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I will do that after Rob and
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in part in the show. I
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Ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can

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do for your country. Mister gerbatchaf
tear down this wall. Read my lips.

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It's the Ricochet Podcast with Peter Robinson
and Rob Long. I'm James Lilax.

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Today we're just going to talk amongst
ourselves about banking, about this,

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about that, but we got walkers
do it from the Stanford to Review to

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talk about what happened there. So
let's rowsels a podcast. Let me just

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say this to Stanford law students.
I know federal judges at every level saw

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this and has anchored them. It's
going to hurt your clerkship chances. And

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I would say to stanfordt donors,
call Stanford University president and let him know

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that this is unacceptable and you're gonna
pull their funding of this if there are

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not consequences here. Welcome everybody.
This is the Ricochet Podcast, number six

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hundred and thirty four. I'm James
Lilac and absolutely ridiculously frigid Minnesota. Peter

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Robinson is in California. Where I
gathered that it's as usual temperate, moderate

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state and Rob Long is in New
York, which could be cold, could

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be spring, who knows. But
gentlemen, enough of the weather here,

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we are welcome bank news. We
know that Rob is chomping, I'm sorry,

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champing at the bit to talk to
talk. Before this, I was

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saying, you know, none of
us are going to want to talk about

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this bank thing, because what do
we know. All I know is that

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when credits, when Swiss seems to
have trouble, and you're saying the Swiss,

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the Swiss are in trouble, that
maybe I should be paying attention.

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But what can I do? So
Rob, you have something to say bank,

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I would just say this about Credit
Swiss. Credit Swiss is really not

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connected to this at all. Credit
Swiss has been on it's like last legs

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for the past two years. I
have a feeling that it's like when you

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do a bad news dump on a
Friday because you want all the bad news

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out of a weekend. This is
a lot of people are emptying their garbage

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now because they can bury it in
all this news. But I do think

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that we are in a you know, I this will shock you James.

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I am not a banker. I
don't like lots of numbers or nor nor

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arithmetic. But it does seem to
me that, um, that the federal

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government, the Janet Yellen has basically
said, has announced that every single deposit

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in every single bank in America at
any number is now ensured by the federal

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government, which sounds bananas to me. And it's again as a complete perversion

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of what the FDIC was supposed to
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aren't rich from losing their life savings. Now, maybe that maybe two undifty

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thousand dollars is too low, Maybe
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because you know Biden's inflations. Two
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used to be two weeks ago.
It isn't what it used to be.

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But the idea that we're now going
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um, instead of investigating a pre
market solution to this problem is a mistake

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and a mistake that I think it's
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gonna be paying a lot. Well, Peter, you would agree, wouldn't

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you that if the government agrees to
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that would make anybody reckless in any
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by Uncle Sugar. Right. Yeah, Listen, this is tricky for me

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because this town is filled where I
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filled with people who object to the
bailout of Silicon Valley Bank on principle,

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but are just delighted by it in
practice. I know, I must be.

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Half of my friends had my Quican
Valley Bank, and well so did

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Ricochet. Let's be honest, bank, so did Ricochet. Although less our

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listeners get the idea, we would
read the assured limit exactly the city council

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right now as if one hundred million
dollars just went down the shoote No,

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no, no, but yes,
yes, yes, of course that's correct.

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It's if it's a question of if
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of all deposits through the banking system, that does not make the risks go

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away. It places the risks on
the shoulders of the American taxpayer where they

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were not before, and it does
not unleash the magnificent power of the free

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market. If you have if you're
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that's great. I think that's a
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FDIC is useful, right, But
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million, three million, four million, five million dollars in deposits or more,

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which I found bizarre to find out
why a company would have fifteen or

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twenty million doll dollars in cash in
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that's not I'm not the CFO.
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if you do, then you should
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maybe even fiduciarily compelled to purchase private
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reason why you couldn't do that.
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titles insurance. And if you're a
rich person, you should be insuring your

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fancy bank account the way you insure
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And then that would actually unleash insurers
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Valley Bank and say, hey,
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you seem to be kind of exposed
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and then the depositors get the build
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this much more? Maybe I shouldn't
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maybe Silicon Valley bank, and that
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unwind. It's incredibly incredibly foolish positions
in you know, Treasury, and you

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also you mentioned a moment ago exploring
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friends, friends of mine, people
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there was. It felt, it
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was, this is not a panicked
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banking. If you're trying to read
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read its financial statements and you're trying
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the bank is, it's almost impossible
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banks are such complicated institutions. Bill
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Street who was writing about the need
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look, I'm a very sophisticated financial
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statements. David Sacks made a similar
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it turns out there's really only one
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one number, and that number is
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were uninsured. Now that number was
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little tiny bank where I do my
personal banking thought, good lord, there

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may be a run on that bank, and they immediately sent out a note

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to all of their depositors saying,
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the deposits are uninsured. Right,
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one number. Now, of course, a few more numbers, you might

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want a little more information than that. But the notion that it's just impossible

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to judge the risk in a bank
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seems to be just untrue on the
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of information, and I would actually
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how to wire, I don't know
how to look at a wiring plan for

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a house, or look at wires
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or not. I don't know how
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that. I don't know how to
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or not. But I know a
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correct, And they charge me for
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end of the year for risk or
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simply injecting some additional insurance that you
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federal government is saying, we are
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to me to be the ultimate and
perfect solution if you want to hold a

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whole lot of cash in a bank. The alternative is the government pays for

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everything, you pay for you,
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decide we don't. We don't want
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or five big banks. And that
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are arguing before. I think it's
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um, you know, banks are
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you know, rich people, and
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to sound paranoid, but if you're
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if you're a paranoid conservative, you
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much power do these banks have to
defund, d list, uncredit somebody they

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don't like? So yeah, so
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little A lot of smaller banks are
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good large depositors with large cash positions
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market insurance those assures should. There's
the problem right there, rob using those

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words independent, free market, crazy
notions, liberty, and individual decision,

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because those can cause harm at the
end of the day. There can be

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harm when all of those actions do
not have the proper outcome. So what

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we have now is an attitude of
safety ism that says, well, instead

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of having this this crazy pill ma
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world where individual companies can do as
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we just need to know that everything
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make everybody hole and it's it's it's
it's safe. It assures the outcome that

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everybody wants. And yeah, I
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It's always instructive to go to you
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View and you look at any small
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be the bank. You will find
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will find a building that is.
There are two styles. One of them

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is Richardsonian Romanesque. It's on the
corner, it's got squat pillars and it

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says bank and it's chiseled in stone
over the door, and that place is

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long gone. Or there's the second
Farmer's Mutual, which is on Main Street

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with its Roman temples, looking like
an embassy of the Empire. And it

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went down in the Tin panic or
the depression, or when somebody tried to

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corner the flax market or something like
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instinctual desire, the instinctual fear out of

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you know, it's a wonderful life
of the run. The panic in the

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rest of it, of the small
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that sign that we see in this
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will be made whole. But this
is a whole different thing to say above

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two hundred and fifty thousand dollars is
a whole different thing. Yeah, James,

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you're touching out something very important to
my mind. I'm no banker.

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I don't understand in any great detail. We both said the same thing,

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which is less. I don't know, but what you do kind of like

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you do like yeah, well,
I mean here was not a but but

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I scanned a postcard of a holiday
in last night. So yeah, exactly.

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No. So think of those banks, those community banks scattered across the

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Midwest. The nature of agriculture has
changed. Farms and buy and large gotten

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bigger. There's a lot of big
agrib business. Agribusiness of at scale doesn't

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need small banks. But there are
still family farms and the town banker who

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knew the families, who knew who
was responsible and who wasn't, and who

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understood the rhythm and farming. You
borrow, you buy your fertilizer, You

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buy your seed. Who you know
what the market is going buy, You

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place your future sales. You repay
them. People know it, and then

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when it comes time I need an
addition on the house, the banker says,

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no problem, I know you.
I had a banker buddy who used

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to claim plausibly to me that when
he was driving through the middle of the

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country, he'd come to a small
town and it would look as though it

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was just sad. Houses hadn't been
repainted, lawns were being taken care of,

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and two or three towns further along
there'd be a town that looked in

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pretty good shape, and he would
claim you could tell it a glass.

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The difference was the bank The banker
knew his customers and was willing to lend

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to them, and there was a
sense of trust that extended to financial trust

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in the community. I think he's
wrong. I think he's wrong. I'll

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tell you why in a second.
Yere, but he may be right.

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But here's my thought on that.
Harwood, North Dakota, is where my

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family is from. It's a little
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and it's infinitesimal. It's got a
vhu's got a you know, Veterans of

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Foreign Wars Club, it's got a
big elevator, it's got the general stores

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when I was a kid, and
a scattering of houses. It's absolutely tight.

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It's a hamlet, it's a burg, it's nothing. Where's the school,

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Well, the school is down at
the schoolhouse property, which was you

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know, because when they platted out
in North Dakota, they would they would

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reserve room for the schoolhouse. And
even if the schoolhouse had been destroyed thirty

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years before when they consolidated the district, everybody still referred to that land as

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the schoolhouse land. It's funny you
mentioned that. But there was one bank,

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and the bank was built in the
sixties, early sixties. It looked

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like Madmen style international architecture, Mecy
and architecture dropped down in this little North

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Dakota hamlet, tiny but a jewel
box of modernism. Was just beautiful.

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And you're right in that instance,
the guy, the people who ran it

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knew everybody around. They knew how
the crops were doing, they knew what

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the prices were. Hardwood still didn't
prosper until they became a bedroom community of

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Fargo. But you're right, they
had a band and just the fact that

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the only modern thing that had been
built in fifty sixty years in this tiny,

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little non existent town was this beautiful
little bank I always found fascinating.

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But the reason that some towns look
bad and other towns look better maybe the

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banker. It's also because those towns
were founded on the distance of horses,

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how far you had to get from
them from the farm to the place where

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you bought your stuff. And then
cars come along, and the cars shorten

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the distances, so about every every
third town prospers and the other towns don't.

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And the one that has the little
nucleus of business downtown, that that

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one hung on and the rest of
them withered a bit. And I think

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it more has more to do with
automobile and distance and where the farmer goes

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on Saturday to get his feed in
his shoes. But that's you know,

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that's maybe everybody looks at it from
their own particular angle and seas you know,

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I, I know, we got
to move on, but this is

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actually stuffing. I've never asked James
about it. I've kind of always wanted

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to, And I know we're sort
of far afield on the idea of banks.

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But I think in general this comes
unto the heading we all think,

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or we think or I think,
whatever that multiple banks good, a few

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money center banks bad, federal deposit
insurance for the small deposit or whatever we

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wanted. We can define that up
if we want to, But you know,

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not zillionaires seems good. UM,
And anything above that this comes up

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has cast either those people either have
to find other ways or they lose their

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money. That's what happens in capitalism. UM. Losing your money is something

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that happens. UM. Okay,
so that but because we're talking about the

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actual physical banks. When I was
in college, I was studying architecture.

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One of the most beautiful, the
most beautiful kind of UM, a genre

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of architecture we study were, of
course Midwestern banks, and the most beautiful

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ones were made or designed by an
architect named Louise Sullivan. And you're still

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around and I haven't. I've never
seen one in perpose in person, but

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I assume that James has. And
I want James to tell me if there

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is beautiful in person, And they
are they and they are as like extraordinary

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like works of art, but also
works of like a symbol, symbolism,

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like you can trust this place and
it's there, and they're kind of they're

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they're not classical they're not like,
they're not you know, they don't like

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but they seem real right, yeah, utter and total break with with with

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American architectural norms. And it's not
just Sullivan elmously. There's a whole bunch

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of guys who were working in the
Prairie School and the Sullivan School who farmed

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out over the Midwest and made a
whole bunch of little banks, not a

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lot, but enough so that you
are surprised when you find one, or

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you make a trip to go see
one, and they are gorgeous. They're

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square, they have none of the
classical ornamentation. They're broadly new in an

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American way. They have this organic
style of decoration that that nobody had done

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before that Sullivan came up with,
which is appropriately called Sullivan esque. And

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what it says is this is a
progressive place. This looks forward. This

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place has made an utter right from
the past. Now, whether or not

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that actually sends the message you want
to send, I don't know. Because

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if you're the farmer coming into town, do you want the one with the

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pillars? Because the pillars are a
Roman and they go back two thousand years

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and all the big banks in New
York have the pillars or do you want

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the one that looks like this efflorescence
of new ideas? What are they doing

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in there? Who are they giving
my money to? So while we love

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them for their esthetic appeal, I
just wonder whether they're not a lot of

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farmers and said, that's the craziest, ugliest looking thing I ever saw.

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I put my money in this place
over here? What got the pillars and

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the Corinthian leaves at the top.
So I think the farmers like the Louis

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Sullivan Bank. That's what I think
it could have been because it was organic.

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It could have been because a lot
of the farmers were progressive in the

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sense that they joined movements that had
co ops. And in the rest of

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it. The idea that they're all
bid bound folks ain't so. But we

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can inclosing. In closing, we
can agree I don't know whether it's every

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third town that still needed these up. Fine, I take that point.

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That's an interesting point. But in
closing, we can agree that we'd rather

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have the community banker in the Louis
Sullivan Bank, if even only half of

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those dozen of them needed anymore.
In North Dakota, we'd rather have that,

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than have farmers have to deal with
JP Morgan Chase, Yes, and

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have the local rep in North Dakota
always looking over his shoulder in Manhattan.

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We really don't want that, do
we. And right, and I'll tell

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you something else. And at least
in those days, you could go down

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to the bank. You got out
your bank book, your little passport,

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you know, your passbook savings,
you dealt with somebody at the at the

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teller cage that you may know when
you sat down with a banker and he

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opened up the stuff and you wrote
down some numbers. You weren't looking over

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your shoulder because you thought somebody who
was going to steal all your information and

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take and drain your account, which
is what it feels like sometimes when you're

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banking online. I got to huddle
around my laptop and throw up all kinds

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of walls in case nobody gets me
and seize my precious numbers. Oh no,

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that's why you know. You don't
want to be exposed. Your information

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doesn't want to be exposed. And
sometimes it feels like using the internet is

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just like leaving your laptop exposed and
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fantastic, Yes, I just yeah, yeah, you wouldn't leave your laptop

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you got to go to the can. Could you watch my computer?

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You'll be fine, You'll be fine. But what if you come out one

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Well, every time you connect to an

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so forth. And I'm gonna amaze
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And now we welcome to the podcast Walker

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Stewart, editor of the Stanford Review
and member of the University's College Republicans.

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And you're thinking, oh, was
he there? Bus you dere Charlotte Walker.

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Thanks for joining us today. Of
course, everybody's talking about what happened

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at Stanford Law, appalling as it
was. Bring us up to date,

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you know, tell us what happened
and then bring us up to date.

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Sure, yeah, thank you for
having me on. So last week one

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of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals
I was scheduled. The Federal Society invited

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him to give a talk on COVID
uns and Twitter. You know, altogether

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kind of innocuous topics important but not
exactly point and basically the like some campus

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activists didn't like that. I think
he didn't give proper deference to transgender ideology

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in one of his opinions last year, and the activists at Stanford Law School

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did not like that and decided basically
too And we can discuss this more collude

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with administration to shut down Judge Duncan's
talk. And so last Thursday he was

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like, he came to give his
talk, he was being heckled and shouted

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at, and then the diversity an
inclusion dean of the law school came up

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and gave a pre prepared speech,
after which the event was completely shut down.

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And so that kind of gets to
update on what happened last Thursday.

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But it was a complete violation of
any sort of university norm surrounding free speech.

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And yet nobody's been pun to,
nobody's been disciplined. Eight days later,

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just to review the central points,
it's Judge Kyle Duncan, federal judge.

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Big deal if you're a law school
student to hear a federal judge speak

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Fourth Circuit. And it's not as
if he said something controversial during his talk.

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It's that he wrote in an opinion
that certain law school students found controversial.

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They never even permitted him to start
his talk. Is that correct?

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Yes, he was heckled the entire
time he was trying to speak, to

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the point that he asked for an
administrator to speak to the students trying to

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calm things down. That administrator was
ended up being Dean Steinbeck, who basically

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to shut down to talk after the
other thing about which I want to be

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very clear is that, and which
I'm not clear, You said student activists.

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So these were students who came from
outside the law school, Stanford students,

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but they came from outside of the
law school, or these were students

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at they were lost students who heckled
him. So my understanding is that it

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was primarily law school students that were
the ones heckling Judge Duncan. There could

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have been, you know, an
undergrad or business school students slipped in there,

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but you know, generally it was
undergrad rescued to his law students.

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Okay, And what's happened since then? There was an apology tell us about

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that, ya. So Stanford released
an apology where they had basically said what

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happened was inconsistent with our policies,
and we're taking steps to ensure that something

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like this doesn't happen again. What
steps they've actually taken? And that letter

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was signed, the letter was signed
by the president of the university and the

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dean of the law school. Correct, yes, yes, that's correct,

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Okay, And then what and the
response to that letter has been so on

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Monday, so the dean of the
law school every week she teaches a sixty

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person seminar on Mondays. And this
past Monday, fifty out of the sixty

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students in her seminar wore black man
asks in protest of her apology letter.

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And so what that's saying is that
you know, eighty three percent of you

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know her. The people in this
Dean Martinis's class were in support of shutting

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down Kyle Duncan's talk, which is
truly remarkable. And they thought the outrage

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was not that a federal judge had
been refused the opportunity to speak at Stanford

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Law School. The outrage was that
the dean of the law school had apologized

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to the federal judge that he had
not been permitted to speak. Correct,

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all right, yeah, their movement
was on. You know, where is

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his apology referring to an incident last
year where my understanding was that there was

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a law student that was trying to
docs members of the Federal Society and ended

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up getting in trouble with the administration
and that was one of their like these

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activists rallying cards, rallying cries.
After was no oh, the university apologized

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to Judge Duncan, but they didn't
to the student who is behaving badly last

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year. I have one last question
before I remand you to Rob and James,

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who are going to ask you about
what it all means. I will

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be listening intently. And the last
question is this, in Stanford Law School,

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we are discussing an institution which regularly, I mean year in and year

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out, ranks among the top five
law schools in the country. Is that

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correct? Yeah, it's typically right
number three in the world law school Dale,

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Harvard, Chicago, Stanford's. It's
a group right at the tippy top,

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year after year, right, right, Judge Duncan. I mean when

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I read it the first I was
in between cycles, so I read the

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thing that I had a news after
the disastrous appearance and before the apology,

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part of what their argument was was
that he was a jerk, right,

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that he was a jerk to the
students who were protesting. I mean,

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the protesters are. It was like
we were protesting and disrupting his speech and

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he was a jerk to us and
told us to shut up. Some version

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of that. He was rude and
that is true, right, I mean,

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that's that is kind of true.
He was sort of rude and kind

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of a jerk. And later when
they called him on it, someone reporter,

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he said, yeah, they were
trying to shut him. Yeah.

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I don't apologize for telling people that
are talking over me to shut up and

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they're stupid. I'm just just just
watching the goalpost move, right. So

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it starts with he is no,
he should not be allowed to speak here,

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and then the official Standford position is, well, he is allowed to

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speak here, and you're also allowed
to protest his appearance outside the hall where

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he was speaking, and then the
protest. Then the goalpost moved to and

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he's not allowed to be a jerk. If you interrupt him, he's got

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to be meek and polite and shut
his mouth and take it. And then

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the goalpost moves the third time too, and the dean of the law school

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can't make a statement in which she
reaffirms the basic you know, I would

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I would think the most Anna Dyne
boilerplate law school belief, which is that

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speech should be protected and everyone has
a right to be heard. So the

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goalpost now has moved from he's a
jerk because he's he's conservative too, he's

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a jerk because he was rude to
the kids who were screaming at him,

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to the dean of the law school
has got to be removed. So my

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question to you is this, They
can't remove the federal judge, but they

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can probably get rid of her right. They can probably get rid of the

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can they? I mean, I
guess them. What are her like if

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you were like putting a bulls eye
on her back? How big is that

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bulls eye? How much? There
are two deans in question here. Rob

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One is yeah, I mean the
D I D. I mean the Deana

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law Sah, I mean I think
she probably a D. Martinez is probably

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fine. I think that really with
we've seen with the university president in the

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provost, especially where really what these
activists want isn't necessary to get the person

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fired. But They want the person
to be scared and to take their side

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again the next time. And that's
really actually if you read the piece that

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one of our writers put out in
The Stanford Review two days ago about how

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Dean Steinbeck actually in January she was
moderating a panel with about free speech with

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a sort of judge that the Federalist
Society had invited, and a lot of

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these student activists were very dissatisfied with
her for being too accommodating to that conservative,

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right leaning speech. And that is
really what we think motivated Dean Steinbeck

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to end up being behaving so poorly
last week was that she needed to sort

408
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,000
of get back in the good graces
of the law school activists at Stanford Walker.

409
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:59,160
The Stanford Review is online. Listeners
can read about this online, Yes

410
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,279
they can. Yes, It is
our most recent article about how the entire

411
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,839
event last Thursday was premeditated. The
Dean knew about it, other administrators knew

412
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,519
about it, the students knew about
it. They were all working together into

413
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,640
hoots to shut judge Duncan just google
on Stanford Review and it'll pop up.

414
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,079
Yes, got it? Okay,
Sorry, Rob, I got I know.

415
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,599
James Watson and I got one more. So my my my usual posture,

416
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,440
right when I hear about stuff like
this, of course we hear about

417
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,960
stuff like this every couple of weeks, is to sort of shrug and say,

418
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,079
look, you know, what's probably
you know, I mean, yes,

419
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,000
it's terrible, it's terrible. But
in all these schools, it's like,

420
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:44,200
you know, twenty loudmouth pains in
the ass, and everybody else has

421
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,799
got their heads down, just wants
to go to class and get the law

422
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,680
degree and then go or get a
you know, Sullivan and Cromwell and make

423
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,599
a billion dollars. Most people are
just kind of like, yeah, whatever,

424
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:57,200
man, just keep it down.
I gotta do some reading. Um.

425
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,759
And that's what that is. A
lullah bay I think I'm telling myself,

426
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,400
But then you tell me no,
no, no, no. Eighty

427
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:10,200
percent of her class showed up wearing
masks and like whatever, like blindfolds or

428
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:18,279
something. This is not a few
troublemaking loud mouths, a little babies,

429
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,920
emotional babies at Stanford Law. This
is the student body of the Stanford Law

430
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,519
School. So am I full of
it? When I like say, oh,

431
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,880
come on, you're absolutely not.
I mean, it's or when you

432
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,400
say, come on, like,
it's only a couple of people like these

433
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,559
are like fifty of the students in
our class. It wasn't like a passive

434
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,799
action they took. They actively went
out, they got their masks, they

435
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:47,359
got there like little signs. There
people protesting outside of the classes, mind

436
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,640
you, like a seminar on some
legal topic. I think it's like property

437
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:55,359
You are something kind of obscure that
people, these students made an active choice

438
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:57,880
to protest. The other thing on
note is that these are not like,

439
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,240
you know, nineteen year old immature
little kids. These people are twenty four,

440
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,720
twenty five years old behaving this way. And that's what I think is

441
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,920
most remarkable. And not to say
that they can't protest, but the fact

442
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,920
that they're choosing to do so,
I can still say is absurd. It's

443
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,880
odd that they think that somehow manifesting
this behavior is not going to affect their

444
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,039
employment in the future, that when
somebody does little Google search on them or

445
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,519
whatever looks for their face, it
looks what they do say, Oh,

446
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:22,839
this is a person who causes an
awful lot of trouble. I don't want

447
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,519
this person bringing this set of values
to our office because they're just going to

448
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,839
be difficult and there are other people
to bring. But it makes me wonder

449
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,640
is there a code of conduct that
students are required to sign. We know

450
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,279
that it's like the license agreement on
your iPhone or any software. You simply

451
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:40,880
scrolled at the bottom and tap.
I agree, But is there anything that

452
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,160
says thou shalt not exercise the Heckler's
veto? I mean, of course wouldn't

453
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,559
say that, but is there anything
that says we expect you to behave?

454
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,319
So? I would say there is, but it's about as valuable as the

455
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,559
Cuban Constitution in that it's not worth
the paper that it's printed on because it's

456
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,240
not at all enforced. And so
there's all sorts of great promises that we

457
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,880
make as students in the university makes
to us, but when push comes to

458
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,759
shove, there's zero enforcement. And
so you know, yeah, we sign

459
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,519
saying we're going to behave in well
in the university says they make their promises

460
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,000
to us, but it doesn't actually
in practice mean anything. The great thing

461
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,279
about the Cuban Constitution of what it's
printed on is a very low quality paper

462
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,640
that makes for a good bathroom tissue. It's not that stiff veloped. It

463
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,920
does at least have some use.
Yes, So Walker, what about this?

464
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:37,039
Is this is to pursue Rob's question. Presumably Judge Duncan is done looking

465
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:44,440
for clerks from Stanford Law School.
So I guess I have the big firms

466
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:50,960
that recruit from top law schools.
Are they alert to this or is it

467
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,720
just going to be half a dozen
federal judges who came up through the Federalist

468
00:32:54,799 --> 00:33:00,559
Society who say, actually, if
you send me a resume for from Stanford

469
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,759
Law School or from Yale Law School, you have a burden to overcome and

470
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,640
demonstrating why I should consider you from
my chambers. Well, I can see

471
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:14,720
that. For it seems as though
Judge Duncan is going to I've heard that

472
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,079
he's writing a piece in which he's
going to explain himself and he may say

473
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,720
something like that. But that's a
handful of federal judges, now, Clarence

474
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:27,480
Thomas maybe one of them. I
mean, there may be serious figures in

475
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,680
the judiciary who say that's it,
We've had enough. But is that enough

476
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,480
to make any difference? Does does
does the institution have to worry about its

477
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:40,240
reputation? Will the big firm still
just go right on hiring. What do

478
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,039
you think Unfortunately, I mean the
answer I think we've seen over the past

479
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,480
five or six years, as things
in college campuses have gotten crazier and crazier,

480
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,240
and it hasn't been to firms like
it used to be. You know,

481
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,279
you'd say, oh, you know, people get kind of crazy in

482
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,880
college, but you know, once
you get to the real world, you

483
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,200
know, then it you kind of
calmed down. But now I've noticed two

484
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:07,839
things. The first is that kids
arrive on campus already you know, totally

485
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:15,360
ingrained in this like leftists, you
know, anti speech philosophy. A last

486
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,880
year, the two leaders when Mike
Pence came to speak on campus, the

487
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,639
two leaders of like the shutdown Mike
Pence protest, were both freshmen in college.

488
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,719
These weren't kids that you know,
came from their good family and they

489
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,639
came to college and you know,
they went crazy. This was these are

490
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,800
kids that were already you know,
fully like for your convenience, yes,

491
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,280
exactly, they're pre crazed. And
the other thing is that on the other

492
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,000
side of things, that these law
firms, these companies, these corporations that

493
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,440
they're hiring all these students coming out
of colleges. And it's not that the

494
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:49,440
students are changing, it's the companies
that are changing. And you can see

495
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,239
that in the various statements that come
out. You know, anytime there's some

496
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,079
sort of social issue that, you
know, every company feels the need to

497
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:59,639
comment on, you know, how
bad things are, you know, how

498
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,320
much they support X group or Y
group. So my next National Review column

499
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,840
is about a Yeah, my next
National Review column is about an Iowa grocery

500
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,960
store convenience chain that felt compelled to
speak out about the Iowa trans bill because

501
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,239
everybody needs to know where the gas
station stands on that issue. Can walk

502
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,920
it before you go? What's your
major major in computer science? Oh?

503
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:25,400
Good, something useful? Absolutely?
All right, great, fantastic code.

504
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:30,400
Let's listen to a coder. Yeah, and Stanford code has got to be

505
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,639
the most rarefied, special kind of
code you can possibly imagine. So that's

506
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,880
that's like, that's cool. Walker. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, James,

507
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,599
I've been stepping in with one last
question because they just can't resist.

508
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,800
You have just demonstrated that you think
about the world, the issues of the

509
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,480
day. You have demonstrated that you
are very articulate. There is an argument

510
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:54,039
that a young man such as yourself
twenty years ago, maybe even ten years

511
00:35:54,079 --> 00:36:02,000
ago, would have gravitated toward classics
or an English agree or political science or

512
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:07,480
history, and instead you're moving right
into the technical stuff. Is that because?

513
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,519
Well? Why is that? Just? Why? Well? I think

514
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,599
that it's it's quite unfortunate that,
you know, the liberal arts have been

515
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:22,440
completely hollowed out, and especially at
Stanford, the class there's a few good

516
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:24,840
classics courses, a few good history
courses. I've taken them and have taken

517
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,519
them, but there's just it's kind
of few and far between. Unfortunately,

518
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:34,239
there's you can look up on the
Stanford course catalog if you look at the

519
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,719
word queer, you'll find one hundred
and fifty different classes about, you know,

520
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,280
various queer topics. Meanwhile, you
look up Bible, you look up

521
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,840
like Christ, and there's maybe fifteen. And so that's really what's happened to

522
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,800
the university. It's kind of subtle, you know, taking out the courses

523
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,559
that are meaningful and inserting pure ideology
basically. And five of those classes on

524
00:36:55,639 --> 00:37:00,960
Christ are going to be a deconstructing
the head or normative relationship between the Disciples

525
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:07,000
queering John the Baptist, I mean, even though it's fifteen, are completely

526
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:10,320
safe water. Thanks for joining us
today. Good luck, and when you

527
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,559
get a job, make sure to
drop babt or you know, go back

528
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,159
to your alma mater and spread the
gospel about practicality. Of course. Yeah,

529
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:22,599
thanks having me only appreciate it nice
Walker. Now go go tell everybody

530
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,760
at the Stanford Review to join Ricochet. Yes, there we go, go

531
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:32,239
to a little cross marketing. Walker, all right, take care of I

532
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,400
should talk. You know, I
was an English major, so what have

533
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,239
I actually provided? It's a tangible
use to the world. But when I

534
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,639
look back in college, even you
know, when I went to the college,

535
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,679
the college in late seventies, early
eighties, and I was there for

536
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:51,239
a long time, it still had
the feeling of we are passing along to

537
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,559
you Western civilization. And I like
that. And I look now at the

538
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:58,840
purpose which seems to be to deconstruct
it and to replace it with all of

539
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,840
these brave and bold and wonderful new
ideas that are so much better than the

540
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:07,440
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Isn't soaked stuff we have before? I

541
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:12,119
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my world is gone. But the question

542
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this the Ricochet Podcast. Now in
the background, I don't know if you

563
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:44,679
guys can hear it, but there's
a siren, which is nice indicates that

564
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,599
there's actually some life downtown. I
was walking in the lobby today and I

565
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,639
heard this high pitched wine sound that
I could not place. Now, this

566
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,079
is a big bill and it's a
fifty story office structure, and there's nobody

567
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,400
in the lobby, there's nobody up
in the skywaye level, and there was

568
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,440
just this whining sound that seemed to
echo and fill the lobby. Couldn't figure

569
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,119
out what it was. I thought, I'm gonna have to ask my buddy,

570
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,199
Colt Luger about this. Is this
maintenance guy he goes out for a

571
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,599
smoke. I go out for a
cigar sometimes to we bump into each other

572
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,079
and I talk about, you know, how's the building doing. He always

573
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,920
says, well, if you see
me running, run with me. He

574
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,159
tells me what's broken, what's fixed. It's always you learned something about where

575
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:22,440
you are by talking to the guys
who were respond once about for keeping it

576
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:27,119
up. And I thought, I'm
gonna have to ask what that wine is.

577
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,480
And when I got upstairs, I
realized what it was. It was

578
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:36,480
one of the maintenance people, janitorial
people, vacuuming the floor. There was

579
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,480
so little life in this building,
so few people, that the sound of

580
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:45,960
one person just pushing an electric vacuum
back and forth was the only dominant which

581
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:49,480
echoed throughout the whole thing and filled
it with this great fill the emptiness,

582
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,559
with this empty wine. And I
thought that's apt. Now that we are

583
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,119
practically at the three year anniversary of
the hammer coming down, of the lockdown

584
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,760
coming down, I wrote about this
on Ricochet. People can go and read

585
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,360
it if they wish, and then
join Ricochet. Please thank you the three

586
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,599
year anniversary about how much came back
to life and how much was just broken

587
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:09,400
for good, snapped for good.
And I want to ask you guys,

588
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,880
two weeks we kind of figured,
all right, we're gonna do this thing

589
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,000
for two weeks. We're gonna bunker. We're gonna hunker. We can do

590
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:20,639
it. And I actually kind of
enjoyed it, aside from the terrifying prospect

591
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,679
of going outside, which was at
first because nobody knew of coming downtown,

592
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,800
of crossing the street. When you
saw somebody going to the grocery store and

593
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,280
say, oh, lots of protos, that's great. Oh there's no flower,

594
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,800
there's no pot. It's a weird
time. But I was home,

595
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:37,559
my daughter was home, We had
our exchange student, and it had it

596
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:44,559
was an interesting time, and we
all bunkered and bunkered and bonded. But

597
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:50,159
when they said another two weeks,
that's when something was sundered. That's when

598
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,960
something was broken. And I don't
think we've ever stitched it back. Did

599
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,039
you guys feel the same way?
Did you feel when we went from two

600
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,639
weeks to well, we got to
keep going, and everything piling on,

601
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,559
and the news just getting the ventilators
into this, and the eye erected at

602
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:06,480
the bleach, and the press conferences
and the rest of it. Um,

603
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,920
what did you think three years ago? Yeah, it kind of was three

604
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000
years ago, right, Yeah,
it was three It's the anniversary of fouctually

605
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:16,639
coming out and making a speech,
grinning practically ear to ear about all the

606
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,599
things that they have to do,
right Crum sitting there with his chest puffed

607
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,880
out, grinning as well, smiling
about what the you know, the lockdowns

608
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,760
or the closing of this and that
that burks and other Oh god, right,

609
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,880
well, I'm kind of studying this
now, so I'm kind of Um,

610
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:35,239
it's interesting that there's a bunch of
do we have a bunch of pivot

611
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,360
points that we chose as a culture, you know and en mask to have

612
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,360
a panic attack? And one of
them was, I mean was when we

613
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,079
found out I think I maybe I
were talked about this, But like,

614
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,360
the most interesting place, um for
me in this isn't you know, Washington

615
00:42:54,519 --> 00:43:00,400
or the CDC or Sweden or Italy. It's Santa Clara County. In Santa

616
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,079
Clara County, our own Jay Baticharia
was just a study with among other people,

617
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:13,719
and he looked at simply how many
people are infected with COVID and what

618
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:20,159
the what the rate of COVID infection
was and was enormously high, which sounded

619
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:22,199
like bad news. So it was
good news because the rate of the hospitalization

620
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:28,760
and illness and you know, people's
suffering was enormously low, much lower than

621
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:35,679
we expected. And his conclusion was, okay, panic over tideaway's coming.

622
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,800
We now know we're all going to
get wet, but we're not all going

623
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,079
to drown. Most of us aren't. A lot of us aren't. And

624
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:45,719
we know the people who we need
to protect and we should be protecting them.

625
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,239
And that is when, um,
you know, either you follow along

626
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,800
and that used to follow that path
and you say, okay, that we

627
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,480
have we have all the information we
need now to run an effective, focused

628
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:04,760
protection plan for the country, or
you say the studies rigged. It's no

629
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,719
good. The data is not real, it's not science. It's even a

630
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,760
little bit corrupt because a guy who
runs an airline gave five thousand dollars to

631
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,000
it, so he must have some
you know, secret plan to get the

632
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:22,639
planes flying again, which is what
you do when you're having a panic attack.

633
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:28,960
You freak out and you ignore the
evidence in front of you. And

634
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:32,239
then there was one county, so
one county. A study of one county

635
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,559
had all the answers we really needed. And you know what county had the

636
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:43,679
most Draktonian COVID restrictions and still does
in many places. Santa Clair County's the

637
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:51,320
book ends the entire tired nationwide freak
out. The answer was right in Santa

638
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,639
Clara County, and they were so
unwilling to see it in Santa Clara County

639
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,519
that they I don't think they I
think they closed churches for they find churches.

640
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:04,360
Tens of thousands of dollars would be
in Santa Clara County, and they

641
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,840
were thought of during the during the
crisis Capital c crisis as being a model

642
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:15,239
county for how restrictive. They were. Um, I mean, you know,

643
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,000
if you look at you wrote this, we'd say, come on too

644
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:22,880
on the nose too, this is
too perfect, too too symmetrical. Can't

645
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,079
be that. But that is exactly
what happened. I think the problem with

646
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,679
Jay and his cohorts was that they
issued their statement from the location of Great

647
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,559
Barrington, which made it sound as
though their Barrington Declaration was itself great.

648
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,079
Heres are great terrific, right,
but Barrington, if if they've issued it

649
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,960
from the County of Hyde and panic. If they'd said this is the Hyden

650
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:52,280
Panic declaration, the freak out people
would have loved it because they thought,

651
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,239
here are more reasons to hide and
to panic, and they would have taken

652
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,159
all of the advice and say,
well, then we have to do this

653
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,639
too many people. I think my
wife watched Contage in the movie while we

654
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,000
were in Mexico. She'd never seen
it before, and she stunned to see

655
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,800
exactly how the movie presciently seemingly predicted
what would happen. But the fact is

656
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,000
is that so many people had seen
the movie Contagion when they started to hear

657
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:15,960
about the COVID coming their way in
December or January, looked at the movie

658
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,719
and behaved as though that was the
actual template, as though Laurence Fishburne was

659
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,400
driving this fricking thing instead of the
anyway, Peter, you're going to say,

660
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:30,480
well, just first of all,
listeners should know why why is Rob

661
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,880
going into this in some details?
Because Rob is working on what I'm sure

662
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:40,440
is going to be a brilliant a
long form a series, a podcast series

663
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:47,719
on this very subject, and so
I can't wait for Rob to do that.

664
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,559
As far as I can recall,
Rob, now you've talked to Jay

665
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,599
and you have the details, you
have the facts in the front of your

666
00:46:55,639 --> 00:47:00,519
mind. They're no longer in the
front of my mind. But I recall

667
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,840
when Jay did that study I think
it's called a zero prevalence study. Yes,

668
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:09,239
zero prevalence study in Santa Clarence.
Okay, so the public health authorities

669
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:14,360
back in Washington, we're already announcing
we're going to have to shut down,

670
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,159
We're going to have to mask,
we're going to have to close the entire

671
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:22,639
American economy. And Jay said,
well, wait a minute, let's see

672
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,920
how bad this is. Let's see
how many people are infected. Jay,

673
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,440
our friend Jay whose office is just
one hundred yards from mine where I sit

674
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:37,000
right now. And as far as
I am aware, Ja Bodicharia, not

675
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:44,599
the NIH, not an ASID or
whatever the letters are, none of those

676
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:51,880
huge, multi billion dollar operations back
in Washington. But Ja Bodicharia conducted the

677
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,719
first zero prevalence He's the first one
who said, well, let's just go

678
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:59,639
look what the science is. Let's
do an empirical study. And then he

679
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,719
just covered wait a minute, lots
of people have already been infected and that

680
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,519
means two things. One, it's
not nearly as deadly as they're telling us

681
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:14,320
back in Washington. Far more people
have been infected and had no not shown

682
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,800
up in the hospital, had only
minor sympits, are none at all.

683
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:20,639
First of all, this thing isn't
that dangerous as dangerous as they're saying.

684
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,079
And second, if this many people
have been infected, it's over the horses

685
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,360
out of the barn, shutting down
the economy wearing. It's been a ripple

686
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:37,719
the whole country. Anyway, those
two findings by they say little Jay Potatari,

687
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,639
He's not little, but it was
just his own enterprise, not these

688
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:49,559
massively funded operations back in Washington on
which we rely do this kind of sting.

689
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,440
They just went off on and a
power trip. And Jay said,

690
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,719
well wait a minute here, I
actually have done a study. I've actually

691
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,760
sampled human beings, and we was
just not only was he ignored, he

692
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:07,280
was denigrated to ride it. Yeah, I mean it sounded you know the

693
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:13,480
Santa carst that he was about April
twenty twenty. April April you say,

694
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:15,760
April twenty twenty. April twenty twenty, Okay, I you just have to

695
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,480
ask in California. What's the weather
like in April? Is it really getting

696
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:22,119
sprink is here? We think it's
going to be spring, but it's not.

697
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It's just it's just the it's the
absolute worst. We think it's going

698
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to be nice, but we know
at least in April that warmer weather is

699
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,960
ahead. Yeah, in Minnesota,
in April it's cold. In May it

700
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Why well, I got a heat and

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Anyway, Sorry, I Rob,
I interrupted you. April. I'm

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glad you did welland Branch they're they're
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730
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for a long time. Um.
So anyway, the Great uh Sarah Clark

731
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,360
studies about April twenty twenty, Um, Great Barrington by the bye bye just

732
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,880
by the way, it was October
that year, so Great Barrington was quite

733
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,880
late in the in the crisis,
um. And the irony was that Great

734
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,159
Barrington was seen as this radical,
weird thing um to say and to weigh

735
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:50,400
out there, when in fact it
was you know, October of twenty twenty

736
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,000
where we did have enough information to
make those arguments. About a third of

737
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:57,920
the things, roughly a third,
I think, are the things that people

738
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:05,480
criticized the the Santa Clara study four. We're legitimate. There were things that

739
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,119
Jay would you know say, yeah, well, obviously it was April,

740
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:13,480
so we didn't have great testing kits. We didn't have um, we didn't

741
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,159
have the technology that we had for
testing that we did later. Um,

742
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:24,719
all that all that taken, the
numbers still point in the same direction.

743
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:31,159
It's directionally correct. So the argument
should be to the science community, let's

744
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:37,400
not try to Let's not spend all
of our time trying to poke holes in

745
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:40,719
the Santa Clara study. Let's spend
at least half of our time trying to

746
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,559
prove it correct. Because if it's
correct, that is good news. In

747
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:47,079
other words, it is good try
to try to repeat it, try to

748
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:54,239
replicate it, and that was not
going to happen. So that that just

749
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:59,519
just interesting way you know, these
systems work. And the problem really is

750
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,880
that the best news. I mean, I think I was saying this before,

751
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,119
but I mean I was playing between
maturely that COVID this is good.

752
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,880
COVID was good news for us.
It was a dry run. I mean,

753
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,079
if it COVID is something more serious. I mean, but what's interesting

754
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:22,440
that COVID was that everyone who gets
it doesn't go to hospital. You can't

755
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,400
really say that about ebola or about
you know, the next thing. On

756
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:30,320
a way, COVID was in many
ways a perfect a perfect lesson, and

757
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,960
the lesson shouldn't be we need to
stockpile masks, or we need to,

758
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,960
you know, make sure we have
hospital boats, although we probably should.

759
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:44,000
The lesson should be we need to
not panic and we need to not freak

760
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,880
out. And the people who are
tasked with the non panicking and the non

761
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:53,840
freaking out are supposed to be the
ones in charge. And it was a

762
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:58,920
crazy reversal. And I think this
is a crazy reversal we're seeing everywhere in

763
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:05,039
our lives now, to be broad
a sixty ft view of the bureaucrats and

764
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:14,920
the administrators and the scientists losing their
marbles while ordinary people who don't know anything

765
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:21,760
about infectious diseases or how respiratory viruses
work, or what the sero positive even

766
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:28,440
means, they somehow knew that this
was a mistake what we were doing.

767
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,880
They somehow knew. Somehow they knew
because they were not seeing what they've seen

768
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:38,280
in the Chinese videos. People roasting
on the street, twitching, men walking

769
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,960
down in white suits, hosing down
the streets with bleach, which is what

770
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:46,519
you do if if ebola is abroad
in the land. Now, the suffering

771
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,039
and dying went on in the hospitals, in the nursing homes, out of

772
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,320
sight, so it was limited to
the people who were told what had happened

773
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,639
because they couldn't go see them.
But still, the fact that there was

774
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,599
not this massive collapse of everything told
everybody that this is not this is not

775
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,880
this is not the thing in the
Omega man that makes everybody clutched their throat

776
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,159
and dropped to the ground. And
once you had and it wasn't based on

777
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:15,039
science necessarily, it just was based
on this sort of mutual just revelation,

778
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,519
everybody kind of agreed. Oh,
because everybody at the start was thinking,

779
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:22,360
we're gonna get this. I don't
want to get this. It's gonna be

780
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,920
sick, I'm gonna be horrible.
But then day after day you would wake

781
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,199
up and you weren't sick. Day
after day you would you would go to

782
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,840
the store and see the guys who
were working their stocking shelves and running the

783
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,920
cash registers, who are still there. If this was that bad, this

784
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,079
grocery store would not be open.
This fiction of six feet apart, this

785
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,840
idea of opening for an hour early
to let the elderly in all of these

786
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,239
things that you know, these walking
around with yardsticks, so we don't no

787
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,800
if it was this bad, this
would not be open, none of this

788
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,840
would So everything that came to be
safety theater TSA idea, TSA mind set

789
00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:00,719
applied to the entire world struck us
as bs because obviously this is not doing

790
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,440
anything and we're not going and it's
not that bad. So, I mean,

791
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,840
nobody knew by looking at Jay's study, nobody knew by looking at a

792
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,119
paper or something like that. There
was just this. We intuited that this

793
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,760
was not the end of the world
because we'd seen contagion. Then we did

794
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,320
not have the armor down the street
from where I work here filled with dead

795
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,280
bodies, including Kate Winslet. So
no, no, that's absolutely true.

796
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,559
That you're absolutely right. I'm actually
looking there is a number. I saw

797
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:29,119
it and I have I'm re searching
for it. That has then the rate

798
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:30,960
of I mean, this is I
mean, this is all old news for

799
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:35,480
people, but the rate of infection
among the people who worked at you know,

800
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:39,840
grocery stores and drug stores right they
were open, they were open for

801
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:47,320
business, you know, necessary whatever
they call necessary workers. Um, the

802
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:52,760
rate of infection for those people compared
to everyone else. That my initial research

803
00:56:52,920 --> 00:57:00,079
suggests that it is the same,
meaning that the Santa Clara studies vindicated it

804
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:04,559
was a tidal way. We all
got wet, only some of us drowned.

805
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,880
And have we spent a little bit
more time trying to protect the people

806
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:15,119
who were uh gonna be drowned.
Um, we might have saved a few.

807
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:19,320
It's not like if a bullet comes
here and they say they stay indoors.

808
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,199
If you stay inside your house,
you probably won't get ebola, right,

809
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:25,920
but if you it's not gonna help. You're not gonna have any to

810
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,360
do with your with your your COVID
chances. Anyway, any any public health

811
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:37,440
emergency that declares me to be an
essential person has got something wrong from it

812
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:39,119
goes all I can say. I
had my paper so I could go downtown

813
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:43,079
to the office and write made up
funding human columns. Haha, Well,

814
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,679
we know you gotta go. You're
gonna carry on for a few minutes bravely

815
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:47,199
without you. Um, I'll do
all the meet up stuff. You don't

816
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:51,880
have to worry about that often New
Orleans mid April. I'll be there,

817
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:54,840
are you will? Will you know? I will be Yeah. It doesn't

818
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,159
come to Minnesota, but he goes
to New Orleans. All right, Rob

819
00:57:58,159 --> 00:57:59,880
will talk to you next week,
Peter, and I will sold your on

820
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,440
all you Rob Long fans are.
I know you're tuning us off right now,

821
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,119
but we're gonna soldier on best as
Yeah, there aren't any see you

822
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,639
later before we go. Um,
there's not some obligation to talk about the

823
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:17,920
oscars and I could not care less
about the oscars? WHOA when? What

824
00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:22,639
was best picture last year? Do
you remember? I don't have a clue.

825
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:24,559
That's right, neither do I.
So we're the worst person, worst

826
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,840
people to talk about the oscars,
so we won't. However, we are

827
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:36,920
massively entitled credit and credential gel political
experts not so we can pick apart perhaps

828
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,920
what De Santa said, I think
in a sense you know what De Santa

829
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:46,920
said about Ukraine? Um, I
like the guy. I think you may

830
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,840
have to politics. We'll see.
I'm not particularly upset that he ate putting

831
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,599
with his fingers, which apparently is
the most important thing to a lot of

832
00:58:55,639 --> 00:59:00,519
people right now. Um, I
think Amy didn't Aimy clover Shart eat a

833
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,519
salad with a comb or something like
that. I don't know, it doesn't

834
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:07,440
matter, but his statements on Ukraine. If you want to say, is

835
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,599
this a matter of high national interest. You can talk about well, debt,

836
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,400
orders, taking care of our people
are necessarily more important because those are

837
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,280
the priorities of the government than the
government is a year for us in an

838
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,079
ancillary sense, though, you know, we live in a world and you

839
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:29,440
got to deal with what's happening.
So I support pretty much what we're doing

840
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:32,000
with Ukraine. So I'm not really
worried about what he said. I'm not

841
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:36,920
sure he would he would have acted
differently than Biden if he were president.

842
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,320
You may have some things to learn
about this, but I don't know.

843
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,480
I like the guy, and I
support Ukraine, and I just kind of

844
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:45,639
shrugged this one off and kept walking. That seems to me to be the

845
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,239
right reaction. He's a working politician. He doesn't know much about foreign policy

846
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,400
yet, He's never been been in
a position in which he had to learn

847
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:57,599
about foreign policy. Now he is. He's trying to thread the political needle,

848
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:04,760
meaning he has to eat Trump for
the nomination without driving away Donald Trump's

849
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:08,320
supporters, and that is going to
be a trick and a half. That

850
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:14,360
is what dominates his thinking, not
Ukraine. At the same time, it

851
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:19,840
was disappointing and disappointing, not even
at the level of policy. Should we

852
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:25,400
back them? Should he said,
a border dispute between Ukraine and Russia should

853
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:31,960
not be a high American priority.
It's not a border dispute. She knows

854
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:39,559
it's not a border dispute. So
that Santas Rondo, Santas Yale undergrad,

855
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:45,800
Harvard Law School, two tours in
Navy intelligence, knows better. It's a

856
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:52,559
false step when a smart guy sounds
stupid, and he did so. It's

857
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,599
a stumble. It's not a fatal
wound. It's a stumble. He's learning.

858
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:58,719
We're watching it, We're watching him
learn. Everybody gets one of those.

859
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,840
I remember Trump blowing a question about
the nuclear triad, you know,

860
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,599
back in the day or right right. He didn't even had no idea what

861
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:07,960
it was clear idea. And I
remember who would ask him a question about

862
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,920
the goods forces and he was and
he thought that he was talking the Iranian

863
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,480
goods forces, and he thought he
was talking about the Kurds and went off

864
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,079
in another direction. It was really
angry when he corrected him on it,

865
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:21,000
like it was a trick. Got
your question. It happens. They're going

866
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:22,760
to stumble from time to time.
When they get out of the gate what

867
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,519
matters. And you're right, it
goes to instincts, and in this case,

868
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:30,760
instincts and knowledge not that you know, not that heartening, but we

869
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,480
got some time to go in some
seasoning to do Trump. I think,

870
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,079
Um, when you talk about Trump
supporters alienating them, it's true, you

871
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:40,079
can't. But I think a lot
of what Trump is tweeting these days is

872
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:44,800
alienating former Trump supporters, and by
supporters, I mean people who voted for

873
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:51,920
him once, probably with maybe you
know, not great enthusiasm, and then

874
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,039
the second time voted for him with
enthusiasm because they were trying to stick it

875
01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:00,880
to whoever had end up the Russia
Gate. Everybody that was coming down on

876
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:04,199
the response that the people who wanted
to foist Biden upon him. So they

877
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:06,519
went in and said, you know, you call me to plorable, healthy,

878
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:08,079
Yeah, I'm gonna vote for Trump. Take that. Or the people

879
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:12,400
who were really enthusiastic the first time
and a little less so the second,

880
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,840
because you know, they got this
and they got that. I mean,

881
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,800
so there's all kinds of people who
voted for him who would vote for him

882
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,760
again if he were not. But
the number of enthusiastic people, I think

883
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,199
has declined, and a lot of
the people just simply don't want him to

884
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:29,239
run because the trump that's coming out
of these you know, everyone says,

885
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,719
well, at least no mean tweets, that's true. But man, the

886
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:37,599
stuff that he posts on true Social
can be just eyewateringly inane and just dumb

887
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:45,000
name calling and weird and cranky.
It's like, I this is not the

888
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:50,039
most intellectually a vivacious opportunity to a
choice that we got out there. So

889
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,679
so no, and I got I've
been I've been saving a whole bunch of

890
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,320
them up and there's no reason to
read them. But it was. He

891
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,239
was talking about ethanol in one of
his one of his truth Social postings about

892
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,559
the necessity of alpha ethanol is a
huge boondoggle. It's an immense boondoggle for

893
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:07,719
the agricultural industry. We don't need, we don't want it. We don't

894
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:12,000
want that stuff in our gas tank. So the fact that that De Santus

895
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:14,199
is against it, he's one of
those, Oh, I thought, that's

896
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:17,159
sort of kind of what big government
does is it mandates things like ethanol and

897
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,440
pours government money into it and forces
people to buy it, So you're for

898
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:23,639
that? Why exactly? And so
forth and so forth and so forth.

899
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:27,760
Anything al Speer in this week that
you would like to discuss or should we

900
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,840
just mercifully let the audience get on
to going in the comments and telling us

901
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,760
where we're wrong about this and wrong
about that? Yeah? No, I

902
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:37,920
always read the reader comments and learn
a lot. What should we watch this

903
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:43,360
weekend? James, we're out of
I'm so desperate that my wife went off

904
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,679
on a scheme trip with a couple
of kids. And here's what I found

905
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:53,440
myself watching. I called up Tinker
Taylor Soldier Spy nineteen seventy nine version right

906
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:59,639
with Alec Guinness and it's available for
free on YouTube. And the pictures a

907
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:03,039
little bit grainy, and you have
to adjust to the pacing, because boy

908
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:08,800
did serial television move at a different
pace in nineteen seventy nine from the pace

909
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,800
it moves at now. But by
the time you're ten minutes into it,

910
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,679
you've settled into the pace. And
it's just an amazing thing to watch a

911
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:21,960
great actor underplay every It was just
an amazing thing. But I thought to

912
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:27,679
myself, Wow, we're supposed to
be in the Golden Age of serial television,

913
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,760
and I can't find anything. So
I'm going all the way back to

914
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,239
nineteen seventy nine. That can't be
right. What am I missing? Yeah,

915
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,719
I'm missing nothing. It's all a
matter of taste. There are shows

916
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:40,039
that I've told people to watch that
they come back and they put their hands

917
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,840
gently around my neck and say,
speak no more to me ever again about

918
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,320
anything, because they just hated it
so much. Then there are shows that

919
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,440
my daughter will recommend that I will
absolutely adore, and my wife will look

920
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,119
at them and she'll roll her eyes
so hard backwards that she falls over in

921
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:54,719
a chair. So it's all a
matter of taste, and I'm not going

922
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,719
to recommend anything to anybody. I'm
finishing up the last of Us with a

923
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,960
diminishing enthusiasm. I'm continuing to watch
Hello Tomorrow, which is this wonderful retrovision,

924
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,599
retrofuturistic vision of where nineteen fifties the
aesthetics and ideas pretty much got locked

925
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:13,559
in place as we technologically progress to
computers and moonshots, and it's it's it's

926
01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:19,000
actually just a Willie Loehman salesman story
with incredible graphics that are so far up

927
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:24,000
my alleyway that I just think that
you know, they were reading my mind

928
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:26,639
before they made it. And other
than that, I have nothing to say

929
01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:30,519
except you listening should go to Ricochet
and joined because we're going to be here

930
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:33,760
for a while. Yes we are, and your membership will help us continue.

931
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,760
And that's the only place, the
only place on the entire Internet,

932
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,920
I'm telling you, folks, where
you're going to be able to find people

933
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,599
like yourself who enjoy a civil conversation
which sometimes gets a little salty and spicy.

934
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:46,559
Yeah, but that's what friends do
when they talk. So when I

935
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:49,480
say we'll see you in the comments
at Ricochet four point zero, that suggests

936
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:53,360
that we haven't gone off the diamond. There's not revisions. No, what

937
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,480
I'm gonna say is this week we
will see you all in the comments at

938
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:00,360
Ricochet four point zero. However,
first of all to thank Bowl and Branch,

939
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:04,199
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940
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:09,559
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you know we'll see you in the comments,

941
01:06:09,559 --> 01:06:13,519
says I said it Ricochet four point
zero, but it won't be four

942
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:19,400
point zero for long. Tune in
find out later. See you Peter next

943
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:30,760
week and on that note of intrigue. Next week, James Ricochet joined the conversation