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So 9 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:49.000 today we're talking about a hoya that we were lucky enough to be sent cuttings 10 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:52.200 of by a listener last year. That's right, when we were discussing hoya 11 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:56.119 clots to fila back in episode one fourteen. You asked if I would give 12 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:00.240 you a cutting of my treasured, precious plant, and I smartly reply that 13 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.640 maybe I would trade you for another one of my wishless toya's, like Paulynura, 14 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.359 because that was a plant that I had my eye out for, but 15 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:11.359 it was always quite expensive even to just order a single note cutting at the 16 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.400 time, yeah, and we got multiple incredibly kind offers for poly neuras starts. 17 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.519 Yeah, thank you, Yeah, thanks again to everyone who reached out. 18 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.359 We were floored and that does remind me that maybe we should try something 19 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:27.239 like that again. Matthew, I will only finish this episode if you trade 20 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:33.480 me a mature Nepenthes edwards on a red form or an aunt fern. Okay, 21 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:38.359 Matthew, now we wait. That just seems irresponsible and greedy of us, 22 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:45.200 seems okay. So we've talked about my skepticism of commercial grow lights and 23 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:49.159 how I've come around now that I've seen what my super sleek and handsome Aspect 24 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.439 pendant light can do for my plants. But what about you, Stephen, 25 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.480 How do you like your Solfax Solutions plant light now that you've had it for 26 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.280 a few weeks. Well, I'll admit that I wondered about their power at 27 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.640 first two, but I went ahead and tried one of my largest succulent shrubs 28 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.599 of Kleinia narrow folia if you're curious, under my soul Tech aspect light, 29 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:12.159 and it's thriving. 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It's also a former 46 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:23.120 it plant or was it or is it still We'll try to get to the 47 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:27.199 bottom of that today. Oh, I think it definitely still is, and 48 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.840 a search on Etsy or eBay for these will probably conform that to most people. 49 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:36.400 But Hoya pollnura, or the fish tail hoya or the mermaid taillhoya is 50 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:40.319 a really beautiful and popular species of wax plant from barely high elevations of Southeast 51 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:45.599 Asia from the Himalayas to northwest Unon, and the appeal of this plant comes 52 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:50.759 from the glossy green, oval shaped leaves with long tapering tips paired along pendant 53 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:55.039 stems, which is enhanced by delicate fine venation that really makes these look quite 54 00:03:55.039 --> 00:04:00.479 a lot like fish or mermaid tails, naturally inspiring their common name. Yeah, 55 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.680 so I'll admit that I didn't see that at first. I heard the 56 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:06.199 name and then was looking at single leaves, and I thought the name was 57 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.520 kind of random, since there are other hoyas with vaning like this. Yeah, 58 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.840 okay, But for anyone else who doesn't really see that, I think 59 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.319 it's the two leaves together that make the fish tail effect. Oh for sure. 60 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:19.120 Yeah, yeah, maybe I'm the only one who was lost. Certainly 61 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:24.240 possible, but just in case you needed to know, Yeah, I think 62 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.680 it was pretty clear. And I feel like the venation on this is particularly 63 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.439 interesting and unique for this plant, and I first saw photos of it on 64 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:34.920 Instagram and Pinterest and I found it very appealing. But I was then actually 65 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.839 really surprised the first time that I saw a photo that showed someone holding a 66 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:43.560 potted plant. This might be the thing that was lost on me. But 67 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.480 with that reference for scale, it turned out to be a much larger plant 68 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:51.959 overall than I had imagined initially. The individual leaves on mine are almost four 69 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:56.680 inches long, and the span between the tips of each tail is about seven 70 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.160 inches, so it's kind of a hefty plant. Okay, that's interesting. 71 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.680 I think I imagine these as being larger, even like I was somehow thinking 72 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:08.560 a more obivada kind of scale or something. Oh okay, Yeah, it's 73 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.959 proved to be a pretty fast growing and easygoing plant in my care, and 74 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.519 so far I'm quite impressed. So I guess let's start with what are the 75 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:20.279 ideal recommended growing conditions that were likely to come across researching these plants online, 76 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:27.720 right, what are the recommended growing conditions? Indeed, going into this, 77 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.040 I assume Matthew and I were growing this one the same way, but we 78 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:34.680 actually weren't. And then our research didn't help settle that question super well either. 79 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:39.680 Yeah, and while we weren't doing anything wildly different, Yeah, our 80 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:45.199 approaches were different enough that for some plants it would have certainly led to issues 81 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.120 for one or both of us. But we were at least both within the 82 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:54.600 boundaries that are pretty widely prescribed by the fairly differing online care recommendations that we 83 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:59.000 saw. So, Stephen, just because this is usually the biggest concern right 84 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:02.000 away, what's stuck with you when it came to their preferred light levels? 85 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:08.480 So I found people saying bright indirect but you said you found something different, 86 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.000 right, I was surprised. Well, I mean, I did see that 87 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:15.839 same recommendation that you did, and specifically on one end people were saying like 88 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.040 west windows or slightly sheltered south ones. But what I feel like I some 89 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:26.319 more often was that pollinia does not want strong light and it burns easily with 90 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:30.000 hot direct sun. So east or even north windows were recommended in more of 91 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:35.399 the sources that I read, and obviously not all windows of similar orientation are 92 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:42.639 equal for people all over the world, but seeing how different resources recommended literally 93 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:46.519 all of the windows, I kind of took that to me that this hoya 94 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.879 is fairly flexible and it probably tolerates low light well while preferring to not have 95 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.879 that full direct sun occur, especially in the hottest seasons or parts of the 96 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.360 day. Okay, I guess that's reasonable. I wonder things like, you 97 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.199 know, maybe newer plant parents are putting this under super high light, you 98 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.759 know, without acclamation, or maybe there's things like that going on. But 99 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:12.399 that's interesting to hear. So I saw the typical range of Hoya soils for 100 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.519 this one too that we've covered on the show before. You can check out 101 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.240 a Hoya Soil episode if you want to deeper dive there. Yeah. In 102 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.639 fact, I actually potted mind an exact mix that I mentioned in episode one 103 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:25.079 twenty eighth that you're referencing. But these are going to be finding commercial potting 104 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:29.600 soils too. Yeah. Doug Chamberlain of Vermont Hoya's was growing a huge one 105 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.279 in what I understood to be soil from the nursery pot so to me, 106 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:38.000 that means this one isn't likely super picky. Yeah, Basically, it's recommended 107 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.959 to at least use a well draining mix like you just for just about any 108 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.680 foliage plant. Yeah, but it's commonly mentioned that you can improve the drainage 109 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.920 of a commercial potting soil with per light, so standard sort of foliage plant 110 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:53.319 care recommendations exactly. And I heard that you should let this one try out, 111 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.639 like a hoya obivoda for example. But you kind of read different things 112 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.160 there too, right, Matthew. Yeah, And that's the biggest difference in 113 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.000 what we took away from the general online care guides that we read. I 114 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.160 consistently read that these are less tolerant of hard drawing for long periods and other 115 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.680 hoyas because of their thinner, more tender foliage compared to the thicker, hard 116 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.879 leathery or waxy leaves of you know, like you said, obovada or pocaclota, 117 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.759 even hoya carnosa. But they still want to drive partially at least between 118 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:28.959 waterings. And it was regularly noted that they're sensitive to overwatering. So you 119 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:33.320 know, again standard hoya care, standard foliage plant care. I would imagine 120 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.080 that the amount of drawing that you provide, and the happiness of your plant 121 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.600 is probably most tied to your substrate choice, pop material and growing conditions. 122 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.240 Again, like we discussed an episode one twenty eight where we were talking about 123 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.759 the whole soil equation idea where you want to consider specific factors unique to your 124 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.480 plant, your growing conditions, and your care routine when making choices about the 125 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.799 pop material and the substrate that you choose. But I think altogether this seems 126 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.799 like a pretty flexible plant when it comes to watering. I feel like the 127 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.879 consensus idea is that they don't like to stay wet and saturated, but also 128 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:09.440 shouldn't be fully dry for long periods in any events. Okay, So Stephen, 129 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.279 what has your approach been for this plant and how successful do you feel 130 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.519 like it's been? Okay, So I would say I received this cutting from 131 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.799 that very cool listener and front of the show when I was already well into 132 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:26.279 my stride. Hoyo wise, if I may be so bold, So I 133 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.279 gave it what is now my standard treatment, which you know, I guess 134 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.240 that's like I'm trying to say easy. I don't. Yeah, it went 135 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:35.600 into a little cup of water and into a prop box. So part of 136 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.360 the cutting was in water, and it's in that high humidity environment like in 137 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.559 the closed prop box. This has worked for nearly every cutting I've received at 138 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.639 this point, so I felt confident about that and it worked in this case 139 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.000 too. Yeah, and those cuttings then had tons of roots growing out of 140 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.320 all portions of the stem pretty much. I shared a photo of my cutting 141 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.360 on Instagram when you got it to me, and it's a pretty root porn 142 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.000 moment. Oh wait, I forgot about that actually till just now. I 143 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:03.200 think I brooded yours too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and 144 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:09.320 then you just gave me like a remember that now. Okay. So when 145 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.279 it had that four inches of new root growth, which is kind of the 146 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.720 guidance for when you can remove it from the prop box, I put the 147 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.960 cutting into the standard ish soil mix that we mentioned earlier, had a bit 148 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:24.039 more sphagnum moss on the top around the new roots. My thought there is 149 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:28.559 that that could ease their acclamation to the less humid home environment, like if 150 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:33.279 they had that bit of moist sphagnum there. So then I kept it at 151 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.120 the side of a grown light for a while, so not on the highest 152 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.600 light, but to make sure that the light was consistent. I didn't want 153 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.360 any hiccups while it adjusted to its new pot and got established, And I 154 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.360 kept it there until I probably had five new sets of leaves, so that 155 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.000 was, you know, kind of a lot of growth. I think I 156 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.919 was going from two to five, and they grow in pairs, which is 157 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.279 kind of unique. Then I moved it to a macromayhanger in my window where 158 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:58.759 it now sits. Okay, as far as watering, I had mine in 159 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:03.120 almost the same condition as my obivada and Pubiclix just for reference. Oh okay, 160 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:07.159 Yeah, like under the same lights and the same watering schedule. So 161 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:11.039 the pot largely dried out, I would say, but I'm thinking about it, 162 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.440 perhaps not completely, just because the plant was smaller at that point. 163 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.200 So maybe we're kind of agreeing and I just didn't realize right well. And 164 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.159 that actually makes me think that you're probably keeping your obovada more evenly water than 165 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.159 I am. Okay, And that makes sense with what you were saying about 166 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:31.480 how you were treating polynera similar to obavada in that regard. I let my 167 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:35.279 obovada actually dry pretty hard and stay that way for quite a while. Pretty 168 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.919 okay, which I've done to my Obovada too and it's been fine, So 169 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.320 okay, yeah, yeah, either way, Okay, growth speed for polyura 170 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:48.399 feels relatively fast for Ahoya to me. I saw Pa Duncle's form and fall 171 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.480 off, but I wasn't super bothered by that. Again, this isn't one 172 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.960 that we're growing for flowers, and I'd rather have mine fill out a bit 173 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.600 more actually. Anyway, overall, it's felt pretty straightforward, resilient, pretty 174 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:03.720 darny, and especially if you have some hoy experience already. Yea, So 175 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.600 how different was your approach and what did you find, Matthew? Again, 176 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.799 I thought we were doing kind of the same thing, so I'm looking forward 177 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.240 to some surprises here. I mean, it might be even less earth shatteringly 178 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:20.279 different than you were imagining at first. But we did both approach it a 179 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.159 little bit differently. I think that the way that the roots had grown out 180 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:28.080 of the whole stem presented a little challenge when I was considering how to pot 181 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.440 it up, and I decided to plant the cutting at a shallow angle in 182 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.600 that go to Hoya substrate that I talked about, so that the majority of 183 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.279 roots were in the mix with the first leaves buried a little bit, and 184 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.799 then the stem was sort of laying across the substrate because I really wanted all 185 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.200 those roots to establish as best as they could. And then the cutting itself 186 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.120 actually established pretty rapidly, and it almost immediately began resuming growth. It was 187 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.879 kind of under some medium intensity grow lights on my dining room table, next 188 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:58.720 to a staglant fern. There were a couple of other small hoy as, 189 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.799 a couple lower light succulents, and stefani a kwisaki. I just for kind 190 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.639 of reference, and I kept the substrate fairly moist. In the first couple 191 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.759 of weeks. I barely let the surface dry, hoping that this would help 192 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:16.600 it acclimate to the potting substrate, and just kind of established itself. So 193 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.840 and that mixes pretty fluffy airy. There's a lot of moisture retention, but 194 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.399 it is really well draining, so I wasn't worried about route rot, even 195 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.320 knowing that I was keeping it a little bit more moist than I was going 196 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.360 to eventually. But anyway, it actually grew pretty rapidly, just like you 197 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:37.120 noticed, and I feel like this is a pretty fast growing species among hoias. 198 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.559 It put out five sets of leaves pretty quickly, So now my plant 199 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:45.799 has a single foot long vine with seven sets of leaves total, and the 200 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.440 color is really deep green, like you noticed, peduncles form at almost every 201 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.039 new leaf set, but then the yellow and drop off eventually. And I 202 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.919 am also not bothered about it, because I'm growing it for the appearance of 203 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.879 the foliage and I just want to let it fill an immature just like you. 204 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.519 So we're actually pretty aligned there. Now. I feel like someday it 205 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.840 might bloom, and I'm sure that I'll be excited about that if it happens, 206 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.039 but I'm not really going to put in any effort to make that occur, 207 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.120 just beyond the effort that I was already going to put into keeping this 208 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.360 plant happy and well grown. Yeah, for the last couple of months, 209 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:24.279 it's actually been growing on my desk right next to my Clistophila my Etherium clarinrvum. 210 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.720 It's a few feet into a room right in front of a south window, 211 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.519 so it does get some direct sunlight, but it's fairly gentle and it 212 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.840 gets a ton of ambient light throughout the day, both natural as well as 213 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.840 supplemented. Because this is the room with the majority of my grow lights. 214 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.240 And then I've been playing around with the watering frequency more recently, as the 215 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:46.399 plant is now fully established and actively growing, I wanted to see how dry 216 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.559 it could tolerate. And the most recent two leaves grew in a little distorted 217 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.919 compared to the ones that grew in with more fairly even moisture, and I'm 218 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.639 tempted to attribute that to letting it nearly dry a few times rather than watering 219 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:03.240 it as the surface of the substrate is dried. And my goal now is 220 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.759 to just let it, you know, kind of dry an inch or so 221 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.679 into the medium, kind of like standard foliage plant care, and in water 222 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:15.279 pretty faithfully, which is actually pretty unlike how I treat most of my other 223 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:18.799 toys, because many of them are fine with fairly long periods of being pretty 224 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:24.320 dry. And then lastly, I've also been better about fertilizing my plants so 225 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.279 far this year compared to how I normally am. And this one has some 226 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:33.480 slow released organic fertilizer in the substrate, but I'm also using a water soluble 227 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.440 all purpose fertilizer about what's a month for it, because this plant seems inclined 228 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:39.919 towards rapid growth, and I really want to support that. Okay, so 229 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:46.080 what about the challenges. Honestly, there haven't been any really for me yet. 230 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.720 Maybe I would feel differently if flowering was a priority, like we were 231 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.639 saying, But this has been one of my easiest toy experiences so far. 232 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:58.879 Yeah. I haven't really had any actual problems. But I was a little 233 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:02.519 worried at first, as the leaves of the cutting when you got it to 234 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.759 me were kind of a bright yellow green with deep green veins. So I 235 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:10.320 wasn't sure if there was some sort of clorosis going on that would resolve once 236 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:14.320 the cutting established and took up some nutrients, or if those leaves were actually 237 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:18.120 just yellowing because they were going to drop off. However, it turned out 238 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:19.840 to be fine, and they greened up barely quickly once they were growing roots 239 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.720 into the substrate. Yeah. I noticed that at first too. I almost 240 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:27.519 forgot about that. Yeah, it was really insignificant. Since then, though, 241 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:33.080 I've also noticed that similarly, in new leaves, they look a little 242 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.759 off color sometimes, and there might be some kind of yellowish spots that look 243 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:42.519 concerning, But as the leaves mature, the color evens out and the foliage 244 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.799 has always looked fine for me by the time that it's hardened off, right, 245 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:49.279 So I went over to check mine for this just today to see if 246 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.320 it was going to be like a struggle I would want to cover in this 247 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.559 episode. Mine all seem fine. Now. It does take oddly long for 248 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:00.639 them to color up and fill out, like your say, so I was 249 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.079 worried for a bit there too. How sure are you that those new leaves 250 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.119 that you had form aren't just in that stage right now, because they're actually 251 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:12.279 like fully hard, they're the same leathery texture as the previous leaves, and 252 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:17.640 there is another set of two new leaves coming out, So okay, because 253 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.400 you know, I still feel like I had some that were kind of warped 254 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:23.599 when newer leaves were coming out, but they look fine now. So I 255 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:27.319 don't know what We'll post pictures on our show notes of our two plants grown, 256 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.599 you know, in largely similar conditions. Yeah, and you know, 257 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:33.759 you know, compare notes like you may be right, I don't know. 258 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.440 I just think that it's just like a little quirk of the plant that now 259 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.359 that we've kind of learned it, it's not concerning. Now some of this 260 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:47.559 might also be because the leaves sometimes have little silvery splashes on the foliage. 261 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.119 Yeah, and some plants have a higher density of this than mine, of 262 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.240 course, And I wasn't really sure what to think of the new leaves as 263 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.400 they were growing, and like we've said, so, I just wanted to 264 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:03.200 mention the silvery splashes the yellow leaves kind of like this kind of characteristic of 265 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:08.559 the plant, because I just want to help any hypochondriac plant parents who might 266 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:12.640 be out there looking at their their new pollenura in order to help calm your 267 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:17.079 nerves a little as you watch this new growth emerge. It's, yeah, 268 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.759 just what the plant does. Now. The foliage does even seem fairly variable 269 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:26.279 depending on growing conditions, because our plants are clones of the same mother plant, 270 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.720 and you know, we've only seen like over video camera and like send 271 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.839 each other photos of the plants. But it seems that mine is a much 272 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:40.279 deeper green with glossier foliage than yours, and your plant, on the other 273 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:44.119 hand, has kind of a brighter yellow green leaf with more pronounced deep green 274 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.359 veining. Perhaps it's just the difference in our light levels, Maybe it's the 275 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:51.319 frequency of our watering, Maybe it's the frequency of our fertilization. But yeah, 276 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:57.319 okay, I mean I think ours look the same, so yeah, 277 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:00.720 but maybe maybe you're right. We'll see when we post those photos on Instagram. 278 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.200 Yeah, I wasn't comparing too closely. I was just kind of like, 279 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.119 okay, yeah, all right. Now. As far as like pest 280 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.880 challenges, mine has had mealy bugs show up on it. It's a hoya, 281 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.359 and that's also the pest that I always have somewhere through some extent, 282 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.279 but it's never been a big deal. I just sprayed the plant off in 283 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.160 the sinc to remove them, and then I treated with an insect to settle. 284 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.880 So spray when I noticed one of those flare ups. Also, like 285 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:29.200 you said, they seem to form and drop ped uncles prematurely and pretty freely, 286 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.759 so don't get excited when you see them or stress when they fall off. 287 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.880 This is a much more handsome plant than Hoya bella, which is the 288 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:41.079 only other hoya that I've ever had that does this so aggressively. And I 289 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.279 don't take it nearly as personally when it happens on the hoya pollen era because 290 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.960 it's a pretty play yea, Yeah, your favorite punching bag boy Bella, 291 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:52.440 Oh, I let that one die? Good, Ryan, did you? 292 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.839 I did? Yeah? Bye, I'm about to repot mine. But that 293 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.400 was that was my og hoya. Okay, So yeah, all right? 294 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.759 Have we enjoyed this plant? Would we replace it if it died? I 295 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:08.119 would? But if I did, I feel like I might get a bigger 296 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:12.640 one to get more of the like full foliage hooya effects. Sooner. I 297 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:17.440 hope you're starting to like save up a budget for that. And it's also 298 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:22.119 really funny to hear you say because you wanting a full, bushy, trailing 299 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.319 foliage plant. But I will clarify and say that I want more fullness, 300 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.839 but I don't like need an all out bushiness like I've seen in some of 301 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:36.359 the big plants online, like why have foliage hiding other foliage and other questions 302 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:40.359 I ask myself about bushiness. But you know, it's more like I want 303 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:42.920 at least a few vines with nice leaves, you know, just somewhere clear 304 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:48.039 my reputation to maintain. Oh sure, I understand. And this actually is 305 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.200 a plant that I think looks really pretty if it's a little bit scant because 306 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.079 the foliage is so attractive. Yeah, exactly, like a few vines really 307 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.680 showcases it nicely. But I think that this is going to be an ideal 308 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.279 candidate for pruning. If you have a couple of long vines, to strim 309 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.960 this back periodically and then cut them into single nodes, and then you can 310 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:11.680 just tuck them into the substrate around the mother plant to root in as new 311 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.240 plants. You can also just propagate them and then put them in their own 312 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.440 pot on their own. Yeah. But with the ease and speed of rooting 313 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.319 for polyN Eira, as well as its speed of growth overall, that seems 314 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.079 to be a common approach for these, and it seems like one that would 315 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.799 really pay off quite well. So I'm just waiting for mine teet a little 316 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.920 bit bigger before I do this myself. I would like to see if it 317 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.799 starts to put out some side growth on its own at some point, since 318 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:37.839 many of my hoyas tend to put out new shoots from the base or at 319 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.960 nodes by the time that they've grown up a little bit, and mine's not 320 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.319 quite there. Yeah, I'm open to see some side growth too, like 321 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:48.079 a new vine. Yeah. Now, it is really nice when a plant 322 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.519 just roots easily when you stick in cutting into soil and with the fairly frequent 323 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:55.279 watering that I aim for with Polynira, I think that would be a pretty 324 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.680 reliable method. And like I said, I've seen a lot of people recommend 325 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:02.920 this, so yeah, now I would certainly replace mine if it died. 326 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.039 I might even replace my Bella just to given another chance, even though I 327 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:11.319 hate that one. That was fast. Yeah, who knows, but I 328 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.960 am really looking forward to growing the pown Era up further. It's really striking 329 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:19.200 and it's one of those hoyas that really stands out in my collection. I 330 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:25.400 love all of my hoyas equally, but that's not true, but I can't 331 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:30.599 say that all of them really look that different. So I particularly appreciate the 332 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:34.359 ones that are so unique and interesting on their own, even without flowers, 333 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:41.519 that they're special plants just looking at them anyway. This one has also been 334 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.519 really easy to grow, so it's really fulfilling. Yeah. Also, I 335 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.359 wanted to throw in maybe one of its best unsung traits is that it doesn't 336 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:55.519 form long bare vines. Oh yeah, without leaves that like dangle and wander 337 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:59.200 for months before filling out if they feel like it. I've not noticed any 338 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:02.480 plants and photos doing that's really good point. Yeah, at least, like 339 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.440 I've never seen that either. Mine hasn't done that. New growth always seems 340 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:10.039 to come with a neat matching, you know, new pair of leaves. 341 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:12.440 My Piebkalics, on the other hand, has had some of like some of 342 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:17.720 its naked vines now for years. I'm serious and yeah, and yes, 343 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:22.079 like it's growing, it's consistently flowering. Otherwise I feel like it has everything 344 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.200 it needs. So yeah, I hadn't really thought about that. But we've 345 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.119 mentioned in other episodes Hoya's growth habit is a little bit weird because they grow 346 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.720 those long shoots and then eventually leaves show up, whereas a lot of the 347 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.559 vinding plants that I grow, I expect to produce leaves as the vine emerges, 348 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.000 and these for me, it's like it puts out one node and two 349 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:45.839 leaves, then it puts out another node and then two more leaves. Yeah, 350 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:49.079 yeah, okay, okay. Any final thoughts for plant parents interested in 351 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:52.880 giving us a try, well, Like we said before, be thoughtful about 352 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.319 the care advice that you read. There's a lot of slightly differing approaches suggested 353 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:02.319 that aren't always in agreement with another so just don't be afraid to try different 354 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.359 things if you're not seeing the results that you want. That's right, you 355 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:08.559 could follow one of the care advices that we gave today, right exactly, 356 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.160 we're helping. I mean, for instance, I personally like the hoya substrate 357 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:15.720 that I have mine in because it's airy and it's well draining. It's also 358 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:22.079 moisture retaining, and the pollinia is growing in a fairly warm environment with moderate 359 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:25.759 humidity, so I keep it fairly moist most of the time and that's been 360 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:27.839 great for me. But Steven Gross is on the dryer side and his plant 361 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:32.559 is also helping happy. But I think yours has one fewer pair of leaves 362 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.640 than mine. But it's not a competition, right, well, I didn't 363 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:40.759 think it was. I would be winning, though. I think I gave 364 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.960 you the bigger one. Okay, thank you, all right. I would 365 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.440 also say, don't be afraid of a small cutting with this one. Yeah, 366 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:52.559 don't be afraid to order one of those online, or you know, 367 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.279 be less afraid than with some other hoyas. At least this one has a 368 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.920 reputation for shipping. Well, that was certainly our experience. Mine arrived, 369 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.400 you know in great condition. Yeah, and they grew fast, so I'm 370 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:08.480 always afraid to order small cuttings like this. In fact, synapsis jade satin 371 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:12.200 cutting that I ordered a real long time ago. I think it was over 372 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:18.039 a year ago. It is just now establishing in potting soil. It's growing 373 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:22.400 its fourth new leaf, but only the second decent looking one. This way 374 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.359 is not going to leave you waiting nearly so long for a rewardingly happy plant, 375 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.920 I expect. Yeah, Okay, we've said this already, you know, 376 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.240 directly indirectly, but I think it's good to think of this one as 377 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.599 a foliage hoya. The flowers are great, of course, but they're less 378 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.839 remarkable than many other hoyas, and they seem more difficult to get to bloom 379 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.839 and then even see and enjoy because they're kind of tucked, you know, 380 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.799 very close to the foliage. Yeah. I've seen plenty of photos of plants 381 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.680 that have like tons of flowers on them, but I expect that this is 382 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.920 probably just a species that needs to mature into a fairly large plant before it's 383 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:02.160 going to be a reliable bloomer for you. And it's also probably going to 384 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:06.200 want more lights to bloom well. Than it needs to just be a super 385 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.640 handsome house plant. And from what I've seen, it also looks like the 386 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:14.599 flowers are held in tight little clusters directly underneath the leaves, and with the 387 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:18.039 leaves being so large, I would expect that if you have a plant in 388 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.920 full bloom that you're viewing from eye level, you might not even notice that 389 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.559 the flowers are there. So maybe it's better and a hanging planter above a 390 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.519 chair that you sit in so that you can look up into the foliage to 391 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:34.640 appreciate those flowers. Yeah, so don't let this be one of those plants 392 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.599 that you feel like you can grow but you can't quite master since you can't 393 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.200 get it to flower or something. You know, I think we have plant 394 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:47.359 feelings like this. There are just better hoya choices for that kind of you 395 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:51.279 know, secret guilt. Yeah, much more rewarding flowers. But for what 396 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.920 it's worth, these ones are kind of a yellow green to salmon, and 397 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.559 they have a red center. Allegedly there's a light sweet spicy scent, So 398 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:07.000 like it's exciting if they happen. Okay, is it easier to find now? 399 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.640 Well? In my quick searches, small cuttings were available online for about 400 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.799 twenty five dollars US rooted, but larger plants were still pretty expensive. Yeah, 401 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.799 I'm actually surprised since this one seems to grow so quickly. Yeah. 402 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.319 Now the price has come down quite a bit in recent months. And I 403 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:29.720 remember seeing tiny single note cuttings like the ones you're mentioning selling for like sixty 404 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.480 dollars or more in years past, and wondering if that was as good a 405 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.000 deal as I could expect for the time being. Okay, so I guess 406 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.359 the question is, since twenty five dollars for a tiny plant is pretty well 407 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.119 into splurge territory for many of us, is it worth the splurge? I 408 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.559 would say yes. I would also say twenty five dollars is fairly a good 409 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.599 deal, so you might be paying more than that, Okay, considerably more 410 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.160 than that for a slightly larger plan. Okay, So all right, maybe 411 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.000 I saw some deals then. But like we said with Hoya Clistophila, this 412 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.000 one is a fast, easy grower, and I think we both agree that 413 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.720 it lives up to the pictures if you like what you see online. Of 414 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.400 course, if you've listened to the show before, you know that there aren't 415 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.799 many plants that deserve to be the quote it plants to us, but this 416 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.920 one does. Yeah, and I'm glad that you feel that way about polyN 417 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:22.960 Eira. It's not terribly common that a wishless plant of mine really exceeds my 418 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.519 expectations, especially if it's a fairly pricey one that I kind of hope for 419 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.960 more to come out of. But boy, Paul and Eira is one that 420 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.400 really makes that list for both of us. And I do think that it's 421 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.720 funny though this is still kind of a statusy it plant, because I think 422 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:42.359 it was. Doug Chamberlain mentioned that he bought a big basket of his first 423 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:47.519 toy at Paulyn Eira real cheap at a big box store, and he was 424 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.839 struggling with his, like he had some struggles with that plant initially, But 425 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.079 people bought these for like fifteen dollars and six inch baskets at home depot in 426 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:02.400 twenty ten. So crazy to think, Yeah, maybe it'll end up being 427 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.920 a mass produced plant again in the future. Yeah, and like any good 428 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.440 fat plant, I've seen the status cultivar or two. Matthew looked into those 429 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.519 for us. Yeah, so the standard green one is the one that we're 430 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.599 growing, and it's the easiest and least expensive to find. But there are 431 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.079 a few varieties that you're likely to see, especially if you're searching on Etsy 432 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.880 or eBay, and brojet is probably the one that you're going to hear about 433 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.759 the most. Yeah, brojet is the one that I saw most in my 434 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:34.559 searches, and it's just kind of not for me. And yes, that 435 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.160 is delight in my voice that you're detecting, because whenever I see a prestige, 436 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.400 you know, plant of any kind that I don't want part of me 437 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.720 rejoices that I won't be tempted by it, Like it is remarkable looking. 438 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.880 I will be impressed if I received in person. I'm just not tempted. 439 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:53.640 Knock on wood. Yeah, Now, I actually don't know if these are 440 00:29:53.680 --> 00:30:00.240 truly like recognized registered cultivars necessarily or just trade names that are you for plants 441 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:06.640 with varying degrees of variation but with sort of blurred lines that define them. 442 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.799 And some of it could also just be the growing conditions that kind of allow 443 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:18.000 these visual attributes to be most pronounced. But brojet is apparently just the Danish 444 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.400 word for barrigating, and so these pollen Eura tend to just have really heavy 445 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.160 amounts of the silvery splashes that make some other hoyas also so coveted. The 446 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:33.759 foliage on these has a more textural appearance because like the mid vein portion seems 447 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.680 to be a lighter green, the veining seems more pronounced on these plants. 448 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.480 And then you'll also see some that are just called splash, which seems to 449 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:47.400 be similar to brojet, and sometimes they're called Brojet splash, except that there's 450 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:52.839 even less density to the silver splashing, while on the other extreme silver looks 451 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.279 like the majority of the leaf surface is uniformly covered with that splashing to kind 452 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:02.599 of give you a minty green color to the foliage. Right, I actually 453 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.720 really like that one. I think it's super beautiful, but it is far 454 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:10.720 far more expensive than the others that we've seen. Yeah, it's also sometimes 455 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.119 called Soper Brojet. But then you found a version with very good to leaf 456 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.240 margins, and those were the most expensive at all, selling for absolutely ridiculous 457 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.880 amounts of money. Yeah, and I actually kind of liked those. I'm 458 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:29.319 not a variegated fan so often, but the mix of white margins and the 459 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.559 veining and the texture they were kind of cool together like that. So maybe 460 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.359 I'll get a twenty dollars cutting when it comes down to that price, like 461 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.200 in twenty thirty or something. Yeah, we'll see, because I feel like 462 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.920 we sell one on Etsy that was selling for fifteen hundred. Yeah, it 463 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:51.960 will be a little while. Okay, historical botanical cultural information about these don't 464 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.279 look at me, you know what. There is not much that I have 465 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.160 to say here, and I think that I just really maxed out the section 466 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.920 last week when we were discussing Mowichia, and we've already said that Hoya pollonier 467 00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.079 is from the Himalayas and eunon. I couldn't really find anything about when it 468 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.319 was scientifically described or when it entered into cultivation, but it's at least as 469 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.960 early as twenty ten, because that's when some people commented on buying. There's 470 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:20.079 from like the angel plants at home Depot, right when it was first discovered 471 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.359 at Lows or whatever, right like this plat was identified at Lows. But 472 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:29.799 one aside just about the fact that they come from higher elevations in the Himalayas, 473 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:34.119 that didn't really factor into the care that we've noticed and the care that 474 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.440 you know we're recommending is that they might appreciate cooler temperatures, especially at night. 475 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.640 But for most house points and standard home conditions, that's sort of a 476 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:44.440 moot point. And this one is growing really well for me in the same 477 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:49.319 room as the heat loving pope and clota that blooms constantly like four feet away. 478 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.680 Okay, yeah, And you know, depending where you live, these 479 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:57.519 things could be so different. Right here, our nights get cool, and 480 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.960 you know that's a blessing in many cases, it also be a reason why 481 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.319 you might have your plant struggling to bloom if it is constantly growing above sixty 482 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.200 five degrees all the time. So I think that the only cultural piece that 483 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:15.279 really resonates with me is that I'm honestly a little surprised it's far more commonly 484 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.839 known as the fish tale hooya than it is as the mermaid tale Hooya. 485 00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.039 Like, I don't know, it just seems like that is a more trendy 486 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.160 and sexy name to me. Somehow, I tend to call mine a mermaid 487 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.440 talhoya. But The Little Mermaid was also my favorite movie when I was a 488 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:36.160 really little kid, So it just seems like for such a trendy, cryptid 489 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.559 a folklore and such a trendy plant that those names should go far more hand 490 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.559 in hand than what I've noticed. It just seems like better marketing. Yeah, 491 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:51.119 that is interesting. I don't know if I ever heard mermaid tale hoya 492 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.279 before you mentioned it today, but yeah, with fish tale, like I'm 493 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.559 kind of seeing like dead fish, I kind of smell them right, So 494 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.200 I would definitely pick mermaid till too. Yeah, I just think it's a 495 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.599 far more romantic and appealing name. Okay. 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