WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:08.679 It's time for coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:30.760 day. Now here's Nick coffee. All right, let's get our number two 3 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:37.119 here started with some football football football. I just saw this cross the timeline 4 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:41.439 here on Twitter? Are we still calling it twitter? I'm still calling it 5 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:43.799 Twitter, so am I and I don't. But I don't want to make 6 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.600 it seem as if like I'm doing it to like make a point. It's 7 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:50.520 just it's always gonna what I'm gonna refer to it as. But now I 8 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:56.200 am seeing there be a legitimate shift not to only call it X but like 9 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:02.079 formally known as Twitter, but E or Twitter now known as X Like, 10 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.959 you know, I just want to make sure people know what I'm talking about. 11 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.400 I'll never understand why the name was changed in the first place. Well, 12 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:11.280 I think it's just because, you know, because it's El and he 13 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.040 wanted to have his own thing. And to be fair, I actually think 14 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:23.280 Twitter is a stupid name. X is not much better, but it's been 15 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.959 It's it's been Twitter for so long. Like I don't think you just kind 16 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:32.519 of like snap your fingers and not call it that like Facebook they are now, 17 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.680 I guess like corporation wise. Aren't they called like meta? Yes, 18 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:38.280 Like I thought the app was going to be called something different and it's not. 19 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.560 But meta is I guess it's like the overlooking. It's kind of like 20 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:47.200 a parent company of a sense. And I guess now they have AI features 21 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.840 within Facebook to where you can like ask Ai something almost kind of like a 22 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:55.120 chat. Yeah, and they call it Meta, so you know, ask 23 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.879 Meta. So I still call it Twitter, but I just, you know, 24 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.319 want to make sure people know what platform I'm referring to. But the 25 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:07.439 teams with the highest percentage chance of winning the ACC this year according to the 26 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:14.240 ESPN Football Power Index the FPI, which the FPI is still around. It 27 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:19.039 is still used as a reference point by ESPN, of course because it's their 28 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:22.120 formula. But I will always go out of my way to let people know 29 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:27.280 if it gives you something that you're really excited about that you like to see, 30 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.520 meaning it favors your team, or maybe it doesn't favor your team and 31 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:35.360 you feel like it's nonsense, just know, like good or bad, this 32 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.280 thing has never been real reliable as far as like, I don't know what 33 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.360 their formula is. I'm not sure how they put it together. But they 34 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:45.360 need to go back to the lab of the analytics folks and retool some things 35 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:50.759 because it's never I mean, it does these percentage chances of winning, what 36 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:52.840 the score is going to be. I mean again, like the kin Pom 37 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:57.719 formula does that too for basketball, but the ESPNFPI it's you know, the 38 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.759 best example I can give you is that when LSU and Joe Burrow won the 39 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.919 national championship, I believe in twenty nineteen, they had arguably one of the 40 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.199 best seasons you'll ever have in college football as far as I mean they did. 41 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:12.759 They won it all and didn't lose a game, but they beat good 42 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.159 teams along the way, even in the non conference. So after they won 43 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:21.719 the national championship, they were ranked third in the ESPNFPI, behind the two 44 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:23.719 teams they beat in the College Football Playoff. Like that should tell you right 45 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:28.240 away, we gotta we gotta redo this. And maybe they have and it's 46 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:31.919 gotten better. But I always mention the FPI, letting people know or reminding 47 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:34.960 people what I feel about it, because I don't want it to turn into 48 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.520 where it's something that I think is great when it favors my team, and 49 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.039 that I think is nonsense, you know when it doesn't, But I think 50 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.599 it is still something that I shouldn't ignore, especially on this platform, because 51 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:50.000 here's the thing, it's the four letter network, it's ESPN, So you're 52 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.319 gonna see it mentioned all the time because again it's ESPN. The majority of 53 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.960 the games that we're gonna watch on college football, especially our teams here you 54 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.879 know around here, Louisville and Kentucky, it's gonna be on ESPN's when they 55 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:04.520 show your schedule over the next few weeks, and they've got that percentage next 56 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:09.680 to each game that is the FPI percentage chance you have to win, which 57 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.120 again doesn't really mean much of anything, but it's going to be in your 58 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.879 face a lot. So Clemson and Florida State have a better chance. At 59 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:21.240 Louisville, they're winning the the the acc according to the ESPNFBI twenty six point 60 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:26.079 two percent for Florida State, nineteen point three percent chance for Clemson, and 61 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:29.319 then Louisville comes in at number It comes at number three with a twelve percent 62 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.279 chance, and then after that you've got Miami at nine point nine and SMU 63 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:36.639 at nine, which is kind of a surprising thing. SMU was actually pretty 64 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:41.439 good last year in the American I mean for you know, for that for 65 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.639 that kind of team, And I remember thinking, okay, like that could 66 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.240 you know, because I don't think the ACC is some you know, juggernaut 67 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:53.199 type of league. I always thought there could be some teams like an SMU 68 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.240 that would come in and compete, not at the top, but like you 69 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.680 know, maybe they'll be slightly above middle of the pack because you know, 70 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.600 they're not terrible. But then they played Boston College last year in a bowl 71 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.160 game and got demolished, So maybe there will be a big jump there in 72 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:13.839 uh in competition. Also, since we're talking about the ESPN FPI, the 73 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:17.160 formula, I guess was I guess the numbers were released today. Here's what 74 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:21.480 it says. The ESPN's computer generated FBI is officially updated after transfer portal editions 75 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:29.040 and spring football, which how like, how can what what formula like if 76 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.480 you say transfer portal editions, that makes total sense because that's you literally, 77 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:36.720 I mean you're adding players or removing players post spring, that would that would 78 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:42.199 potentially impact the formula. But how how could spring football, like, how 79 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:46.759 could four or five weeks of spring practice in Lexington and Bloomington and Louisville. 80 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.839 How could a formula a computer fact? Like, what are they what are 81 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:55.279 they basing it off of? Right? Like it's silly, so uh they 82 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:00.199 they've updated it. However, they did that, and the top twenty five 83 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.519 does feature Louisville. Louisville is at number twenty one, Georgia number one, 84 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.959 Oregon number two, Texas number three, Ohio State number four, Bama number 85 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:12.480 five, Penn State number six, Notre Dame number seven, ou Is eight, 86 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.759 Tennessee nine, and Missouri ten. That's your top ten. The ACC 87 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.279 has it looks like four teams in it because you've got, yeah, you've 88 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:27.959 got four Florida State at eleven, actually five, Florida State at eleven, 89 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:34.000 Clemson at fifteen, Louisville at twenty one, Miami at twenty three, and 90 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:41.120 SMU at twenty five. So let's just say that played out, not that 91 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:46.879 exact order. But if the ACC consistently has five teams in the top twenty 92 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:50.759 five throughout the year, and by the time we get to the College Football 93 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:56.560 playoff rankings, you still have four or five that are in the mix, 94 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.800 and once you get closer to the final twelve, because it's not going to 95 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:01.759 be four, it's going to be twelve. Now, like, if you've 96 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.639 got two teams that look like that got a real chance of getting in, 97 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:09.560 am I am I setting the bar too low to say that that would be 98 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:15.079 really good for the ACC, because I mean if the play if the playoff 99 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:20.120 had been twelve teams for the last I don't know five years, how many 100 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:27.079 times would the ACC have more than one team? Probably not any right, 101 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.360 I mean Louisville of course, would have played themselves out of it with their 102 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:34.319 loss to Kentucky at the end of the season last year. You know, 103 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:41.720 I guess the COVID year in twenty twenty one, that was when uh or 104 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.160 was it twenty twenty It was twenty twenty. That was when we played with 105 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:48.040 like no fans, right, Yes, Indiana had a good year. I 106 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.800 think Pittsburgh was the best team in the league that year. If you remember 107 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:55.360 and the picket, Yeah picket, can you pick it? That? What's 108 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:57.720 the play that? Because he did it? Yeah? They changed the rule, 109 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.639 Yeah, they changed the rule. So I you know, part of 110 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.079 me says, hey, there's twelve, like, why can't you get three? 111 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.079 That's you know a fourth? Well, I mean the big ten and 112 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:16.519 the SEC are going to have more than anybody, I would say, and 113 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.399 then Big twelve, I don't know. I mean, so, I mean, 114 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.000 to be fair, there's just as many Big ten teams in the top 115 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.040 twenty five here as there are ACC teams. Yeah, you're right, a 116 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.759 lot more top heavy, but still the same amount. That's what I was 117 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.639 gonna say, is like that actually is at times ACC honks kind of telling 118 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:43.759 themselves because you'll have one week of college football playoff rankings that has five ACC 119 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:50.480 teams in it or four or something, and it'll be Florida State at number 120 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:58.879 five, Clemson at number I don't know, twelve, and then twenty one 121 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.320 through twenty five will have two, two or three ACC teams and then the 122 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.200 next week they're all gone because they lost, you know. So it's like, 123 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:09.799 you know, I think anytime you are in the playoff rankings when they're 124 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.480 live, meaning once they've been unveiled like that, that means something for your 125 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.440 program. Now again, if you're in there for a few weeks but you 126 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.879 never end up making it, that's gonna be tough. But like being in 127 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.279 those weekly rankings does give you a legitimate feel for where you are and where 128 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.080 you stand because and you can disagree with where you are, but at the 129 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.240 end of the day, that's the people who put those together. Those are 130 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:33.720 the ones who will decide who in fact makes the college football playoff. All 131 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:35.200 right, it's coffee and company. We are feel about Thornton's here on Sports 132 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.200 Talk seven to ninety. Appreciate you hanging out with us. I uh want 133 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.399 to, I guess reset for those of you that are just now joining us. 134 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.440 We did talk about the Colemanhawkins what do you call it? Situation recruitment, 135 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.200 And I feel silly even bringing it up continuously, but I think it 136 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.159 is something fans were talking about over the weekend. But I think it's because 137 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:03.559 they felt they got a signal from Pat Kelsey that really wasn't a signal. 138 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.200 That's just what I believe. Nobody's told me that for sure from the inside. 139 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.679 But Colemanhawkins. It all started when he sent out in the tweet that 140 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:16.919 he later deleted that showed him and former high school teammate Big Frank, who 141 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.159 transferred from Frank Islam, who transferred from Georgia and also played at Syracuse. 142 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.799 Prior to that, they were teammates at Prolific prep whenever they were in high 143 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:30.399 school. And once Big Frank had shared like the official announcement that he has 144 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:35.799 joined the program, they made an official aspect with all these players. Colemanhawkins 145 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.879 shared that and then shared the picture of them two together and said hey, 146 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.279 Frank then later deleted it, and I thought him quickly deleting it might have 147 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:48.000 meant that he was being a little too obvious about potentially trying to just make 148 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.279 it appear that Louisville is involved here, and he's trying to maybe drive up 149 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.960 the price, or maybe he wants Louislle to be involved because you know, 150 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.240 they have money. I don't know, But then it turned into, you 151 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.480 know, a day later that Louisville is and I don't think this was like 152 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.879 officially reported by anybody, but truly Donovan, I mean, that's about as 153 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:07.159 official as you're going to get when it comes to these kind of things, 154 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.120 players in the portal and who's recruiting him, nil that kind of stuff. 155 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.519 You know, he mentioned that Louisville. I mean, they'll they will make 156 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:18.440 it work, like if they can go get somebody that they feel will help 157 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.639 them. They have a plan. Don't know what the plan is. But 158 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.759 the scholarship limit is not going to be an issue for them, And I 159 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.039 really don't I've been trying to think, like what could it be that would 160 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:33.120 make them feel I mean, like what is there Like pulling somebody off scholarship 161 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.559 just doesn't seem like realistic. Not only would it not be a cool thing 162 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:39.480 to do, but like I don't I mean, yeah, so I'm a 163 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.960 little confused as far as like what it is they would end up doing. 164 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.600 I know some people are thinking, well done, Nick, the nil would 165 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.879 make it to where they could just pay to go to school. Nobody would 166 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:50.559 do that, Like that's not I mean, I know that's an example of 167 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:56.639 people thinking that the nil numbers are actually what people claim they are. Right, 168 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.879 a full year, you know, for go to school at u of 169 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.759 L and pay every dime of your of your expense. We're talking, you 170 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.279 know, meal plan. I don't know if you'd have to pay I mean 171 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.919 if you live in if you're a walk on and you're paying for tuition and 172 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:18.799 you live in what used to be called Minoriti Hall, are you still are 173 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:20.600 you paying to live there too? Like is that considered room and board, 174 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.120 because I mean it is for the typical student. Well, no, it's 175 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.720 not because the typical student couldn't live in Minorty Hall because it's the basket, 176 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.399 but it's still dorm. So I don't know how they Yeah, Like, 177 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:31.279 I don't know how they were, Like, I don't know how they work 178 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.519 that out. But yeah, I just don't think that's realistic. And if 179 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.519 it was, you would have already seen people doing it, meaning like nil 180 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.159 still relatively new, but if you could get around the scholarship limit by nil 181 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.240 paying for these guys to go to school, others would already be doing it. 182 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:48.600 So I don't know what their plan is, but they'll go get somebody 183 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.440 if they feel like that that somebody can help them. And even if it's 184 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.200 not Colemanhawkins we talked earlier, there's a kid from the twenty twenty four class, 185 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.600 a freshman to be that has mentioned Louisville as a school that is still 186 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.440 you know, reaching out to him, and that's Jamari Phillips. So I 187 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.320 don't know what's gonna happen with Colemanhawkins. But Pat Kelsey, he tweeted out 188 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.120 something on Friday that I don't believe was like a mistake. I don't think 189 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:15.600 you know, I wouldn't categorize this as well. He learned, he really 190 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.279 learned how to not you know, mislead fans on social media. And I'm 191 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.919 not really sure if anybody's saying that, but people do get their hopes up. 192 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:26.039 But that's just because we're crazy. That's because we are We are intoxicated 193 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.600 with the buzz that Louisville basketball has right now with this new era, a 194 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.320 lot of good players that he's added to the portal. I mean, he's 195 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.360 done a lot to energize the fan base to where, you know, this 196 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.679 would be monumental. So I think just the thought of it being potentially him 197 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:43.039 hinting that Coleman Hawkins might be in the mix, it got people a little 198 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:45.519 worked up. It was also eight forty five on a Friday. Maybe people 199 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:48.799 had a little a little booze to go with it, and that just you 200 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:54.240 know, enhanced the excitement there. But here's what he tweeted. And again, 201 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.440 like I don't I don't see this in any way as something that like 202 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.120 he was wrong for doing, because he just I mean, I guess if 203 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:09.200 you look at his Twitter account, he rarely tweets unless it is about a 204 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:16.799 commitment and it says the revival or he posts one of the animated jifts and 205 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:22.519 you know, post the Zach Bryan revival iTunes app or Apple Music link, 206 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:24.720 like that's kind of been his signal. He did post some pictures on Derby 207 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:26.759 here I can see, and then he did post the picture with his parents 208 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.440 at Porchenese, which I'm telling you, in no way that was a random 209 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.919 coincidence. The more I think about that, like, there's just no way 210 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.919 like that he didn't know what like what people who are Louisville basketball fans kind 211 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:41.000 of are, you know, probably not kind of they do they think of 212 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.879 when they think of Porchenese, they think of what we know Porcinese for other 213 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.679 than being a great restaurant that serves great Italian food. We all know what 214 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.799 happened on the table at Porcinese many years ago. But anyways, you know, 215 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.320 he tweeted out Joker and the Thief if you know, you know, 216 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.879 the revival and then the fire emoji. It's not crazy to think that he's 217 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.840 now learning sort of what that song is to Louisville basketball fans, and for 218 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.960 those who don't know, it's the song that is played in the second half. 219 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.399 I believe right after the final television time out, and it's what gets 220 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.679 the place rocking. Former players who've gone on to play, you know, 221 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:18.960 an NBA arena as Donovan, Mitchell, Mantres, Harrold or two guys specifically 222 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.600 that I remember at times mentioning. In fact, it was Donovan who really 223 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:28.919 kind of gave it some added life. Is he asked somebody on Twitter, 224 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.600 man, what's that song they used to play after the final time out? 225 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.320 Like that place When that song would play the place the Ump Center, the 226 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:37.200 roof would come off. So that kind of made people even more so I 227 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:43.159 guess embrace it as like wait till they play it. Then you know the 228 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.759 run is coming. The fans are going to be crazy. So maybe Pat 229 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:48.320 Kelsey just learned about that and thought, okay, that's cool. Joker and 230 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:54.120 the thief, Like you know, I don't think that means he was insinuating 231 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.039 anything about a player, because again, when he has given us the signal, 232 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:03.120 it's been pretty consistent. Not not every time does he include the Apple 233 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.039 Music album for Zach Brian who has a song called Revival, but he always 234 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:15.080 says the Revival and if it's not the link for Apple Music it's the seven 235 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.440 second video that I guess UFL Marketing has created that you know, has the 236 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.480 dunkin Cardinal Bird, has him walking in, you know, to his press 237 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.000 conference when he was introduced. So people may have got their hopes ub but 238 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.639 like, I don't think it's anybody's fault. I just think that's we are 239 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.679 right now. We're I don't want to say on edge, but we've been 240 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:38.840 so desperate to be excited about something, and he's given us a lot of 241 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.559 things to be excited about at this point. But let's be real, Colemen 242 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:47.039 Hawkins would automatically be viewed by some as the best player on your team. 243 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:51.879 So I think that would make it to wear. And again, some people 244 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:52.879 don't care, And I get it if you don't care, right, like 245 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:59.559 what people are saying in the off season about Louisville generating buzz to potentially be 246 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:00.559 a top two tenty five team, to be a tournament team, Like, 247 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.039 I actually think the way people talk about you does matter until you actually get 248 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.559 a chance to go play, right, because that can dictate the momentum and 249 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:11.440 expectation and all that kind of stuff. So I think if Coleman Hawkins was 250 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:18.160 eventually added to the Louisville roster. I think you would be viewed by people 251 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.839 as a top twenty five team preseason that probably currently have you like right outside 252 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.119 or maybe you know, in the thirties or something like that. I think 253 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:27.440 this team will be a tournament team regardless if they get him or not. 254 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:32.880 But he would be a monumental get and I'm sure they would love to have 255 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.200 him if they could make it work. Now what it would take to make 256 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:38.480 it work, I have no clue, because you know, is is it 257 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:42.359 a role, is it money? I don't know. But if they could 258 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:45.960 make it work, hell yeah. But I would this point. I what 259 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.480 did I say on Friday? I think I said, like forty percent chance 260 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:53.160 that like Louisville is in the mix here and they get one of four visits 261 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:57.960 or something like that, I'd now put it to twenty five just because, 262 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:00.960 you know, I feel like if it would in the works, we would 263 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.119 know. But then again, that's some of these. I mean, let's 264 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.079 go back to when Case and Pryor committed. You know, we knew Louisville 265 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:12.160 was involved in some way, but he hadn't visited yet. It was Arkansas, 266 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:18.000 Saint John's Villa Nova getting a lot more attention for him than Louisville. 267 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.279 But you know what great Osibort day before that, he committed to Washington and 268 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:29.119 within twenty four hours Case and Pryor was a Louisville cardinal. So these things 269 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.920 do move kind of quickly. But maybe by the end of the week we'll 270 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.440 know, like, hey, it's either possible or maybe it's like no chance, 271 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.599 but it would be huge, no doubt. All right, quick break, 272 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:42.559 we'll come back on the other side. Keep this thing rolling along again. 273 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.039 It's Coffee and Company and we are Field. Beth Thorton's right here on 274 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:52.640 Sports Talk seven ninety who sings this? Wolf Mother? Okay, is this 275 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:59.440 I only think of this song for the reasons we've discussed that being played at 276 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.359 U of L game games, But like, was this a radio hit? 277 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.200 Like it was a big from I don't know much about wolf Mother's discography, 278 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:15.319 but it is one of their bigger hits, wolf Mother Goodness. Like I'm 279 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:17.559 I may there's a chance I may have never heard it until I heard it 280 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:18.680 at the UMP Center. But I feel like it's no way that's a big 281 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:21.480 song. But it's just you know, maybe it's just me and my own 282 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:26.000 world because it's such a big song for that specific thing. But uh yeah, 283 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.440 I don't think Pat Kelsey's tweet about Joker and the Thief, if you 284 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:30.640 know, you know, had anything to do with the player. But maybe 285 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:34.160 maybe it did. Maybe we'll find out in a few days that, like 286 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:37.200 it was the early sign, it just took a little longer for it to 287 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.039 happen. I don't know. I don't want to anybody's hopes so, but 288 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:44.799 I think twenty five percent chance that Louisville ends up being a school that you 289 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.359 know, is involved and maybe gets a visit. I hope they do, 290 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.160 because again, Coleman Hawks is a really, really good player. What happened 291 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.039 there? He was asking if we were using it an access unit. Okay, 292 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.759 somebody barged in on John again, and you know, I'm tired of 293 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.559 it. I mean, what if you just didn't respond. You can't do 294 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.079 that, and I would never ask you to do that, because that's just 295 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:08.200 not you. But like I wonder, there's the thing though, because they'd 296 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.759 still barge in right then, and then they just stay there longer. Yeah, 297 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.480 it's true, that's true. Anyways, we'll move on, all right, 298 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:15.599 Let's go to the text. Line five O two six five three zero 299 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.440 seven ninety is the L and N Federal Credit Union text line. We did 300 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:26.480 also talk earlier about the WNBA situation where right now they have more attention than 301 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.359 they've ever had. Probably, I mean, maybe I'm wrong, like maybe 302 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:33.000 there was something else to where the WNBA really generated this much of all the 303 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.160 platforms out there that talk sports, and some would say it's not for good 304 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.160 reason, and I can't disagree, but it's the type of attention that like 305 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.720 is beneficial for them in some form or fashion. I'm sure the WNBA would 306 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:49.279 not like it to be because they've got veterans or maybe just other players. 307 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.480 I'm not even sure if the veterans. I'm not even sure if those have 308 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.400 that have taken shots at Caitlin Clark or veterans, but either way, like 309 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:57.920 it's not a good look for the league. I can't I won't act like 310 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.680 I'm bothered and offended by because I don't care to be honest with you. 311 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:04.240 And I'm not even somebody that's a big Kaitlyn Clark fan. I find her 312 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.599 to be unlikable at times when I watched her play at IOWA, and maybe 313 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.839 some of it's because she shredded Louisville in the Elite eight two years ago. 314 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.839 But also like there's evidence out there that you can find. It doesn't mean 315 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.119 that you didn't mean that I'm trying to convince you that she's a bad person 316 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.119 because I don't know her at all. She's clearly been great for the game, 317 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:22.599 and she's a phenomenal player. But I think her behavior some of her 318 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.839 you know, her attitude, the way she talks to teammates and coaches and 319 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.960 referees and flops and takes a cheap shot here and there. Like, I 320 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:34.839 don't think I'm I'm unbiased because I think that she's you know, kind of 321 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:41.079 unlikable. But I don't believe that it's the w NBA players that feel that 322 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:44.119 way too, and they're really just like, you know, putting her in 323 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:47.240 her place. I think they're jealous. I do, I mean, And 324 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.720 it's not because I'm using a trigger word for women, because if you and 325 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:56.240 I look, I don't know much about women, don't know much about them 326 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:57.759 at all. I found one that was willing to put up with me many 327 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:02.359 many years ago, and we're still to get there. And she's phenomenal. 328 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.160 But I'm also not crazy to say that, Like if you I mean calling 329 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.559 anybody jealous, is it could trigger them. But I think you know, 330 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:12.160 when it comes to women like that, that they may take that a little 331 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:17.599 bit differently than anybody else. So it is a strong thing to say. 332 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:21.079 But I just I'm not saying it because we're talking about a women's sport. 333 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.440 I'm talking that's just what it seems to be. Caitlin Clark is one of 334 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:30.920 one find me a comparison of a struggling league that doesn't generate any money that 335 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:37.039 you know, is really just existing as a gift from the NBA. People 336 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:40.000 can be offended by me saying that that's not an opinion, that's a fact. 337 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:44.680 That is the reality of this, and she's making crazy money because she's 338 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:51.720 a superstar and she's really good. Nobody can doctor it up as anything other 339 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:56.079 than what it is she is. She specifically is bringing more attention to this 340 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.000 league than anybody ever has. Doesn't mean she's the best player of all time. 341 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.920 She didn't acomplish anything in the WNBA just yet. But that's the facts 342 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:07.680 of the situation. And I think there are really good players that probably think 343 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.720 they're better than she is. That that you know, don't understand the hype. 344 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.400 Why she the one that has led to this amount of attention for us? 345 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.599 Have they not seen what I've been doing and what I accomplished in my 346 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:23.680 college career, right, Like there's jealousy there and it's again, it's different, 347 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.480 like this doesn't happen in any other league, men or women. There's 348 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.799 not a comparison, and if there is, it's not a mainstream sport. 349 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.359 And WNBA is not a mainstream sport that gets attention like it's getting right now. 350 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.359 But Caitlyn Clark has changed that. I won't lack like I'm watching to 351 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:41.240 see what happens when Kaitlyn Clark's on the court, but you don't have to 352 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:44.920 because of the way she's being treated by some of these players that's getting that 353 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.319 much attention. And I don't, you know, I don't think she deserves 354 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.640 to be treated the way she is as far as just some occasional cheap shots 355 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.720 and people just getting in her face and screaming, you know, I mean, 356 00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.640 you can clearly see what what words are being used by some of these 357 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:03.119 players, especially Kennedy Carter, the girl who got you know it was, 358 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:04.680 I mean, and what makes it even a worse look for the for the 359 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:08.119 players who are doing this is how they've handled it after the fact, you 360 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:14.200 know, like to see that she was liking all the responses that she had 361 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.319 on Twitter that were like supporting her and saying that Cayln Clark got what she 362 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.440 deserved, and you know, keep doing it, She's gonna learn, like 363 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:25.359 learn what Like you're you're jealous because she is a larger than life star and 364 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:26.880 you may be jealous because she's better than you. Maybe that's part of it 365 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:30.839 too, But like I just think, to me, I think that's what 366 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.079 we're seeing here. And I think the lack of support from her teammates on 367 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:38.400 her own team, and the lack of support by her coach, and even 368 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.200 the lack of support on social media from former IOWA players that played with her, 369 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:48.319 like I think she has done. I mean, she is the biggest 370 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:52.960 star women's basketball in my lifetime has ever seen as far as the amount of 371 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.119 notoriety she gets. I'm not saying she's the best as far as talent and 372 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.799 accomplishments, but she has generated a following like nobody else that I've ever seen 373 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:06.119 in women's basketball, and women's basketball especially probably the star players have been desperate 374 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:10.400 and starving to get more attention and she has it. So they're they're jealous, 375 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.799 Like, that's what this is to me. It's not that complicated. 376 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:19.799 And I think jealousy some may be more prone to it than others, right, 377 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:25.200 it may just be how you're wired as a human being. Some may 378 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:29.680 not ever get jealous. But regardless, if you get jealous a lot, 379 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:34.400 you're easily jealous or you're rarely jealous. You never want to look jealous. 380 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.359 That's a bad look, right, Like, you're just you have you have 381 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.839 no justification for your behavior, your your your action or reaction. You're just 382 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:45.920 jealous. Like that's a tough that's a tough l to take, is it 383 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.000 not? And that's what's happening right here and after the fact, the way 384 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:53.319 they don't come out and talk about it. The players Angel Angel got fined 385 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.960 one thousand dollars because she wouldn't talk to the media after the game because she 386 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.480 had nothing to say. How would she defend that? And then Canny Carter 387 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.079 did talk to the media but said she's not answering any Kaitlin Clark questions. 388 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.319 Kaitlyn Clark questions then goes to Twitter after the press conference and does nothing but 389 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.440 talk about it, and you know, act as if like people are like 390 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.079 she's the victim here, Like that is you taking a big fat l as 391 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.680 just being a jealous loser if I'm being honest with you. And I say 392 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.720 that as somebody who doesn't really like Kaitlyn Clark, and I've made that quite 393 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:25.079 clear anytime she's come up on the show. I mean, wouldn't you agree, 394 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:26.440 John, You're a human, Like, being jealous is some at times 395 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:29.759 you can't control. Nobody wants to be jealous, yeah, and it can't. 396 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.279 Looking jealous can be an l It brings out the worst in people. 397 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.119 Absolutely. There's not a lot of showing rage that make me jealous, but 398 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.559 I mean when it happens, like it's one of the most disgusting feelings. 399 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:42.079 I feel like you can have oh yeah, yeah, because you you think 400 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.160 to yourself, like why I don't want like I don't want to be jealous. 401 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.160 I have good like Yeah, it's a level of like inferiority and insecurity 402 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.240 that like at times is hard for people to to to, you know, 403 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.559 face in the mirror, Phili, we're turning into like a you know, 404 00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:59.880 doctor Phil here but I mean, I mean, I mean you have been. 405 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.640 I mean, really Indiana fans myself too. Last year, we were 406 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.880 jealous of anybody who made the NCAA tournament. Oh yeah, and Louisville. 407 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.599 You're just jealous of anybody who can get some good wins. I'm jealous of 408 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.400 any basketball team that's had life. The last two years, we didn't have 409 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.799 that. So yeah, I mean, and I don't know if there's gonna 410 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:22.039 be some level of like, I don't know how they fix this, right, 411 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.119 I guess the fix is just it stopped happening, you know, But 412 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:26.839 I don't think it's going to because I don't think anybody's addressing it. Right. 413 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.759 There's no internal memo from the WNBA, because if there was, we'd 414 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.279 know that the commissioner's not coming out and talking about it. Her teammates and 415 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.319 her coaches aren't defending her, and maybe she doesn't want them to write. 416 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.119 She's a big girl, she's grown up. But like, I kind of 417 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:45.119 feel like it's going to keep happening, and if anything, it'll just be 418 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:49.079 the WNBA being talked about nationally for a longer stretch than they ever have before. 419 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.039 You think there's a boiling point where you know they have to say something. 420 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.880 I don't know. I mean, i'd say the boiling point would be 421 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:03.279 like if in fact she gets attacked, not cheap shot, not a dirty 422 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.680 play, but like somebody out there just tries to fight and starts swinging on 423 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:14.039 her like that would be And again, unfortunately that has happened in sports to 424 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.759 where you have to take action. But this is already a storyline, right 425 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.839 like, this wouldn't be Wow, emotions got the best of these players in 426 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.640 a scrum like no, this would be like damn these WNBA players right here 427 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.440 trying to kill her. And at that point then you get clowned for not 428 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.440 being proactive. H yeah, something like that, you know to begin with. 429 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.759 Yeah, that's a good point, John, because I think some level 430 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.640 of like, look, we're we see what's going on here. Don't be 431 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.720 the first that we make an example out of because they I think they've been 432 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:44.319 pretty lenient on. I mean, I don't know. Part of it is, 433 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.200 Hey, that happens in basketball where somebody after a shot gets you know, 434 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.759 just comes up and you know, shoulder checks you, knocks you down. 435 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.599 Like that's that's that's sobviadly something you're gonna get called out for and get 436 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:59.200 a technical or maybe get ejected or something like that. That's that's frowned upon, 437 00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.480 but it happens. But because it's Kitlin Clark and we already know that 438 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.240 that's already been happening. That's why this has become such a big deal. 439 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:07.440 And again I'm telling you, I think the way in which they've been, 440 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:12.640 the players who've done it have been so childish about it is you know, 441 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.559 is the worst look of it all. But that's just for those individuals. 442 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:21.160 But if you go back to, you know, during her senior season at 443 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.200 Iowa, her last year there, however long she played there, there will 444 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.559 be WNBA players, current informer that would occasionally make a comment that would get 445 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.920 a lot of attention because they sounded like haters, acting as if Caitlin Clark 446 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.759 wasn't going to be able to do what she does at Iowa in the WNBA, 447 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.440 which, to be fair like not at that same level, but like 448 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:44.880 if the Indiana fevers at their name, Yes, if they wanted to hand 449 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.240 the keys to Kaitlin Clark and say, look, it's your team, run 450 00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.160 the show, I think she'd put up similar numbers. Would they be any 451 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.799 good. I don't know, they're not very good now, but like, 452 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.359 I don't have any doubt in my mind that she's good enough to dominate the 453 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.119 WNBA now like she did in college. Probably not, but again, and 454 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.640 she could still be the face of the league and be the best player in 455 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.079 the league. So the fact that they acted as if she wouldn't translate was 456 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.160 really silly, to be honest with you. But maybe maybe there was something 457 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.759 along the lines of them, those players letting it be known that we're just 458 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.759 gonna not let her like we're gonna beat her up to make sure she does 459 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.119 it, which you know, any type of justification that you would feel for 460 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:30.279 doing that, it's all rooted from one thing, jealousy. Now, somebody 461 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.079 on the text line reminded me of this, and I really I wasn't fully 462 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.880 aware. I mean I remember kind of hearing some stuff about it. But 463 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.200 the WNBA has had a bullying problem before. I mean, the WNBA punished 464 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.640 Becky Hammond, suspended her for two games because a former player accused and I 465 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.759 guess was able to convince the WNBA that she was bullied by Becky Hammon. 466 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:56.079 In twenty seventeen, there were two players that played for the Minnesota Links that 467 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.240 spoke with ESPN and they did a lengthy story about the culture in the WNBA 468 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:06.559 is harmful because of bullying within by certain like there's certain women that are running 469 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:10.119 the league, not even the commissioner, like you know, like I mean, 470 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.880 I say that exaggerating, but it's you know, it's just known like 471 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.519 the you don't want to get on the wrong side of these people, which 472 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.000 part of me says, well, that's you know, that happens. You 473 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.480 know, the alpha, if you will, is established in a lot of 474 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.960 different walks of life, right, and maybe that's what this is. But 475 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.720 I don't know, Like I just have a hard time thinking that a that 476 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.000 a professional athlete could be bullied. But that's just me being naive because you 477 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.160 know, they're human beings. They have feelings too, right, Like, 478 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.720 it's not as if everybody who's playing professional sports is this alpha that if they 479 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.920 do get any level of disrespect or bullying, they're just gonna whoop somebody's ass. 480 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.000 Like that's just not, that's not that's not that's not how everybody's wired. 481 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.039 But we've had a couple of people mentioned this on the text line John 482 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.359 that like either way like this is good for the league, Like if they 483 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.559 keep doing this, it's gonna get more. There's gonna be more and more 484 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.200 attention on it. And I hear what you're saying, But there's no way 485 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.599 they can look at this as like overall this is great, just you know, 486 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:07.759 but maybe I'm wrong. I mean, at the end of the day, 487 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:15.480 getting people to discuss, engage with your product, watch it, talk 488 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.079 about it like that's that's important, and they've never had it like this. 489 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.240 And if Caitlin Clarke was in the WNBA like she is right now and none 490 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:29.000 of this happened and she's just balling out, would there still be this level 491 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.920 of atten I don't think there would be, to be honest with you. 492 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:36.519 But the players who are creating, who are helping this become, it's at 493 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:37.799 their expense, you know what I mean. Like they're the ones who look 494 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:42.559 I think the worst in all this. And I guess, I guess, 495 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:47.200 and I guess I'm mostly speaking of Kennedy Carter and Angel Lewis. Does Angel 496 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.640 Louis? Is it Angel Reese? Angel Reese? I don't know why I 497 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.000 say Angel Louis. Sometimes I went to school with a girl named Angel Lowis 498 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.559 who doesn't look anything like Angel Reese, but for some reason I get mixed 499 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.000 up every now and then. Apologies. All right, lets get too a 500 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.440 quick break. We'll come back on the keep this thing rolling along. There's 501 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.839 a lot that I want to get into, including believe it or not, 502 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.160 sound from Scott's Sadderfield. Yes, there's sound from Scott Saderfield that I want 503 00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:14.839 to share with you. Acc coaches talk anonymously about Louisville, will let you 504 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:20.319 hear what they had to say. And Lamar Jackson, he did something or 505 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.640 I guess chose not to do something that has ended up with him being discussed. 506 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.240 And I don't know if I have much of an opinion on it, 507 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.599 but I'm sure people do, so we'll discuss it. Keep it locked right 508 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.359 here, don't go anywhere, don't move, hang tight, keep it what 509 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.319 is, Keep it where you got it, Keep it where you got it. 510 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.400 That's the tony of n Eddie line. So do exactly that right here 511 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:46.559 on Sports Talk seven ninety so. Scott Sadderfield getting the job at Cincinnati is 512 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:53.039 still something that every now and then I think about it, and it usually 513 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:58.400 is because something great happened with Louisville football, and I realize how lucky we 514 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:04.079 are to have Jeff Brohm or you know, Cincinnati sucks, which they went 515 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.719 three and nine last year in SAT's first year, and hearing him talk after 516 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:13.360 every game just reminded me of like how you know that sucked. I mean, 517 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.119 he left the program in a better spot than when he got here. 518 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:24.239 We were never terrible. But to me, he doesn't have like the the 519 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.400 the edge. He didn't have the dog in him, which is an overused 520 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.559 cliche, but maybe it fits here because you know, he he you know, 521 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.320 you are a reflection of your coach at times in any sport, really, 522 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.760 and I think Louisville had guys that would play hard, but like just 523 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:45.599 the culture was not was all about loving them up. And I think one 524 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.599 of the things that really at the time, and I'm not you know, 525 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.480 I'm not holding any ill will, but you remember this, John, you 526 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.119 were doing the post game shows at the time. I had no problem saying 527 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.239 the thing, it's lame as hell that they throw a party in the locker 528 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.000 room like they won a national championship when they beat Eastern Kentucky or anybody for 529 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.199 that matter. You know it wasn't like I told the kids, they can't 530 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.079 smile and be happy. I just think that that's not a good culture thing, 531 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.320 because you should understand, hey, we got it. We're playing for 532 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:13.280 something bigger than beating this bum team. And I think over time the culture 533 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.000 was not bad. It wasn't as if they had you know, like bad 534 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:21.039 character guys or you know, I mean they won more than they lost, 535 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.840 right, although he did have a losing record in the ACC but still, 536 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:30.280 like Pat Scott, Satterfild just did not have the in factor and it was 537 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:31.880 hard for fans to get fired up for him. There wasn't a lot of 538 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.079 charisma there to where you would, like, you know, to give you 539 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.960 another cliche run through a brick wall, and it showed because nobody could tell 540 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.159 you that the guy needed to be fired because he had an awful season, 541 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.960 because it wasn't true. He wasn't an unlikable guy. He seems like a 542 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.159 very nice man. I think he's very genuine. I think what you see 543 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.039 is what you get. Was Saturfield for the most part. I think he's 544 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.000 sincere. It's just not but he's not built for what this is. And 545 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:57.760 I don't want to act as if Louisville is Alabama, but nobody around here 546 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.239 was ever going to be content with going to bowl games, and I think 547 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.440 he was always bothered by the fact that, like we weren't going to be 548 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.800 and he was uncomfortable. And now he's at Cincinnati, and there's no doubt 549 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.159 in my mind that he will end up being fired there after this year because 550 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:16.800 you can't go to the College Football Playoff and then in two years be this. 551 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.559 Now they'll probably be better than three and nine, but maybe not, 552 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.559 you know, maybe not, and maybe he gets a third year. But 553 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.000 I think Cincinnati started to really care about football once they had the great success 554 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.119 they had one with Brian Kelly and then I mean, Luke Fickle was great 555 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.880 there. They look, they went to the College Football Playoff as a G 556 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:38.559 five team, So like, I'm gonna give him some respect here, like 557 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.840 they I think they will fire him if he's not much better in year two, 558 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.639 and I don't think that that's gonna happen. But he had an interview 559 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:51.960 with a really cool platform here. His name is Adam Brenneman, and it's 560 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.519 not you know, it's not the Brenneman's up in Cincinnati. It's spelled differently. 561 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:55.719 But he is a former college football player. I think he played at 562 00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:00.000 Penn State and at UMass. And you know, he now does his own 563 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.920 thing. He's got his own show, it's called Next Up with Adam and 564 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.199 does a lot of really good social media content. He will travel across the 565 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.320 country and stop in and do interviews with different coaches, and again, it 566 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.039 looks really cool. I think he does a great job. I got to 567 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.519 meet him once, but his most recent stop was in Cincinnati to see Scott 568 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.840 Saderfield. And again, he's coming off a three and nine season. And 569 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.480 the quote here in this clip that I'm about to share with you says this 570 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:28.159 quote it's hard for fans to fully understand end quote. And this is just 571 00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:35.119 an excuse making loser. I mean that sounds like I'm name calling, but 572 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.800 like this is a guy. This to me sounds like a dude who's not 573 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.719 really driven to win at the highest level. He's kind of content with, 574 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.199 like, well, hey, we're trying hard, we're loving on him, 575 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.519 we're having fun. Last year for us here, that's very difficult. You 576 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.199 know, we didn't win as many games. Obviously, anybody would like it's 577 00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.760 tough man, because it's it's our life. This is it, this is 578 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.119 what we do. I mean, you know, we're here every single day, 579 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.519 and in the fall, you're here eighty hours a week, and then 580 00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.440 all you're doing is going home to sleep. It's hard for fans to fully 581 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.440 understand that because not having success. Man, you can't even go get gas 582 00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.679 or go to the grocery stores. People looking at you funny. You know. 583 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.639 He just want to pull your head down and just just go. I 584 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:08.760 don't even want to walk in our building to see other people. You know. 585 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:12.320 It's like, let me get to the office and get in some film 586 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.119 and let's see how we can get better. He just tears you up inside. 587 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.360 I don't think people really fully understand that. So hopefully we can have 588 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:22.800 some success, so we can I don't think people fully understand that I'm weak 589 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.559 and when I lose and you guys are critical, it hurts my feelings. 590 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.920 Like that's what he said. He's openly admitting that he's not fit for a 591 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.119 job that's going to give him a lot of attention, more expectation. I 592 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.400 mean, like yeah, I mean attention aside. I mean, attention is 593 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:38.280 there, and it's good when you're winning, but like you're going to get 594 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.079 more attention when you lose. And the reason that you know, you like, 595 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.719 you coach twelve games a year, my man, and you make a 596 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.199 lot of money doing that. So when you do lose and you suck like 597 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.079 you did last year at three and nine, I don't think fans understand that 598 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.760 we work hard, like you're like, you're not built for this. In 599 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.159 Tom Allen, he was a big, loving on him kind of guy, 600 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.480 but he wasn't saying those kinds of things. But Tom Allen had been a 601 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:07.760 part of high level when it all cost, extremely driven to win, never 602 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:13.639 satisfied, sat never was man he and this isn't a knock on his character, 603 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.119 it's just the situation. He'd never been a part of any Power five 604 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:21.880 football and he had success at app State, and I don't take that away 605 00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.840 from him. They transitioned to the Division one FBS level really well, I 606 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:29.800 mean, as good as anybody until James Madison came along. Shout out signetti 607 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:35.480 and you know he he won there, and again I'll give him credit for 608 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.559 it, but everybody else has won there too. I don't know if you'll 609 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.360 notice that like App State wins, like coaches who've been to AB State. 610 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:44.280 I mean, Drinkowitz turned it into one year to Missouri and now he's got 611 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.000 a top ten team in the eyes of some. So like that doesn't mean 612 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:50.000 Sack didn't deserve credit, but like he didn't take app State and put him 613 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.840 on the map, because anything he did, they were already really good under 614 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:54.599 his former coach, Jerry Jerry Curill. I think it's another that it's a 615 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.760 different coach anyway, the guy who's a state that sat played for, so 616 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:01.239 you know, to me, he's just not somebody that you know, like 617 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.400 he's just he he played at app State and only coached there, and then 618 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.400 spent one year at Akron, one year at FIU as an as an oc 619 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.159 or quarterback coach, and then went back to app State stayed there, And 620 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.559 I just think that's more that's better for that's better suited for him. I 621 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.559 mean, I'd be highly shocked if this thing works out in Cincinnati and he's 622 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:27.199 there long term. And actually, here's what's crazy is that he's not. 623 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.039 I don't think he'll ever be a super successful coach in college football at like 624 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.719 a high level program, even a power for program. I just don't see 625 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.800 that happening. But he knows football, and people who know him and know 626 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:39.440 of him like strategically, like they speak highly of him, like he's a 627 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.679 smart he is a good football mind, actually, you know, other than 628 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:46.320 the stubborn running on second down every time. Like I thought he was a 629 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.920 pretty creative play caller. I mean, he's nothing compared to Jeff Brawn. 630 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.400 But still, like, I don't think he's a terrible coach. I think 631 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:53.719 everything that comes with it, as far as how you're how you built, 632 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.199 how you carry yourself, how you're driven, Like he just doesn't have that, 633 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.239 and you need that to win at a at a at a high level 634 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.039 job. All Right, we got the five o'clock hour coming up and a 635 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.119 lot more to get into. Stick with us. It's coffee and company, 636 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:13.800 feel Abu Thorton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety