WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.080 I will do that after Rob and then after Long. You gotta put this 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:09.279 in part in the show. I really insist this part is in the show. 3 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:15.839 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can 4 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:24.519 do for your country. Mister gerbatchaf tear down this wall. Read my lips. 5 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.519 It's the Ricochet Podcast with Peter Robinson and Rob Long. I'm James Lilax. 6 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.320 Today we're just going to talk amongst ourselves about banking, about this, 7 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:36.920 about that, but we got walkers do it from the Stanford to Review to 8 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.640 talk about what happened there. So let's rowsels a podcast. Let me just 9 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:45.679 say this to Stanford law students. I know federal judges at every level saw 10 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:49.119 this and has anchored them. It's going to hurt your clerkship chances. And 11 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:54.640 I would say to stanfordt donors, call Stanford University president and let him know 12 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:58.119 that this is unacceptable and you're gonna pull their funding of this if there are 13 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:02.320 not consequences here. Welcome everybody. This is the Ricochet Podcast, number six 14 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.959 hundred and thirty four. I'm James Lilac and absolutely ridiculously frigid Minnesota. Peter 15 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.280 Robinson is in California. Where I gathered that it's as usual temperate, moderate 16 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.599 state and Rob Long is in New York, which could be cold, could 17 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:19.239 be spring, who knows. But gentlemen, enough of the weather here, 18 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.719 we are welcome bank news. We know that Rob is chomping, I'm sorry, 19 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.480 champing at the bit to talk to talk. Before this, I was 20 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:30.159 saying, you know, none of us are going to want to talk about 21 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:32.280 this bank thing, because what do we know. All I know is that 22 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.239 when credits, when Swiss seems to have trouble, and you're saying the Swiss, 23 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.359 the Swiss are in trouble, that maybe I should be paying attention. 24 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.680 But what can I do? So Rob, you have something to say bank, 25 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.359 I would just say this about Credit Swiss. Credit Swiss is really not 26 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:51.959 connected to this at all. Credit Swiss has been on it's like last legs 27 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.760 for the past two years. I have a feeling that it's like when you 28 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.480 do a bad news dump on a Friday because you want all the bad news 29 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:02.159 out of a weekend. This is a lot of people are emptying their garbage 30 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.120 now because they can bury it in all this news. But I do think 31 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:12.159 that we are in a you know, I this will shock you James. 32 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.800 I am not a banker. I don't like lots of numbers or nor nor 33 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:23.120 arithmetic. But it does seem to me that, um, that the federal 34 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.759 government, the Janet Yellen has basically said, has announced that every single deposit 35 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:32.240 in every single bank in America at any number is now ensured by the federal 36 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:38.360 government, which sounds bananas to me. And it's again as a complete perversion 37 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:43.120 of what the FDIC was supposed to do, which is to protect people who 38 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.800 aren't rich from losing their life savings. Now, maybe that maybe two undifty 39 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.280 thousand dollars is too low, Maybe it should be three to fifty thousan dollars, 40 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:53.400 because you know Biden's inflations. Two and fifty thousand dollars isn't what it 41 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:55.599 used to be two weeks ago. It isn't what it used to be. 42 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.639 But the idea that we're now going to sure everyone's deposits all the time, 43 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:09.000 um, instead of investigating a pre market solution to this problem is a mistake 44 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:13.639 and a mistake that I think it's going to really make us pay. We're 45 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:15.560 gonna be paying a lot. Well, Peter, you would agree, wouldn't 46 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.840 you that if the government agrees to backstop absolutely everything. There's no way that 47 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:23.800 that would make anybody reckless in any way thinking that their errors will be covered 48 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:28.439 by Uncle Sugar. Right. Yeah, Listen, this is tricky for me 49 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:34.280 because this town is filled where I sit, northern California. This town is 50 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:39.479 filled with people who object to the bailout of Silicon Valley Bank on principle, 51 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:46.000 but are just delighted by it in practice. I know, I must be. 52 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:51.159 Half of my friends had my Quican Valley Bank, and well so did 53 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:55.360 Ricochet. Let's be honest, bank, so did Ricochet. Although less our 54 00:03:55.400 --> 00:04:03.280 listeners get the idea, we would read the assured limit exactly the city council 55 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:08.240 right now as if one hundred million dollars just went down the shoote No, 56 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:13.159 no, no, but yes, yes, yes, of course that's correct. 57 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:23.879 It's if it's a question of if the federal government engages in blanket insurance 58 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:29.360 of all deposits through the banking system, that does not make the risks go 59 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:34.959 away. It places the risks on the shoulders of the American taxpayer where they 60 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:42.120 were not before, and it does not unleash the magnificent power of the free 61 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:46.560 market. If you have if you're trying to protect small depositors. I think 62 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.160 that's great. I think that's a I mean, that's a good plan. 63 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.759 FDIC is useful, right, But for people who had a million, two 64 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.519 million, three million, four million, five million dollars in deposits or more, 65 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.199 which I found bizarre to find out why a company would have fifteen or 66 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.319 twenty million doll dollars in cash in a bank. But whatever, Okay, 67 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:05.120 that's not I'm not the CFO. I don't get to judge that. But 68 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:10.040 if you do, then you should be allowed and encouraged, in the fact, 69 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:15.600 maybe even fiduciarily compelled to purchase private insurance for those deposits. There's no 70 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.800 reason why you couldn't do that. That's particularly why we have a system called 71 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.879 titles insurance. And if you're a rich person, you should be insuring your 72 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:26.120 fancy bank account the way you insure your fancy boat and your fancy mansion. 73 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.600 And then that would actually unleash insurers to say knock on the door of Silicon 74 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:32.360 Valley Bank and say, hey, wait a minute, now, listen, 75 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:38.360 you seem to be kind of exposed on your long term paper that you're holding. 76 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.519 We're going to charge your depositors a little bit more for their insurance, 77 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.000 and then the depositors get the build like, wait, why am I paying 78 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:46.480 this much more? Maybe I shouldn't be a Silicon Valley bank, and then 79 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.879 maybe Silicon Valley bank, and that feedback loop that would happen would start to 80 00:05:49.959 --> 00:06:00.000 unwind. It's incredibly incredibly foolish positions in you know, Treasury, and you 81 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.720 also you mentioned a moment ago exploring a free market solution to the problem. 82 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:09.600 Over the weekend, one of the arguments we heard and argument being made by 83 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:14.360 friends, friends of mine, people I know this town was really nervous very 84 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:17.959 there was. It felt, it felt panicky. So one of the arguments 85 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.720 was, this is not a panicked argument. This is an argument argument that 86 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:29.439 banking. If you're trying to read up on a bank and you're trying to 87 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.240 read its financial statements and you're trying to make some judgment as to how risky 88 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:38.879 the bank is, it's almost impossible for an ordinary depositor to do so because 89 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:45.120 banks are such complicated institutions. Bill Ackman, the big finance guy in Wall 90 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.720 Street who was writing about the need to backstop and bail out SVB, said, 91 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.639 look, I'm a very sophisticated financial investor. I can't read the bank 92 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:57.160 statements. David Sacks made a similar argument, and then lo and behold, 93 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:02.000 it turns out there's really only one number in this kind of circumstance. There's 94 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:09.000 one number, and that number is Silicon Valley Bank. Nine of its deposits 95 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:13.759 were uninsured. Now that number was striking to me, because very quickly the 96 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:19.199 little tiny bank where I do my personal banking thought, good lord, there 97 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.959 may be a run on that bank, and they immediately sent out a note 98 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:30.439 to all of their depositors saying, eleven percent of our deposits are uninsured. 99 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.199 There's not going to be a run on a bank where only eleven percent of 100 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:40.000 the deposits are uninsured. Right, All you need, all you need is 101 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:42.160 one number. Now, of course, a few more numbers, you might 102 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.079 want a little more information than that. But the notion that it's just impossible 103 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:51.240 to judge the risk in a bank when you're putting in a deposit, it 104 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:57.560 seems to be just untrue on the face of it. But a little bit 105 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.279 of information, and I would actually add this, is that I don't know 106 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.079 how to wire, I don't know how to look at a wiring plan for 107 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:11.480 a house, or look at wires in the house and decide if they're unsafe 108 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.519 or not. I don't know how to do that. I'm not good at 109 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.720 that. I don't know how to look at a foundation and judge its soundness 110 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.959 or not. But I know a home insurers do it all the time, 111 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:24.399 correct, And they charge me for risk, and they charge me at the 112 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:28.240 end of the year for risk or monthly or whatever it is. And it's 113 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:33.720 simply injecting some additional insurance that you have to pay above and beyond what the 114 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.039 federal government is saying, we are guaranteeing this from our bank examiners. Seems 115 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.440 to me to be the ultimate and perfect solution if you want to hold a 116 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.360 whole lot of cash in a bank. The alternative is the government pays for 117 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:52.320 everything, you pay for you, meaning we pay for everything, or we 118 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.000 decide we don't. We don't want smaller banks anymore. We just want four 119 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.480 or five big banks. And that is a solution that a lot of people 120 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.440 are arguing before. I think it's dangerous. I don't. I don't think 121 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.000 we want four or five big banks. So probably based in money centers deciding, 122 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.360 um, you know, banks are too important to be left to the 123 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.120 you know, rich people, and you I mean, and I don't want 124 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.519 to sound paranoid, but if you're a paranoid, if you're a paranoid person, 125 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.320 if you're a paranoid conservative, you might say, well, what how 126 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:22.360 much power do these banks have to defund, d list, uncredit somebody they 127 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.279 don't like? So yeah, so why not just so A lot, a 128 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:30.679 little A lot of smaller banks are good um and short deposits for small depositors, 129 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.600 good large depositors with large cash positions should be able to purchase independent free 130 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:41.480 market insurance those assures should. There's the problem right there, rob using those 131 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.679 words independent, free market, crazy notions, liberty, and individual decision, 132 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.200 because those can cause harm at the end of the day. There can be 133 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.919 harm when all of those actions do not have the proper outcome. So what 134 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.639 we have now is an attitude of safety ism that says, well, instead 135 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:01.799 of having this this crazy pill ma red and tooth and clawed dog eat dog 136 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.360 world where individual companies can do as they like and purchase the insurance or not, 137 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.960 we just need to know that everything will be backstopped, because that will 138 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.440 make everybody hole and it's it's it's it's safe. It assures the outcome that 139 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.559 everybody wants. And yeah, I mean small banks are good before the FDIC. 140 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.360 It's always instructive to go to you know, you go on Google street 141 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.559 View and you look at any small town and you will find what used to 142 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.559 be the bank. You will find to be you will find it. You 143 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.120 will find a building that is. There are two styles. One of them 144 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.519 is Richardsonian Romanesque. It's on the corner, it's got squat pillars and it 145 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.399 says bank and it's chiseled in stone over the door, and that place is 146 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.840 long gone. Or there's the second Farmer's Mutual, which is on Main Street 147 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.159 with its Roman temples, looking like an embassy of the Empire. And it 148 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.360 went down in the Tin panic or the depression, or when somebody tried to 149 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.320 corner the flax market or something like that. So yeah, I mean there's 150 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.480 I think, however, that the instinctual desire, the instinctual fear out of 151 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.039 you know, it's a wonderful life of the run. The panic in the 152 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.200 rest of it, of the small bank that goes under is kind of done. 153 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:05.840 That we assume that because of FDIC, with that nice little sticker in 154 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.519 that sign that we see in this when we go to the bank, that 155 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.000 will be made whole. But this is a whole different thing to say above 156 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.840 two hundred and fifty thousand dollars is a whole different thing. Yeah, James, 157 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.279 you're touching out something very important to my mind. I'm no banker. 158 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.039 I don't understand in any great detail. We both said the same thing, 159 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:28.759 which is less. I don't know, but what you do kind of like 160 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.600 you do like yeah, well, I mean here was not a but but 161 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.919 I scanned a postcard of a holiday in last night. So yeah, exactly. 162 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:39.679 No. So think of those banks, those community banks scattered across the 163 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.039 Midwest. The nature of agriculture has changed. Farms and buy and large gotten 164 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:48.600 bigger. There's a lot of big agrib business. Agribusiness of at scale doesn't 165 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.679 need small banks. But there are still family farms and the town banker who 166 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.000 knew the families, who knew who was responsible and who wasn't, and who 167 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.279 understood the rhythm and farming. You borrow, you buy your fertilizer, You 168 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:03.440 buy your seed. Who you know what the market is going buy, You 169 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.639 place your future sales. You repay them. People know it, and then 170 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:09.279 when it comes time I need an addition on the house, the banker says, 171 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:15.840 no problem, I know you. I had a banker buddy who used 172 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:20.039 to claim plausibly to me that when he was driving through the middle of the 173 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.000 country, he'd come to a small town and it would look as though it 174 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.279 was just sad. Houses hadn't been repainted, lawns were being taken care of, 175 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.720 and two or three towns further along there'd be a town that looked in 176 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.039 pretty good shape, and he would claim you could tell it a glass. 177 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:41.799 The difference was the bank The banker knew his customers and was willing to lend 178 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:45.440 to them, and there was a sense of trust that extended to financial trust 179 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.399 in the community. I think he's wrong. I think he's wrong. I'll 180 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.720 tell you why in a second. Yere, but he may be right. 181 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.399 But here's my thought on that. Harwood, North Dakota, is where my 182 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.559 family is from. It's a little town about ten miles north of Fargo, 183 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:03.039 and it's infinitesimal. It's got a vhu's got a you know, Veterans of 184 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.360 Foreign Wars Club, it's got a big elevator, it's got the general stores 185 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.480 when I was a kid, and a scattering of houses. It's absolutely tight. 186 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.200 It's a hamlet, it's a burg, it's nothing. Where's the school, 187 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:16.879 Well, the school is down at the schoolhouse property, which was you 188 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.360 know, because when they platted out in North Dakota, they would they would 189 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.480 reserve room for the schoolhouse. And even if the schoolhouse had been destroyed thirty 190 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.600 years before when they consolidated the district, everybody still referred to that land as 191 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.679 the schoolhouse land. It's funny you mentioned that. But there was one bank, 192 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:35.720 and the bank was built in the sixties, early sixties. It looked 193 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:41.240 like Madmen style international architecture, Mecy and architecture dropped down in this little North 194 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.360 Dakota hamlet, tiny but a jewel box of modernism. Was just beautiful. 195 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.440 And you're right in that instance, the guy, the people who ran it 196 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.639 knew everybody around. They knew how the crops were doing, they knew what 197 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:56.720 the prices were. Hardwood still didn't prosper until they became a bedroom community of 198 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.759 Fargo. But you're right, they had a band and just the fact that 199 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.000 the only modern thing that had been built in fifty sixty years in this tiny, 200 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.519 little non existent town was this beautiful little bank I always found fascinating. 201 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.720 But the reason that some towns look bad and other towns look better maybe the 202 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.720 banker. It's also because those towns were founded on the distance of horses, 203 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:18.639 how far you had to get from them from the farm to the place where 204 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.600 you bought your stuff. And then cars come along, and the cars shorten 205 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.080 the distances, so about every every third town prospers and the other towns don't. 206 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:31.320 And the one that has the little nucleus of business downtown, that that 207 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.559 one hung on and the rest of them withered a bit. And I think 208 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.600 it more has more to do with automobile and distance and where the farmer goes 209 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.279 on Saturday to get his feed in his shoes. But that's you know, 210 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.240 that's maybe everybody looks at it from their own particular angle and seas you know, 211 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.799 I, I know, we got to move on, but this is 212 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.279 actually stuffing. I've never asked James about it. I've kind of always wanted 213 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.519 to, And I know we're sort of far afield on the idea of banks. 214 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.759 But I think in general this comes unto the heading we all think, 215 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:03.720 or we think or I think, whatever that multiple banks good, a few 216 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:11.159 money center banks bad, federal deposit insurance for the small deposit or whatever we 217 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:13.440 wanted. We can define that up if we want to, But you know, 218 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:20.320 not zillionaires seems good. UM, And anything above that this comes up 219 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.840 has cast either those people either have to find other ways or they lose their 220 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:28.000 money. That's what happens in capitalism. UM. Losing your money is something 221 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:33.559 that happens. UM. Okay, so that but because we're talking about the 222 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.840 actual physical banks. When I was in college, I was studying architecture. 223 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.440 One of the most beautiful, the most beautiful kind of UM, a genre 224 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.720 of architecture we study were, of course Midwestern banks, and the most beautiful 225 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:52.399 ones were made or designed by an architect named Louise Sullivan. And you're still 226 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.080 around and I haven't. I've never seen one in perpose in person, but 227 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.360 I assume that James has. And I want James to tell me if there 228 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.559 is beautiful in person, And they are they and they are as like extraordinary 229 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.960 like works of art, but also works of like a symbol, symbolism, 230 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:14.799 like you can trust this place and it's there, and they're kind of they're 231 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.559 they're not classical they're not like, they're not you know, they don't like 232 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.639 but they seem real right, yeah, utter and total break with with with 233 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.399 American architectural norms. And it's not just Sullivan elmously. There's a whole bunch 234 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.480 of guys who were working in the Prairie School and the Sullivan School who farmed 235 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.240 out over the Midwest and made a whole bunch of little banks, not a 236 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.440 lot, but enough so that you are surprised when you find one, or 237 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:37.639 you make a trip to go see one, and they are gorgeous. They're 238 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:42.960 square, they have none of the classical ornamentation. They're broadly new in an 239 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.240 American way. They have this organic style of decoration that that nobody had done 240 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.159 before that Sullivan came up with, which is appropriately called Sullivan esque. And 241 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.960 what it says is this is a progressive place. This looks forward. This 242 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.320 place has made an utter right from the past. Now, whether or not 243 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.119 that actually sends the message you want to send, I don't know. Because 244 00:17:03.319 --> 00:17:06.839 if you're the farmer coming into town, do you want the one with the 245 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:10.599 pillars? Because the pillars are a Roman and they go back two thousand years 246 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:12.000 and all the big banks in New York have the pillars or do you want 247 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.640 the one that looks like this efflorescence of new ideas? What are they doing 248 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.799 in there? Who are they giving my money to? So while we love 249 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:23.160 them for their esthetic appeal, I just wonder whether they're not a lot of 250 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:26.680 farmers and said, that's the craziest, ugliest looking thing I ever saw. 251 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.440 I put my money in this place over here? What got the pillars and 252 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.079 the Corinthian leaves at the top. So I think the farmers like the Louis 253 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.720 Sullivan Bank. That's what I think it could have been because it was organic. 254 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.559 It could have been because a lot of the farmers were progressive in the 255 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:44.880 sense that they joined movements that had co ops. And in the rest of 256 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.279 it. The idea that they're all bid bound folks ain't so. But we 257 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:52.119 can inclosing. In closing, we can agree I don't know whether it's every 258 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.880 third town that still needed these up. Fine, I take that point. 259 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.000 That's an interesting point. But in closing, we can agree that we'd rather 260 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:04.839 have the community banker in the Louis Sullivan Bank, if even only half of 261 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:08.400 those dozen of them needed anymore. In North Dakota, we'd rather have that, 262 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.079 than have farmers have to deal with JP Morgan Chase, Yes, and 263 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.279 have the local rep in North Dakota always looking over his shoulder in Manhattan. 264 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.880 We really don't want that, do we. And right, and I'll tell 265 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:23.880 you something else. And at least in those days, you could go down 266 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.359 to the bank. You got out your bank book, your little passport, 267 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:30.359 you know, your passbook savings, you dealt with somebody at the at the 268 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.559 teller cage that you may know when you sat down with a banker and he 269 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.200 opened up the stuff and you wrote down some numbers. You weren't looking over 270 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.039 your shoulder because you thought somebody who was going to steal all your information and 271 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.319 take and drain your account, which is what it feels like sometimes when you're 272 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.599 banking online. I got to huddle around my laptop and throw up all kinds 273 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.519 of walls in case nobody gets me and seize my precious numbers. Oh no, 274 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.640 that's why you know. You don't want to be exposed. Your information 275 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.759 doesn't want to be exposed. 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And now we welcome to the podcast Walker 301 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.960 Stewart, editor of the Stanford Review and member of the University's College Republicans. 302 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:40.000 And you're thinking, oh, was he there? Bus you dere Charlotte Walker. 303 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:42.359 Thanks for joining us today. Of course, everybody's talking about what happened 304 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:47.599 at Stanford Law, appalling as it was. Bring us up to date, 305 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:48.559 you know, tell us what happened and then bring us up to date. 306 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:52.920 Sure, yeah, thank you for having me on. So last week one 307 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.640 of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals I was scheduled. The Federal Society invited 308 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.799 him to give a talk on COVID uns and Twitter. You know, altogether 309 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:10.039 kind of innocuous topics important but not exactly point and basically the like some campus 310 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:15.839 activists didn't like that. I think he didn't give proper deference to transgender ideology 311 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:21.759 in one of his opinions last year, and the activists at Stanford Law School 312 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.799 did not like that and decided basically too And we can discuss this more collude 313 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:33.440 with administration to shut down Judge Duncan's talk. And so last Thursday he was 314 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.799 like, he came to give his talk, he was being heckled and shouted 315 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:42.519 at, and then the diversity an inclusion dean of the law school came up 316 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:48.240 and gave a pre prepared speech, after which the event was completely shut down. 317 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.359 And so that kind of gets to update on what happened last Thursday. 318 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:56.920 But it was a complete violation of any sort of university norm surrounding free speech. 319 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:02.039 And yet nobody's been pun to, nobody's been disciplined. Eight days later, 320 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:06.519 just to review the central points, it's Judge Kyle Duncan, federal judge. 321 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:08.640 Big deal if you're a law school student to hear a federal judge speak 322 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:15.200 Fourth Circuit. And it's not as if he said something controversial during his talk. 323 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:22.000 It's that he wrote in an opinion that certain law school students found controversial. 324 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:25.200 They never even permitted him to start his talk. Is that correct? 325 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.079 Yes, he was heckled the entire time he was trying to speak, to 326 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.799 the point that he asked for an administrator to speak to the students trying to 327 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:40.160 calm things down. That administrator was ended up being Dean Steinbeck, who basically 328 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:44.200 to shut down to talk after the other thing about which I want to be 329 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:49.640 very clear is that, and which I'm not clear, You said student activists. 330 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:55.759 So these were students who came from outside the law school, Stanford students, 331 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:57.640 but they came from outside of the law school, or these were students 332 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:03.039 at they were lost students who heckled him. So my understanding is that it 333 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.920 was primarily law school students that were the ones heckling Judge Duncan. There could 334 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:11.319 have been, you know, an undergrad or business school students slipped in there, 335 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.920 but you know, generally it was undergrad rescued to his law students. 336 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:21.200 Okay, And what's happened since then? There was an apology tell us about 337 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:26.640 that, ya. So Stanford released an apology where they had basically said what 338 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:32.440 happened was inconsistent with our policies, and we're taking steps to ensure that something 339 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:37.079 like this doesn't happen again. What steps they've actually taken? And that letter 340 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.279 was signed, the letter was signed by the president of the university and the 341 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:44.240 dean of the law school. Correct, yes, yes, that's correct, 342 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:48.359 Okay, And then what and the response to that letter has been so on 343 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.480 Monday, so the dean of the law school every week she teaches a sixty 344 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.359 person seminar on Mondays. And this past Monday, fifty out of the sixty 345 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:03.200 students in her seminar wore black man asks in protest of her apology letter. 346 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.960 And so what that's saying is that you know, eighty three percent of you 347 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:12.920 know her. The people in this Dean Martinis's class were in support of shutting 348 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:19.400 down Kyle Duncan's talk, which is truly remarkable. And they thought the outrage 349 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:25.279 was not that a federal judge had been refused the opportunity to speak at Stanford 350 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:30.720 Law School. The outrage was that the dean of the law school had apologized 351 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:33.240 to the federal judge that he had not been permitted to speak. Correct, 352 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.039 all right, yeah, their movement was on. You know, where is 353 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:42.799 his apology referring to an incident last year where my understanding was that there was 354 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:47.839 a law student that was trying to docs members of the Federal Society and ended 355 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.440 up getting in trouble with the administration and that was one of their like these 356 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.680 activists rallying cards, rallying cries. After was no oh, the university apologized 357 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.519 to Judge Duncan, but they didn't to the student who is behaving badly last 358 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.519 year. I have one last question before I remand you to Rob and James, 359 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:08.160 who are going to ask you about what it all means. I will 360 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:14.799 be listening intently. And the last question is this, in Stanford Law School, 361 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.720 we are discussing an institution which regularly, I mean year in and year 362 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.160 out, ranks among the top five law schools in the country. Is that 363 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:27.559 correct? Yeah, it's typically right number three in the world law school Dale, 364 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:32.720 Harvard, Chicago, Stanford's. It's a group right at the tippy top, 365 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.799 year after year, right, right, Judge Duncan. I mean when 366 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.440 I read it the first I was in between cycles, so I read the 367 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:49.559 thing that I had a news after the disastrous appearance and before the apology, 368 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:56.160 part of what their argument was was that he was a jerk, right, 369 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.319 that he was a jerk to the students who were protesting. I mean, 370 00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.240 the protesters are. It was like we were protesting and disrupting his speech and 371 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.559 he was a jerk to us and told us to shut up. Some version 372 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:10.480 of that. He was rude and that is true, right, I mean, 373 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:12.680 that's that is kind of true. He was sort of rude and kind 374 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.880 of a jerk. And later when they called him on it, someone reporter, 375 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.680 he said, yeah, they were trying to shut him. Yeah. 376 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.200 I don't apologize for telling people that are talking over me to shut up and 377 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.680 they're stupid. I'm just just just watching the goalpost move, right. So 378 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.160 it starts with he is no, he should not be allowed to speak here, 379 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:33.880 and then the official Standford position is, well, he is allowed to 380 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:42.519 speak here, and you're also allowed to protest his appearance outside the hall where 381 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:47.680 he was speaking, and then the protest. Then the goalpost moved to and 382 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.440 he's not allowed to be a jerk. If you interrupt him, he's got 383 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.839 to be meek and polite and shut his mouth and take it. And then 384 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:59.279 the goalpost moves the third time too, and the dean of the law school 385 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:06.119 can't make a statement in which she reaffirms the basic you know, I would 386 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.839 I would think the most Anna Dyne boilerplate law school belief, which is that 387 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.720 speech should be protected and everyone has a right to be heard. So the 388 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.559 goalpost now has moved from he's a jerk because he's he's conservative too, he's 389 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.799 a jerk because he was rude to the kids who were screaming at him, 390 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:27.440 to the dean of the law school has got to be removed. So my 391 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:33.160 question to you is this, They can't remove the federal judge, but they 392 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.960 can probably get rid of her right. They can probably get rid of the 393 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:40.640 can they? I mean, I guess them. What are her like if 394 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.079 you were like putting a bulls eye on her back? How big is that 395 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.440 bulls eye? How much? There are two deans in question here. Rob 396 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.000 One is yeah, I mean the D I D. I mean the Deana 397 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.640 law Sah, I mean I think she probably a D. Martinez is probably 398 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.400 fine. I think that really with we've seen with the university president in the 399 00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:03.119 provost, especially where really what these activists want isn't necessary to get the person 400 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:08.079 fired. But They want the person to be scared and to take their side 401 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.359 again the next time. And that's really actually if you read the piece that 402 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.559 one of our writers put out in The Stanford Review two days ago about how 403 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:26.319 Dean Steinbeck actually in January she was moderating a panel with about free speech with 404 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:32.279 a sort of judge that the Federalist Society had invited, and a lot of 405 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:37.799 these student activists were very dissatisfied with her for being too accommodating to that conservative, 406 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:44.200 right leaning speech. And that is really what we think motivated Dean Steinbeck 407 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.880 to end up being behaving so poorly last week was that she needed to sort 408 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.000 of get back in the good graces of the law school activists at Stanford Walker. 409 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:59.160 The Stanford Review is online. Listeners can read about this online, Yes 410 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:03.279 they can. Yes, It is our most recent article about how the entire 411 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.839 event last Thursday was premeditated. The Dean knew about it, other administrators knew 412 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.519 about it, the students knew about it. They were all working together into 413 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.640 hoots to shut judge Duncan just google on Stanford Review and it'll pop up. 414 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.079 Yes, got it? Okay, Sorry, Rob, I got I know. 415 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.599 James Watson and I got one more. So my my my usual posture, 416 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:26.440 right when I hear about stuff like this, of course we hear about 417 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.960 stuff like this every couple of weeks, is to sort of shrug and say, 418 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.079 look, you know, what's probably you know, I mean, yes, 419 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.000 it's terrible, it's terrible. But in all these schools, it's like, 420 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:44.200 you know, twenty loudmouth pains in the ass, and everybody else has 421 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:45.799 got their heads down, just wants to go to class and get the law 422 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.680 degree and then go or get a you know, Sullivan and Cromwell and make 423 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:53.599 a billion dollars. Most people are just kind of like, yeah, whatever, 424 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.200 man, just keep it down. I gotta do some reading. Um. 425 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.759 And that's what that is. A lullah bay I think I'm telling myself, 426 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.400 But then you tell me no, no, no, no. Eighty 427 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:10.200 percent of her class showed up wearing masks and like whatever, like blindfolds or 428 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:18.279 something. This is not a few troublemaking loud mouths, a little babies, 429 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:23.920 emotional babies at Stanford Law. This is the student body of the Stanford Law 430 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.519 School. So am I full of it? When I like say, oh, 431 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.880 come on, you're absolutely not. I mean, it's or when you 432 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.400 say, come on, like, it's only a couple of people like these 433 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.559 are like fifty of the students in our class. It wasn't like a passive 434 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.799 action they took. They actively went out, they got their masks, they 435 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:47.359 got there like little signs. There people protesting outside of the classes, mind 436 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.640 you, like a seminar on some legal topic. I think it's like property 437 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:55.359 You are something kind of obscure that people, these students made an active choice 438 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.880 to protest. The other thing on note is that these are not like, 439 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.240 you know, nineteen year old immature little kids. These people are twenty four, 440 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.720 twenty five years old behaving this way. And that's what I think is 441 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.920 most remarkable. And not to say that they can't protest, but the fact 442 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.920 that they're choosing to do so, I can still say is absurd. It's 443 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.880 odd that they think that somehow manifesting this behavior is not going to affect their 444 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.039 employment in the future, that when somebody does little Google search on them or 445 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.519 whatever looks for their face, it looks what they do say, Oh, 446 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.839 this is a person who causes an awful lot of trouble. I don't want 447 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.519 this person bringing this set of values to our office because they're just going to 448 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.839 be difficult and there are other people to bring. But it makes me wonder 449 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.640 is there a code of conduct that students are required to sign. We know 450 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.279 that it's like the license agreement on your iPhone or any software. You simply 451 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.880 scrolled at the bottom and tap. I agree, But is there anything that 452 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.160 says thou shalt not exercise the Heckler's veto? I mean, of course wouldn't 453 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.559 say that, but is there anything that says we expect you to behave? 454 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.319 So? I would say there is, but it's about as valuable as the 455 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.559 Cuban Constitution in that it's not worth the paper that it's printed on because it's 456 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.240 not at all enforced. And so there's all sorts of great promises that we 457 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:05.880 make as students in the university makes to us, but when push comes to 458 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.759 shove, there's zero enforcement. And so you know, yeah, we sign 459 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:13.519 saying we're going to behave in well in the university says they make their promises 460 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.000 to us, but it doesn't actually in practice mean anything. The great thing 461 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.279 about the Cuban Constitution of what it's printed on is a very low quality paper 462 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.640 that makes for a good bathroom tissue. It's not that stiff veloped. It 463 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.920 does at least have some use. Yes, So Walker, what about this? 464 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:37.039 Is this is to pursue Rob's question. Presumably Judge Duncan is done looking 465 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:44.440 for clerks from Stanford Law School. So I guess I have the big firms 466 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:50.960 that recruit from top law schools. Are they alert to this or is it 467 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.720 just going to be half a dozen federal judges who came up through the Federalist 468 00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:00.559 Society who say, actually, if you send me a resume for from Stanford 469 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:05.759 Law School or from Yale Law School, you have a burden to overcome and 470 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.640 demonstrating why I should consider you from my chambers. Well, I can see 471 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:14.720 that. For it seems as though Judge Duncan is going to I've heard that 472 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.079 he's writing a piece in which he's going to explain himself and he may say 473 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:22.720 something like that. But that's a handful of federal judges, now, Clarence 474 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.480 Thomas maybe one of them. I mean, there may be serious figures in 475 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.680 the judiciary who say that's it, We've had enough. But is that enough 476 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:36.480 to make any difference? Does does does the institution have to worry about its 477 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.240 reputation? Will the big firm still just go right on hiring. What do 478 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.039 you think Unfortunately, I mean the answer I think we've seen over the past 479 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.480 five or six years, as things in college campuses have gotten crazier and crazier, 480 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.240 and it hasn't been to firms like it used to be. You know, 481 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.279 you'd say, oh, you know, people get kind of crazy in 482 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.880 college, but you know, once you get to the real world, you 483 00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.200 know, then it you kind of calmed down. But now I've noticed two 484 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:07.839 things. The first is that kids arrive on campus already you know, totally 485 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:15.360 ingrained in this like leftists, you know, anti speech philosophy. A last 486 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.880 year, the two leaders when Mike Pence came to speak on campus, the 487 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.639 two leaders of like the shutdown Mike Pence protest, were both freshmen in college. 488 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.719 These weren't kids that you know, came from their good family and they 489 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.639 came to college and you know, they went crazy. This was these are 490 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:36.800 kids that were already you know, fully like for your convenience, yes, 491 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:38.280 exactly, they're pre crazed. And the other thing is that on the other 492 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.000 side of things, that these law firms, these companies, these corporations that 493 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.440 they're hiring all these students coming out of colleges. And it's not that the 494 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.440 students are changing, it's the companies that are changing. And you can see 495 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.239 that in the various statements that come out. You know, anytime there's some 496 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.079 sort of social issue that, you know, every company feels the need to 497 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:59.639 comment on, you know, how bad things are, you know, how 498 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.320 much they support X group or Y group. So my next National Review column 499 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.840 is about a Yeah, my next National Review column is about an Iowa grocery 500 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.960 store convenience chain that felt compelled to speak out about the Iowa trans bill because 501 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.239 everybody needs to know where the gas station stands on that issue. Can walk 502 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.920 it before you go? What's your major major in computer science? Oh? 503 00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:25.400 Good, something useful? Absolutely? All right, great, fantastic code. 504 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:30.400 Let's listen to a coder. Yeah, and Stanford code has got to be 505 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.639 the most rarefied, special kind of code you can possibly imagine. So that's 506 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.880 that's like, that's cool. Walker. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, James, 507 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.599 I've been stepping in with one last question because they just can't resist. 508 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.800 You have just demonstrated that you think about the world, the issues of the 509 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.480 day. You have demonstrated that you are very articulate. There is an argument 510 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.039 that a young man such as yourself twenty years ago, maybe even ten years 511 00:35:54.079 --> 00:36:02.000 ago, would have gravitated toward classics or an English agree or political science or 512 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.480 history, and instead you're moving right into the technical stuff. Is that because? 513 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.519 Well? Why is that? Just? Why? Well? I think 514 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.599 that it's it's quite unfortunate that, you know, the liberal arts have been 515 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:22.440 completely hollowed out, and especially at Stanford, the class there's a few good 516 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.840 classics courses, a few good history courses. I've taken them and have taken 517 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:30.519 them, but there's just it's kind of few and far between. Unfortunately, 518 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.239 there's you can look up on the Stanford course catalog if you look at the 519 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.719 word queer, you'll find one hundred and fifty different classes about, you know, 520 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.280 various queer topics. Meanwhile, you look up Bible, you look up 521 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.840 like Christ, and there's maybe fifteen. And so that's really what's happened to 522 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:49.800 the university. It's kind of subtle, you know, taking out the courses 523 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:55.559 that are meaningful and inserting pure ideology basically. And five of those classes on 524 00:36:55.639 --> 00:37:00.960 Christ are going to be a deconstructing the head or normative relationship between the Disciples 525 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:07.000 queering John the Baptist, I mean, even though it's fifteen, are completely 526 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.320 safe water. Thanks for joining us today. Good luck, and when you 527 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.559 get a job, make sure to drop babt or you know, go back 528 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.159 to your alma mater and spread the gospel about practicality. Of course. Yeah, 529 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.599 thanks having me only appreciate it nice Walker. Now go go tell everybody 530 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.760 at the Stanford Review to join Ricochet. Yes, there we go, go 531 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:32.239 to a little cross marketing. Walker, all right, take care of I 532 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.400 should talk. You know, I was an English major, so what have 533 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.239 I actually provided? It's a tangible use to the world. But when I 534 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.639 look back in college, even you know, when I went to the college, 535 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.679 the college in late seventies, early eighties, and I was there for 536 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:51.239 a long time, it still had the feeling of we are passing along to 537 00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.559 you Western civilization. And I like that. And I look now at the 538 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.840 purpose which seems to be to deconstruct it and to replace it with all of 539 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.840 these brave and bold and wonderful new ideas that are so much better than the 540 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.440 archaic colonialist, imperialist, etcetera. Isn't soaked stuff we have before? 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Now, this 566 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.079 is a big bill and it's a fifty story office structure, and there's nobody 567 00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.400 in the lobby, there's nobody up in the skywaye level, and there was 568 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.440 just this whining sound that seemed to echo and fill the lobby. Couldn't figure 569 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:06.119 out what it was. I thought, I'm gonna have to ask my buddy, 570 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.199 Colt Luger about this. Is this maintenance guy he goes out for a 571 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.599 smoke. I go out for a cigar sometimes to we bump into each other 572 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.079 and I talk about, you know, how's the building doing. He always 573 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.920 says, well, if you see me running, run with me. He 574 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:21.159 tells me what's broken, what's fixed. It's always you learned something about where 575 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:22.440 you are by talking to the guys who were respond once about for keeping it 576 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:27.119 up. And I thought, I'm gonna have to ask what that wine is. 577 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.480 And when I got upstairs, I realized what it was. It was 578 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:36.480 one of the maintenance people, janitorial people, vacuuming the floor. There was 579 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.480 so little life in this building, so few people, that the sound of 580 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:45.960 one person just pushing an electric vacuum back and forth was the only dominant which 581 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.480 echoed throughout the whole thing and filled it with this great fill the emptiness, 582 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.559 with this empty wine. And I thought that's apt. Now that we are 583 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:58.119 practically at the three year anniversary of the hammer coming down, of the lockdown 584 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.760 coming down, I wrote about this on Ricochet. People can go and read 585 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.360 it if they wish, and then join Ricochet. Please thank you the three 586 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.599 year anniversary about how much came back to life and how much was just broken 587 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.400 for good, snapped for good. And I want to ask you guys, 588 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:13.880 two weeks we kind of figured, all right, we're gonna do this thing 589 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:15.000 for two weeks. We're gonna bunker. We're gonna hunker. We can do 590 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:20.639 it. And I actually kind of enjoyed it, aside from the terrifying prospect 591 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.679 of going outside, which was at first because nobody knew of coming downtown, 592 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:27.800 of crossing the street. When you saw somebody going to the grocery store and 593 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.280 say, oh, lots of protos, that's great. Oh there's no flower, 594 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:31.800 there's no pot. It's a weird time. But I was home, 595 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:37.559 my daughter was home, We had our exchange student, and it had it 596 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:44.559 was an interesting time, and we all bunkered and bunkered and bonded. But 597 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:50.159 when they said another two weeks, that's when something was sundered. That's when 598 00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.960 something was broken. And I don't think we've ever stitched it back. Did 599 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.039 you guys feel the same way? Did you feel when we went from two 600 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.639 weeks to well, we got to keep going, and everything piling on, 601 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:02.559 and the news just getting the ventilators into this, and the eye erected at 602 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.480 the bleach, and the press conferences and the rest of it. Um, 603 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.920 what did you think three years ago? Yeah, it kind of was three 604 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.000 years ago, right, Yeah, it was three It's the anniversary of fouctually 605 00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.639 coming out and making a speech, grinning practically ear to ear about all the 606 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.599 things that they have to do, right Crum sitting there with his chest puffed 607 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.880 out, grinning as well, smiling about what the you know, the lockdowns 608 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.760 or the closing of this and that that burks and other Oh god, right, 609 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:30.880 well, I'm kind of studying this now, so I'm kind of Um, 610 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:35.239 it's interesting that there's a bunch of do we have a bunch of pivot 611 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:39.360 points that we chose as a culture, you know and en mask to have 612 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:45.360 a panic attack? And one of them was, I mean was when we 613 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.079 found out I think I maybe I were talked about this, But like, 614 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:54.360 the most interesting place, um for me in this isn't you know, Washington 615 00:42:54.519 --> 00:43:00.400 or the CDC or Sweden or Italy. It's Santa Clara County. In Santa 616 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.079 Clara County, our own Jay Baticharia was just a study with among other people, 617 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:13.719 and he looked at simply how many people are infected with COVID and what 618 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:20.159 the what the rate of COVID infection was and was enormously high, which sounded 619 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.199 like bad news. So it was good news because the rate of the hospitalization 620 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:28.760 and illness and you know, people's suffering was enormously low, much lower than 621 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:35.679 we expected. And his conclusion was, okay, panic over tideaway's coming. 622 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.800 We now know we're all going to get wet, but we're not all going 623 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.079 to drown. Most of us aren't. A lot of us aren't. And 624 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:45.719 we know the people who we need to protect and we should be protecting them. 625 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:51.239 And that is when, um, you know, either you follow along 626 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.800 and that used to follow that path and you say, okay, that we 627 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:58.480 have we have all the information we need now to run an effective, focused 628 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:04.760 protection plan for the country, or you say the studies rigged. It's no 629 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.719 good. The data is not real, it's not science. It's even a 630 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:14.760 little bit corrupt because a guy who runs an airline gave five thousand dollars to 631 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:19.000 it, so he must have some you know, secret plan to get the 632 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.639 planes flying again, which is what you do when you're having a panic attack. 633 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:28.960 You freak out and you ignore the evidence in front of you. And 634 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.239 then there was one county, so one county. A study of one county 635 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:37.559 had all the answers we really needed. And you know what county had the 636 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:43.679 most Draktonian COVID restrictions and still does in many places. Santa Clair County's the 637 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:51.320 book ends the entire tired nationwide freak out. The answer was right in Santa 638 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.639 Clara County, and they were so unwilling to see it in Santa Clara County 639 00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:00.519 that they I don't think they I think they closed churches for they find churches. 640 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.360 Tens of thousands of dollars would be in Santa Clara County, and they 641 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.840 were thought of during the during the crisis Capital c crisis as being a model 642 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:15.239 county for how restrictive. They were. Um, I mean, you know, 643 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.000 if you look at you wrote this, we'd say, come on too 644 00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.880 on the nose too, this is too perfect, too too symmetrical. Can't 645 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:28.079 be that. But that is exactly what happened. I think the problem with 646 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:32.679 Jay and his cohorts was that they issued their statement from the location of Great 647 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.559 Barrington, which made it sound as though their Barrington Declaration was itself great. 648 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.079 Heres are great terrific, right, but Barrington, if if they've issued it 649 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.960 from the County of Hyde and panic. If they'd said this is the Hyden 650 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:52.280 Panic declaration, the freak out people would have loved it because they thought, 651 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.239 here are more reasons to hide and to panic, and they would have taken 652 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:57.159 all of the advice and say, well, then we have to do this 653 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.639 too many people. I think my wife watched Contage in the movie while we 654 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.000 were in Mexico. She'd never seen it before, and she stunned to see 655 00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.800 exactly how the movie presciently seemingly predicted what would happen. But the fact is 656 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.000 is that so many people had seen the movie Contagion when they started to hear 657 00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.960 about the COVID coming their way in December or January, looked at the movie 658 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:20.719 and behaved as though that was the actual template, as though Laurence Fishburne was 659 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.400 driving this fricking thing instead of the anyway, Peter, you're going to say, 660 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:30.480 well, just first of all, listeners should know why why is Rob 661 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.880 going into this in some details? Because Rob is working on what I'm sure 662 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:40.440 is going to be a brilliant a long form a series, a podcast series 663 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:47.719 on this very subject, and so I can't wait for Rob to do that. 664 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.559 As far as I can recall, Rob, now you've talked to Jay 665 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.599 and you have the details, you have the facts in the front of your 666 00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.519 mind. They're no longer in the front of my mind. But I recall 667 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:05.840 when Jay did that study I think it's called a zero prevalence study. Yes, 668 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.239 zero prevalence study in Santa Clarence. Okay, so the public health authorities 669 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:14.360 back in Washington, we're already announcing we're going to have to shut down, 670 00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.159 We're going to have to mask, we're going to have to close the entire 671 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:22.639 American economy. And Jay said, well, wait a minute, let's see 672 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.920 how bad this is. Let's see how many people are infected. Jay, 673 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:31.440 our friend Jay whose office is just one hundred yards from mine where I sit 674 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.000 right now. And as far as I am aware, Ja Bodicharia, not 675 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:44.599 the NIH, not an ASID or whatever the letters are, none of those 676 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:51.880 huge, multi billion dollar operations back in Washington. But Ja Bodicharia conducted the 677 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.719 first zero prevalence He's the first one who said, well, let's just go 678 00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:59.639 look what the science is. Let's do an empirical study. And then he 679 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:04.719 just covered wait a minute, lots of people have already been infected and that 680 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.519 means two things. One, it's not nearly as deadly as they're telling us 681 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:14.320 back in Washington. Far more people have been infected and had no not shown 682 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:15.800 up in the hospital, had only minor sympits, are none at all. 683 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.639 First of all, this thing isn't that dangerous as dangerous as they're saying. 684 00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:27.079 And second, if this many people have been infected, it's over the horses 685 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.360 out of the barn, shutting down the economy wearing. It's been a ripple 686 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:37.719 the whole country. Anyway, those two findings by they say little Jay Potatari, 687 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.639 He's not little, but it was just his own enterprise, not these 688 00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:49.559 massively funded operations back in Washington on which we rely do this kind of sting. 689 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.440 They just went off on and a power trip. And Jay said, 690 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:57.719 well wait a minute here, I actually have done a study. I've actually 691 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.760 sampled human beings, and we was just not only was he ignored, he 692 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:07.280 was denigrated to ride it. Yeah, I mean it sounded you know the 693 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:13.480 Santa carst that he was about April twenty twenty. April April you say, 694 00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.760 April twenty twenty. April twenty twenty, Okay, I you just have to 695 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.480 ask in California. 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They've been support us 730 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:29.800 for a long time. Um. So anyway, the Great uh Sarah Clark 731 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:34.360 studies about April twenty twenty, Um, Great Barrington by the bye bye just 732 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.880 by the way, it was October that year, so Great Barrington was quite 733 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:42.880 late in the in the crisis, um. And the irony was that Great 734 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:46.159 Barrington was seen as this radical, weird thing um to say and to weigh 735 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.400 out there, when in fact it was you know, October of twenty twenty 736 00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:54.000 where we did have enough information to make those arguments. About a third of 737 00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.920 the things, roughly a third, I think, are the things that people 738 00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:05.480 criticized the the Santa Clara study four. We're legitimate. There were things that 739 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.119 Jay would you know say, yeah, well, obviously it was April, 740 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:13.480 so we didn't have great testing kits. We didn't have um, we didn't 741 00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:16.159 have the technology that we had for testing that we did later. Um, 742 00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:24.719 all that all that taken, the numbers still point in the same direction. 743 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:31.159 It's directionally correct. So the argument should be to the science community, let's 744 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:37.400 not try to Let's not spend all of our time trying to poke holes in 745 00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.719 the Santa Clara study. Let's spend at least half of our time trying to 746 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:45.559 prove it correct. Because if it's correct, that is good news. In 747 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.079 other words, it is good try to try to repeat it, try to 748 00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:54.239 replicate it, and that was not going to happen. So that that just 749 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:59.519 just interesting way you know, these systems work. And the problem really is 750 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.880 that the best news. I mean, I think I was saying this before, 751 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:08.119 but I mean I was playing between maturely that COVID this is good. 752 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:13.880 COVID was good news for us. It was a dry run. I mean, 753 00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.079 if it COVID is something more serious. I mean, but what's interesting 754 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:22.440 that COVID was that everyone who gets it doesn't go to hospital. You can't 755 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.400 really say that about ebola or about you know, the next thing. On 756 00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:30.320 a way, COVID was in many ways a perfect a perfect lesson, and 757 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.960 the lesson shouldn't be we need to stockpile masks, or we need to, 758 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.960 you know, make sure we have hospital boats, although we probably should. 759 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:44.000 The lesson should be we need to not panic and we need to not freak 760 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.880 out. And the people who are tasked with the non panicking and the non 761 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:53.840 freaking out are supposed to be the ones in charge. And it was a 762 00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:58.920 crazy reversal. And I think this is a crazy reversal we're seeing everywhere in 763 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:05.039 our lives now, to be broad a sixty ft view of the bureaucrats and 764 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:14.920 the administrators and the scientists losing their marbles while ordinary people who don't know anything 765 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:21.760 about infectious diseases or how respiratory viruses work, or what the sero positive even 766 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:28.440 means, they somehow knew that this was a mistake what we were doing. 767 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:32.880 They somehow knew. Somehow they knew because they were not seeing what they've seen 768 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:38.280 in the Chinese videos. People roasting on the street, twitching, men walking 769 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.960 down in white suits, hosing down the streets with bleach, which is what 770 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.519 you do if if ebola is abroad in the land. Now, the suffering 771 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.039 and dying went on in the hospitals, in the nursing homes, out of 772 00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.320 sight, so it was limited to the people who were told what had happened 773 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:55.639 because they couldn't go see them. But still, the fact that there was 774 00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:00.599 not this massive collapse of everything told everybody that this is not this is not 775 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.880 this is not the thing in the Omega man that makes everybody clutched their throat 776 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:09.159 and dropped to the ground. And once you had and it wasn't based on 777 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:15.039 science necessarily, it just was based on this sort of mutual just revelation, 778 00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.519 everybody kind of agreed. Oh, because everybody at the start was thinking, 779 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:22.360 we're gonna get this. I don't want to get this. It's gonna be 780 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:23.920 sick, I'm gonna be horrible. But then day after day you would wake 781 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.199 up and you weren't sick. Day after day you would you would go to 782 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.840 the store and see the guys who were working their stocking shelves and running the 783 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.920 cash registers, who are still there. If this was that bad, this 784 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:37.079 grocery store would not be open. This fiction of six feet apart, this 785 00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.840 idea of opening for an hour early to let the elderly in all of these 786 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:45.239 things that you know, these walking around with yardsticks, so we don't no 787 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.800 if it was this bad, this would not be open, none of this 788 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:54.840 would So everything that came to be safety theater TSA idea, TSA mind set 789 00:55:54.880 --> 00:56:00.719 applied to the entire world struck us as bs because obviously this is not doing 790 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.440 anything and we're not going and it's not that bad. So, I mean, 791 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.840 nobody knew by looking at Jay's study, nobody knew by looking at a 792 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.119 paper or something like that. There was just this. We intuited that this 793 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:14.760 was not the end of the world because we'd seen contagion. Then we did 794 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.320 not have the armor down the street from where I work here filled with dead 795 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:22.280 bodies, including Kate Winslet. So no, no, that's absolutely true. 796 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.559 That you're absolutely right. I'm actually looking there is a number. I saw 797 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:29.119 it and I have I'm re searching for it. That has then the rate 798 00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:30.960 of I mean, this is I mean, this is all old news for 799 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:35.480 people, but the rate of infection among the people who worked at you know, 800 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:39.840 grocery stores and drug stores right they were open, they were open for 801 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:47.320 business, you know, necessary whatever they call necessary workers. Um, the 802 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.760 rate of infection for those people compared to everyone else. That my initial research 803 00:56:52.920 --> 00:57:00.079 suggests that it is the same, meaning that the Santa Clara studies vindicated it 804 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.559 was a tidal way. We all got wet, only some of us drowned. 805 00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.880 And have we spent a little bit more time trying to protect the people 806 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:15.119 who were uh gonna be drowned. Um, we might have saved a few. 807 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.320 It's not like if a bullet comes here and they say they stay indoors. 808 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:23.199 If you stay inside your house, you probably won't get ebola, right, 809 00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:25.920 but if you it's not gonna help. You're not gonna have any to 810 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.360 do with your with your your COVID chances. Anyway, any any public health 811 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:37.440 emergency that declares me to be an essential person has got something wrong from it 812 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:39.119 goes all I can say. I had my paper so I could go downtown 813 00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:43.079 to the office and write made up funding human columns. Haha, Well, 814 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.679 we know you gotta go. You're gonna carry on for a few minutes bravely 815 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:47.199 without you. Um, I'll do all the meet up stuff. You don't 816 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:51.880 have to worry about that often New Orleans mid April. I'll be there, 817 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:54.840 are you will? Will you know? I will be Yeah. It doesn't 818 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:58.159 come to Minnesota, but he goes to New Orleans. All right, Rob 819 00:57:58.159 --> 00:57:59.880 will talk to you next week, Peter, and I will sold your on 820 00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:02.440 all you Rob Long fans are. I know you're tuning us off right now, 821 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:07.119 but we're gonna soldier on best as Yeah, there aren't any see you 822 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:13.639 later before we go. Um, there's not some obligation to talk about the 823 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.920 oscars and I could not care less about the oscars? WHOA when? What 824 00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.639 was best picture last year? Do you remember? I don't have a clue. 825 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.559 That's right, neither do I. So we're the worst person, worst 826 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:28.840 people to talk about the oscars, so we won't. However, we are 827 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:36.920 massively entitled credit and credential gel political experts not so we can pick apart perhaps 828 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.920 what De Santa said, I think in a sense you know what De Santa 829 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:46.920 said about Ukraine? Um, I like the guy. I think you may 830 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:52.840 have to politics. We'll see. I'm not particularly upset that he ate putting 831 00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.599 with his fingers, which apparently is the most important thing to a lot of 832 00:58:55.639 --> 00:59:00.519 people right now. Um, I think Amy didn't Aimy clover Shart eat a 833 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.519 salad with a comb or something like that. I don't know, it doesn't 834 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:07.440 matter, but his statements on Ukraine. If you want to say, is 835 00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.599 this a matter of high national interest. You can talk about well, debt, 836 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:16.400 orders, taking care of our people are necessarily more important because those are 837 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.280 the priorities of the government than the government is a year for us in an 838 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.079 ancillary sense, though, you know, we live in a world and you 839 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:29.440 got to deal with what's happening. So I support pretty much what we're doing 840 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.000 with Ukraine. So I'm not really worried about what he said. I'm not 841 00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:36.920 sure he would he would have acted differently than Biden if he were president. 842 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.320 You may have some things to learn about this, but I don't know. 843 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.480 I like the guy, and I support Ukraine, and I just kind of 844 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:45.639 shrugged this one off and kept walking. That seems to me to be the 845 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:51.239 right reaction. He's a working politician. He doesn't know much about foreign policy 846 00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:52.400 yet, He's never been been in a position in which he had to learn 847 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:57.599 about foreign policy. Now he is. He's trying to thread the political needle, 848 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:04.760 meaning he has to eat Trump for the nomination without driving away Donald Trump's 849 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.320 supporters, and that is going to be a trick and a half. That 850 01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:14.360 is what dominates his thinking, not Ukraine. At the same time, it 851 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.840 was disappointing and disappointing, not even at the level of policy. Should we 852 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:25.400 back them? Should he said, a border dispute between Ukraine and Russia should 853 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:31.960 not be a high American priority. It's not a border dispute. She knows 854 01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:39.559 it's not a border dispute. So that Santas Rondo, Santas Yale undergrad, 855 01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:45.800 Harvard Law School, two tours in Navy intelligence, knows better. It's a 856 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:52.559 false step when a smart guy sounds stupid, and he did so. It's 857 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:54.599 a stumble. It's not a fatal wound. It's a stumble. He's learning. 858 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:58.719 We're watching it, We're watching him learn. Everybody gets one of those. 859 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:00.840 I remember Trump blowing a question about the nuclear triad, you know, 860 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:04.599 back in the day or right right. He didn't even had no idea what 861 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.960 it was clear idea. And I remember who would ask him a question about 862 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.920 the goods forces and he was and he thought that he was talking the Iranian 863 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:15.480 goods forces, and he thought he was talking about the Kurds and went off 864 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:17.079 in another direction. It was really angry when he corrected him on it, 865 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.000 like it was a trick. Got your question. It happens. They're going 866 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:22.760 to stumble from time to time. When they get out of the gate what 867 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.519 matters. And you're right, it goes to instincts, and in this case, 868 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:30.760 instincts and knowledge not that you know, not that heartening, but we 869 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.480 got some time to go in some seasoning to do Trump. I think, 870 01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.079 Um, when you talk about Trump supporters alienating them, it's true, you 871 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:40.079 can't. But I think a lot of what Trump is tweeting these days is 872 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:44.800 alienating former Trump supporters, and by supporters, I mean people who voted for 873 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:51.920 him once, probably with maybe you know, not great enthusiasm, and then 874 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.039 the second time voted for him with enthusiasm because they were trying to stick it 875 01:01:55.119 --> 01:02:00.880 to whoever had end up the Russia Gate. Everybody that was coming down on 876 01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:04.199 the response that the people who wanted to foist Biden upon him. So they 877 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:06.519 went in and said, you know, you call me to plorable, healthy, 878 01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:08.079 Yeah, I'm gonna vote for Trump. Take that. Or the people 879 01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:12.400 who were really enthusiastic the first time and a little less so the second, 880 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.840 because you know, they got this and they got that. I mean, 881 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:16.800 so there's all kinds of people who voted for him who would vote for him 882 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:21.760 again if he were not. But the number of enthusiastic people, I think 883 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.199 has declined, and a lot of the people just simply don't want him to 884 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:29.239 run because the trump that's coming out of these you know, everyone says, 885 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.719 well, at least no mean tweets, that's true. But man, the 886 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:37.599 stuff that he posts on true Social can be just eyewateringly inane and just dumb 887 01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:45.000 name calling and weird and cranky. It's like, I this is not the 888 01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:50.039 most intellectually a vivacious opportunity to a choice that we got out there. So 889 01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.679 so no, and I got I've been I've been saving a whole bunch of 890 01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:57.320 them up and there's no reason to read them. But it was. He 891 01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:01.239 was talking about ethanol in one of his one of his truth Social postings about 892 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:06.559 the necessity of alpha ethanol is a huge boondoggle. It's an immense boondoggle for 893 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:07.719 the agricultural industry. We don't need, we don't want it. We don't 894 01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:12.000 want that stuff in our gas tank. So the fact that that De Santus 895 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:14.199 is against it, he's one of those, Oh, I thought, that's 896 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.159 sort of kind of what big government does is it mandates things like ethanol and 897 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:21.440 pours government money into it and forces people to buy it, So you're for 898 01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.639 that? Why exactly? And so forth and so forth and so forth. 899 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:27.760 Anything al Speer in this week that you would like to discuss or should we 900 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.840 just mercifully let the audience get on to going in the comments and telling us 901 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:32.760 where we're wrong about this and wrong about that? Yeah? No, I 902 01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.920 always read the reader comments and learn a lot. What should we watch this 903 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:43.360 weekend? James, we're out of I'm so desperate that my wife went off 904 01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.679 on a scheme trip with a couple of kids. And here's what I found 905 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:53.440 myself watching. I called up Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy nineteen seventy nine version right 906 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:59.639 with Alec Guinness and it's available for free on YouTube. And the pictures a 907 01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.039 little bit grainy, and you have to adjust to the pacing, because boy 908 01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:08.800 did serial television move at a different pace in nineteen seventy nine from the pace 909 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.800 it moves at now. But by the time you're ten minutes into it, 910 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:16.679 you've settled into the pace. And it's just an amazing thing to watch a 911 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:21.960 great actor underplay every It was just an amazing thing. But I thought to 912 01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:27.679 myself, Wow, we're supposed to be in the Golden Age of serial television, 913 01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:30.760 and I can't find anything. So I'm going all the way back to 914 01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.239 nineteen seventy nine. That can't be right. What am I missing? Yeah, 915 01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:36.719 I'm missing nothing. It's all a matter of taste. There are shows 916 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.039 that I've told people to watch that they come back and they put their hands 917 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:42.840 gently around my neck and say, speak no more to me ever again about 918 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.320 anything, because they just hated it so much. Then there are shows that 919 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.440 my daughter will recommend that I will absolutely adore, and my wife will look 920 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.119 at them and she'll roll her eyes so hard backwards that she falls over in 921 01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:54.719 a chair. So it's all a matter of taste, and I'm not going 922 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:57.719 to recommend anything to anybody. I'm finishing up the last of Us with a 923 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.960 diminishing enthusiasm. I'm continuing to watch Hello Tomorrow, which is this wonderful retrovision, 924 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:08.599 retrofuturistic vision of where nineteen fifties the aesthetics and ideas pretty much got locked 925 01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:13.559 in place as we technologically progress to computers and moonshots, and it's it's it's 926 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:19.000 actually just a Willie Loehman salesman story with incredible graphics that are so far up 927 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:24.000 my alleyway that I just think that you know, they were reading my mind 928 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.639 before they made it. And other than that, I have nothing to say 929 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.519 except you listening should go to Ricochet and joined because we're going to be here 930 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.760 for a while. Yes we are, and your membership will help us continue. 931 01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.760 And that's the only place, the only place on the entire Internet, 932 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:39.920 I'm telling you, folks, where you're going to be able to find people 933 01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:44.599 like yourself who enjoy a civil conversation which sometimes gets a little salty and spicy. 934 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:46.559 Yeah, but that's what friends do when they talk. So when I 935 01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:49.480 say we'll see you in the comments at Ricochet four point zero, that suggests 936 01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:53.360 that we haven't gone off the diamond. There's not revisions. No, what 937 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:56.480 I'm gonna say is this week we will see you all in the comments at 938 01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:00.360 Ricochet four point zero. However, first of all to thank Bowl and Branch, 939 01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.199 Youth Switch and Express VPN support them for supporting us. Give us that 940 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:09.559 five star review at Apple, and you know we'll see you in the comments, 941 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:13.519 says I said it Ricochet four point zero, but it won't be four 942 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:19.400 point zero for long. Tune in find out later. See you Peter next 943 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:30.760 week and on that note of intrigue. Next week, James Ricochet joined the conversation