We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky,
culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show
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the premium version of our website as well. We are joined today by Karen
Lipps, who has a new book out. It's called You're Not Alone,
The Conservative Woman's Guide to College, a very timely topic of course right now.
Karen is the president of the Network for Enlightened Women, which has chapters
all over the country. Karen, thank you so much for joining us.
Emily, it's great to be with you. Thanks so much for having me.
Yeah. Absolutely, And you know again, and I just mentioned this,
but the timing for this book, You're Not Alone, The Conservative Woman's
Guide to College, that's what it's called. Again. It's out. You
can go get your copy right now. It's really coming out at a critical
moment in academia. And Karen, you've been involved in this world for a
really long time. I want to just ask you know, we're in the
days after that disastrous hearing in front of Congress with the presidents of Penn,
MIT and Harvard. Does something feel different to you after October seventh, after
the hearing, you've sort of had Democrats and Republicans suddenly very upset about what's
happening in college campuses. I've seen people actually circulating for Reid Zakaria segment about
what needs to happen to college campuses, which is kind of fascinating to hear
it coming from somebody like Foraried Zakaria over at CNN, Does anything feel different
to you right now? As somebody who's observed us for a long time,
and Ley, I'm so glad you brought this up because I'm now so happy
that some people seem to be paying attention to what's happened on our college campuses.
It seems like for so long there's been you know, we'll hear stories
from our students about things happening, and sometimes they might get you know,
a little like firework of attention where they'll be like a day of stories.
But it's like, finally, you know, these donors who are pulling out
their dollars. You know, the donors are now paying attention, which we
hope will provide some accountability. And then with the congressional hearing, you see
the general public profoundly, you know, disappointed with the presidents of these universities,
and they're now paying attention. So that's what we need. I think
higher education would benefit from more people paying attention to what's happening there instead of
these sort of one off stories. But really seeing you know, this is
a widespread problem. I think these universities lack true leadership, They lack of
a lot of a lot of accountability, which would be good for them.
So I'm hoping that this will at least at least a little bit get people
paying attention more so then there can be some some broader changes. Because we
have to remember, right, the president of u Penn Liz McGill, who's
actually one of my professors at UVA Law School when I was there. Oh
wow, oh my god. Yes, it's fun fact I took administrative law
from her. Uh So it's been it's kind of weird to see your law
school professor on SNL. But anyway, so that's right, they did.
They did it SNL this weekend. That's right. Yes, it's interesting to
see. Okay, like all of these presidents, you know, were chosen
by a board of directors, so it's not one off, right, Like,
there's larger institutional problems and forces at work that really need to be addressed.
And your book really gets into the social pressures, which I think is
very interesting. And obviously you work with young women, and I think some
of this advice too probably does apply to young men, maybe in different contexts
or with the renewance or something like that. But you deal with the social
pressures, and you you talk to young women on college campuses, women preparing
to enter college campuses, who are thinking a lot about this, And I
just that's a really important point and I'm really glad that you deal with it
because a lot of people think that they me in some ways this is just
relegated to the classroom. You know, this is this is just maybe you're
in a you have a rogue biology professor who starts going off on climate change
or race or whatever it is, and you're just in you know, you're
an engineering student, you're a pre med or something like that, and this
is you know, your exposure. But all of this stuff actually really does
affect people on a sort of person to person, individual basis. And the
social pressures are really powerful. Can you describe a little bit about what that's
like for you know, your average young conservative on a campus and young conservative
women on a college campus, and how that probably does push a lot of
people away from conservatism over the time. On campus. Social pressure is real
on campus and it hits from so many different angles. So, as you
mentioned to Emily, you know, we hear stories about faculty members, you
know, being biased on campus, and so you've got it from the faculty.
That was interesting as a few years ago a study came out showing that
actually the fact the administrators are even there's even more of a difference between conservative
and liberals among administrators, the ratio being twelve to one. So you've got
the administrators, which that's a segment of college populations that's growing dramatically, and
then you've got the student pressure. And what we've seen the last few years
is that we've heard from a number of our students on campus that it seems
like the students like being the censors themselves. So we've had a couple instances
where one of our chapters or as soon to be chapter, a group of
women have gone to their student government tried to get approval and their students have
shut it down and they've not given their approval. A great example of this
is at Southern Methodist University in Texas. We had three students go try to
get approval and part of the reason they were denied is the other students said
there were other women's groups on campus. So basically their assumption is that all
women's groups think the same, so if we already have some, we don't
need this one. And that's the whole problem, right, is that they
assume that there's one way to think and one correct women's group out there.
So that's why I was excited to write this book, You're Not Alone,
The Conservative Woman's Guide to College, because one of the things I do in
it is identify all these different pressure points and then try to give young women
tools for how to deal with them. So, for example, I include
an essay from one of our star students in the Network of Enlightened Women.
She went to American University, Abby Daniels. She writes about how she leads
with her personality, not with their politics, and how that was a successful
strategy for her. Whereas I've got another story from a student who talks about
how she wears all her conservative gear all the time and has been identified as
the conservative girl on campus and has definitely lost friends. But it's also that's
almost been a way for her to attract more friends that she's willing to speak
up, and so then other people who are silent sort of gravitate towards her.
So in this book, I just encourage readers to be intentional with their
choices, to be aware of the pressures that are out there, and then
come up with a strategy for how they want to deal with them, because
it really is a tornador of social pressure on college campuses these days for conservative
young women. Yeah, very very interesting, and I actually, Karen,
I think it might be helpful if you could tell us a little bit about
your background and the background of the Network of Enlightened Women, So why you
started it and what you've maybe seen change in academia since you have been so
focused on brain change to academia you mentioned earlier, You're glad people are tuning
in to the insanity that plays out every day on GOSH campuses. Now.
I have to imagine that sort of maddening to see people suddenly realize we have
a problem after decades of this and after you've spent so long trying to be
a part of the solution here, but just tell us, take us back
a little bit to why you started new and what things were like when you
were addressing the problem, and how things maybe have changed. I started New
when I was a student at the University of Virginia. I had come out
to UVA from Indiana and wanted to build those friend groups and figure out the
social scene there. And actually went to a College Republicans meeting when I was
a student, and I very clearly remembered that one of the leaders, a
male. He had talked about how he had already bought his website the domain
name for twenty years out for him running for office Classic UVA, which was
a little funny, but it was I say this because you know, I
went to other meetings and enjoyed the experience, but it wasn't quite the experience
that I was looking for where I really wanted to discuss policy, discuss the
ideas, and get into the nuance. And I spent a summer in Washington,
d C. Interning for Senator Luger from my home stadium Indiana, and
really enjoyed that experience, and after that was motivated to try to find a
group of women who wanted to talk about the issues of the day and really
get behind the policy and figure out, you know, why certain groups of
people think different differently and the same, and why things are a little more
complicated, right, Like, there's not just one or two views out there.
There's lots of people that disagree on issues for different reasons, and they
agree on some and disagree on on others others. And so I looked around
on campus. There were lots of different clubs. Nothing in the database kind
of jumped at me as the right fit. I looked on the websites of
other schools to see if there was some national organization that I could start a
chapter of. There wasn't. And one day, on my way home from
class Emily, I walked by the Women's Center at UVA, which I imagine
you might think, oh, no, like, you know where this is
going, But as a college student, I didn't write like. I saw
a building called the Women's Center, and I thought, Okay, I'm a
woman, I want to start something for women. Let me go there and
see what their programs are. I scheduled a meeting with a faculty member there.
She took me around and was friendly, but I really got the sense
they were pushing, you know, a feminist, a leftist feminist agenda.
But I thought, this is the women's center I should try. We're at
a public university. So at the end I ask, would you be interested
in co sponsoring a new group for conservative women. She just looked at me
like I was crazy, chuckled and said not here. Yeah, it's a
women's center at a public university, right, Like that's that's not the response
that should happen. So then I decided, Okay, you know, there's
not something like this out there. Either it's been tried and it's failed,
or for some reason, maybe no one's tried to organize conservative women on campus.
So I started the Network of Enlightened Women or KNEW as it has become
known as a book club at the time, to really focus on some of
the ideas that are left off college sillabai and have those discussions. And so
started with a group of women at UVA and with six within six months,
some students that William and Mary heard about it wanted to get a chapter started,
and then it just spread you know, one chapter at a time,
and I worked on it, you know, for fun while I was in
college, and then I went straight to law school at EVA as well,
and so also worked on it then. And then it's just continue to grow
and fast forward. We're now on over fifty college campuses around the country.
We've done events with Mickey Haley and Marsha Blackburn and Dana Perino and you know,
leaders in the conservative movement really gotten the word out there and created this
robust community for young women, which I think is just so important because of
all of that pressure that we've discussed earlier. You know, Yeah, that
is really interesting because I think people for a long time dismissed the campus issue
as a curiosity. You know, this's just sort of like everything is.
Campuses are liberal. We're taking this for granted. You know, teachers lean
left and kids go through, you know, their sort of freshman dorm socialism
phase on their campus, and they go into the real world, the so
called real world, and they see what the government takes out of your paycheck,
and you know, they start to think differently and vote differently. But
that's really not what's been happening. And you've sort of had a front row
seat to that. And I want to ask just especially about young women.
There's a New Yorker cover that came out in the middle of the pandemic that
it was so I think about it all the time. Actually it was a
young woman in front of her laptop on like a zoom happy hour, but
you could see the floor was just littered with trash. There was an empty
pill bottle, she was drinking a martini. Her apartment was just a mess,
and it was basically just, you know, this is the sad reality.
And I thought it was really interesting they made it a woman, They
made the character and the drawing a woman, because I think a lot of
this has been felt so acutely by young women. That's not to dismiss men.
There's obviously, you know, a balance, and everything that happens to
young women is you know, then reflected into the challenges that young men face.
But how has this especially changed the world for young women who are getting
the college educations and moving into the working world but come through this like four
year filter of essentially like unadulterated feminism at this point. Well, I think
you're right that for some they see campus life as kind of this curiosity.
I'm like, oh, students will go there, there's kind of some odd
things happening, some controversies, but then like you go back to the real
world. But I think when I've seeing in broader society, that's not what's
happening. What's happening is the students are taking the lessons they learn from campus,
and then they're trying to change the workplace to fit the life that they
had on campus, right, or to change society and remake society to what
it's like on campus. So I think these campuses aren't a phase that people
just pass through, but for many they profoundly change who they are, how
they think about things, how they want to interact with others in the world,
and then that can lead to much larger societal consequences. In the book,
I include a story about a young woman, Annabella Rockwell, who went
to Mount Holyoke and talks about during her time there, she was indoctrinated essentially
by a professor who talked about the patriarchy and how she was a victim.
And she came out of school as self diagnosed as depressed, and she was
drinking a lot, and her mom ended up hiring a three hundred dollars a
day coach to help her get her daughter sort of out of this, and
it really took a lot of effort to do so. Now our daughter writes
about this and how she's emerged and how these campuses are such a problem.
I think that's just one case, and maybe a more extreme case than some
face. But what these women face on campuses is impacting them and then in
turn impacting larger society. Emily include a whole chapter on institutions what I would
consider like harmless sounding names, but are often where a lot of this kind
of change in thinking is pushed on students. One is women's centers, which
I mentioned. Another is women's studies departments. You would think I remember actually
going and sitting in on a women's studies department class at the beginning of one
semester, thinking like, oh, this would be kind of interesting, like
again, I'm a woman, I'd be interested in learning more, and how
those are not really academic departments at many universities but are really pushing an activist
agenda, and so I think those are one that students should watch out for.
And then even things like leadership programs. I include a story from a
student where she talks about how they had everybody identify, you know, how
they might be victims in society, and it was really focused on that and
how some of these programs are kind of just pushing this agenda in a mindset
on college students about how they view their place in society and view others.
So I think that it's just there's just a lot of forces pushing women left.
And so that's why something that we're doing and new and then with this
book is trying to give that community and counteract some of that pressure, which
might seem again is like one offs here and there, but when you're facing
it basically you know, almost everywhere on campus or it feels like that,
it can really really change you. And I think this larger kind of force
about women feeling like they're victims on campus, it's fascinating. Women now make
up almost sixty percent of college students on campus, and not only does that
change a little bit of the kind of social atmosphere on these campuses, but
also they're dominating them. And a lot of the professors are now women who've
come out of women's studies departments and some of these other departments and so I
think it's it's changing the feel of campuses in a bad way and on campus,
like the politics and the sort of indoctrination, the ideology that is transmitted
just in like your example is so good in leadership programs, all of that
stuff. It's also so personal because it's about you know, sexual ethics,
it's about all of these different it's about marriage and children and family, and
these political viewpoints are affecting women's personal lives. And a lot of ambitious young
women who lean right and go to college. You probably want to work your
ten years from lean In now, you know. I think that was released
in twenty thirteen, and there's sort of some ten year reflections look backs on
looks back on Cheryl Sandberg's book Lean In, and I think that's kind of
still a muddled message for some you know, educated ambitious young women go to
college, maybe lean right. I want to have a family, also want
to work. And Karen, I know you you deal a lot in that
space. What advice do you give you young women who are getting so much
mixed messaging on campus and in society about you know, what their what their
sort of goals in life should be One of the messages young women on campus
get is to you know, focus on that career. And so in this
book I purposely put in some content about you know, other aspects of life
and how those are important too, and that college women should think about those.
So one is in picking your college major. I think, I don't
know how you picked your college major, but I remember lots of friends picking
college majors or majors for I would say a variety of reasons, right,
Like some you know, knew exactly what they wanted to do, pick their
major made sense. Others it seemed it was more focused on like class times
or a favorite professor or something. And so I really encourage in the book,
you know, and lay out some different different strategies on how you pick
a major. But you know, you could look at things like career earnings.
I think that's fair. You want to maximize earnings, but also look
at what kind of life a major might end up leading to. So,
for example, you know, teachers have summers off, so you know,
I think for moms like that can be that can be a good route.
Also, flexibility in the workplace, say, after I've had kids, I
value flexibility more. If someone the example I include is if you're interested in
communications and you're thinking, oh, I want to be a journalist, you
know, covering breaking news, that's going to be a much less flexible career
than somebody using their communication skills to work for, you know, companies where
you have more like set project deadlines generally, So thinking through about Okay,
how do you pick a major that might set you up for the life and
the flexibility that you want or the on ramping and off ramping. There's some
careers that it's easier to go in and out of than others. Right,
I appreciate that To the federalists, I know you've got a lot of women
writers, too many, too many, but you know, giving women the
opportunity who and moms who want to write that sometimes want to do a part
time or in different seasons of life. So I think finding a way to
develop skills that will translate into the life you want is important and something we
should be talking about more. And I also include We've got I've got a
section on personal advancement, so that includes you know, how do you land
that dream internship and job. To think it's great, We've got a student
who actually got hired in the state based think tank, the Goldwater Institute,
and have someone who hired her and her both voices there so you can hear
both sides, but then also have a chapter on relationships and include the voice
of one of our students and new on and she's now engaged. You know
what advice does does she have? And I also interviewed Brad will Hawks who
has a book on marriage about his advice. So I think having those conversations
more is important to young women and will will lead to say more meaningful and
more fulfilling lives later. You know, it shouldn't just all be focused on
academics, right, And do young women ever almost feel guilty? Do they
sort of need to for even thinking about that? In your experience, I
know you work with a lot of girls who are conservative and from conservative backgrounds,
but I know you also, you know, interact with girls who are
not just from those backgrounds. But are you know, in some ways dissatisfied
with what they're hearing and are curious to hear the other side of the story.
And I wonder if you know there's some maybe like deprogramming that has to
happen for young women that you'll realize they're in a really meaningful relationship, or
or realize that they want children but have sort of been you know, directed
towards the Sheryl Sandberg model, or directed towards the you know, high power
career this is what matters model. Is that a problem, you know,
when you're trying to navigate help students navigate the kind of questions about what their
future after college looks like. It's fascinating to me, Emily that when we
will hold we hold a leadership retreat for our top leaders across the country and
often we want to include you know, some really detailed policy talks about the
issues of the day. But we've found over the years that one of the
talks that a lot of the women really respond to and great really high our
talks on the issue of, you know, how do you balance work in
family life? What advice do you have on that? And so that's something
that we try to you know, find a spot on our agenda this year
and have to each year and have discussions about because our women find it so
for refreshing because it's not something that they're hearing on their college campuses and it's
not sort of the normal programming that they'll get when they go to conferences or
follow social media accounts about empowerment and how they can succeed. In women,
it seems like in the larger I would say, women's feminist movement, it's
just missing, right, Like you're more focused on the career and what's going
on there and in how society can support your career by, for example,
maybe like providing more resources like childcare, but it's not focused on, Okay,
how do you find the balance that you want as a woman as a
mom, and how do you set yourself up for that? And quite frankly,
I mean, it's hard and it's tricky, but I don't think that
should prevent us from talking about it. I think it should actually encourage more
discussion of it. So we have found in our campus talks and programming that
we embrace those conversations and lead those conversations in a lot of way, a
lot of ways. And one thing I'll mention is what I found fascinating is
that one thing I noticed amount ung more progressive feminist college women is that I
don't think they're willing to accept the trade offs and decisions that all people,
not just women, have to make. I gave a talk at the University
of Pittsburgh a while ago and was talking about the wage gap and this idea
that is promoted by the left that women only earn eighty four cents for every
dollar a man makes. The challenge with their narrative is that if you actually
look into this Census Bureau data, you'll see that it's not comparing a woman
and a man in the same job and doesn't take into account a lot of
labor choices like number of hours worked, commute times, fields of study,
you know, risk of death or injury in a job. So these factors
that really matter in an employees compensation. And I remember I was kind of
getting kind of the looks, right, Like, Emily, you've spoken on
campus, you can sort of tell and the audience you sometimes get those looks.
So you're like, Okay, I think that's probably a progressive student's rolling
your eyes at me. So I ask her what is your major? And
she just tried to ignore it, and so I pressed and then she said
it and we had to get into this dialogue where I said, okay,
so do you think she assumed that women are getting paid less because our women
should get paid more and that they are getting pushed into choosing lower paying majors
and that's why there's some wage gap. So I ask her, like,
are you getting pushed into choosing a gender studies major? And she said no.
So it just like didn't make sense that she assumes other women are getting
pushed but she's not. And it just seemed to me a disconnect between understanding
trade offs, right, Like, I don't recommend anybody become a women's studies
major, but if they want to, they can go for that, and
they just need to accept that, you know, that's less valuable in the
workplace than say an engineering major, and so understand embrace those trade offs,
right. It's funny, And so I think what we see just generally among
young progressive feminists is kind of a disconnect in these trade offs and sort of
understanding, and that translates beyond campus and beyond just your decision on college major
into things like what is your career? And you know, when you pick
certain careers, how is that going to influence family life? And I'd love
to see in the modern feminist movement a better understanding of these trade offs and
how things all fit together and how the choices you make can really make a
difference. They can open doors, they can also close doors. Right,
they can make some things easier, something's harder. I don't know, Emily,
have you seen this in your campus experience or in conversations with younger feminists.
Well, this is another question I wanted to ask you because I remember,
you know, ten years ago, hearing people talk about millennials like and
this happens with every generation, you know, like it's just totally the population
of a foreign country. People have to translate, you know, millennial speak
to you know, the exers and the boomers, and it was as a
millennial, it was very sort of amusing constantly to see this news coverage about
what millennials think and what millennials are like. So that's a preface because I'm
about to do that to gen Z. And I'm really curious for you because
one thing that I see more and more of is actually just this. It's
almost sad, but it's kind of bittersweet in that people, students, young
people seem to increasingly be aware that they're missing something. And I don't know
if it was COVID, I don't know what it was, but it seems
like there's curiosity and that might sound odd in the wake of October seventh and
seeing some really kind of hardened opinions on Palestine and Israel and all of that.
At the same time, though, I think really on like questions of
sex and sexuality and men and women and all of that, I notice is
just kind of more open mindedness. And that's again it sounds weird, but
I think it comes from, you know, people maybe present as very liberal
and very progressive, but they also you have sort of a different approach.
There was this BuzzFeed article a couple of years ago about how gen Z was
sort of souring on what was the particular phrase they used. It was like
the sexual revolution, so something like that. They were you know, rethinking
things like birth control and especially things like you promiscuity, that this was something
that was really becoming weighing heavily on the minds of a lot of really young
gen Z women. And so again, maybe people are presenting as very progressive,
but then under the surface, it seems to me like they're also because
they feel like something's off. They feel like they've been served up so much
propaganda that they're also just imbibing an endless stream of Wikipedia articles and YouTube videos
and tiktoks about different opinions because the media has been so democratized now. I
don't know if that sounds familiar to you at all, or if you would
do this way more than I do. So I don't know if you have
a different take or if that sounds right or wrong. Well, I mean
where I've seen this is some of the TikTok trends on, like the lazy
girl jobs. Have you seen this? Oh? Yeah, that is hilarious.
They're posting about how bragging in a way about how easy their jobs are.
And in a way, there's like a glimmer of me thinking, Okay,
they're realizing that not all their self worth should come from their job,
not all their value comes from their jobs. So that's a good thing.
But at the same time, I don't know about you, but I am
so thankful that in my twenties, before I had children, that I traveled
and went to a lot of events and did those things where I developed relationships,
developed skills. I remember traveling to South Carolina for a weekend into a
polics speaking workshop, like you know, really investing that time, where now
with young children, it would be really hard to do that. So I'm
not sure if the solution to maybe like girl bossing too hard is to then
have the pendulum swing, you know, way the other way and have it
be oh, let's be like lazy girls, and let's find like the easiest
job we can do, and and even worse, you found the job and
now you're going to post about it online. I mean, if I was
the boss, I would not be happy about that. But it just seems
like, okay, so maybe they're realizing a little bit something's the same.
But I might of course correct that strategy a little bit of figuring out,
Okay, how do you find a job that you know it soul filling,
it gives you, gives you a chance to do other things in life,
but you're not just going for like the easiest thing out there. But I
think you're right that we are seeing some differences with gen Z and so,
you know, as an organization, we're trying to, you know, do
some things a little bit differently to reach reach a new generation that's that's emerging
on campuses. Well, I think that's also kind of what's scary is that
these there might be this kind of vague sense that something's off that you know,
maybe people need to, like consumers make fun of like girl boss culture
and all of that. Like it's and reasonably so to an extent, and
they found it all very amusing. But at the same time that's also what's
scary, because I was just going to ask you about, you know,
the University of Michigan, after everything's been kind of exposed post October seventh,
is reportedly already investing more in DEI program. So, like, the solution
is, you know, it's one thing to sort of get on the same
page and say there's a problem here. There's been a spread of anti semitism
on college campuses. The solution is not then to invest in more DEI.
And that kind of is a macro example of what probably happens to a lot
of girls on a micro example, you know, realize you have a problem
and then look to really bad places like lazy girl jobs and posting as a
solution. So as people are thinking caring about these problems on college campuses,
and even maybe people on the left and in the center are waking up to
exactly how grave the situation is, even though you know, I kind of
thought they were doing that in twenty twenty and they realized how bad things were
and they saw the sixteen nineteen project and all of that. What solutions,
and some of them are in the book, so people should should read it.
But what solutions should people be looking at to like really really seize this
moment and fix this problem on campuses? Yeah? I think it depends on
your relationship with a campus, right, if you're a donor, pay attention,
ask questions, Ask you know, how much funding and how many staff
people are in the DEI departments and programs. Ask those tough questions because I
don't get the sense that administrators are getting asked those questions enough, and so
I think more light could be could be We need to shine more light on
what is happening in those programs on campus. I think if you're a student
or going to be a student soon, you should go in eyes wide open
for what you're going to face on campus because it's not going to change in
one year, right, It's going to take some time. Because it's a
cultural problem. You know, this isn't a problem that you can, you
know, pass a law and it just gets fixed. It's a cultural problem
with lots of entrenched issues, you know, lots of forces pushing it,
so try to, you know, identify what the problems are and come up
with strategies. And that was really the focus of this book. I interviewed
thirty of our students and a lums and asked for their real life experiences and
advice navigating the many challenges that they face on campus, from dealing with the
silencing pressure to fighting back when free speech is under attack, from what do
you do when you have a host sele liberal professor? How do you deal
with that professor? Even items I've addressed like running for student government, picking
your college major again, pursuing relationships, landing those dream jobs. Just these
different areas that you will, you know, probably have questions about on campus,
so it encourage you to read the book on those available on Amazon.
And then for parents and grandparents, don't just you know, buy your children
and grandchildren their favorite like their college sweatshirt where they're going to go right,
and give them that graduation money, give them this book, give them other
tools, point them to websites and articles, try to help them better understand
what they're going to face on campus, and then be that support system for
them because they're probably going to see some things they haven't before, and are
gonna have questions about them. And it's easy in campus to just kind of
follow the pressure, follow what everybody else is doing. You really want to
encourage them to question things, question those narratives, questions what's happening on campus.
And I think that's an important role that parents and grandparents, they can
just be that support system and you know, keep an eye on what's happening
on campus and be there to answer questions and provide that support system for them.
And then I think large larger forces. You know, hopefully we're going
to have more public hearings on what's happening on campus and just that's going to
get a lot more attention, and I hope that that will create some force
for reform. Absolutely. The book once again is called You're Not Alone,
The Conservative Woman's Guide to College. I should add in full disclosure that I
am a member of the advisory board for New Just the get the conflict of
interest question out of the way, Karen, But thank you, Lene.
We appreciate all you do for the organization, So thank you, of course,
well thank you for coming on the show. It's so interesting to check
in with you and to hear about the book again. That is out.
People can go grab a copy now. Karen Lips, the president of the
Network of Enlightened Women, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks so
much for having me. Emily. Of course you have been listening to another
edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky, culture editor here at
the Federalist. As always, you can email the show at radio at the
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