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Hey everybody, thanks for coming to
another episode of My Angular Story. I'm

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the host Aarren Frost, and today
our guest is James James. Can you

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introduce yourself to the community so everyone
kind of gets to hear who you are,

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where you're from. Absolutely. My
name is James Spivey. I'm the

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director of engineering for Shutterstock. I've
been in the industry for about fifteen years.

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On Twitter handles my spyby nyspi bey
if you want to find me there.

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Cool. So what's your what's your back

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ground with it? Let's hear about
it. We're we're all here too,

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regular story, Yeah, yeah,
yeah. So, uh I actually started

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programming in cold Fusion and then Adobe
Flex. Yeah, I'm a big Flex

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fan, you know. I I
was all about that Adobe Life. Yeah,

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and then uh, Apple had a
say or two about where that was

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going, and uh so I started
looking around for alternatives, and Angueler just

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felt at home as a Flex developer. You know, it's actually developed by

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the exact same guy. So it
was a pretty good transition to moving in

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the HTML world. And I just
got hooked on one dot. Oh and

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I've been pretty much with it ever
since. Cool. So how early and

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one dot oh did you start using
it? That's a great question. My

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my fading memory does not recall the
exact version. Yeah, it was pretty

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early though. I wouldn't say one
dot oh, but it was. It

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was pretty early. Yeah, I
started in two thousand and the end of

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twenty twelve. I think he was
like dot nine. I don't think it

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was one oh yet. I don't
know it was. Why it was it

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was pretty early though, Yeah,
pretty close. Yeah, well cool so

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director of engineering at Shutterstock. And
for anyone who's like, what's Shutterstock,

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it's the people that they have the
watermarks and all the images that you try

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and download from Google searches that shutter
stock. Just in case you forgot much

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bigger than that. Yeah, we
do stock photography. We are one of

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the largest suppliers of stock photography.
But we also do stock videos, okay,

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music, okay, editorial work.
So a lot of times when you're

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looking at magazines are online reports,
the photos of celebrities, are politicians or

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whatever. A lot of that's our
work as well. So, and we

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do a lot of branding work too. So if a big company wants to

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put together a photo shoot for their
product, we help organize that there's a

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bunch more that we do, but
those are sort of the big ones.

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But it is generally around media and
having kind of stock bunches of media that

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people can can use and purchase for
use. Is that true. That's definitely

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our biggest, our biggest segment for
sure. Cool. And then I didn't

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know you guys help organize like photo
shoots and stuff too. That's pretty cool

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man. Here sneaky tentacles doing all
kinds of crazy things. Yeah. No,

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I mean that's the capitalist. The
rule is adapter die right, So

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it sounds like you guys have adapted
into a couple of different veins of the

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space. So that's cool. So
is Shutterstock doing stuff with Angular. That's

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where it gets rough. We don't
touch Angular at all, okay, but

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there is some interesting stuff. I
can't go too much into detail because we're

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still working on it, but there's
some some Cli type things that might be

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wandering their way over to the React
realm. So this is a fairly new

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role for me. I've been there
for eight months or so, so before

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that, I was the architect for
a number of projects doing all Angular work.

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So it's kind of fresh being out
of the Angular world. And I

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definitely miss my friends, like good
Frosty here, Yeah, with you all

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the time. But the React world
is also fantastic with great people in it

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too. Yeah. As we're as
we're recording this, they're recording React cough,

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like we could pop up in the
live stream as we're talking. Oh

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yeah, they were just doing the
announcements on concurrency. It's super exciting stuff.

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I'm really excited to see where that
goes. Yeah. Well cool.

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So it sounds like you architect died
quite a bit of Angular, then.

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I have done a lot of years
of architecture on Angular from one up for

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sure. So what are some of
the I don't know, what are some

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of the things that you're like,
I'm James Spiley, I'm good at this

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in Angular. What are some of
those things that you're like, Hey,

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I learned how to do these things
really well as an architect. I think

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for me it was following best practices
and how to really put together a code

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base. You know, I've known
a lot of the Angular community that sort

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of help put those practices into place
from the early days, John Papa especially,

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you know, being the sort of
foundation of the style guide. I'm

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a big proponent of the style guide, I generally speak speaking from an enterprise

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level, find that even if we
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best solutions, as long as we
come together and acknowledge that that's the thing

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we should follow. Like, the
style Guide's not always going to be perfect,

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and certainly we'll make adjustments per company, per project based off of needs,

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but having that sort of roadmap really
helps developers a lot in terms of

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Okay, I'm going to join a
new company getting up speed fast. If

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I already know that style guide,
I can just hit the ground running.

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I know a lot of how they
do things. I can sort of match,

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you know a lot faster and integrate
a lot quicker. So that was

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actually one of my interview questions for
a long time. It wasn't it wasn't

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to weed people out. It was
more just to sort of feel what their

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familiarity was. So I'd always ask
if they had read the Angular style Guide.

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So let's do some interview here,
so let's see if everyone can get

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a live glimpse of if a frosty
Q pass the Spivy Angular interview. So

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you didn't give me that heads up, because I these days you know,

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the being a manager of the the
questions get very different, right Like now

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my position is much more about how
they'll fit with the team, the culture

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of the personality. So I've had
to adjust my questions a lot. I

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don't do the technical ones as much. I could certainly pull them up.

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I want to see it. Let's
just do it. It's a good learning

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opportunity for the people listening. Put
me on the spot like that. Yeah,

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sorry for putting on the spot,
but we got to do something.

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We'll do a little segment called Interview
Frosty and see if I can pass your

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technically for you. Actually, I
should make that a regular segment. I

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bet people would get a kick out
of watching me fail this. Yeah.

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Sorry, I'm just goin to pull
these up here in a minute, since

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I've even used them. See,
I feel like it's cheating though, because

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I already kind of know what you
know, Like we've talked about it a

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bunch in person, about the stuff
that you were familiar with. So it's

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kind of like I got to ask
you some trick questions. You could trick

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me. You should trick me.
I don't know that I know any good

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trick questions for you though. I
don't even like trick quest I think it's

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unfair in an interview to actually do
trick questions. Uh so let's uh,

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you can find them. Sorry,
I tried. You try, you can't

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find them. It's all right.
Sorry, we don't have to do it

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would have been cool because I just
upgraded to Catalina. I had text Wrangler

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is where I had all of them, and now you can't use text Wrangler

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on Catalina. Really, the one
that I had it needs a I guess

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I gotta find another version that's sixty
four bit compatible or something. Hey folks,

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this is Charles Maxwood, and I
just launched my book, The Maxicoder's

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Guide Defining Your Dream Developer Job.
It's up on Amazon. We self published

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it. I would love your support. If you want to go check it

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out. You can find it there, The Maxicoter's Guide Defining Your Dream Developer

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Job. Have a good one,
max out. All right, bro,

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we we got to make this part
of the podcast not lame. You got

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to ask me one question, all
right. If it stumps me, it's

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better because then the listeners feel vindicated. All right. Uh yeah, I

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feel like I want to go get
away from core. Let's do how do

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you do compound selectors in n gr
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so you just busted me. I
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I'm guessing that there's a create selector
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to, or maybe there's a combined
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selectors. I would guess that's what
I would guess. I don't know if

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the top of my head that seems
like something the front one and you and

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you can even you can even question
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Is that just accumulation of two selectors
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talking about combining selectors from multiple pieces
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Yeah, what do you so?
What do you mean by yeah, let's

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go, what do you mean by
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What do you mean by compound selector? Compound? Yeah? And I I

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typically would just accept two selectors from
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a third selector that pulls from those
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Right. And I'm I'm a big
you know, I'm a big proponent too

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of understanding selectors, because I think
that's the most critical way to pull data

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from in r X. So what
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it when you said okay, so
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create selector and pass it multiple selector
functions. Is that? Is that what

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you're trying to say? Is that
the answer? Yep, that's the answer,

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because that sounds like I'm like a
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of the API, Brandon and Mike
you've made it's super usable and Rob and

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I mean everyone who's been involved,
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just put it on them too,
but that seems to make the most sense.

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I would just pass you two selector
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a lot coming into projects companies,
people don't understand that you can pass selectors

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to selectors, and so you'll tend
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and then you'll go into some components
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every one of those and then doing
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that they're choosing. Yeah, which
is wildly inefficient. Right, Like all

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of your selectors are always mamoist.
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times and reuse when you do stuff
like compound selectors that select off of other

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selectors. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, it is more efficient to use

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selectors instead of just doing your own
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the combind latest is probably just as
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everything is dependent, right, Like, there's no one right answer in anything

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we do in programming. That's why
when it comes to like code exams or

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technical exams, I generally speaking,
you know, I start every interview as

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just saying, hey, this is
supposed to be fun, and get nervous.

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We're not gonna whiteboard. Whiteboards are
silly, Like this is just a

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conversation to see what you think you
know, and then you know, we'll

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write a little code, see where
you go from there. Don't even sweat

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it, right, Like, this
is a good time. Yeah, take

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the stress out of it. So
like wrong answers, you know, I

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asked questions sometimes that I don't even
know the answer too. I'm just curious

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if they do, you know,
and make me something in an interview.

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I was like that approach, you
know, because Google. Google often did

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that, right, you know,
in their early days, their CTO,

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their founders. They would, you
know, they'd go into a meeting room

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and say, teach me something I
don't know and see if you could teach

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them a subject matter they didn't have
any familiarity with and get them excited about

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it. Right, it's actually in
their book. I thought that was really

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interesting, right, Okay, Yeah, I like that. I actually would

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be interested to go into an interview
where someone's like, oh, teach me

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something I don't know. That would
be that would be intense, right,

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It can be interesting. I've been
I've been using that one a little bit

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lately, just out of curiosity for
some people who know, especially more senior

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engineers that have a breadth of knowledge
that probably my domain doesn't fit within.

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You know, everyone knows a little
something different or as a specialist in someone

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something different. So I always find
it intriguing to see, you know,

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what are they really passionate about,
Where they really want to know, where

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they really want me to know,
where they really want to teach me about.

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You know, I've I've had a
couple engineers that are super excited about

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functional programming and want to just tell
me all about the advantages of functional programming.

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And why it's so awesome, and
it's like I always find those really

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intriguing. Yeah. Yeah, when
people get passionate, those those that's when

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you learn as if you're like,
hey, this person clearly cares about this.

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Now it's time to sit down and
get ready to learn. So as

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a manager, how long you been
a manager? Now? Did you say?

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Director? Yeh? Director of engineering
at Shutterstock. Yeah, I've been

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a manager for a fairly decent amount
of time. Now I probably say I've

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been doing it for I don't know, six years or so, you know,

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between previous jobs. I started a
company, I was a CTO for

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a while, did that for a
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to Shutterstock, really enjoying it.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna flip the table

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a little bit and put the pressure
on maybe you sure? So I've been

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really like I just I just spent
the first half of today at a training

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call the including X Project, which
is a training with a company called the

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Inclusion pro and the Black Chamber of
Converse here in Utah. It's all about

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increasing your awareness and ability to promote
inclusivity in the workplace. It was it

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was really good, So let me
ask you as a manager or as a

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say as a leader, so you don't

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have to focus on management because a
lot of the listeners are leaders. As

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a leader, how do you help
promote inclusivity at work? And I'm asking

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that question supposing me and you have
the same definition of inclusivity, So feel

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free to clarify if you're not sure. But I'm supposing we mean the same

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thing when we say that, sure, yeah, I mean inclusivity can have

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a range of topics. I think
for me, it's making anyone regardless of

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race, gender, you know,
orientation, all that sort of stuff,

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making them feel welcome in the workplace. You know, I'm feeling a part

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of the team, and that's actually
really important to me. One of my

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most important hiring rules, one of
the things that will help you get a

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job on my team is not having
a coding ego, just thinking you're always

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right or that you're the rock star
that fixes everything. I put in all

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my job descriptions that we're looking for
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I've got a shirt that says I'm
not a ninja. You know,

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early in my career I kind of
had that attitude. You know, I

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fix all the stuff, I fix
all the problems, and I feel like

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it hurt teams more. You know, I thought it at the time it

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was you know, we got a
product out and made it better, but

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ultimately it just made things more difficult
for everyone involved, right because you're not

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you're not being collaborative, you're not
helping grow others. You're just kind of

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concerned with yourself. And that was
a wrong view. And you know,

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I can't take those things back,
but I can learn from them. And

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so a lot of that is,
you know, trying to get a workforce

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it's more balanced, has different views
that that feels welcome and comfortable to share

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those views, you know, so
that it's not one person that's like,

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got these great views but gets drowned
out because they're not a loud voice and

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so they don't feel comfortable sharing them. So, you know, trying to

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set an environment where that's a that's
an understood that we want to be collaborative,

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that we want to help raise each
other up and build a stronger team.

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From that, I I've been inspired
by a lot of books that I've

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read recently to kind of raise awareness
around inclusivity around making people feel they belong,

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you know, and uh, it's
it's hard to it's hard to do,

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you know. I think it's one
of the harder aspects of software engineering,

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is the communication piece. I mean, I don't think it is.

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The harder part of engineering is the
communication side, clearly the harder part and

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being inclusive, like inheriting places that
aren't as inclusive they should be, trying

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to leave them more inclusive than than
you, you know, than when you

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walked in the door. It's important, but it's also difficult and it's also

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really scary to talk about loud.
What are some of the wins you've experienced

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through your career as far as like
leaving a better legacy of inclusivity. Yeah,

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you know, it's one of those
things that you're always going to work

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on. Like you said, I
think the first step is talking about having

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these types of conversations. You know, we've we've talked about it a bit

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on this Dot Labs podcast too,
and it's about, you know, sort

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of building those connections for us.
You know, can be anything, right

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Like obviously you know, I've I've
worked with and been a friend of Tracy

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for a long time. And I
really live by her model of you change

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the ratio. I believe heavily in
that. So some of that has come

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from hiring, you know, like
getting wins where we get people to stop

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just thinking there's one type of coder
that we're looking for, and you can

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be small things, you know,
like I'm not going to name names,

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but you know, the company had
a problem with ordering just Uni sex you

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know, T shirts and it you
know, doesn't fit everyone right, and

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so you were like, well,
can we get some female cut you know,

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that would be a really big win, and just hammering and hammering and

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hammering on that, saying it,
saying it, saying it, you know,

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and trying to push for let's let's
have stuff for everybody's body type,

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you know, and that was that
We got that, and I was really

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happy about that. Adventures and Any
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I think it's a thing that more
leaders in software engineering need to focus on.

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I like that you are willing to
talk about it because it can be

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scary. I just kind of pulled
it out and put you on the spot

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for it. My hope is that
more leaders, regardless of where they're from,

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what they look like, act like, where they spend their holidays or

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not, any of the diversity backgrounds
that they might have or don't have.

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My hope is that leaders can own
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engineer needs to expand to include that, and it needs to expand to include

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culture, because culture, you know, once you when you're a junior engineer,

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you're kind of drinking out of the
firehouse, right, and you're kind

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of barely able to focus on your
own tickets and what you're being assigned,

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right, and you don't you're still
learning how how to even talk to the

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designer, Like you're still just learning
your job for like largely, right,

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And then once you get into it, you're kind of now graduated to mid

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and you're able to focus on your
own stuff, and you're also able to

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start being aware of other people's stuff
even though you don't affect it as much.

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But then when you're senior, you're
you're now you're looking at your own

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team and you're kind of focusing on
your whole team. True, yeah,

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And I think that that part of
that focus isn't just on the technical side.

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We also need to focus on is
if I'm on James's team, is

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James welcome here? Is is Jim's
welcoming others here? Right? Like?

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Those the both of those aspects,
And so I think I think that the

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senior engineer role does need to expand
generally to include these kind of I think

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at the top leadership, a CEO, a CTO, based at the bar

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for what a culture looks like,
and then that trickles down, you know,

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and every level can adjust some of
that and try to maybe push back

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on it if they want to.
But you know, everyone's responsible for making

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an inclusive environment where people feel safe
to challenge ideas and bring new ones and

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not scare people out of the industry
or or have too loud a voice.

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And that's that's an art form that
all of us could always be better at.

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You know. I'm I'm always learning
both from my mistakes, from other

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people's mistakes and just in general about
as you said, you know, taking

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opportunities to go to conferences or or
workshops and just learn what it means.

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And you know, and I don't
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define it really that well because of
the fact that it's constantly evolving in my

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head how to be inclusive and think
about being inclusive. Yeah, Like,

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if someone's like, hey, bullet
points on how to make things inclusive,

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it's tough to make a checklist,
right, you could, I could defind

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some things. But inclusivity is it's
just a way of It's just a way.

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It's not necessarily a bunch of boxes
you can check. Yep. Not

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everyone's going to agree with it,
but you know the fact that we try,

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right, Like, I think that's
why so many people really respect the

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work you do with Jie comf.
Right is that it's supposed to be a

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conference that's truly inclusive. Right,
it's the angular community can feel safe together,

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learn together, challenge ideas together,
and grow together, as opposed to

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like, this doesn't feel like a
safe place for me to be and I

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don't want to be. And you
know, I think Angie comp is well

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renowned for being inclusive and wanting people
to be there to learn and share it

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in that together, which is always
awesome. You know. I think that's

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a really awesome fact of what you
guys do. Yeah, I think it's

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cool to go somewhere you've never been
with a group of people you don't know

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and feel welcome, right, Like, have an interaction, and by the

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time it's the first night's over and
it's dinner time, you're like, Hey,

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where are we going for dinner with
your new friends that you you you've

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known for less than three hours,
right, I like, I really really

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appreciate about a lot of the different
communities I'm the part of, and I

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think the angy of the community is
one of them. So yeah, you

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know, my first time attending injin
comp, I was still in the one

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dot zero self taught days. You
know, I wanted to learn more about

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what this you know, two dot
zo thing was, and Dan Wallin and

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John were doing their workshop, and
I was like, I'll take that,

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you know, and I've I've been
friends with those guys and and you know,

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all of you with Angry Angular family
ever since. You know that that

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one conference changed a lot about how
I viewed Angular and the people that were

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in it, and I made you
know, some lifelong friends out of that.

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So it was a really special experience. And conferences in generally, you

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know, the in Atlanta is just
such a great, great conference for being

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inclusive and talking about it and meeting
new friends and lifetime friends and so many

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others. I mean, there's I
could list them for for days probably.

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Yeah, well cool, you're in
the Colorado area? Am I right in

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the Denver area? Okay? So
if anyone, if anyone in your in

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your area wants to kind of reach
out, get in touch with you,

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ask for help, ask for advice, or anything else find out about what's

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going on a shuldar stock. What's
the best way to get in touch with

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you? Twitter? Uh, you
know, I'm happy to contact with you

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on Twitter. You can also add
me on LinkedIn. I had a lot

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of people on LinkedIn. I love
mentorships, So there's you know a number

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of people have reached out to me
to just say, hey, can you

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kind of tell me like how you
got there and stuff. I can think

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about things I can do, and
you know, I'm happy to do that.

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I love doing that, so I
think that would be awesome. So

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share your your my Spivey on Twitter. Is that you right? M y

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s P I V E y Yep. Can you guess why my handle is

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that way? My spiy with my
little eye. I don't know. Yeah,

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I have no idea. It's an
old school throwback to the early Windows

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days. I couldn't think of a
username, and my last name was taken

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and I saw my computer he used
to be Remember, it is all just

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my computer on Windows, and so
I changed it to my spiby and that

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just kind of stuck and it became
a thing. Yeah, it's largely available.

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Yeah, I've never had to compete
for it, thankfully. Yeah,

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it's not even get into that always
the whole podcast on competing for my name?

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All right, baby, yep,
that's cool. All right, So

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anyone questions reach out to James my
Spivey on Twitter. Let's move on to

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picks. I have a pick.
It's pretty simple. React Coff we've mentioned

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is going on right now and there
is uh the MC. Her name is

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Devin Lindsay, Devon Lindsay. Anyway, her suit that she's wearing to MC

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and that is my pick. She
has a pretty posh looking suit, but

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it's pac Man Maze. Nice Ghosts
and the pac Man. So I'm picking

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the Valnz's mc attire for reacting off
That is my pick. Nice. I

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will share picks in the show notes
if you want to see. Yeah,

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you got to pick anything you could
pick and share with the with the podcast.

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I think one of the things I'm
most excited about right now is that

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Basil Onondato just got released. I
think that's a big step. You know,

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Alex Eagle and everyone at Google that's
been working really hard on that.

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That's going to be a super sweet
tool that I think a lot of people

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in the industry are really going to
like. You know, I know there's

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like Pants and some of the other
ones, but Basil basles my jam.

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I'm a Google guy through and through, so I'm excited. Yeah. So

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a guy actually on my team Hero
Devs. One of the guys on my

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team, you know, Jorge.
I don't think I know him. Awesome,

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So yeah, Jorge, he just
finished writing his book on Basil and

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we're working at translated into English.
He wrote it in Spanish, so that's

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cool. I'm a exvan of Basil
as well. So anyway, James,

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appreciate you coming on the show.
Thanks for chatting and sharing some of your

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knowledge in the industry. And to
the listeners, I will say thanks for

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