1 00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:22,160 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky, 2 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,519 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:29,760 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST. 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,439 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts, and of course to 5 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,640 the premium version of our website as well. We are joined today by Karen 6 00:00:37,679 --> 00:00:41,240 Lipps, who has a new book out. It's called You're Not Alone, 7 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:46,479 The Conservative Woman's Guide to College, a very timely topic of course right now. 8 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,320 Karen is the president of the Network for Enlightened Women, which has chapters 9 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:54,399 all over the country. Karen, thank you so much for joining us. 10 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:57,399 Emily, it's great to be with you. Thanks so much for having me. 11 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:00,039 Yeah. Absolutely, And you know again, and I just mentioned this, 12 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:03,359 but the timing for this book, You're Not Alone, The Conservative Woman's 13 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:06,719 Guide to College, that's what it's called. Again. It's out. You 14 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:11,680 can go get your copy right now. It's really coming out at a critical 15 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,879 moment in academia. And Karen, you've been involved in this world for a 16 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,439 really long time. I want to just ask you know, we're in the 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,359 days after that disastrous hearing in front of Congress with the presidents of Penn, 18 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:29,599 MIT and Harvard. Does something feel different to you after October seventh, after 19 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,439 the hearing, you've sort of had Democrats and Republicans suddenly very upset about what's 20 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:38,599 happening in college campuses. I've seen people actually circulating for Reid Zakaria segment about 21 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,799 what needs to happen to college campuses, which is kind of fascinating to hear 22 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:48,319 it coming from somebody like Foraried Zakaria over at CNN, Does anything feel different 23 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:49,719 to you right now? As somebody who's observed us for a long time, 24 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,719 and Ley, I'm so glad you brought this up because I'm now so happy 25 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,560 that some people seem to be paying attention to what's happened on our college campuses. 26 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,719 It seems like for so long there's been you know, we'll hear stories 27 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:07,079 from our students about things happening, and sometimes they might get you know, 28 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,879 a little like firework of attention where they'll be like a day of stories. 29 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,319 But it's like, finally, you know, these donors who are pulling out 30 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:19,520 their dollars. You know, the donors are now paying attention, which we 31 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:23,240 hope will provide some accountability. And then with the congressional hearing, you see 32 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:30,439 the general public profoundly, you know, disappointed with the presidents of these universities, 33 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:34,319 and they're now paying attention. So that's what we need. I think 34 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:40,159 higher education would benefit from more people paying attention to what's happening there instead of 35 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:44,800 these sort of one off stories. But really seeing you know, this is 36 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:51,960 a widespread problem. I think these universities lack true leadership, They lack of 37 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,719 a lot of a lot of accountability, which would be good for them. 38 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:00,360 So I'm hoping that this will at least at least a little bit get people 39 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:05,199 paying attention more so then there can be some some broader changes. Because we 40 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,800 have to remember, right, the president of u Penn Liz McGill, who's 41 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,319 actually one of my professors at UVA Law School when I was there. Oh 42 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,919 wow, oh my god. Yes, it's fun fact I took administrative law 43 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,719 from her. Uh So it's been it's kind of weird to see your law 44 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:28,560 school professor on SNL. But anyway, so that's right, they did. 45 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:31,719 They did it SNL this weekend. That's right. Yes, it's interesting to 46 00:03:31,759 --> 00:03:36,479 see. Okay, like all of these presidents, you know, were chosen 47 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,960 by a board of directors, so it's not one off, right, Like, 48 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:46,560 there's larger institutional problems and forces at work that really need to be addressed. 49 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,280 And your book really gets into the social pressures, which I think is 50 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,479 very interesting. And obviously you work with young women, and I think some 51 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,919 of this advice too probably does apply to young men, maybe in different contexts 52 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:03,199 or with the renewance or something like that. But you deal with the social 53 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,360 pressures, and you you talk to young women on college campuses, women preparing 54 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,199 to enter college campuses, who are thinking a lot about this, And I 55 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:15,919 just that's a really important point and I'm really glad that you deal with it 56 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,279 because a lot of people think that they me in some ways this is just 57 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:23,480 relegated to the classroom. You know, this is this is just maybe you're 58 00:04:23,519 --> 00:04:28,439 in a you have a rogue biology professor who starts going off on climate change 59 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:32,319 or race or whatever it is, and you're just in you know, you're 60 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:35,680 an engineering student, you're a pre med or something like that, and this 61 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:40,480 is you know, your exposure. But all of this stuff actually really does 62 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,399 affect people on a sort of person to person, individual basis. And the 63 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:49,040 social pressures are really powerful. Can you describe a little bit about what that's 64 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,199 like for you know, your average young conservative on a campus and young conservative 65 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:58,000 women on a college campus, and how that probably does push a lot of 66 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,879 people away from conservatism over the time. On campus. Social pressure is real 67 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,879 on campus and it hits from so many different angles. So, as you 68 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:12,800 mentioned to Emily, you know, we hear stories about faculty members, you 69 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,800 know, being biased on campus, and so you've got it from the faculty. 70 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,600 That was interesting as a few years ago a study came out showing that 71 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:27,399 actually the fact the administrators are even there's even more of a difference between conservative 72 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:31,240 and liberals among administrators, the ratio being twelve to one. So you've got 73 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:38,240 the administrators, which that's a segment of college populations that's growing dramatically, and 74 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,360 then you've got the student pressure. And what we've seen the last few years 75 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,920 is that we've heard from a number of our students on campus that it seems 76 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,519 like the students like being the censors themselves. So we've had a couple instances 77 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,279 where one of our chapters or as soon to be chapter, a group of 78 00:05:56,319 --> 00:06:00,319 women have gone to their student government tried to get approval and their students have 79 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,959 shut it down and they've not given their approval. A great example of this 80 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,680 is at Southern Methodist University in Texas. We had three students go try to 81 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,079 get approval and part of the reason they were denied is the other students said 82 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:18,720 there were other women's groups on campus. So basically their assumption is that all 83 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,600 women's groups think the same, so if we already have some, we don't 84 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,720 need this one. And that's the whole problem, right, is that they 85 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,079 assume that there's one way to think and one correct women's group out there. 86 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:35,120 So that's why I was excited to write this book, You're Not Alone, 87 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:39,399 The Conservative Woman's Guide to College, because one of the things I do in 88 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:44,399 it is identify all these different pressure points and then try to give young women 89 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,519 tools for how to deal with them. So, for example, I include 90 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,680 an essay from one of our star students in the Network of Enlightened Women. 91 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:58,360 She went to American University, Abby Daniels. She writes about how she leads 92 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,120 with her personality, not with their politics, and how that was a successful 93 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,800 strategy for her. Whereas I've got another story from a student who talks about 94 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:12,439 how she wears all her conservative gear all the time and has been identified as 95 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,839 the conservative girl on campus and has definitely lost friends. But it's also that's 96 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:18,800 almost been a way for her to attract more friends that she's willing to speak 97 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:23,759 up, and so then other people who are silent sort of gravitate towards her. 98 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,879 So in this book, I just encourage readers to be intentional with their 99 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,279 choices, to be aware of the pressures that are out there, and then 100 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:33,279 come up with a strategy for how they want to deal with them, because 101 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:39,120 it really is a tornador of social pressure on college campuses these days for conservative 102 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,920 young women. Yeah, very very interesting, and I actually, Karen, 103 00:07:43,959 --> 00:07:46,439 I think it might be helpful if you could tell us a little bit about 104 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,759 your background and the background of the Network of Enlightened Women, So why you 105 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:57,879 started it and what you've maybe seen change in academia since you have been so 106 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:03,879 focused on brain change to academia you mentioned earlier, You're glad people are tuning 107 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,879 in to the insanity that plays out every day on GOSH campuses. Now. 108 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:11,759 I have to imagine that sort of maddening to see people suddenly realize we have 109 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,160 a problem after decades of this and after you've spent so long trying to be 110 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,199 a part of the solution here, but just tell us, take us back 111 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:24,600 a little bit to why you started new and what things were like when you 112 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,519 were addressing the problem, and how things maybe have changed. I started New 113 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,159 when I was a student at the University of Virginia. I had come out 114 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:41,279 to UVA from Indiana and wanted to build those friend groups and figure out the 115 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:46,159 social scene there. And actually went to a College Republicans meeting when I was 116 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:52,120 a student, and I very clearly remembered that one of the leaders, a 117 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:56,759 male. He had talked about how he had already bought his website the domain 118 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:03,240 name for twenty years out for him running for office Classic UVA, which was 119 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:07,039 a little funny, but it was I say this because you know, I 120 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,559 went to other meetings and enjoyed the experience, but it wasn't quite the experience 121 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:16,000 that I was looking for where I really wanted to discuss policy, discuss the 122 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:22,639 ideas, and get into the nuance. And I spent a summer in Washington, 123 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,120 d C. Interning for Senator Luger from my home stadium Indiana, and 124 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:31,279 really enjoyed that experience, and after that was motivated to try to find a 125 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,000 group of women who wanted to talk about the issues of the day and really 126 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,759 get behind the policy and figure out, you know, why certain groups of 127 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:45,000 people think different differently and the same, and why things are a little more 128 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:48,000 complicated, right, Like, there's not just one or two views out there. 129 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:50,679 There's lots of people that disagree on issues for different reasons, and they 130 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:56,960 agree on some and disagree on on others others. And so I looked around 131 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,039 on campus. There were lots of different clubs. Nothing in the database kind 132 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:05,039 of jumped at me as the right fit. I looked on the websites of 133 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,240 other schools to see if there was some national organization that I could start a 134 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,720 chapter of. There wasn't. And one day, on my way home from 135 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:18,440 class Emily, I walked by the Women's Center at UVA, which I imagine 136 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:20,879 you might think, oh, no, like, you know where this is 137 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:24,200 going, But as a college student, I didn't write like. I saw 138 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,519 a building called the Women's Center, and I thought, Okay, I'm a 139 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,200 woman, I want to start something for women. Let me go there and 140 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:37,320 see what their programs are. I scheduled a meeting with a faculty member there. 141 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,600 She took me around and was friendly, but I really got the sense 142 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,000 they were pushing, you know, a feminist, a leftist feminist agenda. 143 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,759 But I thought, this is the women's center I should try. We're at 144 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:54,639 a public university. So at the end I ask, would you be interested 145 00:10:54,919 --> 00:11:01,240 in co sponsoring a new group for conservative women. She just looked at me 146 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:09,440 like I was crazy, chuckled and said not here. Yeah, it's a 147 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,879 women's center at a public university, right, Like that's that's not the response 148 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:16,799 that should happen. So then I decided, Okay, you know, there's 149 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,879 not something like this out there. Either it's been tried and it's failed, 150 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,879 or for some reason, maybe no one's tried to organize conservative women on campus. 151 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:30,759 So I started the Network of Enlightened Women or KNEW as it has become 152 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:33,919 known as a book club at the time, to really focus on some of 153 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:39,960 the ideas that are left off college sillabai and have those discussions. And so 154 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,720 started with a group of women at UVA and with six within six months, 155 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,440 some students that William and Mary heard about it wanted to get a chapter started, 156 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,320 and then it just spread you know, one chapter at a time, 157 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,720 and I worked on it, you know, for fun while I was in 158 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:56,279 college, and then I went straight to law school at EVA as well, 159 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,840 and so also worked on it then. And then it's just continue to grow 160 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:05,120 and fast forward. We're now on over fifty college campuses around the country. 161 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,799 We've done events with Mickey Haley and Marsha Blackburn and Dana Perino and you know, 162 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,759 leaders in the conservative movement really gotten the word out there and created this 163 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,159 robust community for young women, which I think is just so important because of 164 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,679 all of that pressure that we've discussed earlier. You know, Yeah, that 165 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:31,960 is really interesting because I think people for a long time dismissed the campus issue 166 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,879 as a curiosity. You know, this's just sort of like everything is. 167 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,399 Campuses are liberal. We're taking this for granted. You know, teachers lean 168 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:46,720 left and kids go through, you know, their sort of freshman dorm socialism 169 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:50,200 phase on their campus, and they go into the real world, the so 170 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:54,039 called real world, and they see what the government takes out of your paycheck, 171 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,600 and you know, they start to think differently and vote differently. But 172 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,120 that's really not what's been happening. And you've sort of had a front row 173 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,919 seat to that. And I want to ask just especially about young women. 174 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,120 There's a New Yorker cover that came out in the middle of the pandemic that 175 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:13,399 it was so I think about it all the time. Actually it was a 176 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,519 young woman in front of her laptop on like a zoom happy hour, but 177 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,759 you could see the floor was just littered with trash. There was an empty 178 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:26,960 pill bottle, she was drinking a martini. Her apartment was just a mess, 179 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,200 and it was basically just, you know, this is the sad reality. 180 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,080 And I thought it was really interesting they made it a woman, They 181 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,600 made the character and the drawing a woman, because I think a lot of 182 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:41,480 this has been felt so acutely by young women. That's not to dismiss men. 183 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,480 There's obviously, you know, a balance, and everything that happens to 184 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,759 young women is you know, then reflected into the challenges that young men face. 185 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:58,879 But how has this especially changed the world for young women who are getting 186 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:05,480 the college educations and moving into the working world but come through this like four 187 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:11,120 year filter of essentially like unadulterated feminism at this point. Well, I think 188 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:16,159 you're right that for some they see campus life as kind of this curiosity. 189 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:20,320 I'm like, oh, students will go there, there's kind of some odd 190 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,440 things happening, some controversies, but then like you go back to the real 191 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,799 world. But I think when I've seeing in broader society, that's not what's 192 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:33,519 happening. What's happening is the students are taking the lessons they learn from campus, 193 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:37,559 and then they're trying to change the workplace to fit the life that they 194 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:41,639 had on campus, right, or to change society and remake society to what 195 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,480 it's like on campus. So I think these campuses aren't a phase that people 196 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:52,120 just pass through, but for many they profoundly change who they are, how 197 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,679 they think about things, how they want to interact with others in the world, 198 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:03,200 and then that can lead to much larger societal consequences. In the book, 199 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:07,320 I include a story about a young woman, Annabella Rockwell, who went 200 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,039 to Mount Holyoke and talks about during her time there, she was indoctrinated essentially 201 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,159 by a professor who talked about the patriarchy and how she was a victim. 202 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:24,159 And she came out of school as self diagnosed as depressed, and she was 203 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:30,200 drinking a lot, and her mom ended up hiring a three hundred dollars a 204 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:33,480 day coach to help her get her daughter sort of out of this, and 205 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:39,039 it really took a lot of effort to do so. Now our daughter writes 206 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,279 about this and how she's emerged and how these campuses are such a problem. 207 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:46,639 I think that's just one case, and maybe a more extreme case than some 208 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,360 face. But what these women face on campuses is impacting them and then in 209 00:15:52,399 --> 00:16:00,440 turn impacting larger society. Emily include a whole chapter on institutions what I would 210 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:06,480 consider like harmless sounding names, but are often where a lot of this kind 211 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,159 of change in thinking is pushed on students. One is women's centers, which 212 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:18,000 I mentioned. Another is women's studies departments. You would think I remember actually 213 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,320 going and sitting in on a women's studies department class at the beginning of one 214 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,840 semester, thinking like, oh, this would be kind of interesting, like 215 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,799 again, I'm a woman, I'd be interested in learning more, and how 216 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,440 those are not really academic departments at many universities but are really pushing an activist 217 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:38,639 agenda, and so I think those are one that students should watch out for. 218 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:44,559 And then even things like leadership programs. I include a story from a 219 00:16:44,559 --> 00:16:48,759 student where she talks about how they had everybody identify, you know, how 220 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:53,799 they might be victims in society, and it was really focused on that and 221 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,559 how some of these programs are kind of just pushing this agenda in a mindset 222 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:03,240 on college students about how they view their place in society and view others. 223 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:07,480 So I think that it's just there's just a lot of forces pushing women left. 224 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,559 And so that's why something that we're doing and new and then with this 225 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,480 book is trying to give that community and counteract some of that pressure, which 226 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,880 might seem again is like one offs here and there, but when you're facing 227 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,920 it basically you know, almost everywhere on campus or it feels like that, 228 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,920 it can really really change you. And I think this larger kind of force 229 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,519 about women feeling like they're victims on campus, it's fascinating. Women now make 230 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:41,119 up almost sixty percent of college students on campus, and not only does that 231 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,519 change a little bit of the kind of social atmosphere on these campuses, but 232 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:49,279 also they're dominating them. And a lot of the professors are now women who've 233 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:53,079 come out of women's studies departments and some of these other departments and so I 234 00:17:53,119 --> 00:18:02,160 think it's it's changing the feel of campuses in a bad way and on campus, 235 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,720 like the politics and the sort of indoctrination, the ideology that is transmitted 236 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:11,799 just in like your example is so good in leadership programs, all of that 237 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,920 stuff. It's also so personal because it's about you know, sexual ethics, 238 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:22,480 it's about all of these different it's about marriage and children and family, and 239 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:30,200 these political viewpoints are affecting women's personal lives. And a lot of ambitious young 240 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,720 women who lean right and go to college. You probably want to work your 241 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,279 ten years from lean In now, you know. I think that was released 242 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:41,880 in twenty thirteen, and there's sort of some ten year reflections look backs on 243 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:47,799 looks back on Cheryl Sandberg's book Lean In, and I think that's kind of 244 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:52,720 still a muddled message for some you know, educated ambitious young women go to 245 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,039 college, maybe lean right. I want to have a family, also want 246 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:00,680 to work. And Karen, I know you you deal a lot in that 247 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,440 space. What advice do you give you young women who are getting so much 248 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,759 mixed messaging on campus and in society about you know, what their what their 249 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:18,599 sort of goals in life should be One of the messages young women on campus 250 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,519 get is to you know, focus on that career. And so in this 251 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:26,200 book I purposely put in some content about you know, other aspects of life 252 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,039 and how those are important too, and that college women should think about those. 253 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,839 So one is in picking your college major. I think, I don't 254 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:37,599 know how you picked your college major, but I remember lots of friends picking 255 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,119 college majors or majors for I would say a variety of reasons, right, 256 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,039 Like some you know, knew exactly what they wanted to do, pick their 257 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:49,440 major made sense. Others it seemed it was more focused on like class times 258 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:55,839 or a favorite professor or something. And so I really encourage in the book, 259 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,039 you know, and lay out some different different strategies on how you pick 260 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,240 a major. But you know, you could look at things like career earnings. 261 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,240 I think that's fair. You want to maximize earnings, but also look 262 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:10,079 at what kind of life a major might end up leading to. So, 263 00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:14,960 for example, you know, teachers have summers off, so you know, 264 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,799 I think for moms like that can be that can be a good route. 265 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:22,759 Also, flexibility in the workplace, say, after I've had kids, I 266 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,720 value flexibility more. If someone the example I include is if you're interested in 267 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:32,480 communications and you're thinking, oh, I want to be a journalist, you 268 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:37,119 know, covering breaking news, that's going to be a much less flexible career 269 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,319 than somebody using their communication skills to work for, you know, companies where 270 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:48,440 you have more like set project deadlines generally, So thinking through about Okay, 271 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,519 how do you pick a major that might set you up for the life and 272 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,960 the flexibility that you want or the on ramping and off ramping. There's some 273 00:20:56,079 --> 00:21:00,880 careers that it's easier to go in and out of than others. Right, 274 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,400 I appreciate that To the federalists, I know you've got a lot of women 275 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:10,720 writers, too many, too many, but you know, giving women the 276 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:15,640 opportunity who and moms who want to write that sometimes want to do a part 277 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,440 time or in different seasons of life. So I think finding a way to 278 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:23,759 develop skills that will translate into the life you want is important and something we 279 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:29,279 should be talking about more. And I also include We've got I've got a 280 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:33,000 section on personal advancement, so that includes you know, how do you land 281 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:37,400 that dream internship and job. To think it's great, We've got a student 282 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,720 who actually got hired in the state based think tank, the Goldwater Institute, 283 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,400 and have someone who hired her and her both voices there so you can hear 284 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,440 both sides, but then also have a chapter on relationships and include the voice 285 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:56,039 of one of our students and new on and she's now engaged. You know 286 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:00,880 what advice does does she have? And I also interviewed Brad will Hawks who 287 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:06,440 has a book on marriage about his advice. So I think having those conversations 288 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,640 more is important to young women and will will lead to say more meaningful and 289 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,039 more fulfilling lives later. You know, it shouldn't just all be focused on 290 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:22,200 academics, right, And do young women ever almost feel guilty? Do they 291 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,839 sort of need to for even thinking about that? In your experience, I 292 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,480 know you work with a lot of girls who are conservative and from conservative backgrounds, 293 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:32,880 but I know you also, you know, interact with girls who are 294 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,400 not just from those backgrounds. But are you know, in some ways dissatisfied 295 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,720 with what they're hearing and are curious to hear the other side of the story. 296 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,680 And I wonder if you know there's some maybe like deprogramming that has to 297 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:48,279 happen for young women that you'll realize they're in a really meaningful relationship, or 298 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,720 or realize that they want children but have sort of been you know, directed 299 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:59,920 towards the Sheryl Sandberg model, or directed towards the you know, high power 300 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,119 career this is what matters model. Is that a problem, you know, 301 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:10,880 when you're trying to navigate help students navigate the kind of questions about what their 302 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,400 future after college looks like. It's fascinating to me, Emily that when we 303 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:21,000 will hold we hold a leadership retreat for our top leaders across the country and 304 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:25,319 often we want to include you know, some really detailed policy talks about the 305 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:30,240 issues of the day. But we've found over the years that one of the 306 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,440 talks that a lot of the women really respond to and great really high our 307 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:38,240 talks on the issue of, you know, how do you balance work in 308 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,680 family life? What advice do you have on that? And so that's something 309 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:47,039 that we try to you know, find a spot on our agenda this year 310 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:51,039 and have to each year and have discussions about because our women find it so 311 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,759 for refreshing because it's not something that they're hearing on their college campuses and it's 312 00:23:55,839 --> 00:24:02,480 not sort of the normal programming that they'll get when they go to conferences or 313 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:07,640 follow social media accounts about empowerment and how they can succeed. In women, 314 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:14,799 it seems like in the larger I would say, women's feminist movement, it's 315 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:18,759 just missing, right, Like you're more focused on the career and what's going 316 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:23,559 on there and in how society can support your career by, for example, 317 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:27,960 maybe like providing more resources like childcare, but it's not focused on, Okay, 318 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:33,240 how do you find the balance that you want as a woman as a 319 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,759 mom, and how do you set yourself up for that? And quite frankly, 320 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,799 I mean, it's hard and it's tricky, but I don't think that 321 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,680 should prevent us from talking about it. I think it should actually encourage more 322 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:48,759 discussion of it. So we have found in our campus talks and programming that 323 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:53,480 we embrace those conversations and lead those conversations in a lot of way, a 324 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,319 lot of ways. And one thing I'll mention is what I found fascinating is 325 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:03,640 that one thing I noticed amount ung more progressive feminist college women is that I 326 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,079 don't think they're willing to accept the trade offs and decisions that all people, 327 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,640 not just women, have to make. I gave a talk at the University 328 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,640 of Pittsburgh a while ago and was talking about the wage gap and this idea 329 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:22,440 that is promoted by the left that women only earn eighty four cents for every 330 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:27,359 dollar a man makes. The challenge with their narrative is that if you actually 331 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,400 look into this Census Bureau data, you'll see that it's not comparing a woman 332 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,559 and a man in the same job and doesn't take into account a lot of 333 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,119 labor choices like number of hours worked, commute times, fields of study, 334 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,759 you know, risk of death or injury in a job. So these factors 335 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:55,759 that really matter in an employees compensation. And I remember I was kind of 336 00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:59,000 getting kind of the looks, right, Like, Emily, you've spoken on 337 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:00,519 campus, you can sort of tell and the audience you sometimes get those looks. 338 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,960 So you're like, Okay, I think that's probably a progressive student's rolling 339 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,559 your eyes at me. So I ask her what is your major? And 340 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,519 she just tried to ignore it, and so I pressed and then she said 341 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:14,720 it and we had to get into this dialogue where I said, okay, 342 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:22,039 so do you think she assumed that women are getting paid less because our women 343 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:27,799 should get paid more and that they are getting pushed into choosing lower paying majors 344 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,720 and that's why there's some wage gap. So I ask her, like, 345 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:36,480 are you getting pushed into choosing a gender studies major? And she said no. 346 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,160 So it just like didn't make sense that she assumes other women are getting 347 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,000 pushed but she's not. And it just seemed to me a disconnect between understanding 348 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:47,440 trade offs, right, Like, I don't recommend anybody become a women's studies 349 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,359 major, but if they want to, they can go for that, and 350 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,039 they just need to accept that, you know, that's less valuable in the 351 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:57,480 workplace than say an engineering major, and so understand embrace those trade offs, 352 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:03,680 right. It's funny, And so I think what we see just generally among 353 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,680 young progressive feminists is kind of a disconnect in these trade offs and sort of 354 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:15,039 understanding, and that translates beyond campus and beyond just your decision on college major 355 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,039 into things like what is your career? And you know, when you pick 356 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:23,319 certain careers, how is that going to influence family life? And I'd love 357 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:29,359 to see in the modern feminist movement a better understanding of these trade offs and 358 00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:33,480 how things all fit together and how the choices you make can really make a 359 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000 difference. They can open doors, they can also close doors. Right, 360 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:38,200 they can make some things easier, something's harder. I don't know, Emily, 361 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:45,160 have you seen this in your campus experience or in conversations with younger feminists. 362 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,039 Well, this is another question I wanted to ask you because I remember, 363 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,240 you know, ten years ago, hearing people talk about millennials like and 364 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,839 this happens with every generation, you know, like it's just totally the population 365 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,519 of a foreign country. People have to translate, you know, millennial speak 366 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,279 to you know, the exers and the boomers, and it was as a 367 00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:08,640 millennial, it was very sort of amusing constantly to see this news coverage about 368 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:14,160 what millennials think and what millennials are like. So that's a preface because I'm 369 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,799 about to do that to gen Z. And I'm really curious for you because 370 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,240 one thing that I see more and more of is actually just this. It's 371 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,720 almost sad, but it's kind of bittersweet in that people, students, young 372 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,880 people seem to increasingly be aware that they're missing something. And I don't know 373 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,039 if it was COVID, I don't know what it was, but it seems 374 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:42,119 like there's curiosity and that might sound odd in the wake of October seventh and 375 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:49,480 seeing some really kind of hardened opinions on Palestine and Israel and all of that. 376 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,279 At the same time, though, I think really on like questions of 377 00:28:53,519 --> 00:29:00,680 sex and sexuality and men and women and all of that, I notice is 378 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,759 just kind of more open mindedness. And that's again it sounds weird, but 379 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,480 I think it comes from, you know, people maybe present as very liberal 380 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,960 and very progressive, but they also you have sort of a different approach. 381 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,440 There was this BuzzFeed article a couple of years ago about how gen Z was 382 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,720 sort of souring on what was the particular phrase they used. It was like 383 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,279 the sexual revolution, so something like that. They were you know, rethinking 384 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:37,000 things like birth control and especially things like you promiscuity, that this was something 385 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,920 that was really becoming weighing heavily on the minds of a lot of really young 386 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,720 gen Z women. And so again, maybe people are presenting as very progressive, 387 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,519 but then under the surface, it seems to me like they're also because 388 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,880 they feel like something's off. They feel like they've been served up so much 389 00:29:52,880 --> 00:30:00,759 propaganda that they're also just imbibing an endless stream of Wikipedia articles and YouTube videos 390 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:06,079 and tiktoks about different opinions because the media has been so democratized now. I 391 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:07,680 don't know if that sounds familiar to you at all, or if you would 392 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,680 do this way more than I do. So I don't know if you have 393 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,599 a different take or if that sounds right or wrong. Well, I mean 394 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,519 where I've seen this is some of the TikTok trends on, like the lazy 395 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:22,720 girl jobs. Have you seen this? Oh? Yeah, that is hilarious. 396 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:30,240 They're posting about how bragging in a way about how easy their jobs are. 397 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,400 And in a way, there's like a glimmer of me thinking, Okay, 398 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,799 they're realizing that not all their self worth should come from their job, 399 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:41,720 not all their value comes from their jobs. So that's a good thing. 400 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,559 But at the same time, I don't know about you, but I am 401 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:52,000 so thankful that in my twenties, before I had children, that I traveled 402 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:55,720 and went to a lot of events and did those things where I developed relationships, 403 00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:59,640 developed skills. I remember traveling to South Carolina for a weekend into a 404 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,920 polics speaking workshop, like you know, really investing that time, where now 405 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,319 with young children, it would be really hard to do that. So I'm 406 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:15,480 not sure if the solution to maybe like girl bossing too hard is to then 407 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,119 have the pendulum swing, you know, way the other way and have it 408 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,559 be oh, let's be like lazy girls, and let's find like the easiest 409 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,680 job we can do, and and even worse, you found the job and 410 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,960 now you're going to post about it online. I mean, if I was 411 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:33,640 the boss, I would not be happy about that. But it just seems 412 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,599 like, okay, so maybe they're realizing a little bit something's the same. 413 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,839 But I might of course correct that strategy a little bit of figuring out, 414 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,480 Okay, how do you find a job that you know it soul filling, 415 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,039 it gives you, gives you a chance to do other things in life, 416 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,160 but you're not just going for like the easiest thing out there. But I 417 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,119 think you're right that we are seeing some differences with gen Z and so, 418 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,920 you know, as an organization, we're trying to, you know, do 419 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,279 some things a little bit differently to reach reach a new generation that's that's emerging 420 00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:07,039 on campuses. Well, I think that's also kind of what's scary is that 421 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,759 these there might be this kind of vague sense that something's off that you know, 422 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,319 maybe people need to, like consumers make fun of like girl boss culture 423 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:21,559 and all of that. Like it's and reasonably so to an extent, and 424 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,000 they found it all very amusing. But at the same time that's also what's 425 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,960 scary, because I was just going to ask you about, you know, 426 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,799 the University of Michigan, after everything's been kind of exposed post October seventh, 427 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:38,599 is reportedly already investing more in DEI program. So, like, the solution 428 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,960 is, you know, it's one thing to sort of get on the same 429 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,480 page and say there's a problem here. There's been a spread of anti semitism 430 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:52,240 on college campuses. The solution is not then to invest in more DEI. 431 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,640 And that kind of is a macro example of what probably happens to a lot 432 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,599 of girls on a micro example, you know, realize you have a problem 433 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,480 and then look to really bad places like lazy girl jobs and posting as a 434 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,079 solution. So as people are thinking caring about these problems on college campuses, 435 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,839 and even maybe people on the left and in the center are waking up to 436 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,160 exactly how grave the situation is, even though you know, I kind of 437 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,279 thought they were doing that in twenty twenty and they realized how bad things were 438 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,799 and they saw the sixteen nineteen project and all of that. What solutions, 439 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,880 and some of them are in the book, so people should should read it. 440 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,880 But what solutions should people be looking at to like really really seize this 441 00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:39,880 moment and fix this problem on campuses? Yeah? I think it depends on 442 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,720 your relationship with a campus, right, if you're a donor, pay attention, 443 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,240 ask questions, Ask you know, how much funding and how many staff 444 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:54,640 people are in the DEI departments and programs. Ask those tough questions because I 445 00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:00,039 don't get the sense that administrators are getting asked those questions enough, and so 446 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:05,640 I think more light could be could be We need to shine more light on 447 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,199 what is happening in those programs on campus. I think if you're a student 448 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,719 or going to be a student soon, you should go in eyes wide open 449 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,639 for what you're going to face on campus because it's not going to change in 450 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,960 one year, right, It's going to take some time. Because it's a 451 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,400 cultural problem. You know, this isn't a problem that you can, you 452 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,480 know, pass a law and it just gets fixed. It's a cultural problem 453 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,079 with lots of entrenched issues, you know, lots of forces pushing it, 454 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:37,400 so try to, you know, identify what the problems are and come up 455 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,960 with strategies. And that was really the focus of this book. I interviewed 456 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:46,920 thirty of our students and a lums and asked for their real life experiences and 457 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:53,280 advice navigating the many challenges that they face on campus, from dealing with the 458 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:59,760 silencing pressure to fighting back when free speech is under attack, from what do 459 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,280 you do when you have a host sele liberal professor? How do you deal 460 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:09,960 with that professor? Even items I've addressed like running for student government, picking 461 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,119 your college major again, pursuing relationships, landing those dream jobs. Just these 462 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:21,320 different areas that you will, you know, probably have questions about on campus, 463 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,400 so it encourage you to read the book on those available on Amazon. 464 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,000 And then for parents and grandparents, don't just you know, buy your children 465 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:35,440 and grandchildren their favorite like their college sweatshirt where they're going to go right, 466 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:38,119 and give them that graduation money, give them this book, give them other 467 00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:44,239 tools, point them to websites and articles, try to help them better understand 468 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,480 what they're going to face on campus, and then be that support system for 469 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:51,920 them because they're probably going to see some things they haven't before, and are 470 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,320 gonna have questions about them. And it's easy in campus to just kind of 471 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,360 follow the pressure, follow what everybody else is doing. You really want to 472 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,400 encourage them to question things, question those narratives, questions what's happening on campus. 473 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,320 And I think that's an important role that parents and grandparents, they can 474 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,840 just be that support system and you know, keep an eye on what's happening 475 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,360 on campus and be there to answer questions and provide that support system for them. 476 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,440 And then I think large larger forces. You know, hopefully we're going 477 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,960 to have more public hearings on what's happening on campus and just that's going to 478 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,159 get a lot more attention, and I hope that that will create some force 479 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,400 for reform. Absolutely. The book once again is called You're Not Alone, 480 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,039 The Conservative Woman's Guide to College. I should add in full disclosure that I 481 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,199 am a member of the advisory board for New Just the get the conflict of 482 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,239 interest question out of the way, Karen, But thank you, Lene. 483 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,320 We appreciate all you do for the organization, So thank you, of course, 484 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,639 well thank you for coming on the show. It's so interesting to check 485 00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,880 in with you and to hear about the book again. That is out. 486 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,559 People can go grab a copy now. Karen Lips, the president of the 487 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,880 Network of Enlightened Women, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks so 488 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,400 much for having me. Emily. Of course you have been listening to another 489 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:14,320 edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky, culture editor here at 490 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,960 the Federalist. As always, you can email the show at radio at the 491 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,960 Federalist dot com. Follow us on exit fdr LST. We'll be back soon 492 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,760 with more. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. 493 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:43,440 Hearn the fame, boy, ser reason, and then away