst in Ken and when people were thrown

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out questions, it kept going to
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until they had all gone that I
actually picked it up and changed the batteries

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and then it started working again because
the batteries were low, and that's the

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way it signaled that it was the
batteries were low. But I didn't realize

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and see what I picked up the
K two afterwards, But everyone sort of

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thought, Okay, you intelligent,
you know what's things going on here?

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You know that occasion, everybody would
have left, would have left having a

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great night, thinking that they've had
some wonderful responses though, right, so

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absolutely totally, yeah, each to
their own. I suppose it's the little

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things. Patricks are a good thing, right until they do that? Yeah?

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Do that? Okay, So that's
like, that's like a basic piece

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of kit that most people will invest
in, isn't it? The ktwo meter?

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Going on from that? What other
pieces of equipment? The boobt is

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just a ktio Meter's had a Teddy
bear? Right, Yeah? Do we

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know of any others? Well,
the eddy that's a ktio meter. That's

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pretty much. Yeah, a K
two meter. There's loads, There is

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absolutely loads of them. We have
lots of variations off the back. Have

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a K two meter. And that's
the point, isn't it. Yeah?

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I mean yeah, to understand your
kit, you have to understand a basic

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K two meter from what it does
and what it's measuring and how it measures.

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It complicated. Well, the funniest
thing that I always find really interesting

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is when you speak to people and
you're like, okay, so what is

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it about We'll stick with a K
two because you know, we've already touched

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on K two anyway I say touched
on it. I think we've just bulled

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it to pieces some't we When you
say to people, what is it about

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a K two that you liked.
They're like, oh, it tells you

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by flashing lights whether or not there's
a ghost. By well, how do

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you know if it's a ghost because
of the EMF? Okay, but what

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is EMF? And then you get
to boil and then people struggle, and

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then you get told that you're you're
skeptic or you're a complete nonbeliever. Well

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I disagree with that because if that
was the case, I wouldn't still be

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into the paranormal in any single way, shape or form. Would I have

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after these amount of years? I
would have gone, I've had my film,

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now I'm done. People don't like
to actually look into what it is,

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and that's the bit that worries me. Yeah, they always regurgitell you

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what other people told them. Yeah, they've not actually looked into themselves.

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Do we think then, I mean, I know we're coming slightly off topic,

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we're going more into a discussion.
Do we think then that, because

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the point was, do we think
we've progressed at all in regards to equipment

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in the paranormal field? I don't
see an awful lot of progression yet from

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what I've seen, it feels very
same e same or variations on the same

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thing. Well, I've been out
of the paranormal field for what two three

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years with having baby and issues before
that, personal health issues took me out

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of the field. So although didn't
particularly take me out the field, but

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it's taken me away from being out
there and actually using the equipment and seeing

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how it works and looking into it
and stuff. So o, those what

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three years that I've not been as
active, will say, I'm not really

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seeing any change whatsoever. Oh,
there's big changes out there. We've gone

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from rectangle kt meters to pyramid ones, and we've gone from boo buddies to

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haunted dolls with cameras in their eyes. Yes, we have. We have.

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Actually I saw that. That's a
little bit scary because if you've watched

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Sword and you understand why that is
a little bit scary. Get too close

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to the dough is all answer,
certainly. Okay. So the other piece,

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there's another piece of equipment that seems
to be that the must have is

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a laser grid. Yeah, that
enthusiasm is killing me. That possible for

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that and oh what was it the
paranum wactivity on it. Yeah, when

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they had the laser grid thing and
you see the shadow and people thought,

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oh, yeah, we've got to
do that. I mean, to be

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fair, my cat absolutely loves a
laser grid. She's in an element.

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Yeah. You know what. One
thing that bugs me in a paranlen investigation,

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especially the private ones when the clients
have got cats, is that some

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on my team will let's sit there
with the laser gun the temperature gun and

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play with a cat with the laser
and it's to take temperatures with not play

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with cats anyway. Laser grid,
so basically this is a laser pen that

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sends out a grid formation with lots
of different like green or red lights basically

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focused on a specific area. And
the idea is that ghost will pass through

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it and you'll be able to see
the movement across the lasers. So it's

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obviously if you walk in front of
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going in front of it. But
our ghost see through. They're not tangible,

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are they? They're not substantial?
No, so why would a laser

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then bounce off that. We're pretty
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is energy, right, yes,
so there's nothing substantial there, So how

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is that going to affect a grid? And a lot of how I'm Suti

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are like giving you you and Paul
like she's giving sign language everybody, and

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you should see some of the expressions
that are coming out with their hands.

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I think you know one plausible explanation
for that could be the the spirit energy

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isn't solid, so yeah, light
could pass through it. But could it

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also not absorb the laser energy?
Quite possibly, because if you if you

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shine I don't know, if you
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it's it absorbs the light doesn't go
through it, does it. No,

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I'm going to try that now,
just see the ball. Start looking at

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a light you shine in the light
by a light beam at that you,

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it probably won't go through. It
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through and out the other side,
because all you'd see is probably a stronger

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light coming out there said in a
diffused way. Yeah, but then what

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do I know? I mean,
I tried the laser good thing, and

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nothing's ever materialized in it that I
can see. So I've never had any

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joy over a laser grid. No, I'm not going to pretend. I

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have seen them use a laser grid
with a smoke palette. Yeah, yes

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as well, and I've seen some
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with that, Yeah, that could
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paradolia. It could be. But
when you're again we go back to the

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K two effect of when you're asking
specific questions and things are forming within the

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smoke within the laser grid. The
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the smoke is all that that's doing. And because obviously a torch through smoke

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would be a smaller spectrum, so
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through the laser grid with the smoke. And this is actually that I've seen

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this worked with mediums and they're like, oh, look at this, you

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know, look at what's appearing in
the flat. It almost takes it to

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a level of divination, doesn't it. Yeah, rather than a scientific measuring

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of something. So does that make
it any irrelevant piece of kit or does

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that make it an interesting piece of
kit? Bearing in mind, you do

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have to take into account the paradilia
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the people that you're with, to
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you're using, because as Paul identified
with a K two meter, butchers are

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a real issue. And then obviously
I think looking into the type, especially

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for me, the type of pen
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I think. I mean, there's
so many different weren't just talking laser pens

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and grids, Like when you look
on the market, there is so many

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different types laser grids out there that
it's some real and the price range it's

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phenomenal, starting off at what basic
six pound on Amazon two three hundred pound

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on some paranormal equipment sites. That's
what shocks me, I think, is

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the amount of funny that's being charged
for these pieces of equipment. Now,

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another thing that is very common on
a paranormal investigation is the spirit box.

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Now, the reason I'm bringing all
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of the equipment nowadays bounces off the
initial baseline kit that you will start with,

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right, ye, spirit box.
I love a spirit box. I'm

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not going to protect end to not
I do love a spirit box. In

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the darks kind of things to myself, I don't know why it does,

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and I have had it interesting responses
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the rotation. So if you get
like a word or a phrase that goes

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over the rotations, yeah, the
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it's a snatched word or song or
something like that, the chances are it's

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a radio frequency it's picking up right. Yeah. Does it depend on the

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sweep frequency, like the how often
it sweeps? Yes? So what's the

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optiman? Do we know the optiman? Oh? God, now you're testing

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my memory. I think it varies, doesn't it on? I think it

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could be the strength of the if
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be dependent on the strength the type, as we all know that there's allegedly

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different types of Hornians and spirits.
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spirit box itself. So, like
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vary the quickness of the haven't you
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bearing in mind, all that's doing
is running through legitimate like radio stations and

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taxicabs et cetera. Do you know, I mean they're all interfering. Um.

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which because then it's harder words to
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slower, more like if it's picking
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easier for the words to come in, Whereas if it's that quick, I

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suppose in my opinion, it makes
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comprehendable words to come through. Fair
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now I actually use two headsets to
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the people that's listening back to back, and then I'll have a separate person

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asking the questions. And when these
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word, they just shout it out
a random but they'll stepping into the S

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T S experiment. Yeah, that's
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We tend to record on camera what
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we've had some interesting results from that. But we're still tweaking it. You

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know. Next time, I think
I'm going to add someone asking the questions

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from a different room in the same
room. That would be interesting. Yeah,

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it's one of the major criticisms like, obviously the STS experiment came with

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the Stanley Hotel, the Ghost of
Stanley Hotel, and then into Hellier that

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and then exploded onto the paranormal saying
didn't it really? And obviously that thing

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comes from the gangs Field experiments.
They've tweets the gangs Field experiment into the

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STS experiment. Now that works.
If you've got noise canceling headphones, do

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you literally can't hear anything other than
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You will say, doesn't matter which
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does. It's about the integrity of
the investigators you're using. Yeah, this

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is why I don't tend to go
out on public investigations anymore. And I'm

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very selective one who I vote on
investigations, and I'd like to keep them

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small with a small group of people. I find that very interesting because I

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do think we do have something called
audio paradilia as well. Just watch Pak's

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sketch for that, yes, which
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But I do find the experiment itself
very interesting because I do think that

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you're you know, you are linking
through in a different way. And if

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you are asking questions in a separate
room and the phrases coming out from the

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spirit box and being all you know, said by whoever's sitting there on the

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spirit box with headphones, do find
that incredibly interesting? I'm not going to

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pretend I don't. I've not actually
performed that experiment myself. Jemmy, have

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you had a go at that one? I have many times? Yeah,

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And what was your take on it? Sorry? Really loud traffic noise going

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past my house today, So yeah, I like it. But again,

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I think it depends who you're with. I think that is the massive one.

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You've got to be with people that
you trust to be able to do

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this, because with all the best
intention in the world, as human beings

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are very fragile creatures, aren't we, And when we get into something,

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we can transmit information between each other
almost like telepathically. I agree. I

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agree. So that's why the separation
separate rooms sort of takes that out a

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little bit because there is no influence. Yeah, although if you know there

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is a spirit there and he's in
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surely aster he's I've got the question, he's got to run to the

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other group in the other room and
give him the answer, and then he's

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got run back for the next question. Here's a spirit. Yeah, not

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necessarily. Well, you don't no
idea it's to be like three hundred miles

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away. Do you just have to
be in the next room. So the

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chances of whoever's got the headphones on
is not. I understand what you're saying,

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and for the safety experiment, it's
fantastic. But if the spirit's in

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there with a say, for example, you're asking in one room and I'm

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in the other doing the headphones bit, you're going to ask him the question

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in the front room and then he's
going to stick his head out the door

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and go. But you know when
you said, bloh, what's your name?

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He's got to shout out. But
so I can hear it, not

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necessarily, I'm frequensive, is it? If they're not, they're not.

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You've got to remember they're not like
a person in the same room. You've

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got to get out of their thinking
that a spirit would be something that would

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have to move necessarily. If they're
on a free different frequency and that's what

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you're linking into, then it doesn't
matter, does it. I don't know.

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I really don't know the answers for
that one. I can't ask you.

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I can't argue to be fair.
So I mean, let's let's look

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at this though. Let's look at
this bit, right, okay, because

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this is where it gets really really
interesting. So Mike Post said, a

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spirit's going to have to run from
one room to another, which physical beings

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is an issue, right, we
would have to personally pop in and out.

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But spirits not just materialized from the
wall. I've seen it many times

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on TV to see from me,
they're like it's like it's almost like that

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it's they can be here and there, do you know what I mean?

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Because it's they're not tied by the
physical And I think that's that you have

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to get your head around, Like
I could be conversing with the spirit,

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but they could also be some you
know, like conversing. I'll swear at

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the same time a bit, I
don't want to go as far as omnipresent.

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I don't think she's going omnipresent everyone. I don't want to go as

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broad as that, like we would
talk about in regards to like angels or

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God even, but I would say
that they're less restricted by the They're totally

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not restricted by the physical matter that
we we see as barriers. Yeah,

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absolutely, I agree with that.
Actually, but then is that because I'm

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now because I've all of a sudden
got started my spiritual journey, So you

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know, maybe I'm seeing things slightly
different now to what I would have done

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a few years ago. So if
I'm talking to my spirit guide, they

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could also be relaying the same information
to somebody else in another location very easily.

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Yeah. If but then wanted to
like, if you do a group

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meditation and you're all linking into the
same entity and you're not necessarily in the

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same room as each other, yeah, you could still do that. They

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would still be able to have that
link. But just so that could happen

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with telepathy as well. Correct,
You don't have to be in the same

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room to carry out telepathy. So
yeah, so yeah, sorry Paul on

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this one. I don't think the
ghost needs to run in and out of

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the room. It's not like do
you remember that old, the old fitness

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thing, the bleak test that they
used to make you do at school.

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I don't think the spirit has to
worry about that, to be honest.

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See the other side of this is
that when we looked at Darren Ritz and

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we talked about poltergeist, he talked
about something called contagion. Yeah, yeah,

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and it was where like people that
became involved in the initial case,

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so like the family would be have
it, say, for example, the

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family would be having the poltergeist activity. The investigators would then start experiencing certain

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things, weird things, synchronicity is
you know, weird um almost polterguist behavior

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themselves as a contagion from the main
source, so that that in itself raises

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really interesting questions. Yeah, it
does. Yeah, I think this is

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where it gets a bit tricky in
regards to the paranormal field. In offer

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it is a bit difficult to spirit
is do we I mean exactly because until

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we do define exactly what the spirit
is, all these pieces of equipment are

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just attempts at communication with said spirit. Whether they work or not is subjective

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to what we know about our external
world at this moment in time in regards

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to physics, basically, isn't it. And yeah, yeah, I do

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think though the more you work with
investigations and you're in the atmosphere of paranormal

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activity whatever it could be, the
more susceptible you become to it, and

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the more your mind opens up to
the activity, and you do start to

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experience and see more and more as
time goes on. Yeah, ye,

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yeah, I can take that.
I can take that easy. The only

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thing I would add to that is
very early on for me, I noticed

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that public investigations wasn't for me for
that reason because where I was progressing,

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I was learning and I was increasing
my knowledge base on public investigations. You

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have and this is no disrespect to
anybody, because ultimately we're all doing it

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for similar reasons. I guess,
because we want to know what it is.

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But you get the people that would
take absolutely anything as gospel and it's

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a ghost and it's my aunt Edith
popping into visit. Well, I'm not

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sure I necessarily go with an Edith
popping back. I do think that there

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is something, But would I be
able to define that as somebody's aunt Edith

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popping in? Noah, wouldn't.
Yeah, but there is a thing that

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everyone says that everyone's a medium in
the paranormal field. But because I do

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think you become more open to spirit
the more you you do things like this,

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Yes, I think you need it. It's important to remain balanced in

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your perspective and not jump to the
assumption that everything is a ghost and do

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everything men to discount that if you're
putting it out as evidence of paranormal investigator

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paranormal activity. I mean, let's
not even get me started on that,

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because the evidence, as you guys
know, because you bade me run about

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this so many times, people put
out there for public review, amazing evidence

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caught last night, said location,
and then they put a red ring round

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it, well if you need,
if you need to identify it, or

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they put a soundclip, and then
on said soundclip the kindly put in the

407
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,119
words that they believe is being said
underneath. Well, I'm sorry, but

408
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:06,639
I don't class that was evidence.
No, I don't, especially when you

409
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:15,400
get the red hoola hoop of doom
we've come. I'm yeah, let's not

410
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,000
go down that route because that leads
us down into TV shows and we're not

411
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:25,960
doing that particular domic tonight. We're
talking about let's definitely that's not going down

412
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,239
that one. So we're talking about
equipment. So off the back of basically

413
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:36,000
three pieces of kit we've discussed so
far, the K two A laser grid

414
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:45,280
gun and a pen brother and a
counk and the spirit box we've kind of

415
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:52,920
gone into. That's the basic kit
for most starter offers. Yeah, and

416
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:58,639
it's ault and off the back of
that, we've got lots of other pieces

417
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:04,039
of equipment that have bounced off of
that. Yeah, loads in there.

418
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:13,519
The other thing is an em pump. Yeah, where basically it's that's supposed

419
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:20,079
to be flooding the environment with those
pesky little electromagnetic fields that we are trying

420
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,480
to pick up with our K two
meter. So clearly you shouldn't been using

421
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:30,480
a ktometer if you're using an EMF
pump, right, Yeah? Is that

422
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:37,599
a true story? Yeah? Well
one, I mean yeah, why would

423
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:42,639
you put a K two meter next
to a pump that is pumping our electromagnetic

424
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,000
fields? Why would you do that? Right? So, where would an

425
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:52,280
electromagnetic field pump an EMF pump?
Where would that actually be useful? Why

426
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,559
would we bother? Is there an
EMFs everywhere anyway? Why would we bother

427
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:05,000
filling the atmosphere with more surely cloaks? Well, if you say, well,

428
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,159
I don't know, you see,
because I've used it, But then

429
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:15,320
I have used it quite extensively in
some locations, and I don't know.

430
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,320
Maybe I was offering up an actual
human being to a sookie bus though,

431
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,800
do you know what I mean?
So I was like, is all yours

432
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:28,239
can and get him? I did
think, Well, the person that was

433
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,360
there, bearing in mind is quite
a well known investigator. Um, he

434
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:39,119
definitely felt something and he was a
little bit unsettled, and he's not often

435
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:45,599
unsettled. So but we also know
that ian mess can affect, can affect

436
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:52,760
the physical being. Yeah, when
they've done tests on this, I haven't

437
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,079
had experiences, um, and then
be going to pursing his helmet and things

438
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:05,519
like that. Electrodes basically pulsed through
the brain and people have had That's what

439
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,320
it's called the god helmet because people
have. I would like to sound that

440
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,960
particular experiment. You need to look
into that particular experiment because it wasn't just

441
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,199
it was a small percentage that had
a god vision. Yeah, and there

442
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:24,000
was a lot of other feelings and
visions that appeared to varying people. Some

443
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:28,840
of them weren't very pleasant. Some
of them were just like a person felt

444
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,840
like a person was standing in the
room with them. But it didn't deny

445
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:38,519
that it did have an effect.
Yeah, the human physical experience, shall

446
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:44,679
we say? Yeah? Absolutely,
Well again, I mean, let's go

447
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,800
back to what ear meth it actually
is in the first place, you know,

448
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,320
where one of the highest places that
we're going to find emath realistically as

449
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,000
human beings is going to be in
like an X array. Right, Yeah,

450
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,360
you flooded with em then, um, And I don't get into my

451
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:08,039
knowledge, an EMF pump doesn't even
give out as much as an X ray

452
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:16,079
doors. I thought that was what
sorry radiation rather than well it is,

453
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:22,119
but it's still it all still runs
off MF Right. I actually looked into

454
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,519
it and what it is, it's
pretty much the same thing. Um,

455
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:35,280
And people don't have visions, et
cetera with having an X ray. Yeah.

456
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,920
Would it be then that that's a
short space of time An X ray

457
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,199
would be a short space of time. Yeah, I mean potentially. Yeah,

458
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,719
Yeah, you've got almin you've got
a longer exposure with an em pump

459
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,960
flood in the environment and not the
radiation with it. Yeah, that's true,

460
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:05,079
that is true. Surely we've an
em pump though you're just exploiting the

461
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:10,599
human body. Because we all know
that if someone is in the vicinity of

462
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:19,840
electro electromagnetic fields for a long period
of time. I know, if they're

463
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,519
in there for a long period of
time, they do start feeling things like

464
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:30,119
what they would expect spirit to be. Yeah, you know in that room.

465
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,599
So by flooding the rooms with em
pumps when you're on a public investigation

466
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:42,039
and people are experiencing what they think
is a ghost, but it actually is

467
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:46,440
just their normal human reaction to the
electromagnetic fields. So that's all you're doing.

468
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,960
You're exploiting the human body. But
this is the problem, though,

469
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,679
isn't it. For as long as
not that I'm saying that, you know,

470
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,239
we should all be from ghosts and
then start investigating ghosts, because you

471
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,239
know, that's just not going to
happen, is it. Well, might

472
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,719
do, but you never know.
Um, But for as long as there

473
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960
is a human involved in it,
that you're always going to be open to

474
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:15,320
interpretation. And there the problem I
have is we as again we come to

475
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,360
the assumption that we the EMFs,
are going to give spirit energy too.

476
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:25,920
Yeah cause activity right, yeah h
yeah, yeah, Because let's favor it.

477
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,519
What's one of the most common things
that you are on a paranormal investigation,

478
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:37,239
and we we've spoke about this before, Kerry. Use my energy,

479
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,760
well, I'm garely have enough energy
for me, like, I don't want

480
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:45,119
to be giving it away. No, and you should to be fair.

481
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:49,679
That's not something you should do.
Oh no, but you hear it all

482
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,159
the time, right, take my
energy, use my energy. M You've

483
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:59,880
opened my mind to to spirituality a
lot. To be fair, Kerry.

484
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,480
And how many times have you said
to me, why would you not use

485
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:09,440
crystals the natural energy? Yeah,
that's what I take out to the field,

486
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,880
and I also use the crystals energy, not my energy. I don't

487
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,199
even like giving my energy to people, to be fair, you know,

488
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,880
let alone a spirit that I don't
know what it is, who it is,

489
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,159
how it is, I don't know
anything about it. I'm not going

490
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:30,400
to open my energy field to anybody
in anything. I wouldn't necessarily shut it

491
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,800
down completely like some people would use
like a black tomaline or a hemata or

492
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,159
something like that, because I want
to be able to connect on a spiritual

493
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,159
level, do you know what I
mean? While I'm out in the field.

494
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,360
I want to be able to sense
the energy changes that I have a

495
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:52,360
belief in. And there's a point
here there's a belief system going on,

496
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,079
and I'm fully aware of a belief
system and the effect that they can have.

497
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Yeah, so I don't want people
sharing at me in emails thanks,

498
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,320
because I don't get that one.
Well, okay, so let's just address

499
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,440
that one quickly before before we continue. Like, so, anybody that is

500
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,559
listening at the end of the day
or we are giving is our opinions right

501
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:19,840
now. Yeah, per personal belief
systems, and they're an incredibly powerful thing,

502
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,280
particularly when you go into the we
talk about psychological priming and all those

503
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:29,119
things that you know, confirmation biased, the flashy light thing it's going off.

504
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:31,440
That's what Paul said earlier. It's
a confirmation bias. You believes there's

505
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,360
a spirit there, a light goes
off, you think you're having a conversation

506
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,119
with somebody when it's actually a faulty
piece of equipment or coincidence. Needs to

507
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:44,679
new buttery. Yeah. Yeah,
So again, do have to be very

508
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:50,599
aware of your own belief systems and
your own the powers of suggestion and going

509
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:52,800
in Like when someone shows you a
picture and says I can see a picture

510
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,960
of Jesus on a piece of toast, your eyes will automatically seek the pattern

511
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:05,039
out because that is human nature passive. So you will see the picture of

512
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,760
Jesus on a piece of taste because
you know it's that that's what you're looking

513
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:14,719
for. Yeah right, so okay, so we decided that MF pumpson are

514
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:22,320
not really good either. Oh god, honestly, voice boxes right, okay.

515
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:31,239
So the problem that I've got with
at least of the paranormal equipment is

516
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:38,920
that it all runs off the same
thing, and most of the proteotypes are

517
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,239
all of the same thing, and
nothing gets changed up. And I think

518
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,480
that is such an issue in the
paranormal field. And along with all of

519
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:58,480
the equipment, I mean, one
of my biggest biggest things was the apps.

520
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:06,079
Yeah okay, oh, i'd agree. App one night, the tech

521
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:12,480
demon demon Hunter. It's right there. Oh, it's you with your iPhone,

522
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,960
it's inside you. Let's exercise the
demon. I thought you were talking

523
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:25,280
about other electronical equipment that you can
use for your mobile phone. Yeah.

524
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:30,400
Yeah, you still have some apps
downloaded on my phone. Believe it or

525
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:38,199
not. Oh yeah, I learned
since I downloaded them, I have absolutely

526
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,280
no way of knowing how to use
them. I'm not an app kind of

527
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,199
girl. I'm a bit tech fobe
in case you guys hadn't recognize that.

528
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:52,760
But um, yeah, there was
little things that I tried out. Um,

529
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,719
I don't like them. I'm not
gonna lie. I don't like them

530
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,960
mainly because it's a tech thing and
I don't understand the tech behind it.

531
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,639
I understand the theory behind it.
Yeah, I know what you're like with

532
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:07,559
tech. I mean it took us
like four weeks to try and get you

533
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:14,920
set up for a podcast. Yea, when I first started this true story,

534
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,239
now I know how to do it. I'm all over it, well

535
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,400
until it breaks, until the mist
and then I'm like, oh again.

536
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,039
I have to say though, we
did a show with an app developer,

537
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:36,440
ye and whilst we were doing it
live on air, I had weird things

538
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,880
happened in the house. Well,
is that because of the app? Or

539
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:46,599
is that I think you think it
could be a quinky dink? The quinky

540
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:52,760
dink has never happened again ever.
Yeah. But then, to be fair,

541
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,440
we've done a show on demons and
every time you mentioned that word,

542
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,599
everything was kicking off of yours.
Yeah. I was having the kids were

543
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:05,000
away and I was having bangs and
crashes upstairs, and then every time we

544
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:09,960
said the D word, the system
crashed. It was weird, to say

545
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,719
the least, because we was on
skype with you at the time. After

546
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,079
the show, we were still talking
as you do, and that still was

547
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,000
happening, and I was having to
come back in the call that I was

548
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:25,440
dropping out the call because the system
would crash and the guys would be laughing.

549
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,639
The reads off and I was going
to stop saying the god damn words.

550
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,199
And we stopped said the word and
I stopped having issues. Okay,

551
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:42,960
that is interesting and what that was
with an app, Okay, but okay,

552
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,119
so let me just try and get
this straight in my head because it

553
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,559
has been a while. Actually,
I don't think we've got that long.

554
00:49:49,719 --> 00:50:01,239
So with the apps, most apps
they run off. God, I'm really

555
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:07,039
digging deep in my memory banks tonight, I'll tell you. So. Basically,

556
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:13,639
there's every single word in the English
Dictionary and some other languages to be

557
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:19,599
fair, all programmed in to said
device, but broken up. So they've

558
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,239
got the words, but they've broken
them up phonetically and jumbled it all up

559
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:29,360
together. Yeah, so potentially,
and this is the problem that I've got

560
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:34,280
with them, personally, if you
leave them running long enough, they will

561
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:43,559
randomly start spitting out words. Eventually, there is going to be something that

562
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:46,920
coincides with a question that's been asked. Right, does that mean that it

563
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,480
led or does that mean that it's
a coincidence. I don't know because I

564
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:58,079
worry with things like the other lists. Yeah, So the ovulus again programmed

565
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:04,599
exactly the same way, and the
echo vox again programmed exactly the same way.

566
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,039
So those things and apps are kind
of passed us all together, and

567
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:15,320
we have had some weird stuff happen. So I used the echo vox at

568
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,800
one of the locations, and you
know, I've got the same sort of

569
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,760
view as you with the words sort
of programmed in and stuff. But I

570
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,840
actually when when I had the experience, it was almost like the word was

571
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:37,199
said quite sarcastically, So it wasn't
just saying a word, It just come

572
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:43,599
out as sarcastic as anything. Basically, I was sitting on one of the

573
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:51,079
leather sofas in the attic and we
was just talking amongst our selves and someone

574
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:55,360
said to me, what activity would
you like to have tonight that would convince

575
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,920
you of a ghost? And I
said, well, Okay, I would

576
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,559
like a spirit to pick this sofa
up with me on it and right across

577
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:08,800
the room. Yeah no, no, that's it. I don't want much

578
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:14,000
at all, um, but not
even a human could do that. But

579
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,559
it's just as it told me to
wave off. But he said it in

580
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:23,679
such a sarcastic way, quite funny. Really, well, turn out a

581
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:30,840
ten to said spirits. I would
have said exactly the same thing. But

582
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:34,920
I mean echo vox. Okay,
so let's look at that. So all

583
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,519
that is is amplified recording and a
reverb system for all intensive is. That's

584
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:44,840
all it is. We had German
come out of an echo vox eye.

585
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:52,440
But again English, and I would
say ninety percent of other languages are programmed

586
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,599
into them and I but it was
weird. And when we did the research

587
00:52:55,639 --> 00:53:00,639
of the words that came three,
they were relevant to the location and situation.

588
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:06,039
I think, I think each in
every case that is going to have

589
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:13,960
to be obsessed purely on an individual
basis. But how long was you waiting

590
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:17,480
and how many times have you used
them up to actually get something that actually

591
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,239
is relevant? To be fair,
this was quite a long time ago,

592
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,440
and I don't use them now,
but at the time. The person that

593
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:30,400
was using it was using it very
extensively, okay, to the point where

594
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,320
we thought they were addicted to using
it, was using it driving down the

595
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,239
street, you know. But then
he was He drove down the motorway with

596
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:43,119
it on, and as he passed
an area where there was a known accident

597
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:47,039
where a death had occurred, he
had a woman come through and make phrases

598
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:52,159
as he was driving through that area. I have to say it was quite

599
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:59,480
strange. It was quite strange.
I'm not saying it's it could have been

600
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,519
again coincidence, but I'm not.
I wouldn't say I would extensively use it

601
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:09,679
myself, but it was quite interesting
at that time doing it. And you

602
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,960
know, like you think, God, how far does a coincidence become something

603
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:20,039
that's not a coincidence that it's actually
strange? Do you know what I mean?

604
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,880
That's that's the thing with it.
Yeah, definitely. I mean,

605
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:32,280
to be fair, I'm open to
the idea, although I have ripped quite

606
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:40,440
a few of the apps to pieces
to be fair and proven before that it's

607
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:46,199
non e void. But I've not
really used echo vox all that much to

608
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:51,480
be able to say, and I've
not pulled it to pieces. I mean,

609
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,440
ultimately it's a program, right,
so then you basically I think that

610
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:04,639
that's been coded. Yeah, again
human error influence and again you can't take

611
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:09,400
out audio paradolia from that. They
count audio pod you know, you think

612
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,760
you hear a word out of the
mini sounds And again we go to patterns

613
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,880
in our brain. Our brain is
programmed to recognize patterns in not just sight,

614
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,760
bit in hearing as well. You
know, how often do you go

615
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,760
to a foreign country and everyone's speaking
foreign and before you know it, you

616
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:31,960
think you can understand them what you
mean? I count unfortunately now fluent in

617
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:36,599
Japanese. I'm saying to you,
just go to a phone box, darling

618
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,880
your number and dal it. You
get it there loaded straight in from the

619
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,559
matrix. Yeah, this is it, or just take you know, we

620
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:51,719
either raw goldfish. Yeah, I'll
tell you. We're talking to the woman

621
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,360
that created time trouble right now with
a can of beans and all. Oh

622
00:55:54,519 --> 00:56:04,000
yeah, yeah, this is a
chief everybody. Oh my god, that

623
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:08,199
is a blast from the past.
Okay, so let's move it on.

624
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:17,039
EVP. This is a basic voice
recorder that you use and you ask a

625
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:21,159
question and you leave it playing,
and you give a few minutes in between

626
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,679
each question, and then you play
it back and you see if there's a

627
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:30,280
voice that's not yours or your team
members, or a fart, or a

628
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,639
stomach grumble, or a zip or
a russell from your jacket, or even

629
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:37,559
a chair that you're sat on,
or any of the multitude of millions of

630
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:45,000
little noises that get inadvertently made that
you need a voice, right, You're

631
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:49,679
looking for a voice, a phrase, a comment, whatever, beyond all

632
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:58,320
of the obvious things. So I
did an EVP session Rothham Towers and we

633
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:02,360
was with a group of people about
people in total, and there were noises

634
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,760
coming through in between the questions,
and I was like, right, did

635
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:13,639
anybody you have to stime time stamp
like so if you have a stomach grumball,

636
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:19,079
for example, you go stomach so
people know that the noise just before

637
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:24,639
that was your stomach or wherever.
That's the purest person doing it. But

638
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,960
people do make noises inadvertently. The
person was grunting and didn't recognize or realize

639
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,480
that they were actually making noises,
and when you listen to it back,

640
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:40,199
it sounded like a voice. That's
the problem with the UVP is because the

641
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:47,519
weakest part, the weakest point of
that technique is actually the human person in

642
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:52,039
the room at the same time.
Yes, if you put the voice recorder

643
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:58,559
down and then move outside or way
from the recorder and then started asking you

644
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:02,679
questions a bit like the yes Day's
experiment, just with a voice recorder,

645
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,679
that that would be more impressive.
But I do know someone that said,

646
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:12,559
you know, the best EVPs are
the ones you can't hear. This is

647
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:15,920
true. However, the way I
see that is you have to then load

648
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,960
that into a program, for example, assuming audacity is still going I don't

649
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:27,519
know, and then you break it
down and then you look for the gaps

650
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:31,760
in between vocals, so you've got
the graph where it shows where people have

651
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:37,719
spoken, and then it should be
did a non noise straight and within that

652
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:40,559
bat you're supposed to be able to
hear. The way I see that,

653
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:44,559
though, is the more you have
to manipulate something to hear a voice,

654
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,960
the more likely is that it's something
it's not actually a voice. Yeah,

655
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,960
but you don't manipulate that. You
enhance it, so you make it louder,

656
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,519
that's what you do. But then
don't you hear things that you want

657
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:59,159
to hear, because I still couldn't
hear what was supposed to have been there.

658
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:04,639
Well, I'm the world's worse for
that because even with the SB seven,

659
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,400
I'm not programmed what I swear because
I can never hear anything. No,

660
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:13,079
I can't. People are like to
me, oh, yeah, I

661
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:15,719
heard this word and I heard that
word, and I'm like, I didn't

662
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,800
hear anything, but you are drugs. You know here though, is there's

663
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:27,880
been so much research into EVPs.
Yes, I mean Um Bayliss, for

664
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:35,239
one, Um actually wrote a book
from Course from the Dad. Do you

665
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:43,480
remember that book yesterday? Yeah?
Some some There is extensive research into EVPs,

666
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:50,280
and I mean just going back to
that book, like I found it

667
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,519
phenomenal. And there is actually different
classifications of EVPs as well. You've got

668
00:59:54,519 --> 01:00:00,400
your class. But I bet ninety
nine po nine percent of all the paranim

669
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,679
investigates on social media. I haven't
got a clue. No, And but

670
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,679
again, like no disrespect to anybody, but they're the ones that we're going

671
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:15,760
to get that actually put it out
on social media subtitled so everybody can see.

672
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:23,480
Whereas when you look back at the
great Old is there's not Bayliss there's

673
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:29,159
there's other people out there as well, and it's gonna bug me. I

674
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:39,760
can't think of the name begins with
our Robert nor Watch and you're thinking Rogan,

675
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:54,760
aren't you. No, it's going
to really bug me. Constantin Constantinople,

676
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:06,079
involve something anyway. It's going to
bug me like there is, he

677
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:15,119
wrote in the He wrote in the
American um are not broad IV Yes sentence

678
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:21,079
ROLDI, Yeah, thank you.
I did google that. I would just

679
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,639
like to point out I did have
a Google on that one. Oh well,

680
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,840
where would I be without? Yeah? Yeah, you see, like

681
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:32,360
when you think back that those people
and the peer pressure that they won't throw

682
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,920
in the evidence that they had to
put forward had to be substantial, not

683
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:44,880
a recording and then subtitled on social
media because there was no social media about

684
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:51,280
then, but b because they just
wouldn't have done it anyway. Professional people,

685
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,360
right, Yeah, absolutely, we
always come to a bit of it.

686
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,599
We're actually going to take a quick
break before we continue this fascinating discussion.

687
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:10,039
So join us right after this and
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688
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,000
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689
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:19,639
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691
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:31,440
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693
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:42,960
Hello, is there anybody there?
And welcome back to the Paranormal Concept Share,

694
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:49,079
exclusive to the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm Carry Greenaway. Paul Rook

695
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:52,039
is in the studio and so is
generally Dreary, and we're discussing equipment and

696
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:58,199
various methods that we've we've tried in
the field with very equipment that's out there

697
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,960
in this day and age, and
the variations that have come off the back

698
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,159
of this and whether it's worth it, you know, hard day and cash

699
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:09,039
fri guys. This is like,
I get that it's a business, right,

700
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:14,480
I totally get that it's a business. But I also get that people

701
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:17,719
like to invest in their hobbies.
But matt is tight these days of course,

702
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,239
living guys, you know, it's
really skip to spend. Like we

703
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:24,719
was looking at something the other day. It was like one hundred and seventy

704
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:30,239
pounds and it was a glorified box
with lights and flashing things on it,

705
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,320
and I don't actually still don't really
know kind of what it was supposed to

706
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,480
do, apart from be a KT
meter. So you know you're going to

707
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:43,119
spend one hundred and seventy pounds and
a glorified k TO meter just because it

708
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:46,559
flashes and sings. But there are
methods out there that you can use relatively

709
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:52,679
cheap ones. We have a phone. Everybody now, at some point you

710
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,119
were not supposed to take your phone
into the field in any way so hope

711
01:03:55,159 --> 01:04:00,440
or form because of contamination. You
don't know what's on that phone. But

712
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:02,639
have you ever had a phone that's
like not got anything on it? You

713
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,920
literally just download the bitch you want
on it and nothing else. You don't

714
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,639
even put a SIM card in it. You don't have Internet access on it.

715
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,360
You literally use the phone purely and
simply for the appsolutely want. I

716
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:23,760
either voice record a bit. Yeah, you can download various apps then disconnect

717
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,719
from the Internet. They don't need
internet to use, so you can download

718
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,199
the apps initially and then disconnect it
from the internet. It all they all

719
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:38,159
have a compass on them. Yeah. See, this is something else that

720
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:42,280
interests me. Why does nobody take
a compass? I do. I do

721
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,280
not many people do, though,
do they? No? No, And

722
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:53,400
it's not to do your boy scout
thing with your your map and you could

723
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:59,079
you could do the boy scout thing, because I've been to working forest and

724
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:04,719
the guy lead it he got lost, hilarious and he's why you're getting us

725
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:10,639
out of the forest, was to
use the pendulum to guide us. I

726
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,039
love that. I loved that in
the end of what was setting out.

727
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:20,840
But he got us completely lost anyway, and we eventually but yeah, from

728
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:27,840
then on I thought I'll take a
compass. He found water and a fairy

729
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:33,760
ring exactly. It was a laugh
of that one. But Sement actually,

730
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,440
if the if the tall guide actually
got lost, like I don't know why,

731
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,800
but I would absolutely love that because
then you're completely in the wild,

732
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,559
right, Yeah, absolutely Hockley Woods, and I have to say, I

733
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:48,119
was thinking, this walk is a
hell of a lot longer from the Wreckie

734
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:54,719
Walk. So if you took because
you said Hockley Woods, Hockley Woods in

735
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,960
Essex, you've got three walks to
do because little one, a medium sized

736
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,599
one and a big one that goes
around the whole of the site, and

737
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:09,679
it's very easy to start on the
middle one. I'll start on the small

738
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:14,159
one and then cross onto the middle
and then cross onto the large because I've

739
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:16,840
done that a few times. Very
easy. Indeed, folks, it is

740
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,840
all I'm saying. A team of
the public with me. And that was

741
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:27,119
a bit of a mayor because he
was supposed to last two hours and it

742
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:32,920
went on for five. They got
their money's worth. And obviously we've only

743
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:39,079
planned activities to do a various spots
through the tough the two hours, so

744
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:42,599
we ran out, so we was
improvising the whole way for the rest of

745
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:46,280
the three hours. But they loved
it, and I bet that was one

746
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,760
of the best times that you've had, right. I did actually say I'm

747
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,119
not gonna lie. I'm off grid
now. I have no idea from the

748
01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:58,440
other I don't know where we are. We're on a path, I don't

749
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,159
know what we're doing. I don't
know where we are in the woods.

750
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,800
The first first one, the first
one to get us to the pub wins.

751
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,079
By the time we come out there, it was all exhausted. We

752
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:15,199
all had like twigs in a hair
and everything. Paranormal equipment detect Gin because

753
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:23,679
that's one that really interested him.
Oh my lord, to be fair,

754
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:33,159
because of the type of investigation it
was. It was just about we took

755
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:36,840
things that you could carry, right, Okay, so you're not taking like

756
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:45,800
a full blown kit. What's the
other thing is what about CCTV. Well,

757
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:51,639
what's the point of CCTV. I'm
still trying to that one out for

758
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:59,679
myself, and to be honest,
other than when I've used it, I've

759
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:06,920
had it on um equipment and it's
just been monitoring that equipment. That's the

760
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,639
only time I've really used it.
The only other time, like people tend

761
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:15,800
to use it, is when the
one would put it out there publicly.

762
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:21,399
Right. I found it useful for
airflow. The airflow is always good with

763
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,800
CCTV because you can see it,
yes, because it comes up as orbs

764
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:32,439
everybody ys across the room. Problem
then you've got a problem with that because

765
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,680
then there's so many jobs And oh
my god, did you see that one

766
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:42,560
that a date legs someone was going
across the screen. Me and Paul were

767
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,119
set there one night and we was
in a location. It was just me

768
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,239
and him. The other two there's
any four of us altogether. The other

769
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,439
two were off and then the different
floor, and we said that we was

770
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:57,479
watching the CCTV, weren't we pull
It was fascinating and it was all about

771
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,479
air flow, but it was fascinating
how the air was actually flowing through the

772
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:06,680
building. And it was only until
we saw it on the CCTV that you

773
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:13,000
could see that into playoff. So
where you thought I'm getting a you know,

774
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:15,720
there's a cold breeze or a cold
spot, it was in places you

775
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,920
wouldn't have necessarily anticipated. But because
we could see the air flow, it

776
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:24,560
explained things a lot more, didn't
it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

777
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:29,039
I think they're quite useful if you
have got a big team and you're all

778
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:32,000
split off into varying areas. So
if say, for example, you've got

779
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,239
a team in a zone A for
example we'll call it, and a team

780
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:40,760
in Zone being, you're all you're
in the harb watching if they get an

781
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,239
activity, you could see where each
member of the team is. Yeah,

782
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,800
Like if someone says, oh,
I got touched, you could say,

783
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,640
well, no, actually, because
Bob was really close to you in the

784
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,640
dark, you didn't know it is
that it was actually him who touched you.

785
01:09:55,279 --> 01:10:00,479
It's good for things like that,
not so good for picking up perion.

786
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:06,279
No, No, I don't think
I've seen any any CCTV footage that

787
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:13,760
I have thought was good evidence of
a spirit, mainly because of the nature

788
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,279
of the film. It's not clear. It's in night vision, low quality

789
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:30,039
generally right training. So I have
to disagree a bit with that because I've

790
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:38,319
done an investigation on a It was
a barge, the Thames Barge, and

791
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:44,399
it was called Reminder, and we
was there from Thursday to Sunday, and

792
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,199
I put a camera up in the
living quarters bit looking down the boat all

793
01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:57,000
the way to the end where the
bedrooms were, and one of my investigators

794
01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:01,279
they were on their own on the
boat taping down the wire of the camera

795
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,520
because we had public out and a
ghostwalk, and then they we're going to

796
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:11,319
come back and do an investigation.
At that point, we just left,

797
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,800
probably about ten minutes into the ghostwalk, and the person on the boat radioed

798
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,920
meet and said, can you come
back. There's thing's happening And I'm absolutely

799
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,319
pupping myself. So I was like, okay, yeah, that's fine,

800
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:30,640
I'll come back. What had happened
She heard someone call her name and then

801
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,079
she heard a massive crash like something
had fallen off of the ceiling onto the

802
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:38,600
floor, but she couldn't find anything. So when I got back, I

803
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,359
was like, you're probably imagining it. I said, you know, the

804
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:47,479
whole name calling thing, you could
just you could do that, but with

805
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:53,560
the crash, was looking at possible
causes were slamming cupboard doors and I was

806
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,720
like, is that the sound?
And no, So we never really did

807
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,640
get to the end of that,
and then I realized, oh, yeah,

808
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:04,239
we put on the cameras last night
a film, so let's rewind them

809
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:11,760
to see what was going on,
and we actually call what looked like now,

810
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,680
you know, like in The Predator
when they cloak and you get that

811
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,079
shimmer I had. I saw that
little shimmer of a little in the shape

812
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:26,399
of a little boy walking across the
fireplace, turning down into the corridor where

813
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:30,640
the bed the beds and the bunks
were, and then it just vanished.

814
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:36,560
No, I can't explain that that
was the only time it happened on the

815
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:44,520
cameras for that whole weekend that we
was there. So I can quite honestly

816
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,840
safely say the cameras are working,
so it isn't a clamor camera glitch.

817
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:54,720
I really don't. I really can't
explain what that was. Was it a

818
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,640
spirit? I'm still I'm still not
inclined to say that it was a ghost,

819
01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:04,520
just something explained because I can't explain. It doesn't mean that someone five

820
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,840
years down the line might take a
look at it and go, actually,

821
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:14,319
yeah that's what it was. Yeah, it just it is just a mystery.

822
01:13:14,399 --> 01:13:19,479
And apparently I learned what sort of
camera was you using? Oh I

823
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,720
don't know. We're going back years
now, Okay, yeah, I can't

824
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:30,800
remember, but I've I found out
a couple of weeks after that that there

825
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:35,199
was actually a little boy that was
killed by that boat because he felt while

826
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:39,680
he was trying to look while he
was loading up the boat, he fell

827
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:46,239
into the gap between the boat and
the harbor, and the boat crashed into

828
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:53,039
him and crushed him. Whether that's
true or not, I don't know,

829
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:58,000
because I've never really researched that deeply
into it because he was a public investigation.

830
01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:05,840
But all I can say is many
a photograph, video footage argument has

831
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:14,760
taken place post investigation between team members, let alone public forums on whether or

832
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,600
not it isn't, possibly could be, and they're on YouTube. You've got

833
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:27,880
hundreds of different people doing compilations of
could this possibly be paranormal activity, including

834
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,920
a producer he does, so he
did do that for a while. Yeah.

835
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:40,439
Interesting stuff though, and it's good
to get a discussion going. I

836
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:45,439
mean, it's the one thing of
about CCTV on a paranormal investigation is I

837
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,279
think you with the nail on the
edge earlier Kerry when you said you was

838
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:53,720
just sat watching it in the hub, because that is my ultimate favorite thing

839
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,960
to do. And it's not to
watch the airflow or to watch those magical

840
01:14:58,079 --> 01:15:03,039
orbs that are Scotland a on the
room. It's to watch people. M

841
01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:11,000
hmm. People are very interesting on
paranormal investigations. Members of the public.

842
01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:16,479
Let's deal with the beautiful public.
Yes, first of all, they're there

843
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:21,880
for an experience. Yes, they're
there because they've seen a television program and

844
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:27,479
they kind of want to experience it
for themselves, right, And they want

845
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,359
to try the kit that we've talked
about, and they want to try the

846
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:35,199
you know, the calling out the
thrill of a of a old location in

847
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:42,279
the middle of the night, Oots
Gary, It's kind of like, um,

848
01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:49,760
it's a buzz yeah, right,
I've experienced that at some point.

849
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:56,199
That's actually what keeps you going back
out. Yeah, the bus of it,

850
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:03,600
particularly you're in an old house or
you're in you know, a public

851
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,880
place that you can go and visit
during the day as a tourist. You've

852
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:13,840
got it yourselves all night. Yeah, that is one of the best feelings

853
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,000
in the world. That alone is
the best feeling in the world. Secondly,

854
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:24,399
lights out, it's a little scary
but safe. But they're a little

855
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:30,439
scary. We love it, right, that's all we do it. And

856
01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:35,119
nine times out of ten it's being
called haunted, which is where you go

857
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:42,880
because you might bump into a ghostie. Yeah, I'd love to bump into

858
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:48,960
Casper one night. I have had
experiences on paranormal investcations. That's what keeps

859
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:54,800
me going back because I want to
explain those experiences. But for the public,

860
01:16:55,079 --> 01:17:00,520
they want to Casper. Yeah.
Do we then feel we are doing

861
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:06,039
a disservice to the public by using
all these pieces of equipment that we've kind

862
01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:15,960
of most people would not be able
to explain to the public, But to

863
01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:20,479
say, is an MF pump.
We use it to flood the electromagnetic fields

864
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:26,800
because ghosts use EMFs as their medium
to come through. That's kind of the

865
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:32,720
explanation you get, right, But
then that's because that's the sort of information

866
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:39,399
that's passed over, passed down through
investigation teams. Yeah, but as I

867
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:46,199
said to you earlier, all you're
doing is manipulating um and um, you

868
01:17:46,279 --> 01:17:54,520
know, using the human body and
their reaction to EMF to stimulate the illusion

869
01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:00,760
that you're being touched or watched or
you know, all your things are coming

870
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:08,640
with the spirit activity. I think
there's a real disservice being done. Actually,

871
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:14,279
if I'm honest to the general public
that ultimately want that experience, now

872
01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:18,840
they want that experience nine times out
of ten because of personal belief systems.

873
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:27,159
Yeah, and because of everything that
they see on the TV shows they then

874
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:34,520
want that experience. I think that's
a huge disservice. If I'm totally honest,

875
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:44,439
what are we teaching people? What
are people leaving with other than personal

876
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,560
experiences. Now I'm not discounting for
personal experiences because we've all had them for

877
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,920
that long and again part of the
reason why we all keep coming back.

878
01:18:54,600 --> 01:19:00,279
But I think a lot of knowledge
is lacking in the paranormal field, and

879
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:08,439
people see things that is for entertainment, purposes only. Yeah, edited,

880
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:16,279
very finally edited. I think that
is a disservice. Or are we actually

881
01:19:16,359 --> 01:19:23,479
giving the paranormal field, the teams
out there a disservice Because everybody I've interviewed

882
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:28,880
now, I've interviewed to heck of
a lot of people, just a few.

883
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,479
I've been doing this a long time
now, as Paul has as well,

884
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:39,680
and you've done at your fair share
of interviewing. They're not as unknowledgeable

885
01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:44,720
as we kind of making out a
little bit tonight. No, No,

886
01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:49,319
some are extremely knowledgeable, but they
don't share it on our public investigation.

887
01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:55,960
No, that's true. But they
do have the knowledge, some don't get

888
01:19:56,119 --> 01:20:00,800
some definitely do have the knowledge.
But then that begs the question, why

889
01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:10,079
is all the people with a little
bit of knowledge not getting together and create

890
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:15,479
in some sort of a portfolio.
Why are they still doing it for the

891
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:20,680
public and not actually gaining anything?
Because I think we come down to the

892
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:26,479
cost factor. A lot of teams
are small. We haven't got a lot

893
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,439
of money, right, it's not
a rip off. If you want to

894
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:36,039
hire a large location, you have
to kind of pushes you into public for

895
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:42,680
it. Unfortunately, it's a true
story kind of sometimes doing team shares that

896
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:47,560
in itself is a challenge within itself. Yeah, I just I think it's

897
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:54,840
such a fine line, and I
think that's what the problem is. It's

898
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,479
such a fine line because, like
you say, when you've got team shares,

899
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,920
you've then got people that will hold
to their bit of evidence that they've

900
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:09,399
got all the information that they've got
and they're not sharing it properly, and

901
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:14,159
I think that makes it hard.
Yes, to get big locations. I

902
01:21:14,199 --> 01:21:18,319
had to do it. To get
some amazing locations, I had to take

903
01:21:18,399 --> 01:21:24,079
members of the public along, which
then took the investigation away from me.

904
01:21:25,399 --> 01:21:30,560
Yeah, because you're herding people around
the location and doing various experiments in using

905
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,560
the equipment, showing them what to
do, you know, trying different things.

906
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:38,760
But then of course the public won't
act in the same way. And

907
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:44,199
that's just down to being a knowledgeable
really about how to act to an investigation.

908
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,880
That's not a fault, No it's
not. But then let's throw into

909
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:59,079
that most of the locations, especially
the mega expensive ones, are the places

910
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:03,640
that would have cost maybe two hundred
pound to night. I know, obviously

911
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:10,760
inflations massive ear guys, I'm not
completely blind for that but because it's been

912
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:16,560
on TV shows, it's now two
three grand denied. Yeah yeah, And

913
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:25,239
because it's been labeled haunted, Well, some of my best investigations or some

914
01:22:25,319 --> 01:22:31,800
of my most prominent personal experiences have
been in derelict buildings, if I'm honest.

915
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:39,039
Yeah, and that has a challenge
all in its own right. Definitely

916
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:45,720
definitely not public, and you have
to be very very careful of because you

917
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:50,399
then cross into urban exploring, effectively
across the ghost hunting into urban exploration.

918
01:22:51,039 --> 01:22:57,359
Urban exploration is a whole different ball
game in regard to legalities. Oh yeah,

919
01:22:57,119 --> 01:23:02,800
yeah, I mean, obviously don't
try this at folks. But exactly

920
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:08,840
the point remains, though, just
because people are going to these locations because

921
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:14,359
they've been on TV and because their
clusters haunted, that's what everybody goes after.

922
01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:19,960
Just because it's not got a signpost
saying haunted doesn't mean to say that

923
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:28,399
there is no form of haunting.
I totally agree. I think sometimes the

924
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:34,560
most phenomenal activity is when you're not
actually investigating. Oh yeah, yeah,

925
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:40,680
I mean talk to the you know, general public experiences that come forward nine

926
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,279
times out of ten then nothing to
do with the paranormal investigation. Normal people

927
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:49,920
living their lives and having an experience
that they cannot explain, and that goes

928
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:56,119
to places like the SPR and ASAP
and places like that generally before it hits

929
01:23:56,159 --> 01:24:00,600
the public forum, as it were. But then you've got issues with that

930
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,520
as well, haven't you, because
then you have to rule out other factors

931
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:13,560
like medications, drug, alcohol abuse, mental help, stay like even.

932
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,000
Yeah, paranormal investigating isn't easy by
any stretch of the imagination, and it

933
01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:24,159
definitely do you want a silver platter
whichever way you look at it. Do

934
01:24:24,199 --> 01:24:30,800
we think then that it's very easy
to cast judgment, isn't it? On

935
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:32,920
other people in the paranormal field?
We see it all the time. It

936
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:40,079
still goes on, it's been going
on since. Do we think that it's

937
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:45,520
that's the problem, the judgment?
Oh, massively? Yeah, Yeah,

938
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,279
I mean I won't watch promonormal TV
shows anymore. No, I don't.

939
01:24:53,399 --> 01:24:59,319
No, I can't bring myself to
watch it anymore because there's people that I

940
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,279
know that I've worked with, that
I know are capable of more. But

941
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:10,039
it's edited to make it look a
certain way. Yeah, and it infuriates

942
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:14,760
me. But then that's writings and
again with dentibusiness, aren't we yeah again,

943
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,760
Yeah, And I think that's the
problem. But it's so difficult,

944
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,520
and I don't think there is a
right or wrong way necessarily. I think

945
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,880
everybody's going to do it differently.
But I think definitely this is why I'm

946
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:33,880
now a solo sort of girls these
days, because I don't want to get

947
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:40,840
involved with all the drama, the
politics of the parallels. That's exactly why

948
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:45,880
I do it, don't. I
don't go out investigating with anyone there.

949
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,760
No. I mean there was a
time where I would have been on social

950
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,920
media before when people was like saying
about this piece of equipment or that piece

951
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,039
of equipment, and I would have
argued it with them. Now I'm just

952
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,640
do you know what, as long
as having fun and you're happy doing it,

953
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,079
then you crack on yeah, because
you know full well that in like

954
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:08,319
three years down the line, they're
going to be in exactly the same place

955
01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:10,680
you are, and they're going to
be like, I can't believe I was

956
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,239
like that, Yeah, exactly exactly, and three years down the line and

957
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:19,359
if somebody you'll be saying I've got
this vintage piece of equipment, they're going

958
01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:24,000
to be like we'll actually no,
it's not. Yeah, but people got

959
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:29,359
to learn and they're all on different
levels of learning. Absolutely, and belief

960
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:33,439
systems and I know we're hanging on
about belief systems, but belief systems in

961
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:40,159
the paranormal field is huge and it
impacts on so much. It does the

962
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:45,279
psychology, oh things is actually a
lot more paramount in the paranormal field.

963
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:49,119
I always said this, I love
the field because it led me down,

964
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:54,399
or leads me down even to this
day. So many different fields, even

965
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:59,800
down to you know, like physics
and geology and you know, research of

966
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:03,319
history, and there are so many
different avenues. It takes you down,

967
01:27:03,359 --> 01:27:06,399
and you know, you come off
the back of an investigation and you start

968
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,119
doing the work. That's where the
work then takes place. Oh yeah,

969
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,880
you know, to really work out
what either what it was that you was

970
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,800
experiencing. I mean an EMF fluctuation
we had one night took me down the

971
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:27,520
road of glass manufacturer, Yeah,
to find out if glass. For some

972
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,920
weird reason, I had it in
my head that it was the glass that

973
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:35,000
was doing it because the data logger
was by an old glass window wasn't meant

974
01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:39,600
sorry to do with the lead is
to do with the lead in the lead

975
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:45,239
content in the glass. And that
was and that was an interesting, a

976
01:27:45,399 --> 01:27:49,479
really interesting evening. Another evening I
spent looking at earthquakes in the UK,

977
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:55,520
wondering if that was a factor of
a wise particular area was particularly active.

978
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:02,800
I spent another god knows how many
months researching eupho activity in regards to correlations

979
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:10,399
between euphoactivity and para normally investigate,
you know, parallel activity, whether there

980
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,680
was you know, a link that
we could find in the UK. That

981
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:18,279
that was incredibly difficult. I didn't
get very far, but months I spent

982
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:26,119
trawling various sights trying to work out
things and crossing over maps, trying to

983
01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:30,800
overlay maps to find, you know, a map from the fifteen hundreds to

984
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:35,159
the sixteen hundreds, the seventeen hundred
to see the difference of whether or not

985
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:40,199
there was a build up, the
geology change and stuff like that. That's

986
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:43,920
how I found out that the gallows
in Ponta fact weren't actually anywhere near the

987
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:48,399
location that was set because overlaying maps
all night, you know, for days.

988
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:54,159
Again, that took me forever,
and it taught me varying skills through

989
01:28:54,279 --> 01:28:58,159
that in regard to research methods,
and it made me branch out and talk

990
01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:01,359
to people that I wouldn't have talked
to before, and I learned. I

991
01:29:01,399 --> 01:29:04,600
went down the emfrow. I couldn't
repeat it now. It was for a

992
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:12,319
specific show, but I spent a
long time learning and basically doing level mass

993
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,399
that was just way above my pay
league, do you know what I mean?

994
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:20,319
Because I am a mathematician or a
geology of physicist or anything like that,

995
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:30,920
And that led me down into work
that was done by the guy Tesla

996
01:29:30,119 --> 01:29:33,079
Tesla, That's where I was going
with that one, you know, I

997
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:39,880
mean, it's vary and that's what
catches me. Yeah, the research that

998
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:45,359
comes off the back of an investigation
or you're looking at a location to investigate,

999
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,239
so you start delving into it a
little bit and find out whether it's

1000
01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:53,840
worth doing and paying out your hard
earned cash to go, and whether or

1001
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,039
not it is as relevant or is
it a hyped up story. And that's

1002
01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:02,720
the key point for my opinion.
On top of that, if you get

1003
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,720
a personal experience, which is why
I don't really like the KIT, because

1004
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:13,000
I like to just experience the building
and the vibe and the feel of it,

1005
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:17,039
and because I work with energy in
my own field, the spiritual field,

1006
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,680
that to me becomes more integral.
And I took techniques that I use

1007
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:29,279
in manifestation into the field crystal gridding
and using crystals in the paranormal field in

1008
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:33,239
a way that was completely different that
sang to me in my way, and

1009
01:30:33,319 --> 01:30:38,359
that they'd be down a whole different
level of research as well in regards to

1010
01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:44,279
my own spiritual journey. That's where
I came from and what I do in

1011
01:30:44,319 --> 01:30:49,439
the field. Paul, Yeah,
over the years, what is it for

1012
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:55,319
you still now? So I still
again, like yourself, I'd like to

1013
01:30:55,399 --> 01:31:00,800
have the personal experience. So when
I go to a private investoration case,

1014
01:31:01,239 --> 01:31:08,399
the first thing I'd like to do
is just going there myself have have whatever

1015
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:15,359
experience that the client is claiming.
So I'll just sit there and absorb the

1016
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:23,199
energy around, and if anything happens, I'll log it down and make a

1017
01:31:23,319 --> 01:31:29,520
record of it, and then i'd
go into interviewing the client or witnesses and

1018
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:38,119
things like that, and then i'd
devise my own investigation experiments to prove what

1019
01:31:38,319 --> 01:31:45,279
caused said activity. And I just
like doing that. That's private investigations for

1020
01:31:45,319 --> 01:31:49,600
me is definitely the way forward,
Gemma. I know you've been not investigating

1021
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,520
for a little while now. I
know it's something that you probably will want

1022
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:57,520
to get back to at some point. At some point, I'm on maternity

1023
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:01,000
leave though, so if there is
such a thing from the parent armal,

1024
01:32:01,159 --> 01:32:05,520
but yeah, eventually I will be
wanting to be out there again. But

1025
01:32:06,279 --> 01:32:12,520
I do still keep my hand in. I am still quite actively snooping in

1026
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,439
what's going on in the field,
And I think snooping is the best word

1027
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:20,640
because I don't ever comment see it, and research wise, I just do

1028
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:27,119
my own little thing in the background, and I think that's really what it's

1029
01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:30,520
it's all about. It's doing your
thing, connect with the people that you

1030
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:36,079
know this wild and wonderful journey leads
you on. But in regards to equipment,

1031
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:41,479
I don't think I'll be actually investing
in any equipment anytime. So nothing

1032
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:47,399
new that I've seen that screams to
me, you need to buy me.

1033
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:53,439
You cannot live another day on this
earth plane without me in your life.

1034
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:58,720
There's nothing. It's all basically bounced
off the equipment. We detailed it in

1035
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:05,000
the first half of the Yeah,
now there are guitar ramps with crystals and

1036
01:33:05,039 --> 01:33:11,319
copper wires coming off of it.
Yeah, there are alice boxes. There

1037
01:33:11,359 --> 01:33:15,680
are so many different variations. Again
that comes off the spirit box. You

1038
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:20,479
get whistles and bangs and what's that's
off of rampods, that's off of ear

1039
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:26,960
meth pumps, that's for katometers,
that's off of spirit boxes. With their

1040
01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:31,960
death methods and gans field experiments you've
got, you know, they all boil

1041
01:33:32,079 --> 01:33:40,720
down to the same thing. My
personal bugbear in regard to equipment is cattles.

1042
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,640
Yeah, the amount of times if
still on them things. YEA,

1043
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:50,119
inadvertently you put them down, you
think great, they're going to be played

1044
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:55,880
with, or you know they're going
to move great, and then you are

1045
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:59,000
wandering around the location you accidentally kick
one, and then someone comes and goes,

1046
01:33:59,039 --> 01:34:04,840
ah, it's moved. It possibly
has moved to vibration. It possibly

1047
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:11,680
has moved because of someone accidentally kicking
it. Has I have to say,

1048
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:14,439
though, I did do it a
crystal grid and I said it up and

1049
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:19,880
I said, do not anybody touch
this right, And a team member went

1050
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,840
down. She accidentally moved something.
She put it back. She goes,

1051
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,840
I put it back, and I
went down and she didn't tell me she'd

1052
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,000
done it, and I went down
and I went the grid has moved.

1053
01:34:30,319 --> 01:34:33,279
Somebody's moved at and they were like, no, no, and I was

1054
01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:39,520
like, I'm telling you now,
somebody moved at And then they admitted that

1055
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:45,479
they'd accidentally moved to grid. That's
how good I am. Never mind that

1056
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:50,840
they actually moved it and put it
right on the other side, but were

1057
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:57,720
completely different room of course picked it
up completely different. It started off as

1058
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:06,840
a grid and then he moved to
a circle moved. All I'm saying is

1059
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:14,600
that I'm good. No arrogance there
whatso. But that's how I work in

1060
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:18,560
the field, and generally that's where
my past experiences come from, is working

1061
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:23,159
my spiritual way in the field.
I would love to get out there,

1062
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:27,239
but there's nothing at this point in
time that is dragging me out there.

1063
01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:30,039
Where I go. I've got to
do that. I was a little jealous

1064
01:35:30,039 --> 01:35:33,960
sported with Chester mention. Yeah,
I would have been fell a look up

1065
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:39,079
place. It was really nice.
It was snowing when we left. That

1066
01:35:39,159 --> 01:35:44,119
place was absolutely beautiful, all right, stop rubbing it in there. And

1067
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:48,560
I stayed at a little village pub
just down the road as well. All

1068
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,520
I'm saying is if I do it, it's never ever going to be on

1069
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:56,479
a snowy night. It will be
on a warm must have been it was

1070
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:01,680
absolutely freezing. Even the ghost is
one thing that I don't miss, actually

1071
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:08,119
being nice and warm at home.
It is the cold. Can't do the

1072
01:36:08,119 --> 01:36:12,600
cold. I don't know if it's
because I'm getting older now, like I'm

1073
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,199
sure it didn't you tather me when
I was younger, but as I'm getting

1074
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:18,359
older. I mean, the first
thing that goes through my head is I'm

1075
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:21,800
used to being in bed by nine
pm. And then the second thing is

1076
01:36:23,279 --> 01:36:27,600
it is so cold. Yes,
yeah, I have to say there's been

1077
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,680
a couple of nights where we've been
out and literally been in a t shirt

1078
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:35,760
and trousers, you know, because
it's been beautiful and nice and warm evening

1079
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:43,760
like a beautiful summer evening. Cold
winter evenings I cannot do physically. My

1080
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,319
joints cannot take it these days.
Walking out the house like a mitchell In

1081
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:56,000
woman is not one for me these
days. So some investigations of a night

1082
01:36:56,319 --> 01:36:59,520
only, and that would be after
I've been allowed to sleep all day to

1083
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:06,439
keep me allows going all night.
I do wonder if somebody should create something,

1084
01:37:09,239 --> 01:37:13,960
just to see how many paranormal investigators
end up with arthritis because of the

1085
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:18,159
cold and sitting on the floor.
Yeah, cold, damp environment in the

1086
01:37:18,199 --> 01:37:23,279
midst of winter. It's not fun. Like I think my lungs are burning

1087
01:37:23,279 --> 01:37:26,079
at the thought of going out in
the freezing cold. They're already like,

1088
01:37:26,279 --> 01:37:29,359
no, don't do it. No, yeah. I used to get right

1089
01:37:29,399 --> 01:37:34,720
off on that sort of stuff.
I weren't even cold because I'd be so

1090
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:40,880
excited and listening to us like we're
only twenty one plus b eighteen. We're

1091
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:47,000
going on like we're one hundred and
fine. I don't have any problems going

1092
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:54,000
on in a cold It's fine,
all right, sure you honestly this man

1093
01:37:54,039 --> 01:37:56,399
who will sit there? It could
be sub zero and you'll be in a

1094
01:37:56,439 --> 01:38:03,239
T shirt? Yeah, I can't
there. I'll be in like long John's

1095
01:38:03,279 --> 01:38:08,159
five T shirts, twenty jumpers and
a coat. Do you know I'm under

1096
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:12,239
blankie just for good measures exactly,
and still be cold. And one thing

1097
01:38:12,279 --> 01:38:15,279
I always always did on the investigations, actually, and it is quite funny

1098
01:38:15,279 --> 01:38:19,640
thinking of thinking back to being cold
as everybody else was going along and going

1099
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:23,960
on getting really hot and getting really
hot. I'd be like I'll hold your

1100
01:38:24,039 --> 01:38:28,920
jacket. Ver'm just like, yeah, like added to the lions that I've

1101
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,880
got. I'm not sure whether I
was a paranormal investigator or a coat hook

1102
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:43,359
at. Yeah. I think the
worst bit for me on investigation is the

1103
01:38:43,399 --> 01:38:48,560
pack up of all said kits.
Yeah, it takes forever. If you're

1104
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,640
doing like you know, if you're
going out and you're putting CCTV up and

1105
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:56,560
you're doing your trigger objects in your
baseline test and you've got this bit of

1106
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,479
kit and that bit of kit.
That for me is the worst bit of

1107
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,720
the evening when you get there,
I like to just go in field the

1108
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:08,479
five, get on somebody's setting out
with wires and you know, going oh

1109
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,560
mind and all this, and then
at the end of the evening when you're

1110
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:15,239
done, you just want to grab
and go. Yeah. And let's face

1111
01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:19,760
it, the one thing that everybody
wants after a paranormal investigation. Now correct

1112
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,760
me if I'm wrong, but it's
a McDonald's, right, Yeah, the

1113
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:30,439
debrief in the McDonald's. Ever,
and I suppose all the fast food restaurants

1114
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:36,199
are available, guys always been a
makis and yeah, and that's all I

1115
01:39:36,199 --> 01:39:40,600
could think about, not oh my
god, I've got to collect twenty miles

1116
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:45,680
of wire and pack everything away nice
and neatly, and all that garbage.

1117
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,600
All I could ever think about was
A, I need more coffee, yeah,

1118
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:55,199
yeah, and B where's the nearest
marks? M not packing up?

1119
01:39:56,319 --> 01:39:59,920
I think I've got a home from
an investigation before. Now we've you know,

1120
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,439
we read the debrief, the McDonald's
that we read the debrief. I

1121
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:05,640
get dropped off at five o'clock in
the morning. I'm sure my neighbors thought

1122
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:11,319
I was a day and I was
just hanging around old buildings in the middle

1123
01:40:11,359 --> 01:40:14,159
of the night, and I'd getting
based and I was still, and I

1124
01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:17,479
would be shivering because the hold had
settled into your bones. And that,

1125
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:20,800
I believe is my joint problem is
that I've got nothing to do with my

1126
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:25,359
age. Yeah, yeah, I
know, absolutely, I'm with you.

1127
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:30,119
My hips don't after ack now they're
never used to. But the hip thing

1128
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:33,479
could be kid thing. Yeah,
but we'll skim over that, we'll put

1129
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:43,960
it dance. This is an amazingly
wonderful world. There are many many bits

1130
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,800
of beautiful little deck that you can
take with you. My advice would be

1131
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:55,600
discerning about what you invest your hard
earned cash. In the price that we

1132
01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:00,199
touched on it earlier, like the
price for me is phenomenal, like to

1133
01:41:00,319 --> 01:41:03,920
charge stupid amounts of money. Yes, I know that hard work has gone

1134
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:08,640
into it, but I just think
people don't have the money and does it

1135
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:13,439
actually prove anything. There's always like
the latest piece of care. I mean,

1136
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:15,880
we saw a little while ago,
a couple of years ago the SLS

1137
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:19,840
camera. No, no, let's
not even get me started on a lot

1138
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:28,439
of people modifying their xboxes can help
monitor. We saw that modified it into

1139
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,560
You've got to think of the technology
that goes into this, the three D

1140
01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:40,319
laser thing that builds up and that
all came in at the moment. We've

1141
01:41:40,319 --> 01:41:46,520
got pyramids that flashlights. Oh.
It's just sometimes you go out there and

1142
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:54,239
people look like a sas kind of
job aid, don't they with all their

1143
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:59,119
pockets, deck and stuff like that
in it need that for all of the

1144
01:41:59,399 --> 01:42:04,880
equipment they're carrying around. The need
there was cargo pants and belts and drops.

1145
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:13,119
H. I think it's what I
have to say. I've got to

1146
01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:19,000
say this. It's whatever floats your
boat. Absolutely it's a hobby. Yeah,

1147
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:25,520
no serious scientific person is going to
take anything you gather on a paranormal

1148
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:31,239
investigation as evidential or serious. Quite
frankly, best will in the world,

1149
01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:40,279
they're not going to if you're talking
that level of investigation, not me and

1150
01:42:40,359 --> 01:42:43,640
Fanny. They're not going to involve
a little old person like me or you,

1151
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,640
Gemma or you, or most of
the paranormal teams out there. If

1152
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:51,279
you want to stand a chance of
being involved in something on a little bit

1153
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:59,560
more higher level, you would need
to be part of the Eklons of the

1154
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:05,600
Sea or a sap or ghost club
or any of those. Yeah. Yeah,

1155
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:15,640
absolutely, in my personal opinion,
read the research that's been done by

1156
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:21,680
these people. It's fascinating, it
is. Yeah, we learned to be

1157
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:29,319
fair, Yeah, there is in
the paranormal. Bearing in mind that's an

1158
01:43:29,359 --> 01:43:33,039
umbrella term as we know every days
the school day, right, Yeah,

1159
01:43:33,079 --> 01:43:39,159
but that's what it's about. Learn
people. I don't like equipment, don't

1160
01:43:39,159 --> 01:43:44,840
mean to say that other people shouldn't
each to their own definitely, m I

1161
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:50,239
think the one biggest thing that I
would ever say is just enjoy yourself.

1162
01:43:51,039 --> 01:43:58,199
Have fun, enjoy yourself, don't
take it too seriously, do your own,

1163
01:43:58,359 --> 01:44:01,960
follow your own pathway, do your
own research. Look at the varying

1164
01:44:02,079 --> 01:44:10,279
cases. The Skulls experiment, they
sat and did you work before they got

1165
01:44:10,319 --> 01:44:14,600
taken seriously. And actually if you
read all the information on that, you'll

1166
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:18,960
understand that that spread and involved lots
of other groups, not just them.

1167
01:44:19,079 --> 01:44:27,199
Everyone focuses on the main five as
four. Sorry, yeah, having a

1168
01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:30,159
little bit of em brace c Yeah, the work. There were so many

1169
01:44:30,199 --> 01:44:34,439
more people involved in that. And
I went off the back of that as

1170
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:39,039
well. That didn't pop out on
a Friday night it and just do one

1171
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:43,319
investigation and then bishbash boom. That
was famous and they discovered this evidence,

1172
01:44:43,359 --> 01:44:48,199
that evidence, and it's all gospel. Years and years and years and hours

1173
01:44:48,359 --> 01:44:53,399
upon hours. And let's face it, as we know, a lot of

1174
01:44:53,399 --> 01:44:58,760
those hours was just sitting around with
nothing. No, the initial years,

1175
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:03,600
not a lot happened. Look at
the Phillips experiment, that took again a

1176
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:09,760
long time to get any results whatsoever. What was going on? It raises

1177
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:15,239
more questions than it does answers.
But it's fascinating look into those cases,

1178
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:21,600
and if you are really super super
serious, you'll start realizing maybe you don't

1179
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:29,520
need to spend the money on the
equipment. Maybe it's something beyond something that

1180
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:36,680
can be recorded absolutely pause, computer
crashed through that. I wonder where he

1181
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:44,039
had gone? Is it a been
a quiet So we have actually come to

1182
01:45:44,039 --> 01:45:45,319
the end of the show because I
don't think there's anything more we can add

1183
01:45:45,359 --> 01:45:48,760
to that. Well, we're not
going to sit a random wait for both

1184
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,680
to say goodbye, are we No, we're not, so we are going

1185
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:59,399
to say goodbye. I'm sure he
will be back with us very soon and

1186
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:03,319
join us for the next paranormal concept
show. Take care, everybody, Thank

1187
01:46:03,319 --> 01:46:06,359
you for joining us, Thank you
for joining us. Jemma, You're welcome.

1188
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:11,039
Thanks for having me. Good Night
for people, good night,