Let me all right, we're all set cool, all right, Hey,
welcome to PBF podcast number I don't even know anymore. Today we're bringing Jaydyer
on. We're gonna have a discussion about occultism with military and the intelligence community.
I guess it's a perfect thing for a Memorial Day or something. I
don't know, kind of ironic how that worked out, but it was like
days off for us, so we figured it was a good time and Jay
had the time open. But you know, it's it's great to have Jay
come on here. I know that we've communicated for the past few years,
back and forth followed one another. Um, you know, for me,
spicy, a lot of spicy memes you put up. Yeah, And because
of those spicy memes, sometimes we're hard to find. Yeah. Right,
you're like a ghost, you come and go. Yeah. But we're on.
I think this is our forty first iteration of the yeah yeah. Because
when we were back on Facebook, Um, we were repeatedly getting zapped there.
Now that was back in the day two. I mean we were rude,
you know, I mean we were trying, but we were rude about
stuff when it came to the military, and so we got on people's radars.
And actually it was that stupid dude that like a bunch of the military
guys have gone to Columbia and they started up his dad worked for Fox News
and they started up their own little news site or whatever like that. But
we would start nailing them. And then because his dad worked for Fox News,
he had connections with Facebook, and like if we said something mean about
him, we'd boom get deleted. Yeah. Yeah, man. So that's
what's kind of funny too, because you know, for me, it's always
been about honesty, right and so but it was kind of a nihilistic honesty,
I think. But as I was starting to look at the world and
I was starting to look for, you know, what's truth and things like
that, that's how I ended up stumbled upon some of your stuff. And
like one of the first things that I really paid attention to you was Tryan
Hope when you did that, and I bought the book because you were saying
things that were in tragedy and Hope and I was like, there's no way
this is true, do you know what I mean? Like, because it
doesn't sound real and would you just you know what, since I'm talking about
that, I can talk about it if you want to, like what is
Tragedy and Hope? Tragy Hope is a gigantic, twelve thirteen hundred page book
written by a doctor Carl Quigley, who was the some say basically the archivist
for the Council on Foreign Relations. So he's kind of like to enter historian
for the Western global power elite. And he was also the mentor to Bill
Clinton, so he kind of trained him, and in terms of his intellectual
enterprise, he was also a military historian. Oddly enough, he's not like
a geopolitical policymaker, but for whatever reason, they chose him to kind of
be the strategist for how to how to raise and rear Bill Clinton into the
global plate structure and make sure he was a good boy being a bad boy.
Um, yeah, so that's quickly. And then yeah, there's a
whole lore around the book that the plates the original place were destroyed and he
supposedly said too much. I don't know exactly how much true out of all
that. I'm not denying people's claims about that. I just don't know the
lore behind the book. But I mean I also heard these stories here that
it was given to Cia Section Chiefs in the nineteen seventies to help explain you
know, like why are we funding communists? Well, here, read this
book, you know, so so yeah, So basically it's it's like a
giant history of the twentieth century from the perspective of the power elite. It
was written I think in the nineteen sixties, so it kind of ends,
you know, in the Cold War. But it is wild how much stuff
is in there. I mean, he really packed it with, you know.
Basically, oh, yeah, course, the banking elague are pretty much
behind the wars, and they've constructed you know, a giant Fiat scam system
for the you know, the reserve system to rape everybody, um, on
and on on all the way to you know, yeah, we're gonna build
a giant computer cities that are technocratic nightmares. I mean, it's all in
there. Yeah, it's it's like the whole idea that you're in a forced
Tagalian dialectic and quite often you're just looking for a jersey to put on.
And how they control that with the media propaganda. It's it's crazy, especially
you know for both um, you know, Doc and I you know,
coming from that military background, obviously military thinking that we were wearing our jersey
at that point. Yeah, good guys. Yeah, we're not realizing that
we were just working for the corporations and banks. So it's right, I
opened and that's honestly like you helped bring me to that. And the irony
of it too as well, was you know, like whenever you had podcast
on orthodoxy, I would totally avoid them. I was like, I don't
want to deal with that. I don't want to deal with religion, you
know. I thought that there was a way outside of religion, like I
could just with rationalism figure this out. But it was a podcast that you
did with Tristan and with Jim Bob. It was on the Boiler Room with
Hest and on that episode, Tristan suggested getting the Nihilism and then also the
Orthodox Study Bible. Well guess what I got Nihilism. I didn't get the
Study Bible yet because again I was like, all right, I'm reading read
a book. But I made it through the second chapter of Nihilism and I
was like, Okay, he says everything I've been thinking, and then more
he provides the whole framework from scholasticism through the resapanse, through rationalism up to
now where we're at, and I was like, well, I guess we're
gonna get that orthodox steady Bible. And then yeah, well, you know,
it's funny, that's a good contrast between those two books actually, because
you know, Tragy and Hope also covers a lot of history and philosophy.
Maybe not a lot of it, but like at the beginning chapters and then
the end chapters discuss the aspects of Western civilization that Quigly thinks that can can
continue on, and they're kind of like the worst aspects. So it's like,
if we just had more libertarian economic freedom and if we just had more
you know, I don't know, basic bids, liberalism or whatever he's arguing
for, that's the hope, right, So the tragedy is the two World
wars. The hope is that democratic neoliberal capitalism can um, you know,
give the world the best what he thinks the best aspects of Western civilization.
He contrast that with other seven roses stages of nihilism and revolution. Right,
revolution progresses from you know, the seventeen hundreds up to today is just total
you know, denial of biology, you know what I mean. Like it's
like that's the end goal of where we are now. So the contrast between
the two books couldn't be greater. Well, you know, and it's just
I had spent a lot of time reading Dostoevsky earlier, you know, when
it was by agnostic stage. But when I hit Father Sharaff from Rose,
it's just all clicked, you know. And then you can see like leading
up to like Nietzsche and what came about in the twentieth century, like the
godlessness that led to all the wars and everything that we're seeing, and then
like what you're seeing too as well, like now creating a mini genders genderless
society, just creating that trans human Yeah, I think, you know,
And that's that's the thing is, like I don't know how number one,
you know, because leading up to this pod catch with the occultism, I
ended up getting um that book on the left hand path, and you know,
just reading through people like I've read some of these books at times,
but it's often at a small type of thing, but to actually sit down
there and trying to make notes of what's going on, like I can only
make it ten pages sometimes and I gotta put it down. It's like these
guys are so full of crap, you know, like they're so full of
themselves, and I don't know what, Like you have read so many books
of what's the opposition, and it's a it's a library of information. I
would suggest the audience going to Jay's page. And then also, um Jay
does host on what do you what do you call? How do you describe
ajum lord Valdemort right because you can? Yeah, yeah, that was a
joke that he was making when he first got banned everywhere. He was like,
I'm like Valdemort from Harry Potter. Folks, you can't name me.
You'll get if you name my name. But it's a great too. You
know a lot of times on Friday, Jay host that. But you're doing
like podcast almost every day too. Anyway, you know various topics, and
you've got some books as well. But if you would just go ahead and
before I try to give you your biography, maybe you can give us your
elevator pitch. Yeah, I get to ask it. I don't even know
how to describe what we do anymore. Like right, like so like we
had we have a boomer family member and he doesn't know like what I do
at all. He knows that I do this kind of stuff and like he
just calls it. He's like, how's your internet business doing? Like the
way that the Boomer thinks about the Boomer thinks about what I do, it's
like just so foreign to them. But um, yeah, we do a
lot of stuff. So basically, we we cover movies, we cover geopolitics,
we cover philosophy, we cover literature. Now we're trying to do more
lit in history just to kind of break things up. I get really bored.
I'm doing the same topic over and over and over. So that's why
you've you've seen such a cycle of topics that we've covered over the years.
But yeah, we do that. I do the fourth Hour Ballut shows every
Friday. Um, what else do we do? Uh? You got up
in la as well? Right, Yeah. I actually have a whole bunch
of events coming up. So this is weird because this year turned into the
year of live events. So that was something that we kind of experimented doing.
Um at the advice of Sam Tripoli. He was like, oh no
live Oh. I was like, okay, sure, we'll try it out.
I didn't think it would be it would do very well, but it's
been fun. It's a it's a I guess sided stream of income. But
anyway, Yeah, so we have a July sixth live event. We've incorporated
like comedy, stand up, um, all the impressions, all that kind
of stuff in the live events. So that'll be July six in La.
If you're in La, you want to come out. It's gonna be a
lot of fun. We'll have Jamie Kennedy from Scream is gonna be there.
We did a podcast and hit off pretty good, had a good conversation,
so we discussed doing a live event anyway. Um. Yeah, So I've
written three or four books. Three three books, um, working on the
fourth book, two on Hollywood, one on philosophy. Um. Yeah,
so that's basically the Red Book of Philosophy or the Red One counts. Yeah.
Well, the material in the little books the same as what's in the
Red Books, just two different formats. Because the funny thing about the I
didn't make the Red Book. Somebody else did. So it's a funny story.
Yeah, it's a funny story because I don't know who did that.
Somebody just like took all of my essays and put them in a book,
which I had no idea they did that, and I'd be like, it'd
been nice for you to ask me if you've done this first. I just
did that, and then I tried to take it down like three or four
times, and they would just put it right back up. So I was
just like, all right, fine, I'll just roll with it. So
so that's for that book. It's not actually my book. What it is,
well, Lose is cool, though, I mean unfortunately for you,
I can see that's challenging. But I know, like I've been able to
find you know, like the Russian Martyr series. Oh yeah, you can
find crazy stuff on there. Yeah, yeah, and that that's dude.
Tell you what, reading that Russian Martyr series, like I've got to read
got a chapter at a time when you're diving into what happened with Bolshevism,
it's like it just gets you. You're like, Okay, that's painful,
but it's that whole period is crazy. Um yeah, I know. I
don't mean to be I'm not whining too much because I actually it turned out
to be a good thing that they put that Red Book together because they tweaked
whoever did it tweaked it a little bit, so it's a little better format
now and it's still kind of you know, home done. But anyway,
so yeah, that's what we do. Um. We used to we did
a lot of debates, but we kind of it's not that we got tired
of debates, but it just got to a point where basically there weren't really
any quality people from these other traditions that were really wanting to step up.
And we kept reaching out, like I would reach out to more of the
top Muslims, more of the atheists, and it just kind of went quiet,
like we couldn't really get anybody to do it. So that's the main
reason that the debates kind of subsided. But for a while there, for
about two years straight, we were doing pretty you know, pretty high hardcore
debates with Matt Delahuntie, Steffanmalanu, all the different Muslim guys. Yeah,
it's always funny too, you know, it's funny like in reading this book,
it reminded me not necessarily on the debates with the Muslims, but sometimes
when you hear the Muslims talk, you know, reading the book on the
Occult, they in really reading the way the Occult writes thinks how they like
to you know, they'll they'll throw Mohammed in there, and then they'll say,
but then he said, and then they'll do like the big long like
Arabic thing that nobody has any idea, and they'll tell you what it said.
That's what the coult just remind me of at times. Yeah, exactly,
it's interesting. That's a good parallel. I have a question for you
guys, so, like, did you have that? A lot of military
guys I've noticed like they have a very kind of practical attitude towards things because
it's like, well, this ship doesn't work, and then I don't care
about it, right, And so then then that that attitude is kind of
applied to all of the fields like oh well religion, well, you know,
does this work? You know where I don't see this God? It's
not practical. So was that the attitude that you had when you said you
had this kind of agnostic I think a lot of us have that phase too,
like you know where we was that your approach to the question. Well,
so I'll give mine real quick background and then you can give yours two
men of mind. Yeah. For me, like I grew up I was
born Roman Catholic, baptized, I grew up much more like my best friend
growing up is a Lutheran pastor and I used to hang out with him.
But you know, experiencing a lot of the Protestant side of things, it
was like that I reached a point of where I was just like, yeah,
none of this, it didn't really come together. It didn't hold water
for me. And so especially when I joined the military, you know,
and then dealing with and confronting things the military side, for me, at
a certain point, seeing evil the way I saw evil, I especially with
a Protestant framework, I was like, you know, Okay, there can't
be a God because you wouldn't allow this sort of evil. Obviously, with
the background of the theology as I've learned it a lot more with Orthodoxy,
it makes a lot more sense because it's not that God allows that. Our
rejection of God has created a world that's a godless world that allows evil.
Yeah, I've kind of like somewhat similar, very kind of pragmatic, kind
of grew up Latinos so like I grew up Roman Catholic, became a Protestant,
and then just yeah, it didn't really kind of work out in that
aspect. I was trying to apply things and like that theologically don't really kind
of add up and don't make sense. It's like, how am I supposed
to do all these things if I don't have the proper framework. I'm not
fascinating, I'm not praying as much as I should. And then I'm only
saying what's on my mind, and most of the time it's like I have
no clue what I'm saying. So, yeah, I kind of fell out
from a lot of that, like into like drug use and all this stuff,
and eventually like I'm just gonna join with the military, and then that
kind of gave me some structure, which was good. But then yeah,
like you said, that was a good point of things, became very pragmatic.
It's okay, does this work cool, then we're gonna keep doing that.
This We're gonna try. Yeah, and if it makes sense, Yeah,
I'm sorry to me. I mean, I was gonna ask, did
you guys, uh, did you guys view military as And there's the reason
I'm gonna ask. I'm asking you guys all this and others. It's like
I'm not I'm not sioping you to like flip the inter you guys are like,
what's he doing? Man? So like a lot of guys joined the
military for for various reasons. The weird thing is that in my case,
my dad was like a stupid He loved the military, like you thought it
was so great. He worshiped it. And if he hadn't been so heavy
on it, I might have actually joined in the military. But like when
you're a teenager and your parents, you know, your dad like loves the
military, he's always trying to push it on you. That's the last thing
you want to do, right, You'll say, I'm like, Noah,
hell no, I'm not joining the military because you want me to. Well,
if he if he hadn't been that way, I might have because I've
always had, you know, an interest in these kinds of things. But
my mom was opposite. She was always like, no, don't let him
go in there. You know he's he's not he's not made for that.
It'll be all right anyway. So I'm curious, like, was it,
oh, I just want to stop doing drugs and I want to you know,
clean up my life, or was it, oh, I want to
get that money for college, or like what Because I had a military family,
that's the weird part. It was like I had a uncle who was
like a super cold warrior dude. And my dad was like a you know,
he wasn't an officer, but he was enlisted, but he really loved
the Navy and they were always pushing it. So I'm always curious as to
why people chose to go into the military. Yeah, for me, m
my uncle was in Vietnam and like, so he was a Murney and so
I kind of had that aspect. I always like helping people out, Like
I grew up poor, so it was just like, oh, we're and
with even still with that protest in mindset, we were helping other people were
in like struggling positions. And then as I kind of fell away, I
kind of like started doing drugs and all this other stuff, and I'm like,
I need to clean myself up, cleaned up my life, and I
knew it was kind of give me a little bit more of like a structure
and a bit more maturity, and then it it did. But then it's
also kind of like the thirteenth grade in a weird way because there's people are
very immature that it just it gets a little overboard. But sometimes like once
you actually go to like deployable units and stuff like that. It gets a
lot more serious, at least from my experience, from like doing that,
especially with like the Marine Corps and stuff like that. Spending time overseas,
you get that seriousness of like, no, hey, this training, like
if you don't do things right, people are gonna die. And like it
really kind of steered me a little bit more forward to every little thing that
you kind of do matters. So it kind of set me up in a
good way. And then you know, eventually I kind of wanted to offer
something to someone, you know, and like if I was gonna get married
and stuff, have some form of stable income and do that. So that's
what it was for me. So it was kind of like a way out
of just of my hometown and then to do something better. But ironically enough,
I study in California for like forever. For me, man um so
I was like a punk rock skater kid, really rebellious, and I'm still
like in my own way. That's probably kind of what I think adds to
sort of the character of you know, the spicy memes. It helps me
to come from that direction. I was supposed to start college. I was
actually I went to art school for a year and I had I postponed it
just for you sound like me, by the way, I almost went to
art school. I ended up I ended up doing a year, man,
but I postponed it for a year. And then in the process of postponing
it for a year, I had a vehicle that broke down and it was
going to cost me a ton of money. And I was like, you
know what, man, I'm just gonna give this a shot. And so
I went in. I did all right on like the ASVAB. I had
an opportunity. I wanted to go like into languages linguistics, but a lot
of the stuff that I wanted to go into and that area was closed.
So I went ahead, and I'd like just chose a different path in doing
that. And it was funny because when I was in the military, how
many people I stumbled upon that had an attitude like mine. You know,
There's a lot of my friends that were in like special operations community and things
like that, and there was a parallel. A lot of the people like
those were real people, you know, and I got to know real people,
and those are people like I'm still friends with now. I don't know
if I've answered your question right, you know, it's just like I didn't
go into it like all gung ho, like you know, Team America.
But while I was in I became like much more Team America. But when
I got out for a while, I was hardcore Team America, you know,
like okay, you know, like you know, like as I rejected
all these things before, this all makes sense now and then it's kind of
come back to like then I realized I started wearing that juriously you know again
it was that Hegelian dialectic I was playing into. Yeah, yeah, I
just always I think it's fascinating to find out the motivations. Look why people,
you know, chose that path in life, and because something every now
and then, like you'll meet the people that are like, oh this is
you know, my family worships this, right, it's like the greatest highest,
you know, calling that you could ever do. And then other people
are like, oh, I was just you know, trying to get laid.
And I thought if I were, like if I wore a uniform,
chicks digg it. You know, just crazy reasons anyway, you know,
and we gotta go. I guess that ties into what what you guys want
to talk about today in the sense that like, um, you know,
military is in a sense I mean, I'm not saying it's it's not a
it's an honorable definitely a calling in the sense that to defend the country and
all this kind of stuff and to be a soldier is a noble, virtuous
profession and we know that from you know, Vine revelation, scripture at many
places in tradition. So but we can also, I think understand that these
institutions can be corrupted and can be used for nefarious purposes. And there's always
been I think some degree of a temptation maybe for people in the military towards
something like Satanism. And the reason I think that is because well, number
one, I have a I have a friend who's a who's a marine Southeast
China sea analyst guy, and he loves military history. And he got me
to get this history military history of Western World by a guy named Fuller,
And he was telling me the background of this guy and they're like, oh,
he's like, oh yeah, this guy's like a famous military story but
he's like a Satanist and all this stuff. And I'm like, what the
what he's a Satanist And and He's like, yeah, well, if you
think think about it, you know, the idea of the soldier being you
know, kind of a lawn to himself and you've got to improve. Like
it's like the extreme form of self improvement to the point of self worship,
which is the philosophy of the Satanists. So I think that's where the overlap
comes, is that the there can be an extreme of this idea that I'm
going to be the perfect killing machine. I'm going to train myself to be,
you know, this super Nietzsche and Uberman's version of myself, and that
overlaps with you know, the Satanic Nietzsche and Ethos to a degree I think
is like one dude, I agree. And that's like one of the things
that I have found more difficult as I've been kind of moving along and well,
I don't know the challenge I guess I should say, as I moved
along in my path of orthodoxy and like developing some more discernment, I guess
at times, but then I run into the egos of people where I used
to thrive off of my ego, and I run into that with a lot
of the guy that I've known. At times, they don't have humility,
and they just like they're light. They see the light, but they think
the light is them and not somewhere else that they're not a reflection of the
light. You know, they're focusing on that, and they're focusing on that
in that very luciferian way. It is. It's so common, you know,
I know at times, and that was the irony of it. It
wasn't until you know, in the last few years as I've started to reflect
on this, that there's people, oddly enough that I would bump into who
were occultist, satanic things like that, and it was funny and ironic how
many of them had ties they were part of, like Intel, they were
into witchcraft exactly. Yeah, I remember years ago I would go to like
I'm always my mom was a librarian and an editor, so I've always grown
up with books and anytime I go anywhere to a city like, I always
go to the bookstores first. I remember years ago, like maybe in the
early two thousands, like not too long after the Big nine event I lived.
I lived in its now that's not too far from a pretty prominent famous
base and it's like a military city, right, and uh so I would
go to the bookstores back in the early two thousands, and I remember even
then like I would I would go to this bookstore, Probabs, a giant
one, and I would go probably once every month, and I remember a
consistent pattern of I was noticing a lot of the soldiers from the base would
pop up in the occult section buying like Satanic books. And I mean,
I don't have any proof of this. I just always wondered, like,
you know, were they promoting this like at that at that local you know,
I mean, I know the military has had like the Satanic chaplains,
and you know they've had you know, people like a keynote in there for
a long time. But I was just always wondering, like, why are
all these military dudes over here buying witchcraft books? Buying you know, Anton
LaVey's books. It was it was a consistent pattern I would notice. I
think, like from my experience was that like if you look at them like
I've just out last year or so, like I still it's still kind of
fresh. It's like the way the system works is just like for promotion,
you have to have like a bragsheet and practically brag about yourself. So as
you're already feeding that egoistic kind of set like mindset, and then everything's about
yourself, the big things you are doing, so you start pushing it to
that, and then a lot of people don't like to have that that Christian
kind of mindset of stuff. So it's just like it's more I guess in
an opposition, but it's like they try to find things to kind of to
be edgy. Honestly, a lot of people are kind of edgy when it
comes to like a lot of military stuff like that, and even when it
comes to like Satanism. Some people are honestly some of the smartest and dumbest,
like people I've met. I've been like in the military high i Q
guys, and I don't know if it's just out of sheer curiosity. But
then also there's been other events like Bible burning in Afghanistan because they didn't want
to proselytize, and little things like that that eventually add up that kind of
plants that that seed of just like hey man, Christianity is nothing, So
then they kind of start looking at all this occultism or even just the esoteric
things like I could you get bored undeployment, you meet people, you start
talking. So I think that kind of also opens up that door into deal
coal because I've had conversations like out overseas where it's just like you're bored and
you've been sitting in a hole, you're sitting in a truck, and it's
just like okay, bro, like, so what do you like? And
then just you know, you meet that one dude who's just kind of a
little out there. And I think that's what opens up those doors because people
get really closed real fast. So at least from my experience, Yeah,
and that levaging style of Satanism is perfect for that because it's like we're Satanist,
but we really don't worship Satan. We're atheist Satanists, you're just worshiping
yourself. You know. It's like it's a great gateway. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, And I think, um, I don't I can't prove this.
But another theory I've had is that, you know, I think a
lot of these cults, well this is not a theory. A lot of
the cults do have overlap with uh, you know, intelligence agencies, and
they've been used in various capacities and they've been reading grounds for experiments and for
you know, finding wackos and Patsy's and that kind of stuff. I think
that is true, but I wonder. I wonder too, Like you know,
for example, I read a book a couple of years ago that was
talking about I think back in the seventies that there was an experiment in the
military where they were really trying to push on certain battalions, an experiment with
getting them all into positive thinking, and they were trying to see if,
like if they got all the soldiers into Norman Vincent Peel and like uh,
you know, basically chanting mantras about how awesome you or every day, if
that would actually work. But I thought it was an odd experiment. But
that's hied in with the same timeframe of in the nineteen seventies when they were
really pushing the guys. Have seen Minister at goats, right, yeah,
yeah, that that whole like Stanford research for its Earth Battalion and phase of
where you know, can we can we train these Jedi size soldiers right,
which I think the program was kind of a failure, but some of the
aspects of it, like remote viewing and this kind of stuff seemed to be
fairly successful. So so one hard document that can be pointed to that we
do know for sure is the whole Samford Research First Battalion stuff where they started
pushing kind of these light forms of occultism and experimentation in the military. The
intelligenciations are doing this tube not just the US, but the Soviets had size
spice too, where they're trying to see could we tap into you know,
psychic powers and train our soldiers to have remote viewing capabilities and you know,
so those elements are known, those are all declassified. And then there's the
harder, crazier stuff, you know, with some of the Serial Killer Program's
Phoenix program, you know, can we weaponize these kind of crazy people that
we've profiled to be assassins? Uh? You know, you you guys know
about Phoenix program and all that. Yeah, yeah, I think The thing
is too is like, uh, maybe you realize this probably and I don't
know how people in the audience, you know, especially when guys get into
special operations, there's a whole psychological evaluation that goes into that, you know,
and you know, I mean there's psychological evaluations for different things, but
specifically in the special operations community. They're trying to find people with sociopathic tendencies,
just three allity of it. Yeah, exactly that, that's that's what.
Um, it's pretty obvious. I mean, and you know, the
books written on this are written by you know, guys who were in the
military, like Douglas Valentine, and he's very critical and I don't uh and
I don't necessarily agree with all of his conclusions, but because I think he
kind of went into thinking like, oh, you know, all of this
Western stuff's bad and so you know, maybe Buddhism is good or something like
that, which I don't agree with. But but he does have uh,
you know, pretty technical, detailed account of what went down in the Phoenix
program, and and you know that's interesting. And it's not just him.
There's there's also like Navy programs that have popped up in the in the mainstream
media that have been mentioned where it's like, yeah, we're gonna profile and
create assassins and all that. And I understand that the military has a degree
of like that that's part of what they do. So I don't even necessarily
object to because I'm not you know, I'm pro death penalty. I don't.
I think that there's situations where you do have to engage in these kinds
of activities, but the problem is that you get the door for just total
corruption with these unaccountable you know, shadow groups that can can use these things
for you know, all kinds of self serving, ridiculous purposes that have nothing
to do with the defense of the nation. Well well, yeah, and
it was interesting that you pointed out how he turned to Buddhism because you know,
in my exploration on the way back to Orthodoxy, I did go through
of that Eastern type thing. Because if you've seen the framework of Western civilization,
which is primarily brought about at least you know, the United States with
you know, Protestantism and things like that, and then you see where it's
led to, then you're going to look outside and try to see something like
that, you know, and we're not exposed because I don't know about you.
For me, Orthodoxy was just Catholicism, but the Eastern version before I
knew what orthodoxy was, you know. Yeah, I think both Westerners think
that looking at it exactly. Yeah, and so it's it's interesting too to
see though at the same time too, with that corruption that's created I think
by the military. How then it leads to someone you know, like I'd
like to talk about too, is Michael Akino. You know, a guy
that, ironically enough, was born on the day of the execution of the
Durremberg Trial members, and he considered himself one of the three Beasts of the
Revelation of revelations along with Alistair Crowley, you know, like it's amazing,
Like and even because I listened to podcast with this guy prior to ye,
I listened to a lot of those two. Yeah, his eyebrows are on
point, though, like just literally literally well you know what we were,
We were watching a bunch of old horror movies and we realized that, like
if you go back to the nineteen thirties horror movies like Boris Karloff, he
looks just like a Keno. So Michael, like you knows, literally just
trying to ape himself from like old horror movie actors. Like that's the look
he's going forward. That's funny. I've got to I've got to look back
at that. It reminded me of Grandpa Munster in some ways too, like
a like a younger version of what I would expect Grandpa Munster to look like
because it's so over the top what he was doing, Like what he's going
on. Yeah, it's like, uh, it's like the there there's this
extreme sort of delusion of grandeur right that oh by the way though, you
know those the beasts and Revelation that's me by the way. Uh. I
mean, it's just super delusion. And then at the same time, there's
like this clownish, cartoonish element to it, which is just kind of it's
over the top. But I think that for a lot of those guys,
you know, they studied and they were really interested in Hollywood. They were
really fast. Especially LaVey was very fascinated with Hollywood, so he was actually
into the theatrics and the you know, carnival circus clownery. He thought it
actually added to it. And I mean Crowley has quotes about that too,
where he was kind of like, you know, you have to kind of
live the part and also be kind of a clown as well. So yeah,
but anyway, I mean I think that it's just a manifestation of you
know, intense delusion, and even in the midst of this delusion, they
end up kind of looking silly and cartoonish to me. Well, it's ironic
then too that they met at the premiere of Rosemary's Baby Baby Michael Queno and
Anthel LaVey in San Francisco. That's where they had their first meeting there.
It's funny as you bring that up because of that Tita Hollywood, because even
Levey was um, wasn't he actually some kind of a source for Hollywood movies
and that early seventies satanic kind of thing that was going on. Yeah,
I've heard this debunked and then it turns out to be true. And Jamie
just my wife just read a book on the biography of Leave, but I
think the woman that he had his first kid with, and uh, no,
it is true. Like he was. He was definitely in the Hollywood
circles, and he was hanging out with Jane Mansfield, and he was hanging
out with you know, Samy Davis Junior became a member of that of that
church, so he's in all those circles. And he did consult at least
on a few movies. So that's one hundred percent true. But you know
to what degree these various actors and whatnot took a serious I don't know,
I'm not sure, but again, like you just like you said, like
the lava level of it is just kind of like, oh, we just
worked ourselves and you know this is social Darwin them in religion in a religious
form as all. It is. So but the key, the key thing
I want to stay there is just this point, which is that what I
started noticing when I was reading about this years ago was you know, a
lot of these people overlap with the military, Like a lot of these guys,
a lot of these people are directly tied into military intelligence CIA. And
that's especially what we see with a Keyno, right, who goes on to
become colonel. And then he writes this essay, the essay mind Word to
cy War, Sie Word and mine War whatever it is, that that talks
about pretty crazy stuff. I mean he talks about EMF you know, ionosphere
weaponization, spraying, he talks about how you can attack people at the cellular
level through these different frequencies. I mean, it's pretty hardcore stuff in that
in that essay. But uh yeah, and I also read his book.
He has a book on black magic from He's like, let's take the principles
of black magic and apply to psy ops. He's like, because all psyops
is is basically voodoo and sorcery, you know, appropriated at the technological level
for the military. Yeah, and he there's a quote on there that like
kind of stood up to me on that. Whereas like mine ward has nothing
to do with deception even selected therefore misleading truth, the other states the whole
truth that if it doesn't exist now, we'll be forced into existence by the
will of the US, which kind of ties back into the whole Crowley aspect
of dos that will, you know what I mean, it's like pushing your
will onto others. And even in that, it's just like the pure manifestation
of that is just like, bro, you're they're using this demonic will to
push all these things. And they say it openly and people are like,
I don't understand how they fall into the siop. It's like, nah,
man, that's not what they mean. But it's like yo, they say
here out loud. And even then, he's like, mine war must reach
out to friends, enemies, neutrals, anyone around the globe, and we're
gonna use the media possessed by the US because it reaches everybody. So it's
like they're only saying it, Yeah, we're go use all these things against
you and there's nothing you can do about it. And then when you question
as a body like you know, we're just righting's ideas well. That and
and if you go all the way up to today with that the NATO cognitive
warfare thing that came out a couple of years ago, that's it's all the
same type of attitude and philosophy and that NATO thing, and they're saying the
same thing that well, if you will weaponize this against the entire population,
and if you disagree with this, then we'll say that you're a cyber terrorist
basically. So, and the whole documents about trans humanism, it's like,
you know what, we have to push nanotech, we have to push actual
changing of the human brain and the human geno. So it's like literal trans
humanists, you know Claus level stuff in this cognitive Warfare document, and a
lot of that wording, all that phraseology is very similar to the cy word
of mind more um similar to have you ever read that one mine has no
firewalls? Because know that one I don't not yet. No, it's another
one of those older uh say out documents. I think it's from I can
remember for some the Army War College or something, but it came out in
like the late nineties or early two thousands, and it's about how the mind
is kind of like a computer and you can will basically weaponize all this tech
to to mine control everybody, right, because the mind doesn't have any block
because you know, when you open your eyes and information is sort of pouring
into your into your cranium through your eyes. So since there's no firewall there,
basically we can weaponize information through the Internet. Basically what it's saying on
a large scale, like it's saying for everybody, Like everybody has no firewall
in their mind, and so the entirety of the web can basically be a
weapon. Sounds like the Facebook Meta dream Unit exactly. Yeah, and this
is before social media, right, yeah, well but they were working on
social media, the CIA was working on social media before Facebook came about.
You know, like it makes me wonder, you know, with the early
days DARPA net and all the things like that, like how many people foresaw
something like this. The ability of this, I guess it kind of makes
me think too of you know, when you look at like John D when
talking to the angels and how they were trying to with the Anochian magic,
they were trying to create the future sort of thing. It's like, how
much of that was going on with the CIA and the DARPA and things like
that. Well, by the way, I found this document, it's a
nineteen ninety eight Army War College. The mine has no firewall. It's not
that long. I recommend reading if you haven't read it. But yeah,
yeah, I should actually brush up on that one, because I haven't talked
about that in probably like seven or eight years. But one thing I noticed
too is that a lot of the occult stuff, the overlap that it has
with military intelligence and you know, CIA and all that, is that it
has to do with cryptography, right. So I think with John D what
happened was he realized that a lot of the you know, Kean magic,
and I think that he did to some degree take that stuff seriously. Because
there's a book called Rosa Crucian Enlightenment. It's one of the famous treatises on
the history of the Enlightenment, being influenced by her medicism, alchemy, and
occultism, and in that book she covers the how John D had an influence
on the Rosa Crucians, right, So before the Rosa Crucians came about John
D and his neo Platonic angel magic, right, was all about apotheosis.
It was all about how through all of this you can achieve basically, you
can become God. So this actually lays the groundwork, as as you guys
probably know, for the ideas behind transhumanism and all that that you know,
man can through technology achieved godhood. And the difference being that at that time,
right, they're they're thinking, let's manipulate these these symbols and use you
know, formulations, calculations and whatnot to transmute gold or base metals into gold.
And that could be an allegory or a pattern for how we can take,
you know, the right materials in the natural world to turn them into
some sort of technology or vehicle for immortality. So this really does underlie all
the transhumanist stuff, right directly goes back to John D and the alchemists and
all these people. And this is not this is actually from historians. This
is not it's not conspiracy theorizing. But there's another element that I wanted to
mention about John D, which is that he also seemed to have been creative
in utilizing these magic symbols and citadels as a form of cryptography. So you
know, in terms of spycraft, if you want to transmit messages to the
Queen, one good way to do that might be through a cipher that other
people have no idea what that is. And so that do you know the
history of cryptography, right, There's always been code makers and code breakers,
and so the more obscure that you could make your codes with things that no
one had, no one has any idea what these symbols mean, right,
and then the better the security is for the cryptography. So I think that
that was also a part of this that he was because he was a spy,
right, love people don't know John D was the first double O seven,
right, So when Ian Fleming wrote the Bond stories, he's giving a
nod to that by you know, being aware of his own British intelligence history
that you know John D was the first double O seven because he was signed
his letters with the two balls and the cane when he was writing to Elizabeth.
So that's that's what I think is a big part of this story,
is that a lot of the secret society stuff is actually spycraft's actually I mean,
I'm not saying there aren't people that you know, there's people that take
it seriously, but there's also people that are using for other purposes. And
that really gives us an insight into how the military and intelligence agencies would view
cults and secret societies. Right, it's a vehicle. I'm not saying it's
only a vehicle, but it's all it's a vehicle for intelligence stuff. And
we see this also with Freemasonry because Jessica Harland Jacobs, who's a historian,
she wrote a book called The Builders, and she just details how the for
the duration of the British Empire, basically the Freemasonic lodges were their intelligence network.
And there's certain movies that you can watch, like The Man Who Would
Be King with Michael Kaine and Sean Connery. I mean you can tell they're
like they're basically just spies who are then scallywags out to just make their own
money, right, but they're they're spies because they were they were right,
so they the lodges serve this function for the British Empire, right as their
intelligence network. Well, and what's interesting I think too that you you you've
kind of touched on a little bit. But you know, so the intelligence
agencies are going to use the occultism to you know, basically help them with
their craft, right, But I think what the especially when you look at
it um from the metaphysical level, is that those entities in turn are actually
using you in such a way that's for the destruction of mankind at the end,
the end goal. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I think because that's
what like with the Anochian Magic with John d they're talking about bringing about a
new age. Crowley's talking about that, and then even back to Michael Lakino,
you know, like he ends up in seventy five having his own on
the summer what is it, Summer Solstice hit where he summons the Prince of
Darkness and creates his own Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, where where he's
now rejected basically leavey he's going to help to bring about that new age and
exactly yeah, he says that his whole thing was the magician speaking the new
word and the new aon but it but a lot of this too is just
their own ridiculous like individual delusions of the grandeur because he was. He was
like, if you remember he said something like, um oh, well,
you know we thought LaVey was going to be the majors of the New Aon,
but no, it's me because I'm the one that's the real age.
Just that you know, it's like and and the thing is that in the
the Krolean system, one thing I learned by looking at the various figures who
graduated from that is that you'll notice that many of them basically just start their
own cult. And it looks like that what that structure is there for is
to basically really train you in being an expert in religion making, because by
the if you look at l Ron Hubbard, if you look at Gerald Gardner,
who starts Wick Hubbard with scientology. I don't recall if to what degree
um A Keno was into Crowley, but it's basically the same pattern here,
which is that at a certain point they get they get to the stage where
they say, okay, now it's it's time to start my cult and I'm
the magis that that has the you know magical word in the New Aon.
Well, that's what it's all. It's just it's just it's just graduate school
creating a cult as all that stuff is. Well. What's funny though,
too is one of the things like every time I stumble upon when somebody's talking
about Akeino, whether it's in a book or in a podcast or something,
and they're like, and then he stepped down for like three years, you
know, like he steps down and nobody's ever done this before. And that's
just the thing because they're so egotistical, like you just it's so unheard of,
and they make it sound like, oh, what a guy. He
is down and it's like okay, like it's just it's so unheard of,
and they make it seem like he's some kind of I don't I don't want
to saint, but whatever they call it, he's a he's a better demon
and the other demons. Yeah, that's a that's a good point. I
mean it's every one of these groups is like, you know, oh,
we have the path to becoming God's right. I Mean, that's what all
these systems are basically, just you becoming your own God. Whether it's Wick,
whether it's a you know, neo Platonic magic, or whether it's Croly
or any of these things. It's all this promise of exactly what you know,
Satan promising the garden yall, you'll be God if you just, you
know, follow my magical system and send me, you know, two hundred
dollars a month. Right, Um, so, but it's so, But
I'm just saying that, Well, it's true that there's this this dark component
to it, for sure, I'm not denying that there's also a gigantic level
of conman scammer involved. And that's what went You notice is that like a
lot of these people, they'll leaven brag about like how good they aren't lying,
and then it's like but then people fall for their I believe the system.
I've mastered. The whole system is like, well, you know,
this guy says he's a liar in a comment, Right, So is it
possible that you got scammed? I mean, have you considered that angle?
I don't think they do, because then it's like, what's that old saying,
Go, it's easier to fool someone than to tell them they've been fooled,
you know what I mean? So they've already bought Crowley cites the P.
T. Barnum quote, Right, the fools more in every minute Crowley
Actually, right, Yeah, and even then like all the stuff that they
write is kind of like it's right now, you've been doing the series and
I know you posted an old video. It's all in your face and literally
it's like you read the books that they write or the stuff that they've put
out, and it's super obvious when it comes to a lot of that stuff,
and it's like, look, yeah, we're gonna use It's all these
tactics because it's like it's my will versus yours, and I will use any
thing to subvert and to have my will and my goals forward in that direction.
And if it comes to lying deception, whatever it might be, it's
just like they don't have that moral or ethical guidelines to be able to stop
them, you know what I mean. And it's like when you don't have
that, it just anything goes for the CIA too. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean that's what you can see why this stuff is really good
for those purposes. Yeah, especially these kinds of you know, introducers are
involved in black ops and that kind of stuff. Well, when it comes
to deception, also, have you read by Smedley Butler War As a Racket
on that as well? I've not read the book now, I'm familiar with
it, just you know what happened with him and his you know, background
and all that and the coup they were going to do. But I've not
read the book. It's good, but it's it's still kind of practically on
that same line that you already know of the big military industrial complex and that's
really what war is for, is just for a massive profit on all that.
But it's it's a it's a good read, and like I know,
it's gonna it's stuff that you kind of already know. But from that perspective
of military and how they were, like you said, they were trying to
prop him up, and a lot of the times you still see that to
this day and age of just like hey, we have this medal of honor
high like recipient or something, and they're going to prop him up and use
him as like a propaganda piece. But surprisingly he kind of realized how he
was about to be used. But even this day in age, people don't
understand that that it's still happening to today and they've already attempted in the past,
so it's like like people just don't want to kind of see it,
and it's tough sometimes, like because it's like being in the military and people
you have this perception of what you think you're going into, you know,
like kind of we discussed earlier of like hey, I want to join to
serve my country and like you know, like fight for freedoms. But in
reality, it's like you're just a tool being used by the military and does
so complex for this endless war to have this continuous revolution, you know what
I mean, even funny enough talking about Father Sarah from Rose where nihilism,
that's all it is, is a continuous revolution until you know, it just
keeps on going until the destruction. Well that's why. That's why the neo
Kon philosophy, and I think that we could say that the neo Khon attitude
is pretty much what still dominates and that's pretty much, you know, the
operating system that the system still runs on. You know. I mean Hillary,
Hillary was basically neo Kon you know, even when Obama is basically neo
Kon two. And that whole philosophy is trotsky I, right, So trotsky
philosophy is perpetual revolution, never ending revolution. That means never ending war.
So that's where that comes from. And all the people that Rand Corporation that
devised this whole strategy. They were all a bunch of Trotskyite neo kant right,
Herman khon Volschtetz are all those guys. That's where all that comes from.
Right, It's literally designed out of uh, you know, Rand Corporation,
military dustial complix strategies. But you're right that it goes back to what
Butler was writing about, because that backs up quickly, I mean, Smelly
Butler is basically saying what Quickly said. The only difference is that quickly it's
not you know, he's not saying it's a it's a corrupt entity. He's
like, no, this is just the way it is, and it's good.
He's an apologist. Yeah, And a lot of people kind of miss
out on that. And it's hard because it's like, like I care about
like the dudes that are in and it's hard to kind of give them that
perspective of look, bro, like, I know it sounds like a conspiracy,
but if you kind of follow like the track and you kind of look
at it historically wise, and the most easiest of like hey, just follow
the money, like you kind of lead to like a lot of these similar
conclusions, and I guess that's the hard part of China. Like I guess
from our perspective at DDY and then with PBF as well, it's just like,
hey, look like it's we're going off mainline even just documentaries, books
and things that have been out there and things that have been declassified, like
even just your CIA one that you did like a few uh. I think
it might have been last week where they were the one with Charles Heston where
there a CIA were openly they were sayings like, yeah, we do all
these things in other countries, but we don't tell like people in government.
We tell them just enough, but so they can honestly, like so they
can openly deny and be like, yeah, I had no clue this stuff
was happening. But it's like it's like if they're doing it overseas or doing
it here, and it's like it's blaantly obvious. But that's the hard part
of trying to get Yeah, I was surprised how much was admitted and that
that you know, mainline TV show with that kind of surprised me what was
in there. I've been watching a bunch more of those two. There's there's
a lot of Little Nuggets and whatever that show was. But you know,
the same thing, you know you're talking about lamenting. Uh, you know,
young guys, I had the same experience that you guys are talking about
in terms of kind of what you think these institutions are when you go into
them and then you come out of it, and it's like that. It
wasn't at all what I thought it was with academia, right, So when
I went into academia, I thought, oh, you know, I want
to be a professor. It's going to be great because you know, it
operates on the you know, merit system, and if you're really smart,
and if you're really good at you know, making your case and your papers
and being a good teacher, you know you're gonna, you know, cream
rise to the top. All this nonsense. And that's not at all how
the education system is like. It's it's a giant racket as well. It's
a giant brainwashing cult. And I think now everybody can see that with how
bad education has got, with all the you know, purple hair social justice
woke nonsense, I mean, it's just insane now at a lot of universities,
maybe not everyone, I know, there's still a few universities are not
that crazy, but I mean I was when I was at the Regular State
University in the two thousands, it was already pretty bad, and it was
you could tell it. The writing was on the wall, you know,
like it was like, this is definitely going to continue. It's going to
get crazier and crazier. They're going to keep pushing more and more nonsense,
and they're not going to let people in other words, they vetue. That's
what I'm trying to say. So if you're not on board with the total
woke agenda, they don't want you having a PhD. Right. And I
remember telling people this in like the late two thousands, and people thought I
was crazy, Oh, you're just being a dick. It's you're a problem.
You're the problem. You're the dude. I'm like, it's not me.
I'm feeling it's like these people are these professors are literally insane. They're
like the most degenerate, just scumbag people, and it's you, you're the
problem. And I'm like, no, it's not like, I mean,
I got a million I got a million stories at least, just horrible professors.
It's the same thing in the military and I remember I had boys back
in the day would tell me same thing. They're like, bro, just
get your shirts, get your education, and get out. They've seen the
right And I was like, no, it's gonna be okay. And it
was the same thing, like it started getting more progressive, more diversity and
all this stuff, and even just like my last year, it was so
like with the whole thing with the Jimmy jabs, was just like no,
just shut up, take it and or get out, And a lot of
people were kind of forced up against the wall, and like it woke up
a lot of people, you know what I mean, because there was an
obvious like push to that, which you know, I'm kind of grateful for
that because it kind of helped push me into irene. You I was like,
okay, yeah, my time tears done, bro. But even not
just that the obvious like Marxism and like and some people really missed out on
it. But when you have like higher ups from enlisted to officers that are
like don't even realize the things that they are saying, and they're just repeating
the same propaganda that it's just being pushed out through mainstream media, that it's
just like, look, bro, like how much you actually look at it
objectively and look at what things are. But instead it's just like, now
we're gonna repeat all these points and if you don't like it, then you're
part of the problem. And then if you raise any questions then you're kind
of blackballed, you know what I mean. And that's kind of what happened
to me. The same way. Military is the same way, and it's
just like at a certain level, like you rank up by doing like tests
and stuff, but to go to the chief level, which is like E
seven, I don't know how familiar are with like rank structure, but you
do a test, but then you're also selected, so you do like a
whole board and everything, and then like yeah, they're vetting people and if
you're not drinking the juice, then it's like, bro, you're not gonna
make it. And I've I know people who were at that level that they
were just like, bro, like I'm honestly embarrassed, like of like the
type of people that how quickly everyone just like lockstep, you know what I
mean. We're just like, oh, that's what we're doing, well,
that's what we're doing, but deep inside they knew it wasn't true, And
I'm like, bro, then why are you going with it? Dog?
Like, where are you gonna draw that line? Like you've already sacrificed this,
You've already given in this much like I pray that they repent and that
they turn away and they kind of realize it. But it's kind of going
back to even just what Alexander Socialism was saying. He's like, hey,
yeah, I knew all these things, and if I would have just done
one little thing, like it's my fault. That thing's got this bad.
You know, there's a lot of cowards. Like a lot of people are
cowards and they're scared of um, anybody you know, saying a mean thing
about them. It's just amazing how weak people are, Like they want to
be they want everybody to like them. Yeah, that's what motivates. That's
a very christ like shaying that. Yeah, Christ, Christ was nice to
everyone. Oh was he then? Of vipers? Empty stuff? Yeah?
Well it's just like there's a Jesus in my head. That's the Jesus that's
nice and he's like a hippie dude, and that's the real Jesus, And
that's the one I fault it's like, now that's the one you made up
in your head, dude. Yeah, and it's it's honestly like kind of
sad that it's just like, bro, like you say you're about freedoms while
he's coming back to the military stuff. Is just like, but you were
so easy to just stomp on everyone and that wasn't like going with it.
But yeah, like this whole buddy thing is just like, no, there's
there's you can still be objective and be loving and still correct someone like,
well, you know what's interesting, you know when you're talking about some of
these things with academia and then the military, because again, you know,
Michael Kno, he's a guy that went on to get his PhD. He
was a college professor, and you know, it's another one of those things
that people push him or you know, they say about him is just oh
look and like even there was one of the quotes that I heard about him
is why do you trust a guy who's an open Satanist. Well, he's
not a homosexual or a druggie and he's open about this, you know,
and here's a guy who was part of the and I don't know, like
I'm curious, Jay that whole Satanic Panic type thing, because I dove into
a lot of research on the stuff that went on, like Presidio and a
lot of things like that. Like what's your perspective on the so called Satanic
Panic? That's a good question. Actually, somebody brought us of the day
and I was thinking, how it'd be good to comment on this, because
I think it's a little more complex than you know. I'm not saying you're
saying this, but a lot of people think of it like, oh,
it was either nothing going on or you know, I think that there was
layers to this. For example, one of the books that came out,
it's called Michelle Remembers, and that was one of the early books that helped
kick off the Satanic Panic. And I think that she was exaggerating her story.
It was pretty extreme, and she put a lot of things in the
book that were kind of just kooky and ridiculous, but it kicked off this
panic. And I think that in the you know, a lot of this
panic was driven by not just the media and Graldo in this book, but
it was also driven by kind of goofy evangelicals, right, So that's a
component to it which you know, evangelicals at times will have this kind of
overly what's the word I'm looking for? Nope, they'll just be kind of
superstitious about stuff, right Like I get this even still where it's like people
you know, oh you you know you use the symbol in your in your
thumb nails, so you're secretly a Satanist, right So there's this element of
like idiot evangelicals that will obsessed over these kinds of things, and there's no
nuance er, there's no no, no, no understanding to the that the
the symbols have multiple what's called poly valence right there. They're they have different
contexts, different meanings, and different contexts. So part of it is that.
But there actually were cases of actual satanict ritual abuse, and you know
this has come out over over time. The declassi declassify things about the Finders.
For example, um, that was going on, You've got we get
talked about that a little bit. I don't know that everybody knows about the
Finder's Cult. Can you give a quick background of that. This was a
basically a CIA run cult that was involved in trafficking and mind control. It
had this weird New Age flavor to it, and it eventually got sort of
broken busted up. I can't remember who was the first to expose it.
I remember there's There's a chap Drone and then Dave McGowan's book on Program to
Kill. But um it tied into a lot of stuff adjacent to the Franklin
scandal, which is out of Nebraska. You had these high level GOP people
that were engaged in a lot of high level lobbyists and people like that that
we're funneling money and trafficking kids. And it involved Satanic rituals with Larry King,
who was like this black GOP dude out of Nebraska. And that's been
written about in multiple books by Nick Bryant. And was that like East Town
in Nebraska part of that too, Yes, but Boys Sound it was part
of the where they would get the boys. Yeah, and that was the
local Catholic Nova Sordo priest who was funneling the kids from Boys Town to these
parties. By the way, same model that if you noticed in the recent
German satanic scandals of the Roman Catholic church, where the nuns were taking kids
from the orphanage just to be raped by the German business elite. Have you
seen that one? No, that's kind of new one to me. Yeah,
no, look that up. Yeah, that's like, well, I
don't know how the abuse had been going on I think for a long time,
but out in German media and then it went everywhere else in the media
within the last year. So that's a famous crazy to because you had like
the East Germany thing too, where they were taking orphans kids and putting them
in with child known child molesters like gerbody. Yeah, that's crazy. I
mean even like the whole Finders thing. Like people aren't like it's it's been
declassified in the FBI Evolve. We made a post about it the other day
and people are like, no, bro, you're crazy, And I'm like,
it's literally been declassified and it was just be classified last year two years
ago. Yeah, yeah, pretty good exactly. Um. But but the
funny thing is that, uh, even though it's just declassified, like a
bunch of people were writing about that for like twenty years. I mean it's
it's it was a well known thing. Um. Well, one of those
types of things where it's like, oh, but that's a conspiracy theory,
you know, like everything right, Like, let's come at it. Let's
hit it really hard. Let's say that this is all a lie, it's
all a conspiracy theory. And then once you've got people accepting in their minds
that oh, this can't be real, we'll go ahead and put the truth
out there. And then you know, it's that distorted reality that they create
for everyone. Yeah, yeah, it's they do that. That's a technique
too, where you you know, it's like that they do the same thing
with oh, Bilderberg doesn't exist, and it's like, oh, okay,
yet exists. But it's a good thing, right, and why are you?
Why you? And here's why it's a good thing. Yeah, right,
yeah, like liberal article titles. Right. Um. But yeah,
so the Finders is one, I mean, and there's just so many of
these that end up popping up, Like I can't even keep up with all
these different groups and circles. You'll you'll lose your you know, is there's
so many cases of this, like the scope, the scope of it is
kind of hard to believe and how they were doing all this stuff. Um,
but those are the famous cases from like the seventies and eighties of the
Franklin and the Finders, And there's usually some kind of ritual element to it
and to get back to the Satanic panics. So so you're correct, like
there's there's these real elements that are going on. I went actually pretty deep
into some of the serial killers because that actually ties into the Satanic panic because
if you remember a lot of the serial killers of the seventies and eighties,
it would come out in the media that they had these you know, satanic
connections. Right. Most famous would be Richard Ramirez who was openly a Satanist
um and then he and he had this uh military relative I think it was
his uncle who uh supposedly I think he was like a Green Beret or something
like that, but he got he's the one the guy Richard into Satanism,
and Richard actually went and Matt Levey at one point, um, yeah,
it's a it's a he tells the story about it. Um. But that
was part of the Satanic panic. And then uh kicking it off, I
mean, getting it, getting it going. And then Hiraldo, interestingly,
he did a show a series on Satanism, and this was one of the
key catalysts I think oprited too. But Peraldo's series that he did on the
satanic pannic. I think you can go watch these on YouTube. I watched
him years ago. Yeah, Keno's on there. Yeah, Keno's on there,
and he does he does want to Bobby Berdella the serial killer. Oh
yeah. It turns out. It turns out Bobby Bardela actually was a Satanist
and he basically had his own little satanant cult um and he was, you
know, basically doing b DSM and killing people. Yeah say what, No,
he had a he had a story that was called Bob's Bizarre Bizarre Yeah
yeah, correct. Um, but but but it came out too that he
had his own little like Satan cult right, So he was ahead of it
and it was like five people, right, So it wasn't like a huge
underground thing, but um, it tied into all the you know, just
the weird, uh underground b DSM stuff that was going on. And anyway,
long story short is that he actually wasn'to that stuff. Right. So
so Haraldo documentary you know, kind of made it. It sensationalized it,
but there's actually many of these cases it was true. Right. Well,
so then you have these people coming out with claiming that uh, they had
been abused and they were getting this from their repressed memories and they were doing
like regression hypno therapy and all that, which I think is a little dubious.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't happening. Because there was
also the mc martin preschool trial, which if you look at that, it's
pretty wild. I think that was definitely something going on. And when they
declassified that information they talked about the finders, they also declassified that there actually
were tunnels underneath the mc martin preschool. And that's relevant because for so many
years mainstream media had said that that was not true, it was all made
up. Well, wasn't it the same thing in the presidio case that there
was like another building exit there that had underground tunnels. And ironically enough,
it was not the actual like place where they were kid aping the kids from.
It was that next or building that got shut down. Well it was
there was a bunker or something yet from yeah two, and it was behind
the intel building where Michael Akima worked, and they had a bunch of like
scrawlings on the wall in there too as well, and something like with the
Prince of Darkness, if I recall, and to go along with that Presidio
case as well. You know, there were Michael Aquino claimed that during the
time that he was supposed to have been molesting the children, that he was
in Washington, DC. And then he later you know, he said like,
oh, well it was proven you know that, you know, like
I was in DC. So they no, no, no, no,
no. The San Francisco police said that there's no, we don't have enough
evidence that says that he was actually here, but we can't prove that he
was actually here molesting kids as well. But during that time, four kids
came down with lamydia at the Letterman Hospital in San Francisco, and there was
anywhere from sixty to one hundred kids where there was valid information that children were
molested. Now, on top of that, some of the interesting aspects of
that whole thing was that the daycare at the presidio on I think it was
the Fall Equinox or fall whatever, September twentieth, September twenty second whatever,
that building burned down. There was five hundred thousand dollars worth of damage to
that building. And then the classroom of one of the guys who was actually
at the daycare center that also burned down. And both of those were arsons,
but they never actually pinned the arson on anyone. M Yeah, I
mean similar stuff in there was another case I was trying to think of that
there was a similar pattern of oh, speaking of the when this was all
popping off in the eighties, the reliance on the memories of the kids,
right, So like in the McMartin trial, you know, you had all
of these kids basically describing commonalities, which is really bizarre for like, you
know, three four or five year olds to be describing the same people in
rituals, right, because they were saying, oh, well, these kids
have just sort of imagined this is the false memory syndrome. Was led to
the I was going to talk about Martin Norn and the false memory syndrome,
and that was actually set up. That was a CIA aided thing to set
up to disprove all of the claims of the kids and oh, you're just
having false memories. But it turned out that they were a bunch of creeps
and weirdos. Two the people that were running the Martin nor he himself had
been like a cue, that is, he was like molesting his own daughter,
and then him and his wife were part of the board, and other
board members were part of like professors that were part of MK ultra like low
Key on that monarch as well, and a lot of other people that have
a lot of connections to these other bigger groups as well. So yeah,
it's kind of let me create this whole fought. They should have covered me
up. Yeah, So I think that that's when we look at it from
that angle. Like now, think about today, dude. I mean there's
like now all tons of people and I mean, I don't want to over
exaggerate it, but like, so aren't there giant groups of people now that
are openly calling for Satanism and fido stuff to be legal? Well you know
so so now, so why is it? What a minute, they're all
openly doing it. But if you talked about this as a thing in the
eighties and nineties of a conspiracy theory, right, yeah. And they also
laid the groundwork too, almost like these people like Michael Lakeino was a martyr,
you know what I mean, because it was just the big bad Christians
and the FBI say it was the Christian right wingers after him. Yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah yeah. And this guy was this guy who will admittedly
lie to you to your faith is a martyr. But that's the that's such
the inversion of the world too as well. But you know, it's kind
of crazy too because when you look at like the whole concept of Project monarch
too as well, the concept of you're trying to take a cocoon a young
child and then form it, which sounds like maybe what happened to Richard Ramirez,
but it sounds me like that's especially with Michael Kino's involvement in Vietnam,
like he was actively like monarchy, you know, like he was in the
act of it with his wife doing this. Because the amount of information that
they had on the Akino place, you know, you know, that's one
of the interesting pieces on that the Holokino thing. When they showed up there,
they brought the girl there in the neighborhood, and she actually led them
to the house where Akina lived. And what was interesting is Akino owned the
house and then the house next to it, But they only searched the apartment
on the top floor. They didn't search anything else, nor did they even
search the building next store, and so there's potential for information here that wasn't
even included. And some of the prosecution didn't move forward as well because you
know, like one of the kids that was molested was two years old and
he couldn't test five. Well, big surprise, a two year old is
not going to be able to testify. But they make things almost so bizarre
sounding, you know, like the whole activity of it, because there were,
um one of the girls described it as that they were cross dressing,
where Akino and his wife a Keino was dressing up in women's outfits and then
his wife was dressing up in men's outfits as part of the ritual. Yeah,
this is to cloak it, right, so that if anybody talked about
it, it sounds ridiculous, right, I mean does it's not ridiculous today
because that's you know what I mean? Yeah, right, But but at
that time, right, I was like, oh watch, you know,
and and then you know, wearing like oh they they molested me wearing Mickey
Mouse suits or something like that. Right, Yeah, that's like a whole
phrase I think. And also, are you're familiar with Paul Binacci and all
the stuff he said, right, I'm not. So he's the He's the
one that was um implicated in the He's one of the young boys that was
involved in all this. I mean, this is known and he was implicated
in the Johnny Gosh situation. And well you can watch unless they pull it
off the YouTube, but you can watch the um like the lawyers getting the
statements from uh Bonacci, Yeah, I just found it on YouTube. He
talks about scandals. Bonacci talks about a Keino and he's like, yeah,
they like he was involved. He was the one doing this to us.
So that's a that's another now, I mean that's his claim, right.
I mean I'm not saying true because he said it, but yeah, uh
like he he isn't known Franklin person and he's saying that, Oh yeah,
a Keno's involved in this. Didn't they also do a raid on a Keno?
But I can't remember what came yea of what they found in his house,
Like they found tapes of like some really weird cults. Well they had
think ever came out of it. Neither remember Well that that was the thing
too, because you stepped away for a bit. And um, what I
what I had mentioned then was that they only searched the top floor, which
was the apartment that he and his life wife their residence. If you will.
But there was other apartments below. It was like a three four floor
house. And then they also the house next door to it that they never
searched as well. You know, they they uncovered things too. It's funny
like when I was reading some of these things as well, well, when
they found Disney videotapes and it was like, well, yeah, in the
occult world, they always like to say that, you know, there's this
hidden child of Michael and Lilith. His wife's Lilith, oddly enough, but
that well, why wouldn't they have this, But there's never been a kid
proven to be around, so that the excuse was like they had this kid
that they were trying to keep from out of, you know, the eye
of society and everything like that, keep him undercover. And so that was
the reason why, of course they had Disney movies for the kid to watch,
when in fact, there's probably something else going on. Gotcha. It's
insane, man, It's it's insane. And it's the same with it mcmartin's
story too, with the weird Disney stuff and the plates that they found,
you know, underneath the house and all that talk about that. I'm not
fully familiar with that, Well they don't. They bulldozed it and they found,
um, you know, pentagrams that have been drawn on plates. Um
they had, But there was also like Disney paraphernalia and that kind of stuff
when they were dozing the ground where the underneath the McMartin preschool, where the
where the tunnels ended up actually being so yeah, in other words, why
why would there be these things? You know, when you don't bulldoze this
place, which is supposedly all good, nothing wrong with it, right,
why would there be in the in the ground, you know, plates with
pentagrams are on on them. Well, obviously, I'm where are you Christians
picking on these poor Satanists? Yeah, Disney has its own tunnel system as
well. Like it's intense. Like my brother in law he was doing he
was djaying over there in La and he would tell me, He's like,
yeah, bro, like there's underground tunnels that just like it's a whole another
system. It's like a whole another town in city, and it's like so
all this stuff is kind of interconnected and stuff that most people wouldn't know about,
you know what I mean. He was telling me, He's like,
yeah, like we just drive underneath, we show up to wherever, and
just like that's how celebrities get around in Disneyland as well. And I was
like what he's like, Yeah, like if you want low key stuff,
they just use ass and nothing sauce about that at all. Yeah, definitely
not. It was an article ahead. I was just gonna say how many
child molesters end up working for Disney, like at all levels too, because
I remember something maybe five years six years ago where it was a guy who
was a senior VP for one of the Disney I think it was even like
the studios or something like that, where he was in meetings and he was
talking to an FBI agent or something like that, and he thought was like
a twelve year old girl, you know. And it's just it's ironic how
that just keeps reappearing in so many different ways as part of this. Yeah,
there's an article I have somewhere about the whole story with Bonacci, but
I can't find it. There's also an article you should look up that's it's
pretty famous now because it's there's not a whole lot of these, but there
was a psychologist, psychiatrist, guy named green Bomb, and he gave a
lecture at a big famous psychology conference. It was all all these you know,
so called establishment experts. But he actually gave a talk in nineteen ninety
two about state tenant ritual abuse. It's called the green Bomb speech. You
should look that up because it's it's a mainline, you know, psychiatrist guy
basically talking about all of the stuff that we're talking about. Monarch. He
talks about UM, the intentional uh splitting of the pulse personalities through ritual and
electric shock. He talks about triggers, he talks about MKA delta delta,
he talks about color, color magic. UM. It's a it's an important
document in this whole story because a lot of people act like, oh,
well, you know, if any of this was true, at some point
there would have been mainline, you know, psychiatric people talking about where there
are that's what are you talking about? UM, there's another thing I'm trying
to find. That's a it's a thing I've found. UM somebody it's I
think her name is Elizabeth Boss and she wrote a really interesting article on the
connection between Bonacci and UM. The Boss or Boss I'm sorry, v or
B. I'm trying to find Vos Elizabeth Voss. I think, and it's
an important article about Oh the Finders. It might be that one, but
as it talk about the weird creep that was grabbing the kids, and I
think there's something about Bonacci and that there's a lot here with her. I
think it's whatever we find about Bonacci, but um, Paul Bonacci. Her
thing on Paul Bonacci is the one. That's what I'm what I'm trying to
find um because it gets into how he was kidnapped. It might be this
one here at Consortium News. Did you ever see anyway are you looking at
her? She's she's got a lot of good stuff on this if you look
into her articles as something definitely won't have to dive into another time. Yeah,
but it's it's related everything we're talking about. She has good stuff on
this. Did you ever hear though, too, where Akino was actually um
tied potentially like and I don't know, like the that Johnny Gosh, his
mother claimed that Michael Akino bought Johnny, like somebody came to her and told
her that that he was involved with that. Because there was implications too.
I think that's I think that's what Bonacci says in that position there. See
that's interesting too because his mom said that that and she'd been contacted separately,
And there was even things at West Point, you know, the military academy
for the Army, where kids were molested around the same time, like and
what are what what are just the chances of these kids randomly saying that stuff?
I mean, and then to see all these levels of the Franklin schools
and but again, you you go out there, you make sure that the
rituals and things that are occurring, you take it so over the top so
that when the kids talk about it, this can't be true, and that
way it can just easily be discounted. Yeah, and they also, you
know, basically give kids ketamine, LSD and all kinds of drugs. So
that's also why it sounds crazy. Well because there was a recent incident too,
and I can't there was a guy out in Utah, um David Hamblin
or something like that who was part of the LDS church, the recent Mormon
Yeah, yeah, another one. This is a guy that was he was
a he's a psychologist and he was a counselor and he was counseling like guys
on their homosexual tendencies and what he would say and there, Hey, if
your kids are listening right now, prepare because like he would he would use
his semen, which was righteous semen to help cure these men of their homosexuality.
But he was engaged in mescaline, peyote Alaska and things like that to
help cure various different things with all these different Mormon people. He was molesting
his daughters, and that's all come out very clearly, like this has been
proven. And he was also just with his wife abusing men as well,
like it was just whatever sexually could go on. And this is very recently,
this is like twenty twenty two, and he was just released on bail
in like March or April of twenty twenty three. The system works, brother,
and and I guess at this point too, we're all have to be
sympathetic for him because he probably engaged in this Satanism as a reaction to the
Christians that were te he was being persecuted by the right wingers. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, as much as the Morgans get persecuted by the
right wingers, although I think they get in that in that yeah, and
that like uh, you know, basic criminology too, that you know,
people that are that get busted and caught with these things. So suddenly it's
like, oh, it's not my fault, right, I'm being persecuted there
the systems like every criminal does this, right, yeah. Man, uh,
I've never done anything wrong. It ain't my fault. You know that.
We were just watching about old movies where like the villains are all doing
this, and I'm like, this is you know, basic criminology, doesn't
everybody know. They're like so it's like, well, uh, you know,
it's not bad because it's not my fault, because you know. And
it's weird because the same people who, on the one hand, are like,
you know, so supposed the Satanic philosophy of oh, take you know,
take responsibility for yourself and you you determine your destiny, you're the captain
of your destiny, all this stuff, and then it's like it's not my
fault. The system made me what I am. It's like, I thought
you're supposed to take the responsibility, right yeah yeah yeah, But that's I
guess part of the idiocracy too as well. It makes it easy that people
don't even realize that, right, you know, they have no they can't
fundamentally see how these things are being done, Like they know it on one
level, but they when they look at they can't see it for what it
is. It's cognitive dissonance. Im just like, hey, accept responsibility when
it's good, except when it's not, you know what I mean, shifts
all blame and then just build a whole like use all these programs a false
memories. Not Man, it's not what you think it is, Like it's
completely false, like you're remembering it wrong. So it's just you start gaslighting
everyone around you. It is. Yeah, it's the same. It's just
like with Bilderberg doesn't exist, right, and you're crazy. Bilderberg exists,
and so what Bilderberg exists. It's a good thing and you're bigot if you
hate it. Yeah, And that was like going down that rabbit hole too,
just like okay, military necessary complex and they connected the money wise,
Okay, who's funding him? Oh, it's going back to the banks.
But then it's like the fed REZ and then it's like, well who owns
the fed res And it's like, well, these groups don't exist, but
these people kind of got together on sheke oil and but it never happened,
but yeah, it's so insane, and it's just like, look, it's
clearly are there, Like what Michael, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills?
Well? Why does I mean? You know, when I first heard
that John C. Lily says that he was, you know, testing LSD
on kids, I didn't believe that. I was like, what that sounds
crazy. And then you get his unreadable crazy book and he's like, yeah,
he was testing LSD on kids, And I'm like, okay, So,
if they're funding Alfred Kinzie to you know, molest people kids, and
if they're funding John C. Lily to give LC to kids, like nothing
like sky's the limit, right, nothing else is unbelievable, is it?
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, you know. But you know it's funny too,
like with with Kinsey, right, like he's portrayed in the media as
some kind of hero when the guy literally was molesting children, he was causing
orgasms in children. Why why why is an adult under some sex for science
bro? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's trust the science bro
exactly who peer reviewed that study us? Yeah, and then that goes into
another rabbit hole just like oh, well, we know it's good because it's
peer reviewed based on this study? What study and then you actually reviewed by
the finders, right, yeah, I was having that conversation. Well done
about that, But it's like if you actually read studies that is based on
like even just like the whole thing with like the SSR rise, right,
like that came out that was debunked, Like a peer reviewed study is like,
hey, the study that you guys use like ten years ago that there's
a chemical and balance in the brain and sanntona and balance, It's like it's
shoddy at best and they couldn't replicate it. So it's like that's why all
these things aren't working. But then if you go down the same line of
like look, speak speaking up here, yeah, speaking up peer of view
for aud This is not really this is just a little side anecdote that you
made me think of this that somebody did a study, don't Somebody on Twitter
like went and did some kind of spurg study where they went through all the
footnotes of the New Atheists and like like eighty to nine percent of all the
footnotes which were supposed to give it all this academic they were just citing each
other. Basically, their books are just padding all their ship by sighting themselves
laundering like that's that's all. Yeah, they just laundered. What was that
dude? That what he was making up a bunch of stuff for the peer
review and it was like a lot of anti white like stuff, but he
was doing it on purpose. I camera his name, that comedia, Yeah,
and he exposed Yeah, he supposed that. It's like, look,
as long as you're going with the curtain narrative, you can put whatever study
you want and as long as it has a certain end thing right now,
it's going to get approved. Like it's insane. Yeah, I'm yeah,
I've started when when I was in academia, right, like you know,
I started noticing a lot of that fraud and I was talking about I mean,
I'm not trying to take credit, like not like I was the first
person saying this, but like in academia you can see how it works and
how much deception and bullshit it is. And you know, Pete in the
two thousands, have you talked about that? People say you're crazy, but
then you know, eventually it starts coming out and then a Lancet does.
It's this whole Chatham House publication where they're like, oh yeah, by the
way fifty percent of scientific literature is fraudulent. That's like, yeah, the
most prominent journal, the most prominent medical science of journal in the world,
says it's all fifty percent of it's fake. Well, I think the best
too. And I know you've done some podcast with James Lindsay, but him
that goes him. Helen pluck Rose and then Peter Pogosian they did that grievance
Studies and like they were doing things based on like the dog rape at um
Dog Parks and like, yeah, into the academia and they won awards with
the outlandish things they came up. And these are all leftists too. Well,
I don't even know where they sit now at times, right because James
Lindsay he's in a kind of a weird place. He because he seems to
be a Trump supporter. Now well he's really yeah, and really what it's
a classical liberalism, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, which
you know, that's that's all I used to try to tell people I was
a classical liberal, and now I tell people I'm a traditionalist because I don't
think classical liberalism is willing to account for the metaphysical reality. And you know,
it seems like James James Lindsay has kind of flirting with that at times.
And you see that with a lot of people who called themselves atheist,
agnostics whatever, where they're especially they're like, something dark is happening here,
and I can't account for it in the material reality exactly. Yeah, I
mean, you know, classical liberalism is posited on basically anti metaphysics. I
mean it comes out of the whole you know, Enlightenment ethos of denying metaphysics
with Kant and Hume and Locke. So you know, at a certain point,
I think in people's intellectual, ideological, and ultimately spiritual journey where you
have to kind of choose at a fork in the road, right, like,
how are you going to account for all this on the forces of the
market, you know what I mean? Like like, so, I mean,
come on, right, there's obviously something nasty and spiritual going on with
all the insane bs that you know is happening in the world. It just
doesn't that you can't account for it by freaking you know, Adam Smith's market
forces stuff. Have you seen Aman Jabbi at all? Do you know who
that guy is? He was a Silicon Valley guy. I don't know that
he he lives like in Montana now, Like he worked for Sun Microsystems at
one point, but he's done a lot of stuff talking about the technology and
how it's being used and everything like that. Because this is a guy who
grew up in India, came over here and went to Stanford, worked for
a lot of the Silicon Valley biggies, Like they even wanted him to work
for Snapchat at one point. But now he lives up in northern Montana and
renounced his citizenship too. At this point, I'm not caught. I mean,
he's really smart guy, but he's he even said that he is now
recognizing as a person that's an atheist. He grew up as a Sikh and
he moved away from that, but like there's something going on here. He
hasn't completely crossed over into accepting that. But it's funny to me, and
that's sort of like why I came to orthodoxy my quest for truth. You
know, like as I found some of the things that you had proposed,
and you were showing again tragedy and hope, but then you start exploring a
lot of these other things, then you find out too, what's the truth
the logos? You know, what is who who? Not just what,
but who is the logos? You know, and that's that's a whole other
paradigm. Once you can accept that there, it's like it makes it so
much easier to see the madness around you and just be like, oh,
well that's kind of expected, you know, like you've rejected God, so
this is what happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that more
and more. It's it's really hard to deny the reality of evil. And
when we see evil, like you know, the natural conclusion as well,
there's got to be good, right. I don't mean that. I don't
mean that like a maniche and nastic sense, like they're both equivalent forces.
I mean, evil is a negation and a privation of the goods. So
it doesn't it doesn't have ontological being, but it does have reality in the
sense of it being an actual you know, there is good and there is
evil. And when people start to realize that, I think that, you
know, it forces you to re examine your paradigm, and for a lot
of people it is difficult, like it is hard to have your paradigm crushed,
right, But oh yeah, I mean it's also good to go through
though, right, Like for me, you know, one of the reasons
I didn't ever go into military was in two thousand and three when I started
looking into you know, the Big Nine event, so you know that that
that was the first thing that really interested me in big scale geopolitics. And
I mean I wasn't very sophisticated. I was like, I don't know,
twenty two something like that, somewhere somewhere in that age age range. But
it but it did start, you know, I started thinking, well,
like what so if this is Muslims doing this, like why why do they
want to destroy the World Trade Tower? Like what? Like what why?
Why is this happening? What does it mean? And I was raised normy
GOP you know, military family, so I just was like, yeah,
Bush is a good guy, right, inn't he a Christian? And that
got me like that guy? And then and then I heard about skull and
Bones and so you know, if you want a classic intelligence, you know,
occult society overlap, like the classic one is Sculling Bones. So I
remember hearing about this and it would come out of the time because if you
remember, Bush and Kerry were running and they were both sculling bones. Yeah,
and I remember that was in It was even in the news. They
were talking about what the sculling bones? What does that mean? So I
got that Anthony Sutton book on sculling bones and I started reading that, and
I'm like, oh, this is that same conspiracy stuff I've been looking at,
Like, oh, so they're part of the same intelligence. This is
where the OSS and the CIA come out of there come out And so it's
like, wait a minute. So if the you know, old school WASP
networks are where we're getting sculling, where we're getting CIA from, and that's
the you know, Yale, Harvard, Eastern Seaboard elite, Like, I
come on, obviously, these people, these they don't have my best interest,
right? Why would I think that these people have my best interests?
And then you learned about like the rich role that they go to go through
where they're you know, where they're getting pissed on and you know, rolling
in mud and confessing their sins while they jerk off in a coffin. I
mean, just what the heck is this? Right? Like, how how
are these people interested in? These people seem nuts? So I mean,
let's not forget scaling bones is what I'm trying to say, right, this
is a classic exam. Well, and then you know how many all of
our institutions are elite schools and everything like that, Like the people go through
these this is the that's the breeding grounds for them. Like let's figure out
if we can allow them to move up, you know, the idea,
like it's not that you can't at a certain level move up, but you're
only going to reach so many levels, sort of like even with the Masons
the way they do it right, you know, like you can become a
masoning until you prove yourself to us that like you're willing to compromise yourself.
You may only progress so far. And that's the same way our society is.
But it's it's blood do as well, you know obviously, like the
bushes, you know, like they come on Jeb Bush, low energy,
Jeb please clap like that guy. That guy wouldn't be there if he wasn't
for Prescott, you know, like you you you your family established something for
you. And I think it is it's funny to see though the um the
fakeness. You know that so much of the the the media of the world
is a stage for these people. I mean honestly, like, I couldn't
imagine living their life and having to go out day in and day out and
lie the way they have to, Isn't it weird? Remember remember when Hillary
came to the South Back when she was running yet my first all the time,
we're just chilling see the rapids, and people believe that stuff too.
I mean, but that's what's that's what's so scary, and that's what's hard
sometimes because you can see, you know, how easy it works, and
you just like, Okay, I gotta resist doing that because it's so easy
to manipulate people if I want to, because you can see the framework for
it, you see the matrix for what it is. Yeah, yeah,
well right, No, I was just gonna say, I'm just trying to
think of more examples of you know, the overlap between um yeah, Cole.
I mean, we've forgotten the classic example of Crowley himself, because Crowley
was British intelligence. Yeah, he was a Briti intelligence asset who was basically
they would kind of use him off and on for various things. And so
in World War One he was he was used to do adjet prop so he
would go out there and do like you know, anti German aget prop stuff
for the Brits. And then he was used by who was it, Dennis
Wheatley, who was to British intelligence a handler guy who was He wrote the
occult spy fiction novels like the one that the movie has Christopher Lee in it.
It's worth watching because the villain and that mocatta he's actually based on Crowley
Devil rides out. That's it. If you watch that movie with chrispher Lee,
you'll notice that the and that's actually about a satanic cult like mind controlling
young women. Right, So I recommend watching that because this gives you an
insight into like the modusty run a British British intelligence as well, because Wheatley
is the one, together with Maxwell Knight, who they were. They love
Crowley. I thought he was so cool um and Maxwell Knight is part of
the reason why Bonds handlers m It's also Manswell Cummings because he would write C
as his signature, just like John did the signature of Double seven Commies would
write C. And then when Fleming wrote the Bond stuff, he combined that
with Maxwell Knight, who's hints the mum. But they were again they're they're
all buddies to Crowley. Now, Ian Fleming didn't know Crowley, he never
met him, but he knew about him because of this sort of you know
rumor and this the press of him being the wickedest man in the world and
being the beast and all this stuff. But but Crowley was, as he
said, you know, closer to a lot of these other British intelligence guys
who were using him, and they used him to to do the go between
with you know, the Nazis, to get what the what's his face?
To fly into Scotland and all that. So point being is that you know
that Crowley is Another classic example of the overlap of intelligence in the occult was
the the the neo Marxist you know, the guys from the Frankfurt school going
down also to Italy where some of the stuff where Crowley was molesting kids.
I thought like they were yea selma, Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm trying to think. I
can't remember if I've read into frank was school guys doing that? But I
wouldn't be surprised, Yeah, I thought, it's like Marcus and in some
of the other ones, I thought, you know, this is this is
one of those things I'm digging in my brain here. It just came to
me. Yeah, that's that sounds right. I just don't remember, like
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't quote me on it, please
descendence of Crowley. Don't don't sue me, please. Yeah. Like I
was just reading the other day and that Spens book on Crowley's intelligence work that
I didn't even realize it, Like he and Alice Suckley were partying all the
time, like I knew. I thought I knew they knew each other,
but I didn't realize they were Like I didn't know that. Yeah, they
were somewhere. Yeah, they were tripping and partying together. It's pretty well
that is so insane. But well yeah, but that's the thing too,
is like when you first hear it, like it hits that insane thing on
me. But then I'm like, no, no, no, that makes
sense, Yeah, that figure doesn't. I mean, I don't know that
Huxley Wood, I don't know that he was British intelligence. But basically everybody's
around is so that's all the same circles. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, and then Julian his brother. And then there was another brother too
as well. Right, there's it's another one. I thought he was a
brother. He's not. He's like a cutter or something. But he was
doing IM culture stuff in Australia. Yeah, and now that's partly why.
Yeah, I didn't even I've been reading about IM culture stuff for you know,
fifteen twenty years, and I just, you know, last year came
across that dude's kind of random small book on M culture in Australia. That
was a whole other I had no idea, but basically, like the whole
Australian establishment is just wicked, dude. I mean they've been wicked for a
long time. They were doing they were doing insane stuff in Australia, dude.
For there was that thing too that you had found where the guy had
written um in the like early two thousands or twenty ten or whatever, where
he'd written that thing about like what he was involved with, like he was
a lower level person involved with the government. Oh that's that's the sat the
Satanists from Australia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He died in uh twenty
somewhere in the in the twenty tens. I thought he died a little bit
shortly after he had came out with that, right, And the we're craziest
part of that is like you know, you're gonna see, you know,
ship go down in Australia and you'll know that I'm telling you the truth.
So like I've always thought, yeah, that's like I think that dude's probably
more mostly legit because he was right. And I mean, obviously you can't
take every one of these occultist satanist people at their work because there they constantly
lie and they'll beef up their own stories in their history. But yeah,
I mean that one seemed to come true, like he's like, yeah,
we basically, you know, the majority of the Australian government satanic and there's
nothing you can do about it. And you're gonna you're gonna see the nWo
clamped on Australia and you know he rose that in twenty I remember the exact
date, twenty eight nine to eleven somewhere in there. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. But by the way, like if you go looking for
it, it's pretty you have to use way back, like you can't find
the full asset, like the full one it's like twenty pages and really crazy.
Okay, I haven't read the full one. I've only read Yeah.
Usually usually what comes up is like yeah bridge, yeah, like a few
page version, but the full twenty page one's really well well, even with
like the way Back Machine, they've been attacking that as well, to like
all this stuff that has been like documented and save that. It's like,
I know, within the last couple of years, they've been attacking some of
those servers because then it makes it perfect. It's like we talk about all
these things and they've been well documented. Then you only have a bridge version.
So then it's just like see either crazy it's only a three or four
page paper like and then it just works. This is what Richard Richard Groves
a long time ago, like just watch like the whole Internet is going to
be like fah Knight fifty one. All this electronic stuff can be deleted and
scrubbed. So he was actually Richard was saying that in like twenty ten,
Well who's that there's that crazy y that writes for New York Times and had
been like part of BuzzFeed. But she, oh no, she's Washington Post.
She's like that hit woman for the Washington Post, but like her uncle
owns the archive, the Internet archive. W Yeah, I can't remember her
name. She's the one that went after the woman for the lives of TikTok
and everything like that, and so like whenever there's anything that's controversial about her,
she her uncle would remove it from there because it's they're like a mull
time millionaire billionaire family and everything like that. But then um as well,
like she had a direct line with Twitter. She was one of those people
that oh yeah, man man um because because she's the one that showed up
the lips of TikTok home uh type in one arm. Yeah, I can't
remember because I remember I saw that as well, and I think you guys
were the ones who posted it, but it was talking about any connection to
that. Yeah, there was a lot of things being deleted during that time.
For it was like the last two years, like it's been like pretty
oh it started like Taylor Lorenz Taylor Taylor, that's who it is. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's totally her job is
to play like, oh, they're so mean to me, and then turn
around and just go hardcore on people. And then also, hey, my
uncle will eliminate this from the Internet archive because he holds it. Wo Yeah,
man, it's it's it's so insane. Again, the the web is
small, you know, like they're they're all connected to one another, right,
go up, it's it's it's it's actually a fairly small click you know
that call a lot of the shots. I mean, I don't know that.
I'm not saying they run the whole world, but um, yeah,
this is basically the you know, kissing your group, the roth coop managerial
class. And then there's like the inner you know, super super rich families
so pretty transparent. It's not it's not that hard to figure that out,
but yeah, I mean it's it's weird that so much information can kind of
be in everybody's face, hidden in plain sight, but you still have so
many normies and people that can't They just can't come to grips with it.
And I think deep down it's like they can't go there because they know that
it would collapse their whole made up paradigm. And and that that theory,
I think is why many people, you know won't go these directions. Well,
yeah, it hurts the ego to face that reality, Like you've talked
about before, and you just it's hard to do. And that's that's also
I think one of the strengths of Orthodoxy again, you know, not to
do. I'm not trying to be an Orthodox Bible beater here, but I
mean it's the truth, you know, that's part of why I found my
way to where I am. Absolutely yeah, I mean, is there any
more I'm not trying to change subject. I'm just trying to think of occult
um overlaps with you could probably go back to even like the Templars. I
mean, it's hard to know exactly what the Templars. I'm not trying to
change the subject, but no, no, no, just think like overlaps
of I mean, something happened with the Templars. I don't really know what
it was, but you know, they definitely had some kind of alteration or
change which led to them getting you know, excommunicated, attacked by you know,
the Roman Calolic Council at that time as a council of the end I
think, and the King of France and the papacy. Right obviously they flipped
and turned the Templars. And then you do have this tradition of some kind
of Gnostic philosophy amongst the Templars and the idea of these um. I don't
know what to call it, but I've always thought that there's something going on
with that in regard to remember Bravick yep, I remember remember Bravic wearing all
his Templar garb and manifesto. I mean he holds like the second highest record
right now, right probably, Yeah, but that he made a big deal
out of, like, oh, I'm a templar and you know, my
Masonic degrees of being a templar has equipped me to say Western civilization and you
remember all that stuff. Yeah, that wasn't uh where was it. I
wasn't a Sweden, but it was somewhere up in that yeah, that reason.
Yeah, But I mean I think there's something going on with that.
I mean, I mean, a high level Masonic dude saying that he's commissioned
to say civil Western civilization as a templar. I mean, come on.
And nobody made a big deal about I mean, you know, people like
Alex were talking about it, but like the rest of you know, nobody
even thought to inquire into the templar claims and all that. Um was it?
Colby, one of the Roman Catholic CIA directors. It might have been
Casey, maybe William Casey, right, like they they were talking about some
of their elite guys as Templars. You know what I'm talking about. I've
heard, but it's been a minute since I've gone down that route. Because
that I connected the same thing with within some certain like the crossover between Masons
and Templars, which was so the thing was in Norway, I actually with
Brevic. Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing that oddly kept coming up
too was that every time, like some big events like that were happening,
there was always a lodge like fairly oddly close to a lot of these places,
which was like another thing too, is like they're probably operating basis like
you know, allegedly right and just but it always seemed just kind of coincidentally
that it's always around a lodge. Yeah. Well, And the reason that's
relevant is that when you go into the history of you know, Gladio and
all that kind of stuff. And by the way, when I critique Gladio
doesn't mean I'm a communist. Every time I say that, people oh communist,
So like, so I can't talk about the alliance of you know,
papacy and organized crime in the CIA without being a Soviet. I mean,
it's just crazy, but I mean it shows the you know, the that
level of corruption because Casey was involved in this too, because he was he
was like a hardcore trad cat u and he was at Fordham, right,
And this is why Fordham is Yeah, this is why Fordham is one of
these aets pushing all this like you know, crazy the humanist you know Ukraine
schism stuff. Is that that's a long time jesuit see anything. Well,
but that's what's interesting though too, because going back to John d that's what
he said that the angels that he was talking to, the demons were saying
that they were going to create an abrahammot a single Abrahamic religion, which we're
starting to see. Was it ua starting to come to Acumunists. Yeah,
it's like an Acumanist exactly. Yeah, Cumanism. Actually people don't know this.
It actually comes out of Renaissance neoplatonism. Yeah. People think that,
Oh, it's like a you know, twentieth nineteen hundreds of liberal movement.
I mean, you can trace the modern Acumanist movement to the money the Rockfeller
family wanted sent but actually you go back further to the ideological predecessors to a
Cumanism, and it goes back to Renaissance magic, Renaissance occultism, because in
the Renaissance you had a lot of these figures like the Medici's Pico della Mirandola
and these characters they're actually pushing four there's a bunch of them, actually,
Lorenzo, I don't think no, I think Valla is doing that that.
If you read a. Hoffman's book Occult Occult Renaissance Church of Rome, he
actually traces all of those Renaissance guys that were pushing a proto Acumanism. And
you're absolutely right. That's why John D. Because he's John D's into Renaissance
magic stuff, right, That's why John is saying that, Yeah, through
neoplatonism and all these kinds of things, we can create a new monotheistic super
religion more to control people and just kind of you have them under that same
umbrella. That just yeah, man, like I don't know how like just
it's you said it best, you know what I mean, out of all
people, it's just like you kind of start from one place and you start
understanding where how these people get into control, how they get into positions,
what groups are they in, and you follow and trace the money in it's
just like it you keep following and then it all kind of adds up.
But yeah, it once you see the big picture and you peek behind that
curtain, it's just like you have to understand that all these things are in
place for that reason. So they this is how we've gotten this far through
all these like this society, the Secret Society's skull and bones. But it's
all linked back to that other metaphysical thing that people don't understand, the good
versus Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think following the money is always good
for kind of the geopolitical level of stuff. But you can also follow the
ideology, right, Following the ideology will take you to what you're talking about,
like the how do we get to where we are in terms of the
thinking. I mean, it's not all it's not merely money. I'm not
seeing saying that, but a lot of people just they restrict themselves to thinking
that, oh, it's all just monument power and they just want oil,
and I mean that is part of it, but you know, he goes
beyond that because it's not just a matter of controlling resources. It's also a
notion of pushing ideology. You know. I mean when the when the US
pushes ideology through soft power, right, it's doing that tom to prime the
pump and warm people up to the energy control. That's true like that,
you know, but it's not just that. It's also a culture or two,
right, Like the US has to the US has to push Americanism so
that people are willing to have it, so they want subway and abortion and
pepsi. Right, Yeah, and even like going back to Michael Keno,
he says that openly too, like full military tactics, knowing your enemy policies,
they're structured their politics, religion and devising a plant infiltrates like and subverting
completely destroy that and use to appease US interests. And it's like they say
it. It's like, yeah, we're gonna take over everything. We're gonna
make it seem like it's your idea that you want it by continuously blasting it
on TV commercials, movies, and it's just a slow destruction of like what
you think is normal by constantly putting in your face. And it's like and
no, people say, like the slippery slope doesn't exist, but it's like
you add a little bit of elements and you normalize it little by little to
eventually like now it's gotten to a point that it's like to where we are
now. But yeah, they've openly admitted they're going to do all these things.
And then even just the what was it they send money we go overseas
to the women's liberation movement in Afghanistan or Iran and like transgenders studies for Lebanese
women and stuff like you're like, like, what is this even doing five
thousand dollars for somebody in Pakistan if they speak English and their transgender and like
the that Biden proposed, and it's like back that they you would hear and
someone made a meme of it where it's like some Muslim dudes like America's the
Grace saying and you're like nah, And then now it's like, actually you
might have a point, like not that they're still right in their ideology,
but when it comes to at least that aspect is just like and even for
me being overseas, there's a lot of stuff that like I struggled with for
a long time because it's like there's a huge like pedophilia issue going on in
Afghanistan, especially when it comes to like they have things called Chai boys where
they come bring ut but they're also for entertainment. And it's like we knew
it was happening, but our superiors, the tellers, you can't do anything
about it. I'm like, what, Like what do you mean? Bro?
I thought we are the good guys here? What are we doing?
And yeah, it you become disillusion and like that for me was already kind
of like I'm like, man, what are we really doing here? But
well, we're gonna got to a point where we were giving the CIA was
giving viagra to war lords that they could continue to rape more little boys.
Like that's the point we reached an Afghanistan. Are you serious? I've never
heard yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. Like I think starting
around like twenty eleven, twenty twelve, they were giving the little Blue pill
to the warlords over there just so they could rate more boys. I mean,
I honestly wouldn't be surprised because it's like they would try to offer him
up to us, or they would try to buy like like like military members.
Like we used to make a joke, like Saally, like, because
we had this dude. He was like eighteen nineteen, like real young kid.
He looked like a porcelain dawn. And then like the Afghan dudes were
like eyeballing him and we're like, yo, we'll trade you him for a
goat and they're like okay, whoa, Like I felt bad. We were
joking, but then they took it like real serious, like okay, we'll
go get it. And we're like no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, niche stuff. Bro, it's a joke.
And have you seen those old have you seen those old clips? I'll choose
to blame all the time of the gay bomb. I think. So it's
been a minute, so this is some kind of bio. I mean,
I don't know if it's completely made up or if they really did develop some
kind of biowarfare component, but they were talking about dropping the gay bomb on
so dominant troops. I'm seriously, I remember that. I think miss they
missed the rack and they hit us, or like they actually missed it.
But no, look it up there. There's actually mainstream news reports about the
Pentagon developing um some kind of biowarfare agent that they they bought or hoped would
like turn all of them soldiers gay. They would all, Yeah, that's
a it's a real report. Well, they even have like an operation that
they did in Georgia and that posted the other day where it's like they got
a bunch of mosquitoes like over like two hundred thousand female mosquitoes that were non
infected with like yellow fever to see if like you could deploy them and if
they would survive to infect the whole area. And this is like military there's
a military operation by the CBR and E the chemical warfare like portion of the
house and they dropped it in Georgia and they were trying to see if they
would survive. And it's like yeah, like someone around two hundred thousand,
uh survived or something like that. But yeah, they were at time like
it was like and then what in Florida like two years ago they released those
mosquitoes as well like that. Yeah, remember Bill Gates, Bill guys did
that Ted talk where you where you let them lose. Right by the way,
if you type if you type into YouTube the Pentagon gay bomb, it
comes up in the our AP archives. Yeah, you gotta look it up,
dude, I'm convinced they dropped it on our country the water. You
know what I mean, Well, you know that's just that's just what they
dropped it on America's water, awkwifers exactly. This is why it's good.
Why aren't you eating the bugs yet? Are you still eating? That's bad?
Bro? That Austin was so funny. So like I was up there.
I don't know if you remember me, but I remember. Yeah,
yeah, so it was funny just kind of seeing all that I will not
eat the bugs, like, yeah, they didn't use Did you watch the
Tucker documentary show. I didn't see it come out. Uh, well it's
it's like it's find a paywall. But I'll send it to you because I
found a copy of it that I didn't do it. Somebody put it up
on rumble. I'll send it to you. But oh cool, Yeah,
yeah, they he Scooter filmed so much and it got scaled down to like
I mean, I'm not bitching, like I'm happy to be in it,
but they's got scaled in at down like nine or ten minutes. I mean,
he had filmed like hours of stuff. But so basically nothing from the
live event made it except for the chance, like the chanting of the I
will not use the bucks that that made it in there. But yeah,
that's awesome. Did you see the clip on me as Klaus? That was
a funny ya. And you know what's funny about that is that there was
like that was like at least two hours of content that we filmed that day
at the park. There were so many funny reactions that didn't make it into
the into the final cut. But I wish to maybe like send it to
you so you can kind of do like your own release, like you know,
he can't. It's all unby Fox. So but so yeah, I'm
only able to get away with I think posting like the little clips from the
promos, so gotcha. I don't think they care about the promo stuff,
but yeah, you got Yeah, there were so many funny reactions that we
didn't that that didn't make him in there. That Ava what is her name,
That hottie, that hottie smart Dutch woman. Yea yeah, and she's
like a trad calf now too, right, like she just joyed up that
tried. I tried to reach out to her to do an interview, and
uh, she was like yeah, I'll do it. And then she goes
to me, so I don't think she wants to say she heard that.
She probably saw the track cat Debates and decided note she saw you destroy Nick
flint Is and she's like, no, every It's funny because I get every
now and then I'll get people that ghost me and I'm like, like the
kick Code News was like they reached out and they're like, let's do an
interview, and I'm like, are you sure. They're like yeah, and
then I think they looked more into what I talk about, and then I
never heard that you shouldn't tell him anything. Next time, I'm like,
oh, yeah, sure here, let's give you a day, and then
by that time it'll be too late. Like yeah, yeah, I think
a lot of people, Yeah, they reach out and then they don't really
know what all else we talk about. It's weird too, because you never
know what they're seeing. Like they might see me, you know, acting
completely retarded in a clip and like I was just gonna talk about economics stuff.
He's like he's acting like a retard he's asking for but actually I like
him. It's fun that way. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta keep it
balanced because it's not like it's just if it's yeah, it's too much,
and people will just well even like you said, it's like, yeah,
sometimes you get bored and it's like sometimes you just gotta go off on a
tangent. Well, right, dad, we've gone for as do you want
to start? Can we wind it down here a bit too much? Yeah?
That's good? Well man, No, I mean I'd love to do
another one of these in the future. Man, this has been great,
like finally talking to you after a few years of uh just stending messages back
and forth and you sharing our memes and you know. It's funny too,
because I can't much anymore because I only log in through the browser. I
don't even log in through the app anymore. After that last time I got
zapped, I don't even do that. I'm limiting my exposure to apps.
M Yeah, I'm actually thinking about we we were thinking about actually going back
to flip phones because I'm thinking, you know, do I actually need this
cell phone with me at all time? Not really? Yeah, most of
what I do, I would prefer actually to like have a designated time to
do it during the day on the computer and then get rid of the stupid
ass, you know. Flip phone, I mean a smartphone. Yes,
yeah, there's like actually there's a bunch of people at my church that have
shifted over to the dumb phones. You know. Interesting. Yeah, Jamie,
I've been talking about doing that. I think we may do it because
I was thinking of having that as my primary, the dumb phone. And
like again, like there may be a certain time of day because like for
some of the work I do to log into things at times, I've got
to have that authenticator and so I have to have a phone. But yeah,
you know I can have it exclusively for that and working hours done.
Yeah yeah, and even then just having the smartphone for like Wi Fi something
whenever, and you know, if you're not really ever using well if you're
at home or whatever. But yeah, I've been I have a dumb phone.
Then I probably got to go dig out of my garage. But yeah,
so that's something I didn't think about. Like so if I don't have
a cell phone number attached to the authenticator, like, is that going to
screw up everything? I don't know. I mean, if you've got two
factor on, you've got to have some way to do the two factor You
might be able to do it, like through email, because you know,
it's like some of the two actor authentication. You could have an email a
possibly doing that way, but if you've got it set up just to be
like but the Google authenticator, I don't know that you can do that online.
I think you have to do that to the phone, that's right,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they they're always going to find a way to
kind of make you part of the system, aren't they, unless I get
like the authenticator through your computer, like I know, which still is kind
of like trash, but it's not on your phone, you know what I
mean. I think they have an app like out as well, maybe for
Mac. I'm not one hundred percent sure. It's been a minute since I've
revisited that, because it's on my phone as well. That's what I use
for like social media. Yeah, I'm sure there's some way to figure out
how to get around that stop doing it. But I mean you could turn
you could turn the two factor and stuff off, or you can switch it
like you said to to email or something like that. But yeah, so
it's always a giant hassle all this stuff for sure. Man. All right,
well, thank you for taking the time today, man, I mean,
really, I mean, definitely appreciate it, man, And you know,
sometime down the road, I'd love to do another one. Yeah,
we should. I mean, I knew we would have a good conversation.
You guys are sharp and uh, you know, you know the lay of
the lamb when it comes to geopolitics and what's going on in there. So
thank you guys for having me. Oh no, man, Glory to God.
Thank you. Yeah, thank you, b Yeah, yeah, we
really appreciate it. Awesome man. Yeah, send me this when it's up
and I'll reshare it if you don't mind. Yeah, oh definitely, Yeah,
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