WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:45.439 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host, 2 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:53.200 Alejandro Rojas, and I have with me Jason McClellan. I am with you, 3 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:58.280 yes, and uh, first, I want to tell you guys about 4 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:06.840 this guest that I have have on for today. He's maybe the craziest goofiest 5 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:15.920 guests I've ever had, and his name is Jason McClellan. Wa wah well. 6 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.560 And the thing is that I can't really trick people because when they go 7 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.799 to look at the show, they see Jason McClellan, and I'm over here 8 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.400 trying to pull them, and they're already gonna know. And maybe there'll be 9 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.159 some podcast listeners who didn't look at the name of the show and I'll have 10 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.359 trick them. You might trick a few people. Nice try a hundred. 11 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:37.200 Yeah, But any who before and what we're going to talk with Jason batt 12 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.319 is Jason. If you're not aware, it was on the Joe Rogan Questions 13 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:44.840 Everything show recently, and there was a lot of stuff that has gone over 14 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.079 and that show that I thought would be really important to talk about. So 15 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:52.799 we'll talk about that show piece by piece and about Jason's experience on the show, 16 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.519 which is interesting too, but that will play into a lot of the 17 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.879 latest thing going on in this field. And we'll also to talk somewhat about 18 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.879 some of the recent media dealings with UFOs, because UFOs seem to be in 19 00:02:07.919 --> 00:02:12.639 the media a lot more and they don't always get things right, so we'll 20 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:19.159 talk about some of that also coming up. This is gonna be great, 21 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:23.439 people, You're gonna love it. I can't wait. But before we do 22 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:28.560 that, of course, we like to talk about a news story from the 23 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.840 week. And Jason, what is this story you would like to talk about? 24 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:36.759 Well, Sir, I'm going to talk about something that is right along 25 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.520 the lines of something you just mentioned, and that is problems with the media 26 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:45.680 and getting things wrong good at times. But this is a story I know 27 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:51.000 we've talked about more than once on the show, and that's about these UFO 28 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:57.000 sightings in India that continue to happen, actually, but there seemed to be 29 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:01.719 a big wave of them back into twenty twelve, and these were seen by 30 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:06.719 members of the Indian Army and the Indo Tibetan Border Police Force and they're seen 31 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:13.120 along the Indian's border with China, and hundreds of these UFOs were seen over 32 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:19.800 a six month period, and these things have been investigated since then, and 33 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:24.000 there have just been so many reports that have continued to come out after the 34 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:31.240 initial report of these sightings, and we've heard media outlets dismiss them, saying 35 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:37.719 that astronomers found out that these UFOs were simply Jupiter and Venus. Then we've 36 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:44.800 had reports saying that the country's Defense minister denies there wherever ufo reports to begin 37 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:54.280 with. And then we have reports that astronomers from the Indian Astronomical Observatory observed 38 00:03:54.280 --> 00:04:02.319 these UFOs themselves and studied the phenomenon for a while and ruled out celestial objects 39 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:06.919 completely, ruling out meteors and planets as a possibility to explain these UFOs. 40 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:14.080 So we're hearing things that conflict with each other and going all over the place. 41 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:17.959 But so far, I think the worst defender at reporting this was the 42 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:24.160 Inquisitor. Back on Sunday, August eighteenth, they published a story about this 43 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:30.519 about these sightings, but the title of it was UFOs over the Taj Mahal 44 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:36.639 next Indian Army reports sightings and creating the impression that the Indian Army saw UFOs 45 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:43.720 over the Taj Mahall when that wasn't the case. There's a video showing object 46 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.199 that looks like it could be over the taj Mahal. It has nothing to 47 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:53.680 do with the sightings by the Indian Army and that particular article doesn't mention anything 48 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:58.040 about the UFO video over the taj Mahal, but they threw that in there 49 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.759 with the headline, and that caused MSN write a story that sort of lump 50 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.600 them these two non related things together, and it just creates a lot of 51 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:10.000 confusion. And that's a problem we see a lot with these UFO stories. 52 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:15.360 I mean, they're they're confusing and uh, you know, problematic in themselves, 53 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:17.120 being that we don't have much information to go on with a lot of 54 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:23.800 these stories. But then you get in misreporting or just lack of research and 55 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.079 things like that. It really causes a lot of problems with these sightings and 56 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.560 does does a disservice, I think, to a lot of the more credible 57 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:35.319 ones that deserve some more investigation. Yeah, and it's right. So it's 58 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:41.920 kind of like the that telephone thing where you know, you tell someone a 59 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:46.560 message and then they tell someone and how the message gets distorted and yeah, 60 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.759 so it turned into the Indian Army saw UFO over the taiz Maha, which 61 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:55.199 is completely wrong. But they don't do their research to even read the story. 62 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:59.439 It's like they read the headline and then they write a story about it. 63 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.560 It's it's kind of ridiculous when big media like that gets it so wrong, 64 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.839 and when you've had so many different things reported, you know, we 65 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:11.639 have no idea what the truth is because you know, we're certainly not in 66 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.160 India. We're relying on other media. Oh, let's to let us know 67 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.160 what's going on. But when those media, oh let's are reporting conflicting things, 68 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.040 who knows what's going on. Yeah, yeah, it's well, and 69 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:27.319 we talked about it even with the Area fifty one. How I absolutely first 70 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.839 did it that said nothing about UFOs when there's a full chapter on UFOs, 71 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:36.319 and so the story everywhere was nothing about UFOs when there certainly was information about 72 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:40.240 UFOs. So yeah, it's a big problem, and I don't think it's 73 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.720 going away anytime soon. Yeah, they just for some reason. Figure. 74 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:46.560 I mean a lot of the bigger ones will actually do. You can see 75 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:50.279 in some of the reports, like I saw an ABC one, a full 76 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:55.959 on nightly news where you can tell they read the document, they were very 77 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.079 well versed with what was in there. But even yeah, some of the 78 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.399 the are bigger media sources, they figure they just don't have to do the 79 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.680 research when it comes to this topic for some reason. Sure, and I 80 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:11.160 don't get that, but well, I've said it before, but I'll say 81 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:15.519 it again. This is a particular case that I'm very much interested in. 82 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:19.199 I love seeing things that develop with it. To be honest, I thought 83 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.920 the first time we heard about this story, I thought that would be the 84 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.519 last we ever heard of it. And you know, but it keeps coming 85 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.600 up, and I'm glad we're hearing more things. I hope we find out 86 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.439 what's really going on, because this is one of the more fascinating cases to 87 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:41.040 me that's ongoing right now. And you know, astronomers and military people seeing 88 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.199 these with their own eyes, and just the different stories coming out about it, 89 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.600 they are fascinating too. Again, we don't know whether or not they're 90 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:50.879 accurate in the reporting, but there have even been you know, initially it 91 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:56.079 was thought that these could be Chinese lanterns because they were seen in great numbers 92 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:01.360 and raising over the China border. But those those were ruled out, and 93 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.000 they thought they could be drones, and they mostly ruled that out too. 94 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:07.759 But one of the reports I read, and again who knows if this is 95 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:13.240 accurate, but China's military, you know, of course they wouldn't admit to 96 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.920 India if they had drones going off across the border. But they in fact 97 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:20.560 said, we don't know what they are if you see them shoot them down. 98 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.079 So you know, it's an interesting story. It keeps coming and we 99 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:31.040 keep hearing new angles about it and new explanations. So we'll see where it 100 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.399 goes, if it goes anywhere, if it's just gonna keep going around and 101 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.720 round with misreporting. Do you know what, speaking of Area fifty one and 102 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:45.080 these being possible, suggested that they're Chinese lanterns. Chinese lanterns were developed in 103 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:52.120 China, so maybe this is the next generation, highly advanced, super tech 104 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:58.440 Chinese lantern You think these are these are super advanced Chinese lanterns. Yeah, 105 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:05.399 I could be Chinese lanterns, Yeah, exactly, And secret development of the 106 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:11.919 next generation Chinese lanterns that zip around always a possibility. You can make them 107 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.759 spell out the name of the groom and the bride, you know, around 108 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.879 who knows, huh, you're creative, my friend. I was thinking of, 109 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.799 you know, the story I'm going to do. I was kind of 110 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.720 thinking of because there wasn't a whole lot of news last week of the NASA 111 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.440 UFO thing. But it's kind of stupid because NASA said, oh, we 112 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.360 saw ufo, but we know what it is. It's like it just used 113 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.159 the term UFO to promote this story's face junk, which is kind of frustrating. 114 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:43.320 But I guess I'll talk about Bob Lazar because it was kind of interesting 115 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:48.799 in that one of the stories with Area fifty one, they actually got an 116 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:54.200 interview with Bob LA's arm. Yeah, and I just guess it's not a 117 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.399 whole bunch of news. He didn't really say anything much except for, uh, 118 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.240 I knew that Area fifty one there and they really need to check out 119 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:07.080 S four. But I think the interesting part is just we finally hear from 120 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:11.519 Bob Lazarei because he's been avoiding talking about UFOs, but he's still sticking to 121 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.399 his story. And he told NBC News that, you know, he worked 122 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:24.320 on these back engineered UFOs at S four near Area fifty one, and all 123 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.320 these years later he's still sticking to a story. Yeah, that was interesting 124 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.919 to hear. I'm glad they did get a statement from him. As we 125 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.080 mentioned, we tried to get a statement from him, and he wants nothing 126 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.240 to do with the whole UFO arena, so he certainly avoided us. But 127 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:46.879 because the story was about Area fifty one, his statement is pretty interesting to 128 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.679 hear. Yeah, and you know, given what he told us, adds 129 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.759 to it too, and that he says, you know, he's got this 130 00:10:54.840 --> 00:11:00.879 scientific company where he provides science equipment, and that he has government contracts, 131 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.480 right and he yet he's still you know, sticking to his story of back 132 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:13.960 engineering alien craft. So really, I think that's kind of interesting. I 133 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:18.240 agree with you. So that's what I had to say about that. Thank 134 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:20.799 you for saying it. It needed to be said. But of course, 135 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:26.080 Jason and Moore wehen go over all of the news of the week on Spacing 136 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:31.159 Out, which you can find on our YouTube channel. It's my favorite show, 137 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:35.559 is it? It's a pretty good one. I do like it. 138 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.600 It's okay, but I'm paid to say it's my favorite show. Yeah. 139 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:45.200 Moving on, let's get to our guests for the week. This gentleman works 140 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:52.480 for Open Minds magazine. He also works on the website. He also is 141 00:11:52.519 --> 00:12:00.919 an animal lover and a vegetarian and has an interesting haircut which was featured on 142 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:09.720 Joe Rogan help me welcome my good buddy Jason McClellan. Yay, hear the 143 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:16.879 crowd of people. Home down people, So let's talk about the Joe Rogan 144 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.759 Experience. And maybe you can first tell people because a lot of people don't 145 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:26.200 know who Joe Rogan is, and you know, what is this show that 146 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.480 he's doing. Well, Joe Rogan is as known as the stand up comedian. 147 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:37.320 He's got a fairly popular podcast, Joe Rogan Experience. He's a comedian, 148 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.240 he was a host of Fear Factor. He's involved in MMA fighting. 149 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.200 I don't know to what extent, but yeah, he does a lot of 150 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.080 things. And now he's doing a show on sci Fi I called Joe Rogan 151 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:56.480 Questions Everything, where he goes out and probes interesting and mysterious things. I 152 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:03.919 think they started out with Bigfoot and they've explored whether modification and transhumanism and all 153 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.480 sorts of interesting topics. Now, when you went and shot it was before 154 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:15.799 the show had started, had erect and it sounds like I mean that Joe 155 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:20.440 Rogan is genuinely interested in the paranormal. He absolutely is. I'll say that 156 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:28.600 I think I think Joe's a great guy, and he is hugely into the 157 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:35.200 unknown and things that are mysterious. So when we talked, I could definitely 158 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:41.000 sense his genuine passion for finding out about this stuff. And he's very much 159 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:46.879 into the subject of extraterrestrials and UFOs, So his his interest and purpose in 160 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:54.559 searching for answers was genuine. And if you saw the show, if not 161 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.960 what he did, he people were kind of bummed out right from the begin 162 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.039 in that he right off the bat was saying he's being funny. I mean, 163 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.960 it's a comedy show essentially, it's a lighthearted entertainment show, and he's 164 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.440 a comedian. You go back to it knowing that, right which, and 165 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:18.679 I thought he was really funny actually, but he started us by saying that 166 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:24.440 the evidence that he's seen is horse manure and showed it. It's like a 167 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.600 cartoon of horse manure, I think, or not an actual picture of it. 168 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.960 And his point is I want evidence. I want to go talk to 169 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:43.200 these UFO people and I want them to show me evidence, which I personally. 170 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.639 And I know people might get frustrated by at least what level of evidence 171 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:52.840 he is willing to accept, but I appreciated that. I mean, in 172 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:58.879 that let's go look for the good stuff, not just the stuff that people 173 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:05.320 excited about but really doesn't prove anything. Yeah, you know, I have 174 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.399 to agree with him. You know, there there's you and I talk about 175 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.960 this all the time. There's lots of lots of good stuff out there and 176 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:20.519 plenty that contributes to our search, but how much of it is concrete proof? 177 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.080 You know, that's that's more difficult to find, and that was his 178 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.600 quest. You know, there's lots of photos and videos and stories from this 179 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:35.720 person or stories from this person who heard it from that person, but he 180 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.120 wanted concrete proof. You know, you're not going to go out and find 181 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:45.120 a UFO in somebody's garage. I mean he probably not, probably, but 182 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.240 it's a possibility, sure, But that's what he was looking for. And 183 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.519 his point was, you know it's not there, so what do we have, 184 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.679 right, So let's go down And when I analyzed kind of some of 185 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.320 what he looked at, because I think that his approach was great and that 186 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:06.159 and he was able to talk to a few people from that perspective and try 187 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:11.759 to pull out, you know, what is proof versus evidence, and what 188 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:18.159 his idea of evidence was versus what other people's idea of evidence is, which 189 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:23.480 I think is such an important topic. So first he battled with Bill Burns, 190 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:30.080 and I call it a because he really got kind of I don't know 191 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.120 if i'd say heated, because he was mostly joking around, but he was 192 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.159 certainly kind of in burns face, talent, Are you forgetting me? What 193 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.000 are you talking about? You know, he was getting all excited at but 194 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.000 in a negative way. I guess about what Bill Burns was saying, because 195 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.240 Bill Burns was trying to say, and this is kind of funny. Bill 196 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:53.480 Burns was trying to say that there is evidence, and Joe Rogan said, 197 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:59.159 well, I want something I can touch, and Bill Burns said pictures. 198 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.039 And Joe Rogan says, why I can't touch that? And Bill Burns said, 199 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:10.480 you can touch it with your eyes. I wouldn't recommend it. I 200 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:15.079 don't know if I buy that so much. Some of these photos, especially 201 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.640 the ones we have in r archives, are pretty old and have had have 202 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:21.240 been handled by lots of people. I wouldn't go touching those to your eyeballs. 203 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:26.680 Yeah, so I'm not sure. I mean Bill Burns's idea that this 204 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:32.240 is I guess he was maybe trying to say it's physical evidence. But of 205 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:37.200 course Joe Rogan was talking about going and touching the UFO, right. It 206 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:45.880 brings up the issue of photo evidence though, and Rogan wasn't really willing to 207 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:51.680 go there. Yeah, that that seems to you. I mean, I'm 208 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.839 sure he would be happy to see some good UFO photos and or videos, 209 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.839 but that wasn't the purpose of his search. You know, he's seen that 210 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:06.119 before. He was looking for more. And I've got to say, I 211 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:11.200 mean, we see stuff all the time. We get sent to photos every 212 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.640 day. We've got thousands of photos here. I mean we look at hundreds, 213 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.279 if not thousands of photos and videos every year. So we see a 214 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:25.599 lot. And I love photo and video evidence. But at the same time 215 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:30.359 I understand and take it for what it's worth. You know, it can 216 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:36.640 be contributing evidence to a case, it can support something, but is it 217 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:38.599 proof. No, it certainly is not proof. And it has to be 218 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:48.759 understood that this is a photo or video and anything, absolutely anything can be 219 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.480 created on photo or video I mean, technology is amazing, and no, 220 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.119 it doesn't take millions of dollars. You know, high school kids can create 221 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:03.000 amazing things with photoshop and video editing software. Affects. Tools are incredible and 222 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:07.119 make it easier and easier every day to create whatever you want. So you 223 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.799 have to understand it in that context. But you know it can't contribute to 224 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:15.799 a case. I agree, but I do want to at least argue with 225 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:21.000 Bill Burns's point a little bit. Not much. I'm not touching anything with 226 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:29.640 my eyeball, but like true, I think that unfortunately has become where photoggraphic 227 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:34.200 evidence is not acceptable. It's not something that gets people excited, doesn't prove 228 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:38.079 anything to people. People kind of ignore it and don't pay attention to it. 229 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.720 These days, of course, people in the UFO field pay attention to 230 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:47.839 it, but not outside so much, which is unfortunate. And then when 231 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:52.519 it comes to for instance, I believe and I think that we've got we're 232 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:59.400 lucky enough to have, you know, the best Billy Meyer pictures. This 233 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.480 is an exact sample of pre photoshop, but these are pretty good and I'm 234 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:11.640 convincder fakes. But although there are some telltale signs in these pictures that demonstrate 235 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.039 that. However, you know, we've got this incredible photo collection that we 236 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.720 got from a guy who was in the Air Force and researched this for decades 237 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:25.079 with Wendell Stevens, and some of those pictures I think are really interesting. 238 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:30.599 And of course in our magazine we put at least six UFO photographs in there 239 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:33.960 and we tell tell you about them, and the vast majority turned out to 240 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:42.599 be misidentifications sometimes hoaxes, but there are a small minority that are really really 241 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:51.279 interesting, and I think it would be cool for any of these shows, 242 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:56.119 including like Rogans, to examine some of these really good photos, even like 243 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:02.000 some of them in are archives that we can explain from the fifties and the 244 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:06.440 sixties and the seventies, to try to help us figure out this is a 245 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:10.240 pretty cool photo. What you what is this? You know, because a 246 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:14.400 lot of these I'm not so sure could be hoaxed. What do you think? 247 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.799 Well, you know, I think anything is possible. People are creative. 248 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.119 But I'm with you, man, Some of those older photos are my 249 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.960 favorites, and we do have some pretty mysterious ones. And I've seen a 250 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:32.039 lot of older photos that you know, are bewildering. So yeah, I 251 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:36.000 do love those. And you know, I said, you know, you've 252 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:41.119 got to take photos and video evidence for what they're worth anymore, It's still 253 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:48.640 preferred, you know, if there's a sighting submitted with with just written testimony 254 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:53.200 or a citing submitted written testimony plus photo or video, I'll take that any 255 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.279 tith week. You know, that's what we want, and that helps add 256 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.680 a visual to it, helps you understand what the person is describing better. 257 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:07.400 And you know, sometimes those things are just completely bizarre looking, so they 258 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.000 add to the interest of the case. Yeah, that's another hard part. 259 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:19.839 You bring up. A good point is that the photo the witness testimony, 260 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:26.160 because these days, really once you get to higher levels of scrutiny, the 261 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.319 witness testimony is thrown out, even though it can be very important, especially 262 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:36.920 when you have multiple credible witnesses reporting seeing what is in the photograph. And 263 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:41.880 I think that's vital. For instance, I got a photo in yesterday from 264 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.960 someone and it looks interesting, but in the end, it's the light in 265 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.759 the sky. The witness says, you know, this light did X, 266 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.440 Y and Z, and maybe it did. You can't tell that from the 267 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.400 photo. And if it did, it could be a genuine mystery, but 268 00:22:55.599 --> 00:23:00.960 unfortunately the photo isn't enough. The witness testimony leads credence, and this would 269 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:04.559 come up when I did move on investigations to the sighting. So it's a 270 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:11.960 good sighting, right, but still not necessarily that convincing to like a skeptic 271 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:18.000 or someone you might be really trying to prove something too. And so it 272 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:22.400 comes back to kind of what you had talked about. I mean, it's 273 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:26.200 the photo can be really interesting, it can demonstrate something, but I do 274 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:29.680 believe, and I don't think it's a problem to have, you know, 275 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.559 the old Carl Sagan thing, which is what we're stuck in, which is 276 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:38.839 extraordinary claims for our extraordinary evidence, and so that doesn't meet that extraordinary bar. 277 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:45.160 Right, that's the unfortunate position that we're in. I mean, the 278 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:49.119 bar is set really high, and to convince anybody beyond the shadow of a 279 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:56.599 doubt, there has to be, you know, pretty solid evidence. And 280 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:00.319 even with solid evidence, it's not going to necessarily quits a proof for many 281 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.680 people. Yeah, yeah, And I mean it would have been nice if 282 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.640 Bill Burns would have made some of these arguments, although he didn't. Although 283 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.920 he may have, and they just didn't use it for the show because it's 284 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.880 not that funny. Like, we've been talking about this for a while and 285 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.240 it hasn't been that funny. I think it's interesting, but not funny, 286 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:23.119 and their point was being funny. So I'll take it. I'll try I'll 287 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:26.759 try to be more funny along. No, that's okay, we're being serious, 288 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:29.720 which was important for that topic. Right, this is a serious show. 289 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.160 But the Joe Rogan Show is all about funny funny, so if it's 290 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.799 not funny, it's not making the show. So yeah, So that was 291 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.599 interesting with the Bill Burns point, And I don't know, Bill Burns kept 292 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:48.640 talking about anecdotal stuff and this became an ongoing thing in the show, and 293 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:53.039 I really think Joe Rogan makes a really good point. And maybe someone pointed 294 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:56.160 this out to him too. I don't know if you had the opportunity too, 295 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:02.599 that he's right that a lot of this is anecdotal. Even if some 296 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:07.279 of the people are very credible, it's still very anecdotal. Right. Yeah, 297 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:14.039 we definitely talked about them, and he you know that it's a point 298 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.359 that he you could tell because that's the direction of the show. Went he 299 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.119 agrees with, but he's also frustrated by it, you know, as we 300 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.799 all are. You know, I wish that weren't the case, but it 301 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.960 is, and it's what we've got to work with. Yeah. So, 302 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:32.599 so it would have been nice, and it's an important thing, but it 303 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:36.000 would have been kind of cool if they would have taken some really cool photographs, 304 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:37.279 a couple of real good wins, and taken a look at him. 305 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:42.119 And I think more shows need to do that, because there's a lot of 306 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:47.359 really good photos out there, and even let's say the mcmillonville photos which were 307 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:51.400 examined in the Condon Report and the condent scientist said was not a hoax. 308 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:55.519 It's a real object in the sky. Even those they're mentioned in a lot 309 00:25:55.519 --> 00:26:00.519 of these shows, but not thoroughly examined where people understand that aspect of it. 310 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.960 So, and that's television, that's entertainment. You know, there's limited 311 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.119 time, limited budgets. Yeah, but these shows that are about UFOs can 312 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.200 dedicate even an episode to that. I mean they can, They've got time, 313 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.079 they just don't do it. That's true much of the time. Yes, 314 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.279 Yeah, there's there's no excuse, Jason, none. So that was 315 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.039 a Bill Burns portion and then of course it did get funny and that they 316 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:30.759 argued back and forth. But did you have anything more to say about the 317 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.559 Bill Burns section of the show. No, I don't think so, So 318 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:38.519 next, I think next with Darryl Simms, right, probably, Yeah, 319 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:42.319 we'll talk about that anyway, because this is another important one. This is 320 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:51.680 abductions and implants. And it was kind of cool because Darryl Simms told his 321 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:56.000 story. They kind of made jokes while they're a talent the story, but 322 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.720 he brought out these implants that he has that he's been able to receive. 323 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:04.279 And this is what gets me is that which was cool about the Rogan show 324 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:08.200 is a they had one of them analyzed, right, which is very cool. 325 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:12.839 But this is what frustrates me with the people who have these implants. 326 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.880 Why haven't you done this already? Why if it was me and I had 327 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.319 a case like this where I thought it was a solid case and I got 328 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.200 this piece of material, my number one focus, my number one job would 329 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.039 be to get this piece of material analyzed. Yeah, I'm with you. 330 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.640 So why is this the first time he's finding out this information from Joe Rogan? 331 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:42.519 Why hasn't he done this before? That's kind of frustrating. I agree, 332 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:47.160 I was wondering the same thing because he brought a whole box full of 333 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:48.480 stuff. I wonder if any of us been tested, and I wonder why 334 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.319 they selected the one they did. But yeah, it was cool and unexpected 335 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.599 that the show actually did test so and what they found was interesting that this 336 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.519 thing was gold and silver? Was it? These little tiny little beads that 337 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:06.480 came from this girl, a young girl who said she had an experience and 338 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:11.720 these metals came fround of her nose and they're really tiny beads and they analyzed 339 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.920 them and they were gold and silver? Weren't they? I think they were? 340 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:22.400 But yeah, it was interesting because the scientists doing the testing found it 341 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:29.359 interesting. So that's what now needs to be done some more. I mean, 342 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:34.240 obviously some people might not know, and well they probably wouldn't know, 343 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.759 except I think we did include that in our story. But for instance, 344 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.359 Roger Lear is the most well known to have these implants, and he's had 345 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:49.440 some of them analyzed and he's had What happens, and we've talked about this 346 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:55.440 before, is that you go to a lab, you have them do the 347 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.279 work to analyze it. Typically, they'll give you the data, the raw 348 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.480 data, and then you need to have that translated. You can have someone 349 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.880 at the lab do it, or you could have someone else do it, 350 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:15.279 but you've got the raw data. Roger Lear has had his data analyzed by 351 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:21.599 one individual who's a lab tech. However, we sent that exact same data 352 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:30.079 to Kimbler, who is the guy in Roswell, New Mexico, who teaches 353 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:37.599 geology and at the New Mexico Military Institute, and he looked at it and 354 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:45.359 he disagreed with the translation that Lear had, and his translation was much more 355 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:51.480 mundane, not necessarily meaning that it isn't something unusual, just that the data 356 00:29:51.920 --> 00:30:00.839 retrieved thus far is not substantial evidence towards it being something unusual. So there 357 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:06.759 you have the issue, and the example being that you know, here again, 358 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:12.039 take that data to a credible source, because really you have now we 359 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.839 have a teacher at a military institute, you have this lab tech, but 360 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:22.079 we don't have an analysis by you know, someone who is an established expert. 361 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.720 Yet, Let's do this, you know, that's the most important thing. 362 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.720 Let's take this data to an established expert and have them tell us next, 363 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.640 right, and you know that's that's just good science. You know, 364 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.279 it might not be the easiest route to go, but it's what we have 365 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.640 to do to make sure the science is good. There has to be peer 366 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.559 review on these studies. Not all scientists are going to agree, but the 367 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:51.640 testing needs to be reproduced by other labs. And I'm sorry, but these 368 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.920 this testing needs to be done by people who are unbiased, who don't have 369 00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.000 an agenda, who aren't tied to one side or the other. They're just 370 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.119 looking to see what the data shows. Yeah, I mean people will ask 371 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.880 a lot of times I get that question. Well, a lot of people 372 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:10.359 will ask, you know, what about Ler? What about his implants? 373 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:15.079 And it's really interesting stuff and it's great, but the next step has not 374 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.240 been taken yet. I mean, you've got data, but we don't have 375 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.519 credible analysis yet. That needs to be done and it can be done, 376 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.680 and that's I hope what does get done. Like you said, that's good 377 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.839 science, and but that's where we're stuck right now. And a lot of 378 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.039 people don't understand that, and they're like, well, he did it an 379 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.640 analysis, didn't you know that? Yeah? I do know that. In 380 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.559 fact, I know the details of the of each step and we have our 381 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:45.720 own analysis, so but people don't understand you need you know, just like 382 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.400 it when it comes to sightings, you need credible experts, right. So 383 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:55.160 that's the next step with the implants. Hopefully that gets done because it's one 384 00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:00.240 area where there could be some really startling physical evidence that is just sitting and 385 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.839 waiting there to be discovered, right, and one of the best areas that 386 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:10.519 could could potentially have physical evidence. So it's worthy of taking the necessary steps 387 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.480 to get that tested and tested properly. And I wonder why it doesn't get 388 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:21.640 done sometimes. I wonder sometimes well, and I don't mean to be accusing 389 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:29.119 anybody of anything, but sometimes it seems like people don't get evidence analyzed because 390 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.119 they're afraid of the results. Sure, I think that's definitely valid, and 391 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:35.359 I don't know if this is the case, and I don't believe it to 392 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:39.119 be the case actually, But even some people, at least when it comes 393 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.640 to the implants, but in some cases, they don't want their gravy train 394 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:50.200 to end, right, And that's kind of unfortunate. And that's another thing 395 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:54.559 that comes into all of this. It's all these personality issues that come into 396 00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:00.359 play. YEP, and you are dealing with human nature. That's the doctor 397 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.680 that comes in and you know it's difficult to deal with. So yeah, 398 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.079 I think you're right that does come into play sometimes, not all the time, 399 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.000 but that's definitely something that has to be dealt with. So next is 400 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:14.880 mister Stephen Bassett. So and you know, I got to say, of 401 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.400 course we had our criticisms, and I'm sure we'll kind of mention that here 402 00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.960 a little bit of the way Bassett maybe goes around some of his things, 403 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.920 but of course we're passionate about the subject. Everybody in the feels that they 404 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.279 could, you know, do things a little differently. But I got to 405 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:37.680 say, when watching the show where they put in because they did cover Stephen 406 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.559 Bassett and the Citizen's Hearing, and they had clips from the citizens hearing, 407 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:50.119 and those clips are really invaluable. I mean they're really important and convincing, 408 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:58.240 and it made me really appreciate I think what Bassett had done a little more. 409 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:05.240 Yeah, definitely, And kudos to Joe Rogan and the show for choosing 410 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.360 the clips they did and showing the important stuff. So you know, I 411 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:13.760 think they saw the value in that too. For the show and looking at 412 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.800 that is some pretty good evidence. Well, and their point was, I 413 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.800 mean, in the end, and he has another good point that it's all 414 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.880 anecdotal. Sure it is, it is all anecdotal. But like he said, 415 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:29.119 if I had sat there for six days listening to this stuff, I 416 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.480 probably would have been convinced too. But in the end, it's all anecdotal, 417 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.599 right, Yeah, he realized that. But you know, he spent 418 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.039 a lot of time talking to what's the name of the congressman. Well, 419 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:43.760 yeah, I was going to talk about that next to Mike Gravel, right, 420 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.719 two term senator from Alaska, And I mean he really started getting into 421 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.880 things where, you know, Rogan seemed to be really convinced, especially with 422 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.039 what Gravell had to say. But yeah, but it was interesting how these 423 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:04.760 senators were convinced. Now, Mike Gravel worked with Daniel Sheehan who helped organize 424 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.199 this. Daniel Sheehan's work with Stephen Greer. He's been in the UFO field 425 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.440 for a long time. Mike Gravell, I believe, going into this already 426 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:16.320 was more informed than the other senators and was already down that road and believing 427 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:22.480 in this stuff. He's actually more of a kind of a renegade too. 428 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.760 I mean, he's always into kind of fringe more type of things. But 429 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.920 you know, he's a very convincing person. He comes across as a very 430 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:37.280 credible person, and he seemed very convincing to Joe Rogan. Yeah, that's 431 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.519 what it seemed like. Yeah, for sure. So it was great that 432 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:46.079 he had Mike Gravell, the two term senator from Alaska. He actually ran 433 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.719 for president, not that he really had a shot at it. I think 434 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:58.119 he ran under the Libertarian Party in the nineties. So but yeah, it 435 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.599 was another compelling part to everything. And I think at least, you know, 436 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:07.920 Joe Rogan was looking for evidence, sitting the far really high, He's 437 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.679 looking for some hard proof. But I think this part of the show is 438 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:16.840 very convincing. Yeah I thought so too. Yeah, but you're ready. 439 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.159 It did point out and you know that's a similar thing to me to Paul 440 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:27.159 Hellier, the former Minister of Defense in Canada. You know, he's very 441 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:32.239 outspoken about this topic and how very convinced he is that extraterrestrials are here living 442 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:39.440 on Earth. But when it comes down to it, that information is his 443 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:46.320 belief that he's formed from hearing what others have to say so again, based 444 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:51.360 on anecdotal evidences, it's great and it contributes a lot, but that's what 445 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.800 it is, so take it for what it's worth. But yeah, you 446 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.639 know what's great about it, though, is and highlighting it. I don't 447 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:04.519 people know if people realize how many you know, quote unquote credible people, 448 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:10.639 mainstream people like senators or like military officers are really into this topic, have 449 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:16.239 had their own experiences and are convinced that what they experienced was not just the 450 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:23.840 UFO, but that this was a craft from an extraterrestrial civilization. Absolutely, 451 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:29.199 and you're right, there's so many of them, and those really are my 452 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:37.719 favorite witnesses and and favorite I guess evidence in this this whole thing is is 453 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.960 some of the testimonies and thoughts from people like that. Yeah, so that's 454 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.000 that's one great thing. And again that's something I appreciated from the Citizen Hearing, 455 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:52.159 and that's that it provides on video a lot of testimony from these people 456 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:59.280 with great questions from uh, you know, retired politicians and then them having 457 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:05.679 to defend or clarify their position. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, I 458 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:09.440 think it was a great platform, and I think it did a great job 459 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:15.360 at what it was supposed to do, and we'll we'll see what can come 460 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.000 of it, if anything. You know, I think a lot of times 461 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:23.960 these efforts go unnoticed because a lot of people, for some reason feel that 462 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:31.119 it doesn't deserve attention. And I think that's a horrible, horrible situation because 463 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.679 you and I know, all Janter, there's so many exciting things and things 464 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.519 that definitely merit investigation in this whole phenomenon. It's fascinating, There's so many 465 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:46.599 unknowns and definitely needs to be explored. So the next part was with this 466 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.840 guy named Jason McClellan. I remember that, and now you get a chance 467 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.880 to set the record straight because he was asking you about Robert Bigelow, Robert 468 00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:01.840 Bigelow being a hotel tycoon, you know, who had done UFO research and 469 00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:07.960 he is the owner of Skinwalker Ranch, which we'll get into because that Grogan 470 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:15.599 was really interested in that, and according to you, Robert Bigelow may have 471 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:22.039 some UFOs. That is according to me at least in the show. Yes, 472 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.400 So, like I said at the beginning, I think it was great 473 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.920 and he definitely has a genuine interest in all this stuff. And so we 474 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:35.920 just talked and talked and talked about so many topics. My main purpose was 475 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:40.000 to talk about Bigelow and a lot of the conspiracies surrounding Bigelow and his his 476 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:49.679 UFO interest and so on. So those were discussed, and most of it 477 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:55.320 I didn't really well. There were there were a couple of issues that they 478 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.320 really wanted me to bring up for the show, but I had to explain 479 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.119 to them why they were non issues and if we did say them on the 480 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:08.119 show, we would look ill informed and they'd be chasing things that didn't really 481 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:13.840 need to be chased. So fortunately they allowed me to do that, but 482 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:19.159 I was I understood what they were they were wanting to do. They wanted 483 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:21.480 to get set up to go to Skinwalker and wanted to talk about some of 484 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:27.159 the conspiracies around him. So a lot of my comments about Robert Bigelow were 485 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:35.559 talking about things that some people believe and you know, some of the conspiracies 486 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:42.119 surrounding him. So in setting things up that way, comments may have been 487 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.320 used in other ways than we're coming out of my mouth, but that's to 488 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:50.840 be expected. You know, I knew that going in, so so I 489 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.159 mean that that was taken out of perspective that you said that he would work. 490 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.559 I mean, and what was the way that you had originally set as? 491 00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:59.880 Oh, I don't remember, it was so long ago, but you 492 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.159 know, talking about Bigelow might be in possession of UFOs. It's certainly something 493 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:10.199 that some people believe because Bigelow has spent millions and millions of dollars into researching, 494 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.239 actively researching, funding research into UFOs and extraterrustrial life. It's something he's 495 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.199 extremely passionate about. He's not shy about that, and you know, he's 496 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.079 got his big Low aerospace and people believe that, you know, he may 497 00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:29.920 be in possession of technology that will assist him in getting his habitats into space, 498 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.320 although his habitats are already in space. So that's really the context of 499 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.880 it, right, right, So they just took out the part where you 500 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:43.639 said some people believe, right, and then put in after that so just 501 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:46.840 so people know, you know that you don't necessarily believe that, but you 502 00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:52.320 do know that he's got an interest in this topic. It's a possibility that 503 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.360 he may we have no idea what he has, but no, I don't 504 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.880 think that's the case. It's the possibility, but many people will not many 505 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:06.880 some people believe that he's in possession of extraterrestrial technology. Yeah, I mean, 506 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.840 he probably wouldn't be looking for anything anymore if he had it. Yeah, 507 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.800 that's right. He would have the answers, but he's still hungry for 508 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.719 those answers. So another quote that they kind of took you, a little 509 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.760 out of context. I'm letting you, you know, set the records straight, 510 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:28.039 and that the Skinwalker Ranch. You said you hadn't been there because if 511 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:34.199 you had, you'd be dead. Yes, yes, I remember saying that. 512 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:40.599 I don't remember exactly how what the discussion was going along, but I 513 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.840 think we were talking about different things that people have seen at Skinwalker, what's 514 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.400 there, what happens to people who go there. We talked about the Claris 515 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:57.559 Island incidents and people dying from UFOs, and so I think this was at 516 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.480 a point we were joking around, and I don't remember exactly how it came 517 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.280 off, but yeah, I did say jokingly that if I'd been to Skinwalker, 518 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.639 I'd be killed. But then I went on to explain that it's a 519 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.400 place that given the opportunity, I would go to you in a heartbeat. 520 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:14.440 I'd love to do some investigation there, And no, I don't think I 521 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:15.800 would die at all. I let a skinwalker. I don't think anything would 522 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.440 happen, but I think I might see some interesting stuff. Yeah, that 523 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.079 could be the case. And yeah, because obviously you guys were joking out 524 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:28.679 around a lot and they put some of it in the show where he's like, 525 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.079 you know, can we take him a UFO? How do we get 526 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.199 big load of let us on Skinwalker Ranch? Can we take him a UFO? 527 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.119 Can we take him a hot chick in an alien outface? And You're 528 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.480 like, he's got lots of money, he could get that if you wanted, 529 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.360 that's right. Yeah, he said you got to figure out what what 530 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.360 men in their sixties like, I said, well, we know he loves 531 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.920 UFO, He's give him a UFO. Yeah. And then he proposed getting 532 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.480 a hot, hot alien chick and I said he could probably buy that. 533 00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:00.880 Yeah. So, and then the cool thing is is why you are talking 534 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:07.000 to Joe Rogan, his psidekick is talking to doctor Eric Davis, who is 535 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:13.880 a physicist. Yes work with NIDS or with Big Low NIDS, being the 536 00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:19.800 National Institute of Discovery Scientists which Bigelow funded and did all of this paranormal research, 537 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.039 and doctor Eric Davis was on the ranch and part of this, and 538 00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:28.760 he talked about some of their crazy experiences. Yeah, I was excited to 539 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.599 see him on the show. I'm glad they talked to him because he's, 540 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.280 in my opinion, a very credible person and I like a lot of what 541 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.039 he has to say. So it's cool having him on there, and they 542 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:43.400 seem to take him very seriously. Mm hmm. Yeah, and doctor Eric 543 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:49.039 Davis is a very credible person. I forget which award. I'm gonna look 544 00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.960 this up because we wrote about him just recently, but yeah, he is. 545 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:58.400 He's kind of a big deal, and they were really interested in what 546 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.239 he had to say because he confirmed some of the super strange things that happened 547 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:09.360 on the Skinwalker ranch. Like he even talked about this the portal opening up 548 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:14.320 and some kind of being walking in and out of a portal. Right, 549 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.400 Yeah, and I'm glad he set that up. You know, it's better 550 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.480 coming from him than coming from me. He was actively involved in researching that. 551 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.000 So but yeah, like I said, that's that's the place I'd love 552 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.719 to go because there are just so many reports of absolutely everything happening there. 553 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:37.039 It's like a grab bag of paranormal going on there. Yeah, he's a 554 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:43.320 physicist at the Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin. But I wanted to mention 555 00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.320 to do what he got because it was kind of like a big deal. 556 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:55.079 But he won the award for his Faster than Light space warp studies from the 557 00:45:55.079 --> 00:46:01.079 American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. We spoke at MUFIN recently too about this 558 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:06.519 and just that he speaks about how, you know, the possibility of technologies 559 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:08.920 that can go faster than light, that's how these things could be getting here, 560 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:14.800 which he believes you know, are here. And I love that discussion 561 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.800 so much, and we're going to hear more and more about that as our 562 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.800 own technologies change and we find these ways. I mean, the warp drive 563 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.920 is currently being worked on, and it's going to happen sooner or later. 564 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:34.440 But as our understanding of space changes, which happens every day, that excuse 565 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.159 we'll start going away at the excuse that, oh, that's ridiculous that extraterrestrials 566 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:42.039 could be here. There's no way they could travel from there to hear. 567 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:45.599 I think that that excuse is going to go away when our understanding of space 568 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.920 changes, which it will. We're a lot of us are arrogant to think 569 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.639 that, you know, we figured out concrete laws of physics and laws of 570 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:59.000 space. We don't really know anything. And that's what we're finding more and 571 00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.119 more every day with new studies of space, that we really just scratch the 572 00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.599 surface. So then they go to Skinwalker Ranch. They walk around with night 573 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.760 vision, they don't really have any experiences. They kind of go with this 574 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.800 guy who doesn't seem too credible because he has all these kind of crazy stories. 575 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:21.360 He kind of seems like he's making up really and they didn't really buy 576 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.360 what he had to say. That's what it seemed like. Yoh yeah, 577 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.679 I wasn't really by him because he was kind of a goofy seemed like he 578 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.599 was kind of just having fun. But then they ran across a rancher who 579 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.000 lived nearby and they interviewed him and he said, yeah, we all have 580 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.119 these really weird experiences around here. And he seemed like a normal guy, 581 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.000 very credible, just regular rancher guy. Yeah. And you know, we've 582 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.639 talked to a few people who live in that area, right, and you 583 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.719 know, people in the area, and you know, they've all got interesting 584 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.039 stores to say, yeah, you know stuff. Everybody's got a weird story 585 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:59.280 from around here. So it's commonly known that strange things are afoot Skinwalker Ranch. 586 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.719 Yeah, so I mean, and that was kind of There was a 587 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:05.880 lot more joking afterwards. Oh no, they did interview this girl too, 588 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.480 Oh yeah, and they made fun because she was someone who claimed to have 589 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:14.480 had an abduction experience and she was this really pretty girl with tattoos and yeah, 590 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.679 she had a big scar. I thought she'd been in playing. Yeah, 591 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:22.519 so the sidekick had interviewed her, and he was kind of twitter paid 592 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:28.800 and a little too distracted, distracted by her looks to interview her thoroughly. 593 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.079 But yes, And Joe gave him lots of crap for that, right, 594 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.320 and even hassled him some more. On his podcast on the Joe Rogan Experience, 595 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:43.400 they talked about that and that the segment is on sci Fi's website where 596 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.760 they've got like a post clip where he and his buddy talk about it after 597 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.599 the show, and he said, man, I sent you there to do 598 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.199 some investigation, but I should have known better. You were worthless. Yeah. 599 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:58.280 I watched that too, That was hilarious. Yeah, and I would 600 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.159 recommend people go watch that because they are kind of doing some talking afterwards, 601 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:07.559 and I know the show definitely he was very skeptical, but really in that 602 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:13.239 podcast you can see how he still thinks he's really interesting. He was like, 603 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.280 you know, kind of can like this stuff is so fascinating and how 604 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.920 he really considers it. It was just that he was setting kind of a 605 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.960 high bar for that particular show, which isn't a bad thing. I think 606 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.679 it's good to set a high bar, and I think it's good to do 607 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.039 that because that's what the rest of the world is doing and if we want 608 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:38.960 to really get look for the best evidence and move past anecdotal stuff. Anecdotal 609 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.280 stuff is great. I love to bring it down the show, We love 610 00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.199 to talk about it and write about it. But in the end, you 611 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.400 know, at least I know, we have a focus on looking for better 612 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:52.440 than that, because we need better than just anecdotal. We need, you 613 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:58.400 know, what is considered hard evidence or proof for everyone in order to push 614 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:04.159 that forward, to move thing forward. And I'm just I'm not I think 615 00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:06.920 that is possible. I think it's out there. We just got to work 616 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:13.559 really hard yeah, I agree with you, And yeah it I understand from 617 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:17.679 from Joe's point too, that you know, looking for more. You have 618 00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.760 people who are genuinely interested in this, have been interested in this for a 619 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:28.320 very long time. So after a while, Yeah, I mean those photos, 620 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:32.760 the testimony, all that stuff is great stuff. It's it's always going 621 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.719 to be. But you could to a point where if you're looking for more, 622 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:42.440 I get that. You know, what's what's the point in belaboring the 623 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.079 same thing over and over and over. You've already you've already seen that, 624 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.239 You've already gone down that road. So if you're doing a television show trying 625 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:52.880 to be different than every other television show talking about the same case as every 626 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.079 other television show talks about and seeing the same photos every show is showing, 627 00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.480 you got to do something different. And I understand that his goal was to 628 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:07.079 see something more than he had seen, So right, all right, Well 629 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.599 that's pretty much the show. I think we talked about the other media step 630 00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:13.079 earlier. Was there something else you wanted to add? Well, I will 631 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:17.000 say that you know this this show, I overall I was. I was 632 00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:22.719 happy with with how they presented it. It was much better than I thought 633 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:28.760 it would be, and going into it, I kept in mind, you 634 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:34.400 know, what I'd been told from our buddy Clifford Cliff because he he did 635 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.239 what show did he do? The Cobert Report? Yeah, and you know, 636 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.400 people gave him a lot of crap for that, and you know, 637 00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:45.519 going along and playing playing with the skits and being silly about the topic. 638 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.039 But you know, you have to go into these things understanding what they are 639 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.320 from the beginning. And Joe Rogan as a comedian, this is an entertainment 640 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:58.800 show on sci Fi. So going into it knowing that I knew what to 641 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.000 it, well, I feared, you know, much worse, and knew 642 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:06.360 that it could be because it's it's an entertainment show. But overall I thought 643 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:10.639 they treated it well. They did give a lot of time and attention to 644 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:16.519 important things like the citizen hearing and talk to great people like Eric Davis and 645 00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:22.119 myself to my own horn. But yeah, so annoying. It was a 646 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:29.400 comedy mainly comedy show. You know, I was expecting a low bar and 647 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:32.079 I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah, I got to agree with you. You 648 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:37.880 know, I think I liked it. Overall. I thought it was funny 649 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:43.599 and I thought they brought up some really good convincing staff, so overall I 650 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.480 pretty much thought it was kind of cool. And in these things, you 651 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.559 have to know your role, and I think you kind of have to play 652 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:52.400 along otherwise you're not fitting with the show and you know that you're going to 653 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.000 be cast in a negative light. You know, if you you butt heads 654 00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:59.480 and you sit there and don't understand that they're they're trying to be lighthearted. 655 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:06.239 If you don't understand that and play back a little bit, they're going to 656 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:07.800 be less interested in what you have to say. So right, if you 657 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.440 can come down to their level and go along with what they're looking for, 658 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.239 then what you say is going to be more important. Yeah, I totally 659 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:20.119 agree with you there. Before you go, There's one thing I want to 660 00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:28.719 talk about and people may not know, but unfortunately, Jesse Marcel Junior passed 661 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:34.320 away yesterday of a heart attack. He's someone that I've known for a long 662 00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:39.360 time because I met him doing the Roswell conferences for the city and so of 663 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:44.719 course we always bring him and then I was running his website for a long 664 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:50.960 time and forwarding his messages. He of course is the son of Jesse Marcel, 665 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:55.320 who was the intelligence officer first on the scene in Roswell who collected the 666 00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.480 material, and then later in the seventies was interviewed by Samton Friedman to say 667 00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:05.360 that, hey, what I had collected was not a weather balloon that was 668 00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.840 vs. It was something very strange that we thought was extra treasturil. So 669 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:14.280 he helped make that Roswell become the big famous thing it is today. And 670 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.559 Jesse Marcell Junior, his son, had seen some of the material that his 671 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.320 father had brought home. He was in the military. He was a flight 672 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:31.880 surgeon, very nice, credible person who supported his father's story and supported saying, 673 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.719 hey, I saw some of that material. It's the strangest thing I 674 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:40.440 had ever seen. And unfortunately he passed away. And you had the privilege 675 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:47.239 of recently going to the Riswell crash site with him and even to the place 676 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:52.880 where the material was stored. It was incredible. Yeah, I was so 677 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:59.000 sad to hear about his passing, and I'm fortunate to have been able to 678 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.039 go out to the debris filled with him. And that was just an incredible 679 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:07.760 experience going out there with both he and Frank Kimbler. We went out there 680 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.320 and Yeah, he hadn't been out there in a long time, and he 681 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:19.719 was out there with his daughter too, and I just was very impressed with 682 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:25.480 what a smart man Jesse he was not just I mean, he was a 683 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:34.760 doctor and was deployed to the Middle East in his sixties. I think he's 684 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:40.440 very very active military person. But his intelligence that surprised me, was very 685 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:46.320 current enough to date with things developing with the privatization of space and these private 686 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:51.280 space companies and space exploration, lots of new developments. I was able to 687 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.440 kind of geek out with him about a lot of space stuff, and that 688 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:57.800 that really surprised me. Was unexpected, But he was very excited about everything 689 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.800 that's going on in space and where where we're going, and how well we'll 690 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:07.599 soon be moving out into space, and so I'll remember that forever. That 691 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.039 was just great. Yeah, really really cool guy. So our condolences to 692 00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:15.800 his family, and I'm certainly gonna gonna miss him. We seeing him every 693 00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.880 year in Roswell and just talking to him once in a while, and he's 694 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.039 just a really really cool guy. You know. It's it's really nice to 695 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:28.559 meet some of these people, and they turned out to be so down to 696 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:32.199 earth and just really caring, decent people, so down to earth, such 697 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.400 a caring, sweet guy, so approachable. It's just somebody you just want 698 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.800 to hug him, you know, he is so just such a nice guy. 699 00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.559 Yeah, all right, Well, thank you big Jay for being on 700 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:51.519 the show. Another one down and that was a lot of fun. And 701 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:53.599 just you know, we've talked about a lot of stuff because I thought they 702 00:56:53.639 --> 00:57:00.920 brought up a lot of really important topics. Yeah, and then there were 703 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.760 a lot more that he was very fascinated and that didn't get shown in the 704 00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:07.960 show, but you know, hopefully they'll consider that for another episode. But 705 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.880 we talked a lot about the Phoenix lights and about mass sightings and all sorts 706 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:15.280 of interesting things. But like I said, a genuinely curious guy who really 707 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:22.519 passionately wants proof like we all do. Right, all right, So go 708 00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.800 check out Joe Rogan Questions Everything. You can go to the Sci Fi Channel 709 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:30.079 and they do a synopsis of everything that was on the show, and then, 710 00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:31.440 like Jason said, you can see some of the clips of the show 711 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:37.400 and also some aftermath stuff that they did on there that you can watch. 712 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.960 You can also go to Amazon I right right now and watch the whole episode 713 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.039 if you would like, or just keep an eye on the Sci Fi channel. 714 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:50.599 I'm sure they're running rerunts. Otherwise, don't forget to check out open 715 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.559 Minds dot tv for the latest. 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