1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,160 in the UK and around the world. You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:36,200 Network. Hello, is such the famous astronova, Sir Patrick Hall, It 4 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:44,719 is very much so. Any news on the space front. Er Musk has 5 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,880 just designed and developed five dantic state of the art rocket ships. All members 6 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:55,479 have pollowed, along with the American Senate, have first class tickets of all 7 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:02,520 them. You're see they're whold they're going to the moon cold Exactly where are 8 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:10,159 they going, Sir Patrick? The new normally is commissively astronomical, a huge 9 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:53,079 black hole. Welcome to Twin Souls. Twin Souls is brought to an association 10 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,640 with a paranormal UK radio network. Your host Philip and Sella. Now, 11 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,560 our next esteem guest is none other than Paul Asco. And I know we've 12 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:06,079 had Paul on the show before, but Paul has a new book out, 13 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:12,120 or shall we say, a revised edition of UFO's The Real Story and the 14 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,520 forward of which is by Malcolm Robinson. And this book has got some new 15 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,719 information in So Hello Paul, how are you? And I've just got to 16 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:21,719 say here as well. I've just got to tell the people out there that 17 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,360 you're not only an amazing author, a UFO investigator, and an all round 18 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:30,240 nice guy. I just think that you know that you Paul, and people 19 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:35,520 knew that you're there for the truth and only the truth. So how are 20 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,439 you. I'm very well, Philip, how are you? And thank you 21 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:42,599 very much for having me on again. You're perfectly welcome. Now your new 22 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:46,039 book UFO is the Real Story, the revised edition. This is very interesting 23 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:52,840 because I know there's some more information that's connected with regards to your association with 24 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,719 UFOs, and of course you've been studying this phenomena for a very long time. 25 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:01,439 Well, I think it might be important Paul, to describe what it 26 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,360 was and how it was that got you involved in the subject master to begin 27 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:10,000 with. Yeah, well, thank you for that. But what got me 28 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,000 into it to start with was a sighting of two UFOs when I was with 29 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:21,000 my father and my younger brother. Previously, I had no interest in the 30 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:25,240 subject and didn't even really know about the subject, and one night we went 31 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:30,240 into the front garden to say good night to dad, as we always did, 32 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,599 and he just happened to be attending to his roses in the front garden. 33 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:38,639 So we sat down at this, one brother at either side of him, 34 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:44,280 and his pointing to the night sky. Now the listeners have to appreciate 35 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:49,080 that this is a long time ago, nineteen sixty eight, so there wasn't 36 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,120 a light pollution or the amount of anywhere near the amount of air traffic that 37 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:58,319 there is now. But also we lived in a very rural location. We 38 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,280 lived on the edge of a small village the west South Yorkshire border. And 39 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:09,400 I said east because our home faced due east. Now, as we're looking 40 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:13,439 at the sky and my father's pointing out, it was just getting dark. 41 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:19,839 It was dusk and the first of the bigger constellations were visible. But straight 42 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:24,399 in front of us was a big bank of cloud that went on to the 43 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:27,560 north, so you couldn't see much of the night sky. It's all to 44 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,759 the north, but to the south it was completely clear. So the three 45 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:34,079 of us are actually looking at the sky. Now, my father wasn't an 46 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:38,879 astronomer or anything like that, but he had an interest and like to involve 47 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:43,240 his children like the parents do. And there's three of us were sat there 48 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:49,240 looking at the sky. These two UFOs suddenly came zooming out of this bank 49 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:56,279 of cloud and then stopped dead. Now there was no deceleration. They were 50 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:03,519 very fast, and then still immediately that happened, they were just perfectly spherical, 51 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,240 if you can imagine it, like in a V formation, but one 52 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:12,199 of the real ones missing, so one slightly to one side and slightly behind 53 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,480 the other, and that was one that was nerviss to the clown. And 54 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:18,920 you could actually they were brilliant, pearly white, just balls of light, 55 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:26,399 no apparent rotation, no sound, no other lights, nothing apparently joining them 56 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:30,399 together, and the light from them was actually reflecting off the surface of this 57 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,560 bank of clown. Now, as they stopped, I got a voice quite 58 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,040 clearly in my head. And don't ask me why, but I got it 59 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:46,639 as a friendly masculine voice. I can only tell you what what happened. 60 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,519 And the voice just said, ooped. We hadn't meant to have been seen. 61 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:58,839 Now, the size of these two balls of light was maybe one of 62 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:05,439 the English pence pieces arm's length, or maybe in America a dime. So 63 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,519 they were quite large. I mean, they were relatantly obvious in the sky, 64 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:15,279 brilliantly brilliant white. There was still for a few seconds, there was 65 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:21,519 nothing further that heard, and then within a millisecond they were moving. They 66 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:27,120 stayed the same relative position to each other throughout. They were moving very fast 67 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,160 going away from us, and they stayed the same moved away. But as 68 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:36,319 they moved it was like there was an atmosphere surrounding them and it was sort 69 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:40,639 of sloughing off, if you like, to the rear, and there was 70 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:46,680 this tiny tear drop shape that formed behind them as they moved away. So 71 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,240 they just moved away until they got smaller and smaller and disappeared in the distance. 72 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,199 Nothing further. They didn't deviate, they didn't wabble about. You could 73 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,519 actually see the light from them still reflecting off the surface of this bank of 74 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,720 cloud. There's this sort of undulating bank of cloud. As they got made 75 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:09,759 further away from it, and that was it. They moved away, and 76 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:15,120 the three of us were sat there bounds agape, silence. Really yeah, 77 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:19,680 do you know, I think it's very interesting that upon the observation of these 78 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:26,480 two spherical UFOs that you had seen, one of the things that stands out 79 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:32,680 is extremely interesting is that you had some form of tanleopathic exchange farm. We 80 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:38,639 can only assume one of the pilots from one of these vessels. I mean 81 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,519 that sounds like they, from their distance from their and your advantage point, 82 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,720 there was some kind of interaction. I think that's really interesting. Yeah. 83 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:53,839 Now, retrospectively, when I look back on my life, and I'm not 84 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:58,959 saying anything one way or the other, because I'll just say a gentleman called 85 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Bud Hopkins, who was sadly no longer with us, but many within the 86 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:09,160 field no believes that I was abducted. When I was small. Now, 87 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:13,800 I had a lot of night terrors, to the point where I didn't even 88 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,680 like going to bed. I didn't want to go to sleep because I knew 89 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,560 that they were going to come and get me again. And there were small 90 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:30,399 I hesitate to say, gray, dumpy things with big mouths, And I 91 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:33,720 can remember I always seemed to be in the same place. I mean, 92 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,039 you know when you have a dream, a dream just something you forget. 93 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,240 Oh, yes, but I was always in the same place, and I 94 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:48,279 was always scared of these getting me. And retrospectively, it's like, I 95 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,039 no, what can I say, as Paul would Paul Sinclair would say, 96 00:08:52,120 --> 00:09:00,879 absolutely no proof whatsoever. Yes, but it's sort of looking back at it 97 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:05,399 now, you can see that they could be a connection. I've never had 98 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:11,679 any regressive him the therapy anything like that that I wonder or I have wondered 99 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,879 if that is why I got that connection that my brother and my father didn't. 100 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,039 Yes, And you know, as we know, and especially from another 101 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:35,000 researcher who has investigated the UFO phenomena, and he in his book the intergenerational 102 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:41,279 program called Steve Aspin, who's written a book called Out of Time which deals 103 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,039 with the intergenerational program. It doesn't surprise me, Paul, because you know, 104 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:50,360 in terms of you, and I've always felt when I first met you 105 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,200 many years ago, that you had been kind of like an experience or an 106 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,639 abduct teen. Now I know there is a difference between the two, but 107 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,480 I have always felt that, and you'll find this that you know, the 108 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:09,679 telepathic exchange actually gave that away because one of these entities, whether that was 109 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,039 a humanoid from that one of the two crafts that you saw or whatever, 110 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:20,120 it came across as very friendly. So this seems very strange that you'd had 111 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,720 these experiences with these other type of beings. And then of course you may 112 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,360 possibly be a magnet for this phenomena, as though when the singularity touches you 113 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:35,039 that you are there like a light bulb. So it were. But you 114 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,039 see, it was like from me, that was like my wake up goal. 115 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,159 It was like from that moment on, I wanted to know about them. 116 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:50,519 And it was like I'm not saying that I physically changed or anything, 117 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:54,320 but it was like I was suddenly aware that they were there and I wanted 118 00:10:54,360 --> 00:11:00,799 to know. And it wasn't just the physics and then some bolts of how 119 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,879 they could move like that, why don't I know about it? And all 120 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:07,279 the rest of it, but it was the bigger picture that I wanted to 121 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,840 know. It was like they were just there like this is See. This 122 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:16,039 is another thing that I say for people that have been asked many times, 123 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,480 how do you know when you see something if it's if it's alien, And 124 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:26,039 I often say you will know because you get that deep feeling, you get 125 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,320 that connection. Oh yes, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I agree with 126 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,480 you there, Paul, because you know that when you're in the presence of 127 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:39,759 them, that things change. I mean, you know the fantasies and you 128 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:43,360 know, dreams and that type of thing. No, when you are in 129 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,080 their presence as you and I and Ronnie and many other people know, it 130 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,480 changes everything. And you'll find that, like yourself and many other good authors 131 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,960 and researchers out there, that it seems to touch you and now and then 132 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:01,159 it gets to the stage where you can't leave it alone. You've got to 133 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,679 find out what this is. And it's almost like a compulsion or an obsession 134 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:11,519 within the mind because the system that we serve has, relatingly we all know, 135 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,559 lie to us saying, well, you know UFOs or UAPs and identified 136 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,840 aero phenomena as opposed to an identified flying object. It's strange, isn't it 137 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:22,519 How they changed the acronym for something that the system doesn't believe, but they 138 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:28,080 changed it anyway. You know, I think looking at it that way, 139 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,240 the systems lie to us, and we were all thought that we were going 140 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:35,320 mad or you know, chasing fairies, and actually it's the truth, isn't 141 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,320 it. Paul, Yeah, yeah. And so for me then that was 142 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,480 the impetus to investigate, to research, to read and read and read. 143 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:52,039 I was already an avid reader. Our parents were big believers in not so 144 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,039 much as a strict education, but we had to read. And my father 145 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,399 and mother especially started as reading books from a very young age, and by 146 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,879 the time I was even nine or ten, I was reading practically anything that 147 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:11,120 could get my hands on. But the books in the library, as you 148 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,720 well know, back in those days, there wasn't much ender well, there 149 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:20,279 were nothing on you and there was very little even on the paranormal or science 150 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,919 fiction even, you know, so you remember it was for me. Then 151 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:31,759 again, my father bought the book which had just come out, Eric von 152 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,080 Dannik and Chariots of the Gods. So my father bought that, but I 153 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:41,960 read that before he did, but it's getting out. Then. It was 154 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,120 difficult because as a young lad, I mean I was only eleven at the 155 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,039 time. But even then into my teenage years, it was a case of 156 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:52,919 getting because my father worked told Dame. My mother didn't drive, so it 157 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,840 was using a local transport to get to a city to find a bookstore or 158 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:03,279 a library that would even stock any books on UFOs because in those days it 159 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,840 was more like mail order, wasn't I remember when I was a kid and 160 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:09,960 I did a project on the Roswol crash, and I still remember that, 161 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,559 but in fact I have a secondhand copy that I got wold Of and I 162 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,799 used to go to the library on a Saturday and do this on this project. 163 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:22,200 But there was only a very few UFO books even then titles. I 164 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:28,240 remembered a paperback that came out and when I was a kid, and it 165 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,519 was the I think it was called the UFO Report by Jay Allen Heinez. 166 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:33,559 Now I was young and my maternal grandmother was with me. She always used 167 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:37,039 to buy books for me and Ronnie. And I loved the cover because I 168 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:39,320 had a flying sauce on the front and it had a blue sky and clouds, 169 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,039 and I wanted it. I didn't understand a word of the scientific jargon 170 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,399 that was inside it, but I just wanted the book and she got here. 171 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,679 So I do agree with you. I mean, now the market is 172 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:54,360 licid with the information. But your research, I mean your journey, your 173 00:14:54,519 --> 00:15:00,960 personal journey that you were taking now led to some on you events. I 174 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,200 think there to a degree, perhaps even synchronistic events that was leading you even 175 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:11,080 further into the subject matter of your apology. Now, one question I got 176 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,639 to ask before we move on about your your theories and other ideas surrounding the 177 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:22,879 phenomenon. When you heard that voice, Paul within your head. And I 178 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,279 know what you mean because I have also on two occasions, but not you 179 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,480 ever related heard very very clear, distinct voices. There were female voices or 180 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,679 that I couldn't get most of the conversations. You know when you're getting it. 181 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,240 But did you have an impression with your mind of kind of like a 182 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:46,279 look of whoever it was that was relaying this information telepathically? Did you have 183 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,799 some idea of what the being looked like at all? It's an interesting question. 184 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,840 I just wanted to ask. Well, I would have said, you 185 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,799 see now you sort of you think about it again, and I would have 186 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:02,600 just said small humanoid, But I couldn't really elaborate much more than that. 187 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,240 But that's what you see. The thing is with this, and I think 188 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,360 other contact is yourself included, will say the same. When they're speaking to 189 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,320 you like that. You will get the full meaning and everything. This is 190 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:22,200 why there's never any language barrier, because it's mind to mind speech that uses 191 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,600 language. Mind to mind. You don't use language. You get the whole 192 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,120 bundle in one go, so you get the intention behind it, you get 193 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:34,320 the meaning, you get everything. So that is why I thought it was 194 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:38,799 friendly. It was male and it was a small humanoid. But that's as 195 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:45,559 far as I'm allowed as I'm going to allow myself to valuate them, and 196 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,639 totally respected. And I think you know, as a human species, we 197 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,240 are dangerous because we don't know what the other person is thinking. And I 198 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:56,759 agree with you, because everyone's trying to find out about someone else or what 199 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,440 they know, and this is the problem. I think, this is why 200 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,079 I always think that our human genesis is so far removed from other errors of 201 00:17:03,119 --> 00:17:07,720 the paranormal that perhaps are very normal, and we are the paranormal. So 202 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,640 I agree with you there totally, Paul, with regards to the not just 203 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:15,680 the conveying of what's being said, but also the emotions and feelings and everything 204 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,039 else attached to it, which is hard to describe in words. But you 205 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,799 have done a remarkable work in terms of your research and your understanding of the 206 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:30,279 phenomenon. And I know that you know this has led you to writing this 207 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:36,839 amazing book, you know, with regards to UFO's the Real Story, and 208 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,400 I you know, I did read the first version that you had when it 209 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,000 came out, and this new version is an updated version and got more information 210 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,240 in it. But I think it's remarkable how you kind of like have used 211 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:55,799 the record player hypothesis. And I remembered when my brother and I were kids, 212 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:57,079 so we had one of those big wooden you know. I remember those 213 00:17:57,079 --> 00:18:00,920 big wooden record players were the Yeah, I loved it. And you could 214 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,559 set the records up and when one finished, I know, you could only 215 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:07,519 play one side of them as they were sacked, but one would go down 216 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,680 and then and then of course when that finished, another one go down on 217 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,680 top of it. Thirty three and forty five and a half I think, 218 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:19,039 or forty five or whatever. But tell us about that, because I think 219 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:25,400 it's interesting with regards to the inter dimensional hypothesis which you have boys possibis, 220 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,880 and I think that's really fascinating. Yeah. Well, when you think, 221 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,599 you see when you think back historically through people that have done a lot of 222 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,119 UFO research, I mean as yourself. The books that I was started to 223 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,440 read, the authors that were writing then were people like Donald Key who yes, 224 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:48,000 people like Jenny Randall's had just come on the scene, Jack Valley. 225 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,200 I mean, I can remember reading Jacques Bali Passport to mcgoney when it first 226 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,480 came out, and it was like I'd even understand half of it, but 227 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,359 I purposely ready and I've still got a copy now. But yeah, I 228 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:08,240 think it's retrospectively that you have these experiences and this understanding all helps and going 229 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:18,480 back to different experiences like I've experienced premonition, multi geist phenomenon, psychic healing. 230 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:25,039 There's all these things that are just for me. There's no such things 231 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:32,200 as coincidence. It's like like you sort of lean towards this synchronicity where things 232 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,160 are meant to happen and they push you in a certain direction. And I 233 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,680 think that's true of everybody. You are where you are meant to be right 234 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,359 now, and if the you know, if these things are meant to happen, 235 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,599 the opportunity will present itself when it's right. And that is what I 236 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:56,759 found was reading books sort of, especially the old books, where people tend 237 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:06,759 to pick UFO events peat UFO locations, and what they weren't doing was trying 238 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:10,079 to step back and look at the picture and think, well, if that's 239 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:15,279 happening, why is it happening and where In the fifties and sixties, and 240 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:22,079 it was always flame sources from outer space, and it was it was and 241 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:27,000 now we're sort of cottoning onto this inter dimensional thing. And I think it's 242 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:33,200 because the reason that I use the analogy of the stack of LPs is quite 243 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:40,440 simple to get people to what can I say to visualize to make it easy 244 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:47,680 how these things can work with each other? And we on our normal electromagnetic 245 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:52,640 spectrum will say it is one of those LPs on the player, and we 246 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:59,599 only see one tenth of one percent and here that we deal with on a 247 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:04,440 normal early basis. So even on our electromagnetic spectrum, this is ninety nine 248 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:07,680 point nine percent of it that we don't know is there, even though it's 249 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:14,240 there all the time. So you have the long lower frequencies, the longer 250 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,799 waves on the radio, and then come up through the infrared to our visible 251 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,519 light and our acoustic spectrum, and then you go out gaining energy and lower 252 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:29,000 sorry, shorter waves all the time through the ultraviolet X rays and then gamma 253 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:33,400 rays at the high end. Now that is our normal electromagnetic spectrum that we 254 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,799 know about now the cosmologist to the latest, and I'm really really pleased. 255 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:45,559 Actually I've just would you believe I've just been on a cruise, and yes, 256 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,799 we've just been on a cruise on the Queen Mary on Qunard and the 257 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:56,400 presentations. This ship is enormous. It's it's like the Trafford Center on the 258 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,839 waves. It's incredible size to it. It's got two theaters, one in 259 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,359 front of the other, so you get these people that do these insight lectures 260 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,559 and you can go and listen to people like Olympic runners and pilots and their 261 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,599 customs men and they all tell their stories. But there's also a main theater 262 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,119 where they do put on the shows and everything else. So this part of 263 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,079 the second theater on this ship, it's got what they call the planetarium, 264 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:32,319 where they use four cameras and the seas that you're in actually reclined and you're 265 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:37,720 looking almost straight up in this big dome shaped screen. But one of the 266 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,319 things that they did was we're talking about the Earth and the Sun, and 267 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,519 now we're fitting. It was sort of the basic scientific cosmology, if you 268 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,559 like, introducing how you would to the public. But one of the things 269 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:53,440 it said, too, which I was very pleased about, was that it 270 00:22:53,559 --> 00:23:02,720 said the ordinary matter, which is howur lp only five percent of the universe 271 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:07,920 that we know of, and that approximately thirty five percent of it is dark 272 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,839 matter, and the vast majority, almost sixty percent, is dark energy. 273 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,720 And we at the moment do not have the scientific capability to look at or 274 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:25,160 measure, or use or understand dark matter and dark energy. And I think 275 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,720 looking at this stack of records, all it is are the different frequencies that 276 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:36,680 are above and below our ordinary matter that we deal with on a daily basis. 277 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:41,440 So it literally is a stack of records, all on different frequencies. 278 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:48,680 And this is how I've sort of developed an understanding of This is how the 279 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:53,359 UFOs react, This is how the paranormal works, This is how we sort 280 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:59,400 of get that small interface with cryptids, dog man, sasquatch, whatever you 281 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,720 want to call. And it's there, all on these different frequencies. And 282 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:11,799 then to move it on a little further, going back to open pol Sinclaire 283 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,839 as well Benton and Streat the strange area there. But there's also like the 284 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:22,000 Asca Lasca triangle, the Bermuda triangle, the Welsh triangle. They give them 285 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,279 all these names. I don't believe for one second that the triangular in shape 286 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:32,319 at all. I think they will change with the magnetic field that surrounds them. 287 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:38,200 And what that is is where the people have called them portals, and 288 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:44,839 this is where the records touch, if you like, where the veil between 289 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:51,720 the dimensions is thinnest. And that's why you get a lot of paranormal poltergeist, 290 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,480 a lot of UFOs, a lot of cryptids, and they're in these 291 00:24:55,559 --> 00:25:02,400 areas simply because it's easier for us to see out of our normal visible spectrum 292 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:08,240 as its short circuits within this portal area if you like, yes, yes, 293 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:12,319 and I agree, and you know I understand that, and also I 294 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,599 get it that it's possible, and I have also written, not your theory, 295 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,440 but that we as energy, as a human in a biological form with 296 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:29,200 consciousness, such as energy can occasionally activate these certain areas. And this is 297 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:37,559 why only certain individuals that perhaps why differently are allowing or able to see these 298 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,039 beings that come from these alternative dimensions of reality. So I think it's a 299 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:45,759 two way process. I think we can activate it to a degree, and 300 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:49,880 they also can activate it from their end, and I think that's very important. 301 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,079 I think that's incredible, Paul, Yeah, this, you see, 302 00:25:55,079 --> 00:26:00,799 that's why mediumship works. Yes, why really? And why I wrote a 303 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,839 book because it's like people are only getting a piece of the pie instead of 304 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,519 looking at all of it. But also, if you can go back to 305 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,680 UFOs and we'll use et as to cover all phrase. They literally could be 306 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:17,400 thousands of years in front of us, could be more than that, could 307 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,880 be tens of thousands of years in front of us. So where we are 308 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,880 on the basics of understanding our record and our electromagnetic spectrum of ordinary matter, 309 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,720 they understand all of it, all the dark all our ordinary matter plus the 310 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:37,599 dark matter and the dark energy, and they can use it. They completely 311 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,640 understand. They use it and everything. And that is why we only see 312 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:48,039 and hear and why we experience what we do. And that is why UFOs 313 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,759 use If you like these portals area, that's why they're seen in these areas 314 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,400 because they to them, it's just a shortcut from A to B. It 315 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,880 just makes life simpler for them. Ask the teacher about the universe has given 316 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,640 an example here. We've all been down that road before, because you know, 317 00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:07,160 like you, I was a very curious fellow. I wasn't I wanted 318 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,559 to know how things worked and will I said, well, where is the 319 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,160 end of the universe? And the teacher couldn't answer that question, and I 320 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:21,119 used to imagine myself, Well, if I dropped from the Earth at the 321 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,279 bottom and I kept going down, where would I go? I mean, 322 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,039 where would I reach what I'd come back on top of the Earth again at 323 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,160 some point or you know. And I think when we look at space, 324 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,720 I mean talking about dark matter, dark energy, fascinating subjects, and you 325 00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:38,400 know, I think that's really quite scary in a good way to think that, 326 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,440 you know, we are so oppressive as a species. Not everyone, 327 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,480 but a lot of them that know there can't be any form of intelligence out 328 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,920 there. And I'm left sketching my head Paul, thinking you've got to be 329 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:57,039 joking me, right, because there is a seemingly eternal connection out there. 330 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,880 People say, I don't believe in life after death. I don't believe an 331 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,640 eternity will just look up in space and are snap an ultimate question of where 332 00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:10,279 is the end or the border of the universe, because we as humans only 333 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,079 know borders and endings, And of course there's a paradox to be sure that 334 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,319 will certainly, I think overright, there's a sense of reality straight away from 335 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,319 anyone that's not quite understanding of it. But I love the analogy and I 336 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,799 think that, you know, the example that you gave of these records is 337 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,880 like levels lower and higher levels. And certainly, I think, and I 338 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,319 agree with you, I think et are well ahead because they know more about 339 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,759 us. So I think we know about ourselves, especially our workings of the 340 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,880 human mind. Yeah, so that I think is absolutely amazing. With regards 341 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,079 to your research, I mean, you know, in terms there will be 342 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,640 lower energies. Of course, we have them here on Earth. You know, 343 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,160 the good, the bads, and the ugly. You know they are 344 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,680 out there. They I'm sure they will be out there. And also when 345 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,480 I saw Star Wars for the first time as a kid, I mean, 346 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,759 you know, I did wonder, Wow, you know, there's a battle 347 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:11,440 going on somewhere across another part of the universe, and look how they are 348 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,599 and look how they live, and I'm thinking, well, I want to 349 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:19,039 be part of that. See. But again, this it's there. I 350 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:23,920 mean nothing against George Lucas, absolutely fantastic and all the rest of them. 351 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,200 And it does make you think outside the box. However, as in a 352 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:36,480 lot of people you're trying to think when they're on about UFOs and this had 353 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:40,720 been possible, and that would be impossible it's they're talking out of the backside 354 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:44,519 for me if you'l execute me. But at the end of the day, 355 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,319 that's using our physics, yes, and because we don't understand the dark energy 356 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,839 and the dark matter and all these different what if you want to call them, 357 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:59,960 different dimensions, different vibrations. One of the things that I experienced was 358 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:08,720 again going to see an amazing, amazing medium and what she called the spaceman 359 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,119 came through to talk to me, and one of the things he said was 360 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:18,519 having to lower his vibe. Was difficult to lower his vibration so that it 361 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:23,960 could contact and come through on our level. And that's one of the things 362 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,960 that also. But it's like, as I've gone on with this, and 363 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,440 I'm not saying I'm the greatest researcher or anything else, but the more I've 364 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:41,880 gone into it and the more I've heard people's examples of their experiences, then 365 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:47,079 it's sort of giving corroborative evidence all the time that I'm not saying I'm right, 366 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,559 but I'm thinking along the right lines. Oh you are, and you 367 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:53,440 are a brilliant researcher anyway, So don't put yourself down for we know that 368 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,559 you're a great speaker, and you've got some incredible ideas, and all ideas, 369 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:03,240 all theoretical content, must be honored because nothing can be proven until, 370 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,359 of course, our limited version of science in a human way can answer those 371 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,839 questions. Now, it's interesting you mentioned about lowering the vibrational frequencies. I 372 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,240 also have this idea that and it's just simply an idea that when a UFO 373 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:26,759 comes into our reality, rather like waher, that then becomes solidified when it's 374 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:33,920 frozen and it becomes ice. Where perhaps these intelligencers use the mind to create, 375 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,200 but they also have to as they come into our physical reality, mold 376 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,000 themselves as a construct of our reality in order to come in and go out. 377 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,720 I mean, you know, I understand about the windows opening, the 378 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,400 portals opening for their ships and their crafts to come through. But in some 379 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:57,279 cases, especially where crashed saucer so called technology is being discovered, some of 380 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:01,039 it appears to be quite mundane. So I'm wondering whether or not these beings 381 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:07,799 actually mold themselves into our reality. In order like us to get into a 382 00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:12,039 deep deep sea diving suit in order to survive under the depths of the ocean, 383 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,279 we have to have some construct in order to equipt ourselves on that level. 384 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:20,000 But yeah, I tell us more about this instermental hypothesis. I love 385 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,079 it right. Well, then if you right it, don't make it so 386 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:29,920 difficult, Philip. It if you think about it on avery, like we 387 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,240 all know, everything is energy. Everything is energy. You and I, 388 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,400 the computers reside in front of the rooms that we're in, our bodies themselves 389 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:44,319 all interact, so et that could be fifty thousand years in front of us. 390 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:51,200 Completely understand that. And we have different energies. We have good energy, 391 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,880 we have bad energy, we have good everybody has good days and bad 392 00:32:52,920 --> 00:33:00,880 days. However, your frequency is like your fingerprint. It's like unique is 393 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:06,799 unique to you. So for somebody who's that far in front, that makes 394 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:13,680 it simple for them to come in and identify to somebody. That's why we 395 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:21,640 get abductees that are sort of that abductation. After I've done, and I've 396 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,319 done, and another one. You know, we'll just use Calvin Parker as 397 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:31,759 a as a as an example where fantastic book by Philip and Dr Irena Scott 398 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:37,839 Beyond Casco. You know, again, in a court of law, it's 399 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:44,920 unquestionable. So much evidence has come out now so many witnesses as well as 400 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:52,160 their first hand experiences. But Calvin only naturally remembered that one incident when in 401 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:57,480 actual fact, when he'd gone back with kath Marvin, he'd actually been abducted 402 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:04,519 on four occasions. So there's things like that where they can put screen memories 403 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:08,400 in. They can make you not remember anything at all. And I think 404 00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:14,360 because they understand how our mind works. I mean we can even we can 405 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,599 even now we know that they can measure ECGs for the heart, electro and 406 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:27,199 ketlograms, they can do electro and ketlograms for the head, EEGs electrocardiogram, 407 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,039 electric and kelegram, so they know that there are different patterns. There are 408 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:37,519 no different energies there. However, we don't have the technology to be able 409 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,599 to tweak that to cure it, because if there's something wrong with it, 410 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,400 we can just say, oh yeah, that should be like that. We 411 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:49,360 know there's something wrong with it. However, if you completely understand it, 412 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,599 and I'm going off at a tangentea, but I'll use I'm going to use 413 00:34:54,679 --> 00:35:00,599 Jesus as an example now, as I've done in my revised book, I 414 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:05,480 think it would be appalled that they've made a religion out of it. He 415 00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:10,679 was there as the pure being, as this is what we can all achieve, 416 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,599 This is what we can all have the potential to become, absolutely all 417 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:19,840 effort. And that's why you said there is no way to go but through 418 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,119 me, because you have to be as pure as he would. You have 419 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:28,400 to lift your vibration and raise your thoughts and your ethics and your morals, 420 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,320 and think how he did, not that it's a religion at all. Religion 421 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:37,320 has got absolutely nothing to do with it. It's man made. But that 422 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:43,880 was part of him, was given an example of how we should be as 423 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,280 a perfect human being. Yes, and I think we can see that there's 424 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,559 been some kind of mental and spiritual substucation, if I use the word lightly 425 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,880 spiritual, the essence, the very being of what we represent on a universal 426 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,599 level of conscious awareness. I think the system that we serve knows this, 427 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:07,679 those in the elite, and have tried all they can to douse that spark 428 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,079 of awareness within us so that we remain in their control, or caught within 429 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,760 their matrix, as it were. I absolutely understand it, and I like 430 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,679 the way that you've described that with regards to the energy field, which is 431 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,599 energy, which is information, which is you ostensibly and how we vibrate all 432 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,760 of us on different levels. And this is why some people are more drawn 433 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,519 to the phenomena than others, because others may be shut down or the phenomena 434 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:37,360 is not tweaked to their level of you know, connectivity as it were. 435 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,559 This is fascinating, isn't it. Yeah? And this is why again, 436 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:47,239 as I said before, don't make it so difficult, because as we've said, 437 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:53,239 with abductees, everything's done through thought. Yes, now we know we 438 00:36:53,400 --> 00:37:00,239 have closed minds, and that is the problem, and the e t have 439 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,840 that they have open minds, the thoughts around there, and because they understand 440 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,039 it and control it, and because everything's open and they understand the frequencies around 441 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:14,800 them, that is why we they manipulate, if you like one of the 442 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,519 things that Bud Hopkins, the laws can and Cat Marden more recently, and 443 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:27,320 they're all saying that everything is controlled by thoughts, even going to the Rendelsian 444 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,280 Forest when it allegedly put is I'm saying, allegedly, I hate that word. 445 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:38,159 Put his hand on the craft and I like you like et if you 446 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:44,880 like was part of the vehicle, and that's exactly what it is because they 447 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,960 control the whole thing, because they understand the magnetic field of where they are 448 00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:54,599 and what surrounds them. That is why they can use their mind to control 449 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,519 the physical side of it that makes them move y. Yeah, and that 450 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,599 is why it's not so difficult. That's why they can go through space, 451 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,239 they can go through our atmosphere, they can go through our lakes and oceans 452 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:14,000 because it doesn't ma any difference. They completely in their own little bubble. 453 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,840 They completely and their whole little bubble of universe. So these when people say, 454 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,199 you know, these G forces would have killed somebody or whatever, it's 455 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,280 completely relevant because they're not feeling any G forces. Like they were moving. 456 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,679 They were doing ten thousand miles an hour. They're not all the big deal 457 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,760 was ten thousand mile an hour. Was just moving from A to B and 458 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,840 thought is instant. It's that quick. And that is why often we see 459 00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:44,239 I believe we see flashes of light in the sky and I cover this in 460 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,559 the book. We were with Benton Repauls in Clairan and there were maybe ten 461 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,400 or twelve of us there and Chris Evers was interviewing him for the Outer Limits 462 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,760 magazine and While he was doing that, the rest of us were looking at 463 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,920 the night sky like you do on the cliff top looking And there were several 464 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:07,079 times I felt sorry for Chris because several times within the question and answer thing, 465 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,079 there were a flash in the sky. Now, if one person seeing 466 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:15,840 it, okay, then you can question it. But when these four or 467 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,880 five six people of you all stood there and you all see it, then 468 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,119 that's when I think UFOs or these craft whatever you want to call them, 469 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:30,920 I say UFO. But they don't fly, but anyway, that's another story. 470 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,320 But that's just when they're passing through our visible spectrum. So you just 471 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,400 see that flash as they move from one frequency to another and as it's visible 472 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,639 as it moves through that bit that we can see. That is why you 473 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:46,639 get the flash of light. And do you know, I'll tell you something 474 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,559 very interesting because the last main UFO events that happened to me in my twin 475 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:57,039 brother on the ninth of April twenty sixteen, eleven fifteen payment night Chine a 476 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,239 formation of white, massive white lights that descend to where we live. It's 477 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,960 a long story, not gonna mention it all here. It's been documented anyway, 478 00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,039 when they moved off. When that you could measure the space between the 479 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,400 three of them and it was like they were on glass. It was like, 480 00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:15,000 and I agree with you, like maybe they weren't moving at all, 481 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:20,400 that it looked like that they were on glass, moving just like like you 482 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,760 know when you get one of those slides onto you know, behind a bit 483 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,559 of glass, new movie. That's what it was like. So I understand 484 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:34,239 from your analogy and your description of this there's no movement at all because they 485 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,360 perhaps aren't moving, but we and our perception of reality are thinking they're moving. 486 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,440 They're just moving out of our space and our time. And that was 487 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:51,920 another thing that I found really amazing and was able a fascinating able to both 488 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,639 my brother and I were able to understand that there was no sound, as 489 00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:00,079 though that everything was muffled like it just snowed. So it's it's important to 490 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:06,599 know to the listeners out there. But when UFOs UAPs come into our airspace, 491 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,760 it changes like a bubble this area that you're in an air in. 492 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,199 It's like, oh, this is this is the way it is. So 493 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,480 absolutely totally agree with you, Pauled on that part. Yeah, definitely, 494 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,719 Yeah, And that's what I mean going on from that, That is why 495 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,360 you can often get people with all sorts of normally not just UFOs, but 496 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:32,760 with cryptid and put upon a normal experiences that people have where suddenly they say 497 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,480 everything went quiet. They can't hear anything. There's not even any wind or 498 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,320 birds in the trees or background traffic is nothing. And that's because you've entered 499 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:50,360 that bubble. You are suddenly out of your normal acoustic spectrum. So that's 500 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,599 why you hear anything. Because there was no one walking their dog, There 501 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:58,639 was no cars coming down the road. This was a Saturday night. I 502 00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,800 know it was eleven to fifteen pm night, but there was no one anyway, 503 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,480 because I was ready to grab someone and say look at that, because 504 00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,599 they were so low and big, and there was just me and my brother 505 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,079 been c by niece in a neighboring village who pull their car over to fill 506 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:14,800 them as they're on our way to us, and they weren't there when we've 507 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,199 arrived from this meal a birthday a birthday meal. Sorry, but that's that's 508 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:25,199 that's all happened now. But I agree with you on that that that conclusion 509 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:31,280 and the evidence that these intelligences are and we all agree. I think you 510 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,559 pull myself and money and many others. There is this inter dimensional connection. 511 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,559 And I think that is because for so long we were looking out thinking, 512 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:44,079 oh, it's in space or it's out of space. But now it's interesting. 513 00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,440 I know it's scientists will pooh pooh that because they don't have the dynamics 514 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,840 to understand how dimensions work. Yeah. Now the other thing as well, 515 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:59,519 if you think you can, you're somebody who can control the whole of the 516 00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:05,920 electro including dark energy and dar matter. You can then control how people react 517 00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:12,800 because you can see physically their electric field, so you know what they're seeing, 518 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,559 you know what they're feeling. That's why they can put these screen memories. 519 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,840 They can substitute familiar things to make you feel more comfortable. They can 520 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:30,119 make you forget all together. They can How many times have we heard sort 521 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:35,239 of people that have witnessed things and said I couldn't watch it. I felt 522 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,199 scared. I had to close the curtains, or I had to close the 523 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:43,280 door and come in. Yes, and we get that a lot, and 524 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:50,480 it's those are sort of I won't say coercive reactions, but they are. 525 00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:53,920 They can influence things. When I got that I've taken an eighteen second video 526 00:43:54,599 --> 00:44:00,559 of something that came out of a cloud and straight away, and I got 527 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,920 the feeling it was odd. I stopped what I was doing. I was 528 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,840 walking middle of the night back to my headquarters. I was on nice shift, 529 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,280 me and another guy, Liam bless him. I took my phone out 530 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,960 of my pocket and videoed it for eighteen seconds. After eighteen seconds, I 531 00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:22,360 stopped videoing simply to get a better look with my eyes so that I could 532 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,760 look at it rather than looking at it on the screen of the phone. 533 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,559 And I turned the phone off, looked up at it, and it just 534 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,320 sort of it was almost like it said, there you go, thank you 535 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,159 very much, and he just moved sideways back into the cloud and we never 536 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:39,480 saw it again. And it was and it was like, eh, it 537 00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:45,079 was sort of it was it was all. It was obvious almost that it 538 00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,079 was like, Okay, I'm gonna let your video this and then I'm going 539 00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:52,440 to disappear. And that's exactly what it looked like. That's how it came 540 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:58,119 over. And there was another occasion that I referred to in my book for 541 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,800 the first time that my wife saw U phone and it was like a like 542 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,159 a glitter bol typical strictly come dancing glitter bol. Now there were five adults 543 00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:15,000 and two children and we all saw it. We had five mobile phones, 544 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:20,760 five cell phones with us, two iPads, and we also adding inside for 545 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,280 five minutes at least, and yet if we watched it appear move closer to 546 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,639 us than change direction and ninety degrees and move away from us, and then 547 00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:36,639 it was like hmmm, and none of us for one second thought about getting 548 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,039 a phone or an iPad and video in anything. And it was like, 549 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:45,480 how can they do that if they don't have that technology. And it's not 550 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,599 technology as such, it's having that understanding to project and say yes you can 551 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,360 see me, but I'm not allowing allowing you to video it. You know, 552 00:45:55,639 --> 00:46:00,679 you don't You don't think about it until afterwards. Yes, Well, 553 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,320 on the night of the night of April twenty sixteen, when we were observing 554 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,639 these three massive objects white objects that had descended, they were huge and they 555 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:14,960 did their maneuver. My man bag with my mobile phone was ringing and I 556 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:16,880 found out later well, when I walked through the door, it's my niece 557 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,639 asking me if she was saying to film your phots are on their way. 558 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:23,000 She said, have you seen them? I said, yes, they've been 559 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,719 right here. I said to are you phoning about your post? Now, 560 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,519 I could have taken my phone out of my bag and you know, not 561 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:34,800 taking the call, but filmed them. But I thought, no, I'm 562 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,599 not interested in that because people want proof. They want proof, they want 563 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,039 proof. Whatever proof you bring to the table, it won't be enough. 564 00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:44,480 Even if you had a piece of the roswell material and your hand and I 565 00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:45,880 said, I've got a piece of it here, They're not going to believe 566 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,599 you. And I think my brother said, what is proof at the end 567 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,239 of the day, I think it's your own conviction, within your own reality 568 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,639 of how you view and experience this phenomenon. And I like the way also 569 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,800 that when you said, Paul, that you know that these intelligences seem to 570 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:13,000 home in on certain individuals who are perhaps vibrating on very different energy systems than 571 00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:17,840 you know someone else. And I think it's interesting because to some level we're 572 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,960 asking the question, well, okay, we understand or we're getting more to 573 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,559 the realization that we are not alone in this infinite universe, and it may 574 00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:31,079 not be our universe obviously is interdimensionally but what are they wanting from us? 575 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,360 What are they looking for? But I also feel that to some degree when 576 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:42,079 you, I and many others have been touched by this singularity that you are, 577 00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,679 this is the amazing thing. You are transformed, you are changed, 578 00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:49,679 And I think that's a good thing, isn't it. Paul? Oh, 579 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,880 Yeah, that was something that it was like a sweech went off in my 580 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,320 brain that said that just accepted it and said I've known about this all the 581 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,079 time type of thing, and it was like, yeah, I know they're 582 00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:07,079 real. Why why just why is it just suddenly come to the forecause I've 583 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:15,119 seen something. Yes, going back to the photographic evidence or video evidence. 584 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:21,280 Yes, one of the things that I touch on is because they're often moving 585 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,320 through our visible spectrum. This is why, I mean, if you think 586 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,239 about it, but I'll just finish, this is why we do not get 587 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:36,159 good photographs and videos of them, and we don't get them because they're not 588 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:43,199 all there physically within that visible spectrum that we can record, or the infrared 589 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,559 on the gun cameras that we can recordse No, that's interesting. Yeah, 590 00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:51,400 if you think about it. On the we'll just use the I mean, 591 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,840 it's over two years ago. Now, but when they released the tic TAC, 592 00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:01,159 the Go Fast and Gimbal three, now that was just three videos. 593 00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:06,880 They said they'd actually got eighty eight zero that were recorded, well, not 594 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:14,599 recorded, but seen on three different mediums. So you've got the proper observers 595 00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:19,079 if you like, as pilots, you'd got the infrared from the gun cameras, 596 00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:23,400 and then you've got radar recordings on the carrier fleet underneath. But they've 597 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,199 got eighty such things as that, so there were seventy seven that they weren't 598 00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:32,239 showing as then. But there is no sort of going on about this is 599 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,159 even if you think then looking at Go Fast, Gimbal and tic Tac, 600 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,280 they're not very clear. No, that's right. And yes, yeah, 601 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,880 now you can see there's something there. They physically could see there was something 602 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,400 there and they could record something, but it's not clear on any of them. 603 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:54,440 And it's not clear because they'd not completely within our spectrum. That's right. 604 00:49:54,519 --> 00:50:00,360 They move because their projection if you like that, they move through their 605 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:07,320 thought process, their frequency, their vibration, their dimension that they work on 606 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:13,719 isn't completely within our bit as we are. So that's why we'll never get 607 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:20,079 or way it'll be incredibly lucky to get clear picture and clear video evidence because 608 00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:24,360 it's not possible because we not be able to record on a beginning of spectrum. 609 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:30,119 Yes, it's one of like wearing dissorted sunglasses through our vision. We 610 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,119 can't see it clearly and we don't have the capacity because we're on separate energy 611 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,679 levels or vibrational levels. Certainly, with regards to the film footage on her 612 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:44,119 phone that my knee stock, I mean they are unknown, they're three objects, 613 00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:49,360 but they are kind of like distorted slightly, And this is the same 614 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,039 with every single UFO image that we have. You can always tell, Paul, 615 00:50:53,079 --> 00:51:01,320 I think the original versions with the real ones compared to the none sorry, 616 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,920 compared to the models that you know sometimes get these strums on YouTube, 617 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,519 Like, I'm perfectly clear ifos you're thinking, you know, because most of 618 00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:12,920 them have a kind of like an aura energy around them, as though it's 619 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,719 distorting the space that it's occupying. So well, wow, that's amazing you 620 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:23,960 saying that all absolutely incredible. Yes, So with regards to to your research, 621 00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:29,679 I mean, you know, with regards to your book, incredible work 622 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,960 in UFO's Real story, I think it's it's you know, people need to 623 00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,480 understand that you are, you know, as many others are, which is 624 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:42,199 good to know, genuine, honest and out for the truth. But ultimately, 625 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,920 Paul, I just need to ask you know, I'm glad that you 626 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:50,320 and I and many others believe that there is more to our human existence than 627 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,760 a biological functioning mechanism with a cell mind date, there is more tois mortis 628 00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:00,639 and and I think also with consciousness, the extension or the journey beyond this 629 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,800 physical matrix. But what's your idea? Why? I mean I always joke 630 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,960 and say when I get on the other side, I'm going to get a 631 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:13,079 refund and ask them what on earth was that all about? Because I yeah, 632 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,519 well you won't get a reef and you'll get to the other side and 633 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:21,199 say, well did I learn something? Or because this this is it. 634 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:27,280 You've got to think of the religious conditioning that the world has had in general, 635 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,239 and it made a big thing of death and that's it, and whatever 636 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,000 death doesn't actually exist. It's only the body that you're in that has to 637 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:43,679 stay on this vibration. Your soul will move on and it's just like it's 638 00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,960 like trading an old car in for the new car exactly that could you make 639 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,559 sure that I get a roller next time and not a not a Morris minor, 640 00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,599 please, Paul, I do know that with your work, your amazing 641 00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,039 work. I love the way that you encompass the spiritual aspect as well, 642 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:06,920 because this gives us as a species hope and a system that has deliberately given 643 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,880 us just kind of like half truths or kind of like well it's there, 644 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,000 but we're not really going to tell you the rest of it. And I 645 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:17,800 think it's wonderful that advocates and researchers like your self authors are coming forward to 646 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,519 tell people, look, hang on just a minute. You know, the 647 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,480 system is telling us one thing and it's never changing. This is what's really 648 00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:30,159 going on. So I think your work and your information, your research, 649 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:36,840 and also your talks that you do are really incredible. And so but where 650 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,920 do you see, if I may ask here Paul and out of the box 651 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,199 here, where do you see as a species going I mean, you know, 652 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,599 from my viewpoint, I hope that things change, but and thankfully things 653 00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:52,280 are with the way that people are changing with regards to their thoughts about these 654 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:58,840 other areas of interest. Yourupology cryptozoology, paranormal activity. But where do you 655 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,159 think this is, this pieces has taken. I do think we will get 656 00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:06,519 to that point of evolution where we will wake up and you know, be 657 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:12,079 good, you know, yeah, And that is what I'm hoping is happening 658 00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,480 right now, Philip. You see, the thing is we've been conditioned all 659 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:23,079 the time with our society as it is. Everything's materialistic, and we've been 660 00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:30,440 steered away from the spiritual side of things. And I can only say from 661 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:36,360 personal experience, but looking at what research I've done and what I've found and 662 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,679 what I personally have experienced, this has got to be the way forward. 663 00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:45,679 You have got to lift your vibration, your way of thinking, and ignore 664 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,760 what other people think. You've got to do it yourself. And this is 665 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:59,760 the problem that the modern society we've grown up in has conditioned, conditioned us 666 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:04,679 all out of that. Now, if you think now things are starting to 667 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:10,639 be exposed how everything was misconstrued. But there's more and more things where things 668 00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:15,880 are coming to a head. And I think it is happening where the lies 669 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:24,599 and the corruption are slowly being exposed, and it's people's getting people's acceptance of 670 00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:30,400 that because again it's difficult when you've been told all your life that black's black 671 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,639 and then suddenly you realize it's not black at all. They're a whole myriad 672 00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:39,199 of colors in there. And you've been led, You've been misled all your 673 00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:45,920 life. It's difficult for people to say to accept it and move forward. 674 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:51,280 And that is the what I think we're going through now is people that were 675 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,719 now waking up to the corrupt governments and the government, the corrupt systems that 676 00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:06,159 are in place, and the spiritual side of things definitely are coming more to 677 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,760 the fore. Yes, and I agree with you. I mean you look, 678 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,440 I mean, just don't take my word for it, but if you 679 00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:20,199 get the chance, look at memberships of Spiritualist church and now they're starting to 680 00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:25,599 grow recently, and I think people there are people are getting fed up of 681 00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:31,320 the what can I say, the government's put downs, the government's control, 682 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:37,519 the government's taxation on everything and everything, and it's people are becoming wise to 683 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:44,480 it. And I think people are slowly waking up. But again you have 684 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:50,519 to do that shift yourself and move through acceptance. And then once you've accepted 685 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,480 that, you've been like to, oh, it's right. What can I 686 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:57,199 do about it. It's not necessarily is is going to rock the boat, 687 00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:01,400 but it's going to help me to step aside and live a proper life instead 688 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,679 of something that's subjugated. Yes, and attitudes have changed. I mean since 689 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,880 the eighties when I was a young lad. I mean I have seen an 690 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:16,119 absolute total transformation, and certainly past that area that we're not really able to 691 00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:22,639 talk about. That's another process of indoctrination where we're not allowed to mention a 692 00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:24,760 certain word because it will upset the establishment. It's funny, then, isn't 693 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:30,159 it. But I will say that people are now beginning to wake up and 694 00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,719 I think they've had enough. They're tired of the old system that will not 695 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,920 change. Then it's total subjugation. I agree with you. Yeah, And 696 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:45,519 it's a slow change and a slow acceptance and a slow move, but it's 697 00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:50,000 a move in the right direction. And I think that's where we are now. 698 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,639 You see. The thing is one of the things I say say in 699 00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:58,920 my book is we're never going to be accepted by Dare I say an intergalactic 700 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:05,039 community as new kids on the block when we're still as basic as we are. 701 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:13,840 This warmongering and the profiteering that people make from making laws has got to 702 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:19,719 stop. It's like, why are they sending all this I mean NATO and 703 00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:23,679 the US. It's just ridiculous. Why why are they putting all this money 704 00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:28,760 and effort into peacekeeping talks? Why are they putting it all into weapons? 705 00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:32,079 They completely go the wrong way around. Oh, absolutely, and I am 706 00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:35,960 totally behind you along with many other people on that. You see, we 707 00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:43,559 can see that what's happening, the propaganda and the levels of total subjugation that 708 00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:49,320 the system is imposing upon the citizens. And it's not just the UFO UAP 709 00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:53,480 phenomena, which God forbid you know, you know, has not been a 710 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:58,199 fallacy which the system has trying to make us believe, and it will not 711 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,599 go away. It's almost as if they're saying, hang on, just a 712 00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:02,440 minute, you need to grow up, and we're going to continue to show 713 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,039 our souls until you do wake up. I have never understood, Paul, 714 00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:13,800 in my head, what is such a big deal about the fact of acknowledging, 715 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,199 yes, there are ets out there and there is such thing as life 716 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,599 after death, of continuation of the soul. I've never understood within my mind 717 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:28,800 how it is that people are so negative towards that understanding, and yet we 718 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,480 have very little in the way of understanding of the universe that we encompass in 719 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:37,880 this tiny little planet, in this vast, almost endless cosmos. So I 720 00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:42,280 agree with you in terms of the way you're seeing it. And I just 721 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,079 have to say to you that your book, your work is absolutely amazing. 722 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:52,760 I think you're a wonderful guy, very honest, very open, at someone 723 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:57,880 that you can talk to forever about anything, not just about UFOs. But 724 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:04,320 I think your contribution to towards the subject is very valued. So I've got 725 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,119 to say here, Paul, do you have and I know I've asked this 726 01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:09,079 before, Okay, And you did say what you were going to do when 727 01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:15,599 you said I'm going to re introduce my book, revise it, and you 728 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,000 have done just that. But do you think or feel that you've got any 729 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,840 more that you want to bring forward? Because I think that I know you're 730 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:29,760 passionate with your drive towards you know, exposing corruption within the world and mental 731 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,320 subjugation. I mean, is there another book in there that you want to 732 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:37,800 bring out? Paul? Well, now, this it is something I've considered, 733 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:43,280 and the thing is to move forward in that especially a lot Like you 734 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,960 said, now, we're exposing corruption and the at the end of the day, 735 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:52,199 it comes down to people read and making money. But that's the bottom 736 01:00:52,239 --> 01:01:00,480 line. However, the I don't think that I know enough about there and 737 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,679 what goes on. Now. I'm very fortunate that I'm friends with lots of 738 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,320 free journalists, so I do find out a lot of things that obviously won't 739 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:15,559 be on the mainstream media. However, the going back to eupology and the 740 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:22,440 paranormal, I think there's some wonderful people such as yourself out there that do 741 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:28,840 some great work, Philip and Irena with their latest book. But again it's 742 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,039 looking at the bigger picture. We need to look at the bigger picture. 743 01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:39,360 And for me, I don't think me expanding on this anymore is going to 744 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:45,599 help. I don't mind talking about I mean, I can talk about this 745 01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:52,159 till the cows come home, as you know. But there's all these these 746 01:01:52,199 --> 01:02:00,039 things. I don't have a scientific enough mind to be able to go in 747 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:05,119 to the depth of quantum theory and these other things. But in some ways 748 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,519 I'm glad that haven't been able to because I think that would have held me 749 01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:17,639 back. Because you do get this old dogged, sort of authoritarian of the 750 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,760 old sciences and it's like, no, you can't, that don't work. 751 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,880 That card. Well, I'm afraid that is what is working, and it's 752 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:31,280 you that's wrong because I'm not scientific enough. My brain isn't that good. 753 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:36,639 I think in some ways it's been a benefit because it's allowed me to step 754 01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:40,519 back and say in simple terms, and that's why I wrote the book for 755 01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:45,280 me in Layman's language, for anybody, but because there's nothing worse than picking 756 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:50,760 a book up and then not being able to understand it or thinking, oh, 757 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,519 I'll have to go back and read that again. Oh no, I've 758 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:58,119 been there a few times. Trust me absolutely, and I agree with you. 759 01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:02,079 I think I think you the information that you have and translating it the 760 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:07,400 way that you understand it's what's important. And as you said yourself, the 761 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:15,639 usl UAP phenomena is an impossible science and our science can't answer that question. 762 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,639 So I totally agree with you, and don't put yourself down by the way 763 01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:22,320 you're brilliant, But in terms of your understanding, I think that when you're 764 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,159 saying that you go into this information within take an example, quantum mechanics, 765 01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,719 quantum physics, whatever, and then you get stuck. It's because we can't 766 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:37,199 answer that question within our simplified version of how we see reality. So I 767 01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:39,599 think I'm totally on the same page and in the same book as you are 768 01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:46,119 there or don't worry about it. So it's just it's that side of things 769 01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:52,840 where it's being able to understand the bigger picture. And I think that's why 770 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,039 I have a rudimentary grasp up and that's what I'm able to put over. 771 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,880 And I don't think going into for me personally, going into a greater depth 772 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:09,719 makes any difference because people wouldn't understand it. And so that's why I've sort 773 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,920 of did the revised edition of the book just to sort of make it as 774 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,960 a make it flow better, give more explanations book, give the explanations in 775 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,880 a layman's terms so that people can readily understand it and accept it as what 776 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,039 it is. Yes, And I have to thank you also because there's a 777 01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:35,199 large chunk of your work that talks about the infrared light spectrum within my book 778 01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:39,079 that's coming out in February, and I have to thank you so much for 779 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:44,280 allowing me to use your research or material in that which is in that book 780 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,440 there. But we are coming to the end of the show, Paul, 781 01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:51,960 and we've been talking about your book, revised edition of UFO's The Real Story 782 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:59,800 known forward by Malcolm Robinson, Scottish researcher, paranormal investigator, yourthologist, him 783 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,039 so author good Man. So tell maybe listeners out there, Paul, how 784 01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:10,800 can they get hold of you? Well, well, obviously my book's available 785 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:18,320 on Amazon, but the I also have my own Facebook page specifically about UFOs 786 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:24,880 called It's the Real Story. So if anybody puts It's the Real Story on 787 01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:29,920 to Facebook, then that page will come on. So citings that I get 788 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,320 and other things that people have asked me. Everything sort of UFO related goes 789 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:41,079 on there. Wonderful and of course Paul's book is available in as audio, 790 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,880 in paperback, hardcover and kindle. So ladies and gentlemen, you need to 791 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,079 go out and buy Paul's book, UFOs The Real Story. You will not 792 01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:53,760 be disappointed. It's a wonderful book. It really is amazing, and I 793 01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:58,039 have the original copy when it first came out, but you've expanded upon the 794 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,840 analysis and of course you you're experiences within it. So thank you so much, 795 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,079 Paul for coming on board. I've really enjoyed it's been wonderful to have 796 01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:10,719 you here. You're very, very welcome. It's nice to talk to a 797 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,119 kindred villain. Yes, it is always, isn't it, And I always 798 01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:17,559 love that said. You know when you're connected with certain folk, because you 799 01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:21,559 just get on like a house on the fire and on the same level, 800 01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:26,559 and it's really something that is enjoyable. To bash out these ideas, the 801 01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:31,119 phenomena is real, but to keep digging and searching for that truth. Will 802 01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:34,039 we get there? I don't think that we will, because in this system 803 01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:38,519 of reality, I think that we are just on a short journey before we 804 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:42,000 go on to an even bigger one. That's how I see it. But 805 01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:45,000 thank you very much Paul for coming on board. It's been a pleasure having 806 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,239 you. You're welcome anytime at all. PLoP. You've been listening to The 807 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:54,679 Twin the Souls from the Power or UK Radio Network. Your host Philip can 808 01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:58,000 Seller, our esteam guest Paul Our, author of UFO's World Story. Go 809 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,840 out and buy it. You will not be just pointed and please all of 810 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:31,480 you stay safe.