WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:05.960 Mac. I had a true Fenton's horse Ranch moment over the weekend. I'm 2 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:08.960 not having any any fun right now. I'd like to get off. I 3 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:14.080 went snowboarding, skiing, you know, winter activities. Sure, my wife's 4 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:18.879 family went to Vermont, had a lovely time. Okay, I hadn't snowboarded 5 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:24.480 in eleven years, and mind you, I had only snowboarded once prior to 6 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:28.600 that. So in my entire lifetime leading up to this past weekend, I 7 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:33.320 had snowboarded once. Had you skied before? No? Okay, So I 8 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:37.439 told you going into this weekend knowing that you were pretty inexperienced, you're better 9 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:41.359 off just picking up a set of skis. So went over to the mountain 10 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.880 snow in Vermont. If you've ever heard of it, Oh mount snow. 11 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:49.039 You're not just yelling snow right, went up the lift, hopped off the 12 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:52.320 lift. I was with my wife's cousins. She didn't do it, she's 13 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:56.000 just learning how to ski now. And I didn't realize that I was with 14 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:00.600 a bunch of fucking rocket powers that were I've been shredding the nar with your 15 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:07.319 rodders on a mission, I will say now, I haven't snowboarded in twenty 16 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:11.760 years. I snowboarded when I was a teen. When I got to my 17 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.519 adult life, similar situation to you, I hadn't snowboarded forever. Was going 18 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.000 on a ski trip. I decided to ski, knowing that it's easier to 19 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.560 pick up you're in, you have a little bit more control at the beginning, 20 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:26.480 and also us having ice skating backgrounds, it helps tremendously when you're learning 21 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.079 to ski, so I figured you would go that way. I picked up 22 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:33.200 skiing pretty quickly. Love skiing. Now back to me, I was a 23 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:37.439 regular squid, pretty much torking my way down the mountain, you know, 24 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:42.239 on my heels. Just took me a very long time to get down, 25 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.480 and after my first run, I'm like, I'm gonna take a couple hours 26 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.040 off. Sure, I'm gonna, you know, mentally get back into it. 27 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:52.239 And then at the end of the day I went back up one more 28 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.079 time and pretty much by myself because they had all moved on to fucking blue 29 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:01.560 trails, Black trails, Olympic trails, and I'm just by myself, just 30 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:07.519 slowly going down the hill finding paths that are completely flat, so I have 31 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.719 to take the board off my feet and walk getting stuck in ditches. That's 32 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:14.639 the other downside of snowboarding. You don't have the poles to push yourself. 33 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:16.680 And at one point I was just laying there on my back staring at the 34 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:21.840 sky, going I wonder if one of the fucking ski patrollers will pick me 35 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.159 up next time you go. If there's a next time ski, you won't 36 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:30.800 be as bad as you are at snowboarding number two. I don't know, 37 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.879 Like, why did you take the lessons with Dana? You just thought you 38 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:38.039 were. I went down the bunny hill absolutely fine, Okay, it was 39 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.680 just when I got on the actual mount. No, It's a lot like 40 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:46.360 you know how when I go golf, I'm fine interest wise for like six 41 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.000 or seven holes, and then I'm fucking bored. After I go down one 42 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.560 of the hills. I'm like, I think I've already done this. Uh 43 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:54.080 see, I get I get like a need for speed type of thing. 44 00:02:54.479 --> 00:03:00.400 Where I'm at now in my ski evolution is I am not used to fresh 45 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:02.599 pole. So if it's snowing a lot when you go, are you an 46 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:09.280 expert pow your skis or your snowboard dig in two three four inches and it's 47 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:14.120 much harder than the stuff that's been groomed, and you're kind of on top 48 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:16.879 of So the last time I went, it was fresh fresh gnar, you 49 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:22.039 know, and my legs are on fire and flago. As some people say, 50 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.120 I'm the exact opposite. I hated speed. As soon as I picked 51 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.879 up any speed, I just fell down. I just I was like, 52 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.879 I'm just gonna fall in my ass. I'll skip a couple of steps and 53 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:32.960 then I'll pop back up, make an ass go wide. I don't want 54 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.879 to get on my toes and fall. So I think we found out you 55 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:42.800 should snowboard. I ate at least seven times. You can get hurt more 56 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.879 snowboarding too, because you fall on your wrists. I did a very good 57 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.199 job because you told me ahead of time, don't fall on your wrists. 58 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.680 So what I did is anytime that I was falling forward, I put my 59 00:03:51.800 --> 00:04:10.159 arms out in fucking Superman one good three, Yeah, job three. King 60 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:21.800 of Queen Meryl Street Entertainment, I'm go and Dom Matt and we are the 61 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:28.079 Mac and Goo program. We bring you friendship and an episode that no one 62 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.199 really wants. I'll tell you you're talking about getting injured while skiing, snowboarding. 63 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.560 This show I think brought me more pain than any ski or snowboarding experience 64 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:41.600 my last weekend. Nope, I'd rather watch Echo again. Yeah. Today 65 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:46.439 we are finally finally getting to Jess Jones season three to I'm just not just 66 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.839 getting there, We're getting the Echo. Echo came out on January ninth on 67 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:55.639 Disney Plus. All five episodes came out at once. I think it was 68 00:04:55.720 --> 00:05:00.360 five if I recall correctly. This is the tenth show slash series in the 69 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:05.839 MCU and the forty third MCU property overall. We're so deep in now I'm 70 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:10.399 not gonna just start including the Netflix stuff and all that other stuff they are 71 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:14.399 technically, let me ask you now. So my big question out of this 72 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:17.319 is because they called this a spotlight and they made a big point of saying 73 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.439 you don't need to watch any of the other MCU stuff to watch this, 74 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:26.399 and vice versa. But this is a part of the universe, because that 75 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.560 makes that kind of confusing. Oh, it's definitely a part of it. 76 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.519 They're just doing that that way. It's it's sort of a one off, 77 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.560 but it's still in the universe, I know. But no effect on anything. 78 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.759 No, it has a huge effect on stuff. Well, yes, 79 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.879 we'll talk about that. You know it. It has a huge effect on 80 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:46.879 that. And by the way, this is gonna be spoiler folks, but 81 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:51.279 so canonically, yes it is here. Do you have to watch it? 82 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:56.040 No, don't worry about it. No. No, But the next time 83 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.160 that you watch something, you say, wait a second, how did this 84 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.959 happen? I know, I know. That's honestly, like the biggest thing 85 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.759 that's bothering me from this. It has nothing to do with Echo or the 86 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:08.160 character. It's the character of Kingpin and where we end up with. No, 87 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.680 so don't call it a spotlight. Don't just say it's a part of 88 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.519 the MCU if you want it, like if you wanted it to be its 89 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.079 own thing, like Werewolf by Night what you're saying, then don't have it 90 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:20.279 be consequential to the rest of the story. I get what you're saying, 91 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:25.800 and you're right. So this is the first spotlight production I will tactically. 92 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:30.160 Was Werewolf also spotlight or was it called something else? I don't know. 93 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.000 I'm pretty sure this is, but you could rope that in with this. 94 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.519 It's sort of sort of of the same ILK. Yeah, because the Guardian's 95 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:42.439 Christmas was a part of Cannon because they did make Mantis his sister and they 96 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:44.920 used that in the movie. Well, this is part of Cannon. I 97 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:46.759 know, I'm aware of that, but they went out of their way to 98 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.839 be like, you don't have to watch the other stuff. Yeah. Yeah, 99 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.279 So I wonder how many more of the things they'll do like this, 100 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:57.079 because this obviously didn't do well and I think they're doing too much as it 101 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:01.240 is, so they should probably halt with the spotlight Stuffku Echo is a TVM 102 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:08.480 action adventure in crime. There's not much action and adventure and there's a crime. 103 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.480 There's two actions, two actions to crimes. This had two hundred and 104 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.720 eight minutes. That's three hours, almost three and a half hours of content. 105 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.720 On Rotten Tomatoes, I believe again once once again. Five episodes, 106 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:24.639 a very awkward five episodes. On Rotten Tomatoes, it says seventy percent from 107 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:28.519 the critics, sixty one percent from the audience. Who that is the third 108 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:32.959 worst audience score of the ten Marvel series, or I should say seasons of 109 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:38.040 television, because there was two seasons of Loki. On Metacritic, gu a 110 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:42.120 sixty two, which is the worst critics score on Metacritic out of the ten, 111 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:46.879 although just below Secret Invasion. But sixty two is actually not bad at 112 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:51.680 all. So the critics have been generally okay with everything Marvel is doing. 113 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:57.399 The audience not so much lately. And I don't know, like sixty one 114 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:01.439 percent to me sounds super high because I have not heard one person say they 115 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:05.759 liked the show. There were something that thought it was fine. I haven't 116 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.000 found anyone that liked the show. Yeah, so you mentioned the three hour 117 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.240 and thirty minute runtime. Are you ready for this? I'm ready to straddle 118 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.560 the fence. Let's do it. It is both its strength and its weakness. 119 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.399 I would say the strength of this show, and we'll get to it 120 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.360 when we do the Gauntlet, is that it came out all at once, 121 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.759 so I could no, No, that is a plus. I wouldn't say 122 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.360 that. So the show at least tries to flesh out the character like it 123 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:37.480 takes time to way in the family dive a little bit deeper. So I'm 124 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.360 gonna give it credit for that. But what they gave us was it necessarily 125 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.879 entertaining. No, not at all. And they also there are a couple 126 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.960 paths they go down that lead absolutely nowhere, and you're like, well, 127 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.200 if you're gonna do three and a half hours or something, you might as 128 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.080 well do the final half hour or another forty five minutes and like really flesh 129 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.519 out the one or two characters that seemed like they were gonna be meaningful from 130 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.559 the first step episode, you know. Yeah, and even the one off 131 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.240 scenes in this and they would usually open each episode with a one off scene, 132 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:11.320 usually having to do with her Native American heritage background, and those are 133 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:15.799 the most interesting things in the episode, and they really didn't have anything to 134 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.240 do with the rest of the story. I pretty much hated every flashback they 135 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.600 did, and I'm trying why they were doing it. Yeah, and I 136 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:28.159 suppose they did them well, they did not help the series whatsoever. KU. 137 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.840 This series was directed by Sidney Freeland. She did four of the episodes. 138 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.000 Again, I don't remember if it was five or six. That's how 139 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:37.399 this show was. No one got it created by title, which I think 140 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.840 is the first series to have that. There's usually a created by someone takes 141 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.480 credit for it, so apparently no one wanted to take credit for this synopsis. 142 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.799 Maya Lopez must face her past, reconnect with her native American roots and 143 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.559 embrace the meaning of family and community if she ever hopes to move forward. 144 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:58.200 Now, before you go, I'll say two things here. We have no 145 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.279 investment at all in my and the character of Echo. She pops up in 146 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.399 Hawkeye for what three episodes, whatever it is. She's a decent character. 147 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.840 You don't mind her. There's not one person that saw her, and Hawkeye 148 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:15.720 was like, she needs her own shit. But I was curious what her 149 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:20.919 connection to Kingpin was. Sure, and it kind of like I kind of 150 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:24.519 liked that flashback of him kicking that guy's ass, but we've seen a bunch 151 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.159 of that with Kingpin. Yeah. And the second part here, the embrace 152 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.519 the meaning of family and community if she ever hopes to move forward. This 153 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:37.879 felt like the reason this series got made was so that they could throw a 154 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.320 little lasso into the Native American realm and be like, Okay, we want 155 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:43.679 to do this represent people that aren't normally represented, which I get and I 156 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:48.120 totally understand. And like I said, they did that relatively well. However, 157 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:54.159 that stuff just there's a disconnect between that and the character, Like it 158 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.080 doesn't play up at all, It doesn't round out Mile whatsoever. Yeah, 159 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:03.039 I agree, This show stars a Loqua Cox as Miya Lopez Echo, and 160 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.639 again kudos to her for being deaf, and she's an amputee, so you 161 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.440 know she gets her flowers there. And I don't think like I don't necessarily 162 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:13.960 have an issue with her at all, and her in the way she acts 163 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:18.840 the character just everything else around it. Chaskey Spencer as Henry black Crow Lopez. 164 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.159 I believe that was her uncle. I want to say, uh tantu 165 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.039 Cardinal is Chula. That was the grandfather type figure. Graham Green as Scully. 166 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.039 I don't even remember who fuck that was. That might have been the 167 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.480 cousin, the guy cousn with the pickup. Defrey Jacobs is Bonnie. She 168 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:37.000 was like the paramedic firefighter character, Cody lightning his biscuits. No biscuits was 169 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.480 the U? Was the pickup biscuits was? Yes? And then we have 170 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:46.480 Vincent Dinofrio as Kingpin. The only thing I'll say here again is I don't 171 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:52.120 know if I disliked any of the performances. Just everything that was on screen 172 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.759 was so uninteresting. It had no meaning and there's no ramifications like it just 173 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.799 it felt half asked is the word. It felt just like a total misstep, 174 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.519 total misfire on Marvel's part. So, like you think the Marvel stuff 175 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.240 was half fast, do you think the mcu stuff was half fast in this? 176 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:15.320 But I also don't think what they give us makes Maya a better character, 177 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.200 both the Native American side and the Kinkking stuff. I'm not rooting for 178 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.679 Maya any more than I was before the show. I don't think it helps 179 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:24.919 your character at all. In fact, I'm more confused as to what her 180 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.279 character can do. I'm just confused as to how this plays into anything. 181 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.879 Yeah, so let me jump down to the second here, So her character 182 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.320 of Echo can do different stuff in the comics than what she ends up doing 183 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:41.440 on screen here, And this is the premise of her character. For those 184 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.279 of you that didn't quite pick up on it maybe two months ago, maybe 185 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.519 maybe you're rounding in the three four years ago when this thing came out. 186 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.600 The character of Chafa is the first Choctaw. That's the ancestor we see in 187 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.600 the opening minutes of the series, the first three four minutes of the seriesak 188 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.759 Loak is the lacrosse player. You know, we saw her in an extended 189 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.679 are we spoiling right now? Yeah? He can spoil. Okay, So 190 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.679 before we start spoiling, do you recommend this to people? No? God, 191 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.960 no, I don't either, absolutely not. Yeah uh. And this 192 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.360 Lowa character is like the fierce competitor, Chafa is like the powerful one. 193 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.639 Tucklo is the woman we see fighting criminals with her father in that eighteen hundreds 194 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.120 flashback, which like we sort of just glossed over. She never even gets 195 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:30.200 mentioned again until like the final five minutes of the series. She's that protector 196 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.879 of life so called. And then Taloa is Echo's mother and she has this 197 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.960 like sort of healing gift. So the idea is Maya is supposed to be 198 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.240 an echo of these four characters. That's how they that's their spin on Echo 199 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.159 here, which is much different than what she is in the comic book. 200 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.759 So I'm sure the compook people that love Echo aren't happy about that. I'm 201 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:56.840 okay with the premise of that. But when we finally see Echo like power 202 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.039 up and use some sort of power, it's the end of the series. 203 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.000 It makes no sense and you have no idea what she's doing. You have 204 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.120 no clue what's going on, and it's not explained well at all at all, 205 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.480 And they also for some reason. And I look, this is maybe 206 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:18.759 some of the best stuff from the Netflix shows is Kingpins flashbacks. But I 207 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:20.720 didn't need to go back there. Again, No, we didn't need to 208 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.600 rehash Kingpin stuff, or at the very least, if we're gonna do that, 209 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:28.720 make it worth something in the future, which they don't in this series. 210 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.080 And good to your point is this part of the MCU. This is 211 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.000 set five months after the events of Hawkey. At the conclusion of Hawkey, 212 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:41.120 we shoot. We see Maya shoot Kingpin in the face, presumably, and 213 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.440 then it cuts to Black. We have no idea what happens there. And 214 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:48.720 at the beginning of the series, she's being pursued by Fisk in his ding 215 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:50.600 Back cronies. So like, all right, he survives. He now has 216 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:56.240 an eye patch on, but like halfway in, like episode three, he 217 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.480 just takes the eye patch off and his eye is totally fine. It is 218 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.279 milky, barely a scar. Yeah, it's a little milky. Maybe has 219 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.240 some cataracts, but there's no lasting effects from being shot. He has the 220 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:11.200 contact in from Limp biscuits. Yeah, like he didn't lose an eye. 221 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:15.720 There's no real lasting effect from it. I don't know how you could explain 222 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:20.639 that because king Pin isn't really enhanced. You know, he's sort of pseudo 223 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:24.600 French. He's he's bigger than life's wrong, he doesn't have a power, 224 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:28.879 and he's definitely is not fucking bulletproof. So that like that stuck in my 225 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.840 craw for longer than it should have. Like a week after watching this, 226 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.879 I'm like, how the fuck does he get shot in the face not only 227 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.440 survive but have no lasting scar from it? But also, so now this 228 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.440 Spotlight show. If you didn't watch this thinking that, like, oh, 229 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.600 this is something that I don't need to watch, he pops up in a 230 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.840 Spider Man or Daredevil show and he's absolutely fine. Right, It's gonna be 231 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.399 real confusing because she healed him, she healed his mind, and his eye 232 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.159 is fine. Now yeah, I guess yeah, for lack of a better 233 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:02.559 term, she's sort of made him open his eyes to what he could see. 234 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:07.200 She gave him a lasik. And then if you didn't watch this series, 235 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.519 he is gonna pop up again in whatever it is, and the last 236 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.279 thing memory you'll have is that he got shot in the face at the end 237 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.320 of Hawkeye, and now he's just cool. But to be honest with you, 238 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.759 that's a better explanation than what this series gives you. I have now 239 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.759 seen him in two mcu properties, and I don't think he's been good in 240 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.960 either. I thought he was the exact same character in Hawkeye as he was 241 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.559 in Daredevil. But again, he was in half of an episode of Dared 242 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.639 of uh Hawk. Again, I am much lower on Daredevil and him in 243 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.320 general, So it doesn't bother me that he's not this fucking stand up character. 244 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.639 Well, no, and Daredevil he's a big, physically imposing guy. 245 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:47.639 Thought he was the exact same He gets beaten by a rookie Hawkey and then 246 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.639 Maya who shoot him in the face as the man. You always say that 247 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:55.720 what you always talk about, how how cool Hawkey is not Hailey Steinfeld Hawkey. 248 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:57.480 Oh she's even cooler. No, she's definitely cool. I never said, 249 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.320 look, cool is not a part of beating a kingpin. I don't 250 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:04.759 know. I don't know cool factor. You ever consider that cool clip? 251 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.079 Is that one of our new things? The cool whip? Yeah? You 252 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.440 want to go through the gautlet here? I guess fun factor, Yes, 253 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.079 it's devoid of fun. There's there's a scene that I like. There's one 254 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.880 scene out of the full three and a half hours that I liked. That's 255 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.200 episode three. Yep. I like the idea of that. The editing in 256 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.079 it is fucking terrible, fair enough, not gonna disagree with it. There 257 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:30.240 is there is one idea of the scene. More than anything. There is 258 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:34.839 one cut where they cut from one talking about the laser tag roller ring scene. 259 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.039 They cut from that to the exact same shot. Yeah, not great. 260 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:42.079 That looks fucking stupid. The first episode, I actually liked that one 261 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:48.039 better when Daredevil pops up for thirty five thirty seven seconds because of that, 262 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:52.400 that's because you thought it was me six minutes. No, I always consider 263 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.640 thirty seconds to be six minutes, So I'm fine with that. Satisfactor. 264 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:03.599 No, like even if so hold up, this is their first TVMA, 265 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.079 and even that feels kind of half assed too. Yeah, good point about 266 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.240 that. I didn't even know that. That's a nice little fun fact right 267 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:14.519 there. I don't think there's anything satisfying in this. In fact, you 268 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.680 know, piggybacking off of what we were just talking about, the fact that 269 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.680 Daredevil was teased to being here in this six minute epic fight and it ends 270 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:25.039 up being one minute and like thirty seconds of it's less than that. No, 271 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.279 I actually I took it down. Oh I got stats coming up here, 272 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:33.279 go ahead. That actually made the satisfactor go negative because we expected this 273 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.319 and it was like way down here, So it was not satisfying whatsoever. 274 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:44.960 Borrominer, Yes, I was intrigued until the end of the first episode. 275 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:49.599 They kind of wrote me back in during the third episode, but then all 276 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:53.960 the Kingpin stuff just completely lost me. Three hours and twenty eight minutes. 277 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:59.559 I would say I was bored for three hours and fifteen minutes Halloween. Will 278 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.799 this win over time? And the answer is yes, yeah. And they're 279 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.039 very lucky that I binged it, because if this was a weekly release, 280 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.400 I never would have finished it, never would have made it through episode two 281 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:17.440 Aquator? Is this better or worse than twenty seventeen's Aquaman at six? It's 282 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.720 not nearly as good in fact, which, by the way, I'm super 283 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:26.440 excited that tomorrow we get to watch Aquaman two finally, finally, so look 284 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:27.720 out for that in the next couple of weeks. Time for the Gooby Vault. 285 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.880 I know, next couple weeks we'll do a full episode on it. 286 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:34.920 We'll see if we'll see if it floats. Right, Pants ten City Excite 287 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:40.839 bike Mania? What got you going again? I thought the roller rank laser 288 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.200 tag fight was cool. That's it. That's all I had. That's the 289 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:45.960 only thing I thought was cool in the whole series. I did like the 290 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.359 hand to hand stuff with Daredevil, but you hate the length of it. 291 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:56.200 And then the finale of this was terrible, Like what's the opposite of a 292 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:04.799 Pants ten? It's a great question. I can retract my penis, God 293 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.640 Max credit Union. Who you're giving credit to? I guess to Figy or 294 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.880 whoever it was that decided to release this all. That was all it was 295 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:17.039 because I think a majority of people that watched the show would not have finished 296 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:19.559 it if it was week to week. Yeah. It reminds me of when 297 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:23.359 they put out WandaVision and they said, let's put the first three episodes out 298 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.240 at once, or the first two episodes, Like, let's bunch up a 299 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.440 couple episodes because if we just put out one, we might lose some people. 300 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:38.279 Yep, hot Dog Hot dug for those of you tarty to the Mac 301 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:44.359 and Goo party, we rate everything on a forty hot dog Bassis and Mac. 302 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:48.759 I saw this roughly a month ago. The stuff that people liked in 303 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.079 it, I'm the opposite. I think different than most people. I didn't 304 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.920 really care for that episode three fight scene. I thought some of it was 305 00:20:55.960 --> 00:21:00.240 cool. I thought that the show should have went harder into the TVMA to 306 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.160 the R rated stuff, and they only gave us two really good fights in 307 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.559 this. The stuff with her and Kingpin, I thought sucked. I have 308 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.880 not liked Vincentinafrio's Kingpin in this, or whoever's directing him, whoever's writing him. 309 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:15.799 I have not liked him in this compared to Daredevil, which I feel 310 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.640 the same way about him and Hawkeye as well. I thought that last episode 311 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.319 of Hawkeye was a little bit of a letdown, but a lot of the 312 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.680 MCU shows have kind of had a tough time on their final episodes. Alecqua 313 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.799 Cox is pretty good in this. I will give her credit with that. 314 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.039 I mean, she does what they ask her to do. The power set 315 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:40.559 isn't great. I do like some of the flashbacks, but overall, there's 316 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:44.759 nothing really gripping here. There's nothing holding me in. And if it was 317 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:48.200 a week two week show and we weren't doing this, I don't know if 318 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.880 I would have finished it. What do you got for dog score? I 319 00:21:52.920 --> 00:22:00.680 don't know. To your point though, yeah, as well as she acts 320 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.440 it, because she's kind of a bad guy. Yeah, she's a really 321 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.640 hard character to root for, Like you don't care what happens to her. 322 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:08.440 Oh, I know, if she died in this, I'd be cool with 323 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:12.240 that. Yeah, Like it wouldn't have mattered at all. She feels inconsequential 324 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:18.200 to the story. That's a very good This show is called Echo. She 325 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:23.000 feels inconsequential to the show Echo. It's a great point. I don't know. 326 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.720 Twenty two hot dogs. All right, all right, little Emmitt Smith 327 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.000 action for you go. I've got this at twenty and I don't feel good 328 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:33.039 about it. I put this. I made this score probably three weeks a 329 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.359 month ago. That's probably generous. If it was released weekly and I did 330 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:38.839 finish it, it might be a ten to eight. I don't know. 331 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:42.480 To me, it's the worst Marvel series by a lot, like by a 332 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:45.799 good margin, and it's in the To me, it's in the conversation for 333 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.440 the worst thing they've done out of the forty three mcu entries. It's it's 334 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.279 real bad and let me run through the shows for you right here, just 335 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:56.279 to give you a little bit of a reminder. In the bottom. So 336 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:59.640 I have a full bottom tier here actually echoes, and it's in a tier 337 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:04.279 of its elf. Then I have gum, and then I have a tier 338 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:10.240 I don't get it. Four shows that aren't good. Didn't hate them. 339 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:14.279 I got Falcon and Winter Soldier, Moonnight, Secret Invasion in Seahok, take 340 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:15.599 them or leave them, I don't care if you liked them or hated those. 341 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:18.440 To me, those are all roughly in the same tier. And then 342 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:23.200 I have the tier of good things not great Loki season two, WandaVision, 343 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:26.839 Miss Marvel and Hawkeye. Hawkey, I think is clearly at the top of 344 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.640 that tier. I like that more than the other three, but I believe 345 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.880 it belongs in that tier. And then at the very top and a tier 346 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.359 of itself, I have Loki Season one. To me, that's head and 347 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.200 shoulders, the best thing they've done out of these ten seasons of television. 348 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:44.440 I would have it at the bottom. But if you wanted to tell me 349 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.000 Secret Invasion is worse, I would probably accept that. I will say at 350 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.920 the end of the first episode of Secret Invasion, I was at least intrigued. 351 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:56.440 Secret Invasion, if not for nothing was intriguing for the full run. 352 00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:00.480 I don't full run. I think the ending was not good. The ending 353 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.960 sucked, and it definitely lost me along the way. But I was at 354 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:08.039 a very high intrigue after one episode to me that never happened to me in 355 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:11.960 Moon Night had a worse intrigue and a worse ending. So Secret Evasion is 356 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.720 above Moonnight and Moon Night's above feudal. Moon Night might have one of the 357 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:22.359 best MCU episodes, though maybe when he killed his brother that was an accident, 358 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.240 but still and his mom, Oh, it was a good episode, 359 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.799 was a really good episode. All right, Let's get into the notes we 360 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.640 have that are quote unquote spoilers, even though we've been been spoking for a 361 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.680 while for the whole thing. To your point, and again, I'm not 362 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:41.920 the biggest fist guy in the world. Fisk just doesn't feel like the Fisk 363 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.839 he's supposed to feel like. He's not intimidating whatsoever. He doesn't feel bigger 364 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.519 than life. And that's the big thing with with Wilson Fist. To me, 365 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.680 he did feel like that Hawkeye tea. He didn't he obviously was that 366 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.640 character in Daredevil. He is nothing like that in this show. Yeah, 367 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:02.440 if they want him to be a street level he needs to be bigger than 368 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:07.680 life and feel like he is this super powered human on the streets. He 369 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.680 can't just be another man. Well that, I feel like they're using him 370 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.519 not losing an eyeball as that instead of him like doing something cool or acting 371 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:21.839 cool, They're using the the lack of damage to him as that like sort 372 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:25.319 of intimidation. F I don't want him to be souped up, but I 373 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:29.880 want him to be smarter than everybody else. I want him to be stronger 374 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.599 as a human than most people. I want him to seem indestructible. But 375 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.200 I do not like none of this makes me feel that way. To me, 376 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:44.920 the best part of Punisher and Daredevil's Netflix series is like the people were 377 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.920 wearing the blows right where they win or lose a fight, you could see 378 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.200 the damage on them, and you can have Fisk win alls fights, but 379 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:57.000 don't let him walk away unscathe, Like that's just stupid. But I mean 380 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:00.400 like at the end of that Daredevil beats the shit out of him, and 381 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.119 all he gets out of it is just putting him in jail, right, 382 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:08.000 and also Daredevil, you had the thirteen episodes, and it's a twelve episode 383 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:15.200 lead up of everyone feeling completely hopeless against this fucking character. No one here 384 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:21.160 has felt hopeless. No, this is this If you're telling me Daredevil now 385 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:26.200 counts in the MCU, this undermines whatever they built up for Wilson Fisk because 386 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.680 he's not that character at all in this show. Go speaking of Daredevil. 387 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.680 Uh, the fight ends up being just over a minute, all right, 388 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.559 Yeah, the fight ends up being just over a minute, and he's in 389 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.960 the series in that first episode for a total of minute and forty seconds. 390 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.799 He shows up at twenty three to fifteen of the first episode, fights echo 391 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:48.000 twenty two seconds later, and then a minute in, eighteen seconds later, 392 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.160 he's off the screen. Sounds like a lossime marketed as a six minute Daredevil 393 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.640 an echo fight scene marketed is that teases that six minutes. He wasn't even 394 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.079 on the screen for six minutes. Hacktically, Fight for Sick is that fight 395 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:07.519 scene six minutes though the full minute in eighteen seconds with him The fight before 396 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:10.880 he jumps in it might be thirty seconds, and then it ends when he 397 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:12.559 leaves, so the full fight scene might be two and a half minutes. 398 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.000 You just don't know length. That was like, and again, as a 399 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.599 non Daredevil guy, that was pretty fucking annoying because that's like, all right, 400 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.200 at least at least if it's gonna be Daredevil level again brutality, I'm 401 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.079 like, all right, I can, I can get on board this. 402 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:30.359 But it didn't even give us that. It was so stupid. What I 403 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:36.000 also hated it was the actor is saying that like they didn't skip a beat 404 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.599 with this show and the feeling that they had when they were making their there's 405 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.279 a lot of that too, which that's not true, guys. It's a 406 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.799 puff piece, real fucking puff piece here. Yeah, dude, I believe 407 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:51.279 in episode four, the end of episode three, when Fisk kills his translator, 408 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.480 he gives basically an Apple Vision pro to Maya so now they can see 409 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.160 what they're signing to each other or the vice versa. That was the dumbest 410 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.559 thing I've ever seen. That was so fucking stupid. Again, that felt 411 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.480 like, Okay, we haven't had Fisk be a badass enough, so we'll 412 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.880 have him to shoot the translator in the head. Someone who's actually useful to 413 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.720 him because now he's got Apple vision pro well, no, because she knew 414 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:21.480 all their secrets. That reminds me of in Man Quantumnia. They go into 415 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:25.440 the Quantum realm and they all drink juice and then suddenly they can all speak 416 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.839 the same language. Right, I'm better with that. I'm better with that 417 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.559 than the fucking so you wish that he gave Echo some juice and then suddenly 418 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:36.559 she could hear and speak. Works better for me than the fucking eye camera. 419 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:40.799 I just I hated it. I hated it. We get this tease 420 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.160 and the I believe it was in the first episode of Maya's Cousin. She 421 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.200 is like longingly staring at her, stalking her almost yeah yeah, and then 422 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:53.799 she literally means nothing the whole series, but then pops up in the climax 423 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.880 in the finale, like helping her out with the powers. Now, I'm 424 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:02.119 like, what the fuck is this? What did we cut here or did 425 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:07.359 we just not do anything with this character? Even Kingpin's cronies, what do 426 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:14.920 they actually add to this? Nothing, nothing was added from anyone, Like 427 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:19.559 it's all it's all just generic crap. Yeah, it's bad, It's really 428 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:25.119 bad. Like I That's why. Like when I say it's twenty out of 429 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.599 forty fifty percent, I don't even feel like it is. I feel like 430 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.960 it should be fucking twenty five percent. So ten hot dies at it. 431 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.079 But at the same time, I won't pretend. Like when I finished watching 432 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:37.920 all five episodes, I was upset because it was a breeze. I was 433 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.680 in and out. I was like, you know what, fucking I never 434 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.680 thought this was gonna be good. It wasn't good. But then when I 435 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.359 started looking stuff up type and stuff out, I got I got more mad 436 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.799 at Oh. Credit for the signing too, for the sign language. That 437 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.160 was cool. Yeah, And again, like I said, they apparently do 438 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.799 justice to some Native American heritage here, which is fine. You know, 439 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.599 that's dandy. I'm glad you're doing that, but don't do it like in 440 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.240 lou of a good story or storytelling. It just like it didn't hit for 441 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.480 me. It just did not hit at all, Like, why the fuck 442 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.359 did we watch a Native American woman play lacrosse for fifteen minutes? That was 443 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:17.680 maybe the worst scene in the MCU. That was horrible. I can maybe 444 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.240 think of something worse. Give me some time, all right, I'll yeah, 445 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.480 we'll talk about it next week. I'll give you a week to think 446 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.160 about that. Thank you watching Watching a Native American woman and play lacrosse in 447 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.880 like the sixteen hundreds was the worst fucking thing the MCU has done. What 448 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.880 are you talking about? She used that skill when she won the Olympics. 449 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.480 Oh god, are you dying? Yeah, I'm going on three weeks now. 450 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.119 It's not good. Good. I know you get the black lung pop. 451 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.000 Uh. This this show sucks good. The show was terrible. The 452 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.559 good news is like, it's not Madam Web level, but I'll be honest 453 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.640 with you, like this is the Madam Web of the MCU. Maybe now, 454 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:59.160 well, this at least paid attention to details and like put effort into 455 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.559 little things. They put effort in I'll give Madam Webb didn't put effort into 456 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.079 anything, fair enough. That's that's a fair point to be made, I'll 457 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:07.759 give you. But also, I saw this a month ago and I have 458 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.519 forgotten most of it. Yeah, I saw it seven weeks ago and it's 459 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.200 still it's still a thorn in my side. You remember more than I did. 460 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.880 I remember like some of the big standout things and just my absolute hatred 461 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.880 for how they use Fisk. Yeah, it's just so I don't know, 462 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.279 Like you know, obviously, Marvel has been slowly drawing back and with gang 463 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.319 stuff, they're going to have to make changes. Anyways, I don't know 464 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.839 if we get another spotlight thing, like, there's no reason. I don't 465 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.519 understand the point of the spotlight thing. If it's just well, yeah, 466 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.039 if it's something that is outside of the universe and you just want to tell 467 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.200 a little story and call it a spotlight, that's cool. Well I think 468 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.400 it is. If it's your cannon and it's another show, then it's like 469 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.480 just a show technically cannon. But the only consequential thing that happens is Fisk 470 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:53.640 doesn't lose his high. That's it. Yeah, so when you watch another 471 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.559 show and you're like, why the fuck does he eyes? But that's why 472 00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.880 they're saying, like you don't need to watch other stuff, and it says 473 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.240 really affect other stuff, Like I thought he might have been dead. No, 474 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:06.880 he's completely fine now, it's very fine, doing the best he's ever 475 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:08.359 been. So twenty two is too high for me. I'm probably lower. 476 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.519 Yeah, twenty two high as well. But so do you have a do 477 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.640 you have a show worse than would you would. Was this your worst MCU 478 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.599 show? I think on the consistency, yes, but I think Secret Invasion. 479 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.400 Secret Invasion just really fucking misses. Like it's a round episode. This 480 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:29.839 is not considering expectations with Secret Invasion that it's a definitive miss. But the 481 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.079 quality of that show is much higher than this. It's just the finale. 482 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:36.640 It was so bad that it brings everything else down. I like the attention 483 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.480 to detail of certain things in this, I just didn't find it that entertaining. 484 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.759 Yeah, there's no entertaining thing, but they didn't give a lot of 485 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.160 attention to detail when it comes to Secret Invasion, when it comes to some 486 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.240 character traits. Yeah, no, you're right about that. I just I'm 487 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.880 saying, like as much of a miss as Secret Invasion was, And you 488 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.599 know, let me put it this way. Maybe I'll frame it better this 489 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.880 way, and this will make some people at home understanding, maybe you'll buy 490 00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:04.079 it. I would rather them take the swing and miss on Secret Invasion than 491 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.160 them give us something like this ten times out of ten. I think this 492 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:08.880 was more of a swing and miss. And this is not even a swing 493 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.559 and miss. This is just a wild pitch. Yeah, but they they 494 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.519 took a bigger chance on this than Secret Invasion. They Oh, no, 495 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.599 no, no, yes, they did for sure, not because they told 496 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.200 us this was meaningful from the jump. They gave us all the stuff pre 497 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.039 this show, like, don't worry too much about this show. It's like 498 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:28.279 on the fringe. Secret Invasion was supposed to be a big thing, but 499 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.240 it ended up being nothing. Okay, that so let me free, let 500 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.799 me do another sports analogy. Let me let me see if this hits for 501 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.920 you. They took three straight pitches down the middle of the plate in Secret 502 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.079 Invasion. Couldn't get a hit with Secret Invasion, but at least they took 503 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:46.160 the bat. This show stayed in the dugout the whole series. What has 504 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:52.759 been their most recent shows. It's been Loki season two right before this Secret 505 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.279 at least. Okay, so they haven't been that far off with their shows. 506 00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.880 I think they just gotta trim the fat, right, No, they 507 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:06.319 they need to focus in on quality over quantity, and I think everyone knows 508 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.320 they know this. I think they're gonna have to get back to that with 509 00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:12.239 the King stuff, because now they're like kind of racing to figure out what 510 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.159 they're gonna do but at the very least they bought some time just doing Deadpool 511 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.199 this year. You know they have time to figure stuff out. Are there 512 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.360 any shows coming out this year? That's a great question. I don't think 513 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.480 so. I think when we looked up Deadpool, this was the only Deadpool 514 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.719 was the only Marvel thing coming out this year besides Echo. And then next 515 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.760 year we're getting three seasons of Armour Wars. Yes, yep, that's January 516 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:38.480 twenty four episodes seasons of Armour Wars. You know what's crazy is like if 517 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:43.480 you look up Gilligan's Island, there's thirty five episodes in the first season. 518 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:47.159 Yeah, but in fucking nineteen sixty five, goo, like people have nothing 519 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:52.800 else to watch? What if they gave us a thirty five episode season of 520 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.320 Armour Wars and Don Chino, where's the fucking Bob Denver hat? You want 521 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.920 a little fun fact about Gilligan's Island. I learned this when I was in 522 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.440 Hawaii. Eat The bay that I stayed at, or just off of, 523 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:06.639 is the bay they leave from in Gilligan's Island. And if you notice in 524 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.480 the opening credits, the American flag is at half mass is They film that 525 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:15.119 the day that JFK died. Oh yeah, they had spent all the money 526 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:16.360 for that day, so they were in Hawaii. They had to film it 527 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:21.119 that day. So in the background of the opening scene of Gilligan's Island, 528 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.519 you see the flags at half mass. JFK number one. I'm gonna fucking 529 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:29.239 clip that for social media. That's gonna go Gangbusters number two. I already 530 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.920 know this answer. But Ginger or Marianne? Oh mary Anne? By a 531 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.760 mile? You love Redheads though, Oh but no, the brunette girl next 532 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.800 door is always going to be my number one. That the Redheads is just 533 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.840 like the flavor of the month. What about uh missus months? Is that 534 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.599 her name? I'll think Ginger over her, the old lady, the old 535 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.360 lady off of Ginger, but mary Anne ten times out of ten, fucking 536 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.440 professor, he must have been doing something right. Well, I mean you 537 00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:59.599 had a lot of money. No he didn't, uh Thurman, Oh that's 538 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.000 what I'm blanket on on the old people name. But the professor can make 539 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.840 a fucking telephone out of coconuts. I don't know why I watched so many 540 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:07.760 episodes of that as a kid, but it was on every Saturday. It 541 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.599 was a Nicke at night. It was on Saturday mornings. Yeah, it 542 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.280 was on constantly. Yeah. I like when the Globetrotters got caught there. 543 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.639 I like when everyone got caught there. Remember that. Yeah, they went 544 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:22.599 there. They played a basketball game on the island. Oh yeah, how 545 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.159 could they not get off the island? The winner got off the island. 546 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:35.920 I think that's what happens. That doesn't seem like a real thing. Let's 547 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:42.039 get into Maxack and Mazak. Could be anything. It could be a boat. 548 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.960 And this week it is to tell you that in two weeks we are 549 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:52.079 returning to Idle Hands, back with that trivia and this month March thirteenth, 550 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:58.039 the Office Wednesday, March thirteenth, Idle Hands, Craft Dales eight and I 551 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.639 Commerce Street in all the Massachusetts the Office reducs. And believe it's the third 552 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.880 time we're doing it. Third. We could do the Office every month, 553 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.719 quite honestly, but I'm looking forward to that. You also, if you 554 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.880 hung around this song in the shitty of an episode for a shitty series, 555 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.280 the good news is our next two episodes or two of our best of the 556 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:19.519 year. Yes, the auction movie Draft featuring hashtag dork and then we will 557 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.840 have the Mac and Goooby Vault just in time for the Oscars next week, 558 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.480 yep. And then we'll do one more episode that is leading into our March 559 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.079 Macnus, So we have March Macnus coming up, and then we also have 560 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:36.719 a full Aquaman two review. We have a bunch of good shit coming up. 561 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.519 I'll tell you I'm having a hard time listen. Right off the top, 562 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:45.159 I did not give Dune two forty hot dogs, but I'm having a 563 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.760 hard time not thinking it's the greatest thing ever because everything I've watched this month 564 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.039 was so bad. We also didn't mention this at the end of this week 565 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.119 Dune Too. I said it in my head and realized just now. So 566 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.760 we literally we have five or six straight episodes like bang. Last episode, 567 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.719 like Max said, if you stuck around, thank you. This last episode 568 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.920 not great. The next five or six Soon too was great. Yeah, 569 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.719 real good. Did you give it forty hot dogs? I don't think so, 570 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.960 but I don't have it at forty but it's fucking close. But everything 571 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:21.480 is necessary. Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting conversation for sure. And 572 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.320 speaking of conversations, you said that Denny vellin Away said that what he does 573 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:29.079 not like about movies is dialogue. He's sort of right though, so yeah, 574 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:30.880 I think it's all. He didn't name it by a name. But 575 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:36.159 what I think he's calling out is shows like mad Men and how that became 576 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.519 such a craze, but nothing fucking happens in there besides people talking. And 577 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.679 I get that's to a certain extent. But the reason why I don't like 578 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.119 mad Men and shows like that is because it's so telegraphed, because there's so 579 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.360 much dialogue, and you're showing the characters doing so many things. You know, 580 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.000 Don Draper's a bad guy ten minutes of that show. So I get 581 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:59.079 what he's saying, Like, there's no there's no big grandiose moments in these 582 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:02.159 shows you have in a lot of these movies because it's telegraphed, it's long, 583 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.119 there's fucking twelve fifteen, twenty episodes, and on top of it, 584 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.000 there's no need to have these big climb the rise of action of falling action 585 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.880 in a show when you have twenty episodes in a say, and what he's 586 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.119 saying that a lot of movies kind of fell into that. Yeah, and 587 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.519 he's not entirely wrong. Yeah, that said I can deal with some of 588 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.119 those movies. Like good example of this is the movie Marriage Story Adam Driver 589 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:29.800 Scarlet Rohnson from like two or three years ago. Loved that movie, but 590 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:36.039 it was basically all dialogue, dialogue driven acting. You know, it's essentially 591 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.079 a stage play. I can tolerate that every once in a while, but 592 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.840 I can't have a majority of my movies be like that, right, And 593 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.920 that's why I think a movie, you know, I didn't love it, 594 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.159 but Barbie being just this big spectacle, or even you know, Oppenheimer is 595 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.719 three hours long. It's a very dialogue of movie as well, but there 596 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.960 is this spectacle to it. Those two movies kind of flourish because of this. 597 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.559 But why why Oppenheimer is different is because, huse, he turns it 598 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:06.039 into this like spectacle rollercoaster of a ride where if you had just read that 599 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.199 story or like a documentary, it would have been kind of boring at points. 600 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.280 But even if he told it in a linear fashion, that might have 601 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.719 made it kind of boring too good point too. So you know what, 602 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.760 I'll say it credit to Christopher Nolan. I know everyone else is afraid to 603 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.320 say this. He's a good director, He's number two on the planet. 604 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.920 But you heard it here. Denny Villaneuve is also very good, number one, 605 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:35.119 number one. I might go flipsy floppsy there, But we had this 606 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:39.599 small conversation. I don't think there has been a Villaneuve movie that made me 607 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:47.840 feel like two Nolan movies have Batman begins and uh, Tenet didn't care for 608 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.320 Tenant was a big swing. It was a big swing. I'll give you 609 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.199 that. And also he went down swinging. May I suggest this you don't 610 00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:04.239 understand time. I think I understand time and I understood Interstellar. Yeah, 611 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.280 people, Interstellar is a good case study or a good starter conversation for some 612 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.639 of the likes movies, because you either love that movie or hate it. 613 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.719 I think that also might be like an expectation thing with you know that cast 614 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:22.360 Nolan's attached coming off in Inception and the Batman series. Yeah, all right, 615 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.039 Mac, Where can the people find us? You can find us on 616 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.159 Twitter and on Instagram, at MACA and Goo podcasts every other platform where you're 617 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.480 Mac and person Good's Max fIF seven Goo that includes Facebook, sit your Tune 618 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.559 and Castbucks, Speaker, Google Play, iHeart Radio. We are on Apple, 619 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.360 We're on Spotify, More importantly, we're on Apple Podcasts. 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B I don't know, we did dinner party and I 629 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.800 forget the other the deposition. Maybe maybe the deposition. Yeah, there's a 630 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.360 lot of good episodes in the office, so I think they might find one. 631 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.760 Oh yeah, maybe when Dwight burns his foot. Maybe Benny, Honey, 632 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.519 Christmas, I'm sorry, Dwight gets a concussion? Yes, yes, 633 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:37.039 please not Dwight, anyone but Twight. All right, So Tuesdays or Goosdays? 634 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:45.760 I abuse kangaroos. Bye, please flip the cassette over to side B 635 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:47.159 to continue the adventure.