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This is a down beat on ninety
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and uh where relived that Zach Martin bar

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mitzvah prank that's coming up in about
forty minutes, but right now joining us

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live via the power of zoom.
This fellow has been a friend of mine

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for a long time and he is
the beat reporter for the Dallas Mavericks.

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On the Athletic Tim Cato joined us
Live as we discussed the story of the

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day. How you doing, Tim, I'm doing good. How are you

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KT? And did well? What
time do you wake up? Man?

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Because I'm We're gonna look at what
are you saying? No? No,

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he looks it looks awake. I
gave him the option of eight oh five

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or nine oh five, and he
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I was after wording I said nine
oh five for sure? Yeah, definitely

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nine oh five, KT says you
guys are I try to go to bed

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earlier, but game nights are just
sometimes not, especially a game light night

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like last night, where I write
off it after the night. I'm up

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till you know, two thirty three, but I'm here last night probably a

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little different than most game nights too, and this morning the same, I

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suppose. Gosh, we've mentioned one
dribble from the game yesterday. We haven't

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mentioned the hook shot. We haven't
mentioned that Dirk was on the broadcast the

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whole game, you know, and
by the way, skin among the many

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MAVs topics he will be covering today, who'll I just went back there and

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told him I need the full download
of everything. It's like to work with

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the Dirty One for an entire game. So don't miss their show. But

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Tim is on to talk, I
guess primarily about the news djore and the

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shocking news to us. How shocked
How shocking was it to you to find

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out that Mark Cuban apparently has decided
to sell majority ownership of our basketball team.

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It was going to be shocking no
matter what, just because of how

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long Mark has been the majority owner, how much his identity really is is

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like, you know, he's the
everyman, you know, and and so

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much of what represents that is the
fact that he sits courtside at this team

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that he was a fan of.
And then you know, his whole story

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is he made it rich and and
he's just like you and and I think

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that represents a lot of it.
And so for that to change, and

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especially for you know, a team
I have watched and followed for over a

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decade, I always think it was
going to be surprising. It was something

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that I had some inkling of.
I didn't realize how quickly it was moving.

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Apparently it goes back further than I've
even heard about it. But you

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know, there was rumors going for
the past few weeks that he was exploring

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a sale and and and the main
thing I was curious about was like why

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and and and trying to understand that
out. And I unfortunately have to tell

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you guys, I'm not way closer
to having a great why behind this.

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You know, I think there's several
reasons and and dots we can connect and

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things we can point to, but
I don't know if we're going to get

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a you know, a a single
clean this is why it happened right now

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as opposed to some other time.
That's uh that that's that's coming anytime soon.

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But uh, but we can definitely
talk through all that. But yeah,

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shocking, you know, it's it's
Mark Cuban and and even if he's

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still going to be on the sidelines
and and still gonna be in charge of

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basketball operations in a very unprecedented way. It it's still a huge change to

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you know, the well, I
guess the second most influential or standout owner

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and in the metroplex, but but
certainly right up there with h you know,

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the NBA's being being the NBA's Jerry
Jones at times. Is it a

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huge change though, Like he's not
gonna act any different, So, like,

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I don't know, I don't know
what changes for him on a day

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to day. He's gonna be still
gonna be doing Mark Cuban stuff. That's

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true. That's true. I know, I think that's absolutely worth pointing out.

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You know, I'm just very curious, like what what is it?

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What does it mean to be still
in charge of basketball operations, especially when

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he has not been the same type
of influential person since Nico Harrison took the

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job as he has been in the
past. From everything I understand, you

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know, people around the Mavericks tell
me that, you know, it's it's

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it's much more Nico Harrison's show than, you know, than the way Donnie

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Nelson kind of ran, uh you
know, ran the organization, and at

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times I had to like, you
know, convince Mark of stuff or didn't

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have his ear or things like that. So you know that that still could

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revert back, and you know,
there there is a lot of influence Mark

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has over kind of the direction that
the business side goes. And certainly the

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new buyers seemed very aligned when it
comes to, you know, adding getting

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a new arena with a casino,
in legalized sports betting and all of that

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stuff. But there's definitely a lot
of different ways that on a business perspective,

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which you know, as far as
I understand, Marcus not retained control

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or or would not can maintain control
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know, through the sale, there's
certainly a lot that can change, you

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know, subtly. And maybe it's
stuff that because I see it behind the

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scenes and it feels bigger to me
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on on the surface. But but
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definitely significant changes that will come with
this move. So I've stuck on why.

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I know you mentioned it. I
was going to be my most simple

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of questions is why, And I
know you have contacts. This is Tim

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Cato, the athletic that we don't
really have access to, and I imagine

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you've been hypothesizing with them on that
very question. So, I mean,

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do you have your best guess as
to why My first reaction was, Oh,

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is he actually going to run for
president? You know, something he

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has openly flirted with over the years, something that I think he might have

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done had the twenty eighteen misconduct or
culture of misconduct not come out. I

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think I think it's possible that he
that he would have run after that before

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you know, that twenty eighteen story
came out. That was my first reaction

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and and nothing I've heard indicates that
that is what's happening. It's hard to

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prove a negative. You know,
I don't know, you know, the

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people I talked to are are you
know, I assume this is something that

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I don't know how hard it would
keep it, you know, it would

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be to keep it under under wraps. If if this is what he's doing,

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I sue pretty hard. And so
I have no indication that's what's happening,

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even though that was my first reaction. But uh, you know,

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that's that's all I can say to
that. You know, I can't I

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can't you know say for sure that's
not happening. I just I don't have

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any indication yet that's that's what's going
on. And so that leads you to

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you know, other theories of you
know, just you know, just needing

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the payout. You know, the
taxes are expensive. You know, he's

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he's thinking to the future. You
know, there are there are you know,

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when you put funds aside and and
you know, for for the future,

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for for family, for for his
children, for things like that.

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You know, there's there's uh,
there's certainly helps to have money on hand.

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You know, we've we've seen reports
of of of Mark, you know,

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making a lot of crypto investments things
like that. I I have no

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clue what his financial situation is,
but I do know that a lot of

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his net worth was tied up in
the Mavericks. And so, you know,

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as much as this is his identity, I'm beginning to think that they're

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there. It probably was inevitable at
some point that he would make a move

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like this. And then when you
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I think a lot of the tech
billionaires who have recently come into the n

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b A, uh, the the
younger billionaires the owners you are. You

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know, there are a lot of
owners that are starting to follow in Mark

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Cuban's footsteps, and that means high
visibility, more daily involvement in control,

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or at least awareness. And so
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of all the people that that Mark
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all the buyers that Mark could have
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many would have allowed him to retain
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just because you know, he kind
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do what he does. And so
when you look at the buyer and you

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think through you know, perhaps some
motivations, you know, and what the

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Mavericks could represent, even on a
business perspective, and why he's allowed to

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retain basketball operations and why it isn't
somebody else. Those those are the dots

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that I that I see kind of
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Yeah, Maria Addison might just be
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basketball, you do it. But
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any money or I think we probably
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more than people who are billionaires.
But it would not make sense for him

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to run this year, if you
if you okay, first of all,

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Battilson's big time donors to the Republican
Party for a long time. If Cuban

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was going to run, that's my
question. Would Cuban run as a Republican?

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Was that crazy to ask? Right
now? I know we don't talk

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about politics much on the show or
anything like that, but you wouldn't be

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running as a Democrat because your president
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by it. Earlier, Maybe it's
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then twenty twenty eight is go time, and by then his kids are out

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of the house, right and I
don't want to by like his he's got

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too in high school right now or
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out of the house in twenty twenty
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makes the most sense to me.
But yeah, you know, that's that's

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one thing that I kind of speculated
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he's more like a I'm just a
I'm just a common sense guy, you

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know, with common sense politics,
and you know he goes for a third

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party bid or or something like that, you know, it would I'll put

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it this way, would be it
should be fitting when the person he bought

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the team from was Ross Garoe junior. It'd be funny but not true.

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But yeah, I have not heard
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twenty four or twenty twenty eight,
that that's happening, which absolutely does not

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rule it out or means that it's
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stand, from who I'm able to
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information that that is that has come
my direction, even though that was an

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initial suspicion or thinking here, as
of right now, I haven't heard anything

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that would that would kind of confirm
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is Tim Cato, our buddy from
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new majority owner, they do have
the power, and if this goes through,

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they will maintain the power. I
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all basketball operations, but Missus Adelson
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owner of an Israeli basketball team,
so there's clearly some family aspirations to own

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and operate a sporting team. I
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year or two, the majority ownership
could say, you know, we're not

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really happy with the direction and we're
gonna we're gonna make a move as far

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as at least running basketball operations goes. I have no idea, I mean,

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so, so a lot of this, like determs on the you know,

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is determined by the terms of the
deal, and until we have a

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better idea of like exactly what this
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move, I can't you know,
maybe people on Twitter have found a you

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know, a similar example, but
I haven't seen any examples of something like

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this being enacted in pro sports,
at least not recently or you know,

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in over the past few decades.
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on, yeah, what does it
mean to retain you know, betball operations?

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What what does that actually what?
What what are the terms of it?

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What is the language? What is
you know, the responsibilities? You

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know, I don't I don't think
they're taking away Mark's courtside seat. I'll

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say that for sure, and you
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know, is Nico is you know, especially if Nico has been you know,

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a a you know, someone that
Mark has let's say, at least

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deferred to far more often over the
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You know, is is that part
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wanting to b GM is Has he
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person? Is It's something that if
if he has he he you know,

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he has less to do, you
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know, more idle with this time, he's all of a sudden it's gonna

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going to try to get back involved
and and do those terms and and does

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this situation allowed to do that?
Those are all great questions. I don't

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have answers to you right now.
Well, Tim, we thank you for

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your time this morning, and we
appreciate it. We'll keep following you along

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at the Athletic. If you're don't
give out your Twitter account or all that

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stuff for us, go ahead,
fire away, Yeah, Tim Underscorcado.

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I I tweet when I have something
to tweet, you know, which is

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sometimes not that often threads more often, what's your thread? I am not

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on threads? That's the one I
didn't get on smart. I don't know

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why I feel like it. Well, if if you hear anything, let

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us know. Man. Just show
me a text, but also probably just

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do your job and probably post that
first to the Athletic. Follow Tim at

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the Athletic. I love the Athletic
and I love Tim. I mean,

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it'd be more fun to just like
immediately hop on. Yeah. I just

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get off the phone call and it's
like, here's some stuff I have that

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I haven't confirmed whatsoever, but yeah, I tell you guys, yeah again

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to find it out, jump on
the morning show here with Magic Mike,

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Kevio and the Boner and you'll get
the adrenaline bump you need. See you,

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Tim, Thank you for your time. That's Tim Cato there, gentlemen,

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see at O there he goes kto
Tim, kto Kato. Sweet man,

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good dude. He is a good
dude, and I can tell you

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that it's a hung out with him. This is a wild day, man,

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It's a wild one. It's a
wild one. It's a wild one.

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I know I just said it,
but I was just talking to Skin

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as they're preparing their show. Tend
to to the Ben's Skin Show, and

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I think they're gonna have Mark Stein
on, I believe, who has a

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Saturday show here on ninety seven on
the Freak we of course the home of

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the Dallas Mavericks. But yeah,
for real, I if anything happens in

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MAVs Land. I mean I almost
never missed their show anyway, because they

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have a hot girl on their show
that I like listening to. But today

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is the day to lock it in
ten to two because they're gonna have stuff

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that no one else does and they
always do. And listen between the lines

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on Skin sometimes, oh yeah,
listen closely. There's us a little reckless

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speculation. Some things. He can't
really say that he kind of yeah,

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yeah, he doesn't. He's like
much like us in the Adams Handler.

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He doesn't like to just give you
no. He likes to give you a

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crumble up the cookie. Yeah,
and then you have to get the whole

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cookie on around to work a little
bit. Plus, Skin will give you

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the entire behind the scenes story of
what it's like to do on a massive

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television broadcast with Dirk Novitsky, Yeah, who apparently doesn't know when the producers

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just talking about him, and he's
talking so funny. He goes Yogata,

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stopped talking in my ear. He
says everything so damn fun It's getting got

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up to do the halftime interview.
Oh where's he going? Yeah? That

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was the postgame interview, the post
game. Yeah, and he said,

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do it you out like friend on
the couch, like you need to pull

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that anytime Skin stands out. He's
in the bro you out amazing, incredible.

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Hey, JJ, we popped me
up real quick. He has to

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make his wheel spinning noise. JJ, you know what, let's straddle why,

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let's do it right. I have
a super segment coming up next.

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Yep, I'm calling it a super
segment that's coming up next. And do

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I need to tell you anymore?
Super segment next on ninety seven to one, The Freak