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is great again. Good choice, Wolfee. Thanks. I was looking for
something very like Olympics feeling, but I couldn't find nothing. It's very epic
feeling. Yeah, So Brian once knows anybody ever called you Wolfster? No,
because nobody called it, actually calls me Wolfie except for people on this
show. That's right. I'm spreading that nickname far and wide to a bunch
of people that will never meet you. But I think that calls you Wolfie
and Jason Jason calls you Wolfie. I've spread it to a few people.
It's because of you. I know, I know, I'm taking credible and
Brian goddamn Polk. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I used to call you
Brian, but then I realized that's the only one doing it Alward. Peer
pressure, peer pressure. Uh this last season, oh well, thanks Stan,
you just insulted Wolfie. Wolfie was high on his own supply with that
Brian compliment, and then Stay brings them back down. Right. I thought
the music last time was okay. Uh, everybody else seemed to really like
it. So yeah, Ryan says, well, now you're now you're the
wolf's are for me? The wolf is evolving, right, Yeah. You
used to be freak wolf back and or a teen wolf right teen wolf back
back in high school, and then when you turn twenty you had to change
it to freak wolf. Yeah yeah, and now you're just Wolfie. Yeah.
Cat says it's the perfect nickname. Yeah, sure, I agree.
That's why it's the only name I use. People can call me whatever they
want. Uh well, oh, Carlos is like big uncle sweet Tim.
Yeah. My nickname kept evolving and now it's in its final form, like
this giant nickname for I know, I kept I thought it would keep evolving,
but it seems like we just stuck with that. And that's fine.
I'll take it all right, Hey, Tim, Yeah, tell us about
this episode that I know you're a big fan of. Hey, you know
the episode on the Bat. I just don't like the cliffhangers. That's my
whole thing. And yes, I'm always looking for a reason to not do
the podcast. So early this morning, when when it had not dropped yet
on Paramount Plus I was I was like, hey, guys, we're gonna
to cancel, and then it was up like a few minutes later. H
R says, what's old and grumpy Wolfy called Team Wolf and freak Wolf?
Now it's just Wolfy because that means old and grumpy. Yeah, simple people
are thrown out. Carlos says, remember Crawdaddy, Tim, I don't remember
that one specifically, but I remember it. It morphed a lot for a
few weeks or months, and then we settled into this one. I like
them. I like them all. Crawdaddy, Yeah, just threw out a
beware Wolf's Carlos says, I'll take your place if you don't want to do
it. Tim deal, all right, him officially retired from the show.
Like right now, I'm gonna eat my edible and go to bed, So
Carlin call no, I'm kidding all right. This episode is episode five.
It's called Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Starts as every episode does,
with the players coming back into the house fresh off of the elimination. This
time it's Jody and Benja or ben Ha still not clear about that. Um.
They've just won their elimination, so everyone is pretending like they're excited for
them, but in their confessional they say that the game's getting boring. There
are the ones that are being targeted them and Kelly, Anne and Tristan,
and that it's time for change, that we need some new people that are
being targeted here. Good news, guys. This episode starts off fresh out
the gate with a slow motion workout montage. Yeah to meet it for this
episode, yep. I was hoping i'd see some people on stationary bikes and
throwing kettle balls, and I saw it all. Yeah enough to say about
that, I guess. Um. Zara mentions just sort of offhand that she
has dyslexia, uh, and then it never came back around. Are we
going to see this dyslexia thing come into play later this season or why else?
Why why else would they mention this won't come back? No? She
just needed something for this episode. Um, who knows? We don't know?
I guess that's true. What'd you say, Zachy care about her?
M? I still didn't get that. You sound like a robot? So
did you get it, Wolfe or does it sound like a robot to you
two? I think you said they needed something to put on for people to
care about her. Oh, I see, it is true that we don't
have much to care about her. I'm not sure if dyslexia makes me care
about her anymore, But there you go. We get Grant and Emily.
They're on the Austie team. If you're like me and have a hard time
remembering who's on what team, they're talking about how they've sort of we've got
set up a sort of a semi alliance with the USA team. This episode
was kind of revealing about like all of the sort of politics on the back
end and alliances with who and teams partnering up with teams. What do you
guys think about this? Generally? Do you like all this talk? Um?
I would if it actually sort of amounted to anything. It seems like
all these alliances that we'll find out too throughout this episode that it's just sort
of like, oh, everybody's got an alliance, now nobody has an alliance.
Yeah, well, it seems like it has been a big impact on
this episode, right, because it's it ties up the nomination process. Spoilers
Stanzas tell Zach to pause his porn downloading during the show. You know what,
Zach, you might maybe we should turn off our video Wolfe. That
might improves X situations. I don't know, you think it would? All
right? Well, anyway, so the Grant and Emily, they're the Aussie's,
they're uh, they're talking about like just sort of strategy and everything,
and Kiki walks by and almost immediately like the tone changes and Grant calls her
an airhead and he's really worried about Keki. He says that she can get
pulled in other directions and influenced and sometimes carry on like a pork chop?
Wolfie, can Keiki carry on like a pork chop? I don't what,
Zach completely miss did you miss this part? I guess she definitely can carry
on like a pot, like a pork chop. Yeah, Wolfe had like
the little caption underneath it and everything it like sorry said it as you're saying
it means act foolishly. It's like an Aussie slang term or something. But
I really wasn't paying attention. Yeah, clearly, Uh, well, Kiki
is paying attention. How about that segue. She's thinks that if she's not
part of these strategy talks, that they're actually plotting against her in these strategy
talks. Does she have a point? Guys? Are they strategizing against Kiki?
I don't think they are at this very moment, but I know I
do think kind of like Durrell told her later, like down the line they
might be, but right now they're good. I think. Yeah, I
think she's at the bottom of the Australian Alliance, but she's still part of
it just because she's from Australia. But it seems super clear that she's at
the bottom. It does seem like if a push comes to the shop,
she's going to be the one that they're all going to turn on. Yeah,
And it seems like this is the episode where the people at the bottom
are sort of figuring it out. So Kiki, Jody, Kelly, Anne,
they're sort of they all know that they're at the bottom and that they're
at risking. So maybe they can get further if they can have pulled together,
all right, and so we get the first of many of these political
talks. We get West talking to Jordan because they both know that right now
they're throwing in sort of the easy players. If the strategy changes and they
start focusing on these bigger name players, they're at risk. So they need
to figure out how to keep the heat off of them. West thinks the
best way to do that is to come up with a third person to throw
in. Just in case Jody and Benja or Kelly and and Tristan either win
or lose this elimination. They need to have a third name sort of prepared
to say, otherwise everybody's gonna starts scrambling and whatever. This seems like a
good plan, right, Zach, What do you think? I think?
So, you know, I think you always got prepare for any inevitability.
So you know, if you're only thinking like two names, anything can happen
that takes one of the occasion and then you're you're just scrambling and the mistakes
could be made. Right. Uh yeah, Well that kind of sums up
West's strategy. He's just trying to keep big names off of people's lips,
and that does not go well for him this episode. No, it does
not. Next scene we get Bananas. He's talking to Danny and Sarah.
It seems like he's trying to joker oh jokers here. Finally, it seems
like Danny and Sarah are openly sort of picking on the legends, openly sort
of targeting the legends, And this is Banana's attempt to sort of smooth things
out and just sort of let them know, like, hey, we have
personal connections in this house, but you know we're partners and we won't stab
you in the back all the stuff. Well, if how how impactful is
this talk from Bananas, would you say? I don't know. Banana is
always talking out of his ass just to save himself, so this is just
more of the same. Sure, yeah, it seems that way to me
too, Zachie Bananas. Do you have a different takeaway? Is this awesome
strategy? No? I know, I I think you know Bananas is right,
Like, as long as you believe that these will be your partners or
your team all the way down to the end. If you think there's a
switch up where it might go to like, you know, two teams of
like eight or becomes an individual game, then it's dumb to just stick with
your team. But if this is Ryde or died to the end like this,
I think Bananas has a good point of just trust us. We'll get
you to the end and then fight it out. Yeah, but you know,
like what, like what Danny is saying, it doesn't matter if you
get to the end. You want to win this thing, and if you're
going against Bananas and Jordan, you have a lot less of a chance to
win. Then if you're going against Tristan and Troy, I don't know,
I'm just throwing out random names. You're just like, I'm sure these people
are on the show. I don't know they are. Tristan and Troy are
on the show. I'm just I just don't know how well they compete against
like a Jordan and Bananas. But you know, I still think you should
go and get somebody new, newer, and so yeah, I would want
Jordan out of the house too, Like that seems obvious to me and Bananas
and so yeah, Banana's it's it's self preservation. He may have a point,
but it's clearly self preservation, and I don't think it sways Danny and
Sarah for one millisecond here to the point, like, I don't even think
you should have mentioned it. I think it makes him look stupid trying to
talk him out of it. Yeah, Danny seems like he has his own
strategy that he's working on. You should probably just not tell other people anything.
I think, Yes, I do think that's right. Yeah, he
clearly has his own strategy. The Legends will never go along with it because
they are, you know, they are the strategy to kick out the Legends.
So if this is the plan, Danny and Sarah are sort of on
their own. They've got to get more support from non Legend people. Speaking
of Danny and Sarah, yeah, this is when they have their conversation where
they're just openly saying, yeah, we need to get the Legends out of
here. We need to get like the really strong players West Jordan and Bananas
seem to be who they're mainly talking about here. All right, we get
over to Casey and Justine. They're talking about game stuff. I guess a
fucking Nannie. Well, all right, I'm normally I'm not talking about fucking
Nannie, but you know, if we're talking about Nannie, So Wifie,
I'm normally on your side about this. I hate relationship talk. I will
I'm about to hate the Jordan and Tory stuff a little bit later in this
episode. I do not care about Casey and Nannie. I think they are
boring. Um but I like Casey this season for the first time ever,
I think, yeah, I don't. I either don't know who she is
or I don't like her, And this time it's like, Okay, she's
cool, she seems she seems cool. Maybe maybe I just don't like her
with Nannie. Maybe that's my deal. Yeah, yeah, it is possible.
So y'all is the first time she's not there. I do I hate
relationships. You're right when her Bailey got a big shotting match that was kind
of fun. Oh yeah that was fun. Yeah I like that. Um
well, Casey does say that she and Nanny are talking about starting a family
and that that's expensive, so they need to win. Even though Casey's won
several times, it seems like Casey should have plenty of money. She won
Big Brother, she's won on the Challenge. Yeah, it seems like she
should be fine in my opinion, But you know, what are you gonna
do. This is when Justine tells Casey that Ben Joker says, calling my
shot, Johnny's gonna bending Casey's sperm donor. Oh god, that's exactly what
we need on this show for sure. I love it. Um. Justine
talks about how Ben is sort of a flip floppy guy. He flip flopped
on Survivor, he flip flopped on Challenge USA. Zach as the Survivor fan
in this in this podcast, has been a big flip flopper. Did he
do that frequently on Survivor? Is this part of his game? No?
I think Survivor he is actually pretty loyal. I mean his first season,
his entire tribe like flipped on him because they saw he was too big of
a threat to win. So his alliance wanted to get him out early and
he just had to win his way to the end. And the second time
he played, he literally stuck by Sarah the entire time. In the final
five, he voluntarily quit the game so she could go forward and try to
win. Yeah, it is, And it's weird that him and Sarah are
sort of at odds this season because yeah, he made a big sacrifice for
her. You'd think that she would want to pay him back for that or
something, you know, owe him something. I guess that's what I mean
to say, you would think so, Yeah, Joker says they almost all
flip flop on Survivor. Yeah, flip flopping is part of Survivor. It
sort of is expected. I don't think he had a big reputation for being
a constant flip flop on Survivor, but he certainly wasn't challenge USA. So
we get Bananas and Ben talking. They're sort of like bonding over similar styles
of games and how they both have a bad reputation, but they both say
it's unearned. We'll feed do are they're bad reputations unearned? What do you
think? Who are you talking about? Bananas and Ben? Oh? Ben,
I don't know. I've only seen him on one season's Survivor. Bananas
has definitely earned his bad reputation, even without the Sarah stuff. Just we
watched the Island and him saying if I had to listen to him call somebody
a dumb bitch one more time, Jesus Christ. Yeah, he definitely I
think Bananas has earned his bad reputation. Yeah, and uh, Ben has
two and he's about to earn it some more in this uh this year episode.
Yeah, this episode isn't good for Ben. No. All right,
So that's it, guys. We are onto the challenge. This challenge is
called Flying Around Round. You guys have all seen the episode. I don't
need to talk about it. You guys know how this thing works. It's
kind of a dumb challenge. Really, Why do you think it was dumb?
I don't know. I feel like it sounds good on paper, but
in execution, I was just like, oh, this is this is this
is not really that exciting, just going around as a circle on a crane
hoping to catch a ring now and again and throw it into the box.
Yeah, Zach, was that your impression to hear too? Yeah? I
thought it seemed exciting at first, but then like after the first round,
when they like started showing the secon round, I was like, okay,
I'm done with this, Like, can we just fast forward to the end.
That's kind of where I was at too. Yeah. I thought the
first part was really cool. I see him swing it around up there and
you know, figure out the timing to catch the rings, and after watching
twelve pairs of them, it's like, all right, Yeah, I'm done.
I don't need to keep watching this. Lots of people in the chart
room though, so they loved it, Yeah, a little bit. Best
part what's the best part of the challenge him, Oh well, well let's
get into that. So before they actually swing around on the cranes, they
have to drink a smoothie, their new thing on the challenge. I don't
understand it, but they don't tell us what these gross things are. I
don't understand why they don't tell us what's in these things. We gotta hint
this time, somebody, I think Grant maybe says that it's garlic and chili,
so we have some sort of idea of what's in there, but I
don't know. It was weird. So basically, you've got two minutes to
drink these shakes. You gotta drink them all. You cannot throw up.
If you can't drink them, or if you throw up, there's penalties.
Although he doesn't tell you what they are up front, and I guess that's
the whole thing with us. I know, I'm I like these eating challenges.
Turns out I don't like them if you can't puke. I like the
puking exclusively no puking. I'm out, I don't want any of this,
Scott says, yeah. Scott says it would have been better if they were
all throwing up the stuff they drank while they were spinning around. Yes,
it would have splattering their partners with vomit, dark black vomit from that shake.
Yeah, that'd be awesome. Now do you think if they had puked
during the spinning part, do they still get the penalty or like once TJ
moves them to that part as the no puking roll over with. I don't
know, but we need to talk about these penalties because they are they are
bullshit. No. The penalty basically is, if you don't drink your drink,
five point penalty, if you throw up your drink two point penalty.
So far, I'm on board. Like those penalties make sense to me.
Yes, but Amber couldn't drink her drink. She kept throwing it up and
so she also didn't finish it. So they gave Amber a seven point penalty.
Uh yeah, and west and Weston's are only at a five point penalty.
In what world does this make any fucking sense at all? I don't
know. I'm with you. I was on board until that happened. I
figure, yeah, if you don't finish, that should overrule the two minute
penalty totally. Yeah, I think Amber should have gotten a two point penalty
for throwing it up because she drank it looked like about half of it,
maybe maybe a little more, but she gave it her best shot and for
her to get more of a penalty than Wesson's are who just put their their
glasses down? That's like a fuck that? What is that? Yeah?
That's Scott. Scott and Carlin are all pointing out. In the chat room.
Amber does drop that she's been sick for a couple of weeks. Yep.
Maybe maybe it's her morning sign that's kicking in. Yeah, yeah,
a sense of taste is probably overwhelming. Yeah, it's bizarre. How I
mean, like, we know Amber's pregnant. Now we don't know if she's
pregnant at this point. I guess they'll probably find that out. But if
she is pregnant, how many fucking times are we going to cast pregnant people
on this show. It's unbelievable to me. You can get pregnancy tests of
the Dollar store. They should have every single female have to pass a pregnancy
test to get into the house. They just should have to do that.
Why are they not doing that? It seems like they should, Like,
before they go on the challenge, you have to for like a physical,
you have to make sure you take a pregnancy tests. Yeah, if they're
not doing that, that's really stupid and is a huge liability. They are
clearly not doing that because it happens all the time that people are taken out
of the game for being pregnant. I don't know, it's really unbelievable to
me. But all right, So back to this challenge thing. Wessons are
there in the first round and they just basically say, no, we're not
going to drink this drink. We're just gonna take the penalty. We're going
to assume that we'll make it up by throwing the rings, and that's it.
They don't even try, so we know how this works out. It
does not go well for them. But is this a bad strategy just sort
of like on its face, or is there is there something here that could
possibly make sense. I think in the moment, I thought it could be
a smart choice. You know, now, having seen the challenge play out,
I think it's dumb. But like, if you have confidence that you
can land a ton of rings. I mean, we saw Amber come back,
you know, from a seven point deficit, so it's definitely possible.
I just think west overestimated his ability to throw it in and his partner's ability
to throw it to him. Yeah, I think so too. We've seen
West do this, you know, he did it famously on his Fresh Meat
season. They didn't try to do the little obstacle courses things during the I
forgot they call those fucking not the eliminations, but whatever they call the eliminations
that season. Ryan says, with as often as the women are getting boned
while on the show, they should be testing them weekly and and all of
them for STDs. That's right. Uh yeah, Joker says, West was
simply being West. I think that sums it up. West does this shit
all the time. He will take a penalty and assume he can make it
up, and sometimes he does. And when he makes it up he looks
like a genius, and when he doesn't, like tonight, he looks like
a fucking idiot. Um. But so they end up taking five point penalties
only getting two rings in, so their total is actually negative three points.
Yeah, um, all right, and really for the rest of the the
this challenge, I don't know, nothing ends up mattering. No now Amber
and who the fuck is her partner? Try? Remember they had naked of
seven? Yeah well yeah, like Zach said, they were able to come
back. So that so West's score was still really shitty because he sucked.
Yep. Yeah it was Johnny Bananas. He did pretty well well, he
didn't do good enough to win. That's right, Zach, you set yourself
up for that, that's right. I think Bananas was second place, but
Keiki and Durrell won it. Yes, so okay, so that's it for
the challenge. We're back at the house. We get Bananas, Casey and
Tory. They're all talking strategy and from their perspective, they think it's smart
to nominate two Aussie teams that would be john A and Grants and Yes and
Emily to break up the Australian Alliance. Good move, bad move? What
do you guys think? I see their point. They're like, well,
a really good player is in, that was a good time to send another
really good player in so we can get at least one good player out.
Yep, so makes sense completely. I mean I thought it was a bad
move because I agree like if you have a good player and throwing another good
player, But for everyone except Tori, it seemed to make sense to throw
in Jordan and keep the US, like the Australia thing strong. Yeah,
I wonder, I mean it seems like Bananas kind of once Jordan there two,
I would have thought more people would be targeted Jordan. I thought like
sort of, Tory would be the only one in the side. Why is
Jordan not being targeted by the other big players like Wes and Bananas. I
mean, I think it's kind we've seen them talk about like, you know,
once one of us gets targeted, it opens a floodgate for the rest
of us to get targeted. But also feel like it's you know, right
now, you know, like the only loyalty US has is Australia. So
if you burn that, I feel like you could easily find yourself with US
versus the other three teams. Yeah, but if the other teams are weakened,
that's okay, right, I mean, if the US still has all
four and the other teams don't, I guess it depends on who wins the
challenge. You know, we've seen john days one like two out of the
you know, two challenges in the road to start the thing out. So
like, we know she can win, and if you piss off the off
season, then she wins next week. Then you have two Americans in there,
right, Yeah, as long as the House can get their act together
and nominate the Americans, right, which is you know who knows that's true?
Yeah? All right, so does Johnny's on the American team, So
fucking of course nobody wants to nominate anybody from American team. Some stupid all
right, so we get Danny. He's talking to Ben and this is where
Danny's really kind of he kind of throws out his whole strategy. He says
that he wants to do the ass's, but he wants it to be Jordan
and Kaz going in. And they think that if they volunteer Grant and john
A that then there will be no choice for Keiki and Durrell. They will
have to throw in Jordan and Kaz. I'm not gonna pretend like I know
all the dynamics. I didn't watch any of these seasons, But does that
make sense to you guys this whole thing. Yeah, because Jordan and kaz
are UK not Australia. Yeah, oh okay then that yes, that clicks
man. These accents are similar to Do'm American like me? And their flags
are similar too. Good Lord, I know I'm stupid. What can I
say now that you've even you've even been to the UK? Tim, Come
on, I sure have and I that's but yeah, I don't know anything,
all right. This is where Danny Ryan wants to know. If we
think Jordan West Bananas made a pact that they wanted to run a final against
each other, maybe that could make sense why they're all sort of looking out
for each other, sort of made the best man win type of situation.
Get three of the best players ever play the game running the same final.
I think we could see that. But I also think, you know,
even if they'll make that specific tact, you know, there's just that long
running history of you know, you kind of look out for the ogs and
you know, protect each other. Yeah, I mean I get that,
but when somebody is such a dominant player, like I mean, like any
of them, you would think at some point you've got to target each other
if you want to actually win the game instead of winning the next game.
You know, it just seems like they're always looking at the next game instead
of this game. But this is where Danny tells Ben that really the only
way this plan can go wrong then that the wrong plan being that Jordan avoids
elimination, is that if Ben and Casey flipflop, that's legit the only way
that this can that this cannot work, which sort of sets up the Ben
betrayal Later this episode, Now we get a conversation between Jodey and Kelly,
and they're just talking about being at the bottom. They're sort of commiserating about
being at the bottom and sort of starting some talks it seems like about maybe
working together. What do you guys think. Do they have a path to
work together, pull in a couple more teams, put something together here,
or are they really just sort of odd men out with nowhere to go.
I don't really know. So many new people I can't sort of manage to
figure out, like, oh, they could pull these people, and they
can pull these people in, like I don't know, Yeah, attract the
alliances. Yeah. I feel like down the road there's a chance for all
the like underdogs to come together. But I feel like for right now,
it's really just there's two sides, and they're gonna be on the bottom of
both sides, So it's which one do they feel they can like advance further
up the totem pole with. Yeah, that's pretty well exactly what Jody says
in one of her confessionals. She's just like, I'm at the bottom.
I know it. I can join these other alliances and stuff, but I'm
always going to be at the bottom. So it seems like her goal is
to sort of figure out where she can be more at the top or more
sort of in the middle of a pack somewhere. But I think for now,
yeah, I think Your Rights Act. She just has to I mean,
both of them, they just have to write it out. They just
have to hope to get lucky and hope to maybe win one. I hope
things can sort of shift around on their own. I don't think they can
pull much together here. All right with that, guys, we are onto
the vote. So the votes are total clusterfuck. Um starts off super awkward.
Nobody wants to talk. It's really uncomfortable. UM, I don't know,
do we need to go through number my number and say who voted for
who? I'm gonna say no, No, we don't No, I don't
know, Tim. Are you kind of anxious about it? Am I anxious
about it? Yeah? Do you know what to help with your anxiety?
Oh? Yes, I am very anxious about it. What can I do
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for it. Okay, so the vote doesn't really matter. Let's just be
relnest about this. The only part that matters is at the very end,
the last people to vote are Tory and Danny. Paramount plus did not do
us the pleasure of tallying these votes for us, so we have no idea
who got how many votes, but I did the honor of going through and
counting for us. At the end of the day, Grant and John A
got seven votes, so they are definitely going in. But Jordan and Kaz
got four as well as Emily, and yes, they also have four at
this point, and so there is a tie and then plus John A and
Grant. And so this is when Tory um just says to Danny, like,
here's the deal. It's a tie, but it doesn't have to be.
If you throw in Emily and Yes, then they will go in with
Grant and John A. But if you don't, then it's gonna be a
tie. And who knows what's going to happen with the tie, Um Wolfie.
Does she have a point or is this just trying to save Jordan?
Um? I mean it could be both, because they really don't know what
happens when there's a tie, and everybody knows you don't want to tie on
the challenge. Um, so I mean, she had does have a point,
but you know, it does save Jordan, it does tie. I
do think it most Dan. You think it's mostly for Jordan. I do.
Yeah, I kind of do too, because I think if it wasn't
Jordan, I don't think Tory would care because Jordan's not a USA member.
It's really it's it's just because it's Jordan. Tory is a USA member.
Yeah, but Jordan's not. Oh gotcha, Yeah you said Tory. I
got confused. Oh sorry, I said they don't thing. Then, yeah,
Jordan's not. So it's I mean, they're not really in the same
alliance. I know they have each other's back, but he's not part of
the USA alliance, so he's sort of on the outside. So yeah,
it seems like she's doing this to say Jordan, which is fine, but
then Danny just sort of calls it as it is. Yeah. I did
like Jordan's speaking up. It's like, hey, you want to play the
challenge, to play the fucking child. Yeah, he's got a point,
so um yeah, So Danny just ties it up. He keeps it tied.
He's not going to move an inch, and that's it, guys.
It's a stalemate. Danny's pissed at Ben because Ben could have made this workout
and you know how it was supposed to, but Ben flip flopped. It
flashes back to a conversation where Ben clearly made Danny a promise he didn't keep.
Um, what do you guys think about this? This seems like it
exposes Ben. What do you guys think it completely exposes Ben? These are
going to be become a pretty prime target now. Yeah, for sure.
It seems like everybody's gonna start looking at him now for sure. Yeah,
even people that like, I mean, I guess if they're not in his
alliance, he you know, they're kind of done the for him anyway.
But literally everybody's like, oh well you can't trust them. He completely flopped
on everybody. Yeah, okay, yeah, And we actually to prove that
point, we'll be like, we have a lot of people saying that they're
going to target Ben every time now, right, Grant and Amber and all
these people are just saying, like, fuck Ben, this is not the
way that we are supposed to be playing this game. So we're back with
Durrell and Kiki and Wes and Zara. They're back in that room and the
computer screen just flashes stalemate. The crew could not reach a decision on who
to throw in, prompting many, many discussions on what the fuck could possibly
happen at elimination. Nobody really knows, and everybody is speculating on it and
trying to come up with other plans on how to how to combat this,
And so that's pretty well the rest of the episode. We have Sarah and
Emily. They're kind of making fun of Tory with this fake proposal thing and
saying that you know you didn't like this, why not? Oh fuck Sarah.
I know you don't like Sarah. But does she have a little bit
of a point here? Oh what does that have to do with anything?
Who cares? I think I think she makes a good argument. I think
the way they went about haunting it and making fun of it was unnecessary.
Yeah, maybe it seemed a little Caddy and petty, I guess the way
they the way they were sort of making fun of it. But I think
she I think they have a point that this alliance between Tory and Jordan is
very weird because they are not dating, they are not fiances. They are
x's and yet still each other's number one. So the whole situation is weird.
We've talked about that on this Sarah's just jealous because I'm sure her exes
were like, thank fucking Christ, I'm I'm an exevers, not currently with
her. You and you're Sarah hatred. I don't get it, um,
all right, So we get Sarah. She says that Ben has pissed off
the Ausse's and USA because Ben is sort of siding with the Legends now but
in the process has made himself a target of multiple alliances. H Wolfie,
do you agree with Sarah? Oh? Fuck Sarah, Zach do you agree
Sarah? I do agree with Sarah. Benn is bennets screwed. Well,
don't ever make her right. Ben is screwed. And in this next conversation,
we have Ben and Casey talking, and you can tell Casey's sort of
trying to say, like, Ben, what the fuck were you thinking?
And Ben just sort of says, well, I know I promised that I
would vote with USA, but I changed my mind. I'm just sick of
it, that's all I said. I'm just sick of it. Um.
Really weird sort of way to deal with this situation. What could he have
done? Better, Zach, What's what's his move here? What could Ben
have done to smooth things over? Um? To smooth it over? Once
it's done, I don't know. I play dumb and be like I misunderstood
the plan. Pull pull a Kyle right like, Oh, I didn't know.
Yeah, I don't think he has any course of action. He's completely
shown his cards and made himself to be an idiot in this game. So
yeah, I think that sums it up. Yep um. And you can
tell Casey. This is where Casey sort of shows her hand politically. She
also has no fucking clue what to do here. You'd think she would,
She's been around the block, she's a fucking champ on the show. Um,
but you can tell she's just sort of lost. She doesn't know what
to do. So in her confessional, she just sort of says like,
well, we're just gonna play it by ear and do the best we can
and hope for the best. So not much of a strategy, but maybe
the best that they can do at this point in the game. I'll assume
that that's a confirmative affirmative yeah, and then yeah, Grant and Emily,
they say that Ben and Casey will be their target every single time. Um.
Yeah, kikiS even okay with um turning against Australia. Alliances are just
crumbling in at the end of this vote. Yeah, everything's fallen apart,
Like it seems like nobody's agreeing with anybody who's supposed to be on the same
team. Yeah, it's kind of great, actually, I kind of like
it. It's a little a little chaos. Ryan says, uh, Ben
is, Ben is in with the Vets and has arguably the best woman in
the house. They're fine. Uh, And then he says they voted with
Johnny Jordan and that alliance. How is that bad? Bill says, I
don't think the country shit matters at all. Yeah, it's bad because he
lied. Um, I think that's kind of where it comes from. He
showed that he can't be trusted to keep his words, So that's that's why
it's bad. Yeah, I think Ben should should have been able to go
with the legends. It's just that he made too many promises with other people
and and that's it. I can't promise everything to everyone. Yep. Yeah,
he just kind of look at the two sides and like the kind of
the pecking order feel like, um bend a lot lower on the legend side
than he would have been if he stayed with like Sarah and Danny and them.
Yeah, I agree with that too for sure. A hard guys.
With that, we're into elimination. Yes, TJ comes out where the suit?
Would you guys stay of the suit? He's a Hall of Famer now,
yes, yeah, he's got dressed apart, he's looking sharp. He
brings out West and Zara. But then he says, since you have failed
to use your democratic process, that the stalemate has to be solved another way.
Wolfie, how does how is the stalemate solved this time around? Um?
Well, they're gonna make Durrell and Kiki choose, Yeah, just out
of anybody, which anybody which is which is not not what Durrell wanted.
He's not very happy with this choice because that means he's got to piss somebody
off and they might come back. Yeah. On that episode that he's talking
about playing in the background and laying low for a little while doesn't get much
more out in the open than this. Yeah, what do we feel?
Do we feel Durell's gonna try to make a good like two good teams go
against each other, so one of them leaves or is he just gonna be
like smaller team so that other people will back me up and not be mad
at me. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm worried about, that he
might pick like Kelly and and Tristan or a Jody and who's Jody's partner Ben?
Huh Ben? Yeah, because it's it's sort of his like uncontroversial and
they've been in and he doesn't make any additional enemies, and I kind of
hope he doesn't play it safe. I kind of hope he goes big.
I was gonna say before you brought that, that's exactly what I think he's
gonna do. Is I think he's get throwing the last Argentinian team and just
be like, hey, no blood on my hands. Yeah. I wouldn't
be too surprised, and that's unfortunate. I want to see Jody, but
what can you do? What do you sorry? It is possible that Jody
and Benja could beat Less, So yeah, depending on the game. For
sure. Jody's a really strong player, um and Benja looks strong too.
We just haven't I guess I haven't seen too much from him. How would
you what do you guys think about how this stalemate is solved though? Is
this like the good way to do it? What do you think will be?
Oh? No, I was hoping that Lesson Zara got to pick.
I feel like that would have been a better, better punishment for people not
picking, because now people know in the vote, oh, we can just
stalemate it and whoever won has to pick, right. That seems like an
easy out for the rest of the house. Yeah. I hadn't thought about
it and that in terms of future stalemates. But that's a really good point,
Zach, What do you think. I didn't mind the way they broke
it. I just didn't like the fact that we have had ended before we
saw who they picked, but fine with actual solution. So what I think
they should have done? I think West and Zara should have nominated two teams
that they wanted to see, and then Durrell and Kiki would have had to
pick from those two. Wouldn't that make more sense? That had been fun
too, I would like that, Yeah, yeah, because otherwise it feels
almost like a punishment for Durrell and Kiki to have to pick a team just
singularly out of the air. That doesn't seem like a great advantage, but
you can't let West and Zara just pick it, picks an opponent, because
then Durrell and Kiki have no power after winning a daily. So I don't
know, but I think that's a suitable punishment for the entire house because nobody
could decide on who just throw in. Yeah, And I do think it's
actually a benefit to Durrell because I mean, we can't saw it two major
sides draw like a line in the stand this week, and he was gonna
have to declare himself with the one side or the other. Now he can
just throw in like a little you know, like a Argentinean or someone and
be like, hey, I'm Switzerland, right Yeah, yep. So the
episode ends with Durrell saying, well, I guess we gotta go with and
then fade to black. So he'll finish the sentence next week. I guess
we'll see how he finishes that sentence. And that's the episode. Guys.
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thought it had turned off. Many times they discussed totally different shows like Daisy
of Love. I fast forwarded to halfway through, and after seven seconds of
silence, they still weren't talking about the challenge. I don't even know who
the hosts are. Maybe this isn't the official podcast, Well, yeah it's
it's not. Well, it's definitely not the officials. No, so this
is refer too when I fucked up and forgot to swap out the episodes.
Yeah, because yeah, they got they got the pre show, they got
the show, they got the after show. So during the pre show,
if you really listen, sometimes I do cut it off. Sometimes I don't.
Uh, is that when we're sort of waiting for people to show up
in the chat room. Sometimes we're busy setting stuff up, so we're not
even talking that much. Yeah, so I'm sure there's plenty of of dead
air during those times. Well, and I think unfortunately the one that you
put up the pre show is also where you couldn't hear Zach and I the
first couple of minutes, right, Yeah, just you talking to nobody,
Yeah, talking to the air. Yeah, and then we fixed the audio.
But yeah, whatever, Carlin says. Daisy of Love. I think
it got talked about a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, Daisy of Love
is an old reality TV show from VH one. What do you decide we'll
be early ots? Yeah that when that's when the Flavor of Love and Rock
of Love all that stuff was going on. Daisy of Love she was a
spin off of Rock of Love and I Love New York, I Love Important
One, I Love Money, I fucking loved I Love Money. Yes loves
the h one version of the challenge bringing personalities from all these shows into like
a competition show. Yep, Yeah, we actually named our daughter after Daisy
of Love. Did you really? Absolutely not? No, Okay, I
was gonna say that that's a trivia fact. I did not know. No,
but I do have a daughter named Daisy. But and I did watch
that show, but no, days they're otherwise unrelated, because I thought you
and ACTS used to watch that show. We did, no, but it
was actually, uh we named her from dead like me. Do you ever
watch that show? Oh? Yeah, okay, there was Daisy on that
show. And I don't know, we just liked the name. Not the
best way ever, but there you go. I thought maybe it was Daisy
Duck too, and Daisy Duke with the shorts. Well, if you named
your daughter after that, that might come across a little weird. Oh maybe
a little bit. But I did love Dukes of Pazzard growing up. That's
true, all right, Zach. Do we have any social media stuff?
Uh? Not too much. We got a couple of people just like bashing
Ben that are on the season and sometimes it randomly like scrolled upon while I
was looking earlier. As have you guys seen bears Twitter profile like bio?
No, what did it say? He changed it? It says the King
will return in twenty twenty four. He's a garbage. That guy sucks.
I thought he got longer than that. Didn't he get five years or something?
Did he? I thought it was a couple and I've been five years.
You know, once you do like maybe like good behavior time served all
that. I don't know how the UK laws work for like earlier, so
I've I've heard if you get good behavior you can shave off like half your
sentence over there. Yeah, well, he's a piece of shit. I
hope he stays in there forever too. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much
all I found. It's a slow social media week. All right, great,
well, thanks for listening to everybody, and uh, I guess we'll
wrap this up. We'll head into the after show. Everybody's favorite part,
love it? Yes? Um? All right, Well for this episode of
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