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You're listening to KFI AM six forty
on demand Chip. Welcome to the Jesus

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Christ Show. Hello Jesus, my
brother. What's going on? Roughly?

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I don't know. Ten years ago, I was heavily involved in a cell

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church and things are going great,
and then all of a sudden, my

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prayer life became I don't know,
for lack of a better description, putting

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my prayer in a bucket that disappeared
into the black distance. And when it

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started to happen, I recognized it
immediately because I was so used to feeling

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the presence of God just in you
know, I mean, I'm driving to

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work, I talked to him and
you know, morving go on. I

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just you know, always talked to
him and he was always there and whatever.

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And then this started, and so
I recognized it changed immediately, and

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I prayed with even more, with
even more vigor, And you know,

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I said, you know, what
am I doing wrong? I know it's

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me, because it's not him.
It had to be me. What have

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I done? What did I do? What am I doing? You know?

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You know I asked my friends to
do the same. My friends prayed

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with me and for me, and
you know, I was, you know,

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drop a bus on me, whatever
it takes to open my mind or

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my eyes or my heart or whatever
I've done. And finally, after about

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five years of doing this, I
just kind of, I don't know.

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I'm wondering if I'm just full of
baloney, you know, I'm I'm I'm

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wondering, you know, is this
what it's Do most Christians not feel the

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presence of God? Was it my
imagination? You? No? It depends

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how you're feeling, I am,
Chip. I mean, are you saying

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that you felt God when it was
attached to certain things that you got that

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you wanted. No, just mowing
the lawn. He was just there.

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How has that changed? I don't
I you know, I don't know.

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I mean, the self Church is
a part of fell apart, but we

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joined another one and that didn't go
real well either. But then sometimes when

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I hear those things, here's the
rule, Chip, straight out. If

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you are standing in front of a
building and you see it in front of

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your face, and it's right there, and then all of a sudden,

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a couple of years later, you
don't see that building. The likelihood of

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that building getting up and moving is
slim, right, It's you that's moved

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exactly. So there you're the one. The pillar of God stands firm.

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If you're not seeing God, usually
it's because you've moved away for some reason.

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And if you get caught up in
the movement of a church or the

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movement of a body, or a
particular teacher or anything, you get caught

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up just in that you lose the
beauty of what's really going on. And

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that doesn't mean that there aren't wonderful
you know, groups or churches or teachers

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that have great followings. It's not
about that. It's if you get caught

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up in the movement though. If
you just get caught up in that experience

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experience, then it becomes, you
know, simply about the experience and less

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about God. And sometimes people go
for that feeling. It's like we say

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on the program that that happiness is
a momentary feeling of joy due to happening.

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So people confuse happiness for joy sometimes, and happiness is and joy,

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joy is constant. It's always there. It's for those who understand that it's

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there even in bad times. It's
not something that, oh someone gave me

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a cake, someone gave me money, Oh things are going my way.

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Therefore, I'm happy. It's always
there. Joy is the pure understanding and

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acceptance of existing and the complexity and
the intensity of what that means. Wow,

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I exist. That is a wonderful, wonderful thing in good times and

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bad so for believers. Often you
can get wrapped up in an experience or

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a particular church, and I hear
people all the timeship that will will say,

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hey, you know what, my
pastor left, or my pastor retired.

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I heard recently of a pastor who
retired and has to tell people,

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you know, have signs and stuff
of say, please respect my retirement because

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people didn't want to let him go, right, and he had done God's

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work and he's he needs to spend
time with his family and himself, and

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people were just like at his door
thinking and that becomes a form of idle

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worship. That becomes, you know, people losing the truth of who God

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is and thinking that God only can
only be seen, only be felt through

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certain things. Right, you know, we you know, we hope the

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show lasts a long time. We
hope God is you using it and that's

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why we're here. However, people's
faith should not be built upon this program.

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No, the faith. The faith
should always be in the Father in

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this end absolutely, So where is
he? So, where is He in

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your life that that you're not seeing
him, feeling, tasting, experiencing God.

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Well, that's what's funny, is
is he's really I mean what I

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used to take is I'm not making
any sense. It's everywhere. I mean,

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it's in the fact that I'm sitting
on my back porch putting my beautiful

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dog. It's you know, it's
in the fact that my daughters are inside

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pickering over a video game, you
know exactly. Those are the things that

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you should be experiencing and taking the
simplicity. Yeah, you know that that,

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Yeah, I guess that could be
it. You just get used to

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it, and this is it's it's
too easy to go, ah, well,

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God's there. Especially when God is
there and God's really present in your

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life, you take it for granted. And that's why people say, oh

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why am I going through these trials
because it's the only time you recognize being

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Having a little distance from God truly
makes you go, oh my gosh,

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God is gone. It's not oh
well I don't really feel him. No,

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God is there. When just God
takes enough to go on the head

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of a pin out of your life
and you will feel as if the bottom

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has dropped out. And perhaps,
yeah, it's just you have to appreciate

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that that he's there, and you
have to see it a little different.

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Sometimes building the steps Chip, people
will say, oh, this guy does

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such and such and I want to
do that too, or you know,

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people see a huge company that's successful
and they go, oh, all I've

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got to do is you know,
well, there's a coffee house and they

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make tons of money. I just
have to make coffee on a street corner

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and have a cute logo and some
scones and I'm going to be rich.

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I'm going to be a wealthy miser. Yeah, but it's not people forget.

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People see success Chip and they try
and copy success. Never copy success,

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always copy the path to success,
which is very different. A lot

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of times it's years and years and
years of straining and toiling and trying to

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figure out a proper recipe or a
proper path or raising the money or doing

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all these things of it. No
wady sees that. They just see the

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end result and they go, oh, this is all I have to do.

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I have to open a shop and
I have to put coffee in it.

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No, there was steps prior to
that that were the most important part,

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not the end result. Sometimes it's
so easy to see the end result,

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or get used to the end result, that you forget the steps it

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takes to get there, and in
forgetting that, you lose all of it.

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Emron, Welcome to the Jesus Christ
Show. Thank you so much for

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taking my call, my pleasure.
We got just a couple of minutes here,

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So what's up, perfect I was
wondering if you could elaborate in the

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verse for me, Matthew, Chapter
six, verse twenty two, and I'll

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take that off. Okay, thank
you. Wow, what a courteous caller.

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Chapter six twenty two. So here
you're looking at me talking about wealth,

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and it starts out nineteen. We'll
push back because I always tell you

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the understand something you want to read
before it, and you want to read

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after it. So it started verse
nineteen. Do not lay up for your

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self treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust destroy, and where thieves break

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in and steel. Then we'll jump
to verse twenty two, which is the

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one in question by you. The
lamp of the body is the eye,

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if therefore your eye is clear,
your whole body will be full of light.

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But if your eye is bad,
your whole body will be full of

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darkness. If therefore the light that
is in your darkness, that is in

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you is darkness, how great is
the darkness? So this is me getting

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upset at the Pharisees, and the
Pharisees were very big on gathering wealth,

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getting as much as they can and
gathering wealth. My point here was that

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they were serving two masters, and
that they were they were not They were

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not able to use faith or understand
faith because they were never in need of

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God. They always supplied their own
stuff. They always got their own stuff.

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So the passage here describing the eye
is talking about if they're only looking

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at wealth, imagine the old concept
of having rose colored glasses. Well,

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if you have rose colored glasses,
everything you see will be rose colored.

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So if you are lusting after and
coveting after stuff, then your now the

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window to your soul. Your eyes
is now taking in only that lust and

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coveteousness for things, and not learning
about the necessity of God providing or any

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of those things. And then it
goes on to say that you're serving two

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masters because it's showing that they're serving
wealth and the gathering of wealth and God

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when they have time, and so
it's splitting them. The darkness comes from

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the eye being sick. This is
implying that their eyes are sick because their

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eyes are bent on gain and constantly
getting wealth, and they can't see anything.

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If you've seen somebody gambling or somebody
who makes a lot of money,

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and all they think about is making
money, making money, making money,

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their eyes look dead like that.
They're not thinking about anything outside of it,

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and therefore the inside of them is
dark as well. That's what it's

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talking about. Joe, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, and

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thank you very very much for your
sacrifice. I've read the accounts of your

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apostles on your comments on the hypocrisy
of the Pharisees and the Sodycesese, and

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I now follow your instruction for prayer. But my question today is on the

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role of churches and religion. Everywhere
I look nowadays, my understanding of the

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churches in religion and is the primary
goal is the salvation of men's souls.

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But everywhere you look there are churches
involved in liberation theology and help with the

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environment. And global warming, and
immigration and social justice. What's going on

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with the churches. So you're concerned
with the church being involved in what would

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normally fall into politics. Yes,
okay, I think it's fair, and

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I'll address it specifically and then generally
as well. First, generally, it's

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imperative that churches are involved in many
aspects of what's going on in the world.

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It's helpful. However, there are
times where the church becomes lazy and

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they forget that their job is to
change hearts, not laws, and that

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if you change hearts, the laws
will follow. So it's easier to change

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a law than it is to change
the heart of man. So a lot

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of times churches focus on the political
and they lose their path. However,

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you mentioned some specifics global warming and
the like. Well, outside of the

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politics of that, you know,
whether it's happening or not, or any

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of those things. You are called
throughout scripture to be good stewards of that

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which is in front of you,
and to be a good steward of the

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planet is to be reasonable. To
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is reasonable and completely biblical. However, those issues you raise are hot button

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issues and become political and politicized very
quickly. And what happens is they become

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emotional rather than intellectual, and people
stop being rational about Okay, well this

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is what we need to do,
and you should be able to protect this

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or to protect that or any of
these things, and it becomes an emotional

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issue and that becomes a problem.
And then the church puts their and promoteur

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on it, and it looks like, oh, well, the church is

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saying, well, we believe this, and then this particular Protestant church saying

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we believe this, and that becomes
very, very problematic, and now the

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church loses it's place, which is
the spiritual compass and the compass of righteousness

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in the community, and now becomes
just another pundit and another politico and another

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voice spouting things on one side or
the other. And my response always has

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been, give to Caesar what is
Caesar's and give to God what is God's.

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So people get lost in those things, and unfortunately there's not the balance.

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Sometimes there's people that say, hey, Joe, and you may be

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one of them. I don't want
them near any political things, and that's

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not fair either. The church is
in the community plays a part of the

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community and is raising the community and
has a stake in it. And therefore

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the best thing a church can do
is raise people up in the way they

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should be. Raise them, teach
them the right things, teach them what

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the biblical and scriptural decisions are on
things, and let them make the decisions

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out as they are in doing civil
things and being part of their civic duty.

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That's what's important. When the church
gets too involved, yes, that

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is a huge problem. Raphael,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello

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Jesus. I've had a question for
some time about how the soul or spirit

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actually exists within the body, and
then it leads me to the question of

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if it exists within the body.
So, in a word, assuming we

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each have individual souls, in the
event of let's say, an amputated limb,

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or if you donate a heart or
another organ like a kidney, does

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any of your soul go with those
parts or does the remaining body have any

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lesser soul as a result of giving
up the kidney for instance. No excellent

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question, but no. Throughout scripture
it refers to ashes, to ashes,

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dust to dust, it refers to
the clay. You know, the creator

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using you as clay and your body
being clay, the flesh being a container

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of vessel reeling. And if you
imagine it, it's like saying, if

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you donated your car, does part
of you leave with the car. No,

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you get out of the car,
and then it's just a shell.

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It's what you used to move you
or your body around in this world.

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Well, your body is what moves
your soul around in this world. Well,

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this is where it gets a little
complicated for me. Okay, years

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ago, I had an ankled injury
and my orthopedic surgeon made the suggestion that

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he could take a couple of cells
of my cartilage out of my bike,

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put it in a bajudish and let
it grow, and as it would develop

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into a larger amount of cartilage,
then reinsert it and repair my ankle.

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So, while that cartilage is out
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and it never died, it never
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So if in the very near future, science is able to take one or

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two other cells of my body and
create a clone of me, does that

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other grouping of now very complicated human
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soul. Well, this is where
the argument goes. Now, how how

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it pertains to your question and the
specifics of your question. No, your

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soul is not in that in those
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of who you are. No,
but your soul is never truly inside your

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body in that sense, your soul
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soul is a bridgeway to a whole
other world. Your soul is that which

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connects you with God, and your
connection with God is completely other than an

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outside the body. The cloning process
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Well, that gets into whether God
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that other living being or whether it's
just going to be tissue and assuming assuming,

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and this is where science is taking
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replacement body parts for yourself as long
as that other organism does not have a

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brain that is allowed to cultivate as
part of its development, I could theoretically

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have a spare heart or a spare
kidney. Right, That's that's the possibility

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of the path that is being trodden
on as we speak. Right, So,

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if the other organism in fact is
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then the consciousness that would have come
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soul is created for that new being. Well, that would be on its

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face where you would intellectually go absolutely. However, the theologically that that is

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all man question, dealing with man. The placement of the soul is a

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God question, and there's there is
no there's nothing you can go to in

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scripture that's going to point out specifically
how that category would you know fit in,

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because that category doesn't exist really in
scripture. So see that the only

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place that the soul could then exist
is in the brain. Well, that's

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where that's where, that's where it's
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you're experiencing it here. But for
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have Stephen being stoned to death,
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that the bought that the soul was
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Yes, so so there there are
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you know, Stephen was still alive
maybe physically, but the spirit had been

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removed or the soul had been removed
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a form of compassion by God and
to being brain dead in a hospital and

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being kept on life support. Possibly. So these these are one of those

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philosophical categories that go with uh,
you know, many forms of study.

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You've got theology implied there, you've
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things that are going to come together. And this is where understanding science where

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science leads And does that mean,
you know, does that show the face

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of God or does it explain away
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statement was that all things that can
be understood should be understand good, but

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how they're applied is where it becomes
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just because this knowledge will exist doesn't
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particular or what seems like the logical
path. That's where science and ethics have

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to meet. But when it comes
to the mechanics, you may mechanically be

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able to build a body, but
no, no scientists can build a soul.

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So they can maybe replicate or use
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scientists don't understand what the soul is
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They continue to go back to the
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out how the brain pushes these things, because the brain would be for all

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intents and purposes mechanically a computer,
and computers don't feel emotionally. They can

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replicate things, but they can't create
them in that sense. Even with artificial

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intelligence they can make You can make
a robot put its eyebrows down like it's

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sad, or put them up like
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not experiencing fear or anger or sadness. That is precisely where it becomes really

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difficult for someone like me. But
you can appreciate the knowledge of it.

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I can appreciate the theology behind the
distinction between the spirit world that would require

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us, and I still somehow have
never released the idea that there is not

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energy. So I really do believe
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that somehow is in effect well sure, and all the things we've talked about

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point to that. As a matter
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ago that created a simple life virus
and like in a Petri dish, and

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it was this big deal all over
the scientific community. Man is created life,

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and the theist went, uh huh, so what and they went,

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oh, well, we did it. You don't need God and they said,

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you did what in it? An
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which is what the theist has been
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intelligence, not from randomness or chaos. And so there's yeah, there's That's

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where my question really is. No, but what as it lies. As

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it lies with the pieces and the
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mechanics. That is, even if
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looks exactly like you, it's not
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one of just the mechanical reasons,
because you are a product of your environment

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as well as your genetics. And
so the new environment, if it's growing

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in a new place, unless it
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time, in the exact sense that
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this being grows and adapts, then
one must understand that likewise, whether God

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breathes. The word numa o the
word spirit comes from the word numa means

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to breathe. It literally is is
is the illustration of God putting his mouth

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on the mouth of man and putting
air into him. May I may ask

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you though, in the case of
the cartilage for my ankle, yes,

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sir, I own the cartilage,
yes, sir. In the case of

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putting my body stem cells into some
patriotish that grows up into being a complete

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human that essentially is spare parts for
me, at what point would I not

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be then able to own that other
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actually included a brain, is it
then it's own sanctioned being? Or should

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I still have ownership just as I
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at what point is this harvesting of organs

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of your own organs? Where does
it become some a greater debate, And

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this is what's going on, and
this is why people are arguing saying,

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hey, at some point, you're
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God and you may find as a
people that there you'll get to that state

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should it, you know, get
that far and it won't be what you

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think it's going to be, and
it won't have that And it's much further

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off than people think. And there
are greater problems with the cloning process than

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people think. And it's not that
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It's not something that is going to
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thirty years, fifty years, whatever
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No, my issue with my own
soul is that is there something really

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here that I need saves? Is
there really something here that really is what

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is referred to as the sinful natures
there? If the question of the soul

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becomes such a basic issue as to
how it exists and what is needed from

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it, you may have wellcome to
earth to save my soul, as we

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all understand it. But does my
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you know, it is the Jesus
Christ Show. So forgive me for stating

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the obvious, but the answer,
the answer is yes. Yes, The

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answer is yes absolutely, because there
are things outside of the mechanics of the

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biology you're talking about that that transcend
that that science has not been able to

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even understand or observe properly. Things
like that. You know, having male

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female does not match the evolutionary model. Having emotion does not match the evolutionary

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model. The desire to love when
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survive does not match that evolutionary model. And those are the things that are

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outside of the mechanics. So you
keep saying, well, if you build

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a car, if you build a
car, if you build a car,

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and I'm saying no, if the
engine isn't put in there, the car

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means nothing. The car is just
physical formature. Says be fearful not of

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the person that can kill the flesh, but the person that can kill the

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soul. So they're not combined in
that sense. Also, when it talks

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about birth or you know, people
say born again, they think it's a

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denomination. It's not. It's a
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and Nicodemus, and I'm explaining,
unless you are born again, and he

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says, I got to crawl up
into the womb again. No, born

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of the water and born of the
spirit. It's talking about being born in

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the flesh, born of the of
the woman, and then born of God.

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And they're two separate things. And
even if science makes an entire person

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of you, that doesn't say whether
God is going to grant that thing a

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soul, because there are other living
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what happens that well it becomes mechanical. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christow.

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Thank you. Uh. My question
is how can someone like me who

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I am. I am probably one
of the biggest sinners there is. I

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hate to admit that, but I
probably am be reconciled back to God who

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is holy. Well, why is
there what kind of sin is in your

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life that that it weighs on you
such? I mean, are you just

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in a complete state of rebellion or
you're just a sinner because you're a sinner?

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Well, I don't know if it's
a sinner because I'm a sinner or

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anything like that. And I'm really
not sure if it's rebellion. I know

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that there is a God, and
I know that he is very holy.

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Okay. And because sometimes when people
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something that that has a foothold in
their life that continues to come up.

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And it's not that I when I
say a sinner because you're a sinner,

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it's not belittling the sin. I
mean, all sin is bad. It's

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to understand difference between well, there's
something in my life that I that I'm

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I've been struggling with for a long
time versus being a human being and falling

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short of the mark of God.
Well, as you just stated in that

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being human, have issues with adultery
because I am separated but not legally divorced.

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I really don't like that deal or
even the word divorced at all.

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But that you're okay with the word
adultery, Now, okay, we need

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a one of them, be honest
with you, I'm very sure God is

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not. Okay, we neither one
of them as well. Well, it's

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really about you know, the term
repentance. And you hear this all the

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time, and it's this, you
know, very religious sounding word, but

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Jeff, it really just means to
turn away from. And if you if

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you think of it this way,
imagine a pillar, a big marble pillar,

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and it's in one of you all
the time, and all of a

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sudden it's not in front of you. That's because you changed. Chances are

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the pillar doesn't move, and that's
how God is. So if God's not

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in your vision, and God's not
in your view, it's because you've turned

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away from God, not because God's
turned away from you. So the first

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thing to do is to get on
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And seeking God's face and seeking God's
will. That's what's imperative. That's also

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one of the reasons why I called
to speak with someone like yourself, who

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is much more in tune with His
ways and his will than I am,

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or have her, probably ever have
been, but yet I will to be.

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Well. There's a big there's a
big cheat sheet. It's made up

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of over sixty books. It's written
over a span of yes, sir,

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a span of one hundred or fifteen
hundred years, by forty authors or so,

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thirty continent or three content and in
times of peace, times of war.

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I mean, there's a there's a
big book there that will help you

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understand things. And there's an old
there's an old saying that sin will keep

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you from the Bible, but the
Bible will keep you from sin. So

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if you spend time in scripture and
you spend time with God, that's how

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you get to know God better,
and that's how you learn to see where

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you're missing the mark. It's like
shedding a little light on the situation.

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Turn the light on first, see
what needs to be cleaned and what needs

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to be done, and spend time
with God, build a relationship and turn

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away from those things, don't you
don't. You're bigger than that. You

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don't have to fall into adultery or
things like that. You build your life

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in a way that you don't stumble
into those things. Otherwise they'll get a

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hold of you. Kfi Am six
on demand