1 00:00:03,759 --> 00:00:13,439 Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks, your source of information 2 00:00:13,439 --> 00:00:17,120 and analysis to help you win your fantasy hockey league. Fuck off, that's 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,920 a step hit on, stay LOFs. Here's your hosts, Jesse Souvier and 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:29,320 Victor Nuno Fantasy Hockey Live. The draft is over. I am back with 5 00:00:29,399 --> 00:00:34,479 you. More importantly, back from the South, ready to get himself back 6 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,679 into that California's son, from that Nashville son. It's Victor Nuno. How 7 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:42,039 are you doing, Victor, I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Yeah, it's 8 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:46,000 good to be back. It was a fantastic time and we did a lot 9 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:50,960 of collecting of different audios and you did a masterful job of editing and putting 10 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,840 it all together. So thank you for that. But how are you doing. 11 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,880 Hey, I'm great, I'm great. It was a work of love. 12 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:00,359 But to men, yeah, I'm impressed. You were fidential journalists down 13 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,519 there, Victor, you had the tag. You were walking into the sessions 14 00:01:03,519 --> 00:01:07,359 and doing all the stuff. That was pretty awesome. It was so much 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,280 fun. I can't even tell you, just walking by all the different gms 16 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:18,400 and coaches, standing just a few feet away from all these decision makers and 17 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,359 At one point, Peter and I were walking down the hallway and just turned 18 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:25,959 right with Danny Brier and just started chatting with him. Things like that happened 19 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,400 a lot in those few days, and it was really cool. And also 20 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:33,719 just meeting all of our scouts and writers and people that we bring on the 21 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:36,640 show all the time, and it was just really great to actually be able 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,840 to meet those persons, those people in person. It was fantastic just to 23 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:42,519 collaborate and connect with everyone. Yeah, I had a great time. Definitely 24 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:45,120 going to become an annual tradition for me. I think I must say, 25 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:49,640 so Vegas this time next year is going to have to happen played and people. 26 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,680 Hopefully people listened to last week's episode where we got some of the highlights 27 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,599 of the audio you all captured down there, and hopefully they listened to Dabber 28 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:06,519 Prospect Report this Thursday and I heard the other half of that because it was 29 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,800 a great one. So if you missed that for some crazy reason, get 30 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,360 over there and download that episode to hear a lot of the goodness, including 31 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,520 a little Dan Briar audio on the episode that came out DPR this week. 32 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,759 Victor, We're here for the draft, and believe me, we're going to 33 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,000 talk a lot about the draft today. I was telling you earlier, I 34 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:30,680 don't know if there are other podcasts that are going to do more with the 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,000 draft, and we are. We've got a lot of episodes of draft talk, 36 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,319 some of them already in the books, some of them still coming. 37 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:44,280 This is really the opportunity to get Victor's take, and I'll have some reactions 38 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,800 to it, but to really pick your brain on how you're coming out of 39 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,840 this and thinking about the upcoming fantasy draft season out of what you saw in 40 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:54,120 the real NHL draft. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that 41 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:58,639 in a few minutes. Before we do that, let me just mention a 42 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,000 few things. First of all, we invite your questions. Do you have 43 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,199 a question about the NHL Draft. Do you want to know from Victor what 44 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,319 the best restaurant is in Nashville, Tennessee. Do you want to know how 45 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,159 long it takes to get in and out of Bridgetone Arena. You could come 46 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:16,319 into our discord and ask us all these things. Victor will answer any question 47 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:20,879 that you ask him. He has promised absolutely any question that he has asked 48 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,719 he will answer. Now that's not entirely true. I just wanted to see 49 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:25,280 if I can get a reaction. But you can come into our discord to 50 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:30,919 do that. It's free and all you have to do the discord is contact 51 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:36,879 Victor or myself. I am at fan Hockey Life on Twitter. Use one 52 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:39,599 of your six hundred tweet readings a day to check me out, and use 53 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,639 the other to look at Victor Nunio twelve because that's Victor, and message us 54 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,719 and then you can get the link, or you can just email us Fantasy 55 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:53,360 Hockey Life at gmail dot com. But not only do we have a discord 56 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:57,759 Victor, there's even more. And especially after this draft, our Patreon is 57 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,400 hopping with some new materiel. Don't you tell people? What's there? Yeah, 58 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,439 lots of great stuff over there. One of the biggest things I want 59 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:09,919 to highlight is our tiered dynasty. So we did our first season of the 60 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:14,000 tier Dynasty. We had four divisions, We promoted four teams from each, 61 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:16,879 created a new top division. Those guys are going to be drafting new teams 62 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:23,040 and it's going to be hot. We also added a bottom tier three division 63 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,319 where some new teams can join and work their way up. So we have 64 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,079 a few spots available, a few more still in that bottom division, and 65 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,959 a couple in each of the Tier two divisions of the from the teams that 66 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,079 were promoted. So if you're if you want to come in, you need 67 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,079 to be a patron. It's one of the perks. It's a really cool 68 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:45,399 league, test your skills against other really smart gms, and you can come 69 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:48,560 in on either the lower tier or the middle tier, but you do have 70 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,480 to be a patron. People are asking me which one they should do. 71 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,040 I think it depends on if you want to draft a brand new team, 72 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:58,399 that would be the bottom tier. If you want to take over and you're 73 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:00,199 gonna be there's gonna be a disperse soul, and you're going to draft from 74 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:03,199 those players who are left. So in theory, you should be drafting from 75 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,079 some good players because all of those teams got promoted. But it's still going 76 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,759 to be a challenge either way. So that's one of the good ones. 77 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,240 And of course the prospect spreadsheet is one of the highlights, where we've been 78 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,439 ranking about one hundred and fifty players at this point, all of them with 79 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:24,639 their bash and expected arrival times, and you can see the change since the 80 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,759 initial some guys who have really risen, guys who have fallen. I definitely 81 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,000 did a big update after talking to all the scouts at the draft and got 82 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:35,199 some more intel about what we think of all these players. So those are 83 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,279 constantly being revised and updated as we go. So that's one of the big 84 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:44,399 things. Of course, there's Patron Cast, there's Patron Priority Channel and a 85 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:46,680 lot of other perks, so check that out at patreon dot com slash Fantasy 86 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:53,240 Hockey Life. But wait, there's more. You can get a lot of 87 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,399 cool stuff there. There's one thing that is pretty awesome that you can get 88 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:00,439 for free and it doesn't cost you anything. Up a little bit of your 89 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:03,879 time in a couple of your cliques, Victor. If people want to get 90 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:10,480 the Dauber giveaway, the Dauber Fantasy Prospect Guide, I don't think I had 91 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,560 the real title. Why don't you tell them the real title, Victor, 92 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,000 and how they can get ahold of it. Yeah, so it's actually called 93 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:24,079 the Dauber Sports Ultimate Fantasy Pack twenty twenty three, so it includes a whole 94 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:30,319 lot of cool stuff. It is. It has the Prospect Report that both 95 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:32,560 Peter Harlan and I and a bunch of other people contributed to. Then you 96 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:38,480 have the main Dauber Guide that is what we've all used as our bible for 97 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:44,600 fantasy hockey forever. There's the list of rankings of players, the midseason Guide. 98 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:48,160 There's a whole lot of wonderfulness that associated with that ultimate pack. So 99 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,040 we're giving away ten of those. There's only a few things you got to 100 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,839 do. Follow both Jesse and I on Twitter, me at Victor New Year 101 00:06:56,879 --> 00:07:00,680 twelve, Jesse add fan Hockey Life, give a star fire five star review 102 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:04,519 to our podcast on whichever aggregator you like that allows you to do that, 103 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:10,120 and then retweet one of our episodes. Those are the three things that you 104 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,560 need to do. But then you also have to DM Jesse or myself perfectly 105 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:18,920 myself because I'm keeping track of all this, and that is the way that 106 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:21,959 you enter because otherwise we've had people enter this in the past and they say 107 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:26,160 they did these things, but I couldn't verify it, if you wouldn't believe 108 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:30,040 it, if you're in a different country, or sometimes we can't see the 109 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,079 same reviews that everyone else can see, so it actually can be a bit 110 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,000 tricky sometimes. So if you just take a screenshot of it and send it 111 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,879 to me. Then we can verify that you did that. So follow us 112 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:42,800 on Twitter, five star review, tweet out one of our episodes, and 113 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:45,800 then DM me that you did it, and then you can be entered to 114 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:49,560 win when that awesome Dauber Sports package. Thanks a Dauber for that, and 115 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:54,319 definitely get yourself in the running. Yeah. Man, it's not like we're 116 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:57,000 going to call the FBI out. We're not going to do forensics to make 117 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,920 sure you did it. The point is we don't know all your user names. 118 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,079 You've got a different user Listen, you have five different user names out 119 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,560 there. I know you do, and we can't keep track of which ones 120 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:11,160 or which anyway. So let's take a break. Victor, I can't wait 121 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:22,800 anymore. It's time to talk about the draft. It's time. Finally the 122 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,759 draft is done. Victor's takes are coming. We're going to talk about the 123 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,639 twenty twenty three NHL Entry Draft, and we'll start the place that everybody has 124 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,840 to start with the top ten picks in the very first one, Connorbadard Center 125 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:41,279 from the Regina Pats of the WHL and the Chicago Blackhawks. Now, yep, 126 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,799 we're gonna have to watch him skate around the Chicago for several years to 127 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:50,480 come. Victor, what is there to say about Connorbadard? Not much. 128 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,559 He's amazing. Yeah, he's my number one. He's have one's number one. 129 00:08:54,639 --> 00:08:58,840 It's not really that debatable, I don't think. I think it would 130 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,919 have been interesting to see Mitch coof at the international tournaments, but as it 131 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:09,279 stands, it wasn't really that close. His equivalences are just ridiculous if you 132 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,240 look at his NHL e pH Lee however you want to splice it, all 133 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:18,799 of his comps are basically Hall of Famers or NHL superstars. So at this 134 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:24,320 point it would be a massive statistical anomaly to think that he is not going 135 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,679 to be an NHL superstar. So that's really the main question is just what 136 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,480 is the upside and how soon does he hit it? Are really the only 137 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:37,639 questions I think. And Chicago, since originally they won the draft pick, 138 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,840 they have made some moves. It seems Taylor Hall is a fantastic linemate I 139 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,440 think for him because he's a great playmaker and Badard likes to shoot, so 140 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,559 it seems like that can be a really great pair and maybe they add some 141 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,679 more talent to help him get up to seventy eighty points. I think that's 142 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,360 possible in his first year, depends on how much talent they surround surround him 143 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:03,000 with, because he's certainly not going to be able to do it all alone, 144 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:07,000 but he's certainly going to get all the top deployment, and I've even 145 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,000 heard some of the scouts say that he could probably he might even be able 146 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:16,080 to be the first line center this year, which seems crazy for a guy 147 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,120 who's not even eighteen yet. But either way, he'll get tons of deployment 148 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:22,399 and he's going to be great, so I'm not really worried about that. 149 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:28,039 His bash is actually pretty good too. He has really good shots and even 150 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,559 some pretty decent blocks, and not a big hitter. But he is small. 151 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,799 People don't talk about that as much, but he is small, and 152 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,440 definitely saw that in person. All these guys are a lot smaller than I 153 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,240 thought they would be. Frankly, none of them were really that big. 154 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:45,039 So yeah, Connor Badard, amazing. What more is there to say? 155 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:50,039 It's a boring discussion, right, Jesse. Yeah, It's like it's the 156 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,399 best and also the least interesting fantasy topic because you're right, it's just take 157 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,559 Connor Badar. Don't think about it. The top ten we're going to cover 158 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,799 is not in order of the way that they were selected, but arguably the 159 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:09,519 guy who you have ranked second in your these are fantasy rankings, right, 160 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,799 Victor is probably the second most discussed player from this draft. And this is 161 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:20,039 our kacheller, the right winger Matt Vay Mitchkoff, who went number seven overall 162 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,399 to the Philadelphia Flyers. I was telling a friend of mine who's a Flyers 163 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:26,879 fan, how excited he ought to be about this, how stoked he should 164 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:31,480 be that your friend Daniel Brier saw this guy and vicked him. But why 165 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,200 didn't tell us about Matt Vay Mitchkoff. Yeah, Mitchcoff is awesome, And 166 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,960 I'm I was a little surprised if Philly did this. Everyone was saying that 167 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,120 he was going to fall one more spot to Washington, who seemed to love 168 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,519 their Russians, and I'm sure you would have been stoked about that. But 169 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,360 so I was a little surprised because Philly usually goes for the tough guy, 170 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,080 and everyone thought that. I thought they were gonna take Ryan Leonard when those 171 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,279 two kind of fliped spots between Washington and Philly. And that's what I asked 172 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,080 Brier about, is this seems like a new era in Philly and he's yeah, 173 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,720 we're going for high upside, high skill. This is what we're doing. 174 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:07,799 I was like, great, So that's fantastic to see. And you're 175 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:09,480 absolutely right. This is a fantasy ranking. When I do my ranks, 176 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,600 I do fantasy ranks. I know there's a lot of lists out there and 177 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:16,600 you have to be careful what you're looking at. And I highly respect the 178 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:22,000 guys who really try to project who the best NHL ers are and that is 179 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,440 a very different list, right, And that's not what I'm trying to do 180 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:26,919 here. I'm trying to see who has the most upside. So you're going 181 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,360 to see guys much higher than where they win in the NHL Draft because I'm 182 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:35,120 just looking at upside. And I think Mitchkof has the second highest upside in 183 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:39,919 this class. And my comfort him is Nikita Kutrof. I think he plays 184 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:45,080 that way. I think he has a lethal shot and an amazing ability to 185 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,320 make plays and create on his own. So that's what Koutrof is right. 186 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,799 He has a pretty devastating shot. But also he's a fantastic playmaker and can 187 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,399 create space for people, open up lanes. His production and the KHL was 188 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:05,720 absolutely historic. You look at top top point paces in the KHL for draft 189 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,519 eligible guys, and by point pace, he had more than anyone ever in 190 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,039 history. The only one who had who had more actual points was Vladimir Taraschenko, 191 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,360 who had twenty four points in forty two games back in the two thousand 192 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,360 nine ten season, but it was a slightly lower pace, and that's even 193 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:26,960 if you include his three games he played for Scott Saint Petersburg, which was 194 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,639 like, I think he played three minutes in one of those games, so 195 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,799 that barely counts. But yeah, better than some pretty good players like Kioka 196 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:37,600 prisof If, Geenny kuznets Off, even Nikita Kutrov who had two points in 197 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,200 nine games, not a big example size, but it wasn't better. So 198 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,919 there's a lot of other guys down the list here too, like Buchnevitch and 199 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,519 a couple of guys from this season like Danielle Boot and some other guys. 200 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:54,399 So yeah, what he was able to do is fantastic and people are all 201 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,120 worried about the contract. It was interesting that when he talked, and it 202 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,120 sure seemed like Mitchkoff was trying to manipulate where he went. It seemed like 203 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,240 he wanted to go to a big market team, and you can hold that 204 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,279 against him whatever. Frankly, I think a lot of us would do the 205 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,200 same thing in that situation. You want to have some control over this very 206 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:18,559 uncontrollable situation, and he was able to because of the Russian factor in the 207 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,320 contract. But I think that it may make sense that he wants to play 208 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,679 for a bigger market and he also said that he wants to come over as 209 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:30,879 soon as possible. Now his KHL contract says otherwise, But I don't know 210 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:33,200 where there's a will. There's a way on both sides, and maybe he 211 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,240 comes over even sooner if the team lets him out of his contract. I 212 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,519 doubt they will, but you never know, and then everyone will look like 213 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:41,440 they have egg on their face. If he comes over in a year, 214 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:45,840 it'll be like, what were we thinking? But his equivalences are also absurd. 215 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:50,240 They're all basically the same as the Dards in terms of Wayne Gretzky, 216 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:54,320 Crosby McDavid, Jack Hughes, Paul Kurree, all these guys are basically the 217 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,159 same comps, and so Mitchkof would also it would be an anomaly if he 218 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,320 wasn't just absolutely elite for points. His bash is also pretty good if you're 219 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,919 wondering just average for hits, but massive volume shooter and does decent with blocks 220 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:11,440 too. So these neither one of these guys are a black hole in terms 221 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,080 of those types of peripherals. But yeah, these for me are one two 222 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:20,559 with the bullet And if you're picking second overall in your fantasy league, unless 223 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:24,279 you're really concerned about the waytime, I think I think you should strongly consider 224 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,279 whether it's wise to pass on Meechcoff because I think when you look back, 225 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,320 you're gonna wonder why you didn't take Nikita Kutrov two point zero. Yeah, 226 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,879 for sure, this guy is definitely the upside swing, and that's what we 227 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,120 say people should do in their fantasy drafts. It really is all about that 228 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:46,879 weight in a way, as a Capital's watcher, in a way, it 229 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:52,039 doesn't break my heart as much as it ordinarily would because I think the Capitals 230 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:58,720 know they're gonna stink and eventually, but really, right now, I'm thinking 231 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:03,159 I really liked the guy that they got for the potential to maximize these last 232 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,679 few years of Obie and provide some strength with him. But anyway, let's 233 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:14,320 move on to number three. The guy who we expected, or at least 234 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,240 I thought, was going to go second in this draft, but he ended 235 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,600 up going third to the Columbus Blue Jackets from the University of Michigan, Adam 236 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:26,840 Fantilly. He decided to sign on the bottom line, I thought he was 237 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,840 talking about going back to the NCAA, but he wasn't. He didn't go 238 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,840 back to Michigan, but Adam Fantilly, Victor. He may have gone after 239 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,799 Leo Carlson, but you have ranked him before, so tell us about Adam 240 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,039 Vantilly. Yeah, this was definitely a surprise. I think we were starting 241 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:47,000 to hear rumors that and I'm really likes Carlson and so it wasn't like a 242 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,600 massive surprise, but we were all, yeah, that's not what a lot 243 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:53,399 of people thought. And I love the fact that he went to CBJ. 244 00:16:53,600 --> 00:17:00,240 I think that they both Columbus and Anaheim have some pretty well established NHL allen 245 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,039 and so that helps him be able to play off them a little bit more. 246 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:06,519 Whereas Baddard is going to be doing a lot of this on his own, 247 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,039 even though he'll get all the best deployment, doesn't have the best people 248 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:12,559 to play with and fantillies. We've talked a little bit about this in the 249 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:17,640 past, but his rookie season in the NCAA was pretty historic, winning the 250 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,559 Hobie Baker, and his points per game basically lands him between Jack Eichel and 251 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:25,160 Paul Korea. So if you're wondering, like how good he can be, 252 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:30,279 I think it's reasonable to say he's probably between those two, and those guys 253 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:34,839 are both Korea was amazing and Jack Eichel is currently still pretty great, so 254 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,599 that's a pretty hard or pretty great guys to be compared to a He's a 255 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,720 power forward too. He's got some snarl in his game, so definitely a 256 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:48,200 little bit more feisty in terms of the bash he has. He writes out 257 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,720 as excellent for bash, just averaging blocks, but really good for hits and 258 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:55,400 shots, and I think that he does have that to his game, where 259 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,000 he's a little bit more imposing on his opponents and the bigger guy. He's 260 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,920 also older for this draft class. He's actually really old. He's in October 261 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,200 twelve, birthdays. So he's just about four weeks away from being eligible for 262 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:08,640 last year's draft. But he's pretty physically mature. He's pretty big dude. 263 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:11,319 He definitely was one of the few that I saw a person that was like, 264 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:15,839 Okay, yeah, this guy's pretty big. And he definitely has that 265 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:19,720 confidence in his eye too that you can see he's gonna make things happen. 266 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:26,480 His tracking data is interesting. He has really excellent shooting. His expected goals 267 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,319 are like the highest that Mitch Brown tracked, and his shots and shot assists 268 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,279 are also really good, and then had some other really good numbers like his 269 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,519 off puck assists and game score. But some of his transition game is really 270 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:41,279 not great, and that makes sense because he's not like the best skater. 271 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,240 He's not the fastest guy by any means, but he's not like slow or 272 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:48,640 anything. But he's definitely he's a really good end zone player. Once you 273 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,160 get the puck in the zone and you can bang bodies, you can create 274 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,000 space and that kind of stuff, he's really good at that. And his 275 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:56,839 equivalences are really high too. He's got some pretty good comps. Funny, 276 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,079 we were just talking about Brier. That's one of his comps Pierre Turjon. 277 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,720 Pat Lafontaine is a guy. I think he looks a lot alike in the 278 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,559 in the Hockey prospecting model, and he was pretty good player. And just 279 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:11,640 if you're wondering how he rates out equivalency wise to Jack Eichel, even though 280 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,799 his numbers were a little bit better in NC Doublea's equivalency rates out a little 281 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:21,359 bit lower just because of the D minus one season that he had which was 282 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:26,039 not quite as good in the USHL. So Jack Eichel equivalence he has looked 283 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:29,960 a little bit better, but still Ventilly looks like he's going to be awesome. 284 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,319 And I think even though Baddard is amazing, Vantilly has a pretty good 285 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,240 shot of giving a run for the money for the Calder just because he's going 286 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:41,119 to have a lot more support around him. He's got some really good NHL 287 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,160 players there in Columbus, assuming they don't all get hurt like they did last 288 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,039 year. But what do you think about that, Jesse, pretty good chance 289 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:51,079 that Vanilly, just because of the supporting cast, puts up as many or 290 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,160 even more points. What do you think? I get where you're coming from. 291 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,200 And it's funny last winter I feel like every once in a while, 292 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,480 if you really want to to have a hot take and get a few clicks, 293 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:06,480 you could. And I'm not accusing anybody of doing their stuff for clicks, 294 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:10,279 okay, but there were a few people who tried to spend that article 295 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:14,119 of maybe Fantility is just as good as Bdard, or maybe he should be 296 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,279 ranked first, which I don't know that anybody ultimately could do with a straight 297 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,519 face, but I get the logic there that he's close enough to it, 298 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:25,720 and given the team context in Columbus, Yeah, if you haven't been paying 299 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:27,920 attention to, Columbus is decent. They've got a lot of good players there 300 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,759 and they seem to keep bringing them in. So I would say that is 301 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:38,599 within the range of possibility. I suspect that if it's anywhere close but Dard, 302 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:45,480 the narrative around Bdard and owing and onwing over his initial highlights will probably 303 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:51,799 mean that he gets the nod, but it's not impossible. Moving on number 304 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,400 four, we're not to Leo Carlson yet spoiler, We're not going to make 305 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,400 it to him in a while. Instead, the US National Team Development program 306 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,359 at the us HL provided to the San Jose Sharks at number four, Will 307 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:11,960 Smith Victor, Why is Will Smith your number four fantasy prospect? Because he's 308 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:18,880 the fresh prince of bel Air. That's why. No, he's fantastic, 309 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,640 He's in terms of fantasy he's everything that you would want. I think it's 310 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:29,319 possible that Will Smith even has a higher points upside than Fantility, but I 311 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,839 think that's probably it's they're at least in the same conversation. Actually, Will 312 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,559 Smith's equivalency is a little higher, but in terms of projectability, Fantility is 313 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:44,559 just such a safer all around player and his compete level is really high. 314 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,240 He's pretty not he's not great defensively, Fantility, but he's much better than 315 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:52,440 Will Smith. He's a little bit above average, and so that's really good. 316 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,920 And the thing about Will Smith, yeah, he's I would compare him 317 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,559 to Trevor Zegris, who at the program had similar numbers in some ways and 318 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,519 was also just an offensive guy where he could just do his own thing. 319 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,519 And that's what Will Smith did. He tried things at the ushl N Cuba 320 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:15,799 a level that he was able to just because his line was so dominant, 321 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,839 and the coaches told him to just go score, do whatever you need to 322 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,759 do to score, and he didn't have to worry about playing defense or stuff. 323 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:27,559 And he didn't play defense. It was actually really terrible defensively. He's 324 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,720 here all gas, no break, It's just go and we worry about what 325 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,680 happens later. If we could scored on we'll just go score another goal. 326 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,400 That's basically the philosophy. He's got great moves, he's got great offensive instincts, 327 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:41,240 got a really killer shot that he can get off in a variety of 328 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:45,599 different ways and really quickly. So that's gonna treat him really well. I 329 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,720 think he's going to have a lot of a lot of offensive opportunities that I 330 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:55,160 think the biggest question will with Will Smith is and fantasy people don't usually want 331 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,039 to hear about this, but can he played good enough defense to be a 332 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,559 one see? Can he round out his game well enough to be an all 333 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:07,079 situations type of player, because otherwise you're like a second liner that you probably 334 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,559 gets top power play, but you're getting far fewer minutes and you're getting selective 335 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:14,960 matchups, and so that's going to limit your ice time and opportunity. I 336 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,119 think that's a realistic outcome for Will Smith. I also think that it's possible 337 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,960 that he gets to the point where he needs to be and really matures. 338 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:26,319 This next year or two in college is going to be really important for him, 339 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,960 even though he's going with Leonard and pro to BC. I hope that 340 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,240 they split him up and make him play defensively, and I think that's going 341 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:36,480 to happen in college. They're not going to let him play the way he 342 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:38,920 did at the USNTDP, so it'll be interesting to see. I think Will 343 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,880 Smith can get there, but he's got a lot of work to do at 344 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,200 both ends of the ice. His equivalences are interesting. There aren't a whole 345 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,720 lot of players who look the way he did. Is in particular because he 346 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:55,440 had a very modest D minus one season and then absolutely exploded for more than 347 00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:59,160 double the points in his D in his draft season, and not a lot 348 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,559 of guys look like that. One of his comps that may be appropriate, 349 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:07,119 I don't know is Marion Hoosa, So that would be a pretty great outcome 350 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,519 because he was great, But there aren't really a whole lot of other guys 351 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,240 that you can compare him too. And if you look at the tracking data, 352 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,839 his defense is just terrible, and actually some of his transition defense, 353 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,400 even though he's not slow, but I think he's just a little inconsistent in 354 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,559 his own entries and exits and turns the puck over a fair amount. So 355 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:29,400 those are some issues that he needs to clean up, which I think he 356 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:32,079 can. It's just a matter of the way that he was asked to play 357 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,240 high risk, high reward hockey and that isn't something he's going to continue to 358 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:40,279 play. But Will Smith he's awesome. I think he's definitely the fourth best 359 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:45,640 guy that you want, arguably even in that same tier with Van Hilly depending 360 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,920 on your settings. But I will say his bash is a little bit lower 361 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,880 than the other the first where you've talked about he has pretty good shots, 362 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,359 but his hits and blocks are a little bit lower. So if you're worried 363 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,400 about him multi category league, then Vanhillia is the obvious choice. If it's 364 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,079 a points only league, then you know, I think he and Van Hillier 365 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:11,920 are close, and maybe even lean Smith, especially because he's got a clear 366 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,759 path to a one sie. I would say in San Jose, if he 367 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,720 develops properly, do you think Jesse, Yeah, that makes perfect sense to 368 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:25,559 me. Will Smith definitely impressed and deserved would go where he went. The 369 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:30,400 next guy we're going to talk about, Victor dropped substantially below where I would 370 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:36,440 have thought he would have been picked. And you had a really good interview 371 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:40,759 or scrum that you recorded with him that we played on the last episode. 372 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,880 And it's Zach Benson, who is forward, who's going to be playing for 373 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,680 the Buffalo Sabers now. And he dropped all the way to the number thirteen 374 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:53,759 pick, and which was a surprise, I think to me and maybe too 375 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:59,599 many who were watching the draft. But he did not drop Victor in your 376 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,599 rank of what he is going to do based on this draft. So tell 377 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,920 people about Zak Benson's game. Zack Benson is awesome. He's everything you want 378 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,480 in a player. He's very strong with the puck, he skates really well, 379 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,519 he's got great vision, he's got a really good shot. He's competitive 380 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:19,920 at both ends of the ice. The only downside really is that he's five 381 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,599 foot ten and some say he's even five nine and a half or whatever. 382 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,319 So he definitely and he's pretty slight too, he's one hundred and seventy pounds. 383 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,920 I remember when I was standing next to him, thinking like, this 384 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,400 guy is actually pretty small, and I'm not that big of a dude, 385 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:38,039 although I am heavier than him. But he is just so smart and so 386 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:44,519 skilled. He knows how to make other players do what he wants them to 387 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,200 do. He manipulates them into doing what he wants and goading them into positions 388 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,920 that they don't want to be in. He sees the game several steps ahead. 389 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,880 He's playing for d chess and everyone else is just playing checkers. That's 390 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,359 basically the way to put it with Zack Benson. His tracking data is reports 391 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,279 this too. The one thing he's maybe not great at it is the shooting. 392 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,519 He's not like a volume shooter. He's much more selective. And he's 393 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:11,920 an awesome playmaker. So his expected assists per sixty or like off like practically 394 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,160 broke Mitch Brown's chart. He's so good at that. And his transition games 395 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,640 also pretty good. But a lot of his other things, like his defensive 396 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,799 games, I know ep Ringside called him the best defensive forward in the draft, 397 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,039 which is pretty impressive considering there's some guys that's like their whole deal is 398 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,039 being good defensively, and Zach Benson not only scored a ton, but it's 399 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,759 good defensively, so he's fantastic. My comp for him is Mitch Marner. 400 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:40,400 I think people forget that Mitch Marner is basically five eleven, one seventy, 401 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,839 which is basically where Zach Benson is, and I think that they play similarly. 402 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,599 They see the game so well they create space for others they and I 403 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,839 think, like Marner, Benson is not a guy who's going to shoot first. 404 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,599 He's gonna always hold the puck and draw attention and create space for others 405 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:03,680 so that they can hammer the puck home like Austin Matthews. And Buffalo's got 406 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,640 some pretty good goal scorers on their team, so I'm pretty sure that he 407 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,119 could work well with them in the future. But he's got He definitely has 408 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:12,960 two or three years at least to develop. He's going to go back to 409 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:18,160 the DUB and being a May birthday, he's got two more years in the 410 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,680 DUB before he can even graduate, so he's going to be a weight and 411 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,519 hopefully he puts on a lot of hopefully grows an inch and puts on some 412 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,519 more muscle. But Zach Benson, I think has one of the highest ceilings 413 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,440 and I think five years from now we could look back and say, how 414 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:38,279 the heck did the next Mitch Marner fall to thirteen to Buffalo. He's fantastic 415 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:42,440 and I definitely would not be worried about the fact that he went thirteenth in 416 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,880 your fantasy drafts. I would definitely still be looking at him in the top 417 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,039 five, no later than six or seven. He should not be falling outside 418 00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:52,759 the top ten in your fantasy drafts. I can't make a good case for 419 00:28:52,880 --> 00:29:00,079 why they're ten better guys than Zach Benson. Next, the guy who did 420 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,599 fall to the Washington Capitals, And you said, a guy who's also going 421 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:10,160 to be going off to play college in the fall, Ryan Leonard again from 422 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,160 that US national team development program and the USAHL. A guy who's he's a 423 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,440 tough guy. Victor Right is scorer and a fighter and a lover. Tell 424 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,119 me about Ryan Leonard and why I should take him number six, if not 425 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,240 before, in my fantasy draft. Yeah, you've got a good one there 426 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:33,640 in Washington. I think the biggest thing to say about him is that out 427 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,440 of all out of the one hundred and fifty plus players that I've tracked for 428 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,039 the draft on my spreadsheet, he's only one of two who rate out as 429 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,240 a lead for Bash, and that's pretty incredible when it would be incredible even 430 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,720 if you didn't score a bunch of points. But Ryan Leonard scored a ton 431 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:53,200 of points and he was just overshadowed by his two linemates. But I think 432 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,799 if you break down that line, it's pretty clear the best all around player 433 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,559 on that line is Ryan Leonard. There's no question about it. It's not 434 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,319 Gaye Pro, it's not Will Smith, it's Ryan Leonard. If you needed 435 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,240 to win a game, he's the guy you put on the ice in any 436 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:14,000 situation, up or down, trailing, whatever. And he's basically a big 437 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,920 a mix stylistically between Matthew and Brady K Chuck and I just saw Jesse practically 438 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,759 jump out of his chair at that mention because I know you love those guys, 439 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,119 but yeah, he's fantastic. If Vash is valuable to you, then 440 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,680 you want Leonard. And the thing is that he's not just a hitter. 441 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,119 He doesn't just do that. He's also very skilled. He has some really 442 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,480 good moves, but he doesn't try the low percentage moves that Will Smith does. 443 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,640 He just makes really strong, powerful moves. He sees lanes and he 444 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,799 hits them, but he's not trying for the home run passes that Will Smith 445 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,039 does. He's not trying for those low percentage plays, So sometimes you don't 446 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,640 see the ooze and oz as much. They're still as impressive when you notice 447 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,319 them. He's just he doesn't al with as many passes, I guess is 448 00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:06,240 one way to say, as Will Smith does, and he just has a 449 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,440 ton of skill, and so you're hoping that he can be anything close to 450 00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:11,640 that third Kochuck brother. And if he can, then holy cow, you're 451 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,839 laughing all the way to the bank whenever you get him. I think if 452 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,519 you get him at six, you're pretty happy. I think there's even a 453 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,799 case in some leagues that you take Ryan Leonard even earlier. I think that 454 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,559 there's some who say he just doesn't have enough skill. He's just going to 455 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:29,160 be a third liner, third line banger, like an Alex Tuck, which 456 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,799 is like interesting but not amazing, And that's certainly a possible outcome. But 457 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,960 I think he has way more skill than that to play to necessitate being a 458 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,960 top liner or at least a top sixer, and most of his tracking data 459 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,279 it supports that, and in terms of his comps, he actually looks like 460 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:52,440 some pretty good players like Jack Quinn, Timomeyers, someone he comps out pretty 461 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,119 similarly too. And obviously he's pretty good and been that power forward mold. 462 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,039 If you're wondering how he looks an hl wise to the Chucks, he definitely 463 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:05,240 looks like he's in between them, a little lesser than Matthew, a little 464 00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,839 better than Brady. But remember Brady didn't rate out very well in those equivalency 465 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:15,559 models. He broke her Invader's model because it it didn't predict how well he 466 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,440 would be. Yeah, definitely, I love Ryan Leonard. I think he 467 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,920 in terms of like floors, he has probably one of the highest floors in 468 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,680 this entire class, and he's going to be an NHLA for a long time. 469 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,799 And I'm sure Jesse, after hearing all this Kachuck love, that you're 470 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,880 going to take Ryan Leonard first overall in your draft. I think I mentioned 471 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,960 this on the other show, Victor, but I think they could Chuck comps 472 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:42,680 need to be banned now, along with the Brad Marshawn comps. It should 473 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,920 be illegal to compare that because everybody wants a Kachuck now, I mean, 474 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,640 and it before it was a Kochuck. It was a Tom Wilson, who 475 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,519 admittedly is a very poor man's Kochuck when it comes to scoring. But this 476 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:59,359 idea of the speed in the physicality and scoring in the net front is great. 477 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,920 It's definitely an archetype that you're interested in fantasy, so I am certainly 478 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,319 interested. But I always hold onto my wallet when people start throwing kil Chuck 479 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:12,000 around. There are only there's only one Kilchuck. I mean there's actually two 480 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,920 and possibly three if you count the dad. But we finally, Victor are 481 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,039 down to number seven in your rankings. Number two NHL draft pick Leo Carlson, 482 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:27,359 Who's going to be going to the Anaheim Ducks. Why is Leo Carlson. 483 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,720 He's dropped in terms of fantasy rankings, but he's still a very highly 484 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,440 valued prospect for you. Tell us about Leo Carlson. Yeah, he's a 485 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:43,160 really great player, just really high floor, very smart, very savvy. 486 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,640 We didn't get to hear from him at the pre draft media scrum thing that 487 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,480 I got a lot of recordings from because his flight didn't happen from Jersey and 488 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,640 so they actually drove and got there too late, so I didn't get to 489 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,680 hear from him directly that day. But anyways, he's just a really good 490 00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:05,519 smart player. Our dabber guide gave him the comp of Sasha Barkov, and 491 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,320 I think that's pretty appropriate. Barkov, He's just so smooth and smart the 492 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,480 way he plays. He makes very high percentage plays, He protects the puck 493 00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,159 well, he distributes well, but also he can score. Carlson can do 494 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,599 all of that. If you look at the way he plays, especially compared 495 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,760 to Will Smith is like such high risk high reward plays and Leo Carlson is 496 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,639 like low risk, high reward. Everything he does is smart and makes sense 497 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,679 and is with conserving and protecting the puck in mind. But it doesn't mean 498 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,159 he doesn't have skill. He can very much deep people and make some pull 499 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,360 you out of the seat, but he knows when to do it. He's 500 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,119 very judicious about when he pulls those things off, and he doesn't do it 501 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,440 if it's risky and could potentially hurt the team, whereas Will Smith hasn't quite 502 00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:54,280 learned that yet or hasn't been asked really to do that yet. And I 503 00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:00,599 do think Carlson will build a resume for a Selkie Trophy one day one of 504 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:06,000 the things that Mitch does his partners with Lasi Allinen, who does the tracking 505 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:09,719 data for the international some of the international guys, and Leo Carlson's tracking data 506 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,880 for the SHL as a draft eligible is insane. Like, he's literally one 507 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,679 of the best players in the league. If you look at the perse sixty 508 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,599 numbers in terms of like slot passes and expected goals and controlled X as an 509 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:27,280 entry is it's all phenomenal, and so that's really great, even though his 510 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,800 equivalence he looks a little lower. And I talked to Byron about this, 511 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,920 and part of the issue was that he didn't improve his NHL lead from his 512 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,719 draft D minus went to his draft season very much and that was basically what 513 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,400 held him back, which is a little unfair because his draft minus one equivalency 514 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,119 is really high. So just because he didn't increase from D minus one to 515 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,920 draft season shouldn't really be held that much against him because they're both really high 516 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,960 numbers. And so anyways, I think he's a little bit closer to Elias 517 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,719 Patterson than the numbers might suggest, because what he did in the SHL was 518 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,400 very impressive. But anyways, he might be closer to Shankaturier type, which 519 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,119 is still great, but maybe he doesn't have that big upside, which is 520 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,280 basically why I rated him a little bit lower. And I was a little 521 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,840 surprised at Ducks went with him. I thought that it made sense to go 522 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:19,000 Fantilly. They have liked their USNTD B and NC DOUBAA guys, but they 523 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,480 must have seen something they really liked in Carlson, and I think it makes 524 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:24,039 sense. He's very NHL ready, he's very mature, he's very safe. 525 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:28,480 I think he will be a glue guy. That'll They already have their flashy 526 00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:30,440 and their Zegras type, and so maybe they thought, oh we don't need 527 00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:36,920 as much of that. Maybe we need just more secure, safe, projectable 528 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,320 like top line center, and that's what Leo Carlson is for sure. What 529 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,559 did you think of that pick? Yeah, that's a lot of sizzle that 530 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,360 Anaheim already has. I was disappointed. I was hoping that they would take 531 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,960 Fantilly. I don't have a whole lot in the tank for whether it's better 532 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:59,280 for Anaheim or Columbus to have him, but the Fantilly skill set more than 533 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,920 Carlson Carlson. It's whenever you hear things like two way and reliable from a 534 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,360 fantasy perspective, it cools you down on the guy. And that's not fair 535 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,800 because obviously a great two way guy can be a great fantasy player. But 536 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:21,199 when a guy's value as a hockey player is being accruede from some of those 537 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,039 things that don't necessarily show up on the stat sheet the same way, it 538 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,360 does lead me away from him as my top fantasy pick. I think this 539 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,079 is appropriate rated and it's not like he's a bad pick whatsoever. Certainly a 540 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,960 very defensible, very logical one for Anaheim to do. But now, Victor, 541 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,960 we are going to go down to the eighth pick of your fantasy rankings. 542 00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:49,440 We're gonna go to the desert where Arizona fifth overall. The second defenseman 543 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:53,719 off the board took Dmitri Simaschev, and that seems like you like that as 544 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,400 a pick for them. Tell us about Dmitri Simaschev, Victor, So, 545 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,599 Simaschev going six to Arizona it was a bit surprising. I don't think was 546 00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,760 surprises when he was one of the first defensemen off the board. He's a 547 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,760 super high upside guy in terms of he's a little raw right now, but 548 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,960 he's really big, he skates really well, he sees the ice really well. 549 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,559 He's played in a professional league. He played eighteen games in the KHL 550 00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:27,480 and looked really good doing it defensively anyways, he also scored exactly zero points 551 00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:29,920 in that league, So I think a lot of people are worried that he 552 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,800 doesn't have offense. I don't ascribe to that because you can see the plays 553 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,599 that he's making. It just didn't translate into any primary or secondary assists. 554 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,360 But he was creating and he was driving play and he was doing that kind 555 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000 of stuff. So I really like him, and I think even if he 556 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,079 doesn't score a ton of points, I think thirty to forty points is more 557 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,840 than reasonable, and he should have a ton of time on ice and be 558 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,840 pretty good for BASH as well. I don't know that his BASH will be 559 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,920 a league, but it should be good, and so that is something that 560 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:07,840 is tantalizing. And he was also pretty darn good in the MHL but didn't 561 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,840 score like a ton of points. So I guess that's the part that people 562 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,079 really equipal with. Is Okay, even if you're not going to score in 563 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,760 the KHL, you could score in the MHL. But I think you just 564 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,360 have to look at the product, and you have to look at how they're 565 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,480 doing it and the process and if you trust the process in the tools, 566 00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:24,599 which I do, and I know I talked to a lot of people who 567 00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:29,519 do. They really like him, But I think the upside is middle pairing 568 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,239 and probably not like a top power play guy, So there's a little bit 569 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,800 less excitement there for Simaschev. But I think he's someone who clearly can run 570 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,760 up play. He reminds me a little bit and Dabber has the comp of 571 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,679 Alex Petrangelo. Alex Petrangelo is more than capable of running your power play. 572 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:51,360 He's maybe not the most offensively gifted, and you can see his teammate in 573 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,559 Vegas being the one who should be running the power play in Shade Theodore, 574 00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:59,960 but Alex Petrangelo can do it all. And I think that's what Simaschev is. 575 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:01,360 He's someone who you're going to want because he's going to play, He's 576 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,199 going to put up good numbers, he's gonna be out there all the time, 577 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,960 he's gonna have a high floor. So you like that. I think 578 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:14,280 when you look at Howey prospecting his star probability is extremely low. It's basically 579 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:20,320 the five percent gift that Byron gives people because he literally had no points in 580 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,559 the KHL and very little in the MHL. So when you look at equivalences, 581 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,440 there are very few who turned out to be really good players based on 582 00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:34,880 that you're basically talking about Jacob Truba is the only one. There's a bunch 583 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,119 of guys who made it who didn't do much. But there's still a lot 584 00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:42,440 to like with Simashev in terms of you're getting someone who's going to play. 585 00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,360 It may take a few years, but he's going to play in the NHL. 586 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,639 You're not going to be wasting a pick, and there's still upside for 587 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,360 more offense. We all thought this about most Cider, and then he turned 588 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,320 into be a beast of a fantasy ascid. I don't really see that. 589 00:40:55,559 --> 00:41:00,199 I think there's still a possibility he scores a lot more points, and we 590 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,199 all thought so. I think I like those high floor guys to some extent 591 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,880 Jesse, just because they're going to play and they're going to put up some 592 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,159 stats instead of there's some guys who you pick and you're like, there's a 593 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:13,199 lot of upside there, but there's also a zero floor, and then you're 594 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,639 stuck with no assets at all, or no points or nothing to deal with. 595 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,199 So I don't know how you how you manage those kind of risks, 596 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,440 but I think that Simashchev deserves to be in the Fantasy top ten just because 597 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,280 of that super high floor and the ceiling may not be super high, but 598 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,360 it's still decent. We are your thoughts on that. I would agree with 599 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:38,880 you, Victor. Please don't blame Dmitri Simashev for being picked ahead of the 600 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:45,480 guys who were really excited about We've already talked about Matt by Mitchkoff and Ryan 601 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,000 Leonard. It's not his fault. He went sixth, And don't get caught 602 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,719 in the trap of loll Coyotes and say this guy is going to be a 603 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,000 bus because he was drafted sixth ahead of some of those other players. He 604 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,679 is the highest ranked defense in your rankings, Victor. He seems to have 605 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,159 earned that position, and in fact, we're going to talk about one more 606 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,719 defenseman in your top ten. But yeah, this it was not a great 607 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,440 defenseman draft. The Coyotes wanted a defenceman, they potentially got the best one 608 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,639 in terms of how it's going to work out for our fantasy performances. So 609 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,159 yeah, Dmitri Simaschev, good dude, we'll have to see. It's such 610 00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:29,159 an unknown for him to come over here. Like you said, no points 611 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,760 last year, Number nine, Victor, we're going to go back to the 612 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,320 US national team development program. It's another big year for the US national team. 613 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:44,719 Twenty third overall, the New York Rangers select Gabriel Perrot. Who is 614 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,880 Why didn't you tell us who he is? He's an enigma a little bit. 615 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,920 He broke the USNTDB record for points and everybody thought that it was Will 616 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,320 Smith, and I mean he did two. But these guys were just really 617 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,159 great together. And it's hard to get a read on that trio because they 618 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,159 just always play together. And it's interesting that kind we're seeing a little bit 619 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:12,719 of them playing a part now by the trio Pierrol Leonard and Will Smith, 620 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,960 and they all bring something a little bit different. They're all going to be 621 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:22,280 see together, but we we did. I have seen Will Smith play a 622 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,880 little bit separate at the Prospects scrimmage that I went to the first a couple 623 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,159 of day, a couple of days before recording, and it's and we do 624 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,639 need to see this like how they all operate together, but as a trio 625 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,920 they were incredible. And I think he was the third best on that line. 626 00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:42,559 But he was very timely. He's a kind he doesn't scay very well, 627 00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,199 but he shows up in the right spots and puts the puck in the 628 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,480 net. He's very he has good vision, good hockey I Q. He 629 00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:52,440 sees the play, he knows how to open things up and create seems a 630 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:57,239 good passer, he can finish. He kind of reminds me a little bit 631 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,360 of Jason Robertson without that killer shot that Robinson has, just like in terms 632 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,840 of doesn't skate very well but just has a nose for the net and can 633 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,199 get there. And that part reminds me a little bit a pro. I 634 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,000 think this is a steal at twenty three. I think when we look back 635 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,119 at this, we're gonna say, holy cow, how did gay pro go 636 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,559 twenty third? If everyone for god, Jason Robertson was the second round pick 637 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,719 and it was because of the mobility in the skating and it's the same thing 638 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,159 here in terms of that. His bash is also average in terms of he 639 00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:29,320 doesn't really hit or block very much, but he has pretty decent shots. 640 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,480 He still has a really high offensive upside. It's just that Gay pro is 641 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:38,360 going to need two things, development and someone really strong to play with. 642 00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:42,599 And I think, and you heard this with some of the people I talked 643 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,960 to at the draft, is that I think New York is a very difficult 644 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,519 place for him. I think the Rangers have had a tough time developing prospects 645 00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,920 and he needs There's some prospects that don't need much. They're just so talented 646 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,360 they're going to make it. And I think those are the guys that have 647 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,480 made it in New York. They've made it in spite of the system, 648 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,559 not because of their system. And Pro really needs a lot of help, 649 00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:07,960 and it worries me that he's in the Ranger's system because he needs a lot 650 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,880 of help. His defensive game is horrific. If you look at Mitch Brown's 651 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,960 tracking data, he was one of the worst forwards in the data set that 652 00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:23,679 he tracked of the US USHL and ncuble A just awful. But his offensive 653 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,320 metrics are incredible, not the transition ones, but the expected goals and expected 654 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,559 primary assists. So he's really good there and on the power play. He's 655 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,800 incredible. So all the offensive metrics that you would want in terms of scoring, 656 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,960 this we want fantasy. It's good. He needs to be able to 657 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:44,239 be average defensively, and he needs to have what he had at the program, 658 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,360 someone like Will Smith and Leonards, someone who can drive play, someone 659 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,239 who can help create, someone who can be a goal scoring threat, and 660 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,440 not just if he's the only one on that line. If pro is the 661 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:57,440 only one on a scoring line, I think it's trouble. I think that 662 00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,239 I'm not sure he can carry the line on all on his own, and 663 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,079 so that'll be interesting to see. His equivalence is incredible, though, when 664 00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:08,280 you look at hockey prospecting, he's got fifty three percent chance of being a 665 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,280 star, sixty six pound scent chance of being an NHL. So a lot 666 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,440 of really amazing comparables like Pavlo, Bret Yarmor, Yager. He's got some 667 00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:22,360 more modest ones like Yuri Hudler and Sam Ganger, and he might be a 668 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,079 little bit more like that. The other thing that you really have to be 669 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,360 concerned about is that all of these guys, all of this top line, 670 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,800 had a very modest D minus one and then a massive draft season, and 671 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,360 oftentimes when you see that, you have to wonder is this just a product 672 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,800 of the environment or did they really take a massive step forward in their draft 673 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,719 here? And I think that it might be a little bit of both. 674 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,840 And I think that this year was certainly inflated just based on the situation that 675 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,280 they were in. So at any rate, Gay part is still a really 676 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,719 exciting asset, and he should not go in the twenties and your fantasy draft, 677 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,400 he should definitely go, probably top ten, I would say, unless 678 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,800 you're trying to get a few defensemen in there, unless you like some of 679 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:08,440 these other guys a little bit better better, But definitely I would be interested 680 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,440 in pro and bet against the Crangers development program. What about you, Jesse, 681 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,880 the shallow drafter in your league. Let's I'm trying to decide what a 682 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,880 rube in your league would do with this guy, because simultaneously he was drafted 683 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:29,599 late in the first round, but he absolutely put up video game numbers for 684 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,679 the national development team. He was the leading scorer for the team, not 685 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:37,239 Will Smith. And at some point it's like, how do I just believe 686 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,800 that? I guess that's why you have them up at nine, even with 687 00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:45,719 the scouting based and the advanced stats based reasons to doubt his performance. I 688 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,719 guess the one advantage he's going to have coming into New York relative to some 689 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,199 of the guys who've struggled there, is he's coming in with a little bit 690 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,280 more air cover. Lafrenier and Coco were coming in as the saviors of the 691 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,079 franchise, and especially when New York was down, they were top two picks. 692 00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:07,599 He's coming in as a late first round guy, maybe can fly under 693 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,079 the radar, and they've got a lot of stars on the pro roster right 694 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,559 now, so he shouldn't be expected to contribute right away. Hopefully they let 695 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:17,719 him simmer. Hopefully he shows that production was not an accident, because he's 696 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,519 going to a great college situation next year in Boston College, so we'll have 697 00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:27,480 to see. I've got a lot of I think you've got him ranked right, 698 00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:30,639 Victor, And actually, when you look at your top ten, this 699 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:36,960 is the guy who has ranked more spots above his draft position than anybody else 700 00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,880 in your top ten. He's actually fourteen spots higher in your fantasy rankings than 701 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,320 he was in the draft. Gay Perrow legit. I think I would love 702 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,280 to have him on my fantasy team. But last we did get a second 703 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:58,480 We did get a second defenseman in this whole situation, Victor Axel Sandem Pelica. 704 00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:02,880 And it is another Swedish defenseman going to Detroit, because that's what happens 705 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,519 with Steve Eiserman. Once he got done with taking his Nate Danielson, who's 706 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,159 going to come up on almost every episode. I think of our post draft 707 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,280 coverages, what the heck was that all about? They then he took Axel 708 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,800 Saint Dan Pelica, who was one of the top defenseman here. And Victor, 709 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,559 why is this your second defenseman on the board, and somebody who you're 710 00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:30,239 ranking as tenth higher than his draft slot of seventeenth. Yeah, he's a 711 00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:32,000 really exciting pick, and I think, yeah, it's interesting with Detroit. 712 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,280 If you tell me that he's coming away with the Troy's coming away with day 713 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,320 Danielson and Naxcine sending Pelica, you're pretty happy. I think we would just 714 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,760 switch the orders. I think Peter and I talked about that. It just 715 00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:50,039 seemed a little strange that they went Danielson so high. But at any rate, 716 00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,599 you shouldn't be dissuaded by the fact that he went seventeenth. I think 717 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:58,199 that most people would say he's the best offensive defenseman in the draft. I 718 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:04,360 think he's the best combination of offensive defenseman and all around, because there's some 719 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,719 other guys that might have more offensive upside but have massive defensive deficiencies, like 720 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:16,119 Dragasevic or Guyayev, who have along farther to go asp as we often like 721 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:22,039 to call him because it's just easier. He played some SHL games along with 722 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,840 J twenty national games and so twenty two SHL games. He didn't score a 723 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,599 ton, but I think that gives him a big feather in his cap that 724 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,400 he was able to play professional hockey this year. And he looked really good 725 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,159 at the international tournaments as well, especially the U twenty where he actually took 726 00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:44,039 over and ran the power play. That was pretty impressive, especially being so 727 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,000 young for his age group. He was still seventeen at the time and he 728 00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:51,880 was playing against guys two years older than him. That was impressive. And 729 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,960 then at the UA Teens he also looked pretty good, although Tom Villander took 730 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,519 a lot of his spotlight at that tournament, but anyways, they both looked 731 00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,280 pretty good. He is a little bit undersized, though, five to eleven, 732 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,840 which makes me a little bit worried, just because a couple of these 733 00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:13,400 recent Swedish undersized defensemen have really struggled to translate their game to the NHL. 734 00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,559 See Neil's Lundquist and Victor Soderstroum, who look like they'll be NHLers, but 735 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,079 certainly not the upside that we thought they might be in their draft season. 736 00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:25,679 So that makes me a little worried. Daber has his comp as Noah Dobson, 737 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,840 who I think is reasonable, but it's also a bit bigger, and 738 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,880 I think he also have to remember how long it took Dobson to become relevant, 739 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,000 so there's a bit of a concern there. The one thing. The 740 00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:45,079 other thing I'll say about Asp is that he and Ryan Leonard are the only 741 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,320 two that I tracked over one hundred and fifty players in this draft who have 742 00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,440 elite Bash. It was a bit surprising. Ryan Leonard made sense. I 743 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,000 figured that would be the case. He's kind of feisty, he hits a 744 00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:59,159 lot, he shoots a lot, he's a good all around forward. But 745 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,920 Asp having elite Bash definitely surprised me that maybe you move him up your board 746 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,559 a little bit, just because he has that really high floor, and I 747 00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:10,800 think his upside is also reasonably high. So I just worry a little bit 748 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:17,559 about ASP's defensive game. He is pretty close to average defensively, but he's 749 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:21,519 going to have to get all the way to NHL average or he won't get 750 00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,519 enough five on five playing time. You might be looking at a third pairing 751 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,119 top power play or third pairing second power play time, and then it's not 752 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,119 that exciting right in that situation. That's why I would prefer someone like Simaschev 753 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:37,599 who has a potential to be a top pairing on a team, maybe on 754 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:39,920 a weaker team, but he could still be a two or three number two 755 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,719 or three defenseman. Get twenty two plus minutes a night, get tons of 756 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,039 bash and some decent amount of points, even if he's not running a power 757 00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:51,760 play. Whereas ASP, maybe he gets second power play time, maybe he 758 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,679 doesn't command the top power play, and then he's playing third pairing minutes and 759 00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:00,039 it's not that exciting. So that concerns me a little bit. Have Lassie 760 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:06,559 Ellenin's tracking data from along with Mitch Browns, and his defensive game is pretty 761 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:08,920 bad. He's got a lot of Basically, it's the only red in his 762 00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:13,760 entire tracking set. The rest of his game, the transition game, the 763 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,320 passing, the skating, the expected goals are really high, the power play 764 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,679 game score, all of that is really good except for the defensive game, 765 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,519 so that it really needs to come a long way. Yeah, and because 766 00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:30,039 he didn't score so much in the SHL, his equivalence he's a little bit 767 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,639 lower. It's only nine percent, so he has a pretty decent floor. 768 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,920 Actually when you compare him, I just did this for fun to Niel's Lundquist 769 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,360 and Soderstroum. He actually looks right now a little bit more favorable. But 770 00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:47,800 those other two also really improved a lot in their D plus one in two 771 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,800 seasons, and so we'll have to see if Pelica can do that as well. 772 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,000 So the question we all need to know that the answer to the question, 773 00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,559 Jesse is are you down with asp? Yeah? You know me, 774 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,639 Victor, I would be fine getting him in this draft. If you made 775 00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:13,519 the point, I would reiterate if you asked me to take an offensive, 776 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,920 potential offensive defenseman like this and say, what is the worst position you could 777 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:23,239 put him in terms of the thirty two NHL clubs for both a banging offense 778 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:30,400 and opportunity to be the lead dude able to score powerplay points on that offense. 779 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:35,800 Detroit would probably be in my bottom five for where to send a defenseman 780 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:44,440 at this point, so that's very unfortunate. There's a weapon, you, 781 00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:58,480 Victor. It's time to move to some guys who will way down on the 782 00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:04,280 boards and yet way higher on fantasy guys to move up your draft board great 783 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,079 fantasy production versus their draft position. And the first one, Victor, you're 784 00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:14,440 singing my music because you're telling me there's a Washington capital in Andrew Krystal who 785 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:17,480 went fortieth and is going to be a great fantasy pick. Tell me about 786 00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:25,480 Andrew. Andrew is a very exciting offensive producer and he already signed his ELC. 787 00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:30,519 I think Washington knows what they have in him. He was number twelve 788 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:34,320 on my rank, twelve on my rank, went fortieth to Washington. You 789 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,039 gotta love that. His production was pretty insane, almost two points per game 790 00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:43,559 for the Colonna Rockets, ninety five points in fifty four games. And I 791 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:49,760 believe he was injured and didn't play all of the Memorial Cup games, and 792 00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,880 that would have made a big difference. I think for Colonna because he was 793 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,360 a huge part of what they could do. And he's a little under size 794 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,880 of five ten one sixty five and really not a great scale, so that's 795 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,679 really the big rub against him why he fell so far. But when you 796 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,320 look at just like what he can do with the puck, he's like literally 797 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:13,920 up there with Badard and those guys, and not the shot. He doesn't 798 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,480 have the shot, but he has the offensive creativity and the ability to absolutely 799 00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:22,000 murder you on the power play. You have to be a little worried that 800 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:28,599 he progresses in all the right ways and he's basically completely disinterested when the puck 801 00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:31,559 isn't on his stick, and that's the biggest issue is away from the puck, 802 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,920 how does he play. His defense rates out in the WHL mind you 803 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:39,360 as pretty bad forty eight percentile, so he's below the mean a little bit, 804 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,039 and his expected goals numbers are actually pretty bad, and his shots are 805 00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:47,039 pretty bad, but his primary assist rate is nearly the best in the data 806 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,519 set that MITS tracked, and the rest of his transition game is actually pretty 807 00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:53,079 good. Even though he's not a great skater, he actually helps transition the 808 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:59,519 puck really well. So you're getting a great offensive producer. In fact ep 809 00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:04,320 rinks, it says shades of Jonathan Huberdoe and Mattias Mitchelli, and I think 810 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,280 that's pretty apt because both those guys don't shoot, but they're both really good 811 00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:14,239 creative players. Neither one of them are super fast. Huberdo definitely actually both 812 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,280 these guys quite a bit bigger, so they can help protect the puck a 813 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:22,840 little bit better, but they are good possession, creative players that don't necessarily 814 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,639 shoot a lot. And I think that's what you hope Christal can be. 815 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,119 He's the guy that on the power play, you just get the puck to 816 00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:31,840 him on the half wall and he runs everything, and he can carve out 817 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,559 a role for him in the NHL just doing that. But you hope that 818 00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,320 the rest of his game comes along and he's at least can pretend like he's 819 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,079 interested in playing defense and didn't get close to NHL average, then he can 820 00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:46,840 command a lot more ice time. His equivalency is insane, sixty percent chance 821 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,880 of being a star sixty six were chance chancing being an NHLer. So these 822 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,480 are like his comps are all amazing. Leon dry Sidel is one for another 823 00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:01,480 WHL guy who also didn't scate very well, but I think dry Siddle had 824 00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:07,840 far fewer flaws in his game at that level. There's also Mike Robero, 825 00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:12,880 I think is a reasonable comp in terms of the style of play, so 826 00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:17,199 he's your boom bust classic. As an NHLGM, you're definitely a little terrified 827 00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:21,480 that you're wasting a first round pick on this guy. But as a fantasy 828 00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:25,239 GM, I wouldn't begrudge someone for taking Andrew Crystall in the first round. 829 00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:32,119 I think you're very excited about the possibility with Crystal and you don't care if 830 00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:38,079 he doesn't do anything for height and it was and it was not Crystall Anyways, 831 00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:44,039 I think I'm really excited with what Washington did. I think they went 832 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,639 a little bit. They went for these high upside guys, and I think 833 00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:52,280 in the past they've gone a little bit safer. Who's close to NHL ready, 834 00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:54,119 like we want someone to play with Obie next year kind of thing, 835 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,440 and that's been tricky that hasn't quite worked out the way they would have liked, 836 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,639 although Frushenko looks like he's on track and it's worked out okay. But 837 00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:06,960 I think with this jaff they swung for the fences a little bit more. 838 00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:12,840 And I really like that because Kristall is going to be a top of the 839 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,599 lineup kind of player, or he's not really going to play. And that's 840 00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:19,760 pretty exciting also for fantasy obviously, because you want those really high upside guys. 841 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,880 And Andrew Kristal is for sure that. So you I like what you're 842 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:28,199 watching. Capitals did Ryan Leonard Andrew Kristal. They also got Cameron Allen in 843 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,440 the fifth round, who coming into this year, people were talking about Cam 844 00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,800 Allen as one of the top d in this draft, and he didn't have 845 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,760 a great season, struggled quite a bit and fell to the fifth round where 846 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,800 the Caps got him. So you're loving that all day if he regained some 847 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,519 of his forms. So really what the Caps did and you should be excited, 848 00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:49,079 Jesse, Yeah, you're excited about Christal. I am and Victor. 849 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,360 Another guy would lump into that group would be Henrik s Lapierre. Remember he 850 00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:57,320 was a guy who the reason he slipped was because of the help issues and 851 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,119 the talent seemed to be above that. So like Roshanshenko too, Victor, 852 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,159 I think we should have an annual award. I think we should call it 853 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,639 the Arthur cally of Award of a guy who we see is going to be 854 01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:15,920 great in fantasy but slips to the second round because of attitude or last minute 855 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:21,159 production or perceived bad defense. Atu Ratu could probably fit into that category. 856 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,639 There's a number of guys, and it sounds like maybe Andrew Krystal is the 857 01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:29,920 newest inductee into the Arthur cally of Award. We'll have to think about that 858 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,320 later. Next that's a better I would have thought of Joshua saying, but 859 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,840 they didn't buy kids. That's kind of the other end of the spectrum. 860 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,519 Be more optimistic, Victor. Yeah, yeah, So next we're going to 861 01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,199 go to the Minnesota Wild and get in. Just at the end of that 862 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:52,840 second round. Riley Height is your next guy, Victor. Tell us about 863 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:58,039 Riley Height and why he is going to reach great heights in the fantasy world. 864 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,400 Oh man, you beat me to the pun. I love it. 865 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,159 Yeah, Riley reach great heights is and it's h E I d T if 866 01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:07,400 you're scoring at home. But he went sixty four. Yeah, we were 867 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,639 at the draft. We were all of course sitting here counting on our fingers, 868 01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:14,159 like when are these guys gonna go. That we really like because you 869 01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:19,199 know that the nhlgms are gonna slip in some second third rounders that are high 870 01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:22,079 floor kind of guys gonna play in the league. They're big, they skate 871 01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,119 well, they don't have a ton of offense. But and then the goalies, 872 01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:27,960 of course. So Hyde was the one that we were all like, 873 01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:30,960 oh my god, when is this guy gonna go? And he thought he'd 874 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,519 be at worst an early second rounder, and he almost became a third rounder. 875 01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,960 It was crazy, but yeah, I had him thirteenth, right behind 876 01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:42,519 Christall. His bash is also excellent. He's a very feisty dude. He's 877 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,840 not huge, he's five to eleven, one eighty, but he plays really 878 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,360 feisty. He hits a lot, he gets into scrums, he pisses you 879 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,320 off. We're not allowed to say he's like a Kachuk apparently, but he 880 01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:58,519 has a little bit of that feistiness in him. So you like that. 881 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:05,039 You like that. And he had a ton of points for Prince George, 882 01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,320 ninety seven points and sixty eight games, and they weren't the best team, 883 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,639 and so that really helped. If you look at the EP ringside guide, 884 01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:15,760 which I love he's one of they're one of the guys. He's one of 885 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,920 the guys that they label a legit triple threat to Deek pass and score, 886 01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:24,400 and you love that. Guys who can have multiple ways to beat you. 887 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,960 A lot of the guys that are drafted earlier can do one thing really well. 888 01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:32,920 They can shoot really well, like Colby Barlow, they can skate really 889 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,159 well all over more, or they're extremely creative with their passing. There's a 890 01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:42,719 lot of different tools that everyone can have, and Riley Height is one of 891 01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:45,719 these few guys that can do everything really well at a high level. You 892 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,880 can see him excelling at all of these things in the NHL. I guess 893 01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:52,840 why did he fall is the biggest question, and I think part of it 894 01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:57,400 is that there's a little bit of concern that maybe all of these ways that 895 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,960 he scores isn't going to translate to the NHL. He's a little bit of 896 01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:05,239 a defensive liability. If you look at Mitch Brown's tracking data, his defense 897 01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:10,880 is pretty bad twenty fifth percentile. The interesting his shots are also really low. 898 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,880 Another way, these guys who tends to hang onto the puck a little 899 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,400 bit, but when he does shoot, you're like WHOA do that more often? 900 01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:22,119 His expected primary sister really high, and but his transition play is also 901 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:27,679 not so good. So he's one of these guys that if you have rarely 902 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,800 hide on your team, what he likes to do is get in the zone 903 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,880 and just set up offense. So like on the powerplay, insane production. 904 01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:40,840 In fact, of all WHO players that Mitch Brown tracked, he had the 905 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:46,280 highest points percentage on the power play. So he was someone who thrived with 906 01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:51,480 excess time and space. And the concern, I guess is partly that in 907 01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:54,000 the NHL you have less time and space and so as things get cramped down, 908 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,320 maybe he doesn't do as much, isn't Maybe he isn't is exciting, 909 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,960 Maybe he struggles a little bit. So that's the concern with height. But 910 01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:04,719 as a fantasy asset, you're like, no problem, I'll take him, 911 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:09,800 and you know he's got really high upside. You also have to like the 912 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,119 Minnesota took him. Minnesota has had amazing drafts, and yes they have a 913 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,480 talented pool. I think I was talking to Peter about him and he was 914 01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:20,840 saying that he's concerned that they have some really good centers or maybe this was 915 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:26,639 another one of my cogms. I think we were considering taking Hight versus Guliayev 916 01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:28,880 in one of my drafts, actually that I remember now. Bret and I 917 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,559 were talking about this, and the concern is that or he had a concern 918 01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:36,559 that Riley Hight Goods going to Minnesota and they have good centers. But I 919 01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:40,039 don't think Riley Heights a center. I think he's going to be a wing. 920 01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:43,039 He's a very He's one of these playmaking wingers, maybe a little bit 921 01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:45,320 like Taylor Hall, but not as good as a skater. And I don't 922 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,880 worry about him being a center. I worry about him being able to do 923 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,559 all the other things, the skating, the defense, the even strength production. 924 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,679 But those are all things that he can work on. Those are all 925 01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,280 very legitimate things that can be coach, that can be practiced. I think 926 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,960 that he's certainly smart enough to work in decreased time and space. He's just 927 01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:09,880 comfortable on the power play. He's comfortable with exer stimes and who isn't right, 928 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,199 But not very many people can dismantle a defense like Riley Hyde with extra 929 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,639 time and space. So you like him. You look at comp's forty percent 930 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:23,719 chance of being a star. Of course, there's some really high upside guys 931 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,239 that you look at. There's a lot of guys who didn't quite make it, 932 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,400 but of course there's like the Alex Tangey and Bradon Point. Of course 933 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,840 everyone has to bring up Bradin Point whenever there's a WHL guy who's a little 934 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:38,039 undersized who did really well. And I don't think he'll be Braton Point, 935 01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:44,000 but he has some really high upside and you should definitely take him before sixty 936 01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:46,800 fourth overall, I think he's probably I would say Jesse, he's probably the 937 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,760 biggest riser in terms of where he got drafted in the NHL and where he's 938 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,119 draft where he's ranked on my list, because sixty fourth overall in the NHL 939 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,800 thirteenth on my list. I don't know if I tracked all of this, 940 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,320 but that seems like the biggest gap to me. What do you think about 941 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:05,119 Hypen? I love what I'm here in Victor, and I agree Minnesota is 942 01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:09,239 a good context to go in. I think there's a good culture there, 943 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,800 and if he's got to work on his defense, I think there are some 944 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,880 guys there who might be able to help mold that. And they slow roll 945 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,000 their prospects a little bit. In Minnesota. It feels like they're not in 946 01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:23,039 a big hurry to get them up to the NHL. So if there is 947 01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:28,639 development to be done, I trust Minnesota to do it as well as many 948 01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:33,239 other teams would be trusted to do it. You said you were debating between 949 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:40,440 him and Mikhail Gouldgayev, who went in the first round a whole round earlier 950 01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:45,079 to the Colorado Avalanche, and it must be that you like him quite a 951 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:49,760 bit. So tell me about Michil Guyayev and why he also slipped even at 952 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:55,920 thirty one. I didn't even plan that. I just was remembering that Brett 953 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,719 and I had this decision and discussion in our draft. But you're right, 954 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:03,199 he is the next guy on the So yeah, he's definitely one of the 955 01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:09,719 most creative offensive defenceman in the class. He's an awesome skater, and Guliyev, 956 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,519 unlike we were talking a little bit about Asp earlier, it was a 957 01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:17,360 little bit undersized. It was an awesome skater and a bit undersized. Whereas 958 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:24,639 ASP is a decent skater. Tom Vilander, his Swedish compadre there, he's 959 01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:28,400 a much better skater. So ASP has a little bit of the skating. 960 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,440 It's not really a concern. It's just not amazing for an undersized guy. 961 01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:38,360 So you love that. But the thing about Guliyev is that he tries things 962 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,360 that he shouldn't try, a little bit like Will Smith, I guess to 963 01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,719 some extent, but when you're a defenseman, it can look way worse, 964 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,400 right because you don't have a whole two three guys behind you when you try 965 01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:51,880 really creative plays. But in the MHL, you can do that because you're 966 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,079 generally better than everyone and the game's usually pretty wide open and there's lots of 967 01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:00,280 space. So he would do that, and he tried all kinds of crazy 968 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,440 things and some of them worked, and he's such a good skater they can 969 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,960 just blow by people. And in the KHL he definitely struggled quite a bit 970 01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:09,679 more and he didn't score very much. He played thirteen games and had one 971 01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:13,599 assists. You compare that to the eighteen games that Simischev played and had zero 972 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,399 assists. What's the real difference there. Maybe he looked into an assist in 973 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:24,880 the KHL. But I think people like Gliaya's offensive instincts. He really can 974 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,119 run a power play. He's got a great skater. He's dynamic with his 975 01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:31,439 skill. I just worry that some of that offense doesn't translate to the NHL 976 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,760 because you can't do some of those things at the highest level. But he'll 977 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,399 figure a lot of that out playing in the KHL. He's a bit raw, 978 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,000 He's going to take a while. And it's not that he's like so 979 01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,359 bad defensively, he's just a little bit more reactive, Whereas when he has 980 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,760 a puck on his stick, he's dictating play, and when he doesn't have 981 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,039 the puck on his stick, he's just more reacting. Instead of forcing, 982 01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:57,199 you know, taking off lanes and forcing forwards to do what he wants. 983 01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,159 He doesn't quite do that. So he's someone that I still think is worth 984 01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:04,000 a flyer. Sixteen is where I had him. I think depends on how 985 01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:08,039 you value D. He's gonna be a weight though he's gonna all of these 986 01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:11,119 guys, a lot of these forwards in D they're going to be three four 987 01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:14,680 years and so it probably doesn't make that much of a difference. But if 988 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,520 you look at Mitch Brown's data set, you probably pull your hair out and 989 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,279 wonder, like how he has an eighty three percent chance of being a star. 990 01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:25,560 And that's based on his MHL performance, which I guess I didn't talk 991 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,800 about, but he was over a point per game in the MHL. He 992 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,000 split between two teams and oh no, sorry, he was just with Omski 993 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,640 and he had over a point per game in twenty two games and a little 994 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,840 bit under in the playoffs. So yeah, he looked great in the MHL. 995 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,880 But we've talked a lot about how that league is highly variable, so 996 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,199 I'm a little skeptical of that his one he has three cops on Hockey Prospecting 997 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:49,039 at eighty three percent chance of being a star. Scott need a buyer. 998 01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:56,600 Michael Dell's Auto and Ryan Merkley talk about three of the most wildly different guys 999 01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,199 you could possibly be related to. Nanemeyer, amazing skater, hall of famer, 1000 01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:08,119 like just incredible all around. Michael Dell's Auto Okay, like average NHLer 1001 01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:12,960 had some fantasy relevant Marian Murkley probably won't even be an NHLer. So it's 1002 01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:15,840 it's a bit weird, and I think that there it does represent a little 1003 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,760 bit not quite. I don't think his ceiling is quite Niedemeyer, but the 1004 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,479 volatility in Kuyayev. He has a high ceiling. He also has a nothing 1005 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,479 floor. He's a guy who might never really play in the NHL to a 1006 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,520 significant amount, and so that's the risk. There's a lot more risk with 1007 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,159 Kuyayev, and so that's something to keep in mind. You gotta gauge that 1008 01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:39,640 risk a little bit. Give the guys at Hockey Prospecting some credit. They 1009 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,159 picked their model, came out with three very different guys, and none of 1010 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,560 them Russian. So you can't say that it's just they grabbed MHL comparisons because 1011 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,920 they don't know what to do with MHL guys. Very good, Okay, 1012 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:56,479 Mikael Guyayev is one will keep in mind there are some guys who are going 1013 01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,800 to come up on multiple episodes, and I can mysteriously see into the future 1014 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,359 and tell you that the next one, Cohen Ziemer, is one of those 1015 01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:09,439 guys who's going to come up yet again in a future episode with a certain 1016 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:15,960 person who has certain insights into a certain hockey league in the certain western part 1017 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,960 of Canada. All right, I'm going too far. The seventy eighth overall 1018 01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:23,680 pick in this draft by the Los Angeles Kings, the first pick that the 1019 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,239 King's made in the draft. Cohen Ziemer, why is this guy high in 1020 01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:31,880 your radar? Victor? He's exciting offensively and by the way, I don't 1021 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,079 think we need to be koy about the fact we talked to Joel Henderson, 1022 01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:40,359 because we already did, so that's true. It's in the cans in the 1023 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,520 can as they say, it'll be out in a couple of days. We 1024 01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,399 talked to Until's great and try not to let him influence what we say too 1025 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,920 much. But it's hard not to because he's a smart guy and I trust 1026 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:55,159 what he says. But yeah, Cohen Ziemer, he was eighteenth on my 1027 01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:59,880 list. He I think a lot of people were worried that Cohen Ziemer played 1028 01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:04,439 for Prince George. He was just writing, writing the Heights of Riley Height, 1029 01:12:05,119 --> 01:12:12,600 riding the coattails. I guess maybe you could say he's got good offensive 1030 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,720 instincts, does Ziemer? He's maybe just not the primary driver, and his 1031 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,720 skating is poor. I know the Kings have been able to work with some 1032 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:26,920 guys like that. You just mentioned the Kalievs of the world, so I 1033 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,039 think if they can fix that, they easily have a first round talent on 1034 01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:33,079 their hands and they've done this before I mentioned, so I think it was 1035 01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:36,840 a really smart pick. The Kings know what they're doing. They've drafted extremely 1036 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:45,079 well, and he's got really high expected goals and shots. His primary sists 1037 01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:46,880 were a little bit lower. And it's interesting when you look at Cohen Ziemer's 1038 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,039 tracking data, it's a lot, it's highly variable. There's some good stuff 1039 01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:55,079 and transition, some bad stuff and transitions, some good parts of his defense 1040 01:12:55,159 --> 01:12:58,800 and bad parts of his defense. It's just up and down, which kind 1041 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,560 of helps, I think, explain he went all the way down at seventy 1042 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:08,000 eighth. There wasn't a lot of confidence in his projection forty percent chance of 1043 01:13:08,039 --> 01:13:12,159 being a star. He's got, of course comps like Brandon Point Connors, 1044 01:13:12,279 --> 01:13:15,359 Arry Dawson, Dawson Mercer, but I think a WHL comp that is pretty 1045 01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,119 reasonable, as Dylan Cousins, who had a lot to work out in his 1046 01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:23,000 game before he could translate to the NHL, and he finally was breaking out 1047 01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:26,439 this year, even though he was drafted back in twenty nineteen, so it 1048 01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:31,439 took four years and he finally figured it out. So I think maybe that 1049 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,600 kind of upside where I think there's still more to come for Cousins, and 1050 01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:40,279 that's pretty exciting. Yeah, I think, and LA did some interesting stuff. 1051 01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:45,000 Jacob Dvorak. Dvorak was their first pick, and then they took a 1052 01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:47,239 goalie who I don't know anything about. And then they took Matthew Mania in 1053 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:54,600 one fifty, who's a really exciting later pick who really exemplifies his name as 1054 01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,560 a manic player. But I like what LA did. Coinzimer high upside, 1055 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,520 Mania high upside. And then they got a couple of floor guys, so 1056 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,159 yeah, love it, Victor. The next couple of guys. I've never 1057 01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:09,359 brought this up, and I don't know if it's a sensitive subject. I 1058 01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:11,520 don't know if we're going to leave this on the cutting room floor, Victor. 1059 01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,880 But I saw some pictures of you with other people at the draft, 1060 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,840 and I'm starting to think, Victor, that you might not be the tallest 1061 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,600 guy in the world. But there's some people who aren't the tallest who are 1062 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,960 very good at hockey. We need to talk about some of them, the 1063 01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:29,720 first being Gavin Brindley. Columbus Bluejackets had themselves a very nice draft, and 1064 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,720 you got to tell us why. Gavin Brindley, first of all, ballpark 1065 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:39,239 taller or shorter than you, and why he's a very good hockey player. 1066 01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:44,479 Yeavin Brindley is five nine and he is taller than me. Yes, I 1067 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,479 am not tall, that's for sure. I love my short kings. Maybe 1068 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:53,479 that's why I maybe mention it, but no, we mentioned it because it 1069 01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:58,960 matters, and understand HL GMS. It matters because size matters in the NHL, 1070 01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:02,760 and he's foot nine and that's going to be an issue for Gavin Brinley, 1071 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,000 even though he's awesome and I love him and he's exciting. And more 1072 01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:12,279 importantly, Adam Vantilly loves Gavin Brindley and their best buds they played at Michigan 1073 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:18,680 and awesome that Columbus used their first second round pick to select Gavin Brinley so 1074 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,800 that the buds could stay together. I just love that story. I think 1075 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:27,600 it's fantastic. It's gonna be fun watching them developed together. Thirty fourth overall, 1076 01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:30,680 and I think one really important staff for Gavin Brindley is that he was 1077 01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:35,039 second in time on ice only to Fantilly at Michigan, meaning that he was 1078 01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:41,119 put out there in every situation and that's exciting. I gave him the twenty 1079 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:44,199 first overall rank just mainly because of his size. His funny. I was 1080 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,039 talking to JD. Burke and we were cushing over how much we love Gavin 1081 01:15:46,079 --> 01:15:50,840 Brinley, and he said he wanted to rank him fifteenth overall, but the 1082 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,840 rest of the guys at EP pushed him back quite a bit. But he's 1083 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,479 a wrecking ball out there. He was nearly a point per game as a 1084 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,960 freshman, which is we're shadowed by what Adam Fantilly did. But he's awesome. 1085 01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:06,119 That's a tough league with big dudes, and he showed he can do 1086 01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:09,640 it, so that gives you a little bit more faith that maybe he can 1087 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,319 do it at higher levels. I just really hope Gavin Brinley grows an inch 1088 01:16:13,399 --> 01:16:15,960 or two because I'll just make it so much easier for him. But his 1089 01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:18,760 tracking data is almost all blue, like his transition game, his defense is 1090 01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:25,119 a lot of his miscellaneous metrics. In terms of like other short kings, 1091 01:16:25,399 --> 01:16:28,920 he actually looks a lot like Tyler Ennis, which I think is a pretty 1092 01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:34,560 good comp Tyler Ennis also a five foot nine and had a reasonable fantasy success. 1093 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:39,439 He was relevant here and there, but not temporary expectations. I guess 1094 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,840 is what I'm saying a little bit, so, Yeah, Gavin Brinley, 1095 01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:46,119 He's definitely someone that you probably want to take a flyer on, depending on 1096 01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:49,960 how big your league is. Late first, early second. Definitely in that 1097 01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:54,960 fifteen to twenty five range. I think you can do worse than him, 1098 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:59,520 and he's got some pretty good upside. And the second one we want to 1099 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,840 talk about in this category is a Carolina Hurricanes pick. We always love those 1100 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:09,239 late Carolina Hurricanes pick, and Jayden Puran is absolutely no exception. He's a 1101 01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:14,399 guy who really slipped according to where you saw him in the draft, picked 1102 01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:19,359 or forward for the Carolina Hurricanes. Tell us about Jadon Prawn plastic Carolina pick 1103 01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:24,760 getting massive value at ninety fourth overall. Yeah, he was definitely another one 1104 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,479 that as the draft went into the third round, we were like, Okay, 1105 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,840 when is Paran gonna go? Because we all are really excited about him. 1106 01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,279 He's not related to David Prawn and casea wondering and yeah, he felt 1107 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,000 as he kept following, I think we all just looked at ourselves and said, 1108 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,079 Okay, when does Carolina pick, Because they're gonna take Jaden Prawn. 1109 01:17:41,159 --> 01:17:45,279 We just knew it. I had him twenty third. He's incredibly skilled offensively, 1110 01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:49,840 he's very creative. He really can. He scored at a really high 1111 01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:55,920 clip in the USHL and he's just so small, he's five nine. Also, 1112 01:17:56,359 --> 01:17:59,840 I do love that he's going to North Dakota Gavin Bronley already in college. 1113 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,000 I think that bumps him up a little bit in my book. And 1114 01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:08,439 he's just he's someone who is has some pretty decent upside. His percent who 1115 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,840 is the star potential is fifteen percent and he actually looks a fair amount like 1116 01:18:13,359 --> 01:18:18,039 another shortish guy, Daniel Gushen, who if you're a keeping track of Gushen, 1117 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,760 he also was in the USAHL, played that one year in the OHL, 1118 01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:26,279 and then he's been the HL and he's struggled to translate it. He's 1119 01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:29,600 done pretty well, but he's still not sure if he's going to quite contribute 1120 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,600 at the NHL level. And I think that similar trajectory could be true for 1121 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,399 Jaden Prawn. So someone that I'd be interested in taking in the twenties as 1122 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:43,560 a flyer, as a decent upside guy, but also TEMPORARYR expectations because he's 1123 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,439 small and those guys tend to have a hard time translating so it depends on 1124 01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,399 also how he does in college. He also can see like guys like Carter 1125 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:54,119 Savoy who do really well in college and then they struggle to translate to the 1126 01:18:54,159 --> 01:19:00,479 pros, So that may be Jaden Pron's trajectory as well. We've given you 1127 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,000 a lot of good news. Now, unfortunately we have to violate the principle 1128 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,760 that if you don't have something nice to say about somebody, you don't say 1129 01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,399 anything at all, because we need to talk about some of the guys who 1130 01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,439 slipped in these last few minutes. The first guy, David Ryan Backer. 1131 01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,439 I think everybody's been talking about whether this pick was a reach fifth overall to 1132 01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:24,640 the Montreal Canadians, the top defenseman selected in this draft, Victor, Why 1133 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:30,760 is David Reinbacher a reach and reach for fantasy reach for real hockey? I 1134 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,319 don't know which you're thinking. Yeah, he definitely was a bit of a 1135 01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:39,680 reach, I think, especially because Montreal already has some pretty good defenseman or 1136 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,000 even Kerry Price. That was classic. He was flabberg acid. I was 1137 01:19:43,079 --> 01:19:46,520 saying Kerry Price figured Mitch Coof's first name was David. Why am I saying 1138 01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,239 David David? David who David oh, David, Ryanbacker. You guys took 1139 01:19:50,279 --> 01:19:54,000 a defenceman. That's dumb. But yeah, I know, Hey, he's 1140 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,640 a good player. He's going to be a player. He's gonna be like 1141 01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,760 a middle pairing guy, I think with decent ba and similar to what I 1142 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:06,840 said about Simashev, I just think that there's less offense to to grow with 1143 01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:12,199 Ryan Bacher, and so that's my concern. I asked a couple of people 1144 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,800 on the draft if he would command power play time on ice, and they 1145 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,399 just laughed at me, like, no, that's not who he is. 1146 01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:24,560 So that's a bit concerning, right, especially for someone you're taking that high, 1147 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,279 and as someone you want high in fantasy. So that's a bit of 1148 01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:30,760 the concern. And if you look at his comps on hockey prospecting, I 1149 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,880 have in Provarov is one that I think is very appropriate, good size, 1150 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:39,760 good mobility, decent all around, but does not command power play time and 1151 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,079 doesn't have as high of an offensive upside because of that, And so that's 1152 01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:46,720 what I think you're getting in Ryan Bacher. Next, let's be pushed once 1153 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:53,279 again in our faith in Stevey, because while Nate Danielson offers many great opportunities 1154 01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:56,600 for karate kid puns over the next few years. He doesn't seem to offer 1155 01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,800 quite as much fantasy value. Ninth overall, picked by de Froyd tell us 1156 01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,800 about Nate Danielson and why that may be a bit higher of a pick in 1157 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:09,520 the real draft than it should be in your fantasy draft. Variety kid. 1158 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,720 I love it. I love it. I also forgot to say that Ryanbacher 1159 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,399 was fifteenth on my list, So fifth to Montreal, fifteenth on my list. 1160 01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,479 Yeah, Nat Danielson, I had him a bit higher. He's one 1161 01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:24,880 of these super high floor guys. I think he has very projectable traits. 1162 01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,800 Also, fun story. I rode with him in an elevator on the way 1163 01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,359 to do any interviews, and I was like, whoa this guy is. 1164 01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,039 He's actually pretty tall, but he didn't seem that big in person. So 1165 01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:41,279 it's interesting. But a super nice kid. I think he's super projectable to 1166 01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,600 be a center in the NHL, and I think that's what Detroit wanted. 1167 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:45,960 We want a center. I think he's a middle sixth center. I don't 1168 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,640 think he's the top sixth center, and that's part of the concern. I 1169 01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:54,640 don't know how much offense there is. You also have to remember that Nate 1170 01:21:54,720 --> 01:22:00,600 Danielson is literally one of the oldest possible prospects can be eligible for this draft. 1171 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,279 He was just a few days away eligible from being last year's draft, 1172 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,359 and so you have to keep that in mind too. He's much more developed 1173 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,800 than a lot of these other guys, and so there just might be not 1174 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,960 as much runaway to grow and that's a bit of a concern, and a 1175 01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:18,600 lot of the guys I talked to in Nashville, I moved him down because 1176 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:24,520 they had a lot of concerns about just how much offenser is for Nate Danielson. 1177 01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:30,399 And so the projection in terms of hockey prospecting, the one I like 1178 01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,920 that seems to make the most sense as Matthew Perrow. And if you've been 1179 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:38,239 playing Fantasy long enough, you know that Matthew pro was someone who had intermittent 1180 01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:42,000 relevance and there's some times where he had a good deployment and he was good, 1181 01:22:42,359 --> 01:22:45,800 and then he was irrelevant at times. And that might be Nady Danielson's 1182 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:51,520 future. So the Karate Kid move him down your draft board. Guy who 1183 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:58,720 came up a lot in the draft episodes with interviews with Peter particularly Daniel Boot, 1184 01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:02,239 who's an extremely fun name to save victors. So don't harsh my buzz 1185 01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:06,680 on this guy. But people kept saying what I think. People kept as 1186 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,159 certain, Oh, yeah, this is a huge guy. He's gonna have 1187 01:23:10,279 --> 01:23:14,159 that huge guy game, and seem like all the scouts who talked about him 1188 01:23:14,279 --> 01:23:16,520 said, I don't know, that's not what to expect out of Daniel Boot. 1189 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:23,560 Tell us about Daniel there's just a lot of raw potential with the nail 1190 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,439 boot he has. He's huge, and he's got great hands. He's a 1191 01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,560 big dude, six five, two hundred, but he doesn't impose his will 1192 01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:35,479 physically. He doesn't lean into that asset, and I think Arizona is hoping 1193 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,039 that he can. That's why they took him so high. I had him 1194 01:23:39,119 --> 01:23:41,800 thirty fourth. But I can see a scenario where we look back at this 1195 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,239 and say, yeah, Daniel Boots the top fifteen player. It just all 1196 01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:47,319 has to go a ride for him. Jad Burke was convincing me a little 1197 01:23:47,319 --> 01:23:54,159 bit of extolling his virtues a bit. He's doesn't have the highest hockey prospecting 1198 01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,840 potential, but he does actually look a bit like Brady Kachuck. If you 1199 01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,520 remember Brady Kitchuck looked like not a star producer at all in his draft year, 1200 01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,039 and it was a bit surprising that he did what he did after that 1201 01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:10,000 because he stepped in the NHL and was like, bam, really good And 1202 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,520 no, Boot is not going to do that. He has a way to 1203 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,960 go developmentally. He still has to play a lot more KHL games and round 1204 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:24,279 out some of his two weigh abilities. But I think there's a scenario where 1205 01:24:24,279 --> 01:24:28,760 you can see Boot really becoming more of a power forward. I don't think 1206 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,680 he ever will be quite like Ko Chuck, but I think he could be 1207 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:36,399 more like that, and his close and tight skills maybe get closer until Seman 1208 01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:41,600 Holmes from type and that's what you're hoping for, hoping you can mold him 1209 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,520 into that. So a lot of potential upsides ifs ands and maybe's with the 1210 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:51,359 nil Boot, But there's potential there, all right, Victor. In one 1211 01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:58,119 last guy you wanted to bring up in this section of the episode, Charlie 1212 01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:03,800 Strammel, who is is a Minnesota wildling who actually came from the University of 1213 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:09,680 Wisconsin. Tell us about him and why he might be a guy who you 1214 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,760 don't want to take at number twenty one, like the NHL team stint. 1215 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,680 Yeah, he has a Minnesota guy. He played in high school there and 1216 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,640 then went to the USNTDP and then he was old enough to start college because 1217 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:24,039 he has one of the oldest guys in this draft. But he really struggled 1218 01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:28,920 at Wisconsin near you where you are there, and he didn't I think the 1219 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,880 Wisconsin program was in a bit of shambles. From what I've heard. There 1220 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,079 was a lot of difficulties with what was going on there, and I think 1221 01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:39,880 that was a big part of his struggles. I think he was getting mixed 1222 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,520 messages of what to do, how to play, and that was tough for 1223 01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,399 him, and so he didn't score a lot. He played on the U 1224 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,960 twenty World World Championship team, but he also didn't have the best role. 1225 01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:55,439 And I think if you just cut out this season, like if he were 1226 01:25:55,479 --> 01:26:00,880 injured, he would have gone top ten this year because of how well he 1227 01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,880 did last year and how excited people were for his production. So he fell 1228 01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:08,119 and I think that if you ignore a little bit of the struggles this year. 1229 01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:10,800 Yeah, he's a first rounder and there's a lot of potential there, 1230 01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:15,920 but also he could just be this bottom six banger, and that's what I 1231 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:17,800 think people are concerned about, and that's why I moved him down quite a 1232 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:23,039 bit on my rankings. So Charlie Stream will a bit of a risk. 1233 01:26:23,359 --> 01:26:27,000 I like the Minnesota took him, but I'm a little concerned that there isn't 1234 01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:29,880 a huge offensive upside there. But I'm willing to give him another year to 1235 01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,479 see if he can figure things out at Wisconsin. Yep. And there were 1236 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,680 a couple of goalies high up in this draft. Do you want to make 1237 01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:43,079 any conversation about these goalies victors before we wrap up? Yeah? I would 1238 01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:47,840 just say that the goalies I would not really worry too much about unless you 1239 01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,079 have picks in the thirty to sixty range of your a draft, Like I 1240 01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:54,880 know a couple of leagues that I'm in, we don't even really have draft 1241 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,159 picks beyond forty or so. In some leagues we do. And one of 1242 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:01,840 the drafts that are completed, there were goalies going in the second round, 1243 01:27:02,039 --> 01:27:08,039 like in picks sixteen to twenty two, and that's way too early for me. 1244 01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:11,840 I would definitely take these forwards. All of these goalies are going to 1245 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:15,760 be years, They're going to be five plus years, and so unless you 1246 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,800 have a really strong five year plan for your fantasy team, I would not 1247 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:23,159 consider any of these guys. I like guy On the best, and he 1248 01:27:23,279 --> 01:27:29,000 did go one of the first, and then Harrable, who I think has 1249 01:27:29,039 --> 01:27:33,119 a pretty good upside. He's huge, Arizona took him and he's got some 1250 01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:39,239 pretty high upside, probably the best prospect they have now. Guyane went to 1251 01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:42,039 Chicago, by the way, and so Chicago also they have Comesso, but 1252 01:27:42,079 --> 01:27:45,760 they could use some help. Augustine taking Detroit. He's actually my favorite goalie, 1253 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:47,920 Troy Augustine. He's a little bit smaller, but I think just his 1254 01:27:48,039 --> 01:27:54,399 competitiveness and how smart he is, and I trust the development program to produce 1255 01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:59,439 good goalies and I like Trey Augustine for that. Biarnisson has the height and 1256 01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:01,560 some of the pedigree. Philly took him though, and so I don't know 1257 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,800 what's happening with Carter Hart. I know there's the Team Canada investigation, so 1258 01:28:06,119 --> 01:28:09,520 I don't know. Maybe they know something already that we don't, and maybe 1259 01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:15,479 they're looking beyond heart. It's tough to say. Jacob Fowler going to Montreal 1260 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:20,800 is really interesting. He's someone who maybe doesn't have the highest equivalency, but 1261 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:27,680 I think he's really competitive and really smart, so I think he's someone who's 1262 01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,920 going to be pretty high up on their depth chart. They have. They 1263 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,520 have Kayden Premoll. I don't know what he's doing, and then they have 1264 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,880 Jacob Debash, who's also pretty exciting, so he's going to be a while. 1265 01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,119 And then they have this there's this Italian guy that went that. This 1266 01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:45,800 was surprising to me, Jesse. I had no idea. Damian Clara, 1267 01:28:46,039 --> 01:28:48,680 big guy, and I don't really know anything about him. But the Ducks 1268 01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:54,600 took him with a second round pick, which perks my interest because the Ducks 1269 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,520 know how to pick goalies and I'm excited about that. These are all goalies 1270 01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,319 that if you have enough picks, just take them with like your third rounder 1271 01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:03,119 or something. But I wouldn't take any of them too early because you can 1272 01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:10,520 just find some random European goalie that gets signed and just that's my strategy for 1273 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,479 goalies, so generally, don't worry about the ones that are drafted unless you 1274 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,800 have a scar off or whilst at or someone like that. Yeah, there's 1275 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,760 a lot more to talk about, but we don't really have time here. 1276 01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:26,600 You definitely should check out my rankings on Patreon if you're a member, and 1277 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,920 the show notes. There's a lot of notes, forty six pages worth the 1278 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,680 notes, so definitely check this out if you're a patron, and if you're 1279 01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:35,439 not, you should sign up Patreon dot com slash Fantasy Hockey Life and if 1280 01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,600 you're if you're not on there, then you know you're feel free to ask 1281 01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:44,039 about that. And we definitely look forward to doing a lot more draft content, 1282 01:29:44,199 --> 01:29:47,560 Jesse. Yes, indeed we do. And this was a great talk. 1283 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,159 Victor, you've got some heat to start us out. We'll be right 1284 01:29:51,199 --> 01:30:05,800 back to close out the show. Are you fired up for your rookie draft? 1285 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,920 I know I am, And you know where you can do the rookie 1286 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:14,560 drafts. The best place to do your rookie drafts fan Tracks. Yes I'm 1287 01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,960 biased because we're part of the fan Tracks podcast network, but I will tell 1288 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,720 you that all of our rookie drafts can be done on there. And the 1289 01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:27,159 reason is you can customize your minors eligibility and run a draft with the software 1290 01:30:27,319 --> 01:30:30,640 that just does rookies. You can move your links over to fantracks. You 1291 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,359 can ask them and they'll help you start new Ones, Start Dynasty ones, 1292 01:30:33,399 --> 01:30:38,119 Start Redrift ones, who cares whatever you want to do. They've got the 1293 01:30:38,199 --> 01:30:43,760 most options for scoring, salaries, contracts, and everything else. 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