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Podcast. Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on,
Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread the word about the pirate
ship. The Pirate Toothless Eddia will be airing tomorrow, and I gotta tell
you, I was worried about this episode that's gonna come out. Mark,
I'm ever gonna listen to me? What do you mean? Are you ever
gonna listen to me? What does that mean? These guests do you like
to get on? Well, the guests actually those are the ones, and
I know it's on the numbers are fucking enormous, Like they're so big.
We did one today. Just I'll just just to give you an example,
like five thousand view. It's like it's it's crazy. I don't know,
I don't get it. You know, maybe got something. It's like,
yeah, like watching carry accident, anyone is like this is brings in his
girlfriend and he'll see you to morrow. Are we going to be able to
understand it. I think so. I think he can. I'm not sure.
We'll have to go back through and and see. I taped it on
Saturday just out of uh curiosity, because I was a little nervous about how
this was going to actually go, you know and all that stuff. But
Laura brought her significant other, Joe in today. Oh boy, yeah,
well I I you're it was nice for you to come in. I was
brave of you to come in. Yeah. I was asking her questions before
I got here. So here we are. What do you mean questions like
what I said? What's gonna happen? Am I going to get set up
tonight? No, I'm just gonna ming You're just gonna mingle and there'll be
there, There'll be no there'll be no no worries at all. You're you're
doing some school now, right? Yeah? I am all right? So
what is being said about what happened over the weekend? Nothing? You're kidding?
Nothing? Really? It was not mentioned once. Yeah, I mean,
because I don't forget these are special had kids. Okay, all right,
so that's different fit. But I mean, how about with like teachers?
Just in an off conversation among adults, anything, nothing really right,
Yeah, that's weird to me because I'm thinking, like, just from a
historical perspective, I go, this is a weird thing, Like I in
modern times, I can't think of other assassination attempts that have happened, right,
I mean, he had well Reagan, Reagan, Kennedy, and then
after that. I don't think there's been any other assassination attempts for presidents that
I can think of, or any really US political figures that I could come
up with in my head. And I'm going this, I'm trying to figure
out the historical significance of whether or not this is a you know, like
one of these things where you remember where you were when you found out kind
of thing. I already forgot. I was at my niece's graduation party and
he found out. Yeah. Yeah, someone from the table over came over
and was like Trump has been shot. And I immediately was glued to my
phone, right yeah, and I saw it on TMZ like that was the
first thing. Yeah, and I was like, Holy Christ. So like
I didn't know, I wasn't sure, wasn't sure what. Yeah, I
was saying, yeah, nothing was really sad. No did you care.
Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, I thought. I mean, well,
yesterday, so like the chief of police for Fairport, he's a trained
sniper with the SWAT team, and he goes, how does a twenty year
old guy out wit with no training? This kid had no training whatsoever get
a shot off one hundred and fifty or something wrong with this picture? Yeah,
it's like but like what Mark posted on Facebook this morning, I completely
agree with what you said. What did you say? I'm not a Trump
fan, yeah, and I hate when people like for I'll give you an
example, I said, for football, I hate that person and you sit
next to the collapse during an injury. Oh, I'm all with you on
that. Okay, I'm with you on that. That's where that's that's where
that irks me. And I don't like Trump. I'm gonna mote for him.
I don't like him, right, but I can't see being happy that
that he didn't, you know, be in sad. Dude. I'm so
glad he said it because I saw somebody on some social media platform going we
were just an inch away, and I'm going, that's take away the political
stuff. That's somebody's dad at somebody's husband, right, take just the human
side. I don't care what kind of husband. None, none of my
business. None of my business. I totally made that joke to Joe,
but like, god damn it, where did they mess? Yes, but
like, I'm not gonna put it out there and really say that because I
you know, even my most of my family are Republicans. I'm not.
But I said, I was like, I don't condone violence. I'm like,
this is horrific. Like I've been trying to figure out because I've never
been like a Trump either. Right, but I go, there's a couple
of things that this guy does. Like I always we used to laugh over
Trump University failed, right, Trump University became this thing that people were I
guess sued and got their money back or whatever was going on. Right,
But he stood up and did something other politicians never did. When the all
the big manufacturers of cars, we're talking about moving their shops to Mexico,
he said, I'm gonna put a thirty five percent tariff on any car that
is built in Mexico. If it was an American company and you moved it
out to save money, I'm putting a thirty five percent tariff on this.
And nobody's gonna buy your cars. And it was the first time anybody kind
of stood up from the political side to any of these CEOs and think about
these, I mean, the forgotten American like people fucking ate that shit up.
Whether or not he could actually do it, I have no idea what
to fucking what do you call it? Was it China he went to China
or for the first you know, I mean first time, say with that
lunatic and they said together, who else? Krey Kim Kim j Yeah,
I mean you know, I mean, all of a sudden, we were
kind of like in a way in World peace, there was nobody was,
nobody was I'm gonna tell you what my life was. My life was better
when he was president. Somebody else I was with today who owns a business,
uh said to me, they made more money when he was in office,
right, they made more money. I just feel it democrats wise,
I feel the Democrats and I'm independent, I'm not either, but I feel
Democrats want us to fail. That's the way it just makes it just makes
me, you know, like you said, Trump's not a politician. He's
a man who's a business guy who's doing things business ways. I yeah.
I look, I didn't vote for him, and I was not a fan.
But I always figure, you, I really think local government impacts your
life more than the bigger stuff, not that the bigger stuff does well.
I'm not saying that like I get that, but what happened to right in
your town? Those are pretty important elections, right, It's affecting your money,
your you know. So I always go, it's not gonna be that
that bad either way. It's kind of was my thinking. Some people will
get very mad at me for saying that, but I was like, eh,
right, but you're right, we don't count. I mean, we
don't don't We don't even have to really vote. Our votes is not it's
like estate that that's all I'm saying. It's almost like it just doesn't matter.
But you know, and and I do think. Now I go,
how does he lose? He wins, how does he lose? How does
he lose? How does he lose? For the man to get shot and
then say, everybody get down. I was listening to the New York Times
podcast, they said, and they were talking about how Trump just had this
always has this mentality, and he knew like cameras are on me, this
is going to be a photographic moment to like go up and put his fist
bump up, which also leads to Okay, if that guy grazed his ear
from one hundred and fifty yards away, like, was this some type of
setup? Just didn't where If he didn't die, yeah, I would say
this was a total setup. If he didn't die, yeah, if he
wasn't killed, If he wasn't killed, the shooter was killed, right,
The shooter was killed immediately, like within seconds, So a lot of the
shot, Like I've shot those AR fifteens, and so you'll get a lot
of rounds off pretty quickly. It's really hard to miss anybody in the army,
anybody a cook. Everybody is trained on an M four, which is
basically the military version of the AR fifteen. It's pretty much the same platform
of a gun. They're all trained on it from three hundred yards, so
you got to be a pretty bad shot. And there's a sixteen inch drop,
so if you're aiming for somebody's head, you'll probably hit him in the
middle of the back if you're from behind, you know what I mean,
and put it through that. Like the drop on this gun is not that
bad. A lot of some guns are so sensitive it's like way off.
This is like it's a sixteen inch either way. This kid from other headlines
i've read, I haven't read a lot about him. I think it was
kicked off his school rifle team for being such a terrible shot. I guess
wherever this kid was. Yeah, yeah, so they so he wasn't so
he's a bad shot. It's illegally bought AR fifteen. It was his father's
bought in twenty thirteen. How no, I just don't know how he got
up there. But he's a twenty year old kid. To men, I'm
sorry, but to miss from one hundred and fifty yards with this gun is
like if Trump hadn't turned his head to look at the charge at that moment,
that's where whiz by his ear or graced his ear. They even said
that like there were citizens that were calling local cops to report the sniper,
the gunman, and that nothing was done about it. Se that's the thing
that I think raises a lot of conspiracy. But I don't think there's a
conspira. I mean, it is kind of questionable that a twenty year old
he's not military trained he's not police trained, gets up on a roof and
is able to get off a shot within one hundred and fifty yards at a
former president and current president presidential candidate. Is a catastrophic collapse in security,
just is. But I don't know how the fuck that happened. We have
two people who were at the rally that we're going to talk to just to
see kind of how the chaos that went on and just all that stuff.
When you hear that, it is just like there was one video of somebody
near the roof, like I don't know, like I guess it was because
he was shooting from behind it towards from the back of Trump, towards the
crowd, because that's where the fifty one year old guy got killed. Who
would dove in front of his kids. And this one lady is yeah,
I mean, she's just screaming her head off looking for you know, somebody
named so I go, Russ. This sounds like an old school name to
me, So I'm thinking it's her husband. But I have no idea.
I mean, she's just screaming her head off, and I go, I
can't imagine what that would be like in terms of trauma. But yeah,
Trump, Just I don't know if that's like you're adrenaline, Like, who
was you who said the cameras are on him? And he's, well,
yeah, he's used to that. The cameras have been under from years.
He produces TV shows, He's been into the show. And here's the thing
that I always get a little bit irked with. And I'm not again a
Trump fan, but I go the media created Trump. Oh, they've sure
held there now. The media hates Trump. You're absolutely right. And you
know the fact that he jumped back up, and I don't know if that's
adrenaline, if that's I swear to god, I saw the fight fight and
then I thought I saw him say fuck you. Yeah, I swear to
god I did. But maybe I'm just in my own head thinking if that
were me, and it grazed my ear. And then once I'm like cognizant
of I'm okay and no more shots are being fired. I'm filled with rags
that someone tried to Before he became president, he was on the view all
the time, he was on Rosie Donald, he was on Oprah, and
it's like, and ay, I loved him. He was a celebrity.
They got to go to celebrity parties and stuff like that, and they all
turned on him when he went in went into politics because he's a real.
He's a he's a real. That's he's what the politician should be. I
mean, the guy's out of his fucking mind. But thank you. But
Laura not a fan, not Joe fan, not a fan. I'm not
a fan either. I'm not a fan. I'm just saying no, I
I know you're not. I know you're not I know where you usually land
politically, yes I do, but I I think that most people are would
go I don't agree with this, and I don't agree with this, but
you're saving my job, You've got my back, you're gonna protect America.
You're I swear that that's where people are at. I told you. The
ninety eight year old guy from D Day said he was one of the only
presidents to come down off the dais and shake our hand and thank us.
He just I think he's a piece of ship. Yeah. I also I'm
not a big Biden fan. Yeah, I just really wish it was too
completely different candidates. Would you like to see because I don't know, I
mean, I know Gavin Newsom's name. Yes, Obama would be a good
one. Oh, I do love her, but like I don't even think
she wants that. I think they're going to I think that they're going to
say I didn't like the school lunch. She free school lunches are not good,
James, I have to eat him every day. See My My whole
worry with the whole Trump in economy is that you are thinking right now,
what's going to be beneficial to you right now? I'm terrified for the future
with the Supreme Court and what it means for women in the future. And
well, Dad, is the women's not the right thing. I agree with
you, Harry in My whole family is Republican. I that doesn't bother me,
but I just don't like how extreme he is. And I'm really really
terrified for the Supreme Court. Honestly, Okay, I think those are valid.
They're concerns to have. I really, I really do see like you
can't. I'm getting to the point where I can't hate a guy just because
I don't whatever, because I didn't like Celebrity Apprentice, Well that's not it,
but just because like I always you know what it is. Somebody said
to me today, you have to be thirty five to be president. Where's
the younger person? I go, nobody wants the job. But go back
a couple just go back a couple of decades when you were told as a
kid, when you grow up, you can be president. Right, No,
who says that now nore up? You could be an influencer. I
mean, we don't. You know what I'm saying. We don't. We
don't say that anymore. And that and I wonder if, like and then
when you look at Trump, he is not as president dental I'll say yes,
compared to the others. Like when he started the debates and he started
picking on everybody and calling him names like little Rubio and this one in your
small hands and whatever, right right, we all laughed, but we went,
holy shit, you could do that like it was it was it was
like but it was so what we're not used to. There's decorum, and
there's a thing, and it's a gentleman and this is and he came in
and kind of kicked the door open. And I think that most people and
here's and here's what Trump is is he's for the He is for me,
the middle aged guy. That's that's barely making into works, you know what
I mean? It works. He's for me, yea, And he was
as much as I didn't like him, and I didn't vote for him.
I didn't vote the last two votes. My father's was rolling in his grave.
Yeah. Well so, yeah, that's interesting you say that because you're
not the first person to sit in that chair and say the same thing.
I didn't vote one time, But this is where I always go, you
know, when I look at this, and I was thinking a lot about
Trump and I something. It might have been a Michael Moore piece, and
what he was saying in there is these guys who are now sort of disenfranchised,
the displaced middle class American who worked in the factory and the factories are
moving on and kind of in these roust belt cities right Ohio, maybe even
a little bit of Buffalo, that kind of you know, eerie Pennsylvania,
these kind of places right all of a sudden, they don't have anything.
They're not making money, their families have collapsed, their wives have left them,
some of them may be homeless. But they have one thing. They
have one vote. They have one vote, and so does the millionaire.
He has one vote. And that's where they're equal, and this guy it's
like the ultimate fuck you. I've got the guy who's the anti establishment guy
who's going to come in, and that seems to be it. All right.
I didn't mean to start that way because lots of things, well,
only because I think it's the biggest thing going on right now. And I'm
saying in my mind, I go, you remember where you were? You
will remember. I'm not sure how old. I don't know how old you
guys. If you remember the Space Space Shuttle blowing up, that was my
birthday eighth So you do remember I turned old. That was in eighth grade.
You were in eighth grade. I was in tenth grade. How's that
possible? We're the same age? I was in eight I mean I was
nineteen maybe six, I was, Yeah, I was in eighth grade.
What year did you graduate high school? Nineteen ninety? Oh you're you're younger
than me. No, I stayed back here, all right, all right,
so okay, you know eighth grade. I was in tenth grade,
so right around there anyway, Like you remember where you were, right,
I remember where I was when I heard Kobe died. I remember where I
was. It's just certain significant things in the Kurt Cobay nine eleven, nine
to eleven, You remember where you were absolutely? How old were you at
nine eleven? That was twenty four years ago. I was in ninth grade.
Ninth grade, so you were a high school kid. I was okay
then I was a sophomore. But I remember I was at my last I
had come in from pe class and I was at my locker and two of
the guys who had lockers on the other side of me were like, Yo,
did you hear about the plane flying into the twin towers? So then
I went to my next class and it was actually US history, and we
sat there and we just watched. Yeah, did you see the second plane
go in? Or no, you did yep. During that time, I
remember where I was working at Flaherty's at that moment, and I called them
and I was like, are we going to be open tonight? They're like,
yep, come in. I was like, okay, were they Yeah?
It was quiet. No, it was a weird thing, right,
yes, yeah, because I remember his oldest brother was eleven months old,
and I remember him running around and I was home because I was doing afternoons.
Yeah, it was September. He was gonna be his birthdays later in
September. So he's eleven months old almost, and he's running around and I'm
watching on TV. My uncle was a pilot and my cousin's a pilot for
Delta Airlines at the time, so I was sure what airline this was,
and I remember calling my old man and I had watched the I had the
Today Show on. I was doing afternoons in CMF. I had The Today
Show on and I watched the first play. Go a small plane, That's
what they kept saying, A small plane hit the tower. And then so
I flip over to CNN because I go, oh, this sounds weird,
right, And they were going to a commercial break, and I'm watching,
and then all of a sudden, you see the second one circling around and
go right in. And the weird part is I had been in the Twin
Towers often because my aunts worked for ADT on the ninety second floor, so
we used to go up there as kids a lot, like when they had
the tall ships come in, and I think I remember nineteen eighty six.
I think that Fourth of July was all the tall ships and we went up
to the up there and watched from observation decks and everything. It was fucking
awesome. I've been in the Twin Towers often since happened. Just go.
It was really, really freaky. It was surreal. Last April I took
the boys to New York City and we went to the Memorial and then we
went up we did the one World Trade Center. I haven't been to that
and they were like, Mom, what is this all about? And I
so weird. It's so weird. Don't teach it? They don't teach well.
I mean, yeah, but Mark, my kids are they were at
that point eight and sex. Well right now, I'm seeing if you well,
asked Jamie Samison, do you know do you know about nine to eleven?
Yeah? They teach it in school. Yes, what do they teach
you in school? Our teacher went in depth and showed recordings that she took
while she was there, and she also went on to say, like when
it hit the Pentagon that she thinks it was an inside job. Okay,
so hanging on a second. To Mark's point, I don't think it's a
lot in textbooks because that's a comparison. To me. There was nothing about
Vietnam. We were coming through school, there was nothing really taught about the
Vietnam War, basically because we shouldn't have been there probably and we had the
French try to fight at first. But all that I learned from a teacher
who, much like Jamison saying, taught us from their own stuff instead of
the materials. That is interesting. You're right she went off topic one day.
This is also off topic, but she just went in on the O.
J. Simpson case one day and went on for two days and told
us to study it. And it wasn't even what we were learning about.
Was this a history teacher? Not I try. I try to tell my
mom and like be like, oh. She said that when it hit the
Pentagon, she thought it was like a like a rocket and not a you
know what I mean, Yeah, not a plan. My mom was like
picked up the phone and called the school and then they didn't they can't do
anything about it. Well, don't forget your uncle is a West Point guy
who wound up being over in Afghanistan. And she also did say that like
she was kind of trying to put it on us that it was that nine
to eleven was an inside job and was trying to not she should teaching facts
you can't accept. She was telling us about her conspiracy theory. Bro,
she had his conspiracy theories for She wasn't a freaky teacher. That's actually like
a real teacher, like you like her, actually a real teacher. What
do you know? No, No, he liked her in class. He
liked her. She was she was a normal teacher. But she just had
you know, like she liked to talk about her thoughts and so. But
it wasn't in a weird way. She just like to share it. That's
what I would like. Yes, you know, right, And and she's
somebody who's going to let you free think a little bit, right, a
little free think it is. But you're right, you will get big trouble
if you tried that ship around here at all. Oh my god, All
right, we'll take a moment. Uh We're going to talk to some people
who were at the rally uh in Pittsburgh when the shooting came out. With
the shooting happened at President Trump the assassination. Time called that uh BTV wood
Fire, Pizza and grill and the mall Grease Ridge. You got the sausage
wagon Jamison. Yeah, how good was that? Was? Had fresh Montrelle
finished. It's so it's a lot of monts arena. But it's not bad.
It's not bad at all. It's really good as it is, really
like your done six minutes? No, I like to check my time,
Yes, Davis does what did you get? Bill? I I didn't today
And the only reason is because uh no, no, no, not because
they brought Joe. Because I I had Jamis and I met some friends today
who hung out their pool and we had Venison burgers. So I like three
or four of these venice three or four Jesus Christ, Hey, it was
protein. Yes, But I will tell you that everything at bTB is fantastic
because I know that I had you had this? Is that? The strawberry
field salad? Yes, it is fantastic. I think of all the salads
that I've gotten for a monthly salad, this is the best. Yeah.
See the spring mixed, juicy strawberries, crispy bacon, crumbly blue cheese,
walnuts, and your choice of dressing on top of that. And it looks
like they gave you some Italian dressing. Maybe I don't think a vinegrett,
but definitely, Chris, it's nice. That nice. You can add grilled
chicken when you go in, or steak or shrimp or anything to that,
or the black bean burger if you want to add it to the salad,
that's always good. The annipasto panini is what you had, Joe, Okay,
I was wondering. Yeah, it's ham, mozzarella, artichokes, black
dollars, pepperoni, pepperccini, and their house made Italian dressing, which I
love. And then I'm always a big fan of the house chips at bTB.
It's just my favorite. And when you get out there, don't forget
about the brunch either. You know, Sunday Sunday Brunch is really impressive over
there. So yes, because they've got everything. You can get everything from
like eggs, Benedict the Waffles, breakfast pizza and then buy one, get
one Mimosa's Bloody Mirrors. I didn't realize how many daily specials they have because
Joe is a bTB goer. Yeah, and he's like, we got to
go for the ten dollars burgers and everything, And then he was actually just
talking to my brother in law. My brother in law goes there every single
week for lunch. Oh yeah, my brother in law was telling me that,
yes, yes, when we were at your house, Yes, he
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was thinking of a different movie. Yeah, was this in Fast Times?
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concerts though, didn't you. I did not know? Yeah, uh so
Dan is not here tonight. But he was telling me that he knew a
couple of people, or heard of a couple of people who were at the
rally with Trump, and we were talking about that, and it's been everywhere
in the news. I mean, this is an unprecedented, scary thing.
And I did see somebody talking about it where they're like, what what was
left? They impeached them twice, right, they embellisd some other stuff.
They got him on this. The only thing left to dude was was assassination.
And I think somebody said that prior to the weekend. But it's a
very scary and I would think very upsetting thing. Uh. Joyce Gallagher is
a teacher in Buffalo. Retired teacher. Joyce Yes, retired, retired teacher.
How many years have you been retired? Just to My parents were teachers,
but down in the Potipsie area where I grew up with the Uh.
But what what did you teach? I taught homeac very nice, nice and
UH. And your friend Greg is on the phone as well. And you
and Greg went to the rally in Pittsburgh. Why did you feel compelled to
go to this? Do you want to start, Craig or should I?
Oh? I was always looking for a traveling companion to a Trump rally.
I couldn't find anybody, And and my buddy Joyce here is well, you
know, she's been a lifelong Democrat. She's going no, I want to
go. I want to go when so, Joyce, you've been in a
lifelong Democrat? Are you? You're a Trump supporter? Now? Well,
what happened is that I didn't like what was going on with the Democratic Party,
you know, a few years ago, and then I decided to go
independent, and then they stopped the Independent, and then I became Republican.
Okay, but basically I I have I have conservative views. I I went
to the party that you know, fit my my views on life. So
I found that in the Republican Party. And what inspired me to go to
to go to the Trump rally was the fact that I am so set up
with what's going on in our country, you know, like we're losing so
much. I grew up in a time when I would have never thought that
I see the things that I see so and experience the things that I've experienced
in the last you know, maybe you know a few years. And I
said that to get this angst out of me, I've got to like shout
and you know, just be a part of people that feel the same way
I do. So yep. So Joyce, can I say, because before
you came on and I had your wrong phone number of things, Dan greg
was saying that you're a black woman. And I only think that's important because
there's many people who believe that President Trump had some racial I don't know if
we could say racist, but racial overtones maybe maybe racist things. Did you
ever feel that way when he was president before or in anything leading up to
his presidency? Not at all, not at all. As a matter.
When I went to the rally, I was treated very well. Yes,
well, I would assume that would you kind of be the case, but
you're you know, you're retired, so you're I would assume, in your
early to mid sixties, So you've seen things over the years and how I
would think segregation that sort of thing, or at least no family members that
lived through that time. So nothing with Trump in any way ever kind of
rubbed you the wrong way in terms of that. No, the thing is
is that I have you know, over time, I have heard how he
has helped black people in many ways. One is employment. He had one
of the lowest, no one of the highest statistics with black unemployment in the
sense and employment excuse me. He raised the standards of black employment, which
was, you know, something that was really outstanding that I thought. Okay,
so you go down to this rally, how was the vibe there overall,
god fearing people that love this country. Okay, Yeah, there's a
lot of I would think that that seems like a pretty fair assessment of Trump
supporters. It feels like I think a lot of people have come to the
conclusion I don't know that we can continue with the current president, especially after
watching him the debate, if he's able to actually fulfill the duties of the
office, I'm not sure. I think that's Democratic Party is embarrassing this stuff.
They're embarrassing this man. Well obviously shouldn't be doing this. Why there's
some somebody said to me, it's almost elder abuse. I can't disagree.
Yeah, I know, I mean it sort of feels that way, right
as a former Democrat choice Well, could you repeat the question. I'm sorry,
I've got so many things going through my head right now that i'd like
to talk about. You know, yeah, I just said that watching President
Trump, I think there's some people who feel, excuse me, not President
Trump, President Biden, it's almost like elder abuse, watching him, putting
him out there consistently. Well, the thing that I have that I'm offended
by is the fact of the lie. You know, like I've always believed
that, you know, truth should always prevail. And the thing is is
that the lies, the dishonesty, you know, like the transparency, the
lack of it. I think that there is you know, I mean,
the Constitution says that we have the right for free speech, but the point
is is that free speech is hindered by people that don't agree with you.
And if you don't agree with a person in this state, not state like
New York, but in this climate you are, there's a bully pulpit.
And also you are you know, there could be litigation, there could be
lack of employment, you could be fired, you could be ostracized. There's
so many I mean, we're not meant to be that way. We're meant
to like help each other get through life. And I'm finding that, you
know, like, you know, it shouldn't go this way. You know,
we weren't meant to We weren't meant to be, you know, like
to take away a person's lifestyle or income because we of a disagreement. We
have It's interesting you say that because I always think that that's a social media
thing. And it used to be where we would have a disagreement and we
just maybe walk away saying something like, well, agree to disagree, but
now yeah, you disagree, right, But now it feels like you're not
just wrong and it could pardon my friends, but you're dead fucking wrong.
And how could you possibly think that way? And you're right, I mean,
the bully pulp. It's a big deal. But take me back to
the events on Saturday, and you know where you were and and kind of
how things unfolded and how far into the speech was President Trump at the time
when the shots rang out, Well, it was a very hot day.
Everybody was scrambling to keep cool. I, Greg and I were trying to
find places of you know, coolness under like building not under buildings, but
next to buildings or wherever we could find it. And basically we decided that
we would stay in the area of shelter from the sun until he came.
So what happened is that, you know, like five o'clock, we were
told that he would arrive at five o'clock. He did not arrive at five
o'clock. He arrived a little after six, so we decided to go down
and get a place near the stadium or not the city of the platform so
that we can get a good look at him. And it was like,
you know, like shoulder to shoulder. I mean, it was really hard
to get real close. There was a fence between him and us in the
platform, and then there was probably oh maybe eight or ten you know dick
deep people you know around that. I mean, I'm discussing, but it
was a pretty thick crowd around the fence. Even so, what happened is
that you know, the rarey started. He you know, there was the
music that was being played that you know, got you you know, excited
about like being there. When he finally arrived, you know, everybody was
cheering. He told he told people how much he loved them, which is
really you know, like really outstanding, you know, like to to to
be so personable that you show people that you really care about them as opposed
to you know, the fake caring. You know. So he came out
and basically, you know, it was there was like a round of applause.
Obviously, you know a lot of you know, like chanting things like
that. What I recall before all this happened. Is well, maybe i'll
go to I'll just continue on the same plane. So therefore, you know,
he started to talk. He said, he was talking about the things
that he has done. And the funny thing is is that, you know,
like, it wasn't long before shots rang up. But I'll go back
he started on his talk. He he said that I don't like you know,
talking, you know, with the telecopter, but he said that I
need to show these statistics to you. So he was he was looking,
he was having us look at the statistics of how the border has changed from
his administration to the prior, not the prior, well the prior and the
the current editation. And you know, we were fixed on that. You
know, everybody was fixed on what he was saying. And souddenly, there
was the pop, pop, pop pop. It wasn't even long after he
had started that that the popping came. Now, I've never heard a gunshot,
so I thought it was just you know, like firecrackers or something like
that. But then immediately somebody said shot, you know, shot to get
down. And I have never seen people flattened so quick in my life.
And so what happened after that is that you know, we saw him taken
off the stage. Everything you know, became I won't see, I won't
say it became mayhem. But in a in a in a uh, it
became like people, uh, there was how can I say it, people
kind of like realized that this was not a good situation, and they started,
you know, like going through the cars. I mean, some people
ran, there were people crying, There were people on their phones. You
know, there was there was the gamut of some people saying the president is
dead to like, you know, oh, there's nothing. You know,
it was just like firecrackers. I mean, you you know, you can't
go by what you hear when people are in that state of like perplexity.
And it was so surrealistic. I mean like I mean, I mean,
here you are looking at you know, statistics, you see you're your your
charge because you see President Trump. You you you're you're part of like a
rally. You know, like you're part of like a good uh You're you're
a part of something that's really positive. You're you're paying attention to the information
he's trying to educate you on. And suddenly it becomes surreal and The thing
is that before and I'll jump back to what I was saying before, when
we came down from the shelter to you know, to the area where the
podium was, there was a lady in front of us a said, you
know, the snipers on top of the on top of the roof, and
I have never seen snipers, so therefore the snipers like again, So really
I said, what you know, like, you know, are we overdoing
it and all that? But I really learned later that we weren't, you
know, overdoing it. And the interesting thing is too, is that when
we when we were when we came down from the shelter, we wanted to
get a closer look. So there was a secret State secret serve it a
secret Service agent with the radio that looked like he was going closer to the
fence. So we followed him and it looked as though he must have gotten
information on something that was you know, about to happen. And then you
know, seconds after that, you know, the popping came and then you
know, he disappeared and we hit the ground. And how scared were you
or did you even have any time to be scared? I didn't have time
to be scared. I will say this. When we hit the ground,
I couldn't believe that I was doing this, but I did it. And
when I got up, I, you know, I know that I wasn't
shuttering like that, but I actually touched my toy. So to think,
you know, like maybe you know like I did, or you know what
I mean, maybe didn't feel it right. I got bad knees. So
I heard the layout so quickly was yeah, it was actually everybody did everybody
but me. I can give a different version if you're if you're interested in
hearing it, because I'm more I'm more practical. So we left at nine
in the morning. It was a three hour drive. We get there at
noon. We stand in line for an hour. We're in a wide,
open field, which is you know, it's it's basically the fair grounds.
There was only one tree in the whole complex, so we stood in an
hour, in line for an hour to get in. Get in. At
one o'clock they open up the gates. I expected to see Trump Junior and
and Marjorie Green and Matt Gates. There was nobody a couple of local politicians
that spoke at three o'clock. So from noon till five. There was nothing
going on, just an open field, everybody mingling. They did have some
nice food trucks and water, I mean pallets and palettes of free water,
which everybody went through, no shade whatsoever. So along the back fence there
was the EMTs that they literally had a line of ambulances taking people in because
of heat stroke or sunstroke. They were dropping like flies. So all the
people that were in the bleachers, you know, you have to get there
early, you know, to get your fifteen minutes of fame behind President Trump.
Well that was a constant rotation of people because nobody could tolerate the sun
that long to save their space. So, you know, Joyce and I
we wanted to get behind President Trump to be on cameras and it was our
first rally and to you know, tell America, here we are and we
support President Trump. So the people that, you know, the ones that
were shot and hurt, you know, they could have been rotated in there.
They could have been there like only five minutes, right. And there
was two two bleacher sets. The first one which President Trump was in front
of with the cameras to as you look at him through the camera to his
to our right at that point, there was another set of bleachers. Those
were the people that were shot in that set of bleachers. And I do
a lot of shooting. So when the gunfire went off, it wasn't pop
pop pop, it was bang bang bang, and it happened. So President
Trump was on stage for six minutes, okay, and the reason and you
know, we were all in shock. And then the police, I mean
there was about a thousand different police officers and officials there within us, mingling
amongst us and keeping us, you know, everybody safe in theory, and
they moved us right out. So that whole place. So President Trump came,
he was there for six minutes, they moved him out, and they
had us out of that fair ground field within another six minutes. The whole
place was clear. We were all in because they turned it into a crime
scene, you know, so people didn't just meander through. They were literally
forced out. And then we spent three hours. You know, here we
are in our car thinking we're going to drive away, and then they shut
down all the roads. All cell phone and Wi Fi was turned off,
so we you know, our loved ones at home were trying to get touch
with us, and they couldn't so you know, everybody was panicking thinking that
we were shocked. Wow, so that was they jam They jammed the cell
phones, right, you couldn't make calls in or out. Well, I
what I was I thought they shut them down because they you know, you
know, my phone normally works at any time, right. But what we
were told after the fact was there was you know, fifty thousand people there
all trying to make a phone call at the same time that they just locked
up the system. Yeah, well that happens. I mean, well,
we have Fairport music fests. It's true. You can't get a call out,
you can't get a text. You get the text the next day Mebia
at such and such bar. You're like, sorry, mister, yeah,
well sold, Then what what they told us is potentially true. Then yes,
yes, I thought again I thought the experience, Yeah, I thought
maybe they jammed that. I don't know, I would assume there's a way
to Well, that's what I thought too. I mean, it was an
assassination attempt. And so were you scared? Greg? Is this is going
on? I mean that that that's a pretty heavy deal. It's a pretty
heavy ordeal, and it's scary and you don't know where the shots are coming
from. And you know, well we knew where the shots were coming from.
We didn't know, you know, we're on the ground. We can't
see up on the roof right at one hundred and fifty yards. In fact,
I didn't even know there's buildings there, honestly, right, you know,
I look at the photos I took and if you look way in the
back, I guess that's the roof that you know we shot from, but
from us on the ground. So the people that actually saw the shooter that
you see on television, they were up in the bleachers, so they could
see him because they were at a higher level. Yes, yes, yes,
yes, I got you. And then surprisingly, you know there,
you know, because a lot of people, We're talking a lot of people.
Everybody was trying to find shade at some point during the day, so
some of those people had mingled within that building and that's when they saw the
shooter climb the ladder. You know, that's it. And there was a
you know, but we weren't. We were actually next to the mainstream media
platform, okay, did you We were to the right of that directly and
in the sense that Joyce was talking about, was you know, it's kind
of a barricade divider kind of thing. You know, they can move them
in and out. It wasn't an actual sense they come in pieces and did.
And then there was chairs in front of the mainstream media up to the
platform because you know, the front chairs are for those Trump Joe's and the
I p s. And then there was a few chairs, you know,
backing up to the mainstream media platform. Yeah, so I'll ask you both
this, has he secured the uh the nomination? I know he secured the
nomination for the Republican but has he has he won the office of the presidency
for a second time already? People to say that, you mean, what's
our feeling. Yeah, there's many people who said it's over, Well we
should be it's over. It's not. Well, you know, go ahead
and go ahead, George, we'll both we'll both answer. We both had
different political points of view on that. But yeah, my thought on the
you know, like, I think it's providential. I think that, you
know, like for a bullet to get so close to a person's head and
missed like that, it was it was the providence of God. I do
believe that. I think about what happened with George Washington. George Washington,
are you familiar with what happened with him? Well, in the in the
middle of like battle, his horse was shot from beneath him. You know,
he was he was surrounded by an array of bullets, but none of
the bullets hidn't. There's a famous painting that you can see. I don't
know if you're and I don't know the name of it, but it's a
white horse. It's up on its hind legs and you're seeing bullets all around.
The president or what became what he wasn't the president at the time,
I think it was General Washington then, correct, correct, And at that
time what happened is that you know, they I guess they looked at his
clothing and they realized that this man should have been dead. So I look
at I, you know, forward into you know Trump, you know,
President Trump. It's almost providential that, you know, like you know,
washing, General Washington was you know, forging a country and here you have
President Trump, you know, trying to forge our country in a different way
in a sense. So that's my that's my thought of it, because if
if things, if he does not get in, we're not going to see
America again, the way we thought, the way it was it was written.
But what Yeah, well, I'm an avid shooter. And if you
look at the giant ass leg that was behind President Trump, that the cranes
were holding up, that thing was almost horizontal. So the wind was very
strong in President Trump's favor. I mean, but again I have to agree
with with Joyce that you know it was an act. It was the hand
of God that saved him. Well, how do you not turn to show
you the stats? I think he's dead. Well, his head was turned.
I mean, if you watched the clips on Fox or whatever, you
watch the snipers behind him. The snipers actually had the shooter in his scupe.
He lifted his head off the scupe, the shots fired from the shooter,
the sniper puts his head back on the scope and had President Trump's head
really didn't deviate one way or the other. He was still looking to his
Yeah at the chart. Yeah, had he not been if he didn't have
those charts, they saved his life. I think he said that, and
it seems to be true. This guy clearly a terrible shot. That's an
easy platform, easy gun to shoot, and only one hundred and fifty yards,
you know, as a shooter for an AR fifteen. Like I said,
the wind was pretty was pretty stiff. Well either that stuff that's just
stupid. I was in shot, Okay, I witnessed it. When everyone
else dropped down, I didn't. I just stood there. Why And I
had a difference because I wasn't really afraid for my life. I mean the
shooting, I knew they weren't shooting at me. They were shooting at him.
And it ended pretty quickly. I mean we're talking. It seems you
watch television, it seems like a twenty right exactly. You know. I
feel bad for the Secret Service because they show a photo. You know,
look at the Secret Service agent couldn't holster her pistol. Between the shot being
fired then covering them and getting them into the car was literally seconds. Yeah,
you know, it really is. Have you shot an AAR fifteen?
Oh yeah all the time? Yeah, week I go out shooting. Yeah,
those are I mean those bullets fly quick, right and and yeah,
I mean they're just you got it, and so you're just hitting a bunch
of those and uh, I think the snipers had him. I don't know
how many rounds the kid got off, but it couldn't have been a whole
lot. Yeah, I'm still confused about that myself. But it you know,
it wasn't pop hop hop. It was bang bang bang it was and
it sounded very close it did from my point of view, okay, But
also to the right of that, there was an explosion. I thought it
was a fire hose, like maybe a straight bullet hit a fire hose or
it couldn't quite figure it out, but it was coming out of a straight
up hole and it was like a fire hose sprang out like dirty water.
And nobody ever made a mention of that. But this went on for about
thirty seconds of the spray of whatever it was, and then it ended somebody
had poured upon It was definitely all right. It was like hitting a fire
fire hydrat. I got you, oh so rusty water, Yeah, anytime
they've opened up. I once in radio I had the lovely task of they
wanted to be submerged in water for thirty six hours, but they would draw
curtains and you could sleep in all this. But they filled it greg with
the fire hydrant that hadn't been opened in forever, and there was so much
rust in this water. That it needed to settle out for a day.
Right, So I think to your point that somebody probably hit a fire hydrant.
It's a lot of rust water, water that hasn't been released in a
while. And there you go, that just sounds like a holy hell to
me. I mean, it's really quite scary and quite upsetting. And you
know, whether you support President Trumpet or not, I think that we talked
about this a little while ago on the podcast. I I it's a human
being, and I can't imagine what his family was thinking after you know what,
once you the thought settles into as to what actually happened, what actually
transpired. That's a very scary and unsettling feeling. I have to think for
everybody. Oh even you know. I talked to Joyce this morning and we're
both in shock. I mean I could literally cry in a heartbeat, you
know, if I think about it. You know, I was shedding tears
all day yesterday, and you know then we have family functions and church and
you know, it just gave me a good excuse to just you know,
cry my eyes out. But yeah, it's it's again. I'm in shock,
and I have no words for really, well, what I want to
say to add what you you know, my thoughts is that you know,
like we're supposed to be the United States of America, you know, united,
not you know, like divided, and you know this administration that is
that is here dividing us. It's not it's not keeping us as a group.
And that's my thought. Okay, all right, well I can understand
that, and I I thank you both for talking. And I can't imagine
what you went through. And uh, god speed right, thank you,
yes, yes, thank you, and thanks for listening to us. You
got it. Joyce and Greg, thank you very much. Guys, thank
you, bye bye bye. All right, there you go. Yeah,
that is I mean interesting, right, I mean they were right there.
It's heavy to hear him here and to hear him say I cried, like
the next day I was, I'm in shock. That that just shows you.
I can't imagine. I've never been in one of those situations, you
know what I mean. You imagine going to the country show in Vegas when
that came open front. I mean I kept thinking, well eleven minutes,
yes, thinking about it's it and you don't know where to go, Like
this guy may have some ballistics. I don't know Greg's back. He says
he shoots guns, but I don't know if he's a former police officer,
military guy. I have no idea. He sounded like he could hear understand
guns a little bit better, but most people don't, right, And like
she said, I I thought pop pop pop is what it sounds like.
It's what it sounded like on the videos I saw I fired those guns.
But I've been right up on top of them. But I've only fired him
maybe once twice. It took my kid to do it with the sheriff.
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Well. He grew up in Syracuse and the number one station there was
Conda for a long time. So that's the uh. He didn't play at
any of your country best or whatever you went to. Now, were you
always a country fan or are you now won by osmosis? So my dad
injection? No, my dad was pure country was Yeah. So my first
concert was Reba McIntyre. Really good first concert. Yeah, what was your
first concert? You know? My first concert ever? Country concert? No,
first concert ever. Lover Boy and Zebra at the State Fair. It's
fubra Holy ship, dude. They were from Long Island. Yes, they
used to come to to WPDH all the fucking time. They were not They
had like one song that coordimated, had a couple They sounded like led Zapp
they did, Yes, very much. So lover Boys opening up for Sammy
Hagar they are How weird? Is that? That is very weird? Joe,
you're a country guy. I'm a country guy. Unfortunately, you know,
well, unfortunately it's the wrong girl. The wrong girl got me listening
to different music. Just because my heart was broken, I lost my dog,
drink a beer and I turned country. Okay, but is it What
was your first concert? My first concert I think was actually Lincoln Park,
there you go. Yeah, mine was Stevie Ray Vaughan, Henry Lease Summer
opening Up. You remember Henry Release Summer? Yes they do, yeah,
like one sum is there Summertime. I think he's dead somehow. Summertime.
Yeah, it was. I have to dig it up and see if we
can play it in. My all time favorite artist is Garth Brooks. Garth
Brooks was like he's the man. And I went to see Garth Brooks in
Buffalo, Buffalo, and he put on a hell of a show. Like
ten years ago, I was there, jamieson. What what was your first
concert? I don't even remember. Oh, that's right. Oh we went
to see Logic real quick. Walked into the girl's bathroom, not realizing it
wasn't okay, was there a lady in there? No? Did you did
you just go in the first level? Did you see the little Oh you
went upstairs? Because when I just went in the one right down here there
was a little Jesus Christ figurine and I almost stole it and brought it in.
We need a little we need a little divine intervention. Who's the country
artist that Mark was showing me? She had a Jean Maren Marris, Maren
Mars. She had a gene rests. Not a skirt? Is it a
skirt? Is a skirt? Okay, just a skirt? I'm an idiot,
but it was a slit all the way up and she's not wearing under
her I thought I got it. I'd have to see here's the thing.
I can't look at that because I would have to stop it, zoom in
to make sure there wasn't flesh colored panties. That's what someone did. Someone
had at someone? Did someone do it? Or did you do it?
He's honest. At least he's honest. Right, it's a long skirt,
very very thigh. Are you watching the video? No? I just pulled
up a picture to watch the video. You watch the video and tell me,
like, is this because would you ever go out in public? And
maarn Mars thank you, Well, of course she knows. But I'm asking
from a woman's perspect is there enough panel there that you would think that maybe?
Well, I'm saying like there's a I don't I don't even know.
I don't have TikTok? Who has TikTok? I got it? How old
are you? TikTok? What is wrong with you? I think that she
definitely has on underwear. You do know she doesn't. Yeah, I'm with
you walking You would have known that. Yeah, it's like I'm telling you
right now. I'm telling you right now. I had nothing to do this
morning, right, So I fucked around with that for at least two and
a half hours because I got up early, so I went the better the
last night. Yeah, and it's totally freaking Wait two and a half hours.
You spent two and a half hours on that video seeing if Marrion Marrish
was wearing underwear because I wanted to be able to say I want to be
able to say that on the show today. I'm one hundred percent shirt a
very nude. Yes, I'm with you and thank you, thank you,
Jamison, Jamis. What if it's just a photo though people can photo shot
watching the radio, she's there, There's no way she's walking the stage like
that. Spicy Spicy or Nicki Minaj is one of them. They were on
stage and you could you could see all I think okay, you could see.
No, I do think I remember that. I know, I definitely
think that. Yeah, I think she's got new I'm gonna I'm gonna.
I love the fact that you spent someone. You broke that down like it
was a prude of film. I did so fuck you guys to say they
even doubt me. Somebody knew that it spent in a half hours. Somebody
has it. Somebody has it broken down film of the Trump assassination like that
assassinations an attempt. Let me say I like that as you did the Marra
marks. Well, we have friends. We have friends that watch it,
will watch a football game after, Yes, they will. We do have
a friend does that? Oh we have several yes that watch that and then
watch the All thirty two or whatever it is, and yeah, Joe,
do you do that? I know only if I have to. That looks
like underwear. It looks like she's got panties. She definitely is wearing.
I'm going with the ladies opinion on this. That's all I want to know.
I have a question for you, since we're talking about this mean girls,
mean girls growing up, do you run into mean girls? Did you
have an experience with like eighth, ninth high school. What's the matter?
Were you a mean girl? No? I wasn't mean girl, but I
didn't have like other mean girls I was. But did you know of did
you know of mean girls? Yeah? Okay, one of my best friends
was a bitch to everyone. Okay, here's my question. Do mean girls
remain mean girls when they grow up? Because I will tell you that I
still think that. Well, I have a theory. I've always said this
that we never grow up, we just grow old. Because I watch I
watched the shit that goes on, Like sometimes I love to people watch.
It's one of my favorite things to do. I notice everything. And I
can notice when there's like divorced women in a bar and they're with their girlfriends
and they come in and you can see the ship and you could almost see
who the mean girl is in the you know right, And you can see
this, And even at my mom's age, I could pick up. She
got a call that was so high school. I was in the car with
her. It was such a high school call over a guy that this woman
met on a dating. I pretended I couldn't hear anything, and my mother
goes, it's just the drama. I go, yeah, don't you remember
having mean girls to see them up? No? Yes, for the mean
girls say come on, say give me drop one day, first name only,
first name only, Becky, I didn't think a girl, yeah,
because you were you were on air. If you're a regular person like me,
soon was a mean girl. Okay. But do they grow up and
change or do they stay the same? To be honest, I would think
that you stay the same. A little you do, but I think a
lot of those does motherhood It's like change you a little bit, make you
a little more loving or I still know grown as women that are older than
me, in their fifties and they're complete bitches really like always the same when
you say bitches, like in what way? Snooty? Snooty talk about others
behind her back? Yes, the very critiquing like those just double sided jazz.
Also the worst. Well here's my thing. I think that I didn't
have daughters, right, thank God I had three sons and most so I've
just gone through life like you're a mean I didn't give it, but I'm
watching now. I have friends that have daughters, and I hear these things
and I go, do you outgrow it? And then I noticed sometimes when
I'm out, I'm like, I watched this woman come in. Okay,
this is what trigger did for me. I'm somewhere and a friend of mine's
wife goes, I was in the same sorority as her. God was she
a bitch? Then look at her and look at her now, and now
this woman had work done on her face. Her her lips are plumped up
right, definitely botox all the ship. She comes in. She's practically peacocky
in the fucking bar with their tits out, the big fake you know.
And I went, do we ever? Really? Are you always going to
be that person who's just gonna look down, I don't know, be mean.
Yeah. I think a lot of people also just hold on to was
their best time in life comes true? You know it's true. Do you
see the webster? I just call him the Real Housewives a webster. I
think there's a few in there that are very snooty, and I think they
probably compete for guys, and I get bet they screached. I bet they
screw each other over. I bet they would try to steal each other's boyfriends
if they could. I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree. I'm gonna disagree with all
these her side, Well, Laura's very like very she knows some snooty people
and whatnot, but they're not the ones that a bar. Okay, you'll
know any girls at work at the bar. Yeah, you hear some freaking
shit. I loved it. I love it. I just I was just
curious. I don't know why. I remember when I made Joe come work
out with me at the gym. He one time was like, who was
that girl? And he described her to me. I was like, Oh,
she's the biggest bitch. And he's like I could tell, like just
by He's like, just how she walks around your gem, Like right,
this shit doesn't stink. She wears full on makeup jewelry. Like okay,
she comes to the gym, So going to the gym, she puts a
lot of effort in just to go. Well, I would think most people
just throw your hair up. Yeah, guys throws on a hat. Joe
doesn't do anything because he's gonna shaved his head. Yeah you're not bald and
you shaved your head. Oh it's a tattoo. Well I know you guys
are speechless. Yes, my hair is a tattoo. Bullshit. No,
how do I show you a picture? It's called scalp microblading. So I
had this crazy receding hairline. I was bald up top. I watched an
infomercial on a Saturday morning for like thirty minutes. Shut the fuck up for
real, Like, you shaved your head, it looks great. Two hours
later I drove to Buffalo. So I just shave it every two three days
and just a clean haircut. Got touch it? Sure? Wait no the
first wait, so hang on a second. Is it tattoo? I'm confused.
Tattoo? It took fifteen hours. Oh my god, how much pain?
It wasn't painful at all. So they don't go as deep as a
tattoo. But does it wear off? It's supposed to last like four to
six years. Hold on, I'll let you feel so where you can tell
he's good. So if you go right here where I was receding, you
feel nothing, right, Oh but it looks like there you go. Ah.
Yes, first time he met the boys, that was like his opening
line, like he was like, guys, my head's a tattoo. And
then Luke was just like, mom, can I go shave my head?
Like Joe, what was the opening line to you do you want to dance?
Okay, all right, yeah, look at that. But so the
tattoo, this is interesting to me. Okay, fifteen hours, fifteen hours,
so it's broken down between three and four sessions. I was there,
you know, four or five hours each session. Yeah, this guy in
Buffalo. We drive out there just laying like this, or laying yes and
yes. Just a million dots. Wow. No, damn, that's it.
I know. Hundred dollars was great. That's it. That's it.
The last four to six years. Did you look into anything like the hair
transplant that they do the uh where they regrow hair like No, I've known
people who have done that where they pull the scalp a little bit forward.
I mean that all looks really rough. I mean I did want a man
bun, so I looked at the wigs, but I couldn't go there.
So I couldn't go there. I saw. I said, you know what,
let me just try this little tattoo thing. We'll see what happens.
I wanted hair. What do you want me to do? You're gonna do
a man bun for it? Oh? I would get it to a man,
but a hardbet all right, hair, you never had hair. I've
always had short hair, receding at a young age. I started shaving my
head when I was twenty nine thirty. What does that do? All right?
Okay, so let let's let's let's be really let me ask and try
to be really honest. Okay, what does that do in your mind?
Like again, I've always had a pretty thick head of hair. Now I
feel like there's I'm starting to lose it back here a little bit. But
I'm also older now. But as a young guy losing your hair, there's
there's it's gotta be. Does it fuck with your ego a little bit?
Oh? It definitely? Yeah? There you go. Yeah, so I
had a lot of baseball apps? Yeah? Does that make it worse?
The baseball app? Well, I don't know, Like pulling it on and
off and all of a sudden you get out, you get a little chunks
of hair in the band around you. I was like that that wasn't no.
But but it fucked with your head? You didn't you it did it?
Did you know? Going to the barber every two weeks and them telling
me, you know, hey, it's getting a little thin up here.
I don't know what's more we can do? So I just said one day,
I'm just gonna take it off. Yeah. And so how were women
receptive to that? Like, how young were in your twenties? I can't
I'm trying to remember if I was thirty or thirty one, but I was.
I noticed I was receding probably twenty seven, twenty eight to six,
pretty good. Yeah, then it really started going up top. And that's
when there's nothing IgA do, right, Yeah, because it looks like a
full head of hair. Man, well, thank you, it does.
Didn't be that type of guy. You have a pleasant beard though, Like,
yeah, no, there's no I mean, that's the rule. You
know, if you're gonna go bald, you gotta have some kind of color,
you gotta have some facial hair. And that's just the rule. What
were mean girls like when you were going bald? I was kidding, I'm
kidding, I'm kidding. Joe said he had like a glow up in the
past. Yeah, I definitely had a glow up. You know. I
got him visil line, I got my hairline. I got in a little
bit better shape, you know, I was I was the fat guy in
high school, the fat guy, really fat guy. Crooked tea. How
tall are you six too? I was at my heaviest I was three hundred
pounds. Holy shit, dueh six But you probably wore it better than some
three pounds. I don't know, man, I loved them and heavy ivex
T shirt. Yeah, it was terrible. It's a terrible face. It's
a lot of weight to be carried too, I like on your knees and
ship. So what did you do to lose it? Uh? Depression?
Depression hit really hard. Then I just started going, you're going bald?
You got fat? I fat was bald fat bald? Fuck yes? And
then you and you got depressed and that changed your life. Most people that
most people get to that point. I knew I was gonna get picked on.
They're bald, they're ready to go off the one on four Bridge.
No, I think you're a hero to me. You'd be very honest.
But no. So I got in the best shape of my life, maybe
like eight nine years ago. I got down to like two hundred pounds nice.
And then I would say within the last three years, I just started
focusing more on myself with the BIZZI line, my hairline, everything else.
It helps, you know, I have this beautiful girlfriend. Now that's just
it. All pay it off, all paid off. I gave up.
Yeah, fuck it. Yeah, Marianne really got herself reprised, didn't she
She did. She's like reaching into the cracker box, that's for sure.
No, I I think that's pretty impressive that you were. You really depressed.
Oh yeah, I openly admitted it. You know a lot of my
friends didn't know what it was. You know, I struggled it for years.
It took a while to be up front and honestly, you get help.
I did. I I saw therapist. Good. I did not say
who really saved you? Though, don't fucking take credit over here. No,
I wasn't. Yeah, my dog, I'm telling you I wanted to
dog. Dog helped me out. Yeah yeah, what kind of dog.
He's a border Yeah yeah yeah, but he's he's like, yeah, nothing
that would be you know, you didn't have the same effected, you know,
you know, just being what you know, maybe I could have met
the dog if I was in the fire. Yes, Look, it don't
start with the So we had the buildo party and I thought, what build
up? No, I know, because I know what the you know,
right, Yeah, it was a sex toy party. We brought it up
because there was We didn't I didn't know these things parties in Rochester, not
Diddy parties. It wasn't Diddy party they have. No, It's like they
used to have something they called way way back in the olden days. No,
they probably did. They still probably have those, but this they had.
They had tupperware parties where ladies would get together and buy tupperware that you
could and it was like a salesperson, so one woman would sell it and
then all these other ladies would come over. They drink wine, they get
a little buzz, and then they'd buy tupperware. Well it's the same thing,
but this sex toys and I didn't think it was real. So we
looked it up. We called a woman. We said we want to have
a party. She said okay. Laura said we could do it at her
house. So we did it. Literally all happened within thirty minutes. Yeah,
you guys bought them in person or you guys just y, Yeah,
you can know the store was the store comes to you. She comes in
and shows you all the stuff. Yep, your dad got to taste different
flavored blubs. Yeah, you tasted it. Well, not on my finger.
They put it on my finger and then I tasted it. I have
I'm doing a job here, son. You want me to keep paying for
stuffing? Yeah, you got paid to taste that. I didn't get paid.
But I have humiliation. He's been doing that for thirty years. You
guys, we'll just give up workout. I'm still bad. I didn't get
to meet the dog, and you get that dog. We could have touched
my depression together. I think we need to do a whole nother pool party
one. Oh. She wants to do a pool part with everyone that comes
on the pod, but somehow I will not be invited to it. Well,
I will invite you to that. We know what we'll do that.
Let's find a date in August. Can we do that. We'll find a
date in August. And I'm not a big fan of taking all the equipment
out, but I will do it for that. We don't even have to
do that, she did. No, I like to do the pod,
doing the pod there, doing the pod there, and then hang out and
party and that's it. Maybe we do it like on a Saturday. We
can, and then we can run an episode. We have everyone got it?
That's what I like. We do a little batch recording and get some
stuff done. That sounds better than that sounds better? Do it August first,
because it's a National girlfriend Day? National girlfriend What are you trying to
do? It could be like a cute little thing. But if you guys
want to have another didty party, go ahead. I don't want to have
another. Okay, So happy with how the party turned out. How about
this kid? I can't get it. My god, he's a chip off
the old bar holy ship. Yeah. I don't have a girlfriend though,
so I can't go. We're not sure about that. If it's at her
house, it's for them. But you guys, got I gotcha? Yes,
I see what you're saying. What if we put like three random girls
behind something and then you can ask them a thousand questions? Oh and then
I have to go. Oh nowadays it's it's twenty one. Yes, it's
on YouTube and it's a different naked dating. Oh god, they had a
show where you stood behind the screen. Did you watch it on HBO Max?
No? Do you watch the game? They're completely naked and they reveal
starting at your feet and the wall goes up, goes up, goes up
and it's you standing there with the host your clothes, but everybody who's a
potential date is naked. And you get to the side and are they all
good looking people or no? But you get to see the body. The
last thing you see is the face. It's for so it would be literally
me, you four all behind a panel and it goes up and then like
you eliminate before you would even see the deck, like you're you eliminate one.
Then it keeps going all mark. It's called I think it's called naked
dating, naked naked dating, or naked attraction, naked attraction, something like,
Yes, it's a British show. I hate British. But then so
say I choose you in the end, then for me to make I get
naked, she gets meat naked for the first time. Check that out,
Yes you will, And I would like to review back in the seventies and
I had something like that and a serial killer was on there and the lady
who like got with the guy. There's two guys that go behind them back
in the seventies and just you don't see him until the end. They both
come out and they talk a little bit more and then they choose who.
She chose the serial Killer, which she didn't know at the time, and
he was may have killed like three people but in total killed like like a
hundred something like that. This is real. This is legit and you can
look it up. It's called the Dating. Is that Ted Bundy or something
like? No, I don't know this, yeah, I think listen and
listen. Yeah, So she did it. She went out, she called
him, talked to him, but she called the show back and said,
I don't like this guy. He's giving me a weird vibe. He's kind
of creepy. So he so the show called her, I mean show called
the serial killer and said, hey, she's not gonna be able to make
it. She's finishing some stuff up. I'm sorry, and he was like
whatever, right, and he tried that night. He was going to killer.
Was the goal to kill that lady? Wow? Rodney Alla, Yes,
Rodney Alla. Look at he was in jail. He recently died like
this this decade like after I think twenty sixteen, twenty fucked up spent.
It was crazy because I know they were teaching that in history class. Now
maybe maybe maybe teacher teacher, all right, we will uh, we'll take
a moment. Laura is an organizer. I don't know if you know that.
I do know that, yes, But I want to know about asking
people to part with things? How ugly has it gotten? Have you had
to give up on a gig because they wouldn't listen? All these things?
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I'm so fair. I just st my hands out of town earlier last
night. Yes, and so what's early for you? Well, usually I
go to about about ten. Okay, it was like six thirty seven.
Oh, yeah, that is that's early. Yeah. I think seven fifty
nine has been the earliest for me. So I was up. Yeah,
So then I saw it. I saw it, say, I might got
the eye. I got my iPad and I got what I got the state
the iPad And yeah, I love it. I love it. That's very
good. Uh mearon Morris and we're not sure what's there. James has been
enlightening us with a serial killer stories back in depth? Huh, I go
back in depth with what about the Yeah, go ahead real quick? Okay,
So the dating game and dating game one? So the guy what was
his name again? Rodney el Kara, So Rodney, I'm not gonna butcher
his name, but he won't get mad. He butchered the bitches. So
he died in two. I think he died in twenty twenty two. Butchered
the bites. He Rodney died in twenty twenty two, twenty one, I
think, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was I think he might have
been in his eighties, sixties something like that. Had to have been in
his eighties or seven or whatever. He was old. So he was in
jail. He was facing twenty five to life for what he did. It
was confirmed seven, but now that it's still being investigated, it's supposed to
be one hundred, one hundred and ten. How about you are a relative
of one of those people and you never everybody talk to us about wanting closure,
right knowing what had happened. What happened? We know obviously they were
murdered or did they just disappear? Did he kidnap them? And so this
is yeah, he got battery, kidnapping, massmars. So people just disappeared.
So this is what happened. To say, first murder was he was
aiming for two girls, and so this girl was spending the night at her
friend's house and asked, can I take my bike back to my house and
get something? So she said sure, and the man offered her for like
a ride. And at this time I think he might have been an aspiring
actor, but he was a charming man. Yeah, so they usually are,
yeah, sociopaths. So, and I haven't heard this story in a
while, so I'm right, but I might be off on some things.
But he took her back to the apart apartment and he either killed this girl
or didn't, and I'm pretty sure he did. But so he takes her
back and he brings her up to the apartment and the bike's outside. So
if everybody's wondering where the bike is, like or where she's at, it's
where the bike is. So she calls. When the girl doesn't show back
up at her friend's house, the friend calls goes. Well, first of
all, she goes to her parents. The parents call the police. The
police track. I don't know how they did, but they got to the
apartment and the girl is now in the shower with the man, and the
man is trying to rape the girl and she's screaming, and he puts her
like under something, and he when the police are outside, he looks out
and his hair's not wet. He acts like he was taking I think he
was just acting like he was taking the shower. He's looking out the window,
and the police realize his hair's not wet, but the rest of his
body's wet, so they know that he was lying. And when it comes
back out, there's blood kind of you know, up to here. So
he's he was beating her up, trying to make her shut up, and
I'm pretty sure he killed the girl. And then you know, they arrest
him. I don't think they actually, I don't think they called him.
I think he got out the back drove off. That was that. Then
he moved across the country, changed his whole identity, changed his name,
changed his whole backstory. And it's easier to do back then. What well,
I'm trying to think, like you have kids, and you guys,
your your brother Jordan, and Jordan was always like a guy who is right
on the edge, like a little kid. He was everything. I had
the worst day ever, but that I once was with them alone and the
guy, the older guys are sixteen months apart, were at the Seneca Park
zoo. They have this iceberg climbing structure. Jordan's on that. I'm trying
to get them out. We're trying to leave and it's like hurting cats and
Jackson decides to run into the tunnel where you could poke your head up like
a gopher. So now I got to go get him. I'm trying to
drag him out of there, but I got the other guy. So a
woman I worked with at the radio station, she worked in the traffic department,
said I'll watch Jordan. I get maybe twenty five feet away from the
climbing structure and I hear, hey, lady, get away from me.
You're scaring me, this like deep voice from a four year old, and
I got so now you're running back, like you know, so I'm going
you always told your kids to beware of strangers, to be But what were
we doing in like the seventies, because that's when like this shit went on
for the most part. Like I'm Steven Stainer was kidnapped then, and like
all you heard all the like that alphabet killer times around, Yeah, the
alphabet killer. You had what's his name? Shawcross, Like it's all like
seventies, eighties, And I go now I feel like there's so many cameras
everywhere. We would see something. I'm always shocked, Like when remember I
don't know how many years ago was but the guy who was holding the girls
in the basement in Cleveland, oh yeah, like in the dungeon. I
was like, how the fuck did that happen? How did nobody see anything?
And now we've got even more cameras, like the ring doorbell is everywhere,
and so I go, these psychos got to find a new right.
Basically, you can't keep people in your in your basement anymore. I don't
think you can. I don't think you can do that. I don't think
I just you know, it's your cell phone tracks everywhere you Yes, you're
pinging and dinging, and right after you're right. So I already said what
like they already know. I didn't say this while we were taking the break
that he went on the dating show. I already know about this, So
before or after what I'm about to say, he went on the dating show.
So he moved across the state. It was during the summer, so
he took a camp counseling job and he was he was very good. Everybody
liked him. He was not creepy like they're usually charming charming guys changed his
act. He may have literally, wasn't that the whole thing with a Dexter
or what's that other show he may have been, Yeah, but he was
a doctor right and he killed the back What about Barry where he's trying to
be an actor and it's the Fonds is in it and he's like his his
acting coach and it's the guy from Saturday Night Live and he kills people,
but he's charming and nice. And he may have literally from what I was
learning, it sounds like he was literally trying to change his life and not
be crazy anymore and just be a normal person. But something probably ticked him
off. Maybe he was trying to, you know, get with somebody and
you know, didn't go the right way with another camp counselor, but something
ticked him off. Well, I'm creepy and I'm not gonna kill anybody or
anything like that. So the actually a point actually goes right, is absolutely
right that you're not helping m I'm not charming. I'm the one that you
look like you own a white van though he three bTB on the side.
So at one point there's there's wanted posters, and I guess it makes its
way to him to where he's at, and kids see it and they report
it to whatever the higher up is when it comes to being a camp counselor,
and as soon as he hears about it, he leaves, moves again,
changes his identity again, and they never catch him. So no,
he'll catch them, what do you mean? I mean, but they weren't
catching him, so I think he may have gotten arrested but got away again.
Somehow. He got away maybe for battery or harassment. And I think
his first ever crime this is going back. A girl rejected him in a
bar and he beat her with a beer bottle and stabbed her. Survived,
So he got arrested for assault. That was his first ever charge. So
he's always been He never got off parole. Whenever he violated it, he
went on the run again. So he's always been on the run forever,
forever and ever. When he was on that show, he was on the
run. So whatever. So he goes on, he kills more people and
then I guess at one of the crime scenes he gets arrested and he went
back to the crime scene. Well, Shawcross used to do that too,
so he was I guess he was bringing him back something. We can probably
do this another day or talk about it whatever. But yeah, and then
he got arrested for for a confirmed seven people and a lot of them were
young girls and some of them. No, no, no, this guy
was No. I think he might have been from the name. He could
have been Latino, because it's usually white guys for the most part, right,
well, except for what was his name? There's somebody who was not.
Yeah, he had he was supported the devil like crazy. You know
what I'm talking about, right, are looking at me? No? I
mean he was. He's a white guy from San Antonio Tech. Yeah.
Yeah, it's usually a white guy. It's usually a white guy. Think
that's that. And when you're when you're charming and somewhat decent looking and clean
cut, Ramirez, people give you the uh richind Ramirez people give you the
benefit of the doubt, that's right. They give you the benefit of do
you fit in? Everything's cool? Ah, this guy, Hey, listen,
he gets I had a bag, drank a little too much last night.
We gave them a bit of it, right, and that's what.
Yeah. So now that it's still being investigated and people are going in now
it's like for us, legally it's a confirmed seven, but really it's a
confirmed yeah except seven. You're like, you know, I just said on
his Wikipedia page eight confirmed up to one and thirty. Geez, god damn
imagine that was like your neighbor to go and he would be the same thing
anytime, anything, like great guy like I I went over, I had
a cup of sugar. I didn't once I went and I bacon cookies,
used to exchange Christmas gifts. He was wonderful kid. This kid I went
to that grew up with and I came out with. He was a serial
killer and or guy for real? You're really yes? Now almost homeless people?
Yeah? Wow yeah, because the who's gonna track him? Right?
Yeah? Yeah, I knew what well. I grew up in a really
small town where a brother killed his sister. She was in my class and
he was fifteen. Took the car out for a ride and she goes,
I'm gonna tell mom and dad, and he took a knife and stabbed her
over a hunter. That must have been a huge story, huge story.
And he wound up living here after he got out and his juvenile record was
sealed and all this stuff, and my father's going, oh, you have
it sealed. Can imagine if some girl married. He was kind of like
and I think Jaron rip did know the guy I was talking about. I
don't know if Jack Ripper did this, but another serial killer. He would
strangle them and then yeah, men killed him. Yeah with an that's loveing.
I'm really glad that you're using your time so these days such a good
stuff. It's a what's the oldest thing you own? What's the oldest thing
you own? This thing I own? Yes, No, you didn't take
it too far. What we're gonna say. He would wait till so he'd
strangle them and they'd pass out. Then he'd rape them, and then when
they gained consciousness is when he would kill them with a knife. Okay,
I don't like you learning these things. What's the oldest thing you own?
I have a stuffed animal dinosaur with sunglasses and the guitar and a leather jacket.
How old I got him? I was fifteen? Okay, all right?
Because somebody was telling me they have like, uh, Super Super Bowl
replica tickets from nineteen eighty six. I think the Giants won that one.
I think it was one of the giants one. Yeah, it was yeah,
And I was thinking, and that made me think of you, because
I go, how much when you're helping people organize or clean out, how
much shit do you come across that people go, oh, no, I
want to keep that wa oj played for them, moms, for the giants,
I mean all the time. Today I had someone who didn't want to
get rid of a pencil keeper from their childhood, and so what do you
say? Why? That one was simple? But like a lot of people
just hold on to sentimental items, which I understand, but yes, or
about like a wedding dress, get the fuck get it? Okay, So
a lot of women will hold on to it and give it to their kids
because daughters they'll have like some patches sewn into like their daughter's wedding dresses or
whatever. Okay, But then there's just so many other things that people hold
onto, and they're stupid old magazines, old newspapers. It's it's the papers
that people hold onto that kill me, Like, you don't need this file
from your job when you were twenty years old, Like do you ever get
in arguments with them? Have you left a job because people wouldn't like listen
to you or take your I so is, if you're not willing to get
rid of stuff, you're wasting my time and your money. Because I want
to make an improvement in your life. I want to help you get rid
of all this shit that you have lying around, or get your home ready
to sell or whatever. But like, if you're not willing to work with
me, then it's pointless and I won't go back to those times. How
was Joe's house when you went there? He owns nothing, nothing, nothing
minimal. Really, Yeah, you didn't hold onto anything sentimental. I think
I have one container of sentimental stuff. But I do have a teddy bear
that sits on my on my dresser that I got when I was two weeks
old. So yeah, yeah that's true. Well this thing I own is
I have my grandmother's class ring and I wear it all the time. Yeah,
but that's nice. Yeah, yeah, I own absolutely nothing. Yeah
I don't think I really the stuffed animal. But that's it. But he's
just saying, like, yes, you do a retro red wing satin jacket
that's been around. I just think it would be really hard when you're cleaning
people's houses out, like some of them have to almost go behind their back
with another relative to throw shit out. Well, and it's a lot of
times when I'm working with elderly clients, like it is so much hand holding.
And you know, even one of the clients right now that I'm working
with, she is I also have like an antique dealer that I work with
that is selling items for this client. And the other day she was like,
oh, I actually want one of these statues that she had told me
to sell. And I was like, are you sure you want that back?
Like we can easily sell it, like you think it will make money?
And I was like, yes, it will. I mean they're gorgeous
wooden, handcarved statues. It's like, okay, well then sell it.
It's like why would you why do you need to keep holding on to stop?
But you know what she finds mark, She finds colostomy bags, the
sex toys. Imagine that like clean and your mom, you're gonna find all
that stuff. I didn't know the ben wabbles what Yeah, I was doing
someone's bathroom with them, Like what and she like handed them to me and
she's like, can you put these in my night standing in my nightstand,
and I was like, okay, what are they? You don't know?
Oh, this is amazing. Say I didn't know either. Right now,
you have no clue after hearing what's girlfriend said on the on the podcast,
there's nothing worse. So they are balls? What she asked them? Did
you say ben wobbles, balls, w a h balls? All right,
explain what ben wall balls are? Guys, female anatomy lesson. You put
them up your vagina? Oh oh, I thought there was somewhere else too.
Well you can, well no, but this is it's supposed to.
And then you hold them in and it's like a kegel exercise. It's supposed
to strengthen your public floor. That's what they're for. Yes, I thought
people stuck them up there, but they probably do. That's anal robe.
I thought they did. I thought, and they get bigger, like they
start out small and they get bigger and bigger and bigger. That would be
like a line talking about that, like tight and it's like you do oh
clueless thirteen year old all right, okay, okay, all right, girls,
yeah, okay, we don't. I don't know anything about girls.
I thought it was something you put up your butt too. Maybe it is.
I don't know, you put them up there? Yes, I'm sure
if you put anything up your butt, you're supposed to have it like have
a hold or else, ye swallow it up. Oh yeah, well that's
always my favorite when I've talked to uh radiologists, yeah, who have had
to take X rays. There was somebody in Rochester that had a light bulb
to say that a light bulb up their butt. I don't know, I
don't know, And I would be like, how do you was it a
flood, Well, that would be a thicker glass that it wouldn't be afraid
of breaking. But think about if that broke and it perforated your sphincter or
whatever. In trouble. Yeah, seen a little video on the internet probably
floating around there exactly what you just said. What a light bulb? One
man, one jar, one man, one jar on man? Okay,
so that's what it sounds like. It's putting the light bulb, but it's
a pickle jar and it breaks and in the video he's picking glass out of
his butt and it's bleeding. I yeah, yeah, you're this is on
the This is on the internet, on platform, go on Twitter, read
it, Jamison how old, are you? I'm fourteen. I haven't seen
it though, I've just read articles and used to say it is a video.
Oh guys like a finger something up their butt? Yeah, she did
say that true? Is that true? No, I have to say that.
I've let me put you let me put it this way. I had
I had issues this for the like the last six months, and I couldn't
understand how any but he could, ye could possibly I could, so I'd
be the worst time. I'd be the worst giguy ever. Doctors have to
check things, check your prostly, what do you mean, like you die?
No, No, no, they no, they got it. They
gotta they gotta check these things. They have to check things. This is
gonna be great, your mom, it's gonna be so so happy. Oh
boy, you're never coming back again. You're never gonna be allowed back.
That's gonna be the end of that buildo per No, don't don't know.
No, no, now, a lot of trouble, thanks a lot,
Laura. That'll go over well. I can see I'm being good. I'm
not being the bad one. No, you never are. No, I
mean good. I don't want to piss. I don't want to piss his
mother all right. For uh Mark, who didn't know what ben Wa balls
are but doesn't know I've seen it two weeks. Oh wait, unless they
come in whatever, We're gonna make something happen next week, guys, unless
I'm not invited. Yeah down invitement places for Joe who's got a tattoo head
and it looks great. Teeth look great, I love it. Give the
glow up and Laura, who didn't even have to help him organize. I'm
Bill Brand, will see you tomorrow