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our next esteem guest is none other than Paul Asco. And I know we've
had Paul on the show before, but Paul has a new book out,
or shall we say, a revised edition of UFO's The Real Story and the
forward of which is by Malcolm Robinson. And this book has got some new
information in So Hello Paul, how are you? And I've just got to
say here as well. I've just got to tell the people out there that
you're not only an amazing author, a UFO investigator, and an all round
nice guy. I just think that you know that you Paul, and people
knew that you're there for the truth and only the truth. So how are
you. I'm very well, Philip, how are you? And thank you
very much for having me on again. You're perfectly welcome. Now your new
book UFO is the Real Story, the revised edition. This is very interesting
because I know there's some more information that's connected with regards to your association with
UFOs, and of course you've been studying this phenomena for a very long time.
Well, I think it might be important Paul, to describe what it
was and how it was that got you involved in the subject master to begin
with. Yeah, well, thank you for that. But what got me
into it to start with was a sighting of two UFOs when I was with
my father and my younger brother. Previously, I had no interest in the
subject and didn't even really know about the subject, and one night we went
into the front garden to say good night to dad, as we always did,
and he just happened to be attending to his roses in the front garden.
So we sat down at this, one brother at either side of him,
and his pointing to the night sky. Now the listeners have to appreciate
that this is a long time ago, nineteen sixty eight, so there wasn't
a light pollution or the amount of anywhere near the amount of air traffic that
there is now. But also we lived in a very rural location. We
lived on the edge of a small village the west South Yorkshire border. And
I said east because our home faced due east. Now, as we're looking
at the sky and my father's pointing out, it was just getting dark.
It was dusk and the first of the bigger constellations were visible. But straight
in front of us was a big bank of cloud that went on to the
north, so you couldn't see much of the night sky. It's all to
the north, but to the south it was completely clear. So the three
of us are actually looking at the sky. Now, my father wasn't an
astronomer or anything like that, but he had an interest and like to involve
his children like the parents do. And there's three of us were sat there
looking at the sky. These two UFOs suddenly came zooming out of this bank
of cloud and then stopped dead. Now there was no deceleration. They were
very fast, and then still immediately that happened, they were just perfectly spherical,
if you can imagine it, like in a V formation, but one
of the real ones missing, so one slightly to one side and slightly behind
the other, and that was one that was nerviss to the clown. And
you could actually they were brilliant, pearly white, just balls of light,
no apparent rotation, no sound, no other lights, nothing apparently joining them
together, and the light from them was actually reflecting off the surface of this
bank of clown. Now, as they stopped, I got a voice quite
clearly in my head. And don't ask me why, but I got it
as a friendly masculine voice. I can only tell you what what happened.
And the voice just said, ooped. We hadn't meant to have been seen.
Now, the size of these two balls of light was maybe one of
the English pence pieces arm's length, or maybe in America a dime. So
they were quite large. I mean, they were relatantly obvious in the sky,
brilliantly brilliant white. There was still for a few seconds, there was
nothing further that heard, and then within a millisecond they were moving. They
stayed the same relative position to each other throughout. They were moving very fast
going away from us, and they stayed the same moved away. But as
they moved it was like there was an atmosphere surrounding them and it was sort
of sloughing off, if you like, to the rear, and there was
this tiny tear drop shape that formed behind them as they moved away. So
they just moved away until they got smaller and smaller and disappeared in the distance.
Nothing further. They didn't deviate, they didn't wabble about. You could
actually see the light from them still reflecting off the surface of this bank of
cloud. There's this sort of undulating bank of cloud. As they got made
further away from it, and that was it. They moved away, and
the three of us were sat there bounds agape, silence. Really yeah,
do you know, I think it's very interesting that upon the observation of these
two spherical UFOs that you had seen, one of the things that stands out
is extremely interesting is that you had some form of tanleopathic exchange farm. We
can only assume one of the pilots from one of these vessels. I mean
that sounds like they, from their distance from their and your advantage point,
there was some kind of interaction. I think that's really interesting. Yeah.
Now, retrospectively, when I look back on my life, and I'm not
saying anything one way or the other, because I'll just say a gentleman called
Bud Hopkins, who was sadly no longer with us, but many within the
field no believes that I was abducted. When I was small. Now,
I had a lot of night terrors, to the point where I didn't even
like going to bed. I didn't want to go to sleep because I knew
that they were going to come and get me again. And there were small
I hesitate to say, gray, dumpy things with big mouths, And I
can remember I always seemed to be in the same place. I mean,
you know when you have a dream, a dream just something you forget.
Oh, yes, but I was always in the same place, and I
was always scared of these getting me. And retrospectively, it's like, I
no, what can I say, as Paul would Paul Sinclair would say,
absolutely no proof whatsoever. Yes, but it's sort of looking back at it
now, you can see that they could be a connection. I've never had
any regressive him the therapy anything like that that I wonder or I have wondered
if that is why I got that connection that my brother and my father didn't.
Yes, And you know, as we know, and especially from another
researcher who has investigated the UFO phenomena, and he in his book the intergenerational
program called Steve Aspin, who's written a book called Out of Time which deals
with the intergenerational program. It doesn't surprise me, Paul, because you know,
in terms of you, and I've always felt when I first met you
many years ago, that you had been kind of like an experience or an
abduct teen. Now I know there is a difference between the two, but
I have always felt that, and you'll find this that you know, the
telepathic exchange actually gave that away because one of these entities, whether that was
a humanoid from that one of the two crafts that you saw or whatever,
it came across as very friendly. So this seems very strange that you'd had
these experiences with these other type of beings. And then of course you may
possibly be a magnet for this phenomena, as though when the singularity touches you
that you are there like a light bulb. So it were. But you
see, it was like from me, that was like my wake up goal.
It was like from that moment on, I wanted to know about them.
And it was like I'm not saying that I physically changed or anything,
but it was like I was suddenly aware that they were there and I wanted
to know. And it wasn't just the physics and then some bolts of how
they could move like that, why don't I know about it? And all
the rest of it, but it was the bigger picture that I wanted to
know. It was like they were just there like this is See. This
is another thing that I say for people that have been asked many times,
how do you know when you see something if it's if it's alien, And
I often say you will know because you get that deep feeling, you get
that connection. Oh yes, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I agree with
you there, Paul, because you know that when you're in the presence of
them, that things change. I mean, you know the fantasies and you
know, dreams and that type of thing. No, when you are in
their presence as you and I and Ronnie and many other people know, it
changes everything. And you'll find that, like yourself and many other good authors
and researchers out there, that it seems to touch you and now and then
it gets to the stage where you can't leave it alone. You've got to
find out what this is. And it's almost like a compulsion or an obsession
within the mind because the system that we serve has, relatingly we all know,
lie to us saying, well, you know UFOs or UAPs and identified
aero phenomena as opposed to an identified flying object. It's strange, isn't it
How they changed the acronym for something that the system doesn't believe, but they
changed it anyway. You know, I think looking at it that way,
the systems lie to us, and we were all thought that we were going
mad or you know, chasing fairies, and actually it's the truth, isn't
it. Paul, Yeah, yeah. And so for me then that was
the impetus to investigate, to research, to read and read and read.
I was already an avid reader. Our parents were big believers in not so
much as a strict education, but we had to read. And my father
and mother especially started as reading books from a very young age, and by
the time I was even nine or ten, I was reading practically anything that
could get my hands on. But the books in the library, as you
well know, back in those days, there wasn't much ender well, there
were nothing on you and there was very little even on the paranormal or science
fiction even, you know, so you remember it was for me. Then
again, my father bought the book which had just come out, Eric von
Dannik and Chariots of the Gods. So my father bought that, but I
read that before he did, but it's getting out. Then. It was
difficult because as a young lad, I mean I was only eleven at the
time. But even then into my teenage years, it was a case of
getting because my father worked told Dame. My mother didn't drive, so it
was using a local transport to get to a city to find a bookstore or
a library that would even stock any books on UFOs because in those days it
was more like mail order, wasn't I remember when I was a kid and
I did a project on the Roswol crash, and I still remember that,
but in fact I have a secondhand copy that I got wold Of and I
used to go to the library on a Saturday and do this on this project.
But there was only a very few UFO books even then titles. I
remembered a paperback that came out and when I was a kid, and it
was the I think it was called the UFO Report by Jay Allen Heinez.
Now I was young and my maternal grandmother was with me. She always used
to buy books for me and Ronnie. And I loved the cover because I
had a flying sauce on the front and it had a blue sky and clouds,
and I wanted it. I didn't understand a word of the scientific jargon
that was inside it, but I just wanted the book and she got here.
So I do agree with you. I mean, now the market is
licid with the information. But your research, I mean your journey, your
personal journey that you were taking now led to some on you events. I
think there to a degree, perhaps even synchronistic events that was leading you even
further into the subject matter of your apology. Now, one question I got
to ask before we move on about your your theories and other ideas surrounding the
phenomenon. When you heard that voice, Paul within your head. And I
know what you mean because I have also on two occasions, but not you
ever related heard very very clear, distinct voices. There were female voices or
that I couldn't get most of the conversations. You know when you're getting it.
But did you have an impression with your mind of kind of like a
look of whoever it was that was relaying this information telepathically? Did you have
some idea of what the being looked like at all? It's an interesting question.
I just wanted to ask. Well, I would have said, you
see now you sort of you think about it again, and I would have
just said small humanoid, But I couldn't really elaborate much more than that.
But that's what you see. The thing is with this, and I think
other contact is yourself included, will say the same. When they're speaking to
you like that. You will get the full meaning and everything. This is
why there's never any language barrier, because it's mind to mind speech that uses
language. Mind to mind. You don't use language. You get the whole
bundle in one go, so you get the intention behind it, you get
the meaning, you get everything. So that is why I thought it was
friendly. It was male and it was a small humanoid. But that's as
far as I'm allowed as I'm going to allow myself to valuate them, and
totally respected. And I think you know, as a human species, we
are dangerous because we don't know what the other person is thinking. And I
agree with you, because everyone's trying to find out about someone else or what
they know, and this is the problem. I think, this is why
I always think that our human genesis is so far removed from other errors of
the paranormal that perhaps are very normal, and we are the paranormal. So
I agree with you there totally, Paul, with regards to the not just
the conveying of what's being said, but also the emotions and feelings and everything
else attached to it, which is hard to describe in words. But you
have done a remarkable work in terms of your research and your understanding of the
phenomenon. And I know that you know this has led you to writing this
amazing book, you know, with regards to UFO's the Real Story, and
I you know, I did read the first version that you had when it
came out, and this new version is an updated version and got more information
in it. But I think it's remarkable how you kind of like have used
the record player hypothesis. And I remembered when my brother and I were kids,
so we had one of those big wooden you know. I remember those
big wooden record players were the Yeah, I loved it. And you could
set the records up and when one finished, I know, you could only
play one side of them as they were sacked, but one would go down
and then and then of course when that finished, another one go down on
top of it. Thirty three and forty five and a half I think,
or forty five or whatever. But tell us about that, because I think
it's interesting with regards to the inter dimensional hypothesis which you have boys possibis,
and I think that's really fascinating. Yeah. Well, when you think,
you see when you think back historically through people that have done a lot of
UFO research, I mean as yourself. The books that I was started to
read, the authors that were writing then were people like Donald Key who yes,
people like Jenny Randall's had just come on the scene, Jack Valley.
I mean, I can remember reading Jacques Bali Passport to mcgoney when it first
came out, and it was like I'd even understand half of it, but
I purposely ready and I've still got a copy now. But yeah, I
think it's retrospectively that you have these experiences and this understanding all helps and going
back to different experiences like I've experienced premonition, multi geist phenomenon, psychic healing.
There's all these things that are just for me. There's no such things
as coincidence. It's like like you sort of lean towards this synchronicity where things
are meant to happen and they push you in a certain direction. And I
think that's true of everybody. You are where you are meant to be right
now, and if the you know, if these things are meant to happen,
the opportunity will present itself when it's right. And that is what I
found was reading books sort of, especially the old books, where people tend
to pick UFO events peat UFO locations, and what they weren't doing was trying
to step back and look at the picture and think, well, if that's
happening, why is it happening and where In the fifties and sixties, and
it was always flame sources from outer space, and it was it was and
now we're sort of cottoning onto this inter dimensional thing. And I think it's
because the reason that I use the analogy of the stack of LPs is quite
simple to get people to what can I say to visualize to make it easy
how these things can work with each other? And we on our normal electromagnetic
spectrum will say it is one of those LPs on the player, and we
only see one tenth of one percent and here that we deal with on a
normal early basis. So even on our electromagnetic spectrum, this is ninety nine
point nine percent of it that we don't know is there, even though it's
there all the time. So you have the long lower frequencies, the longer
waves on the radio, and then come up through the infrared to our visible
light and our acoustic spectrum, and then you go out gaining energy and lower
sorry, shorter waves all the time through the ultraviolet X rays and then gamma
rays at the high end. Now that is our normal electromagnetic spectrum that we
know about now the cosmologist to the latest, and I'm really really pleased.
Actually I've just would you believe I've just been on a cruise, and yes,
we've just been on a cruise on the Queen Mary on Qunard and the
presentations. This ship is enormous. It's it's like the Trafford Center on the
waves. It's incredible size to it. It's got two theaters, one in
front of the other, so you get these people that do these insight lectures
and you can go and listen to people like Olympic runners and pilots and their
customs men and they all tell their stories. But there's also a main theater
where they do put on the shows and everything else. So this part of
the second theater on this ship, it's got what they call the planetarium,
where they use four cameras and the seas that you're in actually reclined and you're
looking almost straight up in this big dome shaped screen. But one of the
things that they did was we're talking about the Earth and the Sun, and
now we're fitting. It was sort of the basic scientific cosmology, if you
like, introducing how you would to the public. But one of the things
it said, too, which I was very pleased about, was that it
said the ordinary matter, which is howur lp only five percent of the universe
that we know of, and that approximately thirty five percent of it is dark
matter, and the vast majority, almost sixty percent, is dark energy.
And we at the moment do not have the scientific capability to look at or
measure, or use or understand dark matter and dark energy. And I think
looking at this stack of records, all it is are the different frequencies that
are above and below our ordinary matter that we deal with on a daily basis.
So it literally is a stack of records, all on different frequencies.
And this is how I've sort of developed an understanding of This is how the
UFOs react, This is how the paranormal works, This is how we sort
of get that small interface with cryptids, dog man, sasquatch, whatever you
want to call. And it's there, all on these different frequencies. And
then to move it on a little further, going back to open pol Sinclaire
as well Benton and Streat the strange area there. But there's also like the
Asca Lasca triangle, the Bermuda triangle, the Welsh triangle. They give them
all these names. I don't believe for one second that the triangular in shape
at all. I think they will change with the magnetic field that surrounds them.
And what that is is where the people have called them portals, and
this is where the records touch, if you like, where the veil between
the dimensions is thinnest. And that's why you get a lot of paranormal poltergeist,
a lot of UFOs, a lot of cryptids, and they're in these
areas simply because it's easier for us to see out of our normal visible spectrum
as its short circuits within this portal area if you like, yes, yes,
and I agree, and you know I understand that, and also I
get it that it's possible, and I have also written, not your theory,
but that we as energy, as a human in a biological form with
consciousness, such as energy can occasionally activate these certain areas. And this is
why only certain individuals that perhaps why differently are allowing or able to see these
beings that come from these alternative dimensions of reality. So I think it's a
two way process. I think we can activate it to a degree, and
they also can activate it from their end, and I think that's very important.
I think that's incredible, Paul, Yeah, this, you see,
that's why mediumship works. Yes, why really? And why I wrote a
book because it's like people are only getting a piece of the pie instead of
looking at all of it. But also, if you can go back to
UFOs and we'll use et as to cover all phrase. They literally could be
thousands of years in front of us, could be more than that, could
be tens of thousands of years in front of us. So where we are
on the basics of understanding our record and our electromagnetic spectrum of ordinary matter,
they understand all of it, all the dark all our ordinary matter plus the
dark matter and the dark energy, and they can use it. They completely
understand. They use it and everything. And that is why we only see
and hear and why we experience what we do. And that is why UFOs
use If you like these portals area, that's why they're seen in these areas
because they to them, it's just a shortcut from A to B. It
just makes life simpler for them. Ask the teacher about the universe has given
an example here. We've all been down that road before, because you know,
like you, I was a very curious fellow. I wasn't I wanted
to know how things worked and will I said, well, where is the
end of the universe? And the teacher couldn't answer that question, and I
used to imagine myself, Well, if I dropped from the Earth at the
bottom and I kept going down, where would I go? I mean,
where would I reach what I'd come back on top of the Earth again at
some point or you know. And I think when we look at space,
I mean talking about dark matter, dark energy, fascinating subjects, and you
know, I think that's really quite scary in a good way to think that,
you know, we are so oppressive as a species. Not everyone,
but a lot of them that know there can't be any form of intelligence out
there. And I'm left sketching my head Paul, thinking you've got to be
joking me, right, because there is a seemingly eternal connection out there.
People say, I don't believe in life after death. I don't believe an
eternity will just look up in space and are snap an ultimate question of where
is the end or the border of the universe, because we as humans only
know borders and endings, And of course there's a paradox to be sure that
will certainly, I think overright, there's a sense of reality straight away from
anyone that's not quite understanding of it. But I love the analogy and I
think that, you know, the example that you gave of these records is
like levels lower and higher levels. And certainly, I think, and I
agree with you, I think et are well ahead because they know more about
us. So I think we know about ourselves, especially our workings of the
human mind. Yeah, so that I think is absolutely amazing. With regards
to your research, I mean, you know, in terms there will be
lower energies. Of course, we have them here on Earth. You know,
the good, the bads, and the ugly. You know they are
out there. They I'm sure they will be out there. And also when
I saw Star Wars for the first time as a kid, I mean,
you know, I did wonder, Wow, you know, there's a battle
going on somewhere across another part of the universe, and look how they are
and look how they live, and I'm thinking, well, I want to
be part of that. See. But again, this it's there. I
mean nothing against George Lucas, absolutely fantastic and all the rest of them.
And it does make you think outside the box. However, as in a
lot of people you're trying to think when they're on about UFOs and this had
been possible, and that would be impossible it's they're talking out of the backside
for me if you'l execute me. But at the end of the day,
that's using our physics, yes, and because we don't understand the dark energy
and the dark matter and all these different what if you want to call them,
different dimensions, different vibrations. One of the things that I experienced was
again going to see an amazing, amazing medium and what she called the spaceman
came through to talk to me, and one of the things he said was
having to lower his vibe. Was difficult to lower his vibration so that it
could contact and come through on our level. And that's one of the things
that also. But it's like, as I've gone on with this, and
I'm not saying I'm the greatest researcher or anything else, but the more I've
gone into it and the more I've heard people's examples of their experiences, then
it's sort of giving corroborative evidence all the time that I'm not saying I'm right,
but I'm thinking along the right lines. Oh you are, and you
are a brilliant researcher anyway, So don't put yourself down for we know that
you're a great speaker, and you've got some incredible ideas, and all ideas,
all theoretical content, must be honored because nothing can be proven until,
of course, our limited version of science in a human way can answer those
questions. Now, it's interesting you mentioned about lowering the vibrational frequencies. I
also have this idea that and it's just simply an idea that when a UFO
comes into our reality, rather like waher, that then becomes solidified when it's
frozen and it becomes ice. Where perhaps these intelligencers use the mind to create,
but they also have to as they come into our physical reality, mold
themselves as a construct of our reality in order to come in and go out.
I mean, you know, I understand about the windows opening, the
portals opening for their ships and their crafts to come through. But in some
cases, especially where crashed saucer so called technology is being discovered, some of
it appears to be quite mundane. So I'm wondering whether or not these beings
actually mold themselves into our reality. In order like us to get into a
deep deep sea diving suit in order to survive under the depths of the ocean,
we have to have some construct in order to equipt ourselves on that level.
But yeah, I tell us more about this instermental hypothesis. I love
it right. Well, then if you right it, don't make it so
difficult, Philip. It if you think about it on avery, like we
all know, everything is energy. Everything is energy. You and I,
the computers reside in front of the rooms that we're in, our bodies themselves
all interact, so et that could be fifty thousand years in front of us.
Completely understand that. And we have different energies. We have good energy,
we have bad energy, we have good everybody has good days and bad
days. However, your frequency is like your fingerprint. It's like unique is
unique to you. So for somebody who's that far in front, that makes
it simple for them to come in and identify to somebody. That's why we
get abductees that are sort of that abductation. After I've done, and I've
done, and another one. You know, we'll just use Calvin Parker as
a as a as an example where fantastic book by Philip and Dr Irena Scott
Beyond Casco. You know, again, in a court of law, it's
unquestionable. So much evidence has come out now so many witnesses as well as
their first hand experiences. But Calvin only naturally remembered that one incident when in
actual fact, when he'd gone back with kath Marvin, he'd actually been abducted
on four occasions. So there's things like that where they can put screen memories
in. They can make you not remember anything at all. And I think
because they understand how our mind works. I mean we can even we can
even now we know that they can measure ECGs for the heart, electro and
ketlograms, they can do electro and ketlograms for the head, EEGs electrocardiogram,
electric and kelegram, so they know that there are different patterns. There are
no different energies there. However, we don't have the technology to be able
to tweak that to cure it, because if there's something wrong with it,
we can just say, oh yeah, that should be like that. We
know there's something wrong with it. However, if you completely understand it,
and I'm going off at a tangentea, but I'll use I'm going to use
Jesus as an example now, as I've done in my revised book, I
think it would be appalled that they've made a religion out of it. He
was there as the pure being, as this is what we can all achieve,
This is what we can all have the potential to become, absolutely all
effort. And that's why you said there is no way to go but through
me, because you have to be as pure as he would. You have
to lift your vibration and raise your thoughts and your ethics and your morals,
and think how he did, not that it's a religion at all. Religion
has got absolutely nothing to do with it. It's man made. But that
was part of him, was given an example of how we should be as
a perfect human being. Yes, and I think we can see that there's
been some kind of mental and spiritual substucation, if I use the word lightly
spiritual, the essence, the very being of what we represent on a universal
level of conscious awareness. I think the system that we serve knows this,
those in the elite, and have tried all they can to douse that spark
of awareness within us so that we remain in their control, or caught within
their matrix, as it were. I absolutely understand it, and I like
the way that you've described that with regards to the energy field, which is
energy, which is information, which is you ostensibly and how we vibrate all
of us on different levels. And this is why some people are more drawn
to the phenomena than others, because others may be shut down or the phenomena
is not tweaked to their level of you know, connectivity as it were.
This is fascinating, isn't it. Yeah? And this is why again,
as I said before, don't make it so difficult, because as we've said,
with abductees, everything's done through thought. Yes, now we know we
have closed minds, and that is the problem, and the e t have
that they have open minds, the thoughts around there, and because they understand
it and control it, and because everything's open and they understand the frequencies around
them, that is why we they manipulate, if you like one of the
things that Bud Hopkins, the laws can and Cat Marden more recently, and
they're all saying that everything is controlled by thoughts, even going to the Rendelsian
Forest when it allegedly put is I'm saying, allegedly, I hate that word.
Put his hand on the craft and I like you like et if you
like was part of the vehicle, and that's exactly what it is because they
control the whole thing, because they understand the magnetic field of where they are
and what surrounds them. That is why they can use their mind to control
the physical side of it that makes them move y. Yeah, and that
is why it's not so difficult. That's why they can go through space,
they can go through our atmosphere, they can go through our lakes and oceans
because it doesn't ma any difference. They completely in their own little bubble.
They completely and their whole little bubble of universe. So these when people say,
you know, these G forces would have killed somebody or whatever, it's
completely relevant because they're not feeling any G forces. Like they were moving.
They were doing ten thousand miles an hour. They're not all the big deal
was ten thousand mile an hour. Was just moving from A to B and
thought is instant. It's that quick. And that is why often we see
I believe we see flashes of light in the sky and I cover this in
the book. We were with Benton Repauls in Clairan and there were maybe ten
or twelve of us there and Chris Evers was interviewing him for the Outer Limits
magazine and While he was doing that, the rest of us were looking at
the night sky like you do on the cliff top looking And there were several
times I felt sorry for Chris because several times within the question and answer thing,
there were a flash in the sky. Now, if one person seeing
it, okay, then you can question it. But when these four or
five six people of you all stood there and you all see it, then
that's when I think UFOs or these craft whatever you want to call them,
I say UFO. But they don't fly, but anyway, that's another story.
But that's just when they're passing through our visible spectrum. So you just
see that flash as they move from one frequency to another and as it's visible
as it moves through that bit that we can see. That is why you
get the flash of light. And do you know, I'll tell you something
very interesting because the last main UFO events that happened to me in my twin
brother on the ninth of April twenty sixteen, eleven fifteen payment night Chine a
formation of white, massive white lights that descend to where we live. It's
a long story, not gonna mention it all here. It's been documented anyway,
when they moved off. When that you could measure the space between the
three of them and it was like they were on glass. It was like,
and I agree with you, like maybe they weren't moving at all,
that it looked like that they were on glass, moving just like like you
know when you get one of those slides onto you know, behind a bit
of glass, new movie. That's what it was like. So I understand
from your analogy and your description of this there's no movement at all because they
perhaps aren't moving, but we and our perception of reality are thinking they're moving.
They're just moving out of our space and our time. And that was
another thing that I found really amazing and was able a fascinating able to both
my brother and I were able to understand that there was no sound, as
though that everything was muffled like it just snowed. So it's it's important to
know to the listeners out there. But when UFOs UAPs come into our airspace,
it changes like a bubble this area that you're in an air in.
It's like, oh, this is this is the way it is. So
absolutely totally agree with you, Pauled on that part. Yeah, definitely,
Yeah, And that's what I mean going on from that, That is why
you can often get people with all sorts of normally not just UFOs, but
with cryptid and put upon a normal experiences that people have where suddenly they say
everything went quiet. They can't hear anything. There's not even any wind or
birds in the trees or background traffic is nothing. And that's because you've entered
that bubble. You are suddenly out of your normal acoustic spectrum. So that's
why you hear anything. Because there was no one walking their dog, There
was no cars coming down the road. This was a Saturday night. I
know it was eleven to fifteen pm night, but there was no one anyway,
because I was ready to grab someone and say look at that, because
they were so low and big, and there was just me and my brother
been c by niece in a neighboring village who pull their car over to fill
them as they're on our way to us, and they weren't there when we've
arrived from this meal a birthday a birthday meal. Sorry, but that's that's
that's all happened now. But I agree with you on that that that conclusion
and the evidence that these intelligences are and we all agree. I think you
pull myself and money and many others. There is this inter dimensional connection.
And I think that is because for so long we were looking out thinking,
oh, it's in space or it's out of space. But now it's interesting.
I know it's scientists will pooh pooh that because they don't have the dynamics
to understand how dimensions work. Yeah. Now the other thing as well,
if you think you can, you're somebody who can control the whole of the
electro including dark energy and dar matter. You can then control how people react
because you can see physically their electric field, so you know what they're seeing,
you know what they're feeling. That's why they can put these screen memories.
They can substitute familiar things to make you feel more comfortable. They can
make you forget all together. They can How many times have we heard sort
of people that have witnessed things and said I couldn't watch it. I felt
scared. I had to close the curtains, or I had to close the
door and come in. Yes, and we get that a lot, and
it's those are sort of I won't say coercive reactions, but they are.
They can influence things. When I got that I've taken an eighteen second video
of something that came out of a cloud and straight away, and I got
the feeling it was odd. I stopped what I was doing. I was
walking middle of the night back to my headquarters. I was on nice shift,
me and another guy, Liam bless him. I took my phone out
of my pocket and videoed it for eighteen seconds. After eighteen seconds, I
stopped videoing simply to get a better look with my eyes so that I could
look at it rather than looking at it on the screen of the phone.
And I turned the phone off, looked up at it, and it just
sort of it was almost like it said, there you go, thank you
very much, and he just moved sideways back into the cloud and we never
saw it again. And it was and it was like, eh, it
was sort of it was it was all. It was obvious almost that it
was like, Okay, I'm gonna let your video this and then I'm going
to disappear. And that's exactly what it looked like. That's how it came
over. And there was another occasion that I referred to in my book for
the first time that my wife saw U phone and it was like a like
a glitter bol typical strictly come dancing glitter bol. Now there were five adults
and two children and we all saw it. We had five mobile phones,
five cell phones with us, two iPads, and we also adding inside for
five minutes at least, and yet if we watched it appear move closer to
us than change direction and ninety degrees and move away from us, and then
it was like hmmm, and none of us for one second thought about getting
a phone or an iPad and video in anything. And it was like,
how can they do that if they don't have that technology. And it's not
technology as such, it's having that understanding to project and say yes you can
see me, but I'm not allowing allowing you to video it. You know,
you don't You don't think about it until afterwards. Yes, Well,
on the night of the night of April twenty sixteen, when we were observing
these three massive objects white objects that had descended, they were huge and they
did their maneuver. My man bag with my mobile phone was ringing and I
found out later well, when I walked through the door, it's my niece
asking me if she was saying to film your phots are on their way.
She said, have you seen them? I said, yes, they've been
right here. I said to are you phoning about your post? Now,
I could have taken my phone out of my bag and you know, not
taking the call, but filmed them. But I thought, no, I'm
not interested in that because people want proof. They want proof, they want
proof. Whatever proof you bring to the table, it won't be enough.
Even if you had a piece of the roswell material and your hand and I
said, I've got a piece of it here, They're not going to believe
you. And I think my brother said, what is proof at the end
of the day, I think it's your own conviction, within your own reality
of how you view and experience this phenomenon. And I like the way also
that when you said, Paul, that you know that these intelligences seem to
home in on certain individuals who are perhaps vibrating on very different energy systems than
you know someone else. And I think it's interesting because to some level we're
asking the question, well, okay, we understand or we're getting more to
the realization that we are not alone in this infinite universe, and it may
not be our universe obviously is interdimensionally but what are they wanting from us?
What are they looking for? But I also feel that to some degree when
you, I and many others have been touched by this singularity that you are,
this is the amazing thing. You are transformed, you are changed,
And I think that's a good thing, isn't it. Paul? Oh,
Yeah, that was something that it was like a sweech went off in my
brain that said that just accepted it and said I've known about this all the
time type of thing, and it was like, yeah, I know they're
real. Why why just why is it just suddenly come to the forecause I've
seen something. Yes, going back to the photographic evidence or video evidence.
Yes, one of the things that I touch on is because they're often moving
through our visible spectrum. This is why, I mean, if you think
about it, but I'll just finish, this is why we do not get
good photographs and videos of them, and we don't get them because they're not
all there physically within that visible spectrum that we can record, or the infrared
on the gun cameras that we can recordse No, that's interesting. Yeah,
if you think about it. On the we'll just use the I mean,
it's over two years ago. Now, but when they released the tic TAC,
the Go Fast and Gimbal three, now that was just three videos.
They said they'd actually got eighty eight zero that were recorded, well, not
recorded, but seen on three different mediums. So you've got the proper observers
if you like, as pilots, you'd got the infrared from the gun cameras,
and then you've got radar recordings on the carrier fleet underneath. But they've
got eighty such things as that, so there were seventy seven that they weren't
showing as then. But there is no sort of going on about this is
even if you think then looking at Go Fast, Gimbal and tic Tac,
they're not very clear. No, that's right. And yes, yeah,
now you can see there's something there. They physically could see there was something
there and they could record something, but it's not clear on any of them.
And it's not clear because they'd not completely within our spectrum. That's right.
They move because their projection if you like that, they move through their
thought process, their frequency, their vibration, their dimension that they work on
isn't completely within our bit as we are. So that's why we'll never get
or way it'll be incredibly lucky to get clear picture and clear video evidence because
it's not possible because we not be able to record on a beginning of spectrum.
Yes, it's one of like wearing dissorted sunglasses through our vision. We
can't see it clearly and we don't have the capacity because we're on separate energy
levels or vibrational levels. Certainly, with regards to the film footage on her
phone that my knee stock, I mean they are unknown, they're three objects,
but they are kind of like distorted slightly, And this is the same
with every single UFO image that we have. You can always tell, Paul,
I think the original versions with the real ones compared to the none sorry,
compared to the models that you know sometimes get these strums on YouTube,
Like, I'm perfectly clear ifos you're thinking, you know, because most of
them have a kind of like an aura energy around them, as though it's
distorting the space that it's occupying. So well, wow, that's amazing you
saying that all absolutely incredible. Yes, So with regards to to your research,
I mean, you know, with regards to your book, incredible work
in UFO's Real story, I think it's it's you know, people need to
understand that you are, you know, as many others are, which is
good to know, genuine, honest and out for the truth. But ultimately,
Paul, I just need to ask you know, I'm glad that you
and I and many others believe that there is more to our human existence than
a biological functioning mechanism with a cell mind date, there is more tois mortis
and and I think also with consciousness, the extension or the journey beyond this
physical matrix. But what's your idea? Why? I mean I always joke
and say when I get on the other side, I'm going to get a
refund and ask them what on earth was that all about? Because I yeah,
well you won't get a reef and you'll get to the other side and
say, well did I learn something? Or because this this is it.
You've got to think of the religious conditioning that the world has had in general,
and it made a big thing of death and that's it, and whatever
death doesn't actually exist. It's only the body that you're in that has to
stay on this vibration. Your soul will move on and it's just like it's
like trading an old car in for the new car exactly that could you make
sure that I get a roller next time and not a not a Morris minor,
please, Paul, I do know that with your work, your amazing
work. I love the way that you encompass the spiritual aspect as well,
because this gives us as a species hope and a system that has deliberately given
us just kind of like half truths or kind of like well it's there,
but we're not really going to tell you the rest of it. And I
think it's wonderful that advocates and researchers like your self authors are coming forward to
tell people, look, hang on just a minute. You know, the
system is telling us one thing and it's never changing. This is what's really
going on. So I think your work and your information, your research,
and also your talks that you do are really incredible. And so but where
do you see, if I may ask here Paul and out of the box
here, where do you see as a species going I mean, you know,
from my viewpoint, I hope that things change, but and thankfully things
are with the way that people are changing with regards to their thoughts about these
other areas of interest. Yourupology cryptozoology, paranormal activity. But where do you
think this is, this pieces has taken. I do think we will get
to that point of evolution where we will wake up and you know, be
good, you know, yeah, And that is what I'm hoping is happening
right now, Philip. You see, the thing is we've been conditioned all
the time with our society as it is. Everything's materialistic, and we've been
steered away from the spiritual side of things. And I can only say from
personal experience, but looking at what research I've done and what I've found and
what I personally have experienced, this has got to be the way forward.
You have got to lift your vibration, your way of thinking, and ignore
what other people think. You've got to do it yourself. And this is
the problem that the modern society we've grown up in has conditioned, conditioned us
all out of that. Now, if you think now things are starting to
be exposed how everything was misconstrued. But there's more and more things where things
are coming to a head. And I think it is happening where the lies
and the corruption are slowly being exposed, and it's people's getting people's acceptance of
that because again it's difficult when you've been told all your life that black's black
and then suddenly you realize it's not black at all. They're a whole myriad
of colors in there. And you've been led, You've been misled all your
life. It's difficult for people to say to accept it and move forward.
And that is the what I think we're going through now is people that were
now waking up to the corrupt governments and the government, the corrupt systems that
are in place, and the spiritual side of things definitely are coming more to
the fore. Yes, and I agree with you. I mean you look,
I mean, just don't take my word for it, but if you
get the chance, look at memberships of Spiritualist church and now they're starting to
grow recently, and I think people there are people are getting fed up of
the what can I say, the government's put downs, the government's control,
the government's taxation on everything and everything, and it's people are becoming wise to
it. And I think people are slowly waking up. But again you have
to do that shift yourself and move through acceptance. And then once you've accepted
that, you've been like to, oh, it's right. What can I
do about it. It's not necessarily is is going to rock the boat,
but it's going to help me to step aside and live a proper life instead
of something that's subjugated. Yes, and attitudes have changed. I mean since
the eighties when I was a young lad. I mean I have seen an
absolute total transformation, and certainly past that area that we're not really able to
talk about. That's another process of indoctrination where we're not allowed to mention a
certain word because it will upset the establishment. It's funny, then, isn't
it. But I will say that people are now beginning to wake up and
I think they've had enough. They're tired of the old system that will not
change. Then it's total subjugation. I agree with you. Yeah, And
it's a slow change and a slow acceptance and a slow move, but it's
a move in the right direction. And I think that's where we are now.
You see. The thing is one of the things I say say in
my book is we're never going to be accepted by Dare I say an intergalactic
community as new kids on the block when we're still as basic as we are.
This warmongering and the profiteering that people make from making laws has got to
stop. It's like, why are they sending all this I mean NATO and
the US. It's just ridiculous. Why why are they putting all this money
and effort into peacekeeping talks? Why are they putting it all into weapons?
They completely go the wrong way around. Oh, absolutely, and I am
totally behind you along with many other people on that. You see, we
can see that what's happening, the propaganda and the levels of total subjugation that
the system is imposing upon the citizens. And it's not just the UFO UAP
phenomena, which God forbid you know, you know, has not been a
fallacy which the system has trying to make us believe, and it will not
go away. It's almost as if they're saying, hang on, just a
minute, you need to grow up, and we're going to continue to show
our souls until you do wake up. I have never understood, Paul,
in my head, what is such a big deal about the fact of acknowledging,
yes, there are ets out there and there is such thing as life
after death, of continuation of the soul. I've never understood within my mind
how it is that people are so negative towards that understanding, and yet we
have very little in the way of understanding of the universe that we encompass in
this tiny little planet, in this vast, almost endless cosmos. So I
agree with you in terms of the way you're seeing it. And I just
have to say to you that your book, your work is absolutely amazing.
I think you're a wonderful guy, very honest, very open, at someone
that you can talk to forever about anything, not just about UFOs. But
I think your contribution to towards the subject is very valued. So I've got
to say here, Paul, do you have and I know I've asked this
before, Okay, And you did say what you were going to do when
you said I'm going to re introduce my book, revise it, and you
have done just that. But do you think or feel that you've got any
more that you want to bring forward? Because I think that I know you're
passionate with your drive towards you know, exposing corruption within the world and mental
subjugation. I mean, is there another book in there that you want to
bring out? Paul? Well, now, this it is something I've considered,
and the thing is to move forward in that especially a lot Like you
said, now, we're exposing corruption and the at the end of the day,
it comes down to people read and making money. But that's the bottom
line. However, the I don't think that I know enough about there and
what goes on. Now. I'm very fortunate that I'm friends with lots of
free journalists, so I do find out a lot of things that obviously won't
be on the mainstream media. However, the going back to eupology and the
paranormal, I think there's some wonderful people such as yourself out there that do
some great work, Philip and Irena with their latest book. But again it's
looking at the bigger picture. We need to look at the bigger picture.
And for me, I don't think me expanding on this anymore is going to
help. I don't mind talking about I mean, I can talk about this
till the cows come home, as you know. But there's all these these
things. I don't have a scientific enough mind to be able to go in
to the depth of quantum theory and these other things. But in some ways
I'm glad that haven't been able to because I think that would have held me
back. Because you do get this old dogged, sort of authoritarian of the
old sciences and it's like, no, you can't, that don't work.
That card. Well, I'm afraid that is what is working, and it's
you that's wrong because I'm not scientific enough. My brain isn't that good.
I think in some ways it's been a benefit because it's allowed me to step
back and say in simple terms, and that's why I wrote the book for
me in Layman's language, for anybody, but because there's nothing worse than picking
a book up and then not being able to understand it or thinking, oh,
I'll have to go back and read that again. Oh no, I've
been there a few times. Trust me absolutely, and I agree with you.
I think I think you the information that you have and translating it the
way that you understand it's what's important. And as you said yourself, the
usl UAP phenomena is an impossible science and our science can't answer that question.
So I totally agree with you, and don't put yourself down by the way
you're brilliant, But in terms of your understanding, I think that when you're
saying that you go into this information within take an example, quantum mechanics,
quantum physics, whatever, and then you get stuck. It's because we can't
answer that question within our simplified version of how we see reality. So I
think I'm totally on the same page and in the same book as you are
there or don't worry about it. So it's just it's that side of things
where it's being able to understand the bigger picture. And I think that's why
I have a rudimentary grasp up and that's what I'm able to put over.
And I don't think going into for me personally, going into a greater depth
makes any difference because people wouldn't understand it. And so that's why I've sort
of did the revised edition of the book just to sort of make it as
a make it flow better, give more explanations book, give the explanations in
a layman's terms so that people can readily understand it and accept it as what
it is. Yes, And I have to thank you also because there's a
large chunk of your work that talks about the infrared light spectrum within my book
that's coming out in February, and I have to thank you so much for
allowing me to use your research or material in that which is in that book
there. But we are coming to the end of the show, Paul,
and we've been talking about your book, revised edition of UFO's The Real Story
known forward by Malcolm Robinson, Scottish researcher, paranormal investigator, yourthologist, him
so author good Man. So tell maybe listeners out there, Paul, how
can they get hold of you? Well, well, obviously my book's available
on Amazon, but the I also have my own Facebook page specifically about UFOs
called It's the Real Story. So if anybody puts It's the Real Story on
to Facebook, then that page will come on. So citings that I get
and other things that people have asked me. Everything sort of UFO related goes
on there. Wonderful and of course Paul's book is available in as audio,
in paperback, hardcover and kindle. So ladies and gentlemen, you need to
go out and buy Paul's book, UFOs The Real Story. You will not
be disappointed. It's a wonderful book. It really is amazing, and I
have the original copy when it first came out, but you've expanded upon the
analysis and of course you you're experiences within it. So thank you so much,
Paul for coming on board. I've really enjoyed it's been wonderful to have
you here. You're very, very welcome. It's nice to talk to a
kindred villain. Yes, it is always, isn't it, And I always
love that said. You know when you're connected with certain folk, because you
just get on like a house on the fire and on the same level,
and it's really something that is enjoyable. To bash out these ideas, the
phenomena is real, but to keep digging and searching for that truth. Will
we get there? I don't think that we will, because in this system
of reality, I think that we are just on a short journey before we
go on to an even bigger one. That's how I see it. But
thank you very much Paul for coming on board. It's been a pleasure having
you. You're welcome anytime at all. PLoP. You've been listening to The
Twin the Souls from the Power or UK Radio Network. Your host Philip can
Seller, our esteam guest Paul Our, author of UFO's World Story. Go
out and buy it. You will not be just pointed and please all of
you stay safe.