WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:25.079 Every good team wants to keep their good players. Fans understand that, and 2 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:33.560 I think organizations understand that. The LA Clippers really no difference. They wanted 3 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:38.880 to keep James Harden, they wanted to keep pull George together. George instead 4 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:44.679 signed a four year, two hundred and twelve million dollar contract in Philadelphia last 5 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:49.200 week. You saw this, right, I mean, he's still a very 6 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:57.399 productive player. He's got no trade clause. And remember LA was I mean 7 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:02.439 that's his hometown, that's where he grew up, spent five seasons there, 8 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:10.560 was hoping to stay there. The Clippers offered him a two year contract. 9 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:15.879 His words, now, the Clippers offered him a two year contract worth sixty 10 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:23.959 million dollars. Trent, if I offered you a two year deal worth sixty 11 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:30.480 million dollars, how would you take that? Where do I sign? Right? 12 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:36.159 I know it's different because you're not an NBA player, at least you 13 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:41.599 weren't this morning when you woke up. And I also understand that you know 14 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:49.719 there are certain parameters that take place in the NBA and certain guys who expect 15 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:57.959 to be taken care of. How would you view how would you view Paul? 16 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.040 How would you view a guy like Paul George certainly one of the better 17 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:06.319 two way players in the league, even at this age. I mean he's 18 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:07.680 coming off. I don't want to call it a career year, but he 19 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.919 did play in seventy four games. A big concern with him has been health. 20 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.240 For context, the year before that, he played fifty six, year 21 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:20.719 before that thirty one, So I mean he did, I guess, make 22 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.400 a really solid case that he can be durable and he's earned this money. 23 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:28.039 And we see this a lot in football ship where guys in a contract year 24 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:30.919 will really be a little extra motivated. I wonder if we saw that with 25 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:34.120 Paul George this year. But it is interesting. I mean, he gave 26 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:38.879 an interview saying he kind of just wanted what Kawhi got, and Kawhi Leonard 27 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.520 is a guy who is a lot less reliable in terms of staying on the 28 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:46.639 court. So I do find it interesting. Yeah. Look, I mean 29 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:51.080 I don't know how old is old enough or too old for some people. 30 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:57.919 He's thirty four, right, so in theory, if you give him that 31 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.879 two year deal, he'd be thirty six by the time it's all yeah, 32 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:07.680 and he hasn't been super durable. He played fifty four games a couple of 33 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:13.319 years ago, played thirty one games in twenty twenty two. Last year he 34 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.039 played fifty six. This year he played seventy four. Yeah, and that's 35 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:20.400 seventy four by the way, that's his highest mark since twenty nineteen, when 36 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:23.439 he was still with a thunder for context, and he played seventy seven games 37 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:30.919 there. In fact, he's only played all eighty two games. Well, 38 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:37.879 he's never done it now. I don't think that's the measuring stick because I 39 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:42.240 think, look, a guy plays eighty one. Maybe in Indiana they had 40 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.960 it wrapped up in twenty sixteen and he chose not to play the final game. 41 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:50.759 I don't know the situation there. Did lead the league in games played 42 00:03:50.800 --> 00:04:01.240 in twenty twelve. But my point is you can understand why an organization might 43 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:09.719 be a little timid when it comes to signing a thirty four year old who 44 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:15.519 hasn't been super durable but very productive to a four year contract. Would they 45 00:04:15.519 --> 00:04:18.279 have met in the middle, I don't know. I don't know how those 46 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:23.240 negotiations went, but I do know that he got four years out of Philly 47 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:29.879 and he was being offered to by the Clippers. The bigger issue that I 48 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:38.040 have is that Paul George viewed that two year, sixty million dollar contract as 49 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:47.680 disrespectful. His response, according to a podcast that he did recently, said 50 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:55.439 I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, two years sixty that's crazy. 51 00:04:55.920 --> 00:05:03.040 I'm not going to sign that. I have. My initial thought was this 52 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:12.759 is kind of disrespectful. Now, look, he joins a really, really 53 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.560 good Philadelphia team. I mean, you get Joel Embiid, you got Tyrese 54 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:23.079 Maxey, and Embiid's got to stay healthy. Of course, Trent Meant mentioned 55 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:27.560 that he wanted somethingor close to Kawhi Leonard. Leonard signed out what was an 56 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:38.079 extension three years, one hundred and fifty three million dollars. James Harden signed 57 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:44.920 a two year, seventy million dollar deal at the start of free agency. 58 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:50.360 So the Clippers had to have known that that was going to be the barometer, 59 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:55.600 right, I mean, that was going to be something where the Paul 60 00:05:55.639 --> 00:06:00.720 George camp looked at and said, we want to be somewhere in this ballpark 61 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:06.079 and they didn't get it. And if James Harden sets the bar there, 62 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.519 I mean they were teammates last season. Of course, Paul George is a 63 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.839 better player than James Harden at this point in my agree agreed. So if 64 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:15.680 he's getting seventy, I can definitely see how Paul George would look at it 65 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.199 and think sixties is disrespectful. But Chef, I want to ask you this. 66 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:23.680 Paul George said the no trade clause was pretty important to him. I 67 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.680 mean, that's just kind of what I gathered from this podcast interview you're referring 68 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.240 to. Do you think if they would have grown sixty five at him in 69 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.560 a no trade clause you think he stays in LA Yeah, it's a great 70 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:40.120 question. I think he needed to be at least to the James Harden seventy 71 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:48.879 I would have guessed. My issue trend is this. I'm sure there's times 72 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:58.519 where we all felt in our careers where we've been disrespected. Right, We've 73 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:04.560 used that word undervalue when you'd yeah, that might even be better underappreciated. 74 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:12.199 Maybe not disrespected, but underappreciated. Do you recognize what you're missing here? 75 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:18.360 Do you realize what I do in addition to the things you see the things 76 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:24.000 you recognize, Right, I do some little things that you don't always know 77 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:30.319 about. Right, Well, that's fine, And what you just said is 78 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:31.959 a good word. What I said, I think is an appropriate word. 79 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:40.720 My problem, and I think many people's problem with Paul George might be the 80 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:49.639 word disrespect. It is really hard for average people like you and me and 81 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:58.279 our listeners to take a guy who's being asked to play eighty two games a 82 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:05.120 season and he's never done it, play the game he supposedly loves, and 83 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:11.240 a game that you and I would absolutely love to play for a living, 84 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:20.120 make thirty million dollars a year doing it and call it disrespectful, especially towards 85 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.160 the end of your career. You point out the age. That is a 86 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:30.160 big factor, especially for a guy who in his career thus far has made 87 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:39.960 well over three hundred million last year. Paul George made over forty five million 88 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:46.320 dollars, the year before forty two, the year before thirty nine. When 89 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:52.159 somebody says to you that you're making thirty million dollars a year, and that's 90 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:58.799 what he made in two thousand and nineteen. When somebody says to you at 91 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:05.679 the age four, even though you're a decorated player, you're gonna make thirty 92 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:09.480 million dollars a year, you can say it's it's too low. You don't 93 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:16.799 think it's market value. To use the word disrespectful is just really hard for 94 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.919 the average fan to get behind. We just can't appreciate it. We just 95 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:31.279 don't know where you're coming from. We just think you are spoiled. I'm 96 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:37.159 not saying he is. I'm saying that's how it comes off. That word 97 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.559 is thrown around way too often in today's world, and it's sure as hell 98 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:48.639 isn't appropriate in this situation. When we come back, something that I watched 99 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:54.639 last night, that you may have already watched, but something that has got 100 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.120 me kind of fired up. When I originally didn't really want it, I 101 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:03.879 didn't think it would be but it's changed my mind. It has to do 102 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.519 with football, it has to do with the NFL network, and we'll talk 103 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.840 about it when we return on Ex'es and Bros. 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But it's the fifth shot out of the 139 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:16.679 year. I read that they are forty one and twenty six when they score 140 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:26.159 two runs or more. Huh, what does it tell you? First of 141 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:33.279 what, I found that hard to believe. Second of all, it shows 142 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.600 you if they can. It shows you how anemic their offense has been this 143 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.879 year. Well, I think it also speaks to how great the pitching has 144 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.879 been. Agreed, you see, I like that you looked at it from 145 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:52.279 a positive standpoint. I immediately went toward the negative standpoint. All you got 146 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.840 to do is give these guys two runs, right, you win the game? 147 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.559 Yeah? Yeah, I mean, look, they're starting pitching yesterday. 148 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.080 Here's what I couldn't help it on wonder though. I don't know why my 149 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.840 mind goes here. It needs to be fixed. I don't know how to 150 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.679 do it. Maybe you can help me. When I see a guy like 151 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.480 Montero come out and do what he does, and we've seen rhes Olsen do 152 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.080 what he's done, right, and we feel like there are at least a 153 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:26.279 couple more arms, whether it be Job or Madden or whomever in the miners, 154 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:31.240 who are ready to make the next step within the next couple of years, 155 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:39.840 hopefully within the next year. How do you accelerate the reboot? How 156 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:46.720 do you accelerate the ability to get what is truly needed for this team. 157 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.200 Look, I've said this for a long time, and then we'll get to 158 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.159 something I watched last night. I've said this for a long time. This 159 00:14:54.399 --> 00:15:00.960 team, this organization, not the team. The organization has been built on 160 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:07.080 starting pitching. Okay, you know a n ie note Just look at their 161 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:13.320 draft picks and look who they talk about. It's been about starting pitching. 162 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:20.919 If that's the case, and we all believe it, also understanding with the 163 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:26.759 caveat that you're going to miss on a lot of starting pitching. If you've 164 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:33.159 got nine starters in your camp, you're lucky if three of them come out 165 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:39.320 being major leaguers. So you're bound to get a lot of that. But 166 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:45.320 if it is truly built on starting pitching and you need position players, something 167 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:52.559 that this organization has lacked, you know you're gonna start. You're gonna train 168 00:15:52.600 --> 00:16:03.120 your starting pitching. Right. You use your strength to bolster weakness. I'm 169 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:11.799 not saying Montero or Olsen or eventually Job or Madden or Flora's, any of 170 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:18.200 these guys are going to be an ace or going to be the next coming 171 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:26.000 of Derek Scoubel. I'm just wondering if, with that being a luxury for 172 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:33.320 you, you want to use that to your advantage to get some additional pieces 173 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.720 that will expedite things. I think what it comes down to, two chef, 174 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:42.559 is just how just how frustrated are you with the anemic offense? Right? 175 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.279 How badly do you want to speed up that process? Are you willing 176 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:52.279 to let go of some of these arms? Yes? Now, Jack Flaherty 177 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.799 will be a really important piece, right. I mean there are people who 178 00:16:55.919 --> 00:17:00.600 believe the Tigers should sign him to a line long term contract. I am 179 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.839 not one of those, not saying I'm right. I'm just telling you I'm 180 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:07.799 not one of those. I'm not. I don't know. None of us 181 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:15.480 know what the market is to get a guy like Jack Flaherty. I know 182 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:22.920 what people would love to have, but oftentimes those are fantasy things. I 183 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:27.720 would trade Jack Flaherty for Gunnar Henderson well, of course, but Baltimore wouldn't 184 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:33.079 do that, you know what I mean? The Yankees are in need of 185 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.400 pitching, starting pitching. How good is their farm system and so on, 186 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:42.079 and so those are the things that oftentimes, you know, first of all, 187 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.880 you got to look at. Second of all, you got to make 188 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.000 sure you got certain guys you're going to get. And thirdly, do you 189 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.599 really want farm systems? Like we talked about yesterday, do you really want 190 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.720 prospects? We've gone through that before. And the judgment it is not just 191 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.880 the judgment on at least at that time ala Vila. For Justin Verlander, 192 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:08.920 it was baseball baseball feeling like you had the three nine and eleven prospects in 193 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:14.519 the Houston organization coming to Detroit. For Justin Verlander, most people would say, 194 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:25.480 and I read you the quotes from Detroit got a haul haul, meaning 195 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.519 in theory it was probably at least at that time, people thought it'd be 196 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:33.039 beneficial for both teams. That was the hope. Yeah, isn't that isn't 197 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:37.160 look isn't that the goal? Anytime you do a trade. I know fans 198 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:41.599 want to be able to say we fleeced them, but teams in general, 199 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:47.160 they're looking, they're looking for something that's good for both teams. Look at 200 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.960 the Lions and Rams trade. Do you think that was good for both teams? 201 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.519 Trent, I was just going to say, that's the perfect example in 202 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.440 all of sports and modern history that I can think of. It's a really 203 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.920 good trade for both teams. Rams got what they want, they got their 204 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:10.039 Super Bowl and they're still contenders. And the Lions got the chance to use 205 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:15.599 draft picks and get a starting quarterback and to hit reset and to give Brad 206 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:21.640 Holmes those resources to build what he's built in a short three years. Right, 207 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:29.519 So I'm not based on yesterday's conversation. You and I probably both agree 208 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:37.400 with this. I want ready made major leaguers one guys who are going to 209 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.200 contribute. Now, I would tell you this. You go to MLB dot 210 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:45.480 com. This is why sometimes we get a little twisted with things. MLB 211 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:51.880 dot Com before the year, this is before the season began, they had 212 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.720 the top They ranked every Major League Baseball farm system from one to thirty. 213 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:03.799 Do you know where the Tiger is ranked? No? Idea fifth? Wow, 214 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:10.200 I would have got seck the middle of the pack. Right. Last 215 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:15.920 year, mid season rank was thirteenth, preseason rank was twenty fifth, two 216 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:19.400 years ago, mid season rank was twenty second, preseason rank was tenth. 217 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:30.240 So before this season began, MLB dot Com ranked the Tigers farm system fifth 218 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:38.720 because had Max Clark as a top one hundred prospect. He was thirteenth, 219 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:47.960 Cold Keith as a top one hundred prospect, he was twenty second, Jackson 220 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.079 Job who was a top one hundred prospect, he was twenty fifth, and 221 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.319 Jay Young, who was a top one hundred prospect, he was sixtieth. 222 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:07.839 Okay, there you go. So they had them ranked fifth and people are 223 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:17.720 like, okay, well, who needs a starting pitcher the Dodgers. Are 224 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:25.400 you going to take Dalton Rushing from LA who's the seventy fifth overall prospect in 225 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:33.240 baseball and plays catcher in first base? You tell me, hell no, 226 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.000 you want more than that people I read yesterday, Oh how about what the 227 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.400 Yankees? The Yankees need starting pitching. Okay, well, what is it 228 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:47.519 you're going to get from the Yankees? Are you going to get Anthony Volpi 229 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:55.160 their shortstop? Are you going to just get Jason Domingez they're really good looking 230 00:21:55.559 --> 00:22:02.599 young outfielder, or Spencer Jones another good looking outfielder, or a kid by 231 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:07.160 the name of Roderick Arius, their shortstop, Chase Hampton, a right handed 232 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:12.599 pitcher. Those are all just prospects. Man, except for Volpi, who 233 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:19.839 won a Gold Glove as a shortstop a year ago. I think you follow 234 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:26.519 my point. Detroit's got prospects. Detroit, at least according to MLB dot 235 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:33.160 Com, Detroit has some talent in their minor leagues. You need some major 236 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:41.559 league talent. That's my point. All right. Last night, flipping through 237 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:51.799 the channels after the Tigers game on Fox, and I come across Hard Knocks 238 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.839 in Season with the New York Giants. Have you seen it? Trent, 239 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.319 bits and pieces, not all the way through. Okay, so I think 240 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:06.920 there's only one one episode so far, and it's an HBO production. I 241 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.759 said, it's an NFL network, it's HBO. It's phenomenal. It's always 242 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.799 really well put together. It really is. I mean, I didn't think 243 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:17.519 I would enjoy it. I mean, as a matter of fact, we 244 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:22.200 talked about this a few weeks ago, or I said, sometimes less is 245 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.839 more, you know, it might be too much with what's going on. 246 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:34.640 Hard Knocks in season, Hard Knocks training camp, Hard Knocks off season, 247 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.839 It's like, okay, enough, it's really not. I mean, I 248 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.279 was wrong. I'm sitting here. I was completely enthralled with this stuff, 249 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.160 and I think the NFL might be the only league that can get away with 250 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:53.160 that. I agree. I agree what they do a great job. I 251 00:23:53.279 --> 00:24:00.319 wish a local production company would do that with the Detroit team, even if 252 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.599 it's for a year. Like I remember while working with what was then known 253 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:14.559 Fox asking the Red Wings to go behind the scenes and put together a really 254 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:19.480 special Red Wings feature, and Babcock and ken Holland agreed to do it, 255 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.519 you know, I mean, they had to have final say, but I 256 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:27.680 would guess most teams want that anyway. But it was following the team on 257 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:37.880 the road. It's giving them the giving them some inside information through casual conversation 258 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:45.759 and miked up personalities, things that common fans don't see. They see the 259 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.799 games, they see the production, and they see the pre impost, but 260 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.680 they don't and sometimes you'll get a miked up situation, but they don't see 261 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:59.039 the behind the scenes stuff. It's something that has always enthralled us anyway. 262 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:03.759 Their general manager is a guy by the name of Joe Shane, and a 263 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:10.079 couple of things struck me while I was watching this Episode one was they talked 264 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:18.839 about patients a lot, and I thought, how often do Detroit fans hear 265 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:23.759 that word patience? They hear it with the Red Wings, They're hearing it 266 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:27.960 with the Pistons for sure, and we hear it for the Tigers, right, 267 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.039 So a lot of the p word being used in Detroit, and it's 268 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:41.720 being used by the New York Giants too. The other thing that I recognized 269 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:48.240 was something they said and they brought up the Lions. During this, the 270 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:53.039 director of pro scouting was talking about the various running backs who were going to 271 00:25:53.119 --> 00:26:03.119 be available if they didn't re sign Saquon Barkley or if they didn't franchise him 272 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:08.920 and try to trade him. So they were talking about various upcoming free agent 273 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:15.640 running backs, Singletary, Swift, you name it. They brought up Jacobs, 274 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.680 they brought up a lot of different names. There were a lot of 275 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.640 them. It was a good class, Yeah, yeah, it really was. 276 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:26.680 And they ended up signing Singletary. But they were talking about sa Kwon 277 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:36.599 Barkley and how productive he was and just how valuable he is. But the 278 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:41.200 director of pro scouting said, you put him behind Detroit's offensive line or the 279 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.880 Lions offensive line is what he said, or the Eagles offensive line, and 280 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.200 look how much better he would be. Look at the numbers he would put 281 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:56.000 up. I think he's exactly right. Yeah, but there was a part 282 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:59.319 of me, Trent, while I'm listening to this and watching it, I'm 283 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:06.160 thinking, not that I didn't believe it already, but the Lions have arrived. 284 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:12.839 The Lions are being used as a measuring stick in something the standard. 285 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.759 Yes, the Lions are gold standard for offensive lines in the National Football League? 286 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:22.960 How often has that been the case? Not just offensive line. I'm 287 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:27.279 talking about any position, any position group. Remember I said late last week, 288 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.799 I was talking about the NFL network production of America's Game, and I 289 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.359 mentioned the Steelers and their linebackers. Remember Ham and Lambert and Russell back in 290 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.519 the early seventies, And I said, they were the staple, right, 291 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:48.000 all of them were all pro. They were the measuring stick. When has 292 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:56.519 Detroit? When have the Lions had a collective group? I don't mean one 293 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:02.119 player. I don't mean Calvin Johnson, I don't mean Barry Sanders, I 294 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:07.799 don't mean Chris Spielman. I want to know the last time the Lions had 295 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:17.519 a collective group position group that was the standard. This is a answer. 296 00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.839 I mean you could you could pretty much say Jason Hanson that's about it, 297 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:23.359 right, But that's one place I know. That's why I said it's probably 298 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.559 a smart alec answer. But yeah, I mean, who would it be? 299 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.359 Is not this the best offensive line the Lions have ever had? I 300 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:40.480 can say that with confidence? Oh yeah, Okay, have the Lions had 301 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:45.759 some linebacker group? They've had an individual Mike Cooefer went it was more of 302 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.559 a defensive end. But you know, there was Chris Pielman, there was 303 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:55.720 Stephen Boyd. I'm talking about together. Has there been a secondary way back 304 00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:03.000 in the seventies with Spider Man Allen leading the W was there a defensive line 305 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:11.039 outside of Robert Porchet, outside of al Buba Baker? I suppose it was 306 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.960 with Doug English too, but it wasn't. It's not like it's viewed as 307 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:22.640 the Steele Curtain. Wasn't viewed like Baltimore or Chicago when Chicago was led by 308 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:29.160 Steve McMichael or Baltimore led by Tony Siragusa in company. I mean, no, 309 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:41.359 the Lions offensive line is the envy of just about every other NFL group. 310 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:48.200 Every NFL team when they aspired to do something, they would use the 311 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:57.279 Lions as the example. That's pretty cool. I like that, and I'm 312 00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:07.960 sure you do too. Expectations, perhaps very low expectations. 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