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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. We are on location here

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in uh what this is, Long
Island Lake. How do you say it

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wrong? Un kunkaka run. I
think it's wrong, conca coma, but

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it's actually Lee's Oh you got it? What it was it? Ron Kunkama?

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Say it again, Ron Kunkama,
ron Cunkama. So maybe we'll wander

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away from the wedding music, but
we're here at least Spiegel's wedding. This

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is uh myself. Martin Willis,
of course, is here with us to

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do some news, and we're joined
by a special guest, Mark D'Antonio.

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Hey, how's it going and what's
happening? Yeah, so we're gonna do

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some news here and then otherwise coming
up in just a second will be our

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guest. And our guest this week
is Danny Silva of the Silver Record,

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So we'll be talking about some of
the latest news regarding like the Navy videos

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and all that good stuff. But
over here by the lake, let's first

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talk with these couple of characters.
I guess I should also apologize I haven't

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done a show in a couple of
months, but that's because we had the

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UFO Congress which of course is a
lot of work. And then I moved,

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so I moved up my house,
I sold my house. I had

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to move out of there and then
move to a different state. So it's

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been really crazy, and that's why
I haven't done a show in a while.

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But lucky leve had Martin to listen
to and you had a great show.

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How did your show go the other
day? You had Kevin Day,

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Gary Voor, He's Robert Powell.
Am I missing anybody? Nou myself,

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but you know, I'm just in
the background. No, it went great.

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I enjoyed hearing some things I hadn't
heard before, and like what well,

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for instance, I'd never heard of
Gary's story basically and h and his

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experience and actually that he actually witnessed
the the Tic tac Ufo through the I

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think they call him the Big Eye. Their binoculars are in trouble. Yeah,

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we just got lorraines here that the
bride came out and busted us.

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Oh yeah, busted, absolutely busted
with the to be. Can you be

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surprised. I'm sure if we told
Lee we were doing this, he would

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come out and want to be definitely, be right, definitely, which is

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why I told him it was time
to cut the cake. Oh, it's

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cake cutting time. All right,
Well, we'll put this on pause and

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we'll go cut some cake. All
right, we are back outside. We

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got busted by the bride Lorraine,
because it was time to eat cake and

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we were out here doing UFO stuff. Let us cake. Yes, She's

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like, oh, I should have
known. You guys are out here recording

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and you're supposed to be in here
when we're out here doing UFO stuff.

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By the way, we're out by
this beautiful lake that only Mark can pronounce

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the name of ron Kunkama and uh
no UFOs. But this is a great

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spotting area. If there there's to
be any US by USO, absolutely,

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Oh you know what, let's bring
that into the news. Let's start it

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off with that. If that's cool. There's some talk. Martin's like,

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I wasn't ready for this. I
wasn't ready for that in particular. But

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I did see it about the David
Fraverer interview with Joe Rogan, and he

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talks about this torpedo that was up
near the surface, and I believe there

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was a diver next sword or near
it, and a black object came up

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from the depths that looked like a
disc. Am I getting that right?

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So far? I think you got
it right. I believe that, and

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it looks like his in his words, it swallowed the torpedo. Now,

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was this something he witnessed deeps?
I think it was an account from secondhand?

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Yeah, yeah, wild, But
I do remember that. I remember

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that. I of course I'm I'm
somewhat partial to USOS having witnessed one.

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Your submarine adventures have more time.
We'll talk about that eventually when you you

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know, we can't what were you
going to see? You're going to follow

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up on that? No, I
said, we can follow up on the

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on Mark's Yeah. Yeah, So
the USO story, So that's out there.

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That's kind of interesting. And somebody
wrote about it. Oh, Popular

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mechanics wrote an article about it,
and they were actually very positive, where

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popular mechanics can be very skeptical,
and I don't think I think sometimes they

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go a little too far. I
think they take cues from the Navy and

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what the official Navy stance is,
and the official Navy stance has changed.

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This is key. It used to
be that the Navy would just clam up,

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you know. I know that from
experience having working for them a lot.

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But unfortunately, the Navy's put up
against the wall on these things because

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there's too many people talking about them, including their own people. So now

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they either have to say they're all
wrong, they're all lying, or yeah,

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we haven't been telling you exactly everything
that there is to tell. And

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now that's why they've admitted that these
things do have merit. And you know

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they've changed their policy for instructing their
naval personnel. You've talked about it yourself.

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Yeah, I was recently in you
know, my real job is in

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antiques and art and stuff like that, and I was recently in a home

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where the guy said he was a
Navy aviation control or something like that.

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I'm not sure exactly what his position
was in California. He recently retired,

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and I asked him what he thought
about the Navy coming out with UFOs,

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if you heard anything about it,
or coming out with being able to discuss

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UFOs pilots and stuff like that.
He said, that's very very interesting,

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he said, you know what,
I was out in California. We used

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to see these things on the radar, and he said they would be visible

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and then they disappear and show up
over somewhere else. And he said,

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I just always thought it was some
experimental thing because we were near some bases

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that did experimental aircraft. And he
said, so I just left it at

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that and never thought much about it. Let's see the from a physics point

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of view, if we look at
some of the ways and methodologies in which

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they think they meaning a lot of
us who do this research and plus other

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people out there, the way these
things are propelled that apparent vanishing and reappearing

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somewhere else is actually very consistent with
the physics that would generate such a visual

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effect to us watching it. So
we're not too far away from actually knowing

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whether that's a real thing. So
are you saying that this technology would entail

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being able to kind of disappear and
reappear in in their location, or just

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move so quickly that it would appear
that they're not moving, but they are.

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They actually never traverse the space in
between their locations where the origin and

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destination. They actually punch out of
our four dimensions X y Z, move

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with your time, and then punch
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That's one of the that's one of
the thoughts. That's one of the ways

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they think that maybe these things are
propelled again, they being researchers and folks

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that have looked into string theory in
other ways in which these things work.

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One of the main thought processes is
that flying saucers in UFOs were triangles and

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circular because they're particle accelerators, and
if they accelerate particles a certain way,

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then it can be shown through physics. You can actually see the equations I

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can show them to that actually show
you how certain particles get generated that will

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allow these craft to exit our four
dimensions and punch in somewhere else kind of

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at a moment's notice. If that
technology can be shown and proven to the

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satisfactories of a lot of academia,
that changes everything for how we can travel

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interstellar because as long as we can
harness the energy to do this right,

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then we should be able to do
that in the future and we could punch

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out, punch in anywhere we want. Think about that. What do you

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mean by anywhere you want? I
mean, does it have a limitation for

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distance? I don't have a clue. I do know that if we were

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to punch out and punch in right
now for us, if we had this

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technology, maybe we could punch out
and punch in, punch out and show

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maybe near the moon or something.
I don't know. I don't know if

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distance is a limitation or if it's
more likely the energy is the limitation.

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We have to have the right amount
of energy to be able to do these

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these these punches, so to speak. I think you lost me at punch,

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but I'm not sure. Yeah,
that U When we get into this

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kind of science, it makes my
head feel like it's in a centrifugure and

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a you know, spinning around,
but I mean a lot of spinning.

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So that's why, Yeah, that
could be plus miles an hour. Well,

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some people argue that, you know, that's what essentially Bobblasar is describing

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that their dish shape because they're kind
of like a particle accelerator. How do

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you feel about Lazar's explanation of physics? Don't get them going any of that

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pizza left? Well, okay,
frankly, I'm on the fence about Bob

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Blazar myself personally, and the reason
I am is not because I'm trying to

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play both sides, but because of
the fact that I'm I'm very concerned.

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Well, some of the things he
says, the lack of his background and

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cod the US government wipe out everyone's
background. I don't know. If I

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knew that for sure, then I
would say that maybe he's you know,

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more believable than that. What about
the science, though, the science actually

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is something that well, let's be
honest, he was talking about element one

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fifteen before element one fifteen. That's
not true though, I mean, there

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wasn't now scientists have been talking about
one fifteen since the seventies. That he

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was talking about properties of element one
fifteen that we found to be in the

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periodic table. In the end,
we figured that out. I would need

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to see that. I definitely have
not seen evidence of that. But anyway,

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interesting, Yeah, I wanted to
hear what you think, and you're

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you're more positive about the science than
I had expected, which is interesting.

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But let's get into some other stories
that are out there, and I think

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Martin, you have some ready for
us. Well, I just wanted to

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talk about this because we have an
astronomer with us, Mark di'antonio. So

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this this has been out in the
news a bit. A former NASA scientists

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is convinced we already found life on
Mars. I know this is in UFO

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related, but it is very interesting
when you consider, you know, the

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key part of this means actually discovering
life elsewhere besides here on planet Earth,

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of off world. That's the saying. Yeah, so, Mark, I

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know you we just talked earlier.
Didn't get a chance to read this article,

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but what do you think about the
possibility of life already being discovered on

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Mars? Well, as you mentioned
earlier, Martin, back in the seventies,

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when the Viking laboratories were baking samples, they didn't have the capability to

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really truly discern whether the results indicated
there might have been life at Mars,

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either at presently or at that time
or at one time. But we now

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have landers on Mars that can do
this. The Insight Lander is doing some

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processes now on Mars that will dictate
whether life was ever possible. We think

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it is. We think it was, and the reason is because we can

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see indicators in the rock strata that
Mars was once a very wet place that

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to us says, well, water
is the basis of life on Earth.

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We all started in the water.
That's why we have salinity in our skin.

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We took a little vestigial ocean with
us as we left the ocean.

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That's why we're salty. Okay,
Well, that said Mars also had oceans

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at one time and also large lakes. Now would that have been long enough

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for life to form? Well,
it seems that's possible because even though the

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lakes dried up several billion years ago
and the oceans disappeared long ago, it's

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still possible that microbes tenacious as they
are, continued to hold on. I

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reference things like tarte grays, which
can exist in a vacuum of space and

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then go into cryptobiosis where they just
shut down and go into hibernation. Fifty

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years later, you give them some
water and they're back to life. Right.

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They're also referred to as water and
for people who don't know, they're

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kind of like a little caterpillar looking
thing that is microscopic. That's right,

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that's right. And I just imagine
if any of those were like the size

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of a building, that everybody run
for their lives because they are fierce looking

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monsters. Have you watched Star Trek
Discovery, of course, yeah, they

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kind of that was like a big
tartar grade looking thing they had captured.

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But let me ask you this,
So you talk about the insight lander checking

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for water out right now, from
the way I understand it from talking with

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different people with NASA, we really
don't have yet a lander that can check

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for life. Just they can check
for signs of possible life or signs that

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life could have existed. But really, I guess from what I understand,

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they would need to outfit one of
those landers with a microscope where it could

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look at some of these things and
send those images back to discover that.

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But I think somebody's got that.
Is that the essay or one of our

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future landers. I think they are
going to do this well. Mars twenty

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twenty is also heading to Mars some
point, and that's gonna have some capabilities

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like that. We also have to
remember that back in twenty twelve, the

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most complete laboratory we ever launched landed
on Mars successfully, and that was Curiosity.

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It is a complete Mars science laboratory. It has more instrumentation on it

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than any other lander on Mars has
ever had. More than Spirit, more

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than Opportunity, more than Pathfinder,
more than any the others. This one

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had it all and it's still tooling
along in this twenty nineteen and it's been

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going since twenty twelve. Pretty good
considering it only had a ninety day warranty.

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Yeah, frick and awesome. So
another one I wanted to ask about

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was a sighting in North Carolina,
so essentially a video has taken off the

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coast. There are these lights in
the sky. Yeah, do you have

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that one? I know, but
I know about it, and I believe

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that was determined to be flairs if
I'm thinking about the same one, or

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is that the one on the lake? I think you're right, there is

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one recently that today is probably flares
from Marines. Have you seen that video?

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I have and I actually sent it
to you. Actually you did,

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yes, Thank you Martin uh.
And I hadn't had a chance to find

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out whether there were any air guard
drills going on in the area that could

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account for those lights. To me, they look like parachute flares. I've

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seen parachute flairs. I've seen them
deployed, I've seen them come down.

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I know how, and I photographed
them and I know what they look like.

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Great to meet you too, Thank
you so much. Let's see thank

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you, thank you, thank you, you too, I had to say

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by some wedding guests there, Yeah, should keep that in So the bottom

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line for me was that although these
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actually can research that, I won't
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until I researched it. But if
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to believe. Someone has come up
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looking to see if I can find
that. Now. Yeah, it through

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his very high tech computer that holds
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cell phone, sell something cell phone. I don't see any cells, but

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anyway, of course, in Phoenix, this happens a lot with the Goldwater

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Range. They launch flares all the
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with some of the images I saw
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were so clear, and Goldwater Range
is like you know, some of the

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where these photos the objects were were
like eighty miles away. But having lived

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out there, I of course made
it a point to take some video and

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photos. And sure enough, you
don't see smoke. People are like you

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would see smoke. No, you
don't see smoke, and they fall so

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slowly I believe it is because they're
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they don't emit much smoke either,
and they're extremely bright, and they fall

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when they're at that distance so slowly. It doesn't look like they're falling,

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but they are. I can tell
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that were about eighty miles away past
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in desert, and I zoomed in
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smoke because when I zoomed in,
I could see smoke, but it's so

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low surface brightness compared to what the
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it's impossible to see it. Yeah, okay unless you actually block out the

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flare. Okay. And when I
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see the smoke trailing upwards, very
very clearly. It's the same reason surface

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brightness smoke. Right. Several people
will ask why don't you see stars when

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you're taking pictures of the moon or
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planets because the planet is so bright
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dimmer, just like we have with
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mean you go outside, or you're
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you that are dim if you're looking
at seven bright, that's right. You

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know, when you when you photograph
the night sky, Okay, you can

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photograph the night sky and see plenty
of stars, but then turn right around

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and take a photograph which shows the
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kind of decent, and see no
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the stars are point lights and to
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a lot more unless you've got a
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which is a planet right each in
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up in the sky, well then
you might see a little hint of those,

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but you have to take a time
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we went to the moon, and
we did go to the moon, okay

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to all those who think we may
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you and I didn't haven't gone yet. Oh you haven't been there with me.

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No, we're looking into it.
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photograph of the moon, is an
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lunar surface, which actually isn't very
bright. It's only got like a thirteen

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or eighteen percent reflectivity, believe it
or not, and everything else, of

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course, is a lot darker.
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moon right, you are hopelessly still
unable to see the stars. But if

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you did a time exposure and aim
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minute or whatever, you'd see plenty
of stars galore. But then the moon

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would be blown right out right white, which is actually set my phones to

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people don't the HDR mode, which
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good point, thank you. They'll
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combine those pictures so the object is
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you could get some pictures where you
have things that are very dim in the

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photo where you couldn't have otherwise.
It's still a show, that's right,

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And you have the latitude to play
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play with the brightness setting essentially.
But that's what your phone is doing in

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HDR move it's taking multiple photos.
That's right, that's right. You're absolutely

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right. We got room for maybe
one more story. You got another one

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in there, Mark, since Marcus
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he thought about astronomers detecting twenty more
moons off of Saturn and why now,

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why did it takes so long?
Do you know that? Well, these

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are not very large moons. These
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the technology to do this detection a
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that's the reason. Well, don't
forget, Okay, we used to think

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that the Jupiter and setn had far
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It's just a little while ago.
Right now it's up to eighty two.

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Right, So that happened, of
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discern moons and the effects these little
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environs. What do you suppose these
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why didn't they coagulate together and make
bigger moons? Probably for I'm only

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guessing here, but probably for the
same reason that Saturn's rings never made it

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into being a moon. Okay,
proximity to Saturn. There's title forces that

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are in play, and these title
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less to be torn apart. Again. Right, it's something called the Roche

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limit, and it's nothing that could
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size at that location in the Saturn's
environment, because of course the gravity Saturn

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has, it'll tear it apart from
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Lee's wedding now and we're kind of
ready. You can hear the kids running

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around in the background. We're just
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think I said it right, but
you're talking about moons. Both of you

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has given me an idea. Yeah, there's a window right there we can

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go press against and give the audience
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videotape that's right. Yeah, Okay, you doing that? Okay, get

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your video cameras ready, here we
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online when, ah what Monday tomorrow
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If you guys watch, you'll see
Alejandro mooning a wedding crowd. Aha,

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and congratulations to Lee. He's too
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hi to all his family and friends, so we couldn't get him out here.

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But congratulations Lee and Lorraine. Some
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friend. It was a wonderful wedding, just wonderful, all right. So

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after this break we will get to
our guests at Danny Silva, so stay

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tuned. I am happy to have
back on the show. Danny Silva of

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the Silva Record. Hello, Danny, what's up A It was great to

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see you the other day finally in
person. Yep, great to see you

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too. So yeah, we got
to see each other in Dallas, which

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is where you're from, right,
Yep. That was for worth Yep,

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Dallas, Texas. So a lot
of I was surprised. I was out

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there for alien con uh for people
who aren't aware. Last weekend another one

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of the things that caused me not
to have a show recently. I was

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surprised at the airport when in San
Diego and even in Phoenix, how many

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people flew out for the Cowboys game
on Sunday. Yeah, you know,

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it's like it's like a religion.
Not here. They do not play around,

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I guess. So the traffic is
crazy and people get crazy. People

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get depressed if they lose around the
city, and from what I understand,

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they got like they got killed,
they got Yeah. The usually ends up

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happening. Yeah, so yeah,
And there were a lot of Packer fans

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too, but man, we're there. The airport was full of people in

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Jerseys, mostly younger couples, but
people who just flew out for that,

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although I talked to some Alien Connors
who said they flew out for the Alien

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con end the football game two Birds
of loftone. You know the Cowboy Cowboys

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fans all over the country too,
so yep, yep, we got them

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here in Phoenix. We also have
lots of Bronco fans, which is cool

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because I'm a I'm a Denver,
right. But one of the things that

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you've been up to, of course, on the Silver Record, which is

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Silverrecord dot com, you cover a
lot of to the Stars news, and

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you've been covering something really interesting and
this has been an exclusive for you.

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But it's regarding uh to the Stars
reaching out to foreign countries and foreign governments

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to entice them or at least tell
them, you know, the that they

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think that they should be essentially investigating
UFOs as well. And why now,

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how did you run across this story? There was a video released by a

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man named Sabir Hussain and he is
running the India Pakistan Initiative, and he

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did a quick YouTube video and he
mentioned he had quotes in the video from

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Lou and from put Off and other
people. And you know there's a lot

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of crazy stuff on YouTube. Well, I don't usually believe it, but

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after a friend of mine, Steven, brought the video to my attention,

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I was able to ask around and
I was able to make sure that the

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comments in the video were in fact
from Lou and put Off and everyone else,

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and they were. So I thought
that was pretty cool that I was

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able to just confirm it as authentic. And then from there on I kind

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of just dug in we were the
nature of Lou's and doctor Help put Off's

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comments. And for those who don't
remember, you know put Help put Off

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is a pretty much the lead scientist
working with to the Stars. He owns

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the company that they're also partnered with
on the Adam project to research the materials

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they found. And I'm putting you
on the spot a little bit here,

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but you probably remember, do you
remember the company I can't remember right now

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that put Off reg Erthtech exactly,
Yeah, with Eric Davis as part of

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that. And I believe put Off
Son helps him run it, yeah,

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Colin, mm hmm, but yeah, the it was basically what the YouTube

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video had was just excerpts from their
letters. Lou and doctor put Off each

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wrote a letter to the Chief Justice
of India that's in India's Supreme Court.

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I think I'm getting that correctly and
just basically stating their case and saying that

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they agreed with Sabir's initiative and that
the two countries need to be careful.

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They don't want a misidentification of UAP
around their nuclear facilities or something like that,

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and that would cause, you know, some sort of a military event

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because tensions are so high already in
that area. And do you know who

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is this Sabir. He's a UFO
researcher. I think he's written a book.

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I've been in contact with him a
little bit. He seems like a

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nice guy. Since the story,
I was able to contact him, and

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he's still at this. He's having
some trouble the It doesn't sound like the

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judges and people are he's meeting with
are taking him too seriously. But he's

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staying at it. And even if
it doesn't succeed, I think it's just

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interesting to see how to the stars
is operating, and how they care about

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some of these other issues and how
they're doing their best to help people around

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the world. Now, the angle
that they took here is essentially that India

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and Pakistan are kind of, you
know, in this this cold war of

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their own, and it's it's kind
of scary because there's a lot of bellocausts,

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you know, uh, you know, talk rhetoric going back and forth,

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and that they're not both you know, nuclear enabled weapons enabled countries and

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that they could you know, mistake
a UFO for a missile for example,

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and uh start hostilities, starts each
other each other, uh, based off

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of you know, misinformation. Uh. So that's kind of the gist.

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It seems like that they're getting at
Yeah, that's definitely the gist. And

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even if you know they're not the
ups themselves aren't posing a threat, they

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could be you know, a military
threat by being too close to the weapons

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or whatever they're doing, and it
could be misidentified for an act of war.

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So that would definitely be really bad. And it's kind of the it's

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playing off a lot of the UFOs
and nukes and things that we've been hearing

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about throughout the history of UFOs and
especially that's been highlighted in the last year

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or two basically these incursions in airspace. So it's something to be wary of.

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And if countries don't realize this,
you know, they can really get

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caught, I think. And luckily
now it sounds like the United States has

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been taking it seriously, so probably
a lot of these other countries need to

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do the same. So you were
able to get the letters that so for

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instance, that video you talked about
that Sabir Hussein put together reference these letters

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that lou and how put Up had
written. You confirmed that those letters did

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exist, and you actually got copies
and you actually posted one a few days

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ago, the one from how put
Off and just today right you posted the

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one from Louise Alizondo. Yeah,
and it's great to see just you know,

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them in their own words making the
case. And it's not just an

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excerpt that was from the YouTube videos, but it was their whole letters and

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it's basically just them elaborating on their
careers for the Chief Justice of India and

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just kind of stating the case about
why they think, you know, India

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and Pakistani to be careful m H. And it's interesting, like you said

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that how put off in one of
his statements at least when in the video,

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is that he advised at the court, you know, consider the petition

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petition of severe Yeah, they definitely
need to be considered considering it, and

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it doesn't sound like they are.
But Sabir has other people in his corner

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on this initiative as well, like
Robert Salas and other people. I named

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it in the blog. But you
know, it's a serious thing, and

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it doesn't sound like there's a lot
of people in India may be interested in

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the topic. So it's cool that
Saber is advocating for it. He wants

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other people, even in the United
States to kind of be aware of what's

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going on in the Indian community and
other communities in America. And Robert Saliz

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of course, for those that may
not be aware, he had his own

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UFO incident when he was Let's see
if I can remember all the details and

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dates and everything, And he has
a book called Faded Giant came out in

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two thousand and five about this entire
occurrence. Let's see. sALS essentially was

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he working at kind of an underground
facility that was in charge of nukes.

408
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.960
Let's see if I can remember the
area. Do you remember like some of

409
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.799
the details. I don't remember a
lot of them. I just know he

410
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:21.960
was one of the main witnesses for
the upos of nukes initiative, and he

411
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:29.079
got pretty famous, incredible, and
now he stayed interested and it's still advocating

412
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.440
for it, right, Okay.
It was March nineteen sixty seven. I've

413
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:38.319
got some details here, and he
essentially was in the underground bunker. He

414
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.799
gets a call from up top and
they're like, you know, we see

415
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.599
some UFOs up here and they're freaking
out, and you know, he said,

416
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.000
well, just keep an eye on
him. They're asking what should we

417
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.359
do? What should we do?
And they were pretty scared, and he

418
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.759
said, just you know, relax
and keep an eye. As long as

419
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:59.359
they're not doing anything, you know, overtly hostile, which they weren't.

420
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:06.880
Then all the nukes that they were
in charge of go offline. He says,

421
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.920
they went into a no go condition. See, once I get a

422
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.839
little info, then I can it
all comes back. I haven't talked about

423
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:20.000
this case in a while, And
essentially they had to. They stayed in

424
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.640
this no go position, so at
that moment they would not have been able

425
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:29.960
to launch these things until some texts
had to come and work on these things

426
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:35.599
to get them working again. So
just a really strange situation, and I

427
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:40.359
know that, Yeah, Russia has
had some similar experiences to that. Now

428
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:47.079
in Louise in Lu's letter, he
is referencing some situations and he says that

429
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:54.640
both the United States and former Soviet
Union endured well documented instances, instances in

430
00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:04.480
which technical systems erroneously reported missile alerts
and activity that could have triggered at devastating

431
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:13.119
nuclear conflict. While UAPs were not
involved in those cases, and it seems

432
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:19.920
an unlikely scenario, it is nevertheless
worth taking serious seriously in light of the

433
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:24.440
proximity of India and Pakistan. So
that's kind of an interesting comment that he

434
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:30.199
made there, that at least the
situations he was referencing did not have UFOs

435
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.760
involved. Yeah, I'm not sure, you know, it'd be great to

436
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.000
hear him elaborate on that one point. A lot of people have made these

437
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:45.639
cases for what's happened, and I
don't know, maybe lou doesn't agree with

438
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.239
it, or maybe he's talking about
different situations, but I'm not exactly sure

439
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.679
what he means exactly by that line, but it'd be a great question to

440
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.159
ask next time he's on. Yeah, and you know, he often will

441
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.440
say, I'm just not read up
on that. I'm just ratting read up

442
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.320
on that. And he doesn't want
to speak to things that he isn't intimately

443
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.760
familiar with. And that could be
the case here if it wasn't an a

444
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.800
tip case and he just wouldn't know
much about it and not want to speak

445
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:15.480
to it. Yeah, definitely.
He always says that, m M.

446
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.639
I wonder what some of these other
cases are. It's a great question,

447
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:25.159
m M. But as far as
you know, UFO is being mistaken for

448
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.559
nukes, you know, we do
have some record of that. Of course,

449
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.559
we just talked about the Robert solid
case you referenced in your article about

450
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:40.280
all of this. The book and
the documentary by Robert Hastings UFOs and Nukes,

451
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.239
which is a you know, both
are great, great pieces of work.

452
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:52.199
Robert Hastings an amazing researcher who's gotten
together just tons of credible witnesses to

453
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:58.320
events such as this. I can
think of one a cop I knew in

454
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.039
Denver. He said when he was
working in the military, and I forget

455
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:05.920
which branch at this point. But
he says he was in a room where

456
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:12.800
they were watching radars and they saw
an object on screen that they thought was

457
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.119
a missile at first, but it
kept going and kept going, and there

458
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:22.639
was a lot of fear, and
they then after it crossed several borders,

459
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.800
had figured out that, oh,
this is not a missile. And he

460
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.800
says they even had to call the
Russians and say, hey, that's not

461
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.760
us what you're saying flying across there. That's something else, so don't freak

462
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.599
out. And I guess there was
some concern, and I guess the Russians

463
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.440
were skeptical because they were like,
yeah, right, you know, you

464
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:46.119
could be tricking us. It's the
stuff has happened over and over again,

465
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:51.320
and I don't know if we're past
the point of proof or where we are.

466
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.039
Maybe we still need more data and
radar and things like that to be

467
00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:00.719
released, but the witness testimony says
it happens over and over again and throughout

468
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.400
decades now. So it's to the
point I think where a lot of people

469
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:10.679
buy into the story, especially you
know, reporters and people that aren't UFO

470
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.159
enthusiasts. This is one of the
things that they take very seriously and seem

471
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:21.159
to think is credible. And I
haven't known anyone who's seen the Robert Hastings

472
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:25.440
documentary over the book that has come
away from it thinking that it's it's not

473
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.840
credible. Now, how did you
get these letters? Did you just contact

474
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.679
lou and Howl and say, hey, could you share those with me?

475
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:38.280
I don't know if I should see
exactly, but you know, I always

476
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.960
beg in and I try to contact
everyone that can and and I was able

477
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.599
to confirm them at first and then
and then finally publish them. Mm hm

478
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:50.559
cool. That's great. Now,
why don't you tell me a little bit

479
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:58.840
about because Saber actually seems like he
you know, this was an initiative where

480
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.840
he was trying to get this in
front of the Supreme Court of India,

481
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.840
Like, how has that gone so
far? It hasn't gone well for him.

482
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:12.480
In fact, he just sent me
another letter today. I didn't publish

483
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.639
it yet. I don't know if
it will, but it's basically just speaking

484
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:21.559
about his problem. And he originally
went in front of I think it was

485
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.159
the Justice and they just didn't take
him seriously. You know, it'd be

486
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:31.639
kind of like probably we would be
happening in America. But he's still sticking

487
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:36.079
at it. And I don't know
if this is gonna end up, you

488
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.960
know, bearing it at all.
But to me, it's just more of

489
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.840
like the historical record of what To
the Stars is doing, because I'm focused

490
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:46.039
on the To the Stars angle of
it. But it's just interesting to see,

491
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:51.199
you know, what they're doing and
and get these letters and and we

492
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.280
can be kind of a glimpse into
how they're thinking. Mm hmm. Now

493
00:38:54.320 --> 00:39:00.039
there was a statement that he wrote, uh that and I wasn't sure he

494
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.280
Sabir posted a letter and you wrote, you posted this in one of your

495
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.559
articles, uh, just the other
day yesterday? Actually, oh no,

496
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:15.239
this was last month, the thirteenth, And that letter is pretty positive.

497
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.559
Who was that from? Oh that
was that was Salas Sealas? I think

498
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:27.320
Robert Salas, okay talking. He
was kind of giving Sabra pep talk after

499
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:34.679
he u was getting resistance from the
Indian authorities and that he wasn't going to

500
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.159
stop and you know, they're they're
going to keep doing this. I think

501
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:43.440
Robert Salat Salas was even running for
office of some time recently, and he

502
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.039
mentioned that in there. But I
don't think he was elected either. M

503
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.400
hmm. Yeah, that's what it
said in that letter. That makes sense,

504
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:53.159
So that was from Salas. Yeah, he's a really interesting guy.

505
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:59.800
Uh. And he wasn't the only
one involved in that video that you had

506
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:05.920
met before. I know you had
mentioned that Ricardo Bermudez was part of that.

507
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:10.920
He is the guy who used to
run Chile cepha ah and then also

508
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:17.960
Peru who runs I think it's defa
out of Peru Julio Chamorrow, which is

509
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.719
an interesting guy. So that's pretty
cool. So he's gotten a lot of

510
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:29.840
support from researchers and in these cases, some government officials from around the world.

511
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:37.559
I think Stan Freeman was involved too
originally. M m Yeah. Chamorrow's

512
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:43.800
interesting. Chamorrow had an incident that
got him involved. Are you familiar with

513
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.360
that Chmorrow situation? Oh, let
me tell you about it. So you

514
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.039
made it to a couple of my
talks in Dallas. What were they?

515
00:40:52.199 --> 00:41:00.480
One was, oh, how a
rock star got disclosure? And what was

516
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:05.280
the other one? Do you remember? I think it was the international one

517
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:09.800
about the different Oh the government UFOs
Regiz Yeah, okay, cool because it

518
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.880
was in that one. So yeah, Chamorrow and It's cool because we've gotten

519
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:22.519
interviews at Open Minds with most of
these people. But Chamorrow's interests started in

520
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.840
this amazing incident called the La Joya
case, where there was a dogfight with

521
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.400
UFOs in April eleventh of nineteen eighty. So in this situation, it's like

522
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:37.480
seven fifteen am, and what Tomorrow
says is that all the personnel at this

523
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:46.920
base in Peru Arakuipa, the La
Joya Air Base, they will come out

524
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:52.320
and like do kind of a little
parade or I guess get have an address,

525
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.679
but they all come out onto outside
to do this and then they get

526
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.960
their orders and they go do their
work, probably kind of like for pep

527
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:06.599
top type of thing. Anyway,
they were all out there doing this when

528
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.679
I guess they kind of had an
image situation. They saw a UFO.

529
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.800
There was some sort of object that
they all saw at the end of one

530
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.639
of the runways. So a jet
was scrambled to chase this thing. The

531
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.639
guy flying the jet his name was
Commander Oscar Santa Maria Huertez. I think

532
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.400
he's been to maybe one UFO conference
around the United States before to talk about

533
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:36.920
this. Can't remember which, but
or maybe it was James Fox and Leslie

534
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.079
Kane that got him to the National
Press Club. That could be it.

535
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:44.679
I think that was it. But
he says that he fired sixty rounds of

536
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:49.480
thirty millimeters shells at this object,
but it had a little effect. He

537
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.159
said, these shells would blow up
a truck, just one of them,

538
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.639
but it didn't seem to affect this
object at all. He said, it

539
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.280
seemed like it absorbed them. But
he chased this saying for twenty two minutes

540
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.440
before he had to go back to
the base because he ran out of fuel,

541
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.119
and then the thing was gone.
So I guess there were like two

542
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:14.400
thousand people on the base outside that
witness this whole thing. So it was

543
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.440
a really big deal. The La
Joya case, people can look it up,

544
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.840
but kind of like the nimits are
kind of like Roosevelt the other case

545
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.840
on unidentified where or kind of like
Washington, DC in nineteen fifty two,

546
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:31.320
where we can list probably dozens of
these cases where you know, objects are

547
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:37.360
seen on radar or visual visually or
both. Jets are scrambled and then the

548
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.519
objects take off like okay, play
with you for a little while, but

549
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.719
now we're out of here. Yeah, it's just more fuel on the fire.

550
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:52.480
It's more cases from all around the
world, and it's more credibility for

551
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.280
the subject and for it in general. About the nuclear connections, not only

552
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:01.599
water but nuclear, I guess you
could even are you that some of the

553
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.480
the Rosevelt of the nimts they had
weapons on them that you know, the

554
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.000
UAP may have been investigating also.
Yeah, it's so interesting and it's very

555
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.800
uh, there's a pattern at this
point. I mean, would you agree

556
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.320
to that? Do you think?
I mean, just two cases doesn't maybe

557
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.519
establish a pattern, but you know
there's other cases like in Blue Book that

558
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:29.960
in this case, there seems to
be a pattern where you know, David

559
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:35.159
Fraver, the wing commander who chased
the tick tack in their nimics case,

560
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.840
it's the same thing. They fly
out there, they're played with and these

561
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:45.119
things fly off. Yeah, and
Alexander himself said the you know, it's

562
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.800
it's all about nuclear and water.
Those are the things that continuously get action

563
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.760
and there has to be a reason
for it. I'm pretty sure that they

564
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:58.280
think they're surveiling US. I don't
know the water connection would be, but

565
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:02.920
for the clear connection, pretty obviously
them surveying US, and but just to

566
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.639
have other countries also chime in.
I mean, it's very credible. Now,

567
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:12.800
not everyone thinks it is credible.
I mentioned it in the blog that

568
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.880
you know, Valet thinks that maybe
some of the cases are other countries kind

569
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:22.719
of disguising themselves on as UFOs to
confuse the nuclear workers and nuclear security.

570
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.800
But I don't see how that could
be the case for every single one.

571
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:32.360
And the Hastings video in books just
so thorough and it's really long, like

572
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:36.960
if you watch a documentary, it's
extremely long, and you know they're not

573
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.719
mincing words, and these are really
credible, you know veterans that are coming

574
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:43.679
forward and saying this stuff, and
I just don't see how they could all

575
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.599
be discounted. And it really seems
like this would is a key as far

576
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:52.599
as lobbying or bringing this to Washington. This that must be one of their

577
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:58.559
main focuses that they're talking to the
politicians about. Mm hmm. Yeah.

578
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.079
It is exciting for a couple other
reasons too. I mean that you talked

579
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:07.599
about the nukes and the weapons,
especially the hasting documentary, and it makes

580
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.159
me think of I think there were
two guys in there that were render some

581
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:15.079
witnesses, and you can correct me
if I'm wrong, but I believe that's

582
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.639
what they were. Yet essentially they
were at a radar or they were at

583
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.559
a tower for the base, and
they said they caught this thing on radar

584
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:28.840
and even saw it and it looked
football size before it flew off. But

585
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:35.400
it's another case where their eyewitnesses seeing
these things. It just happens over and

586
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:42.199
over again throughout time, and it
hasn't been only recently it's been so I

587
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:46.039
don't know what they make. And
I have heard from other scientists and they

588
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:51.519
don't know if it's a breakaway a
kind of secret technology that's doing all of

589
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.960
this. But I mean, it's
going back to the sixties and maybe prior.

590
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:02.079
It just seems really odd, and
even some of the early crashes from

591
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:07.679
the forties may have been, you
know, around some sort of weapons areas.

592
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:09.599
So we just don't know, and
it seems like if there was tech,

593
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:14.920
it wouldn't have gone back again.
Not everyone agrees, of course,

594
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.960
and there's a lot of debating,
but it seems pretty credible to me.

595
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.800
Well, we're going to take a
quick break and then we're going to be

596
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.079
right back with the second half of
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597
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:30.039
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598
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:37.360
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600
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:51.199
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601
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602
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.880
UFO Rate. I am here with
my guest, Danny silver Ofsilver Record dot

603
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:07.960
com. And I do like to
make sure people understand, especially if they're

604
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:13.199
new, and we've got so many
new people coming into this field and interested

605
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:17.440
in some of the more credible cases
when it comes to UFOs well, interested

606
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:24.159
in all topics UFOs and the Renderlsham
Forest incident. So people know this took

607
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:30.039
place in the UK. These were
bases that were on lease to the United

608
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:36.320
States Air Force and there were two
bases. Let's see, one was Woodbridge

609
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.719
and the other was you have to
come up with the other one, Danny,

610
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:45.639
I don't remember me either. I
can't believe I can'try bet Waters.

611
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:51.360
There you go Bent Waters and Woodbridge, and in between them or near them

612
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.719
is this forest, and you know, they saw these objects in the forest.

613
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:59.000
And then on two different nights people
were people from the base world able

614
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.920
to go out and see heights in
the forest or some really odd things,

615
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:08.960
including the base commander or the assistant
based commander, Charles Holt, who later

616
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:14.960
did become the base commander. He
also witnessed these strange lights and everything.

617
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:17.480
And what people didn't know at the
time, or many didn't know, is

618
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:25.719
that secretly there were nuclear weapons on
the base. They weren't technically I guess

619
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.360
supposed to be, and not everyone
has admitted to that, but some have,

620
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:36.440
so there were. Again, this
ended up becoming a case with nukes.

621
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.440
Interestingly enough, too, we were
talking about how Bermudez was on this

622
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.159
video by Severe that you talked about, and cepha AH, which is a

623
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:53.199
Chilean UFO investigation organization that's part of
their military, is a very very active

624
00:50:53.719 --> 00:51:00.480
international UFO investigation organization. And I
think what's unique about them, not only

625
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.760
have they had these incidents where they're
chasing these things or I have seen them,

626
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.960
but they actually had a government meeting
to discuss whether or not they were

627
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:12.840
posed a threat or not, and
they determined they don't pose a threat,

628
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.280
that they just must be heard,
you know, essentially trying to check us

629
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:22.920
out. And Bermuda says that everybody
showed up. Actually, Leslie Kan wrote

630
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:28.639
a Huffington Post story on this also, But everybody showed up to the meeting

631
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.559
with the assumption because they had already
determined that the UFO phenomena is real.

632
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.199
So they're way ahead of the game
compared to the US, who is kind

633
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:43.199
of just kind of finally admitting that
right now, What do you think about

634
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:49.840
whether they're hostile or not. I
try to not take a side on it.

635
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:54.639
I see why they're hostile from the
military perspective, because they're in our

636
00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:01.360
airspace and they're doing things like that. I also experiencers that think everything is

637
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:07.039
good and that they're angels, and
then I know experiencers that have had their

638
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:12.480
lives ruined and and wouldn't agree with
that at all. I make a point

639
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.800
to not take a stance on that
at all because it's such an issue.

640
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:22.559
It's really divisive, and I just
try to report both sides equally, and

641
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.320
so I just kind of stay out
of that. But to me, I

642
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.960
guess personally, I would think it
was a mixture of the two. And

643
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:31.159
yeah, I think it's a mixture
of the two at the end of the

644
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:36.079
day, that's what I would say. But I generally try to stay out

645
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:40.960
of it and and just report on
both sides because it's really really divisive and

646
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.280
that people get really emotional about it. And but I think when to the

647
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:52.400
Stars gets critiqued about saying how it's
a threat, I think sometimes it's taken

648
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:57.000
out of context, and some of
the time they're just you know, they're

649
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.280
talking from a military standpoint or an
a tip stand point, and not necessarily

650
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:05.239
from a normal human standpoint. You
also know that there is a lot of

651
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:10.559
injuries and that happened to people,
and whether it's intentional or not, these

652
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:14.719
people do end up getting injured and
some of them even die, which is

653
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:20.920
horrible situations. But you know,
some people say the orbs and whatnot are

654
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:23.800
getting too close and it's an accident
that people get injured, But I don't

655
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.880
know what to believe, and I'm
just I'm going to continue to report both

656
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.599
sides of it. Mm hmmm.
I think that's wise and That's exactly what

657
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:35.480
I try to do, is just
kind of report both sides and who knows.

658
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:40.639
I think that it's it's I could
see why the Chilean government came up

659
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:47.800
with what they determined, but I
can also see why a tip you know,

660
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:52.199
takes the stance they do. I
think Lou explains it very well when

661
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:59.199
he says and Ben Hansen, who
spoke at the UFO Congress, brought this

662
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.840
up, and that because he loves
this analogy too, and it makes sense

663
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.719
where Lou says, Look, if
you woke up in the morning and you

664
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:15.719
saw footsteps in your kitchen, uh, you know, and so obviously there's

665
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:21.920
evidence that someone was in your house
while you were sleeping, while you and

666
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:28.519
your your family were asleep. Of
course that might not have been a malicious

667
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.760
person you don't know, but especially
you know, as a dad or as

668
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:37.119
a parent, and it's your you
feel it's your job to the security keep

669
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:42.320
your family safe, you would consider
that a threat. You would be highly,

670
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:47.360
highly concerned. And I think that's
a great example of why it's important

671
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:57.639
for us to be concerned about the
potential threat until we absolutely know. Yeah,

672
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.559
and there's on the record. Instance
is of people being injured. Like

673
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.880
I said, like Tallari's Island and
things like that, and I know some

674
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.599
important scientists. I think you know
that that's a real credible event. I

675
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:13.119
mean, Jacques Belet wrote all about
it, and he's, you know,

676
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.639
the legend that really seems to know
what's what usually And but one of the

677
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:22.039
scientists always used this quote that he
gave me said it showed Tallara's Island shows

678
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.519
that quote unquote. Theyre not all
of our space brothers. So that's just

679
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:28.679
his opinion. But uh, I
think it holds a lot of weight.

680
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:36.840
And what happened in that case,
there was a lot of orbs scene over

681
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.840
days or weeks and other craft we're
seeing, and people were injured, and

682
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:47.119
the Brazilian military came in, press
came in. There was a lot of

683
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:53.199
photos and data records of injuries.
Some of it was released, some of

684
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.480
it was written about it by Jacques
Jacques bel At, but a lot of

685
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:04.639
it also became secret and we've never
seen it before. And then it kind

686
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:12.519
of goes off after that. Later
on Bass also investigated it years later,

687
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:17.000
and that was a whole other kind
of ballo acts. But I just would

688
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.559
like to see some of this stuff
out into the public. A lot of

689
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:28.679
people think that Bigelow bought everything up
and he is keeping it to himself.

690
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:34.599
However, if you read the val
Et book, he's talking about another rich

691
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.239
person buying it up because when he
wrote that book, Bigelow wasn't in action

692
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:43.840
as far as I know, So
it sounds like various people have some of

693
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:49.599
this data and evidence and and video
locked away somewhere. And the course,

694
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.920
we know if Bigelow had it during
Bass, then that would have been you

695
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:59.519
know, a government behind government clearances
and things like that. But I'm assuming

696
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:01.719
someone has all this stuff, and
I just hope one day it comes out

697
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:06.280
because it seems very important. People
keep bringing it up, like put Off

698
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.480
in Ballet and others, so it's
almost like they you don't want us to

699
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:15.000
forget about it and keep thinking about
it. I've been working on a blog

700
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:19.320
about this for a long time,
and I've never felt comfortable putting it out,

701
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.079
basically because I don't feel like I
have the full picture and I don't

702
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:28.480
have enough answers to make myself feel
comfortable in order to do it. So

703
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.000
I don't know if I ever will, but I'm going to keep kind of

704
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:36.400
digging into it, and it's really
really interesting, that's for sure. Nineteen

705
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:40.719
seventy seven was when that case took
place, a kilarious incident, and like

706
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:45.199
you said, yeah, those were
claims where people seem to get hurt,

707
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:50.239
and it would be interesting to ask
the cepha ah as well if they looked

708
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:52.679
into that case. But like you
made a great point earlier, you know

709
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:58.480
that there's many who fight that No, it's you know, they're spinning things

710
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:01.880
and they're trying to you know,
this is a government conspiracy to be afraid

711
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:07.159
of the aliens and think of them
as badly. And what's interesting about that

712
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:14.360
too is that these are often people
who believe in the abduction phenomena, and

713
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:19.239
which has always been kind of weird
to me that you know, these people

714
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:23.360
who believe that people are being taken
out of their beds and given, you

715
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:30.119
know, medical examinations without against their
will. You know a lot of people

716
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:36.280
feel that that's okay, that you
know, whatever they're doing is for the

717
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.320
benefit of us, and that you
know, all these people are are good

718
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:45.960
people. Whoever's doing this abduction thing. There's a lot of weird dichotomies and

719
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:50.719
the more I get into this and
the more I'm able to talk to people

720
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.679
that I feel are important or important
scientists, kind the scenes, or whoever

721
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:58.559
you want to call it, I
realize that not everyone agrees, and some

722
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:04.760
people don't agree on as some people
don't agree on cattle mutilations. I think

723
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.079
it would be important to kind of
get the core story which a lot of

724
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:14.280
people talk about, and no wonder
when to the Stars or lou where anyone

725
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:19.119
else brings this stuff to the government
or to DC that they're only talking about

726
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.639
the bare minimum because there's a lot
of grey area on the rest of this

727
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.239
stuff, and without heart facts,
we just can't bring it to the public.

728
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.639
Yet. Look at how much people
argue about it in the UFO community,

729
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.079
so we just really need hard facts
in order to bring it to others.

730
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:35.159
I think that's a great point.
And at least inside to the Stars,

731
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:39.360
we know one case for example,
people disagree on is the Bob is

732
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:45.079
our case in case it made Area
fifty one famous. Eric Davis one of

733
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.920
the scientists who works with how put
Off, who's worked with Big Low and

734
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:57.480
a hip and has been there the
entire time. And I think we might

735
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.960
have touched upon this in my last
interview with him. He does not believe

736
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:06.000
Blazar whatsoever as a scientist. He
says that the science is way off.

737
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.599
It's wrong. He can't be right, he's lying. Whereas you know,

738
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:15.840
Tom DeLong recently in the last couple
of days tweeted about how he helped print

739
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:22.079
Bob Blazar's autobiography and that he admitted, you know, we don't have enough

740
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:28.639
facts to verify anything here, but
it's interesting nonetheless, and at least it

741
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:32.480
jives with some of what Tom believes. It sounds like so, and of

742
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:37.559
course George Knapp is the guy who
brought Bob Blazar out, and George Napp

743
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:44.480
is very close with Big Low and
a Tip and everyone. So it's to

744
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.599
your point, not everybody agrees.
I'm sure there's many things you and I

745
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:51.599
disagree about. We could probably come
up with those, but this isn't about

746
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.800
what we disagree about, is about
you know, information. But still,

747
01:00:55.039 --> 01:01:00.199
you know, you can't get two
researchers in a room and they're gonna gree

748
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:05.199
on everything, and uh, you
know that's okay, But like you said,

749
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:07.800
that makes it more important to stick
to the facts and to bring out

750
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:13.360
the facts, which can be hard
to come by. At times there seems

751
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:15.880
to be a problem, and I'd
love to hear your kind of opinion on

752
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:21.960
this the discipline. So you know
you've worked with you've talked with Eric Davis

753
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.920
before. I believe you've talked with
help. I've talked, Oh you haven't,

754
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:30.480
Okay, I have communicated with put
offs mm hmm. But after all

755
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:36.320
of these years I mean of hard
work, there's still not a whole lot

756
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:42.119
of data and information. I think
it's largely a resource issue in many ways.

757
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.320
But even if you look at these
letters, one thing that I gather

758
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:52.679
from them from Louis lou and from
how is there's not like a lot of

759
01:01:52.760 --> 01:02:00.880
hard data. They're referencing that there
have been incidents. You know, neither

760
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:06.199
of them were really even completely specific
about UFO incidents other than to say watch

761
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:10.079
unidentified because we're going to have some
great cases on there, which they did.

762
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:15.280
There was some great information in there, but kind of like we talked

763
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:22.519
about it earlier, they didn't really
specifically reference the nukes or the nuclear situation,

764
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:28.880
and neither did the Navy. The
Navy specifically said they've had these incursions

765
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:37.360
during training exercises. To me,
that demonstrates a lack of information all around.

766
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:44.920
Yeah, I always you know,
sometimes it's me looking into the government

767
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.760
from and being on the outside,
but we kind of assume that there's all

768
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:53.480
this data and proof within the government. I basically do feel still feel like

769
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:59.119
that, but at least there's the
publicly other stuff. But maybe not with

770
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.199
the nuclear facilities. Maybe it's a
lot of witness testimony, but I don't

771
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.960
know. I mean, maybe if
you add up some of the radar and

772
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.400
I don't know if they took readings
or anything else around there. But it

773
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:12.800
feels like and maybe this is pre
ignorance, like I said, but it

774
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.800
feels like there's these smoking guns around
and we're either ignoring them or people are

775
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.880
sitting on them. But at the
same time, we got to put it

776
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.239
together and present it to the public. But that's why then limits is so

777
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:29.039
amazing, really and uh that's why
I still consider it the best the best

778
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.800
case ever now, best documented case
ever. Right, it's a great case.

779
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:38.719
Now, when you were talking earlier
about you know, potential uh smoking

780
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:45.760
guns out there, do you feel
that maybe to the stars has information that

781
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:51.760
they're not sharing and or do you
think that there's information they're not privy to.

782
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:57.000
I think even if they do know
about it, they're probably under NDAs

783
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:02.079
and or just other places and they
can't access it. So I think they're

784
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.800
releasing everything they can. I think
a lot of this falls on these world

785
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:12.599
governments and or other people like whoever
bought up the Cholaris data and video.

786
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.840
So I don't see that to the
stars doing that. In fact, someone

787
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:19.800
asked me recently, why aren't there
more videos coming out? Well, that's

788
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:23.639
because of the government. That's not
because of the Stars sitting on them and

789
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:27.199
telling people that they're not going to
release them and they need proof and they

790
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:29.840
can't just put it out there.
Even if they had them, they'd be

791
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.840
going to jail for it. So, you know, this call the government.

792
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.280
That's why lobbying is important. That's
why changing some of the laws,

793
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:43.239
that's why getting these use apps to
have to answer to people, or the

794
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:49.480
independent research and development companies all this
stuff. They need to come out from

795
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:55.320
the shadows and share with the world
what they know. Yeah, the lobbying

796
01:04:56.119 --> 01:05:00.559
just to speak to that. You
know. I've talked to Chase Kletzky a

797
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:05.519
little bit lately, and she's in
DC. I guess she's had some conversations

798
01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:10.599
out there, which is pretty exciting. And of course she shared some pictures

799
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:16.920
where she's had dinner or lunch with
Lou while he's out there doing his advocating

800
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:23.920
for all of this out there.
So she's working and alien con Steve Bassett

801
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:30.119
was there and you know he's pen
at least I don't know. I don't

802
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.960
know the details I've heard lately.
There's a lot of nuances to being an

803
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:39.800
official lobbyist, So I don't know
what kind of thresholds people need to meet

804
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.920
or who meets what threshold, But
certainly he's been there in Washington working for

805
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:49.679
many years. And he says that
he's got a new office there at the

806
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:55.639
National Press Club, so we'll see
what happens with that. But yeah,

807
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:59.440
that sort of thing is important.
Communicating and of course to the Star seems

808
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:03.880
to be really heavily in fact,
and I would love to hear what you

809
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:06.440
have to say. It's my sense
because a lot of people have asked,

810
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:09.559
what are they up to? What
are they doing? Why aren't they doing

811
01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:12.480
this? Why aren't they doing that? That? Really, you know,

812
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:15.519
there are a bunch of it.
They have a large group of advisors,

813
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:20.039
but the guys on the ground,
you know, are not many people mostly

814
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:27.480
lou Tom is off doing concerts right
now, he has been for the last

815
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:31.679
few weeks. He's traveling with angels
and airwaves, so he's not with them

816
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:35.559
on the ground. Loud seems to
be you know, we know this through

817
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:40.840
the pictures with Chasen and others in
Washington quite a bit. So they seem

818
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:45.000
to have their hands full with that, let alone the second season of Unidentified

819
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:48.880
coming up. So I mean,
these are really busy people, so it

820
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:55.039
seems like their priority is along the
lines of what you discovered here, reaching

821
01:06:55.079 --> 01:07:01.280
out to our government and other governments
as well. Yeah, and you know,

822
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:05.159
even if they're making connections where they
don't have to do everything, but

823
01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:09.280
they're introducing the right people to talk. I think in DC that's also what

824
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.360
they're doing. It doesn't always have
to just benefit them. It has to

825
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.280
benefit the subject or the topic at
large. And I think that's important to

826
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:21.920
show where their heart is on this. And a lot of people are probably

827
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:26.039
in DC and they wouldn't be considered
lobbyists, or even if they are,

828
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:30.199
we may not know their names.
And I think they're probably still making moves

829
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:33.800
out there and then making phone calls. Chris Herndon would be one of them.

830
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:38.320
I'm not so sure he's considered a
lobbyist quote unquote, but we know

831
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.360
he has Washington connections, and you
know, you know he's working on the

832
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:45.800
subject, right, Yeah, And
so there's people out there, you know,

833
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.199
making things happen. And another thing
to your point that you know,

834
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:54.280
when people ask why haven't we seen
more videos? I also get this sense

835
01:07:55.039 --> 01:08:00.880
that lou did not expect to well, I don't think he expected, which

836
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:10.960
is kind of sad to be confronted, which with as much negativity from the

837
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.079
government side or from the UFO researcher
side as he has, I think that's

838
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:20.119
been a you know, something that
is kind of a bummer to him that

839
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:26.359
he has gotten he's gotten. Of
course, there's all kinds of fighting on

840
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:30.239
the UFO community. I know,
you and I talking here. For whatever

841
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:32.760
reason, it's going to generate I'm
sure a lot of controversy and a lot

842
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:35.239
of people saying, oh, I
can't believe they said what they said.

843
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:42.119
But there's so much of that going
on. And then with the government it

844
01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:45.039
seems like, you know, he
was very enthusiastic that I'm going to get

845
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.279
in there. I know there's these
other videos out there. They're not mine

846
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:51.279
to release, but I'm going to
get the help get them out there.

847
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:55.920
And it seems like, and he
has expressed this a little bit to me,

848
01:08:56.640 --> 01:08:59.159
that you know, there's a lot
more footdragging, there's a lot more

849
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:04.199
people who are more hesitant to share
than they said they were earlier, or

850
01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:09.239
at least he thought they would be
earlier. Do you kind of get that

851
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:14.560
sense? I do, probably,
And I think it's also unfortunate that To

852
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:17.880
the Stars is basically the only public
company working towards these goals. There should

853
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:23.239
be other groups doing this kind of
thing, and that's why so many To

854
01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:27.439
the Stars get so many shots thrown
at them, because they're the only people

855
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.439
in public. They're on that pedestal, and they are only only people doing

856
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:32.399
it. We know, there's all
this knowledge, and there's all these people

857
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:36.880
behind the scenes working, and I
would just really hope that in the future

858
01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:42.560
they come out and I want them
to see rivals to the Stars. Everything

859
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.079
shouldn't fall on their shoulders and they
shouldn't have to do everything in pull all

860
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.439
the way. There should be other
people doing this, and I just really

861
01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:53.800
hope that that happens. And there
are other groups that we know about.

862
01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:58.960
You know, Valet and Nolan,
doctor Nolan are doing the meta material analysis

863
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:03.560
and I'm really excited about that.
And we got Jeremy Corbel and George Nap

864
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:08.680
doing a lot, and there's the
new owner of Skinlocker that seems to be

865
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:12.920
doing great. There's Big Low,
although he's been pretty quiet lately other than

866
01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.960
the or video, and there's a
few others, but by and large,

867
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:19.680
it's also the Stars, and I
just think that's really unfortunate and there should

868
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:24.520
be more people putting everything on the
line, like Elsando and two the Stars

869
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:28.079
do in order for foreign progress.
But for whatever reason, so many other

870
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:31.960
people are staying quiet. Yeah,
yeah, you're right. I mean they're

871
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.199
kind of on their own. I
think they feel that. I mean it's

872
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:41.079
a lot to put on their shoulders, but they're taking it on, thank

873
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:44.399
goodness, and that's one of the
reasons I think we all need to be

874
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:46.479
a little more positive. You know, none of us are perfect, and

875
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:49.279
maybe they're not doing things the way
you would like them to do it,

876
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:57.159
but they're doing something and obviously they've
made some incredible strides in that we do

877
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:01.279
have the Navy now saying that they
take UFO Siri and that you know,

878
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:10.159
these videos that were released now we
know because of Louise Elizondo are in fact

879
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:16.439
UFOs. They're unidentified that the Navy
cannot explain. I mean, we've come

880
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:25.800
so far and and the negative stuff
is is unfortunate the h and we know

881
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:29.399
that there's more videos. We know
there's probably clear videos. Dave frapers that

882
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:32.159
there's an h D version of the
tic TAC, but everything is focused on

883
01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:36.199
only what Alezando and to the Stars
can get out of the government. It's

884
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:42.000
like, we need to be putting
more pressure on our on our election if

885
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:44.840
that would work, but we need
to come up with some other way so

886
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:47.399
everything just doesn't fall in Alessando into
the Stars in order to get these videos

887
01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:51.039
out. I mean, the public
knows that there's that there's other videos and

888
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.840
we want to see them, so
why can't we you know, and we've

889
01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:59.159
got to figure something us out to
UH to get these released to the public.

890
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:01.960
Yeah, I'm really interested in what
Mark Walker is going to do.

891
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:09.119
He's part of Homeland Security, he
is in the House of Representatives, and

892
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:12.560
he's the guy who wrote the letter
to the Navy saying he wanted more information,

893
01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:17.239
and you know, we know from
Brian Berender's article that the Navy responded

894
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:20.760
and kind of blew him off,
and Walker was not happy about that.

895
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:28.119
So I'm interested to know if Walker
follows up and what he may do,

896
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:33.359
or maybe even others in Washington,
d C. I mean, it's a

897
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:38.560
really interesting time and I don't get
the feeling, and you're the perfect person

898
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:43.439
to ask about this as well.
I mean, there's still more in all

899
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:47.039
of our hoppers. I don't get
the feeling that things are slowing down,

900
01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:56.880
that we're going to continue to get
these great headlines and revelations into the future.

901
01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:01.000
I think we're getting a lot of
teases and of big things that could

902
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:04.800
be happening. Tom's talking about it, and I know a lot of stuff

903
01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:09.800
has been going on in DC,
and I think in twenty nineteen, we're

904
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:13.239
probably going to close the year out
pretty strongly, and then there's going to

905
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:16.279
be season two of Unidentified in next
year, and that's going to be a

906
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.279
whole other animal. I think they
were getting their feet wet in season one

907
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:24.920
and season two they'll be more experienced
and it's going to be even more impactful

908
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:29.880
as far as the public's perspective.
Well, see, I hope so you

909
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.439
know, I hope they haven't run
out of content and we'll see them try

910
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:38.399
to tackle historic stuff. But yeah, there should be something. You brought

911
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:41.960
up the medic materials. But one
more thing before we're done, And we're

912
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.640
almost done, but you brought up
Bigelow. And you know, we haven't

913
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:50.520
heard anything really about the paranormal from
Bigelow for quite some time. But he

914
01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:59.079
posted a video with no really supplemental
information which seems to show some kind of

915
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:04.119
orb in it, a light orb. What's up with that? What do

916
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:09.000
you know about that? What's going
on with that? You think? Well,

917
01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:14.119
George Knapp said he felt like Bigelow
was basically getting his foot fewet again

918
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:17.520
and maybe he was getting the little
bored. A lot of people thought that

919
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:19.760
it was a joke, that Bigelow
did it as a joke. And I

920
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:25.159
can go on record just telling you
it wasn't a joke. People think that.

921
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:28.760
People back like they just looked at
it for ten seconds and they already

922
01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.239
automatically knew what it was. But
it happened in like twenty eleven, and

923
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:36.640
these scientists and Bass and Big Low
employees have been looking at it for nine

924
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:43.439
years. And if you know that
a lot of these the setup was like

925
01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:46.560
where it was, and what we
see in the video, it was a

926
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:50.960
highly uh I don't know if classify
would be the right word. It was

927
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:57.039
a highly secure structure. And I
think anyone who even knows what that structure

928
01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:02.279
is is under NDA's ar or what
was going on there. And there you

929
01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:05.039
see this orbit fly hand. A
lot of people say it's dust or an

930
01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:09.239
insect, but from my sources,
what they're telling me is it would be

931
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:13.439
highly unlikely any of that could have
heard, and there probably wasn't even airflow

932
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.359
in there. And I think we
only know a little bit about this story,

933
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:23.880
and I just hope more comes out. George Knapps thinks that Big LA

934
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:26.600
we'll probably speak on it, and
I hope they do. But again,

935
01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:29.600
you know, of course everyone was
arguing about it, and it was a

936
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:33.359
big controversy. But of course I
don't know for sure. I wasn't there

937
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:36.159
what happened, and maybe it is
a bug. But I just know that

938
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:42.319
these guys are really serious people and
bug theory or the dust theory, and

939
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:46.119
they didn't think it was true or
us they wouldn't put it out so interesting.

940
01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:50.479
And it seems like George Knapp is
aware of what it is, because

941
01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:54.680
he does say, you know in
that tweet that you were mentioning, didn't

942
01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:58.479
think I would ever see that video
on Twitter. What does it look like

943
01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:01.399
to me? It looks like Bob
Bigelow dipping his toes back into the water.

944
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:06.359
Yeah, kind of indicating is Bob
Bigelow getting back into all of this.

945
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:12.720
Some people suspect that big a Low
is behind to the Stars, that

946
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:18.560
he's helping fund it and is involved
with some of that research. I have

947
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:24.039
not seen evidence of that, and
I'm skeptical of that. But what do

948
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:29.479
you think. I'm also skeptical.
I don't think he's like some Illuminati type

949
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.359
guy that's pointing the strings on everything. I think he had to kind of

950
01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:35.720
slow down and he started working on
the masts of stuff. And I'm sure

951
01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:39.960
he still has some irons in the
fire as far as paranormal things, but

952
01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.399
generally I think he had to kind
of step back, and he his interests

953
01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:48.319
were starting to go other places in
the Space Company and kind of to the

954
01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:54.359
Stars kind of took over. I
would like to hear more from some of

955
01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:58.119
the To the Stars advisors and other
people at com Keller her We don't get

956
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:00.960
to hear from him in a To
the Star's capacity, even though he's listed

957
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:04.600
on the website. And there's some
of those other scientists and people that we've

958
01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:09.439
just never heard of. Yeah,
so there is kind of some of the

959
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:13.239
same people in both situations. But
then there's also people that didn't have anything

960
01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.000
to do with big Better now members
than to the Stars. So I don't

961
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:20.119
think it's a big low operation.
Really interesting, I agree with you.

962
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:25.680
I don't think so. And I
think that this latest video and I think

963
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:29.800
what NAP's hitting at is maybe he
wants to get involved again, which I

964
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:32.720
think would be great. I think
that, you know, for whatever reason,

965
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:39.239
the UFO community, the thing that
the UFO community has never had is

966
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:44.399
resources. It takes a lot of
money to do the scientific analysis and the

967
01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:49.880
type of analysis that is very convincing
to the mainstream. But every time we

968
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:57.079
get a major player with some money
involved with all of this, the large

969
01:17:57.079 --> 01:18:00.920
amount of the UFO community balks and
they get they're they're very cruel and they

970
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:05.800
try to tear down, you know, these big sponsors, and certainly that

971
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:10.119
happened with Big Low, it's happening
now with Tom DeLong, and it's very

972
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:15.000
unfortunate and so sweet weird. I
don't understand it personally at all, but

973
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:19.279
it's my point of view, and
I had a you know, kind of

974
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:21.920
a front row seat with a lot
of this big below some of this Big

975
01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:26.720
Low stuff that it was very positive. It is great, is what we

976
01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:33.439
needed, and I personally would very
much welcome Bob Bigelow coming back. I

977
01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:36.640
would love it. NIDS was,
you know, historic, and I'm just

978
01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:40.960
glad that a lot of those people
that were associated NIDS are still working in

979
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:45.199
other capacities. But we definitely needed
and it was probably one of the most

980
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:49.479
serious initiatives ever. And now luckily
we have to the Stars. But you

981
01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:53.960
know, without NIDS and without to
the Stars and some of this other stuff,

982
01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:57.079
it would have been a pretty slow
couple of decades. I think,

983
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.600
as far as hard research happening,
it would have just been people here and

984
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.439
there on their own. And we
should be thankful for these big, big

985
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:09.159
stories. People always be yelled at
the government and asked them to tell us

986
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:11.159
what's going on, and they told
us a little bit. They told us

987
01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:14.159
about a tip and now they don't
trust them and they're throwing it back at

988
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:15.640
them. So we can't have it
both ways like that, and we need

989
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:18.520
to be grateful and we do get
information, we can still be distrusted,

990
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:24.760
but we need to still be grateful
when things happen. I totally agree.

991
01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.399
Well, thank you so much for
being on the show again. Of course,

992
01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:31.119
people can go to Silver record dot
com to see more, and you

993
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.199
know you'll see more about all these
topics we're talking about. Of course,

994
01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:38.720
this is the only place you can
go for these exclusive letters that Danny was

995
01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:45.439
able to post, but also the
Mark Walker, the Walker letter we were

996
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:48.920
talking about earlier. He's got articles
on that. You've got an article on

997
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:56.760
that Big Glow or video, so
people can see that. You've got stuff

998
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:00.399
here on Tom DeLong. You've even
got an interview, your own interview Chase

999
01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:04.119
Kletzky, who we mentioned earlier.
So you've got a ton of great stuff

1000
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:09.479
on the website. I guess my
last question for you will be if you

1001
01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.720
can give us any clues on what
you're working on, what's coming up.

1002
01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:15.239
I don't know now, I'm kind
of at that point. I just put

1003
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:19.239
out the I just put out the
Alezondo letter today. I would have told

1004
01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:21.680
you that if you had asked under
the day. But I don't know what's

1005
01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:25.039
next. Actually, I don't always
know where my next story is coming from,

1006
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:29.279
so I'm gonna have to wait and
see. So it's it says,

1007
01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:34.399
I just all right, well,
great work on getting these letters, and

1008
01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:40.680
I was super excited to see the
Alizondo late letter out there, and it's

1009
01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:44.159
interesting. Do you have a sense
on whether they're sending these letters to other

1010
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.520
countries. I don't know. I
mean, I would assume that they're in

1011
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:51.800
contact with other countries, and I
think this was a specific situation with severe,

1012
01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:56.760
but we know they've been in contact
with other countries and they're they're probably

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01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.319
advocating similar things. I'm sure that
they're telling other countries to get involved and

1014
01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:04.640
you know, get be more open
and if they have programs, talk about

1015
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:10.640
them or start programs. But the
specific situation I think was unique. But

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we know that they are interacting with
other countries. Great. All right,

1017
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:17.960
Well, thank you very much,
Thanks all Andro, I appreciate it.

1018
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:21.479
You other man. Thank you so
much to Danny Silva for joining us for

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01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:27.239
the show. You can check out
his website at Silverrecord dot com. We're

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really lucky to have people like Danny
who are following the latest and the greatest

1021
01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:36.039
and then also doing his own digging
to make his own discoveries about some of

1022
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:41.640
the exciting stuff that's going on right
now. I mean, we're in unprecedented

1023
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:48.319
times where we have former government insiders
working with government insiders, and people in

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01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:55.920
Washington, d C. Including lawmakers
and military leadership, all concerned about UFOs.

1025
01:21:56.239 --> 01:21:59.680
I mean, what the heck,
this is crazy. We've never been

1026
01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:03.159
here, so it's really exciting stuff. Otherwise, as you can hear,

1027
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:08.840
you know, this isn't my regular
mic and everything because I have moved,

1028
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:13.960
so I'm even in a different state, and so I don't have everything up

1029
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.199
yet. But many of you wanted
a show, and I, trust me,

1030
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:19.680
wanted to get you a show,
so I got this podcast together.

1031
01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:26.319
Next week we'll have another show,
and I should have all my regular equipment

1032
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:30.479
up so it should sound as it
normally does. But fortunately I think my

1033
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:36.319
iPhone and you know, my MacBook
with just some headphones that I could plug

1034
01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:41.600
in, did the trick and sounded
pretty well. I think. Anyway,

1035
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:45.600
thank you all so much for joining
us every week and being patient with me

1036
01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:48.319
in the last couple of months,
just been kind of hectic. Also,

1037
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:55.680
it was so cool to meet so
many of you at alien Con a couple

1038
01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:58.720
of weekends ago. That was a
lot of fun. And to those of

1039
01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:01.359
you listeners who were able to come
and say hi, thank you so much

1040
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:05.960
for doing so. It's always wonderful
to see and meet some of the listeners.

1041
01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:12.079
Otherwise, you know, I guess
be sure to keep a lookout for

1042
01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:15.159
a ufocongress dot com. Go to
ufocongress dot com and look at the videos.

1043
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:19.760
You can also find that at videos
dot ufocongress dot com and this is

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01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:26.079
where are on demand videos are.
So the twenty nineteen the videos, the

1045
01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:30.239
lectures from the UFO Congress are already
getting posted. And let's see what's up

1046
01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:34.319
there. Right now, there's the
Kevin Day one and I actually interview him,

1047
01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:38.319
and then we'll have up a Calvin
Parker one soon. So Kevin Day

1048
01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:44.319
was a radar operator on the NIMTZ. He did a great job answering audience

1049
01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:47.680
questions and speaking to you know,
what happened to him and what he saw

1050
01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:53.479
in two thousand and four when they
had that UFO encounter, but also his

1051
01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:57.800
thoughts on some of the recent news
regarding the Navy, which was really interesting.

1052
01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:00.720
And then Calvin Parker Man, this
guy is a character. He's so

1053
01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:06.439
funny, and he doesn't necessarily mean
to be he kind of sometimes does because

1054
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:11.920
he just likes to keep things fun. But he also is really interesting and

1055
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.560
comes across as so credible, and
of course he had some amazing experiences in

1056
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:19.199
the seventies that we talk about.
So a lot of good stuff at the

1057
01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:25.000
UFO Congress on demand and it's only
a few bucks a month to have access

1058
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:30.600
to hundreds of former lectures from the
UFO Congress. So check out ufocongress dot

1059
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:34.119
com for that. All right,
lots of exciting news coming up, guys,

1060
01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:40.239
and so stay tuned. We'll talk
to you next week and until then,

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Audio smooth chucchos you mus