WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:15.199 Don't be bad. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this for 2 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:19.519 January seventeenth, twenty twenty four, the next hour or so, let me 3 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:22.679 help you sort through the world of gaming on Gameless Mornings, Live with me 4 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:26.879 Jeff Grubb. Today, the Last of Us Part two remaster reviews are out 5 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:30.640 and Billy Mitchell just won't go away. But first please join me and welcomeing 6 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.280 today's co host of game Mess Mornings. It's Scott mccraye. Everybody, Scott, 7 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:41.159 how are you doing? Goods? We're in the January. Used to 8 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:45.079 be quiet. It used to be quiet. It is no longer that way 9 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:48.359 at all. It is NonStop and it's not like, oh, we're all 10 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:50.920 just like hopping from one game to the next. It's like, no, 11 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:54.399 there are multiple games at any one time that you could be playing for work. 12 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.759 Yep, let's say let's not talk about those because I might slip up 13 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:07.599 the same multiple games. I am. Thank you for work. We uh 14 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.640 well, we did want you get back on here though, because you can 15 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.280 talk about Persona three. Is it reload or reloaded? I never remember load 16 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.599 reload? Okay, you put up a preview. We'll get to that here 17 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.560 in a little bit. Uh, but how you holding up otherwise? I 18 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:23.959 mean it's a lot excuse me, it's a lot of games, but you 19 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:30.120 get a chance for to take time for yourself at all. Suret's say, 20 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.439 yes, that's that's just my time to myself. This is the the least 21 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.319 work I've done all week. No, I mean I've I've taken the week 22 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:44.200 off of my my nine to five because I'm like, yeah, I'm probably 23 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:49.959 gonna probably gonna need that time, so I don't, you know, die, 24 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:53.959 So absolutely we make it for the week, we you know, and 25 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:59.239 then Fabruary can be quiet. I'm sure there's definitely nothing coming out in February. 26 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.120 No'n that'll be the quiet line. Yes, yeah, those that's gonna 27 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.680 be a dead time of year. We'll be able to catch up on everything. 28 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:07.280 I'll actually be able to play Golden Sun now that it's on on the 29 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.840 switch. It'll be easy, you know what. Let's explain what we do 30 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:15.120 here most weekdays. 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All, I'm gonna try that 40 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:52.199 last name one more time, argu Ero. There we go, roll my 41 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.840 l's a little bit. The Last of Us Part two Remastered is almost upon 42 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.840 us, bringing refinement and an array of additions to Naughty Dogs Equal releasing exclusively 43 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.400 for PS five, This version tackles not only a graphical update across the board, 44 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:09.240 but also expands on the original game. The standout features include accessibility settings, 45 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:14.800 playable levels that were scrapped from the original release, as well as a 46 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:21.080 roguelike survival mode called No Return Nicholas has done. Diego Nicholas has done a 47 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.479 good job here of gathering up some review snippets from sites like n ME, 48 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:30.680 which gave it four out of five Stars writer Andy Brown over there says it 49 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.039 feels odd to be playing a remaster of just a four year old game, 50 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.639 and visually improvement improvements are minimal. Lighting and textures are a little softer, 51 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:45.240 but it's nothing groundbreaking, though native four K support and near instant loading screens 52 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:52.240 offer more marked upgrades. Destructoid smengly so Simolane gave it a nine out of 53 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:54.520 ten, said they also provide a peek into just how difficult to wrangle a 54 00:03:54.599 --> 00:04:00.000 game with the story of this magnitude is. Ultimately I'm glad these lost levels 55 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.919 were act as they would have substracted more than they added to the last of 56 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:06.280 US Part two. Nonetheless, discovering just how far developers were willing to go 57 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:13.360 to achieve lofty goals like making Jackson feel immersive or highlighting Ellie's trauma does trigger 58 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.720 greater appreciation for the final product. In Verse gave it a seven out of 59 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.279 ten, said, well, I did dedicate a handful of hours to this 60 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:23.240 mode, it didn't exactly blow me away. I'm pretty sure that is for 61 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:27.519 the Rogue Leke mode. The stages started to feel samey, and upgrades are 62 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:32.120 inconsequential unless you're playing at a harder difficulty. Ultimately, No Return feels like 63 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:35.720 a slice of what could have been a more extensive rogue Leke mode and one 64 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:40.120 that could maybe keep players entertained for more than just a few play sessions. 65 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:46.319 And that's from Cosimo Hashimoto. How are you feeling about this remaster right now, 66 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:50.160 Scott McCrae, especially as we just discussed pretty busy gaming time is going 67 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:55.480 to be at a premium stell. I haven't beaten God of War Valhalla. 68 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.000 If I'm going to go back to a Sony first party over the shoulder, 69 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:01.800 sad dad game that has a rogue like mode in it, I'm probably gonna 70 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:05.199 go back to Valhalla first. How do you feel? I feel like I 71 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:11.279 picked a bad day to be on the show. It's it's weird, right, 72 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.839 I think on paper, this sounds like a good remaster in terms of, 73 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:18.639 you know, you can pay Tanquid for it and you get all this 74 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:23.720 stuff. That's not too bad, right. It's just a shame it's not 75 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:25.959 for you know, it's still the last of us to at the end to 76 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:30.160 day. You know, like the the gameplay of that game is very good, 77 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.360 yes, so you know I was kind of like, oh a roguelike 78 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:41.519 mode sounds interesting, but I don't. I don't think I have it in 79 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:45.240 me to play that game again, and especially if I know they did the 80 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.360 lost levels and it's a separate thing. I don't know how you could make 81 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:54.480 that game any longer than it already is. But you know, it does, 82 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.480 it does seems to have some cool things on it. It's just maybe 83 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.079 I would have you know, they picked a time possibly to put us out. 84 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:05.680 Yeah, I mean, there's probably not a great time, and you 85 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:09.199 know, I bet this thing is going to do just fine. People are 86 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:11.920 you know, obviously the Last of Us has a lot of fans. I 87 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.519 think the PlayStation audience is ready to pick up stuff like this, even though 88 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:19.279 I know they're they're itching for new things. They're itching for new releases, 89 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:24.439 even like new sequels whatever, and a remaster of a four year old game 90 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:28.319 maybe does highlight just exactly the position that some of the Sony first party studios 91 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.439 are in right now. But I think at the end of the day, 92 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.160 if they get offered this for ten dollars, they're gonna pick it up. 93 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:36.680 And I also wonder if there's a chance for some of the fans of the 94 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:41.120 series, you know, I'm not big in the Last of Us, but 95 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.279 I wonder if like having some space, like having these four years since the 96 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.600 game came out, and giving these people a chance to re assess how they 97 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:50.959 feel about the Last of Us part too, especially now that they know what 98 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:55.079 to expect. I wonder if they will like soften their position a little bit 99 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.720 on the storytelling. Maybe not, but I think some will be like maybe 100 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.519 more welcoming than they were rich. Uh you know that said I I think 101 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.199 I'm gonna get my hands on this roguelike mode at some point. I love 102 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:10.399 roguelike stuff. Put it in every game. Uh. If this one's not 103 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:13.360 going to be a standout in that, you know, I'm at least glad 104 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.120 that they're trying some stuff like this. This is a really good way to 105 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.600 keep a game going, especially something that you build a ton of assets for 106 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:23.079 and a ton of locations. You can just kind of stitch those things together 107 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.920 with these like you know, procedurally generated nodes or whatever, and give people 108 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.720 a chance to experience the real what is actually pretty good combat in the Last 109 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.279 of Us Part two, and and then giving players a way to build on 110 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:40.480 that by having these upgrades. If it's not substantial, as Cosma Hashimoto from 111 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.040 Inverse says, that's a shame, but at least it's at least it's an 112 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.279 idea. It's it's more than just hey, we spruced up some graphics, 113 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:50.000 now give us ten dollars. I really like the way that this is. 114 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:56.000 This this trend recently has has taken over a lot of developers ideas of what 115 00:07:56.199 --> 00:08:01.759 a good upgrade looks like. Do you think that this is going to be 116 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:05.120 the kind of thing where coming out of this, players will be like, 117 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.000 Okay, Naughty Dog, you know what, you should just go make the 118 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.639 Last Was Part three? Or do you think like that that audience is going 119 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:15.800 to be satiated for a while and maybe want something else from that studio. 120 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.439 I'm probably a weird person. I didn't think we needed a Last of Us 121 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.240 too. Yeah, I think a lot of people agreed with that at the 122 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.959 time. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of in that boat they Obviously, 123 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.240 I don't want to get into it too much because like, obviously it's 124 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.000 like years old at this point, but I think the ending of that game 125 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:46.240 maybe was pretty bad and service of leaving it open for something else to happen, 126 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:52.080 So not going to be shocked. I think they probably need to do 127 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.639 something in between, right, I mean that would have been actions, but 128 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:01.200 you know, we seen that one of like obviously people talk about them doing 129 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.840 a sci fi game, or there's meant to be something uncharted, hasn't there 130 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.480 or is that not that that probably wouldn't be too involved in Uncharted going forward, 131 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:16.000 it seems like so I feel like they need to do kind of what 132 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.879 they did last time, where there's something in between to maybe satiate the people 133 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:24.519 who like Naughty Dog games but don't like miser Reborn, so you know, 134 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:30.360 hopefully, but you know, I I think if they did this maybe a 135 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.759 year from now when the TV show comes back, I think people would probably 136 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.639 be a lot easier on it. I think people would point out less that 137 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.120 like, oh, it's a game that's only it's only three years old, 138 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:46.480 if we're really getting into because it released late. Yeah, so like you 139 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.559 know, and people would be a lot easier on it if it came out 140 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.360 when the show was coming out again, like because that's what happened with the 141 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:58.879 last one or the remake, which also a weird decision. But I mean, 142 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.879 Naughty Dog, I'd be interesting. I'm just interested to see in what 143 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.879 they have going forward, because obviously that's the studio that like very different now 144 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.159 to what they were when they started, you know, I mean not counting 145 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.960 like Way of the Warrior and all those masterpieces, but like you know, 146 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.080 looking at Crash Band a good one to like with the Last of Us two, 147 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.399 you know, even like Jack and Dice or something like that. It's 148 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.000 such a vastly different studio than it is now. But I feel like I'd 149 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:39.039 like to see them do something that isn't that, the same way I would 150 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.320 like to see a lot of Sony do something that isn't that. You know. 151 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:48.519 Of course, give us an ape Escape or Ape Escape or vib Ribbon 152 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.240 pat upon, you know where it's all my weirdo stuff. Are you gonna 153 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.639 have PlayStation All Stars too? If there's no All Stars to put in there? 154 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:58.600 You know? Yeah, listen, I get some bend news for you 155 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:05.159 about play Station All starts Battle Royal too. That that one might not happen. 156 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.600 I'm sorry, I think it's you know, we do. It's obvious 157 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.600 to everyone what's happening here. It Sony's strategy is what is something that would 158 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.559 appeal to a crowd that shows up to watch an HBO show. Excuse me, 159 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.039 what are they going to get excited about? And it's something that's going 160 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.120 to look a lot like Prestige TV. And I think they're They're right to 161 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:28.200 an extent that stuff does have a global appeal and does tend to sell really 162 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.720 well, and I think it adds to the prestige of their brand overall. 163 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.320 Something they seem to care about because I think it helped. I think they 164 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.799 believe that helps them sell even more PlayStations and make it the place to be 165 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.639 for console gaming. It's just it is a shame that they can't, like, 166 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:45.840 I don't think they have to pull themselves away from it. It's just 167 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.159 they also have other studios that could be doing other things, or other teams 168 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.759 incide of these studios that could be doing these other things, and it's like, 169 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:56.919 well, no, the gravity of these bigger projects are It's so strong 170 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.159 that now everyone gets pulled in to the orbit of these massive things and they 171 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.519 kind of can't spread out their wings and try their things. Yeah, that's 172 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.279 kind of a thing like I've been, you know, maybe a bit vocal 173 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.000 about how I wish they would stop doing because even got a war it's like 174 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.919 a different game, but it's got that formula, you know. So it's 175 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.399 almost like a Marvel Cinematic Universe thing where like, you know, they got 176 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:28.519 these films and where they are different, they've got a kind of a thing 177 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.840 going there. And then you have something like Guardians of the Galaxy that comes 178 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:33.480 out and it's like, oh wow, this is you know, it's the 179 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.559 same type of thing. Like if I'm fine with them doing you know, 180 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:39.759 the Last of Us, another Sad Dad game, another Sad Dad game. 181 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.679 Whatever. That's fine, that's good. The stuff is good. You know, 182 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.600 it's not bad. They're not bad games or anything like that. But 183 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:52.919 I mean, like Japan's studios shut down, we'll never see another Gravity Rush. 184 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.360 We'll never even see like you know, Ratchet and Clank is the best 185 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:03.440 you've got when it comes to like no that and even then that's very like 186 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.960 cinematic now, you know, it's very and that last one was very like, 187 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.000 you know, heavy on storytelling and that I mean returnal you know you 188 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:15.919 do. I'm not saying you don't get like a you know something every yeah, 189 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.360 I mean I mean they even I think housemart has even talked a little 190 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.519 bit about like their next project is going to be even bigger and in a 191 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.559 lot of ways, And I read that as code for more like a PlayStation 192 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:31.679 game. Yeah, so it's it's not that they need to you know, 193 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.759 it's not they need to stop making Last of Us is and you know stuff. 194 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.000 And I'm not I'm not saying that Ratching Clank was not good, by 195 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.039 the way. I'm not. That's not it. I think it was a 196 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.639 very good game. I don't think it was better than Maternal so you know, 197 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:46.799 game of the Year stuff, and everyone was like Ratching Clank. I 198 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:52.000 was like, what are you talking about? I think these are very good 199 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.440 games. They should still make them. They work well for them. But 200 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.720 also, you know, Insomniact such a talented team, and they're going to 201 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:05.000 be doing Spider Man Wolverine Gordon was after that, and they're going to be 202 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.080 like, you know that type of game. You know, it's not oh 203 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.000 yeah, Wolverine's not Someddenly going to be like a devil make Riye cling or 204 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.799 something like that. And even the stuff where they were like branching out, 205 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.639 it was like, well, we'll do multiplayer modes for all these big games. 206 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.600 Well, they apparently cancel the Spider Man to multiplayer stuff. That doesn't 207 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.679 mean that they're never going to do a multiplayer thing. Maybe that's like that 208 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:26.440 was always going to be their generation, one of their of their multiplayer And 209 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.559 this stuff comes from the Insomniac League in case people are wondering where this information 210 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.000 is at. So it's like, okay, even that stuff kind of gets 211 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.200 pushed, it gets kicked further down the road because they have to focus on 212 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.639 what they know their fans really want. And and again, right, these 213 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.399 games often come out are very good, but it does end up feeling pretty 214 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.320 same at a certain point. And you know, the good news for PlayStation 215 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.000 is they got a lot of third party support, a lot of third party 216 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.639 publishers on PlayStation putting out games that feel very different. So if you call 217 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.399 PlayStation your home, I think that is you're gonna be completely fine. But 218 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:03.679 just there's a part of us that it's like I remember a PlayStation that was 219 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.960 very inventive. Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't have the run 220 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.039 on the show here, but this could be a very good segue. But 221 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.399 when PS four came out, right, I did not see the point at 222 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.200 all. I wouldn't say the PS four got good until like twenty seventeen, 223 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:22.679 and you know why that was. It was yak Is a Persona near you 224 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.240 know, all that other stuff which is not Sony. It's you know, 225 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:31.879 Japanese third parties don't really work for Microsoft the switches two week PlayStations here, 226 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.639 right. But now it's getting to the point where like all these things are 227 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.639 multiplatforms. I mean, even Persona is going to be in Game past day 228 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.120 one. Yak As is the last, yeah, because I was in Game 229 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.159 past day one, you know. Yeah, So even then, I think 230 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:52.000 they're kind of maybe losing some of those first third parties in the way. 231 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.519 I do think they need to maybe look and Nintendo more than anything, because 232 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:03.279 like I imagine, like some like Mario Odyssey was probably like a further the 233 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.000 budget of The Last of Us too, you know easily. Yes, it's 234 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:11.200 not everything needs to be like beg and huge and all that make up that 235 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:17.840 you will only medieval game, yeah escape or I mean they I mean clearly 236 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.320 they chose the path of like Nintendo's games. We think they're important because they 237 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.120 have these characters that we care about, and and they have the Nintendo sort 238 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:29.639 of you know, lack of a better word, magic on top of them, 239 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.159 and and Nintendo sort of tells us that they're important at a certain point 240 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:34.679 and we have to either believe them or not. I mean some people don't. 241 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:40.200 I've definitely bought in. I think Sony kind of just got away from 242 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.759 believing that their stuf stuff they're making had like intrinsic and intrinsic value, and 243 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.200 like the way that we will display the value of these games is by spending 244 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.960 a ton of money on them and making them, making the visuals apparent that 245 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.360 this is something that that's important because nothing else looks this good and I and 246 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.240 you know, there's obviously that does work. That is a bible strategy until 247 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:04.480 it's not until it's too expensive and you kind of can't maintain it. Uh 248 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:10.119 yeah. You look at the PSP like that's that's Sony, not new. 249 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:15.759 Sony kind of started like PS three Areal Areal era on Charted two game that 250 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.440 was said and done, you know, and that's fine. PSP was still 251 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.759 about you start have local rocal, you start point. They were still doing 252 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:27.519 weird stuff for that and it's you know, like it as all of Japan 253 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.039 Studio gone, it's just Tima. Soby now, yes, that's right. 254 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.519 They're probably working on a VR game as well, which, like you know 255 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.960 everyone, you know, yeah, at the very least that they're probably working 256 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.240 on something that is you know, experimental for Sony hardware in some way, 257 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.680 because that's what they've been doing. So it's easy to make that assumption. 258 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.000 I hope, I hope they're making a astro game that is of just for 259 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:51.799 PS five and not for PSVR two. That would be ideal for me, 260 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:55.440 But there's no reason to assume that that's what happened. That's what's happening. 261 00:17:55.759 --> 00:18:00.599 And then yes, many people point out like Liverpool play like that studio PlayStation, 262 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.559 that's that's done. Yeah, they just don't do stuff like that anymore. 263 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.400 And they've they've said it explicitly that they are going for games to have 264 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.599 a global appeal and the games that the third party games that they do partner 265 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.000 with, like Final Fantasy, they believe Final Fantasy has a global appeal and 266 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:17.839 so they partner with that. And then you know, even some of the 267 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.759 other Final Fantasies like the spin offs and and things, they don't even care 268 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:23.160 about that as much. Like, no, the big number of Final Fantasies, 269 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:27.480 that's what we're talking about here, and that does either gets a situation 270 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:32.519 where something like Persona three comes along and that's associated to be Persona three reload. 271 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:36.200 We associate that with PlayStation for a very long time now, to the 272 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:37.480 point where it's like even Atlas was like, now, yeah, we just 273 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:40.880 put it on PlayStation and we don't know why we don't put it on switch, 274 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.839 and like you know, eventually we do it a point where like that 275 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.359 just changes and now it's like, oh, yeah, of course Persona three 276 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.680 Reload is launching on game Pass. They seem to have a pretty good relationship 277 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:53.759 over there between Xbox and Sega, and it's not even that strange. And 278 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:59.279 I don't know how much Sony cares about that. Maybe maybe they shouldn't, 279 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.200 maybe it's not worth the effort over there, but it seems a little strange. 280 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.319 But yeah, let's get into it. You you played some Persona three 281 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:07.599 reload. How did you find it? And where can people find your preview? 282 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:12.799 I guess let's start there. So I wrote it for my mirror dot 283 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:18.200 co dot uk Forward Slash Gaming because we are a newspaper, after all, 284 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.039 we have to have the thing. I'll find the link, I'll get in 285 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:25.519 the chat that's easy. Stay yeah. I mean, so I played Persona 286 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:27.160 free reloaded games calling back in August, but that was just going to like 287 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:32.000 play some dungeon crawling and all that. Now, this was kind of my 288 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:37.039 first look at the you know, the the other stuff in Persona, you 289 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:42.319 know, the like walking around the town and talking to people and spending your 290 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:48.799 day studying and all that. So I so I've played Persona Free, but 291 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:53.039 I've never played it. You know, sure played both versions, the PS 292 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:59.640 two and the that remaster from last year, and I've never beaten them. 293 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:02.599 Because I'm like, right, we need to have a we need to have 294 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.319 a version that does all of us right, and that still isn't that you 295 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:14.079 don't have the like expansion or the female protagonists and all that. But this 296 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.119 might be the one. I don't know, I'm excited for this one as 297 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:25.960 well. Terrible timing because we have like literally a week after Sega's other massive 298 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.039 RPG. I don't know how anyone's going to have the time. I mean 299 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.640 well, I mean listen, they're completely unrelated. How could these two people 300 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:37.160 who like to entities making these games talk to one another? I mean sure, 301 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.759 they're under the same company. And they should be able to tell it 302 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:44.160 one another when they should like put out their game relative to to one another. 303 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.279 But no, that's too much to ask for, Scott. Yeah, 304 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:53.279 even even back in November, the exact same thing with Tactica and lak a 305 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:57.200 Dragon Guidance. Yeah, don't know why they keep doing this. Surely surely 306 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:04.240 someone in Sega would be like here, maybe you know, but I mean 307 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.519 if it got us like a dragon quicker, I suppose I'm not that bothered. 308 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:12.440 But yeah, so it's a game that I'm very much like. I 309 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.839 don't know how I'm going to have the time to play this, but after 310 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:22.519 after January and February and maybe even March is all said and done, that's 311 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:27.160 going to be a good game of pick up. I think it seems it's 312 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.400 gorgeous. That's the main thing I think. Actually, right, it's so 313 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:33.680 good looking, and I don't think the trailers and all that are doing it 314 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:38.599 justice. It's like like it looks better than PERSONA five. It's like I 315 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:45.599 think it's unreal four. Yeah, I think. Yeah, It's like I 316 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.759 was shocked by how good it looked. It looks so smooth, it looks 317 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.200 so like, you know, it's it's got the stuff you like in Persona 318 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.480 five, like the really snappy menus and all the kind of style. Yeah, 319 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.680 you press pause and the protagonist like dives at water and it's like, 320 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:07.200 you know, it's so cool and it looks gorgeous, and you know, 321 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.359 I stole question why they were like, let's not put everything in this. 322 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:18.359 But in terms of you know, packing your version of Persona free play obviously 323 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.960 said like I said last time with the Akisa stuff, I don't I don't 324 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.920 think you can ever show off an RPG in a couple hours. You know, 325 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.000 Yeah, of course not. Maybe at the end of the game that 326 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.680 like changed it complete aim, We've got another Final Fantasy seven on our hands. 327 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.599 But yeah, I mean, well, let's say that you get through 328 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:40.720 the end of this Persona three reload and you're, okay, that was great, 329 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.440 but I do notice the absence of the you know, female, having 330 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.880 the female protagonist that would have been great, and having the expansion stuff in 331 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.240 here would have been great. And then you know, they do kind of 332 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:55.519 maybe what it seems like it might end up happening here, and they do 333 00:22:55.599 --> 00:23:02.440 Persona three reload FEZ or whatever. A year from now, You're probably not 334 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:04.480 gonna replay it then will you feel a little bit cheated or bummed out or 335 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:07.079 something like that or is that like something that just won't happen? Am I 336 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:11.799 making that up? Good question? That's that's kind of that's been in the 337 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:17.559 back of my mind when I interviewed them. But I'm not very good at 338 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:21.720 filming this kind of stuff. Now all people turned out praper be honest with 339 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:25.799 you, So that hasn't been published. I'm still working out what to do 340 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:29.039 with that. But like I asked them, I was like, look, 341 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:33.759 do you plan on doing anything else with Persona if that's if that's really pops 342 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.039 off, while you do more with Persona Free? And they said, like 343 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.640 obviously got the answer of like, you know, we don't got anything to 344 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:42.839 say at this time, you know, but they didn't seem like they were 345 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.119 They didn't shoot it down completely. They were like, you know, if 346 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:49.880 this goes maybe we all see like a Persona Free phase or a Persona Free 347 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:59.599 cart or something. You know. Sure, but I'm I'm I don't know, 348 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:02.279 just because it's a remake. I'm like, will they do this because 349 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:04.160 obviously they've done it with Persona four and they dine it with Persona three twice 350 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:11.839 and they did it Persona five. You know, I would hope, I 351 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.440 would hope that maybe we're reaching the point, you know, like the capcom 352 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:19.960 point where like Street Fair four still did the super Street Fair four and what 353 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:26.160 was the other arcade edition and all that Street Fir five was you buy the 354 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.720 game, here's the season of characters, here's the season of characters. I'm 355 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.759 hoping we maybe reached the point where they're like, because the answer is the 356 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:37.519 easiest thing to do that with, you know, like Persona Persona five Royal, 357 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.640 you know, that was woven into the game. There was an entire 358 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.920 new character for two new characters that were like integral to Royal, you know. 359 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:51.559 But you know, with the answer, as far as I can tell, 360 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:56.480 that's just like a separate epilogue. I don't know if the other stuff 361 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:00.240 they did in Fez is in this. I imagine it would be because that's 362 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.519 easier to end, and like because they've re recorded all the voice leans this 363 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:12.079 new voice actors completely. But I don't know. I hope they find less 364 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.119 is the time, but they're like, yeah, let's do this as DLC. 365 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.759 Yeah, have mad replayed entire because I I mean I'm no, I'm 366 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.160 no better than anyone else. I played Persona five to the second type. 367 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.720 I bought it, and I was like, there's no way I'm playing one 368 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:30.119 hundred hours of the SRPYG again and then we do that again. So yeah, 369 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.519 I they I mean, if they add more stuff, it probably just 370 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.839 will be DLC this time around. I mean, even like Pokemons shifted to 371 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:45.200 that Monster Hunter has shifted to uh DLC, Persona being like so committed to 372 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.440 this idea of now we had that stuff in a new game we released later, 373 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.640 uh would be would feel would feel especially egregious in this case for a 374 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:59.359 remake. So yeah, they probably just have some DLC, some uh uh 375 00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:03.400 you know, extra content that they will gladly sell people later on whatever that 376 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:08.000 and it ends up looking like whether that's the female protagonist or whatever. So 377 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.559 okay, yeah, like, but you don't like when this game comes out 378 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.039 right away, you're gonna be you're gonna playing like Like a Dragon instead of 379 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.319 this, or and then you're gonna but for a time to play this later 380 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:22.640 this year or what I'm I'm going to play like a Dragon, and then 381 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.680 that's yeah, I'm gonna when I finished Like a Dragon I will start Persona 382 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.839 free reload, you know, so, but again, they're a week apart, 383 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.240 so that can you know, God knows when I'll finish either of them 384 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:40.720 because they're both huge, but you know, and obviously Tacking's coming out as 385 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:45.279 well, and mm hmm Final Financi's coming out. But yeah, Persona Freeze 386 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.279 next to my list. I got a taste for it, you know, 387 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:52.319 Like I I'm I'm more of a like a Dragon fan than a Persona fan, 388 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.880 I think, so you know, That's why I'm kind of going that 389 00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:03.319 way. But I don't want to be excited about like the uh there's the 390 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.799 like I'm really excited for both of these, but also in my mind, 391 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.480 I'm like, god, these are both one hundred hours playing back to back. 392 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.640 It's uh, it's a bit much. And like with Final Fantasy coming 393 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:15.599 out, I was looking at I'm like, oh, I should go back 394 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.480 and beat remake because I was enjoying that and I'm just I just fell off. 395 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:22.279 I should beat that. I'm like, oh that there's no time absolutely 396 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:29.960 a DLC start And I was like, noah, you know what, Okay, 397 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.359 uh, well you know what, let's take a quick break. Everybody. 398 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:33.759 We got some more news. We're gonna get into it, including an 399 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:38.240 update on Billy Mitchell's high scores for Donkey Kong and a lot more. We'll 400 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:48.880 get into that right after this. All right, we're back, We're back, 401 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.359 and I got a headline here. Billy Mitchell's controversial Donkey Kong high scores 402 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.640 have been partially reinstated. This comes from Chris Calling at VGC retro video game 403 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:03.400 high score chaser. Billy Mitchell has had his Donkey Kong scores reinstated to an 404 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.839 extent on the twin Galaxies website, six years after they were removed. Man, 405 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.799 has it really been six years since all that happened. Mitchell, who 406 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.880 has been known for his high scoring ability since the nineteen eighties, found renewed 407 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.960 fame when he appeared in the documentary The King of Kong A Fistful of Quarters, 408 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.440 where he was portrayed as a scheming rival to the film's main focus, 409 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.319 high score newcomer Steve Weebe. In twenty eighteen, Mitchell's high scores were removed 410 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.720 from twin Galaxies, which was considered to be one of the foremost high score 411 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:36.200 leader boards online, after claims were made that submissions were questionable it was suggested 412 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:40.720 that the evidence submitted for Mitchell's high scores showed images that could not have been 413 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.160 generated on unmodified original Donkey Kong arcade hardware, which players must use for the 414 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.960 category that he's submitted in. Following the removal of the scores, Mitchell threatened 415 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:55.759 legal action against Twin Galaxies, claiming defamation, and statements released by both parties. 416 00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:59.319 However, the issue has now seemingly been resolved. According to to Twin 417 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:03.720 Galaxy, state computer scientist Michael Doctor Michael Zta submitted a document on behalf of 418 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.240 Mitchell, suggesting that tapes could have in fact been played on original hardware if 419 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.920 it had been malfunctioning due to its components to creating over time. Twin galaxies 420 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:17.279 mandate is to verify that submissions meet verification guidelines, not to investigate how they 421 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:21.839 are produced. It's said this later area remains available to experts such as doctor 422 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:26.960 Zita and other interested parties who may examine and assess these matters for their individual 423 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.160 purposes. Twin Galaxies takes no official stance on the creation of submitted content, 424 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:36.440 but can recognize and acknowledge doctor Zida's expert opinion. Twin Galaxies has now agreed 425 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.440 to reinstate Mitchell's high scores, including the highest score of one million, sixty 426 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.839 twenty eight hundred, but only in the historical database section, which lists all 427 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.720 the scores on the site up until its acquisition in twenty fourteen, at which 428 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:53.079 point new adjudication protocols were set up. As such, mitchell scores are still 429 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:59.599 not listed on the current twin Galaxies leader board for Donkey Kong. Most of 430 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.799 this sc seems like it was done to avoid a lengthy, an ongoing lawsuit 431 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.400 and court battles that Twin gal because he's probably just either couldn't afford or figured 432 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:11.839 it would be like, this is not gonna be worth it, So let's 433 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.680 just try to find some solution that's amicable here so we can get Billy Mitchell 434 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:22.400 to stop suing us. Mitchell, Yes, Bill, it turns out Billy 435 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.440 Mitchell would probably just keep suing them. It seems to be a big fan 436 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.039 of that. Yeah, the guy's a weirdo, and should I have to 437 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.839 say he's an alleged weirdo, an alleged dick and I could say anything now 438 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:40.119 saying a legend And clearly this is just them trying to get rid of him 439 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:41.359 and do like the sort of thing where it's like a bull is running at 440 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.640 you, so you hold up the red flag and have it run right past 441 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.920 you and you step to the side. That's kind of what feels like. 442 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.200 The strategy here is, do you think this is gonna satisfy Billy Mitchell or 443 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.839 I mean it's kind of sounds like he has to settle for this. I 444 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.319 don't know, what do you think? Oh, I kind of love him 445 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.079 like a carib A wrestling character. I can right, a real heel, 446 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:10.880 but an actual heel, like he's one of those people that could easily say 447 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.759 yeah, that's just hopefully satisfying. But you know, until the next thing 448 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:19.680 comes along, you know, until it's like another like YouTuber to argue. 449 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.200 He does have his own statement here. He says, I am relieved and 450 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.640 satisfied to reach this resolution after an almost six year ordeal, and look forward 451 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:36.279 to pursuing my unfinished business elsewhere. He talks like a villain. He talks 452 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.559 like a heel, Like he's like, I gotta get onto my next beef. 453 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.240 I got quarrels elsewhere. Look out, everybody, Oh man, what 454 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:48.319 a what an incredible it might be us his name, he's gonna he's gonna 455 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.519 show up and shot we need to get him, and told me tallco and 456 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:57.400 like a celebrity bolt yes for star star, a heel firm or something. 457 00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.440 I would I'm I'm a shame to admit I would pay for that. Pay 458 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.359 per view one. I would pay for that. Let's see. The current 459 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.759 high score is now one million, two hundred and seventy twenty eight hundred, 460 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:14.240 which was achieved by Robbie Lakeman in twenty twenty one. So you have you 461 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.839 watched the movie recently documentary sorry, yeah, the King of King of Kong. 462 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.079 Yeah, I watched that like a couple of years back when this was 463 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.640 happening. Jesus, I don't I don't know if it's the directing at work, 464 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:34.480 but uh, watching your remember it's allegedly worse. Yes, the movie 465 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:39.000 the movie is good, but certain people's decutioness is maybe allegedly worse than you. 466 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.680 Yeah, Billy Mitchell's like behavior and the way the movie presents him at 467 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:52.039 the very least is definitely devious, but like it's illustrated even better by the 468 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:58.440 way that all of his henchmen around him behave where they're like always trying to 469 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.200 like please Billy Mitchell, and they're always looking for ways to make sure that 470 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:06.079 like things bounce in his favor, and it's like, oh my god, 471 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.279 Like he's just set up this. This is like a little enclave of other 472 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:13.640 weirdos around him that protect Billy Mitchell from the world. Uh. Yeah, 473 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.079 it's it's a whole thing. I suppose the movies the documentary is old enough 474 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.559 that but I guess a lot of people probably haven't seen it, and obviously 475 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.039 a lot of people probably watch these YouTube videos about it recently. But yeah, 476 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.119 Kink of Fox, the holds Up. I don't know if it's still 477 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.000 I believe it was free on YouTube at least a whale ago. Oh yeah, 478 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:34.759 okay, that's it's a good watch. Yeah, we need to like 479 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.440 Belly Mitchell, like and the rang, Steve Weeby's music, Cats, j 480 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:43.440 Argo's Mad. That's what we need, cashing the money in the bank, 481 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.680 all that stuff. There you go, I'm getting them getting the wrestling quote 482 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:50.720 and perfect we Billy Mitchell. If you are not, if one of your 483 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:54.599 unfinished businesses is playing more video games, I invite you to come be a 484 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:59.000 part of Blake Club. Mostly, I think it might make Mike very uncomfortable, 485 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:00.640 Like Damn would hand up with them. They'd have a great time, 486 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.039 all right. Uh. Two K has announced a Top Spin reboot with a 487 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.760 teaser trailer. This is some tom Ivan a VGC. Two K has officially 488 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:15.039 announced that it's rebooting the Top Spin series, confirming a previous report which claimed 489 00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.079 it planned to bring back the tennis franchise, and that came from Nick Over 490 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.800 at Xbox Era. The publisher has announced Top Spin two K twenty five. 491 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.480 The teaser trailer, which says the game is coming soon, was was released 492 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:31.079 to coincide with the start of the Australian Open this week. Game is gonna 493 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:35.000 be seventy dollars because that's just how much two K sports games cost. Now, 494 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.199 that seems like a lot of money for a tennis game. But maybe 495 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:43.159 I'm wrong. I don't know. What do you think the when when the 496 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.719 seventy eight dollar game stuff started? Right? The first thing I said, 497 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.519 I probably know. The first thing I said, the less exaggerate. The 498 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.760 first thing I said, I'm like, c even f ww two K twayny 499 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:59.360 didn't happen. They would have the cheek to charge that much for like a 500 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:06.920 really bad WWE game the next year Miankefully those have been good, get well, 501 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.800 they're improving most improved. Yeah, I think the last two of the 502 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:13.639 best of spending years. I put a lot of time into two K's Wait 503 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.559 Free. You know that's maybe tells more about me than you know. I'll 504 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.039 probably I'll tell you what I'll probably get, Like Dragon's Dogma. I'll probably 505 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.360 buy that day one and be like, yeahwe they have been twenty hours or 506 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.639 that before I even touch it, because I'm like, that's how it worked. 507 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:36.719 Yeah, I mean, good good luck to them for charging seventy quid 508 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:42.760 for top Spin. I don't think top Spend quite has the uh yeah name 509 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.840 recognition? Is it? Once dead? Right? I remember enjoying some top 510 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.199 Spin games. I think I was always more of a virtual tennis guy, 511 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.159 but I wonder if that turned into like eventually playing and top Spin not even 512 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:58.239 really noticing the brand anymore. Tennis games are fun. They are fun. 513 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.920 That's a good video game sport. It really is. But I kind of 514 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.119 look around like, Okay, well where did they go for so long? 515 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.559 And I suppose that's like, yeah, they're they're they're fun arcadie sports games. 516 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.679 They I don't think they support themselves with the kinds of modes you can 517 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:19.840 add in to encourage a wide enough audience to pick them up at a price 518 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.719 you need to charge to make them make sense, especially if you're doing like 519 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:24.880 the two K twenty five implaying there's gonna be a two K twenty six and 520 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:29.079 twenty seven and twenty eight a yearly release, and maybe they don't do that. 521 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:30.880 They don't do that. They haven't done that with ever. I think 522 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.679 their golf game that they kind of acquired from from the like the indie scene, 523 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.639 they acquired that golf game. I don't think they've planned to do that 524 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.159 every year, So maybe it's something along those lines. And if it gets 525 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.760 updates in between, I guess that could make some sense. I was just 526 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.119 thinking that, like as tennis any worse than golf though in terms of like 527 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.480 you know, ganging people to buy a video game. You know, you've 528 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:59.000 got like obviously football does well, other football does well, and then like 529 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:00.199 Amba does well, and then you kind of go, like, you know, 530 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.559 golf and tennis, you got like rugby and cricket and all that, 531 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.880 you know, like they can those come out every once in a while. 532 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:14.400 Don Bradman's cricket all that stuff. I don't know. I think Mario Tennis 533 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.280 maybe killed tennis. Yeah, at a certain point you kind of can't compete 534 00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:22.599 with Mario tennis. The last two Mario tennises have also stunk again, going 535 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:28.960 back there, one is pretty okay, was it? We have the good 536 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.159 three golf game. No, the three DS golf game was good. The 537 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:36.840 threes tennis is okay as good as the golf. Golf was very good, 538 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.800 right, that's what it was. We you tennis was dog shit, right, 539 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.519 and I have like nothing to the or no modes. And then yes, 540 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:49.639 Switch was kind of I think the gameplay of Switch Tennis and of the 541 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.119 Switch golf is not quite as good in terms of gameplay. Switch Tennis gameplay 542 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.840 was very good. Everything else around it was pretty bad and and kind of 543 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:02.559 ruined the experience. Otherwise is when the let's schep the game and finish it 544 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.920 later started? Yeah, right, that they invented that Nintendo strategy with that 545 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.159 one, for sure, and they did that with all their sports games, 546 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:15.239 which is just a weird, weird thing that they've done. Okay, I'll 547 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.360 check this out. Seventy dollars seems like a lot, but I like, 548 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.440 like I said, I like tennis games. We'll see, I would prefer 549 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.360 virtual tennis. Come back. I really like virtual tennis. But we do 550 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:29.320 have breaking news, Scott, Yes, yeah, this is the Sega one. 551 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.880 We have breaking news. This comes from a Twitter account called Las Vegas 552 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:38.760 Locally, which says plans to build an Atari hotel in Las Vegas are back 553 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:44.000 on track, four years after the project was first announced. According to the 554 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.599 Review Journal, this is a quote. We are in talks with the land 555 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.960 partners for potential Las Vegas sites. A series of project announcements is coming in 556 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:58.159 the first half of twenty twenty four. Let's fucking go in Antario. Hotel 557 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.559 is back. The dream is not dead. I think I have the hat 558 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.400 like O in a room over there. I think maybe I'll go get it 559 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.079 here in a second. Yeah. When this first got announced, Atari's pr 560 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.920 was like, when it gets finished, we'll bring you out there for the 561 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.719 opening. I'm like, you bet your ass you are. I want to 562 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.400 see what the Atari Hotel is like. Uh, Scott mccraig. When I 563 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:23.679 say Atari Hotel, what are you imagining that could possibly mean? I mean, 564 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.840 I've I've clicked in the link I'm glad it's the shape you wanted to 565 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.239 be, right, exactly. I don't care what to do if it otherwise. 566 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:37.639 They've done the shape, you know, so it's fake whatever for everybody, 567 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.519 whatever they want. I think, good on them, you know, 568 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:46.840 yeah, exactly, good on as infograms Tanta. I don't think it's Infograms 569 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:51.199 anymore. I think it's been sold off since then, and now it's like 570 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.280 Atari is its own thing, but kind of owned by someone new that actually 571 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:58.800 seems to care about Atari in a weird way. Was it not some who 572 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:05.559 who like turned themselves into Atari, Like someone bought the Atari license and then 573 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.159 just reading it was like a THHQ Nordic situation. Yeah, that might have 574 00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:13.000 been Infograms a while back. But then I think they sort of got disillusioned 575 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.159 during or whatever at some point. I can't remember the exact history of Atari 576 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:21.239 at this point, but it's very convoluted and it's definitely not like actually Atari 577 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.719 anymore, and it hasn't been for more than a decade. But this modern 578 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:29.800 Atari is, you know, even since the pandemic is Okay, we are 579 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.280 going to invest in our legacy. We're going to bring back these older Atari 580 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.639 games. Sure, but now we're doing stuff like we're buying some of these 581 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:43.639 other companies that do a lot of remasters for older games that have nothing to 582 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.400 do with Atari, and we're just gonna make nostalgia sort of our business. 583 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:50.480 I wonder if that's still like the play for the hotel. I think at 584 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.320 one time it was like you go in the hotel room and yeah, there'll 585 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:59.599 be some pictures of Atari bullshit on the wall and Atari branding everywhere, and 586 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:01.800 that's kind and I'm like, okay, yeah, that's those that sounds kind 587 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.400 of weird. I think there was gonna be like an Atari museum in the 588 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.639 in the hotel, like okay, yeah, sure. I hope they take 589 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:13.760 it even further and it's just like make it a gaming like classic gaming hotel 590 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.920 and not just Atari, because I don't know if Atari can hold up an 591 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:22.039 entire massive hotel complex on its own. It just doesn't have the brand juice 592 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:29.000 anymore. I don't think ZM. Have they done like blockchain shit, Yeah, 593 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:30.840 it feels I think they did. Yes, I think they did do 594 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:37.679 blockchain shit absolutely. Atarif tesat uh Yeah. I think there was a thing 595 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:45.400 where like you could buy physical sort of like medallions of the old classic games 596 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.639 and then those came with NFT tokens that you could then sell or something like 597 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.519 that. I think that I can. Honestly, some of these companies have 598 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.519 tried so many things that's probably not exactly right, but it's something along those 599 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.440 lines. Yeah. I mean, I assume you talked about the AI stuff 600 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:04.320 already the BombCast yesterday with Greenix. Yeah, yes, the Phone Stars AI. 601 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.840 I'm not out of time until we get the first Atari AI game. 602 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:14.039 Guy, Oh sure, Yeah, Yeah, I mean they probably have already 603 00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:19.360 started using like some AI upscaling for like reimagining some of these old games. 604 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.159 I bet that's something that's happening. But yeah, I mean, like someone 605 00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.760 of the chat says, yeah, GTA across Fortsa says, this game gives 606 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.679 me Blade Runner vibes. Atari was a big part of Blade Runner, I 607 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:35.079 guess, And that's maybe my like underlying like legit excitement probably goes back to 608 00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.039 like seeing the ATARGI logoing Blade Runner and being like, well, I want 609 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:39.559 to live in that future. And I mean, obviously Blade Runner is not 610 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:45.400 this aspirational sci fi film, but I'm a dumbass, so I'm like, 611 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:47.159 yeah, I want to live in that future. So seeing this makes me 612 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:51.719 feel like, yeah, we're there, We've done it, everybody. I'll 613 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:53.480 go to this I'll stay at this hotel. I'll go over to the sphere, 614 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.760 have a giant eyeball look at me, and then I'll buy some noodles 615 00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.280 in the rain in the desert of Las Vegas. My imagination is not very 616 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:04.719 good, everybody, but but this is this is what gets me excited. 617 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.760 I don't know if I can stand by that snatch or rip off. You 618 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:15.719 know, sure of course, you know. God, it's like I said, 619 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.519 and they said, like you know, during the pandemic, Like they're 620 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:22.639 like, no, that's not happening anymore. And I'm like, okay, 621 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.719 well that's cool because they sent me a an Atari Hotel's hat, an Atari 622 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.159 Hotel's shirt, and I think something else. I'm like, okay, cool, 623 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:31.599 So I got these weird things that are one offs. And now I'm 624 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:35.840 way more excited because maybe this means I actually will get a chance to stay 625 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.199 in that hotel. And I'm not going to that hotel unless Jeff Backlar comes 626 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.239 with me. Everybody, I'm gonna drag them back to Las Vegas to stay 627 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:47.679 in the Atari Hotel. Thank you. Very much. I appreciate it. 628 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.559 Well, all right, let's keep going here. Like a Dragon, Infinite 629 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.840 Wealth supports the steam Deck out of the gate. This comes from Jonas Maki 630 00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:00.159 at Game Reactor. Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth Wealth launches on PC, lay 631 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.280 station and Xbox on the twenty third of January or almost there, six days, 632 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.239 offering new adventures in a world controlled by the Yakuza and now ry Rio. 633 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.000 Gyogotoku Studio has confirmed that even more players will be able to join the 634 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.800 fun as the game is steam Deck verified starting day one. While this isn't 635 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.559 entirely surprising considering that like a Dragon Guide and the men who erased his name 636 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.440 ran like a charm on it and included a short Infinite Wealth demo, it 637 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:29.920 is still nice to get a confirmation. I think this is maybe notable because 638 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:32.400 we were at a point there where the steam deck was clearly growing, and 639 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.719 a lot of studios are like, we are gonna get to that, like 640 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.840 probably right around launch we're gonna get there, and Sega seems to be in 641 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:42.719 a place where it's like, no, yeah, no, we just include 642 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.800 steam deck in the go right right from the start, and on day one, 643 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.920 of course it's gonna be running's probably gonna be running fine before day one, 644 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.280 Like we fully embrace the steam Deck, and it's next to see that 645 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.119 that shift has started to happen and that these studios are thinking about the steam 646 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.320 Deck as its own platform and supporting it. And I think it's only a 647 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.639 good thing for a franchise like like a Dragon, that it continues to find 648 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.960 new audiences in new places. Uh, this just confirms that, like, 649 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:08.599 yeah, they are, they know that they can grow and that the steam 650 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:13.119 Deck is a place to do it. Do you have any of these handheld 651 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.559 PCs? Is that how you would ever play these things? Except for me 652 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.119 playing like a Yes, playing a longer game like like a Dragon or any 653 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.000 sort of RPG, I would never be able to do it unless I had 654 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.880 it on a handheld. Does that fit in well with the way you play 655 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:34.679 these games? Uh? Yeah, I'm trying to get in trouble or anything 656 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:44.440 an imaginary world hypothetically. Hypathetically, I've been using remote play a lot recently. 657 00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:52.800 Sure, Yeah, I mean I maybe not like a Dragon, maybe 658 00:45:52.880 --> 00:46:00.119 not. Maybe don't like a Dragons of Spore of a PlayStation game for me, 659 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.920 you know, maybe something like Persona or something like that where it's like 660 00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.039 there's not really these like big cinematics. Uh huh, I would do that. 661 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.320 I like a good RPG handtails, you know what. I waited on 662 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:14.960 dragon quest. I haven't it come to switch? Yeah? Maybe maybe don't 663 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.360 like a dragon that it would be good to have. You know that animal 664 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:24.000 crossing modes. You know again it's not here nor there, but that CHIACKI 665 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.800 for deck is a really great way to stream PlayStation games. Not that you're 666 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.280 playing any of those right now. Yes, yeah, I know. I 667 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:35.119 mean like it's not like, you know, I did try a while to 668 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.599 get to work in you know, my Chiaki, but totally I've been playing 669 00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:45.239 a the Binding of Isaac Reapers. There it is. Yeah, that's that's 670 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:50.599 a good one. That's a good fit for the Steam deck. Let's you 671 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.719 know what, Let's let's keep going. Let's get out of this, Let's 672 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.480 get out of this deep water here that we found ourselves and move on to 673 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.119 this to the sad news, which is just on every episode of this show 674 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.480 for the rest of history. It seems like Thunderful Group, which is a 675 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.719 publishing company that I'm a big fan of, announces plans to lay off twenty 676 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:13.280 percent of its staff. This comes from Chris Scully and at PVGC. Swedish 677 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.320 video game holding company Thunderful Group has announced plans to lay off a fifth of 678 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:21.280 its staff. The group, which consists of around thirty subsidiaries, including seven 679 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.880 development studios and three publishers, including Rising Star Games, released a statement today 680 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:30.679 saying it was it was planning to restructure operations for strength strengthened long term competitiveness. 681 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.679 According to the statement, the restructuring is down to a number of over 682 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:39.760 investments made by Thunderful in the last few years. As always, it's the 683 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.639 same story these companies. The people in charge of these companies made a decision 684 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.280 to over invest and make big bets that didn't pay off, and who pays 685 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.800 for it people getting laid off. Now, I do believe that Thunderful has 686 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.719 had some changes at the top level. Trying might be misremembering that, but 687 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.480 at least there was talks of that in the last few months. Maybe felt 688 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:05.840 last few weeks, but still like at the end of the day, the 689 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.039 people really paying for this are other people getting laid off. Twenty percent of 690 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:14.079 your staff, a fifth of the company. That's rough stuff and Thonderful like 691 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.559 is a creative like publishing group. I'm a big fan of the Steam World 692 00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:22.920 stuff, but at certain points like okay, yeah, they keep they kept 693 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.519 trying stuff, and not all of that is hitting the way or it's not 694 00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.920 growing in any real way. It's probably finding the same audience over and over 695 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.400 again, and you would imagine like, okay, well build a business around 696 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.239 that. But every single one of these companies is looking to grow. And 697 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.920 here we are once again, Scott. Do you think there's any chance we 698 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.159 get through this like rough part of the year or is this just going to 699 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.719 be the story throughout twenty twenty four of a lot of these companies continuing to 700 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:52.519 cut back. So, you know, Covid was a time, wasn't it, 701 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.880 you know, like suff was really popping off. Then I think it 702 00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:00.199 a loss. Studios grew and it did very well the games industry, you 703 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.960 know, and a lot of the games that you know, last year was 704 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.360 only so packed because probably half of those games were mental come out earlier before 705 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:12.760 covid Ham, right, But I think in the long run, you know, 706 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.480 that growth that everyone had during the you know, during the pandemic, 707 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.079 only the likes are like Sony and even then they've had laos, but only 708 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.079 like the big people are going to be able to like keep that kind of 709 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:32.760 momentum in a way, and you know, it's it's kind of up to 710 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.440 the you know those at the top, you know, who are like they 711 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:39.119 like and I know this is not the same thing, but I keep going 712 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.719 on about this fucking Embracer group stuff where like, oh, we had a 713 00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.800 deal with a certain someone, right, oh fuck, the deal didn't go 714 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.159 through. Guess we've got a sack out, like you know, like it's 715 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.320 it's obviously it's no fault of the developers. I know that Steam World the 716 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.920 New Steam World have not played it yet. I don't people really like that, 717 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:05.800 like, but you know, some foresight maybe probably would have benefited a 718 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.000 lot of places in terms of and again not foresight from like anyone, but 719 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:14.119 like those at the top, you know, like pushing so much and like 720 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:20.400 so much, like you know, getting these expectations based on how things were 721 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.199 when everyone was locked inside, and you know the growth that came with that. 722 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:28.639 You know, it's sad, but it seems like it was gonna bound 723 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.639 to go to ship sooner than later. Yeah, I mean, there's like 724 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:37.119 wonderful people are wonderful. You know, absolutely chat with you in my days 725 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.199 and you know, good games plan at Atlanta was very good. You know, 726 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.519 so like I don't know, I don't blame them for wanting to grow, 727 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.599 but you know, it's not the kind of ends up like this small 728 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.639 than than not. Yeah, I mean I get like, you're right, 729 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:58.159 the pandemic happened and you start you get more money in your pocket as these 730 00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.599 companies and at a certain point, the way that the whole system is set 731 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.519 up, which is why it's like, you know, a lot, it's 732 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.199 a shame that the people the bottom aways pay for it, but at a 733 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.840 certain point, like I'm not even that interested in always blaming the people at 734 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:15.360 the top. It's a systemic issue. It's the system that the demands that 735 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:20.320 you take that money that you've made and make bigger bets that pay off even 736 00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.840 bigger next time. You have to do that. If you're in charge of 737 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.079 one of these companies, there is a very like very rarely are you going 738 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:31.920 to exist in a financial environment where that is not just encouraged but expected and 739 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:38.559 in many countries legally obligated to your shareholders to do that. And so yeah, 740 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:40.480 you come out of the pandemic, and you have that money, you 741 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.880 got to make some big bets and then you got to like follow up on 742 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:46.840 those bets. And now the pandemic's over, not as much money is coming 743 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.239 in, and you got to still follow up on those bets. And Okay, 744 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.039 well we've over overextended our excuse me, over extended ourself and we're screwed. 745 00:51:55.079 --> 00:52:00.519 And now we got to pull this lever that drops you know, twenty 746 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:05.400 percent of the of your staff down into a well. It is the kind 747 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:09.679 of thing where it feels like we should be a better answer to it, 748 00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:15.280 but like asking anyone company to change, it's just not going to work unless 749 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:16.679 we could change at a systemic level. And that doesn't feel like it's even 750 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.840 on the horizon no matter how many times we go through this and know that 751 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:25.400 change is needed to fundamentally improve people's lives. I mean, when likes of 752 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.239 Epic are having to lay off what was it? It was like a huge 753 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.559 number and I don't have it to hand. It was something like, you 754 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:35.440 know, like, yeah, it was like close to a one thousand, 755 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.920 right, there was almost a thousand people when even Epic Games, mister Fortnite 756 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:45.079 itself, you know, as struggling. You know what, hope do you 757 00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:50.159 know a lot of places have hope again, Like I say this every time, 758 00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.559 Hopefully we've we've gone for the rest of the Hopefully you know, we 759 00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:59.880 won't hear anything for another like you know year, yeh yeah, I mean 760 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.599 yeah. If these companies are really going to get lean, you know, 761 00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:07.880 the good news does continue to be that the jobs are still open in this 762 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.840 industry. Talent is still in demand. I hope most of these people are 763 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.639 able to find jobs quickly or if they want to get out of gaming, 764 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.119 I don't blame them. I'm sure they'll be able to take their significant skills 765 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:22.159 elsewhere. All right, last couple things here, Golden Sun. Both those 766 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.400 games are out on Nintendo Switch Online right now, and then Xbox Game Pass 767 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:30.840 is stacked for the second half of January. That's from Levi Winslow Katak, 768 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.480 who says, we're halfway through January, where where's the time going? And 769 00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:37.519 Microsoft has revealed the rest of the games you could download this month with your 770 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.559 Xbox Game Pass subscription. I'll jump down here to where they actually list this, 771 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.840 Levi writes. For the second half of January twenty twenty four, Xbox 772 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.039 Game Pass titles include Those Who Remain, which is available today, Turn Up 773 00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.280 Boy Robs a Bank, which is out January eighteenth, which I tried. 774 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.199 I tried to bid on for my Fantasy critically because I think it's probably gonna 775 00:53:55.199 --> 00:54:00.320 do okay, but apparently it's going to be out before the bid would so 776 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.079 I wasn't allowed. I thought this was America, but apparently apparently it's not 777 00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.679 allowed. F one twenty three is out January eighteenth. Powe World's out January 778 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:12.960 nineteenth. I can't wait. Go Mecca Ball is out January twenty fifth, 779 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.639 which friends have been recommending to me. I want to check that out. 780 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:20.280 Brotatoes out January thirtieth. I think that's had a mobile game for a while. 781 00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.400 And then Persona three Reload is out February second on game Pass. So 782 00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:29.400 that's that's a pretty decent list for the next half of the month, and 783 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.320 I think it's going to continue through February March, so game Pass continues to 784 00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:38.519 be pretty good. Yeah, I mean yeahs oh, go ahead, please? 785 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:45.239 Sorry, Like, how's I say it's weird going on to this after 786 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:50.679 you know what we just talked about? Like, how I hope you know 787 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:52.760 how is that sustainable? You know, I think that kind of ties onto 788 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:58.440 it. Yeah, I think the point where I'm worried about is this something 789 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.719 we talked about. I'm on my Game the Sides podcast last night or Less 790 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:07.679 than ten Dogs. Excuse me that. You know, people think games are 791 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.119 The reason people like owning their games is because they have cost fifty to sixty 792 00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:14.840 dollars their entire lives, and that means you have to view games as special 793 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:16.079 if you're going to get into this hobby and you have to view the next 794 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:20.519 game is the next special thing you're going to pick up in order to justify 795 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:23.599 it to yourself. And so when we talk about that that Ubisoft quote, 796 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:29.000 which it was a little bit twisted out out of you know exactly what the 797 00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:32.519 person was intending, But whatever, it's still the conversation of people that need 798 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.760 to get used to not owning their games. Well, I don't know if 799 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.079 these companies should want that. I mean it just because it's going to grow 800 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:43.400 your subscription. I think you want. The value for these companies in the 801 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.920 gaming public is that we do view games as special and are willing to spend 802 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.199 sixty to seventy dollars on these games like, that's crazy, no one's doing 803 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.519 No one would do that for movies or an album. That's just that's you 804 00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:59.639 could never charge charge that much except for like a special collector's edition of Taylor 805 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:05.360 Swift and that's it, and do any significant amount of money or numbers with 806 00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.679 that. But gaming got to a point where it's like, no, we've 807 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.000 convinced you that it's worth this amount of money, and now to try to 808 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.119 erode that to make it feel like more like mobile gaming or whatever, that's 809 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:17.519 risky. And it does feel like the kind of thing where if like you're 810 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.760 you be soft, why would you want that because it doesn't seem like it's 811 00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:23.639 going to benefit you in the long run, Like how many people are actually 812 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:28.039 going to buy Prince of pairs of the Lost carin right? Yeah, right, 813 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.000 exactly, but right, And it's and the fact that they, you 814 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:35.679 know, it's fifty dollars, people are already like, I don't know. 815 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.480 And it's like, man, there was a world where like we could have 816 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.360 continued to push the boundary of now it actually is worth that amount of money, 817 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:44.519 and it's like instead, it's like trying to meet people where they're at. 818 00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:46.760 I get it, obviously, that's beneficial in the long run for driving 819 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:52.440 down prices is a good thing for consumers. But the race to the bottom 820 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.000 is like the secret thing behind that. And we saw what that looks like 821 00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.440 on Mobile and I just think it's probably in the end something where we want 822 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.280 to find some ance instead of just trying to erode the perception of value. 823 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.400 Uh okay, you know what we got a pull from. Uh let's see 824 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:12.239 last week because we did not do an episode on Monday. I'm gonna get 825 00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.239 to that here at a second. But while I do that, Scott, 826 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:15.760 why don't tell people where they can find you what you have going on? 827 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:22.199 All that good stuff. You can find me on Murdog, kodyk Ford, 828 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.679 Slash Gaming. That's my kind of news thing. I mean, I'm not 829 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:28.079 there this week, but you know I'm there most of the time. Catch 830 00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:31.000 my latest and greates to Fortnite gates. You know, if you want to 831 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:36.159 learn how to talk to the checking man in Fortnite, I'm your man. 832 00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:39.599 But you know, Twitter is the best place I will post in the chat. 833 00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:44.400 I post all my kind of big stuff there. If you don't really 834 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:46.880 fancy checking out my my Fortnite gates, in which case how dare you. 835 00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:55.239 I've got some reviews coming up the you know, the the deep thinkers of 836 00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:00.320 you. Well maybe I figured out by the end of this podcas Us, 837 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:05.199 but you know, I'm not saying anything. But you know I have reviews 838 00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:08.159 coming up for the rest of the year, you know, And if you 839 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:13.440 ask me, I'm the best of all time. I'm the greatest, So 840 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.840 you know, don't beat anyone else's get to me, and I'm kind of 841 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:23.159 everyone's fantastic. Read all the reviews of the upcoming games, especially ones that 842 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:29.519 other people who are in this chat maybe writing about the same games as me, 843 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:35.440 because they'll be good as well. But you know, I'm all over 844 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:40.559 the place. It's the simple answer. And you can catch me here again, 845 00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:50.039 hope play. Assuming I'm not getting fired after this. I made yes, 846 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.519 I made you say all that. That's that's not your fault. You're 847 00:58:52.800 --> 00:59:00.480 free. Okay, there we go. All right, So jam put this 848 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.400 image in slack when I was talking about layoffs, and I looked at it 849 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.880 and I was doing my best not to laugh because that would have been inappropriate. 850 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.880 But I'm gonna bring it up for you all right now after the pole 851 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:14.440 becas let's do the poll real quick, which game return are you most excited 852 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:17.920 about? Uh? Six percent said Felix the Cat, Eleven percent said Rocket 853 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.639 Night, thirty six percent said okay, boomer uh, and then forty seven 854 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.480 percent said Golden Sun. So the Golden Sun fans have outweighed the people who 855 00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.960 want to call me a boomer. I think mostly that comes down to they 856 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.400 don't want to admit that Golden Sun is like twenty years old, twenty almost 857 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:40.679 twenty five years old, right, and everything before PS three is like, 858 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:45.760 get exactly, yes, this is old Head. Golden Sun is an old 859 00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:50.119 Head game as well. That's exactly what I'm getting at here, all right, 860 00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.199 and then let's see if I can bring this in real quick. Okay. 861 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.119 When I started as a feature writer, I had a bit of a 862 00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:59.880 hard time because I was like, I want to talk about PS two games, 863 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.079 and obviously, as an editor, you want to be like, you 864 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:06.840 know, we want to talk you know, talk at Elden rings. Scott, 865 01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:12.920 I went no, God hand though, you know, all right, 866 01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:20.000 let's see the cold never bothered him anyway. Okay, later today, all 867 01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.880 right, let's get that just right there. Later today we will be doing 868 01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:28.199 Blake Club, and my game is done. Everybody. I finished it. 869 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.960 I am free for quite some time. I couldn't be more excited. Right 870 01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:36.599 to hell. Retribution truly was a ride to hell. And I don't think 871 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:40.000 I ever got any retribution, at least not personally. But I did beat 872 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:44.360 the game and I'm free, and that means up next to Dan Ryker. 873 01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:47.159 But he hurt his fingy. He hurt his fingy. So we decided, 874 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:51.360 by we, I mean just being Dan, that Mike would go next and 875 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:57.400 we would do Mortal Kombat Mitchetologies, Mike mcqwanchie. The cold never bothered him 876 01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:02.679 anyway. There it is. Look at that image. If you are listening 877 01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.920 to the audio version of this, just go to giant bomb dot com. 878 01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:09.679 Probably by the time that you are hearing this, we are almost certainly live 879 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:15.800 or it's up on the site of him playing the first episode of Mortal Kombat 880 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:20.840 Mythologies sub zero on the PlayStation. And I am very, very excited about 881 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:23.920 this. This is incredible work, Jam just incredible work out there. I'm 882 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.519 messed up. AI could don't do that. A no, A, I 883 01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.679 could never. It's the same thing with these like Chetty Homer Simpson Clubs. 884 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:37.280 For your second a song, get me a bad impression that you know absolutely 885 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:42.199 ever you are like that, right. You can feel the blood, sweat 886 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:46.280 and tears that went into that photoshop edit right there, Mike. He's going 887 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:52.239 to paint his face for this first episode everybody after that the easiest part playing 888 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.960 that game. He's also gonna wear a bald cap, which is maybe the 889 01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:58.800 greatest thing that's ever gonna happen, is he's gonna wear a ball cap over 890 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:02.039 his bald head. Uh, it's gonna be beautiful, everybody, He promised 891 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:06.800 for every episode, you are differitely wearing the bald cap. Are you kidding 892 01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.440 me? He just said in Chanty's not wearing the bald cap. I okay, 893 01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:14.039 then you're doing another game in a row because it's part of the costume, 894 01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:15.320 he asked. Why. I'm sorry, I'm arguing, Mike. Now, 895 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.880 this is a good podcasts up to hear. I don't know if any 896 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.480 who's seen the Breaking Bad movie. He's got bald cap on this up. 897 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:28.079 Get one of those. He's such a poor sport everybody. He never goes 898 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.360 along, he never just plays along. He's always got to fight back about 899 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.840 it, just because he's already bald, doesn't he has to wear a bald 900 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.519 cap. All right, you know what, let's let's get out of here, 901 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.840 Scott, uh, thank you. We let's do a new pole question. 902 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.639 Are we free at Billy Mitchell? Now? Yes or no? All 903 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:47.400 right, you tell me that's the new pole question. We'll discuss it on 904 01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:53.239 Giant Bombs Games mornings tomorrow. Speaking of tomorrow on Giant Bomb Yes, we'll 905 01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:59.559 have voicemail dumb Trek. We're going to play No Power World's on Friday. 906 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:01.320 On Thursday, I think, oh, I'm starting Tail of the Sun. 907 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:06.159 That's right, the PS one weird game that Dan says is good, that 908 01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:08.880 EGM gave like a one out of ten or whatever. I am going to 909 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:12.840 play that Tale of the Grub look out for that. That'll be happy after 910 01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.960 game. Best morning tomorrow. All right, Scott McGray, thank you so 911 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.360 much for hanging out with me today and talking about video games. I really 912 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:23.000 appreciate it. Leisure, happy to be back, happy to so. I 913 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:25.480 trying to make you something funny to say there, but I'm flyatting, but 914 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.039 I'm busy. I've got a lot going on. It's too much. It's 915 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:31.760 too much as going on. Yeah, we'll also talk over the Xbox developer 916 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:35.719 direct. But we'll discuss that tomorrow on Gameless Mornings as well, because we'll 917 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:37.320 kind of do a little preview of what to expect from that. All right, 918 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:39.800 thanks for watching everybody. Until next time, have a good one, 919 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.320 take care of yourself, and goodbye.