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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
the fire Escape cast. Cracking a drink

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during my intro? Is you already
it's spilling? It's overflowing, It's all

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over my hand in it went on
my keyboard. Do you already need a

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paper towel? I can just wave
my hands when wind can do it.

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Eric, I'm just thinking more about
your keyboard than your hands. My keyboard

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is fucking filthy, you know it. You know that's a nasty I take

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care of my stuff. It is
nice, rubb. Do you see grub?

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Do you see grubs? Is this
game's morning mess? I see no

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grub here? Look at that.
Probably get a new one from like a

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company sponsored every like three weeks,
and then you throw away your crummy one.

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Yeah, that's how I get That's
how I get it up these days.

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Raw dog keyboards, disguesting it doesn't
make sense. Maybe not the year

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it would make sense to you makes
It's the only thing that makes sense to

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me. It's a penis thing,
all right. I forgot that you have

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to have one of those to get
those, Yeah, to get my keyboard.

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Dick jokes. It's episode sixty eight, not sixty nine. Yet we

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just reference that during a fallse intro
to make sure got some very fun announcements,

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as it were up top, or
rather more cementing some announcements. It's

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that time of year when we're getting
toward your favorite Game of the Year show,

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our fourth annual. If we count
the one before we officially okay,

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twenty twenty, wait do we do? No, no, no, twenty

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twenty would have been the first one. One twenty twenty two. Yeah,

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this is the fourth, but we
weren't officially fire Escape with the first one

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yet. We called it that it
might be on YouTube to stety even it

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might as well be. But this
is our fourth annual. But we also

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did the halfway through the year one. Yeah, this is our fourth annual

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Game of the Year live stream attorney. We called it that. We are

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descending on Minneapolis December mark Get out
your calendars right now, get out your

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planners, your pager, well pager
wouldn't tell you a day, but get

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out whatever electronic devices you need to
mark down Saturday, December sixteenth, live

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from Minneapolis. It's the fire Escape
Live Show Game of the Year Extravaganza from

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Dan's game Dungeon. From Dan's game
Dungeon. No, we're gonna in the

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bar from Dan's game Bar. There's
no games in there, there's no screens

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in the bar. From going to
there Dan's Liquid Bar. It's Mary,

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Dan, Mike, and Jake.
Cool judge Jake with surprise guests. Also

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what No, I'm certain I know
what you're doing. But we're gonna have

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guests when we don't have who's gonna
show up? We don't don't deliver?

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Okay, well we have. We
have someone impersonating a pretty famous person,

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just such a literal you suck.
We will have four of us in a

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room. That is who you will
see on camera. No other being besides

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me, Dan, Mary, and
Jake is going to be there. Show

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is going to be so good you'll
swear it rose from the dead ghost person.

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This is all over hyping. We'll
have dogs. We can promise dogs.

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That's uncomfortable. I'm in. I
don't like over HIPing. I like

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promising. Over delivery is all I
do. We're going The ghost of a

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famous celebrity will be in attendance to
offer his thoughts. We bought a wig.

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He's talking. We bought a wig. That's it. I want to

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manage expectations here. Doesn't know about
this yet. Well, you're the one

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who's already talking about it. He
was not talking on specifics. We bought

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Jake a wig. Well, his
hair is going to be cool. Yeah,

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his Hairbly said, Jake, cool. Judge, Jake, don't do

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your hair. It doesn't matter.
Yeah, you can just shave your head.

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We need to put the wig on. We're gonna glue on like Joe

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dirt. Save money on your your
wax for the next month. You won't

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need a Minneapolis or your palmade whatever
you use. Row it out. Jake's

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probably a palmade guy. He's a
Depper dan Man, Depper dan Man.

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No, it'll be us four December
sixteenth, Minneapolis and Dan's Bar, talking

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games. And we got a few
new categories already this year. We're still

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working on the actual run a show. I'm sure it'll be really fun if

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you want to be in uniform,
as it were our dorky Christmas sweatshirts crew

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necks from last year. If you
go back and watch our live stream for

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Game of the Year twenty twenty two, you could see our sick, dorky

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Christmas sweatshirts, which, if you
don't know what that is a reference to

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Dan tell them what that reference is
to go. I had a dream once

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when I was in college that I
was at a party and a girl offered

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to give me a hand job,
but she referred to it as a dorky

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Christmas. She said, Hey,
do you want to go somewhere just me

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and you and I'll give you a
dorky Christmas. And for some reason in

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my brain in my dream, I
knew that meant hand job. So you

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can get that sweatshirt again this year. If you already have one, get

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a second one. If you already
have to get one, get your your

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your part. That one's got crumbs
on it, like Dan's keyboard, your

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elderly father one, and don't tell
him what it really means. And let

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him wear it to the grocery store
and on to cribbage. And also know

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one at the grocery store or cribbage
will know what it means. I feel

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that's what's fun. A few thousand
people know that what well? I actually

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have a question, but I'll continue
on the promo reel for now. So

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yes, December sixteenth, Uh,
if you go to Patreon, our fourth

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wall, our dorky Christmas sweatshirts are
officially on the market. You can go

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get one now if you want,
I'll put it on Patreon. It's also

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on fourth Wall or no, just
go to fire skate merch dot com.

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But I'll also put it on Patreon. If you're a patron and want to

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get a reminder, I'll put it
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to it. We've talked several times, and I feel like we say this

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every year. I truly think this
year will be quite a bloodbath for number

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one Game of the year, the
entire way up, like for sure,

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dare oh yeah, definitely, but
I think number one like this year.

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Honestly, all four of us,
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different number one, Yeah, I
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the fight this year because I changed
the giant bomb format to the points based

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Eurovision style thing when I came back, because I like, what does that

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mean? Noticely, it's just straight
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it's just like everyone has their own
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do it is, you know,
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it's you know, we we're go
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basically it's like grand like Mario Kart
Grand Prix scoring, where it's like my

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number one game gets twelve points,
my number two gets eight, my number

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three gets six or something. That's
what I do every you're a polygon too,

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I didn't know that vision, but
we make a big, like visual

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thing of it. Like I'll go
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give my twelve points to blank,
and then you see the numbers change live.

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So we don't even know what our
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all gone up and given our points
versus like, so like, it's not

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going to be a fight there.
I like the presentations to all that friends

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there, but us, we might
we will kill each other in my bar

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in a couple of years. Last
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of the years? Hades was twenty
twenty one, No, it was twenty

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twenty, was twenty twenty eighties,
I thought that was twenty twenty one?

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Return Returnal was twenty twenty one.
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twenty twenty one, I believe twenty
twenty two. Last year was what did

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we give it to? Last year? Fucking what was oh hard for?

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It took a while I just saw
it the other day. I took your

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photoshop when me and Mary were hanging
out from the fuck was it? Mary

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said it to me. Hold on, let me pull up Mary's text because

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that photo I had of you Dan
at that bar was when you were posing

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in front of it. Uh do
it at a bar? No? When

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I photoshopped you into that photo of
me and Mary at the bar? Oh

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right, right? How are all
of our memories of garbage? I don't

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know. I drink a lot.
I do too. Yeah, yeah,

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I'm scrolling that. I got the
doc here. It's not poople order.

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We gotta bring that back. Oho. Wow, oh oh, it's fucking

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elden Ring. Oh that's right,
because it was between elden Ring and Dan.

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I remember we argued with you,
but it's about at elder Ring versus

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what was our number two vampire survivors? Right, and you compared it to

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like a bardough to like a cheese
sandwich. It's not what I did.

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I don't know what play back the
tape. Wow, those probably weren't the

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foods, but that's what you did. You compared it a nice wine to

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like something cheap that you get at
fun. Sure. Yeah, Yeah,

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this is amazing. This is very
telling about this year because I'm looking at

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our top ten from last year.
Okay, here Elden Ring and Vampire Survivors

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throw out some names. See if
you can guess the other eight. Oh

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god, I'm so bad at this
lately, especially like now that a Polygon

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I helped run the game to year, I forget all the games. The

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number one Elton Ring, Number two
is Vampire Survivors. What do you think

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name out games anywhere that you think
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top ten? Did a Resident Nobody
come out last year? Resident seven?

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Because Nobody Saved the World two years
ago? Yeah, Nobody Saves the World

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was number three. Yeah, and
that game's really good. It's really good,

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But like, I don't think that
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You know, this year are so
stacked so last year we're discussing last year

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any games from number three to number
ten. Last year, there's a lot

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of time Loop stuff that was twenty
twenty one. Never mind time Loop was

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twenty twenty one. Who I was
twenty twenty two? Super forgettable outside of

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no, no, we're just stupid. It's kind of no, it's not

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on here. Looking at this makes
it look pretty forgettable. I got to

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look to look up polygons. No, well that's oh you are okay,

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ex not order. Just try to
try to name anything Nintendo nintend Oh my

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god, a Powerwash simulator nope.
Fuck, Why did I think that would

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be in our top ten? That
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I would Lamb it was full released
last The Lamb is number six. Whatever

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above, call to the Lamb.
This is a family feud here. All

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right, we got the number six
on the board. I'm trying to think

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like stuff we argued about. I
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I mean these are good. It
wasn't subjectively games to this year, but

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it was definitely like a lot of
like medium hype games that got like that

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we got excited about because there wasn't
much else. Oh Stray Nope, Stray

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was last year, but it was
not on our top ten. Oh my

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god, we are so like five
months ago or eleven months ago, We

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argued, Shooters, this is amazing. Oh oh, there was a time

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one that we were fighting over Dan
and I really liked this time like jumpy

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game and when you're competing over time. No, it was called like white

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neon like white white, it's something
stupid neon white Umber five God time though

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it killing it. You called it
a time game, and yes, it's

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about time. It's all about time. It's a speed run game. It's

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not a time loop. And what
do you want in the game? Which

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number four? Yeah, you don't
have number four? We have one,

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two, three, five and three? Was Nobody Saves the World? I'm

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surprised this was No, it was
good. This is a good Nintendo games.

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It's probably some puzzle bullshit. What's
that? Uh? Every everybody like

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like gott the Rap sniffed this game, but it was not the Rapture.

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It was witness stop interrupting me,
chances saying our ship and you're there,

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Oberd return. That was like six
years ago. It wasn't that good.

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Wasn't that good? Uh? What's
the one where you keep turning back time?

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Twelve defelve number one? Yeah?
Uh okay, so you're no,

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so you're it's realistic graphics and you
have to go back through time and for

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solving a murder and forgotten city.
And everybody looks, well, I wasn't

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listening to you. You have to
speak up. You have to speak up.

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That's not for god. Maybe last
year was more forgettable than I'm I

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think it's our brain. I don't
think. Is it a platform exclusive?

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Is that what John? It is? It is? So that's a genre

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you've mentioned in the last five minutes. A shooter. Mm hmmm, action

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adventure m hmm. When was Wretchet
and Clank rifted apart? That was two

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years ago. That was like twenty
twenty one. It was like early Weller

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was like the first Guys five exclusive
thing like two years longer than that was

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like twenty twenty one. But it's
an exclusive. Uh, it's Nintendo.

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We haven't brought up a Nintendo.
They always get at least one in a

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year, like every year they get
at least one. It was a Metro

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primary Mester this year to Mario Wonder
Bros. Super Mario Bros. Wonder This

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year there was a Metro. There
was a Metroid last year. Oh Fusion

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that was two years ago. That
was our number two. What Fusion was

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a game from like Dread Dread,
Yeah, two years ago. That was

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two years ago. Last year,
that was two years ago. It was

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our number two game two years ago, number one maybe no returnal and then

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metro dread I think I don't know, was a while ago. Yeah,

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uh fuck? Is this fun for
people listening? We're not live. I

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think it's possible that people are screaming
into the radio of their car. Oh

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yeah, everyone has better memories than
us, Tunic, it's not okay,

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what get what genre? Give us
a hint? It's a mic genre,

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a strategy game. Oh god,
this is your fault. I'm not gonna

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remember some fucking war machine Garbo?
Was it total war war? He having

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three early last year? That is
number ten. Oh you wish you got

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that high, little bitch. We
would never have let that in the top

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five. How dare you strategy?
Oh, it's like a JRPG or turn

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based thing. We muted your mic
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I'm trying to think if there's one
other strategy games came out last year,

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like turn based Tactics, Real Time
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you cried, and you know what
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no question. Mm hmm, it's
all of those. Oh wait, it's

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not no fire almblems this year.
You probably begged us to put this game

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this high. It is a tactical
game. It's the Mike genre. What's

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the one x com ship Chimera?
Man, you such genuinely no idea.

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Do you know what it is?
No, but I don't need to because

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I didn't fight tooth and nail for
it, because I didn't fucking here about

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it. Fought tooth and nail because
it's strategy. Mike, You're the only

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one who does this. The game
doesn't have a bumble bee? Whose friends

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were? They get together? And
there's only one person made this game of

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what twenty five? Ye there?
Oh my god, it was brutal streaming

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in equation? Oh no, she
like ten minutes you earned that? Man?

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Oh no, fuck off? Holy
shit, that's the neatest thing you've

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ever done to her. And you
threatened to murder her like fifty times.

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I have no fucking clue what this. Goddamn gamers, this is not fun

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for people. Tell that's what it
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it's an exclusive. Is there a
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was this year? Firemom e Gauge? Was there a fire Blemlesh No?

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Oh, Mario plus Rabbits far Hope, Yes, Oh it was really fucking

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good. The only one fighting.
I know, That's why I was killing

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me. The marry was like it's
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I I think I was okay on
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for it. Well, I mean
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Like, yeah, it was a
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enjoyed. I'll read the whole list
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Nobody Saves the World, Mario plus
Rabbit, Sparks of Hope, Neon

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White, Cult of the Lamb,
Signalis like Tiny can A, Strange Horticulture,

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and Total War Strange Horticulture. Okay, that's a really good list,

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but no, not the most memorable
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Horticulture was cool. I'm amazed it
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a nice game. We had a
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tradition a lot last year. Like
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really big heavy hit or triple as
that we didn't talk about was rag last

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year. It was probably we didn't
get that in a word that did win

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the It's Not Poop board, and
it's not return this year because I absolutely

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have a couple ones that I'm putting
on there. Like when you go into

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anyone who wins the It's Not Poop
Award, I hope they like walk into

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their studio and they just have like
a trophy. I don't know where they

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got it. It's not poop award. It's just it's a it's a poop

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emoji with like a Ghostbuster's cross through
it. I was gonna say, the

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trophy could literally be anything as long
as it's not poop. Yes, yes,

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but banana. It's funny. But
why having played my first Pickman this

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year, I've never touched a Pickman
game four that I remembered until Pickman four

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and looking back, having no idea
that like tiny Kin was absolutely even sort

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of in the name aping Pickman,
Oh my god, extremely that. But

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now that I've played a Pickman game, like, oh of course, like

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that's tiny Kin sort of even sounds
like Pickman almost like that, and tiny

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Kin is is very good, but
it ain't it's not Pickman. A few

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games are Pickman for Yes, this
game this year will be bad. It's

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gonna be it's a crazy uh just
we're not done. But the run of

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show already, the amount of games
that we're like, oh, we have

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to talk about this game somewhere is
lush. So there's just a lot of

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options this year to discuss. And
I think we might have to invent a

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couple categories because I think all of
our categories are invented, but we'll have

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to make up some new ones because
there has to be a way we can

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talk about some of these games that
won't make our top ten but are so

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awesome. It's like a disservice that
it doesn't it doesn't get some lights somewhere

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or do like a specific thing really
well but might not be the best overall

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package. Yeah. Yeah, we
hadded a few new categories already. We're

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still working on flushing it out,
but Dan and I are in there right

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now because because I'm thinking about it, I can't not. I if I

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forget, I'll regret this. And
I love doing this, like coming up

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with categories and filling stuff out.
This is brutal, this is not fun.

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Rating I'm Sorry, I'm being bad. I've been adding stuff this week.

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It's pretty rude. Okay anyway,
Yeah, there'll be it'll be fun.

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That's December sixteenth. My favorite part
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I can be a real bitch because
nobody knows if it was me or Mike

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or Dan, and so I get
to like really be an ambiguous like that.

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They would do that the things we
forgot came out, it's Mary.

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Let the record show that. There's
no way to confirm or deny. Oh

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no, did it? Yeah,
you're signed in under your personal Dan and

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I yeah, it just says this
was Mary right here. But that'll be

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Yeah, December sixteenth, that'll be
fine. Dan. We are streaming it

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live on twitch dot tv slash Dan
Reikert. Yes, and we'll on the

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fire Escape YouTube for the BOD so
you can't make it live, which will

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be at Dan's Twitch channel twitch dot
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a sorry fire Escapes YouTube channel on
polygtton no okay b It will also be

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up as during the normal episode slot
for episode sixty nine on the whatever then

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following Monday is and that's going to
be open to everyone. Normally we do

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seventy. Normally we do video for
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it's our Game of the Year goes
out to everyone, and it's we do

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it every year. So this is
like no different than what we've done every

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year since the dawn of the inception
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is our annual Everyone gets to see
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because we want you to spectacular.
The only big difference is if you want

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good episodes of Rezi on there with
the there. That's why we started using

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that channel. Hell yeah, yeah, subscribe there and a few weeks we'll

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have a big old chunkie. We'll
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Year thing we got going on.
When you get some shitty jelly beans or

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anything, yes, o shot,
I forgot about that. That's coming back

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to me now. Yeah I end
up eating like, yeah, it was

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like a donation and you ate like
the rest of them. We crossed like

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ten thousand dollars or something, and
then yeah he did I can't handle it

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so much that she puked. That's
just irresponsible. It was because one of

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the jelly beans is booger, and
I I've said this before, that's like

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my one. For whatever reason,
it makes me yack, like thinking about

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it. I thought it was a
band aid, so band aid was That

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is disgusting too, because it has
like a blood thing going on. Yeah,

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but it's that's probably also trick can
trigger it, But booger will trigger

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my gag reflex immediately even thinking about
it. I don't know why it's my

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one week funny because I eat my
own all the time. My achilles bogger

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don't if you talk about it,
where does that come from? Because you

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always hear about the kid that ate
his booger is on the playground and stuff.

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But like, is it a the
kids think it tastes good? Or

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is it they don't have a place
to wipe it? Or are they like

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putting together a ball of it like
a ball of gum and taking bites out

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of it like an apple? About
it? He's marry. He's trying to

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make you. I know, I'm
just having a conversation for intellectual purposes.

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We've talked about the game spot bathroom, like I when I think about it,

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I want to vombit, like I
can. We found out who that

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was, though, didn't we?
No, you've only you've only assumed and

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then deliberated and accused. I know
who it was in my heart of heart.

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It was someone I already don't like. So do I know that it

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was? Oh yeah, yeah yeah
one of the like three people I've ever

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like actually talked badly about. Drew
Scanlon. Yep, you don't, dare

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you? The proverbial doesn't even have
biggers. He's just a pure soul.

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He really is one of those people
that, like, I've never heard anyone

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say a single bad thing about Like, no one finds annoying, no one

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finds rude, bad thing about Drew. They're bad, like they're a bad

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person. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, definitely, like we're bad people.

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Like we're talk I could see people
being very annoyed by us. Yes,

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I see people about us, and
everyone's like, I understand, I

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can see why you would think that, But when you talk about Drew,

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everyone's like, fuck that person.
Yeah, you know what you I have

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accrued my enemies over the years,
You've earned them. Yeah, I work

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for them. I thought about this, and I actually think about this often,

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not often, occasionally It's funny having
cats all the random shit they do

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that is passed down from their ancestors
to cover their tracks in the wild.

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Domestic cats have held on to a
lot of habits that domesticated dogs haven't because

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cats aren't as removed behaviorally from lions
and panthers and shit. They bury their

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poop in litter or sand or whatever
they have nearby to bury it, which

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is like an instinct to cover their
tracks. So in the wild animals predators

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couldn't track them like the bigger thing
on the food chain. They do the

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same thing. If you've seen like
people with cats will know sometimes if they

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drop a piece of food out of
their mouth on the ground instead of eating

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it, they'll like do burying motions
on it, like it's just instinct,

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even if there's nothing there to bury
it with it. I've wondered if there's

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some weird ancestral instinct that does serves
a similar function when you eat your own

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boogers to like cover your tracks.
You don't want to leave boggers behind for

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people to find you. Man National
geographic has really gone downhill, you're run

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out of stuff to talk about.
Yeah, well, I don't know.

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I don't know why there Like there
is enough people in the world that have

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eaten their own buggers often enough where
it's become a thing that like people do.

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Do you think a lot of adultence
it? I know I've seen it

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entertainment. Do you think we all
have those? Is it's the forbidden fruit.

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It's just a gross little thing on
your face, and sometimes drainage comes

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out of it. I just think
that we're like instinctively probably getting in there.

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I don't fucking like thinking about it. I don't want to know about

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it. I don't want to look
at it. I don't want to assume

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it. But do you think,
but do you think that anyone's ever like

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accrued their boggers into like the shape
of a steak and cut it up with

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a fork and knife and like the
barbie you saw some change the subject talk

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about Cat and I were talking about
butt plugs. You go. Really we

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were talking about how quickly like you
learn what butt plugs are all about,

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like you go from your your your
butlug on second conversations that happened when it

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was not recording. Yeah, no, here's my question. It's kind of

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like an email question. What other
things similar to butt plugs do you go

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from being a rookie to an expert
in by using it? Like for one

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second, like, oh god,
I'm an expert in butt plugs. All

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of a sudden, I get you
do it. You've understood it. You

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can't skydiving. No, you're not
an experts. You wouldn't be doing it.

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That's just like understanding the thrill.
Well, that's all butt plugs like

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butt plugs, sky divings like butt
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like, oh, I get it. I like this is what this this

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is what I've been missing? How
did you? How do you get here?

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You asked me to change the subjects
because you want to tell a booger

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steaks the idea better. It was
like a fountain, like a cheese fountain.

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But that's disgusting, and they wouldn't
fountain it wouldn't. You have to

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think about it. Do you think
it would if it was running, if

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you had a cold, it might
be running the idea like a golden coral

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chocolate mountain. Slamming the fifteen second
forward button on Spotify. Right now,

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we're hearing the podcast fifteen seconds forward. That is a good idea. I

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mean, I feel like I don't
want to joke about drugs, but there's

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probably some drugs when you do it, like similar to butt plugs, you're

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like, I'm never going back.
Huh. For the record, I was

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showing him you were making beauty blender, which is just code for but tell

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you told me what it was.
I was like, wow, this is

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a very just open conversation, like
check out my new butt plug for the

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radio. For the radio listeners.
This is a beauty blender that just arrived

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today and I'm really excited about it. And Mike was like, what's that?

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And I said, your girlfriend knows
what this is. No you didn't.

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You said it's a cute little butt
plug. And I was like and

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then I was like wow, interesting. And then you're like your girlfriend,

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I mean, your wife knows what
it's like. And then you said,

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yeah she does. She does.
But it's just a beauty blender. But

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like they do kind of they probably
have that appeal to them. I think

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that's true. Well, there is
is Okay, there is a product that

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is supposedly for massaging your neck.
But my Amanda was telling me that a

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lot of women. It is a
thing you buy at the store like Brookstone

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and it's a neck massager, but
in reality you're buying it to use it

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as a vibrator. Whether like do
you think like people would use like rumble

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packs people I have. I've got
like a top ten controllers that are best

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for rumbling my bumbles. What's number
one? The p S three controller was

404
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:17.000
great, wouldn't it be the Wii? You can get the Wii in there

405
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.160
right, Yeah, you're in there
too, So the p S three is

406
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.440
like a jackhammer if you put in
the right spot. I'm going to c

407
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:36.160
town in like five seconds. My
horny teenager just get perked up so quickly.

408
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.759
And by that I mean my horny
thirty two year old. Why do

409
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.519
you think my PS three is always
hooked up? I was wondering, Yeah,

410
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:48.200
it was weird. Destruction is always
running. He's got these like you

411
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:56.680
always keep controllers. I just have
a save file that's ratchet with one specific

412
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.000
weapon that makes the bump the rumble
go crazy. You get the tape over

413
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:08.079
the circle button. You imported the
uh or you got the prototype boomerang controller

414
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:14.720
from that E three. Yeah,
anyway, all personal massagers are the secret

415
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:23.160
weapon of women. You're all being
replaced. I'll take all the help I

416
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:30.279
can get. Good. That's very
that's very cool of me. So there's

417
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:34.440
no use fighting the future. It's
happening. Oh, I've accepted my My

418
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:40.319
d is gonna get replaced one day
by her second place trophy. And she

419
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.680
loves you first place now, but
someday she'll be she'll be all over some

420
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.759
robot vibrator from Brookstone. What do
you think Brookstone has knockne on a business

421
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:55.119
yet? That is kind of shocking. Brookstone is completely run on vibrators.

422
00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:02.000
Sales every February just shy rock.
Yeah, it's yeah. Imagine going into

423
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:07.240
like the airport sharper Image, which
is next to the duty free shop.

424
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.839
You get your duty free bottle of
Kolua, and then you go next door

425
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.119
to sharper Image, and there's a
poster there with a woman like smiling,

426
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:19.759
like a very suburban looking woman smiling, and she's holding a like a little

427
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.440
sheepish smile. Are you bored?
Is your husband not doing stuff? Buy

428
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:27.119
this vibrator. It's two in the
pink one and the stink. It gets

429
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:32.240
you there whatever you need to podcast
where if you're flying tonight, I'll get

430
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.400
you there. It's great for fold
up and your car. That's not what

431
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.279
they marketed as. They market it
as a massager discretion. Yeah, you

432
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.400
don't want to be buying. And
then the lady's holding it and she's like

433
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:53.079
this, it's for massaging for something
that helps you poop, and they're trying

434
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:58.079
really hard not to say it helps
you poop? Is pro is? That?

435
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.440
Is that that? No? I
mean like, oh, it's like

436
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.319
this yogurt like didn't uh Jamie Lee
Curtis do a bunch of that like poop

437
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.519
stuff, but they didn't say poop. Yeah, the dan and uh probiotic.

438
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.839
Yeah, that's it where it's like
they dance around the poop. It's

439
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:17.359
good for your protective system. It'll
show like a waste and it'll show like

440
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.440
it'll show like material dots like going
through and it'll be like, oh,

441
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.079
how seamless it is, And it's
just like you're just showing me feces.

442
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:31.400
B roll of a geyser train going
in a tunnel out of the tunnel,

443
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:37.960
yeah, out of the train going
into the tunnel commercial Yeah yeah, yeah,

444
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.799
I was gonna say a train going
in tunnel is the butt plug commercial.

445
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:47.680
It's a pretty gnarly butt plug insert
in the tunnel. Honey, I

446
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:55.880
got you the train Exclusive butt Club. We just watched North Northwest, not

447
00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.200
just watched a couple of years ago. We watched north by Northwest for the

448
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.240
first time, the Hitchcock movie.
And at the end, it's like the

449
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:06.599
dude and the lady get together and
it's just like fade to train just going

450
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:12.679
into tunnel like directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Smart. Smart really makes you think,

451
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.079
Yeah, I think I didn't pick
up on that, and I think

452
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.239
BOMK brought it up and I was
like, oh, that was a sex

453
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:21.239
thing. I always enjoy when there
are cuts to something happening in nature or

454
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.199
whatever, when it's implying the sex
scene. It happened recently in another movie.

455
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.920
I forget what it was. I
remember a cut. It's the only

456
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.199
thing I remember about this movie but
me myself and Irene. I remember there

457
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:37.679
was a cut where Jim Carrey is
like squatting down and like it yeah,

458
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.239
and they cut to like chocolate serve
coming out and like, you know,

459
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.880
scooping up into a cone and it's
very very effective. It's honestly the only

460
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.320
thing I remember from that movie.
I saw that movie with my parents.

461
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.559
What was the gimmick? Did he
have a multiple personality and multiple personalities and

462
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.280
one of them was like a real
degenerate piece of shit, and so it

463
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.280
wasn't another one like a marine drill
sergeant, though one of them was like

464
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.760
a nice, normal person. It
was Renee Zellweger was the love interest.

465
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.719
Okay, wow, wonder if this
holds up. I doubt it. There's

466
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.119
not being great back then. Yeah, wait, we should watch it,

467
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:25.039
scratch. Let's just watch me,
myself and Irene in Minnesota now on the

468
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.760
stream. We won't be able to
show you it or you can't hear it,

469
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.400
but you will be able to listen
to our live reaction. Yeah,

470
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:37.480
you'll be able to see. We'll
have CCTV of our reaction. Well.

471
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.880
I speaking of movies that I would
want to watch when we're in Minneapolis,

472
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:46.719
I'm just thinking about Rocky. Have
you guys watched Welcome to Wrexham. You

473
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.719
know what it is? Either of
you the you know? Ryan Reynolds and

474
00:35:51.800 --> 00:36:00.519
Rob mcleenny bought the previously a sports
team, the League six Sports Team professional

475
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:06.320
sports team in Wales and in England
or in the United Kingdom, you can

476
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.920
climb up the ranks basically. I
like, theoretically you could start in League

477
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.239
six climb all the way up to
the Premier League, which is where you

478
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.199
know you have your Arsenals and your
Chelsea's, your Liverpools, your Man United's,

479
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.400
your Man Cities. They bought a
like found not a floundering but a

480
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.920
team that's been stuck in League six
for fifteen years. They made a documentary

481
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.280
following them as they did it,
and then following the team and getting to

482
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.880
know the town and the people and
the players, the coach, et cetera,

483
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.800
the manager, I should say.
And second season just finished this week

484
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:43.679
that we're recording. I think it
was like November fourteenth. It's the finale

485
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.360
of season two. And they start
towards the end with the instrumental of victory

486
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:53.199
by P Diddy and the family.
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, I start

487
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:57.840
going to distance with I like to
think of it as just Biggie and then

488
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:02.400
P Diddy parton that as great yeah
yeah yeah, duct taping, Yeah no,

489
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.039
it's good. But then midway through, because Rob mclhenny is a big

490
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.119
from Philly, diehard Eagles fan.
He's from Philly. Did it's always sunny?

491
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:16.400
Obviously he created that. Uh.
Halfway through they actually like faded into

492
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:22.559
the actual Rocky victory. It's really
fucking good. But we should do a

493
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.320
lot with those. On the first
one. Yeah, while we're in Minneapolis

494
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:30.760
are Yeah, did you send me? Send me the infough We'll see how

495
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.880
much time we got and I get
in it. Yeah. I get in

496
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.360
like early afternoon on Friday. Yeah, cool, Okay, we'll have some

497
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.639
time. That's lots of time to
watch me myself and Irene. That's true

498
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.239
three times. It's like three and
a half hours long. I remember it

499
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:52.400
came on two BH. Really that's
unnecessary. Fair Brothers Comedy. What are

500
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:58.079
you? What are your guesses on
minutes? Uh? Nin I'm eighty five

501
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:06.199
ninety It is an hour fifty six, which is too long for that.

502
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.119
That is way too long for that. Something About Mary is two hours and

503
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.079
ten minutes long. Absolutely unnecessary.
I wonder if that holds up. That

504
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:19.440
was kind of a like Something About
Mary was a moment in American comedy,

505
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.559
Like people were all about that movie. There's a couple of problems I can

506
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:29.000
immediately think of when it comes to
like the aging of their something. All

507
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.480
I remember that is hair like the
hair thing. Oh well, no,

508
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.559
do not know the joke. No, it's it's come. Oh he was.

509
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.440
He was trying to whack off before
a date because he wanted to make

510
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.679
sure he lasted long in case.
No, no, no. The advice

511
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.440
was, you won't be cool unless
you jerk off before the date, because

512
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.079
you'll be because you'll be antsy and
stuff. Yeah. So he's whacking off

513
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:55.000
in a bathroom right before the date
and he comes and he's like looking around

514
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.199
trying to find it and yeah,
yeah he can't find it. And this

515
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.599
is like in the aler. Yeah, and oh it's so yeah so uh

516
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:08.199
fun just like you describing these sequences. He opens up the door and she's

517
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.639
like, is that caragile? And
she grabbed it off of his ear.

518
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.519
Scoop said, it's dangling out the
ear. Yeah, puts it in her

519
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.239
hair. Yeah, that's that's the
whole thing. Yeah. Interesting. The

520
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.519
first thing I ever saw Cameron Diaz
and was the mask. That's I think

521
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.239
when everyone found out about Cameron Diaz, you ever forget No one did.

522
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:32.800
No, It's funny how everyone has
that reaction to the max. Very absolutely

523
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:42.719
didn't you claim that I said for
me, and you guys manipulated it.

524
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:52.239
I specifically said that I was wildly
turned on by the mask because somebody waiting,

525
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:58.800
Wait did you say first smoking?
Somebody stopped me? Is the mask

526
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.039
a spo? Was alrighty? Then
alrighty? Then he also did like a

527
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:07.920
glove, like a glove her two
when the monster truck Yeah, yeah,

528
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:12.400
no he flips the car and then
sees the monster truck. Yeah. I

529
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:16.719
didn't hear you a person. I
thought you said alas catchphrase, my wife

530
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:27.559
famous mask catchphrase? We should watch
the mask? Would that before I watch?

531
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:35.679
I'm curious? Should watched? Help
dear? Oh god, I want

532
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.079
to watch before you watch before every
podcast. You're obviously not right in the

533
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:46.440
head. Tonight you brought up butt
plugs, but dazzled you brought up the

534
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:52.039
butt plug. Sitting on a PlayStation
three? Now the controller, the console

535
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.360
doesn't vibrate the place three would do
anything for which is smooth and like round?

536
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.920
Yeah, it depends on how you
use it. What would be the

537
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:09.000
most fun console to sit on?
A game cube? Handle up? Oh

538
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:17.360
yeah, okay, between the cheeks
handle yeah, trying to think Super Nintendo

539
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:23.320
and it's box. The sixty four
has that like little curve that might go

540
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:34.360
right at the cheeks. All right, the Xbox God, the original Xbox

541
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:39.039
No, nothing from Xbox Oh too
sharp, the corners will get Yeah,

542
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:43.280
yeah, absolutely no. Next time
you see Philip, be like, why

543
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:47.159
are you designing your consoles specifically not
to go up my butt? I'll tell

544
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:51.199
Grub to ask him that next time
we interview them. Yeah, it's a

545
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:52.920
hardesty question. You can claim it, you can take credit for it.

546
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:59.920
I don't. It's too pointy.
Maybe the play D eight you can't just

547
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:05.840
oh with the small one it's a
crank. Oh yeah, I don't know

548
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.599
what it would do for you.
Something and something other than just a box.

549
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:16.000
I mean, I think like a
PSP all. This seems like I

550
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:22.320
would have heard. They're all hurt. You're not playing the game, They're

551
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:27.559
all not about gaming. In that
moment, you think, an, what's

552
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.800
the what's like the longest vide?
No, never mind, I don't know.

553
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.559
I just need to move on at
this point. Who's hosting this?

554
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.480
What anything? Anything? Has been
going on in your lives? Mary?

555
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:49.360
Talk to me, baby girl,
what's on your mind? Just go toy

556
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.760
stuff. I think we're kind of
trying to get as many games under our

557
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:58.360
belts before and I am similar to
you last episode. I got sick this

558
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.960
week because I've just been jetting all
over the United States. I think I

559
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.599
finally, like my body finally quit
on me, so I like had to

560
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.320
stay home all week. I wasn't
cool at all this week. Actually,

561
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:13.800
I mostly hung out and quarantined.
I had to get my groceries delivered because

562
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.400
I didn't want, you know,
I didn't want to gang one sick,

563
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:22.199
so I had to I had to
order. I had to do Instacart and

564
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.440
got all my groceries delivered. That's
probably the most exciting thing that I did.

565
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.159
The first time you've used Instacart.
I really don't use it often because

566
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:35.199
it's expensive and really I like to
pick my stuff. And I don't like

567
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:38.679
even in real time when they like
text me and they're like they didn't have

568
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:40.440
this, but I'm going to get
you this one, and it's just like,

569
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.480
but I don't want that one,
Like I have a system. I

570
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.960
also like to pick out my produce, you know, like I have when

571
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:51.760
Okay, I'll give you an example. If you do an Instacart, you

572
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.079
don't get to say I want an
avocado and I want it to be ripe

573
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:59.920
in three days. Right, you
just say avocado and whatever they pick is

574
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.639
what you get. And it's just
a bit of a gamble. So when

575
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.159
I got my instac cart, I
asked for two avocados, and one was

576
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.360
like, you're not gonna be able
to use this savocado for two weeks,

577
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:15.280
and the other one was you should
use this yesterday. And I immediately had

578
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.079
to decide that I was going to
make tacos that night because I had an

579
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.679
avocado that had to be eaten.
So like the stress of like the instacart

580
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.440
of what they're going to give me. I mean, even when you get

581
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:29.079
to pick it out, like fruit
like stresses me out. And then like

582
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.800
I'll buy a thing at Costco of
like strawberries and it's like I love strawberries

583
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.800
and I'll buy it. I'll have
like four of them or something, and

584
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.440
there's like thirty left, and like
three days later, one of them got

585
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:43.599
super like yeah gray and shit grown
on it, and it's like, well,

586
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.920
I'm not going to eat any of
these now because that's all fucked up.

587
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.119
So yeah, I mean, to
be safe, you can, but

588
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:53.039
you can also eat ones that like
aren't near it. You're fine. I

589
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:58.000
meant no, doctor, but yeah, I think there's so if you want

590
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:04.159
to go above and beyond Dan,
Yeah, here's what you do. When

591
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:10.559
your fruities come from instacart, immediately
take them out and put them in a

592
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:17.960
whatever a container. No, you
put them in water with like a scoop

593
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.280
of baking soda and like shuffle them
around and give them a good shake rou

594
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:29.920
and get all it gets all the
bugs, and it gets like dirt and

595
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.920
like little bacterias off of them.
Because people always tell you to wash your

596
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:37.519
fruit. The secret, though,
is that if you wash it the second

597
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.679
you get it home, and then
you put it into like a nice storage

598
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:46.199
container, you're gonna help preserve it
just like a couple of days longer.

599
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:51.000
And you can also tell in that
process when you're doing it, you'll be

600
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:52.559
able to tell if one of the
fruits is like kind of soft and like

601
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.000
midgy and you're like that's the last
long eat it right, then just like

602
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.360
get rid of it, you know, yeah, and then you'll have the

603
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.320
ones that'll preserve it. When I
do that, my fruit lasts like five

604
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.840
to six days as opposed to two
to three days. Okay, that sounds

605
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:12.079
super helpful. Baking soda seems unnecessary, but what's cool that it is like

606
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:19.239
the carbonation of it in the water
really helps. Like pick off stuff that's

607
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.400
on your fruit. And okay,
anyone will tell you this, but like

608
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.599
if you ain't washing your fruit,
like are you are eating gross stuff?

609
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.719
Because I at least do that check
it. You know, so you gotta

610
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:30.800
wash it. But if you do
it when it gets home instead of before

611
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.320
you eat it, just do it
as soon as you get home and get

612
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.639
all the bacteria and gross bits off
it. Okay, speaking of grossed up

613
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.760
in bugs, I had a moment. I think it was during I was

614
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.280
like podcasting a giant bomb or something, and I felt something on my back

615
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:46.960
and I went to go itch it. This was yesterday, god, and

616
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.239
I grabbed it and I was like, what is this? Like a skin

617
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.480
tag? What is this? And
I pull and it hurts a lot?

618
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.719
What the fuck? And I pulled
so hard, like really really hard.

619
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.280
I felt my skin stretching out.
It wouldn't come off and it hurt super

620
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.039
bad. And it was like,
that's the fucking skin tag. I'm gonna

621
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.559
have to like figure out a doctor
thing and find time to get there or

622
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:07.559
whatever. I was like, wait
a minute, let me ask, let

623
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:08.320
me ask monk. And I went
up there and I was like, hey,

624
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.840
is there like a skin tag here? And she's like ooh, it

625
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:16.320
was a dug in tick like this
big time and I had been playing and

626
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.199
she said it was all like black
and blue around it where I was pulling

627
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.400
on it because I was pulling so
hard, let go, And so we

628
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.679
took a I'd heard that like if
you light if you have a lighter and

629
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.199
you hold it up to its butt, it'll freak out and like back up.

630
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.360
But the only lighter we had was
have we seen those electric ones?

631
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.840
There's like usb ones that like yeah, it's like a pull and the little

632
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:37.840
thing it's for like lighting candles.
And I was like, here, this

633
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:42.360
is the try this and so Bunk
took it to my back and like the

634
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.079
little like zap thing just went through
the tick and he was like like,

635
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:50.159
like died. So now I've got
this like on fire dead tick in my

636
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.880
back. It's still there. Yeah, so that's the thing. Like it

637
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:58.440
was still super dug in, so
it's like just roasted corpse in my back.

638
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.199
I'm just sitting on a toilet basing
the wall right now as you're talking,

639
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.039
it's still in your back. No
no, no, no, probably

640
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:17.960
like probably I don't know away red
or whatever. Yeah, I pulled a

641
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.440
tick. I've gone camping a lot
throughout my life, and one time I

642
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:27.039
went to McDonald's for breakfast the next
day and I like felt it along my

643
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:31.320
waistband and I like saw it like
doing this cartoonish like legs flailing as it

644
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.360
was trying to get deeper, and
me was like, I don't think so.

645
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:36.840
I actually slept that in the middle
of this McDonald's. I was waiting

646
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:38.159
a line to get mcgriddles. I
was like, I don't think so,

647
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:40.760
and then pulled it out and flicked
it towards the bathrooms, just pulled it

648
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:45.559
right out that far in. Oh
wow, there suck. There is another

649
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.559
way. I forget what the the
hack is to get them out. Besides

650
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.119
fire was put like a like a
it's not ver some it's like some sort

651
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:58.079
of like nail poly fromover or some
some household thing that you can like put

652
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.519
over them and I don't know if
it steals it and they die or back

653
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.039
out to get air or something.
But yeah, did I tell you about

654
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:08.760
the one of my ball sack.
No, no, I don't think so

655
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:13.239
let me get a beer and I'll
tell you. Hang, Okay, I

656
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.280
don't think I've ever had a tick. I I've pulled ticks out of dogs.

657
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.480
That is like a standard of having
dogs, as I definitely happened.

658
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.079
I have had to get rid of
them on my animals, and I have

659
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:30.719
like, uh removers stuff that like
they it's like poison and as soon as

660
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.800
you spray it on them, they're
like and they get out and die.

661
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.559
But I've never had any on you
know, my balls, my balls.

662
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:44.039
So I was like thirteen, like
peak like, oh, it's awkward teenager

663
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:45.360
going through puberty. I don't want
people to know about my balls. Don't

664
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.159
want people to think about my balls. Nothing like that. And the Smithsonian

665
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:58.159
Institute was on tour, Mike,
that's where this is going. I immediately

666
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.440
have no clue where this story is
going. I don't know how it plays

667
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.039
in either but nowhere it's going.
But I don't know how you're going to

668
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:06.639
get there. I mean, I
was never a woodsy kid, you know,

669
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:08.840
growing up that much. So it's
like I went to the Smithsonian Institute,

670
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:13.159
I saw the hat Abe Lincoln was
wearing when he got assassinated all that

671
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:16.360
stuff. And then I went home
and I don't remember what I was doing,

672
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:21.519
uh, but I noticed something on
my balls and it was just a

673
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.119
tick dug in on my scrot them. And Mike you had a question,

674
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:30.280
Yeah, why why did you mention
camping? What does Smithsonian Institute have to

675
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:31.440
do with camping? Well, no, I'm saying I was not. So

676
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.559
like, it's not like I was
out wandering through the woods or anything.

677
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:40.320
I was literally like a museum in
Kansas City museum and you came and found

678
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.960
a tick on your on your balls. Yeah, And I remember like telling

679
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:46.880
my mom that, like I got
a tick, and she's liked, were

680
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.239
you in the woods or anything.
I was like, no, it's at

681
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:57.079
the Smithsonian Institute and uhcond long joke, No it's not. Is just a

682
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.400
real story. And I was like, Mom, what do I I was

683
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.239
kind of freaking out because again,
don't want anything weird going on with my

684
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.400
ball sack at any point, much
less at thirteen. And She's like,

685
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.000
well, you're supposed to. I'll
do it. My mom always did,

686
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:15.320
and so like I had to fucking
thirteen years old just drop my pants and

687
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.599
the I remember sitting on a stool
and yeah, in the kitchen, sitting

688
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.000
on a stool, pants around my
ankles, and she took a needle and

689
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:27.360
a lighter and lit the needle and
made it super hot and then was like

690
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.760
on my balls, like fucking put
it up against the ticks ass to scare

691
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.599
it. And I don't think it
came out. I remember her taking tweezers

692
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:37.599
to my balls and a lighter and
a needle, And this was not a

693
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:42.000
play. There's a kick in there. This is a bad, bad situation.

694
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.360
You should send her a card,
like, I know that was bad

695
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:51.280
for you, but have you ever
considered your your mother's perspective? Have you

696
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.960
ever considered your mom, who was
probably like thinking about what she was going

697
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:58.039
to make for dinner and her son
comes in. She just wanted to watch

698
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:02.159
twenty four or something ball and she
got a fucking lighter and looked at her

699
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:07.719
son's nuts and pulled a tick out, Like your mom is a good mom?

700
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:08.599
Yeah, I mean, is this
what you sign up for when you

701
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.119
have kids, is having to do
ship like that? Absolutely not. She

702
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.880
had no idea that she was ever
gonna pull a tick out of your fucking

703
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:22.039
nutsack and it's a great and thirteen
years and nutsack. I never even questioned

704
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.599
it. M Oh, it's like
that's like me right now doing that to

705
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:30.679
a kid. Well, to my
kid, I like, yeah, God,

706
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:36.880
you're gonna get the authorities that cut
that cut that whole thing out.

707
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:47.039
I didn't come out like I meant
to. Yeah, but yeah that Sony

708
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.840
Institute. Yeah, I gotta tick
my balls. But but it's out.

709
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.440
Did she get it? Oh it's
not there anymore? Will you never finished

710
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:57.400
the story? Oh? Yeah,
you actually got it out? And just

711
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.920
what it was? Tremendously uncomfortable?
What was the u the solution? What

712
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.320
did she like? I think the
fiery needle eventually got it. Oh that

713
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:08.199
wasn't her first thing. Yeah,
I don't remember the specifics, but she

714
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:14.360
got tried peanut butter, she try
gosh y, all sorts of weird archaic

715
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.079
methods, just the worst. I
think I've turned into kind of a softy

716
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.360
with like any kind of animal stuff. I remember, like as as a

717
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:23.599
kid, you know, they were
like bugs in the house. You know,

718
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.239
whether it is spider ant or whatever, and you just kill it,

719
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.599
me stop it or whatever, you
know, like kids, young boys do

720
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.079
that shit all the time and don't
think twice, and like, I don't

721
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:34.079
know, ever since I met Bank, she's always the type like, oh,

722
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.280
there's a lady bug in the house, she is going to like super

723
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.239
gingerly put a cyrofoam cup over it
and take it outside and let it free.

724
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:43.159
And even like spiders and stuff,
and like, ever since I met

725
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.119
Bonk, I've kind of become more
like much software about that stuff. It

726
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.000
was like, Okay, I don't
need that, Like I love but ticks,

727
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:51.679
that's all to say. Ticks,
no remorse. They can fucking die.

728
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:57.360
Yeah them in mosquitoes, anything that
can like genuinely like of a mosquito.

729
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.239
My dog is severely allergic to all
sorts of stuff. If a mosquito

730
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:06.000
got into my dog's blood, it
could genuinely cause a severe allergic reaction.

731
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:12.360
So anything that can attack my dog
I consider a personal a personal attack on

732
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.159
me. And so I will kill
anything that takes blood, that can bite

733
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:20.159
things like that. But you know, bugs in the house, I do

734
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.159
my best to scoop them up into
a little jar and take them out.

735
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.079
Now, I think that's I think
I've always been like that, though I

736
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:32.039
really don't think killing necessarily if you
can avoid it. Yeah, killed the

737
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.800
deer with a shovel. Once you
killed the deer with a shovel as a

738
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:45.440
joke. Actually likes as well.
Shot elephant in my pajamas. What he

739
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:52.400
was doing in my pajamas, I'll
never know. Nice that. I'm proud

740
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:57.559
of that. Proud of you.
This is not like a funny story,

741
00:54:57.559 --> 00:54:59.880
but it's like there were those memories
that like super stick with you. And

742
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:00.559
and there was a moment when I
was a kid, and I don't know

743
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:05.119
if I was eight or something,
but my grandpa let me like use his

744
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.320
BB gun and he had the woods
behind his house, and I remember sitting

745
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.079
back there and like there was a
target and stuff, and I'd shoot the

746
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:13.760
target with the BB guns and stuff. And you know, I knew up

747
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.000
hunting. A lot of people in
my family hunted and stuff like that,

748
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.559
and obviously in Kansas it was a
big thing, but I'd never done it

749
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:22.320
myself. And there was like a
crow or something and it landed on a

750
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.159
branch near the target, and I
was like, oh, I could do

751
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:28.639
I could see what like huntings like. And I shot the crow and it

752
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.039
fell and it died. And when
I said Grandpa, Grandpa, I hunted

753
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.639
a crow or I hunted a bird, and he took me out to like

754
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:37.280
go clean it up and stuff.
But we stood over it and there's just

755
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.199
this dead crow in the in the
ground or on the ground, and my

756
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.599
grandpa just looked at me and he
goes, well, do you feel like

757
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.880
a man now, Danny? And
I said, and I went I was

758
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.119
like no, he was, that's
right, like it was. He didn't

759
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:53.599
say anything. He wasn't pro or
con or anything. He just said,

760
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:57.119
you, does this make you feel
like a man? And let me think

761
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.199
about it? And I was like
no, I don't know, Like I

762
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:01.119
wasn't even thinking about it before.
And I was like, oh wait,

763
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:04.559
no, I don't really feel good
about this. And that was like,

764
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.599
yeah, sounds like a really cool
guy, and that's a really good lesson

765
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.440
to teach you. But you had
the opportunity to do something really cool as

766
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.599
a kid and be like, yeah, I want to kill more now,

767
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:21.639
Grandpa, and like really just shake
him, give the small animals right,

768
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:23.159
get me up there? Yeah,
it is it is. And I wasn't

769
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:28.800
like I've heard yeah, And it
wasn't out of any I didn't intend like

770
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:30.639
it wasn't like I was excited about
the idea of hurting this crow or anything.

771
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:32.440
I was just like, oh,
I could do hunting, you know,

772
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:37.320
I've heard of this, and then
kid would instinctively if you give a

773
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.519
kid a stick, the first thing
they're probably going to do is hit something

774
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:45.320
with it. Right, These are
like instinctive children things. If you give

775
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.599
a kid a gun, even if
it's a BB gun and something's moving,

776
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.400
I could see any child tempted with
the idea of shooting it and seeing if

777
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.719
they could do it. I don't
think that's necessarily evil. It's probably just

778
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.119
like an instinct that we have when
we were given a weapon, which is

779
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:07.119
why we had to teach children what
to do when they have weapons. Yeah.

780
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:08.639
Yeah, And all of it is
that one moment of my grandpa just

781
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:10.760
making me think about it per second, and I was like, oh,

782
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:15.079
yeah, I guess that doesn't feel
good and like, oh man, it's

783
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:16.159
dead now, because I mean,
like, that wasn't like yeah, I

784
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.599
got it, you know, it
was like, Oh, compare that to

785
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:23.719
me, who never ever was allowed
to like touch a BB gun growing up.

786
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:29.880
My parents would never put any weapons
in my household, and I had

787
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:35.639
never even outside of movies, knew
what guns were. It's really not something

788
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.519
I would ever come in contact with. And then in college, probably my

789
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:43.400
junior year, one of my like
friends of a friend was like, I

790
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:45.840
have a I bought a fucking gun, and I'm gonna go to the range

791
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.679
and I'm gonna shoot it. And
I was like, I want to also

792
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.840
shoot this gun because I've never done
it before. And instinctively, when I

793
00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:01.239
got my hands on my first gun, I had to hold it sideways and

794
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:07.079
bload it like really fast like it
was because I was like, that's what

795
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.400
I think is supposed to happen and
feel good, and so I like boiled

796
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:15.920
it sideways and like unloaded all six
like bullets immediately and was like ah,

797
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:19.920
and then we hit every target,
right, I mean I hit nothing.

798
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.480
And then when they were like and
then I looked at them like laughing,

799
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.920
and they were like, all right, You're done, and I was like,

800
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.960
oh right, I'm an idiot.
But I I didn't have that gun

801
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.639
back. No one taught me how
to hold it, and so like,

802
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:39.039
to a degree, while I don't
think we should be making sure every child

803
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:45.159
has a gun, I don't think
that's the case. That's our platform every

804
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:52.559
child gun, make sure they all
have one. What I guess what I'm

805
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:59.519
saying is is like the knowledge from
being able to hold it with a responsible

806
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:06.480
person that explains the danger of it
and maybe like dispelling the coolness of it,

807
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:08.880
that it's not cool, that it's
powerful, or that it can do

808
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.519
so much damage, or that you
could kill something with it, Like you

809
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:16.480
learn Dan, that's extremely important to
learn young. And I wish I had

810
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:22.079
learned as a child that when you
have the opportunity to have a gun,

811
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.159
that you never mess around with it, because I just was never. I

812
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:28.920
don't know, I mean, you
should probably just naturally know not to hold

813
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:31.519
a gun sideways, but I couldn't
help it. Yeah, people that actually

814
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:36.239
like know their guns and stuff are
extremely serious about like oh, trigger discipline

815
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.679
and just just general rules like you
never do this, like people that take

816
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:42.280
it very very seriously, Like there
was a responsible way to do that.

817
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.000
But I did it with a bunch
of eighteen year old ding dongs. That

818
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:49.719
ain't the way I had a bunch
I like you guys know, I have

819
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.519
like generations above me of military parts
of my family, and then I had

820
00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:59.239
when I was pretty young, my
grandpa and is hundred acre woods and like

821
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.239
uncles would take us out, like
teach us hunter Dinker Woods one hundred acre

822
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:09.800
woods. Oh okay, that's less
funny. Okay, man man always go

823
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:15.679
to hunter Dinker Woods like Humperdnker Woods. Yeah, what is this? Yeah,

824
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:20.199
my grandpa's from Texas and you own
humper Dinker Woods. And that's where

825
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:25.159
we unloaded all our glocks. Yeah. We bring rifles and uh and whatnot

826
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:29.519
out and they would teach us like
how to use them safely. Yeah,

827
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.760
I mean they also show them where
they were stored though, so a lot

828
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:37.400
of people to take out six of
one. I don't know they were doing,

829
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:44.119
but yeah, I uh yeah,
I don't. I don't think it's

830
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:47.679
super safe to uh shoot a gun
sideways. In fact, I'm pretty I

831
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:52.800
know it's not. I've dual wielded
pistols before. Handguns. Don't ever say

832
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:54.880
we don't have range. On this
podcast. We can talk about gun safety

833
01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.199
and shoving a we mowede up your
ass within like fifteen minutes. Yeah,

834
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:05.719
our listeners are confused. They've been
skipping fifteen seconds ahead and there's a lot

835
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:13.199
of whiplash when that happens. Are
they still horny? I'm talking about gun

836
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:21.519
safety. Now. I'm not horny
anymore. I am. That's the only

837
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:25.800
way I can get off these days, specifically gun safety. Yeah. Yeah.

838
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:30.159
My man is like, yeah,
put the safety finger, finger off

839
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.760
the trigger. Yeah. I shouldn't
do this, man, I'm sorry.

840
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.480
She's a guess. Lock the safe, Lock the safe. It's so personal.

841
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:50.760
Do the background check, yeah,
do the background check. You guys

842
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:55.960
will talk about video games. Oh
right, yeah, don't put that in

843
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:02.119
there. But after the cough,
can you make it like a machine gun?

844
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.000
Jake? Can you make it so
it does it like ten times in

845
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:09.559
a row real fast. Have you
guys played more Allen Wake two? Yeah?

846
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:15.079
Yeah? Good? Is that good? Yeah? It is. Here's

847
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:17.800
my thought on that is, I
was just talking to Bok about this,

848
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:21.840
and I have had not had a
lot of time to play games in the

849
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:23.440
last couple weeks because I'm setting up
Game of the Year and all that stuff.

850
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:29.639
But I am like sixteen hours in
Alan Wake now I'm done with like

851
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:35.320
six chapters with both characters. And
it is messy. It is a messy

852
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:37.719
game. It is. There are
parts that are just kind of weirdly balanced.

853
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:43.000
There's bugs. I had the game
breaking bug the Espresso Express bug.

854
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:44.960
I don't know if you've heard of
that, where like one of the cards

855
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:45.800
won't move out of the way,
and it's a thing you have to do

856
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.199
to progress, to give a circuit
board to make the parade float to a

857
01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:51.840
thing and all that. So I
just straight up, yeah, I straight

858
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:55.000
up couldn't progress, and so this
stuff is frustrating. But I was thinking

859
01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:00.000
that, like, I would take
a million of these games that are bold

860
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.280
and weird and trying completely new things, and I can honestly say I've never

861
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:09.360
played a game that feels like this
over a much more polished game. In

862
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:13.360
the game that always came to mind
when I was thinking this was Gotta Wear

863
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:17.719
Ragnarok, where it's like that game
the most polished, the most expensive looking,

864
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:22.199
the highest production value. It is
fucking polished. I don't know if

865
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.480
I ran into a fucking bug in
that game, none of that, but

866
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:29.920
I felt nothing playing that entire game. Whereas Alan Wake two, I've been

867
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:31.119
frustrated. I've been like, why
isn't this working? A guy, I

868
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:35.320
can't even progress here? Oh this
is acting weird. I need to actit

869
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:37.800
the game and come back, or
this isn't clearer or this seems this boss

870
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:43.880
bites balanced weirdly. Ultimately, there's
so many times though that I've thought like,

871
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:46.239
what a fucking cool idea, and
they are nailing this, and this

872
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:53.440
has such a bold identity and I
will take that over the predictable polish of

873
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:58.159
a lot of Triple A games any
day of the week. It's fucking awesome.

874
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.800
Oh yeah for Remedy to be I
might have mentioned this last episode,

875
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:06.039
but they've always felt like that underdog
studio that's swinging way bigger than they have

876
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:11.559
the budget and scope for the fact
that with Control and I've gone back to

877
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:14.840
Control since Ellen Wake two, but
especially on Wick two, they've got that

878
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.719
maybe not God of War Ragnarock budget, but they've got like a triple A

879
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:21.559
budget now and they're still being weird
with it. Is so fucking like hardening

880
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:26.960
to see. I wish more games
for studios were doing that. I get

881
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.239
that Remedy has carved out this niche
for themselves and they've you know, it

882
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:33.960
sounds like they were pretty selective when
they were talking to Epic and now you

883
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:38.400
know, like when they are having
these partnerships and whatnot, it sounds like

884
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:43.440
they're very selective because they want to
make weird shit that they might just well,

885
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:45.079
I don't want to spoil anything.
Ell'm like, two, we got

886
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:49.280
to do spoiler cast with this game
once you finish it. I love the

887
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:51.800
like I mean, Dan, you
were texting me, You're like, oh,

888
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:54.639
this is the section you were talking
about, isn't it. I'm like

889
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:57.199
yep, and You're like, I'm
it was like two am, You're like

890
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.559
this is this is incredible. I'm
fucking loving this so much. And I

891
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:02.599
worried that it was overhyped because like
when I hear things like oh this one,

892
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:04.880
you know, even like the headline, I'm polygone if like, oh

893
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:06.960
this you know, fifteen minute stretch, it's like one of the best,

894
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:10.639
you know gaming loans of the ear
I know you did, And like even

895
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:12.719
even like just hearing that stuff,
it's like, Okay, I know the

896
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:15.280
name of the chapter and just so
like as soon as I see it pop

897
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:16.280
up on the screen, I'm like, Okay, this is supposed to be

898
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.599
the big chapter. Wait to make
fun of mic when it's not that good.

899
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.960
Yeah, And I was like,
oh my god. There were so

900
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.400
many times in that whole stretch where
I was like, what a cool,

901
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.400
funny fucking thing that is so uniquely
video games, you know, in the

902
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.159
way it's interactive. God damn it, that game is so fucking good.

903
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:39.599
Since where I just finished the nursing
nursing home stuff. Oh God, yeah,

904
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:45.119
yeah that gets it's creepy going through
basements and yeah, it's Oh man,

905
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:48.480
I'm I'm I'm in love of this
game and more and more so every

906
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.039
time I play it. And I
remember a summer Games Best people were talking

907
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.880
about it like a demo very well, and I remember like I got an

908
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:56.760
opportunity. Somebody worked on the game
was like, hey, do you want

909
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:58.639
to come check this out? And
I was like, I gotta go do

910
01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:00.639
a thing or whatever. And I
wasn't super interesting in checking it out because

911
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.719
I didn't love the first one.
But I am so glad I gave this

912
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:08.639
a chance because it is so like
it almost makes me want to go back

913
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:11.880
and play the first one, just
because I'm actually like into this story,

914
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:14.440
in this world now, in these
characters. I don't expect it to be

915
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.440
anywhere near what this one is.
But God, going from not on my

916
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:21.519
radar at all to like a high
up game for me this year, I

917
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:26.639
did not expect. Yeah, Mary, have you gotten did you get farther

918
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:30.119
into it? Or I'm in but
I am, but I'm not as parts,

919
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:32.880
not these cool parts. So are
you? Are you sticking with saga

920
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:36.079
mainly? Still? Are you did
you get did you get to the point

921
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:40.960
where you can swap between you can? Okay? Cool? Okay, I

922
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:44.920
can experience up there? Weok it
picks up there. And that's also where

923
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:46.880
like some of the frustrations come up, like I really I still don't like

924
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:51.800
this stuff with Alan I have I
have to be I have to be on

925
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:57.480
my mental game to play this game. And obviously, uh, there are

926
01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:00.719
lots of games where I enjoy the
fact that it's going to challenge me.

927
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:04.559
It's just that I'm not always in
the mood. Sometimes I want to drink

928
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.559
five beers and play a game,
and this isn't actually the game I feel

929
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.840
like I can do. This is
the game where I'm like, do I

930
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:15.159
want to solve mystery? I'm gonna
do it. You know, I had

931
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.679
to really be on to play this
game, but it is enjoy Some of

932
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:23.400
those stashes are like there's two or
that are algebra puzzles. Y, I

933
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:27.440
know I'm not doing this right now. Sam Lake and Kyle, you don't

934
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:30.679
like no puzzles, No puzzles,
now puzzles. This is like, don't

935
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:34.559
fucking be full math, you bitch, Like, how could you possibly expect

936
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:41.599
me to do full math? It's
it's dangerous what they're asking of regular joes

937
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:46.400
aka dumb dumbs like me to do
after a full work day. I'm like,

938
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:50.480
are you asking me to do math
right now? Yeah? It's like

939
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:55.039
the show, Uh it was that
game show back in the day. It

940
01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:57.360
might I don't think it's still going
and I forget a channel it is down,

941
01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.400
but like, are you smarter than
a fifth grader? Oh? Yeah,

942
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:01.840
yeah. They would have adults come
on and compete against fifth actual fifth

943
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:05.360
graders in like math or history,
the shit that they were learning that they

944
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.880
are learning in fifth grade, And
you think back, it's like, well,

945
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:11.239
obviously the kids are gonna remember it, but it's like it's just to

946
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.480
show that, like how much for
adults forget and how much kids retained in

947
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:16.560
the short term. Like that's not
thinking back. It's not a compelling show.

948
01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:20.399
But it's like algebra, I don't
want to be fucking doing this,

949
01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:24.960
And I the second one, I
actually wrote it out. The equation I

950
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.239
realized I remembered more than I thought
I had. But fuck, like whatever,

951
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.479
I'm getting off topic, my point
being, it's very funny to me.

952
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:34.720
I love talking to Sam Lake and
I love interviewing people from that studio

953
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:40.920
because they just do this weird shit
and you can tell so many times in

954
01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:46.079
that game they were just having a
blast kicking or like they were like there.

955
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:49.199
You could definitely tell where they showed
some restraint in this game, but

956
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:56.439
not many times. And I love
the fact that there are these two algebra

957
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:59.960
problems for these puzzles, where like
Resumel four would have been like shoot the

958
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:04.199
glowing thing nearby, and allen Wick
two has that to the tenth degree as

959
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:08.960
well. But it's like I want
to know who in the writer's room or

960
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:11.880
on the design team is like what
if we made like But that's funny because

961
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:14.239
they call back to it. It's
like the cult themselves are like, who

962
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:18.079
the fuck did this? Locked?
Very yeah, it's not super precious about

963
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:20.159
like, oh, we got to
make sure these are like this serious blood

964
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:24.159
cult, Like there's a door,
key notes and stuff too. It's it's

965
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:26.960
it's one of the funniest games I've
ever played. Honestly, yeah, Like

966
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:30.920
it's sense of humor is incredible and
super unique, and it pulls off something

967
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.359
that I usually bristle at, which
is whether it's a movie or a game,

968
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:39.039
like when the creator shoves himself in
there, Like I always even like

969
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:41.439
it, just like Killers the Flower
Moon and there's a part where it's like,

970
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:44.560
oh, why is Martin scorse as
you just suddenly hear it's that's weird.

971
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.359
And also game makers like the fucking
who's the Joseph Paris, the guy

972
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:53.560
that did Brothers and all that,
Like there's this stuff and like it takes

973
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.600
two or you look through the telescope
and you hear him saying, oh fuck

974
01:09:56.680 --> 01:09:59.840
the oscars or whatever. It's like, okay, this seems like Selp and

975
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:03.039
Agent in a dumb way. Sam
Lake every time he's in this and he's

976
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.800
like a big part of this game, I'm like, yeah, okay,

977
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:10.119
this is good. He fits in
this world earnest. He is funny,

978
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:13.520
it's earnest, and he's going for
it in a way that's not just like

979
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.560
m I put my face in the
game. It's like no, he's actually

980
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:20.079
like he's additive to the game.
I would say, yeah, I I

981
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:24.680
love, and I went back to
Control him halfway through Control now for the

982
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:28.720
second time or sorry, I'm doing
my second play through of Control since twenty

983
01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:33.439
nineteen, and I bounced off Control. I don't have bounced off. I

984
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:38.039
had brute force my way through Control
in twenty nineteen, and Mary, I

985
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:42.319
will say, I still don't like
Remedy had the same problem in Control.

986
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.600
They're not always great about signposting where
you need to go next. I don't

987
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:50.000
mind it as much in allen Wick
two because I like the world of allen

988
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:56.000
Wick two more so as Saga.
I don't mind backtracking through this really creepy,

989
01:10:56.199 --> 01:11:00.640
funny cool like pack Northwest Town or
a couple of them. Control,

990
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:02.960
though, I mean it's so much
more Metrovna ask. It's like and the

991
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:08.039
and they literally there are notes telling
you, hey, maps are hard to

992
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:10.960
read in the oldest house because there
are building shifts, and then that doesn't

993
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.640
make sense. I'm like, Okay, I get that they're calling attention to

994
01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:16.000
it, but that map is not
great In Control, and sometimes you have

995
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:24.239
to backtrap to a department that's like
six chapters back and across the map.

996
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:27.439
I'm and I'm I'm loving Control,
don't get me wrong, but also Control

997
01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:30.399
is missing that sense of humor that
Ellen Wake two has, and like the

998
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.359
I love, I'm very happy I
went back to Control. I'm gonna keep

999
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:40.680
playing it. It's very funny to
see how much they were setting up with

1000
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.159
aut of Alan Wake two with Control, Like there's the DLC, the AWE

1001
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:47.119
DLC Altered World event, but oh
my god, so many notes. Even

1002
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.199
in like the first two chapters,
you're like, uh, oh shit,

1003
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:55.960
what was the one? Oh god, this is gonna kill me. It'll

1004
01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:58.439
come to me. But there's one
early on. It's one of those documents

1005
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.520
you're reading where they've blacked out,
redacted some lines, and there's clearly one

1006
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:06.000
that's referencing something of the part of
the Remedy Connected Universe, which again I

1007
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:11.239
fucking hate that. I get really
tired with MCU stuff, but we had

1008
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:15.199
Tucsan Egan at Polygen wrote something.
It went up yesterday. It's like,

1009
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.880
I actually like the Remedy Connected Universe
because it's not exhausting. You don't need

1010
01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:21.760
to do homework to understand it.
It's just fun to like see them doing

1011
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:28.439
the Stephen king esk building out this
horror supernatural action universe. It's it's like

1012
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:30.920
fun to connect the dots and that's
literally what you're doing a saga the whole

1013
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:33.800
game anyway, So is that like, because I was thinking about how like

1014
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:39.199
I've never seen a game studio do
something like this where it's this connected universe?

1015
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.720
Is that a is that what that's
called with like comic shock, like

1016
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.119
the MCU is a Marvel connected universe? Is that what stands for? That?

1017
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.399
Is? Okay? Okay? So
that is they didn't did they come

1018
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:51.640
up with that? I feel like
I just don't really know how the Marvel

1019
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:58.680
works together. No, I mean
Marvel took it to the like they took

1020
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:03.359
it as far as like a capitalist
movie machine could take it. But no,

1021
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:06.960
Stephen King was doing it with the
Have you read any Stephen King?

1022
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:12.319
Uh not? No. I got
halfway through it in fifth grade and my

1023
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.000
dad thought I shouldn't reate it,
so I'm read I'm rereading it right now.

1024
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:19.239
It's so fucking good. But yeah, fifth grade is young that you're

1025
01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:26.439
right, but you should read it
a lot of movies and seems very good.

1026
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.159
Like the shin so the Dark Tower
series, he kind of like started

1027
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:32.680
connecting everything in his work and you
could see it as being cheesy, but

1028
01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:36.479
I like it. I mean,
Tarantino sort of did that loosely with his

1029
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:42.760
movies, but I like it in
Remedy Connect unions. For so, technically

1030
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:45.920
the only games in the Remedy Connected
universe are Alan Wake one and two and

1031
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:50.119
Control. Is Is there any Quantum
Break anywhere? Or is that just kind

1032
01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:54.560
of forgotten? Oh so Quantum Break
and Max Paine one and two are all

1033
01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:58.680
over Allan Wake two, but they
don't actually explicitly say it because there is

1034
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.279
so much Alan Wig or souch m
Max payin, like clearly the whole Alex

1035
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.840
Casey Alex Casey is and you know, the voice actor playing Al Stacey is

1036
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:11.199
Max Payne. There's all the weirdness
with you know, rock Star taking over

1037
01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:15.159
for Max pain three. Oh yeah, it's incredible. Take two. I

1038
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:19.159
don't know how the whole thing works
out because also Remedy is remaking I think

1039
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:23.359
it's a poorly kept secret that they're
remaking Max Payne one and two, So

1040
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:27.399
I don't know how that will come
into it. The the kind of loose

1041
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:32.119
understanding was that, yes, Alan
himself had written Airport novels about this hard

1042
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:38.439
boiled detective who is now Alex Casey
played by Sam Lake the likeness of Sam

1043
01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:45.079
Lake and live acted but voice by
Still and Quantum Break, and I forget

1044
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.279
how this works because I think Microsoft
owns that it's on game Pass, right.

1045
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:55.560
That was that was an early effort
during when Microsoft like the Xbox is

1046
01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:59.439
going to be the all in one
entertainment machine, like Phil getting out of

1047
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.840
TV series and yeah, that makes
sense, like if you're gonna do that

1048
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.199
like remedied. Oh they do live
action stuff, like, yeah, they're

1049
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:09.520
very cinematic. It makes sense.
Technically not part of it, However,

1050
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:13.039
there are many easter eggs alluding to
it. The most obvious that's not even

1051
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:15.319
an easter egg is that Sean Ashmore, who played the main character in Quantum

1052
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:20.239
Break is the sheriff and Allen Wick
two who gets blinked over to Allen's side

1053
01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:28.039
and his last name is just Breaker. That's the same guy who played Ice

1054
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:30.920
Bobby Drake and the X Men movies. So like, they're not technically part

1055
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:35.079
of it, but yeah, Control
because Controls set up the idea of these

1056
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:43.399
altered world events like Red House of
Leaves or read that that website that Control

1057
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:49.039
was heavily inspired by the Federal Bureau
of Control is like the whole thing.

1058
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:53.920
You're at their headquarters in New York
City in Control and then they just start

1059
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:57.239
going ape shit with the connections.
So I can't wait for Control too now.

1060
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:01.119
Especially there's some cool implications laid in
Allen Wake two that's set up,

1061
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:05.880
not even just plot wise, but
again like the implications of the potential scope

1062
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:11.800
that Control two could be, which
again, the Control two definitely happening.

1063
01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:18.199
Yep, there yeahs to be seems
like such a They announced that they're earlier

1064
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:23.319
this year for the first time they
earth, they announced publicly that they were

1065
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:27.439
a they're now a multi project studio. So they were working on Allen Wake

1066
01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:30.239
two. They're finishing it. And
again they tried making Allen Wake two back

1067
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:32.920
in like twenty twelve or something,
And there are a lot of illusions in

1068
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:38.640
Alan Wake, this Alan Wake two, Like they talk about how Alan Wake

1069
01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:44.039
tried writing a new sequel back in
twenty twelve, oh and it failed.

1070
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:46.239
And then now there's this new thing
that he didn't know about. When he

1071
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:48.439
goes in the talk show, he's
like, wait, what is this?

1072
01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:51.600
It Like it's just kind of sam
like putting himself in a fun way or

1073
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:57.479
like you know, but yeah,
they're doing Control two. They're doing that.

1074
01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:02.960
They just announced two days ago they
had this free to play third person

1075
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:09.359
co op shooter in the Control universe. The art, the concept art they

1076
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:15.800
showed early on was like the people
you're fighting in Control, they're kind of

1077
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:19.680
like those nineteen sixties Cold War looking
soldiers. They had announced like a lot

1078
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:25.279
of free to play co op shooter
based around those people. They announce the

1079
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.800
other day that they're shifting it to
a premium priced co op game. Oh

1080
01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:32.439
okay, which could be fun these
days. Just mean sixties seventy dollars.

1081
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:34.119
I don't know if it'll be full
price, but it's not gonna be a

1082
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:39.239
free to play model. But yeah, Control too. And I think there's

1083
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:43.319
one other thing they haven't officially announced, and people are pretty fairly sure that's

1084
01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:46.319
the Max Pain one and two remakes. I feel like that's like, yeah,

1085
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:48.880
it's a I don't mean it might
it might even be public, but

1086
01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:51.880
it's it was a poorly kept secret
for a while, but might be public.

1087
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:56.840
Yeah, Which is all to say
though, Like again, when it

1088
01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:00.920
comes to Remedy, and this isn't
spoiling anything because every game they've made has

1089
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.720
been bigger in scope than the previous
one. The ending of Allen Wake two,

1090
01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:05.840
a lot of stuff that happens in
l Wack two again sets up these

1091
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:11.760
implications that, oh, Control two
could be like, if not like big

1092
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:15.079
literally, then like big in scale, as opposed to like Control all took

1093
01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:18.119
place essentially in the same building.
It didn't really it shifted and stuff.

1094
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:20.920
That was the cool thing about it. Allen Wack two is in this these

1095
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:29.079
confined New York nightmare scape and you
know, this small pack Northwest Town when

1096
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:33.439
it comes to remedy, I actually
get excited about those implications because thus far,

1097
01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:36.920
every time they get more money and
more style, they nail it.

1098
01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:41.239
Yeah, and it might not be
my favorite game ever, but they're trying

1099
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.960
new shit Allan Wack two Like,
yeah, the angel lamp stuff absolutely gets

1100
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:48.680
messy, the botboard stuff on Allen's
side gets messy. As much as I

1101
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:55.000
like the taxi driver neon New York
City vibes Valenside, I absolutely think Sagas

1102
01:18:55.239 --> 01:19:00.319
is way stronger. And that's the
danger of doing basically a game that is

1103
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:05.039
two games like that blur together because
one people are inevitably going to gravitate toward

1104
01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:11.000
one. But even more or more
so, they let you choose how long

1105
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:13.600
you want to play both basically up
to a certain point, which, again

1106
01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:17.079
a less bold developer would have been
like, no, you gotta do Saga,

1107
01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:18.840
and then you got to do Alan, then you gotta do Saga.

1108
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:24.439
That probably would have been a more
even experience. But I don't know,

1109
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:28.039
the fact that they let you choose
what you want to do is nuts.

1110
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:31.279
And then then there's the whole mind
place thing, which sometimes can feel like

1111
01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:34.760
a gimmick, but it never really
fun to me. Yeah, even if

1112
01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:38.640
it's like you know exactly where it's
gonna go or you've already like solved the

1113
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:40.760
puzzle, I kind of like I
can't for that. There, you know,

1114
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:43.840
that's fun. They do some cool
stuff with it late game, like

1115
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:48.239
toy with it. There's a lot
of good actors in that game, and

1116
01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:51.640
I think my favorite one, every
time he's on the screen, I think

1117
01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:55.439
he's just hamming it up, like
chewing up the scenery. So well is

1118
01:19:55.479 --> 01:20:00.640
a mister Door, Yes he is
so every fucking facial exp and he does,

1119
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:02.439
or when he's dancing or just doing
weird stuff, he is. He

1120
01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:08.159
so understands what this game and this
tone is. Oh and also the Costcala

1121
01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:12.960
brothers, they're they're fantastic Jaco and
Ilmo. Yeah, that's another weird thing

1122
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.720
about this game. I love is
just that it's set in the Pacific Northwest,

1123
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:18.600
but there's just finished stuff everywhere,
and I they don't explain it.

1124
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:21.399
It's like, yeah, that's the
world, deal with it. I love

1125
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:27.359
it. Yep. Yeah. And
the mister Door. If you have not

1126
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.199
played the game, you don't want
like the big thing that Dan and I've

1127
01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:31.399
been talking about spoiled And I won't
spoil it here, Mary, because don't

1128
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.560
think you got there. Thank you
when you finish the game. Go to

1129
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:39.079
Sam Lake's Twitter Dan, you could
do it after this today. I think

1130
01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:44.439
I saw this tweeted something today on
November sixteenth. A clip in that clip.

1131
01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:46.720
Watch that clip and you'll know exactly
what scene is. Watch mister Door's

1132
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:54.720
facial expressions compared to Sam Lake and
the guy playing Alan, and they're all

1133
01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:57.960
doing having fun in their own way
with the scene. But what just watched

1134
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.880
mister Dorspace compared to them, I'm
like, this is the best man ever

1135
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:04.960
made. Like I love this guy
so much. He is he is he

1136
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:09.640
is like the powers Booth in mcgruber, Like, oh, get this guy

1137
01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:13.279
to like understand this assignment so well, yeah, I knew how to play

1138
01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:16.560
that role perfectly perfect. Yeah yeah, god damn it, that's perfectly cat.

1139
01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:20.600
Yeah. But I mean, even
like even Saga Melanie is great,

1140
01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:27.399
Rose is great. Oh yeah,
is a fun weird character. Yeah yeah

1141
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:31.199
right. I so don't give a
shit about stories and games usually, but

1142
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:34.720
like I'm in love with this universe
and these characters, and oh man,

1143
01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:39.520
it feels good. I just I
love this game. Yep, yeah,

1144
01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:42.479
yeah, I mean I ramble about
every time it comes up. I fucking

1145
01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:47.079
just absolutely love it. Yeah,
Mary, if if you if you bounce

1146
01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:51.279
off it obviously like to use their
own. This game has some hurdles to

1147
01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:55.199
get through, absolutely, but if
you keep going, I'm very curious what

1148
01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:57.680
you think, because there is some
stuff later in this or not even later,

1149
01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:00.199
like mid game that I'm like merry
of all people, especially like your

1150
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.680
resid evil background. I think you
love a lot of the stuff they do

1151
01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:10.239
with like Saga side especially Yeah,
I'm prayed about it. They get very

1152
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:12.720
silent hill later in this game.
I think it seems like a kind of

1153
01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:15.399
game that would be really good to
play with another person. That way,

1154
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:18.640
when I get stuck, they can
be like, have you ever considered this

1155
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:24.600
is the solution so that I don't
feel so bad when it takes me forty

1156
01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:29.640
five minutes to get to the next
section. Yeah, I think that would

1157
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:34.520
help. But I don't disagree with
everything you're saying. It's obviously like a

1158
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:40.640
just a really well made universe in
game, and it has so much depth.

1159
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:45.039
It seems like really fun to explore. I think I'm intimidated by by

1160
01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:47.720
the game, to be honest with
you, Yeah, there's a lot going

1161
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:53.239
on, But speaking of just very
elaborate, there's so much that I'm not

1162
01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:55.680
a part of. A lot of
the things you guys were talking about are

1163
01:22:55.680 --> 01:23:00.359
based on previous games I didn't play. So it's like, yeah, I

1164
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.600
well, club, if you keep
going, I'm curious what you think spoiler

1165
01:23:04.600 --> 01:23:08.640
casts in this, I won't quit. I know Jake has played it.

1166
01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:13.039
I think Jake likes it quite a
bit. But speaking of games are doing

1167
01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:18.319
a lot, Mary, you've been
getting more into Wonder. I have played

1168
01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:21.359
Mario Wonder. I haven't played a
lot of it. I think I've played

1169
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:27.199
three to four hours of it.
I think it's really really fun and I

1170
01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:32.920
love the co op aspects of it. The ability to kind of just play

1171
01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:39.439
regardless of your skill is very ray
Man Legends of it. I feel like

1172
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:44.880
they've accepted elements of other co op
games in this, where they're like,

1173
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:47.479
hey, it's okay. If you
die, you become a little floaty ball

1174
01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:51.119
and all the other person has to
do is touch you for you to come

1175
01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:55.159
back to life, and it doesn't
cost you a life. Now if you

1176
01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:58.560
don't touch them in time, it
costs you a life. But lives are

1177
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:05.199
purchase sibol, so yeah, and
the and the currencies. There's like ten

1178
01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:11.760
currencies in this game, but the
currency for buying lives is plentiful, so

1179
01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:14.960
you can easily just get more.
So I don't worry about dying, and

1180
01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:18.840
I don't worry about dying more than
the other person that's playing. It's great

1181
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:27.560
if you have a big division in
the UH caliber of your gamers. If

1182
01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:29.479
you want to play this with a
cousin, you want to play this with

1183
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.399
the kid, you can do that
and they will be fine. They will

1184
01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:35.920
function. Are you playing Are you
talking mainly local or online? Because I'm

1185
01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:42.399
playing local Okay, I have not
played it Local coop at all, but

1186
01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:47.359
I've heard complaints about the like crown
system and stuff like that. Oh yeah,

1187
01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:53.399
locals great, it gets annoying the
whole. Yeah, So for those

1188
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:59.239
who don't know, Basically, if
you're playing local, the player who finishes

1189
01:24:59.279 --> 01:25:02.600
the course for first or hits the
flagpole first gets the crown for the next

1190
01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:05.720
level, unless the other person becomes
a ghost, then the crown transfers to

1191
01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:09.760
the other person. The camera centers
on the person with the crown the entire

1192
01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:13.359
time. You can get around it
certain ways, like Amanda and I basically

1193
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:16.600
take turns at the end of each
level doing the flagpole first, so then

1194
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:24.159
the crowd the other person I didn't
know that, try and destroy each other

1195
01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:28.560
and be the highest to get the
flag, you know, as gamers do,

1196
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:33.520
and the winner gets the camera because
you play competitive because it's like Micromachines

1197
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:38.720
N sixty four like or Smash Bros. Probably more apt comparison, like if

1198
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:40.880
the person with the crown gets too
far ahead of the person without it,

1199
01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:45.560
they'll go to a far off screen
and die. There are levels like the

1200
01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:48.800
Rhinos Stampede early on, where if
like say Amanda has the crown and she

1201
01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:54.159
jumped on the rhinos. She's trying
to hold up for me and wait for

1202
01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:57.600
me, because I was trying to
go get a purple coin. But it'll

1203
01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:00.680
the rhinos carry her too quickly and
then I'll be caught and I'll be a

1204
01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:04.520
ghost it. I don't know what
the work around would be. I know

1205
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:06.960
I think it was. Speaking of
the Rayman games, Mary, correct me

1206
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:10.760
if I'm wrong. I think they
just zoomed out really far. The players

1207
01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:15.039
were far apart. They were more
generous than this game. But what I'm

1208
01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:17.840
saying is, I think it's more
generous than I've ever seen a co op

1209
01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:24.520
Mario game. B too, for
sure. I just yeah, I Raymann

1210
01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:28.600
Legends is the king of You can
play with the total ding Dong child and

1211
01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:30.720
they'll be fine and they'll have a
good time because there's colors and music,

1212
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:35.319
but you can actually play the video
game. Is this is taking elements of

1213
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:40.359
Rayman. In my opinion, it's
a You're gonna notice like people who played

1214
01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:43.760
classic Mario will be like, oh
my gosh, this reminds me of the

1215
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.800
Mario I had growing up, and
it's difficult in elements like the Mario I

1216
01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:53.239
had growing up. But there's so
many leverages that they're giving so that if

1217
01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:57.479
you're playing with someone who doesn't know
how to game, can be there with

1218
01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:00.920
you. And that is cool and
something I've never seen a Mario game do

1219
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:04.720
before. I've never seen them be
so open to younger players that probably aren't

1220
01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:09.239
very good at games and allowing them
to have that experience with you. It

1221
01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:13.640
will require at least one good gamer, though, I promise you they flirted

1222
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:15.279
with us for a while, like
as far as the like, okay,

1223
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:18.479
what if you're playing with someone that's
not as good? And in the last

1224
01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:21.800
like five to ten years, they've
done a lot of the like, oh,

1225
01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:25.640
you died several times in a row? Do you want the super duper

1226
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:30.560
leap that gives you the pee wing
where you can fly forever and hurt because

1227
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.960
you're bad? Yeah? And it's
like one character could choose to do it

1228
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:35.159
and I got the super Tanuki suit
or whatever, you know, where I'm

1229
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:39.520
never getting hurt. But I kind
of like, how wonder does it where

1230
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:41.399
it's just like, okay, hey, do you just want to pick these

1231
01:27:41.399 --> 01:27:44.760
guys, you know, Yoshi and
Nabit where it's like you can't get hurt

1232
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:46.159
but you're also not going to get
the powers or whatever, like, yeah,

1233
01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:49.159
it's going to help you out do
that. So they just give you

1234
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:51.520
the option to Like, if you're
playing with the kid, just be a

1235
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:57.359
Yoshi. You're probably game super kid
friendly. It's it's literally I feel like

1236
01:27:57.399 --> 01:28:00.319
it was designed for you to play
with young UN's and but I can feel

1237
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:04.239
it. But also if you are
like a seasoned Mario player, you know,

1238
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:08.439
like me, there is plenty of
Like if you're playing solo, there's

1239
01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:11.359
enough like if you want one hundred
percent everything and get every Purple coin,

1240
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:13.880
you get every Wonder Seat and get
the flag pole, and then you do

1241
01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:16.479
the super duper you know kind of
star Road thing and the Final Challenge stuff

1242
01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:19.640
like there is a lot of good
platforming challenge. Like I don't think I

1243
01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:26.600
would be as into Mario nowadays as
I am if they just dumbed it down

1244
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:29.640
and just made it kid friendly and
that was the focus. Like, I

1245
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:33.520
think this game should be a template
for accessibility. It literally does not mean

1246
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:38.520
easy. It's a fucking hard game
when it has the five Flames, which

1247
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:42.840
I believe it's it's difficulty ratings.
Similarly to Oh Hot Sauce, ratings.

1248
01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:47.039
Five flames means it's spicy. It's
actually quite difficult. I've died like twenty

1249
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:54.399
times on a five spice and getting
through it makes me feel like I'm really

1250
01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:58.600
good at platforming. So the challenge
is there, but the accessibility for someone

1251
01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:00.800
who is not at the same level
as you to be able to enjoy that

1252
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:06.720
experience is beautiful and it never sullies
your experience. To get the most difficult,

1253
01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:12.520
challenging experience that you, as a
professional, super cool gamer deserve,

1254
01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:16.760
It's like it should be in textbooks
for accessibility. It doesn't hurt anyone.

1255
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:20.880
It's just making it accessible to people
who aren't as good. But your challenge

1256
01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:25.760
is uniquely yours and they give you
credit for it. I've always hated that

1257
01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:28.079
argument and where it's like I remember
the first time that was a big deal

1258
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:30.760
was like I think the first Bayonetta
and it had a mode where it's like

1259
01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:34.640
you can just jam the A button
and you'll just do cool combos. It'll

1260
01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:39.399
just make you do cool stuff,
and there is such a fervor and blogs

1261
01:29:39.439 --> 01:29:42.920
and think pieces and stuff about it, and it's like, if you are

1262
01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:45.840
someone who wants to play that and
learn the combos and everything, like I

1263
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:46.560
you know, I do. I
love that will make cry and all that.

1264
01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:50.640
I'll play on those difficulties and it's
the same fucking game. It does

1265
01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:55.279
not affect me in any way.
I don't give a shit how anyone else

1266
01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:57.760
plays it. Why the fuck would
I care if I'm just jammed a through

1267
01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.800
it or whatever, Like, I
don't care, Like I that's insane to

1268
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:01.680
me that people get pissed off by
that stuff. I don't know if they

1269
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.239
still do. But like, ooh, baby mode or whatever, Like,

1270
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:10.840
who gives a shit? Baby mode
is cool? Like leave it alone and

1271
01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:15.520
enjoy your own challenge, with your
own achievements and your own satisfaction. You

1272
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:18.880
know, nobody really ever climbs out
well, actually, I'm sure there's actually

1273
01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:21.680
a lot of people who climb out
Everest to be like I can and you

1274
01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:28.399
couldn't. But it's your challenge,
it's your journey. So like, if

1275
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:32.319
you're able to do this game on
the hardest difficulties with all the max settings,

1276
01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:36.720
that's awesome, Like you should really
revel in that. But for anyone

1277
01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:42.399
else that can't do that but wants
to experience the content, it's amazing that

1278
01:30:42.479 --> 01:30:46.079
this game allows you to experience every
level at the same degree without taking anything

1279
01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:50.479
from anyone. Well, does not
diminish anyone else's experience, Like you know,

1280
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:54.840
my solo played through one hundred percent
of it and did all those challenges

1281
01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:57.600
and stuff like, oh great,
somebody can not get hurt as Yoshi,

1282
01:30:57.680 --> 01:31:00.039
like does not affect me in any
way. Able to get up there is

1283
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:03.840
incredible. I do like the idea
that I invented a really evil Mount Everest

1284
01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:10.039
climber that is, like, only
elite climbers can do this, and if

1285
01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:16.800
you need help, you deserve to
die, like really evil guy. You

1286
01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:20.920
do die if you don't make it
to the top of mount. But the

1287
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:27.640
idea that if you have this mentality
that only the elite deserved to reach the

1288
01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.600
summit is silly because if you were
to like be like, well, we'll

1289
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:33.000
just like put you up there with
a helicopter and then you can see the

1290
01:31:33.079 --> 01:31:36.760
view and you can enjoy it.
That doesn't stop you from your achievement,

1291
01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:43.880
doesn't doesn't take anything from you.
It's just letting else someone else have the

1292
01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:46.560
experience. So I think, to
me, like the evil is the idea

1293
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:48.880
that like, if you don't do
it my way, if you don't suffer

1294
01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:54.479
and bleed and die for it.
You don't deserve it is an unnecessary but

1295
01:31:54.520 --> 01:32:00.840
also really missing the point because your
suffering shouldn't be anyone else. It should

1296
01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:03.880
be for you and your journey.
And if it if it brought you joy,

1297
01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:09.840
if it brought you growth, that's
literally for you. You shouldn't ask

1298
01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:12.920
that of anyone else. That's just
something that you chose to do with your

1299
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.680
time. I normally wouldn't evoke a
wrestling related story, but it really has

1300
01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:20.600
nothing to do with wrestling. That
Mary talking about the picturing the evil person

1301
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:24.439
who climb Man. I I was
thinking about vins Uman and there was a

1302
01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:28.760
real story where he was talking backstage
to a wrestler, Matt Hardy, and

1303
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:31.039
there was a character that was like
in a wheelchair at the time, and

1304
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:34.119
Vince was just casually saying like,
well, yeah, you know, Matt,

1305
01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:36.399
It's like, you know, every
human being, every strong human being,

1306
01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:40.479
has the same inclination, that same
natural desire. You see someone weak,

1307
01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:43.319
you see someone in a wheelchair,
and you have the desire to eat

1308
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:46.640
them. He said this to to
Matt Hardy, and Matt Hardy's like what

1309
01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:48.920
He's like, wait, you know
you see someone in a wheelchair, you

1310
01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:51.319
just want you want to eat them. They're weak, they're prey. You

1311
01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:57.199
know where the story where they alpas
where you know how all of us want

1312
01:32:59.479 --> 01:33:03.520
all this way. It's like,
what the are you talking about? Monster

1313
01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:13.079
of a person that's weird them.
It sounds like a real life demon.

1314
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:16.079
Yeah, yeah, he's very well
adjusted. He probably hates super Mario wonder.

1315
01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:19.000
No, No, he's fucking awesome
at it. And I have plued

1316
01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:25.439
some co op yeah every time and
comments that are like, really, it

1317
01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:30.199
shouldn't have like this co op bubble
mode if that if person gets bubbled,

1318
01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:33.039
you should just eat them. And
it's just like, what is your fucking

1319
01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:39.720
problem? Years ago, Vince McMahon, when asked why he wanted to eat

1320
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:48.199
people in wheelchairs, responded, because
they're there. It's the race to space

1321
01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:51.279
speech, he said, Like years
ago, George Mallory, the Great Betis

1322
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:56.399
explorer who was to die on Mount
Everest, was asked, why do you

1323
01:33:56.399 --> 01:33:59.760
want to climate and he said because
it is there, and space is there,

1324
01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:02.279
and where I going a climate?
I'm just imagining him talking about Vince

1325
01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:08.079
McMahon eating people in wheelchairs, like
we all want to awful it's an awful

1326
01:34:08.119 --> 01:34:15.720
distruction of an awful person who five
years Yes, do you? I think

1327
01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:17.279
about that a lot. Sometimes it
keeps me up at night. Someone's going

1328
01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:23.760
to clip something that I say on
this stupid podcast. It happens. Mary

1329
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:30.239
believes that this is true, believe
the Nixon thing or something. Yet I

1330
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:35.439
feel like there's years of stupid context
that led up to this stupid moment.

1331
01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:40.199
My dad will still text me if
anything Nixon related and like a thing he's

1332
01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:42.520
looking at or reading about, he
will text him like, oh, I

1333
01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:46.920
bet Mary is really big out of
this. Yes, I might be.

1334
01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:53.680
I feel like that discussion is is
old and tired and probably doesn't need to

1335
01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:59.479
be, like you're tired hung in
the fire escape arena. Oh no,

1336
01:34:59.079 --> 01:35:02.039
no, you can bring Nixon at
any time. I actually meant the discussion

1337
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:08.159
of like whether or not people can
who need help to like play games and

1338
01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:16.560
stuff like that, it's such a
reasonable ass that it almost doesn't deserve merit

1339
01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:21.359
to discuss. But I love,
honestly that we would compare it to someone

1340
01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:26.359
as evil as as what Dan is
talking about, because I think they are

1341
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:30.039
one and the same, which is
worrying so much about what I want to

1342
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:35.680
somebody else's experience and whether or not
it's as difficult as yours is really self

1343
01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:44.039
centered and missing the point, which
is that everybody, everybody's, everybody's life

1344
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:47.920
and path is their own, and
the idea that somebody else is not up

1345
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:54.359
to your standard, uh is actually
very weak in my opinion, because you're

1346
01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:58.800
constantly walking around trying to express that
you're very strong, which I think is

1347
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:04.880
quite telling. It's the most everybody
know that you are strong. It is

1348
01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:09.199
the guy that calls himself an alpha
and drives like a hummer and stuffs are

1349
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.239
still around, but it's just tight
energy coming off of that. And so

1350
01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:16.479
I would just say, like,
it's great that the game is very accessible

1351
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:20.680
and it's fun and you get to
be an elephant and throw your trunk around,

1352
01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:24.640
and so to just bring it back
to the video game, I think

1353
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:30.039
that it's a good game and I'm
enjoying it went far. We're having flastes

1354
01:36:30.079 --> 01:36:35.800
and co op. I get so
fucking excited every time I see a wonder

1355
01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:39.880
seed, no wonderflower, and I'm
like, what is this going to do

1356
01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:43.960
to the stage right now? And
we're always like every time we touch it

1357
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:45.479
or the other person touches, We're
like, what's going on? And then

1358
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:50.479
it's all inevitably just very fun and
like somewhere a musical or others are just

1359
01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:55.319
like a whole stampede of hippos or
thirty minutes of Mario just grind it on

1360
01:36:55.359 --> 01:36:59.600
a game cube. That happens.
Yeah, nice, Yeah, I got

1361
01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:02.960
to keep playing where we're playing that. Speaking of co op stuff, I've

1362
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:08.199
been playing, one of the most
fun things I've been doing is not a

1363
01:37:08.279 --> 01:37:10.680
video game. It is a board
game. Do you guys, are you

1364
01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:16.439
familiar with the idea of a legacy
board game. I bought Risk Legacy because

1365
01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:20.359
I heard great things about it,
but I have not played it. God,

1366
01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:24.840
you understand it's never played. But
yeah, it keeps going and it

1367
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:27.760
evolves and changes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For those who don't know,

1368
01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:30.600
it's pretty like Pandemic. Legacy is
probably the most well known one.

1369
01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:35.920
You you play, you play a
board game or a round as it were

1370
01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:41.279
at that point, depending on certain
criteria if they were met, or just

1371
01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:45.000
because you played one round, you
and that person will open up this new

1372
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:48.119
Like in Pandemic it's like a locked
box, or in Risk Legacy it's like

1373
01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:54.119
a nuclear code and it'll tell you
in your next game, you now have

1374
01:37:54.199 --> 01:37:57.359
to do this new rule, and
you sticker. You stick the rule into

1375
01:37:57.399 --> 01:37:59.600
the rule book, and you have
to follow that rule for the next twelve

1376
01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:02.920
It's us like a dozen games is
a whole campaign. The idea being that

1377
01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:06.720
in Risk Legacy and I Believe Pandemic, you were actually tearing up cards when

1378
01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:11.840
you retired them they stopped that.
I'm talking about it because a man and

1379
01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:15.600
I've been playing Ticket to Ride,
Legacy, Legends of the West. Amanda

1380
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:17.800
introduced me to Ticket to Ride.
I knew about it. It's a pretty

1381
01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:24.800
famous board game, an XBLA game
in like two thousand and nine or something.

1382
01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:29.039
I've never played it. That was
my introduction to it. Yeah,

1383
01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:35.079
we've been playing, or we played
a round of Legends of the West tonight

1384
01:38:35.159 --> 01:38:40.600
before before we recorded, and even
in one round, I'm already we're already

1385
01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:44.159
really hooked. Because her family played
a lot of Tickets to Ride when they

1386
01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:46.199
were all living together over the pandemic. So anytime I play with them,

1387
01:38:46.600 --> 01:38:50.079
they know like the meta of the
game really well. They know which cities

1388
01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:54.680
are always useful. They know like
the ports that always connect to other ports

1389
01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:58.199
for a lot of points. I
always have fun, but it's like it's

1390
01:38:58.239 --> 01:39:01.600
like coming in playing Mortal Kombat for
the first time ever against someone who has

1391
01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:04.920
played every single game, Like,
sure, all right, I might pull

1392
01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:08.640
off some beginners luck things, and
I did win my first time against a

1393
01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:12.680
Manda, but my record against her
is like two and twenty one. Here

1394
01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:16.119
though, and much like Risk Legacy, you're building out the map of America

1395
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:23.039
as you play over twelve games starting
in eighteen sixty five until eighteen ninety eight,

1396
01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:26.439
You're picking a railroad company. You're
building out the tracks, but you're

1397
01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:30.520
also getting new rules. There's like
bankers coming into it. There's a murder

1398
01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:32.760
mystery involved that you don't know half
of it. I'm not going to spoil

1399
01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:35.359
it for anybody who wants to try
it out, because it's really fucking fun.

1400
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:42.159
You're there are these like props in
the game box I didn't even know

1401
01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:44.479
about, and then at the end
of the round they're like, okay,

1402
01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:46.439
now open the conductor's thing, and
we open it and there's like a new

1403
01:39:47.479 --> 01:39:51.520
prop that introduced this new wrinkle to
the game that I was like, oh

1404
01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:56.920
fuck, that completely changes like how
I'm thinking about tickets, which if you

1405
01:39:56.920 --> 01:39:59.479
played tickets to Ride. You know, tickets are how you honestly like the

1406
01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:05.119
meta. You get a lot of
points by getting tickets. So yeah,

1407
01:40:03.680 --> 01:40:10.119
brilliant. Legends of the West is
so basically the person who invented the idea

1408
01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:15.039
of legacy board games with risk legacy, the creator of tickets to Ride,

1409
01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:18.359
Alan Armoon, and the guy who
did Pandemic. They all teamed up to

1410
01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:24.520
design this, along with obviously a
huge team that worked on it. Really

1411
01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:29.439
good looking art soup, like really
intelligent, compelling rules that add wrinkles every

1412
01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:32.239
game, or I'd say that having
played one round, but like I already

1413
01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:39.279
it's good enough where I'm already seeing
I completed a few basic roots from like

1414
01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:43.079
Boston to New York and New York
to Philadelphia, really easy roots. They

1415
01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:45.800
didn't get me many points in that
first round, which Amanda one, and

1416
01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:50.560
we slipped the bank slip into our
company's vault basically so we can keep track

1417
01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:55.159
of how much money we got each
round, and that'll contribute now next time,

1418
01:40:55.159 --> 01:41:02.520
I'm going first. But also I
basically because we retired some tickets and

1419
01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:05.439
you're retiring, they're not asking you
to tear up the cards like they did

1420
01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:09.880
in risk legacy. I think they
realized people did not like doing that to

1421
01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:14.359
property they owned. I kind of
liked the impermanence like perma death of it.

1422
01:41:14.720 --> 01:41:16.920
But now you just retire them in
a section, so you could potentially

1423
01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:21.439
restart I think, even though you'd
have to buy new parts. Anyway.

1424
01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:26.279
I got these cards that I read
out loud. One side, then the

1425
01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:29.359
other side was secret, just for
me that I have this information for the

1426
01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:33.439
next game. That because sort of
because of but also like in spite of

1427
01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:36.520
the fact that Amanda one, I
now have information that can help me next

1428
01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:42.359
round that she doesn't really know about
and by the time she listens to every

1429
01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:45.720
episode of Firescape, so I'm not
trying to give her an advantage. But

1430
01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:48.960
basically, by next round, I
know to pay attention to shares that the

1431
01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:51.960
bankers are going to be offering me
that she might not know what they're for,

1432
01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:56.479
but because I have the information,
It's just it's so fun, like

1433
01:41:56.520 --> 01:42:00.359
how it shakes up the formula from
one round to another based on like the

1434
01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:03.479
idea that if humanity were if like
our neighborhood just wiped off the earth,

1435
01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:08.920
someone could find our box and see
kind of see the story of our campaign

1436
01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:12.239
just by looking at it is really
compelling in its own right. But so

1437
01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:16.039
far it's very fun. And last
thing, this is not a spoiler because

1438
01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:21.199
when you open the box you'll see
it. There are several decks of cards

1439
01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:25.199
that we have not opened yet that
we only open once we've It's like it's

1440
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:27.680
set up like a jigsaw puzzle,
so we only have like the East coast

1441
01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:30.319
right now. It goes from like
New Orleans in the southwest to Savannah in

1442
01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:34.840
the southeast, bangor Maine in the
northeast. And then I want to say,

1443
01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:40.880
I don't evenink we're into the Midwest
yet. I think the next thing,

1444
01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:44.239
we're adding the Great Plains and then
you open the deck for that region

1445
01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:47.560
once you add it to the jigsaw
puzzle of the map. And then we

1446
01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:51.840
looked at later cards and there are
some fantasy supernatural elements to this part of

1447
01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:56.479
it. You're solving a murder mystery
the whole campaign. There are decks.

1448
01:42:56.600 --> 01:43:02.319
It's not just like Midwest, Great
Plains in a Southwest, etc. Pacific

1449
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:08.319
Northwest. It's haunted wastes. So
I'm like, what the Fuck's this is

1450
01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:11.960
gonna get weird? And it's like
I'm already excited to play more of it.

1451
01:43:11.960 --> 01:43:16.159
It's liking it a lot so far. If you like Pandemic Legacy,

1452
01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:21.960
or you played Risk Legacy or couldn't
get through more, I think the train

1453
01:43:23.279 --> 01:43:28.600
aspect and the American expansion might be
more accessible to people that aren't into the

1454
01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:33.159
war gaming aspect of Risk. It's
really fun. It came out very recently,

1455
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:36.720
but I encourage people to try it
out. I think if you're coming

1456
01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:40.399
from video games into the tabletop space, I think it makes a lot of

1457
01:43:40.439 --> 01:43:45.359
sense because Balder's Gate, Threes of
the World and Roguelikes of the World,

1458
01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:49.600
I think instill this idea of a
continued campaign out even once you finish the

1459
01:43:49.640 --> 01:43:53.520
game, this replayability, that kind
of you can stamp your identity on a

1460
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:59.279
thing. It's very fun. I'm
enjoying the hell out of it. Nice.

1461
01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:02.279
Yeah, I think a game,
a board game that is good for

1462
01:44:02.319 --> 01:44:05.800
two players is definitely like that.
They don't all fit that bill. And

1463
01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:09.880
whenever I find one like you know, Wingspan Bonk and I have played in

1464
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:12.640
a decent amount like it's it's great
to find a new one of those.

1465
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:15.159
So that sounds pretty good. Yeah, yeah, try this out. I

1466
01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:19.399
highly recommend it. It's it's great, it's very fun. I can't say

1467
01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:23.039
enough good things about it. And
I'm only in the first of twelve rounds.

1468
01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:27.600
Technically, I think we're gonna play
and you can add in other players

1469
01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:30.039
to it, even though they want
to been there, Like my brother in

1470
01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:33.800
law and his wife will be here
for Thanksgiving next week or this week if

1471
01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:38.800
you're listening at the episode now,
and technically they won't have been there for

1472
01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:42.439
the first five rounds of the campaign. But there are ways the game tells

1473
01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:45.279
you, like if you want to
add people or like say you can't make

1474
01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:49.720
every round, just record the bank
slip in that person's company vault. At

1475
01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:53.720
the end of the campaign, there
will be We're not going to tell you

1476
01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:58.159
how right now, their absences will
calculate toward a final score. I'm like,

1477
01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:00.880
I have no fucking clue how they're
going to balance that, But it's

1478
01:45:00.880 --> 01:45:04.439
cool to know that they are doing
something behind the scenes. So curious.

1479
01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:09.079
Yeah, nice, but yeah,
it's very fun. I think people check

1480
01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:16.319
it out. Dan, what have
you playing anything besides Allen Wake I kept

1481
01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:20.560
going with David Diver and I continue
thinking it's like, as far as the

1482
01:45:20.600 --> 01:45:24.800
game that is best to play on
a plane or if you just need to

1483
01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:27.720
wind down at night and put something
on in the background that you're not paying

1484
01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:30.680
attention to, Like it's a I
don't mean to downplay it, Like it's

1485
01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:33.359
an incredible game on its own,
right, even if you're given full attention,

1486
01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:38.399
but it's like unrivaled in terms of
like I just want something to do

1487
01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:42.000
on this flight. Yeah, it's
so and a good cycle, right,

1488
01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:44.560
like a good Oh my god,
the Loop is amazing. Yes, it's

1489
01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:46.840
fantastic, and it gives you the
big things where it's like, oh,

1490
01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:49.319
this big event is going to happen
in four days, make sure you get

1491
01:45:49.319 --> 01:45:53.239
a bunch of tuna or whatever.
Like I love it. I love it.

1492
01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:55.520
There's like an actual story, like
more of a story than you would

1493
01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:58.720
expect in this game. And it's
kind of a hook, right, like

1494
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:01.840
the idea of someone sick and they
need you to make them a soup.

1495
01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:06.119
Now the guy at the sushi store
can make the soup, but you want

1496
01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:15.359
to get the ingredients right now all
of them are dried into a child who

1497
01:46:15.439 --> 01:46:19.359
makes you guns. Yeah, yeah, that guy. That's Something's so much

1498
01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:23.359
personality in that game too, even
just like okay, I'm gonna use my

1499
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:26.560
artisanal flame to unlock a new thing, and just saying, you know,

1500
01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.239
Bancho do his thing. Yeah,
it's it's great, and uh, I

1501
01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:32.319
guess that kind of rolls into uh
talking about playing games on a plane.

1502
01:46:32.640 --> 01:46:38.319
Steam Deck oled I covered it to
death on Giant Bomb since I went to

1503
01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:44.000
Valve. I went to Balve right
after we recorded the last episode and checked

1504
01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:46.199
it out. I sat in an
orb of Steam Decks and went home with

1505
01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:49.359
one, Oh, it's killing me
because like it was pre released and they

1506
01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:51.319
haven't even announced it yet, so
I had to. You know, the

1507
01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:55.039
thing was like, hey, don't
play this in public. We don't want

1508
01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:57.239
a thing where like pictures go out
or whatever. So it's like, I'm

1509
01:46:57.239 --> 01:47:00.520
on this flight going home. This
is a very Game's me be a problem

1510
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:02.880
to have. I got to play
my old steam Deck on the flight home

1511
01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:08.479
instead of my new one. Like
his parent's getting puked on by their kid.

1512
01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:10.680
Who yeah, and I'm like,
well, this could be a little

1513
01:47:10.680 --> 01:47:15.319
brighter and lighter, My case could
be smaller. Yeah, Like I have

1514
01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:18.760
a much smaller case, which honestly, that is one of the bigger benefits.

1515
01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:24.800
Anymore, I would have lived in
the ORB. Yeah, wait,

1516
01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:27.520
hold on, explain that. Just
it's very funny that we talked about the

1517
01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:30.279
sphere or I guess the sphere.
Everybody was talking about the Sphere two weeks

1518
01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:32.520
ago or whatever, a month ago, whenever it was new. And then

1519
01:47:33.039 --> 01:47:39.520
Valve, of all companies, which
Valve pr wise, is really quiet the

1520
01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:45.119
last well, it's like inside baseball
stuff, yes, but publicly speaking,

1521
01:47:45.159 --> 01:47:47.399
it's it's just they don't strike me
as a company that would do an installation

1522
01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:51.279
like that to the the ORB.
Yeah. No, Honestly, I talked

1523
01:47:51.279 --> 01:47:54.479
to the guy who made it while
I was there, and it was very

1524
01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:56.960
much just like a fun passion project
thing where it's like, oh, what

1525
01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:00.600
if we did this tease where it's
like we did this video and the entire

1526
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:03.640
commercial was lit only by steam decks, and that turned into like I could

1527
01:48:03.640 --> 01:48:08.279
build this weird fucking rig and just
you know, like it just seemed like

1528
01:48:08.359 --> 01:48:11.279
they had fun making it and talking
to him about it, like they knew

1529
01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:14.199
how silly and weird and fun it
was. So Yeah, it was a

1530
01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:15.680
great trip. It was awesome.
I was in and out in like twenty

1531
01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:19.279
four hours. But yeah, I've
been there a bunch. I've always enjoyed.

1532
01:48:19.319 --> 01:48:21.920
Like you said, the valve is
kind of a black box in a

1533
01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:26.520
way where you know they will let
you know when they're ready to talk about

1534
01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:29.279
something. And when they offered it, I was like, yeah, I

1535
01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:30.680
got to go out there. This
doesn't happen all the time, and sure

1536
01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:34.640
enough it was. It's not the
steam deck too. It's very much like

1537
01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:38.239
looking at it from across the room, it would look like the same thing,

1538
01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:41.840
but all the little additions. You
know, it's lighter, it doesn't

1539
01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:44.840
run as hot. The battery life
is a big thing. I don't think

1540
01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:47.880
that's a little addition the case for
me as much as I travel and stuff

1541
01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:51.880
like, having the thinner case is
important. The battery is huge, but

1542
01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:57.119
the screen itself is fantastic. I
think it's definitely a much bigger upgrade than

1543
01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:00.880
like the switch to the Switch show
led. So yeah, I love it,

1544
01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:03.800
and honestly it's such a cool,
fun device, like I instantly went

1545
01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:08.680
to town. Fine, if you
already have one, I get it,

1546
01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:11.279
I get it, I get it. And if you're not a huge like

1547
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:15.680
display nerd, I get it.
Good an initial you know, how much

1548
01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:18.600
more is this the base? The
base base memory? Is it six forty

1549
01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:21.720
nine. Well it's one is it? Five? Twelve and one? Terabyted.

1550
01:49:21.720 --> 01:49:27.159
I don't have the press skit up, but yeah, if you don't

1551
01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:29.640
have one, Yeah, I'm not
going to buy the new one anytime soon,

1552
01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:30.560
but if you don't have one,
it would tempt me more, for

1553
01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:33.760
sure. They're they're great. I
love it and I yeah, setting up

1554
01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:35.840
all the emulators and all the ship
you can do in Linux on that,

1555
01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:38.920
like, it's just it's just so
much fun. Like even if I like

1556
01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:42.199
didn't use a ton of emulator stuff
on the old one because I tend to

1557
01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:45.880
use my stuff like mister and all
that, it's just fun to set up.

1558
01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:47.600
It's a fun device to just kind
of tinker with if you're into that

1559
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:50.720
kind of thing. And I very
much am. So it's a it's been

1560
01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:55.279
a delight. I love it.
So yeah. Is there any game in

1561
01:49:55.319 --> 01:50:00.439
particular that has stood out for on
the OLED screen? Eighties? Oh right,

1562
01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:04.960
eighties really pops on that screen that
is so fucking vibrant and saturated in

1563
01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:09.079
a great way. Yes, And
that is a you do a side by

1564
01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:14.279
side on that and it is very
very noticeable. Played I replayed like twenty

1565
01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:16.359
hours been on PS five like two
months ago, and even on just PS

1566
01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:18.680
five, I'm like, God,
I forgot how good looking this game is.

1567
01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:23.399
It's fantastic and also it's pretty elegant. The way you can just like

1568
01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:27.800
take the SD card out of your
previous Steam deck put it in a new

1569
01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:30.159
one. You do. There's not
a single prompt, there's not a single

1570
01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:31.640
like, hey, do you want
to import? Do you want to do

1571
01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:34.680
it? Like? It just works. Everything just worked. So it's been

1572
01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:39.760
a smooth, smooth operation so far. I'm big on it. So yeah,

1573
01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:43.760
that's been a good one. I
speaking hardware, Sony also sent me

1574
01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:48.359
the new PS five, the Slim
one without the disc distray. No,

1575
01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:53.880
it's got it. It's got the
distray that has a removal. When they

1576
01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:59.439
were first selling the was it the
base PS five you can get the version

1577
01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:01.960
with or without it, right the
base you could choose, and then I

1578
01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:05.079
think they're doing something with the Slim
where it's like you can get a removable

1579
01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:08.880
one or something like that. The
one I got just has it just a

1580
01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:12.680
smaller in general, like every PlayStation
has done before. It's yeah, but

1581
01:51:12.760 --> 01:51:16.520
I mean I I shot it.
I just I they that is their their

1582
01:51:16.760 --> 01:51:21.039
mo is to release the slim version
of the console like a couple of years

1583
01:51:21.039 --> 01:51:24.520
after. Yeah, but it's kind
of funny, like I shot, you

1584
01:51:24.560 --> 01:51:27.000
know, we're doing more like TikTok
stuff on John Bom and I shot a

1585
01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:30.520
shot one comparing it to like the
PS three and the PS three slim and

1586
01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:32.520
the PS two and the PS two
Slim, and I didn't realize it was

1587
01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:34.560
going to look this way, but
I set them all up on my table

1588
01:51:34.840 --> 01:51:40.399
and it looks like that fucking meme
of the tiny domino and all the big

1589
01:51:40.399 --> 01:51:44.600
ones falling. It was like,
the PS two slim is the most slim

1590
01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:47.319
redesign. It's so fucking good.
And then okay, chunk here PS two

1591
01:51:47.359 --> 01:51:49.760
and then it's like, okay base
PS three is a lot bigger than that,

1592
01:51:50.039 --> 01:51:54.560
and then the slim is like it
was just they kept moving up and

1593
01:51:54.840 --> 01:52:00.960
this one was not that not that
much smaller. It's what do they say,

1594
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:03.239
like thirty percent or something like that. They have a big number.

1595
01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:06.920
It doesn't feel that much smaller.
Honestly for me. The biggest thing is

1596
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:12.640
like I hate the base on the
on the core floating like shock that.

1597
01:52:12.640 --> 01:52:15.680
It's yeah, that rotates weirdly,
and you got to put those little like

1598
01:52:15.720 --> 01:52:17.560
feet into the thing and you to
look at like where the symbols are on

1599
01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:20.920
the lip and put them in there. Like it's just it's felt very flimsy.

1600
01:52:21.399 --> 01:52:25.680
This one. There's like two little
feet that you just fucking shove into

1601
01:52:25.720 --> 01:52:28.720
some holes and it just sits there
horizontally with no like. I got the

1602
01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:30.840
vertical stand too, and that's that's
actually pretty solid, but I like horizontal.

1603
01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:34.159
It just feels much more solid out
of the box. And to me,

1604
01:52:34.279 --> 01:52:38.920
that's the biggest upgrade. It's not
that much smaller. It's still like

1605
01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:42.680
the last thing, the last console
I would ever want to pack. You

1606
01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:45.039
know, it's still got the foldy
out flappy guys. You know, it's

1607
01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:50.039
going to be awkward in a suitcase. It's the biggest, most awkward console

1608
01:52:50.119 --> 01:52:54.640
I have, And that includes the
Series X, which is probably bigger and

1609
01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:57.840
heavier, but it's a box.
It just kind of fits easier, you

1610
01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:01.720
know. Yeah, So it's it's
cool. I'm glad I replaced the you

1611
01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:04.840
know, my my base PS five. It's better, but it's not like

1612
01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:08.960
a head and shoulders like like for
instance, the steam Deck Old is a

1613
01:53:09.079 --> 01:53:14.720
much bigger upgrade than the five.
Slim Slim is just better looking, though,

1614
01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:18.680
yeah, always better looking. No
no, no, no, no

1615
01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:20.640
no, no, this though,
well, yes, I agree, but

1616
01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:25.039
this is like the p S five
is ugly as balls. The p S

1617
01:53:25.079 --> 01:53:30.319
five is ugly historically bad console.
Yeah, the PS five slim is like,

1618
01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:34.640
it's honestly like almost as stark a
difference between the series S and X

1619
01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:39.640
and the sense that it's like an
entirely different design. It's rectangular. Now

1620
01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:45.760
it looks is rectangular, I mean
kind of flares out, you know,

1621
01:53:45.880 --> 01:53:49.319
PS five flares the what if I
which one am I looking at? Hold

1622
01:53:49.359 --> 01:53:53.800
on, maybe I'm looking at like
an early fan art. What do you

1623
01:53:53.840 --> 01:54:00.159
look? Yeah, this is not
a rectangle. I'm gon grab it you

1624
01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:01.079
no, no, no, no
no, I was looking at some fan

1625
01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:03.479
art. Okay, I was going
to say, it's not a rectangle.

1626
01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:09.960
You ever designed that fan art?
Should DESIGNS five's okay? Yeah, this

1627
01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:12.800
doesn't look that much different. So
it looks like a PS five. It

1628
01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:15.720
doesn't look honestly, if I just
showed me a jpeck of that'd be like,

1629
01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:18.439
No, the launch PS five it's
got this weird like black stripe down

1630
01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:21.199
the middle, and I keep thinking
I have like an HTI cable dangling over

1631
01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:27.359
the front. But it's just the
black stripe. Cool. Yeah, it's

1632
01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:31.960
fine, it's fine, it's better, it's better. I'll say that I

1633
01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:36.359
got the PS five really truly might
be the ugliest console ever made. I

1634
01:54:36.359 --> 01:54:42.000
mean as far as the big ones, like the big consoles. Yeah,

1635
01:54:42.039 --> 01:54:45.600
I'm trying to think what's uglier.
If we're talking to PlayStation Sega, Nintendo,

1636
01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:54.399
Microsoft, MM, I mean,
shit, I love the GameCube design.

1637
01:54:54.920 --> 01:55:00.239
Some people think it's sup orly shit. PS five might be out out

1638
01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:03.560
of those. If we're saying Sony, Sega, Nintendo, and Microsoft.

1639
01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:08.920
I almost have like a weird nostalgia
for that giant chunky original Xbox. Oh

1640
01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:11.680
me too, I don't have.
Well, obviously I don't have an instolgia

1641
01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:15.520
for the PS five. But the
PS five, though, like the Xbox,

1642
01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:16.319
it's like, oh, we're making
a video game console. The PS

1643
01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:19.239
five, I don't know what they
were. Their concept was like space age

1644
01:55:19.439 --> 01:55:23.399
looking stuff. I think it was
just supposed to be like the future.

1645
01:55:23.720 --> 01:55:26.960
I feel like they were like,
let's make it look like a console from

1646
01:55:27.520 --> 01:55:30.600
twenty to thirty. Yeah, but
they just did a terrible job, Like

1647
01:55:30.640 --> 01:55:33.680
on the execution, you don't really
like the PS three. The launch PS

1648
01:55:33.720 --> 01:55:39.119
three is so heavy and weird and
I don't love it. But the fucking

1649
01:55:39.319 --> 01:55:42.920
series S I fucking think is really
good looking. Oh with that like in

1650
01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:45.760
the circular like vent thing up top
the seventies record player almost Yeah, yeah,

1651
01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:49.600
yeah, white, I love it
anyway. Yeah, we they have

1652
01:55:49.720 --> 01:55:55.920
the you said you have the Pulse
earbuds on the way as well. Yeah,

1653
01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:59.720
I got the portal and they're sending
me the portal in the Pulse earbuds.

1654
01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:01.800
Yeah, so I'll check those out. Are the Is the allure of

1655
01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:06.760
the earbuds just that they can connect
wirelessly to the controllers with no idea.

1656
01:56:06.920 --> 01:56:10.439
I'll find out. I'll test it
out when I get it, But I

1657
01:56:10.159 --> 01:56:13.479
I don't know anything about them yet, gotcha, Because the dual Sense right

1658
01:56:13.479 --> 01:56:20.359
now doesn't have like, uh air
pod air pod air pod, it doesn't

1659
01:56:20.399 --> 01:56:25.159
have capability for those or like Bluetooth. Oh okay, So I think the

1660
01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:30.840
appeal would be that you can actually
hook up the voice chat without like a

1661
01:56:31.279 --> 01:56:38.199
through Bluetooth or USB whatever without Yeah, you can. You can use Discord

1662
01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:40.760
on your phone. So they're a
bit redundant, But I don't know the

1663
01:56:40.760 --> 01:56:44.119
full specs but I feel like everyone
just says discord, like I can't remember

1664
01:56:44.159 --> 01:56:47.199
the last time I used console level
party chat for it. And I also

1665
01:56:47.239 --> 01:56:51.760
don't just play multiplayer games period,
so yeah, yeah, I don't discord.

1666
01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:56.199
I use discord like with Jake for
Balder's Gate, or like Endless Dungeon

1667
01:56:56.239 --> 01:57:01.880
with my friend recently after she's discord
it's easier, Mary, What else have

1668
01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:08.840
you been playing? I have been
playing. Uh, okay, So I

1669
01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:14.119
one hundred percented Pickman. Yeah that
post game stuff is great, right,

1670
01:57:14.479 --> 01:57:17.319
Yeah, I hit I rolled credits
this week. I told you guys earlier,

1671
01:57:17.359 --> 01:57:24.000
but I got sick. So when
I had to stay home Sunday because

1672
01:57:24.039 --> 01:57:27.800
I did not feel good, I
was like, I'll play Pickman. And

1673
01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:32.239
within an hour I rolled credits and
I genuinely was like, oh, that's

1674
01:57:32.239 --> 01:57:36.079
a bummer. I felt like I
would have played another world, I would

1675
01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:40.520
have enjoyed playing it a little bit
more. That's a shame. And I

1676
01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:43.319
one hundred percented it the whole way, if that makes sense. Like I

1677
01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:45.680
was one hundred percenting it each level
as I went. So yeah, when

1678
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:48.359
I rolled credits, I was at
one hundred percent and I figured I had

1679
01:57:48.359 --> 01:57:51.840
finished the game. And then my
dog got sick, and you have never

1680
01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:56.119
seen a girl so happy for her
dog to get sick. Ever, I

1681
01:57:56.159 --> 01:57:59.279
was like, let's go back.
I have to fix him, and I

1682
01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:02.760
got to play a whole new area. It was great. The post half

1683
01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:08.399
the game is after that, it's
it's way fatter and there's like a really

1684
01:58:08.479 --> 01:58:12.319
lush world and because you have to
change pickman so much towards the end,

1685
01:58:12.640 --> 01:58:15.680
because the whole concept is like,
have you really learned how you're supposed to

1686
01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:17.079
use all these pickmen, because like
in this area you really need to use

1687
01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:20.159
the fly guys, and in this
one you got to use ice boys.

1688
01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:25.880
And it's really fun picking and choosing
the right pickman for a particular thing.

1689
01:58:26.239 --> 01:58:30.279
There was a couple of Dandhari levels
where I had to do them twenty times

1690
01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:34.640
to get to get the level that
I needed. It was crazy how much

1691
01:58:34.640 --> 01:58:38.359
it pushed me to one hundred percent, And I'm very proud of you.

1692
01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:41.600
Get seven minutes and you've got all
this shit you got to bring back.

1693
01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:45.239
Yeah, those were super fun.
It was crazy. Those are those the

1694
01:58:45.239 --> 01:58:47.479
worst ones of those You're like,
fuck, I really should have just opened

1695
01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:50.640
that shortcut right away, so then
get back to the pot or yeah,

1696
01:58:50.720 --> 01:58:55.279
or why don't I have the flying
guys carrying this pool ball back? Why

1697
01:58:55.319 --> 01:58:59.239
do I have these like six yellow
pickmen working on that pile of materials right

1698
01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:00.920
now? That's right, there's like
eight bosses right there. I have a

1699
01:59:00.960 --> 01:59:04.520
dog, he'll dig that right up. You have all these second guesses,

1700
01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:10.840
and you really push yourself when you're
trying to get the one hundred percent right.

1701
01:59:10.880 --> 01:59:14.079
It's one thing to get through it. It's another to be like two

1702
01:59:14.159 --> 01:59:17.359
min max getting all of these items. I have to be perfect. I

1703
01:59:17.399 --> 01:59:23.079
can't have any pickman wasting time.
Ever. Yes, and you used to

1704
01:59:23.079 --> 01:59:27.319
be very thoughtful about where you're putting
everything. I really felt like it challenged

1705
01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:30.520
me. And in a moment where
on a day where I was actually quite

1706
01:59:30.840 --> 01:59:33.159
not great. You know, I
was sick and the day I was getting

1707
01:59:33.159 --> 01:59:36.079
my groceries delivered and so like I
was, I was like, I can't

1708
01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:42.199
even leave my house. I'm miserable. Bring me avocados. Bring me an

1709
01:59:42.199 --> 01:59:45.720
avocado, and I don't know if
it'll be ripe or not. Three days

1710
01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:51.119
from now it must be ripe.
I felt like all of my happiness was

1711
01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:56.640
poured into pickmen and hoping that I
could like finish this game, and when

1712
01:59:56.680 --> 02:00:01.000
I really did finish finish it,
I felt a large amount of accomplishment and

1713
02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:05.039
appreciation and respect for that game.
I've never played a Pickman before. As

1714
02:00:05.079 --> 02:00:10.359
my first Pickman, this is the
first time I really felt like I connected

1715
02:00:10.399 --> 02:00:13.000
to a game and one hundred percent. You know that I never one hundred

1716
02:00:13.039 --> 02:00:15.760
percent games. I never I'm not
a completionist. That's really not my thing.

1717
02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:18.800
I play games until I'm satisfied,
I move the fuck on. This

1718
02:00:18.920 --> 02:00:21.520
was like the first game where I
was like, I have the time,

1719
02:00:23.199 --> 02:00:26.800
I'm not going anywhere. I feel
like, shit, let's do it again

1720
02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:30.600
and get gold bitch. And I
really pushed myself and I felt a huge

1721
02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:32.399
pride of it. It's probably what
people feel like when they when they want

1722
02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:36.880
a Platinum games. This is probably
like high platinum game crazy people get,

1723
02:00:36.920 --> 02:00:42.840
and I got it with Pickman.
So I'm very I'm really into that game.

1724
02:00:42.880 --> 02:00:44.920
I feel very strongly bad. I
don't think it's for everyone. I

1725
02:00:44.920 --> 02:00:46.119
don't think I could sell it to
anyone, but I think I could say

1726
02:00:46.840 --> 02:00:51.600
what a casual but insane growth trajectory
that game has. It's for everyone,

1727
02:00:51.880 --> 02:00:56.680
like in the sense of that it's
casual enough that anyone can probably like pick

1728
02:00:56.760 --> 02:01:01.000
it up and get through it.
But the scale where you have to be

1729
02:01:01.119 --> 02:01:06.319
so insanely good to get to that
degree. I felt incredible when I was

1730
02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:12.079
able to get completion on some of
those pieces is awesome. It's really really

1731
02:01:12.119 --> 02:01:15.439
fun. There is something about four, I think, where it's like I've

1732
02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:17.680
played them all, I've liked them
all a lot. Four is definitely my

1733
02:01:17.720 --> 02:01:21.479
favorite. But hearing you Mike,
my sister Kayla, you know, people

1734
02:01:21.520 --> 02:01:27.800
that have never played Pickman before and
gave this a shot, and everyone like

1735
02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:30.840
seems to universally love it, and
it's the fastest selling or most selling in

1736
02:01:30.880 --> 02:01:34.279
the entire Pickman series. Like,
there is something about four that is striking

1737
02:01:34.279 --> 02:01:38.239
a court of people. And maybe
it's just the most polished, like best

1738
02:01:38.319 --> 02:01:41.600
version of Pickman, but it just
like makes my soul feel good to see

1739
02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:44.159
so many people will be like,
oh wow, I tried it out and

1740
02:01:44.199 --> 02:01:47.960
I love it, Like it is
such a joyable series and the stuff.

1741
02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:50.560
You know, so basically, Mary, you did this stuff with all of

1742
02:01:50.600 --> 02:01:55.439
our afterwards, right, we're spoiling
this. Pickman came out six months ago.

1743
02:01:55.520 --> 02:01:58.039
You know, you did the all
of our stuff where you have a

1744
02:01:58.039 --> 02:02:01.479
set amount of days. Yeah.
Yeah, like that. That's like an

1745
02:02:01.479 --> 02:02:04.720
old style like Pickman thing where it's
like Pickman two, you, hey,

1746
02:02:04.760 --> 02:02:08.520
you have to get all this shit. So there is this timer like running

1747
02:02:08.520 --> 02:02:11.520
in the background the whole time,
and it's a little more stressful. And

1748
02:02:11.560 --> 02:02:15.079
we were talking earlier about Mario Wonder
and like how it is accessible, Like,

1749
02:02:15.119 --> 02:02:15.680
hey, if you just want to
see credits or you just want to

1750
02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:17.920
beat it, you can play it
in this way and do that. But

1751
02:02:17.960 --> 02:02:21.000
if you also want to go nuts
on it and do the harder stuff and

1752
02:02:21.000 --> 02:02:25.880
do all those Dandori battles and get
the golds, it's masterful at that.

1753
02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:30.800
And Nintendo has just been killing it
on that front lately, and god damn

1754
02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:34.520
it, Pickman deserves this credit.
It deserves the attention. The sales It's

1755
02:02:34.600 --> 02:02:38.920
always been good, but Pickman four
is easily the best one. I'm so

1756
02:02:38.960 --> 02:02:41.800
glad you guys are liking it.
It's a great name. It has just

1757
02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:47.159
like they have. It's like alchemy, but instead of gold, it's like

1758
02:02:47.520 --> 02:02:53.159
such joyful multitasking. And I'm wondering
how much of it's resonating with people now.

1759
02:02:53.239 --> 02:02:58.079
I mean a it's because it's like
the first switch specific Pickman. I

1760
02:02:58.119 --> 02:03:00.560
wonder how like obviously, like you
know, how many were on was it?

1761
02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:03.680
Pickment three was at the WU.
One and two were game Cube and

1762
02:03:03.720 --> 02:03:08.640
they re released them on the Wii
with new new play control. Uh.

1763
02:03:08.760 --> 02:03:12.000
Three came out on the Wiu,
and then three Deluxe came out on the

1764
02:03:12.199 --> 02:03:15.520
Switch, and then four or switch. Yeah, I'm wondering if it's just

1765
02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:18.960
because it's the first like big number
one on the switch. But regardless,

1766
02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:25.479
it's like I said this kind of
as a joke, but there is something

1767
02:03:25.520 --> 02:03:29.800
to it. I'm like, this
game is just like gamified Xanax, Like

1768
02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:33.319
it is just it's meditative to the
point of being calming as fuck, even

1769
02:03:33.319 --> 02:03:38.600
when it's getting tough during dandory bows. I'm like, I it's just like

1770
02:03:39.279 --> 02:03:42.880
very fun chores. It reminds me
like Sundays at my in my park,

1771
02:03:43.000 --> 02:03:45.520
like here on Sundays, or the
day when I go around and I take

1772
02:03:45.600 --> 02:03:49.279
like an hour to trim and water
all my house plants here. M M.

1773
02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:53.199
That sounds like a chore. It
sounds like you would be a pain

1774
02:03:53.319 --> 02:03:57.479
after, you know, weekly after
several years. But it's like it is

1775
02:03:57.520 --> 02:04:01.319
a joyful chore where I'm like,
mall tasking and I'm like just getting that

1776
02:04:01.479 --> 02:04:05.960
much more efficient each time I do
it, And I know there's such comfort

1777
02:04:06.000 --> 02:04:13.800
in knowing that there is as much
possible energy going into this one thing and

1778
02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:16.159
then also this other thing, and
then like everything is just efficient. It's

1779
02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:21.119
how it's supposed to be there.
It's comforting, it's satisfying. The loop

1780
02:04:21.199 --> 02:04:26.399
there. There's something about games this
year. We were talking about David Diver,

1781
02:04:26.520 --> 02:04:30.680
but also Dredge and Pickment four.
These games have just figured out how

1782
02:04:30.680 --> 02:04:36.239
to make like a perfect loop.
Yeah, And I don't know, there's

1783
02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:43.319
that feedback where it's like this is
so rewarding and calming and meditative but just

1784
02:04:43.479 --> 02:04:46.840
challenging enough where I'm not like getting
tired or bored. It's just like it's

1785
02:04:46.840 --> 02:04:51.000
not mindless. No. Pickment four
is just flow state. Much of it

1786
02:04:51.039 --> 02:04:55.199
is just like flow State incarnate.
But then there are the tougher parts where

1787
02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:58.079
I'm like, oh, like Mary, like you said, I didn't realize

1788
02:04:58.079 --> 02:05:00.920
how much I was learning throughout all
this game, but then like they test

1789
02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:05.760
you and again in these very cathartic
tests where I'm like, oh, it

1790
02:05:05.800 --> 02:05:11.119
took me eight tries, but it
was still just so I'm getting shit done.

1791
02:05:11.439 --> 02:05:14.359
It is. Uh, there's there's
something to it. I don't know.

1792
02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:19.079
That game is fantastic. Speaking of
which, Dredge. Actually, I

1793
02:05:19.119 --> 02:05:24.560
just saw their DLC is out,
the pal Reach. Dredge got like Arctic

1794
02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:28.560
themed DLC. I don't know,
Mary, have you played it? Uh?

1795
02:05:28.920 --> 02:05:30.720
Dredge, Yeah, I got the
pal Reach. DLC just came out

1796
02:05:30.760 --> 02:05:33.880
like yesterday or today. Oh god, I haven't. I haven't tried it,

1797
02:05:33.920 --> 02:05:38.399
and I freaking love Dredge. I
think it's really up there for me

1798
02:05:38.479 --> 02:05:42.079
this year, so I'm gonna need
to. I might try to play that

1799
02:05:42.159 --> 02:05:45.520
over Thanksgiving break because Dredge is up
there with Pickman four and David Diver of

1800
02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:51.119
like I just wanted to loop,
I'm in I'm in gody mode. So

1801
02:05:51.720 --> 02:05:57.439
right now, November and December are
my dates to play games that I know

1802
02:05:57.520 --> 02:06:00.520
you guys are going to bring up
during Gody so that I can least say

1803
02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:05.840
like played them. I can discuss
them if you want when you argue for

1804
02:06:05.960 --> 02:06:12.000
them. One of the ones that
I played is specifically that which is you

1805
02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:15.640
guys know. The Game Awards release
their nominees this week and for Indie Game,

1806
02:06:15.680 --> 02:06:19.840
which was quite contentious. That was
interesting. Dave the Diver brought up

1807
02:06:19.880 --> 02:06:24.920
a big controversy which I won't get
into because I don't actually think it's it's

1808
02:06:24.960 --> 02:06:29.079
that interesting. But the point is
is how a Viewfinder was in Indie game

1809
02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:31.800
category and I have never played Viewfinder, and I was like, if it's

1810
02:06:31.880 --> 02:06:35.039
a nominee for Indie Game of the
Year, I have to play it.

1811
02:06:35.039 --> 02:06:38.760
It was the only one on there
that I hadn't played this year, so

1812
02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:42.800
I downloaded it and played it on
Monday. I played like maybe four or

1813
02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:48.039
five hours of it. It's really
interesting. It's a really great concept where

1814
02:06:48.199 --> 02:06:54.640
you at first it's very slow and
it's essentially a perspective based game where you

1815
02:06:54.680 --> 02:06:59.000
see a gap and you obviously know
you need a bridge, and you see

1816
02:06:59.039 --> 02:07:01.880
a post it that has a plank
on it. If you put the plank

1817
02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:04.640
where the bridge needs to be,
the bridge is there and then you can

1818
02:07:04.640 --> 02:07:10.079
cross so outside world. Yeah,
correct, And it's so it's a perspective

1819
02:07:10.119 --> 02:07:14.239
based game, but it's done very
well where you could play a lot with

1820
02:07:14.399 --> 02:07:18.000
it. And then eventually what it
becomes is you get a polaroid and you

1821
02:07:18.039 --> 02:07:21.720
can take a photo of anything you
want and then when you hold the photo

1822
02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:28.000
up, that thing will become a
part of this world, and that is

1823
02:07:28.119 --> 02:07:31.880
quite interesting, and it allows you
to solve these puzzles in very unique ways.

1824
02:07:32.239 --> 02:07:34.560
You will solve a puzzle very differently
in the way I solve it,

1825
02:07:34.600 --> 02:07:40.960
because the way you choose to manipulate
manipulate your polaroid and take a photo and

1826
02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:43.359
how you use it will probably be
different the way I do it. So

1827
02:07:43.880 --> 02:07:47.560
it becomes a sandbox in the game
where I'm at now, But there is

1828
02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:53.640
some very tutorial heavy beginner pieces where
it's trying to explain the rules of the

1829
02:07:53.680 --> 02:07:59.600
world. It's great. It's a
very interesting puzzle mechanic. I don't think

1830
02:07:59.680 --> 02:08:05.600
it is at the capacity of puzzler
that Cocoon is. I just want to

1831
02:08:05.600 --> 02:08:11.359
say, like Cocoons puzzle building is
bar non the best that I've seen all

1832
02:08:11.439 --> 02:08:16.239
year. If you want a puzzle
game that explains the rules and then challenges

1833
02:08:16.279 --> 02:08:20.600
you, Cocoon is where it's at. This game is just it's an interesting

1834
02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:26.600
concept of a perspective based puzzling,
and it is an interesting world. I

1835
02:08:26.640 --> 02:08:31.800
don't care for the vo or the
story at all. I don't want to

1836
02:08:31.840 --> 02:08:37.479
hear anyone's sad sob story about why
I'm in this garbage pale world. I

1837
02:08:37.479 --> 02:08:41.159
don't give a shit about you or
your story. And just because you made

1838
02:08:41.199 --> 02:08:45.439
the character that I'm interacting with a
cat doesn't mean I can't be annoyed with

1839
02:08:45.479 --> 02:08:48.520
them. And I like cats,
and I still found them annoying. I

1840
02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:50.560
found every character in that whole fucking
game annoying. I don't want to hear

1841
02:08:50.720 --> 02:08:54.920
a goddamn thing from anyone. There
should have been no vo in that game.

1842
02:08:54.960 --> 02:08:58.920
I stand by that thought. But
it's a neat puzzle game. The

1843
02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:01.720
gameplay gimmick work so well, and
I feel like it they must have just

1844
02:09:01.760 --> 02:09:03.880
thought that, like, oh well, portally, you know, like the

1845
02:09:03.920 --> 02:09:15.479
puzzles were great, but also everyone
loves Glad I have. She's earned well

1846
02:09:15.680 --> 02:09:18.399
if you find her. Does the
stuff with that like second layer of the

1847
02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:24.279
story, with the futuristic dystopia stuff, did you get there yet? Uh?

1848
02:09:24.399 --> 02:09:30.720
Yes, I've started. That stuff
felt so fucking unnecessary bad. The

1849
02:09:30.760 --> 02:09:33.600
game had me. When you're doing
like photo tricks with batteries on the ground,

1850
02:09:35.000 --> 02:09:37.439
that's when I was like, oh, ship, Like they built this

1851
02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:39.920
exploit into the game in a really
cool way. I was like, you

1852
02:09:39.960 --> 02:09:45.359
had you had this like Prey you
had and you lost me. Yeah,

1853
02:09:45.399 --> 02:09:46.560
I don't know. I just feel
like they put a hat on, an

1854
02:09:46.640 --> 02:09:50.119
ugly hat and a really good looking
hat, and that was like, I

1855
02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:52.720
don't know why you're doing I don't
know. Sometimes I wonder if like that

1856
02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:56.960
game was cooking for too long because
it was a concept and if maybe it

1857
02:09:56.039 --> 02:10:00.840
had like two really insane o game
devs were on it, it would have

1858
02:10:00.880 --> 02:10:05.000
been perfect. But then there was
like a producer and like six other idea

1859
02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:07.159
guys in there that were like,
what if you could break the world and

1860
02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:11.319
you're from the future and there's a
cat and it's just like, shut up,

1861
02:10:11.960 --> 02:10:16.680
you don't need all that stuff.
That game was really solid the way

1862
02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:18.880
it was, and I think all
the bells and whistles that they had had

1863
02:10:18.960 --> 02:10:24.159
kind of annoyed me. But the
puzzles are great, and I really do

1864
02:10:24.199 --> 02:10:26.800
think it'll give you some good think
of moments. It's really fun when a

1865
02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:31.039
puzzle game makes you go, oh
my god, I see and I had

1866
02:10:31.039 --> 02:10:35.880
one of those. I streamed this
game, and it's really fun when it

1867
02:10:35.000 --> 02:10:39.600
finally clicks for me and I see
my chat just go and everyone's just like

1868
02:10:39.920 --> 02:10:43.319
she did, She's she sees it
like you, we all kind of click

1869
02:10:43.399 --> 02:10:46.600
at the same moment. When something
like that happens, it feels great.

1870
02:10:46.680 --> 02:10:48.600
So I think it's a cool game. I really do recommend it. But

1871
02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:52.960
I had a couple a couple of
Rockie pieces for me back and forth there.

1872
02:10:54.760 --> 02:10:56.760
Yeah, for sure, did you
play? I think you played?

1873
02:10:56.800 --> 02:11:01.399
Chance of saying ah, right,
yes, I told us about that.

1874
02:11:01.479 --> 02:11:05.479
Yeah, game, I think I
like that play that I played it.

1875
02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:07.039
Have we not talked about it?
I like that game a lot, but

1876
02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:11.880
a similar thing to Viewfinder. They
also try to do a lot outside of

1877
02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:15.640
the actual logic and language puzzles that
I'm like, like a lot of the

1878
02:11:15.640 --> 02:11:22.760
storytelling and the stealth stuff like what
do you You're not a stealth I felt

1879
02:11:22.800 --> 02:11:26.039
like Uncharted for was the tipping point
where like, you don't need stealth sequences

1880
02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:26.960
and every That's when I stopped Spider
Man two. I was like, I'm

1881
02:11:28.000 --> 02:11:31.920
not doing another marriageane thing. I'm
not like that ship. Yeah, and

1882
02:11:31.960 --> 02:11:37.760
I like Spider Man two, but
God's things were I think doing this it's

1883
02:11:37.800 --> 02:11:41.880
a good disc It's a good comparison. I think sometimes you focus on what

1884
02:11:41.920 --> 02:11:46.760
you're good at, and yeah,
it's interesting when a game might not recognize

1885
02:11:46.840 --> 02:11:52.239
when it's killing it. Yeah,
maybe one as you do some busy work.

1886
02:11:52.279 --> 02:11:54.199
But we're at a point where like, I don't want busy work,

1887
02:11:54.239 --> 02:11:58.039
just let me. I don't stuff
that I don't. I don't begrudge games

1888
02:11:58.039 --> 02:12:00.680
for trying stuff. I just want
you to do it well. Like fucking

1889
02:12:00.800 --> 02:12:05.319
Dredge did not need to become this
supernatural horror thing later on, it did

1890
02:12:05.319 --> 02:12:07.199
it well. In my opinion,
I like how it did that. Like,

1891
02:12:07.640 --> 02:12:11.560
I'm fucking addicted to Dredge. One
hundred percent of Dredge too. I

1892
02:12:11.600 --> 02:12:18.560
think I'm a free I got every
fish. I was like, they didn't

1893
02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:20.000
need to do that, but I
thought they did it well. And then

1894
02:12:20.239 --> 02:12:22.720
how many other games, Like again, you're not gonna be able to do

1895
02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:26.880
Portal Too better than VELL did.
Like I agree. I say that all

1896
02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:31.680
the time. If you're trying to
emulate a classic, a beloved classic,

1897
02:12:33.199 --> 02:12:37.079
if you ain't doing it better than
that game, leave it alone, do

1898
02:12:37.159 --> 02:12:39.479
your own thing. You don't have
dual protagonists that you can switch between whenever

1899
02:12:39.520 --> 02:12:43.760
you want, and one's in a
nightmare world and one is in some weird

1900
02:12:43.760 --> 02:12:50.840
little twin Peaks town which came in
different pages which Mary hold on, Let's

1901
02:12:50.920 --> 02:12:56.239
let's convene on the side I was
talking to I was talking about about warrioror

1902
02:12:56.399 --> 02:13:03.720
moving. Yeah, we're talking about
Sambadaire, talking about Sonic the Hedgehog was

1903
02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:09.399
murdered or whatever it's called. Yeah, I'm I'm the last game I'll talk

1904
02:13:09.399 --> 02:13:13.000
about tonight. That I also played
just to catch up with more for Game

1905
02:13:13.039 --> 02:13:18.920
of the Year. I have several
friends who swear to me that Remnant two

1906
02:13:18.960 --> 02:13:22.319
is good. I went back to
give it more of a chance. I

1907
02:13:22.359 --> 02:13:26.520
did because I liked the first game, and I like what they're doing with

1908
02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:28.880
this second game, but it just
frustrates me too often. I think there's

1909
02:13:28.880 --> 02:13:33.920
a lot of cool things going on. I like that. I like how

1910
02:13:35.000 --> 02:13:37.560
much they obfuscate in this game.
They're not holding your hand through a lot

1911
02:13:37.600 --> 02:13:43.560
of it. I think it feels
snappy from moment to moment. I think

1912
02:13:43.680 --> 02:13:46.680
that the world parts of the world
are compelling. I like Low Song like

1913
02:13:46.720 --> 02:13:50.520
most people. I like the Bloodborne
esque area. I like that you it's

1914
02:13:50.600 --> 02:13:56.840
randomized to the point where you might
not even see the same a boss that

1915
02:13:56.880 --> 02:13:58.680
I saw in my play through,
because you went through different parts of these

1916
02:13:58.720 --> 02:14:03.279
worlds that are randomly rolled. I
like all that, and I like some

1917
02:14:03.319 --> 02:14:05.680
of the classes. I think the
class design is really compelling. I really

1918
02:14:05.720 --> 02:14:11.880
dislike how often I am fighting bosses
that are more frustrating than they are challenging.

1919
02:14:13.439 --> 02:14:16.159
The dodge is one of the least
satisfying things, and I might just

1920
02:14:16.159 --> 02:14:20.119
be timing it terribly. But like
the dodge in Allen Wake two is not

1921
02:14:20.159 --> 02:14:22.960
overpowered, but you need to like
you can tie, you could start timing

1922
02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:26.800
that really well. In Rounded two, the dodge just feels so and I'm

1923
02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:28.960
not over encumbered. Like I told
my friend, He's like, maybe you're

1924
02:14:28.960 --> 02:14:31.760
where you have too much armor.
I was like, nope, I checked

1925
02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:33.279
that. I understand how these kind
of games work. I looked into that.

1926
02:14:33.880 --> 02:14:37.560
I don't know. It's just frustrating
me way too often to enjoy.

1927
02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:43.279
I wish I enjoyed it more,
but I don't. But and then outside

1928
02:14:43.279 --> 02:14:45.760
of that, I know, I
just said that was the last game I

1929
02:14:45.800 --> 02:14:48.760
talked about, But I played a
fuck ton of Endless Dungeon over the last

1930
02:14:48.800 --> 02:14:54.760
like two weeks. Mary, I
think you played Endless Dungeon. Uh,

1931
02:14:54.880 --> 02:14:58.359
yeah, I did play Endless Dungeon. I haven't played a lot of it.

1932
02:14:58.439 --> 02:15:01.279
I should preface I think I've only
played a couple hours of it,

1933
02:15:01.359 --> 02:15:05.680
but it's a fun co op game
Tower Defense, which is like such a

1934
02:15:05.680 --> 02:15:09.680
classic easy sell for me. If
you want me to drink some beers and

1935
02:15:09.720 --> 02:15:13.920
play a co op tower defense,
I'm in, uh, Power Defense,

1936
02:15:15.000 --> 02:15:18.840
Roguelike, twin stick Shooter mashup.
Yeah, that's a good Yes, that's

1937
02:15:18.840 --> 02:15:22.800
correct. And it has a bar, yeah, like a put a bar

1938
02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:26.680
in there, and it's kind of
what's the I mean every game now many

1939
02:15:26.720 --> 02:15:30.199
games have like a home base hub. Yeah, your hub is a bar.

1940
02:15:30.479 --> 02:15:33.840
The fucking dwarf miners and space game
that I love, I put like

1941
02:15:33.840 --> 02:15:39.479
two Deep Deep Rock Deep. They
have the bar too anyway, and you

1942
02:15:39.479 --> 02:15:43.119
you have to defend the crystal shock. And uh, what's interesting is like

1943
02:15:43.119 --> 02:15:46.840
every time you open a door,
it gives you currency. So the idea

1944
02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:52.560
is like exploration rewards you with currency
that you spend on turrets or maybe science

1945
02:15:52.800 --> 02:15:58.399
or maybe health health packs for you
and your and your buddies. I Mike,

1946
02:15:58.439 --> 02:16:03.479
actually, maybe educate me because I
don't think I figured out what causes

1947
02:16:03.680 --> 02:16:07.840
waves to Is it time based or
I sometimes I felt like every time I

1948
02:16:07.880 --> 02:16:11.119
opened up like a door, I
risked a wave like, yeah, no,

1949
02:16:11.159 --> 02:16:15.880
it's the way statistically, it ups
the danger of you getting a wave

1950
02:16:15.960 --> 02:16:18.560
when the more doors you open,
Okay, but then you also have to

1951
02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:22.800
then you also have to plan,
Like if you open up every door willy

1952
02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:26.760
nilly, you're increasing the risk that
enemies could come from another direction. So

1953
02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:28.119
like, the more you play,
the more you're like, you're also creating

1954
02:16:28.119 --> 02:16:31.920
the path through which enemies are traveling. So that's when you're like, fuck,

1955
02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:33.680
do I want to open this door
yet? Do you want to risk

1956
02:16:33.680 --> 02:16:39.639
going this other other side of the
crystal bot before I move it? Yeah?

1957
02:16:39.639 --> 02:16:41.840
The more the more you play that
game, the more you start to

1958
02:16:41.840 --> 02:16:43.680
internalize a lot of the rules and
the meta of it, which is why

1959
02:16:43.719 --> 02:16:50.399
I really like it. I I
I got like a very good twenty hours

1960
02:16:50.399 --> 02:16:52.360
out of it. I think it's
a really well designed game. I got

1961
02:16:52.399 --> 02:16:56.159
a bit frustrated with it. I
think some of the character design is is

1962
02:16:56.719 --> 02:17:03.520
pretty imaginative. I it's very satisfying
to get these permanent upgrades and take a

1963
02:17:03.559 --> 02:17:05.959
new character down, and once you
can get three people in your squad,

1964
02:17:07.000 --> 02:17:11.040
it's much more fun. But I
do still wish there was more depth to

1965
02:17:11.079 --> 02:17:16.760
it. I felt like by my
eighth ninth run, I had kind of

1966
02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:22.319
seen the entire loop, whereas something
maybe not eighth or ninth, maybe like

1967
02:17:22.360 --> 02:17:26.799
twelve, but which is again like
twelve runs a roguelike. I don't know,

1968
02:17:26.920 --> 02:17:30.079
but like twelve runs into Haites,
I hadn't even unlocked all the weapons,

1969
02:17:30.079 --> 02:17:33.959
and I'm still seeing new wrinkles unfold. So I really like m Mus

1970
02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:35.520
Dungeon. Honestly, it might be
in my top ten. I had a

1971
02:17:35.559 --> 02:17:39.239
lot of fun with it. I
just I think I did. At a

1972
02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:48.920
certain point, those first few minutes
of new runs started to feel more repetitive

1973
02:17:48.959 --> 02:17:50.079
than they would have been hades,
where I'm like, oh, this is

1974
02:17:50.120 --> 02:17:54.040
all still really snappy and satisfying.
I think I lost that a bit sooner,

1975
02:17:54.040 --> 02:17:58.479
and then LUs Dungeon than I would
in a truly great roguelike. Yeah,

1976
02:17:58.520 --> 02:18:01.200
I think I. I also actually
fell off and I didn't play it

1977
02:18:01.239 --> 02:18:05.559
for very long. I really enjoyed
learning the mechanics, and then once I

1978
02:18:05.639 --> 02:18:11.799
learned them, I was like,
okay, so it's just like electrical enemies,

1979
02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:16.520
you know, acid enemies, And
once I kind of had solved what

1980
02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:20.479
it was teaching me, I felt
like there was nothing else. I wish

1981
02:18:20.479 --> 02:18:22.200
it kind of a lot of games
like that. They will dule them out

1982
02:18:22.239 --> 02:18:26.399
over time, so they'll be like, this entire area is just robots,

1983
02:18:26.680 --> 02:18:30.680
this next entire area is aliens.
But it kind of did it all at

1984
02:18:30.680 --> 02:18:35.319
once, so there wasn't really anything
to uncover. Yeah, they start complicating

1985
02:18:35.360 --> 02:18:37.879
that later on, but it does
take a bit. But again, by

1986
02:18:37.879 --> 02:18:41.000
the time they start complicating in that
way where you're like balancing the different enemy

1987
02:18:41.000 --> 02:18:46.600
types and elemental weaknesses, I felt
like it had gotten easier, much easier

1988
02:18:46.639 --> 02:18:50.639
because I had upgraded two characters.
I had a three person squad, so

1989
02:18:50.680 --> 02:18:54.879
it was like like getting that six
person squad in x Com two is like

1990
02:18:54.959 --> 02:18:58.200
paramount, but it's still difficult once
you do very different games. But I'm

1991
02:18:58.239 --> 02:19:00.959
just thinking like games where you increase
the squads this one by the time you

1992
02:19:00.959 --> 02:19:03.159
got to three, and like it
got to be a bit too easy,

1993
02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:07.680
right, But yeah, I think
if you're into tower defense, all very

1994
02:19:07.280 --> 02:19:11.000
satisfying tower defense game, but you're
also moving twin six shooter like hell Divers

1995
02:19:11.040 --> 02:19:16.840
kind of thing, it's I think
it's got a lot of creativity. I

1996
02:19:16.920 --> 02:19:22.000
like a lot of the character design. I like there's some fun synergies between

1997
02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:28.440
different characters I think, for like, for a solid fifteen to twenty hours,

1998
02:19:28.440 --> 02:19:31.680
which these days is kind of honestly
a little past the sweet spot.

1999
02:19:31.719 --> 02:19:35.440
I think that's that's really like a
good time. Like I think fifteen hours

2000
02:19:35.440 --> 02:19:39.120
for me, regardless of the genre, is pretty good time to finish a

2001
02:19:39.159 --> 02:19:43.719
game. I think Ellen Wake two
is the first game in a while that

2002
02:19:43.079 --> 02:19:48.040
I have finished and been like,
oh wow, I I wish there was

2003
02:19:48.079 --> 02:19:50.520
more. I was shocked when you
told me your hour account and I was

2004
02:19:50.520 --> 02:19:54.319
like, oh my god, Yeah, idea could be that long. I

2005
02:19:54.319 --> 02:19:58.760
mean one hundred percent keep that in
mind. But still it's it's fairly lengthy.

2006
02:20:00.559 --> 02:20:03.959
I'd say it's similar to Resume of
four length, if not more.

2007
02:20:05.399 --> 02:20:07.959
No, it's longer than Resume four. I think Resume four or now I

2008
02:20:07.959 --> 02:20:13.639
think remake you could probably get through
fifteen hours. Maybe sounds about right.

2009
02:20:13.719 --> 02:20:18.879
Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
outside of that might, I've got to

2010
02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:22.319
clean up some games for Game of
the Year consideration. I've got a whole

2011
02:20:22.360 --> 02:20:28.479
list. I like Star Wars,
Jedi Survivor I want to try more of.

2012
02:20:28.760 --> 02:20:31.399
So I've got some people I trust
that tell me. They're like,

2013
02:20:33.360 --> 02:20:35.840
they asked me how far I got. I told them, like ninety minutes

2014
02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:39.239
in and they're like, Okay,
play a little more. There's going to

2015
02:20:39.280 --> 02:20:41.760
be a part where the game really
gets rolling. If you don't like it,

2016
02:20:41.799 --> 02:20:45.840
then put it down. I'm going
to try to get there. They

2017
02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:46.719
told me. I'll know when I
get there in terms of like what you

2018
02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:52.479
start doing as the overall explorative loop. But I forget. I have a

2019
02:20:52.520 --> 02:20:54.120
list somewhere of games I got to
catch up on. It's definitely that time

2020
02:20:54.159 --> 02:20:58.280
of year though, where crunching out
a bunch. Yeah, I would like

2021
02:20:58.319 --> 02:21:03.840
to with I just realistically, it's
just the thing, I don't know if

2022
02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:07.159
I have time, you know,
Oh yeah it sounds but you do have

2023
02:21:07.200 --> 02:21:09.040
the time. You're just choosing not
to make the time. Like he ain't

2024
02:21:09.079 --> 02:21:11.440
that bad. I don't know.
Look, I've been working on the only

2025
02:21:11.479 --> 02:21:16.000
game I've been playing for like a
month has been Allen Wake two, and

2026
02:21:16.040 --> 02:21:20.280
I'll get maybe thirty minutes in,
like in a week, I'll maybe get

2027
02:21:20.120 --> 02:21:24.760
hour and a half, you know, Like I just it's been it's been

2028
02:21:24.799 --> 02:21:28.520
a lot for a while now.
So I guess I don't say that none

2029
02:21:28.559 --> 02:21:35.319
of us are not busy. We're
definitely busy people, But I think busyness

2030
02:21:35.440 --> 02:21:39.600
is a really good excuse to be
like I I'm just too busy to play

2031
02:21:39.639 --> 02:21:43.200
it. But what that really says
to me is is like I'm not prioritizing

2032
02:21:43.280 --> 02:21:46.520
it because I don't want to.
No, I'm literally saying, like I

2033
02:21:46.559 --> 02:21:50.079
wake up at like seven o'clock in
the morning and go to bed closer to

2034
02:21:50.120 --> 02:21:54.959
midnight, and like every fucking second
is filled with stuff, and like today

2035
02:21:56.040 --> 02:21:58.639
I would have loved to play a
video game, but like, but if

2036
02:21:58.680 --> 02:22:01.760
you did have time, which deo
game that you play? I need to

2037
02:22:01.799 --> 02:22:05.280
finish out in Wake like that I
definitely need well seriously, like, like

2038
02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:07.159
that is is way high on my
list right now, Like that is the

2039
02:22:07.239 --> 02:22:11.360
priority before these Games of the Year
things. But like I have to finish

2040
02:22:11.440 --> 02:22:13.239
that. But that's the only game
I'm working on right now. I just

2041
02:22:13.239 --> 02:22:16.959
need to beat it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I just texted

2042
02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:20.399
Jake because I texted the other day
I don't think I'm gonna get either of

2043
02:22:20.399 --> 02:22:24.079
you to play Shadow Gambit, and
I told Jake it's very much his ship.

2044
02:22:24.159 --> 02:22:26.000
So I'm like, did you play
it yet? And he didn't answer

2045
02:22:26.000 --> 02:22:28.559
me, So I just texted him
answer me in all caps. Two days

2046
02:22:28.559 --> 02:22:33.559
after he said no, not yet, Shadow Game at the Curse Crew,

2047
02:22:33.600 --> 02:22:41.959
the the O Yeah yeah, Squad
Asymmetric Off yep. God, that's gonna

2048
02:22:41.959 --> 02:22:43.799
be annoying to argue for it because
I don't think any of you guys are

2049
02:22:43.799 --> 02:22:46.760
gonna play it. It's gonna be
one of those games I get up there

2050
02:22:46.799 --> 02:22:50.079
just by virtue of I don't know
where I'll get it, but it's you

2051
02:22:50.120 --> 02:22:54.559
gotta you gotta pick where you're putting
your points in your argument points. Yeah,

2052
02:22:54.600 --> 02:22:58.040
I gotta parse them out. M
M. I've got a few games

2053
02:22:58.040 --> 02:23:01.559
in mind that I know I'm going
to have to like really prop up.

2054
02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:05.239
I think there's one that I'm I
don't think any of you like that I'm

2055
02:23:05.280 --> 02:23:07.200
gonna be. It's gonna I don't
know, it'll be interesting. It'll,

2056
02:23:07.239 --> 02:23:11.079
like I said, it'll be a
fucking shit show, bloodbath, I'm gonna

2057
02:23:11.079 --> 02:23:18.360
slit throats. Any other games where
you guys want to do emails? Email

2058
02:23:18.520 --> 02:23:22.200
Email all right, as usual,
you can write into fire Escape Past at

2059
02:23:22.200 --> 02:23:24.920
gmail dot com. Questions, comments, concerns, corrections. We actually have

2060
02:23:24.959 --> 02:23:28.840
a couple of responses today. They're
not really corrections, but some fun responses

2061
02:23:28.879 --> 02:23:33.959
we got based on some past conversations
that's fire Escape Past at gmail dot com.

2062
02:23:33.959 --> 02:23:37.040
Write in you want us to potentially
read your question your email on next

2063
02:23:37.040 --> 02:23:41.879
episode or the one after that,
Mary, do you want to do this?

2064
02:23:41.959 --> 02:23:46.280
First one from Adam? This is
a response. I was it last

2065
02:23:46.280 --> 02:23:50.159
episode maybe two ago we talked about
I think it was the email section less

2066
02:23:50.159 --> 02:23:54.520
episode. We talked about how I
get these periods of like intense deja vu

2067
02:23:54.600 --> 02:23:58.280
over and over, and Dan was
saying, you've never really experienced it.

2068
02:23:58.200 --> 02:24:05.120
Yeah, our listener wrote in a
response to this, Okay, hey,

2069
02:24:05.280 --> 02:24:11.360
flaming escapers, it's a nice got
a nice ring to it. It's your

2070
02:24:11.399 --> 02:24:18.559
old friend Adam, the neuro in
interventional surgeon here again. Did I say

2071
02:24:18.600 --> 02:24:24.120
that right? Yes, we call
ourselves brain doctors. But yeah, yeah,

2072
02:24:24.319 --> 02:24:28.879
noodle doc. Yeah. But hone
in on your talk about deja vu,

2073
02:24:30.040 --> 02:24:33.159
because it's one of those things that
can occasionally be the sign of a

2074
02:24:33.200 --> 02:24:39.159
neurological disorder or derangement. This isn't
some warning to get your head scanned or

2075
02:24:39.159 --> 02:24:43.879
anything, just more to get you
thinking good. Okay. Aside from disorders

2076
02:24:43.920 --> 02:24:48.600
and diseases, deja vu seems to
appear in people who have sleep loss take

2077
02:24:48.680 --> 02:24:54.159
sleeping anxiety pills or consume a lot
of alcohol that act on the same GABA

2078
02:24:54.399 --> 02:25:00.959
receptors. Two of those three explains
deja vu. I was like, that's

2079
02:25:01.000 --> 02:25:07.639
not me. That's not me.
Uh, and I alcohol is a bit

2080
02:25:07.719 --> 02:25:11.440
less lately, but like, I'm
definitely more than average. I'd say I

2081
02:25:11.440 --> 02:25:15.520
would be very curious to know if
you find that you get your runs of

2082
02:25:15.559 --> 02:25:18.920
deja vous are close to times when
you have either had sleep loss or take

2083
02:25:20.000 --> 02:25:24.280
anxiety sleeping medication, or whether it
occurs in the aftermath of alcohol intake stretches.

2084
02:25:26.239 --> 02:25:31.120
I haven't had this sensation myself since
I wasn't residency, which is notoriously

2085
02:25:31.159 --> 02:25:35.200
grueling period of training. Cheers Adam. I think there's probably a time I'm

2086
02:25:35.200 --> 02:25:39.200
assuming he meant since I was in
residency. Yeah he wasn't. No,

2087
02:25:39.719 --> 02:25:43.959
Yeah he wasn't. He said he
hasn't experienced that day movie because he wasn't.

2088
02:25:45.120 --> 02:25:48.000
It's super sleep deprived. Yeah,
yeah, it would not surprise me.

2089
02:25:48.120 --> 02:25:52.040
The sleep loss. My most of
my life, insomnia has been a

2090
02:25:52.559 --> 02:25:56.520
There's been periods of my life where
it's been actual, like you know in

2091
02:25:56.559 --> 02:26:01.360
Fight Club when he's describing insomnia.
For as much as that movie is very

2092
02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:03.000
much like dude, bros. I
don't really. I don't watch that movie

2093
02:26:03.040 --> 02:26:07.000
anymore. That part is true.
It's like there's been twice in my life

2094
02:26:07.000 --> 02:26:13.079
where I've had such bad streaks of
insomnia where life just stop feeling real.

2095
02:26:13.000 --> 02:26:16.479
It was all this is weird haze, So I could see that. And

2096
02:26:16.520 --> 02:26:20.200
I also just sometimes don't sleep well
over the summer, especially I don't sleep

2097
02:26:20.200 --> 02:26:22.840
well, so I could see it
being that. But yeah, it comes

2098
02:26:22.920 --> 02:26:26.840
in waves. It makes sense of
what he's saying, because I was saying

2099
02:26:26.000 --> 02:26:28.959
it comes for me. It's like, oh, I had it like four

2100
02:26:30.000 --> 02:26:31.920
days in a row, but then
I won't have it for like a year.

2101
02:26:31.440 --> 02:26:35.120
It's fun. I didn't know they
might come along with periods where it's

2102
02:26:35.280 --> 02:26:39.319
like the holidays, or like I'm
just seeing friends all the time and drinking

2103
02:26:39.319 --> 02:26:43.840
more than normal. Interesting. Let
me throw a question back at the Adam

2104
02:26:43.840 --> 02:26:48.719
here. I'll email the emailer Gabba
receptors and stuff like that. That's something

2105
02:26:48.760 --> 02:26:52.600
I've been reading about. But I've
been reading dumbass layman google searches and stuff

2106
02:26:52.639 --> 02:26:56.639
like that because I've always been wondering, like why I have such issues with

2107
02:26:56.879 --> 02:27:00.159
it. If I get really drunk
one night, the next day is this

2108
02:27:00.239 --> 02:27:03.760
panic attack city. It's just full
on, just like just a steady hum

2109
02:27:03.799 --> 02:27:09.600
of anxiety the entire day. And
I've heard like Gabba rebound and you're overloading

2110
02:27:09.639 --> 02:27:13.440
Gabba or starving your Gabba stuff like
that. And then I started hearing a

2111
02:27:13.440 --> 02:27:18.719
lot of people talk about d HM
d hydro my d hydro My right,

2112
02:27:18.840 --> 02:27:22.799
Tyson, it's a It's just like
a supplement you're supposed to take after you

2113
02:27:22.920 --> 02:27:28.479
drink. And I got some because
the rave reviews I saw everywhere, and

2114
02:27:28.520 --> 02:27:33.200
it does seem to be kind of
working. And I don't know if it's

2115
02:27:33.280 --> 02:27:35.120
Placibo, it does seem better.
Like I'll wake up the next day if

2116
02:27:35.120 --> 02:27:37.239
I've had like a you know,
long Friday night, like me and Kayla

2117
02:27:37.399 --> 02:27:43.440
like stayed up til five am drinking
the other night and I took one of

2118
02:27:43.440 --> 02:27:45.879
those and then woke up and I'm
like waiting for the like wait, I

2119
02:27:45.879 --> 02:27:48.920
don't feel like I want to crawl
out of my own brain, you know,

2120
02:27:48.040 --> 02:27:50.559
like this feels okay? So Adam, if you know anything about that,

2121
02:27:50.559 --> 02:27:52.360
I would love to hear you,
even if it's not for reading on

2122
02:27:52.399 --> 02:27:56.680
the podcast. I would love to
hear your thoughts on that. Yeah,

2123
02:27:56.680 --> 02:28:05.639
he's got an email. I don't
know anything about Gabba. I haven't done

2124
02:28:05.680 --> 02:28:09.639
any research on Gabba. Who is
she? I've read about it a bunch,

2125
02:28:09.680 --> 02:28:13.680
But I'm also a dumbass who doesn't
know anything about science or brains or

2126
02:28:13.680 --> 02:28:18.079
anything medical from your medical perspective,
Dan, And it's probably tied till I

2127
02:28:18.159 --> 02:28:22.399
got to open mean thing. And
it seems like you can overload things and

2128
02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:26.040
then if the next day might be
rough if you do too much with your

2129
02:28:26.079 --> 02:28:31.040
gabbas. I don't have many gabbas, and if you overdo your gabbas,

2130
02:28:31.040 --> 02:28:37.440
then you have a gabba recession,
and then you crave gabba. I hate

2131
02:28:39.000 --> 02:28:41.280
talking about this stuff because it's like
I love reading this stuff because I'm always

2132
02:28:41.280 --> 02:28:48.079
trying to diagnose myself, but also
people googling and self diagnosing themselves online or

2133
02:28:48.479 --> 02:28:52.760
doing their own research on stuff when
they're not a doctor leads to issues.

2134
02:28:52.000 --> 02:28:54.520
And it has led two issues on
a wide scale. And it's like,

2135
02:28:54.559 --> 02:28:58.120
so I don't want to be the
like I do some research to know I'm

2136
02:28:58.120 --> 02:29:01.319
an expert. I'm still very much
a dumbass, but I am trying to,

2137
02:29:01.479 --> 02:29:05.520
like, you know, figure out
what I can about these things.

2138
02:29:05.559 --> 02:29:07.239
But like I'll read things and then
I will go to like my doctor and

2139
02:29:07.280 --> 02:29:09.959
be like, hey, is this
bullshit? Like and so like that's why

2140
02:29:09.959 --> 02:29:13.639
I like asking actual experts like I
heard this is this bullshit? You know?

2141
02:29:13.879 --> 02:29:16.360
Well, I mean, you took
a pill and it's having an effect.

2142
02:29:16.520 --> 02:29:22.799
So it's what's interesting. Is is
it lac ebo or yes, is

2143
02:29:22.879 --> 02:29:26.559
it actually having an impact? Which
I'd be interested in hearing about. I

2144
02:29:26.879 --> 02:29:31.120
also get like anxiety after drinking a
lot. I always thought it was associated

2145
02:29:31.120 --> 02:29:35.760
with the fact that drinking a lot, drinking excessively obviously makes you feel like

2146
02:29:35.760 --> 02:29:39.360
shit because you're poisoning yourself. Sure, and so I always felt like the

2147
02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:43.719
anxiety I felt the morning after was
my body being like, why are you

2148
02:29:43.799 --> 02:29:48.319
poisoning yourself? You ding dong,
Like, don't hurt yourself so that you

2149
02:29:48.319 --> 02:29:52.319
can have fun. Now you're sick
and you don't feel good and you've ruined

2150
02:29:52.360 --> 02:29:56.040
your own your other day off because
you're so stupid, and that makes me

2151
02:29:56.040 --> 02:30:00.360
feel guilty, and then I get
anxiety. So I always concern I always

2152
02:30:00.399 --> 02:30:05.639
assumed it's because like I'm I'm doing
something that's unnecessary to hurt myself. I

2153
02:30:05.680 --> 02:30:07.760
don't get into a nature versus nurture
thing. But I think we all grew

2154
02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:13.319
up pretty similarly. Similarly. I
think I know what lacrosse was until I

2155
02:30:13.319 --> 02:30:18.559
was like thirty, Okay, I
mean, like the environments we were raised

2156
02:30:18.559 --> 02:30:24.000
in. I think, at least
the suburban mindsets we were raised in.

2157
02:30:24.719 --> 02:30:28.920
We were all suburban, yes,
like catholic Ish, right, like at

2158
02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:33.879
least like Christian. Was Christian childhood? Well not like, Well, I

2159
02:30:33.879 --> 02:30:35.319
went to Catholic school, but my
parents never gave a ship. It was

2160
02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:41.760
just my Yeah, yeah, I
digress. It wasn't a big part of

2161
02:30:41.799 --> 02:30:45.520
my childhood go on outside of school
and going to Mass every week. But

2162
02:30:45.639 --> 02:30:50.120
yeah, yeah, I think we
probably the guilt aspect I can relate to.

2163
02:30:50.360 --> 02:30:54.600
Not anymore nowadays, I'm like,
I don't. I am. I

2164
02:30:54.639 --> 02:31:00.000
am able to push guilt away more
easily, But guilt has been an overriding

2165
02:31:00.079 --> 02:31:01.200
emotion in my life, and I
think it has a bit to do with

2166
02:31:01.239 --> 02:31:05.639
my upbringing. Not to blame my
family. I love them, you've met

2167
02:31:05.680 --> 02:31:09.280
them all now. They're wonderful people. But uh yeah, I used to

2168
02:31:09.319 --> 02:31:11.319
when I was younger, and I
would like be hung over occasionally. The

2169
02:31:11.360 --> 02:31:16.520
guilt would be the worst part,
and that would definitely multiply. The anxiety

2170
02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:20.920
mine feels like it's something like in
my brain is like like in the books

2171
02:31:20.920 --> 02:31:24.319
and stuff I read about it,
I hear it's like a dope mean thing

2172
02:31:24.319 --> 02:31:28.920
where it's like, imagine like a
seesaw or whatever, and you you overload

2173
02:31:28.959 --> 02:31:31.559
stuff or so much dope mean and
the seesaw goes one way and then it's

2174
02:31:31.600 --> 02:31:33.600
like, Okay, your brain has
kind of right itself and it kind of

2175
02:31:33.600 --> 02:31:37.360
overcracks for the day after and stuff
like that. So yeah, the worst

2176
02:31:37.360 --> 02:31:41.719
for that for me. As fun
as Molly is, I've had of the

2177
02:31:41.760 --> 02:31:48.040
Who's that chase? Chase that chase. She's a scats artist, she lives,

2178
02:31:48.239 --> 02:31:54.200
she lives under the playground of A
handful of times have done Molly and

2179
02:31:54.239 --> 02:31:58.360
it's always fun and I like Molly
particularly, have done it a while.

2180
02:31:58.360 --> 02:32:03.360
But because you're still very aware of
your surroundings, it's not like you're not

2181
02:32:03.399 --> 02:32:07.479
tripping, it's very just enhancing certain
things around you. The come down on

2182
02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:13.760
that can be brutal because it's just
I cannot I can't do weed, you

2183
02:32:13.799 --> 02:32:16.280
know, I can't do weed.
Yeah, I'm not. I don't want

2184
02:32:16.280 --> 02:32:20.000
to do the weed. I'm not. I can't do the weed, You're

2185
02:32:20.040 --> 02:32:22.719
not thing, but like the molly
come down can be pretty rough because you're

2186
02:32:22.760 --> 02:32:28.799
literally just overloading like serotonin with molly
and dopamine and everything, and it's like

2187
02:32:28.840 --> 02:32:33.559
the best. Everything is vivid.
The next day was rough, Dan,

2188
02:32:33.639 --> 02:32:39.159
I had I had a bad one
this weekend. I went and got edibles.

2189
02:32:39.559 --> 02:32:43.040
My sister was visiting and weed in
her state isn't legal, so I

2190
02:32:43.079 --> 02:32:46.200
was able to take her to her
first legal weed store, which is so

2191
02:32:46.280 --> 02:32:50.760
exciting, right because everybody, yeah, you can just buy it. Yeah.

2192
02:32:50.799 --> 02:32:52.760
Well, they're also super professional and
they'll be like what, uh,

2193
02:32:52.959 --> 02:32:56.479
you know, what can how can
I serve you? What's your preference?

2194
02:32:56.559 --> 02:32:58.399
Like what do you like? You
know, what are you gonna do?

2195
02:32:58.399 --> 02:32:58.959
Are you gonna clean your house?
Or do you want to have a little

2196
02:33:00.120 --> 02:33:03.159
happy nappy? And she was explaining
it. So he's giving her all these

2197
02:33:03.159 --> 02:33:07.680
options and they're just so kind.
It's so exciting. And while she was

2198
02:33:07.719 --> 02:33:09.600
having such a good time, I
was like, well, I'm a seasoned

2199
02:33:09.680 --> 02:33:15.479
veteran, so I'm going to grab
my usual and I grabbed an edible.

2200
02:33:16.040 --> 02:33:18.520
I always get the same ones.
I have a system and I really like

2201
02:33:18.719 --> 02:33:24.040
dosing, Like what's cool about getting
them from a store is they'll tell you

2202
02:33:24.079 --> 02:33:26.479
the dosage, and I know exactly
what my dosage is, so I know

2203
02:33:26.520 --> 02:33:28.959
how much I should be taking.
And I have a very low dosage.

2204
02:33:28.559 --> 02:33:33.360
I usually take like five milgram,
which is like the lowest you can get.

2205
02:33:33.719 --> 02:33:35.719
Yeah, but you'll feel it.
You'll feel five. Oh. I

2206
02:33:35.879 --> 02:33:39.680
like bite a piece off of five
milligrams. Same, So like, I

2207
02:33:39.840 --> 02:33:43.280
keep it really low, all right. So I buy the one that I

2208
02:33:43.280 --> 02:33:46.600
think I usually buy it. I
take it home and when my sister leaves,

2209
02:33:46.639 --> 02:33:50.639
I go get a coffee and I
see them in my purse and I

2210
02:33:50.719 --> 02:33:52.840
kind of just pop one because I
know I can have one gummy. I

2211
02:33:52.879 --> 02:33:56.200
know the dosage, and I have
my coffee and I go home. And

2212
02:33:56.239 --> 02:34:01.280
as soon as I get home,
I'm like, why am I so hi?

2213
02:34:01.239 --> 02:34:07.079
And I look at that little box
and it's fifty Oh no. I

2214
02:34:07.159 --> 02:34:13.879
ten times dosed myself on Saturday.
Yes, because I thought the five fifty

2215
02:34:15.680 --> 02:34:20.799
that is like crawling out of my
sack skin. I know I would be

2216
02:34:20.200 --> 02:34:24.520
just standing on a roof firing a
pistol in the air with searchlights on me.

2217
02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:30.440
I had a little bit of a
panic, and I essentially I did

2218
02:34:30.440 --> 02:34:33.719
this thing where I was like,
I understand that now I cannot leave my

2219
02:34:33.760 --> 02:34:39.280
house because I'll have a panic attack. And I sat and played pick Them.

2220
02:34:39.719 --> 02:34:41.520
Oh, that's the best thing you
could have done there. Yeah,

2221
02:34:41.559 --> 02:34:46.120
And I got like really into pick
Them. I do think it's actually why

2222
02:34:46.159 --> 02:34:56.799
I was able one hundred percent over
games. I had a fifty mile so

2223
02:34:56.879 --> 02:35:01.680
that helped. It's true I did
actually connect those dots because I was like,

2224
02:35:03.319 --> 02:35:11.159
I I fucked over my brain and
I realized to me, everybody's different.

2225
02:35:11.239 --> 02:35:13.200
I'm not a doctor, e there, I'm a ding dong as well.

2226
02:35:13.159 --> 02:35:18.600
But the thing that was able to
cure my extreme anxiety and possibly the

2227
02:35:18.639 --> 02:35:24.079
ability of me to spiral that day
and freak out was to focus on a

2228
02:35:24.120 --> 02:35:28.079
game that required my concentration and it
it really does. It really does,

2229
02:35:28.159 --> 02:35:31.440
like you like we talked about earlier, like that seems like the perfect game

2230
02:35:31.559 --> 02:35:37.879
to do that with. Yes.
When I finally stopped being high, I

2231
02:35:37.920 --> 02:35:41.040
recognized that my throat was really dry, and I thought, this is probably

2232
02:35:41.159 --> 02:35:48.399
a result of my edible And it
turns out I was fucking sick. And

2233
02:35:48.559 --> 02:35:54.319
that's what happened. Like my body
came down and I became ill. The

2234
02:35:54.360 --> 02:36:01.680
next day, but I survived that
edible experience through pickment. Hell yeah,

2235
02:36:01.079 --> 02:36:05.879
anyway, maybe if you're feeling anxiety, play it. Even though I've already

2236
02:36:05.879 --> 02:36:09.239
one hundred percent of it. I
could totally see that being like I'm just

2237
02:36:09.239 --> 02:36:11.479
starting. You know, one and
two were on switch Now fuck that.

2238
02:36:11.600 --> 02:36:15.079
Maybe I'll get those downloaded and have
them at the ready, like in case

2239
02:36:15.120 --> 02:36:20.520
of panic while high break least just
in case. It was also a two

2240
02:36:20.559 --> 02:36:24.680
to one edible, so it was
fifty milligrams of THHC and it had CBD

2241
02:36:24.799 --> 02:36:26.840
as well, which had like a
really I had a nice body high,

2242
02:36:26.840 --> 02:36:31.280
which I think, Okay, that
does help. Yeah, what is Simo

2243
02:36:31.520 --> 02:36:35.399
doing? He's just staring into the
darkness behind me. A weird ass.

2244
02:36:35.479 --> 02:36:41.840
Dog's actually really creepy. Yeah,
doctor weird doing just waiting for you to

2245
02:36:41.840 --> 02:36:46.360
call him. Oh hi, I
didn't see you. I went into the

2246
02:36:46.360 --> 02:36:50.280
bed or bedroom a couple of days
ago. Bank was asleep. The dogs

2247
02:36:50.360 --> 02:36:52.799
ran there. They're usually in the
bed with her. I walk in,

2248
02:36:52.879 --> 02:36:54.479
I'm taking out of my watch,
I'm taking putting my phone on the thing.

2249
02:36:54.680 --> 02:36:58.959
All of a sudden, I heard
the closet door open, and I'm

2250
02:36:58.000 --> 02:37:01.879
like, what the fuck is going
on here. It's like right next to

2251
02:37:01.920 --> 02:37:05.120
me. He's like, who is
coming out of the closet. Razor had

2252
02:37:05.239 --> 02:37:07.879
apparently gone into the closet in the
middle of the night and must have like

2253
02:37:07.959 --> 02:37:13.360
shut the door behind I came in
there and what's up? And came out

2254
02:37:13.399 --> 02:37:22.280
of the closet. Damn. Dogs
are great. Yeah, what is she?

2255
02:37:22.280 --> 02:37:28.120
She's grabbing him. It's uh,
he's wander up there. It looks

2256
02:37:28.159 --> 02:37:30.760
like he might have been getting prepped
for a walk. He's wearing his reflective

2257
02:37:30.959 --> 02:37:35.959
coat. I love it. Dogs
wearing clothes is very funny. Loaf,

2258
02:37:35.079 --> 02:37:43.319
look at that loaf. It's up
God. Patreon video watchers see a dog.

2259
02:37:43.959 --> 02:37:50.079
I think he's just, you know, dog depressed. No, was

2260
02:37:50.120 --> 02:37:52.399
he getting ready for a walk?
It looks like just come back from one.

2261
02:37:54.360 --> 02:37:58.559
Okay that this is from noon and
I I didn't take it off.

2262
02:38:00.040 --> 02:38:07.680
Okay, look at hey man,
Hey she mom? Buddy, Hey buddy,

2263
02:38:07.760 --> 02:38:15.159
hey, you can't hear you put
headphones on that dog? Okay,

2264
02:38:16.840 --> 02:38:22.040
hey, hey, won't you?
Yeah buddy, buddy, Oh yeah,

2265
02:38:22.079 --> 02:38:26.520
buddy, you know what you want? A ready way buddy? Oh oh

2266
02:38:26.600 --> 02:38:31.200
yeah, yeah, buddy, Yeah
buddy, buddy, hight buddy, buddy,

2267
02:38:31.200 --> 02:38:39.079
boo, you wish I was a
dog. It seems like a good

2268
02:38:39.159 --> 02:38:48.200
leg uncomfortable. Don't worry about weed
and anxiety. They're so fucking stupid And

2269
02:38:48.360 --> 02:38:52.000
like, man, Gizmo just just
given ice cube. He's the happiest he'll

2270
02:38:52.000 --> 02:38:56.479
be in his entire life. My
dog gets weird. My God gets mad

2271
02:38:56.520 --> 02:39:01.680
depressed sometimes if I if I'm too
busy. Simung goes on a w every

2272
02:39:03.040 --> 02:39:07.959
day, usually around noon, and
if I'm too busy and my meetings go

2273
02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:11.920
along, he will go into the
basement and stare at a wall in the

2274
02:39:11.040 --> 02:39:24.719
dark. That's awesome from the end
of the Blair Witch Project in the corner,

2275
02:39:24.120 --> 02:39:28.600
the guy just shaking the corner.
Gizmo saws take a toy out of

2276
02:39:28.600 --> 02:39:33.159
a cabinet in the laundry room once
and if we can't find Gizmo, we're

2277
02:39:33.159 --> 02:39:35.319
like looking all over the house for
him. It's like, oh fuck,

2278
02:39:35.399 --> 02:39:37.280
is he in the linder of room? And he'll be sitting in the londery

2279
02:39:37.360 --> 02:39:39.319
room just staring at a cabinet.
He's not a toy in once It's like,

2280
02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:43.959
okay, of course, yeah,
Scarlett saw like a mark on this

2281
02:39:43.040 --> 02:39:46.920
big armor mirror we have in the
bedroom, like two days ago, and

2282
02:39:46.959 --> 02:39:52.040
she's been like sitting loafing on the
floor staring up at it ever since.

2283
02:39:52.479 --> 02:39:58.559
I wish I had that focus and
concentration. They're better than us. Yep,

2284
02:39:58.680 --> 02:40:01.639
we don't deserve them. All right, Well, thanks again, Adam.

2285
02:40:01.760 --> 02:40:03.799
You've got our email to respond in. All right, I got a

2286
02:40:03.840 --> 02:40:07.879
game question here, Dan. I'll
read this one so you can do this

2287
02:40:07.920 --> 02:40:11.200
last one, which is specifically addressed
to you. All right, Hey,

2288
02:40:11.200 --> 02:40:16.000
fire Escapers, what's one game you
will never uninstall from your PC or console?

2289
02:40:16.479 --> 02:40:20.840
For me, it's Halo Master Chief
Collection. So much content and installagi

2290
02:40:20.879 --> 02:40:24.360
and fun. I go back to
it every few months. Thanks Jesse from

2291
02:40:24.360 --> 02:40:28.239
Saint Louis. It's a great choice, my Chief Collection. Yeah, I

2292
02:40:28.280 --> 02:40:33.680
have PT. I can't uninstall it
or I'll lose it. Is one that

2293
02:40:33.719 --> 02:40:37.319
I will keep forever. I usually
keep Rocket League installed because I genuinely will

2294
02:40:37.319 --> 02:40:41.840
play it every Well, I haven't
played it in a couple months, but

2295
02:40:41.920 --> 02:40:43.799
I usually play it at least a
couple times a year with my friends,

2296
02:40:45.440 --> 02:40:50.120
which is just just a lovely,
memorable game that I can pick up at

2297
02:40:50.120 --> 02:40:56.680
any time. We've talked about this
many times for a long time. Mine

2298
02:40:56.719 --> 02:41:00.239
was Warframe I finally just got rid
of it because I was playing it a

2299
02:41:00.280 --> 02:41:09.479
lot PC though I cannot foresee ever
for the first see of a future on

2300
02:41:09.559 --> 02:41:13.520
installing Warhammer three with how much game
there is there and how often I go

2301
02:41:13.600 --> 02:41:16.920
back to it, and they are
billions. They are billions. Is like

2302
02:41:16.959 --> 02:41:20.440
my anxious I need to play our
real time strategy game about turtling and have

2303
02:41:20.520 --> 02:41:24.360
control over something that is my Like
things are overwhelming, I'm going to go

2304
02:41:24.399 --> 02:41:31.920
play this game. I'd say like
Xbox uh, probably the first Soul Caliber

2305
02:41:31.079 --> 02:41:35.399
I bet HG or the XBLA Soul
Calber, Like that's just like my favorite

2306
02:41:35.399 --> 02:41:37.959
fighting game ever. And I'm not
even a big fighting game guy. It's

2307
02:41:37.959 --> 02:41:43.239
just anytime I'm playing Soul Caliber,
I love it. On Switch, I

2308
02:41:43.280 --> 02:41:48.479
would say Mario Kart eight Deluxe,
because that is just such a like if

2309
02:41:48.479 --> 02:41:50.799
you just seen a mindless thing to
play, it's always gonna be fun.

2310
02:41:50.799 --> 02:41:54.479
If you've got friends over, everyone
fucking loves Mario Kart. There they still

2311
02:41:54.520 --> 02:41:58.600
put out new DLC stuff like in
the last week. It just seems like

2312
02:41:58.600 --> 02:42:01.639
a no brain You're like, I
be able to have a one game on

2313
02:42:01.680 --> 02:42:05.639
your switch, it would probably be
that. So my switch is Smash Bros.

2314
02:42:05.719 --> 02:42:07.559
Ultimate. I haven't done solid since
I got it. I don't think

2315
02:42:07.879 --> 02:42:16.840
mine's hollow night. Yeah, shut
the fuck up, stupid face. I

2316
02:42:18.040 --> 02:42:20.040
nodded. I was like, oh
cool, I'm glad you like that.

2317
02:42:20.360 --> 02:42:26.000
It's going to happen one day.
They're going to just randomly announce Silk Song

2318
02:42:26.040 --> 02:42:28.719
and a release date while we're recording. And you're not going to believe me

2319
02:42:28.719 --> 02:42:31.920
when I'm like mary go on Twitter
they announced, I'll explode every time.

2320
02:42:31.959 --> 02:42:35.280
It's really funny because every time Nintendo
has any kind of like update, which

2321
02:42:35.280 --> 02:42:37.840
they did this week, anytime they
have like a we're gonna do a little

2322
02:42:37.000 --> 02:42:43.680
couple announcements, world, Twitter will
explode with just little Silk Song clowns because

2323
02:42:43.680 --> 02:42:46.920
everybody is like, they're not gonna
fucking we're all we all want it and

2324
02:42:46.920 --> 02:42:50.879
they won't announce it and they just
make us look like total dorks. Yeah

2325
02:42:50.920 --> 02:42:56.840
you are, I know. Yeah, It's like I'm trying to think there's

2326
02:42:56.840 --> 02:43:03.719
probably one I'm missing, like on
Xbox. Yeah, for a while,

2327
02:43:03.719 --> 02:43:09.799
it is war Frame. Most mind
that I will never uninstall our PC just

2328
02:43:09.879 --> 02:43:16.360
because like their strategy games like Command
and Conquer or something. Yeah, but

2329
02:43:16.440 --> 02:43:20.959
like PlayStation five. You know what
PlayStation five. I since I got my

2330
02:43:20.000 --> 02:43:24.319
PS five, I had not uninstalled
Red Dead Redemption two. Every once in

2331
02:43:24.360 --> 02:43:28.600
a while I still go back into
it and just kind of get my multiplayer

2332
02:43:28.639 --> 02:43:31.200
character. Also, it's just a
big game to download, so I think

2333
02:43:31.200 --> 02:43:33.479
that probably plays a part. I
don't want to wait for it to redownload,

2334
02:43:33.520 --> 02:43:37.840
but I'll just like, you know, get my character wander around.

2335
02:43:37.920 --> 02:43:45.520
That's just a very calming wilderness to
go explore. It's up there. But

2336
02:43:45.559 --> 02:43:48.879
thank you, Jesse Damn. This
last one is specifically for you. It's

2337
02:43:48.879 --> 02:43:52.120
also kind of Giant Bomb related,
and also for people who don't know what

2338
02:43:52.159 --> 02:43:56.239
they're referencing, please explain, because
what a weird fever dream of a show

2339
02:43:56.280 --> 02:44:03.239
that was? Okay, I was
watching best of Giant Bomb on Shuffle?

2340
02:44:03.440 --> 02:44:07.760
Was Dan actually mad? Parentheses?
Sad? At the end of burgle My

2341
02:44:07.799 --> 02:44:13.799
Bananas. That's a Joe from Finland. Okay, so burgle My Bananas.

2342
02:44:13.719 --> 02:44:18.120
I remember when you announced that show. I'm very proud of that show.

2343
02:44:18.280 --> 02:44:22.840
First of all, great title for
a show. It's great follow up to

2344
02:44:22.840 --> 02:44:26.319
Steal My Sunshine, which is Marius
Sunshine one. The concept of what the

2345
02:44:26.319 --> 02:44:30.159
fuck was it? Was the four
of us playing, and we traded off,

2346
02:44:30.200 --> 02:44:35.200
and we had the most convoluted way
of earning banana tokens or something that

2347
02:44:35.239 --> 02:44:37.840
we could buy stuff from the Funky
I love how you're asking me you designed

2348
02:44:37.879 --> 02:44:41.120
it all. Yeah, I know, but I also have no memory.

2349
02:44:41.120 --> 02:44:43.879
I just remember being very funny to
me. Here's what I remember. I

2350
02:44:43.920 --> 02:44:48.399
remember announcing it in a glittery jacket
every time, and then let's go to

2351
02:44:48.399 --> 02:44:50.280
the Funky Shop and then taking two
minutes to try to get my chair out

2352
02:44:50.280 --> 02:44:54.520
of the way in that tiny fucking
room to get the punky shop and frame.

2353
02:44:54.440 --> 02:44:58.440
I don't remember how any of the
currency worked. I don't remember.

2354
02:44:58.440 --> 02:45:03.040
The Wednesday was we actually he shipped
the sixty four to Antarctica, which is

2355
02:45:03.159 --> 02:45:05.000
very com funny to me. Yeah, yeah it was. It was Vinnie,

2356
02:45:05.120 --> 02:45:11.680
you, Me, and Abby.
And the idea was that because Navara

2357
02:45:11.719 --> 02:45:15.079
wanted no part of it, yeah, he had the foresight to opt out,

2358
02:45:16.639 --> 02:45:18.520
and the idea was, yeah,
that we would just we had these

2359
02:45:18.600 --> 02:45:22.719
random every time we got a banana
in the game, which is if you've

2360
02:45:22.719 --> 02:45:24.920
not played Donkey Kong sixty four,
that's the equivalent of like the Star from

2361
02:45:26.079 --> 02:45:31.200
n sixty four or the wonderful,
the shine and Shine. Yeah, yeah,

2362
02:45:31.280 --> 02:45:33.719
yeah. Anytime we got one of
those, there were several criteria for

2363
02:45:33.840 --> 02:45:37.559
any time we reached them, we
would go spin the wheel, which then

2364
02:45:37.760 --> 02:45:43.079
like gave us a new prop to
wear, wheel to eat or did we

2365
02:45:43.120 --> 02:45:46.120
just play? Wasn't a virtual wheel? It was a real wheel behind you.

2366
02:45:46.120 --> 02:45:48.520
You made the wheel, didn't you. I thought we did a virtual

2367
02:45:48.559 --> 02:45:52.879
thing. No, I'm pretty sure
it was a real thing you made and

2368
02:45:52.920 --> 02:45:54.399
brought in, because yes, you
had the You said, let's go to

2369
02:45:54.440 --> 02:45:58.319
the funky shop. You set up
like a tiki bar behind you. No,

2370
02:45:58.399 --> 02:46:01.600
I set up the funky shop.
I think I was virtual. I

2371
02:46:01.639 --> 02:46:07.360
think i'sing a lot of this too. Then I what a weird period of

2372
02:46:07.399 --> 02:46:13.239
my life. I don't know anymore. The Funky Shop is definitely real.

2373
02:46:13.000 --> 02:46:16.760
Well, so yo, yeah,
yeah I made that. Yeah I wish

2374
02:46:16.840 --> 02:46:20.399
I wish I still had that.
Uh so, wait, Mike, maybe

2375
02:46:20.399 --> 02:46:22.920
you remember like asking if I was
mad or sad at the end? What

2376
02:46:24.040 --> 02:46:28.319
happened at the other All I remember
is sending a Nintendo sixty four day Antarctica,

2377
02:46:28.399 --> 02:46:31.639
which I was thrilled about. Like
I remember taking that to the FedEx

2378
02:46:31.719 --> 02:46:35.799
store in Midtown and being like,
can you send this jungle green sixty four

2379
02:46:35.920 --> 02:46:39.360
day Antarctica? I remember being like
I had a lot of fun with this.

2380
02:46:39.360 --> 02:46:41.600
This was this was like one of
the weirder things we've done. I'm

2381
02:46:41.639 --> 02:46:45.360
gonna miss this. You did.
You did like a farewell speech for sure.

2382
02:46:45.399 --> 02:46:48.959
What happened that would make me mad
or sad? I don't think you

2383
02:46:50.079 --> 02:46:52.760
being mad. I remember you maybe
because we kind of ended it. The

2384
02:46:52.799 --> 02:46:56.920
intent was to keep going, I
think, and then the intent I think

2385
02:46:58.000 --> 02:47:01.440
was to get the point was the
game sucked and we were trying to like

2386
02:47:01.479 --> 02:47:05.879
earn enough points to send it to
Antarctica so we never had to think about

2387
02:47:05.879 --> 02:47:09.040
it again. Like that was the
whole point, right, yeah. Yeah,

2388
02:47:09.079 --> 02:47:11.319
So like that thing, and you
can be honest with me here,

2389
02:47:11.600 --> 02:47:13.760
is this a me thing? Is
this a problem? Because like I've seen

2390
02:47:13.760 --> 02:47:16.559
this pop up plenty of times where
it's like I feel like maybe I'm just

2391
02:47:16.680 --> 02:47:20.719
wrestle brained too much, or it's
like I'm constantly like, oh, you

2392
02:47:20.760 --> 02:47:22.280
got you gotta play things up and
you got to like, oh, heal

2393
02:47:22.319 --> 02:47:24.319
it up, and then you gotta
sell it when you lose and stuff.

2394
02:47:24.479 --> 02:47:28.360
So like I've seen people like at
the end of a live Mario party we

2395
02:47:28.399 --> 02:47:31.719
did. Drew Scanalon beat me and
I did a thing where I took my

2396
02:47:31.719 --> 02:47:33.799
earpiece out and I've got off stage, and you know, I'm like,

2397
02:47:33.840 --> 02:47:37.840
after being like the biggest shit he'll
ever for like four hours and then the

2398
02:47:37.079 --> 02:47:41.079
uld baby face Drew Scalon wins and
I'm selling like, ah, I'm throwing

2399
02:47:41.120 --> 02:47:43.079
a tantrum. And I've seen people
be like, oh, it's hard for

2400
02:47:43.120 --> 02:47:46.520
me to watch Mario Party five because
you know, like I could tell Dan

2401
02:47:46.639 --> 02:47:50.479
was really struggling at the end,
and I'm thinking, like, do people

2402
02:47:50.559 --> 02:47:56.079
just do I Am I just assuming
people are getting like wrestling things or is

2403
02:47:56.079 --> 02:48:00.200
it like somebody just not reading that. I'm obviously like putting on like I'm

2404
02:48:00.200 --> 02:48:03.440
playing the bad guy and then selling
the You're a good seller. I think

2405
02:48:03.479 --> 02:48:11.000
you really do sell people on your
anger or your sadness or you're being a

2406
02:48:11.040 --> 02:48:16.280
dickhead. I've bought it before.
I don't know if I've ever been actually

2407
02:48:16.360 --> 02:48:22.680
angry well on a podcast or a
stream. There might be I think part

2408
02:48:22.680 --> 02:48:28.120
of that might be a misunderstanding of
on the viewer's part of like not understanding

2409
02:48:28.120 --> 02:48:30.600
your job or what's really going on. Like I think it might be a

2410
02:48:30.600 --> 02:48:35.000
parasocial thing. They think that everything
they're seeing is authentic. You sure,

2411
02:48:35.399 --> 02:48:41.000
So maybe that's it because I've definitely
done things on like GameSpot or fire Escape

2412
02:48:41.200 --> 02:48:43.879
and then I see people reacting to
something I said or how I was talking

2413
02:48:43.920 --> 02:48:48.879
about it, and they're like completely
went over their head that I was,

2414
02:48:50.319 --> 02:48:54.000
you know, playing it up,
and they just can't like read that like

2415
02:48:54.799 --> 02:48:58.479
I think, like so often,
especially on fire Escape. That's where I'm

2416
02:49:00.319 --> 02:49:03.159
We've talked about this before. I'm
pretty authentic on Fireescape. I'm not.

2417
02:49:03.600 --> 02:49:07.639
I'm never straight up like lying about
shit, but there are certain times.

2418
02:49:07.639 --> 02:49:11.360
There are definitely times, certainly where
I'm amping up the mic so to speak,

2419
02:49:11.399 --> 02:49:15.000
for a bit exactly. Yeah,
we're all being authentic, but I

2420
02:49:15.040 --> 02:49:18.239
think sometimes I will ramp stuff up
and then people will be like, oh,

2421
02:49:18.360 --> 02:49:22.040
like, I guess Mike is actually
like I didn't realize this was a

2422
02:49:22.079 --> 02:49:24.319
side of him. I'm like,
well, it's not. But I'm doing

2423
02:49:24.319 --> 02:49:30.200
it at the microphones and cameras in
front of our faces. We're doing a

2424
02:49:30.319 --> 02:49:37.000
show. But yeah, Dan,
you said that you've never actually been mad

2425
02:49:37.040 --> 02:49:39.040
in a podcast ever, and then
you said, well, yeah, then

2426
02:49:39.079 --> 02:49:43.479
I thought even recently, yes,
there is one context in which I definitely

2427
02:49:43.559 --> 02:49:48.760
am mad, and it's happened several
times on stream in the last few weeks,

2428
02:49:48.120 --> 02:49:54.239
and that is if I am dealing
with production issues now that I am,

2429
02:49:54.479 --> 02:49:58.200
you know, as I'm trying.
That's the thing, Like I'm still

2430
02:49:58.280 --> 02:50:00.719
fairly new to this. I kind
of started doing this in the pandemic.

2431
02:50:00.799 --> 02:50:03.920
And there's shit where it's like if
you saw men streaming with KLA last weekend,

2432
02:50:03.120 --> 02:50:05.680
and it's like, why the fuck
doesn't the volume on my TV work

2433
02:50:05.719 --> 02:50:09.120
anymore? Or why isn't this game
capture card showing up as a source in

2434
02:50:09.159 --> 02:50:13.639
OBS anymore? Like, and I've
got a fucking extra life stream that I

2435
02:50:13.680 --> 02:50:18.680
am have to host and play and
literally host people in my house and stream

2436
02:50:18.760 --> 02:50:20.879
this out and raise it like there's
a lot on my shoulders. And when

2437
02:50:20.959 --> 02:50:24.879
like something is happening where it's like
why the fuck isn't this capture card showing

2438
02:50:24.959 --> 02:50:28.040
up or whatever? Like that is
legitimate, Like that's not an entertainment thing.

2439
02:50:28.319 --> 02:50:31.680
If it was, that'd be shitty
entertainment because like me just getting frustrated

2440
02:50:31.719 --> 02:50:35.479
at tech is not like a funny
bit or anything like that. So like

2441
02:50:35.520 --> 02:50:41.120
that that is earnest me being upset, me being pissed off, being disappointed

2442
02:50:41.120 --> 02:50:43.920
because it's like, goddamn it,
this should be working, and I don't

2443
02:50:43.959 --> 02:50:46.799
understand why that's you verse tech,
that's not interpersonal stuff, which I think

2444
02:50:46.840 --> 02:50:48.920
people don't know how to read sometimes. Well, yeah, there was a

2445
02:50:50.000 --> 02:50:52.760
moment at Giant Bone with Vinnie,
and like me and Vinnie always got along

2446
02:50:52.799 --> 02:50:56.040
great, and we still do.
You know, there's never any problems there.

2447
02:50:56.399 --> 02:50:58.760
And we were playing Fusion Frenzy once
and like whenever I've said this before

2448
02:51:00.000 --> 02:51:01.959
and how I don't know, I'm
not actually competitive, but I don't actually

2449
02:51:01.959 --> 02:51:03.840
get mad or anything like that.
Well, there's the time you threw a

2450
02:51:03.959 --> 02:51:09.559
pennant Benny. You got madiffusion printing
through a penn at Benny. It's like,

2451
02:51:09.879 --> 02:51:13.040
again, yes, we're playing a
dumb ass party game and some bullshit

2452
02:51:13.079 --> 02:51:16.799
happened, like oh you better me
and I threw a pen against the wall

2453
02:51:16.799 --> 02:51:18.920
behind his head and be like no, no, you must have forgotten about

2454
02:51:18.920 --> 02:51:22.319
that time you were furious and threw
a pin at his face. What are

2455
02:51:22.360 --> 02:51:26.840
you talking about? Like, I
just it's it's crazy to me when people

2456
02:51:26.920 --> 02:51:31.440
can't tell that. It's just like, this is we're doing a show,

2457
02:51:31.680 --> 02:51:35.319
I think people get get so it's
it's one of those things. It's like

2458
02:51:35.360 --> 02:51:37.799
a double sided coin because on the
one hand, it's flattering that people decide

2459
02:51:37.840 --> 02:51:43.079
to spend this much time watching something
or listening to something. On the other

2460
02:51:43.120 --> 02:51:48.239
hand, I think it can be
difficult for people not to get pilled into

2461
02:51:48.280 --> 02:51:52.079
thinking that everything they're seeing is authentic
you, and they think that is you,

2462
02:51:52.120 --> 02:51:52.799
and if they were to hang out
with you at a bar, that's

2463
02:51:52.799 --> 02:51:56.000
exactly how you would be. Yeah, and again, we're all authentic here,

2464
02:51:56.000 --> 02:52:00.840
but we definitely amp up certain aspects
of our personality for energyment or just

2465
02:52:01.120 --> 02:52:03.920
honestly, for me, it's to
make YouTube laugh. Anyone on a show

2466
02:52:03.920 --> 02:52:07.959
where even like not even like a
podcasting thing, in a social situation with

2467
02:52:07.000 --> 02:52:11.239
your friends, he plays stuff up
you Like if I was playing Mario Party

2468
02:52:11.319 --> 02:52:15.600
with my sisters with no cameras on
Growing Up, You're gonna act mad when

2469
02:52:15.639 --> 02:52:18.000
someone steals your star. You're gonna
like, you know, that's you're just

2470
02:52:18.000 --> 02:52:20.399
getting into it, you know,
Like I just that's it's so foreign to

2471
02:52:20.440 --> 02:52:24.440
me, and I just wonder if
it's like I'm just so fucking yeah wrestling

2472
02:52:26.239 --> 02:52:28.639
brain, you know, like I'm
fucked up to a point where it's goes

2473
02:52:28.719 --> 02:52:33.479
but such a good actor, that
is not the case. I think my

2474
02:52:33.479 --> 02:52:37.600
my sense of humor, and then
my friends, many of whom you've met

2475
02:52:37.639 --> 02:52:43.319
recently, half of our sense of
humor was very much based on like putting

2476
02:52:43.319 --> 02:52:46.600
on an act to fuck with other
people. Yeah, but they gotten so

2477
02:52:46.719 --> 02:52:50.159
used to it that they know that
most of anytime I'm showing any intense emotion,

2478
02:52:50.680 --> 02:52:54.840
odds are, it's a bit yeah. Yeah, people who know me

2479
02:52:54.959 --> 02:52:58.000
know when I'm truly mad. You
two can tell when I'm truly mad.

2480
02:52:58.079 --> 02:53:03.000
I don't think it's happened, but
there were definitely times when I've been like

2481
02:53:03.879 --> 02:53:07.479
pissed at a specific person when you
guys could tell it's mad. But like,

2482
02:53:07.959 --> 02:53:13.319
it's almost never on air. Odds
are on air, I'm just playing

2483
02:53:13.559 --> 02:53:16.200
something up. Well. That's the
thing too that I think people don't get

2484
02:53:16.319 --> 02:53:20.920
is like if we actually did get
mad during a podcast recording or during a

2485
02:53:20.959 --> 02:53:24.399
stream, it wouldn't play out in
a way where you would hear it.

2486
02:53:24.399 --> 02:53:26.280
It would be a thing where you'd
kind of bite your lip and be like,

2487
02:53:26.280 --> 02:53:28.120
all right, we got to talk
about this afterwards or something. But

2488
02:53:28.120 --> 02:53:33.159
even that's rare. But it wouldn't
be a thing where a podcast like that's

2489
02:53:33.200 --> 02:53:35.239
not fucking you would do that.
Yeah, there's producers who would cut the

2490
02:53:35.239 --> 02:53:39.360
feed at some point if something bad
enough. Yeah yeah, yeah, but

2491
02:53:39.360 --> 02:53:41.680
it was an actual problem you're talking
for the show or something like that,

2492
02:53:41.680 --> 02:53:45.440
but like that doesn't really happen,
So yeah, I yeah, maybe I

2493
02:53:45.280 --> 02:53:48.920
I worry that I make too many
assumptions about like, oh, well,

2494
02:53:48.959 --> 02:53:52.360
this is obvious when maybe it's not
obvious to people. You know. I

2495
02:53:52.360 --> 02:53:58.200
think as long as you are feeling
good about the relationships that you have,

2496
02:53:58.319 --> 02:54:03.559
that's like ultimately the most important thing. And I've never genuinely been furious with

2497
02:54:03.639 --> 02:54:11.159
you. I've frustrated, but I
don't think I've ever been mad once in

2498
02:54:11.200 --> 02:54:16.760
the last couple of years where Dan
has sincerely pissed me off. Oh this

2499
02:54:16.840 --> 02:54:20.360
is fun. No, it's pretty
simple and it happened quickly. It was

2500
02:54:22.200 --> 02:54:26.959
no no, no, no,
no uh one of the I think honestly

2501
02:54:26.000 --> 02:54:31.000
it was the meetup last no,
not the it was game of the year.

2502
02:54:31.200 --> 02:54:35.600
Yeah, last year. We were
here in New York before we went

2503
02:54:35.760 --> 02:54:39.239
up to Connecticut. When you ate
the cat nep no, no, no,

2504
02:54:39.239 --> 02:54:41.959
no. That was funny because it's
at your apartment. Yes, I

2505
02:54:43.000 --> 02:54:46.719
live on a fourth floor walk up. By this, I'm in the clear

2506
02:54:46.799 --> 02:54:52.479
here. This is great for a
fourth floor walk up. Video of them

2507
02:54:52.520 --> 02:54:56.479
going up four flights and we're climbing
up the stairs to get to my apartment

2508
02:54:56.559 --> 02:54:58.000
and I'm in front and Dan's behind
me. And what were you doing?

2509
02:54:58.079 --> 02:55:03.079
Were you grabbing? It was every
time you stepped, I was grabbing your

2510
02:55:03.120 --> 02:55:05.840
ankle. That was about to step
three time. Impossible for you to walk

2511
02:55:05.920 --> 02:55:11.719
up. I think there, let's
say there's sixteen stairs per flight, let's

2512
02:55:11.719 --> 02:55:15.840
step for there are sixty four steps. I got pissed by the end of

2513
02:55:15.920 --> 02:55:18.360
floor too. I was like Dan, that's actually annoying me. And then

2514
02:55:18.440 --> 02:55:22.399
you kept doing it for the next
two flights, and I'm like Dan,

2515
02:55:22.879 --> 02:55:26.959
I can't explain. I cannot overstate
how pissed I am right now and how

2516
02:55:26.040 --> 02:55:30.959
much is annoying you or me.
That's the only time I can recall where

2517
02:55:30.959 --> 02:55:31.879
I was like Dan. Like later
that night, I was like Dan,

2518
02:55:31.959 --> 02:55:37.440
that actually like it was. I
was heated and you I would do it

2519
02:55:37.479 --> 02:55:41.239
again. I would do it again
million years, get like physical again.

2520
02:55:41.840 --> 02:55:46.120
But I truly cannot imagine this situation
where I would actually like, haul off

2521
02:55:46.120 --> 02:55:48.319
and punch you in the face.
Oh, but that was the closest you've

2522
02:55:48.319 --> 02:55:52.760
got, Even though the gulf between
that and me actually punching you was still

2523
02:55:52.879 --> 02:55:56.680
very wide. You got close.
I do that to Kayla. I do

2524
02:55:56.760 --> 02:55:58.799
that to Kayla. I only do
it with the people I'm closest with.

2525
02:55:58.920 --> 02:56:01.440
And I do it to Kayla and
she this fucking donkey kicked me in the

2526
02:56:01.520 --> 02:56:03.079
chest on a staircase. So I
don't want to do that though, because

2527
02:56:03.079 --> 02:56:05.680
these are steep, like the curve. I was like, you would get

2528
02:56:05.719 --> 02:56:11.520
hurt. I think you know that
I'm never going to do that on those

2529
02:56:11.520 --> 02:56:13.760
stairs, So you keep doing it
or you've done it that once. I

2530
02:56:13.799 --> 02:56:16.840
was like, I got upstairs and
like Amanda was like, you're actually mad

2531
02:56:16.879 --> 02:56:20.280
at you. I was like,
yes, but you weren't mad when he

2532
02:56:22.040 --> 02:56:26.600
drug you by your feet and then
turns on the ice dispenser of the fridge

2533
02:56:26.639 --> 02:56:31.959
with your feet. Wait when what? Yeah, I took I took you.

2534
02:56:31.040 --> 02:56:33.600
We were all very drunk. I
took your foot. You were laying

2535
02:56:33.639 --> 02:56:37.120
on the ground or something, and
I grabbed your foot and I shoved it

2536
02:56:37.120 --> 02:56:43.200
into the ice thing. That's funny. That's really funny, Mary, didn't

2537
02:56:43.239 --> 02:56:46.040
you get the video of that?
I have video of everything. Where can

2538
02:56:46.079 --> 02:56:50.319
you send me that video? That
was funny because that was the night Dan

2539
02:56:50.479 --> 02:56:54.559
was eating the skittles off the counter
with his mouth that too, and Bunk

2540
02:56:54.760 --> 02:57:01.639
is in the background talking about why
it's weird to wipe a certain way the

2541
02:57:01.719 --> 02:57:05.280
fall hike. Yeah, and no, most Dan does like the worst stuff

2542
02:57:05.360 --> 02:57:09.360
in the videos. We're going,
what are you talking about? You're doing

2543
02:57:09.440 --> 02:57:16.639
it wrong? Yeah, No,
most of the stuff you've done to me,

2544
02:57:16.799 --> 02:57:20.520
Dan, I've like, see I
when I'm the like butt of the

2545
02:57:20.600 --> 02:57:24.879
joke, I will be laughing harder
than anybody. You handle it well.

2546
02:57:26.799 --> 02:57:31.200
I think I'm very good now at
identifying who would be funny and fun to

2547
02:57:31.319 --> 02:57:35.159
fuck with like to an insane degree, and who would be friends with you

2548
02:57:35.200 --> 02:57:37.520
if you can't be fucked with a
little bit. The flatiring thing, it

2549
02:57:37.559 --> 02:57:41.000
wasn't flat tired, but that was
like something I don't know what, maybe

2550
02:57:41.159 --> 02:57:46.280
like anything involving my it's not my
ankles, though. You dragged me by

2551
02:57:46.280 --> 02:57:48.680
my ankles to the ice dispenser,
and that was funny. It must have

2552
02:57:48.760 --> 02:57:52.040
been just like the thought that you
were about to trip me, like sixty

2553
02:57:52.040 --> 02:57:56.159
four times going upstairs. It seems
like an annoying way to walk upstairs.

2554
02:57:56.399 --> 02:58:01.319
But like and then that like my, my, my communication like hiccups get

2555
02:58:01.600 --> 02:58:05.079
come into play. Because I remember
stopping on like the third floor and turning

2556
02:58:05.079 --> 02:58:09.440
to you. I was like,
Dan, I know we fuck with each

2557
02:58:09.479 --> 02:58:13.479
other. We have one more flight
to go to my apartment. Please,

2558
02:58:13.159 --> 02:58:18.399
this is pissing me off. And
then lo and behold you start doing it

2559
02:58:18.440 --> 02:58:22.399
again, and I had to,
like, I forget. I definitely wasn't

2560
02:58:22.440 --> 02:58:26.159
like clan clandestine, like telling Amanda
I'm really kissed. It was more like

2561
02:58:26.239 --> 02:58:28.879
she's like, you're actually mad.
Art was like yes, And I think

2562
02:58:28.920 --> 02:58:31.319
I had to go back and like
pet one of my cats for like five

2563
02:58:31.360 --> 02:58:35.920
minutes to calm down. I gotta
go pet my cat. Oh, I'll

2564
02:58:35.920 --> 02:58:39.719
stand by that one. That's do
it again, Like you've shoved the cat

2565
02:58:39.719 --> 02:58:43.559
treats in my mouth. That was
funny. I wasn't expecting that. Yeah,

2566
02:58:43.600 --> 02:58:46.120
you've done a lot. But uh
but yeah, Mary, if you

2567
02:58:46.159 --> 02:58:48.520
have that ice suspenser thing, send
it to me because that I have it,

2568
02:58:48.639 --> 02:58:52.040
I have it somewhere. I'll find
it. I also Instagram, but

2569
02:58:52.200 --> 02:58:58.840
like it's literally an Instagram story.
Oh, yeah. Uh put that back

2570
02:58:58.840 --> 02:59:07.559
on the firescape Instagram. Okay,
oh well, thank you Joam, Yeah,

2571
02:59:07.600 --> 02:59:11.520
thank you. Land of Alan Wake. Oh is that what he was

2572
02:59:11.520 --> 02:59:18.120
saying Finland? Oh it said it
said something else here? Oh oh that

2573
02:59:18.239 --> 02:59:22.760
Landed thing. Oh I don't know. Just Alan has been there. Yeap

2574
02:59:22.280 --> 02:59:26.879
Remedy's there, which is funny because
Poets of the Fall are Finish the band

2575
02:59:28.280 --> 02:59:31.840
in the games Old Gods of Asgar
are technically Swedish, but they're played by

2576
02:59:31.840 --> 02:59:35.920
a Finnish band. But there's also
the young version and the old versions.

2577
02:59:35.479 --> 02:59:41.120
Yeah, yep, good music.
Watch watch those music videos. Watch that

2578
02:59:41.159 --> 02:59:45.840
clip that Sam Lake posted today,
and pay attention to Warrendor's face. While

2579
02:59:45.879 --> 02:59:48.959
like Sam and the guy playing Allen
are like being a bit more serious and

2580
02:59:50.040 --> 02:59:54.360
like deadpan, He's just like,
uh, I try to pull this up?

2581
02:59:54.479 --> 02:59:56.920
What is like his He's retweeting a
lot of Alan Wake love right now.

2582
02:59:58.159 --> 03:00:03.319
I posted slack for probably let me
find it. I'll put in our

2583
03:00:03.319 --> 03:00:07.040
discord. Yeah. Yeah. In
the meantime, everybody, thank you so

2584
03:00:07.120 --> 03:00:11.959
much for joining again. Before we
sign off, got a few fun things

2585
03:00:11.959 --> 03:00:16.120
coming up December sixteenth. If you're
not already subscribed to Dan's Twitch channel,

2586
03:00:16.159 --> 03:00:18.959
Twitch, dot tv slash Dan Riikert, that's where we will be doing it

2587
03:00:20.040 --> 03:00:22.760
live. We will get back to
you with specific times. We'll put that

2588
03:00:22.799 --> 03:00:26.360
on our social channels and or Dan, do you do we you have a

2589
03:00:26.760 --> 03:00:31.479
the evening. We haven't talked about
it like I would say central time,

2590
03:00:33.520 --> 03:00:37.280
you know, seven eight around that
general time frame. We'll get some dinner

2591
03:00:37.360 --> 03:00:41.879
or something and then we'll go live, so roughly around seven or eight on

2592
03:00:41.920 --> 03:00:48.840
that Saturday, the eighteenth, and
that will be live on Dan's Twitch channel,

2593
03:00:48.879 --> 03:00:54.520
and then we will put the VOD
on the fire Escape Past YouTube channel.

2594
03:00:54.520 --> 03:00:56.280
If you're not already subscribed there,
go do that. That's also where

2595
03:00:56.280 --> 03:01:01.120
Mary and I put up Resident Evil
we Fingers. We'll have a new episode

2596
03:01:01.239 --> 03:01:03.559
very soon, or rather we will
have one up, a new one up

2597
03:01:03.639 --> 03:01:09.319
by the time this episode is up
on our channels, but go there so

2598
03:01:09.479 --> 03:01:11.159
if you can't make the live show
or you can only see bits and pieces

2599
03:01:11.159 --> 03:01:15.399
of it, that'll be up on
our YouTube channel, and then we'll also

2600
03:01:15.440 --> 03:01:24.200
have the audio up on the following
Monday, the eighteenth. Monday the eighteenth

2601
03:01:24.200 --> 03:01:26.079
will be episode seventy. That'll be
our Game of the Year twenty twenty three

2602
03:01:26.200 --> 03:01:31.040
extravaganza, Mary Jake and I will
be descending on Dan's house in Minneapolis to

2603
03:01:31.079 --> 03:01:35.120
hang out in his bar and argue
for what I'm sure will be a very

2604
03:01:35.159 --> 03:01:39.799
cordial and civil chat about the best
game of twenty twenty three look to it.

2605
03:01:39.239 --> 03:01:43.879
Yeah, and then Fireskate merch dot
com. You can go and get

2606
03:01:43.879 --> 03:01:48.079
your dorky Christmas sweatshirts your crew next
if you didn't get one last year,

2607
03:01:48.559 --> 03:01:56.559
they are available. Do you want
to catch up on our festive ugly dorky

2608
03:01:56.639 --> 03:02:01.479
Christmas sweaters? Very wholesome, You
don't need to tell everybody what it really

2609
03:02:01.479 --> 03:02:05.200
means. And then we also just
have merch for still one's business that it

2610
03:02:05.280 --> 03:02:07.319
means hand job. No, no, it's a hand job. Sure.

2611
03:02:07.440 --> 03:02:13.120
There's also just some nice like winter
garb on fire Escape merch dot Com going

2612
03:02:13.159 --> 03:02:20.600
into the winter. And then outside
of that, we will be back in

2613
03:02:20.639 --> 03:02:22.840
a couple of weeks. Before that, we have one more episode before our

2614
03:02:22.840 --> 03:02:24.799
Game of the Year, while we're
planning for that. We will be back

2615
03:02:24.840 --> 03:02:30.680
on December fourth, Dan, what
do you have going on in the meantime?

2616
03:02:30.680 --> 03:02:33.719
You got a lot going on?
Yes, I do. I don't

2617
03:02:33.719 --> 03:02:37.920
know if I'll be streaming much to
my personal channel in the next few weeks,

2618
03:02:37.959 --> 03:02:43.280
but Giant Bomb definitely check out our
Game of the Year stuff going on

2619
03:02:43.319 --> 03:02:46.920
there from Los Angeles. We will
be on the ground for the Game Awards,

2620
03:02:46.280 --> 03:02:50.479
but more importantly, the real Game
of the Year Awards will be happening

2621
03:02:50.520 --> 03:02:56.200
on December ninth, live in Los
Angeles. Tickets sold out very quickly.

2622
03:02:56.319 --> 03:03:01.520
We have a live venue, we've
got guests, we've got friends sold out,

2623
03:03:01.600 --> 03:03:05.360
but we will be streaming out live
on at twitch dot tv slash Giant

2624
03:03:05.360 --> 03:03:09.319
Bomb, and it's gonna be fun. We also we are doing like a

2625
03:03:09.360 --> 03:03:13.319
normal like week leading up to Game
of the Year. We're gonna do categories,

2626
03:03:13.319 --> 03:03:16.680
We're gonna do the usual stuff like
that. Is gonna be the finale

2627
03:03:16.840 --> 03:03:20.280
of Game of the Year. Is
gonna be live on stage. We will

2628
03:03:20.280 --> 03:03:22.959
be doing the silly categories and stuff
like that on that previous upf day,

2629
03:03:24.159 --> 03:03:26.639
on the BombCast day, things like
that. So just stay tuned to Giant

2630
03:03:26.639 --> 03:03:30.440
Bomb. A lot of plans going
on there for Game of the Year and

2631
03:03:30.479 --> 03:03:33.799
then week after that fire Escape Game
of the Year, So a whole lot

2632
03:03:33.840 --> 03:03:39.760
going on. Judge Jake is going
to make his return, and apparently several

2633
03:03:39.840 --> 03:03:46.520
famous guests are famous, a very
famous ghost, a very famous gizmo.

2634
03:03:46.559 --> 03:03:50.680
If you're talking about gizmo, we
can deliver on gizmo. We can promise,

2635
03:03:50.680 --> 03:03:54.280
and we will deliver on the ghost
of a very famous celebrity will be

2636
03:03:54.319 --> 03:04:01.000
there in spirit. I don't make
promises. I can't heap, don't I

2637
03:04:01.040 --> 03:04:05.719
don't write checks. My butt can't
cash. I don't know this is appealing

2638
03:04:05.920 --> 03:04:09.040
to you too, But you know, the Twin Cities are a test market

2639
03:04:09.040 --> 03:04:13.360
for Taco Bell and we have had
the Taco Bell chicken nuggets for the last

2640
03:04:13.360 --> 03:04:18.719
month and I've had them three times
and they are fucking amazing, really tallapenia

2641
03:04:18.760 --> 03:04:22.559
breaded chicken nuggets. I'm not kidding
at all. Are they in a taco

2642
03:04:22.479 --> 03:04:28.319
No, They're just they're nuggets.
And I look as much as we can

2643
03:04:28.319 --> 03:04:31.600
get a taco and you can put
them in there. Yeah, yeah,

2644
03:04:31.079 --> 03:04:35.680
Like I am a Taco Bell mark. But when they put out a new

2645
03:04:35.760 --> 03:04:37.639
thing that isn't great, I'll say
it. The chicken rollers that came out

2646
03:04:37.680 --> 03:04:41.600
with recently were not great. I
ordered them once, won't order them again.

2647
03:04:41.959 --> 03:04:45.719
These nuggets, real deal, they
are like this. Somehow Taco Bell

2648
03:04:45.719 --> 03:04:50.879
has become my favorite nugget in fry
place and we can get those the nacho

2649
03:04:50.000 --> 03:04:56.280
fries. The nacho fries are fantastic. Taco Bell is doing great work lately,

2650
03:04:56.319 --> 03:04:58.879
and these nuggets need to come out. Taco Sciences come a long way.

2651
03:05:00.399 --> 03:05:03.239
They got a new belt sauce.
They got a Jalibenio honey mustard.

2652
03:05:03.280 --> 03:05:05.200
I don't even like mustard, and
I order the Halibenio honey mustard. It's

2653
03:05:05.200 --> 03:05:09.239
fucking amazing with the nuggets. I'm
telling you, it's fucking good. They

2654
03:05:09.319 --> 03:05:13.159
perfected Taco Bell with the crunch wrap. I don't know that I want to

2655
03:05:13.159 --> 03:05:15.440
go past that. All right,
we don't. We don't have to get

2656
03:05:15.440 --> 03:05:18.319
it. We don't have to get
them. I'm not I'm not kidding it.

2657
03:05:18.319 --> 03:05:20.760
It's fucking great. If you get
Taco Bell, I'll just get a

2658
03:05:20.760 --> 03:05:26.319
crunch wrap. Did they still have
the crunch wrap? They do like breakfast

2659
03:05:26.319 --> 03:05:28.040
ones, and I have disappointing to
you that I want to get a crunch

2660
03:05:28.079 --> 03:05:33.879
wraps at this point. Will be
adventurous, you know, adventures by eating

2661
03:05:33.879 --> 03:05:37.920
Taco Bell. I come on now, Dan, I eat many many fancy

2662
03:05:37.959 --> 03:05:46.959
foods. I just drank a coat
Darne. Throughout this episode, christ On

2663
03:05:48.000 --> 03:05:50.600
that note, Mary, what do
you have going on? I'm going to

2664
03:05:50.639 --> 03:05:54.719
the Game Awards. Uh, that's
probably the next big thing. So I'll

2665
03:05:54.760 --> 03:05:58.319
be at the Game Awards with Dan. Mike's coming to. Will definitely take

2666
03:05:58.319 --> 03:06:01.040
a photo of the three of us. All of us will be there,

2667
03:06:01.840 --> 03:06:05.440
really looking forward to in person photo. Yeah, Mary, we should u

2668
03:06:05.600 --> 03:06:09.000
specifically, I did not bring up
that Wednesday, which would be Wednesday the

2669
03:06:09.200 --> 03:06:13.680
sixth, we will be doing the
Giant Bomb at night couch show. We

2670
03:06:13.719 --> 03:06:16.239
won't. Yeah, and I'll be
there. Yes, you will be there.

2671
03:06:16.280 --> 03:06:18.879
It's not gonna be a whole thing
like a summer games spot where it's

2672
03:06:18.879 --> 03:06:20.280
like several different nights and Mike will
be there and we're going to do a

2673
03:06:20.360 --> 03:06:26.200
nice in person count. Don't look
at the photo for too long. No,

2674
03:06:26.319 --> 03:06:30.600
just a Brett glimpse. Yeah,
yeah, just just real quick.

2675
03:06:30.959 --> 03:06:33.000
But yeah, Mary, you'll be
on the couch. We'll have you a

2676
03:06:33.000 --> 03:06:35.399
Wednesday night, the night before the
Game Awards. I will see you there.

2677
03:06:37.200 --> 03:06:41.159
I'll be there, Yeah, and
we'll take a picture. I like

2678
03:06:41.200 --> 03:06:48.120
Mike's on the show and he goes, I like, wan, that was

2679
03:06:48.159 --> 03:06:54.399
funny. I remember that now?
Well cool? That was episode sixty eight.

2680
03:06:54.920 --> 03:07:01.879
Getting closer to sixty woo. And
then we then we pe numerous celebrity

2681
03:07:01.920 --> 03:07:05.399
guests planned for sixty nine. Yep, I haven't figured out who yet,

2682
03:07:05.399 --> 03:07:09.559
but there will be celebrity guests.
All the stars will be there. The

2683
03:07:09.600 --> 03:07:16.479
stars will all be there. It'll
just be like one really bad JFK fresh,

2684
03:07:16.159 --> 03:07:24.920
my fellow Americans, the next step
in entertainment, the all in one

2685
03:07:24.200 --> 03:07:30.399
entertainment console, the Xbox One.
JFK is done. Matter is a weird

2686
03:07:30.479 --> 03:07:35.520
bit JFK figuring out the console that
goes best off his butt what I want

2687
03:07:35.559 --> 03:07:41.079
to see? He's a Wemo guy. Yeah, the Series X is two

2688
03:07:41.120 --> 03:07:48.280
rectangular. I'm here to tell you
the Series X can fit better. It's

2689
03:07:48.280 --> 03:07:50.559
still a square pag in a round
hole, but it will do the job.

2690
03:07:50.879 --> 03:07:54.120
And what you must ask is not
what your console can do for you,

2691
03:07:54.200 --> 03:07:58.040
but what you can do for your
console. Imagine what is Phil Spencer

2692
03:07:58.159 --> 03:08:03.440
mixed with JFK sound like? Let's
hear it. I'm so excited to bring

2693
03:08:03.479 --> 03:08:11.079
you the next evolution of entertainment consoles. It's going to be such an exciting

2694
03:08:11.159 --> 03:08:18.440
year for Xbox. We have such
exciting indie studios and newly acquiet Studios here

2695
03:08:18.520 --> 03:08:24.959
to bring you the best games on
any platform. This is a weird bit.

2696
03:08:24.600 --> 03:08:28.239
I don't you asked? Did you
ask for it? He did ask

2697
03:08:28.319 --> 03:08:31.399
for it, but then you didn't
put in like how those fit into your

2698
03:08:31.399 --> 03:08:37.079
butt? Yeah, back to the
left. I believe it's all connected.

2699
03:08:37.399 --> 03:08:39.479
Well, I'm not going to smirch
the good name of Phil Spencer and Abraham

2700
03:08:39.520 --> 03:08:48.760
Lincoln or JF. It's one thirty
here, I'm tired. Seven years ago,

2701
03:08:50.959 --> 03:08:58.120
here's Phil doing a four score.
And seven years ago we set out

2702
03:08:58.440 --> 03:09:01.920
what are you doing with your hands? At that point? They're my pants?

2703
03:09:01.000 --> 03:09:05.479
Right now you're wet toad shirt?
We score? And seven years ago

2704
03:09:05.879 --> 03:09:11.559
we set out, thanks for a
good episode, to remake Battle Toads.

2705
03:09:11.600 --> 03:09:18.799
And I'm so excited because today we're
here for two hours. This is my

2706
03:09:18.360 --> 03:09:26.040
most anticipated game. It's called Redfall. We bought. That's a game I

2707
03:09:26.040 --> 03:09:30.520
gotta go check check out before h
Yeah, it's gonna come up a lot

2708
03:09:30.520 --> 03:09:33.200
of them here. There's gotta be
a category to fit that in. All

2709
03:09:33.280 --> 03:09:35.440
right, thank you for joining.
A lot going on the next few months.

2710
03:09:35.479 --> 03:09:39.239
I cannot fucking wait till we have
one more episode before Game of the

2711
03:09:39.319 --> 03:09:43.200
Year. But I can't wait.
Uh in exactly a month from a couple

2712
03:09:43.280 --> 03:09:46.120
hours ago when it was still November
sixteenth. I'll be out in Minneapolis to

2713
03:09:46.159 --> 03:09:52.479
record. That'll be fun. Looking
forward to seeing cool Judge Jake. We'll

2714
03:09:52.479 --> 03:09:58.799
be back to Razor Gizmo, see
your new digs. Can't wait, good

2715
03:09:58.840 --> 03:10:03.520
time. Well, thanks everybody for
joining. We'll see you on episode sixty

2716
03:10:03.600 --> 03:10:09.200
nine. Do you on episode sixty
nine? No, come on now,

2717
03:10:09.520 --> 03:10:16.440
it's your joke. It's your joke. Dan was the originator nine recording