Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. We are on location here
in uh what this is, Long Island Lake. How do you say it
wrong? Un kunkaka run. I think it's wrong, conca coma, but
it's actually Lee's Oh you got it? What it was it? Ron Kunkama?
Say it again, Ron Kunkama, ron Cunkama. So maybe we'll wander
away from the wedding music, but we're here at least Spiegel's wedding. This
is uh myself. Martin Willis, of course, is here with us to
do some news, and we're joined by a special guest, Mark D'Antonio.
Hey, how's it going and what's happening? Yeah, so we're gonna do
some news here and then otherwise coming up in just a second will be our
guest. And our guest this week is Danny Silva of the Silver Record,
So we'll be talking about some of the latest news regarding like the Navy videos
and all that good stuff. But over here by the lake, let's first
talk with these couple of characters. I guess I should also apologize I haven't
done a show in a couple of months, but that's because we had the
UFO Congress which of course is a lot of work. And then I moved,
so I moved up my house, I sold my house. I had
to move out of there and then move to a different state. So it's
been really crazy, and that's why I haven't done a show in a while.
But lucky leve had Martin to listen to and you had a great show.
How did your show go the other day? You had Kevin Day,
Gary Voor, He's Robert Powell. Am I missing anybody? Nou myself,
but you know, I'm just in the background. No, it went great.
I enjoyed hearing some things I hadn't heard before, and like what well,
for instance, I'd never heard of Gary's story basically and h and his
experience and actually that he actually witnessed the the Tic tac Ufo through the I
think they call him the Big Eye. Their binoculars are in trouble. Yeah,
we just got lorraines here that the bride came out and busted us.
Oh yeah, busted, absolutely busted with the to be. Can you be
surprised. I'm sure if we told Lee we were doing this, he would
come out and want to be definitely, be right, definitely, which is
why I told him it was time to cut the cake. Oh, it's
cake cutting time. All right, Well, we'll put this on pause and
we'll go cut some cake. All right, we are back outside. We
got busted by the bride Lorraine, because it was time to eat cake and
we were out here doing UFO stuff. Let us cake. Yes, She's
like, oh, I should have known. You guys are out here recording
and you're supposed to be in here when we're out here doing UFO stuff.
By the way, we're out by this beautiful lake that only Mark can pronounce
the name of ron Kunkama and uh no UFOs. But this is a great
spotting area. If there there's to be any US by USO, absolutely,
Oh you know what, let's bring that into the news. Let's start it
off with that. If that's cool. There's some talk. Martin's like,
I wasn't ready for this. I wasn't ready for that in particular. But
I did see it about the David Fraverer interview with Joe Rogan, and he
talks about this torpedo that was up near the surface, and I believe there
was a diver next sword or near it, and a black object came up
from the depths that looked like a disc. Am I getting that right?
So far? I think you got it right. I believe that, and
it looks like his in his words, it swallowed the torpedo. Now,
was this something he witnessed deeps? I think it was an account from secondhand?
Yeah, yeah, wild, But I do remember that. I remember
that. I of course I'm I'm somewhat partial to USOS having witnessed one.
Your submarine adventures have more time. We'll talk about that eventually when you you
know, we can't what were you going to see? You're going to follow
up on that? No, I said, we can follow up on the
on Mark's Yeah. Yeah, So the USO story, So that's out there.
That's kind of interesting. And somebody wrote about it. Oh, Popular
mechanics wrote an article about it, and they were actually very positive, where
popular mechanics can be very skeptical, and I don't think I think sometimes they
go a little too far. I think they take cues from the Navy and
what the official Navy stance is, and the official Navy stance has changed.
This is key. It used to be that the Navy would just clam up,
you know. I know that from experience having working for them a lot.
But unfortunately, the Navy's put up against the wall on these things because
there's too many people talking about them, including their own people. So now
they either have to say they're all wrong, they're all lying, or yeah,
we haven't been telling you exactly everything that there is to tell. And
now that's why they've admitted that these things do have merit. And you know
they've changed their policy for instructing their naval personnel. You've talked about it yourself.
Yeah, I was recently in you know, my real job is in
antiques and art and stuff like that, and I was recently in a home
where the guy said he was a Navy aviation control or something like that.
I'm not sure exactly what his position was in California. He recently retired,
and I asked him what he thought about the Navy coming out with UFOs,
if you heard anything about it, or coming out with being able to discuss
UFOs pilots and stuff like that. He said, that's very very interesting,
he said, you know what, I was out in California. We used
to see these things on the radar, and he said they would be visible
and then they disappear and show up over somewhere else. And he said,
I just always thought it was some experimental thing because we were near some bases
that did experimental aircraft. And he said, so I just left it at
that and never thought much about it. Let's see the from a physics point
of view, if we look at some of the ways and methodologies in which
they think they meaning a lot of us who do this research and plus other
people out there, the way these things are propelled that apparent vanishing and reappearing
somewhere else is actually very consistent with the physics that would generate such a visual
effect to us watching it. So we're not too far away from actually knowing
whether that's a real thing. So are you saying that this technology would entail
being able to kind of disappear and reappear in in their location, or just
move so quickly that it would appear that they're not moving, but they are.
They actually never traverse the space in between their locations where the origin and
destination. They actually punch out of our four dimensions X y Z, move
with your time, and then punch back in at a slightly different location.
That's one of the that's one of the thoughts. That's one of the ways
they think that maybe these things are propelled again, they being researchers and folks
that have looked into string theory in other ways in which these things work.
One of the main thought processes is that flying saucers in UFOs were triangles and
circular because they're particle accelerators, and if they accelerate particles a certain way,
then it can be shown through physics. You can actually see the equations I
can show them to that actually show you how certain particles get generated that will
allow these craft to exit our four dimensions and punch in somewhere else kind of
at a moment's notice. If that technology can be shown and proven to the
satisfactories of a lot of academia, that changes everything for how we can travel
interstellar because as long as we can harness the energy to do this right,
then we should be able to do that in the future and we could punch
out, punch in anywhere we want. Think about that. What do you
mean by anywhere you want? I mean, does it have a limitation for
distance? I don't have a clue. I do know that if we were
to punch out and punch in right now for us, if we had this
technology, maybe we could punch out and punch in, punch out and show
maybe near the moon or something. I don't know. I don't know if
distance is a limitation or if it's more likely the energy is the limitation.
We have to have the right amount of energy to be able to do these
these these punches, so to speak. I think you lost me at punch,
but I'm not sure. Yeah, that U When we get into this
kind of science, it makes my head feel like it's in a centrifugure and
a you know, spinning around, but I mean a lot of spinning.
So that's why, Yeah, that could be plus miles an hour. Well,
some people argue that, you know, that's what essentially Bobblasar is describing
that their dish shape because they're kind of like a particle accelerator. How do
you feel about Lazar's explanation of physics? Don't get them going any of that
pizza left? Well, okay, frankly, I'm on the fence about Bob
Blazar myself personally, and the reason I am is not because I'm trying to
play both sides, but because of the fact that I'm I'm very concerned.
Well, some of the things he says, the lack of his background and
cod the US government wipe out everyone's background. I don't know. If I
knew that for sure, then I would say that maybe he's you know,
more believable than that. What about the science, though, the science actually
is something that well, let's be honest, he was talking about element one
fifteen before element one fifteen. That's not true though, I mean, there
wasn't now scientists have been talking about one fifteen since the seventies. That he
was talking about properties of element one fifteen that we found to be in the
periodic table. In the end, we figured that out. I would need
to see that. I definitely have not seen evidence of that. But anyway,
interesting, Yeah, I wanted to hear what you think, and you're
you're more positive about the science than I had expected, which is interesting.
But let's get into some other stories that are out there, and I think
Martin, you have some ready for us. Well, I just wanted to
talk about this because we have an astronomer with us, Mark di'antonio. So
this this has been out in the news a bit. A former NASA scientists
is convinced we already found life on Mars. I know this is in UFO
related, but it is very interesting when you consider, you know, the
key part of this means actually discovering life elsewhere besides here on planet Earth,
of off world. That's the saying. Yeah, so, Mark, I
know you we just talked earlier. Didn't get a chance to read this article,
but what do you think about the possibility of life already being discovered on
Mars? Well, as you mentioned earlier, Martin, back in the seventies,
when the Viking laboratories were baking samples, they didn't have the capability to
really truly discern whether the results indicated there might have been life at Mars,
either at presently or at that time or at one time. But we now
have landers on Mars that can do this. The Insight Lander is doing some
processes now on Mars that will dictate whether life was ever possible. We think
it is. We think it was, and the reason is because we can
see indicators in the rock strata that Mars was once a very wet place that
to us says, well, water is the basis of life on Earth.
We all started in the water. That's why we have salinity in our skin.
We took a little vestigial ocean with us as we left the ocean.
That's why we're salty. Okay, Well, that said Mars also had oceans
at one time and also large lakes. Now would that have been long enough
for life to form? Well, it seems that's possible because even though the
lakes dried up several billion years ago and the oceans disappeared long ago, it's
still possible that microbes tenacious as they are, continued to hold on. I
reference things like tarte grays, which can exist in a vacuum of space and
then go into cryptobiosis where they just shut down and go into hibernation. Fifty
years later, you give them some water and they're back to life. Right.
They're also referred to as water and for people who don't know, they're
kind of like a little caterpillar looking thing that is microscopic. That's right,
that's right. And I just imagine if any of those were like the size
of a building, that everybody run for their lives because they are fierce looking
monsters. Have you watched Star Trek Discovery, of course, yeah, they
kind of that was like a big tartar grade looking thing they had captured.
But let me ask you this, So you talk about the insight lander checking
for water out right now, from the way I understand it from talking with
different people with NASA, we really don't have yet a lander that can check
for life. Just they can check for signs of possible life or signs that
life could have existed. But really, I guess from what I understand,
they would need to outfit one of those landers with a microscope where it could
look at some of these things and send those images back to discover that.
But I think somebody's got that. Is that the essay or one of our
future landers. I think they are going to do this well. Mars twenty
twenty is also heading to Mars some point, and that's gonna have some capabilities
like that. We also have to remember that back in twenty twelve, the
most complete laboratory we ever launched landed on Mars successfully, and that was Curiosity.
It is a complete Mars science laboratory. It has more instrumentation on it
than any other lander on Mars has ever had. More than Spirit, more
than Opportunity, more than Pathfinder, more than any the others. This one
had it all and it's still tooling along in this twenty nineteen and it's been
going since twenty twelve. Pretty good considering it only had a ninety day warranty.
Yeah, frick and awesome. So another one I wanted to ask about
was a sighting in North Carolina, so essentially a video has taken off the
coast. There are these lights in the sky. Yeah, do you have
that one? I know, but I know about it, and I believe
that was determined to be flairs if I'm thinking about the same one, or
is that the one on the lake? I think you're right, there is
one recently that today is probably flares from Marines. Have you seen that video?
I have and I actually sent it to you. Actually you did,
yes, Thank you Martin uh. And I hadn't had a chance to find
out whether there were any air guard drills going on in the area that could
account for those lights. To me, they look like parachute flares. I've
seen parachute flairs. I've seen them deployed, I've seen them come down.
I know how, and I photographed them and I know what they look like.
Great to meet you too, Thank you so much. Let's see thank
you, thank you, thank you, you too, I had to say
by some wedding guests there, Yeah, should keep that in So the bottom
line for me was that although these looks similar to the flares, until I
actually can research that, I won't make a I believe if they say that
until I researched it. But if someone else did it, then more power
to believe. Someone has come up with that as military. But I'm just
looking to see if I can find that. Now. Yeah, it through
his very high tech computer that holds in his hand. They call it a
cell phone, sell something cell phone. I don't see any cells, but
anyway, of course, in Phoenix, this happens a lot with the Goldwater
Range. They launch flares all the time, and I used to be skeptical
with some of the images I saw coming from the area were flares because they
were so clear, and Goldwater Range is like you know, some of the
where these photos the objects were were like eighty miles away. But having lived
out there, I of course made it a point to take some video and
photos. And sure enough, you don't see smoke. People are like you
would see smoke. No, you don't see smoke, and they fall so
slowly I believe it is because they're so far away. It could be that
they don't emit much smoke either, and they're extremely bright, and they fall
when they're at that distance so slowly. It doesn't look like they're falling,
but they are. I can tell you that I photographed these bright orange lights
that were about eighty miles away past the gold Water Range from ountain the snow
in desert, and I zoomed in and I figured out why we don't see
smoke because when I zoomed in, I could see smoke, but it's so
low surface brightness compared to what the flare shows. Your eye stops down and
it's impossible to see it. Yeah, okay unless you actually block out the
flare. Okay. And when I zoomed in on these, I could actually
see the smoke trailing upwards, very very clearly. It's the same reason surface
brightness smoke. Right. Several people will ask why don't you see stars when
you're taking pictures of the moon or something, or you don't see it with
planets because the planet is so bright you can't see the stars which are much
dimmer, just like we have with our eyeballs. Like you're talking about I
mean you go outside, or you're not going to see things in the periphery
you that are dim if you're looking at seven bright, that's right. You
know, when you when you photograph the night sky, Okay, you can
photograph the night sky and see plenty of stars, but then turn right around
and take a photograph which shows the landscape okay, not overexposed, but looking
kind of decent, and see no stars in the sky, right, because
the stars are point lights and to get those on film is going to take
a lot more unless you've got a really bright one like say Jupiter or Venus,
which is a planet right each in the sky. And if those are
up in the sky, well then you might see a little hint of those,
but you have to take a time exposure to see it. And when
we went to the moon, and we did go to the moon, okay
to all those who think we may not, No we didn't, Martin and
you and I didn't haven't gone yet. Oh you haven't been there with me.
No, we're looking into it. No, But when you take a
photograph of the moon, is an astronaut, you have to shoot for the
lunar surface, which actually isn't very bright. It's only got like a thirteen
or eighteen percent reflectivity, believe it or not, and everything else, of
course, is a lot darker. So if you're gonna shoot to get the
moon right, you are hopelessly still unable to see the stars. But if
you did a time exposure and aim the camera up and set it for a
minute or whatever, you'd see plenty of stars galore. But then the moon
would be blown right out right white, which is actually set my phones to
people don't the HDR mode, which is something photographers do too. Is that
good point, thank you. They'll take photos at different exposures exposures and then
combine those pictures so the object is at its best composure. And that's how
you could get some pictures where you have things that are very dim in the
photo where you couldn't have otherwise. It's still a show, that's right,
And you have the latitude to play with that and go up and down to
play with the brightness setting essentially. But that's what your phone is doing in
HDR move it's taking multiple photos. That's right, that's right. You're absolutely
right. We got room for maybe one more story. You got another one
in there, Mark, since Marcus here. I wanted to ask him what
he thought about astronomers detecting twenty more moons off of Saturn and why now,
why did it takes so long? Do you know that? Well, these
are not very large moons. These are very small, and we now have
the technology to do this detection a little better than we used to. So
that's the reason. Well, don't forget, Okay, we used to think
that the Jupiter and setn had far fewer moons. Saturn had sixty eight moons.
It's just a little while ago. Right now it's up to eighty two.
Right, So that happened, of course because of the better capabilities to
discern moons and the effects these little moons have on Saturn's rings and the surrounding
environs. What do you suppose these moons are a result of, I mean,
why didn't they coagulate together and make bigger moons? Probably for I'm only
guessing here, but probably for the same reason that Saturn's rings never made it
into being a moon. Okay, proximity to Saturn. There's title forces that
are in play, and these title forces will cause anything that's trying to call
less to be torn apart. Again. Right, it's something called the Roche
limit, and it's nothing that could survive being a solid body of any substantial
size at that location in the Saturn's environment, because of course the gravity Saturn
has, it'll tear it apart from end to end. And so we're at
Lee's wedding now and we're kind of ready. You can hear the kids running
around in the background. We're just here off lake Ronkonkoma, Ronkonkoma. I
think I said it right, but you're talking about moons. Both of you
has given me an idea. Yeah, there's a window right there we can
go press against and give the audience a little show you first, and I'll
videotape that's right. Yeah, Okay, you doing that? Okay, get
your video cameras ready, here we go. Hey, this video will be
online when, ah what Monday tomorrow or the next day. You know what.
If you guys watch, you'll see Alejandro mooning a wedding crowd. Aha,
and congratulations to Lee. He's too busy in there getting married and saying
hi to all his family and friends, so we couldn't get him out here.
But congratulations Lee and Lorraine. Some of our good buddies. They're great
friend. It was a wonderful wedding, just wonderful, all right. So
after this break we will get to our guests at Danny Silva, so stay
tuned. I am happy to have back on the show. Danny Silva of
the Silva Record. Hello, Danny, what's up A It was great to
see you the other day finally in person. Yep, great to see you
too. So yeah, we got to see each other in Dallas, which
is where you're from, right, Yep. That was for worth Yep,
Dallas, Texas. So a lot of I was surprised. I was out
there for alien con uh for people who aren't aware. Last weekend another one
of the things that caused me not to have a show recently. I was
surprised at the airport when in San Diego and even in Phoenix, how many
people flew out for the Cowboys game on Sunday. Yeah, you know,
it's like it's like a religion. Not here. They do not play around,
I guess. So the traffic is crazy and people get crazy. People
get depressed if they lose around the city, and from what I understand,
they got like they got killed, they got Yeah. The usually ends up
happening. Yeah, so yeah, And there were a lot of Packer fans
too, but man, we're there. The airport was full of people in
Jerseys, mostly younger couples, but people who just flew out for that,
although I talked to some Alien Connors who said they flew out for the Alien
con end the football game two Birds of loftone. You know the Cowboy Cowboys
fans all over the country too, so yep, yep, we got them
here in Phoenix. We also have lots of Bronco fans, which is cool
because I'm a I'm a Denver, right. But one of the things that
you've been up to, of course, on the Silver Record, which is
Silverrecord dot com, you cover a lot of to the Stars news, and
you've been covering something really interesting and this has been an exclusive for you.
But it's regarding uh to the Stars reaching out to foreign countries and foreign governments
to entice them or at least tell them, you know, the that they
think that they should be essentially investigating UFOs as well. And why now,
how did you run across this story? There was a video released by a
man named Sabir Hussain and he is running the India Pakistan Initiative, and he
did a quick YouTube video and he mentioned he had quotes in the video from
Lou and from put Off and other people. And you know there's a lot
of crazy stuff on YouTube. Well, I don't usually believe it, but
after a friend of mine, Steven, brought the video to my attention,
I was able to ask around and I was able to make sure that the
comments in the video were in fact from Lou and put Off and everyone else,
and they were. So I thought that was pretty cool that I was
able to just confirm it as authentic. And then from there on I kind
of just dug in we were the nature of Lou's and doctor Help put Off's
comments. And for those who don't remember, you know put Help put Off
is a pretty much the lead scientist working with to the Stars. He owns
the company that they're also partnered with on the Adam project to research the materials
they found. And I'm putting you on the spot a little bit here,
but you probably remember, do you remember the company I can't remember right now
that put Off reg Erthtech exactly, Yeah, with Eric Davis as part of
that. And I believe put Off Son helps him run it, yeah,
Colin, mm hmm, but yeah, the it was basically what the YouTube
video had was just excerpts from their letters. Lou and doctor put Off each
wrote a letter to the Chief Justice of India that's in India's Supreme Court.
I think I'm getting that correctly and just basically stating their case and saying that
they agreed with Sabir's initiative and that the two countries need to be careful.
They don't want a misidentification of UAP around their nuclear facilities or something like that,
and that would cause, you know, some sort of a military event
because tensions are so high already in that area. And do you know who
is this Sabir. He's a UFO researcher. I think he's written a book.
I've been in contact with him a little bit. He seems like a
nice guy. Since the story, I was able to contact him, and
he's still at this. He's having some trouble the It doesn't sound like the
judges and people are he's meeting with are taking him too seriously. But he's
staying at it. And even if it doesn't succeed, I think it's just
interesting to see how to the stars is operating, and how they care about
some of these other issues and how they're doing their best to help people around
the world. Now, the angle that they took here is essentially that India
and Pakistan are kind of, you know, in this this cold war of
their own, and it's it's kind of scary because there's a lot of bellocausts,
you know, uh, you know, talk rhetoric going back and forth,
and that they're not both you know, nuclear enabled weapons enabled countries and
that they could you know, mistake a UFO for a missile for example,
and uh start hostilities, starts each other each other, uh, based off
of you know, misinformation. Uh. So that's kind of the gist.
It seems like that they're getting at Yeah, that's definitely the gist. And
even if you know they're not the ups themselves aren't posing a threat, they
could be you know, a military threat by being too close to the weapons
or whatever they're doing, and it could be misidentified for an act of war.
So that would definitely be really bad. And it's kind of the it's
playing off a lot of the UFOs and nukes and things that we've been hearing
about throughout the history of UFOs and especially that's been highlighted in the last year
or two basically these incursions in airspace. So it's something to be wary of.
And if countries don't realize this, you know, they can really get
caught, I think. And luckily now it sounds like the United States has
been taking it seriously, so probably a lot of these other countries need to
do the same. So you were able to get the letters that so for
instance, that video you talked about that Sabir Hussein put together reference these letters
that lou and how put Up had written. You confirmed that those letters did
exist, and you actually got copies and you actually posted one a few days
ago, the one from how put Off and just today right you posted the
one from Louise Alizondo. Yeah, and it's great to see just you know,
them in their own words making the case. And it's not just an
excerpt that was from the YouTube videos, but it was their whole letters and
it's basically just them elaborating on their careers for the Chief Justice of India and
just kind of stating the case about why they think, you know, India
and Pakistani to be careful m H. And it's interesting, like you said
that how put off in one of his statements at least when in the video,
is that he advised at the court, you know, consider the petition
petition of severe Yeah, they definitely need to be considered considering it, and
it doesn't sound like they are. But Sabir has other people in his corner
on this initiative as well, like Robert Salas and other people. I named
it in the blog. But you know, it's a serious thing, and
it doesn't sound like there's a lot of people in India may be interested in
the topic. So it's cool that Saber is advocating for it. He wants
other people, even in the United States to kind of be aware of what's
going on in the Indian community and other communities in America. And Robert Saliz
of course, for those that may not be aware, he had his own
UFO incident when he was Let's see if I can remember all the details and
dates and everything, And he has a book called Faded Giant came out in
two thousand and five about this entire occurrence. Let's see. sALS essentially was
he working at kind of an underground facility that was in charge of nukes.
Let's see if I can remember the area. Do you remember like some of
the details. I don't remember a lot of them. I just know he
was one of the main witnesses for the upos of nukes initiative, and he
got pretty famous, incredible, and now he stayed interested and it's still advocating
for it, right, Okay. It was March nineteen sixty seven. I've
got some details here, and he essentially was in the underground bunker. He
gets a call from up top and they're like, you know, we see
some UFOs up here and they're freaking out, and you know, he said,
well, just keep an eye on him. They're asking what should we
do? What should we do? And they were pretty scared, and he
said, just you know, relax and keep an eye. As long as
they're not doing anything, you know, overtly hostile, which they weren't.
Then all the nukes that they were in charge of go offline. He says,
they went into a no go condition. See, once I get a
little info, then I can it all comes back. I haven't talked about
this case in a while, And essentially they had to. They stayed in
this no go position, so at that moment they would not have been able
to launch these things until some texts had to come and work on these things
to get them working again. So just a really strange situation, and I
know that, Yeah, Russia has had some similar experiences to that. Now
in Louise in Lu's letter, he is referencing some situations and he says that
both the United States and former Soviet Union endured well documented instances, instances in
which technical systems erroneously reported missile alerts and activity that could have triggered at devastating
nuclear conflict. While UAPs were not involved in those cases, and it seems
an unlikely scenario, it is nevertheless worth taking serious seriously in light of the
proximity of India and Pakistan. So that's kind of an interesting comment that he
made there, that at least the situations he was referencing did not have UFOs
involved. Yeah, I'm not sure, you know, it'd be great to
hear him elaborate on that one point. A lot of people have made these
cases for what's happened, and I don't know, maybe lou doesn't agree with
it, or maybe he's talking about different situations, but I'm not exactly sure
what he means exactly by that line, but it'd be a great question to
ask next time he's on. Yeah, and you know, he often will
say, I'm just not read up on that. I'm just ratting read up
on that. And he doesn't want to speak to things that he isn't intimately
familiar with. And that could be the case here if it wasn't an a
tip case and he just wouldn't know much about it and not want to speak
to it. Yeah, definitely. He always says that, m M.
I wonder what some of these other cases are. It's a great question,
m M. But as far as you know, UFO is being mistaken for
nukes, you know, we do have some record of that. Of course,
we just talked about the Robert solid case you referenced in your article about
all of this. The book and the documentary by Robert Hastings UFOs and Nukes,
which is a you know, both are great, great pieces of work.
Robert Hastings an amazing researcher who's gotten together just tons of credible witnesses to
events such as this. I can think of one a cop I knew in
Denver. He said when he was working in the military, and I forget
which branch at this point. But he says he was in a room where
they were watching radars and they saw an object on screen that they thought was
a missile at first, but it kept going and kept going, and there
was a lot of fear, and they then after it crossed several borders,
had figured out that, oh, this is not a missile. And he
says they even had to call the Russians and say, hey, that's not
us what you're saying flying across there. That's something else, so don't freak
out. And I guess there was some concern, and I guess the Russians
were skeptical because they were like, yeah, right, you know, you
could be tricking us. It's the stuff has happened over and over again,
and I don't know if we're past the point of proof or where we are.
Maybe we still need more data and radar and things like that to be
released, but the witness testimony says it happens over and over again and throughout
decades now. So it's to the point I think where a lot of people
buy into the story, especially you know, reporters and people that aren't UFO
enthusiasts. This is one of the things that they take very seriously and seem
to think is credible. And I haven't known anyone who's seen the Robert Hastings
documentary over the book that has come away from it thinking that it's it's not
credible. Now, how did you get these letters? Did you just contact
lou and Howl and say, hey, could you share those with me?
I don't know if I should see exactly, but you know, I always
beg in and I try to contact everyone that can and and I was able
to confirm them at first and then and then finally publish them. Mm hm
cool. That's great. Now, why don't you tell me a little bit
about because Saber actually seems like he you know, this was an initiative where
he was trying to get this in front of the Supreme Court of India,
Like, how has that gone so far? It hasn't gone well for him.
In fact, he just sent me another letter today. I didn't publish
it yet. I don't know if it will, but it's basically just speaking
about his problem. And he originally went in front of I think it was
the Justice and they just didn't take him seriously. You know, it'd be
kind of like probably we would be happening in America. But he's still sticking
at it. And I don't know if this is gonna end up, you
know, bearing it at all. But to me, it's just more of
like the historical record of what To the Stars is doing, because I'm focused
on the To the Stars angle of it. But it's just interesting to see,
you know, what they're doing and and get these letters and and we
can be kind of a glimpse into how they're thinking. Mm hmm. Now
there was a statement that he wrote, uh that and I wasn't sure he
Sabir posted a letter and you wrote, you posted this in one of your
articles, uh, just the other day yesterday? Actually, oh no,
this was last month, the thirteenth, And that letter is pretty positive.
Who was that from? Oh that was that was Salas Sealas? I think
Robert Salas, okay talking. He was kind of giving Sabra pep talk after
he u was getting resistance from the Indian authorities and that he wasn't going to
stop and you know, they're they're going to keep doing this. I think
Robert Salat Salas was even running for office of some time recently, and he
mentioned that in there. But I don't think he was elected either. M
hmm. Yeah, that's what it said in that letter. That makes sense,
So that was from Salas. Yeah, he's a really interesting guy.
Uh. And he wasn't the only one involved in that video that you had
met before. I know you had mentioned that Ricardo Bermudez was part of that.
He is the guy who used to run Chile cepha ah and then also
Peru who runs I think it's defa out of Peru Julio Chamorrow, which is
an interesting guy. So that's pretty cool. So he's gotten a lot of
support from researchers and in these cases, some government officials from around the world.
I think Stan Freeman was involved too originally. M m Yeah. Chamorrow's
interesting. Chamorrow had an incident that got him involved. Are you familiar with
that Chmorrow situation? Oh, let me tell you about it. So you
made it to a couple of my talks in Dallas. What were they?
One was, oh, how a rock star got disclosure? And what was
the other one? Do you remember? I think it was the international one
about the different Oh the government UFOs Regiz Yeah, okay, cool because it
was in that one. So yeah, Chamorrow and It's cool because we've gotten
interviews at Open Minds with most of these people. But Chamorrow's interests started in
this amazing incident called the La Joya case, where there was a dogfight with
UFOs in April eleventh of nineteen eighty. So in this situation, it's like
seven fifteen am, and what Tomorrow says is that all the personnel at this
base in Peru Arakuipa, the La Joya Air Base, they will come out
and like do kind of a little parade or I guess get have an address,
but they all come out onto outside to do this and then they get
their orders and they go do their work, probably kind of like for pep
top type of thing. Anyway, they were all out there doing this when
I guess they kind of had an image situation. They saw a UFO.
There was some sort of object that they all saw at the end of one
of the runways. So a jet was scrambled to chase this thing. The
guy flying the jet his name was Commander Oscar Santa Maria Huertez. I think
he's been to maybe one UFO conference around the United States before to talk about
this. Can't remember which, but or maybe it was James Fox and Leslie
Kane that got him to the National Press Club. That could be it.
I think that was it. But he says that he fired sixty rounds of
thirty millimeters shells at this object, but it had a little effect. He
said, these shells would blow up a truck, just one of them,
but it didn't seem to affect this object at all. He said, it
seemed like it absorbed them. But he chased this saying for twenty two minutes
before he had to go back to the base because he ran out of fuel,
and then the thing was gone. So I guess there were like two
thousand people on the base outside that witness this whole thing. So it was
a really big deal. The La Joya case, people can look it up,
but kind of like the nimits are kind of like Roosevelt the other case
on unidentified where or kind of like Washington, DC in nineteen fifty two,
where we can list probably dozens of these cases where you know, objects are
seen on radar or visual visually or both. Jets are scrambled and then the
objects take off like okay, play with you for a little while, but
now we're out of here. Yeah, it's just more fuel on the fire.
It's more cases from all around the world, and it's more credibility for
the subject and for it in general. About the nuclear connections, not only
water but nuclear, I guess you could even are you that some of the
the Rosevelt of the nimts they had weapons on them that you know, the
UAP may have been investigating also. Yeah, it's so interesting and it's very
uh, there's a pattern at this point. I mean, would you agree
to that? Do you think? I mean, just two cases doesn't maybe
establish a pattern, but you know there's other cases like in Blue Book that
in this case, there seems to be a pattern where you know, David
Fraver, the wing commander who chased the tick tack in their nimics case,
it's the same thing. They fly out there, they're played with and these
things fly off. Yeah, and Alexander himself said the you know, it's
it's all about nuclear and water. Those are the things that continuously get action
and there has to be a reason for it. I'm pretty sure that they
think they're surveiling US. I don't know the water connection would be, but
for the clear connection, pretty obviously them surveying US, and but just to
have other countries also chime in. I mean, it's very credible. Now,
not everyone thinks it is credible. I mentioned it in the blog that
you know, Valet thinks that maybe some of the cases are other countries kind
of disguising themselves on as UFOs to confuse the nuclear workers and nuclear security.
But I don't see how that could be the case for every single one.
And the Hastings video in books just so thorough and it's really long, like
if you watch a documentary, it's extremely long, and you know they're not
mincing words, and these are really credible, you know veterans that are coming
forward and saying this stuff, and I just don't see how they could all
be discounted. And it really seems like this would is a key as far
as lobbying or bringing this to Washington. This that must be one of their
main focuses that they're talking to the politicians about. Mm hmm. Yeah.
It is exciting for a couple other reasons too. I mean that you talked
about the nukes and the weapons, especially the hasting documentary, and it makes
me think of I think there were two guys in there that were render some
witnesses, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's
what they were. Yet essentially they were at a radar or they were at
a tower for the base, and they said they caught this thing on radar
and even saw it and it looked football size before it flew off. But
it's another case where their eyewitnesses seeing these things. It just happens over and
over again throughout time, and it hasn't been only recently it's been so I
don't know what they make. And I have heard from other scientists and they
don't know if it's a breakaway a kind of secret technology that's doing all of
this. But I mean, it's going back to the sixties and maybe prior.
It just seems really odd, and even some of the early crashes from
the forties may have been, you know, around some sort of weapons areas.
So we just don't know, and it seems like if there was tech,
it wouldn't have gone back again. Not everyone agrees, of course,
and there's a lot of debating, but it seems pretty credible to me.
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com. And I do like to make sure people understand, especially if they're
new, and we've got so many new people coming into this field and interested
in some of the more credible cases when it comes to UFOs well, interested
in all topics UFOs and the Renderlsham Forest incident. So people know this took
place in the UK. These were bases that were on lease to the United
States Air Force and there were two bases. Let's see, one was Woodbridge
and the other was you have to come up with the other one, Danny,
I don't remember me either. I can't believe I can'try bet Waters.
There you go Bent Waters and Woodbridge, and in between them or near them
is this forest, and you know, they saw these objects in the forest.
And then on two different nights people were people from the base world able
to go out and see heights in the forest or some really odd things,
including the base commander or the assistant based commander, Charles Holt, who later
did become the base commander. He also witnessed these strange lights and everything.
And what people didn't know at the time, or many didn't know, is
that secretly there were nuclear weapons on the base. They weren't technically I guess
supposed to be, and not everyone has admitted to that, but some have,
so there were. Again, this ended up becoming a case with nukes.
Interestingly enough, too, we were talking about how Bermudez was on this
video by Severe that you talked about, and cepha AH, which is a
Chilean UFO investigation organization that's part of their military, is a very very active
international UFO investigation organization. And I think what's unique about them, not only
have they had these incidents where they're chasing these things or I have seen them,
but they actually had a government meeting to discuss whether or not they were
posed a threat or not, and they determined they don't pose a threat,
that they just must be heard, you know, essentially trying to check us
out. And Bermuda says that everybody showed up. Actually, Leslie Kan wrote
a Huffington Post story on this also, But everybody showed up to the meeting
with the assumption because they had already determined that the UFO phenomena is real.
So they're way ahead of the game compared to the US, who is kind
of just kind of finally admitting that right now, What do you think about
whether they're hostile or not. I try to not take a side on it.
I see why they're hostile from the military perspective, because they're in our
airspace and they're doing things like that. I also experiencers that think everything is
good and that they're angels, and then I know experiencers that have had their
lives ruined and and wouldn't agree with that at all. I make a point
to not take a stance on that at all because it's such an issue.
It's really divisive, and I just try to report both sides equally, and
so I just kind of stay out of that. But to me, I
guess personally, I would think it was a mixture of the two. And
yeah, I think it's a mixture of the two at the end of the
day, that's what I would say. But I generally try to stay out
of it and and just report on both sides because it's really really divisive and
that people get really emotional about it. And but I think when to the
Stars gets critiqued about saying how it's a threat, I think sometimes it's taken
out of context, and some of the time they're just you know, they're
talking from a military standpoint or an a tip stand point, and not necessarily
from a normal human standpoint. You also know that there is a lot of
injuries and that happened to people, and whether it's intentional or not, these
people do end up getting injured and some of them even die, which is
horrible situations. But you know, some people say the orbs and whatnot are
getting too close and it's an accident that people get injured, But I don't
know what to believe, and I'm just I'm going to continue to report both
sides of it. Mm hmmm. I think that's wise and That's exactly what
I try to do, is just kind of report both sides and who knows.
I think that it's it's I could see why the Chilean government came up
with what they determined, but I can also see why a tip you know,
takes the stance they do. I think Lou explains it very well when
he says and Ben Hansen, who spoke at the UFO Congress, brought this
up, and that because he loves this analogy too, and it makes sense
where Lou says, Look, if you woke up in the morning and you
saw footsteps in your kitchen, uh, you know, and so obviously there's
evidence that someone was in your house while you were sleeping, while you and
your your family were asleep. Of course that might not have been a malicious
person you don't know, but especially you know, as a dad or as
a parent, and it's your you feel it's your job to the security keep
your family safe, you would consider that a threat. You would be highly,
highly concerned. And I think that's a great example of why it's important
for us to be concerned about the potential threat until we absolutely know. Yeah,
and there's on the record. Instance is of people being injured. Like
I said, like Tallari's Island and things like that, and I know some
important scientists. I think you know that that's a real credible event. I
mean, Jacques Belet wrote all about it, and he's, you know,
the legend that really seems to know what's what usually And but one of the
scientists always used this quote that he gave me said it showed Tallara's Island shows
that quote unquote. Theyre not all of our space brothers. So that's just
his opinion. But uh, I think it holds a lot of weight.
And what happened in that case, there was a lot of orbs scene over
days or weeks and other craft we're seeing, and people were injured, and
the Brazilian military came in, press came in. There was a lot of
photos and data records of injuries. Some of it was released, some of
it was written about it by Jacques Jacques bel At, but a lot of
it also became secret and we've never seen it before. And then it kind
of goes off after that. Later on Bass also investigated it years later,
and that was a whole other kind of ballo acts. But I just would
like to see some of this stuff out into the public. A lot of
people think that Bigelow bought everything up and he is keeping it to himself.
However, if you read the val Et book, he's talking about another rich
person buying it up because when he wrote that book, Bigelow wasn't in action
as far as I know, So it sounds like various people have some of
this data and evidence and and video locked away somewhere. And the course,
we know if Bigelow had it during Bass, then that would have been you
know, a government behind government clearances and things like that. But I'm assuming
someone has all this stuff, and I just hope one day it comes out
because it seems very important. People keep bringing it up, like put Off
in Ballet and others, so it's almost like they you don't want us to
forget about it and keep thinking about it. I've been working on a blog
about this for a long time, and I've never felt comfortable putting it out,
basically because I don't feel like I have the full picture and I don't
have enough answers to make myself feel comfortable in order to do it. So
I don't know if I ever will, but I'm going to keep kind of
digging into it, and it's really really interesting, that's for sure. Nineteen
seventy seven was when that case took place, a kilarious incident, and like
you said, yeah, those were claims where people seem to get hurt,
and it would be interesting to ask the cepha ah as well if they looked
into that case. But like you made a great point earlier, you know
that there's many who fight that No, it's you know, they're spinning things
and they're trying to you know, this is a government conspiracy to be afraid
of the aliens and think of them as badly. And what's interesting about that
too is that these are often people who believe in the abduction phenomena, and
which has always been kind of weird to me that you know, these people
who believe that people are being taken out of their beds and given, you
know, medical examinations without against their will. You know a lot of people
feel that that's okay, that you know, whatever they're doing is for the
benefit of us, and that you know, all these people are are good
people. Whoever's doing this abduction thing. There's a lot of weird dichotomies and
the more I get into this and the more I'm able to talk to people
that I feel are important or important scientists, kind the scenes, or whoever
you want to call it, I realize that not everyone agrees, and some
people don't agree on as some people don't agree on cattle mutilations. I think
it would be important to kind of get the core story which a lot of
people talk about, and no wonder when to the Stars or lou where anyone
else brings this stuff to the government or to DC that they're only talking about
the bare minimum because there's a lot of grey area on the rest of this
stuff, and without heart facts, we just can't bring it to the public.
Yet. Look at how much people argue about it in the UFO community,
so we just really need hard facts in order to bring it to others.
I think that's a great point. And at least inside to the Stars,
we know one case for example, people disagree on is the Bob is
our case in case it made Area fifty one famous. Eric Davis one of
the scientists who works with how put Off, who's worked with Big Low and
a hip and has been there the entire time. And I think we might
have touched upon this in my last interview with him. He does not believe
Blazar whatsoever as a scientist. He says that the science is way off.
It's wrong. He can't be right, he's lying. Whereas you know,
Tom DeLong recently in the last couple of days tweeted about how he helped print
Bob Blazar's autobiography and that he admitted, you know, we don't have enough
facts to verify anything here, but it's interesting nonetheless, and at least it
jives with some of what Tom believes. It sounds like so, and of
course George Knapp is the guy who brought Bob Blazar out, and George Napp
is very close with Big Low and a Tip and everyone. So it's to
your point, not everybody agrees. I'm sure there's many things you and I
disagree about. We could probably come up with those, but this isn't about
what we disagree about, is about you know, information. But still,
you know, you can't get two researchers in a room and they're gonna gree
on everything, and uh, you know that's okay, But like you said,
that makes it more important to stick to the facts and to bring out
the facts, which can be hard to come by. At times there seems
to be a problem, and I'd love to hear your kind of opinion on
this the discipline. So you know you've worked with you've talked with Eric Davis
before. I believe you've talked with help. I've talked, Oh you haven't,
Okay, I have communicated with put offs mm hmm. But after all
of these years I mean of hard work, there's still not a whole lot
of data and information. I think it's largely a resource issue in many ways.
But even if you look at these letters, one thing that I gather
from them from Louis lou and from how is there's not like a lot of
hard data. They're referencing that there have been incidents. You know, neither
of them were really even completely specific about UFO incidents other than to say watch
unidentified because we're going to have some great cases on there, which they did.
There was some great information in there, but kind of like we talked
about it earlier, they didn't really specifically reference the nukes or the nuclear situation,
and neither did the Navy. The Navy specifically said they've had these incursions
during training exercises. To me, that demonstrates a lack of information all around.
Yeah, I always you know, sometimes it's me looking into the government
from and being on the outside, but we kind of assume that there's all
this data and proof within the government. I basically do feel still feel like
that, but at least there's the publicly other stuff. But maybe not with
the nuclear facilities. Maybe it's a lot of witness testimony, but I don't
know. I mean, maybe if you add up some of the radar and
I don't know if they took readings or anything else around there. But it
feels like and maybe this is pre ignorance, like I said, but it
feels like there's these smoking guns around and we're either ignoring them or people are
sitting on them. But at the same time, we got to put it
together and present it to the public. But that's why then limits is so
amazing, really and uh that's why I still consider it the best the best
case ever now, best documented case ever. Right, it's a great case.
Now, when you were talking earlier about you know, potential uh smoking
guns out there, do you feel that maybe to the stars has information that
they're not sharing and or do you think that there's information they're not privy to.
I think even if they do know about it, they're probably under NDAs
and or just other places and they can't access it. So I think they're
releasing everything they can. I think a lot of this falls on these world
governments and or other people like whoever bought up the Cholaris data and video.
So I don't see that to the stars doing that. In fact, someone
asked me recently, why aren't there more videos coming out? Well, that's
because of the government. That's not because of the Stars sitting on them and
telling people that they're not going to release them and they need proof and they
can't just put it out there. Even if they had them, they'd be
going to jail for it. So, you know, this call the government.
That's why lobbying is important. That's why changing some of the laws,
that's why getting these use apps to have to answer to people, or the
independent research and development companies all this stuff. They need to come out from
the shadows and share with the world what they know. Yeah, the lobbying
just to speak to that. You know. I've talked to Chase Kletzky a
little bit lately, and she's in DC. I guess she's had some conversations
out there, which is pretty exciting. And of course she shared some pictures
where she's had dinner or lunch with Lou while he's out there doing his advocating
for all of this out there. So she's working and alien con Steve Bassett
was there and you know he's pen at least I don't know. I don't
know the details I've heard lately. There's a lot of nuances to being an
official lobbyist, So I don't know what kind of thresholds people need to meet
or who meets what threshold, But certainly he's been there in Washington working for
many years. And he says that he's got a new office there at the
National Press Club, so we'll see what happens with that. But yeah,
that sort of thing is important. Communicating and of course to the Star seems
to be really heavily in fact, and I would love to hear what you
have to say. It's my sense because a lot of people have asked,
what are they up to? What are they doing? Why aren't they doing
this? Why aren't they doing that? That? Really, you know,
there are a bunch of it. They have a large group of advisors,
but the guys on the ground, you know, are not many people mostly
lou Tom is off doing concerts right now, he has been for the last
few weeks. He's traveling with angels and airwaves, so he's not with them
on the ground. Loud seems to be you know, we know this through
the pictures with Chasen and others in Washington quite a bit. So they seem
to have their hands full with that, let alone the second season of Unidentified
coming up. So I mean, these are really busy people, so it
seems like their priority is along the lines of what you discovered here, reaching
out to our government and other governments as well. Yeah, and you know,
even if they're making connections where they don't have to do everything, but
they're introducing the right people to talk. I think in DC that's also what
they're doing. It doesn't always have to just benefit them. It has to
benefit the subject or the topic at large. And I think that's important to
show where their heart is on this. And a lot of people are probably
in DC and they wouldn't be considered lobbyists, or even if they are,
we may not know their names. And I think they're probably still making moves
out there and then making phone calls. Chris Herndon would be one of them.
I'm not so sure he's considered a lobbyist quote unquote, but we know
he has Washington connections, and you know, you know he's working on the
subject, right, Yeah, And so there's people out there, you know,
making things happen. And another thing to your point that you know,
when people ask why haven't we seen more videos? I also get this sense
that lou did not expect to well, I don't think he expected, which
is kind of sad to be confronted, which with as much negativity from the
government side or from the UFO researcher side as he has, I think that's
been a you know, something that is kind of a bummer to him that
he has gotten he's gotten. Of course, there's all kinds of fighting on
the UFO community. I know, you and I talking here. For whatever
reason, it's going to generate I'm sure a lot of controversy and a lot
of people saying, oh, I can't believe they said what they said.
But there's so much of that going on. And then with the government it
seems like, you know, he was very enthusiastic that I'm going to get
in there. I know there's these other videos out there. They're not mine
to release, but I'm going to get the help get them out there.
And it seems like, and he has expressed this a little bit to me,
that you know, there's a lot more footdragging, there's a lot more
people who are more hesitant to share than they said they were earlier, or
at least he thought they would be earlier. Do you kind of get that
sense? I do, probably, And I think it's also unfortunate that To
the Stars is basically the only public company working towards these goals. There should
be other groups doing this kind of thing, and that's why so many To
the Stars get so many shots thrown at them, because they're the only people
in public. They're on that pedestal, and they are only only people doing
it. We know, there's all this knowledge, and there's all these people
behind the scenes working, and I would just really hope that in the future
they come out and I want them to see rivals to the Stars. Everything
shouldn't fall on their shoulders and they shouldn't have to do everything in pull all
the way. There should be other people doing this, and I just really
hope that that happens. And there are other groups that we know about.
You know, Valet and Nolan, doctor Nolan are doing the meta material analysis
and I'm really excited about that. And we got Jeremy Corbel and George Nap
doing a lot, and there's the new owner of Skinlocker that seems to be
doing great. There's Big Low, although he's been pretty quiet lately other than
the or video, and there's a few others, but by and large,
it's also the Stars, and I just think that's really unfortunate and there should
be more people putting everything on the line, like Elsando and two the Stars
do in order for foreign progress. But for whatever reason, so many other
people are staying quiet. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean they're
kind of on their own. I think they feel that. I mean it's
a lot to put on their shoulders, but they're taking it on, thank
goodness, and that's one of the reasons I think we all need to be
a little more positive. You know, none of us are perfect, and
maybe they're not doing things the way you would like them to do it,
but they're doing something and obviously they've made some incredible strides in that we do
have the Navy now saying that they take UFO Siri and that you know,
these videos that were released now we know because of Louise Elizondo are in fact
UFOs. They're unidentified that the Navy cannot explain. I mean, we've come
so far and and the negative stuff is is unfortunate the h and we know
that there's more videos. We know there's probably clear videos. Dave frapers that
there's an h D version of the tic TAC, but everything is focused on
only what Alezando and to the Stars can get out of the government. It's
like, we need to be putting more pressure on our on our election if
that would work, but we need to come up with some other way so
everything just doesn't fall in Alessando into the Stars in order to get these videos
out. I mean, the public knows that there's that there's other videos and
we want to see them, so why can't we you know, and we've
got to figure something us out to UH to get these released to the public.
Yeah, I'm really interested in what Mark Walker is going to do.
He's part of Homeland Security, he is in the House of Representatives, and
he's the guy who wrote the letter to the Navy saying he wanted more information,
and you know, we know from Brian Berender's article that the Navy responded
and kind of blew him off, and Walker was not happy about that.
So I'm interested to know if Walker follows up and what he may do,
or maybe even others in Washington, d C. I mean, it's a
really interesting time and I don't get the feeling, and you're the perfect person
to ask about this as well. I mean, there's still more in all
of our hoppers. I don't get the feeling that things are slowing down,
that we're going to continue to get these great headlines and revelations into the future.
I think we're getting a lot of teases and of big things that could
be happening. Tom's talking about it, and I know a lot of stuff
has been going on in DC, and I think in twenty nineteen, we're
probably going to close the year out pretty strongly, and then there's going to
be season two of Unidentified in next year, and that's going to be a
whole other animal. I think they were getting their feet wet in season one
and season two they'll be more experienced and it's going to be even more impactful
as far as the public's perspective. Well, see, I hope so you
know, I hope they haven't run out of content and we'll see them try
to tackle historic stuff. But yeah, there should be something. You brought
up the medic materials. But one more thing before we're done, And we're
almost done, but you brought up Bigelow. And you know, we haven't
heard anything really about the paranormal from Bigelow for quite some time. But he
posted a video with no really supplemental information which seems to show some kind of
orb in it, a light orb. What's up with that? What do
you know about that? What's going on with that? You think? Well,
George Knapp said he felt like Bigelow was basically getting his foot fewet again
and maybe he was getting the little bored. A lot of people thought that
it was a joke, that Bigelow did it as a joke. And I
can go on record just telling you it wasn't a joke. People think that.
People back like they just looked at it for ten seconds and they already
automatically knew what it was. But it happened in like twenty eleven, and
these scientists and Bass and Big Low employees have been looking at it for nine
years. And if you know that a lot of these the setup was like
where it was, and what we see in the video, it was a
highly uh I don't know if classify would be the right word. It was
a highly secure structure. And I think anyone who even knows what that structure
is is under NDA's ar or what was going on there. And there you
see this orbit fly hand. A lot of people say it's dust or an
insect, but from my sources, what they're telling me is it would be
highly unlikely any of that could have heard, and there probably wasn't even airflow
in there. And I think we only know a little bit about this story,
and I just hope more comes out. George Knapps thinks that Big LA
we'll probably speak on it, and I hope they do. But again,
you know, of course everyone was arguing about it, and it was a
big controversy. But of course I don't know for sure. I wasn't there
what happened, and maybe it is a bug. But I just know that
these guys are really serious people and bug theory or the dust theory, and
they didn't think it was true or us they wouldn't put it out so interesting.
And it seems like George Knapp is aware of what it is, because
he does say, you know in that tweet that you were mentioning, didn't
think I would ever see that video on Twitter. What does it look like
to me? It looks like Bob Bigelow dipping his toes back into the water.
Yeah, kind of indicating is Bob Bigelow getting back into all of this.
Some people suspect that big a Low is behind to the Stars, that
he's helping fund it and is involved with some of that research. I have
not seen evidence of that, and I'm skeptical of that. But what do
you think. I'm also skeptical. I don't think he's like some Illuminati type
guy that's pointing the strings on everything. I think he had to kind of
slow down and he started working on the masts of stuff. And I'm sure
he still has some irons in the fire as far as paranormal things, but
generally I think he had to kind of step back, and he his interests
were starting to go other places in the Space Company and kind of to the
Stars kind of took over. I would like to hear more from some of
the To the Stars advisors and other people at com Keller her We don't get
to hear from him in a To the Star's capacity, even though he's listed
on the website. And there's some of those other scientists and people that we've
just never heard of. Yeah, so there is kind of some of the
same people in both situations. But then there's also people that didn't have anything
to do with big Better now members than to the Stars. So I don't
think it's a big low operation. Really interesting, I agree with you.
I don't think so. And I think that this latest video and I think
what NAP's hitting at is maybe he wants to get involved again, which I
think would be great. I think that, you know, for whatever reason,
the UFO community, the thing that the UFO community has never had is
resources. It takes a lot of money to do the scientific analysis and the
type of analysis that is very convincing to the mainstream. But every time we
get a major player with some money involved with all of this, the large
amount of the UFO community balks and they get they're they're very cruel and they
try to tear down, you know, these big sponsors, and certainly that
happened with Big Low, it's happening now with Tom DeLong, and it's very
unfortunate and so sweet weird. I don't understand it personally at all, but
it's my point of view, and I had a you know, kind of
a front row seat with a lot of this big below some of this Big
Low stuff that it was very positive. It is great, is what we
needed, and I personally would very much welcome Bob Bigelow coming back. I
would love it. NIDS was, you know, historic, and I'm just
glad that a lot of those people that were associated NIDS are still working in
other capacities. But we definitely needed and it was probably one of the most
serious initiatives ever. And now luckily we have to the Stars. But you
know, without NIDS and without to the Stars and some of this other stuff,
it would have been a pretty slow couple of decades. I think,
as far as hard research happening, it would have just been people here and
there on their own. And we should be thankful for these big, big
stories. People always be yelled at the government and asked them to tell us
what's going on, and they told us a little bit. They told us
about a tip and now they don't trust them and they're throwing it back at
them. So we can't have it both ways like that, and we need
to be grateful and we do get information, we can still be distrusted,
but we need to still be grateful when things happen. I totally agree.
Well, thank you so much for being on the show again. Of course,
people can go to Silver record dot com to see more, and you
know you'll see more about all these topics we're talking about. Of course,
this is the only place you can go for these exclusive letters that Danny was
able to post, but also the Mark Walker, the Walker letter we were
talking about earlier. He's got articles on that. You've got an article on
that Big Glow or video, so people can see that. You've got stuff
here on Tom DeLong. You've even got an interview, your own interview Chase
Kletzky, who we mentioned earlier. So you've got a ton of great stuff
on the website. I guess my last question for you will be if you
can give us any clues on what you're working on, what's coming up.
I don't know now, I'm kind of at that point. I just put
out the I just put out the Alezondo letter today. I would have told
you that if you had asked under the day. But I don't know what's
next. Actually, I don't always know where my next story is coming from,
so I'm gonna have to wait and see. So it's it says,
I just all right, well, great work on getting these letters, and
I was super excited to see the Alizondo late letter out there, and it's
interesting. Do you have a sense on whether they're sending these letters to other
countries. I don't know. I mean, I would assume that they're in
contact with other countries, and I think this was a specific situation with severe,
but we know they've been in contact with other countries and they're they're probably
advocating similar things. I'm sure that they're telling other countries to get involved and
you know, get be more open and if they have programs, talk about
them or start programs. But the specific situation I think was unique. But
we know that they are interacting with other countries. Great. All right,
Well, thank you very much, Thanks all Andro, I appreciate it.
You other man. Thank you so much to Danny Silva for joining us for
the show. You can check out his website at Silverrecord dot com. We're
really lucky to have people like Danny who are following the latest and the greatest
and then also doing his own digging to make his own discoveries about some of
the exciting stuff that's going on right now. I mean, we're in unprecedented
times where we have former government insiders working with government insiders, and people in
Washington, d C. Including lawmakers and military leadership, all concerned about UFOs.
I mean, what the heck, this is crazy. We've never been
here, so it's really exciting stuff. Otherwise, as you can hear,
you know, this isn't my regular mic and everything because I have moved,
so I'm even in a different state, and so I don't have everything up
yet. But many of you wanted a show, and I, trust me,
wanted to get you a show, so I got this podcast together.
Next week we'll have another show, and I should have all my regular equipment
up so it should sound as it normally does. But fortunately I think my
iPhone and you know, my MacBook with just some headphones that I could plug
in, did the trick and sounded pretty well. I think. Anyway,
thank you all so much for joining us every week and being patient with me
in the last couple of months, just been kind of hectic. Also,
it was so cool to meet so many of you at alien Con a couple
of weekends ago. That was a lot of fun. And to those of
you listeners who were able to come and say hi, thank you so much
for doing so. It's always wonderful to see and meet some of the listeners.
Otherwise, you know, I guess be sure to keep a lookout for
a ufocongress dot com. Go to ufocongress dot com and look at the videos.
You can also find that at videos dot ufocongress dot com and this is
where are on demand videos are. So the twenty nineteen the videos, the
lectures from the UFO Congress are already getting posted. And let's see what's up
there. Right now, there's the Kevin Day one and I actually interview him,
and then we'll have up a Calvin Parker one soon. So Kevin Day
was a radar operator on the NIMTZ. He did a great job answering audience
questions and speaking to you know, what happened to him and what he saw
in two thousand and four when they had that UFO encounter, but also his
thoughts on some of the recent news regarding the Navy, which was really interesting.
And then Calvin Parker Man, this guy is a character. He's so
funny, and he doesn't necessarily mean to be he kind of sometimes does because
he just likes to keep things fun. But he also is really interesting and
comes across as so credible, and of course he had some amazing experiences in
the seventies that we talk about. So a lot of good stuff at the
UFO Congress on demand and it's only a few bucks a month to have access
to hundreds of former lectures from the UFO Congress. So check out ufocongress dot
com for that. All right, lots of exciting news coming up, guys,
and so stay tuned. We'll talk to you next week and until then,
Audio smooth chucchos you mus