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Victor Nuno Fantasy Hockey Live. The draft is over. I am back with
you. More importantly, back from the South, ready to get himself back
into that California's son, from that Nashville son. It's Victor Nuno. How
are you doing, Victor, I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Yeah, it's
good to be back. It was a fantastic time and we did a lot
of collecting of different audios and you did a masterful job of editing and putting
it all together. So thank you for that. But how are you doing.
Hey, I'm great, I'm great. It was a work of love.
But to men, yeah, I'm impressed. You were fidential journalists down
there, Victor, you had the tag. You were walking into the sessions
and doing all the stuff. That was pretty awesome. It was so much
fun. I can't even tell you, just walking by all the different gms
and coaches, standing just a few feet away from all these decision makers and
At one point, Peter and I were walking down the hallway and just turned
right with Danny Brier and just started chatting with him. Things like that happened
a lot in those few days, and it was really cool. And also
just meeting all of our scouts and writers and people that we bring on the
show all the time, and it was just really great to actually be able
to meet those persons, those people in person. It was fantastic just to
collaborate and connect with everyone. Yeah, I had a great time. Definitely
going to become an annual tradition for me. I think I must say,
so Vegas this time next year is going to have to happen played and people.
Hopefully people listened to last week's episode where we got some of the highlights
of the audio you all captured down there, and hopefully they listened to Dabber
Prospect Report this Thursday and I heard the other half of that because it was
a great one. So if you missed that for some crazy reason, get
over there and download that episode to hear a lot of the goodness, including
a little Dan Briar audio on the episode that came out DPR this week.
Victor, We're here for the draft, and believe me, we're going to
talk a lot about the draft today. I was telling you earlier, I
don't know if there are other podcasts that are going to do more with the
draft, and we are. We've got a lot of episodes of draft talk,
some of them already in the books, some of them still coming.
This is really the opportunity to get Victor's take, and I'll have some reactions
to it, but to really pick your brain on how you're coming out of
this and thinking about the upcoming fantasy draft season out of what you saw in
the real NHL draft. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that
in a few minutes. Before we do that, let me just mention a
few things. First of all, we invite your questions. Do you have
a question about the NHL Draft. Do you want to know from Victor what
the best restaurant is in Nashville, Tennessee. Do you want to know how
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hopping with some new materiel. Don't you tell people? What's there? Yeah,
lots of great stuff over there. One of the biggest things I want
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I think it depends on if you want to draft a brand new team,
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And of course the prospect spreadsheet is one of the highlights, where we've been
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You've got a different user Listen, you have five different user names out
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or which anyway. So let's take a break. Victor, I can't wait
anymore. It's time to talk about the draft. It's time. Finally the
draft is done. Victor's takes are coming. We're going to talk about the
twenty twenty three NHL Entry Draft, and we'll start the place that everybody has
to start with the top ten picks in the very first one, Connorbadard Center
from the Regina Pats of the WHL and the Chicago Blackhawks. Now, yep,
we're gonna have to watch him skate around the Chicago for several years to
come. Victor, what is there to say about Connorbadard? Not much.
He's amazing. Yeah, he's my number one. He's have one's number one.
It's not really that debatable, I don't think. I think it would
have been interesting to see Mitch coof at the international tournaments, but as it
stands, it wasn't really that close. His equivalences are just ridiculous if you
look at his NHL e pH Lee however you want to splice it, all
of his comps are basically Hall of Famers or NHL superstars. So at this
point it would be a massive statistical anomaly to think that he is not going
to be an NHL superstar. So that's really the main question is just what
is the upside and how soon does he hit it? Are really the only
questions I think. And Chicago, since originally they won the draft pick,
they have made some moves. It seems Taylor Hall is a fantastic linemate I
think for him because he's a great playmaker and Badard likes to shoot, so
it seems like that can be a really great pair and maybe they add some
more talent to help him get up to seventy eighty points. I think that's
possible in his first year, depends on how much talent they surround surround him
with, because he's certainly not going to be able to do it all alone,
but he's certainly going to get all the top deployment, and I've even
heard some of the scouts say that he could probably he might even be able
to be the first line center this year, which seems crazy for a guy
who's not even eighteen yet. But either way, he'll get tons of deployment
and he's going to be great, so I'm not really worried about that.
His bash is actually pretty good too. He has really good shots and even
some pretty decent blocks, and not a big hitter. But he is small.
People don't talk about that as much, but he is small, and
definitely saw that in person. All these guys are a lot smaller than I
thought they would be. Frankly, none of them were really that big.
So yeah, Connor Badard, amazing. What more is there to say?
It's a boring discussion, right, Jesse. Yeah, It's like it's the
best and also the least interesting fantasy topic because you're right, it's just take
Connor Badar. Don't think about it. The top ten we're going to cover
is not in order of the way that they were selected, but arguably the
guy who you have ranked second in your these are fantasy rankings, right,
Victor is probably the second most discussed player from this draft. And this is
our kacheller, the right winger Matt Vay Mitchkoff, who went number seven overall
to the Philadelphia Flyers. I was telling a friend of mine who's a Flyers
fan, how excited he ought to be about this, how stoked he should
be that your friend Daniel Brier saw this guy and vicked him. But why
didn't tell us about Matt Vay Mitchkoff. Yeah, Mitchcoff is awesome, And
I'm I was a little surprised if Philly did this. Everyone was saying that
he was going to fall one more spot to Washington, who seemed to love
their Russians, and I'm sure you would have been stoked about that. But
so I was a little surprised because Philly usually goes for the tough guy,
and everyone thought that. I thought they were gonna take Ryan Leonard when those
two kind of fliped spots between Washington and Philly. And that's what I asked
Brier about, is this seems like a new era in Philly and he's yeah,
we're going for high upside, high skill. This is what we're doing.
I was like, great, So that's fantastic to see. And you're
absolutely right. This is a fantasy ranking. When I do my ranks,
I do fantasy ranks. I know there's a lot of lists out there and
you have to be careful what you're looking at. And I highly respect the
guys who really try to project who the best NHL ers are and that is
a very different list, right, And that's not what I'm trying to do
here. I'm trying to see who has the most upside. So you're going
to see guys much higher than where they win in the NHL Draft because I'm
just looking at upside. And I think Mitchkof has the second highest upside in
this class. And my comfort him is Nikita Kutrof. I think he plays
that way. I think he has a lethal shot and an amazing ability to
make plays and create on his own. So that's what Koutrof is right.
He has a pretty devastating shot. But also he's a fantastic playmaker and can
create space for people, open up lanes. His production and the KHL was
absolutely historic. You look at top top point paces in the KHL for draft
eligible guys, and by point pace, he had more than anyone ever in
history. The only one who had who had more actual points was Vladimir Taraschenko,
who had twenty four points in forty two games back in the two thousand
nine ten season, but it was a slightly lower pace, and that's even
if you include his three games he played for Scott Saint Petersburg, which was
like, I think he played three minutes in one of those games, so
that barely counts. But yeah, better than some pretty good players like Kioka
prisof If, Geenny kuznets Off, even Nikita Kutrov who had two points in
nine games, not a big example size, but it wasn't better. So
there's a lot of other guys down the list here too, like Buchnevitch and
a couple of guys from this season like Danielle Boot and some other guys.
So yeah, what he was able to do is fantastic and people are all
worried about the contract. It was interesting that when he talked, and it
sure seemed like Mitchkoff was trying to manipulate where he went. It seemed like
he wanted to go to a big market team, and you can hold that
against him whatever. Frankly, I think a lot of us would do the
same thing in that situation. You want to have some control over this very
uncontrollable situation, and he was able to because of the Russian factor in the
contract. But I think that it may make sense that he wants to play
for a bigger market and he also said that he wants to come over as
soon as possible. Now his KHL contract says otherwise, But I don't know
where there's a will. There's a way on both sides, and maybe he
comes over even sooner if the team lets him out of his contract. I
doubt they will, but you never know, and then everyone will look like
they have egg on their face. If he comes over in a year,
it'll be like, what were we thinking? But his equivalences are also absurd.
They're all basically the same as the Dards in terms of Wayne Gretzky,
Crosby McDavid, Jack Hughes, Paul Kurree, all these guys are basically the
same comps, and so Mitchkof would also it would be an anomaly if he
wasn't just absolutely elite for points. His bash is also pretty good if you're
wondering just average for hits, but massive volume shooter and does decent with blocks
too. So these neither one of these guys are a black hole in terms
of those types of peripherals. But yeah, these for me are one two
with the bullet And if you're picking second overall in your fantasy league, unless
you're really concerned about the waytime, I think I think you should strongly consider
whether it's wise to pass on Meechcoff because I think when you look back,
you're gonna wonder why you didn't take Nikita Kutrov two point zero. Yeah,
for sure, this guy is definitely the upside swing, and that's what we
say people should do in their fantasy drafts. It really is all about that
weight in a way, as a Capital's watcher, in a way, it
doesn't break my heart as much as it ordinarily would because I think the Capitals
know they're gonna stink and eventually, but really, right now, I'm thinking
I really liked the guy that they got for the potential to maximize these last
few years of Obie and provide some strength with him. But anyway, let's
move on to number three. The guy who we expected, or at least
I thought, was going to go second in this draft, but he ended
up going third to the Columbus Blue Jackets from the University of Michigan, Adam
Fantilly. He decided to sign on the bottom line, I thought he was
talking about going back to the NCAA, but he wasn't. He didn't go
back to Michigan, but Adam Fantilly, Victor. He may have gone after
Leo Carlson, but you have ranked him before, so tell us about Adam
Vantilly. Yeah, this was definitely a surprise. I think we were starting
to hear rumors that and I'm really likes Carlson and so it wasn't like a
massive surprise, but we were all, yeah, that's not what a lot
of people thought. And I love the fact that he went to CBJ.
I think that they both Columbus and Anaheim have some pretty well established NHL allen
and so that helps him be able to play off them a little bit more.
Whereas Baddard is going to be doing a lot of this on his own,
even though he'll get all the best deployment, doesn't have the best people
to play with and fantillies. We've talked a little bit about this in the
past, but his rookie season in the NCAA was pretty historic, winning the
Hobie Baker, and his points per game basically lands him between Jack Eichel and
Paul Korea. So if you're wondering, like how good he can be,
I think it's reasonable to say he's probably between those two, and those guys
are both Korea was amazing and Jack Eichel is currently still pretty great, so
that's a pretty hard or pretty great guys to be compared to a He's a
power forward too. He's got some snarl in his game, so definitely a
little bit more feisty in terms of the bash he has. He writes out
as excellent for bash, just averaging blocks, but really good for hits and
shots, and I think that he does have that to his game, where
he's a little bit more imposing on his opponents and the bigger guy. He's
also older for this draft class. He's actually really old. He's in October
twelve, birthdays. So he's just about four weeks away from being eligible for
last year's draft. But he's pretty physically mature. He's pretty big dude.
He definitely was one of the few that I saw a person that was like,
Okay, yeah, this guy's pretty big. And he definitely has that
confidence in his eye too that you can see he's gonna make things happen.
His tracking data is interesting. He has really excellent shooting. His expected goals
are like the highest that Mitch Brown tracked, and his shots and shot assists
are also really good, and then had some other really good numbers like his
off puck assists and game score. But some of his transition game is really
not great, and that makes sense because he's not like the best skater.
He's not the fastest guy by any means, but he's not like slow or
anything. But he's definitely he's a really good end zone player. Once you
get the puck in the zone and you can bang bodies, you can create
space and that kind of stuff, he's really good at that. And his
equivalences are really high too. He's got some pretty good comps. Funny,
we were just talking about Brier. That's one of his comps Pierre Turjon.
Pat Lafontaine is a guy. I think he looks a lot alike in the
in the Hockey prospecting model, and he was pretty good player. And just
if you're wondering how he rates out equivalency wise to Jack Eichel, even though
his numbers were a little bit better in NC Doublea's equivalency rates out a little
bit lower just because of the D minus one season that he had which was
not quite as good in the USHL. So Jack Eichel equivalence he has looked
a little bit better, but still Ventilly looks like he's going to be awesome.
And I think even though Baddard is amazing, Vantilly has a pretty good
shot of giving a run for the money for the Calder just because he's going
to have a lot more support around him. He's got some really good NHL
players there in Columbus, assuming they don't all get hurt like they did last
year. But what do you think about that, Jesse, pretty good chance
that Vanilly, just because of the supporting cast, puts up as many or
even more points. What do you think? I get where you're coming from.
And it's funny last winter I feel like every once in a while,
if you really want to to have a hot take and get a few clicks,
you could. And I'm not accusing anybody of doing their stuff for clicks,
okay, but there were a few people who tried to spend that article
of maybe Fantility is just as good as Bdard, or maybe he should be
ranked first, which I don't know that anybody ultimately could do with a straight
face, but I get the logic there that he's close enough to it,
and given the team context in Columbus, Yeah, if you haven't been paying
attention to, Columbus is decent. They've got a lot of good players there
and they seem to keep bringing them in. So I would say that is
within the range of possibility. I suspect that if it's anywhere close but Dard,
the narrative around Bdard and owing and onwing over his initial highlights will probably
mean that he gets the nod, but it's not impossible. Moving on number
four, we're not to Leo Carlson yet spoiler, We're not going to make
it to him in a while. Instead, the US National Team Development program
at the us HL provided to the San Jose Sharks at number four, Will
Smith Victor, Why is Will Smith your number four fantasy prospect? Because he's
the fresh prince of bel Air. That's why. No, he's fantastic,
He's in terms of fantasy he's everything that you would want. I think it's
possible that Will Smith even has a higher points upside than Fantility, but I
think that's probably it's they're at least in the same conversation. Actually, Will
Smith's equivalency is a little higher, but in terms of projectability, Fantility is
just such a safer all around player and his compete level is really high.
He's pretty not he's not great defensively, Fantility, but he's much better than
Will Smith. He's a little bit above average, and so that's really good.
And the thing about Will Smith, yeah, he's I would compare him
to Trevor Zegris, who at the program had similar numbers in some ways and
was also just an offensive guy where he could just do his own thing.
And that's what Will Smith did. He tried things at the ushl N Cuba
a level that he was able to just because his line was so dominant,
and the coaches told him to just go score, do whatever you need to
do to score, and he didn't have to worry about playing defense or stuff.
And he didn't play defense. It was actually really terrible defensively. He's
here all gas, no break, It's just go and we worry about what
happens later. If we could scored on we'll just go score another goal.
That's basically the philosophy. He's got great moves, he's got great offensive instincts,
got a really killer shot that he can get off in a variety of
different ways and really quickly. So that's gonna treat him really well. I
think he's going to have a lot of a lot of offensive opportunities that I
think the biggest question will with Will Smith is and fantasy people don't usually want
to hear about this, but can he played good enough defense to be a
one see? Can he round out his game well enough to be an all
situations type of player, because otherwise you're like a second liner that you probably
gets top power play, but you're getting far fewer minutes and you're getting selective
matchups, and so that's going to limit your ice time and opportunity. I
think that's a realistic outcome for Will Smith. I also think that it's possible
that he gets to the point where he needs to be and really matures.
This next year or two in college is going to be really important for him,
even though he's going with Leonard and pro to BC. I hope that
they split him up and make him play defensively, and I think that's going
to happen in college. They're not going to let him play the way he
did at the USNTDP, so it'll be interesting to see. I think Will
Smith can get there, but he's got a lot of work to do at
both ends of the ice. His equivalences are interesting. There aren't a whole
lot of players who look the way he did. Is in particular because he
had a very modest D minus one season and then absolutely exploded for more than
double the points in his D in his draft season, and not a lot
of guys look like that. One of his comps that may be appropriate,
I don't know is Marion Hoosa, So that would be a pretty great outcome
because he was great, But there aren't really a whole lot of other guys
that you can compare him too. And if you look at the tracking data,
his defense is just terrible, and actually some of his transition defense,
even though he's not slow, but I think he's just a little inconsistent in
his own entries and exits and turns the puck over a fair amount. So
those are some issues that he needs to clean up, which I think he
can. It's just a matter of the way that he was asked to play
high risk, high reward hockey and that isn't something he's going to continue to
play. But Will Smith he's awesome. I think he's definitely the fourth best
guy that you want, arguably even in that same tier with Van Hilly depending
on your settings. But I will say his bash is a little bit lower
than the other the first where you've talked about he has pretty good shots,
but his hits and blocks are a little bit lower. So if you're worried
about him multi category league, then Vanhillia is the obvious choice. If it's
a points only league, then you know, I think he and Van Hillier
are close, and maybe even lean Smith, especially because he's got a clear
path to a one sie. I would say in San Jose, if he
develops properly, do you think Jesse, Yeah, that makes perfect sense to
me. Will Smith definitely impressed and deserved would go where he went. The
next guy we're going to talk about, Victor dropped substantially below where I would
have thought he would have been picked. And you had a really good interview
or scrum that you recorded with him that we played on the last episode.
And it's Zach Benson, who is forward, who's going to be playing for
the Buffalo Sabers now. And he dropped all the way to the number thirteen
pick, and which was a surprise, I think to me and maybe too
many who were watching the draft. But he did not drop Victor in your
rank of what he is going to do based on this draft. So tell
people about Zak Benson's game. Zack Benson is awesome. He's everything you want
in a player. He's very strong with the puck, he skates really well,
he's got great vision, he's got a really good shot. He's competitive
at both ends of the ice. The only downside really is that he's five
foot ten and some say he's even five nine and a half or whatever.
So he definitely and he's pretty slight too, he's one hundred and seventy pounds.
I remember when I was standing next to him, thinking like, this
guy is actually pretty small, and I'm not that big of a dude,
although I am heavier than him. But he is just so smart and so
skilled. He knows how to make other players do what he wants them to
do. He manipulates them into doing what he wants and goading them into positions
that they don't want to be in. He sees the game several steps ahead.
He's playing for d chess and everyone else is just playing checkers. That's
basically the way to put it with Zack Benson. His tracking data is reports
this too. The one thing he's maybe not great at it is the shooting.
He's not like a volume shooter. He's much more selective. And he's
an awesome playmaker. So his expected assists per sixty or like off like practically
broke Mitch Brown's chart. He's so good at that. And his transition games
also pretty good. But a lot of his other things, like his defensive
games, I know ep Ringside called him the best defensive forward in the draft,
which is pretty impressive considering there's some guys that's like their whole deal is
being good defensively, and Zach Benson not only scored a ton, but it's
good defensively, so he's fantastic. My comp for him is Mitch Marner.
I think people forget that Mitch Marner is basically five eleven, one seventy,
which is basically where Zach Benson is, and I think that they play similarly.
They see the game so well they create space for others they and I
think, like Marner, Benson is not a guy who's going to shoot first.
He's gonna always hold the puck and draw attention and create space for others
so that they can hammer the puck home like Austin Matthews. And Buffalo's got
some pretty good goal scorers on their team, so I'm pretty sure that he
could work well with them in the future. But he's got He definitely has
two or three years at least to develop. He's going to go back to
the DUB and being a May birthday, he's got two more years in the
DUB before he can even graduate, so he's going to be a weight and
hopefully he puts on a lot of hopefully grows an inch and puts on some
more muscle. But Zach Benson, I think has one of the highest ceilings
and I think five years from now we could look back and say, how
the heck did the next Mitch Marner fall to thirteen to Buffalo. He's fantastic
and I definitely would not be worried about the fact that he went thirteenth in
your fantasy drafts. I would definitely still be looking at him in the top
five, no later than six or seven. He should not be falling outside
the top ten in your fantasy drafts. I can't make a good case for
why they're ten better guys than Zach Benson. Next, the guy who did
fall to the Washington Capitals, And you said, a guy who's also going
to be going off to play college in the fall, Ryan Leonard again from
that US national team development program and the USAHL. A guy who's he's a
tough guy. Victor Right is scorer and a fighter and a lover. Tell
me about Ryan Leonard and why I should take him number six, if not
before, in my fantasy draft. Yeah, you've got a good one there
in Washington. I think the biggest thing to say about him is that out
of all out of the one hundred and fifty plus players that I've tracked for
the draft on my spreadsheet, he's only one of two who rate out as
a lead for Bash, and that's pretty incredible when it would be incredible even
if you didn't score a bunch of points. But Ryan Leonard scored a ton
of points and he was just overshadowed by his two linemates. But I think
if you break down that line, it's pretty clear the best all around player
on that line is Ryan Leonard. There's no question about it. It's not
Gaye Pro, it's not Will Smith, it's Ryan Leonard. If you needed
to win a game, he's the guy you put on the ice in any
situation, up or down, trailing, whatever. And he's basically a big
a mix stylistically between Matthew and Brady K Chuck and I just saw Jesse practically
jump out of his chair at that mention because I know you love those guys,
but yeah, he's fantastic. If Vash is valuable to you, then
you want Leonard. And the thing is that he's not just a hitter.
He doesn't just do that. He's also very skilled. He has some really
good moves, but he doesn't try the low percentage moves that Will Smith does.
He just makes really strong, powerful moves. He sees lanes and he
hits them, but he's not trying for the home run passes that Will Smith
does. He's not trying for those low percentage plays, So sometimes you don't
see the ooze and oz as much. They're still as impressive when you notice
them. He's just he doesn't al with as many passes, I guess is
one way to say, as Will Smith does, and he just has a
ton of skill, and so you're hoping that he can be anything close to
that third Kochuck brother. And if he can, then holy cow, you're
laughing all the way to the bank whenever you get him. I think if
you get him at six, you're pretty happy. I think there's even a
case in some leagues that you take Ryan Leonard even earlier. I think that
there's some who say he just doesn't have enough skill. He's just going to
be a third liner, third line banger, like an Alex Tuck, which
is like interesting but not amazing, And that's certainly a possible outcome. But
I think he has way more skill than that to play to necessitate being a
top liner or at least a top sixer, and most of his tracking data
it supports that, and in terms of his comps, he actually looks like
some pretty good players like Jack Quinn, Timomeyers, someone he comps out pretty
similarly too. And obviously he's pretty good and been that power forward mold.
If you're wondering how he looks an hl wise to the Chucks, he definitely
looks like he's in between them, a little lesser than Matthew, a little
better than Brady. But remember Brady didn't rate out very well in those equivalency
models. He broke her Invader's model because it it didn't predict how well he
would be. Yeah, definitely, I love Ryan Leonard. I think he
in terms of like floors, he has probably one of the highest floors in
this entire class, and he's going to be an NHLA for a long time.
And I'm sure Jesse, after hearing all this Kachuck love, that you're
going to take Ryan Leonard first overall in your draft. I think I mentioned
this on the other show, Victor, but I think they could Chuck comps
need to be banned now, along with the Brad Marshawn comps. It should
be illegal to compare that because everybody wants a Kachuck now, I mean,
and it before it was a Kochuck. It was a Tom Wilson, who
admittedly is a very poor man's Kochuck when it comes to scoring. But this
idea of the speed in the physicality and scoring in the net front is great.
It's definitely an archetype that you're interested in fantasy, so I am certainly
interested. But I always hold onto my wallet when people start throwing kil Chuck
around. There are only there's only one Kilchuck. I mean there's actually two
and possibly three if you count the dad. But we finally, Victor are
down to number seven in your rankings. Number two NHL draft pick Leo Carlson,
Who's going to be going to the Anaheim Ducks. Why is Leo Carlson.
He's dropped in terms of fantasy rankings, but he's still a very highly
valued prospect for you. Tell us about Leo Carlson. Yeah, he's a
really great player, just really high floor, very smart, very savvy.
We didn't get to hear from him at the pre draft media scrum thing that
I got a lot of recordings from because his flight didn't happen from Jersey and
so they actually drove and got there too late, so I didn't get to
hear from him directly that day. But anyways, he's just a really good
smart player. Our dabber guide gave him the comp of Sasha Barkov, and
I think that's pretty appropriate. Barkov, He's just so smooth and smart the
way he plays. He makes very high percentage plays, He protects the puck
well, he distributes well, but also he can score. Carlson can do
all of that. If you look at the way he plays, especially compared
to Will Smith is like such high risk high reward plays and Leo Carlson is
like low risk, high reward. Everything he does is smart and makes sense
and is with conserving and protecting the puck in mind. But it doesn't mean
he doesn't have skill. He can very much deep people and make some pull
you out of the seat, but he knows when to do it. He's
very judicious about when he pulls those things off, and he doesn't do it
if it's risky and could potentially hurt the team, whereas Will Smith hasn't quite
learned that yet or hasn't been asked really to do that yet. And I
do think Carlson will build a resume for a Selkie Trophy one day one of
the things that Mitch does his partners with Lasi Allinen, who does the tracking
data for the international some of the international guys, and Leo Carlson's tracking data
for the SHL as a draft eligible is insane. Like, he's literally one
of the best players in the league. If you look at the perse sixty
numbers in terms of like slot passes and expected goals and controlled X as an
entry is it's all phenomenal, and so that's really great, even though his
equivalence he looks a little lower. And I talked to Byron about this,
and part of the issue was that he didn't improve his NHL lead from his
draft D minus went to his draft season very much and that was basically what
held him back, which is a little unfair because his draft minus one equivalency
is really high. So just because he didn't increase from D minus one to
draft season shouldn't really be held that much against him because they're both really high
numbers. And so anyways, I think he's a little bit closer to Elias
Patterson than the numbers might suggest, because what he did in the SHL was
very impressive. But anyways, he might be closer to Shankaturier type, which
is still great, but maybe he doesn't have that big upside, which is
basically why I rated him a little bit lower. And I was a little
surprised at Ducks went with him. I thought that it made sense to go
Fantilly. They have liked their USNTD B and NC DOUBAA guys, but they
must have seen something they really liked in Carlson, and I think it makes
sense. He's very NHL ready, he's very mature, he's very safe.
I think he will be a glue guy. That'll They already have their flashy
and their Zegras type, and so maybe they thought, oh we don't need
as much of that. Maybe we need just more secure, safe, projectable
like top line center, and that's what Leo Carlson is for sure. What
did you think of that pick? Yeah, that's a lot of sizzle that
Anaheim already has. I was disappointed. I was hoping that they would take
Fantilly. I don't have a whole lot in the tank for whether it's better
for Anaheim or Columbus to have him, but the Fantilly skill set more than
Carlson Carlson. It's whenever you hear things like two way and reliable from a
fantasy perspective, it cools you down on the guy. And that's not fair
because obviously a great two way guy can be a great fantasy player. But
when a guy's value as a hockey player is being accruede from some of those
things that don't necessarily show up on the stat sheet the same way, it
does lead me away from him as my top fantasy pick. I think this
is appropriate rated and it's not like he's a bad pick whatsoever. Certainly a
very defensible, very logical one for Anaheim to do. But now, Victor,
we are going to go down to the eighth pick of your fantasy rankings.
We're gonna go to the desert where Arizona fifth overall. The second defenseman
off the board took Dmitri Simaschev, and that seems like you like that as
a pick for them. Tell us about Dmitri Simaschev, Victor, So,
Simaschev going six to Arizona it was a bit surprising. I don't think was
surprises when he was one of the first defensemen off the board. He's a
super high upside guy in terms of he's a little raw right now, but
he's really big, he skates really well, he sees the ice really well.
He's played in a professional league. He played eighteen games in the KHL
and looked really good doing it defensively anyways, he also scored exactly zero points
in that league, So I think a lot of people are worried that he
doesn't have offense. I don't ascribe to that because you can see the plays
that he's making. It just didn't translate into any primary or secondary assists.
But he was creating and he was driving play and he was doing that kind
of stuff. So I really like him, and I think even if he
doesn't score a ton of points, I think thirty to forty points is more
than reasonable, and he should have a ton of time on ice and be
pretty good for BASH as well. I don't know that his BASH will be
a league, but it should be good, and so that is something that
is tantalizing. And he was also pretty darn good in the MHL but didn't
score like a ton of points. So I guess that's the part that people
really equipal with. Is Okay, even if you're not going to score in
the KHL, you could score in the MHL. But I think you just
have to look at the product, and you have to look at how they're
doing it and the process and if you trust the process in the tools,
which I do, and I know I talked to a lot of people who
do. They really like him, But I think the upside is middle pairing
and probably not like a top power play guy, So there's a little bit
less excitement there for Simaschev. But I think he's someone who clearly can run
up play. He reminds me a little bit and Dabber has the comp of
Alex Petrangelo. Alex Petrangelo is more than capable of running your power play.
He's maybe not the most offensively gifted, and you can see his teammate in
Vegas being the one who should be running the power play in Shade Theodore,
but Alex Petrangelo can do it all. And I think that's what Simaschev is.
He's someone who you're going to want because he's going to play, He's
going to put up good numbers, he's gonna be out there all the time,
he's gonna have a high floor. So you like that. I think
when you look at Howey prospecting his star probability is extremely low. It's basically
the five percent gift that Byron gives people because he literally had no points in
the KHL and very little in the MHL. So when you look at equivalences,
there are very few who turned out to be really good players based on
that you're basically talking about Jacob Truba is the only one. There's a bunch
of guys who made it who didn't do much. But there's still a lot
to like with Simashev in terms of you're getting someone who's going to play.
It may take a few years, but he's going to play in the NHL.
You're not going to be wasting a pick, and there's still upside for
more offense. We all thought this about most Cider, and then he turned
into be a beast of a fantasy ascid. I don't really see that.
I think there's still a possibility he scores a lot more points, and we
all thought so. I think I like those high floor guys to some extent
Jesse, just because they're going to play and they're going to put up some
stats instead of there's some guys who you pick and you're like, there's a
lot of upside there, but there's also a zero floor, and then you're
stuck with no assets at all, or no points or nothing to deal with.
So I don't know how you how you manage those kind of risks,
but I think that Simashchev deserves to be in the Fantasy top ten just because
of that super high floor and the ceiling may not be super high, but
it's still decent. We are your thoughts on that. I would agree with
you, Victor. Please don't blame Dmitri Simashev for being picked ahead of the
guys who were really excited about We've already talked about Matt by Mitchkoff and Ryan
Leonard. It's not his fault. He went sixth, And don't get caught
in the trap of loll Coyotes and say this guy is going to be a
bus because he was drafted sixth ahead of some of those other players. He
is the highest ranked defense in your rankings, Victor. He seems to have
earned that position, and in fact, we're going to talk about one more
defenseman in your top ten. But yeah, this it was not a great
defenseman draft. The Coyotes wanted a defenceman, they potentially got the best one
in terms of how it's going to work out for our fantasy performances. So
yeah, Dmitri Simaschev, good dude, we'll have to see. It's such
an unknown for him to come over here. Like you said, no points
last year, Number nine, Victor, we're going to go back to the
US national team development program. It's another big year for the US national team.
Twenty third overall, the New York Rangers select Gabriel Perrot. Who is
Why didn't you tell us who he is? He's an enigma a little bit.
He broke the USNTDB record for points and everybody thought that it was Will
Smith, and I mean he did two. But these guys were just really
great together. And it's hard to get a read on that trio because they
just always play together. And it's interesting that kind we're seeing a little bit
of them playing a part now by the trio Pierrol Leonard and Will Smith,
and they all bring something a little bit different. They're all going to be
see together, but we we did. I have seen Will Smith play a
little bit separate at the Prospects scrimmage that I went to the first a couple
of day, a couple of days before recording, and it's and we do
need to see this like how they all operate together, but as a trio
they were incredible. And I think he was the third best on that line.
But he was very timely. He's a kind he doesn't scay very well,
but he shows up in the right spots and puts the puck in the
net. He's very he has good vision, good hockey I Q. He
sees the play, he knows how to open things up and create seems a
good passer, he can finish. He kind of reminds me a little bit
of Jason Robertson without that killer shot that Robinson has, just like in terms
of doesn't skate very well but just has a nose for the net and can
get there. And that part reminds me a little bit a pro. I
think this is a steal at twenty three. I think when we look back
at this, we're gonna say, holy cow, how did gay pro go
twenty third? If everyone for god, Jason Robertson was the second round pick
and it was because of the mobility in the skating and it's the same thing
here in terms of that. His bash is also average in terms of he
doesn't really hit or block very much, but he has pretty decent shots.
He still has a really high offensive upside. It's just that Gay pro is
going to need two things, development and someone really strong to play with.
And I think, and you heard this with some of the people I talked
to at the draft, is that I think New York is a very difficult
place for him. I think the Rangers have had a tough time developing prospects
and he needs There's some prospects that don't need much. They're just so talented
they're going to make it. And I think those are the guys that have
made it in New York. They've made it in spite of the system,
not because of their system. And Pro really needs a lot of help,
and it worries me that he's in the Ranger's system because he needs a lot
of help. His defensive game is horrific. If you look at Mitch Brown's
tracking data, he was one of the worst forwards in the data set that
he tracked of the US USHL and ncuble A just awful. But his offensive
metrics are incredible, not the transition ones, but the expected goals and expected
primary assists. So he's really good there and on the power play. He's
incredible. So all the offensive metrics that you would want in terms of scoring,
this we want fantasy. It's good. He needs to be able to
be average defensively, and he needs to have what he had at the program,
someone like Will Smith and Leonards, someone who can drive play, someone
who can help create, someone who can be a goal scoring threat, and
not just if he's the only one on that line. If pro is the
only one on a scoring line, I think it's trouble. I think that
I'm not sure he can carry the line on all on his own, and
so that'll be interesting to see. His equivalence is incredible, though, when
you look at hockey prospecting, he's got fifty three percent chance of being a
star, sixty six pound scent chance of being an NHL. So a lot
of really amazing comparables like Pavlo, Bret Yarmor, Yager. He's got some
more modest ones like Yuri Hudler and Sam Ganger, and he might be a
little bit more like that. The other thing that you really have to be
concerned about is that all of these guys, all of this top line,
had a very modest D minus one and then a massive draft season, and
oftentimes when you see that, you have to wonder is this just a product
of the environment or did they really take a massive step forward in their draft
here? And I think that it might be a little bit of both.
And I think that this year was certainly inflated just based on the situation that
they were in. So at any rate, Gay part is still a really
exciting asset, and he should not go in the twenties and your fantasy draft,
he should definitely go, probably top ten, I would say, unless
you're trying to get a few defensemen in there, unless you like some of
these other guys a little bit better better, But definitely I would be interested
in pro and bet against the Crangers development program. What about you, Jesse,
the shallow drafter in your league. Let's I'm trying to decide what a
rube in your league would do with this guy, because simultaneously he was drafted
late in the first round, but he absolutely put up video game numbers for
the national development team. He was the leading scorer for the team, not
Will Smith. And at some point it's like, how do I just believe
that? I guess that's why you have them up at nine, even with
the scouting based and the advanced stats based reasons to doubt his performance. I
guess the one advantage he's going to have coming into New York relative to some
of the guys who've struggled there, is he's coming in with a little bit
more air cover. Lafrenier and Coco were coming in as the saviors of the
franchise, and especially when New York was down, they were top two picks.
He's coming in as a late first round guy, maybe can fly under
the radar, and they've got a lot of stars on the pro roster right
now, so he shouldn't be expected to contribute right away. Hopefully they let
him simmer. Hopefully he shows that production was not an accident, because he's
going to a great college situation next year in Boston College, so we'll have
to see. I've got a lot of I think you've got him ranked right,
Victor, And actually, when you look at your top ten, this
is the guy who has ranked more spots above his draft position than anybody else
in your top ten. He's actually fourteen spots higher in your fantasy rankings than
he was in the draft. Gay Perrow legit. I think I would love
to have him on my fantasy team. But last we did get a second
We did get a second defenseman in this whole situation, Victor Axel Sandem Pelica.
And it is another Swedish defenseman going to Detroit, because that's what happens
with Steve Eiserman. Once he got done with taking his Nate Danielson, who's
going to come up on almost every episode. I think of our post draft
coverages, what the heck was that all about? They then he took Axel
Saint Dan Pelica, who was one of the top defenseman here. And Victor,
why is this your second defenseman on the board, and somebody who you're
ranking as tenth higher than his draft slot of seventeenth. Yeah, he's a
really exciting pick, and I think, yeah, it's interesting with Detroit.
If you tell me that he's coming away with the Troy's coming away with day
Danielson and Naxcine sending Pelica, you're pretty happy. I think we would just
switch the orders. I think Peter and I talked about that. It just
seemed a little strange that they went Danielson so high. But at any rate,
you shouldn't be dissuaded by the fact that he went seventeenth. I think
that most people would say he's the best offensive defenseman in the draft. I
think he's the best combination of offensive defenseman and all around, because there's some
other guys that might have more offensive upside but have massive defensive deficiencies, like
Dragasevic or Guyayev, who have along farther to go asp as we often like
to call him because it's just easier. He played some SHL games along with
J twenty national games and so twenty two SHL games. He didn't score a
ton, but I think that gives him a big feather in his cap that
he was able to play professional hockey this year. And he looked really good
at the international tournaments as well, especially the U twenty where he actually took
over and ran the power play. That was pretty impressive, especially being so
young for his age group. He was still seventeen at the time and he
was playing against guys two years older than him. That was impressive. And
then at the UA Teens he also looked pretty good, although Tom Villander took
a lot of his spotlight at that tournament, but anyways, they both looked
pretty good. He is a little bit undersized, though, five to eleven,
which makes me a little bit worried, just because a couple of these
recent Swedish undersized defensemen have really struggled to translate their game to the NHL.
See Neil's Lundquist and Victor Soderstroum, who look like they'll be NHLers, but
certainly not the upside that we thought they might be in their draft season.
So that makes me a little worried. Daber has his comp as Noah Dobson,
who I think is reasonable, but it's also a bit bigger, and
I think he also have to remember how long it took Dobson to become relevant,
so there's a bit of a concern there. The one thing. The
other thing I'll say about Asp is that he and Ryan Leonard are the only
two that I tracked over one hundred and fifty players in this draft who have
elite Bash. It was a bit surprising. Ryan Leonard made sense. I
figured that would be the case. He's kind of feisty, he hits a
lot, he shoots a lot, he's a good all around forward. But
Asp having elite Bash definitely surprised me that maybe you move him up your board
a little bit, just because he has that really high floor, and I
think his upside is also reasonably high. So I just worry a little bit
about ASP's defensive game. He is pretty close to average defensively, but he's
going to have to get all the way to NHL average or he won't get
enough five on five playing time. You might be looking at a third pairing
top power play or third pairing second power play time, and then it's not
that exciting right in that situation. That's why I would prefer someone like Simaschev
who has a potential to be a top pairing on a team, maybe on
a weaker team, but he could still be a two or three number two
or three defenseman. Get twenty two plus minutes a night, get tons of
bash and some decent amount of points, even if he's not running a power
play. Whereas ASP, maybe he gets second power play time, maybe he
doesn't command the top power play, and then he's playing third pairing minutes and
it's not that exciting. So that concerns me a little bit. Have Lassie
Ellenin's tracking data from along with Mitch Browns, and his defensive game is pretty
bad. He's got a lot of Basically, it's the only red in his
entire tracking set. The rest of his game, the transition game, the
passing, the skating, the expected goals are really high, the power play
game score, all of that is really good except for the defensive game,
so that it really needs to come a long way. Yeah, and because
he didn't score so much in the SHL, his equivalence he's a little bit
lower. It's only nine percent, so he has a pretty decent floor.
Actually when you compare him, I just did this for fun to Niel's Lundquist
and Soderstroum. He actually looks right now a little bit more favorable. But
those other two also really improved a lot in their D plus one in two
seasons, and so we'll have to see if Pelica can do that as well.
So the question we all need to know that the answer to the question,
Jesse is are you down with asp? Yeah? You know me,
Victor, I would be fine getting him in this draft. If you made
the point, I would reiterate if you asked me to take an offensive,
potential offensive defenseman like this and say, what is the worst position you could
put him in terms of the thirty two NHL clubs for both a banging offense
and opportunity to be the lead dude able to score powerplay points on that offense.
Detroit would probably be in my bottom five for where to send a defenseman
at this point, so that's very unfortunate. There's a weapon, you,
Victor. It's time to move to some guys who will way down on the
boards and yet way higher on fantasy guys to move up your draft board great
fantasy production versus their draft position. And the first one, Victor, you're
singing my music because you're telling me there's a Washington capital in Andrew Krystal who
went fortieth and is going to be a great fantasy pick. Tell me about
Andrew. Andrew is a very exciting offensive producer and he already signed his ELC.
I think Washington knows what they have in him. He was number twelve
on my rank, twelve on my rank, went fortieth to Washington. You
gotta love that. His production was pretty insane, almost two points per game
for the Colonna Rockets, ninety five points in fifty four games. And I
believe he was injured and didn't play all of the Memorial Cup games, and
that would have made a big difference. I think for Colonna because he was
a huge part of what they could do. And he's a little under size
of five ten one sixty five and really not a great scale, so that's
really the big rub against him why he fell so far. But when you
look at just like what he can do with the puck, he's like literally
up there with Badard and those guys, and not the shot. He doesn't
have the shot, but he has the offensive creativity and the ability to absolutely
murder you on the power play. You have to be a little worried that
he progresses in all the right ways and he's basically completely disinterested when the puck
isn't on his stick, and that's the biggest issue is away from the puck,
how does he play. His defense rates out in the WHL mind you
as pretty bad forty eight percentile, so he's below the mean a little bit,
and his expected goals numbers are actually pretty bad, and his shots are
pretty bad, but his primary assist rate is nearly the best in the data
set that MITS tracked, and the rest of his transition game is actually pretty
good. Even though he's not a great skater, he actually helps transition the
puck really well. So you're getting a great offensive producer. In fact ep
rinks, it says shades of Jonathan Huberdoe and Mattias Mitchelli, and I think
that's pretty apt because both those guys don't shoot, but they're both really good
creative players. Neither one of them are super fast. Huberdo definitely actually both
these guys quite a bit bigger, so they can help protect the puck a
little bit better, but they are good possession, creative players that don't necessarily
shoot a lot. And I think that's what you hope Christal can be.
He's the guy that on the power play, you just get the puck to
him on the half wall and he runs everything, and he can carve out
a role for him in the NHL just doing that. But you hope that
the rest of his game comes along and he's at least can pretend like he's
interested in playing defense and didn't get close to NHL average, then he can
command a lot more ice time. His equivalency is insane, sixty percent chance
of being a star sixty six were chance chancing being an NHLer. So these
are like his comps are all amazing. Leon dry Sidel is one for another
WHL guy who also didn't scate very well, but I think dry Siddle had
far fewer flaws in his game at that level. There's also Mike Robero,
I think is a reasonable comp in terms of the style of play, so
he's your boom bust classic. As an NHLGM, you're definitely a little terrified
that you're wasting a first round pick on this guy. But as a fantasy
GM, I wouldn't begrudge someone for taking Andrew Crystall in the first round.
I think you're very excited about the possibility with Crystal and you don't care if
he doesn't do anything for height and it was and it was not Crystall Anyways,
I think I'm really excited with what Washington did. I think they went
a little bit. They went for these high upside guys, and I think
in the past they've gone a little bit safer. Who's close to NHL ready,
like we want someone to play with Obie next year kind of thing,
and that's been tricky that hasn't quite worked out the way they would have liked,
although Frushenko looks like he's on track and it's worked out okay. But
I think with this jaff they swung for the fences a little bit more.
And I really like that because Kristall is going to be a top of the
lineup kind of player, or he's not really going to play. And that's
pretty exciting also for fantasy obviously, because you want those really high upside guys.
And Andrew Kristal is for sure that. So you I like what you're
watching. Capitals did Ryan Leonard Andrew Kristal. They also got Cameron Allen in
the fifth round, who coming into this year, people were talking about Cam
Allen as one of the top d in this draft, and he didn't have
a great season, struggled quite a bit and fell to the fifth round where
the Caps got him. So you're loving that all day if he regained some
of his forms. So really what the Caps did and you should be excited,
Jesse, Yeah, you're excited about Christal. I am and Victor.
Another guy would lump into that group would be Henrik s Lapierre. Remember he
was a guy who the reason he slipped was because of the help issues and
the talent seemed to be above that. So like Roshanshenko too, Victor,
I think we should have an annual award. I think we should call it
the Arthur cally of Award of a guy who we see is going to be
great in fantasy but slips to the second round because of attitude or last minute
production or perceived bad defense. Atu Ratu could probably fit into that category.
There's a number of guys, and it sounds like maybe Andrew Krystal is the
newest inductee into the Arthur cally of Award. We'll have to think about that
later. Next that's a better I would have thought of Joshua saying, but
they didn't buy kids. That's kind of the other end of the spectrum.
Be more optimistic, Victor. Yeah, yeah, So next we're going to
go to the Minnesota Wild and get in. Just at the end of that
second round. Riley Height is your next guy, Victor. Tell us about
Riley Height and why he is going to reach great heights in the fantasy world.
Oh man, you beat me to the pun. I love it.
Yeah, Riley reach great heights is and it's h E I d T if
you're scoring at home. But he went sixty four. Yeah, we were
at the draft. We were all of course sitting here counting on our fingers,
like when are these guys gonna go. That we really like because you
know that the nhlgms are gonna slip in some second third rounders that are high
floor kind of guys gonna play in the league. They're big, they skate
well, they don't have a ton of offense. But and then the goalies,
of course. So Hyde was the one that we were all like,
oh my god, when is this guy gonna go? And he thought he'd
be at worst an early second rounder, and he almost became a third rounder.
It was crazy, but yeah, I had him thirteenth, right behind
Christall. His bash is also excellent. He's a very feisty dude. He's
not huge, he's five to eleven, one eighty, but he plays really
feisty. He hits a lot, he gets into scrums, he pisses you
off. We're not allowed to say he's like a Kachuk apparently, but he
has a little bit of that feistiness in him. So you like that.
You like that. And he had a ton of points for Prince George,
ninety seven points and sixty eight games, and they weren't the best team,
and so that really helped. If you look at the EP ringside guide,
which I love he's one of they're one of the guys. He's one of
the guys that they label a legit triple threat to Deek pass and score,
and you love that. Guys who can have multiple ways to beat you.
A lot of the guys that are drafted earlier can do one thing really well.
They can shoot really well, like Colby Barlow, they can skate really
well all over more, or they're extremely creative with their passing. There's a
lot of different tools that everyone can have, and Riley Height is one of
these few guys that can do everything really well at a high level. You
can see him excelling at all of these things in the NHL. I guess
why did he fall is the biggest question, and I think part of it
is that there's a little bit of concern that maybe all of these ways that
he scores isn't going to translate to the NHL. He's a little bit of
a defensive liability. If you look at Mitch Brown's tracking data, his defense
is pretty bad twenty fifth percentile. The interesting his shots are also really low.
Another way, these guys who tends to hang onto the puck a little
bit, but when he does shoot, you're like WHOA do that more often?
His expected primary sister really high, and but his transition play is also
not so good. So he's one of these guys that if you have rarely
hide on your team, what he likes to do is get in the zone
and just set up offense. So like on the powerplay, insane production.
In fact, of all WHO players that Mitch Brown tracked, he had the
highest points percentage on the power play. So he was someone who thrived with
excess time and space. And the concern, I guess is partly that in
the NHL you have less time and space and so as things get cramped down,
maybe he doesn't do as much, isn't Maybe he isn't is exciting,
Maybe he struggles a little bit. So that's the concern with height. But
as a fantasy asset, you're like, no problem, I'll take him,
and you know he's got really high upside. You also have to like the
Minnesota took him. Minnesota has had amazing drafts, and yes they have a
talented pool. I think I was talking to Peter about him and he was
saying that he's concerned that they have some really good centers or maybe this was
another one of my cogms. I think we were considering taking Hight versus Guliayev
in one of my drafts, actually that I remember now. Bret and I
were talking about this, and the concern is that or he had a concern
that Riley Hight Goods going to Minnesota and they have good centers. But I
don't think Riley Heights a center. I think he's going to be a wing.
He's a very He's one of these playmaking wingers, maybe a little bit
like Taylor Hall, but not as good as a skater. And I don't
worry about him being a center. I worry about him being able to do
all the other things, the skating, the defense, the even strength production.
But those are all things that he can work on. Those are all
very legitimate things that can be coach, that can be practiced. I think
that he's certainly smart enough to work in decreased time and space. He's just
comfortable on the power play. He's comfortable with exer stimes and who isn't right,
But not very many people can dismantle a defense like Riley Hyde with extra
time and space. So you like him. You look at comp's forty percent
chance of being a star. Of course, there's some really high upside guys
that you look at. There's a lot of guys who didn't quite make it,
but of course there's like the Alex Tangey and Bradon Point. Of course
everyone has to bring up Bradin Point whenever there's a WHL guy who's a little
undersized who did really well. And I don't think he'll be Braton Point,
but he has some really high upside and you should definitely take him before sixty
fourth overall, I think he's probably I would say Jesse, he's probably the
biggest riser in terms of where he got drafted in the NHL and where he's
draft where he's ranked on my list, because sixty fourth overall in the NHL
thirteenth on my list. I don't know if I tracked all of this,
but that seems like the biggest gap to me. What do you think about
Hypen? I love what I'm here in Victor, and I agree Minnesota is
a good context to go in. I think there's a good culture there,
and if he's got to work on his defense, I think there are some
guys there who might be able to help mold that. And they slow roll
their prospects a little bit. In Minnesota. It feels like they're not in
a big hurry to get them up to the NHL. So if there is
development to be done, I trust Minnesota to do it as well as many
other teams would be trusted to do it. You said you were debating between
him and Mikhail Gouldgayev, who went in the first round a whole round earlier
to the Colorado Avalanche, and it must be that you like him quite a
bit. So tell me about Michil Guyayev and why he also slipped even at
thirty one. I didn't even plan that. I just was remembering that Brett
and I had this decision and discussion in our draft. But you're right,
he is the next guy on the So yeah, he's definitely one of the
most creative offensive defenceman in the class. He's an awesome skater, and Guliyev,
unlike we were talking a little bit about Asp earlier, it was a
little bit undersized. It was an awesome skater and a bit undersized. Whereas
ASP is a decent skater. Tom Vilander, his Swedish compadre there, he's
a much better skater. So ASP has a little bit of the skating.
It's not really a concern. It's just not amazing for an undersized guy.
So you love that. But the thing about Guliyev is that he tries things
that he shouldn't try, a little bit like Will Smith, I guess to
some extent, but when you're a defenseman, it can look way worse,
right because you don't have a whole two three guys behind you when you try
really creative plays. But in the MHL, you can do that because you're
generally better than everyone and the game's usually pretty wide open and there's lots of
space. So he would do that, and he tried all kinds of crazy
things and some of them worked, and he's such a good skater they can
just blow by people. And in the KHL he definitely struggled quite a bit
more and he didn't score very much. He played thirteen games and had one
assists. You compare that to the eighteen games that Simischev played and had zero
assists. What's the real difference there. Maybe he looked into an assist in
the KHL. But I think people like Gliaya's offensive instincts. He really can
run a power play. He's got a great skater. He's dynamic with his
skill. I just worry that some of that offense doesn't translate to the NHL
because you can't do some of those things at the highest level. But he'll
figure a lot of that out playing in the KHL. He's a bit raw,
He's going to take a while. And it's not that he's like so
bad defensively, he's just a little bit more reactive, Whereas when he has
a puck on his stick, he's dictating play, and when he doesn't have
the puck on his stick, he's just more reacting. Instead of forcing,
you know, taking off lanes and forcing forwards to do what he wants.
He doesn't quite do that. So he's someone that I still think is worth
a flyer. Sixteen is where I had him. I think depends on how
you value D. He's gonna be a weight though he's gonna all of these
guys, a lot of these forwards in D they're going to be three four
years and so it probably doesn't make that much of a difference. But if
you look at Mitch Brown's data set, you probably pull your hair out and
wonder, like how he has an eighty three percent chance of being a star.
And that's based on his MHL performance, which I guess I didn't talk
about, but he was over a point per game in the MHL. He
split between two teams and oh no, sorry, he was just with Omski
and he had over a point per game in twenty two games and a little
bit under in the playoffs. So yeah, he looked great in the MHL.
But we've talked a lot about how that league is highly variable, so
I'm a little skeptical of that his one he has three cops on Hockey Prospecting
at eighty three percent chance of being a star. Scott need a buyer.
Michael Dell's Auto and Ryan Merkley talk about three of the most wildly different guys
you could possibly be related to. Nanemeyer, amazing skater, hall of famer,
like just incredible all around. Michael Dell's Auto Okay, like average NHLer
had some fantasy relevant Marian Murkley probably won't even be an NHLer. So it's
it's a bit weird, and I think that there it does represent a little
bit not quite. I don't think his ceiling is quite Niedemeyer, but the
volatility in Kuyayev. He has a high ceiling. He also has a nothing
floor. He's a guy who might never really play in the NHL to a
significant amount, and so that's the risk. There's a lot more risk with
Kuyayev, and so that's something to keep in mind. You gotta gauge that
risk a little bit. Give the guys at Hockey Prospecting some credit. They
picked their model, came out with three very different guys, and none of
them Russian. So you can't say that it's just they grabbed MHL comparisons because
they don't know what to do with MHL guys. Very good, Okay,
Mikael Guyayev is one will keep in mind there are some guys who are going
to come up on multiple episodes, and I can mysteriously see into the future
and tell you that the next one, Cohen Ziemer, is one of those
guys who's going to come up yet again in a future episode with a certain
person who has certain insights into a certain hockey league in the certain western part
of Canada. All right, I'm going too far. The seventy eighth overall
pick in this draft by the Los Angeles Kings, the first pick that the
King's made in the draft. Cohen Ziemer, why is this guy high in
your radar? Victor? He's exciting offensively and by the way, I don't
think we need to be koy about the fact we talked to Joel Henderson,
because we already did, so that's true. It's in the cans in the
can as they say, it'll be out in a couple of days. We
talked to Until's great and try not to let him influence what we say too
much. But it's hard not to because he's a smart guy and I trust
what he says. But yeah, Cohen Ziemer, he was eighteenth on my
list. He I think a lot of people were worried that Cohen Ziemer played
for Prince George. He was just writing, writing the Heights of Riley Height,
riding the coattails. I guess maybe you could say he's got good offensive
instincts, does Ziemer? He's maybe just not the primary driver, and his
skating is poor. I know the Kings have been able to work with some
guys like that. You just mentioned the Kalievs of the world, so I
think if they can fix that, they easily have a first round talent on
their hands and they've done this before I mentioned, so I think it was
a really smart pick. The Kings know what they're doing. They've drafted extremely
well, and he's got really high expected goals and shots. His primary sists
were a little bit lower. And it's interesting when you look at Cohen Ziemer's
tracking data, it's a lot, it's highly variable. There's some good stuff
and transition, some bad stuff and transitions, some good parts of his defense
and bad parts of his defense. It's just up and down, which kind
of helps, I think, explain he went all the way down at seventy
eighth. There wasn't a lot of confidence in his projection forty percent chance of
being a star. He's got, of course comps like Brandon Point Connors,
Arry Dawson, Dawson Mercer, but I think a WHL comp that is pretty
reasonable, as Dylan Cousins, who had a lot to work out in his
game before he could translate to the NHL, and he finally was breaking out
this year, even though he was drafted back in twenty nineteen, so it
took four years and he finally figured it out. So I think maybe that
kind of upside where I think there's still more to come for Cousins, and
that's pretty exciting. Yeah, I think, and LA did some interesting stuff.
Jacob Dvorak. Dvorak was their first pick, and then they took a
goalie who I don't know anything about. And then they took Matthew Mania in
one fifty, who's a really exciting later pick who really exemplifies his name as
a manic player. But I like what LA did. Coinzimer high upside,
Mania high upside. And then they got a couple of floor guys, so
yeah, love it, Victor. The next couple of guys. I've never
brought this up, and I don't know if it's a sensitive subject. I
don't know if we're going to leave this on the cutting room floor, Victor.
But I saw some pictures of you with other people at the draft,
and I'm starting to think, Victor, that you might not be the tallest
guy in the world. But there's some people who aren't the tallest who are
very good at hockey. We need to talk about some of them, the
first being Gavin Brindley. Columbus Bluejackets had themselves a very nice draft, and
you got to tell us why. Gavin Brindley, first of all, ballpark
taller or shorter than you, and why he's a very good hockey player.
Yeavin Brindley is five nine and he is taller than me. Yes, I
am not tall, that's for sure. I love my short kings. Maybe
that's why I maybe mention it, but no, we mentioned it because it
matters, and understand HL GMS. It matters because size matters in the NHL,
and he's foot nine and that's going to be an issue for Gavin Brinley,
even though he's awesome and I love him and he's exciting. And more
importantly, Adam Vantilly loves Gavin Brindley and their best buds they played at Michigan
and awesome that Columbus used their first second round pick to select Gavin Brinley so
that the buds could stay together. I just love that story. I think
it's fantastic. It's gonna be fun watching them developed together. Thirty fourth overall,
and I think one really important staff for Gavin Brindley is that he was
second in time on ice only to Fantilly at Michigan, meaning that he was
put out there in every situation and that's exciting. I gave him the twenty
first overall rank just mainly because of his size. His funny. I was
talking to JD. Burke and we were cushing over how much we love Gavin
Brinley, and he said he wanted to rank him fifteenth overall, but the
rest of the guys at EP pushed him back quite a bit. But he's
a wrecking ball out there. He was nearly a point per game as a
freshman, which is we're shadowed by what Adam Fantilly did. But he's awesome.
That's a tough league with big dudes, and he showed he can do
it, so that gives you a little bit more faith that maybe he can
do it at higher levels. I just really hope Gavin Brinley grows an inch
or two because I'll just make it so much easier for him. But his
tracking data is almost all blue, like his transition game, his defense is
a lot of his miscellaneous metrics. In terms of like other short kings,
he actually looks a lot like Tyler Ennis, which I think is a pretty
good comp Tyler Ennis also a five foot nine and had a reasonable fantasy success.
He was relevant here and there, but not temporary expectations. I guess
is what I'm saying a little bit, so, Yeah, Gavin Brinley,
He's definitely someone that you probably want to take a flyer on, depending on
how big your league is. Late first, early second. Definitely in that
fifteen to twenty five range. I think you can do worse than him,
and he's got some pretty good upside. And the second one we want to
talk about in this category is a Carolina Hurricanes pick. We always love those
late Carolina Hurricanes pick, and Jayden Puran is absolutely no exception. He's a
guy who really slipped according to where you saw him in the draft, picked
or forward for the Carolina Hurricanes. Tell us about Jadon Prawn plastic Carolina pick
getting massive value at ninety fourth overall. Yeah, he was definitely another one
that as the draft went into the third round, we were like, Okay,
when is Paran gonna go? Because we all are really excited about him.
He's not related to David Prawn and casea wondering and yeah, he felt
as he kept following, I think we all just looked at ourselves and said,
Okay, when does Carolina pick, Because they're gonna take Jaden Prawn.
We just knew it. I had him twenty third. He's incredibly skilled offensively,
he's very creative. He really can. He scored at a really high
clip in the USHL and he's just so small, he's five nine. Also,
I do love that he's going to North Dakota Gavin Bronley already in college.
I think that bumps him up a little bit in my book. And
he's just he's someone who is has some pretty decent upside. His percent who
is the star potential is fifteen percent and he actually looks a fair amount like
another shortish guy, Daniel Gushen, who if you're a keeping track of Gushen,
he also was in the USAHL, played that one year in the OHL,
and then he's been the HL and he's struggled to translate it. He's
done pretty well, but he's still not sure if he's going to quite contribute
at the NHL level. And I think that similar trajectory could be true for
Jaden Prawn. So someone that I'd be interested in taking in the twenties as
a flyer, as a decent upside guy, but also TEMPORARYR expectations because he's
small and those guys tend to have a hard time translating so it depends on
also how he does in college. He also can see like guys like Carter
Savoy who do really well in college and then they struggle to translate to the
pros, So that may be Jaden Pron's trajectory as well. We've given you
a lot of good news. Now, unfortunately we have to violate the principle
that if you don't have something nice to say about somebody, you don't say
anything at all, because we need to talk about some of the guys who
slipped in these last few minutes. The first guy, David Ryan Backer.
I think everybody's been talking about whether this pick was a reach fifth overall to
the Montreal Canadians, the top defenseman selected in this draft, Victor, Why
is David Reinbacher a reach and reach for fantasy reach for real hockey? I
don't know which you're thinking. Yeah, he definitely was a bit of a
reach, I think, especially because Montreal already has some pretty good defenseman or
even Kerry Price. That was classic. He was flabberg acid. I was
saying Kerry Price figured Mitch Coof's first name was David. Why am I saying
David David? David who David oh, David, Ryanbacker. You guys took
a defenceman. That's dumb. But yeah, I know, Hey, he's
a good player. He's going to be a player. He's gonna be like
a middle pairing guy, I think with decent ba and similar to what I
said about Simashev, I just think that there's less offense to to grow with
Ryan Bacher, and so that's my concern. I asked a couple of people
on the draft if he would command power play time on ice, and they
just laughed at me, like, no, that's not who he is.
So that's a bit concerning, right, especially for someone you're taking that high,
and as someone you want high in fantasy. So that's a bit of
the concern. And if you look at his comps on hockey prospecting, I
have in Provarov is one that I think is very appropriate, good size,
good mobility, decent all around, but does not command power play time and
doesn't have as high of an offensive upside because of that, And so that's
what I think you're getting in Ryan Bacher. Next, let's be pushed once
again in our faith in Stevey, because while Nate Danielson offers many great opportunities
for karate kid puns over the next few years. He doesn't seem to offer
quite as much fantasy value. Ninth overall, picked by de Froyd tell us
about Nate Danielson and why that may be a bit higher of a pick in
the real draft than it should be in your fantasy draft. Variety kid.
I love it. I love it. I also forgot to say that Ryanbacher
was fifteenth on my list, So fifth to Montreal, fifteenth on my list.
Yeah, Nat Danielson, I had him a bit higher. He's one
of these super high floor guys. I think he has very projectable traits.
Also, fun story. I rode with him in an elevator on the way
to do any interviews, and I was like, whoa this guy is.
He's actually pretty tall, but he didn't seem that big in person. So
it's interesting. But a super nice kid. I think he's super projectable to
be a center in the NHL, and I think that's what Detroit wanted.
We want a center. I think he's a middle sixth center. I don't
think he's the top sixth center, and that's part of the concern. I
don't know how much offense there is. You also have to remember that Nate
Danielson is literally one of the oldest possible prospects can be eligible for this draft.
He was just a few days away eligible from being last year's draft,
and so you have to keep that in mind too. He's much more developed
than a lot of these other guys, and so there just might be not
as much runaway to grow and that's a bit of a concern, and a
lot of the guys I talked to in Nashville, I moved him down because
they had a lot of concerns about just how much offenser is for Nate Danielson.
And so the projection in terms of hockey prospecting, the one I like
that seems to make the most sense as Matthew Perrow. And if you've been
playing Fantasy long enough, you know that Matthew pro was someone who had intermittent
relevance and there's some times where he had a good deployment and he was good,
and then he was irrelevant at times. And that might be Nady Danielson's
future. So the Karate Kid move him down your draft board. Guy who
came up a lot in the draft episodes with interviews with Peter particularly Daniel Boot,
who's an extremely fun name to save victors. So don't harsh my buzz
on this guy. But people kept saying what I think. People kept as
certain, Oh, yeah, this is a huge guy. He's gonna have
that huge guy game, and seem like all the scouts who talked about him
said, I don't know, that's not what to expect out of Daniel Boot.
Tell us about Daniel there's just a lot of raw potential with the nail
boot he has. He's huge, and he's got great hands. He's a
big dude, six five, two hundred, but he doesn't impose his will
physically. He doesn't lean into that asset, and I think Arizona is hoping
that he can. That's why they took him so high. I had him
thirty fourth. But I can see a scenario where we look back at this
and say, yeah, Daniel Boots the top fifteen player. It just all
has to go a ride for him. Jad Burke was convincing me a little
bit of extolling his virtues a bit. He's doesn't have the highest hockey prospecting
potential, but he does actually look a bit like Brady Kachuck. If you
remember Brady Kitchuck looked like not a star producer at all in his draft year,
and it was a bit surprising that he did what he did after that
because he stepped in the NHL and was like, bam, really good And
no, Boot is not going to do that. He has a way to
go developmentally. He still has to play a lot more KHL games and round
out some of his two weigh abilities. But I think there's a scenario where
you can see Boot really becoming more of a power forward. I don't think
he ever will be quite like Ko Chuck, but I think he could be
more like that, and his close and tight skills maybe get closer until Seman
Holmes from type and that's what you're hoping for, hoping you can mold him
into that. So a lot of potential upsides ifs ands and maybe's with the
nil Boot, But there's potential there, all right, Victor. In one
last guy you wanted to bring up in this section of the episode, Charlie
Strammel, who is is a Minnesota wildling who actually came from the University of
Wisconsin. Tell us about him and why he might be a guy who you
don't want to take at number twenty one, like the NHL team stint.
Yeah, he has a Minnesota guy. He played in high school there and
then went to the USNTDP and then he was old enough to start college because
he has one of the oldest guys in this draft. But he really struggled
at Wisconsin near you where you are there, and he didn't I think the
Wisconsin program was in a bit of shambles. From what I've heard. There
was a lot of difficulties with what was going on there, and I think
that was a big part of his struggles. I think he was getting mixed
messages of what to do, how to play, and that was tough for
him, and so he didn't score a lot. He played on the U
twenty World World Championship team, but he also didn't have the best role.
And I think if you just cut out this season, like if he were
injured, he would have gone top ten this year because of how well he
did last year and how excited people were for his production. So he fell
and I think that if you ignore a little bit of the struggles this year.
Yeah, he's a first rounder and there's a lot of potential there,
but also he could just be this bottom six banger, and that's what I
think people are concerned about, and that's why I moved him down quite a
bit on my rankings. So Charlie Stream will a bit of a risk.
I like the Minnesota took him, but I'm a little concerned that there isn't
a huge offensive upside there. But I'm willing to give him another year to
see if he can figure things out at Wisconsin. Yep. And there were
a couple of goalies high up in this draft. Do you want to make
any conversation about these goalies victors before we wrap up? Yeah? I would
just say that the goalies I would not really worry too much about unless you
have picks in the thirty to sixty range of your a draft, Like I
know a couple of leagues that I'm in, we don't even really have draft
picks beyond forty or so. In some leagues we do. And one of
the drafts that are completed, there were goalies going in the second round,
like in picks sixteen to twenty two, and that's way too early for me.
I would definitely take these forwards. All of these goalies are going to
be years, They're going to be five plus years, and so unless you
have a really strong five year plan for your fantasy team, I would not
consider any of these guys. I like guy On the best, and he
did go one of the first, and then Harrable, who I think has
a pretty good upside. He's huge, Arizona took him and he's got some
pretty high upside, probably the best prospect they have now. Guyane went to
Chicago, by the way, and so Chicago also they have Comesso, but
they could use some help. Augustine taking Detroit. He's actually my favorite goalie,
Troy Augustine. He's a little bit smaller, but I think just his
competitiveness and how smart he is, and I trust the development program to produce
good goalies and I like Trey Augustine for that. Biarnisson has the height and
some of the pedigree. Philly took him though, and so I don't know
what's happening with Carter Hart. I know there's the Team Canada investigation, so
I don't know. Maybe they know something already that we don't, and maybe
they're looking beyond heart. It's tough to say. Jacob Fowler going to Montreal
is really interesting. He's someone who maybe doesn't have the highest equivalency, but
I think he's really competitive and really smart, so I think he's someone who's
going to be pretty high up on their depth chart. They have. They
have Kayden Premoll. I don't know what he's doing, and then they have
Jacob Debash, who's also pretty exciting, so he's going to be a while.
And then they have this there's this Italian guy that went that. This
was surprising to me, Jesse. I had no idea. Damian Clara,
big guy, and I don't really know anything about him. But the Ducks
took him with a second round pick, which perks my interest because the Ducks
know how to pick goalies and I'm excited about that. These are all goalies
that if you have enough picks, just take them with like your third rounder
or something. But I wouldn't take any of them too early because you can
just find some random European goalie that gets signed and just that's my strategy for
goalies, so generally, don't worry about the ones that are drafted unless you
have a scar off or whilst at or someone like that. Yeah, there's
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