Hello, ladies, gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Keepers podcast.
I am the taylor Field and I'm joined by I am the last of the
haws Kerle Patzer. I yes, and if you haven't guessed by those nicknames,
we are here continuing our long and our jewest trek into the Halo season
two spoilers of you. It feels long, It truly feels long. I
agree with that statement. Yeah. So we've done the first four episodes,
and we did all season one, so you can go back, you can
tune into all that Halo greatness that we talk about and catch up or yeah,
if you're following along with us so far, Yeah, we're going to
get into episode five before we get into that crazy I swear it was five
five it's five. Oh my god, you're telling me have three more of
these? Got three more? Which is like, what are they? What
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have we got? We got Dune review, we just didn't do part two.
Actually, yeah, that's that's now live on the feeds. We got
tons of retros popping off if you are on Patreon, like Pine of the
Apes, Mad Max retros and what a Twilight retro that popped on there too.
What else is cook on you guys? Side Questions always did a great
side quest episode with Dylan recently that was fun. Yep. I think we
have a few Golden Geek stuff that's gonna be kind of coming around the corner
soon. Some results made you're cooking, so, I mean, if you've
been following it, I think I'm not sure now. So voting is on
now, Yes, you got to get your votes in. I think Patron's
gotta get their votes in because it's a patron thing, right, the patre
But I also have to get my votes in personally so as well. Yes,
but that all said without further idea, let's let's just talk about on
Spoilers for this episode were able to confirm Kirkland was this five episode five?
Yes, okay, which kind of blows my mind because it feels like we've
been watching this for years, like just the second season, not even not
even the show in general just really very very low does so who who wants
to take it first? I mean, yeah, I'll just keep going.
I feel like the fact that you that you said that this was episode five
and it felt like episode six just says a lot to me for this,
for the show in general, and especially this episode, I felt like a
lot just does not happen. There is a couple things that I'll pull out
that I found a little bit interesting, But it was just kind of funny
while I was watching it, because it's like I really have to sift through
this season to like pluck out some some little nuggets of gold. And they're
not big nuggets, you know, they're not They're not big, big golden
nuggets, but they're they're in there. Like there is some good moments,
I think, and some good aspects pulled from the Haloh sorry. The Halo
game series, and like we've already mentioned that throughout these reviews that we've been
doing, where like a lot of the like the Covenant stuff is appealing,
Like a lot of the visuals do look great in certain moments, but this
story that they're doing with master Chief, with Soren and his wife and the
kid, like I just do not care about this at all, and like
it's it's I don't know it. It's one thing for deviating from the game,
I think, but also just making these characters just not interesting, Like
this is just not that interesting of a show in general for me, not
even just because it is deviating from the Halo story that at least I somewhat
understand. But I don't know. I think we're this far in. But
I will say while I was watching the show, I'm just like I kind
of hope this just fizzles out and we don't have to keep doing these reviews,
like I like talking about with you guys, But it's like I just
I'm watching this at the show and I'm just not loving it. And I'm
just it's an hour long. It's an hour long episode, Like I kind
of wish it was a little bit shorter maybe, but uh yeah, I'm
really not not loving it too much and not a lot of like positives on
the horizon at least what's hinted at by the end of this episode for me
personally. But I don't know, maybe you guys are different. No,
definitely not. Yeah. This, uh, this is like one of the
dullest hours of TV. I think I've ever seen in my life. This
episode fucking sucks. I was trying to soften the blow. I was trying
to soften the blow a little bit. This episode is so boring. It's
weird. It's like this in theory, this kind of episode should be fun,
not necessarily the content, but just like maybe this is slightly spoilers,
but like a lot of characters kind of reconnecting and kind of you kind of
have like all the most of the characters in the show like kind of together,
but none of these moments like feel earned or interesting or like certain characters
who haven't seen each other in like months potentially, and it just seems like
they don't even notice that this person showed up. It's like it's so weird,
like there's just no I don't know, there's I guess I just I
don't have a lot of investment in a lot of these characters, and so
that hurts it. But I think the main thing is, once again,
just our our main character is so dull, so like when he just doesn't
react when he sees people or doesn't react when anything happens, it's hard for
me to feel too invested. And then yeah, what you're saying there,
like Soren and Layla and their storyline trying to find their son in this episode
is like what are we doing? Like we spend so much time in this
episode of them just talking and like grilling random people trying to find out where
their son is. It's like who cares about any of this? Uh?
And it doesn't even seem like, oh, this is some big consequence because
of some big character choice in an earlier episode. It was just like,
I don't know. Leila was like, hey, Kwan, can you like
take care my kid? And she's like yeah, he's like on this chip
and then this is like that leads to this, like it's so uninteresting.
So yeah, I don't know. We go to a new planet, I
guess, but it just seems like, I don't know, somewhere like the
Midwest US, Usa, like just seems pretty boring stuff here. So,
oh my god, I really don't have much to say on this episode,
to be honest, So even when we get into the spoilers, I don't
think there's a whole lot for me to break down here. This was a
This is a real drag drag of an hour. It's be the shortest review
we've ever done. Could be. So I I watched this episode, and
do you watch this at midnight? I gotta ask. I watched. I
say, while I was watching this, I was picturing where you were at
midnight just watching this and just like put yourself through that. That's like torture.
The high of Dune just kind of ruined. Well, I did Dune
one and then that ended right at midnight, and so I popped in,
popped in the Halo, and it's, uh yeah, it's I'm convinced,
Like I did. I finished the episode that I know, I passed out
halfway through because it was fucking terrible. I picked it up the next day
and finished it the next day. So this, like I I remember,
just like kind of like I mean, I I if you if you're gonna
call me out for falling asleep and not like paying attention to this episode,
like you can't, because I went back and made sure I honed in over
the certain scenes. Because when I was watching at the night of like,
I was like falling asleep, but I heard I heard the shittiest fucking dialogue.
I just added to my notes like, but I'm still like falling asleep,
but I was still cool here. I'm aware of what was going on.
And this episode was just horrible. It's horrible, and I'm convinced.
I am fucking convinced with what they did in this episode that these showrunners literally
went on YouTube and said, uh, Halo in five minutes, and they
just got the whole fucking download log of whatever they say in this Halo in
five minutes video, Like, Okay, there's our script. We're gonna Oh
this is good stuff. Let's fucking use this and put that into this TV
show. Oh that's fucking great. And that's all they did. Because they
are meshing together so many things in this episode, and this one big thing
I feel like that they pulled is stemming from one of the books. And
it's not a they're all Halo books, but this book in particular is not
really affiliated with the master Chief like Halo. Sorry, they're also really changing
the lore now I going forward, I would not be surprised if the heck,
we don't even get the flood, they just completely change that into some
other fucked up piece of bullshit that I don't want in this universe. And
I I understand, like if we reviewed Avatar Last Airbender, and I understand
that there's a certain point here where people that really really like that show,
not all of all of them are like super stoked on the live action show.
They they love the anime, but they're all type on the live action
show. And I had to think, Okay, maybe that's the case here
because I keep seeing people genuinely saying, oh, this was the best episode
of this season. Season two is just such a pick me up from season
one. Everyone's just raving, and I'm thinking, man, what the fuck
is wrong with these big episode? Yeah? Yeah, these comments are out
there, and I screened those fucking comments because I'm looking for people that are
like sharing my thoughts, and so I just see a lot of positive people
and like usually about like three positive comments to every one negative comments, and
that one negative comment I found one This guy was like, imagine just being
finding this perfect recipe. You've perfected this fucking recipe. It's delicious, this
divine. You love it, but all of a sudden you decide to change
it. You decide to oversalt it and just fuck it up so bad that
people puke. And I'm thinking, this is a good analogy. That's my
rant. So I did not like this episode? Oh my god? Is
there anything else you guys wanted to I just picture you, like seeing like
a positive comment, just getting so mad, like fuck these fucking motherfuckers.
You just like go on their profile that you like, start stalking them.
You're just so mad that they like this show's started messaging. Do you do
this at like one am too? Like right after the episode, you just
go in the forums and you just stay up for hours. I mean I
didn't this time, but you usually Usually when I'm going into work the next
day, I'll go on to like Reddit and I just I'll type, I
will specifically type in why do people hate the Halos Show? And I'll get
all these different threads that people are just like wow, railing on it and
all that kind of stuff. So nice, Yeah, anything else before we
get into spoilers? Yeah, let's do it. Let's jump in. We
went down to our first ad break and then we are going to get into
these spoilers. We'll be right back and we are back. So do you
guys have any just bones to pick that you want to start with? Well,
I'll pick up I'll pick a bone. And this is a bone that
I'm picking with the subscription service of Paramount as well as is that the subtitles
are so janky. Oh yes, that happened with me. They were like
super out of sync. Well that, but also like I don't use subtitles
in general, like ever, so when you're watching the show when fucking McKee
is talking to the arbiter, like, none of that has any subtitle to
it. So it's like, am I supposed to know this language speak saying
helium? No? I really don't go in this setting. And then yeah,
and then it's way like off sync. Yeah, and then the scene's
over, so I'm like, okay, I'll turn the subtitles log down like
subtitles and then like comes back later and there's more and it's just like god,
damn this, Like how do they not have subtitles on this alien dialogue
sequence? By default? It's so dumb. It's it's weird too, because,
like you said, like sometimes it is default, but other times it's
not. And I'm one that I always have subtitles on. I just I
don't know, I'm probably just deaf. I feel like I have to to
turn them on too able to digest everything that they say. But it was
good. It was SYNCD until they were speaking, sanging heally, and then
it would like be totally off. And then I thought that the arbiter was
saying what McKee was saying. And I'm like, this doesn't make any sen
because like one person is like looking at another character but not talking, but
like words are coming out. Like it was just so strange. So then
I turned it off and then like the su like the regular subtitles popped on
and they were proper, and then I had like turned them back on.
It was it was annoying. So yes, I'm glad you brought that up,
Taylor, are you subtitle by default? User? I In the last
few months, I've become a gig as a father. That's that's what drove
my same with Travis. I think that's what he said. Yeah, I
honestly I can't just I like the anime, you know, and then I
want to usually mention while I'm watching stuff, so it's like I'm crunching sol
out. I don't hear what they say. I can't when you're even in
the movie theater. I too, I just feel where are my subtitles,
Like I need this, especially in Dune when they're especially like any any Nolan
movie, like, please give me subtitles the goddamn But Taylor, with that,
those various scenes with McKee and Arbiter, like, is that stuff where
you feel like they're deviating from source material, like changing the narrative or is
that more with other stuff that that? I mean McKee alone is just a
complete deviation from anything that's going on with this story. But I've never been
a character like that and like similar type role in the stories. No,
there's been no human not I mean maybe later on, but as far as
I know at this point in time, humanity literally being an like the Covenant's
goal is extinction of humanity. But here they go. They got this one
human that can activate fore Runner tech, and they've taken her under their wing.
All humans are able to operate for Munner text, So is the fact
that they only have select humans that have this capability just baffles me. So
like you you even see it, Like there's a point when the Covenant need
to activate some fore Runner tech and they just capture human and just make the
human do it. But in this case, no, they've just taken a
child, a human child, and raised them. Razor is their their own
kind of It's just it's fucked up. They don't need to do this.
So the the the idea though, of the Arbiter and her, and the
Arbiter kind of saying like, hey, okay, we're gonna we're gonna go
out of here because this this fucking what is an Apple Apple vision pro fucking
plays off the Halo ring and all of a sudden, the Arbiter is like
flabbergasted and decides like, okay, they're gonna come after us, and they
bounce out of High Charity. Seeing High Charity and the Covenant armada was wickedly
cool. I really thought that was gorgeous. But them just sitting to bounce
out now and and going, I'm assuming get one of the other see the
other artifact and try to find the Halo. It's just they've they've changed the
dynamic of finding the Halo so much. Humanity found it by accident, and
the Covenant found the Halo because they followed Humanity and their ships are always able
to slip space jump faster than human ships, so they technically got to the
Halo just like within milliseconds before Humanity kind of landed there. And so that's
that's how that all those all those events kind of unfold. But in this
you have Halsey saying like, you'll lead us to the Halo stuff like this,
I'm thinking, what the fuck is it? Like what is this?
What is this with John like some kind of they're treating him like a prophet,
like them to the Halo. It's just that's that's not how that works.
It's it's not the story. Yeah, and like what is what do
we gain from doing that storyline instead? And it doesn't. It's not like
that's Lady and some really interesting stuff on its own either. So it's deviating
for like I don't know, no noticeable purpose. Yeah, they're they're they're
turning John one one seven into the leson al Gayib. It just feels like
the Messiah the people, and it just seems like they, yeah, well
we'll get to Pablo I guess, but just for McKee and and the Forerunner
stuff. But uh, that storyline, I feel like at first I was
liking the dynamic of the Arbiter and her just being certain people I guess that
are kind of outcasts on like the like like the whole Covenant scale, because
we were kind of asking those questions last time that we saw the Arbiter,
right, like, is this Arbiter different than kind of how because what was
you Taylor that was saying that it used to be more of a religious type
thing where it eventually became a like a punishment type role or has that just
always been the case that they just get sent on these suicide missions to to
reclaim their honor from from what I remember, and my memory does not serve
me well these days. So the Arbiter was originally a like a very profound
and esteem position amongst the saying heally and the elites, right, and then
when the Covenant kind of came in that that position kind of got warped and
turned into something as so like dishonorable. Then you take on the title of
the mantle of Arbiter and you go on these perilous missions. Okay, because
it's kind of seen through their dialogue that that was a similar type situation that's
going on right now. Right, Like he was mentioning that they need to
get this for McKee's sake to like just not be killed. I guess by
the what are they called the hierarchs, and then for the arbiter is talking
about like regaining it's not necessarily regaining his armor that I said, but something
along those lines. So I was somewhat interested in that. But I think
I was just confused when, like you said, the Apple Vision pro pops
up and it's just like a like a like an ad pop up for Halo,
and they're just like, oh, let's just go there, and then
uh, Cortana's just standing there, and I felt like I like missed something.
I'm like, I guess it was just Cortana that like played that in
that moment. She's a covenant now save McKee. Yeah, Like I was
kind of confused about you they're using Cortana to try and track down John though,
right that's like I'm guessing that's a step they need to do. I
don't know where that falls into the Halo part of it, but they just
want to kill him. Essentially right killed John. I think, so they
keep the demon unless I'm missing something. It seems like that's what the Arbiter
wants. And then mckey's yeah, I don't know, she's still in love
with those chees. Yeah, oh yeah, she can't forget those cheeks that
one faithful night. Yeah. Mckey's motivations here, I don't know, like,
yeah, she called the arbiter off, and the arbiter didn't end up
killing John. He he listens. So I don't really know, because if
they're trying to find John, I mean, they had him there, but
I feel like now they're I feel like now they're actually actively trying to find
the Halo. I think that's what their their goal is. And so even
at this point, Kortana was supposed to be with them and oh yeah,
fucking oh my god, Admiral Keys, So I guess that death really did
happen because they kind of touched him on it. So yeah, now that
that that fallout there is super shitty because Chief, Keys, Kurtana all together
they arrive at Halo, but now we have Keys is fucking dead, Kortana's
a covenant worker now, and Chief is in butt fuck nowhere wearing his fucking
snow shoes and snow hoodie and all that shit, Like geez, it's just
crazy. And Reaches, fuck Reaches. Everyone's just saying Reach is destroyed.
You're telling me this. I thought we're gonna have a whole other episode on
Reach doing it there. But I thought so too. But like they they
got rid of the suits budget so they could do all this other bullshit story.
They're officially gone. He established it. They're fully gone. I left
so hard when they had Soren's wife. I think they're just like going somewhere.
And she's like, like the like we lost Reach, the city is
gone, the planet is gone. It's like it's just such a jump from
like one little settlement to just the whole planet. It's just fucking gone.
Like I was not expecting the next words out of her mouth to be go
from one city just fell to like literally the whole planet. It's like a
continent. Yeah, that last shot we got, Taylor, how would you
feel if if she found some like Hayabusu armor or something like that. I
mean, that would look pretty freaking sweet. I'd be down. But again,
what he's gonna We'll never wear the helmet, so it won't even matter.
Yeah, it's true. I can't remember where we're focusing. I guess
McKee forunner stuff, McKee the arbitrary. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess
this is the kind of the most exposition and kind of focus that we've had
with McKee. And and still I don't really understand fully what her goals are.
But I I just I don't. I'm not a fan of her as
a character. I think she's a good actress, I really do. I
think she's definitely delivering the intensity of this character. But I'm just not finding
that attraction to know more about what this character is going through and the tribulations
for this character at all. I don't care if they die, and I
I thought they were dead. So this is just a disappointment. I'm with
you on that. I don't think I have anything else on that kind of
storyline. Whoever you want. Uh, yeah, let's see what else happened
in this episode. We so, yeah, we have that, like another
five ten minutes on Reach. What are the name of those big Covenant dudes
again? Brutes? Brutes? Yeah, Gravity grab Hammer was exciting fight so
cool to see. Yeah, that was like it was well polished you know,
like he looked really good. The grave hammer looked powerful. Have we
seen grab hammer yet? Yeah? In season one it was the last time
that they saw the Brutes, right, Like it was a similar type unit.
It was. It was similar because I think they when they in the
final battle and episode nine, I think the Brutes had a gravity hammer there.
But then also when Chief I think in the mid mid season battle,
that one brute like dropped out of the drop ship and like grabbed the forewinner
tech. Oh yeah, gravity hammer, So that's right, nice. Yeah,
yeah, I think the brute looked really really cool. It was an
intense fight scene and then he just got fucking gunned down by that gunship.
So that opening scene was actually that's where, like I I started watching just
that part like on my lunch break at work, and I was literally just
in the break room and I was just laughing my ass off and on just
what I was seeing. It was mostly just because of like Pablo's reactions to
what was going on, because he was just so disoriented from getting just blindsided
by by that one that one elite or whoever shot him in the last episode.
Uh, and he's just looking around. They had a lot of zoom
in shots like on his face, and it was just like this buffoon that
was just literally like dazed, and I'm like, there's my master chief.
That's John one one seven of those badass Spartan in existence, and he was
just so in shock and just not doing anything. I was just kind of
chuckling with that, and then I just could not believe Rizz's decision, and
like maybe I'm wrong here, and like the motivation of like Spartans collecting the
body of a fallen Spartan, but like the fact that they were like on
the evac trip or on on the on the EVACU Pelican or whatever, it
was like she just runs back out there. Everybody just waits for her,
so like she's literally delaying everyone else from escaping and just like putting everyone's lives
in jeopardy to grab this dead guy. And then she grabs him and just
gets shots herself. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Did
they killed two birds with one stone? I thought she was dead one hundred
percent yeah, And I was just chuckling. I'm like, I can't believe
that just happened, Like this is this is fucking Silver Team or whatever.
They're called this is the most badass eletes ever got master Chiefs just disoriented.
I don't know. It was just a really funny opening for me, even
though maybe it's supposed to be really intense and serious, and you know,
we talked about like the brute looked cool, but that was basically the last
shot. Also just kind of found it funny seeing Kwan with the with the
big mini gun type thing. It just was an interesting imagery amongst everything else
that was going on. And I'm just so shocked that, like Kwan is
kind of my favorite character I think right now going throughout this whole series,
and like season one, I just really did not care for that character at
all. It just goes to show maybe like where we are watching two seasons,
Kan Kwan ha is my is my most interesting character right now in this
Halo show. Unfortunately, I was definitely with you in the last episode or
maybe just two episodes ago. I think it was two episodes ago, Yeah,
but I was not digging what was going on with her character. In
this episode, we have those like prophet type people again the last of the
Haws, this whole like legacy thing going on. She's kind of tripping out
there. But I also just kind of found like did she know Vannik at
all? Like why was she so gung ho on like need to bury I
need to bury this body, and I need to do it now. No
sense. Yeah, I felt like kind of weird. She couldn't bear Well
what did she say, Like, Oh, when I bury you, you're
gonna be everyone that's died. That's that's what you're gonna I think it's because
like she wasn't able to bury her family, maybe because Mondregal just got destroyed,
but I don't know, like yeah, like they don't really It's not
like they're pulling from some moment in season one. I guess maybe losing their
family, but like that's kind of a stretch for how much that should have
meant to her. I guess like she's like, no, we're fucking burying
this guy right here, and then like the Prophet people come around and she's
she's ready to start murdering them to give her the honor of burying Vannick.
Yeah, it was a whole This was just weird subplot and also like I
don't know, I I did you guys know find a weirdho just Chief and
her reconnecting after all the time, and there's just like you're awake. Yeah,
I definitely was like I I thought I had missed a scene amongst like
the two of them, because it just seemed like they had already had that
moment of like reconnection, like oh have you been, Like I haven't seen
you forever. It's just, oh, you're awake, you've been You've been
out for three days. And then like it just kept going like they haven't
seen each other since what was kind of a big moment I guess in the
last season just that whole he was forced to kill her and then and then
went against that and then just gives her to Soar and and that's that.
But they don't really they don't really put in effort to try and make that
moment special. Mm hmm, what's what's uh the whata you're just saying that,
Kirklud like you're you're awake, You're trying to cross the border right,
walked into that push the Skyrim in show exactly, You're finally awake. Look
gear of Roar instead, You'll never get me. Oh je dragon God,
that game a lot. Oh my gosh, what you guys said about Quad
Uh, like I'm kind of back and forth. I don't. I don't
like the kind of things that are going on in this episode with her,
but there's a character I am liking where she's kind of transitioned from after that
first season. And yeah, I just I would have liked to had a
little bit more between her and Uh and Chief and just the kind of engagement
I guess. But Chief is just he's such a brick wall. He doesn't
even he at times he doesn't emote and other times he really fucking emotes.
Yeah, he's just he's out to lunch. Even again, a little bit
more with Sora and and Qwan would have been nice because I can't even remember
if they've actually engaged and chatted in the season at all, So I think
it's just their son Kessler and Kuan that we're talking not even so characters do
not need to be in that show, Sore and his wife. The Kessler
like attachment, Like I don't know, Son doesn't even feel like like an
old Spartan or anything. It just seems like some dude that's just in the
show like to be in the show and have some weird sub family plot or
something along those lines. And I don't know. They keep trying to like
bring in that he has history, he grew up in like a damaged home,
but like it just kind of seems separate to other spartan up upbringings.
Maybe I'm just I don't know, glossing over maybe more of the Hallsey connection
with him, but like we didn't really get much out of that at all,
even though they were supposed to be, you know, going together on
that previous adventure when they were escaping Reach. I guess that was and that's
the last episode, wasn't it right, Yeah, yeah, exactly, it
doesn't matter anymore. No, it was so shallow. It's like I even,
well, I even have these characters, if you're not gonna put in
a proper effort of like doing them justice, they just like I don't care
if they find Kesler or anything. I don't care if that sounds cold harder.
It's just I'm so not interested in that in that story at all.
And when it's like a different boy than than Kesler, I'm like, oh
my god, we're gonna have to like dive deeper down this red sur I
wasn't expecting it. But like, like I said, like as soon as
he took the helmet off, I'm like, are you kidding me? We're
gonna have to like go into next season, like are they gonna find Kessler?
Like I don't fucking care, bring me to the Halo, bring me
to like like master Chief back in his arm or oh my gosh, real
leaing off with Kai he's like joining Acresson or something like. I just I'm
not loving with the say about that. Uh. With Kessler, I immediately
knew when like he's running around and the helmet wasn't coming off right away,
I'm like, oh, this is not the fucking same kid. And just
when the helmet came off first split second, the boy looked like he was
like a forty year old man. Like I agree. I think it's because
his head just seems so much larger than what Kesler's was. And in my
mind, I was like waiting to see canl I'm like, oh my god,
it's a man, mama, he like plays with it or something.
It's just super fucked up. Oh my god, do you do you guys
feel like Layla and Sore and just have like zero chemistry. They do not
seem like a married couple, not at all yeah, no chemistry. I
totally agree. I feel it's just it's it's a weird thing. I've been
in very mean I'm sure we've all actually been in very serious situations with our
with our snipping others, and just for one of them to say, like,
I want you to be sad because I'm sad, They're like, man,
what is this high school? The fuck is that bullshit? No,
like one of us, one of us is sad, the other person needs
to be strong and uplifting or whatever. And I feel like Sorel was doing
a good job at trying to you know, you gotta make the best of
the situation and you're gonna you're gonna still give it your all. It still
was in a weird way that they he was doing it, but still and
it's a cherry on fucking top fact that she just pulls her wig off,
and what we were complaining that maybe the wig should have came off. How
many episodes ago we didn't even know she had a wig, was walking around
like life and death situation and she has a good time to to toss this.
It's just fucking bullshit, like she could have got such an upper hand
sneaking around she's wearing her fucking high heels and fancy suit. We're talking about
how like, how like noticeable she is, like especially just amongst like the
the Ravagers or whatever the common folk were on that planet. She just she
stood out like a sore thumb, and she just kept the white wig that
we thought was just her hair. Like my gosh, yeah, I feel
like, I don't know, I see where you're coming from, Ted,
But I also feel like man Soorin is to weigh lighthearted about just everything going
on. We talked about that last episode, all these quips he was making
as fucking soldiers are dying at his feet and he's like, oh, I'll
take that, give me that sword. And I felt that same way when
they're chilling at the Star the episode when they're aut Reach and Layelah shows up
and he can see her in the ship and he's like, oh, I'm
not gonna hear the end of this. It's like, I don't know he
would think someone would maybe wonder like, oh, I wonder where my son
is, Like I don't see my son. I hope he's okay, Like
you know, it's try and make sure she's safe and whatnot. But no,
he's just always equipping, and so I can understand the frustration when their
son is literally missing on some alien planet and he's still just quipping the whole
time. So it is weird, Like, I don't really know, it's
hard for me to just see what the purpose of Soreing is in season two.
Like season one, I guess I understand it more and season two it
just more seems like, well, he's an established character and uh, I
guess we got to give him some contents. This is like what they're doing.
But I just feel like even personality wise, in terms of like the
more action heavy, like quipping guy, like I feel like Vannik could have
done that job just fine. I don't really feel like we need this extra
layer of sorein. He doesn't really bring a lot of interesting stuff with him.
In terms of Leila and Kessler, who sorry, I don't care about
this kids, Like, I don't care if they find them. It's it's
just weird. And we spend so much time on that in this episode,
and as Kirklin said, like we're set up to spend even more time with
it in the next next week as well, So buckle up. I guess,
yeah, Okay, these characters are just they're taking up too much screen
time from the actual important stuff that makes Halo Halo, and it's just not
this does not this is Yeah, this episode absolutely did not feel like a
episode of Halo, with the exception of I guess someone being called the Arbiter
and looking at a Halo so that one scene, I'll give it to them
that had Halo energy to it. But yeah, we were talking about Riz
earlier. So Riz took some heavy battle damage. Her face is like all
scratched up and messed up, and it seemed I don't know if she will
walk again on her own someday or if this is like a temporary thing,
but it seems like she's ready to hang up her boots and quit and just
live on this place, which kind of surprising because she's been here for all
of like four hours and she's like, you know what, this is where
I live the rest of my life. Like it didn't seem like a place
that I would instantly see and fall in love with and want to live there.
Yeah, but maybe I'm wrong, But I guess I'm just wondering what
the future of this character is gonna be. If she's not gonna be part
of the action. I mean at the end of the episode, like she's
kind of he's trying to get her to come along. I don't know if
she's like pretending like she will or if she's gonna stand up to him.
I don't really know what's gonna go happen there. But Chief in the like
he just seems kind of all over the place because he was giving Riz such
a hard time throughout those training even though he like knew that she was fucking
injured, and he's like pushing her to the limits, like get off your
ass it again. Yeah, we're all gonna shoot you as you climb up
that rock as you just felt like one hundred feet, like run it again.
And then he's all like sad that she's about to die because it's like,
oh, I pushed her too hard. And then she's like can barely
walk. She just did like emergency surgery came from the like just basically the
pearly gates, like she was so close to death. And then he's like
we're going, like are you coming with us? And then he's just like
shocked that she won't come with him. It's just like fucking let her rest
man, Like, my god, you want to kill her so bad that
you just push her to the limit even though her body's breaking. I just
found that so ridiculous. And then yeah, like her just being like I
found it, I found the place I've been looking for. It's like,
like, what are you talking about, Like you probably never even I don't
know, imagine that you would be putting down your Bootslettle then like settling down
on this planet. She just seems like this has been the ultimate retirement package,
Like she's been looking at this towards this place for so long. And
in terms of where we're, well we'll see her again, I feel like
I wouldn't even be surprised we never see her again. Like it's literally just
she retires. Vani's dead, She's We'll never see her again. It'll just
be Cheaf finding Kai and that'll be like the one v one. Like,
I just don't think there's any real place for the rest of Silver Team,
which is which is unfortunate because it's just I don't know, like they had
a lot of potential from where they were in season one. I felt that
way for a few characters though in terms of like there's nothing to do with
this character, and then they still have made up several episodes on arcs,
so I'm sure we'll get some weird Riz storyline where she becomes like a carrot
farmer on this planet. There's just some some some weird rabbit that ruins her
crops and then has to go up these fucking space rabbits. And season six,
well, Chief, we'll meet up with her again. Chief. Every
character is that it just Riz and his planet. I'll give my thoughts after
this ad break and we're back, so I I couldn't agree more. I
think the fact that Riz is on deaths door step and Chief's like, come
on, we gotta go. We're going together, and Rizz just like struggles
to stand up with her crutches and she's like, come on, let's go.
I feel like he just has he's lacking some some nuts and bolts and
his brain there just to kind of like you said, out to lunch.
He really is like, we're running again, get climbing up that cliff.
Yeah, she like grabs out his br There's poor writing involved with this.
I really really feel like. But again, if Riz is being removed from
the equation now, I mean we've already lost Kai, and now we've lost
Vanik, and now we're losing Riz. It just makes it to me.
It does make sense. Like Halo the game comment of all kickstarted with Chief
just being on his own. Well, of course there is an easter egg
of another Spartan in that game, the Pillar of Autumn, but you don't
actually really nothing comes from that anyways. It's just the fact that they're kind
of like trying to touch down on certain things, like leading into Chief being
on his own with no team. I'm assuming by the time he gets to
the Halo. But at the same time, they're just they're doing it in
a very weird way. And yeah, they could have done so much more
Silver Team. We could have seen some really really cool stuff. But the
only time we really got all four of them fighting together in this season,
well never like we got three of them fighting with no armor on. We
got all four of them not fighting but just moving through the woods going to
a relay station quietly and looking cool in their suits. And then with the
intro of the season, we just got Chief huffing it up these hills,
fighting all by himself. We haven't gotten anything again with them all together,
and I think that's a huge con Now one of them's fucking dead, one
of them is injured beyond belief, and the other one fucked off. So
that ship has sailed and we can't never gain any benefit and satisfaction for visually
seeing those characters together fighting together. So it's just such a shame on that
note too, with them we get to learn that they were left behind to
die essentially, which I just think this is the worst fucking Halo writing.
I could imagine the fact that these Spartans, which are worth more than fucking
spaceships, were left behind just just to be killed off. And yeah,
all throughout the everywhere you see these posters join the fight, help him win
the fight, and still got master Chief on the posters and whatnot, the
propaganda. It's like, man, it's just weird that this is this is
where we're at. They just they do this to spartans in the Halo games.
There's never a minute where you feel like any human life is worth just
like leaving behind or anything. Like like you said, Dylan, when you
got those rings with you, you're trying to keep them alive, and it
just feels like this is humanity. Every step that they have every battle that
they fight in these games is a battle that they feel like they can win
and they're gonna give it their all. But in this in this show,
it's just the no, we're gonna abandon you, We're gonna ditch you,
We're just gonna leave you behind this and that this planet's not worth defending.
We're gonna, you know, just go. There's just so many fucked up,
improper representations of the characters and the ideas that really make Halo what it
is in those games, and it's just really it's just wearing on me.
Mm hmm uh. How are you feeling about Kai and what we saw here?
I mean there's not much breakdown, but something. So this is exactly
what I was talking about before with Akrison and the Spartan threes, and this
is this is exactly just It's ripped out of the book Ghosts of Onyx Halo
Ghost of on X and has been re skinned for this. So Ghostvonyx one
of the first Halo books actually read, and I actually really enjoyed that book.
It's a good book. But where is it? So? Yeah,
on X Basically it's a shield, It's a foreigner shield world. It's where
they train the Spartan threes and so a Foreerunner shield world. Basically, when
the halo rings activate, you'd slip into the shield world. I think it
would create like a little slip space portal where you could go in the rings
activate, then you kind of pop back and your eye affected. Uh,
that's how it kind of works. And so they didn't know it was obviously
a four Hunner planet at the time, but you have in the book,
I think his name is Petty Officer Mendez. And then they they Akerson abducted
a Spartan two by the name of Current, So this was an under this
is under the books project. No one knew about the Spartan threes, but
they abducted. So Kurt has been replaced with Kai, who is willingly gone
with Akerson, so there's no abduction. She's willingly gone with him and is
training the Spartan threes for the Smart and three programs. So that's basically what's
going on here. And the way that they just they casually just brazen over
it, Like how anyone that doesn't know this, I'm curious what you guys
would think of it, because you just see, Okay, we didn't see
really what happened with Kai. She just disappeared, and now here she is
with Akerson on a planet called Onyx, and you see a whole bunch of
people being trained. It's like, well, okay, what is the point
here? Is she? Like? You don't know she's training them, you
don't know, really what's going on? Is this another Reach? Well?
This just makes the fall of Reach feel less severe and less powerful than it
was supposed to, because, oh, we just got another massive human planet
here with military and whatnot. So it doesn't really matter that Reach fell because
we got something here. Just this was too soon, and the way that
they introduced that scene, it felt like this was just a cap off to
that story for this season. It genuinely felt like this is just like a
cliffhanger and tune in in next year for season three of what happens. So
I don't know, I'm not I'm not happy with it at all. And
I feel like if we're getting ghosts of Onyx stuff with the Spartan threes that
totally pulls away from from Halo, pulls away from dealing with master Chief at
being on Halo and get into the flood and everything like that, this is
just that's such an anthology story in my opinion, and just to mingle it
in with this main Halo narrative just doesn't fit. Damn, dude, that
was a great breakdown. I love how knowledgeable you are on this like extended
universe stuff. Yeah. I mean for me, it's it's it's yeah.
I'm really just like throwing random shit at the wall in terms trying to figure
out what's going on with this storyline because Akerson. It's weird, Like this
episode we had like, you know, a scene, but there's not even
like dialogue or anything. Right last episode he wasn't in there at all,
So it's like, I don't know, they're trying to set up this character,
but then like two episodes in a row, we're not doing any work
on it, and now we're like coming in. We only have a few
episodes left here, so I don't know. It's weird. We have so
much what we've seen of Ackerson, Like I'm supposed to believe that he's just
this really powerful guy. He's probably got a really silver tongue, really charismatic
or something. He's able to kind of get whatever he wants. I haven't
really seen any of that but I have to kind of believe that that's what's
happening, just based on everything kind of goes his way. And really there
was only one person against him that was that was John. So it's not
shocking to me that Kai would go with him. That he would have some
reason, especially after from Kai's perspective, John has made several questionable decisions and
lied to her actively, so it makes sense. But would Kai be down
with the destruction of Reach and John and Vannick and Riz dying and all these
other people dying or does she just not know that info it. She's like,
we're given so little so far on what's actually going on in kas Kai's
mind and in terms of making this decision, And yeah, like maybe he's
promised her the world and maybe he told her that they got John all these
other people off safe and everyone was evacuated from Reach. Like that's the only
way I can make it seem reasonable. And how she wouldn't there wouldn't be
any red flags raising up when when she's going with him, because it's like
even if even if not all those promises are there, It's like if if
the civilians are still dying, I can't imagine Kai being like super down with
this and not wanting to be down there on Reach trying to save as many
people as she can. That doesn't fit with like the Kai that I've got
to know in like a season and a half of the show. So it's
just weird. I just feel like we have been given so little information on
these on these characters, and I don't know, it's weird. It's like
it's like they expect you to have this knowledge from outside the show on Akerson
for him to be an interesting character in any way, So kind of weird.
I'm curious to see how they try and wrap it up in these next
three episodes. I'm guessing since this Kai Akerson scene was at the end of
this one, that they're trying to say that like he next episod, I
would expect you're finally going to get some more of this content and hopefully it
is meaty and meaningful. And I mean, I haven't really cared much for
Akerson as a character so far, but it's still as important to get his
motivations and understand why Kai made such a decision. So I appreciate your context
there, Tather, but yeah, it's hard for me to have too much
of an opinion until we like get more in the actual TV show. Yeah,
I definitely am more in your camp as well, Dylan, just for
not having like maybe prior knowledge to what's going on here with Acresson, Like
I just don't really have any attachment. And it's just kind of weird seeing
Kai in this position because how you laid out, like if the only way
that would makes sense is if she somehow believes that the rest of her team
like got out, because she's never seen like someone like I want to lead
this team, like like like I should be master chief, I should be
the one that's more in the in the line, Like she just always seems
like the number two when it comes to master chief and just so loyal to
that. And even though, like I guess a little bit of buttonhead moments
early on, it just it just seems like such a leap to where we
are now, like leading off and she's just she's just escape reach, I
guess, and just just siding with Accurson. Like it just seems like a
big jump for me to get behind. And it's not even like I'm that
invested with Kai where it's like, oh my god, my favorite character is
inciding with the bad guy, like, oh no, like it just yeah,
not enough groundwork. I think was laid out for someone like me to
to fall behind on that. M I guess, Taylor, Like this planet
of Aliria. Is this a place that you're familiar with? Is this in
any of the games or something? Maybe the simulator, but I'm unfamiliar with
it, so it's it's beyond my realm. I love the episode too.
I was like waiting to meet Aliria like this character like, oh no,
it's just the planet of the range. Last last episode was called a reach,
like its just kind of named after the planet that we're on the trend.
We got here two weeks in a row on episode Yeah, I've depleted,
So what do I got here? The wig riz there, Halsey giving
the eulogy for Vanik again doesn't feel like Halo, and I felt like this
just feels fucking weird. I'm not javing with it. You got all the
torchholders around and I'm sure they're going for something sentimental, and then Chief just
says like put him in the sky, Like Okay, I'm just not not
feeling that, Chief, Yeah, I mean, even for how much setup
we've got for Vanik as a character, and we talked about how he kind
of just died and there wasn't much fanfair last episode. But this even felt
like overboard, like overkill or like too late, even like this should have
been somehow worked into the same episode as his death maybe, but I was
like, okay, I've had died last week. I've moved on, like
let's let's do something else. So there's there's two things here regarding Chief as
a character, and it bothers me how they tackled this, And this is
one of the factors for why I think that Okay, they watched a Halo
in five minutes and just fucking combined everything into the show. So again Halsey's
saying like, you can take us to the Halo and then says, whatever
built it, it left something in you. That's how I chose you,
which is just there's so much of all this exposition is just so poorly fucking
written. It bothers me. Now, just yes, the genetic gene pool
picking these certain humans all makes sense. That's that's what they did with the
Spartan two program. But whatever was left in him that you come to learn
that throughout the Games and with Halsey that the fore Runners. Okay, here's
here's some major backstory here for Halo. When the fore Runners were accepting that
they're going to recede from the galaxy in the Universe Verse, they set up
a plan that the mantle responsibility would be passed on to humanity. Humanity would
then take on this responsibility of just being the guardians of the universe. And
so when the Foremunners did that, that's why humans can activate fore Runner tech
is because this mantle responsibility is passed on to them and they seated this.
Now there's a Formunner called the Librarian, and she basically left accelerators in humanity.
She left blueprints, and one of these blueprints is the Spartan program.
So all these things she left was for humanity to get to the point where
they are at now at an accelerated rate by accessing genetic like certain things and
what our thoughts that she left behind, and so, long story short,
one of these things that was supposed to be coming along was human augmentation kind
of the human body itself, and Spartans were on that path of achieving that.
And so that's another thing that Halseley is trying to talk about here,
and I mean that's something that's pulled from Halo four and another thing you have
from Halo four as well, horrible, horribly executed scene is like whatever,
I right here, you're not a machine. Basically Cheap is talking about that
himself, and like, yeah, Halsey saying, oh, you're not a
machine. Everything like that. It's just so poorly done, and that is
such a one of the moments that brings me to tears when I watch that
cut scene in Halo and Halo four, and I watch it quite a bit
actually, because it's such an intense scene where Chief loses Qortana and he's just
just staring at Earth. It's like five minutes long, him just staring at
Earth with his helmet on, just taking it in. And then you have
this is Admiral Laski or Captain Laski, sorry, just he's a guy that
just comes up and just basically tells Chief, like, you know, soldiers
aren't machines or just people. And Chief doesn't say anything. He just he
like turns his helmet and looks at Lasky and then turns away and looks at
Earth. And it's just such a heavy scene. But this is where you
have the game starting to explore Chiefs humanity. We've gone through three titles where
he's just like point A to point B, but you just you follow him
because he's the master Chief and he is that Chief that you see on the
posters. And this TV show joined the Fight Help Fight the Covenant with him
and all that kind of stuff. But now you get into this next sequence
of games that really go into that heavy part of his humanity and just transition
from him being that robotic soldier to being so much more than that that and
I love that, I really really do love that. I love the game
cycle it, but this show has taken the bipolarists ness out of all these
different games, like and just like left and right and up and down a
topsy Turvy, and I just fucking hate it and it drives me nuts.
So that's I think that's all that I really had. I think that's exhausted
my notes. So those are some of the just stuff that really I love
hearing you talk about Halo lore man, like you're such a compassion with this
stuff, Like this is so compelling, and I want I want this level
of storytelling in this show. It's it's there's that's really interesting, compelling things.
I wish we were getting half of that quarter that I know. I
feel. I feel bad for you the more you tell me how cool this
stuff is, like, because it's like, man, you're so in the
bag for this and the fact that this show is not delivering, Like for
me, it's just kind of like a boring TV show. And I,
you know, I like the games, but I don't really know the story
very well. But yeah, there's some really great storytelling going on there,
but we just, uh, it's all lost in translation. Oh it's true.
There is some great storytelling and people that have never played the games but
they're watching the show and they think this is the fucking be all end all,
Like, oh my god, I don't have to play the games.
This show is amazing. Uh, there's just they're they're missing out. They're
really really missing out on some some good quality content. Definitely, and the
truth, the truth, the most important thing of all, well is that
everything that's all capped. Nothing else. Yeah, Okay, Well we will
be back Ladies and gentlemen for episode six, and we got another two,
well yeah, three episodes remaining. It's gonna be great. We're gonna figure
out where the fuck the show's gonna take us, so until then, you
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Bye bye, B.