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can show them my special art.
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have won everything in the cultural wars
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even that, even that would be
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case anybody hears this, it's it's it's

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not awful or naughty stuff. It's
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It's it's American images from a specific
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collected for reasons we can go into
later. Ask not what your country can

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do for you, Ask what you
can do for your country. Mister grbachaw

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tear down this wall. It's the
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Aywards sitting for Peter Robinson again.
I'm James Lilas. Today we talked to

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Ann Coulter, so let's have ourselves
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race, plus fifty eight percent of
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president. Welcome everybody, It's the
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figured that out in Roman numerals.
In quested that we got to this point,

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and how do we get to this
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sparkling conversation that you find at ricochet
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I'm James L. Alex in Minneapolis,

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Rob Long in New York, I
presume, and Stephen Hayward sitting in for

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people. Wow, let's oh,
yeah, we don't know what happened to

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be here. Peter, he's completely
he's gone. He's not a runner,

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he's gone on a walk. He
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towards the Ires Rock or is it
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Stephen, being the world traveler that
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to be today? Not that anybody
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to the top of Airs Rock.
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some years ago. I am currently
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foggy, cool central coast of California. There we go. We got the

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country of Paradise. We have the
country cut well. To bring everybody up

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to speed in the news. On
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down. Joe Biden is staying in
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Donald Trump spoke too long. I
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would like to be on if I
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things are going. But it's almost
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or the other, because by the
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waves, things may have changed.
Convention, though I'm sure all of you

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were riveted, I stopped actually paying
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them. As a matter of fact, when I was going to them,

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I wasn't paying particular attention because it's
just an awful lot of theater and it

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gets tiresome. Last night, it's
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hoopla, great fun. Everybody energized
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cetera. But have you picked up
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distance observations of the conventions. I
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wise. I mean, I think
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bad speech. It started great and
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his discipline and then falls totally apart. But the convention itself was kind of

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mean. It was a good convention
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of I mean, I was just
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we didn't have conventional conventions four years
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like an old friend, you know. I mean, these conventions are always

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kind of fun. I mean for
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him. I just like the idea
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and I think this one was kind
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in a direction that's that it's not
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less economically conservative than I am so. But but to to to present a

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coherent worldview, uh, and a
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you judge these things. And I
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good job on that, I really
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give them credit for it. The
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clear, right and to tell people
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stand for, what you're going to
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Trump. But but he even he
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I have lots of observations. Two
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story of the Gettysburg address. Lincoln
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Everett. When the rest of the
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happen at this convention because of the
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one parallel between twenty sixteen and now. And also another assassination attempt is you

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know, I was in Washington as
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thirty, nineteen eighty one, and
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him instantly. Yeah, and he
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you know, Bob Dole, Pete
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modern liberal Republicans did not really like
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of doubt that he could carry his
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and that un the fight. Everybody
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the people who have doubts about Trump
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you had a convention that was much
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one in twenty sixteen, when large
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nomination. Right, yeah, yeah. And also I think, I mean,

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the Republican Party is kind of used
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in general's used to him. So
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seem like amateur hour the way it
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this thing's a mess. It felt
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what's the message going to make the
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lot of it had to be rethought
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job there. I you know,
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at the garden party. Unfortunately for
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too frankly, too left me for
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message to me is liberal. It's
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that. But I think the mood
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mood of the people. I'm perfectly
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American people. I often amd and
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there's one significant exception to that,
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it might have been the part you
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remember Trump made a big point of
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and because we need to have faster
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reduce our deficit and reduce the national
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supply side economics, that parts all
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the Reagan era is dead. Well, that was a significant exception to that.

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throated enough for me because because it
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it. And actually, look,
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of wrecking the country's finances, I
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then but it wasn't from tax cuts. It wasn't from tax cuts. Well,

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no, it never is. It
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is always going to say that what
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it means that the billionaires have lots
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rooms and burn and that right,
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That that the populist message from the
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rich people, and we think that
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and the value you've created over time
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the fat cats too. That's the
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that. I mean, I'm clinging
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I'm that I have to, but
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throat of Reganism, and you can't. There is no way I agree with

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tax cuts as a stimulus. I
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I think starving the beast is a
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to be starved. And if you're
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chief platforms is I'm never going to
touch in titlements. We now have two

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presidential candidates, both of whom are
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only one way, especially we're talking
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I'm in favor of strong defense too, I would like the I would like

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a presidential candidate, either one to
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if one party is resolutely turning to
an isolationist position. Why do we need

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this big army if we are going
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I don't ever see the Republican Party
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billionaires. We hate these guys because
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and that's unfair, is a Bernie
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cats and the elites, it's because
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It's their influence, it's their control
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I mean, it's it. They're
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not all the money. They're mad
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have to put on masks and they
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and tell us we have to live
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stuff. So I mean think I
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to the military thing, well,
you know, you can say best defense

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is a strong offense. And if
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continue, I mean, part of
one of the reasons we need a big

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military is to keep the sea lanes
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Being able to serve power anywhere,
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goods is not isolationism. I mean, it's just Oh no, that's a

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very good point. I would like
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argument. I'd like to hear it. Well, Rob, I think we're

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coming to the you know, you
and I I'm older than you, but

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you know we've spent our entire life
wanting to hear specific things being said by

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our leader. No. No,
But here's what I mean is if you're

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if you're arguing for a strong defense, and you have a kind of a

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robust uh position about projecting American power
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and you think America should stay the
strongest country in the world. I mean,

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which, by the way, position
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it's an old school. It's an
old school position. It is not the

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position of the Republican Party. It
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nominee for the Republican Party. It
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want us in they that's they're the
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They don't want us. They don't
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with him about Iraq. We should
have been interacted. It was a gigantic

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failure. But the idea that we're
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mouth, We're going to talk about
how we need to like, we need

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to pair back o our commitments to
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the Ukraine money and we can't be
doing all us that's all that. Those

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all could coherent world points, but
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They don't complement the idea of a
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if the Chinese invade Taiwan, why
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I mean, all the people saying
we shouldn't be in Ukraine, I

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agree, But what's the what's so
great about Taiwan? Yips semiconductors. Okay,

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yeah, but the chips we got
to be you have to build them

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here, building them here. And
I agree, we're in the middle of

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an offshore you know, we're drawing
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rea shoring, as they say we're
you know, there have been moves in

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that direction, but we're not there
yet. And I mean, I get

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what you're saying, Rob, but
I want to go. You just said

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that you agree with the people who
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to sending money in material or to
Ukraine, or you're saying you understand that

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position. I understand that. I
understand the isolation's argument. It's a good

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it's a good argument. I don't
agree with it, but I understand it.

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It's an ancient it's an old American
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flag. It's practically it's in our
DNA, and I totally get it.

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And we have for the past century
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of questions that unfortunately require extensive discussion, which we have time for. Well,

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I'm just mentioned a couple of observations, though one is neither Trump nor

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Vance mentioned the word Ukraine. What
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was if we don't if our hostages
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there's what eight or ten or twelve
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out by the time might take office, they're essentially it's gonna be hell to

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pay for gods. That's what he
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preserving you might say, strategic flexibility. Uh. Trump has been very silent

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about Ukraine. There's disciple and there's
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going to mess with you. That's
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that's true. You know, part
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bankrupt the Soviet Union by out building
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it worked. But the problem with
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them. They're outbuilding us, and
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guess what I would just say on
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that we're playing where the Republicans seem
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and they're making a lot of arguments
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or at least not by any definition
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make that argument, it's hard to
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out of it, because they're they're
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they're dumb and they're inflationary and they
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just I am, I'm I'm slowly
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Republicans are no longer the grown ups
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their good sense. A party that
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serious party. Oh I like that
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tough, unpopular, difficult to make
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better? And regulation and what and
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and why tariffs are like sound good, but they're they're dumb, uh,

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and we just don't do that anymore. And maybe that that's a that's a

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that's a shift, and that's I
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fine too. Shift probably in generational
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I just I yearned for I yron. I just see I yearn. That's

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all. Just gonna leave it at
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I do, I absolutely do yearn. But the problem was perhaps in

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the mind of the voters, and
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that those arguments were made tepidly and
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seemed to be not so much helping
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of Commerce. That's how it was. The argument that's made is that at

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the same time that they would talk
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rest of it in an abstract sense
that really didn't click with an awful lot

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of people, they would be talking
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we can get the wages down,
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et cetera. And eventually I mean
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of just became a sclerotic series of
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never really explained and just seemed designed
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than Obama. And I think he's
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of the stuff that he says they
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be an institutional wrote recitation that didn't
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in the country. Now, when
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hate them to absolutely do. But
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you said to people, look,
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are so significant that those three dollars
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be four bucks and we're gonna,
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that American shoes can be made for
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it's hard to argue with that.
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it well. I like the first
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to have a trade where the first
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tariffs on the just cheap ot Chinese
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cheap, cheap o shoes. Like, why are we helping people do that?

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the one part of it. But
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paleo economic conservative. I still don't
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in my lifetime has often been controlled
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the White House in an executive branch. Again, I guarantee you. The

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idea that we're going to see to
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too old. I remember the Obama
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agree. I mean, we've been
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an awful long time, and we
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so because you know, if nothing
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bedrock ideas that got us through the
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or contradicted by time, experience,
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some things that abide, there are
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let's keep saying them. And the
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And if the team Moushugars go up
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to be crying. Welcome back to
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are in Trump We Trust e pluribus
awesome and resistance is futile. How the

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Trump hating left last? It's collective
mind And welcome back. Thank you real

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enjoyed these four our acceptance speech last
night. How about you, guys,

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Well we clocked the two and a
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I may have dropped out before we
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your thoughts on the aboard of attempt, the assassination attempt which really to change

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the complexion of this of this election. Two things. One is I don't

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think every single speaker at the RNC
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every single one. I'm in a
house of people and I got them all

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groaning when they got to and then
the shot whizz passed his ear and he

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pumped his fist. Yes, and
he and accept. It goes on for

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twenty minutes this description, and he
said, fight, fight, This is

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the most watched video probably certainly in
the last fifty years. There is no

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one in that audience who didn't see
it. Please please stop describing it.

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That's point one point two. Everyone
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of bets. Unfortunately, the one
with James Higgins is only for a nickel,

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the Culter family biggest bet, but
many nickel bets in one stake bet

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that the nominee would not be Biden, which I concluded immediately after reading the

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New York Times at editorial in one
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gas, I've described, and I
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Biden stays or goes is basically a
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the Blacks and the Jews. And
I'm putting my money on the Jews.

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After Trump got took it in the
ear, all my bets started saying,

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Okay, are you ready to buy
me a mistake dinner yet? And

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I said, hang on, and
now we see it looks like, I

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mean, who knows, it can
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than usual that they're going to make
Biden drop out, so I'm going to

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win my bets. Yay. I
think people got a little too enthusiastic in

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other words about that shooting. I
mean just saying, Okay, Trump has

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won, it's over. His speech
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convention was incredibly weird. But by and

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large I can see why a lot
of Republicans are thinking, right now,

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it's over. He's going to win. A lot of people set out out

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of the shooting. A lot of
Democrats, I know, said okay,

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that's it. I'm voting for Trump. But four months is a long way

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away. So I'm not making any
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we have any bets together? We
we we have had we bet together.

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I don't know whether we're on the
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I can't remember. You know,
this is why you got to write these

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things down. No, by and
large, it's usually you and me against

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the rest of the Hampton's which is
which is, but only in this only

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on these only on every four years
because the eight years all Anne does is

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like attacked me. Yes, because
I'm a true buchananight, And if I

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could put in a good word for
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rap as being more of an establishment
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supported him because he looks like it. He looks like mister wall Street,

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and I think that probably didn't play
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doesn't talk like Trump. But the
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in twenty twelve, was he had
the toughest position on immigration of any Republican

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in my lifetime. Remember he was
mister it'll be self deportation. We simply

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we don't have to round him up. They round him up to get him

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here. We don't have to round
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just going to enforce the immigration law
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they'll go back the same way they
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you will not Rupert Murdoch, one
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about the welfare of the average American. A few weeks before the nomination,

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had a sit down meeting with Mitt
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his game. It would be like
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and he harangues Romney and says,
you got to drop this self deportation,

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and Romney just laughed and said,
no, I can't. So he stood

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by one being harangued by rupert mock
Murdoch. Whereas you know, Trump capitulates

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in a second no matter who's talking
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I think Romney looks like establishment weenie
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But he really was not okay?
Was it weird when they booed Mitch

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McConnell. I mean, you've been
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was when he was running and they
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in I think It's I think it's
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think that's the one where I attacked
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loved the original grass roots Tea Partiers, but then you had all these quote

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Tea Party candidates and as I counted
it, we had lost like five Senate

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seats because of Tea partiers primary Republicans
who may not be my cup of tea.

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defending Mitch McConnell. I think that
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that was the Big ten, or
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that guy forget his name, but
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running against him. And I'm saying, you know, Kentucky isn't a red

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state. We could lose the seat. No, it didn't happen, but

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you know, Christine o'donnelld Todd Aiken, Richard Murdoch, my roodeek is no,

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no, but never primary a Republican, no matter how bad the Republican

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is, at least until you have
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the Senate. That's angel Yeah.
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from twenty sixteen and then and then
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really bad breakup. I mean it
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I note that benefits back together.
At least that's what the tabloids say.

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So my question for you is is
there anything a second Trump term could do

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that would revive an old trumpter because
would the wall satisfy you or you need

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to buy there is I think I've
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I want a wall. Okay,
I'll tell you the story. I'll

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see a story behind this. Uh. We were twenty twenty. We were

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at a I think probably at that's
the very same house you're in right now.

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We're at a dinner party. A
lot of Republicans there, and they

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were like, they're trying to bring
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these are establishment Republicans, but they're
big Trumpers. And what I'm saying,

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and listen, I talk to the
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one of those guys who's like,
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could I I'd like to tell them, what is it what they could do

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for you that would bring you back
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a wall. I want a wall. And one of the wives said,

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oh, Anne, I don't think
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It's like, are you crazy?
Like so that's that's the backstory to that

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to build a wall. But it's
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twenty twenty would have been a very
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I built a wall. By the
way, Trump Trump missed a major opportunity

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last night. I think he could
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let's want to get rid of all
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You know right now, when those
things were out, we bury all

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those blades. How about sticking them
in the ground at the border and using

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all those stupid blades and windmills for
war construction. Wow, I think I

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think people love that idea, right, A wall that consists entirely of spinning

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mincing blades. Yes, we probably
you know. And interesting, we've been

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on this podcast for thirty minutes.
You've been with us for however many JD

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vans hasn't come up. One is
that because we're too enthusiastic and bound up

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in the Trump mystique, or is
it because it isn't that important? Tell

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us what you think about the guy. Yep, she froze. Yeah,

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she's frozen up. So we'll have
to improvise, ladies and gentlemen for a

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moment there. You may actually have
thought that Ann Culture did not immediately respond

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to the question with a you know, with a delightful series of charming observations

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and outrageous assertions. But no,
she froze. We lost her, so

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we're gonna have to get her back
here in a second and in the meantime,

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since it's just us, what do
you think, guys, I am

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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,079
intrigued by the fact that it's been
a long time since we've had a heep

407
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,599
with a beard. Oh right,
one hundred years, I think, yeah,

408
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:55,720
yeah, yeah, well by the
way that beard grew, he was

409
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,440
clean shaven at the beginning of Trump's
acceptance speech last night the night. Yeah,

410
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,640
yeah, at the end of the
game the Civil War general. Right,

411
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,440
he's a very interesting character. Oh, we got back. We've got

412
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,680
a little land back. We're hearing
her back from the other side of the

413
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:18,759
multiverse. Yeah, and she's winking
in and out like Kirk in the Thulian

414
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:23,240
Web. Anyway, anyway, so
go on, rob uh. You know,

415
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:29,119
I'm uh, Jade Vance has got
to be one of the most interesting

416
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,880
people. Interesting in a personal journey, interesting intellectual journey. I mean,

417
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,759
I'm again, I'm I don't want
to be the jerk here, but I

418
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:42,440
am always the jerk here. I
am disquieted by the fact that he was

419
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:49,759
such a full throated Trump critic and
then now a full throated Trump uh uh

420
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,839
running mate. It's so they were
so extreme that it feels to be like,

421
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,680
this is an unformed person. It's
at Rob accolytes the word you're looking

422
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,359
for us act like yeah, yeah, someone going off to seminary ought to

423
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,279
have that one, right, Yeah, you're right. Well, you know,

424
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:08,400
all due respect to acolytes. I
just it just to me, it

425
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,640
feels a little I don't, I
don't. It just feels unformed. Like

426
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:18,440
this is a young man and he's
you know, his own personal life story

427
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:25,000
is interesting and his I mean the
in light of his you know, populism,

428
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:30,519
economic populism, his his Ivy League
roots and powerful wife. I think

429
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:37,839
these are all sort of these were
red flags for for a candidate like Jadie

430
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Vance. I mean to say so
that I find him. He's confusing to

431
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:45,480
me because I feel him his inconsistency
makes me nervous. Well, two observations.

432
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:51,160
One is he's the youngest vice presidential
running mate since Richard Nixon in nineteen

433
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,720
fifty two. And I think the
fact that Trump picked him and as rob

434
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,720
points out, was willing to set
aside all those old harsh remarks. It's

435
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,920
kind of interesting, but I think
he picked him because it's doubling down on

436
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,559
the brand of rejecting the establishment,
right. Yeah, Instead, and it

437
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,559
wasn't he didn't pick somebody to pick
a state appeal to a certain group.

438
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,200
He said, No, I'm going
to double down on my brand and point

439
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,720
the way to the future of the
party. Second thing, one of the

440
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,319
things I thought was interesting in Vance's
speech is twice he said, and I

441
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,119
think people picked up on us.
He said, you know, I know,

442
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,519
you know, there's a lot of
disagreement amongst us about what we should

443
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,480
do about various issues, but that's
what makes us stronger. We'll just argue

444
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:33,519
these things out. I thought that
was a very interesting technology. He said,

445
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:34,799
it makes our movement stronger, which
I've always believed by the way his

446
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,119
church LEXU level right. I thought
that was quite significant part of his speech

447
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,200
that a lot of people dis missed. Yeah. I agree. And there's

448
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,759
a lot of things with JD Events
that I disagree with. I'm a Ukraine

449
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,119
Hawk supporter. He isn't. There's
some changes in his opinions on this and

450
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:52,039
then the other. I don't agree
with it. But on the other hand,

451
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,640
if we'd got if you've gone with
a Doug Burgham for example, or

452
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,920
somebody who what would Doug Burgham have
been? He would have been another Pence,

453
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,799
He would have been sort of another
hologram decent man was, you know,

454
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,720
integrity and smarts and all that.
But it just brings absolutely nothing vance

455
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:15,920
bring that that that cohort of the
country that is worried about people mired in

456
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,279
intergenerational poverty and drug use. I
mean, that's that's just that box tick

457
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,640
and and it's it's hard not to
see that. It's a way of saying,

458
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,119
I see these people, I see
this problem, I understand it,

459
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,920
and I'm concerned about it. But
you know when you say that he was

460
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,559
a strong critic and then he's changed, well two things. One, all

461
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,160
of us by this point in our
lives should know that politicians are infinitely malleable

462
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,079
depending on the circumstances, and we
shouldn't trust any of them. Uh.

463
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,519
And Two, from what I understand
about Trump, it's not what you said

464
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,440
yesterday is what you're saying today.
If you were just if you if you

465
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,480
were a critic a month ago,
but today you are in full throwner agreement

466
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,039
that matters more than what you said
before. And I don't know if that's

467
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,119
a personality defect or if it's just
human nature for him, or well,

468
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:05,480
he does like it when you bend
the knee. Yeah, the people around

469
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,519
him tend to be I guess I
will use the term acolytes, but there's

470
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:13,240
not people around him do not tend
to stand up to him, and the

471
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,319
ones that do don't last. What
do we mean by bend the knee though,

472
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:17,400
because I mean, I mean,
we've used that, We use it.

473
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,359
We use it a lot during the
early, you know, the first

474
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,279
Trump presidential campaign and administration, because
we wanted to say that a little bit

475
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,319
of the Caesar to it. We
wanted to say that a little bit of

476
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,039
the king and the authoritarian and the
rest of it, bend the knee.

477
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:34,200
We had that. But you know, maybe it's not so much as that,

478
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:39,039
as not bending the knee, but
just assuaging the the ego of of

479
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:45,160
of of making sure that he knows
you're on his side. That's not necessarily

480
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,799
submitting yourself to the to the magisterial
authority of Donald Trump. It's just it's

481
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,119
it's just saying I'm on. I'm
on the side of the people who don't

482
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,920
laugh at you as Donnie from Queen's
I'm on the side of the people who

483
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,400
are not making fun of you as
an RV stay short fingered vulgarian who doesn't

484
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,400
really belong in polite society at all. I'm not one of those. And

485
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:14,359
I'm coming around to the idea that's
that's what it is, not the authoritarian

486
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,839
nature, because the whole season of
authoritarian stuff just got very, very tired

487
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,240
early on when we saw that that
was not how the administration was going to

488
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:27,200
go. Yeah, I'm not sure
though that I'm not sure that that that's

489
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,400
true. I mean that I understand
what you're saying, except that I think

490
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,759
that the people the bending the knee
means you have to capitulate. And you

491
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,240
know, he has one thing we
can say about him is he has terrible,

492
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,799
terrible taste in staff, right.
I mean, by his own admission,

493
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,799
he's fired them all and didn't like
them all, and he surrounded himself.

494
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:53,519
He's a very bad hirer right,
And so loyalty is the most important

495
00:33:53,559 --> 00:34:00,480
thing for him because he's inconsistent.
So bending the knee is it is a

496
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,119
pejorative because it did. It does
seem like there were times and even I'm

497
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:12,519
sure we'll see in the future where
he's surrounded by willing eunuchs, right,

498
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,840
I mean, they think what's happened
to Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or any

499
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,159
of those people who were sort of
statesman in twenty fifteen, and then by

500
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:29,119
twenty eighteen we'reus sort of I mean
in Harem practically, so I'm not sure.

501
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,320
But again we're talking about then,
is right. We're talking about politicians

502
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,800
want access to power and the ability
to use power, and so the clearest

503
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,400
route to that is is going to
be going through the guy who's at the

504
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,719
top. Yeah, now, oh
sorry, No, I know nothing.

505
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,920
I'm and I don't mean to get
particularly spun up or part of this issue.

506
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,320
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507
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508
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556
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Think I'm seeing her, but Steve, you got you had a you

557
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,440
wanted a you wanted to chime in
on this is she had a sloped rough

558
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:04,679
or something. You get up.
She get an update for cloud from crowd

559
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,079
striker. That's That's one of my
jokes is how do you flumox the Secret

560
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:15,119
Service? You slip them a roofie. Now you are you are just you

561
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,360
know, stand up king today.
I'm having a good time with you guys.

562
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,599
I'm like you, James, I'm
kind of I'm kind of amped up.

563
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,800
Uh, but I do dissent from
Brother Rob. But Brother Rob,

564
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,960
you are my favorite rhino and I
usually thank you. But on this loyalty

565
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,599
question, I have a different perspective. First of all, as an old

566
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:35,039
guy, my knees don't bend very
well anymore. So this is a tough

567
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:39,199
subject. But I will concede to
you that Trump gives loyalty a bad name.

568
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:47,559
But look there, but loyalty to
presidents and administrations is actually very serious

569
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:52,400
and significant problem and a reasonable demand. I mean, Nixon complained about disloyal

570
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:58,199
appointees. The Reagan administration had a
big problem with that. And by the

571
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,400
way, I think you want to
make a distinction between political loyalty, which

572
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:07,280
is are you loyal to the president's
program and ideas or are you personal loyalty

573
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,719
to the person, or are you
out to make your own career. You

574
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,400
know, it used to be said
that Nancy Reagan had a superpower for being

575
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,480
able to tell when someone was working
in the Reagan White House to help Reagan

576
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:21,119
look good and help achieve his executives, or someone there to build up their

577
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,280
own resume and maybe sometimes undermine them. The problem with Trump is, and

578
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,800
I'm coming back closer to your position
again, is you don't know what his

579
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,119
program is. Necessarily. I think
a lot of people who went to work

580
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:36,239
for him, like General Kelly and
some of the others, they probably intended

581
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:42,119
to be loyal to him in the
ordinary sense. Hr mcma all those there's

582
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,199
very bard. They're all very able
people who would thrive in any other administration

583
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,880
with a president who was less shall
we say, mercurial than Trump was.

584
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,800
So one question for a second term, if we have one as expected,

585
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,280
is Trump going to be steadier and
more consistent in what he wants done?

586
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,760
Or if not, it'll be just
like the first term with lots of chaos.

587
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,679
Even if your point really able and
people who intend to be loyal.

588
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,599
So it's some more complicated problem,
that's all I mean. The second second

589
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:13,480
term would not have Russia Gate.
It would not have from the get go

590
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,800
this whole concerted narrative. That absolutely
clud what I mean, Yeah, that's

591
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,559
I mean, that's important. Is
it not? No, it's not,

592
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,079
It really isn't. I mean he
blew it in the first term. As

593
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:30,000
presidents in their second term have less
power, they accomplish less when they talk,

594
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,280
I'm talking about they need accomplishments.
What they need to do in the

595
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,920
second term is compromise and they think
about their legacy. And that's when they

596
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,920
get nervous because they don't have any
leverage because everybody knows it's not running again.

597
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,039
And the minute you get you take
off. As any second term president,

598
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,440
it's the same thing. The clock
is ticking. That's you know kind

599
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,360
of what they why they call the
second term president lame duck. We don't

600
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,400
have the stick you used to have. Well, not going to walk in

601
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,239
with that. That's going to be
this that's the political reality of his second

602
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,119
term. It would be that.
It's the reality anybody's second turm. I'm

603
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:01,840
sorry, Steve, go ahead,
No, that's another reason for the JD

604
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,840
Vance pick, right, is that
is pointing beyond it. In other words,

605
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,800
he doesn't want to be a typical
second term president. Well, yeah,

606
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,199
I mean I think I think that
that would be the three dimensional chess

607
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,719
argument for it. But I just
wish I knew what their what their plan

608
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,320
was in a country that is not
He is not going to I mean,

609
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,159
we're not going to have suddenly a
lock on the house in the Senate.

610
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,039
Even if he does, it's only
for two years. What his plan is

611
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,679
to do things differently from the way
he did them in the first term,

612
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,360
No, and I don't see that. But when I when I say there

613
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,400
won't be Russia Gate, I mean
we will have all We will have a

614
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,920
political landscape that is actually about the
issues. You may disregard, you may

615
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,440
disagree with what issues he wants and
the way he wants to do them,

616
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:58,320
But it seems as if we have
a fighting chance to do that without having

617
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:05,400
this immense, tornadic activity in the
press and the media and the culture about

618
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,360
Russiagate. Yeah, but remember,
Russia Gate was a problem for him because

619
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,000
he made it a problem for him, because he woke up every day and

620
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:16,280
spent three hours in his bedroom putting
on his makeup and fixing his hair and

621
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:21,360
tweeting and watching the morning shows and
getting furious he chose to do that.

622
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,920
I mean, if you look at
when Bill Clinton was being impeached, rightfully,

623
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,679
so in my mind it was about
to be kicked out of office,

624
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,119
which I wish he had had been. He actually managed to get things done.

625
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,039
If you cannot compartmentalize as a chief
executive, especially in your second term,

626
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,400
you're sunk, you're sunk. So
the idea that his I mean,

627
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,000
I mean, I know I'm a
broken record on this, you should probably,

628
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,320
I'm sure there's a million the Trump
supporters now turning this thing off because

629
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,880
nobody wants to hear it. But
no regards he didn't. The stuff he

630
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:55,119
got in his first term attacks a
bill, which I agreed with, and

631
00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:01,199
then some foreign policy successes which were
great, but he passed steel tariffs which

632
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:06,760
were idiotic and hurt the American economy. This is not an argument. You

633
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,519
can't argue this. This is twenty
nineteen economic data, and it was because

634
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:17,280
of what he did in steel for
steel, our trade gap I mean in

635
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:25,800
terms of importing exporting to Mexico went
south when he renegotiated foolishly NAFTA and didn't

636
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,440
change much except to include the big
trade unions on the bargaining table, and

637
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,519
then he went to China. This
is what happened. Right then he went

638
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,119
to China and rattled his sword,
and I was all in favor of it.

639
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,159
But the first thing he gave up
was in the intellectual property protections that

640
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:49,280
American businesses need. So it's like, this guy is inconsistent at best,

641
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,559
and we haven't gotten to the part
where he seated the entire federal government to

642
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:58,840
the swamp during COVID and he attacked
the Republican governors who stood up. So

643
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,360
I mean, I hope he's going
to be better, But like I think

644
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:07,280
we if you have the if you
have principles that are conservative, you have

645
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,920
to you can't just give them up. Because you know, he got shot

646
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,960
in the ear and looked heroic and
is in many ways kind of a cool

647
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,679
dude. I think he's a funny
guy and I think he's super charismatic,

648
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,079
But I don't know, Like this
is the world's getting more complicated. This

649
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,639
is the funny part is that you
have on the left right now people who

650
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,840
believe that Donald Trump is going to
get into office and institute Project twenty twenty

651
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,639
five and put them all in camps. They actually believe that we're here.

652
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,280
On the other side, you have
Rob Long saying no, I'm more's just

653
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,920
going to get back in and and
and put in more steel tariffs. But

654
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,159
I literally said he's going to which
I agree with you is a bad idea.

655
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,880
But what I'm talking about is that
we had four years, for three

656
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,360
years, of a cultural narrative about
this guy that was overblown. It was

657
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,280
absolutely, you know, just a
volcano of paranoia that I don't think we're

658
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,159
going to have this time because it's
burned itself out. And the idea that

659
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:07,079
we're going to replay the four years
of hair on fire that we had previously,

660
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,840
I don't think that's the case.
I think that that has been spent,

661
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,800
is what I'm saying. And so
in the absence, I mean,

662
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,519
one of the reasons possibly we couldn't
have good arguments about any of the things

663
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:21,880
you were talking about was because we
always were back into a corner about well,

664
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,320
he's a tool of Putin, and
that was the only thing that anybody

665
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,000
ever really talked about for a very
long time. In the absence of that,

666
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,199
I think there's an opportunity in the
first two years to have a little

667
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,239
bit more clarity and a little bit
more you know, discussion of the issues.

668
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,840
That's my hope. I may be
a Pollyanna. I'm sure I am.

669
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,239
We've got a few minutes here and
where we send out the part and

670
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,880
I will settle it, Rob.
But it won't go well for you because

671
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,320
I have to say I'm really unused
to Rob Long, the policy wonk.

672
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:59,760
But well, I mean, I
can do a different balance sheet on various

673
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,559
policy season, but I won't.
Instead, I want to look at something

674
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:06,239
that normally I would expect from you
to observe it. And just one example,

675
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:09,519
when George W. Bush pulled us
out of the Kyoto Protocol back in

676
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:13,079
two thousand and two, he just
did it with a letter, an executive

677
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:15,760
boarder or whatever. Yeah, when
Trump pulled us out of the Paris Climate

678
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,920
Accord, he did a big White
House ceremony, He had a brass band,

679
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,280
he invited me down. He talked
about how we love our coal miners.

680
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,360
By the way, coal mining went
down more under Trump than it did

681
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,920
under Obama. Okay, but the
point was is that why is that important?

682
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:35,599
That's important because like I said,
I have a more favorable view on

683
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,400
the balance sheet of policies than you
do. But the broader point is he

684
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:43,239
is he is, he is working
a well. First of all, it's

685
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,119
a frontal challenge to the premises and
the dialogue of our establishment. You know,

686
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,199
no other Republican would have had a
brass band to say, I'm going

687
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,280
to give the middle finger to the
Paris Climate Accord, which is a nothing

688
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,639
burger agreement. By the way.
He didn't need to do that, by

689
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:59,519
the way. Everybody around him was
against it. His Secretary of State was

690
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,159
against him doing that, if Jared
and Ivanka were against it, and he

691
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:06,079
went and did it. And that's
what I like about the guy. And

692
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:09,159
I think we're getting more of that. Please, And I'll just plant this

693
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,679
now and you guys will talk about
it later some other episode. But the

694
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,599
civil service reform idea, it sounds
wonky, and it's actually, I think

695
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:21,480
quite significant, And if he get
makes some progress on that, that's going

696
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,880
to be very significant. I think
I won agree. Okay, I do

697
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,960
too. And here's something else that
I'd like to see back. I'd like

698
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,760
to see back the push toward traditional
architecture and government building. Yes, and

699
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,199
I know that a lot of people
believe that this is just a precursor to

700
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,800
fascism, because you know what did
Musolini do well, Actually he went with

701
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,679
sort of a stripped down fascist modern
thing. But that's irrelevant. The idea

702
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,679
that somehow we are going to be
repudiating all of the progressive elements of the

703
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:50,679
twentieth century if we go back to
a more eye pleasing symmetrical form of architecture

704
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,920
is ridiculous. Of course it would
be. It would be they'd have a

705
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,880
better job making the argument on the
other side if they weren't defending hideous monstras

706
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,199
these that that that soil the landscape
at nearly almost every American city where they're

707
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,639
planted. I just love the idea. Biden, I think got rid of

708
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,440
that that the edict on day one, on day one, and I think,

709
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,760
you know, Trump will probably do
it back. There's probably some building

710
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,480
out there, and given the pace
at which these things are constructed and planned,

711
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:21,679
that's been in you know, that's
been moving along for six years now,

712
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:23,960
and now the guys who stripped off
the columns for the version that they're

713
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,599
planning to build are been wondering if
we're going to have to put the columns

714
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:30,000
back on that good thing. With
computer aid design, it can be,

715
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,800
it can be. Okay, when
Trump was Trump did this thing and we

716
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,960
had you know, it was symmetrical, it had a portico, it had

717
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,280
the columns. And then Biden came
in. We made it asymmetrical. We

718
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,840
added a whole bunch of reflective glass
and brutalless concrete on this side. But

719
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,039
not Trump's coming in. I wonder
if we can eat anybody got that drawing

720
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:51,280
beg that we had. You know, one of my my professor of architectural

721
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:57,840
history in college, gave a big, like a like a five day five

722
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:08,000
not five days, like three day
lecture on the the horrible turn in public

723
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,599
architecture from sort of you know,
you know modernism, if you like it,

724
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:16,400
you know, the steel glass thing, it's that's that's kind of everywhere,

725
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:22,400
but to the brutalist kind of concrete
stuff that they were doing. Every

726
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,239
federal building looks like that pretty much. And he said, and he used

727
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,239
the perfect example of it was the
Boston City Hall, right, which is

728
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,239
on this Skully Square, which these
old squares there's kind of beautiful and it's

729
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,239
like we used to be kind of
a rabbit's warren of roads and was just

730
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:42,119
this big flat plaza with this concrete
beehive on top of it that was asymmetrical

731
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,199
and kind of top heavy. And
he said, and I remember, this

732
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:52,519
goes this building, and this plaza
is fit only for angry and violent demonstrations.

733
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,199
And you look at you like,
yeah, like it's a it's a

734
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,679
it's a government screaming at the people
and providing them flat ground in the you

735
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:06,599
know, with no trees to screen
back. And and it was exactly right.

736
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,039
I can never look at those buildings
again. So yeah, okay,

737
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:14,800
I'm I'm in favorite brass bands when
we pull out of stupid climate change nonsense.

738
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:22,079
I'm in favor of putting a doric
columns back. But he's about to

739
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:23,639
say no, no, no,
no, I must not be right there,

740
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,360
because you're right. He was right
about the brutalism building. And as

741
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,960
I've said before, it's interesting whenever
they make a movie about a dystopian future,

742
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,960
all they have to do is go
and find a college campus somewhere that

743
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,119
was built between sixty five and seventy
five, and they have all of the

744
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,599
humorless oppressive nature of an authority and
state, authoritarian state right there. It's

745
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,599
an awful form of architecture. And
I thought it was dead. I thought

746
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,280
we were past it. Yeah,
it was in Edinburgh last week, a

747
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,599
couple of weeks ago. I got
to see the new Scottish Parliament. Oh

748
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:54,920
it's that awful I've seen now,
absolute excressence of it. It's one of

749
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,639
the worst buildings I've ever seen in
my life. And if you look at

750
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:01,320
the design, and you will say, well, you can see that it's

751
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,239
intended to be a tree that grows
out, and that these are the leafs.

752
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,280
Yes, if you are about a
thousand feet in the air looking down,

753
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,199
if you are standing around it,
it is a boldus formless, shapeless

754
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:21,559
thing that is spattered for no apparent
reason with these strange shapes that look like

755
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,320
sevens or inverted elves or something like
that. And I couldn't figure out what

756
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,000
they were. They're all over the
place. They're like a strange barnacle that

757
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:34,280
fastened to the building. So we
go inside and it's brutalist. It's it's

758
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,440
a brutalist bill. It literally is
raw concrete. You can see it everywhere,

759
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,400
unadorned. It's the sort of thing
that you can just I mean,

760
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,320
it looks like what the who are
relieving their bladders on and the Who's next

761
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,559
cover album. It's awful. You
go to this door that takes you up

762
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:52,159
this this meandering staircase, so you
go and see your parliamentary people at work.

763
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,760
And instead of I mean, I'd
just been to Holyroot, I'd just

764
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:01,800
been to you know, other beautiful
buildings, and I'd seen that even the

765
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:08,719
humblest of spaces elevated the soul,
embigned your sense of glory, that the

766
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:15,639
smallest, most reasonable buildings, commercial
or otherwise had an element of uplift to

767
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:17,719
it. They said that we're going
to gather together the spirit of humanity in

768
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,360
this doorframe. What you get in
the Scottish Parliament is an unadorned, concrete,

769
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,320
dank little thing through which you have
to pass, and it makes you

770
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,800
feel as though you are just nothing
but a gnat, that the great stony

771
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,840
finger of the state is going to
come down to crush. But at least

772
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,119
they explain what the things on the
outside of the building are. They have

773
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,199
a keith. Here's this shape,
it means this. Here's this shape,

774
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:44,840
it means this. And I found
a strange seven inverted l whatever the hell

775
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:52,599
this thing was, and it is
a abstract representation of a skating minister meant

776
00:52:52,719 --> 00:53:01,639
to meant to connote motion, joy
forward movement. Well, well, no,

777
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:06,000
no, no, no, I
know what painting they're talking about.

778
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,440
I had seen it the day before
in the museum. I'd literally been staring

779
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,840
because I know the painting before I
saw it, and I'm looking at it

780
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,079
as I'm happy to meet an old
friend in person. How are you.

781
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,480
I'm looking at this painting. It's
having a wry sense of amusement at its

782
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,199
composition, and it's and then I'm
thinking, I just saw this thing,

783
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,960
and it never occurred to me looking
at your building, that these shapes movement

784
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,880
to be an example of that.
If you failed with me, you failed

785
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,880
with absolutely everybody. And if we
have, thanks to Donald Trump, a

786
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,199
new architectural standard that once again speaks
to the deep roots of the culture and

787
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,599
the country in all of the antecedents. You know what, I don't give

788
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:52,400
a rats pitute about steel tabs,
But I remember Churchill's famous line about architecture.

789
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:57,760
First we shape our buildings, and
then our buildings shape us. And

790
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,360
by the way, it's worth reading
the whole speech where he lays out why

791
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,199
Parliament has to be rebuilt exactly the
way it was after the Germans bombed in

792
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,480
the war. And so yeah,
if you get brutalist architecture for your a

793
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,480
parliament building, I think there probably
is a connection with our brutalist politics that

794
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:15,599
have come along at the same time. Wrapping it up there, Steve,

795
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:16,679
good for you. Well, before
we go, a couple of things.

796
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,239
One I'm going to Rob. You
want to tell him about the meet up,

797
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,440
So we just should tell him to
go to ricochet dot com and see

798
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,280
if I go to riche do com. We got a couple of meetups one

799
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,559
last week of July. We have
one scheduled in Saint Louis early October.

800
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,119
There are plenty slots left. He's
joined Ricochet, or come to a meetup,

801
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,480
or just join Ricochet and tell people
you want to meet up at a

802
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,239
certain time and place and people will
show up. I would be remiss if

803
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,440
I did not give Rob the opportunity
to tell some delightful little Hollywood anecdote about

804
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,719
Bob NewART, who's passing. We
deeply lament since he was an incredibly you

805
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,199
don't want to say influential. I
don't want to replay his krusty eulogy,

806
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:57,880
but it was hard to know if
he influenced anybody. It was in very

807
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:04,559
subtle ways because his his ability to
style was so unique and so wonderful.

808
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:09,000
Yeah yeah, I mean I think
unfortunately he didn't influence enough people because he

809
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:12,920
was a really he was a genius
and he and he was just a pure

810
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,800
economy this guy. Uh never no
movement, no no line, no eyebrow

811
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,800
move nothing was out of it.
All was just the perfect timing. He

812
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,159
sort of invented it in a lot
of ways. And he has the people

813
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,119
who don't know, I'm like younger
people like he did this trademark stammer,

814
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:35,880
he did the button down Mine of
Bob Newhart was the biggest selling album and

815
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,280
biggest selling comedy album and it remained
that way I think until the the eighties

816
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,559
or something. I mean, he
just was the number one and and it

817
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:51,079
was just him having a one way
phone call. Uh and with the variety

818
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:54,840
of things are one way conversation,
and it's unbelievably brilliant. It's sort of

819
00:55:54,840 --> 00:56:00,920
Will Rogers Mark Twain kind of level
of genius. And he and he had

820
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,000
a way of talking that was really
his way. Although it had had you

821
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,199
know, become more of a signature, and I just will tell he he

822
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,000
I don't think he told me the
story because we worked, we did a

823
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,400
show together. But I think his
son told me the story. I know

824
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,480
he made he told his story that
he's at. You know, he said,

825
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:20,480
my kids, you know, they
don't even listen to this. Only

826
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,599
the oldest one served my albums.
The youngest is youngest daughter, Courtney.

827
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:28,880
He's this wonderful, wonderful person.
Uh she you know, she's she's too

828
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,079
young. She didn't really know what
he did. And they're at Thanksgiving dinner

829
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:37,079
in his house, his beautiful house
and Bellair having Thanksgiving, and he's telling

830
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:38,159
the story to the kids. He's
saying, and you know, he's trying

831
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,920
to tell a story about when he
was growing up. And his his daughter,

832
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,000
youngest daughter, Courtney, says,
Dad, can you talk faster?

833
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:55,880
And he said, no, Courtney
did this is the way I talk.

834
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:01,239
I talked, and and then he
gestured the house into the and that is

835
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:07,679
why we we have these things.
It's because this is how I talk.

836
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:14,400
And just like he nailed it,
like and and it was you could you

837
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:19,119
could imitate it, but you couldn't
catch whatever that little spark was inside him

838
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,800
that made it funny, so you
could you could repeat word for word with

839
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,440
the same number of pauses everything he
said, and for some reason was missing

840
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,400
the soul and and uh, he
was just the He was the greatest.

841
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,039
He was the greatest, and an
incredibly nice guy to work with and very

842
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,000
very thoughtful with the writers. But
every now and then he would come up

843
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:45,880
to you and say things like,
can can we just give somebody else this

844
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:52,800
line? Or or can I just
not say anything in the scene. The

845
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,360
star of the show rarely makes that
request, but he's like, I don't

846
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,239
really, I don't know. I
feel like you gave me a line for

847
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,360
no reason. I could just stand
there. This isn't mind stay there.

848
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,079
He was like, yeah, I'll
just stand there behind the desk, or

849
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,360
stand there at the table, or's
all just stand there like that's what I

850
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,960
do. I'm fine and like to
have a star of that level that magnitude

851
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:16,039
actively lobbying for less was kind of
a gift. Was he responsible for the

852
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:23,800
greatest ending of any sitcom series well
conceived? I can tell you what I

853
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:34,840
think he remembers it that he had
come up with it, and he might

854
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,360
have. However, I worked with
a very, very very talented writer who

855
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,920
had been a young writer on New
Heart before he became a young writer on

856
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,199
Cheers and was there when I was
there, and years before the end of

857
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:51,840
New Heart, he said that he
had pitched this idea once in the room

858
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,159
and they all kind of laughed.
So somehow the idea was out there.

859
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,559
And I won't give it away because
some people don't know it. But it's

860
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:00,880
a great ending to it. But
but I remember Bob was telling me like

861
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,639
it was a great ending. Everybody
loved it. The only problem was it

862
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:09,639
was extremely painful and emotionally damaging to
the woman playing his wife in the second

863
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:15,360
series, who felt like because she
knew she never she had never measured up

864
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,679
to zample set Well. I was
just going to say, yeah, the

865
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,639
entire thing may just be if you
have that much power in Hollywood, the

866
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:25,400
ability to get back in bed wizards. But there we end for the week

867
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:30,400
and Stephen, it's you anything.
Yeah, I've just said we're ending,

868
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:32,039
all right, Stevens still here?
You got anything you want to say?

869
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:37,760
No? All right? Been a
pleasure. As ever, this was episode

870
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,519
number seven hundred. How did we
get him? Only because Ricochet is fun

871
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,280
and once you go there, if
you have not gone there yet, uh

872
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,519
just discovering this podcast, I entirely
possible, go there and you will find

873
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:52,960
the place you've been looking for all
your life. On the Internet. Seriously,

874
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,639
not Facebook, not Twitter, not
x not Instagram, not The Talks,

875
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:02,239
no Sane Center, civil conversations and
crazy. Sometimes elbows are throwing,

876
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:07,199
pans are hurled at heads, but
it's all part of a community that we

877
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:08,280
love. The member feed, that's
where it's at. And yeah, you

878
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,480
got to cop up a couple of
shekels to get there, but it's worth

879
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:14,760
every single one of them. Go
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880
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,960
still an iTunes no music podcast whatever
Apple's calling it? Give us five stars?

881
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,400
Would it kill you? Wouldn't kill
you? And join us next week

882
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,639
when who knows, maybe Ann will
be back. I have this horrible feeling

883
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,760
that actually she doesn't know that she
was disconnected and that she was answering our

884
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:32,880
She's been answering our question for the
last forty seven minutes, so much knowing

885
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,760
her would be possible, and it
would be hilariously funny anyway to listen to.

886
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,599
So if there's a lost recording of
Ann's reply in forty seven minutes.

887
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:45,519
We'll be putting it out as an
extra bonus adjunk podcast. Gentlemen. That's

888
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:50,800
it for me, I except to
note that Bob Newhart's second album was recorded

889
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,480
here partially in Minneapolis. Thank you
very much. Mat. That's it.

890
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:58,159
We'll see you later, and we'll
see you in the comments, said Ricochet

891
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:07,000
four point zero. Next week,
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